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"Our power is controlled from Washington, and we were only allowed to squeak"

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"Our power is controlled from Washington, and we were only allowed to squeak"As reported by Reuters, Australia, which will soon become chairman of the UN Security Council, does not exclude that outside intervention in the Syrian conflict is possible even without UN sanction.


Thus, the situation has escalated to the limit, and there is good reason to assume that Syria is now literally one step away from a foreign invasion. Leonid Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, comments on KM.RU for the geopolitical background of recent events in the Middle East.

The surrender of Libya was to some extent analogous to the Munich Agreement.

In essence, the United States of America decided to continue the construction of a unipolar world under the aegis of Washington. They use subversive actions, their special services, hire militants from various countries. Everything is done to ensure that the arc of instability encompasses all of Eurasia, starting with Tunisia, through Egypt to Afghanistan, Pakistan, and so on. Syria and Iran are an outpost in the path of this burning strip. Therefore, it is "necessary" to destroy Syria, to set it on fire; then it will be Iran’s turn, and all this will unequivocally blaspheme Russia to the worst consequences. If we talk about the position of Australia, then we see that in Washington will say half a phrase, and in London, Paris, Tel Aviv begin to develop it. Australia is, in essence, a British patronage, and it’s understandable: what London ordered, they do.

There is nothing surprising here, but I believe that today fascism is moving again on the planet. The surrender of Libya to some extent was an analogue of the Munich 1938 conspiracy of the year. They surrendered Libya, and before that - Yugoslavia and Iraq, and then this fascism moved across Europe and the entire planet. Today the situation is very difficult, and it is fraught with a third world war. It is no coincidence that I compare it with “Munich”, because “Munich” led to World War II. Today, the surrender of Syria may well lead to a third world war, with more severe consequences than in World War II.

We have the potential to stop this rabies, but this is not done

Hitler could have been stopped at the end of the 30s, if the same London and Paris had not agreed to the seizure of the Czech Republic. If he had been stopped, in Germany the overthrow of Hitler was planned. If this adventure had not happened, or if the Czechs stopped the Nazis on passes, then there would have been no World War II. Today is the same. There are options, and it surprises me why Russia does not require the urgent convening of the UN Security Council. Her right as a permanent member to make such a convocation. China will definitely support us, and a number of other non-NATO countries would support us. NATO is preparing aggression, and why we do not demand a discussion of this issue in the Russia-NATO Council? What then to discuss in this Council, if not such problematic issues, international security issues? The heads of the BRICS made a statement on Syria. But they do not pay attention to the statement of these five largest states of the world, and in terms of numbers it is almost three billion!

Why do we not even today gather foreign ministers to protect what the heads of state signed? .. There is much incomprehensible here: there is a potential to stop this rabies today, and we need to stop it, but this is not done and it is difficult to understand. The only assumption: our government is controlled from Washington, and in this situation we were allowed only to squeak in the form of protests, appeals and so on. That's all!
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  1. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 07: 44 New
    +4
    Often, the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Leonid Ivashov, began to make mistakes in his predictions. With all due respect to the title. hi
    1. Refund_SSSR
      Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 07: 46 New
      24
      There are options, and it surprises me why Russia does not require an urgent convocation of the UN Security Council.
      29 August. "An urgent meeting of the UN Security Council on Syria has been convened."
      Well and so on in the text ...
      If comrade Ivashov does not know something, then this does not know that this is not.
      Including "Vladimir Putin supported the initiative of the Federation Council and the State Duma to send a delegation to the US Congress."
      And as "The Russian Defense Ministry is increasing the number of intelligence forces off the coast of Syria".
      Another title "Kerry: Moscow did not believe the evidence of a chemical attack provided by the United States"
      And more "The Russian Foreign Ministry: an attack on Syria, bypassing UN sanctions, would be an act of aggression"
      Yet again "Putin turned to Obama as a Nobel Peace Prize laureate - to think about possible victims in Syria"
      Continue "Russian Foreign Ministry: US threat to use force in Syria is unacceptable"
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 08: 05 New
        +9
        As a result, what other decisive actions awaits Comrade Ivashov?
        Preventive nuclear strike?
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 3 September 2013 08: 58 New
          +5
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          Preventive nuclear strike?

          laughing But I recently proposed to launch a nuclear strike against the United States before it’s too late.
          1. Hort
            Hort 3 September 2013 14: 08 New
            0
            yes, if only this blow would have remained unanswered ... then you would have healed!
        2. Krsk
          Krsk 3 September 2013 09: 23 New
          +3
          I would also like to have clearer definitions of words: there is the potential to stop this rabies today, and we need to stop it, but this is not being done, and it is difficult to understand. I.e... ??? Something is not right or the journalists were sealed up)))
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 3 September 2013 11: 28 New
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          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          As a result, what other decisive actions awaits Comrade Ivashov?

          For example, to refuse the transit of NATO cargo through the territory of the Russian Federation.
          Refuse to store part of the reserve fund in the Dollarch.
          Refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars.
          Refuse to export American pork and chicken.
          If you do not see any measures between babbling and a nuclear strike - this only speaks of the narrowness of your view.
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 3 September 2013 12: 00 New
            +3
            Quote: S_mirnov
            For example, to refuse the transit of NATO cargo through the territory of the Russian Federation.

            For all time, NATO has never used the transit of drugs through the territory of Russia. This is probably due to the fact that they were allowed to transit only on the condition that ours can inspect the cargo at any time.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Refuse to store part of the reserve fund in the Dollarch.

            So already refused: the fund of the national. wealth is removed from the American pyramid and invested in infrastructure projects in Russia: expansion and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and Trans-Siberian Railway, construction of the Moscow-Kazan and TsKAD high-speed railways.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars.

            And this is already being done. Russia begins to trade with many countries in national currency. Gradually you have to do everything. The sharp collapse of the American pyramid is also not beneficial to anyone.
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Refuse to export American pork and chicken.

            And this is not so much imported, if at all.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 3 September 2013 12: 31 New
              +5
              Quote: Nitup
              So already refused: the fund of the national. wealth is removed from the American pyramid and invested in infrastructure projects in Russia: expansion and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and Trans-Siberian Railway, construction of the Moscow-Kazan and TsKAD high-speed railways.

              Oh, fresh tradition, but hard to believe.
              Quote: Nitup
              Refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars.

              And this is already being done. Russia begins to trade with many countries in national currency.

              Want to say that to someone we sell resources not for dollars? It is very interesting to whom, where to read about it?
              Quote: Nitup
              And this is not so much imported, if at all.

              imported and still imported. Remember how the United States became enraged when, in response to the Magnitsky list, Onishchenko hinted at stopping the import of pork from the United States. True, he quickly covered his mouth until the firewood broke, but it's a pity.
              1. Nitup
                Nitup 3 September 2013 12: 42 New
                -6
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Oh, fresh tradition, but hard to believe.

                Yes, you believe me, but rather check
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Want to say that to someone we sell resources not for dollars? It is very interesting to whom, where to read about it?

                You can read on the Internet.
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 3 September 2013 14: 50 New
                +4
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Otite say that to someone we are selling resources not for dollars? It is very interesting to whom, where to read about it?

                At least the PRC and Russia "stuttered" about paying for goods and services in national currencies ...
                But it seems "things are still there" request
            2. slava7075
              slava7075 3 September 2013 13: 03 New
              +2
              And with regards to our money abroad. What is Rosneft paying for TNK? These very American pieces of paper (which go both in payment and in securing a loan from Western bankers). Which they would not like to accept but cannot accept.
            3. Onotollah
              Onotollah 3 September 2013 13: 09 New
              +6
              Quote: Nitup
              So already refused: the fund of the national. wealth is removed from the American pyramid and invested in infrastructure projects in Russia: expansion and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and Trans-Siberian Railway, construction of the Moscow-Kazan and TsKAD high-speed railways.

              Share the source, I want to learn more about this good news.
              1. ksan
                ksan 3 September 2013 13: 21 New
                +3
                Onotolle SU Today, 13:09 ↑ New

                Quote: Nitup
                So already refused: the fund of the national. wealth is removed from the American pyramid and invested in infrastructure projects in Russia: expansion and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and Trans-Siberian Railway, construction of the Moscow-Kazan and TsKAD high-speed railways.

                Share the source, I want to learn more about this good news.
                This is a link at your request: http: //www.webground.su/topic/2013/06/21/t352, unless of course you are not a fool hi
                1. Onotollah
                  Onotollah 3 September 2013 16: 02 New
                  0
                  Quote: ksan
                  don't fool around

                  I think it's really good news ..
                  ZY: There it was still good, I don’t know if it will work out or not:
                  "limiting the growth of tariffs of infrastructure monopolies"
                2. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 3 September 2013 18: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: ksan
                  This is the link for your request:

                  "Russian President Vladimir Putin has found more than $ 40 billion to revive a stagnant economy: he allowed to spend half of the pension stabilization fund on infrastructure projects in order to slow down tariffs and maintain damped investments."

                  Well, he promised wink we already passed it.

                  "" But restraining the growth of tariffs should not lead to negative effects, to reduce investment in infrastructure ... Therefore, we made another important decision - to invest 450 billion rubles in recouped infrastructure projects, on a return basis. In general, up to half of the National Welfare Fund funds will be invested in projects in our country ","

                  I really liked about containing tariff growth. Those. It’s now they are growing restraintly, and if they hadn’t held back ... In general, thanks to the GDP! wink
            4. old man54
              old man54 3 September 2013 19: 44 New
              -1
              Quote: Nitup
              For all time, NATO has never used the transit of drugs through the territory of Russia. This is probably due to the fact that they were allowed to transit only on the condition that ours can inspect the cargo at any time.

              Quote: Nitup
              So already refused: the fund of the national. wealth is removed from the American pyramid and invested in infrastructure projects in Russia: expansion and modernization of the Baikal-Amur Mainline and Trans-Siberian Railway, construction of the Moscow-Kazan and TsKAD high-speed railways.

              Well, what do you write then !!! laughing Here you dump your fantasies, and do not even blush! negative
              Quote: Nitup
              And this is already being done. Russia begins to trade with many countries in national currency. Gradually you have to do everything. The sharp collapse of the American pyramid is also not beneficial to anyone.

              Well, of course.
              if all huge personal accounts in Western banks that are close to the Kremlin and the government of Putin’s government have then certainly not profitable $ to bring down laughing , although the purely Russian economy, both the state and the BRICS countries, is directly HONEY! But then the pile is then the shirt is closer to the body, is it not true, "Nitup" ?? wink
          2. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 3 September 2013 13: 03 New
            +3
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            As a result, what other decisive actions awaits Comrade Ivashov?

            For example, to refuse the transit of NATO cargo through the territory of the Russian Federation.
            Refuse to store part of the reserve fund in the Dollarch.
            Refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars.
            Refuse to export American pork and chicken.
            If you do not see any measures between babbling and a nuclear strike - this only speaks of the narrowness of your view.


            As for the narrow view, it’s rude, but for the rest of the measures you have the advantage, but this is not a complete list of what Russia can do alone, I'm not talking about the measures that BRICS countries can take.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 3 September 2013 18: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              but this is far from a complete list of what Russia can do alone,

              He listed the first thing that came to mind, of course, if you seriously think about it, then you can find darkness of measures of influence. But our people don’t want to work if grandmas are involved. Now, if you’re talking about, about orphans or NGOs, it’s welcome, but if commerce is a taboo, don’t bother!
          3. ksan
            ksan 3 September 2013 13: 08 New
            +1
            S_mirnov Refuse to sell oil and gas for dollars.
            First you need to make the ruble a reserve (world) currency. And Russia is taking steps to this (in the post-Soviet space). And within the framework of BRICS, a common BRICS bank is being created (I don’t know what it will be called) in which settlements between its members will be made .currencies.
            If you do not see any measures between babbling and a nuclear strike - this only speaks of the narrowness of your view
            It seems to me that you and Ivashov do not seeor do not want to see the differences between balanced and sane advocacy of national interests and babble
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 3 September 2013 14: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: ksan
              First you need to make the ruble a reserve (world) currency.

              Only for this, the army must be increased by a factor of 2 at least! I hope you remember how Gaddafi’s attempt to introduce a gold dinar ended? That's it!
              Instead of building up the petrodollar forces, we are spending on the Olympics; we are building stadiums instead of factories. And the battle for living space will not be in the form of football matches.
              1. Tartary
                Tartary 3 September 2013 14: 45 New
                -1
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Quote: ksan
                First you need to make the ruble a reserve (world) currency.

                Only for this, the army must be increased by a factor of 2 at least! I hope you remember how it ended Gaddafi's attempt to introduce a gold dinar? That's it!
                Instead of building up the petrodollar forces, we are spending on the Olympics; we are building stadiums instead of factories. And the battle for living space will not be in the form of football matches.

                About dinar ...

                You only post here or where else you read?

                It has been said more than a week ago that on the G-20, Russia and China intended to inform the world about the creation of a joint reserve currency called "titanium" ...

                Really or not, I can’t argue, but the logic of unleashing Syrian events from Mr. “smoked” suggests that there is some grain in the foggy scattered articles on this topic ... The sharp escalation of the situation with Syria is an attempt to slow down China and Russia in implementation of your plans ...
                And how do you like ??
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 3 September 2013 19: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Tartary
                  You only post here or where else you read?

                  In my opinion, post and read different concepts, I did not understand the question.
                  Quote: Tartary
                  It has been said more than a week ago that on the G-20, Russia and China intended to inform the world about the creation of a joint reserve currency called "titanium" ...

                  I don’t remember who exactly, but the thought said the right one, something like this:
                  "Intentions change easily and quickly, and opportunities are hard and slow."
                  And again, such statements require a strong, combat-ready army and an economy that can exist in isolation (authorship is called in my opinion) as in the USSR. We have so far with these bad.
              2. ughhh
                ughhh 3 September 2013 14: 47 New
                +1
                Quote: S_mirnov
                And the battle for living space will not be in the form of football matches.

                The battle for living space is primarily fought in the minds. The Olympics in this case is a trump card. And do not spare money, they cost nothing. Stadiums are not built to the detriment of factories, by the way: http://sdelanounas.ru/ And, in general, the Winter Olympics, there will be no football)
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 3 September 2013 18: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: ughhh
                  Winter Olympics, there will be no football

                  There will be a World Cup! This is the next swelling of the dough.
                  Quote: ughhh
                  And do not spare money, they cost nothing. Stadiums are not built to the detriment of factories

                  If the Russian Federation printed dollars as much as it wants then yes, but now the opposite is true. Therefore, your statement sounds unconvincing.
                2. Garrin
                  Garrin 3 September 2013 19: 13 New
                  +3
                  Quote: ughhh
                  The battle for living space is primarily fought in the minds. The Olympics in this case is a trump card. And do not spare money, they cost nothing. Stadiums are not built to the detriment of factories, among other things

                  I would consider the battle for living space to be won specifically in my head if it were not for the “first channel” that urged us to send SMS with the word “Welcome” to save sick children by operating them abroad, and the state would first of all take care of this. And if this had been done for money confiscated from stealing officials and oligarchs, I would have applauded standing.
                  And you need to spare money and let it go better to children's sports schools than to pay for the "numbers" and "girls" of Mr. Mudko.
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      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 3 September 2013 08: 11 New
        +2
        And how can Russia prevent the United States from striking Syria? Offers to conduct a naval battle or start a nuclear war?
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 September 2013 08: 21 New
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          No matter how cynical it sounds, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for us that the states attack Syria, attack and get good lyuley. Hitting the tomahawks will not solve anything; you won’t run a tomahawk on each tank. In order to fundamentally break something, it is necessary to introduce a contingent, but here it is that the zizdets lurked. Losses will be very high and the United States will not gain anything in this war. The public debt will be even greater, of course, the bigwigs of the military-industrial complex will get rich, but the state will crawl between two buttocks specifically.
          1. Refund_SSSR
            Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 08: 44 New
            +8
            If the intervention in Syria breaks off, the United States will suffer even greater damage as a geopolitical player, and this will mean that the “Invincible System” of the US-NATO will not be considered absolute.
            And substituting Syria is inhuman and risky.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 3 September 2013 08: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: We refund_SSSR
              And substituting Syria is inhuman and risky.

              In politics, there is no such thing as nobility.
              1. Refund_SSSR
                Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 10: 19 New
                +7
                In such a case, such policies are doomed to failure, since the word Ally, implies an owl some responsibilities.
                1. Vladimirets
                  Vladimirets 3 September 2013 11: 57 New
                  +2
                  Quote: We refund_SSSR
                  In such a case, such policies are doomed to failure, since the word Ally implies some duties under the owl.

                  Allies, and therefore allies, because they pursue some common goals, and not because they are simply friends at home.
            2. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 3 September 2013 15: 43 New
              0
              something long intervention they do not break off
          2. Kolya
            Kolya 3 September 2013 09: 10 New
            +8
            It is necessary to help Syria "on the sly" so that the States would be in the role of the USSR in Afghanistan, when the NATO cars will fall from the "stingers" in Syria. In addition, many doubters will become convinced of the hypocrisy of the United States. The whole world will consider the evil empire.
            1. ksan
              ksan 3 September 2013 13: 15 New
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              Kolya CA Today, 09:10 ↑

              It is necessary to help Syria "on the sly" so that the States would be in the role of the USSR in Afghanistan, when the NATO cars will fall from the "stingers" in Syria. In addition, many doubters will become convinced of the hypocrisy of the United States. The whole world will consider the evil empire.
              I totally agree. Just not in "quietly" but openly but without interfering directly (armed forces) in conflict. And at all levels (Ministry of Foreign Affairs, mass media, Internet) to show who is nowEmpire of Evil
          3. ksan
            ksan 3 September 2013 13: 35 New
            +1
            Vladimirimets RU Today, 08:21 ↑

            No matter how cynical it sounds, but it seems to me that it is beneficial for us that the states attack Syria, attack and get good lyuley. Hitting the tomahawks will not solve anything; you won’t run a tomahawk on each tank. In order to fundamentally break something, it is necessary to introduce a contingent, but here it is that the zizdets lurked. Losses will be very high and the United States will not gain anything in this war. The national debt will be even greater, of course, the bigwigs of the military-industrial complex will get rich, but the state will crawl between two buttocks specifically
            It also seems to me that a strike against Syria will not solve anything (for the United States), but they will definitely not decide on a ground operation. And America will once again show its dirty face to the whole world.
          4. mr.rafael-r
            mr.rafael-r 3 September 2013 13: 45 New
            +1
            I agree. For Russia, any move of the United States is beneficial. They will attack - they will suffer financial losses and an even larger image of the evil empire. Do not attack - we have a plus as a state that has defended "its" interests in this region. Putin set the PAT.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 3 September 2013 16: 28 New
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              Quote: mr.rafael-r
              Putin set the PAT.

              This is called zugzwang - a position in checkers and chess in which any player’s move leads to a deterioration in his position.
        2. Trofimov174
          Trofimov174 3 September 2013 09: 49 New
          +6
          > The supply of modern weapons to Syria
          > Navy buildup in the Mediterranean
          > Pressure on American Allies in Europe and the Middle East
          > Support for anti-militarist movements in the US and Europe
          > Transferring data from Russian air defense systems to Syrian.
        3. S-200
          S-200 3 September 2013 11: 28 New
          +8
          Quote: xetai9977
          And how can Russia prevent the United States from striking Syria? Offers to conduct a naval battle or start a nuclear war?

          Details of the Russian "interference" will be known, as always - later ...
          An open armed confrontation at sea with the US Navy does seem unpromising if we compare the Navy of Russia and Russia in terms of tonnage and technological development ...
          But who and when was the last time attacked the US Navy with modern weapons, such as are in service with the Russian Armed Forces or are exported by us? Iraqis, Libyans with their antediluvian missile boats of half a century of "freshness"?
          Who made it difficult to maneuver and move the AUG and submarines by setting modern mines (minefields)? How much time and money is required to neutralize them and what is the probability of their complete destruction at different depths?
          On the Israeli military-patriotic site, visitors are exaltedly enthusiastic about the American AEGISAEGIS) simply do not leave opponents a chance.
          No words, the system is good, but so far only with advertising!
          It was widely advertised as a missile defense-air defense system.
          True, it is not clear how successfully she protects against Russian anti-ship funds, it is not yet clear ...
          In counteracting the air strike, there is a set of technical and fire weapons that Russia is able to provide (or has already provided) to Syria to repel the attack.
          They are widely known, these are complexes of electronic intelligence and electronic warfare, airborne detection systems for air targets, air defense systems, MANPADS, communication systems and air defense control systems.
          In addition, the Syrian Air Force has Russian-made interception aircraft systems.
          The prolonged pause between the declaration of war (air striking by the United States) and its beginning, perhaps indirectly, indicates to us the “hindrances” of Russian (+ Iranian) origin ...
          Careful planning of the operation is characteristic of the US Armed Forces, because even the loss of one warship and several attack aircraft will be a great moral victory "all progressive humanity over hated American imperialism!"
          good
          1. a52333
            a52333 3 September 2013 12: 06 New
            +2
            In the event of a US attack, moderate opposition threatened to side with Assad.
            1. xan
              xan 3 September 2013 15: 59 New
              0
              Quote: a52333
              In the event of a U.S. attack, moderate opposition threatens to side with Assad

              amers somewhere crawled
              some zwang some
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 3 September 2013 14: 15 New
            +3
            Quote: S-200
            On the Israeli military-patriotic site, visitors are exaltedly enthusiastic about the American AEGIS JIUS (AEGIS) simply do not leave opponents a chance.
            No words, the system is good, but so far only with advertising!


            - The fact that the missile defense system created by the Americans is imperfect, is recognized not only by US congressmen, but also by the ABM Agency itself. To intercept one combat unit, covered by a range of missile defense systems, you need seven or eight GBI anti-missilethat are deployed in Alaska and California. In addition, the Americans have not yet held not a single test on the real interception of the intercontinental missile warhead. They are limited to intercepting targets.
            If we talk about the last test of the GBI anti-missile launched from the US Air Force base Vandenberg in California in early July, it was aimed at testing the effectiveness of the improved interception stage. The primary version of this step on the GBI was not what the Americans would like it to be. The missile defense system was modified and tested, but unsuccessfully. As far as I know, there was a mistake. Apparently, the conditions of the target situation were complicated. But there are many other problems, in particular, related to the fact that the level of interception cannot distinguish false targets from a real combat unit. In general, according to the report of the Main Accountability Directorate (US Accounts Chamber), published in April 2012, Of the 39 most important technical problems, the developers of the American missile defense system managed to solve only seven. Ways to overcome another 15 problems were identified, but no technical solution was found for the remaining 17.

            Taking into account the opinion of the developers of the American missile defense, I believe that the task of anti-missile defense of the US territory from a massive missile strike is hardly feasible. However, if the Americans deployed a shock space echelon of missile defense, the solution will be significantly simplified. But it will cause an arms race. Already in space.


            From an interview with Viktor Yesin
            Quote: S-200
            The prolonged pause between the declaration of war (air striking by the United States) and its beginning, perhaps indirectly, indicates to us the “hindrances” of Russian (+ Iranian) origin ...
            Careful planning of the operation is characteristic of the US Armed Forces, because even the loss of one warship and several attack aircraft will be a great moral victory for “all progressive mankind over hated American imperialism!”


            Indicative Information
            the Russian Ministry of Defense informed that the Russian Missile Warning System in Armavir at 10:16 Moscow time recorded the launch of two ballistic targets in the Mediterranean.

            link

            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 3 September 2013 14: 16 New
              +2
              The states also understand this, for according to the latest information, Obama has confirmed that under the current conditions it is necessary to plan a larger military operation
              The US can plan a large-scale operation in Syria. About this BBC said the former deputy chief of staff of the US Army Jack Keen. According to him, the president of the country Barack Obama personally told Republican senators who were invited to the White House on Monday that Washington plans to cause significant damage to the forces of Syrian President Bashar al-Assadif Congress supports a military operation. According to Jack Keane, US officials also plan to increase aid to some rebel groups in Syria.


              That is, the Americans themselves will be limited to missile strikes and support from the sea and air and to fight on land and there will be Turks who are eager to fight and Israel
              1. ksan
                ksan 3 September 2013 14: 38 New
                +1
                That is, the Americans themselves will be limited to missile strikes and support from the sea and air and to fight on land and there will be Turks who are eager to fight and Israel
                I don’t know about the Turks, maybe they will "climb", but Israel I doubt it. wink He already has few "friends" in the Middle East, and if he "gets into" Syria, then in addition to the States, they will be in trouble.
                1. Ascetic
                  Ascetic 3 September 2013 15: 27 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ksan
                  but Israel doubt it


                  The task of Israel will be the suppression of air defense and ensuring a no-fly zone.
                2. alone
                  alone 3 September 2013 23: 29 New
                  +1
                  about friends of israel. name a country that can strike because of syria? egypt? I don’t think so. Jordan also won’t do it. Lebanon - maybe Hezbollah can hit. But then they will cover it. Iraq is incapable of such a thing. Iran will remain. It will soon act with the hands of Hezbollah. Only Syria remains. There is only one Syria at all.
                  the rest of the blah blah blah cycle
          3. old man54
            old man54 3 September 2013 19: 50 New
            -1
            Quote: S-200
            for even the loss of one warship and several attack aircraft would be a great moral victory for "all progressive humanity over hated American imperialism!"

            Well, it seems like infa walks on the network that has already been lost, and not one already! hi

            http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/208248-pvo-sirii-sbila-f-22-i-4-tomagavka.h
            tml
        4. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 3 September 2013 13: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: xetai9977
          And how can Russia prevent the United States from striking Syria? Offers to conduct a naval battle or start a nuclear war?


          Well, why immediately start a nuclear war? Is that all that Russia can do for you? Apparently, you underestimate the capabilities of our country, but you obviously overestimate yours, Turkey and NATO countries. hi
      3. Corsair
        Corsair 3 September 2013 14: 44 New
        0
        Quote: We refund_SSSR
        If comrade Ivashov does not know something, then this does not know that this is not.

        The impression that the article was written BEFORE, and only now "released" ... request
    2. duke
      duke 3 September 2013 09: 12 New
      0
      what is wrong, well. explain
      1. afire
        afire 3 September 2013 09: 23 New
        -1
        another soothsayer along with Fedorov and Satanovsky ...
        already got everyone with their PR forecasts
    3. Genera
      Genera 3 September 2013 10: 31 New
      -4
      This is a type of Russian "Brzezinski"
      1. Genera
        Genera 4 September 2013 09: 46 New
        0
        To me essentially, can anyone explain for this person? What are his merits to the Fatherland? I must say right away that his titles for our Motherland do not bring any benefit, except ....., well, maybe his pension is higher than the rest (and I don’t see any benefit).
    4. ksan
      ksan 3 September 2013 12: 44 New
      -5
      Valery Neonov SU Today, 07:44 AM New

      Often, the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Leonid Ivashov, began to make mistakes in his predictions. With all due respect to the title. hi
      I also try to respect HIM respectfully, especially since there is a lot of truth in his words. But if HIMThe Academy of Geopolitical Problems does not see or does not know something, this does not mean that it is so. It seems to me that in "acodemic" personal grievances on power "say." Put -minus article only here for this:
      The only assumption: our government is controlled from Washington, and we were allowed in this situation only to peep in the form of protests, calls and so on. That's all!
      Author Leonid Ivashov
      Original source http://www.km.ru/
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    6. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 3 September 2013 13: 16 New
      +3
      You can argue about whether Ivashov is right or wrong; We must not just forget that earlier in his forecasts and scenarios this respected specialist was not mistaken. As for betrayal - God forbid, of course, and doubtfully, but Ivashov is right about the rest. You won’t do anything now, so you can only wait and after September 9 (or the start date of the US attack on Syria), according to the actions of our president and the government, Russia will clearly surrender to Syria or not.
    7. honest jew
      honest jew 3 September 2013 13: 38 New
      -3
      Ivashov is such a Cossack mishandled, to distract from pressing problems, in the Far East in Khabarovsk people are drowning and housing is flooding, but he remembered about Syria !!!! I would have remembered better about my friend Kvachkov, but no, the gut is thin, the Kremlin has not been ordered to bark at the gentleman, you can get it in the neck and, in the worst case, go to the bunks
    8. old man54
      old man54 3 September 2013 19: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Valery Neon
      Often, the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Leonid Ivashov, began to make mistakes in his predictions. With all due respect to the title. hi

      Perfectly!! But the Internet “major general” cannot be mistaken, where is Tiam Ivashov! negative laughing
  2. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 3 September 2013 07: 44 New
    +3
    Strange, like a whole colonel general, in theory, he should be able to correctly evaluate his and the enemy's defensive and offensive capabilities. And, speaking about the continuation of the construction of the United States by the unipolar world (which is debatable, for example, I believe that the USA is no longer building this very world, but is only trying to preserve it), it should not be surprising that they ignore the BRICS statements.
    However, as one of the points of view, it may well have a right to exist. For a fruitful discussion, in my opinion, too little.
  3. saag
    saag 3 September 2013 07: 44 New
    +1
    Elysium did not just appear :-)
    1. mejik
      mejik 3 September 2013 09: 56 New
      0
      something is not visible to a lone hero, so that he came and killed everyone. ..all ... all the bad guys
  4. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 3 September 2013 07: 45 New
    +1
    Not even going to comment!
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 3 September 2013 11: 49 New
      +6
      They have already discussed this many times, including at this forum - money and children from the tops of Russia in the West - accordingly no one will throw warheads on their children, the second - Chubais, Serdyukov and other "reformers" are still in power. From this we can conclude that the words from the article are far from the ravings of a madman.
      1. Prorox
        Prorox 3 September 2013 16: 13 New
        -3
        Do not distort, neither Chubais nor Serdyukov have any relation to power. The law was adopted and entered into force, if there are facts of the storage of some officials of funds abroad, imagine, and do not engage in chatter, the general author is enough.
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 3 September 2013 16: 49 New
          +1
          I won’t provide facts, but there is such an opinion (I’m not saying that it’s true, but it seems quite real to me that the children of officials live and study abroad.) and we see Chubais and Serdyukov as having no power according to the results of their reforms, which by the way continuing - education, RAS, etc.
  5. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 3 September 2013 07: 46 New
    +9
    We have the potential to stop this rabies, but this is not done
    To do this, WILL is needed, and GDP has now taken a position, both ours and yours. Syria- No, no, we will not surrender you, to the States- No, no, and we don’t want to argue with you. I agree with the author, decisive steps are needed now, otherwise there is no confidence in Russia. We say one thing, but in reality ...
  6. a52333
    a52333 3 September 2013 07: 51 New
    10
    Well, as events have shown, while Ivashov is not right. The veto and the exposed fleet delayed aggression. Austria banned the use of airspace, Germany refused, the London parliament banned, today Cyprus condemned the impending invasion, I hope, as a logical consequence = ban on the use of the air base and airspace. Egypt timidly banned the passage of Suez. Every day is getting harder. I hope so.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 September 2013 08: 42 New
      15
      Quote: a52333
      The veto and the exposed fleet delayed aggression.

      Are you seriously? Veto costs at a time, you know the examples. To call the fleet five ships with a deliberately observant mission is too presumptuous.
      1. Refund_SSSR
        Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 08: 46 New
        +6
        Quote: Karabin
        To call the fleet five ships with a deliberately observant mission is too presumptuous.

        If we talk about the war between the USA and the Russian Federation, then yes, but if you think with your head and talk about real events, then this is a very force that can coordinate and notify the Syrian army.
        At least this will complicate the life of the United States several times and significantly increase the cost of an already not cheap missile attack.
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 3 September 2013 10: 59 New
          +3
          Quote: We refund_SSSR
          able to coordinate and alert the Syrian army.

          In order to coordinate something, serious preliminary work is needed, the signs of which were not observed. As for the alert - easily, matyugalnik in the direction of the Syrian coast and "WARNING! AIR ALARM!"
          1. yanus
            yanus 3 September 2013 13: 56 New
            +1
            Quote: Karabin
            As for the alert - easily, matyugalnik in the direction of the Syrian coast and "WARNING! AIR ALARM!"

            Yes, the simplest warning that the "rockets went" will greatly help Syria. Manage to include air defense systems, change the location of the KP units, etc.
            Do not forget that Syria is a small country and without prior warning they will notice missiles when it is too late. Active air defense systems have time to work out, but those that are "in ambush" are unlikely. There will also be no time for moving troops.
          2. ksan
            ksan 3 September 2013 14: 14 New
            +1
            Karabin RU Today, 10:59 ↑

            Quote: We refund_SSSR
            able to coordinate and alert the Syrian army.

            In order to coordinate something, serious preliminary work is needed, the signs of which were not observed. As for the alert - easily, matyugalnik in the direction of the Syrian coast and "WARNING! AIR ALARM!"
            Dear, do you think that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the GRU, the General Staff should open a special website, or should all the media notify about ALL measures and actions "on the conflict in Syria" ?? And what "signs of work" for example GRU should be ?? hi
          3. Prorox
            Prorox 3 September 2013 16: 05 New
            0
            Quote: Karabin
            In order to coordinate something, serious preliminary work is needed, the signs of which were not observed.


            They don’t write to newspapers, they don’t post to the Internet, well, they don’t inform me insultingly.
    2. denson06
      denson06 3 September 2013 14: 14 New
      0
      The most serious question ... there is nowhere else to "retreat" .. there are no words .. hi
  7. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 3 September 2013 07: 55 New
    +2
    our power is controlled from Washington, and we were allowed in this situation only to peep in the form of protests, calls and so on. That's all!
    This is a bust of course .. Now it’s easy to give advice. I think that the West was counting on Russia starting to hysteria and threatening it would be good for them .. Russia is significantly silent ... (and is preparing hard if that ..)
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 September 2013 08: 45 New
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia is significantly silent ..

      Or maybe what she’s capable of, she’s already said and there’s nothing more to add.
      Quote: MIKHAN
      and preparing hard if that ..)

      What is it expressed in?
      1. ksan
        ksan 3 September 2013 14: 25 New
        0
        Karabin RU Today, 08:45 ↑

        Quote: MIKHAN
        Russia is significantly silent ..

        Or maybe what she’s capable of, she’s already said and there’s nothing more to add
        Russia really can do a lot, and I’m sure it’s doing it. But it’s not about EVERYTHING that you need to "scream for the whole world"
        What is it expressed in?
        This should be expressed in the work "through diplomatic channels", in the work of the GRU. Or should they "report" about their work to the Internet community ???
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 3 September 2013 09: 53 New
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Russia is significantly silent ...

      This, in my opinion, is the most correct position of Russia - not to allow the country to be drawn into the conflict and active diplomatic opposition.
      1. xan
        xan 3 September 2013 16: 09 New
        0
        Russia is so meaningfully silent that the left-handed ova sidekicks suddenly began to back up, and kick back from participating in a meat grinder.
        Russia was silent before, and Assad suddenly began to heap his bandigans in the tail and mane.
        Maybe you need to continue silently so productively?
  8. Orel
    Orel 3 September 2013 07: 55 New
    +5
    There are options, and it surprises me why Russia does not require an urgent convocation of the UN Security Council.


    Diplomacy now does not solve anything. The principle of the primitive communal system is in effect: "He who is strong is right." Although if you consider the situation with Syria without unnecessary emotions, it becomes obvious that no matter how the United States does, they will still not achieve their goals and will harm themselves. In any case, Russia will benefit from this situation. In the event of a strike, the United States will skyrocket in oil prices and may take off for a very long time, and the United States will climb into another war, at the risk of completely shattering its economy. In the absence of a blow, the benefits are also obvious. Putin once again furnished Obama, whatever he decided. Even if Assad does not stand, no one will guarantee what will happen in the future. Consequently, a repeat of the Iraqi scenario is possible. The influence of our oil companies on Iraqi Kurdistan, and indeed on Iraq in general, is significant. For this, we did not spend billions and did not drop a single bomb, unlike the United States.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 3 September 2013 08: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: Orel
      In any case, Russia will benefit from this situation. With the blow, the United States will skyrocket in oil prices and may soar for a very long time,

      How long? Libya is several times richer than Syria in oil, but there has been no “take-off”. Moreover, as a result, TNCs are now pumping Libyan oil in comfortable conditions. The same goes for Iraqi oil.
      Quote: Orel
      The influence of our oil companies on Iraqi Kurdistan, and indeed on Iraq in general, is significant.

      Alas, this is as far as allowed. Russia's persistence in protecting Assad will 100% deprive these companies of Iraqi contracts.
      Quote: Orel
      Consequently, a repeat of the Iraqi scenario is possible.

      And why is the Iraqi scenario bad for the states? Muslims cherish each other not in a childish way, and the cunning west pumping hydrocarbons, simultaneously bringing in weapons.
      1. a52333
        a52333 3 September 2013 12: 13 New
        -1
        Moreover, as a result, TNCs are now pumping Libyan oil in comfortable conditions.
        Controversial issue.
        The state has lost control over the country's natural wealth. On September 2, the news was that the country's oil production fell from 1,5-1,6 million barrels (pre-war level) to 100 thousand barrels per day. Before the strike, about 500 thousand barrels per day were mined. The strike was organized by workers in the commodity industry; they blocked oil terminals and ports. The oil industry in Libya has lost its unified structure and is under the control of various armed groups (former rebels), often formed on the basis of tribal and territorial affiliation. The situation has reached the point where Libya, a country with rich energy resources, is forced to start importing diesel fuel and fuel oil to provide power plants.
  9. nemec55
    nemec55 3 September 2013 07: 55 New
    +4
    In principle, everything is clear. THIS IS A GENERAL. He is not a politician at all, and as it is typical for a general, he puts a saber to the left to the right.
    1. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 08: 21 New
      +4
      How about President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov ...
      1. yanus
        yanus 3 September 2013 13: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: Valery Neon
        But what about the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov ...

        And how many people in this “Academy" besides him? 2-3? 10?
      2. ksan
        ksan 3 September 2013 14: 50 New
        0
        Valery Neonov SU Today, 08:21 ↑

        But what about the President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems Leonid Ivashov ..
        And what else, besides Ivashov’s articles, did you see under the “signboard” Academy of Geopolitical Issues?? Maybe some serious research? or is someone ordering her research ?? or at least analytical notes? I am not a fool. I will be grateful, and many will be, I think, interesting. Share informationwho is in the know hi
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 3 September 2013 09: 58 New
      0
      Quote: nemec55
      characteristic of the general cuts a saber from left to right

      Not peculiarly, the general, first of all, must possess strategic thinking. Cut the lot of the lower ranks.
    3. nemec55
      nemec55 3 September 2013 11: 47 New
      0
      I, on my collective farm, are also the menistar of labor and social development and a defense box. Topor call the Boeing, it will not be better to fly from this hi
  10. WASABI
    WASABI 3 September 2013 07: 58 New
    +9
    Good morning everybody! I already said earlier that our government is controllable, but Washington is not directly related to this. For strings our leadership is pulled by completely different personalities ... However, like Washington!
    I think that there will be no full-scale aggression in Syria (in the form that is now looming on the horizon) and the United States will continue to provide the militants with only material support, while supplying military specialists (advisers) and intelligence. Abama is already skidding, fearing to take responsibility for a military invasion of a sovereign state and is trying to shift responsibility to Congress, but he (apparently) is also being pressed (?) And will have to continue maneuvering between the military and political solutions to the Syrian problem on Amid growing antiwar movements within the United States and the ongoing recession in the US economy.
    1. ksan
      ksan 3 September 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      WASABI SE Today, 07:58

      Good morning everybody! I already said earlier that our government is controllable, but Washington is not directly related to this. For strings our leadership is pulled by completely different personalities ... However, like Washington!
      Is there really uncontrolled power???? Any power controllable, and pulling the strings: social movements, financial groups, the opinion of the people and their own conscience, rather than individual "personalities" Even a 100% dictator must reckon with those on whom his power rests.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 3 September 2013 15: 14 New
        0
        Naturally, it is not long to sit in the palace for long.
  11. Iraclius
    Iraclius 3 September 2013 08: 01 New
    19
    Material for reflection - our Russia is a sovereign democratic state. So? So. The question is why education reform, reform of the Moscow region, reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences are carried out exclusively from above, without any coordination with this very people? How do these reforms end and what is their real purpose? Who is the author of these reforms? Why are not negligent and thieving top executives punished? Which banks does our political elite keep capital in and why exactly there? Where do the children of our political elite study? Where does our political elite buy real estate? And - the main question! - Whose political elite are we?
    I am not saying anything - I am just asking questions that I hope to someday get answers.
    He set the article as a plus solely for the fact that with all my negative attitude to Ivashov’s activities, he has the courage to publicly ask such questions and express his doubts.
    1. max702
      max702 3 September 2013 12: 12 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you, the question is not about the unfortunate Syria, but about who really steers our state. As long as everything that is done with us fully confirms your words, this is the absence of political will and a mess in the Ministry of Defense, Min. science, medicine, legislative, credit and financial, national, in the Moscow Region and in other things, etc. .. name at least one area where there is progress for the better? Not visibility but really for the better? And then you hear tomorrow if it is, the day after tomorrow it is ... but will it be? The question is ..
    2. Arabist
      Arabist 3 September 2013 13: 26 New
      +2
      Because real democracy does not exist in nature. There is winged democracy (rocket-bombing), there are where 10 wolves and 1 lamb decide today for dinner. In reality, the "demos" (people) are always pushed aside from the "kratia" (power). Now great courage such questions do not need to be asked, not 37 years.
    3. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 3 September 2013 13: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Iraclius
      Material for reflection - our Russia is a sovereign democratic state. So? So. The question is why education reform, reform of the Moscow region, reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences are carried out exclusively from above, without any coordination with this very people? How do these reforms end and what is their real purpose? Who is the author of these reforms? Why are not negligent and thieving top executives punished? Which banks does our political elite keep capital in and why exactly there? Where do the children of our political elite study? Where does our political elite buy real estate? And - the main question! - Whose political elite are we?
      I am not saying anything - I am just asking questions that I hope to someday get answers.
      He set the article as a plus solely for the fact that with all my negative attitude to Ivashov’s activities, he has the courage to publicly ask such questions and express his doubts.


      I think the answer to some of the questions will be received after the US attack on Syria - we will see how the president and the government of Russia will behave.
  12. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 3 September 2013 08: 02 New
    +5
    if they haven’t bombed yet, it’s done. stop whining ahead of time negative
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    3. Suhov
      Suhov 3 September 2013 10: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: vasiliysxx
      if not bombed yet, then done yes

      Quote: vasiliysxx
      stop whining ahead of time yes

      Anyway, whining is the last thing:
      Knocked down - fight on your knees!
      You can’t get up - lie down, step on!

      Vasily Filippovich Margelov
      1. xan
        xan 3 September 2013 16: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Sukhov
        Knocked down - fight on your knees!
        You can’t get up - lie down, step on!

        Twisted into an arc and do not allow to move - bite for something. The main thing is that this “something” does not turn out to be your own. (one pepper)
  13. mak210
    mak210 3 September 2013 08: 06 New
    +8
    Thanks to high energy prices, it began to seem to Russia that it began to develop. True, the development is kind of strange: Karimov, Sedyukov, Skrynnik, yachts, funds ... Absolutely nothing is being done for the development of industry, factories continue to stop, liberalists categorically howl about the state’s non-interference in the economy. Now, in order to overwhelm us, it is enough again, as in the 80s to drop all prices and we will fail in Hell. And for this it is necessary to control oil production areas. Only Iran was left, we were next in line.

    As long as this haganate is in power, everything will be so.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 10: 13 New
      +3
      So why write a blatant FALSE? Why manipulate people's opinions and views so openly? Do you knowingly work for opponents of Russia, or out of stupidity?

      Kerimov, Sedyukov, Skrynnik, yachts, funds ...

      But the truth is that Serdyukov has been removed from the post of minister, an investigation is underway; criminal proceedings were instituted against his henchmen. Skrynnik dismissed as Minister of Investigation; criminal proceedings were instituted against her henchmen.

      Absolutely nothing is being done for the development of industry, factories continue to stop ...

      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=64 Сайт - Сделаноунас. Блог "Производство" доказывают лживость mak210.
      http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=106 Blog "New factories and workshops."

      Only Iran is left, we are next in line

      China, Syria, Cuba, Venezuela.
      Iraq breaks away from amers ...

      So, why is this commentator openly LIES for the purpose of your, dear visitor site, manipulation, manipulation of your views? By stupidity, or ...
      1. Nick_1972
        Nick_1972 3 September 2013 11: 31 New
        +4
        Bugaga !!! "Serdyukov removed from the post of minister ..." Just some kind of inhuman punishment. Where do human rights defenders look? Why so cruel?
        1. ksan
          ksan 3 September 2013 15: 49 New
          +1
          Nick_1972 RU Today, 11:31 ↑

          Bugaga !!! "Serdyukov removed from the post of minister ..." Just some kind of inhuman punishment. Where do human rights defenders look? Why so cruel?
          There are more “nightmarish” facts of “arbitrary rule of law”: they put on “an FSIN electronic bracelet” on Vasilyev and now she visits the solarium and boutiques with terrible agony.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 3 September 2013 19: 53 New
            0
            Quote: ksan
            They put on "electronic" Vasiliev braslet FSIN "and now she" with terrible agony "visits solarium and boutiques.

            Uneven tan - causes the so-called torment of conscience .
            Pangs of conscience are painful feelings of spiritual discomfort that a person experiences about his misconduct.
            recourse
      2. military
        military 3 September 2013 12: 17 New
        +4
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        But the truth is that Serdyukov has been removed from the post of minister, an investigation is underway; criminal proceedings were instituted against his henchmen. Skrynnik dismissed as Minister of Investigation; criminal proceedings were instituted against her henchmen.

        The truth is that these hoopoes never get caught in prison cells ... and there is a vague feeling that these characters are just "transit" links in the food chain ...
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 12: 38 New
          +2
          Trotsky was removed from his post in 1924.

          He was deported (note, NOT condemned, but all the leaves were deported) in 1929. After 5 years.

          And destroyed only in 1940 ...

          AT ALL After 16 years.

          For 16 years Stalin was amused that Trotsky would be punished. So this is Stalin and the beginning of the 20th century. Completely different times ... And Serdyukov to you on the bunk, file right now ...

          But you are not interested. Right? You just need to complete the task - to arouse a careless reader's feeling of hostility towards your country through pouring lies on the Russian authorities. Right?
          1. military
            military 3 September 2013 13: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            But you are not interested. Right? You just need to complete the task - to arouse a careless reader's feeling of hostility towards your country through pouring lies on the Russian authorities. Right?

            somehow I don’t even doubt that you will make every effort to save the lost souls of reckless readers, diligently spudding their minds and guiding the true path ... repeat
            1. Ivan_Ivanov
              Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 14: 00 New
              0
              I think that the reader himself will figure out his way. He himself will make a choice between hidden manipulation, emotional spitting on his homeland and real data, objective information.
              1. military
                military 3 September 2013 14: 07 New
                +1
                Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                I think that the reader himself will figure out his way.

                certainly understand ... unless, of course, you help him ... wink unobtrusively ...
                1. Ivan_Ivanov
                  Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 14: 27 New
                  +1
                  Unlike you, I speak openly.
                  1. military
                    military 3 September 2013 14: 38 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
                    Unlike you, I speak openly.

                    ... and most importantly, a lot ... congratulations ...
                    1. Ivan_Ivanov
                      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 14: 46 New
                      -1
                      Well, if this is the main thing for you, or you have nothing to say ...
                      1. military
                        military 3 September 2013 15: 02 New
                        +2
                        Bis-ss! ... lol
                      2. Ivan_Ivanov
                        Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 15: 40 New
                        -1
                        As you wish... smile
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        2. Normal
          Normal 3 September 2013 15: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
          For 16 years Stalin was amused that Trotsky would be punished. So this is Stalin and the beginning of the 20th century. Completely different times ... And Serdyukov to you on the bunk, file right now ...


          And you still blame your opponents for manipulating the opinions and views of people ....

          So Serdyukov figure of the scale of Trotsky? So a year or three later they will send him .... somewhere to Switzerland, or to Mexico? No! First to Paris!

          Trotsky is the second man after Lenin in the Revolution. The organizer of the Red Army and the engine of the civil war. The theorist and practitioner behind whom stood the powerful figures of the world behind the scenes. An orator who could use the word “to make” the masses, only Fidel Castro could compare
          After the death of Lenin and Frunze, Trotsky had tremendous political superiority in the party and the broadest support for his appointees in the Red Army. Hence the years that were needed to neutralize it. Yes, and if he sat quietly in exile, and did not publish anti-Stalinist works, then perhaps he would die of old age.
          AND WHO IS A SERDYUKOV ?! WELL WHO ?! TABURETKIN! All of whose activities are landing Khodorkovsky and plundering with real estate and landowners of Moscow Region.
          In order to condemn him years are needed? Or maybe Serdyukov remained in the army in the command posts of his protege, and Putin fears this?
          Your desire is obvious; whitewash power, protect its criminal actions and inaction, get out of fair criticism .... Not a ride; not the first term of GDP in power. And we have not seen everything for the first decade, we understand and draw the appropriate conclusions.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 15: 53 New
            -3
            Lord ... This means that behind Serdyukov, Chubais and other darkness like them, behind all thieves, liars, agents of influence are the same forces that stood behind Trotsky ... Touch them - touch “Trotsky”, touch these forces. That is why Stalin did not clean everyone in the 24th, and in the 34th, only by the age of 38-39 he could. It is 15 years old.

            Yes. My desire is obvious. Try not to let the arrows turn for the crimes of agents of influence on the Russian government. Try not to give success in the fight against the dominance of agents (which many consider insufficiently active), as a weakness and a crime of power. Try to show that any hysteria caused by a lie against the authorities splits society, weakens the state and plays into the hands of our opponents.
            1. Normal
              Normal 3 September 2013 16: 11 New
              +4
              [quote = Ivan_Ivanov] Lord ... [/ quote]
              "remember the Lord in the bust ..."
              quote = Ivan_Ivanov] This means that behind Serdyukov, Chubais and other darkness like them, behind all the thieves, liars, agents of influence are the forces that stood behind Trotsky ... Touch them - touch “Trotsky”, touch these forces. [ / quote]
              Screech-ah ...
              For Chubais - I see. His name is at the meetings of the Bilderbergs and it is possible that he is taller than Putin in their hierarchy.
              But for Serdyukov, Vasilyeva, Skrynnik and other petty (in comparison with Chubais, of course) there is no Bilderberg rogue and thief. Behind them is our native and not interchangeable. And do not demagoguery: [quote] My desire is obvious. Try not to let the arrows turn for the crimes of agents of influence on the Russian government. Try not to give success in the fight against the dominance of agents (which many consider insufficiently active), as a weakness and a crime of power. Try to show that any hysteria caused by a lie against the authorities splits society, weakens the state and plays into the hands of our opponents. [/ Quote]
              In our government, no one spits an agent of influence. And it covers all this agent Radiant and Uncontested. And there is no success in the fight against dominance, some leave, others come no less agents than the former
          2. ksan
            ksan 3 September 2013 16: 06 New
            -3
            Normal (1) SU Today, 15:39 ↑ New

            Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
            For 16 years Stalin was amused that Trotsky would be punished. So this is Stalin and the beginning of the 20th century. Completely different times ... And Serdyukov to you on the bunk, file right now ...


            And you still blame your opponents for manipulating the opinions and views of people ....

            So Serdyukov figure of the scale of Trotsky? So a year or three later they will send him .... somewhere to Switzerland, or to Mexico? No! First to Paris!
            Trotsky is not Trotsky but you probably know who his former father-in-law is? And the landing of Serdyukov (a note of the former Moscow Region) may cause him (Serdyukov) “revelations” (this is like a version) that no one needs.
            Your desire is obvious; whitewash power, protect its criminal actions and inaction, get out of fair criticism .... Not a ride; not the first term of GDP in power. And we have not seen everything for the first decade, we understand and draw the appropriate conclusions.
            And who closes his mouth to whom ?? Putin is "barked" and insulted by all and sundry. And what "corresponding conclusions" did you make ??
  14. mv76
    mv76 3 September 2013 14: 43 New
    0
    Gold words :-). An illusion of our development and prosperity has been created, but control over oil production areas will allow us to drop hydrocarbon prices for a certain period of time (and we have a long time). An accredited middle class will fail in railways (we will forget about the poor). We have a short memory, they forgot everything ... Only it will be more difficult to fix, there is no economy ... WE DO NOT PRODUCE ANYTHING and we are already getting used to living like in Europe !!! The only thing is that nothing will happen to those people whom you see on TV (their assets are all added up and believe me not here).
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 14: 56 New
      -2
      laughing
      another all-crawler drew ...
      Here is a proof of your lies, and therefore attempts to manipulate readers ...
      Site Madeownas
      Blog "New factories and workshops." http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=106
      Production Blog http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=64

      mv76, mak210 - by the way, but why do you all-fuckers have such similar nicknames? Do you have a command to manipulate, or one fantasy is missing? wink
  15. ksan
    ksan 3 September 2013 15: 38 New
    -1
    mak210 SU Today, 08:06

    Thanks to high energy prices, it began to seem to Russia that it began to develop. True, the development is kind of strange: Karimov, Sedyukov, Skrynnik, yachts, funds ... Absolutely nothing is being done for the development of industry, factories continue to stop, liberalists categorically howl about the state’s non-interference in the economy. Now, in order to overwhelm us, it is enough again, as in the 80s to drop all prices and we will fail in Hell. And for this it is necessary to control oil production areas. Only Iran was left, we were next in line.

    As long as this haganate is in power, everything will be so.
    And you try to read something else besides the Swamp agitation. For example, "hammer" in the search for "construction of Russia", "made in Russia", "Infrastructure projects of Russia" Or the policy of YOUR party does not imply a different view. Yes, and in 80_ we are not due to oil prices "failed in hell" as you put it. And because the incompetence, shortsightedness, cowardice and venality of many people, by the will of history or a combination of circumstances found themselves in the leadership of the USSR.And now these people are "head over heels" and say that "the USSR was initially doomed", "the fall in the price of oil is to blame." And the new Liberasts give them this to say and are awarded some more, and especially "gullibles" sing and sing along.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 16: 01 New
      -1
      He does not need it. His goal is to pour flows of lies on Russia.
  • Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 3 September 2013 08: 25 New
    +3
    It always seemed to me that it was a person with a military background who should not say “why,” but vice versa, because !!!
    Why does Leonid Ivashov give cause for discouragement?
  • serzhserzh86
    serzhserzh86 3 September 2013 08: 26 New
    +2
    and how Australia, not being a member of the UN Security Council, will preside there?
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 3 September 2013 08: 31 New
    +5
    Good morning! In my opinion, the article was somewhat late in its content. There were also UN Security Council convocations, and there were concrete actions to protect Syria at the international level. There were direct contacts (remember, friends, how our president interrupted the meeting on coal problems if I am not mistaken and asked for a line with the official London). In general, things are being done well and that is the words of diplomats, and not automatic machines of external aggressors. Article minus.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 3 September 2013 09: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Dwarfik
      There were direct contacts (remember, friends, how our president interrupted the meeting on coal problems if I am not mistaken and asked for a line with the official London).

      This is London called him
    2. Valery Neonov
      Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 09: 36 New
      +6
      GDP did not ask for a line, he was asked on the phone! it is a difference and not small!
  • ed65b
    ed65b 3 September 2013 09: 02 New
    +2
    Yes, everyone has already decided in Washington, and all these - called, made a statement, offered to think and there is a mouse squeak about which Ivashev spoke.
  • Nitup
    Nitup 3 September 2013 09: 02 New
    +4
    Of course, it’s easy for Ivashov to engage in demagogy when he is not responsible for anything
  • Karabin
    Karabin 3 September 2013 09: 12 New
    +5
    The only assumption: our government is controlled from Washington, and we were allowed in this situation only to peep in the form of protests, calls and so on. That's all!

    Harshly, emotionally, but essentially true. The foreign policy of Putin's Russia is comparable to the foreign policy of Germany or France. It seems that we have our own view on problems, but on pressure from across the ocean on key issues, we respond by leaving aside. The only difference: for Germany and France, this is natural, for Russia it is unnatural.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup 3 September 2013 10: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: Karabin
      Harshly, emotionally, but essentially true. The foreign policy of Putin's Russia is comparable to the foreign policy of Germany or France. It seems that we have our own view on problems, but on pressure from across the ocean on key issues, we respond by leaving aside. The only difference: for Germany and France, this is natural, for Russia it is unnatural.

      Not this way. Indeed, there is a view, but, unlike France and Germany, there are also actions, for example, voting at the UN, arms deliveries, etc. I think if it were her will, that same Germany would vote against the resolutions on Syria at the UN. So the foreign policy of France and Germany is simply not comparable with the Russian one.
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 September 2013 11: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: Nitup
        for example, voting at the UN

        For example, Yugoslavia and Iraq.
        Quote: Nitup
        arms supplies

        Where is the real information about the supply of serious weapons? There is no need for secrecy. The civil war, the lack of the jungle and modern means of tracking secrecy do not leave chances.
        Quote: Nitup
        I think if it were her will, the same Germany would vote against the resolutions on Syria

        And what is stopping her? The lack of status of a permanent member of the Security Council, so there are other United Nations sites. Again, Germany was, at one time, an opponent of the operation in Iraq.
        Quote: Nitup
        the foreign policy of France and Germany is simply not comparable with the Russian one.

        In the part of idle talk. Some are talking about the violation of human rights, others about violated international law. Both that and another chatter - for domestic consumption.
        1. Nitup
          Nitup 3 September 2013 11: 26 New
          +3
          Quote: Karabin
          For example, Yugoslavia and Iraq.

          But Yugoslavia-it was also under Putin's Russia?
          About Iraq. Iraq has been a long time, and we are talking about today.
          Quote: Karabin
          Where is the real information about the supply of serious weapons? There is no need for secrecy. The civil war, the lack of the jungle and modern means of tracking secrecy do not leave chances.

          Well, if you do not believe the statements of Assad and our Foreign Ministry and believe that the Russian landing ships made so many flights to Syria just like that, then I will not insist.
          Quote: Karabin
          And what is stopping her? The lack of status of a permanent member of the Security Council, so there are other United Nations sites. Again, Germany was, at one time, an opponent of the operation in Iraq.

          Prevents her, for example, the presence of American and British troops on their territory. What, a powerful argument? And being an adversary in words and voting at the UN are two different things.
          Quote: Karabin
          In the part of idle talk. Some are talking about the violation of human rights, others about violated international law. Both that and another chatter - for domestic consumption.

          Chatter? But what about Russia's blocking of anti-Syrian resolutions at the UN?
    2. military
      military 3 September 2013 14: 30 New
      0
      Quote: Karabin
      It seems that we have our own view on problems, but on pressure from across the ocean on key issues, we respond by leaving aside. The only difference: for Germany and France it is, of course, unnatural for Russia.

      hi it would have been unnatural for the Union of Times of Andrei Andreyevich Gromyko, if it could have taken place at all ... and for Russia and its current leader it is quite natural ... yes
      1. ksan
        ksan 3 September 2013 22: 12 New
        -1
        military (1) RU Today, 14:30 ↑

        Quote: Karabin
        It seems that we have our own view on problems, but on pressure from across the ocean on key issues, we respond by leaving aside. The only difference: for Germany and France it is, of course, unnatural for Russia.

        hi it would be unnatural for the Union of times of Andrey Andreyevich Gromyko, if at all, could take place ... but for Russia and its current leader it is quite natural ... yes
        No need to compare the USSR and Russia. The Union had a different foreign policy, a different influence in the world, a different military power in the end. And it’s enough to “mourn” the USSR already, it is a pity to all normal people that such a GREAT country has been destroyed, but we must move on and proceed from the current possibilities and policies of Russia.
  • IRBIS
    IRBIS 3 September 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood. This is what the general must know when describing the past. Yes, you need to conduct an analysis to avoid repeating mistakes, but he has something too one-sided. And even more so, the general should know that in such cases, the publicity of events held by the country is not necessary, and sometimes even harmful. The work is on. Given the inadequacy of Western and US politicians, the task before our leadership is not very simple, but at the moment, all available means are used. And Ivashov’s article more closely resembles the cry of Yaroslavna ...
  • ZeroFact
    ZeroFact 3 September 2013 09: 25 New
    +3
    Unshed tears across the Union
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 09: 27 New
    +7
    Here are some more quotes from Ivashov’s statements with short comments:

    "... stale speeches of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Putin ..."

    These are the words of Novodvorskaya, or the patriot general ???

    "After all, we were obliged, if there is a threat of armed aggression for a sovereign state, to do everything so that this state can defend itself ..."

    What exactly, general? Send advisers there? They are there. Deliver weapons? It is supplied. Start an open confrontation? Did the general calculate the consequences, compare the forces and resources of the parties, calculate the consequences? No?
    (Based on the results of recent events, we see that Russia is doing everything to prevent open foreign aggression in Syria. But the main thing for Ivashov is to throw a piece of dirt into the Russian government ...)

    "And we are not doing anything. Because corrupt power ..."

    Well, and how does it differ from Navalny? Ah ... Well, yes ... Bulk conscious traitor, works for money, and Ivashov is foolish (or not?).

    - ... Or for you, anyone who justifiably criticizes Putin's thieves * elite * already a priori traitor?
    - And again the manipulation. Ivashov does not criticize the "elite". He pours mud on the Russian authorities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the president. And yes. For me, anyone who sows the seeds of distrust of the authorities and fanning the conflict between the people and the authorities within the country, making us weaker at the moment of intense confrontation with an external adversary is a priori a traitor.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS 3 September 2013 11: 44 New
      +5
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      Did the general calculate the consequences, compare the forces and resources of the parties, calculate the consequences?

      What for? He will not sit in the trenches. He will not even lead. He will make conclusions, conclusions.
      And now it has become simply fashionable to criticize the authorities. Only here in their former places such critics were doing what? For the fate of the people happy? Or did they hold on to their chairs at the feeders with both hands and clung their teeth? "Advisers" ...
      1. VadimSt
        VadimSt 3 September 2013 12: 24 New
        +4
        100
        Quote: IRBIS
        What for? He will not sit in the trenches. He will not even lead. He will make conclusions, conclusions.

        Forever offended by the authorities, who knows everything and knows everything, well, just the second Zyuganov. And he will not lead, it’s not Shamanov, he passed his “universities” in the secretariat of the Minister of Defense.
  • yan
    yan 3 September 2013 09: 38 New
    +5
    Unfortunately, any political situation is evaluated fully only post-factum. It is necessary to give forecasts, but without knowing all the currents and ups and downs, it is difficult to get a real picture.
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  • akv0571
    akv0571 3 September 2013 09: 45 New
    -6
    I would not be surprised if the chemical attack was indeed organized by the Syrian army or Moscow or by someone else.
    In America, basically all the propaganda that Assad is, is the opposite with us. And where is the truth really ???
    And who is sure that the whole truth is being said about Syria? Or maybe they don’t finish something, and then the complete picture with these silences turns out to be completely different. With this chemical attack, Obama is so ...
    whether he started a war or not - it is not known what is worse for him and America. (It’s not hell to the whole world to talk about the red line). And what is Russia losing or winning in case of an attack on Syria or not ?? Can someone predict all the consequences? After all, Obama has already said that there will not be a land operation in Syria from the side of the o, and tamahawks and air raids will not solve the problem.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 3 September 2013 09: 46 New
    -2
    In general, Leonid Grigoryevich correctly says, wait and see. It's just that our liberals have something to lose and something they certainly do.
  • HF
    HF 3 September 2013 10: 01 New
    +7
    Quote: We refund_SSSR
    As a result, what other decisive actions awaits Comrade Ivashov?
    Preventive nuclear strike?

    I absolutely agree with you! Somewhere in the wrong place, respected Leonid Ivashov.
  • Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 3 September 2013 10: 03 New
    +4
    <<< The only assumption: our government is controlled from Washington, and we were allowed in this situation only to peep in the form of protests, calls and so on. That's all! >>>
    If Russia’s position on Syria is called squealing, from which Washington’s “ruling Russia” and Western gaming democracies salivate, squirting and bothering with rage with their legs, what will happen when Russia declares itself in full voice? Something the author does not fit with reality! Overdone with criticism!
  • freedmen
    freedmen 3 September 2013 10: 07 New
    +3
    He said the truth back in Libya, so it is today! I was not mistaken in anything!
    He voiced what will happen after Yugoslavia, and so it is now going on.
    1. mr.rafael-r
      mr.rafael-r 3 September 2013 14: 29 New
      0
      If GDP enters into a clear, open conflict and renders military assistance to Syria, are you personally ready to go to defend the interests of the Russian Federation and Putin’s order with arms in the hands of TAM?
  • uhu189
    uhu189 3 September 2013 10: 13 New
    +1
    I always respected Ivashov and always read his reviews, but here, as it seems to me, he is wrong. Thicken a little paint. Well, or the interview was obviously not taken yesterday ...
  • Sour
    Sour 3 September 2013 10: 15 New
    +5
    Quote: mak210
    Absolutely nothing is being done for the development of industry, factories continue to stop, l

    Which plants have stopped in recent years? Of those that really worked, and did not die back in the 90s? List please.
    So nothing is being done for industry? Or is something being done? Since 2000, automobile production has grown 1,9 times, consumer electronics 1,8 times, building materials 7 times, plastics 2,6 times and so on. We exported weapons worth $ 2000 billion in 3, and now $ 16 billion. The export of chemical products during this time has grown almost three times (in comparable prices). In 2007, Russia took third place in rubber exports, ahead of Japan and Germany, which they lagged far behind. But we don’t notice anything, we can only whine.
    What would you do to develop industry? Probably would have shot someone? Usually no other measures are proposed.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 10: 28 New
      -1
      +
      Website Madeownas.
      Blog "New factories and workshops" http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=106
      Production Blog http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=64
    2. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 3 September 2013 11: 40 New
      +2
      However, you have a challenging plan! Consumer electronics say rose? Do not tell me where you can buy a new TV Horizon, Ruby, Vyatka washer, computer DVK N, etc. What about rubber? Why is there no data on the export of hemp, wheat, honey?
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 12: 27 New
        0
        Yeah ... If there is no Horizon, Ruby, and Vyatka then you are no new plants, new production do not suit you? What a fastidious you are, however ...
      2. Sour
        Sour 3 September 2013 13: 35 New
        +2
        Give you goods or brands?
        I have an Indesit washing machine, but it was made in Russia. And the Bosch refrigerator is also made in Russia. And the Samsung TV is made in Russia. Or is it not Russian products for you? Here is the Horizon, by the way, not Russian, but Belarusian. Although recently it was the same "Thompson", but with a different sticker.
        Why is there no data on all exports? Yes, because it is impossible to embrace the immensity. I did not set such a goal.
        Enough to whine already - "chef, u have disappeared, the client removes the cast ..." There are enough problems, but they always were.
        I have been living in my 80-apartment building for 11 years. When he settled, there were 3 cars in the courtyard belonging to the residents. The other day I decided to count how many of them are now. He counted 38. Most likely, there are even more car owners in the house, just the cars in the yard no longer fit. And all the whining that we live poorly, the damned oligarchs completely robbed the people ... Too much hypocrisy in this nagging.
        1. Nick_1972
          Nick_1972 4 September 2013 10: 50 New
          0
          Bosch, Indesit made in Russia !! Now I am calm. Before your comment, I considered the domestic auto industry, to put it mildly, non-modern, and now I'm proud of it. What are we doing cool in Russia BMW, Fords. And in Vladivostok on Sollers Pradiki will be released! By far, our auto industry is the best !!!
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 10: 17 New
    +4
    Quote: IRBIS
    And Ivashov’s article more closely resembles the cry of Yaroslavna ...

    I offer you from Primakov, the theme is the same:"Evgeni Primakov:" Russia's position on Syria is the only correct one "" see http: //news.rambler.ru/15042682/ And you don’t need to learn this “bison”!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 3 September 2013 10: 39 New
    +3
    I agree with Ivashov in assessing the events that are taking place in the world now. In particular, the actions of the United States and NATO in relation to North African countries (Libya, Egypt, etc.), Syria, Iran, Afghanistan. Indeed, America is creating a burning belt of instability in the Middle East region, trying to put its puppets in the leadership there, creating a unipolar world with its hegemony in a very important oil-bearing region. But Ivashov’s assessment of Russia's actions against Syria is not entirely clear to me. Russia, its diplomacy today is doing everything in its power to protect Syria. Well, do not declare war on America !?
  • washi
    washi 3 September 2013 11: 24 New
    +7
    Ivashev: Since 1987 - head of the affairs department of the USSR Ministry of Defense. In 1992-1996 - Secretary of the Council of Ministers of Defense of the CIS; Since August 1999 - Chief of Staff for the Coordination of Military Cooperation of the CIS Member States. In 1996-2001 - Head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense.
    Ie one of those who participated in the collapse of the sun. He sometimes tells the truth how it happened. But trust his current forecasts ....
  • dmb
    dmb 3 September 2013 11: 36 New
    +4
    That rare case when I agree with critics of the article who love the current government. Especially with those who, besides exclamations about the wisdom of the Guarantor, also give reasonable arguments. A warlike clang of weapons is good when it is perceived as a real threat. Our saber-rattling at the present time can only be perceived as a zilch, because nothing stands behind it. Well, do not start a nuclear war because of the fraternal Syrian people. This is well understood by both ours and the Americans. The latter, of course, drove themselves into a corner by pulling their troughs to the center of the conflict, but they also have a way out. Congress will not agree, and Borka will say, I have fulfilled the will of the people and their representatives. All in chocolate. Even the guarantor of Vova. It is noteworthy that, up to a certain point, he was modestly silent as well, giving Lavrov an opportunity to swell. And then he suddenly remembered about Syria. It must be assumed that analysts (not among the “political scientists” who have flooded the TV) told him that, given the reaction of the entire world community, an invasion is unlikely, and therefore he can painlessly “brand the USA with shame” and tell his own people that it did not happen due to his exceptional wisdom. Imagine the rampage of glee of the aforementioned supporters and the placement of Vova’s speech on the site: “Made with us.”
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 3 September 2013 11: 45 New
    +2
    I haven’t read a weaker article yet ... immediately doubts crept in that it was he who wrote it and not someone else ...
  • crambol
    crambol 3 September 2013 11: 57 New
    0
    Our power is controlled from Washington, and we were only allowed to peep


    General, that everything is bad, we know. Criticism must be constructive. What needs to be done specifically?

  • Ascetic
    Ascetic 3 September 2013 12: 05 New
    +7
    Strange, a man with big stars calls on Russia to fight back the states, although he is well aware that the Russian Armed Forces are not sharpened, let’s say so, for conducting full-scale military offensive operations abroad. There are no corresponding forces and means for this, with the exception of special operations forces capable of working mainly on local tasks. Even if we talk only about the strategic nuclear forces and their structure, tasks, plans for combat use, this clearly becomes apparent. Take the structure of the Strategic Missile Forces, for example the task of which is
    provide causing a nuclear missile strike unacceptable to the aggressor.. Hence the two-component composition of the shock group of the two types of the Republic of Kazakhstan - mine and mobile.
    The first ones are for retaliatory strikesecond jointly with the SSBN for retaliation of strategic nuclear forces of Russia. For Americans, the architecture of strategic nuclear and non-nuclear forces is completely different and it is geared specifically to solving the problem of eliminating our potential for a retaliatory strike with a global disarming strike in the presence of a global missile defense. According to the plan, they have only 1400 epicenters across Russia (of which 80 are nuclear defense bombs to Moscow and central missile defense systems for a guaranteed breakthrough of the A-135 missile defense), not counting SLCMs and ALCMs with non-nuclear equipment. And in these conditions, our strategic nuclear forces are a "insurance policy" against this kind of aggression. And in order to maintain this policy, our leadership just in recent years has been taking certain steps to modernize the strategic nuclear forces and, most importantly, aerospace defense. Now we are faced with three large-scale and demanding huge funds and potential tasks.
    first stage task - provide reliable anti-aircraft and anti-missile cover for the combat forces of the strategic nuclear forces of Russia, thereby increasing their combat stability.
    The task of the second stage is to improve and build up air defense and antimissile defense groups of the Armed Forces, which are designed to act on possible theater of operations.
    the task of the third stage is, after solving the priority, with the remaining resources, to provide air defense and missile defense for other important state facilities: administrative-political and large industrial centers, vital infrastructure.
    We have very little time for this. Considering all those "gaping holes" after the collapse of the Union and the looting of the country in the 90s.
    And drawing Russia into unprepared military adventures and local wars will discard the solution of these priority tasks for an indefinite period. So it turns out, relatively speaking, the dilemma of investing in the construction of factories for the S-500 in Kirov and the Lower or conducting expensive military operations in the Mediterranean Sea. To which a respected general calls us.
    And the fact that Assad managed to hold out for two years and begins to gain the upper hand and in Syria, the NATO troops, unlike Libya, still do not dare to pop up exclusively and only the merit of Russian politics and diplomacy and these are obvious things that Ivashov tries not to notice.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 3 September 2013 13: 33 New
      +2
      Dear Stanislav, calls because these 3 stars have never participated in hostilities. Even the “genius” Grachev even then drove the Mujahideen to Afghanistan and nevertheless took Grozny to the Airborne Forces Regiment. What can I expect from Ivashov?
  • Alexxeg73
    Alexxeg73 3 September 2013 12: 22 New
    +1
    Writer Oleg Vereshchagin:
    "... The man lowered his pants.
    Consciously, albeit for reasons unknown to us.
    And now he lives with his pants down. He walks in them. Sits. He’s even trying to run. It is inconvenient to live with the pants down. He makes some kind of device to improve the comfort of life with his pants down. Sympathizers create a public organization. Others are starting to argue that living with their pants down is a creatiff and we have been going to this for a million years. There are dissertations for and against flat pants. It turns out that under Hitler everyone went IN PANTS, and the federal government is preparing a law on the introduction of lowered pants everywhere and for everyone, because otherwise it turns out fascism ...
    Man still lives with his pants down. Everyone sympathizes with him. He complains to everyone. He does not sleep well. He does not eat. He goes to psychologists and takes pills. He is filming a television show about his problem.
    In this program, in the midst of debate, whooperism, crying, moaning and slogans from the audience, a gray-haired, like a moon, straight as a stick, strict old man and a well-set strong voice says: “Put on your pants, dog pig!”
    THE WORLD OF DRAWN PANTS SOLVES THE PROBLEM WITH FULL BEST. DO NOT CONSIDER ONLY ONE EXIT - PUT ON PANTS! In the words of several thousand people who killed several people, Roland Disneyn: “In the name of the faces of your fathers!” “PUT ON THE PANTS, imperfections !!!”
    Put on your pants! Those who live with their pants down are not respected and not afraid. Our place in the world, won by our grandfathers and shamefully squandered by our fathers, we will have to conquer with blood. It’s not too late, until there are more of us than them, until our houses are on fire and the alarm bell screams at night - put on your pants! "
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 12: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Nick_1972
    Bugaga !!! "Serdyukov removed from the post of minister ..." Just some kind of inhuman punishment. Where do human rights defenders look? Why so cruel?

    I paraphrase this quote and project the statement for the time of the Great Patriotic War ...
    "Bugaga !!! They defended Stalingrad? They liberated Tula ...; Directly some kind of heroic achievement. Where are the German troops looking? Why so victorious? Where is the capture of Berlin, where is the trial of Hitler?"

    That's how it is ... People are trying to ridicule any achievements of their (whether?) Country simply because they are not satisfied with their size and speed ...
  • michajlo
    michajlo 3 September 2013 12: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: Karabin
    The only assumption: our government is controlled from Washington, and we were allowed in this situation only to peep in the form of protests, calls and so on. That's all!

    Harshly, emotionally, but essentially true. The foreign policy of Putin's Russia is comparable to the foreign policy of Germany or France. It seems that we have our own view on problems, but on pressure from across the ocean on key issues, we respond by leaving aside. The only difference: for Germany and France, this is natural, for Russia it is unnatural.

    Good afternoon, dear "Carabiner"!
    Totally agree with you.
    From myself, I can add that, as others have already written above, we don’t know much, we judge only by the “tip of the iceberg”, which is constantly repainted by each participant who is interested in this conflict.
    If many of you think that Gen. Ivashov or someone under his name wrote a “WEAK” article, then write your own, BETTER and more complete.

    However, I pay tribute that the essence of Russia's actions is described in short form in this "weak article", i.e. "peeping" instead of decisive and loud "WE WILL PROTECT Syria in every possible way, without unleashing the 3rd MV!".
    But this is why we see only "peeping", since this is a sad statement of an unpleasant fact for us, in my opinion it would be useful for everyone to try to give their own answer.

    Since the answer to this question will tell us the main thing: AUTHORITY in Russia for Russians or foreign advisers / friends and their "dolls" (oligarchs and members of the Russian government).
    Because In my opinion, many of the persons I have listed are driving themselves as if "tomorrow and grass does not grow," they (so far) are sure that in the West, their relatives and they themselves can wait out the storm in their castles, forks, yachts, etc.

    True, one old folk wisdom says that "no one has yet managed to attach a suitcase or a cart with wealth to his coffin!"

    But all of our authorities are from 1985, senior officials and "oligarchs", why are they sure that they are PERSONALLY higher than the laws of history and physics !?
  • The shelezyak
    The shelezyak 3 September 2013 13: 07 New
    +4
    I got this parquet general with my everything, it’s really balabol.
    What about ranks, etc., Serdyukov also achieved big stars, al no?
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 13: 19 New
    +1
    Who is not satisfied with the actions of the Russian authorities? Who is not happy that Serdyukov and others have not yet been put on bunks? Let me remind you and the casual reader ...

    Trotsky was removed from his post in 1924.

    He was deported (note, NOT condemned, but all the leaves were sent) in 1929. Through the whole 5 years.

    And destroyed only in 1940 ...

    AT ALL After 16 years.

    For Trotsky to overtake the punishment it took 16 !!!! years old. And to whom? - STALIN! And when? - at the beginning of the 20th century ... And Serdyukov, you file on the bunk right now ... And if not - then the Russian government is rotten, corrupt, in general nothing ...

    Also about industry, and about Syria, and about everything else ...

    But you are not interested in objectivity. Right? You just need to complete the task - to arouse a careless reader's feeling of hostility towards your country, towards your STATE through pouring lies on the Russian authorities. Right?
    1. michajlo
      michajlo 3 September 2013 15: 14 New
      +2
      Good afternoon, dear "Nick"! Sorry, I don’t know how to dignify you, because You did not deign even to indicate your name.

      Firstly, let me remind you that we are all living people, with our own personal experience, mistakes and successes. It is not in vain that: "ideal people are only in the cemetery"!

      Second do not stick your own labels to others, I quote
      "You only need to complete the task - to arouse a careless reader's feeling of hostility towards your country, towards your STATE by pouring lies on the Russian authorities.".
      If you are personally, here on the site "in the performance of official tasks" or simply "for your selfish interests for the sake of" (see your reproaches above regarding grants), this may not be worth it to "shine". fool

      Thirdly, personally, I express my personal opinion here, ask others about what interests me and share my modest knowledge and, to a greater extent, mistakes from young naive years.

      In addition to my name, there is also my photo, I am not ashamed of myself.
      And what information about yourself do you indicate, dear "Nick" / "secret agent", "paid troll", etc.? sad

      And you should not immediately be offended by my direct statement, just look at YOURSELF and OTHERS from the outside, if you can !?

      Therefore, for me, your cheap generalizations sound somehow offensive!

      I understand that you can be a big hero from Claudia, because the monitor will not return an insult or ridicule to you, because say fax to face! smile

      And what prevents us EVERYTHING here on the site a little, step by step, to search, what connects us SOVIET PEOPLE !?
      Instead of some OVER user, constantly here on the site, buzzing with each other, like a spoiled kid in a sandbox!
      Sincerely, Mikhailo. hi
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 15: 25 New
        0
        Call me Betment, or whatever you like. Although my pseudonym is before your eyes. I do not understand your problem.

        I will repeat for you once again what I already wrote. I see no reason to say the same thing in other words. You will either get it or not.

        Here are some more quotes from Ivashov’s statements with short comments:

        "... stale speeches of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Putin ..."

        These are the words of Novodvorskaya, or the patriot general ???

        "After all, we were obliged, if there is a threat of armed aggression for a sovereign state, to do everything so that this state can defend itself ..."

        What exactly, general? Send advisers there? They are there. Deliver weapons? It is supplied. Start an open confrontation? Did the general calculate the consequences, compare the forces and resources of the parties, calculate the consequences? No?
        (Based on the results of recent events, we see that Russia is doing everything to prevent open foreign aggression in Syria. But the main thing for Ivashov is to throw a piece of dirt into the Russian government ...)

        "And we are not doing anything. Because corrupt power ..."

        Well, and how does it differ from Navalny? Ah ... Well, yes ... Bulk conscious traitor, works for money, and Ivashov is foolish (or not?).

        - ... Or for you, anyone who justifiably criticizes Putin's thieves * elite * already a priori traitor?
        - And again the manipulation. Ivashov does not criticize the "elite". He pours mud on the Russian authorities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the president. And yes. For me, anyone who sows the seeds of distrust of the authorities and fanning the conflict between the people and the authorities within the country, making us weaker at the moment of intense confrontation with an external adversary is a priori a traitor.

        It’s clear who Ivashov is for me. Who was he at the time of the conscious collapse of the army and state.

        But you are not interested in this. You are interested in my humble person and my non-protector, the desire to insult me ​​...

        It’s not enough to be a SOVIET MAN, you still have to be a thinking person and not be led over by agents of influence whose purpose is to cause hostility towards their own country by pouring tons of lies on state power.
        1. michajlo
          michajlo 3 September 2013 16: 17 New
          +2
          Thank you for your reply dear "Nick"!

          Indicated by you alien name "batman"/ from children's cartoon / movie, to a serious forum member VO, a patriot of the Union, how do you expose yourself here, in my e.p.y. a little does not fit, i.e. It looks like a saddle to a cow. Do not blame me for my directness.

          Or, such a name simply indicates your immature age and your desire in front of "a certain uncle" curry favor, so to speak, "for a lollipop" ?!

          First think about what to say, because the pompous form of utterances you e.y.e. does NOT quite fit with the essence. Well, after your suggestion, call me "Batman" on the patriotic VO site, do not blame me, I can’t send you anywhere as a second year in the “0” class ...

          Let me once again ask you, explain to me a slow mind, on what grounds, my personal criticism of the actions / or inaction of the authorities, you “on the shoulder immediately” consider “MY EASY SUBMITTED” to the “harmful effects” of friends from the West / ie enemy agents ?

          How can you confirm your unfounded stickers and I would say “insults”?

          I must disappoint you regarding your "stickers to me", because I write with my soul, and not outraged by "good uncles with a thick wallet and an English accent."

          And I'm not at all for my thoughts and most importantly for my conclusions and forebodings, I'm not ashamed!
          And in the event that I was MISTAKED, you used to know whether to Apologize for your personal mistake.

          Sincerely, Mikhailo.
          1. Ivan_Ivanov
            Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 16: 52 New
            -1
            Thank you for switching to personalities and trying to insult me. You confirm the undeniable nature of my arguments. smile
            1. michajlo
              michajlo 3 September 2013 17: 13 New
              -1
              Good afternoon, dear "Nick" with a secret name!

              You know, I’m not used to going over to the person, you’re just flattering yourself! I quote you:by going over to individuals and trying to insult me, you confirm the undeniable nature of my arguments.

              Ponder all the same, over your empty pathos and your "baby name" / by the way a stranger.

              Do not blame me, from my youth I was used to addressing everyone without exception by name and never hid my own.

              I completely agree with you that this exchange does not make sense, especially when I find "the secret person in civilian clothes and glasses" opposite me.

              I apologize generously if I offended you in our exchange of views!

              Sincerely, Mikhailo.
              1. Ivan_Ivanov
                Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 17: 23 New
                -1
                I give you the full right to be what you want to be (within the law). Be called at least a name, at least do not be called ...

                And the fact that you refuse the rest, in particular me, to be what they consider necessary to be, speaks of your hypocrisy. Are you worried that I am not giving my name? It's your problems... wink
  • brutal true
    brutal true 3 September 2013 13: 29 New
    +1
    Leonid Ivashov - general room. There have already been several Security Council meetings on Syria. At the big eight were agreements. Everything is being done through diplomatic channels. And also, a very important event happened. For the first time, we are not losing the information war. It was Syria’s informational support that made it possible to split the ranks of NATO allies. These talking rooms, which Ivashov proposes to lead in the Security Council, are useless. Spit on them at the UN. We cannot physically act - there are no means, and why on earth? But the miracle general, a bright head, is unknown. He can only engage in lengthy discussions about what would happen if ... The president of the academy simply does not realize that the current situation is the worst for the United States. Now a full blow, reaching the main goal, is no longer possible. They can simply deliver a couple of bombing strikes. Sure, sensitive. And the states have very little time to solve problems."Our power is controlled from Washington, and we were only allowed to squeak" - Come on, wonderful head, suggest alternative options. I don’t see something! The USSR prosralized such strategists. By the way, what kind of academy is this? Who finances, what does he do?
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 13: 35 New
      -1
      + 100500 !!!
    2. Hort
      Hort 3 September 2013 14: 30 New
      +3
      The general room, you say?
      It was under his leadership that the paratroopers in 99 occupied Pristina Airport, which made it possible to somehow save face in front of the Serbs and unpleasantly surprise the NATO troops.
      At the moment, Leonid Ivashov teaches geopolitics at MGIMO and, in principle, an intelligent uncle.

      As for the article, then here he is not quite right of course. Perhaps due to age and resentment for power. However, to call it "room general", to put it mildly, is incorrect.
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 3 September 2013 14: 47 New
        +1
        They were busy, the British said that they would do nothing so as not to start from the world, and not because they were afraid of the general without the experience of military operations. How much could the Airborne Forces battalion do against several thousand NATO troops? Another 6 company? Gorbachev gives lectures and so what?
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 3 September 2013 15: 03 New
        0
        Quote: hort
        It was under his leadership that the paratroopers in 99 occupied Pristina Airport, which made it possible to somehow save face in front of the Serbs and unpleasantly surprise the NATO troops.

        Come on!? Speak, personally supervised? O-ball-go !!!

        Quote: hort
        and basically smart uncle.

        A smart guy should know that a bad world is better than a good war. And the fact that making populist statements did not appear to the general as an officer, even in retirement.
      3. brutal true
        brutal true 3 September 2013 15: 54 New
        +1
        I have no doubt that Ivashov will not. crayfish . Yes, that’s not the point. He just does not have enough real experience in the information, financial and political confrontation, a lack of understanding of methods. Complete misunderstanding of the domestic political system and legislation. And the responsibility does not rest with him. Ivashov was stuck in the past, for 30 years. In addition, there is an unhealthy ambitiousness, which, perhaps, is one of the motivating reasons for what he says. At least I got the impression. And at the expense of insults, if any, then in general - a kindergarten.
      4. ksan
        ksan 3 September 2013 23: 09 New
        -1
        Hort SU Today, 14:30 p.m. ↑

        The general room, you say?
        It was under his leadership that the paratroopers in 99 occupied the Pristina airport, which made it possible to somehow save face before the Serbs and unpleasantly surprise the NATO
        What is his guidance? Was he in Serbia? Or maybe he planned and directed the march with a throw? But “keeping abreast” and “under his leadership” are two different things.
        At the moment, Leonid Ivashov teaches geopolitics at MGIMO and, in principle, an intelligent uncle.
        Yes, it seems, and no one here blamed for the stupidity.
        As for the article, then here he is not quite right of course. Perhaps due to age and resentment for power. However, to call it "room general", to put it mildly, is incorrect.
        Yes, many have grudges against the authorities, but if you are a Soviet general, a patriot is not good (to say the least) to behave like that.
        1. Hort
          Hort 4 September 2013 06: 44 New
          +1
          What is his guidance? Was he in Serbia? Or maybe he planned and directed the march with a throw? But “keeping abreast” and “under his leadership” are two different things.

          On June 9-10, 1999, negotiations were held with generals D. Foglsong and J. Casey in Moscow. L. G. Ivashov began negotiations based on previously agreed positions and in accordance with resolution No. 1244 on the military presence of UN member countries and international organizations in Kosovo, which gave Russia and the United States equal rights. General Foglesong said that the American side considers the previously agreed positions to be invalid. He demonstrated documents agreed at the Pentagon, where all sectors were already divided on the map, and suggested that the Russian military should have one or two battalions in the American sector. Ivashov categorically refused to consider this document. After the American side did not propose any other solution to the issue in the second round of negotiations, Ivashov, terminating the negotiations as useless, said that Russia would act strictly within the framework of resolution No. 1244, bearing in mind the equality of the parties. He told reporters: “We will not be the first to enter, but we will not be the last!”

          After that, a note was prepared in the Foreign Ministry with the participation of First Deputy Foreign Minister A. A. Avdeev, representatives of the Main Directorate for International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense, Vice Admiral V. S. Kuznetsov, Colonel E. P. Buzhinsky and others. Yeltsin, in which it was proposed once again to try to bring the Americans to constructive negotiations, and if this fails, provide for the simultaneous entry of Russian units with NATO forces. Reported to B. N. Yeltsin, Marshal I. D. Sergeev. The President approved the decision.

          Immediately, a full-time battalion from the Russian peacekeeping brigade based in Uglivik, on the territory of Bosnia and Herzegovina, advanced to Kosovo. At the same time, no legal norms were violated - the UN Security Council delegated equal rights to both Russia and NATO.

          Wikipedia article. If interested, I think, and more detailed information can be found.

          With regard to grievances, I agree here - with a slight senility
    3. kush62
      kush62 3 September 2013 14: 41 New
      +1
      By the way, what kind of academy is this? Who finances, what does he do?
      By the number of academies and presidents, we are ahead of the rest.
  • waisson
    waisson 3 September 2013 13: 32 New
    +6
    but how can they be uncontrolled if all the cabbage after the cardon just blinks to lose the stolen goods and the children where they study in not at any Saratov Polytechnic are all there ...................... ................
  • Hort
    Hort 3 September 2013 14: 23 New
    +1
    as it was rightly noted here: politics is not a place for nobility. And by and large, we don’t need to get into the Syrian war directly, but it doesn’t matter on whose side. Official complete neutrality. Unofficially - the supply of everything necessary for Assad as long as it is expedient and, roughly speaking, while at least one battalion of the Syrian army resists the aggressors.
    And no matter how cynical it sounds, but to some extent US military intervention in this conflict is beneficial to us, and a ground operation is extremely desirable (if \ when it happens). In this case, there is a chance to arrange a second Vietnam for the amers and discredit them as aggressors who do not give a damn about international laws and agreements. And here already some NATO members can be lured to their side.

    It’s interesting, didn’t our think about supplying anti-ship missiles to the Syrians?
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 3 September 2013 14: 33 New
    0
    The sadness of the respected general is understandable, but with the modern deplorable state of the Russian economy and, as a consequence, the deplorable state of the Armed Forces, as well as the dominance of compradors, both in power and the economy, there is no need to throw an eye on effective and reasonably aggressive counteraction. I don’t want to talk about the absence of geopolitical allies, but without them ...
    Famously let the Anglo-Saxons gouge themselves ... sad
    1. brutal true
      brutal true 3 September 2013 15: 59 New
      0
      Probably mistaken. You are not talking about Russia, but about Estonia.
  • igor_ua
    igor_ua 3 September 2013 14: 44 New
    +3
    How many servants paid by the regime got out right away ..
    They could not give birth to anything but to call him "parquet general".
    I remember how this “parquet general” tried to shout to the sanity of Putinophans that Serdyukov was destroying the army, and then he was branded with this nickname ... Saying nothing to him, the “SUV” does not understand, the “great helmsman” personally directs us with his hand.

    And now they attribute to the person the desire to attack the people and criticize him right away .. Although he is talking about political measures.
    In addition to what is given in this article, he still spoke
    We should, as a permanent member of the Security Council, promote this issue there. It doesn’t work out - it was necessary to convene the UN General Assembly - a threat to international peace, the shadow of the Third World War hangs. Humanity has entrusted us, one of the five states, with its security, I’m talking about the permanent members of the UN Security Council, why should we sit and wait - “will or will not”?

    We must attack them by political and diplomatic means, convene a permanent joint Russia-NATO alliance and warn: the first missile flew, we generally tear apart the fundamental act of partnership between Russia and NATO, exit all structures, withdraw our representatives and declare you "enemies of the world." Why can't we do this? Why are we not holding consultations within the framework of the SCO and BRICS, within the framework of the League of Arab States? ..
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 3 September 2013 14: 50 New
      -3
      Have you decided to protect the poor thing for free?
      1. Peaceful military
        Peaceful military 3 September 2013 15: 06 New
        0
        Andrey, do not disgrace our glorious name (my name is also Andrey) with such remarks.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 3 September 2013 15: 09 New
          0
          And what dishonor your and your name?
          1. Peaceful military
            Peaceful military 3 September 2013 15: 11 New
            +1
            And what dishonor your and your name?

            As I said, a rude remark.
            1. Arabist
              Arabist 3 September 2013 15: 16 New
              0
              I really didn’t think that it was such rudeness. Okay.
      2. igor_ua
        igor_ua 3 September 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        not protect, but restore justice. is free.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 3 September 2013 21: 28 New
          -2
          Justice, like the truth, is different, and each has its own.
    2. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 15: 07 New
      -4
      Of course we defend our homeland for free.

      But you - the agent of influence work for free? If so - you lost. They pay for it.
      1. military
        military 3 September 2013 15: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        But you - the agent of influence work for free? If so - you lost. They pay for it.

        yes, we believe you, we believe ... don't be so torn ... laughing
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 3 September 2013 15: 57 New
          -4
          Have you decided to pursue a venya? Or does your inability haunt you?
      2. IRBIS
        IRBIS 3 September 2013 17: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
        Of course we defend our homeland for free.

        Yah? And I, mercantile, almost thirty years received money for this. And tell me please, and when did someone defend our Motherland for free? Or are they not paid money to soldiers and officers during the war? I’ll upset you - they pay and even in triple the size of peacetime.
        So, dear, do not be so patriotic. "Free" You even, sorry, do not go to the toilet, you have to pay for sewers.
    3. brutal true
      brutal true 3 September 2013 16: 03 New
      0
      Quote: igor_ua
      I remember how this "parquet general" tried to shout to the sanity of Putinofans that Serdyukov was destroying the army, and even then he was branded with this nickname ...

      By the way, recent sudden inspections showed that the Serdyukov army is quite combat-ready. Yes, it’s the Serdyukov’s army, not Kuzhuget’s. Kuzhugetovskaya will be reflected in 3-4 years.