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Destruction Cole destroyer: US Navy power and vulnerability

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“Tomorrow morning, at dawn, I’ll become just a flash of light,” sang 20-year-old Abdullah, directing his fragile canoe towards “the citadel of the crusaders and world Zionism.”

The gray hulk under the star-and-striped flag was serenely dozing in the port of Aden, not suspecting that the infernal boat filled with 300 kg of explosives was already on the “combat course” - two obsessed Arab men were ready to give their lives in a holy war with the infidels. Inshallah

October 12 2000 of the year, in 11: 18 local time, at the left side of the USS Cole (DDG-67) exploded a monstrous force explosion, which made a hole in the casing with 9 dimensions on 12 meters. Having torn up the “tin” side of the destroyer, the shock wave and hot products of the explosion spread through the internal compartments of the ship, destroying everything in its path. Having exploded the engine room, the blast wave reached the upper deck and burst into the ship's dining room. The Yankees were unlucky - at that moment there were a large number of sailors and foremen who had gathered for lunch; This circumstance significantly increased the number of casualties among the destroyer personnel.

In total, 17 seafarers were killed as a result of an attack on an American ship, 39 people were injured of varying degrees of gravity and were immediately evacuated by a special flight to Landstuhl (the largest American military hospital in Old World, located near Ramstein Air Base, Germany).



Over the next few days, frigates and destroyers of the US Navy and NATO countries arrived in Aden, amphibious assault ships Anchorage, Duluth and Tarawa, transports and tugs of the Shipping Command, transport aircraft with the base in Bahrain was urgently brought a detachment of marines.

The explosion caused catastrophic changes in the design of the destroyer: “Cole” immediately lost its travel and electric power; the engine rooms and adjacent spaces of the ship were flooded, the gas turbines and the propeller shaft failed, and the AN / SPY-1 radar was damaged. There was a fire and a roll of 4 ° on the port side. The terrible destroyer completely lost his combat capability and turned into a battered metal pile with negative buoyancy - only the crew’s tremendous efforts to fight for the survivability of their ship, as well as active assistance from the rescued NATO ships, allowed the destroyer to be saved and evacuated to the United States.

A significant role was played by the peaceful situation and the absence of a repetition of enemy attacks - if this happened during real hostilities - the crew would be removed, and the mortally wounded destroyer would immediately finish off his colleagues with fire.

Destruction Cole destroyer: US Navy power and vulnerability


3 November 2000 of the year Cole was loaded onto a specially hired Norwegian transport ship MV Blue Marlin and 24 in November of the same year, arrived at the Ingalls Shipbuilding shipyard in Pascagoula (Mississippi).

Inspection of "Cole" by the shipyard experts showed that the explosion did not hurt the keel - the ship is subject to recovery. The modular design of the destroyer allowed to completely replace the damaged equipment with large blocks weighing up to 550 tons - repair and restoration work continued for 16 months and, according to official data, cost the Pentagon 243 million dollars.

19 April 2002, the Cole returned to the US Navy.

"Vereshchagin, leave the launch!" Or some additions to stories with USS Cole

Destroying a warship like the USS Cole in an open sea battle is a billion question. No less powerful ships and nuclear submarines will be needed, salvoes of cruise missiles, surgical precision artillery fire or slaughter torpedo weapon.

The attack of a ship stationed in the harbor of a prepared naval base is no less difficult. Examples from the history of Italian underwater saboteurs (Alexandria, Gibraltar, possible participation in the death of LC Novorossiysk) indicate that in order to break the anti-sabotage protection of a large naval base (nets, booms, patrols on motorboats), unique equipment and knowledge of special techniques are required - mini-submarines and man-torpedoes, special skills of masking and breathing, magnetic mines. This was only possible for top-class specialists.

It should be noted that for the success of sabotage attacks against highly protected surface ships (TKR and LK), it was necessary to strike in the underwater, the most vulnerable part of the ship, outside the armor belt - otherwise, the charge of mines would not cause critical damage.

In this case, the special operation of Italian saboteurs against the British cruiser "York" with the use of exploding boats (1941 year) is very indicative. Despite the apparent similarities with the Arab terrorists, the Italians used a special technique: in a collision with a target, the boat broke and sank into the water - the mine was activated only at a certain depth. Obviously, the easy booking of the cruiser played a certain role, both in complicating the attack pattern and in minimizing damage — two powerful explosions (2 x 300 kg BB) mutilated the Yoros corps, but the crew lost only ... 2 people!

Agree, a little like the incident with the "Cole".

The case with the undermining of the Cole is a unique incident in which a ship worth more than 1 billion dollars was completely incapacitated with the help of an 300 dollar boat with bags of improvised explosives. As for the carcasses of two suicide bombers - their lives were worth nothing for Arab terrorist organizations.

No tricks with the immersion of mines in the water - an explosion thundered on the surface, next to the ship. The damage from the explosion exceeded 200 million dollars, while 17 killed a man from the crew of the destroyer.
How did this become possible?



USS Cole - 17-th in a row Aegis-destroyer of the type "Orly Burk", refers to the 1-th (obsolete) sub-series "Berkov". The main armament is 90 of the Mk.41 system of emergency protection: “Tomahawks”, anti-submarine missile torpedoes, long range missile systems of the Standerd family
The destroyer is named in honor of the hero of the Second World War, a sergeant of marines, machine gunner Derrell S. Cole.
Bookmark - February 1994, launching - February 1995, accepted fleet June 1996 year.


Studies of numerous expert commissions of the Navy, the US Congress and foreign intelligence have shown that the terrorist attack that has occurred is the result of a combination of many circumstances. The inflaming war in the Muslim East, in which the US is fighting an invisible and omnipresent enemy, the lack of a clear front line, the ability of fanatics to easily sacrifice their lives, insufficient precautions, and negligence on the part of foreign intelligence - all this led to the largest tragedy in modern American fleet history.

During the investigation, documents and reports of CIA informants in the Middle East were found, of which it was clear that even nine months before the bombing of Cole, the suicide bombers were preparing to carry out a similar terrorist attack against the destroyer USS The Sullivans (DDG-68) during its entry into Aden 3 January 2000. When the boat with the suicide bomber had already reached its initial position, he suddenly tilted and rolled over, carrying the hapless saboteur to the bottom - apparently blinded by his own rage, the terrorists overloaded the fragile floating craft with explosives (or maybe just bought a boat that was too full of holes).
There was evidence that another terrorist group was preparing a similar attack on the ships of the US Navy in the port of Kuala Lumpur - Al-Qaeda planned to celebrate on a grand scale the onset of the "new millennium."

The report of the Congress expressed confidence that getting all these messages on purpose - and the story of Cole might not happen: if there was a clear orientation on terrorists, the command of the Navy had the opportunity to prevent a terrorist attack.

At the same time, the report notes the extreme difficulty of preventing such episodes — in the case of Cole, the motorboat of the terrorists until the last moment hid from the watch of the watchmen behind the barge-garbage collector.

It is noteworthy that the crew of the Cole was not brought to justice - on the contrary, the sailors were recognized as heroes. Specialists and investigators were struck by the competent actions of personnel on the localization of flooding, fires, the organization of medical care to victims and the adoption of other measures in the struggle for survivability. This is despite the fact that the average age among the sailors and foremen was only 22-24 of the year, and many were hardly 19.

When the surviving sailors were asked how they managed not to become confused and take competent actions to save the ship, they all answered as one: we went through this in the “training”. The answer is quite logical - in the US Navy, there has always been an increased focus on the struggle for survivability. As the joke goes, the second specialty of an American sailor is firefighter.

In order to prevent such attacks and minimize the damage, the command of the US Navy has developed two main areas of work:

To repel possible attacks by terrorists, an entire complex of melee weapon systems was installed on board the ships: in addition to the standard Browning of the 50 caliber, on each destroyer an even more menacing and destructive weapon appeared - automatic guns of the BushMaster of 25 or 30 caliber mm - it is enough one hit of such ammunition to smash a fiberglass boat or a motor boat to shreds. Advanced self-defense systems based on high-power lasers, as well as non-lethal infrasonic and acoustic weapons to prevent provocations are being developed.


Browning M2, 12,7 caliber bullet mm punches concrete walls like cardboard



Mk.38 Bushmaster 25 mm mount


But, the main thing is the general attitude among the crews: recently, the American ships began to shoot without any hesitation at any suspicious objects - the sailors seemed to have received new instructions regarding the rules of opening fire, they were removed from all responsibility for actions taken by them against foreign boats and yachts who dared to approach the US warships.

The Global Patriot warship, en route from the Persian Gulf to Europe, waited for permission to ship from the port of Suez to the Mediterranean. At this time in his direction began to move small boats with the Egyptians, intending to sell their goods.

Ignoring warnings from the side of the ship demanding to stop, the boats continued to move, after which the American naval sailors opened fire. Immediately after the incident, a crowd of angry locals gathered in the port of Suez, demanding punishment for the perpetrators. Currently, Global Patriot has already left the Red Sea and advanced through the Suez Canal to the Mediterranean.

- news from 25 March 2008 of the year

Associated Press - A representative of the American Consulate in Dubai confirmed a report about the death of one person as a result of the shelling of a motor fishing boat by an American warship.
The security team aboard the Rappahannock opened fire on the motorboat after the ship ignored all warnings and began to quickly approach the board of the ship. The incident occurred near the port city of Jebel Ali, 35 kilometers southwest of the city of Dubai.

- news from 17 July 2012 of the year

So citizens, resting on the seas, Be vigilant!

In addition to the rule of “shooting at everything that moves”, the command of the US Navy preoccupied itself with the problem of localizing the damage caused - if, nevertheless, the Arab “kamikaze” manages to get close to the board of the US Navy and deliver a blow with a power of a couple hundred kilograms of TNT.

For high-quality development of actions aimed at fighting for the survival of the ship, a life-size simulator of the Orly Burk destroyer was built at the Great Lakes naval base (Illinois)! "Multiplex 5D cinema" worth 80 million dollars!



Before you the most heroic ship in the world - USS Trayer (BST-21). Every day he “gets” under heavy fire of the enemy, gets hit by PKR and torpedoes - after which, his equally heroic “crew” rushes to the pumps and hose and begins to localize the damage.

80 million dollars were spent not in vain - the subwoofers installed beneath the deck broadcast the roar and groans of the wounded, from the gas nozzles installed all over the place beat flames, strobe lights, water splashes from the walls, sparks fly from the ceiling, smelling the smell of burning oil smelling from the walls… stretchers through the smoke-filled passages and the ship's ruined premises, the recruits unexpectedly stumble upon ... Yo-Moe !!!

What are you yelling, stupid, it's just a corpse!

A disfigured human "body" hangs from the ceiling in scraps of cables - everything should be as in reality.
The actions of the recruits are strictly monitored by the eyes of the video cameras - instructors from the Control Center assess the actions of the group of recruits and launch a new storyline ... A torpedo hit the starboard, flooding the engine room!

A radical decision?

Well, the efforts of the American command to train fleet personnel are commands of respect. However, in the opinion of many people related to the fleet, this problem is a consequence of the low security of all modern warships without exception.

At the very beginning of the construction of the Orly Berk destroyers, the Yankees were proud that the Berkov design implemented maximum measures to increase survivability and took into account the experience of modern local wars - competent internal layout, dispersal and duplication of important mechanisms, and 130 tons of Kevlar armor created Awesome illusion of high security destroyer. Alas, as shown by the Cole incident, the exploding (according to various estimates) 200-300 kg of explosives at the Orly Burk board causes catastrophic structural damage and leads to heavy losses among the ship’s crew. As a result, a situation arises where a suicide bomber on a conventional boat is able to disable a gigantic ship.

The solution can only be a radical increase in the security of the ship with the introduction of heavy booking.


"The most heroic ship" USS Trayer (BST-21)



Among the decorations of the "torn cockpit" is visible "bloodied" mannequin





Damaged by the blast wave of the radar phased array (destroyer Cole)



"Tin" board destroyer USS Porter (DDG-78) after colliding with a Japanese oil tanker, the Strait of Hormuz, 2012 year
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  1. Alikovo
    Alikovo 2 September 2013 08: 12
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    it would be better if that destroyer drowned.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 2 September 2013 09: 37
      +6
      Thank you for the article. As always interesting to read.
    2. 755962
      755962 2 September 2013 20: 20
      +2
      undermining (according to various estimates) 200-300 kg of explosives on board "Orly Burke" causes catastrophic structural damage and leads to heavy losses among the crew of the ship.

      Who is the thread remind, what is the weight of the BG in "Yakhont" ..... koi off the coast in Syria?
      1. Santa Fe
        2 September 2013 20: 54
        +3
        Quote: 755962
        Who is the thread remind, what is the weight of the BG in "Yakhont" ..... koi off the coast in Syria?

        What's the point? The flight range of the "Tomahawk" is many times greater - the Yankees do not need to crawl to the very shore

        Secondly, who will issue the Syrian calculation TSU beyond the horizon? - in this case, the firing range will be limited to a maximum of several tens of kilometers (if the radar is on a high hill)

        However, this is not even the point - take a look at the map: what is the area of ​​the main threat - Iraq, Turkey, Jordan or a 150-kilometer "strip" of the sea?))
  2. Nayhas
    Nayhas 2 September 2013 08: 40
    +6
    Oleg, NK can only be booked to the detriment of the armament or driving performance. The fact that modern ships are poorly resistant to mechanical damage and fire has been known for a long time and this is typical for any fleet. For example, project 11661 "Dagestan" during a storm made a bulk on the berth, as a result of which "the left side is dented and in some places over a considerable length of the hull above the waterline, welded seams are torn, gas exhaust is broken." Was it conceivable to receive such damage on a destroyer, for example, Project 30? It is doubtful that the armor will return to the warships ...
    1. sergey72
      sergey72 2 September 2013 08: 54
      +6
      And that Pr. 30 carried belt armor? The example of "Dagestan" is not indicative - damage from "bulk" and "dashing mooring" is inherent in any ship!
    2. Santa Fe
      2 September 2013 12: 32
      +5
      Quote: Nayhas
      It is doubtful that the armor will return to warships ...

      TARKR pr. 1144 - local armoring with a thickness of 50 to 100 mm: the area of ​​the Granite launcher, the main command post, reactor compartments and power plant, a helicopter hangar, a 3,5-meter "belt" in the waterline area along most of the ship's length. Total armor weight ~ 1100 tons

      Promising US Navy destroyer Zamvolt - peripheral armored UVP Mk.57

      life moves in a spiral ...
      Quote: Nayhas
      NK booking may be made only to the detriment of the armament or driving performance

      If you do not intentionally limit the displacement to the detriment of combat qualities, everything will fit in the hull within 18 thousand tons
      Here is a live example:

      TCR type Baltimore.
      9 x 203 mm, 6 twin x 127 mm, about 40 barrels FOR, cranes, catapults with seaplanes
      (convert it to modern weapons: UVP, AGS, helicopter hangar)
      Bronepoyas - 152 mm (102 in the underwater part)
      Decks - 76 mm
      Frontal armored parts of the GK towers - 203 mm
      Stroke - 33 knots
      Fuel autonomy - 10 thousand miles per 15 knots.

      And this is technology half a century ago!
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 2 September 2013 13: 06
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        TARKR pr. 1144 - local armoring with a thickness of 50 to 100 mm: the area of ​​the Granite launcher, the main command post, reactor compartments and power plant, a helicopter hangar, a 3,5-meter "belt" in the waterline area along most of the ship's length. Total armor weight ~ 1100 tons

        Pr.144 is generally an exception to the rule, more than this has not been repeated anywhere and is hardly foreseen.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        peripheral armored UVP Mk. 57

        That's just the point, pure protection of ammunition, no armored belts and anti-torpedo protection.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        If you do not intentionally limit the displacement to the detriment of combat qualities, everything will fit in the hull within 18 thousand tons

        The issue of displacement is a matter of ship value. The USA (and not only them) no longer build shock ships of more than 10 thousand tons. I think they, counting on a confrontation with the Soviet Navy, understood that getting a Chelomeevsky type anti-ship missile would not stand any reservation, the damage would be fatal ... So what's the point of spending so much money on 18 ton ships that in terms of armament and electronics will correspond to 10 tons? Terrorist attacks are the same as long as the rooster has not pecked at one place, now hell which shipchandler will approach the American ship without prior approval and verification by the inspection team smile
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        And this is technology half a century ago!

        Well then, there wasn’t a huge number of electronic units with a cooling system and service passages ... The same IJIS takes up a large amount ...
        PS: if you notice the domestic shipbuilders also do not indulge in armor. Just look at the photos of the last ships in 2/3 in the front, noticeable death of sheet metal in the set.
        1. Santa Fe
          2 September 2013 13: 36
          +1
          Quote: Nayhas
          That's just the point, pure protection of ammunition, no armored belts

          Exactly! Armored PVLS is an armored belt in a modern interpretation
          Quote: Nayhas
          The issue of displacement is a matter of ship value.

          Baltimore 2013 wink , of course, larger than 10 thousand ton burke
          Well, he has more options:
          I figured it out approximately, by weight and dimensions - up to 192 UVP Mk.41 (2 times more than Burke) + 2 x 155 mm marine AGS (it didn’t have anything like that). + impressive cruising range and armor - the Baltimore 2013 cruiser is not afraid of ANY light anti-ship missiles (Exocet, Inji - Papuans can twitch as much as they like, a cruiser is invulnerable for such pieces)
          Quote: Nayhas
          The USA (and not only them) no longer build shock ships of more than 10 thousand tons

          But what about the 14-ton Zwolt?

          Or the Arleigh Berke Flight III project (there will be under 12-13 thousand tons)
          Quote: Nayhas
          confrontation with the Soviet Navy understood that the entry of anti-ship missiles Chelomeevsky

          In the modern world, the main adversary of the fleet is the Papuans and local operations, in which there are many Chinese Yinji, S-802, Exocetons and other nonsense, mortally dangerous for any Ticonderoga or Burke
          It is for them that Baltimore-2013 is designed.

          And with the USSR / Russia, only Ohio with Trident-2 makes sense, there the cruisers have nothing to do
          Quote: Nayhas
          So what is the point of spending so much money on 18 tons of ships which in terms of weapons and electronics will correspond to 10 tons?

          2 times more UVP + heavy artillery, armor, swimming range, ease of crew accommodation, huge modernization potential and special capabilities (generating enough electricity to power AMDR and other voracious equipment, huge landing deck - for receiving heavy turntables, etc.)

          That's the point
          Quote: Nayhas
          Terror attacks are the same until the cock pecked in one place

          This is because the US Navy has never fought at sea for 70 years !!
          The only ones who participated in this modern naval warfare (light version) are the Falklands Britons. Result: a third of the squadron nearly died from unexploded bombs and anti-ship missiles
          Quote: Nayhas
          The same IJIS takes a large volume ...

          No more than an analog Ford Mk I Gunfire Control Computer
          or LMS Mk.37

          Bow Director Mk.37 on Cassin Young. Ancient radars are also not sour
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 2 September 2013 15: 13
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            the best armor is missile defense, in my opinion. an armor-piercing warhead on a rocket is nevertheless easier to put than building an armored cruiser. But he will serve 30–50 years later - during this time the Papuans will have supersonic sounds in their arsenal. The KSSh was subsonic, and the cruiser pierced right through. And then the headlamp on Cole was damaged by an explosion, and the cruiser would be damaged, radio-transparent armor had not yet been invented.
            and it’s written interestingly, as if an eyewitness wrote
            1. Santa Fe
              2 September 2013 21: 27
              +2
              Quote: Tlauicol
              the best armor is missiles

              I thought so too. Then I read the details, analyzed and realized that in MOST cases of the defeat of anti-ship missiles with grave consequences on the fleets of different countries (Sheffield, Stark, Hanit), the crew simply did not have time to react to the attack properly: eternal negligence / poor preparation / ordinary human stupidity / miscalculations or etc. natural causes. This also includes "Cole"

              And this is about the best of the best! The most combat-ready Navy - Israel, the United Kingdom, the United States, which are famous for their high training - are repeatedly foolish. There is reason to believe that if you find yourself in such a situation, the Russian Navy or China (Japan? France?) - it will all end in no less bad way

              Armor (passive protection) - in this case, the only acceptable solution.
              Quote: Tlauicol
              during this time the Papuans and supersonic in the arsenal will appear

              Will not appear. And if it appears - in a very limited number, aggravated by a small number of carriers

              The supersonic anti-ship missile system differs from the subsonic one, like a "penny" from the Chevrolet Tahoe

              First of all - weight and size parameters:
              Harpoon - 700 kg (starting weight)
              Inji-82 - 700 kg

              BraMos - 2,5 ... 3 tons
              Yakhont - 3100 kg
              Mosquito - more than 4000 kg

              All the fault is the huge energy consumption for accelerating the rocket to a speed of M> 1
              All this will affect the cost of the rocket, the difficulties with deployment and camouflage, as well as the number of carriers capable of installing such a carcass on their deck or lifting it into the air
              Quote: Tlauicol
              KSSh was subsonic, and the cruiser pierced right through

              The story sounds implausible. The only clear explanation is that the anti-ship missiles did NOT hit the armored belt. Or is it an ordinary bike
              Quote: Tlauicol
              The headlamp on Cole is damaged by an explosion, and the cruiser would be damaged

              Nothing wrong. The main thing is the crew, the course and combat efficiency are preserved. Tomahawks can be launched without the headlamp. How to shoot from a 155 mm gun AGS
              Quote: Tlauicol
              and it’s written interestingly, as if an eyewitness wrote

              There have been cases)))
              1. tlauicol
                tlauicol 3 September 2013 04: 57
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                RCC missed the armored belt? suppose .. but the fact of the matter is that you DO NOT reserve the WHOLE cruiser, it turns out that a subsonic missile can flash through it and don’t ask why you didn’t hit the armored belt? And do you get into a superstructure? Aegis cried, and the losses will be serious. Here the little NSM gets into the frigate, into the nasal superstructure - the ship stayed afloat (and the cruiser will remain), but his eyes were definitely knocked out. And this is one of the low-power.
                the Americans also analyzed these cases and came to the conclusion: firing from the Bushmasters on the junks and building a simulator is cheaper than dozens of new cruisers
                1. Santa Fe
                  3 September 2013 12: 46
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                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  but the fact of the matter is that you WILL NOT reserve the WHOLE cruiser,

                  will reserve

                  Side: 152 mm armored belt (Baltimore-type + internal Kevlar anti-shatter layer + 10 mm casing) - absolute protection against any light RCC
                  Add-on: 50 ... 150 mm (here you can experiment with rational angles of inclination)
                  Deck - 76 mm, in the area of ​​UVP and cellars - under 100

                  nasal tip and chimneys may remain unarmored
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  rush through and don’t ask why you didn’t hit the armored belt?

                  If you do b / n along the entire height of the side, there will be no such questions.
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  And do you get into a superstructure?

                  The same armor + rats. armor tilt angles
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Aegis cried, and the losses will be serious.

                  One of four HEADLIGHTS radar AN / SPY-1 cried
                  No casualties among personnel; no fire; the ship retained combat readiness - as required
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  Here the little NSM gets into the frigate, into the bow superstructure - the ship stayed afloat

                  She went inside the tin case and rushed inside, completely unfolding the superstructure
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  but his eyes were definitely broken.

                  In the case of the berk, this threatens dozens of victims, hundreds of millions of damage or even the death of the destroyer
                  In the case of Baltimore 2013 - in the worst case, the radar will only be damaged; at best - a dent in the armored belt, a couple of armor plates turned out of place
                  Quote: Tlauicol
                  the Americans also analyzed these cases and came to the conclusion: firing from the Bushmasters on the junks and building a simulator is cheaper than dozens of new cruisers

                  The Americans have nothing to analyze - they have never fought at sea in the last 70 years. Their ships are built more for demonstration of power than for real databases (the only argument is the launch of "axes")

                  In the event of an escalation of the database, the number of cases like "Cole" and "Stark" will noticeably increase - this is where the tin will be
                  1. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 3 September 2013 15: 23
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                    Yeah, you "analyzed and understood", but "Americans have nothing to analyze" - of course you won't die of modesty :))
                    1. Santa Fe
                      3 September 2013 15: 26
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                      Essentially have something to add?
                      1. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 3 September 2013 15: 43
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                        Oleg, it’s hard to argue essentially about the merits of the mythical cruiser Baltimore 2013, which is all covered with 150mm armor, including a superstructure. I can’t give examples of light missiles getting into the superstructure of this phantasmogory ship, and my examples of penetration of three types of cruisers by a subsonic missile, including a linear one, they didn’t suit you (they argued in an article about American cruisers, if memory serves)
                      2. Santa Fe
                        3 September 2013 16: 11
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                        Baltimore 2013 is not so mythical.
                        No nanotechnology and ballasts - just an old galosh sample of 1943 with modern weapons.
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        which is all covered with 150mm armor, including a superstructure

                        why does it surprise you
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        and my examples of penetration by a subsonic missile of three types of cruisers, including a linear one, did not suit you

                        You know, about KK it may even be true - the power supply unit is only 75 mm, besides, there is a decent physical wear of the structure. And some "Exocet" or Chinese C-802 is not a 2-ton KS-1 "Comet" with 600 kg warhead
                      3. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 3 September 2013 16: 32
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                        surprises of course! just look at the superstructure of Tikondirogi - I immediately think, where is there 150mm of armor? and Baltimore itself had 150mm not along the entire length, width, height of the side. no matter how it turned out "the anti-ship missile did not hit the armor belt"
                      4. Santa Fe
                        3 September 2013 16: 51
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        I’ll just take a look at the Tikondiroga add-on - I’m immediately thinking, where is the 150mm armor?

                        Ticonderoga is not the standard
                        You can do it by the type of Zamvolt. Or leave in the image of the original Baltimore



                        Cover the walls with a dozen 100 mm slabs? What problems can arise here?
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        no matter how it turned out, "anti-ship missiles did not hit the armor belt"

                        Yes, please. Only this will not cause critical damage.

                        The cruiser Pittsburgh was blown off by a hurricane. I crossed the ocean on my own. By the way, the nose was also saved - a couple of weeks later it was dragged by a tug
                      5. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 3 September 2013 19: 28
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                        nifiga yourself - Zamvolt weighs 15000 tons without armor - will it not turn over?
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                      7. tlauicol
                        tlauicol 3 September 2013 19: 39
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                        Well, Baltimore will be bigger. and Kevlar or 100mm of armor for the entire superstructure + board over the entire height of 150mm - these are two big differences
                      8. Santa Fe
                        3 September 2013 19: 45
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                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        Well, Baltimore will be bigger.

                        Well, what am I talking about
                        Baltimore 2013
                        Quote: Tlauicol
                        and Kevlar or 100mm of armor for the whole add-on +

                        all this is integrated into the construction of the ship's superstructure - instead of the usual skin and power set
                  2. Santa Fe
                    3 September 2013 19: 38
                    +1
                    Baltimore has 18 thousand.

                    The add-on can be made squat, the thickness of the armor plates in the upper part is reduced to 3 dm. (76 mm) - rational armor tilt angles will help.

                    By the way, Zamvolt has an armored belt - PVLS Mk. 57

                    New Jersey conning tower. Won't roll over?
                  3. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 4 September 2013 04: 14
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                    New Jersey will not roll over, and a ship with a superstructure like that of a wreck or more? and then, the radars are still open to ext. impact, at least 300mm of armor hang. I think that an armor-piercing warhead is easier to implement than building a new series of armored cruisers. what threats are there for the US Navy: such ships are not needed in a nuclear war with Russia (it is better to develop missile defense bases.), all sorts of Syria-Iran will not be able to reach (amers are unlikely to trample on the Bastions, Redoubts, when there is Tomahawk and Hornet) protection against terrorists on boats build a cruiser? The Bushmaster and USS Trayer (BST-21) described by you will be cheaper
                    And PVLS Mk.57 is not PU for an hour?
                  4. Santa Fe
                    4 September 2013 12: 27
                    +1
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    New Jersey will not roll over, and a ship with a superstructure like that of a wreck or more?

                    Baltimore somehow did not roll over.
                    Although he has a 165 mm conning tower. And a dozen five-inch machines in a circle on superstructures + 20-30 installations "Bofors" and "Oerlikon"
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    and then, the radars are still open to ext. impacts

                    Nonsense.
                    The main thing is that the crew and weapons are intact, the course has been saved and the corps has NOT been torn apart. You can launch Axes and shoot at targets beyond the horizon of 155 mm AGS without a radar with a HEADLIGHT
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    all sorts of Syria-Iran will not be able to reach (amers are unlikely to trample on the Bastions, Redoubts, when there is Tomahawk and Hornet)

                    Why then was the AGS system created?
                    Zamvolt was originally positioned as a ship for shelling the coast
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    And build a cruiser on the boats to protect against terrorists on boats? Bushmaster

                    How about shelling bases and parking lots of US Navy ships in the Middle East with mortars and heavy weapons?

                    At least two explosions thundered in Aqaba. The first rocket exploded in the port of Aqaba. At approximately 08:44 am local time, a rocket fired from a mortar hit a warehouse located next to the Ashland and Kirsarge ships. A hole with a diameter of about 2,5 m formed in the roof of the building. Jordanian soldier Ahmed Jamal Saleh was mortally wounded and died on the way to the hospital

                    The Yankees are fortunate that there is no serious war against them. Arabs' stocks are like that, trifle
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    And PVLS Mk.57 is not PU for an hour?

                    The peripheral armored launcher, forming the ship’s armored belt
                  5. Santa Fe
                    4 September 2013 12: 42
                    +1
                    And here, by the way, is the modernized Baltimore - the Albany missile cruiser. There were no problems with stability
                  6. tlauicol
                    tlauicol 4 September 2013 14: 20
                    0
                    the conning tower is not yet a Zamvolt add-on, it will take place from nasal barbets to five-inch feed barbets and will be the height of this Baltimore’s pipe (by sight). And Albany’s aluminum is not 100 mm of armor, agree
                    RIP Ahmed Jamal Saleh of course, but Congress will not have enough motivation
                  7. Santa Fe
                    4 September 2013 15: 02
                    +1
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    conning tower is not yet a superstructure of Zamvolt

                    I agree with Zamvolt - the superstructure is too high. But you can split them into two (as in Baltimore), reducing them in height
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    And aluminum Albany is not 100mm of armor, agree

                    But what a height! (lever rule)
                    how many bulky radar stations, platforms, ladders, high-located launchers "Tartars" and "Talos", two tall mast-pipes - and all this is within 2/3 of the hull
                    Quote: Tlauicol
                    but Congress doesn’t have that much motivation

                    Well, I say the Yankees are lucky that no one is seriously fighting with them
  • bear
    bear 2 September 2013 09: 26
    0
    It’s a pity that he didn’t drown, entot amerovsky ship laughing
  • svskor80
    svskor80 2 September 2013 09: 29
    +7
    A warship for that and a warship that should always be kept on guard and at the posts (on machine guns and automatic guns). Cole’s tragedy is, in my opinion, a banal negligence and a relaxed crew, and no armor will save from this.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 2 September 2013 09: 56
      +3
      Quote: svskor80
      Cole’s tragedy is, in my opinion, a banal negligence and a relaxed crew, and no armor will save from this.

      What is negligence? Well, what sort of cutter is spinning for the garbage collector, perhaps one of the shipchandlers (usually dozens of boats and boats are spinning around the ship trying to boil their goods), how can the crew know the terrorists on it or the merchants? There’s no war, you won’t sink all the boats approaching the ship?
      1. Santa Fe
        2 September 2013 12: 14
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        There’s no war, you won’t sink all the boats approaching the ship?

        You will)))
      2. papik09
        papik09 3 September 2013 04: 24
        +1
        If you want to live, you don’t get so excited. laughing
    2. stoqn477
      stoqn477 2 September 2013 11: 36
      +2
      As far as I remember the press analysis of the incident, the port is seen as friendly. Intelligence agencies provided data of the impending danger, but the State Department, where the information provided by the data is not accepted as a threat. Since then, there is no information about the threat, the crew did not receive relevant instructions and increased vigilance. In my observations after this event, measures were taken to protect the ships from asymmetric threats. This use case was necessary for this.
  • Krsk
    Krsk 2 September 2013 09: 32
    +1
    And if you beat Granite ???
    1. Hey
      Hey 2 September 2013 10: 04
      +3
      Why am I afraid that he will fly right through him and then explode.
    2. clidon
      clidon 2 September 2013 20: 24
      +1
      I think that 50/50 will stay afloat or sink. The main problem of the "granite" is to find a target and fly to it, and there will be enough power for a destroyer.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 2 September 2013 09: 59
    +6
    If SUCH destruction and losses could be caused by a fragile boat with two or three hundred TNT, which exploded not far from the side, what will the Yakhont anti-ship missile destroyer do with such a destroyer with its XNUMX-kilogram warhead, which tore INSIDE the hull? There will obviously be nothing and no one to repair there.
  • sub307
    sub307 2 September 2013 10: 37
    +1
    Yes, the mess is simply to blame for everything, a simple rash on the part of the destroyer crew. In order to let the watercraft approach the board, you just need to "sleep", or be in a state of extreme complacency and dull confidence in your own omnipotence. Well, okay, a sabotage operation, as our dry-cargo ships - "Chirkov" and "Vislobokov" were called, in P. Namib (Angola) "blasted" in the 80s. But, what would be the case, to approach a battleship not some kind of "laybe" through "open" water?
  • Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 2 September 2013 11: 13
    +3
    The actions of the crew to fight for the survivability of the ship are impressive. Especially in conditions of "... negative buoyancy ..." wassat Directly not a surface ship, but a submarine. Will our annuals be able to save the ship in a similar situation? That's what is interesting, not sighing "... sorry I didn't sink ...". Moreover, the roll of 4 degrees announced in the article with such a hole in the engine room sounds like a compliment to the crew.
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 2 September 2013 13: 03
      0
      For high-quality development of actions aimed at fighting for the survival of the ship, a life-size simulator of the Orly Burk destroyer was built at the Great Lakes naval base (Illinois)! "Multiplex 5D cinema" worth 80 million dollars!


      Given how much money is spent on their preparation, it is not surprising!
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 2 September 2013 14: 42
      +1
      Quote: Nick_1972
      ... Will our annuals be able to save the ship in a similar situation? That's what is interesting, not sighing "... sorry I didn't sink ..."

      Are you so naive, or do you seem so? Until now, it seemed to me that the Navy, as well as in all the Russian Armed Forces, had contabas on ships. On some ships, for three years of service, sailors could not see each other, not to mention the full knowledge of the ship, so you underestimate the capabilities of our sailors and training.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 2 September 2013 15: 00
        0
        in 2005, on the Neva, the flagship of the TFR Parade Undaunted nearly drowned and was towed to the dock. The reason is the explosion of 3kg explosives (imitation mines) a few meters from the side. The struggle for vitality is a solid misfortune!
        But the Americans are not made a finger in this matter
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 2 September 2013 15: 20
          0
          Indomitable that is
        2. Papakiko
          Papakiko 2 September 2013 16: 38
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          The reason is the explosion of 3kg explosives (imitation mines) a few meters from the side.

          Do you believe that?
          Quote: Tlauicol
          a few meters from the side.

          You need to be taken to a training ground or to an exercise and in reality show the power and consequences of the explosions. Although you can find it in "Yu-tube". And it will be less informative and nonsense.
          Quote: Tlauicol
          But the Americans are not made a finger in this matter

          And what "tool" are they made, maybe they have women with a transverse location of the genitals?
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 2 September 2013 18: 08
            +2
            Are these all your arguments?
      2. Nick_1972
        Nick_1972 2 September 2013 17: 13
        +4
        I don’t know who is serving you, but the son of friends recently demobilized. He served for a year, destroyer Bystry, Pacific Fleet, damage control battalion, then transferred to Panteleev's BOD. Therefore, you can keep your naive confidence about professionalism to yourself. Conscripts have served and continue to serve. Although, given the discipline of the contractors, it is not known which is better.
  • sdohnisuka
    sdohnisuka 2 September 2013 11: 19
    0
    and if the same granite for some kind of museum like rk "moskva". will there be a lot of things to repair?
    1. Santa Fe
      2 September 2013 12: 09
      +3
      Quote: sdohnisuka
      and if the same granite for some kind of museum such as the rk "moscow"

      Who will shoot at their own ?!
      And the Yankees have no granites - only plastic Harpoons
      1. clidon
        clidon 2 September 2013 20: 27
        +1
        Considering the fact that "Moscow" has aluminum superstructures, it is better that nothing gets in.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 2 September 2013 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: sdohnisuka
    and if the same granite for some kind of museum like rk "moskva". will there be a lot of things to repair?

    This "museum" is still able to show "Kuzkin's mother"!
  • omsbon
    omsbon 2 September 2013 12: 30
    +1
    The only thing that can be envied is that the amers have "the most heroic ship."
    A thing necessary for the full training of crews!
  • lazy
    lazy 2 September 2013 13: 18
    0
    and yet the terrorists are stupid, nothing got in their way when they went to the side to sink the explosives in order to shandarah stronger, okay, the performers, it seems, and the organizers, God forbid, have finished school.
  • Cormorants
    Cormorants 2 September 2013 13: 56
    -1
    I'm looking at the Americans captured in the photographs, and they have a down on their faces.
    These are not warriors.
  • barbiturate
    barbiturate 2 September 2013 15: 54
    0
    I liked the article, I have always been and will be for the reservation on the ship.
  • goats denis
    goats denis 2 September 2013 19: 53
    -4
    Our would immediately drown
  • coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 2 September 2013 20: 12
    0
    The article is normal. We were taught the same thing in textbooks back in the 80s. It's like a primer for first-graders. On the ship without it you are ballast. This Abdullah just made a psychic attack. Fighting swimmers solve such problems once or twice. In the current situation with Syria, this that it is necessary. Elephants are not in vain afraid of mice.
  • Sergl
    Sergl 2 September 2013 21: 12
    0
    For me, the main argument in strengthening the reservation is not the fact of safety = Aegis’s insecureness, but the fact that after the explosion the ship lost speed and electricity, a large number of sailors died, and the ship itself was saved only thanks to outside help.

    High-precision weapons are good, but what can bring down a projectile flying along a ballistic trajectory?
    1. Santa Fe
      2 September 2013 21: 36
      +2
      Quote: SerGL
      For me, the main argument in strengthening the reservation is not the fact of safety = Aegis’s insecureness, but the fact that after the explosion the ship lost speed and electricity, a large number of sailors died, and the ship itself was saved only thanks to outside help.

      I absolutely agree with you.
      Axes can be launched without the AN / SPY-1 radar. Like shooting a cannon or using an anti-submarine helicopter.
      The connection is preserved - it is much better protected, the crew is intact, the course is preserved, there are no fires and floods - the ship is able to continue the battle
      Quote: SerGL
      What can bring down a projectile flying along a ballistic trajectory?

      The Yankees use Falanx trailers to defend bases in Afghanistan and Iraq from mortar shells.
      1. old man54
        old man54 2 September 2013 23: 28
        +1
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        The Yankees use Falanx trailers to defend bases in Afghanistan and Iraq from mortar shells.

        and what, it, "Falanx", is really able to hit such a minimum-small-sized targets like a mortar shell and at this speed ??? I doubt something very much ...
        1. Santa Fe
          3 September 2013 00: 45
          0
          Quote: old man54
          and what, it, "Falanx", is really able to hit such a minimum-small-sized targets like a mortar shell and at this speed ??? I doubt something very much ...

          Well, as you see, they use

          speed? like RCC ~ 1M
          pointing accuracy? Radar + optics, obviously it makes sense, just use
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 3 September 2013 00: 53
            +3
            Shipboard 20-mm Vulkan-Falanks installation.
            1. Alex 241
              Alex 241 3 September 2013 00: 55
              +1
              Duet - Ship Artillery (AK 630-M2)
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 3 September 2013 01: 04
                +1
                Clear info! good Russia burns as usual! drinks
  • old man54
    old man54 2 September 2013 23: 19
    +5
    I liked the article, it was written very lively and tastefully, it is easy, pleasant and informative to read! Thank you Oleg!
    But there is a small question:
    Quote: author
    The Cole bombing incident is a unique incident in which a ship worth more than $ 1 billion was completely disabled using a $ 300 boat carrying bags of improvised explosives. Concerning carcasses of two suicide bombers - their life for Arab terrorist organizations not worth anything.

    Oleg, let's all together and systematically move away from the Western yankers' cliches, especially if we, well, at least some of us, understand that the United States is far from our partners, even, and they never were! These clichés of the West: "... they are suicide bombers, they are moral creatures of the type, they are" terrorists "(ie, they are outside the world law and order)" - these are all fragments of information processing of people, their consciousness and suggestion understanding the essence of what is happeningamer people on the planet! In reality, it’ll run into someone or not, but these guys - WAR (!), they died in battle with an enemy many thousands of times superior in strength! Yes, they consciously gave their lives, but gave them without hanging in a loop at home, as the great number of our fellow citizens and privileged Europeans do today; not jumping from the bridge from the dope of his or unhappy love; and not like distraught Yankers bursting into the school and institutions of America and killing all the time indiscriminately there, who would not get in their way! For them this is war and struggle, and it is not their fault that they do not have weapons adequate in strength and power to the American. Our grandfathers, too, with a bottle of "Molotov cocktail" went to the German tanks, blew up and died at the same time in 1941, not because they did not want to live then, but because apparently they did not have any other medium did not work then. And Alexander Matrosov, deliberately covering the embrasure of the bunker with his chest, is not a fanatic bomber, but a hero, Oleg agrees? But if you look detachedly at his feat, Matrosov, and the feat of these Arab boys, then I don't see much difference between them. There is no particular difference between the Japanese komikadze pilots in 44/45 and our pilots who sent their wrecked and burning cars to enemy fortifications, ammunition stations and columns of tanks! Our partisans and underground fighters in the territories occupied by the Germans performed no less courageous and desperate actions in the fight against their enemy, and often clearly understood that they would not return alive. So then, they are also "suicide bombers" and terrorists? By the way, this is what the propaganda of Goebbels called them then!
    In short, let's not sing "in one tune" with the amerovskoy cunning and at the same time false propaganda and mix with dirt heroes and warriors who dared and dare to challenge this world monster and a real terrorist state today - the USA !!!
    Thank you for the article, Oleg!
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 2 September 2013 23: 25
      -1
      Quote: old man54
      In reality, if it runs into someone or not, but these guys of the war (!), They died in battle with an enemy that exceeded them many thousands of times!

      And who is the suicide bomber in Domodedovo? Also a "guy of war"? Do you even know how these suicide bombers are being prepared?
      1. old man54
        old man54 2 September 2013 23: 45
        0
        Quote: Spade
        Quote: old man54
        In reality, if it runs into someone or not, but these guys of the war (!), They died in battle with an enemy that exceeded them many thousands of times!

        And who is the suicide bomber in Domodedovo?

        please do not distort, Lopatov. You are by no means a stupid person, although somewhat vindictive. wink A suicide bomber in Domodedovo destroyed innocent civilians, civilians, not soldiers, namely women and children! I will not understand and will not accept this when, under any circumstances! And I did not write about such terrorists, this is a crime against honor, and man, and the war (soldier) in general, as well as against universal morality! And these guys attacked a warship, why don’t you like that? There were soldiers of the occupying army, more precisely, sailors, but these are already details. soldier
        Quote: Spade
        Also a "guy of war"?

        When writing a hyphen I did not put between these words, I'm sorry, that’s the meaning of the written one a little lost (already corrected). These guys are WAR! I meant it.
        Quote: Spade
        Do you even know how these suicide bombers are prepared?

        well, very generally, from the media, and if you think that I went through this training, you are mistaken. bully But I know how the military personnel in the USSR Armed Forces were morally and mentally trained, also no less "hard", I'm talking about officers and about special types of troops and specialties. Our same pilots, in case of urgent need, were ready to ram the enemy's computer center without hesitation, realizing clearly that they were unlikely to survive after that! So what? Terrorists?
        1. Santa Fe
          3 September 2013 01: 37
          0
          Quote: old man54
          A suicide bomber in Domodedovo destroyed innocent civilians, civilians, not soldiers, namely women and children! I will not understand and will not accept this when, under any circumstances!

          But in my opinion everything is logical.
          No state is capable of supporting an army of more than 10-12% of its population. A soldier needs to be born, raised, taught, loving, fed, dressed, equipped ... There is an irreconcilable war between east and west, the Islamists say in their sermons literally the following: it’s good to kill women infidels, because it gives grief to the infidels and undermines their moral disposition. Killing old infidels is good, because these are soldiers at rest, whose hands are covered with the blood of Muslims.

          And I must admit, from the point of view of logic and evolution, they are right. According to these laws, the entire biosphere of the planet Earth lives. Denying this is stupid: the same as saying
          Tiger - nothing to do with it! A tiger is only claws, but the whole tiger: skin, head, fur, paws, tail - all this has nothing to do with it!

          So it is here: the army is the claws of the "tiger". Everything else "torso, paws, tail" is factories, cities, fields, agriculture, taxes, banking system, transport, infrastructure of the country - without all this, the existence of an army is impossible
          1. old man54
            old man54 3 September 2013 06: 56
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            There is an irreconcilable war between east and west

            Yes exactly! But you don’t understand one thing, Oleg, that the WEST IS EVIL, in the literal sense, but the East ... But tell me, is Russia West or East ??
            Understand, potentially we should be together with the middle and south east! And only then can we defeat the West! Globally and coordinately win once and for all !!! And this is 1000 times better than you are understood by the Zionists, and therefore they climb over and over before, in order to prevent rapprochement between these peoples, and not even between countries! And money, oil, politics, this is just a screen, the question is so deep and comprehensive that it cannot be conveyed!
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Islamists say literally the following in their sermons: it’s good to kill women infidels, because it gives grief to the infidels and undermines their moral disposition. Killing old infidels is good, because these are soldiers at rest, whose hands are covered with the blood of Muslims.

            you again confuse what stands out as Islam today, but in reality it is not Islam. This is Wahhabism - pure evilsuch as Roman Catholicism in Christianity!
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            And I must admit, from the point of view of logic and evolution, they are right. According to these laws, the entire biosphere of the planet Earth lives. Deny is stupid

            You are wrong here, Oleg! Animals do not destroy each other in the same way as humans often do. Yes, they can eat each other, but most of all only when they are hungry and enough to satisfy their hunger. Modern people destroy each other out of malice, hatred and thirst for power and desire for domination. Personally, I see that the animal world today is much smarter and more humane than many people on Earth. hi
            1. Santa Fe
              3 September 2013 13: 11
              -1
              Quote: old man54
              And tell me, is Russia the West or the East ??

              From the point of view of appearance, a similar lifestyle and culture - Russia is undoubtedly WEST

              Although there are wild oriental motifs, the same rule is on the road: the one with the heaviest and more jeep rides first; nepotism and bribery, exorbitant passion for luxury (Ruble, palaces and yachts)

              To equate Russia with some Germany or England and ask why the Germans are so clean and well organized, but for us everything is different - the question is incorrect.

              Slavic ethnos is a very young and rapidly developing tribe; historically Slavs are 800 years younger than the Germans
        2. Santa Fe
          3 September 2013 01: 44
          0
          Quote: old man54
          And these guys attacked a warship, why don’t you like that?

          Yes, they had something to attack on the drum
          US Embassy in Kenya and Nairobi, US destroyer, French tanker ...

          The French super-tanker Linburg, sailing to the port of Yemen, located 400 kilometers east of Aden, was rammed by a small vessel filled with explosives, after which an explosion occurred on the vessel. 20 of the 25 tanker crew members were rescued from a burning ship.
          - news of October 6, 2002
          1. old man54
            old man54 3 September 2013 06: 12
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Yes, they had something to attack on the drum

            no, not on the drum, Oleg! Sorry, but this is a very primitive opinion inflated by Westernizing media! They are far from a drum!
            1. Santa Fe
              3 September 2013 13: 03
              0
              Quote: old man54
              They are far from a drum!

              Fact is fact - tanker blown up

              It will be necessary - they will blow up both the school and the mosque - there are so many explosions in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria or Lebanon ... and we do. At that time, the destroyer was blown up only because it was a good major goal (at least the organizers thought so). The performers did not think about anything at all - they would be told they would blow up a kindergarten or a wedding (a popular wedding entertainment in Afghanistan)
    2. Santa Fe
      3 September 2013 01: 26
      0
      Quote: old man54
      I liked the article, it was written very lively and tastefully, it is easy, pleasant and informative to read! Thank you Oleg!

      Nice to hear it, thanks
      Quote: old man54
      these guys are WARS (!), they died in battle with an enemy many thousands of times stronger than them! Yes, they consciously gave their lives

      Do you see the matter, Andrey
      For the average Russian, brought up on Christian traditions It is extremely difficult and almost IMPOSSIBLE to repeat the feat of Islamic fanatics (or Japanese Kamikaze)

      A comparison of suicide bombers with Matrosov or Gasteloo is incorrect. Our heroes lived an ordinary life and until the last moment they did not want to die

      Islamic Fanatics from childhood prepare for their "mission", and literally live in anticipation of death. Like the Japanese kamikaze, who raised death to the level of a ritual and lived for months in anticipation of a beautiful death. All this was actively supported by society and the state. formation (zombie). Naturally, the former are absolutely sure that they are flying to their moon-faced hurias, while the latter are flying to their cozy Shinto paradise.

      Having a similar upbringing (zombie), and the motivation to repeat what two zombies did in a motor boat or a zombie on the Zero near Okinawa ... a much more sublime and majestic feat of the Soviet communists, who, unlike the Japanese, understood that they would disappear forever and there will be no paradise, they loved life and hoped to the last that they would return from the battle ... but, alas

      And the life of fanatics is not worth it for Hezbollah, Hamas, the Taliban
      The conveyor of death works there, remember. as Arafat said: "Our super-weapon is the wombs of Arab women"
      1. old man54
        old man54 3 September 2013 06: 34
        0
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        For the average Russian, brought up on Christian traditions It is extremely difficult and almost IMPOSSIBLE to repeat the feat of Islamic fanatics (or Japanese Kamikaze)

        Oleg, what are you writing this ??? I can hardly restrain my emotions! And why did you decide that the same kamikaze were eager to die, huh? But I affirm that they did not want to, but such concepts as sacrifice in the name of the nation and country prevailed, as in many of our ancestors, including during the Second World War.
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        A comparison of suicide bombers with Matrosov or Gasteloo is incorrect.

        and why is it incorrect ?? And it is very incorrect of you to call them "suicides"! I described suicides to you in the original comment above, and this is the highest human military valor - to sacrifice oneself for the lives of others. It’s strange to me that you don’t understand this! Spartan Tsar Leonidas and 300 of his valiant warriors, who literally stood to death near Thermopylae, are also probably suicides and zombies, eh? Or are they heroes who deliberately gave their lives for the life and prosperity of their people then?
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        A comparison of suicide bombers with Matrosov or Gasteloo is incorrect. Our heroes lived an ordinary life and until the last moment they did not want to die

        yes, of course they didn’t want to die, but if it turned out what they needed, they were ready and were dying. Will we recall the case of the interception of the Powers spy on U-2 in 1960 near Yekaterinburg (Sverdlovsk)? When the pilot on the Su-9 from the factory had just been sent to intercept the VTs, while he had no weapons on board at all. There was an order to go to the ram and he went to it, consciously and consciously, but ... missed by accident. At those speeds and with the peculiarities of the lineup of the 1st and 2nd generation fighters, his chances of surviving a ram were = 0 !!
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        Repeat the feat of Islamic fanatics

        It is in Islam that there is no more fanaticism than in Orthodoxy. I suggest you to sort out this topic, and then indiscriminately hate everyone. WHAT you describe is not Islam, it is Wahhabism, that is, the perversion and degeneration of Islam, and they are just mortally hostile! And by the way, for your information: Wahhabism as a "new trend of Islam" was actively sponsored, supported and promoted (secretly of course) by the United States and secretly by the Zionists-Jews! For what? To split the Islamic world, which they did not manage until the 90s of the last century, and set them off against each other to rule the Islamic-Arab world. And you are writing here, Oleg! negative
        (no offense) drinks
        1. Santa Fe
          3 September 2013 12: 59
          0
          Quote: old man54
          A comparison of suicide bombers with Matrosov or Gasteloo is incorrect.
          and why is it incorrect ?? And it is very incorrect of you to call them "suicides"!

          Su-9, 300 Spartans and Kamikazes
          The difference is that our heroes had a spontaneous decision in an extreme situation. This is their feat

          In the case of Islamic "live bombs" and Japanese kamikazes, these people have sentenced themselves to death IN ADVANCE and LIVED WITH THIS FEELING FOR MANY MONTHS or even years.
          All this was accompanied by powerful propaganda by the state and society + appropriate education (in the case of Arabs, aggravated by the lack of education)

          It is unthinkable for an Orthodox Christian to condemn himself to death and live with this feeling for a long time. And the Japanese lived; and they even made narcissism out of it - the official propaganda equated them with "living deities" during their lifetime: honor and respect in society.
          Quote: old man54
          At those speeds and with the peculiarities of the lineup of the 1st and 2nd generation fighters, his chances of surviving a ram were = 0 !!

          Yes, but this decision has matured in an extreme situation during the course of m. 20-30 minutes
          And in the morning no one wanted to die, did not think about death and lived his usual life

          what
          the topic is difficult, as they say do not judge and will not be judged. but I said what I think on this issue
  • Stalinets
    Stalinets 3 September 2013 02: 24
    +2
    I do not believe a single word! The nonsense calculated on simpletons.! Islamic fanatics, Islamists and other ... How it got !!! There is a schedule for how to go through narrowness and other matters. Plus various anti-sabotage cases. They blew it up, which means that someone at the top of America needed it. Americans are pompous, but not ... Like New York in 2001 .. Plus, take an interest in the Koran and what he says about suicides .... yes
    1. old man54
      old man54 3 September 2013 06: 14
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      Again, I can't help but give you a "+"! It is not entirely clear how you with such views live in a state that is today the center of the axis of evil on the planet? request laughing
      1. Stalinets
        Stalinets 4 September 2013 01: 53
        +1
        Incidentally, it is difficult with such views. Few people share them. The center of the axis of evil, I think, is the filthy "foggy albion", simply, England. This is the Nest of reptiles and the Zionist aspen forest. Hence, many things that are happening in Russia, in Little Russia, etc. look at the right angle. The local English-speaking Internet is full of all sorts of information that cannot be found in the Russian-speaking one during the day with fire. After all, the Internet is censored ... I'm not quite at the age to change something again, plus many people in Little Russia need financial assistance. yes wink
        1. old man54
          old man54 4 September 2013 03: 59
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          Quote: Stalinist
          The center of the axis of evil, I think, is the filthy "foggy albion", simply, England. This is the Reptilian nest and the Zionist aspen tree

          I agree with you, but only partially. Once upon a time, YES, but later, due to the prospective analysis of the development of society on earth, military geopolitical analysis, the Anglo-Zionists came to the conclusion that the British Isles would soon no longer be able to serve them as that necessary base for the implementation of their promising interests. And so they initiated the development and resettlement of some of the Naglo-Saxons to where you now live. And after their "get-together", which is now called the shadow world government, was divided, there is also a squabble for power, and some time later, after the 2nd MV, the American part of the Zionist Levites took over the British, the old and smaller part, which can be seen even in the relations of countries. Something like this! hi
          Quote: Stalinist
          Hence, many things that are happening in Russia, Little Russia, etc. look at the right angle

          It is very nice to understand and see that even there you did not lose your common sense and literally did not sell your Soul!
          Quote: Stalinist
          Still, the Internet is censored ..

          yes, I also came to this conclusion, and in Russia and in the territory of the former USSR it seems especially especially to be afraid of us, who live here in the West. There are already a lot of stupid people, or just hungry for consumption, and we still have the spirit of our ancestors strong, that’s where we control the rise of nat. consciousness, and trying to interfere. And by the way, even this resource is censored and very controlled, he himself clearly noticed, for various reasons. And even the PM here is perlested!

          http://topwar.ru/31761-vremya-ne-lechit.html
          1. Stalinets
            Stalinets 4 September 2013 06: 41
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            I ran into this today ... with censoring. Here on site . Plus, the words are filtered. But swearing and other nonsense do not go. The vector of formation of a definite opinion, spiced with cheers with patriotism, is clearly traced. The factor of "hot heart" without using a cold mind ... I wonder if the site is Russian or not quite ... wink
          2. Stalinets
            Stalinets 4 September 2013 06: 51
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            The Rothschilds are related to the Queen of England. I hope everything is clear here. Queen of England, the most powerful figure on the planet Earth. Canada, Australia America, HER colonies. Don't mess with it. Behind all the latter and not only wars, it is Anlia who stands. When it is obvious when it is hidden. The world government has IRON discipline. Read Room 300 by John Coleman at your leisure. hi yes
  • mithridate
    mithridate 10 September 2013 17: 22
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    practical conclusions should be drawn from such situations and more time should be devoted to studies in the struggle for survivability
  • BEECH 1972
    BEECH 1972 7 June 2016 23: 05
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    Quote: Tlauicol
    the best armor is missile defense, in my opinion. an armor-piercing warhead on a rocket is nevertheless easier to put than building an armored cruiser. But he will serve 30–50 years later - during this time the Papuans will have supersonic sounds in their arsenal. The KSSh was subsonic, and the cruiser pierced right through. And then the headlamp on Cole was damaged by an explosion, and the cruiser would be damaged, radio-transparent armor had not yet been invented.
    and it’s written interestingly, as if an eyewitness wrote

    /// He just managed to jump from the fire-ship onto the garbage barge, and in response to the puzzled looks of his kamikaze comrades, he shouted - Banzai brothers, you blow up that American tub, while I’ll sink this barge for now. He certainly did not sink the barge. Thanks to the selfless efforts of 70-year-old Captain Abdel Aziz Ghani and the ship's dog named "Ifrit", the attacker was discovered, bitten and tied up. Again, thanks to which he survived and witnessed a successful, but still suicidal attack by two yachtsmen overeating mushrooms on a foreign destroyer. Later he became famous by becoming quite famous, and later wrote many books, essays or articles for magazines and popular Internet resources, as well as several autobiographical books. He now serves as the Official Press Secretary at the Great Lakes Naval Base and covers the training program for young sailors.