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Baku needs submarines

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It is difficult to refuse the tempting offer of Azerbaijan to South Korea


Baku needs submarines
Roman Yakich (left) offered Azerbaijan to cooperate in the field of military education


Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev has received the Minister of Defense of Slovenia, Roman Yakic. Prior to this, the Slovenian guest held talks with some heads of ministries and departments of Azerbaijan and met with his colleague Safar Abiyev. The visit of the head of the Slovenian Defense Ministry to Baku was fruitful for both sides, the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan stated after its completion.

According to the press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan, the head of the department, Colonel General Safar Abiyev, during a meeting with Roman Yakich, indicated that the military agreement signed by the parties two years ago opens up great opportunities for the development of cooperation.

The parties prefer not to elaborate on the details of these opportunities, limiting themselves to information for the press about their interest in expanding cooperation in the field of military education. However, Baku today is interested not so much in the educational aspects of cooperation with the military departments of other countries, but in the potential capabilities of these countries in the field of trade in modern weapons and equipment. In this sense, it is not yet clear what Ljubljana can offer Baku, which from year to year increases the purchase of modern military equipment and weapons.

According to the statistics of authoritative military publications, the volume of imports of military products by Eastern European countries in 2008 – 2012 increased by 21% compared to the same previous four years. And it happened mainly due to Azerbaijan, which became the only country in the region that increased military imports by 155% and moved from 48 to 35 in the list of global importers. The same leap is observed in the rating on the allocation of funds for defense needs - in the budget of Azerbaijan's 2013, defense expenditures will amount to 3 billion 700 million USD. Of these, almost 1 billion was allocated for the purchase of Russian military equipment and weapons.

As NG has already reported, in the current year, deliveries of land military equipment began under a package of contracts concluded with Russia in 2011-2012. In particular, we are talking about six battalions (94 units) tanks T-90S and BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles (about 100 units), the Msta-S self-propelled artillery division (18 units), the Smerch multiple launch rocket launcher system (18 MLRS), and the self-propelled artillery division guns "Vienna" (18 units) and a battery of heavy flamethrower systems TOS-1A "Solntsepek" (6 units of a new modification of the system "Pinocchio"). At the same time, T-90S tanks are purchased in the most advanced standard configuration at the moment, including a new modification of the Shtora optical-electronic suppression system.

However, the interests of the Azerbaijani military are not limited to this. Recently it became known that Baku intends to acquire a large batch of modern weapons and South Korea. In particular, we are talking about the purchase of ships, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, fire control systems, etc.

According to the Korean edition of Hankook Ilbo, the desire to acquire modern military equipment was announced during the visit of the delegation of South Korean parliamentarians to Baku. In particular, Azerbaijan offered to buy from Korea two submarines, a destroyer, a transport ship, supersonic training aircraft T-50, one of the world's best ACS K-9 caliber 155 mm, helicopters, unmanned aerial vehicles, fire control systems, etc. worth about 3 billion dollars. Official Baku explained its intentions with a desire to strengthen the capabilities of the country's armed forces in protecting its rich oil and gas fields. The source of Hankook Ilbo in the South Korean legislature also said that these proposals were communicated to the government, however, the Korean side has not yet given consent to the deal.

Meanwhile, Azerbaijani analysts are inclined to believe that Baku is likely to succeed in convincing the Korean side, because this contract will allow Korean gunsmiths not only to earn a substantial amount, but also strengthen South Korea’s image as the world's leading arms supplier, which Seoul has long wished for.
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  1. Refund_SSSR
    Refund_SSSR 3 September 2013 05: 59 New
    +7
    and they don’t need an aircraft carrier?
    To plow the expanses of the bath laughing or even a basin))
    1. Orel
      Orel 3 September 2013 07: 00 New
      +3
      Official Baku explained its intentions by the desire to strengthen the capabilities of the country's armed forces in protecting its rich oil and gas fields.


      They are cunning, they cannot forget about Nagorno-Karabakh ...
      1. experienced
        experienced 3 September 2013 10: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Orel
        They are cunning, they cannot forget about Nagorno-Karabakh ...

        Bugaga, where does the Armenians who have no access to the sea? Or do you think that Azerbaijanis will put submarines on wheels (caterpillars) and drag them to the NK in the mountains? laughing
        I read a lot of stupid comments, but yours no doubt knows no equal wink
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 3 September 2013 16: 44 New
          +2
          Quote: seasoned
          Will they put submarines on wheels (caterpillars) and drag them into the NK in the mountains?


          Speaking of submarines (or rather, even vehicles) on wheels, you are not far from the truth .. smile



          And if in Azerbaijan, a few years ago their fleet was in a deplorable state, for example, anti-ship missiles were removed from the boats. Compared to Iran, it’s just a seam ,,, Now they are actively changing both the qualitative and quantitative composition of the Navy, because there is an active militarization of ALL countries of the Caspian region.
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 29 New
        +5
        Quote: Orel
        They are cunning, they cannot forget about Nagorno-Karabakh

        Who is cunning?
        All in the first place for the liberation of occupied territories!
        it's a clear stump!
        There we are talking about naval weapons!
        We have gas and oil fields mainly in the sea!
        1. Arberes
          Arberes 3 September 2013 13: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          There we are talking about naval weapons!

          And what about a couple of small boats, it is quite possible to buy, as they say, modestly, but tastefully?
          I will not say for sure, but in my opinion do they go to the Caspian Sea in Iran?
          Hello dear Yarbay (5) . hi
        2. Mature naturalist
          Mature naturalist 3 September 2013 13: 56 New
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          All in the first place for the liberation of the occupied territories!

          Yes, that's right. I recently watched on TV ("Peace") the parade of the Azerbaijani army and Aliyev's speech.
          The entire presentation, from beginning to end, is dedicated to the fact that the time of war with Armenia will soon come. Twenty times, Aliyev must have repeated this in his speech.
          PS Well, the black-and-white uniform of one of the units pleased, well, the purely uniform of the bourgeois army from the old Soviet film
          1. Mature naturalist
            Mature naturalist 3 September 2013 14: 01 New
            +1
            On the background
    2. StolzSS
      StolzSS 3 September 2013 07: 04 New
      +4
      The same thoughts about the bath came however))) laughing in that case, they need to sell a couple of rescue vessels from the boats in distress, otherwise the last admiral, a submariner, an ethnic Azerbaijani, seems to have died a long time ago ....
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 3 September 2013 07: 40 New
      +6
      To be honest, I thought that site users would not fall for this duck, but it turned out that I was wrong. Let's go snide jokes about the bath .... And if they could turn on their imagination and carefully read the "article" .... Why do we need destroyers in the Caspian Sea? What, are you going on an ocean trip? Or the same transport ships and submarines? In the Caspian, there is nowhere for the patrolmen to deploy. Even more perplexing is the author's assertion about helicopters, drones and self-propelled guns. We ordered the Fyrtyna self-propelled guns in Turkey, which are the same K-9. True, there were difficulties with the engines, since the Germans refused to deliver. But the info passed that a replacement was found from a "very famous company". And we are already producing drones ourselves under an Israeli license, and it seems that the Israelis were going to supply more. At the expense of the T-50, first let the Koreans bring it to mind (2 crashed in a year). We have already purchased a lot of helicopters. And they seemed to be going to participate in the Turkish ATAK project. So giggles and malice are inappropriate. There will always be journalistic exaggerations and inventions, it is important to distinguish wheat from chaff.
    4. AVV
      AVV 3 September 2013 10: 24 New
      0
      They want to surf the Caspian Sea, for them Nabuko is still relevant !!!
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: AVV
        They want to surf the Caspian Sea, for them Nabuko is still relevant !!!

        TAP is relevant for us!
        Apparently on this topic you have not read anything for two years!
  2. shpuntik
    shpuntik 3 September 2013 06: 05 New
    +4
    In particular, Azerbaijan offered to buy two submarines from Korea,

    I remembered the USSR: why are submarines in the Caspian? They are superfluous there, there is no need, you can agree among themselves. Although the "empire of good" can deploy a group there too, they will become ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 3 September 2013 06: 25 New
      +3
      The problem, as they see it from Baku, is that the Ayatollahs really liked the sections of the Azerbaijani shelf in the Caspian Sea. By some oddity, or by the will of Allah, it was precisely in those areas that they found either the oil or the gas - well, in general, what Europe pays for Amer bucks. And with all the aversion of the ayatollah to the unfaithful America, they have the opposite attitude towards the bucks, that is, such love that for its sake one can even grapple with orthodox neighbors. And the neighbors saw the old men of the Romans reading - si vis pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war).
      It's just not entirely clear how to destroy a destroyer or even a submarine into the Caspian - through Volgobalt, or what?
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 3 September 2013 06: 44 New
        +2
        Nagan (1) US Today, 06: 25 ↑ New
        The problem, as they see it from Baku, is that the Ayatollahs really liked the sections of the Azerbaijani shelf in the Caspian Sea.

        So it seems that the Iranian ayatollahs have enough of their own, and they also need to be kept.
        It's just not entirely clear how to destroy a destroyer or even a submarine into the Caspian - through Volgobalt, or what?

        Well, they can also bring them here often, overland, and weld sections on the spot. Although I think this is such a humor, about submarines, South Korean. laughing
        The Caspian is being shot through by the same "Yakhont", some kind of nonsense ...
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: shpuntik
          So it seems that the Iranian ayatollahs have enough of their own, and they also need to be kept.

          appetites are unstoppable))))
      2. Dober
        Dober 3 September 2013 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        It's just not entirely clear how to destroy a destroyer or even a submarine into the Caspian - through Volgobalt, or what?

        Yes, if only so, if they are comparable in size to the lock chambers for GDP (Inland Waterways).
        Approximately length not more than 140 m, width 14 m, draft 3.8 m, height above the overhead line no more than 14 m.
        Let not destroyers, but they fit the dimensions of the MRK and patrol boats under construction (the project of Zelenodolsk "Buyan"). Let not along the Volga-Balt, but along the Volga-Don from the Black Sea (and back). Option for Russia.
      3. Yarbay
        Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: Nagan
        It's just not entirely clear how to destroy a destroyer or even a submarine into the Caspian - through Volgobalt, or what?

        I think it’s possible we are talking about building with us! Since we are building an ultra-modern shipyard and plants, and if the Korean project doesn’t fail me, with the help of Korean specialists!
        But the start of construction was a long time ago, I could be wrong!
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 3 September 2013 14: 35 New
          0
          Yarbay (5) TR ​​Today, 10:37 ↑
          Since we are building an ultramodern shipyard and plants, and if the Korean project doesn’t fail me,

          So the submarine can be seen from the air in shallow water, among other things. Delivering, launching is real, but how justified? Surface fleet, yes, I think submarines will not be launched into the Caspian. Only if the type "babies", "Piranha". Here is the depth distribution:

          http://tapemark.narod.ru/more/05.html
  3. andrei332809
    andrei332809 3 September 2013 06: 11 New
    +1
    what are they preparing for? or do they hope that the Turks will accept them as equals? the Turks will accept them as friends, but as vassals
  4. Per se.
    Per se. 3 September 2013 06: 21 New
    +2
    Submarines in the Caspian, of course, can be considered absurd, but when fighting for resources, all means are good, especially since a small submarine is more dangerous than artillery boats that were not intended for anti-submarine warfare. Yes, the Caspian Sea has no connection with the oceans, being essentially a deep-sea salt lake, but until the United States came to Iran, the Caspian has no rivals to the regional fleets from NATO, in this there are submarine missile platforms (or even the noisiest and low-speed submarines with ICBMs) could be of interest to Russia, we could get a marine version of a mobile missile system, sheltered from a potential enemy.
    1. Bakht
      Bakht 3 September 2013 06: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: andrei332809
      what are they preparing for? or do they hope that the Turks will accept them as equals? the Turks will accept them as friends, but as vassals

      What does the Turks have to do with it? And what does the vassals have to do with it? Your post is completely out of place. And very, very far from reality.
  5. buzuke
    buzuke 3 September 2013 06: 34 New
    0
    I feel that the noble in the Caspian is getting ready. our forces have been pulling back there for a long time, now Azerbaijan has somehow somehow taken care of
  6. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 3 September 2013 06: 50 New
    +3
    You are keen on a submarine. But we are talking about the procurement of much larger volumes of weapons than a boat or destroyer. And now remember about Nagorno-Karabakh.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: serge-68-68
      And now remember about Nagorno-Karabakh.

      And who forgot about him?
    2. The comment was deleted.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 3 September 2013 13: 06 New
      +3
      There has not been and will not be a single government in Azerbaijan that will not take the first opportunity to liberate Karabakh. Moreover, of course, we will be happy if Iran is divided. They do not deserve another. With 48% of the non-Persian population, national minorities do not have a single national school. But the Armenians have everything. From schools to the deputy seats reserved for them. Which is not surprising. These two countries coordinate all their steps with each other.
  7. Bakht
    Bakht 3 September 2013 06: 57 New
    +1
    Submarines in the Caspian already exist. Iranian.

    But, to be honest, I personally do not understand the desire of my country to have a strong naval group. No fleet will help for the defense of oil wells. Too vulnerable infrastructure. A rocket will fly from far away and no Eminer will help.

    We have a different problem, and we must solve it first of all. And now I see only the option "an order was given to him to the West, to her in the other direction."
  8. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 07: 05 New
    0
    Armenia doesn’t, but Azerbaijan has it ... IT IS UNDERWATER. That's how they live .. hi But a meeting with the head of defense of Slovenia and the purchase of such a quantity of weapons ... maybe they want to start moving from the center of Europe to ... what? request
  9. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 3 September 2013 07: 07 New
    0
    from the Don.
    We have a different problem, and we must solve it first of all. And now I see only the option "an order was given to him to the West, to her in the other direction."
    So, to solve this problem, they are ordering submarines? To swim in Lake Sevan? And will a loaded gun ever fire! Do we need this?
  10. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 3 September 2013 07: 20 New
    +3
    About submarines. Neither Nagorno-Karabakh nor Armenia has access to the sea and I recalled the idea of ​​the late Heydar Aliyev about Great Azerbaijan. In this case, the Azerbaijanis are preparing to tidy up Iranian Azerbaijan in the event of an attack on Iran, I see no other explanation.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      I recalled the idea of ​​the late Heydar Aliyev about Great Azerbaijan

      Do not give a link to this idea!
      Heydar Aliyev said that Azerbaijan is a country with an ancient and great culture !!
      Do not invent from yourself and do not attribute it to others!
  11. Bakht
    Bakht 3 September 2013 07: 28 New
    +3
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    About submarines. Neither Nagorno-Karabakh nor Armenia has access to the sea and I recalled the idea of ​​the late Heydar Aliyev about Great Azerbaijan. In this case, the Azerbaijanis are preparing to tidy up Iranian Azerbaijan in the event of an attack on Iran, I see no other explanation.

    I can only repeat that I do not understand the desire to turn the Caspian into another hot spot. But ... there are five states around the Caspian Sea. Russia is strengthening its flotilla, Iran has already launched an arms race in the Caspian. and placed submarines here. Tukrmeniya actively purchases combat boats in the States. I have not heard anything about Kazakhstan yet. And now the info about Azerbaijan has passed. If anyone started to hang "loaded guns" on the walls, it is clearly not Azerbaijan.

    I personally am not thrilled.
  12. Bakht
    Bakht 3 September 2013 07: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    About submarines. Neither Nagorno-Karabakh nor Armenia has access to the sea and I recalled the idea of ​​the late Heydar Aliyev about Great Azerbaijan. In this case, the Azerbaijanis are preparing to tidy up Iranian Azerbaijan in the event of an attack on Iran, I see no other explanation.

    Perhaps you are right. But how can the fleet solve the problem of "Great Azerbaijan"?

    By the way, I personally do not recall such a phrase from G. Aliyev. It was an idea to fix completely different people. And other parties.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 3 September 2013 08: 06 New
      +1
      In this context, the recent proposal by the Azerbaijani MPs to rename their republic to Northern Azerbaijan did not go unnoticed. Thus, the Mejlis hinted at the possible accession of a part of its territory populated by ethnic Azerbaijanis and adjacent to the southern borders of Azerbaijan after the partition of Iran. The role and place of parliament in the political system of Azerbaijan is such that without the initiative and approval of President Ilham Aliyev, the deputies would not have decided to put forward a similar (and also almost unanimous) proposal.
      “Before, Baku tried not to touch the topic of ethnic affinity between the population of the two countries in order not to spoil relations with its southern neighbor,” Stanislav Pritchin recalls. “The fact that Azerbaijani politicians have violated the taboo means: Baku is ready for the deterioration of relations with Tehran.” Probably, Ilham Aliyev, who made a strategic bet on the United States, wants to get a piece of former Persia for participating in the war and go down in history as a collector of the lands of Great Azerbaijan.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 3 September 2013 10: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        In this context, the recent proposal by the Azerbaijani MPs to rename their republic to Northern Azerbaijan did not go unnoticed.

        Recent ??)))))))))))
        Klim What are you smoking ???))
        it was in 2011 when several parliamentarians from Iran spoke outrageously about Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis before Eurovision!
        They expressed thoughts that it is necessary to denounce the Turkmenchay agreement!
        In response, our deputies gave them their balls !!
        What is more interesting is the election campaign of the current Iranian President Rouhani, in which he stated that if he is elected President, he will join Azerbaijan to Iran!
  13. Yeraz
    Yeraz 3 September 2013 11: 37 New
    +4
    I think half the info is a lie. Well, they can buy 2 submarines, as if in counterbalance to Iran, well, additional batches of self-propelled guns are already available, but everything else does not look realistic, there are UAVs in the factory and purchases from Israel, helicopters from Korea ?? and what are they themselves Apaches are buying.
    Yes, and it doesn’t make sense to increase the naval grouping. There are disagreements between Iran and Turkmenistan and the two countries. Having a land border with Iran is pointless, plus when all of their missiles, which were given earlier and are simply bigger, reach an agreement with the Turkmens, just a small increase in naval forces can be made, not multiple.
  14. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 3 September 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    Why does Azerbaijan need submarines in the Caspian, and most importantly against whom? Against Iran? Or Russia? These are the only countries in the Caspian that have more or less strong navies. Russia has: 2 TFR project 1166.1, 4 IAC: 3 projects 21630, 1 project 1241 (MAK-160 "Gomel"); 6 RTOs of project 21631 are planned (2 "Grad Sviyazhsk", "Uglich", already on trials); 6 RCA (3 projects 206, 3 projects 2141); 5 AKA (4 projects 1204, 1 project 1400M); 7 minesweepers and 6 DKA, plus the Bastion SCRC, which covers the entire Caspian Sea. Iran has 2 RCA of the La Combatant 2 project: Peykan and Joshuan with Chinese SCRCs, and the Shah's yacht Hamzekh, built in 1936, albeit with Chinese missiles, although in 2012 it was preparing to enter service 2 " destroyer ", class" Jamaran "(in fact, an Iranian copy of the British frigate" Vosper Mk.5, 70s, purchased under the Shah), armed with Chinese anti-ship missiles and a copy of American air defense systems, purchased under the Shah, but in the media about its commissioning has not been encountered, and the Caspian Sea is not such a large sea that the commissioning of a sufficiently large ship went unnoticed, although Iran, if necessary, can transfer there its light boats and small submarines of the "Gadir" type. Turkmenistan has only 2 MRK projects 1241.8 with "Mosquitoes", Kazakhstan has 2 rocket and artillery ships, rather armored boats and a dozen patrol boats. Of course, I understand that the Azerbaijani fleet is quite "ancient" (1 TFR project 159A, 5 RCA project 205, without missile weapons, although Azerbaijan is supposedly bought an Israeli I didn’t see the anti-ship missile “Gabriel 3”, but at least I didn’t see their photos on the Azerbaijani ships, even on Independence Day). And what kind of submarines? Mini-submarines, such as "Piranhas", which can be used to attack enemy ships and to carry out sabotage operations, with both hands for. Well, there are no large diesel-electric submarines such as 209, 214, project 877, 633, and again no. In such an enclosed reservoir as the Caspian, such a diesel-electric submarine looks like a great white shark in a village pond with gudgeons. Practically not a single target for which it is not a pity to spend a torpedo, especially in Iran. This is news from the same opera as the purchase of a destroyer from South Korea. Although one cannot but welcome the efforts of the Azerbaijani leadership to strengthen its navy. Yours faithfully! hi
  15. biglow
    biglow 3 September 2013 17: 23 New
    0
    such purchases are more like a desire to get rid of cash and get something more tangible for them than the numbers in the bank account