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Cossack ear

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Greetings to all categorically!


FOOT AND STEP. True beautiful phrase, colleagues? To my great regret, I did not group them into such a beautiful, intriguing and capacious phrase. This was done by our compatriot, many well-known and very deservedly respected writer Valentin Pikul. And he dedicated his novel under such a title to the Russian military and diplomatic elite of the past centuries, who made a titanic effort to exalt Russia and served its Fatherland until the end of its days.

Cossack ear


And here are some interesting historical parallels were inspired by recent events around Syria and Obama's broadcast and irresponsible statements about possible US attacks against Damascus.

But first, let's make a short summary of the facts and events on this situation.

We all remember the events of the democratic interventions of the Western coalition countries led by the United States against Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. The schemes according to which these countries were actually ravaged by the NATO countries were tested and ground precisely on them, and then, having believed in their infallibility, the West began to apply them lately right and left, wreaking havoc throughout the Middle East. And schemes like unseasonable ones are a massive processing of public opinion (especially massed towards the citizens of their countries), making a gang of people willing to profit by leaning on an obviously weaker opponent, feeding collaboratively-minded geeks inside the country — a future victim, creating a “government in exile” or another “legitimate” riff-raff office, which includes the most frostbitten and greedily thirsting for power scum and now, this whole “bouquet” of world public opinion, as the only a bright and inevitable path to enter the bright path of democratic prosperity.

Just “ordinary and topical”, the Syrian epic began two years ago, but the well-worn scheme failed and a number of factors unforeseen for Obama began to grow, like a snowy one. Growing, growing and rolling to the fact that in a hysterical fit, Obama, to the great joy of the McCain and other poor American senators, announced his desire to pobombi Syria in "educational purposes." Looks like in the struggle for human rights all over the world and the choice of means of this struggle, the Nobel laureate completely slate has broken that he could not formulate anything more sensible in favor of his financial patrons.

But now this desire unexpectedly came across a reciprocal desire, before the silenceless masses of the common people, to prevent humanitarian bombardment. And this reciprocal desire was not so easy to ignore. You see, the hour is not even, everything is limited for Obama only by his Wishlist, and common sense will prevail in the policy of the White House, which has not been observed for more than a decade in recent years.

And now about the historical parallels mentioned earlier ... Russia has already encountered similar situations over its history and has adequately found a solution to the most sophisticated issues. This happened at the turn of the 17 - 18 centuries, when Russia had to wage war not on one or two, but on three or four fronts at once. It was at that time that the Russian Empire smashed the Turkish fleet in its desire to establish itself on the Black Sea. It was then that Russia’s long-standing foe - England indirectly, through assistance to the Turkish Sultan, waged a struggle against a growing Russia, after the capture of Ochakov by Russian troops, this struggle began to go into the open phase. But by that time, Russia was just pushing the Swedes in the skull, pushing them away from St. Petersburg and this served as a signal for another “civilized European country” to start the hostilities against Russia - Prussia. A difficult situation arose for Rus war on two fronts. This is where English politicians saw their finest hour. The former, in fact, dictator, then in power Count William Pitt the Younger set out to strike at Russia in the Black Sea. And everything went along the rut; and the parliament supported this vile undertaking, and “approvals!” were received from a number of European states and money was ...

It was here that Russian diplomats led by Count Vorontsov played their part! Playing on lobbying sentiments in the ruling political groupings in London, using the banal greed and greed of these politicians in the letter of Peers, preparing public opinion through written mailings to many key figures of the political establishment, Russian diplomats achieved that Pitt was forced to stop the straggling fighting machine and this made it possible Russia to solve all its foreign policy problems in the future.

This is the strength and essence of the work of diplomats. Vorontsov, speaking of the role of diplomacy, spoke as follows: “Sometimes we are paid for a few words uttered in a whisper, and sometimes they are showered with gold for our silence. Such is the profession of a diplomat! ”

All this, colleagues, we have the opportunity to observe these days, when we see how the usual clichés on the intervention of countries break down with public opinion, which was dormant before.

One of the respected members of the forum several times asked the question - “What did Putin have to say at the G8 summit to each of the participants individually, what did they get in their mouths?” Most likely we will never know, and this, apparently, will the case that the words spoken in a whisper, or a meaningful silence that unbalances the opponent, mean nothing less than the pupil of a pistol aimed at the enemy's forehead.

"A SHAME! AKEL HAS PASSED! ”

At the end of August, an article appeared in the New York Times about Putin’s confusion and paralysis in connection with the US intentions to bombard Syria with peace-loving missiles. All anything - a familiar matter. Declare the weakness of the enemy - it is in the order of things. If it were not for frank juggling and the desire to pull the conclusions for their own self-consolation, generously revealed in this article. With a pretense to psychoanalysis and, even with a brief excursion into the Russian history, the author romply argues that Putin is completely at a loss from Obama’s brave stride on the path to Syria’s peace-loving bombing. Of course, time will tell who is who and what he will achieve by his actions, but it seems that Obama himself is in a kind of psychological prostration, making completely different statements; he decided to bomb, he decided to ask for the consent of the congress, then he is ready to do without this consent.

In the meantime, the US war machine is idle, the engines are threshed, the number of allies is decreasing, and anti-American sentiments are coming. It is not ruled out that, without achieving the consent of the Congress, the Nobel laureate will recall the name of the prize he received from the Nobel Committee and will find harmonious explanations for changing his plans for Syria.

And about the political paralysis of Russia - premature scoffing, believe me. Confrontation naval The groupings of the beginning of this year made something clear to someone at that time, and I hope that today's approach of Russian warships to the shores of Syria will be able to bring the goyims of the American Congress to their senses. As noted in one of the Internet articles - “Do not be surprised at the flight of Mr. McCain's thoughts. What thoughts can appear in a head that has been hit many times with a Vietnamese hoe? " I really hope that there are only a few such heads in the US Congress.

So the gloating of the author of the article about the confusion of Putin, this is the premature gloating of the jackal from Mowgli.

“PEOPLE WHO DON'T TAKE BRIBES, HAVE NO HOLY BELOW! FROM SUCH PEOPLE YOU CAN EXPECT ANYTHING IT'S ANYTHING! ”

These words, spoken by the heroine of the television series Deadly Force, reminded me of a recent visit by Saudi Prince Bandar to Putin with frankly anti-moral and vile sentences. I tried to analyze the impartial moral character of this Washington emissary, his mentality, and without surprise realized that it was that way, he sincerely, as they say, “with a blue eye,” considers his proposals absolutely acceptable, absolutely honest and directed to the address. These proposals could well find a response in the soul of many politicians, as in the west, in the East, in the South and in the North. Such is the nature of a person devoid of moral principles and who believes that in all things he gains self-interest and profit.

May many consider me a preconceived moralist or an incorrigible putofil, but still dare to say that such trading morality is the exclusive privilege of the Western mentality. Russia, the Russian people, the Russian people can therefore be very uncomfortable and subject to destruction, they have a heart, to a greater extent, and material benefit, yet is not the prevailing argument in their actions and deeds. Of course, I do not exclude the fact that moral monsters exist in every family.

And it’s great, colleagues, that we had the opportunity to make sure that the person at the helm of the country at the moment is true to his word. After all, similar proposals were voiced to him before. So it is good that Putin has nothing sacred in understanding the heroine of the television series and, I think, Prince Bandar.

THE MIXTURE OF BOGO SELF-SELFNESS WITH ALL-PERMISSION

Just recently, in Novosibirsk solemnly, with a large gathering of the Jewish people, they opened a synagogue. What a joy! For the Jews.
Only here are some thoughts inspired by this event in the light of modern events, numerous articles, comments and facts of private correspondence.
The first is the ability to adapt to the conditions created and the ability for mimicry of representatives of this people. Some ten years ago it is impossible to even think about such a thing and not at all for reasons of total persecution of Jews. Elementary Jews sought the Promised Land, and for the overwhelming majority of them, Russia was a temporary haven that allowed them to make sickly gesheft. And therefore, given the opportunity, thousands of them rushed to Israel, taking away in their hearts, at best, the absence of regret for the abandoned country, and in many cases the hard-earned capital, acquired knowledge and secrets, which were successfully turned Russia (the theft of military technology through numerous joint ventures during the rampage of the 90's) or frankly against Russia, as happened in the situation of providing military technology to Georgia.

And this is nothing. You can survive. If it were not for the words spoken by the rabbi at the opening of the synagogue that finally there will be "happiness" for the Jews in Novosibirsk! Now they have their own house. And, apparently, before that they were completely oppressed and persecuted along the Mosaic path.

Iosif Kobzon, in one of his interviews, called on the Russian Jews not to fool around, not to pretend to be offended and not to tease the Russian people. The man is right. And this rightness caused a wave of anger from many Russian Jews.

I'm not a hater of the Jews. Live quietly, brotherhood. Work for the good of Russia, exalt it, but without your God-chosen fanaticism.

And what is, then - is. For some reason, Israel, as God's chosen people, can use phosphorus bombs and shells against the civilian population of the Gaza Strip - but Syrian troops (passed such a bluff through the Israeli media) against bandit militants (according to Israeli media - the civilian population) - bottom -I! Smacks of this abuse and impunity permissiveness. And this is not gesheft. For this, they beat on the face and it hurts.

The second is about the ability to look into the future. It is not excluded that in his hopeless situation (in which he drove himself) Obama, foolishly, would venture to bomb Syria. Based on the statements of Syrian, Iranian and many other government politicians and leaders of disparate groups, in this case, Israel, to put it mildly, do not say hello. And this urgent construction is one of the signs that, with such a predictable scenario, many Israelis will instantly remember their abandoned homeland and kindle their love with their many-fold increase.
For tonight, these are all events that my colleagues wanted to share with you, colleagues.

Truth has just come across information that the Syrian air defenses 31 of August overwhelmed an American F-22 plane and four Tomahawks! This is precisely what explains Obama’s indecision to launch a massive Damascus bombing. News - glorious! Especially, if we consider that, according to the past information, all these “aircrafts” promising a lethal outcome to Assad were shot down by the Russian “Armor”!

I am waiting for confirmations and with the hope that this is true!

Sincerely. ESAUL
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  1. omsbon
    omsbon 2 September 2013 07: 45
    +9
    I got information that the Syrian air defense on August 31 failed the American plane F-22 and four Tomahawk!

    Glorious news, if only it turned out to be true!
    1. mogus
      mogus 2 September 2013 07: 52
      +8
      This news is a duck. The original source is "postscript", in fact OBS ...
    2. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 2 September 2013 07: 54
      +3
      If this is true, then I will not be surprised! Shot down in Yugoslavia vaunted f-117. Apparently the trend is repeating itself!
    3. Denis
      Denis 2 September 2013 07: 55
      +3
      Quote: omsbon
      Glorious news, if only it turned out to be true!

      We all here would already know about this (nice duck).
      1. krasin
        krasin 2 September 2013 08: 19
        +1
        Truth has just come across information that the Syrian air defenses 31 of August overwhelmed an American F-22 plane and four Tomahawks! This is precisely what explains Obama’s indecision to launch a massive Damascus bombing.


        The idea is certainly seditious, but it would be interesting to see what the Syrian air defense is capable of? How will it all turn out? For the combat use of "Yakhont".
        Sorry, I don’t want this, I just got a thought. winked
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 2 September 2013 08: 45
          +1
          Comrades, at the expense of f-22: blackstonebite.livejournal.com/198622.html
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 2 September 2013 10: 22
          +3
          Quote: krasin
          The idea is certainly seditious, but it would be interesting to see what the Syrian air defense is capable of? How will it all turn out? For the combat use of "Yakhont".

          Soon I think you'll see. "Nimitz", the cruiser and 4 destroyers on Sunday headed for the Red Sea. The order to leave for the eastern Mediterranean has not yet been received. The forces are being pulled together.
          1. Ross
            Ross 2 September 2013 10: 48
            +3
            But now this desire unexpectedly came across a reciprocal desire, before the silenceless masses of the common people, to prevent humanitarian bombardment. And this reciprocal desire was not so easy to ignore. You see, the hour is not even, everything is limited for Obama only by his Wishlist, and common sense will prevail in the policy of the White House, which has not been observed for more than a decade in recent years.

            There are few of them, representatives of the secret world elite, and the masses of the population they control are incomparable. Can you imagine if at least 10% of the population wakes up? Spit on all their horror stories and call their governments to account? This is their worst dream. That is why such deafening propaganda in the media, this is why stupefying "technologies" are imposed: consumerism, homosexuality, freedom like anarchy, freedom of enrichment by any methods, etc.
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 2 September 2013 11: 34
              +4
              Hello!
              For an hour on an Internet I have been poking around at the expense of "the Syrian air defenses on August 31 thwarted the American F-22 aircraft and four Tomahawks", although I myself do not believe at all, but as the Hezbollah channel al-Manar reports, with reference to the Syrian expert and there are, they appeared like in the Los Angeles Times, but I myself have not read, who has time, take a drop.

              On September 1, a military expert confirmed in an interview with Al Manar TV channel that the reason for President Obama's delay in striking Syria was not because he was supposedly waiting for Congress. The reason is that on August 31, Syria destroyed an American aircraft as well as four Tomahawk missiles.
              A US military plane crashed near the Syrian-Jordanian border. Missiles fell into the sea.
              The news about the F-31 Raptor downed on August 22 was reported by the American newspaper "Los Angeles Times". The newspaper also reported that on August 30, Syrian air defense shot down 4 American Tomahawk missiles. They were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-1 anti-missile system. These are Russian anti-aircraft missiles that destroyed American missiles. Sources of the newspaper believe that the Pentagon fired four missiles in order, according to the Los Angeles Times, "to feel the Syrian pulse."
              According to the newspaper, the loss of a modern F-22 aircraft in northern Jordan, where five F-22s are located, is the main reason for the delay in aggression against Syria.
              The Oklahoma Post reported, citing US military sources, that an F-22 Raptor crashed north of Jordan.
              Military expert John Blue Reed told the newspaper that Syria has not just S-300s, but modernized S-300s. He does not exclude that this is the S-400.

              What they say on the Syrian streets ...

              Residents of the Syrian city of Tartus confirmed that they heard 30 on August afternoon, the roar of three aircraft. One aircraft was MiG-23 others - MiG-29, which headed towards the American aircraft, seen near the territorial Syrian waters.
              US aircraft were about 20 km from the coastal border. Any of them could suddenly penetrate into the airspace of Syria. But when the Syrian planes began to approach them, the Americans turned and went towards the sea.
              1 of September repeated the same episode at 10 of the morning.
              “Our sky is only for us, transmit the Syrians. “Our sky is closed to enemies!”
              Translation from Arabic ISNA
              http://www.dampress.net/index.php?page=show_det&select_page=6&id=31458

              Please remember the time - 1 of September, ten in the morning, Syrian time. American planes are looking for a gap in the Syrian air defense system and ... do not find.
              1. svp67
                svp67 2 September 2013 11: 38
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                Quote: Sergh
                Residents of the Syrian city of Tartus confirmed that they heard 30 on August afternoon, the roar of three aircraft. One aircraft was MiG-23 others - MiG-29, which headed towards the American aircraft, seen near the territorial Syrian waters.

                Class Syrian simple inhabitants on the roar of engines are able to determine the type of aircraft - the highest class !!! belay
                Quote: Sergh
                "Syrian air defenses downed an American F-31 and four Tomahawks on August 22,"

                And at the same time they melted half of the American fleet ... wassat it’s just a pity that the Americans don’t know about it ...
                1. Sergh
                  Sergh 2 September 2013 11: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: svp67
                  simple Syrian inhabitants roar of engines capable of determining the type of aircraft

                  In short, I wasn’t there and didn’t bazaar with the people, I bought for what, for that I sell it. Do you have glasses with eyes? Then buy the Internet and read it yourself, otherwise give it to you on a skewer and go for a grater, b ..., in kind, everyone is so smart that they forget to raise your ass to go to the shell.
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 2 September 2013 12: 04
                    +2
                    Quote: Sergh
                    In short, I wasn’t there and didn’t bazaar with the people, I bought for what, for that I sell it.
                    Yes, you have an interesting vocabulary and communication style, one might say, peculiar, easily recognizable ... And the fact that "you have to answer for the market" is somehow forgotten ... if you are my friend, you have announced the news, then get ready for questions.
                    1. Sergh
                      Sergh 2 September 2013 12: 13
                      0
                      Quote: svp67
                      voiced the news, then get ready for questions.

                      Ale, Tuvarisch, what are you, deaf and dumb? This is not what I voiced, and even more so I’m sitting at my desk, I don’t owe you anything, much less answer! Is it intelligible?

                      The link above, and ask your questions to him.
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 2 September 2013 12: 25
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                        Quote: Sergh
                        Ale, Tuvarisch, what are you, deaf and dumb? This is not what I voiced, and even more so I’m sitting at my desk, I don’t owe you anything, much less answer! Is it intelligible?

                        Yes, with your logic ... as with education ... everything is intelligible and understandable.
                      2. German
                        German 3 September 2013 00: 36
                        -1
                        Serge! do not strain! Tovarisch just inattentive ... Well, it happens.
                    2. German
                      German 3 September 2013 00: 34
                      0
                      Muschina clearly voiced: "for what I bought for that and sell" What can there be claims to this? And those who do not know how to read carefully ..... so it is their own fault!
                2. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 2 September 2013 13: 35
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                  Quote: svp67
                  Class Syrian simple inhabitants on the roar of engines are able to determine the type of aircraft - the highest class !!!

                  Honestly, if they live near the airfield, then in the lung you can determine the type of aircraft by sound. I really distinguish the Su-24m from the Su-27 and Su-25, the Tu-154 from the Tu-204, as well as the Tu-204 from the Airbus and Superjet. Also, the Mi-8 differs in sound from the Mi-26 and Ka-27. I don’t even mention about the An-12 and An24 / 26. But how the An-74 moves! Although there are people who cannot distinguish the ZIL-131 from the sound. "Scania" ... Or an automatic burst from a Zhiguli with poorly exposed ignition ...
                  1. svp67
                    svp67 2 September 2013 13: 38
                    -6
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    Honestly, if you live near the airfield, then in the light you can determine the type of aircraft by sound.
                    On warm-up or take-off - easy, especially
                    Quote: Fitter65
                    Or an automatic burst from the Lada with a poorly set ignition.
                    but how well you will determine them in flight, and even by the reflected sound - I don’t know ...
                    1. VAF
                      VAF 2 September 2013 14: 09
                      +2
                      Quote: svp67
                      On warm-up or take-off - easy, especially


                      The namesake, with all due respect, but .... you're wrong, but the respected Fitter65 ghfd yf dct 100% !!! drinks

                      Because on takeoff. if you don't see, of course, the "screws" from the "jet" can be distinguished but .. no more, and even more so if the "jet" (or pipe. or whistle takes off on afterburners, then ... request ).
                      Sometimes (depending on weather conditions) MiG-23MLD "rumbles" louder than Tu-22 wink

                      And in the air, at altitudes up to 3 thousand meters ... "propeller" types all differ by "times", helicopters all the more, with "whistles" is more difficult, especially in landing modes ... already only by their characteristic features.
                      But for a person "familiar" with this "craft" to distinguish between Mig and Su ... is elementary, and also dry machines between themselves! +! drinks

                      Believe word wink
                      1. svp67
                        svp67 2 September 2013 14: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: vaf
                        The namesake, with all due respect, but .... you're not right, but
                        Why? All my childhood I lived near the airfield - so that Tu154 from Tu134 or Yakov could also perfectly hear by ear, and about the fighting, we stood there Mig25 and you don’t have to say ... So it’s in vain that you are guilty in vain of a gentleman - good .. .
                        Sometimes (depending on weather conditions) MiG-23MLD "rumbles" louder than Tu-22
                        Such as Yak28 also came to us so I can appreciate ...
                        And in the air, at altitudes up to 3 thousand meters ... "propeller" types all differ by "times", helicopters all the more, with "whistles" is more difficult, especially in landing modes ... already only by their characteristic features.
                        And I will believe this, since their screws are different and the speed of rotation is also different, so they are also determined by ear, not only will I say that the "bee" - mi8 from the "crocodile" - Mi24 or "shed" - mi26 can be easily distinguished by sound, you can, not to mention the Ka28 "pebble". But here is the sound of flying somewhere, not on takeoff, Mig23 from Mig29, to be honest, I don't know how many will distinguish it. To see the inversion is yes, but the Syrians are unlikely to climb so high now, most likely to huddle to the ground or fly between the mountains, and a lot of interesting things happen in the mountains with sound, so I'm surprised ...
                      2. VAF
                        VAF 2 September 2013 14: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        Why? He spent all his childhood near the airfield - so that Tu154 from Tu134 or Jacob could also perfectly hear


                        In the air, yes, I’m talking about the same thing, but on the takeoff mode, and even from a distance (like the 3-4th kilometer), this is very doubtful (we do not take afterburner modes) +! drinks
                      3. svp67
                        svp67 2 September 2013 15: 05
                        +3
                        Quote: vaf
                        In the air yeah
                        By the way, for the second week already I have noticed an intensive flight over the city, obviously of combat boards in the western direction, at first I thought about MAKS, but now I doubt it ... It looks like the "strategists" are increasing their flight hours, and this cannot but rejoice, here just a little restless ...
                      4. VAF
                        VAF 2 September 2013 16: 01
                        0
                        Quote: svp67
                        By the way, for the second week I have noticed an intense span over the city,


                        Another would be "voiced" over what .. city, then one could think ... "who is it, there .. at the top" wink
                      5. svp67
                        svp67 2 September 2013 16: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: vaf
                        Still I would "sound" over what

                        I give target designation - "bottom right button" view profile "". We press - we read ... bully
                      6. VAF
                        VAF 2 September 2013 16: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: svp67
                        I give target designation - "bottom right button" view profile "". We press - we read


                        "Accepted" - "COMPLETE" ..... fellow Almost fellow countryman drinks !

                        I report ... over Sverdlovsk there is a "forbidden" zone for flights of Combat Aviation (you yourself know how many zones of the Strategic Missile Forces are stuck wassat ).
                        Only a flight along the MVL at altitudes of 6 meters and above, and even within + -000 km, well, the departure zone at the airfields of Koltsovo and Aramil (we no longer take Uktus).
                        To the North, towards Nizhny Tagil in general .. lowering., All bypassing either from the west through Perm (B. Savino) or from the east near Tyumen and so on to Serov bully

                        Most likely there are Big Bobiks or Buses, although they usually go through Chelyabinsk (Balandino). and further to Omsk (Central) and Novosibirsk (Tolmachevo).

                        The combatants always walk along their own routes, which are included in their List, agreed with the "citizens"! In addition to our VTA ... that "walks" along the routes of the Civil Air Fleet.

                        We have the same ... often ... "across the wool" guys .. "appear" wink

                        Here ... "fresh" pictures bully



                        and larger ... wink

                      7. svp67
                        svp67 2 September 2013 16: 35
                        +1
                        Quote: vaf
                        We have the same ... often ... "across the wool" guys .. "appear

                        Painfully often .. Speed, clearly higher than civilian boards and transport workers, often go in links - three planes each, characteristic inversion traces - into parts, doubled from under the fuselage, not a "white swan", and double - from the wings, I don't know M4 they still fly now ...
        3. Fitter65
          Fitter65 2 September 2013 14: 13
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          but how well you will determine them in flight, and even by the reflected sound - I don’t know ...

          And where does the sound come from above? It GOES from above, with some lagging behind the aircraft, sometimes the device is not visible in blue, but you can hear who and where by sound ... By the way, a Su-17UM flying with an Al-21 engine (up to Recently, he often flew to the KNAAPO-airfield Demghi) in sound very very different from the Su-24 with the same engines (2-Al-21) .Therefore, to distinguish the MiG-23 from the MiG-29 but problems. And if you do not know how- this does not mean that others do not know how.
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 September 2013 14: 43
            -1
            Quote: Fitter65
            And if you do not know how, then this does not mean that others do not know how.

            Well, the "flyers" were convinced, CONVINCED. Now I am sure and know that every citizen of the Syrian republic is capable of distinguishing a plane flying by by the sound ... I am very happy for them, because if the Americans start ironing them, this quality can be very useful to them.
          2. VAF
            VAF 2 September 2013 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: svp67
            I am now confident and know that every citizen of the Syrian republic is capable of distinguishing a flying plane by sound ...


            Her Seryoga ... if, as you write ... "flying plane." then I'm afraid that it will be too late to determine what type it is .., and for many, probably already .. not when, and ... no one crying

      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 2 September 2013 15: 35
        +2
        Sergey, what are you arguing about? You do not expect the fact that the person who wrote the article simply could forget to write in the heat of passion, that someone saw these planes on take-off? And VAF is right in that both sound can be identified visually. My child does it like two fingers on the asphalt (visually).
    4. German
      German 3 September 2013 00: 39
      0
      ..... I especially liked the comparison of automatic fire with poorly exposed ignition of the "Zhiguli" !!!! 5 Points !!! laughingsvp67! You have a poetic nature!
  2. Setrac
    Setrac 2 September 2013 19: 11
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Syrian inhabitants on the roar of engines are able to determine the type of aircraft - the highest class !!!

    Among the "simple" inhabitants there are "simple" pilots, for example, or "simple" rocket men.
  3. picnic
    picnic 3 September 2013 01: 32
    0
    "Class simple Syrian inhabitants by the roar of engines are able to determine the type of aircraft - the highest class !!!"

    These ordinary Syrian inhabitants have been living in a state of war for the third year now. And the daily roar of aircraft engines over their heads is for them, as for us, the roar of Kamaz or MAN engines.
  • Sergh
    Sergh 2 September 2013 11: 46
    +3
    And also more news:

    The Syrian opposition declares war on the United States and goes over to the side of Damascus.

    One Syrian opposition warned Washington that U.S. interests in the region would be attacked by suicide bombers formed by the Syrian opposition if Obama dares to attack Syria.

    "Homeland is more important than opposition to the government," Mahir Marjaj, party secretary general al-Shabab, told FNA on August 31.

    “Although we are in opposition to the Syrian government, we believe that the interests of our country are more important than any other interests. We formed battalions for suicide bombing operations. The operations are aimed at US interests in the Middle East, ”the opposition said.

    He sharply criticized the United States and its provocative, aggressive policies and threats against Syria: "We are perfectly prepared to withstand any war against Syria."

    Markhaj warned the White House of the catastrophic consequences for the entire world of the US war against Syria, saying that even a limited Western invasion of the country would turn into an open and unlimited war with unpredictable consequences. He is sure that Damascus will give his crushing answer.

    Analysts call attention to the split of the Syrian opposition into pro-Western puppets collaborating with al-Qaeda and patriots who oppose US threats, realizing that the US and NATO war against Damascus will destroy Syria.
    Such polarization can accelerate the peace process and help end the Syrian crisis in a shorter time.
    Analysts note that the numerous crimes committed by groups of extremists supported from abroad and abandoned by al-Qaeda mercenaries pushed many opposition members to finally break with the jihadists and their Western and Arab sponsors and switch to the Syrian side army.
    Recall that thousands of Syrians, driven to despair by NATO mercenaries, gathered in Idlib to express their hatred of terrorists and to express support for the Syrian government and army, crushing terrorists.
    In Homs, in various areas, meetings were held in support of President Assad and the Syrian army. The Syrians demanded that the bandits and mercenaries of the terrorists get out of Homs.
    B.S. from Beirut, August 31.

    http://www.rus-obr.ru/ru-web/26177?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  • svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 11: 59
    +4
    Quote: Sergh
    Please remember the time - 1 of September, ten in the morning, Syrian time. American planes are looking for a gap in the Syrian air defense system and ... do not find.

    Honestly very weakly believed:
    - according to the newspaper, a blow was struck from the territory of Jordan, but
    Jordan will not provide its territory as a springboard for an attack on Syria. This was announced today in Amman by the Prime Minister of the Kingdom of Abdullah al-Nussur.
    Speaking at a meeting of the Supreme Council for Civil Defense, the head of government confirmed that Jordan "will under no circumstances become a springboard for an attack on a neighboring Arab country." According to him, "neither the territory of the kingdom, nor its airspace will be used for military action against Syria."

    - and a strike with 4 missiles is not an American style, and indeed it contradicts the logic of armed struggle - the first strike must be massive in order to deprive the enemy of the opportunity to resist in the future. Otherwise, it's just - "an unnecessary waste of effort and money."
    If the fact of destruction and the battle in general was there, then I can assume that reconnaissance UAVs were shot down ...
  • Ka-52
    Ka-52 2 September 2013 14: 50
    +2
    This brings me into doubt:
    The news about the F-31 Raptor downed on August 22 was reported by the American newspaper "Los Angeles Times".

    Very similar to the information reset of the State Department. So that the people do not ask: "Is the president crumpled?"
    Under this matter, Obama will write off his indecision. The United States is clearly not the problem. We would like to start bombing a long time ago. Still, Amer’s war machine is the strongest at the moment. A downed planes would then be attributed to the weather or equipment failures.
    IMHO: Barak wants to make it to the summit in St. Petersburg, only a little bit is left (G-20 summit in St. Petersburg is the eighth meeting of the leaders of the G5 countries, which will be held in Russia, in St. Petersburg on September 6-2013, XNUMX year) and talk about something with our GDP, and so that the ratings do not fall, they launched a "duck".
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 2 September 2013 16: 49
    +1
    Quote: Sergh
    on August 31, the F-22 Raptor was shot down in the Los Angeles Times

    I have been looking for information for a long time. You know, all the sites on which this message is published do not inspire confidence. All refer to two newspapers "Los Angeles Times" and "Oklahoma Post". But information comes across that there is no Post newspaper in Oklahoma. So the information is very dubious. .Although in our time what just does not happen.
  • alone
    alone 2 September 2013 17: 25
    0
    if f-22s and 4 axes were shot down, what prevented them from shooting down the Israeli Air Force planes, which fired several times on Syria?
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 2 September 2013 14: 50
    0
    Do not forget - this is a delicate matter, East. Who will give more. Remember Iraq. The Americans stupidly bought almost all Iraqi generals, and other senior officials. They completely decapitated the army, which ran home, saboteurs destroyed the connection - and hello! And the army was no less than the Syrian. All sabotage work will be undertaken by commandos from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, etc. None of the S-300s will help. The devil will not make out these Arabs gnawing among themselves. But the many currents of Islam are a gift of our Lord, let them continue to bite! And then your country would be called - Rusistan. With Moscowbad. Although Moskvabad is already a reality! Great is Allah! Inshalla!
    1. xan
      xan 2 September 2013 15: 00
      +2
      Quote: goldfinger
      Although Moskvabad is already a reality! Great is Allah! Inshalla!

      How can any mongrel want to bite an elephant, at least for a little, but to bite it.
      Here London can already be called Londonbad, there is the most popular name among newborns Mohammed.
      For what reasons is Moscow called Moskabbad, other than journalistic cliches, and Bandera manuals?
      1. goldfinger
        goldfinger 4 September 2013 20: 37
        0
        Come on, my half-respected Asiop, to the wife of my cliche!
    2. German
      German 3 September 2013 00: 50
      0
      Something in your words is something that makes you think ... therefore put you a plus.
  • Arti
    Arti 2 September 2013 11: 31
    +1
    excuse me, but "We" - as I understand it, the inhabitants of the site or maybe the GRU.
    It’s just not clear why the inhabitants of the site should know all this?
  • German
    German 3 September 2013 00: 27
    0
    Maybe a duck ..... But it’s pleasant, tasty! After all, I want pleasant ducks! laughing
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 2 September 2013 15: 33
    0
    A bunch of comments. Different. And no one looked at the LAT website to see that on August 31 there was no material about the downed aircraft and missiles ... Surprised.
  • vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 2 September 2013 07: 58
    14
    only if the Jews want to go back to Russia, our condition: a doctor to us is Alekseeva to us, a scientist to us is Novodvorskaya, well, etc. Yes Chubais give so.
    1. mejik
      mejik 2 September 2013 10: 58
      +8
      For Chubais, I personally would even pay extra
      1. datur
        datur 2 September 2013 11: 44
        +3
        [quote = mejik] For Chubais, I personally would even pay extra - everyone would pay extra, and no one would refuse a kick in the ass (each of these .... k), I think so !!!!! laughing yes
    2. German
      German 3 September 2013 00: 54
      0
      And to the load from Ukraine: Yushchenko, Tymoshenko, Yanukovych and so on. Can I dream something?
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 2 September 2013 08: 05
    +7
    Well done! Deeply and with a bit of humor - in the Cossacks.
    But I, after looking at the information about the flooding in Birobidzhan, inadvertently thought, why does the Jewish Autonomous Region exist so far? What is this - the historical "promised land", the area, the overwhelming majority of which are fellow Jews or an anachronism of 1934? Isn't it time to "politically return" these lands to its rightful owners - the Evenks?
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 2 September 2013 08: 24
      +4
      I am begging you... smile The only thing left of the Jews was the name ... I assure you that there are no more of them there than in any other settlement in Russia ...
      1. densh
        densh 2 September 2013 12: 02
        +4
        And jokes.
        To the demands from Moscow, to create Jewish collective farms in the region, the answer came:
        ,, Collective farms created. Send collective farmers ,,. smile
    2. esaul
      2 September 2013 12: 07
      0
      VadimSt
      Thanks, Vadim and I welcome hi laughing
  • a52333
    a52333 2 September 2013 08: 05
    +1
    Syrian air defense 31 August failed US aircraft F-22 and four Tomahawk!
    Well, if that's true !!! This is a blow to the twin balls !!! God forbid !!
  • Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 2 September 2013 08: 06
    +5
    I liked the article! especially
    “Sometimes we get paid for a few words uttered in a whisper, and sometimes showered with gold for our silence. Such is the profession of a diplomat! ”
    While this is our main weapon in this situation ...
    And at the expense of the shot down .. this is a duck of course, but someone will believe and think in the west We will wait! The truth is with us.
  • buywol
    buywol 2 September 2013 08: 09
    0
    The news is excellent, so there is still gunpowder in the flasks.
    An article also appeared on the supply of chemical weapons through Turkey to Syria by Georgia. We will wait for confirmations or denials. Here is the link.
    http://warfiles.ru/show-37706-sensaciya-himicheskoe-oruzhie-bylo-dostavleno-v-si
    riyu-iz-gruzii.html
  • Nayhas
    Nayhas 2 September 2013 08: 09
    0
    "It is true that information has just come across that the Syrian air defenses on August 31 threw down an American F-22 aircraft and four Tomahawks! This is precisely what explains Obama's indecision to start massive bombing of Damascus. The news is glorious! Especially considering that, according to past information, All these "flying machines" promising a lethal outcome for Assad were shot down by Russian "Shells"! - No, not with Shells, the kids played on the field and shot them down with a slingshot ... Eh Esaul, Esaul, after reading this "news" you take it for granted and happily rubbing your palms is quite consistent with the nonsense that you wrote ...
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 2 September 2013 08: 42
    +1
    God be with her with an ear (though still vinaigrette). But why the hell should I post an obvious duck? Or check her (five-minute case) hand did not rise, so as not to spoil the joy? It is not correct to end the article with incorrect information. And vulgarisms (about slate and fitting) should be excluded.
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    2. esaul
      2 September 2013 12: 02
      +2
      Quote: serge-68-68
      But why the hell should I post an obvious duck? Or check her (five-minute case) hand did not rise, so as not to spoil the joy?

      And time will confirm or refute your words, colleague.
      If you noticed, I posted this news with the proviso - "I hope it's true." Well, it's more convenient for you not to see. The main thing is to bite! laughing
      1. Tartary
        Tartary 2 September 2013 14: 40
        -4
        Quote: esaul
        Quote: serge-68-68
        But why the hell should I post an obvious duck? Or check her (five-minute case) hand did not rise, so as not to spoil the joy?

        And time will confirm or refute your words, colleague.
        If you noticed, I posted this news with the proviso - "I hope it's true." Well, it's more convenient for you not to see. The main thing is to bite! laughing

        Hi, Valery! hi

        I believe that the "disadvantages" of your "Ukhe" were instigated by the most patriotic patriots of Russia - Jews, whom you carelessly, but as any Russian understands that you "accidentally" touched your shoulder ... request
        I hope that soon the "Masa's Ear" will be covered with a copper basin and its leadership will receive a kaput ... even the echo will not return to the back ... when the neo-patriots of Russian Jewry take up their own from the fifth column ... am

        Apparently, all the same, many have correctly understood Putin, who confessed, with all honest Jewry, about his own "Pandora's Box", stored under his bed ... am

        http://blagin-anton.livejournal.com/243266.html

        I am sure that my invisible "friends" will take care of me now ... lol
        After all, it is true that we are Gussian, do not deceive the Dgug Dgug ... repeat
        1. Tartary
          Tartary 2 September 2013 17: 37
          -1
          Quote: Tartary
          I am sure that my invisible "friends" will take care of me now ...


          Well ... I told you that they would be offended ... lol

          As yet, the lack of humor and self-criticism is easily predictable ... request
          1. Tartary
            Tartary 3 September 2013 15: 06
            0
            Quote: Tartary
            Well ... I told you that they would be offended ...

            Yes, you even suck, just wash your neck ...
      2. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 2 September 2013 15: 27
        +1
        It is more convenient for me that the authors of different texts do not increase the amount of incorrect information - it is already enough on the Internet.
        In fact, among people who write on different topics and publish what is written in the media, it is customary to independently verify the data to which they refer. And do not crow and then - at least do not dawn.
        In the age of the Internet, this is done very simply: it goes to the LAT website, is typed in the F-22 search engine and it turns out that the last material mentioning this fighter is dated mid-June 2013 ... The time spent is 5 minutes.
  • saag
    saag 2 September 2013 08: 44
    0
    Quote: Nayhas
    "It is true that information has just come across that the Syrian air defenses on August 31 threw down an American F-22 aircraft and four Tomahawks! This is precisely what explains Obama's indecision to start massive bombing of Damascus. The news is glorious! Especially considering that, according to past information, All these "flying machines" promising a lethal outcome for Assad were shot down by Russian "Shells"! - No, not with Shells, the kids played on the field and shot them down with a slingshot ... Eh Esaul, Esaul, after reading this "news" you take it for granted and happily rubbing your palms is quite consistent with the nonsense that you wrote ...

    But for some reason, the source in this case is the Oklahoma Post, and not the Syrian media, for which this would be an excellent occasion to declare itself, and what did the raptor do there? Newspaper duck, natural, yellow ...
  • Vtel
    Vtel 2 September 2013 09: 21
    +3
    Even if it is a duck, then I am ready to eat it - what a pleasant smell it exudes.
    "On September 1, a military expert confirmed in an interview with Al Manar TV that the reason for President Obama's delay in attacking Syria is not because he is supposedly waiting for Congress. The reason is that Syria destroyed an American plane on August 31, and four Tomahawk missiles.
    A US military plane crashed near the Syrian-Jordanian border. Missiles fell into the sea.
    The news about the F-31 Raptor downed on August 22 was reported by the American newspaper "Los Angeles Times". The newspaper also reported that on August 30, Syrian air defense shot down 4 American Tomahawk missiles. They were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-1 anti-missile system. These are Russian anti-aircraft missiles that destroyed American missiles. Sources of the newspaper believe that the Pentagon fired four missiles in order, according to the Los Angeles Times, "to feel the Syrian pulse."
    According to the newspaper, the loss of a modern F-22 aircraft in northern Jordan, where five F-22s are located, is the main reason for the delay in aggression against Syria.
    The Oklahoma Post reported, citing US military sources, that an F-22 Raptor crashed north of Jordan.
    Military expert John Blue Reed told the newspaper that Syria has not just the S-300, but the upgraded S-300 systems. He does not exclude that this is S-400. "
  • Burbulator
    Burbulator 2 September 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Dec Garden ...
    He served for many years at an aviation base of missile weapons and ammunition, but he never saw phosphorus bombs. Incendiary, luminous, smoke, photographic - yes. But phosphoric - no.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 2 September 2013 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Burbulator
      Incendiary, luminous, smoke, photographic - yes. But phosphoric - no.

      Phosphorus bombs is such a bugbear which, in Soviet times, drove the Israeli and American military. Because those who did it today are in demand more than ever, then their rhetoric and terms come from the past.
      1. esaul
        2 September 2013 11: 53
        +2
        Quote: Nayhas
        Quote: Burbulator
        Incendiary, luminous, smoke, photographic - yes. But phosphoric - no.

        Phosphorus bombs is such a bugbear which, in Soviet times, drove the Israeli and American military. Because those who did it today are in demand more than ever, then their rhetoric and terms come from the past.

        Eugene, but what bothers you? Doubts about the availability of such ammunition in Israel or the presence of facts of their use? To make sure the facts are true, follow the link
        http://perevodika.ru/articles/21275.html?sphrase_id=297218
        or just in the TRANSLATION search engine, fill in the words "Jewish fascism". Get tons of pictures and text to prove my words. hi
    2. mejik
      mejik 2 September 2013 11: 07
      +1
      Quote: Burbulator
      Dec Garden ...
      But phosphoric - no.

      Well, everything is clear here, from the point of view of dietetics. The humanitarian phosphorus bomb is dropped into continental settlements with the aim of eliminating phosphorus deficiency in civilian organisms due to the lack of available seafood.
    3. esaul
      2 September 2013 11: 47
      +4
      Quote: Burbulator
      He served for many years at an aviation base of missile weapons and ammunition, but he never saw phosphorus bombs. Incendiary, luminous, smoke, photographic - yes. But phosphoric - no.

      Garden, not a garden ... Just because you didn’t have to see the bombs stuffed with phosphorus does not mean that they are not there. I have long lost the habit of speaking without supporting evidence.
      Ar-r-argue laughing

      White phosphorus and plasticized white phosphorus
      White phosphorus is a solid poisonous waxy substance that spontaneously ignites in air and burns with the release of a large amount of caustic white smoke. The combustion temperature of phosphorus is 1200 ° C.
      Plasticized white phosphorus is a mixture of white phosphorus with a viscous solution of synthetic rubber. Unlike ordinary phosphorus, it is more stable during storage; at break it is crushed into large, slowly burning pieces. Burning phosphorus causes severe, painful, long-healing burns. It is used in artillery shells and mines, aircraft bombs, hand grenades. As a rule, incendiary smoke-generating ammunition is equipped with white phosphorus and plasticized white phosphorus.
      The words "... aerial bombs ..." see?
      http://goup32441.narod.ru/files/rhbz/001_oporn_konspekt/t2z1.htm - а это ссылка, благодаря которой Вы сможете ликвидировать пробел в ваших знаниях.
      Sincerely. Valery.
    4. VAF
      VAF 2 September 2013 12: 41
      +7
      Quote: Burbulator
      He served for many years at an aviation base of missile weapons and ammunition, but he never saw phosphorus bombs.


      What is it like belay ?????

      And what do you think they are "equipped inside" for example SABs? wink

      It remains "for a little" to ask the technician to set the required deceleration time on the AT-EB or TM-24B (depending on which will be used), so that a disclosure occurs before the bomb touches the surface and you will get ... 7 phosphorus bombs.

      The effect of "such" use (though not sanctioned) is amazing good ... "there have never been any complaints from ... the enemy ..."

      Repeatedly tested and .... verified soldier

      1. svp67
        svp67 2 September 2013 12: 51
        +1
        Quote: vaf
        What is it like ?????

        Yes, as I understand it, a lot depends on the "name" ... Nowhere in our arsenals you will find "cursed" by the whole world "vacuum bombs", like the vacuum bomb GBU-43 / B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst) ... there are even some ODAB-500, ODAB-1000 and ODAB-1500, but there are no "vacuum" ones - not available ...
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 2 September 2013 12: 53
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          like a vacuum bomb GBU-43 / B MOAB (Massive Ordnance Air Burst)

          It is not "vacuum", it is volumetric detonating
          1. svp67
            svp67 2 September 2013 13: 07
            0
            Quote: Spade
            It is not "vacuum", it is volumetric detonating
            Quietly, quietly, well, we know about this, why scare others, that ODAB stands for "volumetric detonating aerial bomb" ... Well, this is with us !!! And the enemies - "vacuum bombs", as well as "phosphorus" and not in any way "incendiary" ... like our ZAB
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 2 September 2013 13: 12
              +2
              Enemies have fuel-air. The Soviet agitprop called them "vacuum" ones. And the "mother of all bombs" MOAB is volume-detonating. Detonates (does not light up) aerosol cloud of ammonium nitrate with aluminum powder.
              1. svp67
                svp67 2 September 2013 13: 26
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                Enemies have fuel-air. It was their Soviet agitprop that called them "vacuum"
                Well, I believe specialists ... drinks
                1. VAF
                  VAF 2 September 2013 13: 50
                  +4
                  Quote: svp67
                  Well, I believe specialists ..


                  And rightly so, +! drinks And by the way, wink

                  Quite recently, the most powerful ODAB bomb in the world was detonated in the Russian Federation. fellow
                  Given the "patriotic" fervor with which our media covered this, no doubt, soldier great success of Russian gunsmiths, good and also mindful of the need for "strict observance of mutually exclusive paragraphs" lol , wassat "witches" named her nanobomb.



                  Well, the "official propaganda" christened the wunderwaff "Daddy of all bombs" laughing in spite of the Americans, whose most powerful product was called "Mother of All Bombs" (MOAB, Mother Of All Bombs). lol
                  But, by the way, "Mother" is not a fig tongue not a volumetric detonating "device", but, yes, an ordinary high-explosive one. wink lol
        2. VAF
          VAF 2 September 2013 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          Yes, I understand


          The answer was given to a person, or rather a question of bewilderment, which voiced that he served a lot of time on the basis of aviation weapons!
          Therefore, I asked such a question! request
          For the rest, dear Lopatov, he answered in detail what our ODAB and "ihiy" allegedly Vakkum are wassat

          Since the term "vacuum bomb" is the wrong name for volumetric explosion ammunition, also called "thermobaric" in our country, or "air-fuel" (English Fuel-Air eXplosive, FAX / FAE) in Tan.

          "Fuel ammunition" is filled with a flammable substance with a low boiling point.
          For example, ethylene oxide - C2H4O - converts to gas already at 10,7 ° C.
          When a bomb is detonated, a cloud of flammable vapor or aerosol is formed, joyfully reacting with atmospheric oxygen.
          As you know, not gasoline is explosive, but its vapor.
          Thermobaric ammunition with equal weight is several times more powerful than conventional. Indeed, if trinitrotoluene or hexogen contains both fuel and an oxidizing agent, then in the case of the use of a “vacuum” bomb, the oxidizing agent is taken literally from the air.

          What does the "vacuum" have to do with it? The "strange name" arose as a result of the surprise of Soviet designers who discovered that the damage caused by a fuel bomb was greater than predicted by calculations.
          if we take into account only the thermal energy released during the combustion of ethylene oxide.

          But the instantaneous removal of oxygen created an additional rarefaction of 0.15 atmosphere behind the front of the shock wave.
          Formally, with a vacuum, even with a technical
          filled with incandescent bulbs, this, of course, has nothing to do ... But the pressure drop is quite sufficient for the explosion to turn the enemy’s manpower into a striking ..... lol

          An additional advantage of “volume-detonating” bombs is that the blast wave does not bend around obstacles and is not reflected from them - it is impossible to hide in trenches and dugouts.
          A volumetric explosion "flows" into buildings and leaky cars.
          The funnel does not remain. The impact falls on the entire surface of the soil, which allows to undermine the mines hidden in it.

          One example of the presence of such a bomb with us: wink

          Volume-detonating aerial bomb ODAB-500 good



          Well, about land Pinocchio, Grad and Bumblebee, I’m sure dear Lopatov will tell you more competently +! drinks
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 2 September 2013 14: 00
            +2
            Welcome.
            I’ll clarify: thermobaric is generally the third type of ammunition, transitional from conventional to volumetric explosion ammunition. In aviation, such can be found in ATGMs.

            There is no moment of spraying an aerosol cloud. The main charge from explosives with a high detonation velocity, pasty filling from explosives with a low velocity, plus powdered metals, usually aluminum. Detonates the main one, detonates the expanding explosive filling, enhancing the shock wave, plus the metal powder and part of the filling are burned up, increasing the temperature of the shock wave front.
            Thermobaric, as well as volumetric detonating ones do not belong to incendiary weapons, unlike fuel-air weapons, and therefore are conventional.

            They tried to show ours about the use of thermobaric in Chechnya, as violating the 4 protocol, but they broke off.

            By the way, many people are confused, "thermobaric" is not a very good name.
            1. svp67
              svp67 2 September 2013 14: 05
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              By the way, many people are confused, "thermobaric" is not a very good name.
              For me - let the enemies be afraid of their impact, and even if you call it a "triple cologne bomb", they will tremble from this name too ...
            2. VAF
              VAF 2 September 2013 14: 34
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              I’ll clarify: thermobaric is generally the third type of ammunition, transitional from conventional to volumetric explosion ammunition.


              Again drinks ! Well, I don’t know, in my time "in akamedi" they taught. that thermobaric is the second name of ODAB. wink

              Quote: Spade
              In aviation, such can be found in ATGMs.


              I agree, +! But in all BPs (aviation), where instead of "standard explosives" gas-aerosol mixtures such as ethylene oxide, propylene oxide, methane, propyl nitrate, MAPP (a mixture of methyl, acetylene, propadiene and propane), etc. are used. are THERMOBARIC or VOLUME-DETONATING or vice versa drinks
  • Armata
    Armata 2 September 2013 11: 04
    +6
    Valery welcome. Maybe there will be enough articles on the topic "Hurray, everything is good." To be honest, the shafts are already cracking to drag our entire "defense" machine. We do not have the means to resist yet. Or that, as always, everyone who can keep weapons in the trenches? We prefer to sell tanks, planes, ships. What do we keep for ourselves? There is no longer the country for which he studied and worked. All the last frontier is in the patriotic articles on the site. Well, tell me frankly how much we do for the country and how much for other countries? And then we shout that we will break everyone.
    1. esaul
      2 September 2013 12: 00
      +2
      Quote: Mechanic
      Valery welcome

      Salute, Eugene.
      Quote: Mechanic
      Maybe there will be enough articles on the topic "Hurray, everything is good."

      Zhenya, maybe they wouldn't have existed if it hadn't been for the rippling in the eyes of the articles and comments that "EVERYTHING IS BAD, FUCKED SEPOLIMERS!"
      Quote: Mechanic
      We prefer to sell tanks, planes, ships

      Probably the new equipment in the troops exclusively from charitable foundations.
      Quote: Mechanic
      There is no longer the country for which he studied and worked.

      Everything, life is over ...
      Quote: Mechanic
      Well, tell me frankly how much we are doing for the country and how much for other countries?

      How did I have the opportunity to repeatedly make sure that my words are nothing for you, is there any point in persuading you? Better to open a site like "MADE BY US" or many others. Maybe you will see something new for yourself. hi
      1. Armata
        Armata 2 September 2013 12: 32
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        Zhenya, maybe they wouldn't have existed if it hadn't been for the rippling in the eyes of the articles and comments that "EVERYTHING IS BAD, FUCKED SEPOLIMERS!"
        You understand everything should be moderately and objectively. Everything cannot be in chocolate, just like everything is gone. can we begin to get used to objective thinking? then there will be less disagreement.
        Quote: esaul
        Probably the new equipment in the troops exclusively from charitable foundations.
        Again, objectively judged. How many have arrived in our troops? And then how much was sold for a cordon of equipment?
        Quote: esaul
        Everything, life is over ...
        Life is not over. The goals either disappeared or changed.
        Quote: esaul
        How did I have the opportunity to repeatedly make sure that my words are nothing to you, is there any point in persuading you? Better to open a site like "MADE BY US" or many others. Maybe you will see something new for yourself.
        If your words were at the 0 level, I would just pass by and be silent. I regard you as an opponent of my point of view. I ask questions and ask them to be answered in the light of your vision of the situation. Or are you against disputes?
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  • denson06
    denson06 2 September 2013 11: 33
    +3
    Quote: Vtel
    Even if it is a duck, then I am ready to eat it - what a pleasant smell it exudes.
    "On September 1, a military expert confirmed in an interview with Al Manar TV that the reason for President Obama's delay in attacking Syria is not because he is supposedly waiting for Congress. The reason is that Syria destroyed an American plane on August 31, and four Tomahawk missiles.
    A US military plane crashed near the Syrian-Jordanian border. Missiles fell into the sea.
    The news about the F-31 Raptor downed on August 22 was reported by the American newspaper "Los Angeles Times". The newspaper also reported that on August 30, Syrian air defense shot down 4 American Tomahawk missiles. They were shot down by the Russian Pantsir-1 anti-missile system. These are Russian anti-aircraft missiles that destroyed American missiles. Sources of the newspaper believe that the Pentagon fired four missiles in order, according to the Los Angeles Times, "to feel the Syrian pulse."
    According to the newspaper, the loss of a modern F-22 aircraft in northern Jordan, where five F-22s are located, is the main reason for the delay in aggression against Syria.
    The Oklahoma Post reported, citing US military sources, that an F-22 Raptor crashed north of Jordan.
    Military expert John Blue Reed told the newspaper that Syria has not just the S-300, but the upgraded S-300 systems. He does not exclude that this is S-400. "

    Let's fantasize a bit ... just suppose that Syria also has anti-aircraft anti-aircraft systems .. well, at least a couple, then the bleating of our western "partner" is quite understandable .. because if a volley of 32 anti -arable missiles flashes on the radars of the US Navy ships, then the main the mass of sailors of a whole group of ships will have time to notice only the anti-aircraft maneuver of each of them 100 meters from the ship ..
    Although the forces, of course, are not equal and all these are just my fantasies ... wink
    With respect.. hi
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 2 September 2013 12: 01
    +2
    The meaning of the article is in the work of diplomats and, as I also thought, of the fifth column - journalism. It is not for nothing that in America they began to turn off our English-language television channel Rushen-Today (I apologize, I did not teach English - Lenin did not speak it). Correctly said in the comments here, we are not yet strong enough to rattle weapons near Syria, we would have a little more time to catch our breath from "perestroika".
    And returning to the article - well done diplomats and those who were not named here, but we understand - almost all yesterday's allies of the United States refused this time to go on a bare leash at the FAS command - they awakened something in them that made them think, " is it a game of candles "...
  • densh
    densh 2 September 2013 12: 30
    +2
    On August 31, a missile strike was allegedly delivered against Syria, which was repulsed.
    a war began, which no one noticed except a couple of American newspapers, although a couple of days passed.
    Silence on the news channels. Very similar to ,, linden ,,.
    1. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 2 September 2013 15: 01
      +2
      Not a "linden", but another blow in the information war. I am simply tired of "taking the blow" in such wars - it is necessary to attack sometime.
      1. densh
        densh 2 September 2013 15: 54
        +1
        For example, to publish reports that 2 out of 5 were shot down near Washington
        ,, Iskander ,,? Nehai Yankees have fun. wink
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 2 September 2013 13: 27
    +2
    About downed Tomahawks and F-22s is a normal Syrian counter-propaganda, designed to strengthen anti-war sentiments among Americans, and senators to make inquiries from their military, to find out, discuss the consequences of the strike on Syria.
    1. svp67
      svp67 2 September 2013 14: 32
      0
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      About downed Tomahawks and F-22s is a normal Syrian counter-propaganda designed to strengthen anti-war sentiments among Americans
      Or, God forbid, become a "casus belli"
  • Grif
    Grif 2 September 2013 14: 48
    0
    Even if the duck is about the F-22, anyway, this message is useful. Of course, I doubt that this was actually the case, but the whole west had no doubt that Amer’s aviation was invincible. And now many are doubting. No, but good.
    1. densh
      densh 2 September 2013 16: 15
      +2
      In the words of Suvorov: “Why regret his adversary .... Let's write-7 f-22 and
      10 ,, Axes ,,. Let them doubt even more. laughing
  • xan
    xan 2 September 2013 14: 52
    +2
    The Russian ambassador, Count Vorontsov, was an ardent Anglophile, lived half his life in England, his children grew up there, and gave his daughters in marriage to the offspring of English aristocrats, i.e. intermarried with the English ruling class. However, under Napoleon, his son rushed to Russia and almost gave his life on the Borodino field - only one out of ten survived from his brigade defending the Semenov flashes. Such a son would not have grown up without the influence of the pope.
    1. densh
      densh 2 September 2013 20: 49
      0
      Was this his son for sure? I don’t think that the son of Abramovich (figuratively) will drive the hobbits in the Caucasus
      or in Palestine. Rather, it will bend from an overdose.
  • repytw
    repytw 2 September 2013 14: 58
    +1
    Quote: Anatole Klim
    About downed Tomahawks and F-22s is a normal Syrian counter-propaganda, designed to strengthen anti-war sentiments among Americans, and senators to make inquiries from their military, to find out, discuss the consequences of the strike on Syria.



    I support, we must be happy for the Syrian air defense, and not, as always, look for pitfalls. The information war has already begun - 1-0 in favor of Syria.
  • Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 2 September 2013 14: 58
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    God forbid, "casus belli"

    Well then, they will have to admit that the latest American aircraft, which spent billions, easily gets lost, it’s not for nothing that they screech about the S-400.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 2 September 2013 16: 05
    +2
    Quote: Nayhas
    Eh Esaul, Esaul, the fact that after reading this "news" you take it on faith and joyfully rub your palms is quite consistent with the nonsense that you wrote ...

    You wrote nonsense! No wonder there is an anecdote about "written on the fence" and an attempt to use it - there is a nail. The article, covering a number of serious and important geopolitical events, is at the same time imbued with irony and sarcasm towards those who decided that at the moment "it is possible to steer". We often talk about the information war, about the fact that Russia is constantly losing it, about the fact that many domestic media outlets actually play by the rules and on the field of Western media - while ordinary citizens, professionals and politicians will have a desire to speak out about the shortcomings or openly ridicule political opponents, we are not leaving the battlefield, information war!

    A serious analysis of the situation, in one area or another, is done by professional analysts, not politicians, statesmen, and especially not those who consider themselves to be mass media - with a few exceptions. In many cases, we will never see their full expert opinion. Everything else is an attempt to present your vision to a particular problem!
  • svp67
    svp67 2 September 2013 17: 24
    +1
    Information that has been widely disseminated on the Internet that Syria shot down an American F-22, as well as four Tomahawk missiles, is untrue. This is written by Lebanese media with reference to a source in Hezbollah.
    This is from the news. So, while the war is at the "information" stage. We must wait for September 4, if they do not hit until this moment, then the next date will start from September 9, but before that there is a lot that can change ...
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 3 September 2013 04: 06
    0
    US on the verge of political suicide ...