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Paints are erased, faces are dim, whether people, or dolls ...Residents of independent Ukraine became hostages and victims of agents of influence


The term "agent of influence" has ancient historical the roots. Initially, these were deeply classified people who were deported to neighboring tribes, cities, and communities in order to penetrate the highest echelons of power and undermine the power of rivals. Since then, little has changed. And this term has not lost its relevance in our days.

The Dulles Plan

In the Soviet Union, there were quite a lot of agents of influence, unfortunately, as well as the socialist countries of the Warsaw bloc. Thus, in Poland, Lech Walesa became a conductor for the interests of the CIA. But undermining the USSR has always been given the greatest influence.

This is how the future director of the CIA, A. Dulles, saw himself at the beginning of 1945: “The war will end, somehow everything will be settled, settled. And we will throw all that we have, all gold, all material aid or resources to fooling and fooling people. The human brain, the consciousness of people are capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we quietly replace their values ​​with false ones and make them believe in these false values. How? We will find our like-minded people, our assistants and allies in Russia itself. Episode by episode, the tragedy of the death of the most recalcitrant people on Earth, the final, irreversible extinction of their self-consciousness will be played out, grandiose in scale. From literature and art, for example, we will gradually eradicate their social essence, wean the artists, discourage them from being engaged in depicting, exploring, perhaps, those processes that occur in the depths of the masses. Literature, theater, cinema - everyone will depict and glorify the most base human feelings. We will in every way support and raise the so-called artists who will implant and grind into the human consciousness the cult of sex, violence, sadism, dissidence, in a word, of all immorality. In government we will create chaos and confusion ...

Honesty and decency will be ridiculed and no one needs, they will become a relic of the past. Rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, drunkenness, drug addiction, animal fear of each other and shamelessness, dissidence, nationalism and opposition of peoples - we will defuse and imperceptibly all this ...

We will shatter, thus, generation after generation ... We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will always rely on young people, we will decompose, corrupt, corrupt it. We will make of them the agents of our influence, the cosmopolitan of the free world. This is how we will do it. ”

Gorbachev and company

Unfortunately, these plans were fully implemented by the United States and its ideological allies. But still, the USSR had the opportunity to survive, if agents of influence had not penetrated to the highest echelons of power, and the most vivid example is the unforgettable M. Gorbachev, who exchanged our country for a condescending pat on the back of his "democratic" friends. There is no doubt that Mikhail Sergeevich was recruited as an agent of the influence of M. Thatcher, after one of the confidential conversations, when the “iron lady” pronounced that “you can deal with this person”. The West did not regret the praises for Gorbachev - so, he won the Nobel Prize, became the "best German". And his recent 80 anniversary, pompously marked in the UK and not very noticeable in the post-Soviet space, only proves once again that he has become his stranger, and what other assessment can there be of the political life of a strong Western influence agent. By the way, the same agents were Alexander Nikolaevich Yakovlev and Eduard Amvrosiyevich Shevardnadze, whom Gorbachev introduced into the top leadership of the country.

Yakovlev, being the USSR ambassador to Canada, spent his intoxicating days and nights in communication with Canadian Prime Minister Trudeau, forgetting to appoint a charge d'affaires, as required by the protocol. There is no doubt that the conditions for the recruitment of Yakovlev were ideal.

Shevardnadze inflicted tangible damage on the USSR, it was a super agent of influence. Having no experience in diplomatic work, he became Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR. He almost independently worked on disarmament of our country in favor of the United States. He did not inform other ministers about negotiations with representatives of foreign countries, as was customary earlier. He often spoke with US Secretary of State D. Baker, resorting only to the help of an American translator, without the presence of Soviet officials.

In December, 1989, during the Soviet-American summit in Malta, D. Baker shoved E. Shevardnadze into the pocket! The note wrote: "Opportunities lost as a result of military and economic assistance to foreign countries." There it was said about the expediency for the USSR to stop providing assistance to seven countries — Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Cuba, Ethiopia, Nicaragua, and Vietnam. And it was proposed instead to build a plant for the production of toothpaste, soap and other perfumes. This is the most real instruction agent influence. He even managed to make territorial concessions in favor of the United States when he signed an agreement on the transfer of more than 50 thousand square kilometers of the disputed shelf in the Bering Sea to them!

The West exulted: the work of its agents and multibillion-dollar investments aimed at undermining the USSR were not in vain. Then there was an unsuccessful attempt of the State Emergency Committee to restore the status quo, which caused a stir in the West, then rampant "democracy" and those "values" that Dulles wrote about in 1945, then a parade of sovereignties.

L. Kravchuk from the "hundred brave"

Our independence is rooted in the past, in the work of US intelligence and in their own funding. This independence is worthless on the market day, since we cannot afford to pursue a truly independent foreign policy. The country is sitting on a multi-vector twine, like an aged acrobat with numb muscles. We constantly need foreign investment. Geographically, we are divided into different territories, with different views, ideology and worldview. There is no unity of the nation, in western regions neo-fascism and nationalism flourish. A whole club of Bandera lovers entered the parliament. Where did these agents influence financial support? After all, on some theses you will not get far, we live in the material world.

Who signed the Bialowieza Agreement? Kravchuk, Shushkevich, Yeltsin. This trio, of course, finally dealt the final blow to the USSR. At that time, Yeltsin was also the favorite of the West and the ideal of the “democratic” forces of Russia. And our first president, Kravchuk, who was he?

He wasn't even to be recruited. After all, he had a wonderful childhood, he passed the forge of personnel in the OUN-UPA, was a member of the "hundreds of brave young men" who were at the department of special purpose. Young people were divided into three age groups: 10-12 years, 13-15 years and 16-18 years. All these age and gender groups had their own tasks, actions and demands. The youngest were used as observers, reconnaissance and liaison officers, the older ones were used as saboteurs. And just in the “hundred brave young men”, the future President of Ukraine Leonid Kravchuk began his “career” as a scout. This "brave young man", like many aspiring Bandera, throwing weaponHe became involved in party and Komsomol work, so that later, when the time came, strike inside. They conducted secretive subversive work aimed at discrediting the Soviet government and the Communist Party, creating a negative image of them at any opportunity. This person also belongs to the category of agents of influence, only in the USSR he was in the second echelon, and after Belovezhya he moved to the highest echelon.

With this man, Ukraine has lost everything that is possible. A rich, prosperous, industrially developed republic, with a powerful agricultural sector, a good network of highways and railways, river and sea ports, fleet, shipbuilding factories and a population of 52 million people were completely consciously immersed in the economic abyss. And nuclear weapons were also disposed of under US supervision. Just like the army and navy.

At the same time, he did not hesitate, constantly trying to convince everyone that Ukraine did not need a fleet. Plants are also not needed. In general, we do not need anything. Only independence - apparently, independence from common sense. It is not surprising that in the photographs of those years L. Kravchuk had a frozen, blissful smile to death: the dreams of Bander and Shukhevychs came true: the USSR collapsed, and Ukraine’s best friend is America. The best symbol of the Kravchuk epoch is a “Kravchuchka” car, and unfortunately, this agent of influence, unfortunately, did not abandon his task of finishing off what was left of Soviet Ukraine.

Dioxin Yushchenko and his wife

After him, L. Kuchma, who, fortunately, was not tied up by ideological and other ties with the “civilized” West, became president. When it came a certain illusion of balance, he did not knock at the western gates for a long time, and partnership with the Russian Federation was a priority in foreign policy. This, of course, did not fit into the American model of the existence of Ukraine. And the exit was found. Leonid Danilovich repeatedly then complained that "America imposed the prime minister on him." This is, of course, about the torch of the national democracy V. Yushchenko.

But if America imposed the prime minister on Yushchenko to Kuchma, then it imposed on us the future president, whose rating at the end of his inglorious reign was 1%, like kefir. We all remember the orange events of 2004 of the year, when all the agents of US influence manifested themselves in full force, proving that it was not for nothing that they had eaten their own bread all these years. The case of Yushchenko’s poisoning was completely falsified, his blood samples were secretly exported to the USA, where they were enriched with dioxin, and the flight for treatment in Austria was covered with a dark mystery.

And Yushchenko’s wife, Katherine Chumachenko (from the diaspora), according to some sources, is a US intelligence agent named Martha. The BP commission had an audio recording that testified to Martha’s contact with a representative of the US intelligence service, dated October 2004. Odessa Research Institute of Forensic Expertise at the Ministry of Justice concluded that the voice of "Martha" is identical to the voice of Katerina Chumachenko. What a little swing: a married couple of agents of US influence at the head of a whole country, an independent country ...

Yushchenko appointed V. Nalyvaichenko as head of the Security Service of Ukraine, and in 2008, the most terrible scandal broke out in Ukraine in connection with the fact that US intelligence officers were given full access to the secret and top secret materials of the Security Service of Ukraine. It came to the point that they were allocated office offices in the main office of the SBU on the street. Vladimirskaya, 33. The CIA ruled there like at home. This is the security service, this is the class! This is independence!

New-old faces

However, one should not think that America was nursed only by Kravchuk and Yushchenko with his wife “Martha”. She always looked at those on whom it would be possible to bet in the future.

So in 2009, US Vice President Joe Biden publicly called our "front-line soldier" A. Yatsenyuk a "promising politician," clearly letting everyone know that Washington supports this person. Just as in 2004, Washington supported Yushchenko.

Yatsenyuk has a lot in common with America. In addition to frequent visits to America, both personal and business, he has time to see his sister Alina Petrovna Steele, who lives in Santa Barbara, California, there. The relationship between Yatsenyuk and the famous American homosexualist Andrew Sullivan, the author of such books as “Essentially normal: the debate about homosexuality”, “Same-sex marriage: pro and contra”, “Lost love: notes about friendship, sex and survival” also raises many questions. Yes, with Arseny Petrovich, a lot is not clear, much causes questions, but one thing is certain: he is a man committed to the interests of the United States and the cause of "democracy."

But even more causes our new political star - Vitali Klitschko. It's no secret that Ukraine is in the zone of close attention of the CIA. And no party has any real political independence, except for the Communist Party of Ukraine. There is a question of financing this new political entity. Klitschko himself answered this question extremely vague and vague. They used their money, they helped the medium business, but I could not advertise them by name, it was very dangerous, the consequences could be, etc., etc. The thesis about using your money in the political struggle is naive and designed for people with very rich in imagination.

There is no doubt that the passage of "BLOW" to parliament was a rehearsal of the presidential election-2015, whose ultimate goal is Klitschko-president.

How was yesterday's boxer able to achieve a successful passage to BP in a short time, who was behind him? How did yesterday's boxer want to be president tomorrow? This is the plot for Andersen, although even for the great storyteller such a plot is too fantastic. From the ring to the presidential chair ... an incredible leap and unthinkable, if someone is not worth it, someone who knows how to jump right, where to get money for the needs of the party, who know PR technology, who is connected with international financial elites - for example, with the Rothschilds. With whom Pinchuk has a close relationship. And that with Klitschko also maintains a close relationship.

In the election race at the Kyiv City Council, Klitschko Sr. was advised by the former mayor of New York, Rudolf Giuliani and the mayor of Berlin, Klaus Wowereit. For a long time, the media discussed the topic of Klitschko’s links with one of the leaders of Kiev organized crime, Viktor Ivanovich Rybalko (Rybka). There were even published his pictures with the Klitschko brothers, made in New York. In May 2005 of the Year, “Rybka” was shot by unknown persons in the center of Kiev. Apparently, it was then that the brothers who provide our vaunted independence took up their business. The choice of our guardians fell on the eldest of the boxer brothers - Vitali Klitschko.

Klitschko's office and Interpipe's office are located in the same business center, and the ways of Pinchuk and Klitschko at social events and boxing fights intersect. Most likely, Pinchuk relies on Klitschko, and Klitschko received funding for the maintenance and organization of an election campaign throughout the country. Separate attention deserve the connection of Victor Pinchuk with George Soros. Soros himself is often accused of being the “wallet” of oppositions around the world. So, with a boxer who wants to become president, everything is also not clear and transparent.

Post Scriptum

In recent years, the years of independence, this is the period of control of the agents of influence of Ukraine. The country is shaking like a Foucault pendulum, no stops are foreseen. Because those who work out their content and high patronage are not at all interested in stability and order. In the muddy water, the fish is easier to catch, and if you put things in order, then there is no time to steal. And they, like puppets, obediently pull hands and feet, when puppeteers drive their chopsticks over their heads. It goes without saying that without sacrifices - for example, Yushchenko’s puppet turned from a US pet into a political corpse without a single chance for revival. But he does not cause pity - when one doll breaks, the puppeteers find new toys for themselves. It is a pity that we, ordinary citizens of independent Ukraine, become hostages and victims of these manipulations. The victims of someone else’s influence that is hostile to us.
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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 2 September 2013 07: 59
    11
    The sea is very worried, the Ukrainian little boat and strives to drown.
    1. krasin
      krasin 2 September 2013 08: 24
      +8
      The sea worries once, the sea worries two, the sea worries ......
      The consequences of the excitement are only .. fucking. winked
      1. domokl
        domokl 2 September 2013 08: 34
        13
        Quote: krasin
        The consequences of the excitement are only .. fucking. winked

        And why? Normal consequences for goat actions. I learned as a child that if you talk with a bully, then most often you will get the first blow. It’s easier to hit from the beginning, and then (as in the movie the American police act) to start educating.
        Probably, Ukraine should go through all humiliation, so that finally Ukrainians appear. Not those who speak, but those who will already be Ukrainian.
        1. krasin
          krasin 2 September 2013 09: 00
          +2
          Probably, Ukraine should go through all humiliation, so that finally Ukrainians appear. Not those who speak, but those who will already be Ukrainian


          If it weren’t for us later to take her to her hands and restore, then of course she’s fucking with her, she’ll be lost. But they are Slavs, and they don’t leave Russian friends no matter what, even after a fight, - hi drink vodka together!
          1. domokl
            domokl 2 September 2013 09: 13
            +4
            Quote: krasin
            If it weren’t for us to take it on hand and restore it,

            But this will not happen, alas, already. Ukraine, in the form that we know, is lost for us, and, it seems to me, It is very likely that it is lost for the Ukrainians.
            Everything goes well for Ukraine — we don’t need it. Everything goes bad — Ukraine will most likely fall apart according to the Yugoslav scenario. And then only part of the former country can go to Russia.
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 2 September 2013 13: 20
              +3
              Quote: domokl
              But this will not happen, alas, already. Ukraine, in the form that we know, is lost for us, and, it seems to me, It is very likely that it is lost for the Ukrainians.

              I agree.
              We lived together, together. But, by inertia.
              As in that family when the wife has long lived with another, and the husband closes his eyes for the time being.
              Such a time has passed.
              The time for parting has come.
          2. DEfindER
            DEfindER 2 September 2013 10: 27
            +9
            Quote: krasin
            If it weren’t for us then to take it to the hands and restore

            And so that this would not happen, the final destruction, we need not to be so passive and indifferent, Ukraine can and wants to integrate and build relations with Russia, but because of our indifference, those who need Ukraine only as a tool for the destruction of Russia are hosted there .. It’s clear that in the 90s we ourselves were led by an agent of influence .. but now we need to do something, like help the pro-Russian forces advance to power, we don’t even need money for it, only political will, and the return will be huge as Russia and Ukraine.
            1. MG42
              MG42 2 September 2013 10: 56
              +3
              Quote: DEfindER
              And so that this would not happen, the final destruction, we need not to be so passive and indifferent

              Same position >> Confucius said >> <Sit quietly on the river bank and the corpse of your enemy will float by>
              Quote: DEfindER
              Ukraine can and wants to integrate and build relations with Russia, but because of our indifference, those who are in charge of it are those who need Ukraine only as an instrument for the destruction of Russia.

              Part of Ukraine wants, part does not >> The West definitely does not want, the government does not want, only economic benefits
              Quote: DEfindER
              It is clear that in the 90s we ourselves were led by an agent of influence .. but now we need to do something, such as help the pro-Russian forces advance to power

              At the political Olympus of Ukraine, there are no pro-Russian forces in power now. KPU in a coalition with the ruling party of power. Purely pro-Russian Medvedchuk = Putin’s godfather and some marginal parties ..
              Quote: DEfindER
              even money is not needed for this, only political will, and the return will be huge both for Russia and Ukraine.

              very controversial >> money + polit. will = then the process is much faster bully
              1. densh
                densh 2 September 2013 11: 18
                +7
                If you wait too long, then your corpse may float past the enemy. hi
                1. MG42
                  MG42 2 September 2013 11: 29
                  +8
                  And what exactly is Russia doing now for rapprochement? if you look in more detail, with the help of Onishchenko you can’t drag Ukraine into the vehicle ..
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 2 September 2013 13: 22
                    +3
                    Quote: MG42
                    And what exactly is Russia doing now for rapprochement? if you look in more detail, with the help of Onishchenko you can’t drag Ukraine into the vehicle ..

                    A question to meet - what is Ukraine doing for rapprochement?
                    1. MG42
                      MG42 2 September 2013 13: 28
                      +3
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      Question towards

                      The question is answered by those who do not want to give a direct answer or do not have it, especially since the question was not for you .. as well as persons of a certain nationality .. bully
                      Quote: stalkerwalker
                      What is Ukraine doing for rapprochement?

                      If we are talking about rapprochement with Russia >> now only as an observer in the Customs Union ..
              2. DEfindER
                DEfindER 2 September 2013 13: 25
                +3
                Quote: MG42
                Part of Ukraine wants, part does not >> The West definitely does not want, the government does not want, only economic benefits

                I’m not sure if a handful of Natsiks screaming loudly in the West don’t want it, it doesn’t mean that everyone doesn’t want to, they would conduct a poll, I’m sure that even Lviv would be a majority for integration.
                Quote: MG42
                At the political Olympus of Ukraine, there are no pro-Russian forces in power now. KPU in a coalition with the ruling party of power. Purely pro-Russian Medvedchuk = Putin’s godfather and some marginal parties ..

                The problem is that real pro-Russian parties cannot get into power, because Does the West skillfully use their slogans of rapprochement with Russia to bring their wards? Apparently, we really need both monetary and informational support from us to real people's parties, as opposed to artificial entities being promoted with Western money ..
                1. MG42
                  MG42 2 September 2013 13: 39
                  +5
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  would have conducted a poll

                  Custom polls, the sample of respondents is easy to juggle
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  I am sure that even Lviv would be a majority for integration.

                  But I’m not sure that Lviv is for the EU, like Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk and others. There are plenty of those who go to work in that direction, and voting in all local elections eloquently confirms the vector ..
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  Apparently, we really need both monetary and informational support from us to real popular parties, as opposed to artificial entities being promoted with Western money ..

                  I agree. Just to not support empty chimes, there were a lot of them ..
                2. densh
                  densh 2 September 2013 14: 36
                  +3
                  That's what the conversation is about. The West without problems finances the parties and organizations it needs and is not shy. And why is Russia worse?
          3. Ivan Sirko
            Ivan Sirko 2 September 2013 20: 59
            -5
            First you need to pump up the handles, otherwise it’s not an hour and you can tear (bump).
            Better pass the law on the forced castration of Asians, because soon there will be no one to substitute handles.
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 2 September 2013 11: 05
          +5
          Ukrainian by citizenship or by blood? By blood does not work. Such a cocktail. From the Tungus and Zulus through the Slavs, Jews and Armenians, Georgian Turks and just Turks, Romanian Magyars, Western Donetsk. But just the former Soviet, covered with shit shit democracy, a bunch of traitors without a clan and tribe, the trays of our time.
  2. smart ass
    smart ass 2 September 2013 08: 21
    +8
    Because Ukraine is ruled by "rags" and venal "watchdogs". Tymoshenko, Yushchenko, etc., etc. .. the names are changed, the essence remains ..
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 09: 51
      +4
      Around the situation is not much better, look at the ruling elite of the Russian Federation, some agents of influence who sold their homeland at the expense of in London.
    2. AVV
      AVV 2 September 2013 10: 16
      +7
      People need to take power into their own hands !!!
      1. Makarov
        Makarov 2 September 2013 10: 39
        0
        yes, yes ... take and share everything
        1. wax
          wax 2 September 2013 11: 07
          +2
          There is nothing to take, only scraps can be divided.
  3. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 2 September 2013 08: 22
    +4
    Ukraine-like that Buridanov donkey. And the longer he stupidly stands between two haystacks, the greater the chance that he will die.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 September 2013 08: 27
    +9
    Ukraine does not need a fleet. Factories are also not needed. In general, we do not need anything. Only independence - apparently, independence from common sense.
    Along the way, this is the main slogan of Ukrainian politicians .. And soon it will finally come to life .. It is sad all this.
  5. domokl
    domokl 2 September 2013 08: 30
    +1
    And why doesn’t the author blame the Ukrainian squabbles of aliens? It would be quite feasible to write this as well. An agent of influence that advocates practically eliminating the country is nonsense. Absolutely nothing is supported by words.
    Although I also voiced the idea of ​​Klitschko to the president more than once. A really muddy person, but with real chances of being elected.
  6. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 2 September 2013 08: 30
    +5
    from the Don.
    Ukraine, Ukraine !!! In a stranger's eye you can see a mote .... What is going on with us !? What, GDP doesn’t know about this? I don’t believe it !!! Like a two-faced Janus !!!
    1. domokl
      domokl 2 September 2013 08: 40
      +3
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ... We have what's going on

      And what is going on with us? A flood in the Far East? Wow ... It’s difficult, but not fatal. People are getting out. There are no swell city people living in the Far East. It’s just necessary to help.
      As for the rest, we open abscesses, put money in the ass from behind a hill, strengthen the army, send the children to schools ... The revival and dying processes are a little different. Although both are painful.
  7. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 2 September 2013 08: 39
    +2
    Before the collapse of the Union, I was in Vinnitsa, a beautiful city, good people. Wall Street would have been washed away.
  8. Alex66
    Alex66 2 September 2013 08: 47
    +8
    Most of all in Putin's politics I am confused by his attitude towards Yeltsin, Gorbachev and other shit..krat. Most of the citizens of Russia consider them to be traitors, at best fools. I am very interested in why enemies cannot be called enemies and why they are even called "effective managers". What is there on the top, everything is so bad that the president cannot tell the truth, is afraid to get a "snuffbox" in his temple?
    Most likely this is one team that has been staged since the time of Gorbachev and which is putting on a play in front of us called "democracy".
    1. domokl
      domokl 2 September 2013 09: 09
      +3
      Quote: Alex66
      Most likely this is one team that has been staged since the time of Gorbachev and which is putting on a play in front of us called "democracy".

      It's amazing how you noticed it. Putin then, at the time, Yeltsin was nominated for the presidency. And he turned out to be in Sobchak’s team, probably not by chance.
      But how, please tell me, it was possible to fight the system? If in Russia even the slogan for idiots went beautifully in the presidential election - Vote with my heart ... That is why Putin’s first term was somewhat slurred. The team was too pressured, it was too dependent on the environment.
      1. Alex66
        Alex66 2 September 2013 16: 41
        +2
        But how, please tell me, could you deal with the system?
        It seems to you that Putin is fighting, i.e. takes people out of the system and changes them to their own, honestly it is not noticeable all the ministers go around in circles from place to place. We don’t sink Chubais “works” for the good, I don’t know whose (well, of course all rumors can be slander). Dmitry Anatolyevich also helps in the fight against the system. Why would Gorbachev receive the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called, well, they would give him a "veteran of labor", no, I don’t want to offend the veterans. There are a lot of doubts about the struggle between Putin and Medvedev, the impression is that they are playing bad-good, for the West, one good is another bad, for us the opposite. Everyone is expecting something from them, what are we, Putin will restore order in the country, the west is what Medvedev will democratize Russia. And what they really want (I do not think what to chop the cabbage) I do not understand.
  9. rereture
    rereture 2 September 2013 09: 01
    +9
    Dulles’s plan was never mentioned, how many people can be believed in this garbage for so many years?

    Here is an excerpt from the novel “Eternal Call” by Anatoly Ivanov, in the 1981 edition

    But it’s too numerous, perhaps, this damned Soviet people of yours ... Or it’s some special and incomprehensible ... And as a result of the war, it does not weaken, but becomes stronger, its fanaticism and faith in victory do not decrease, but increase. Hitler cannot understand this, and if he understood, he would somehow try to get out of the war. So, he is doomed, and his empire, his thousand-year Reich, on the eve of the collapse ... So, we need to act in a different way. Remember, of course, your Lenin once said: we will go the other way. I read somewhere or heard in a movie ... Well, a good phrase. So we will go another way. We will tear out these spiritual roots of Bolshevism, vulgarize and destroy the main foundations of popular morality. In this way we will shake generation after generation, weaken this Leninist fanaticism. We will take on people from childhood, youth, we will always make the main bet on young people, we will begin to corrupt, corrupt, and corrupt it! - Lakhnovsky's wrinkled eyelids quickly and often twitched, his eyes went round, they splashed, fierce fire flashed, he began to speak louder and louder, and at the end he literally cried out: “Yes, to corrupt!” Corrupt! We will make cynics, vulgarities, cosmopolitans of them!

    (...)

    - How to say, how to say: - Lakhnovsky shook his head ... Because your head is not filled with what, say, with me. You didn’t think about the future. The war will end - everything will somehow settle down, settle down. And we will throw everything that we have, with what we have: all the gold, all the material power to fool and fool people! The human brain, the consciousness of people is capable of change. Having sowed chaos there, we discreetly replace their values ​​with false ones and force them to believe in these false values! How do you ask? How?!

    Lakhnovsky, as he spoke, began again, for the umpteenth time, to become excited, to run around the room.

    - We will find our like-minded people: our allies and assistants in Russia itself! - shouted, cried out Lakhnovsky.

    (...)

    - I, Pyotr Petrovich, opened only the corner of the curtain to you, and you saw only a tiny piece of the scene on which episode after episode will be played out with a grandiose tragedy on the death of the most rebellious people on earth, on the final, irreversible extinction of his identity.



    Now replace the Soviet with Russian in the text and spell it with epithets.
    1. rereture
      rereture 2 September 2013 09: 12
      +3
      There is something similar to the so-called "Dulles Plan" in the United States. And it is called the "Rules of the Communist Revolution" in which everything is the same but adjusted for the United States.

      Who wants to get acquainted here is the link

      http://www.snopes.com/history/document/communistrules.asp

      A similar bike called "The Testament of Peter the Great" was also used in Europe (in Poland it still runs)

      Link

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%97%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%89%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
      %B5_%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D1%80%D0%B0_%D0%92%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0
      % BE
    2. Egoza
      2 September 2013 10: 39
      +7
      Quote: rereture
      Dulles’s plan was never mentioned, how many people can be believed in this garbage for so many years?

      You know, if a retired KGB colonel hadn’t told us about this at a lecture at the school of an international lecturer, and another well-known “internationalist”, Valentin Zlrin, would not support this opinion, I would agree with you. But the point is that it was back in the 60s !!! Now compare the year of publication of the book you are citing. So decisively declare that this is a myth .... maybe someone is profitable? To declare that this is a myth, and America, white and fluffy, never planned anything like this? fellow
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 3 September 2013 00: 01
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        Now compare the year the book was published,

        “We will indulge in drunkenness, gossip, denunciation; we will commit unheard of debauchery ... one or two generations of debauchery is now necessary; debauchery unheard of, vile, when a person turns into an ugly, cowardly, cruel, selfish scum ... ”(novel“ Demons ”, chapter 8).
        Why not a "plan"?
        Quote: Egoza
        maybe it is beneficial to someone? To say that this is a myth, and never America, white and fluffy, had planned anything like this?

        And where is fluffy America. Their quite realistic plans for the nuclear bombing of the USSR in the 50s have long been declassified and published. The most surprising thing is that it does not cause as much controversy and indignation as it does with a dubious "plan". Maybe the bombing plans simply lack a beautifully ominous literary "wrapper"? Again, the so-called "plan" is a very convenient thing to justify your own stupidity and laziness. Say, all our troubles are due to the damned, but brilliant Dulles and his devilish plan.
      2. rereture
        rereture 3 September 2013 00: 04
        0
        The fact is that it appeared in the 80s and not in the 60s.
        True, there is a directive NSC 20/1 which appeared in 1948, there is something similar there, but not much.
        Here is the translation
        http://www.sakva.ru/Nick/NSC_20_1R.html
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 2 September 2013 23: 42
      +1
      Quote: rereture
      Dulles’s plan was never mentioned, how many people can be believed in this garbage for so many years?

      I agree. It is enough just to read the text of the "plan". Goofy fiction. No document is written with such speech patterns.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 2 September 2013 23: 48
        0
        Well, they didn’t write a pre-election speech, it’s just a program recommended by analysts that bears not even a recommendation, but just an information character, so there is no bilithristics. M. Arthur won seriously reported and insisted on its corruption in terms of 80 ya The Soviet Union calmed down the warrior by force. So this is in the style of US politicians.
  10. Sonik
    Sonik 2 September 2013 09: 06
    +2
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    The sea is very worried, the Ukrainian little boat and strives to drown.

    In this case, we are talking not only about Ukraine, but also Russia, as well as all countries, without exception, in the same ticks. So this jerking is not permissible.
  11. Vtel
    Vtel 2 September 2013 09: 11
    +3
    5th column in the 5th corner and walled up, Schaub did not smell more. The external enemy is not so terrible as that fake friend - a cockroach, living and living at your expense and betraying you.

    “And the Lord will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; and he will set the sheep on his right hand, and the goats - on the left... Then the King will say to those who are on His right side: Come, blessed of My Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world ... "
  12. Kolya
    Kolya 2 September 2013 09: 12
    +6
    The Kremlin’s bet on Yanukovych during the Orange Revolution was a failure. Now it has become obvious what kind of bird this Yanukovych is with the Party of Regions and where he leads Ukraine. In 2004, there simply was no choice for a voter in Ukraine, one was a bandit and the other a traitor. And the voter was more afraid of the bandit. Today, it is partly Russia's fault that Ukrainians can make a suicidal choice towards Europe.
    1. sincman
      sincman 2 September 2013 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Kohl
      The Kremlin’s bet on Yanukovych during the Orange Revolution was a failure. Now it has become obvious what kind of bird this Yanukovych is with the Party of Regions and where he leads Ukraine. In 2004, there simply was no choice for a voter in Ukraine, one was a bandit and the other a traitor. And the voter was more afraid of the bandit.

      I support 100%. At the very same exact same thoughts. did not vote for Yanukovych in 2004 only for these reasons ... And in principle, the two-faced Janus confirmed this with his policy after being elected president that the pro-Russian people did not vote for him in vain in 2004! All the scum inside was visible even then ...
      1. MG42
        MG42 2 September 2013 11: 04
        +3
        Quote: sincman
        . And in principle, the two-faced Janus confirmed this with his policy after being elected president that the pro-Russian people did not vote for him in vain in 2004! All the scum inside was visible even then

        And who did they vote for? For Yushchenko an American agent? wassat
        No, they voted for Yanukovych, here's an example Russian language >> promised to make the second state language, and as a result, the status of a regional language. Promise = not marry ..
        1. densh
          densh 2 September 2013 11: 34
          +4
          He voted not for Yanukovych, but against the “Pomeranchevs.” Like most of my friends. They hoped that he would deal with the matter, rather than a constant squabble like Yushch and Tymoshenko.
          1. MG42
            MG42 2 September 2013 11: 41
            +2
            Quote: densh
            He voted not for Yanukovych, but against the Pomeranchevs, like most of my friends.

            Well, this is a typical story, you have chosen = now enjoy the <life of a person> today from Yanukovych, by the way, the recycling fee for imp. auto and limitation of payment in cash, I did not go to the polls, there was no one to choose from ..
            1. densh
              densh 2 September 2013 14: 47
              0
              It’s easiest to do nothing. Then you can with a pure heart
              to judge about ,, now enjoy ,,. at that moment Janek
              was a lesser evil.
              1. MG42
                MG42 2 September 2013 15: 07
                +2
                Quote: densh
                It’s easiest to do nothing. Then you can with a pure heart
                judge pro ,, now enjoy ,,

                Yes, enjoy it for the lohtorat of Yanukovych, it's bad that I will have to "enjoy" with you, because I live in Ukraine
                I just carefully read the biography of Yanukovych .. bully
                Quote: densh
                At that time, Janek
                was a lesser evil.

                here they are friends together >>
                1. densh
                  densh 2 September 2013 15: 36
                  +2
                  I don’t think that with Tymoshenko’s victory, the situation in Ukraine at the moment
                  It would have been different. It was just then that illusions remained at the expense of Yanukovych.
                2. berimor
                  berimor 2 September 2013 17: 11
                  +2
                  And you would carefully read the biographies of the other brothers in mind, and I studied them well, unfortunately, I often had to touch on work. I’ve never met a greater success than the caulked and mermaid with a scythe !!!!!!
                  And today, you see, again this diarrhea foam climbs into power!
                  1. MG42
                    MG42 2 September 2013 20: 21
                    +3
                    Quote: berimor
                    And you would carefully read the biographies of the other brothers in mind, and I studied them well, unfortunately, I often had to touch on work. I’ve never met a greater success than the caulked and mermaid with a scythe !!!!!!

                    I haven’t whitened a USchenko anywhere in my posts wink
                    As for Tymoshenko, she sits more precisely, lies under the supervision of jailers ..
                    As for Yanukovych, they probably read about 2 criminal convictions under the USSR ..
                    How do you like that? >>

                    Yanukovych inherited an unpleasant story with a “police badge” from his father. According to the pre-election biography of Viktor Yanukovych published in 2004, his father, Fedor Vladimirovich, went to the front, where he was seriously wounded. And that’s all.

                    They managed to open the secret of his father with some archival documents, which give reason to believe that Fedor Yanukovych, either after recovering from his wounds, or after desertion, collaborated with the Nazi occupiers.

                    Neslovohotliv Viktor Fedorovich and about his paternal grandfather.
                    According to family tradition, and from Viktor Fedorovich himself, it is known that the family came from the village of Yanuki in the Vitebsk region of Belarus. It is difficult to verify this version today - during the Great Patriotic War, the invaders utterly burned the village, and the residents were shot.

                    Other sources claim that the grandfather of Viktor Yanukovych, Vladimir Petrovich Yanukovych served in the Civil War in the White Guard units, upholding the ideals of autocracy with a saber in his hand. At the head of the punitive detachment, he carried out cleansing operations in Ukrainian villages, who dared not to recognize Soviet power


                    http://borisserdyk.livejournal.com/85210.html

                    http://old.sprotiv.org/?cat=articles&id=1249210500
                    1. densh
                      densh 2 September 2013 21: 00
                      0
                      He commanded the punitive in the rank of headquarters captain?
                      1. MG42
                        MG42 2 September 2013 21: 08
                        0
                        You need to correctly formulate your question for a start .. There we are talking about grandfather Vladimir Petrovich and father Fedor Vladimirovich ..
                      2. densh
                        densh 2 September 2013 22: 17
                        0
                        As you wrote, so I read hi
                  2. felix
                    felix 29 December 2013 08: 28
                    0
                    The apple never falls far from the tree
            2. berimor
              berimor 2 September 2013 17: 04
              +2
              Absolutely right! All these caulked, rabbits, squint-carriers were no longer perceived without emetic colic
              1. densh
                densh 2 September 2013 19: 38
                +1
                I noticed an interesting feature all over the world. The democratic opposition comes to power and after a while such a bickering begins
                for the feeder, at least take out the saints. The trend, however. what
            3. MG42
              MG42 3 September 2013 15: 35
              +1
              Quote: densh
              At that time, Janek
              was a lesser evil.

              What islesser evil> / It is evil in Africa EVIL. What a smaller or larger story will only show .. When Yushche was chaos because the formula is weak president is strong prime minister, the orange could not steer there was no unity of command, even NATO could not miserable attempts failed. Now under Janek a tough vertical of power. These can be brought to Europe to protect their capital from the Russian oligarchs, their loot is stored there ..
              By the way, I listened to Yanuk’s speech in the Rada yesterday = the course has already been taken ...
        2. Val_y
          Val_y 2 September 2013 13: 33
          +3
          Like everyone else, they voted not for the Yanyka, but against the "fascists", although now it is not clear who is who.
        3. felix
          felix 29 December 2013 08: 22
          0
          And what kind of business did you think ZEK would do. He knows how to steal, "breed". What is busy for now. Shame and shame, zechara commands the officers.
    2. berimor
      berimor 2 September 2013 16: 54
      +3
      Indeed, there was no choice. Over the years, I have been voting for PR all the time just because they at least somehow resisted the Bandera wave that is sweeping Ukraine! Now it’s even worse with the choice. Well, there is no leader in Ukraine who would not look back at the USA and Europe. And all this oppositional camarilla of rabbit-Yatsenyuk, banderlog-Tyagnibok, Neanderthal Klitschko, Lyuli-Yuli only sleeps and sees how to spread his legs wider in front of Uncle Sam. We have already seen all this, although many bitten by these insects are already poisoned and can’t see anything around them. For them, black is white and that's all. West rubs the pens! Russian politicians also constantly add fuel to this fire. Look at least the last interview Zhirinovsky. In the west of Ukraine they already jumped for joy, that there is still something to decorate your slogans with! But this is not an ordinary resident and not even an ordinary diplomat, but, as they say in politics, a test ball squinting under a buffoon, but there are no fools here!
  13. Far East
    Far East 2 September 2013 13: 34
    +1
    Quote: Kohl
    one was a gangster and the second a traitor.

    and right now they will have a SUPER boxer! laughing angry hi
  • Zhylaw
    Zhylaw 2 September 2013 09: 34
    10
    Things association of countries such as Ukraine in the European Union are very simple.
    I can say this with a clear conscience, because I saw with my own eyes how the system works.

    The West as a whole does not need the countries of Eastern Europe, with the possible exception, perhaps, of a market and source of skilled and relatively cheap labor. Countries such as Bulgaria were admitted to the European Union and NATO for political reasons - only to be cut off from Russia. Absolutely the same with Ukraine.
    Elites are corrupt, people are corrupting Hollywood movies. They promise rivers of honey and butter. Intentionally and systematically irradiated population propaganda against the country's own history, against Russia and the USSR. Of course, not all people become zombies, but there are enough of them. Unfortunately, young people who do not remember CMEA are particularly susceptible.
    Once in the tentacles of jellyfish, the country is doomed to plunder the Western monopolies in all spheres of economic activity. Under the pretext of "harmonizing" markets, local companies are forced to leave their markets. Of course, what remains of local companies after the privatization of this toxic treatment for neoliberalism.
    I can read a long list of concrete examples, but the meaning of this is hardly here and now. In addition, suppose that many will object to me, and not without reason, that we ourselves are to blame.
    Pay attention to one thing - how Bulgaria was moved to the EU, and Ukraine will be connected without asking the people in a referendum. I am sure of that.
  • Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 2 September 2013 09: 50
    0
    .... And whose agent is Yanukovych ?? Mafias from New Jersey? )) "President" - without a voluminous dossier "on yourself" DO NOT BECOME. And this means - many bad deeds committed earlier - on the way to a career pedestal))
    1. MG42
      MG42 2 September 2013 11: 10
      +2
      Quote: Jet blackbird
      And whose agent is Yanukovych ?? Mafia from New Jersey? )

      Donetsk rule ..
    2. Gecko
      Gecko 2 September 2013 14: 15
      +3
      He is not an agent, he is just a slave to his money that lies in Western banks ...
  • Renat
    Renat 2 September 2013 10: 17
    +5
    Dallas Speech - Devil's Bible.
  • Egoza
    2 September 2013 10: 34
    +3
    "But the opposition of Vadim Kolesnichenko sounded openly. The People's Deputy does not intend to vote for the European integration laws, in particular, the one aimed at protecting the rights of sexual minorities, and insists that his bill on the abolition of the course towards European integration be voted on. Otherwise, Kolesnichenko will withdraw from faction. Well, Vadim is at least consistent in upholding his principles, which has long been a novelty in our country. "
    In general, a very interesting article "Play the week. Oh my God, what a man ...", where the current leaders are sorted out and not only before the start of a new session of BP.
    author - Nura N. Berg, especially for Polemic
    http://polemika.com.ua/article-125701.html#title
    Read, it is very interesting for those who are worried about Ukraine.
    1. MG42
      MG42 2 September 2013 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: Egoza
      Otherwise, Kolesnichenko will quit the faction. Well, Vadim, at least, is consistent in upholding his principles, which has long been a curiosity in us

      As the magic arm of Chechetov waves in the Rada, they will vote in the party of regions ..
    2. felix
      felix 29 December 2013 08: 43
      0
      I think that if Kolesnichenko leaves the faction, then Markov’s fate awaits him. But instead of crackers will eat their conti in jail. Who will tell whose puppet he is, Yanukovych, Akhmetov or Putin?
  • riding
    riding 2 September 2013 10: 52
    +4
    If Russia loses Ukraine, it will be a strong blow to the Russian Federation. True, Ukraine is also unlikely to win. And agents of influence in Russia are still sitting in high offices.
  • Micex
    Micex 2 September 2013 11: 03
    +3
    Actually, the thoughts are identical - if Klitschko becomes president, he will completely drag Ukraine into the EU. And that’s all - until the next war Ukraine will remain there, in the backyards, regrettably.
  • wax
    wax 2 September 2013 11: 14
    +3
    Ukraine is moving towards disintegration: historical roots and traditions will still have their say. Although such a scenario is undesirable for the Orthodox, it is quite acceptable for the West.
    1. Egoza
      2 September 2013 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: Wax
      historical roots and traditions will still have their say.

      Pay attention to this article. very sensibly written!
      Carpatho-Russian thought and the Eurasian vector of Ukraine
      Information about the possible accession of Kiev to the Customs Union, and in the future the Eurasian Union, forces one to pay attention to the forgotten, but no less relevant page of Ukrainian history - the legacy of the Galician Russophiles (they are Carpathians).
      What is the Carpatho-Russian ideology? In short, its essence is that the Russians (Great Russians), Ukrainians (Little Russians) and Belarusians represent one all-Russian people, divided by artificial borders. Today, in the “Square”, this thesis causes fierce debate, but relatively recently it was not so.
      Let us illustrate what was said with a quote from the story of the Bukovinian author Vasily Petseychuk “The missing son. “The Life of the Russian People on Pokutty”, published in the USA in 1928 at the expense of the Carpathian-Russian emigration. V. Petseychuk tells the story of a poor Galician family of Peter and Tatiana. One of his sons, Nikolai, Peter, considering himself a Russian, sends to study in Russia. At this moment, the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-1905 begins. Nikolai volunteers for the Russian army and dies near Port Arthur.
      In Galicia, Ukrainophile propaganda funded by the Austrians is growing. Under her influence falls the youngest son of Peter, Yuri (the same "missing son"). When he tells his father that he considers himself a Ukrainian, he angrily replies: “You are a traitor to the Russian people ... you have denied the Russian people, thereby having denied me too, because I am a Rusyns from my great-grandfathers-great-grandfathers ... Then there was not a word about Ukrainians. If you are Ukrainian - you are not my son, and leave the hut - I will not tolerate a traitor in the hut. "

      http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikukr/208118-karpato-russkaya-mysl-i-evraziysk
      iy-vektor-ukrainy.html
  • shinobi
    shinobi 2 September 2013 12: 49
    +1
    Yushchenko, this is the Ukrainian Gorbachev. That’s what Yeltsin is now. The next will be the equivalent of Putin, well, adjusted for the state. And as if not from the siloviki too. By the way, in vain the author runs into Klitschko.
  • wulf66
    wulf66 2 September 2013 13: 56
    +4
    The split in the Slavic world goes along the vectors of influence of the Orthodox and Catholic churches. That part of the Slavs whom the Vatican reached out to will probably never be with Russia. And the split in Ukraine takes place on the same principle.
    1. densh
      densh 2 September 2013 15: 17
      +1
      Not quite so. In Ukraine there is also an “independent” Ukrainian Orthodox Church not subordinate to the Moscow Patriarchate. Having received support from Yushchenko at one time, it occupies a strong position in society and supports
      raises the idea of ​​independence. Although in my opinion, here too everything rests on ,, grandmas ,, -
      did not share kickbacks and drinks. wink
      1. Egoza
        2 September 2013 17: 21
        +2
        Quote: densh
        Although in my opinion here everything rests on ,, grandmas ,, -

        Not certainly in that way. They violated all generally accepted church LAWS. If they really wanted "independence" from the Moscow Patriarchate, they were obliged to "submit an application", they would have been imposed a penance, and then elections would have been called ... And so "he wanted and appointed himself patriarch." Therefore, the Kiev Patriarchate is not recognized in the world. Even the Vatican is against him (and then suddenly who wants to follow the example and will be "Pope of Spain, Pope of France"). In addition, there is also an autocephalous Ukrainian church. But the majority still remain adherents of the Moscow Patriarchate. even in the villages - the "squabblers" could not get through
        1. densh
          densh 2 September 2013 20: 23
          +2
          Madam hi autocephalous church I mean. It arose after the collapse
          USSR. And do not be naive - the Republic of Ichkeria also did not submit petitions to Moscow.
          And the Vatican, the worse we have, the better for him. And since when did the Vatican recognize us, with such success we should be worried about the opinion of the Dalai Lama about Orthodoxy.
          Although, the Vatican organization is very powerful and undeservedly forgotten against the background of global players. stopAnd the reports on the seizure of churches,
          which were covered by, orange, Kiev, I still remember.
          1. Egoza
            2 September 2013 21: 02
            0
            Quote: densh
            And the Vatican, the worse we have, the better for him.

            I do not argue, you are right. But even such an "organization" as the Vatican did not dare to support the Kiev Patriarchate, which arose already under the "Independent"
            1. densh
              densh 2 September 2013 22: 25
              +1
              For their own needs, the Vatican in Ukraine has a Greek Catholic church,
              also very strengthened. So, he doesn’t really need the Kiev schismatics.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 2 September 2013 14: 06
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Wax
    historical roots and traditions will still have their say.

    Pay attention to this article. very sensibly written!
    Carpatho-Russian thought and the Eurasian vector of Ukraine
    Information about the possible accession of Kiev to the Customs Union, and in the future the Eurasian Union, forces one to pay attention to the forgotten, but no less relevant page of Ukrainian history - the legacy of the Galician Russophiles (they are Carpathians).
    What is the Carpatho-Russian ideology? Briefly, its essence is that the Russians (Great Russians), Ukrainians (Little Russians) and Belarusians represent one all-Russian people, divided by artificial borders ... ".
    http://oko-planet.su/politik/politikukr/208118-karpato-russkaya-mysl-i-evraziysk
    iy-vektor-ukrainy.html

    Good afternoon, dear Elena!

    You are absolutely right remembering about Rusyns (Carpathian nationality, as well as their second name Russian people, this is the same thing / Transcarpathian region.), which have been living for many centuries in the Ukrainian Carpathians, in the east, south and west of the Carpathian ridge. It is necessary for accuracy to add that in the north and east of the Carpathian Range live brisk и lemki (Ivano-Frankivsk, Lviv, Chernivtsi regions).
    Now Ruthenians / Rusnaks live in Transcarpathian Ukraine, Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, post-Yugoslavia, Canada, USA, Australia and other countries.

    By the way, I already wrote here that in Hungarian the nationalities RUSSIAN and RUSIN are spelled the same ("OROSZ" / ОРОС_readable).

    My late father had such a record in his certificate for I do not remember exactly which class was from the Hungarian school (1939-1944). And in the certificates from the Rusyn school from the 1st Czechoslovak Republic (existed 1918-1939), his nationality / "narodnost" was in 3 languages ​​(in Czech and Slovak it is written in Latin / diacritics / "RUSÍN" / RUSIN and in Rusyn in Cyrillic is also RUSIN).

    And the Carpathian (sub-Carpathian in the ChSFR) RUSSIANS themselves have their roots from the Rus since the time the Russians settled the Carpathians themselves.
  • Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 2 September 2013 14: 38
    +4
    Good afternoon! The article is certainly a test. It remains only to add that, unfortunately, the fate of Ukraine after the collapse of the Union is typical. All post-Soviet countries, including Russia, are on a leash. The question is only the leash is long ... The only exception is Belarus, but here the merit is not only But father, but also substantial assistance to Russia, helping to preserve the Lukashenko model. Belarus will not last long without the help of Russia. Alexander 1958
  • Peaceful military
    Peaceful military 2 September 2013 14: 57
    0
    "... you don't need a knife for a fool, you lie to him with three boxes and do whatever you want with him."
    Brothers of Ukrainians, in the person of their passionary part, and in fact the stupid part, were fooled by flatteringly lying to them that they are ancient, proud Ukrainians, almost the founders of European civilization and that they are eagerly awaited in the EU, that the EU without them is Defective GayEurope.
    BUT!
    As the wisest old man Solomon Davidovich used to say: "There is nothing new ...". So, the gentlemen are fighting, and the forelocks of the slaves are cracking. This, as it was about the Ukrainians, will be so. sad
    1. densh
      densh 2 September 2013 17: 41
      +3
      During a panic fight, forelocks crack at the lackeys of any nationality. Tales about protoucres pass through the departments of Fomenko and Novodvorskaya and were not popular among the people — there is common sense, but there are schizos.
      They promised the people a lot of things for free and talked about the extra mouths that
      we feed. Russians, and you do not have such conversations?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 2 September 2013 18: 58
        +5
        Quote: densh
        .Russians, and you do not have such talk?

        Not without it.
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 3 September 2013 22: 26
      0
      Quote: Peaceful military
      Brothers of Ukrainians, in the person of their passionary part, and in fact the stupid part, were fooled by flatteringly lying to them that they are ancient, proud Ukrainians, almost the founders of European civilization and that they are eagerly awaited in the EU, that the EU without them is Defective GayEurope.
      Your political school, everything speaks for you, try the courses of welders-NAKS, the salary is from 80 thousand. but it’s necessary to work, and not to make the sound of the tongue! And you, as I understand it, is the leader. Go ahead, eagles, and I am after you.
  • kind
    kind 2 September 2013 15: 03
    +2
    Recently I was on vacation in the Crimea. August 24 was the Independence Day of Ukraine, the day passed so-so, like a regular Saturday. Joy on the faces of Crimeans, and even more so, I did not see any festive events.
  • Alexander 1958
    Alexander 1958 2 September 2013 15: 04
    +2
    Quote: Peaceful military
    "... you don't need a knife for a fool, you lie to him with three boxes and do whatever you want with him."
    Brothers of Ukrainians, in the person of their passionary part, and in fact the stupid part, were fooled by flatteringly lying to them that they are ancient, proud Ukrainians, almost the founders of European civilization and that they are eagerly awaited in the EU, that the EU without them is Defective GayEurope.
    BUT!
    As the wisest old man Solomon Davidovich used to say: "There is nothing new ...". So, the gentlemen are fighting, and the forelocks of the slaves are cracking. This, as it was about the Ukrainians, will be so.

    What you write about Ukrainians is difficult to refute, but, in my opinion, if you replace the word Ukrainians with the word Estonians in your post, the message will be just as true, adjusted for scale.
    1. Peaceful military
      Peaceful military 2 September 2013 16: 16
      +1
      Yes and no.
      Our titular yell that they, although the most ancient, but, in its current form, are produced, rightfully the first night by the Danes, Germans and Swedes. Therefore, they are European civilization. hi
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 2 September 2013 16: 33
        +3
        Mordva is a distant relative of Estonians since also left the Finno-Ugric language family.
        This is the same Mordva, which Ukrainians often mention when speaking about Russia, that we are not Slavs already.
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 2 September 2013 17: 29
        +1
        Quote: Peaceful military

        Our titular yell that they, although the most ancient, but, in its current form, are produced, rightfully the first night by the Danes, Germans and Swedes. Therefore, they are European civilization. hi

        Your title is far from Svidomo. Those generally claim to be descended from the Venusians, and the first camel was tamed in the vicinity of Kiev.
        1. densh
          densh 2 September 2013 23: 03
          +2
          I confirm that such an opus appeared in a tabloid newspaper in the early 90s. The question of the origin of the Ukrainian language, roofing felts from Adam, roofing felts from colonists from Venus was examined. wassat
  • vikov
    vikov 2 September 2013 15: 04
    +2
    “It's a pity that we, ordinary residents of independent Ukraine, become hostages and victims of these manipulations. Victims of alien, hostile influence.”

    And the article about not alien, not hostile influence will be? repeat at least for comparison.
    1. berimor
      berimor 2 September 2013 17: 21
      0
      Ah, well done! Well, very beautiful!
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 2 September 2013 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: vikov
      And the article about not alien, not hostile influence will be? at least for comparison.
      30 years later, we find out the truth, but for now, only speculation.
  • ran nearby
    ran nearby 2 September 2013 15: 23
    +4
    To my dear neighbors. It is propaganda and propaganda in Africa. And, if the leadership of the Russian Federation declares that Ukraine is "fraternal", then it would be nice to back up their words with deeds. And so .... the price of gas, problems with cooperation in the aircraft industry, trade wars - the situation on the border, and the apotheosis - "Russian" Onischeko as weapons of mass destruction. :)
    Not, everything is correct. If we do not want to be in the TS, then how can we normally talk to us? Current in the face. :) Sobsno I have nothing against it either. Toka "you can't be cute by force"
    And the article is certainly correct. I almost agree. Only now the nickname is wet in vain. The first Ukrainian politician who honestly earned his money.
    Well then takee. And Janek will remain the President. however regrettable it is :(
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 2 September 2013 16: 05
      +3
      For 22 years all your presidents promised to be with Russia, but starting from the first, everyone played their game, and at that time Russia supplied gas for 40-50 USD, access to the Russian market without VAT, duties and excises and other customs difficulties. But only when it became 100% clear where Ukraine was heading, Russia threatened to resolve preferences, first for gas, now duty-free access to the Russian market. In fact, Russia funded the Ukrainian betrayal, but there is already a demand for it from others. At first there was a carrot now a whip, but a person’s ability to remember only bad.
      Klitschko will not refuse to move to the EU because he is a "citizen of the world", that is, will live where it is profitable, and keeps money in foreign currency.
      Anglo-Saxons are kept together by England, the USA, Australia, etc., and the Slavs pitted us against each other.
    2. Egoza
      2 September 2013 17: 28
      +1
      Quote: next to run
      Only now the nickname is wet in vain. The first Ukrainian politician who honestly earned his money.

      Money is money, but where is the brain? Since he supports the Bandera supporters, justifies their "struggle with the Soviets", refuses to come up and remember those who were shot in Babi Yar (and there are people from his family there) - excuse me, he is a scum. IMHO.
      1. ran nearby
        ran nearby 2 September 2013 20: 33
        +1
        And these are our national characteristics. In the west, the same voters live. So ANY politics of an all-Ukrainian scale has to weigh their curtsies.
        Personally, I strongly disagree with this. But they didn’t ask me as they were.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 2 September 2013 21: 13
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        Since he supports the Bandera supporters, justifies their "struggle with the Soviets", refuses to come up and remember those who were shot in Babi Yar (and there are people from his family there) - excuse me, he is a scum. IMHO.
        Do not put everything in one heap, In Babi Yar, the Nazis shot the Jews, the inhabitants of Kiev. And who, and never did not justify this !!!!! And especially Klitschko. Think about what you write.
    3. berimor
      berimor 2 September 2013 17: 30
      +4
      I partially agree, put +, but about the nickname I would really, really think. Yes, he earned his pennies himself, with his fists and a strong jaw, but look carefully, his money for the party and the money of the small gesheftman that passed to Rada would not be enough. The alignment is not the same. But many accused Yanukovych of the robber youthful past (he is also not very nice to me), but they don’t notice something about the gangster past of our BOXER of all time!
      1. densh
        densh 2 September 2013 19: 52
        +2
        And there’s also a beer company that Klitschki built, from scratch, with his own hands,
        true ,,. FOUNDING FATHER, damn it wassat
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 2 September 2013 17: 57
    +3
    The CIA works well. And yet, there are people who still believe all these politicians or traitors after more than twenty years. I wonder if there is a limit to human naivety and stupidity.
  • NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 2 September 2013 18: 58
    +1
    I liked this: ordinary people of INDEPENDENT Ukraine. Read and forget about Ukraine .....
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 3 September 2013 22: 18
      0
      Quote: NOBODY BUT US
      I liked this: ordinary people of INDEPENDENT Ukraine. Read and forget about Ukraine .....
      And why, no name, no where do you live? Gulchat-open in person.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 2 September 2013 21: 03
    +2
    Finally, we realized that Ukraine is better than an enemy, together we fought with the Nazis, and now we pour sand into each other ... we’re pouring in. Until it’s too late, we must unite, and not to each other’s pocket. lard, milk. Bush’s legs are good ...