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What will Syria fight in case of possible external aggression?

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What will Syria fight in case of possible external aggression?

On the eve of TSAMTO conveyed a message about the potential of Syria to repel external aggression. In connection with the rapid development of the situation, TSAMTO publishes extensive material on this topic.


As already reported, the situation around Syria has strained to the limit under the far-fetched pretext of the use of chemical weapons by government forces. weapons.

What has changed in the political arena over the past day in assessing the possibility of a strike on Syria?

US President Barack Obama is ready to sanction a limited military strike on Syria, despite the refusal of the British authorities to participate in the operation, the Washington Post reported, citing representatives of the US administration.

On the eve of the British Parliament rejected a proposal by Prime Minister David Cameron on a possible military operation in Syria. The vote was advisory in nature, but D. Cameron said that he would act according to the opinion of parliament.

It should be noted that two days ago, the British Foreign Ministry for the aggressiveness of military rhetoric even outstripped the United States, saying that "the military operation against Syria will begin, even despite the UN Security Council veto."

Commenting on the refusal of the British authorities to participate in the military operation, a representative of the US National Security Council Caitlin Hayden said “RIA News”That US President Barack Obama will be guided by the national interests of the United States when deciding on Syria.

“Despite the statements that B.Obama did not make a final decision, everything indicates that the blow may occur as soon as the UN inspectors investigating the alleged Himataku leave the country on August 9, the Washington Post writes.

On the eve of Brussels, a NATO council was held at the level of 28 ambassadors of the North Atlantic Alliance. Diplomats blamed the use of chemical weapons in Syria on President Bashar al-Assad, saying that they have at their disposal "information available from a wide range of sources indicating the Syrian regime as responsible for the use of chemical weapons." NATO also said that those responsible for himataku should be responsible for their actions, reports RIA Novosti.

The meeting of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council on the situation in Syria ended the day before without a specific decision, reports France Press.

The meeting of the Five (China, Russia, Great Britain, the USA and France) was held on the initiative of Russia.

The subject of the consultation was a draft resolution proposed by the UK, which provided for the adoption of all necessary measures to protect civilians in Syria, including the possibility of using force against the Syrian authorities. On Wednesday, representatives of the "five" have already discussed this British initiative and also did not come to an agreed decision.

According to TSAMTO, if Russia and China, acting jointly on the Syrian issue, will succeed in unblocking the situation at the diplomatic level, this will be a great victory for common sense.

Considering the fact that the regular units of the Syrian army have recently achieved significant success in combating armed oppositions (read mercenaries), the made-up pretext of allegedly using chemical weapons by the troops is the “last grip” to unleash aggression against Syria and accomplish the task which the armed opposition could not decide - to overthrow the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

Therefore, Russian diplomacy in cooperation with the Chinese side is facing extraordinary efforts to ensure the supremacy of the UN Security Council resolution on Syria when making certain unilateral decisions (bypassing the UN Security Council) by Western countries (primarily the United States). In addition, it is necessary to ensure the utmost objectivity of the investigation by UN inspectors of the use of chemical weapons in Syria.

What can Syria oppose in case of external aggression?

An obvious advantage, in the case of a ground operation, is the mobilized army, which has recently gained tremendous experience in fighting the armed opposition, including in urban environments. The disadvantage is that part of the military infrastructure has already been destroyed by opposition militants. It is possible that damage was caused to a number of bases where ammunition is stored, as well as to military infrastructure facilities. Based on the fact that hostilities with the opposition are conducted almost throughout the country, it can be assumed that the location of key military infrastructure in Syria has long been known both to militants and their foreign sponsors.

With regard to the combat readiness of the Syrian Air Force, it should be noted that the fighter aviation during the armed struggle with the opposition it was used extremely rarely, and there is no data on the effectiveness of the use of military helicopters (several helicopters of the government army were lost as a result of shelling from MANPADS).

The existing air defense weapons were absolutely not involved, which in the case of external aggression should play a key role (obviously, at the first stage these will be massive strikes with cruise missiles with the further use of aircraft on key military infrastructure).

Air Defense

In recent years, Russia has carried out several large arms shipments to Syria. Among the largest programs in the air defense segment:

- supply of 6 ZRPK 2С6 “Tunguska” (the contract was concluded in 2004 year, delivery was realized approximately in 2008 year);

- 18 delivery of Buk-M2E ADMS (the contract was concluded in 2007 year, delivery - in 2008 year);

- supply of 36 ZRPK Pantsir-С1 (the contract was concluded in 2006 year, deliveries began in 2008 year, this year, presumably, the last batch of 6 units must be delivered);

- delivery of a large batch of Igla MANPADS as part of the Sagittarius launch modules (order from 2005 of the year, delivery to 2005-2006, the number is not known);

- delivery of two divisional sets of the Pechora-125М C-2 ZRS (order from 2008 of the year, delivery to 2011 and 2012 from the Air Force, 2 of the divisional sets for 4 PU, total 8 PU).

Prospective purchases in the short term in the air defense segment:

- modernization of the C-125 “Neva” air defense system (several dozen). The current technical condition of the complexes and the degree of their readiness is unknown. A request for a commercial proposal for the modernization of the C-125 air defense system into the C-125 version of the Pechora-2М was received for a long time, the program status is not known;

- the purchase of the Tor-M1 air defense system (the application has been received for a long time, the program status is not known);

- purchase of C-300 AAMS (delivery data not available).

It should be noted that there is still no exact data on what type of C-300 AAMS system Syria ordered in the 2010 year (for a number of sources - C-300PMU-1).

Supposedly, deliveries under this contract should be completed no earlier than mid-year 2014. After delivery, commissioning and comprehensive testing of the operation of all the equipment included in the C-300 ZRS, it will take at least six months to train Syrian specialists, even if they have previously completed training in Russia. Therefore, the achievement of full combat readiness of Syrian C-300 SAMs (if they are delivered anyway) can be expected no earlier than the end of 2014 - the beginning of 2015 of the year.

Other programs

Among the other largest programs that are currently implemented with Syria, it should be noted that the OBT T-72 fleet was upgraded to the T-72М1 level (around 1000 units), two Bastion-P PBRKs were delivered, a large number of aircraft MiG-23 fighter fleet, modernization of several MiG-29С fighters, delivery of training equipment for Mi-17 and Mi-24 helicopters and a number of other programs.

Among the promising projects were discussed the possible purchase of diesel-electric submarines, MBT T-90С, various types of surface war ships, a number of other weapons.

Currently, contracts for the supply of several weapon systems, including 24 fighter jets MiG-29М / М2 and 36 Yak-130UBS, are underway with Syria, but now they are suspended because of the actual blockade of transport routes by Western countries.

Other suppliers

In addition to Russia, a number of Syrian weapons systems put Iran and, possibly, North Korea.

REFERENCE:

The military-technical cooperation of Russia and Syria began in 1956. During the period of cooperation, about 65 tactical and operational-tactical missile systems, about 5 thousand, were delivered to the Syrian Armed Forces. tanks, more than 1,2 thousand combat aircraft, 4,2 thousand artillery guns and mortars, 70 warships and boats, other types of weapons.

Consequences for Russia

From the point of view of ensuring its geopolitical influence in the region for Russia, the preservation of the item of material and technical support of the Russian Federation is of key importance. fleet in the Syrian port of Tartus. The MTO point in Tartus is the only reference point of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea.

With the loss of Tartus, the deployment of the Russian naval force on a permanent basis in the Mediterranean Sea will become problematic.

In the case of the fall of the Bashar Assad regime, Russia, represented by Syria, will lose its almost only current ally in the Middle East, and the loss of profits due to the cessation of military-technical cooperation with Damascus will amount to several billion dollars.

If, as a result of external aggression, the legitimate authority in Syria is forcibly overthrown, the next predictable step will be the military operation of the USA and Israel against Iran, which will bring the theater of military operations closer to the borders of Russia.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 31 August 2013 11: 12 New
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    Not a lot of superficial and everything in common - common words, general data ...
    1. Old skeptic
      Old skeptic 31 August 2013 11: 37 New
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      And give you everything exactly, and with places of deployment? laughing

      Gugel does not sleep, as you know, a talker ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 31 August 2013 12: 03 New
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        Quote: Old Skeptic
        And give you everything exactly, and with places of deployment?
        I can reassure you - those who need it already know this, especially if you remember that Israel is nearby, and the Mossad does not eat bread in vain. Just if you’re trying to describe
        What will Syria fight in case of possible external aggression?
        it would be desirable if their data and opportunities could be cited.
        Here are 6 ZRPK 2S6 "Tunguska" - this is a lot, enough or not enough, and if they are already remembered, then how many "Shiloks" do the Syrians have, and ZU 23-2? A ZSU-57 has not survived?
        1. Rus2012
          Rus2012 31 August 2013 18: 12 New
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          Quote: svp67
          how many "Shiloks" do the Syrians have, and ZU 23-2? A ZSU-57 has not survived?


          Today in Syria's air defense there are about 900 air defense systems and more than 4000 anti-aircraft guns of various modifications. Most reachable in range are the S-200 Angara and S-200V Vega air defense systems (near 50 launcher) and the S-75 Dvina; S-75M Volga. Israel's extreme concern is the modern medium-range air defense systems - the early C-300 modifications (48 air defense systems), which at the end of 2011 were allegedly supplied by Russia (according to other sources - Belarus and China). The largest representation in the air defense system of Syria are air defense systems and medium-range air defense systems, among which there are modern complexes Buk-M1-2, Buk-M2E (36 SOU, 12 ROM), as well as obsolete air defense systems C-125 Neva, S -125M "Pechora" (140 PU), 200 SPU "Cube" ("Square"), 14 batteries of the Osa air defense system (60 BM). In addition, in 2006, a contract was signed for the supply of Syria 50 with the most advanced Pantsir-S1E air defense missile systems, some of which are already in service. The ground forces include the Strela-1 anti-aircraft missile launcher, the Strela-10 BM (35 units), about the 4000 Strela-2 / 2M MANPADS, the Strela-3 air defense system, and more than 2000 XU-XN anti-aircraft artillery systems -23, ZSU-2-23 "Shilka" (4 units). For long-term storage there are anti-aircraft artillery guns of calibers 400 mm and 37 mm, as well as 57 mm guns KS-100.
          1. tatarros
            tatarros 1 September 2013 01: 34 New
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            Why, then, were the Syrian air defense systems silent when Israel bombed?
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 1 September 2013 03: 54 New
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              Quote: tatarros
              Why, then, were the Syrian air defense systems silent when Israel bombed?


              You missed the discussion. He was silent because he had little to compete with the Israeli Air Force in special operations. This is not a jamb, this is the order of things. It’s one thing to call a point strike, another thing to shoot back from a massive raid.
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 1 September 2013 22: 30 New
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                You missed the discussion. He was silent because he had little to compete with the Israeli Air Force in special operations.


                With the extreme raid of the Jews, according to some reports, one plane was lost. Either they shot down, or he fell down.

                Believing official Israeli information is pointless, according to it, they did not fly or bomb at all.
            2. Poppy
              Poppy 2 September 2013 11: 58 New
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              it’s quite logical: why light up their positions in a single strike, when a big war is expected
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg 1 September 2013 03: 56 New
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            Quote: Rus2012
            ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" (400 units).


            Is shilka able to deal with tomahawks? Actually it would be great laughing
          3. waisson
            waisson 1 September 2013 19: 33 New
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            I'm certainly happy with so many air defense but how well it will be used
        2. alone
          alone 1 September 2013 13: 02 New
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          Quote: svp67
          Here are 6 ZRPK 2S6 "Tunguska" - this is a lot, enough or not enough, and if they are already remembered, then how many "Shiloks" do the Syrians have, and ZU 23-2? A ZSU-57 has not survived?


          Do you think that this is an effective weapon against modern air forces and the Kyrgyz Republic?
          1. Rider
            Rider 1 September 2013 13: 33 New
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            Quote: lonely
            Do you think that this is an effective weapon against modern air forces and the Kyrgyz Republic?


            ask f 117 shot down in Yugoslavia
            1. alone
              alone 1 September 2013 14: 27 New
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              want to say that the f-117 was hit by a pin?))))
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 14: 47 New
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              Remember the history of the downed F 117? How and why was he shot down and from what time?
              1. Rider
                Rider 1 September 2013 15: 24 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                Remember the history of the downed F 117?


                and what did you mean by that?
                type of randomness and not worn 7
                or did he fall, as the wiki says?

                and my answer was to the "lonely" who is not aware of the fact that the newest "supkr dupery" get lost with old air defense systems.

                as an example, a Turkish intelligence agent.
                1. alone
                  alone 1 September 2013 15: 28 New
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                  since when is f-4 the latest super-duper? fool
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 1 September 2013 15: 34 New
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                    Quote: lonely
                    since when is f-4 the latest super-duper?


                    from those when converted into a scout, in principle, he was not supposed to get into the Syrian air defense zone of operations.
                    but the result on the face ... uh in the water of course.

                    but you can continue to believe that modern aviation NATs are unbreakable.


                    and a smiley in the subject, it suits you very much.
                    1. alone
                      alone 1 September 2013 23: 07 New
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                      )) there are no downed planes. do not upgrade the old one, it remains the old one. the turkish f-4 converted into a scout hasn’t been tricked by any super-duper ammunition. you hooked a couple of cameras there and that's it. Mig-21 will become a super?)))
                      about the emoticon, there just wasn’t another suitable one. hi
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      3. VAF
        VAF 31 August 2013 14: 34 New
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        Quote: Old Skeptic
        And give you everything exactly, and with places of deployment?


        We decided to "check" with the "secrets of Polishenel" lol

        Or do you still think that the intelligence of Amers and Israel is ... like ours ????

        Everything is unexpected ... all of a sudden, once the Grad’s division unexpectedly started firing at Tskhinvali? wassat

        Her, dear ... that's what you are in vain recourse Or "a lot of hats for throwing"? wassat

        JYL-1 Chinese three-coordinate long-range radar detection station deployed in Syria (pictured is a self-propelled version of the station)

        and JY-27 VHF, Type 120 (LLQ120) 2D Low Altitude Target Detection Radars.

        The Pentagon will "gather" data on the effectiveness of Chinese systems and test its methods of overcoming Syrian air defenses and only then will strike!

        A more pressing question is to what extent the Syrian air defense, modernized by China, will pose a threat to attacking American aircraft.

        Syria has 120 air defense positions, equipped with a mixture of Russian and old Soviet air defense systems SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 and SA-6 (respectively S-75, S-125, S-200 and "Square"), as well as 50 EW stations of Chinese and Russian production.

        Modern Chinese radars can detect stealth American planes, perhaps even stealth planes and KR.

        The JY-27 radars (range of detection of air targets of 500 km), set in 2006, may turn out to be especially effective.

        Currently, these stations are deployed north and south of the city of Palmyra in central Syria.
        The detection range of these radars permeates not only Syrian airspace, but also the space of neighboring states.

        Little is known about the less powerful Type 120 two-axis radar (LLQ120), which is a further development of the JY-29 / LSS-1 2D, capable of simultaneously tracking 72 targets at a distance of 200 km.

        Probably, these radars work only in range and azimuth of targets, which makes them an addition to the general air defense radar system.

        China itself is deploying 120 such radars as part of the HQ-9 and HQ-12 air defense systems, but Syria can use them as specialized EW stations.

        Syria is armed with four Type 120 radar positions deployed in Dar-Izzah, Baniyas, Tartus and Kafr Bukhum.
        JY-29 radars were previously mistakenly identified as JY-11B Hunter-1.

        A tri-band JYL-1 radar with a detection range of 320 km is deployed in the Kafr-Bukhum area.
        Previously, it was also incorrectly identified as the YLC-2V High Guard 3D.

        There are a number of questions regarding whether Chinese radars can transmit target data to Soviet-made air defense systems, because the lack of interaction will force the use of voice communication to transfer data between nodes, which is a potential source of errors, they can also be interfered with if data is transmitted in open mode.

        Ultimately, Syria’s integrated air defense system will not be able to successfully withstand a large-scale military operation from the United States and NATO.
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 31 August 2013 14: 44 New
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          If we assume that the Chinese radars are deployed and the Syrian crews have learned to skillfully operate them. How and how to implement the data received from these radars? How resistant are the enemy’s electronic warfare equipment? Are there enough air defense forces and equipment to protect these radars, as well as military personnel for defense and protection of radar positions?
        2. igor67
          igor67 31 August 2013 14: 46 New
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          [quote = vaf] [quote = Old Skeptic] And give you everything for sure, and with locations? [/ quote]

          We decided to "check" with the "secrets of Polishenel" lol

          Or still think that the intelligence of Amers and Israel ...
          Greetings Sergey! I’ll simplify it a lot. There are extinct volcanoes on the Golan Heights, along the border, there are Israeli military bases (I think this is not a military secret laughing ) So Damascus can be seen without binoculars in fine weather, as well as other cities, and I don’t even need satellites to detect missile points and radars, I wrote that year at the beginning of the Syrian conflict, that Israeli planes were flying over Syria if you remember? Then almost the entire territory was still under government control.
          1. VAF
            VAF 31 August 2013 15: 28 New
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            Quote: igor67
            I’ll simplify it a lot.


            Hi Igor! So I already wrote much easier. let him take the card .. draw and look at the points and circles!

            And that's all .. in the "scouts" is .. type "chatterbox-find for spies"! lol

            Amers have already relocated their "new" U-2 to Cyprus



            And here everything ... "in hats and slogans" are playing! request
            1. Old skeptic
              Old skeptic 31 August 2013 22: 55 New
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              Guys, take it easy. Do not shoot the pionist .... It was a joke.
          2. igor67
            igor67 31 August 2013 15: 30 New
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            . This video shows that Syria is in full view, there is a new city of El Cuneitra, and Damascus and other cities
          3. ism_ek
            ism_ek 1 September 2013 11: 27 New
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            If St. Petersburg is visible from Finland, this does not mean that from Finland one can consider Moscow or Kazan. Syria is a big country. Comparable in size to Iraq and Afghanistan. If you want, you can hide a lot there.
            Well, the fact that the Chinese have significantly modernized communications systems in Syria is a fact. Many Russian experts who have visited Syria say that the communication systems in the Syrian army are much better than Russian ones.
        3. Nayhas
          Nayhas 31 August 2013 17: 10 New
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          Quote: vaf
          Ultimately, Syria’s integrated air defense system will not be able to successfully withstand a large-scale military operation from the United States and NATO.

          I don't think she will even try. The best option is to disperse the available forces to secluded places, which still remain. The Americans will certainly strike, but will it be of use? If they want to help Assad's opponents, then they need not limited airstrikes, but "removal" of armored vehicles and especially artillery, completely take control of the movement of units, prevent the Syrian army from maneuvering on its own, and this requires a long time "hanging in the sky." Even if the Americans destroy all known air defense systems, command posts, airfields and headquarters, Assad's army will not weaken from this ...
          1. igor67
            igor67 31 August 2013 17: 23 New
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            Quote: Nayhas
            Quote: vaf
            Ultimately, Syria’s integrated air defense system will not be able to successfully withstand a large-scale military operation from the United States and NATO.

            I don't think she will even try. The best option is to disperse the available forces to secluded places, which still remain. The Americans will certainly strike, but will it be of use? If they want to help Assad's opponents, then they need not limited airstrikes, but "removal" of armored vehicles and especially artillery, completely take control of the movement of units, prevent the Syrian army from maneuvering on its own, and this requires a long time "hanging in the sky." Even if the Americans destroy all known air defense systems, command posts, airfields and headquarters, Assad's army will not weaken from this ...

            Excuse me, but why the heck "hang" in the sky, watch the video there, the guide points to the Israeli base of electronic surveillance, you can see it with the naked eye, or do you think that you can not noticeably hide?
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 31 August 2013 17: 44 New
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              Quote: igor67
              Or do you think that you can not hide noticeably?

              If you wish, you can cover any equipment. There are many ways to disguise, it is enough to be smart. Suppose you need to cover the air defense shell. It’s not a matter of digging three shelters with an excavator at a distance of 30 m from each other, the complex is driven into one of them, covered from above, laid off even with straw and covered with soil. False shelters also fall asleep, everything is equal on top and guess where it is hidden. The likelihood that an explosion of a bomb within a radius of 5 meters will disable it is minimal. But these are of course complex tricks, it is enough to drive them into a settlement and hide under awnings ...
              1. igor67
                igor67 31 August 2013 17: 48 New
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                Quote: Nayhas
                Quote: igor67
                Or do you think that you can not hide noticeably?

                If you wish, you can cover any equipment. There are many ways to disguise, it is enough to be smart. Suppose you need to cover the air defense shell. It’s not a matter of digging three shelters with an excavator at a distance of 30 m from each other, the complex is driven into one of them, covered from above, laid off even with straw and covered with soil. False shelters also fall asleep, everything is equal on top and guess where it is hidden. The likelihood that an explosion of a bomb within a radius of 5 meters will disable it is minimal. But these are of course complex tricks, it is enough to drive them into a settlement and hide under awnings ...

                But what about the rebels and their "sympathizers", they, even without special means such as drones, transmit the movements of troops and equipment
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                2. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 31 August 2013 23: 21 New
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                  Quote: igor67
                  But what about the rebels and their "sympathizers", they, even without special means such as drones, transmit the movements of troops and equipment

                  The rebels and their sympathizers can give out with high accuracy the coordinates of stationary objects, such as, for example, stationary radars, barracks, deployed headquarters and they are likely to be destroyed. The same objects that can be moved using for shelter, for example, civil buildings in the village are more stable, because during the time between the establishment of coordinates, transferring them to the interested party and striking, the position of this object may change. Americans will not randomly hit civilian targets, because the danger of defeating non-combatants still worries them, no matter what they say.
              2. VAF
                VAF 31 August 2013 18: 00 New
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                Quote: Nayhas
                But these are of course complex tricks, it is enough to drive them into a settlement and hide under awnings ...


                Of course everything is so ... but what about the fact that, in addition to "hiding", and also apply yourself as an air defense missile system .. for its intended purpose? wink

                And how many shots or launches can this shell make?

                I repeat once again ... all of you on the site are trying to "pull up" all the actions of the Air Force on ours, and this is wrong, because. we act like this from .. hopelessness, but "! amers" act .. according to science and tactics, with all that it implies.
                Because they are arming their armed forces, and we ... We are doing Super-Superfood, and then we scratch our turnips .. what to send, except for the strategic nuclear forces! Unfortunately request
              3. smersh70
                smersh70 31 August 2013 22: 07 New
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                Quote: Nayhas
                and go guess where it is hidden.


                East is a delicate matter, as Comrade Sukhov said. fellow ..You don’t know the Middle East .... remember the cousins ​​of Saddam, the commanders of the Republican Guard ... winked
            2. svp67
              svp67 31 August 2013 17: 47 New
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              Quote: igor67
              Or do you think that you can not hide noticeably?
              The experience of the war in Yugoslavia says -YES POSSIBLE.
              1. igor67
                igor67 31 August 2013 17: 51 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Quote: igor67
                Or do you think that you can not hide noticeably?
                The experience of the war in Yugoslavia says -YES POSSIBLE.

                In Yugoslavia, forests and territory are larger, there is almost a desert,
                1. Arkan
                  Arkan 31 August 2013 20: 02 New
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                  Quote: igor67
                  In Yugoslavia, forests and territory are larger, there is almost a desert,

                  Syria is not really Iraq; mountains are not sugar for both attackers and defenders (with the only difference being that they are mountains for Syrians).
                2. svp67
                  svp67 31 August 2013 20: 37 New
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                  Quote: igor67
                  In Yugoslavia, forests and territory are larger, there is almost a desert,
                  There is great merit in disguise - pre-prepared fortifications and skillful use of structures, abandoned buildings, barns, workshops, hangars ...
              2. smersh70
                smersh70 31 August 2013 22: 11 New
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                Quote: svp67
                Tort war in Yugoslavia says -YES POSSIBLE.



                and what, unless objects in Yugoslavia were completely bombed ... hi or is she still fighting ...... fool I must honestly admit .... the last all the US wars smash the enemy the only way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                1. svp67
                  svp67 31 August 2013 22: 15 New
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                  Quote: smersh70
                  and what, unless objects in Yugoslavia were completely bombed ...

                  The successes declared by the Americans in destroying the military equipment of the Yugoslav army and its command centers, after the end of the war, were radically revised downward. The army of Yugoslavia was not defeated and defeated. Surrendered - the political leadership ... And this is completely different ..
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 20 New
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                    Remember the result?
          2. VAF
            VAF 31 August 2013 17: 54 New
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            Quote: Nayhas
            The best option is to disperse the available forces in secluded places, which still remain


            I welcome you, Eugene! +! hi So he is, but in my opinion, just amers and will be engaged in the "removal" of everything "standing" from the Syrians just after the destruction of active detection equipment and long-range air defense systems, and any MZA and air defense systems such as Pantsir .... they have enough WTO with a range much greater than the Actions of the same Shell.

            And I would not call the armed forces of Syria the Army, in the sense in which we understand it ... while we were there. There was something like an army, and now .... okay, let's not talk about sad things. drinks
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 31 August 2013 23: 36 New
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              Quote: vaf
              so he is, but in my opinion, just amers and will be engaged in the "removal" of everything "standing" from the Syrians

              Good evening Sergey. Obama said that “It will not be a perpetual intervention, there will be no ground operation. It will be limited in duration and scope. ” If this is true, then Assad will have a chance to get out of the attack with minimal losses. Its task is to preserve artillery, tanks, and preferably helicopters, mobile headquarters, communications, and maximum warehouses. In principle, all this is feasible by dispersal over the controlled territory, as well as regular movement. Losses will certainly be inevitable, but it will be possible to make them minimal. But of course, the organization of the process is important here, which, as I understand it, and as you might imagine, is practically impossible ...
              1. zvereok
                zvereok 1 September 2013 22: 38 New
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                Quote: Nayhas
                Obama said that “It will not be a perpetual intervention, there will be no ground operation. It will be limited in duration and scope. ”


                And Obama said that Guantanomo will close ...
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 21 New
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              I watched the shooting here of how the Syrian military, "experienced in 2 years in the war," shoot ... Hmmm.
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 31 August 2013 22: 04 New
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            Quote: Nayhas
            Even if the Americans disperse all the well-known air defense systems, KP, airfields and headquarters, Assad’s army will not weaken from this ..



            Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream .... laughing
            1. Nayhas
              Nayhas 31 August 2013 23: 39 New
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              Quote: smersh70
              Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream

              Assad's main force is tanks and artillery + infantry of course. All this is really safe from reconnaissance from the air ...
              1. alone
                alone 31 August 2013 23: 45 New
                +1
                and from satellites that work and transmit information? hiding what you listed means weakening the line of defense or lowering the attack potential on the militants. for any assad from this, it’s a loser. if the militants attack, then the defenders deprived of hidden tanks and artillery are already weakened. , attacking power is zero.
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 1 September 2013 07: 47 New
                  +2
                  Quote: lonely
                  what you listed means to weaken the line of defense or reduce the attack potential on the militants. for any assad from this, it’s a loser. if the militants attack, then the defenders deprived of hidden tanks and artillery are already weaken

                  Well, not without this, of course, during this period you will have to forget about the offensive and go on the defensive. In general, Assad will be hard, but it is not fatal.
        4. Free Island
          Free Island 1 September 2013 11: 23 New
          0
          But the intelligence is in the United States, but this is evidenced by the fact that in Iraq, American armed penguins smashed a dozen neighborhoods with civilians, because according to "American intelligence" Saddam Hussein was in these quarters, and Saddam himself was calm at that time hung out his last days in his palace. So one can argue for a long time about US intelligence. Remember the "friendly" shelling of each other's penguins in Afghanistan? there, too, they crumbled each other themselves, be healthy, because "according to American intelligence ..."))))) but about the "suddenly" emerging "Grads" on the outskirts of Tskhinval - have you ever heard the word "politics" and the term "political technologies"? "tactics" and "strategy"? Have you ever thought that the intelligence was aware, just that the leadership of Russia (South Ossetia and Abkhazia) needed the Georgians to start shelling Ossetian cities? in order to get a legitimate, within the framework of international law) reason to gouge the entire military infrastructure of Georgia (causing great material damage to Saakashvil and slapping NATO and the United States in the face), as well as to finally give independence and recognition to South Ossetia and Tskhtinval? Naturally, then, for the sake of intelligence, they threatened with a finger, someone was reprimanded for show)) it's obvious, you don't have to rattle about exploration, everything works at the same level everywhere.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 1 September 2013 12: 59 New
            +3
            Quote: Free Island
            But after all, intelligence is in the United States, but the fact is evidenced by

            Everything is relative. What is the intelligence of the world that acted more successfully?
    2. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 11: 42 New
      +6
      This is already 3-5 article on this topic over the past 3 days, nothing new.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 August 2013 11: 46 New
      +7
      1. With regards to the huge combat experience. Yes, the Syrian army has it, but it will again confront the militants on the ground, not the American soldiers. But there is no experience shooting down a tamagafka.
      2. Assad fighters will not be able to seriously confront non-amers not NATO as a whole. The forces are too unequal.
      3. There is air defense, but how effective it will be, time will tell.
      1. alone
        alone 31 August 2013 16: 58 New
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Syria has 120 air defense positions, equipped with a mixture of Russian and old Soviet air defense systems SA-2, SA-3, SA-5 and SA-6 (respectively S-75, S-125, S-200 and "Square"),


        all this with a powerful electronic warfare will stupidly look at the sky.

        exception only shells and beeches
      2. svp67
        svp67 31 August 2013 17: 52 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        With regards to the huge combat experience.
        Today it is quite peculiar, and how this army will fight against regular troops is not known ...
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Assad fighters will not be able to
        Under these conditions, it is better not to let them out into the sky at all, to keep them until "better times"
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Air defense is, but how effective it will be, time will tell
        Air defense is, of course, important, but no one has yet achieved victories by defense, it is necessary to have something that will "keep" the enemy in good shape. It was not for nothing that the Israelis hunted the Yakhonts, they pose little danger to Israel, but against the American fleet ...
      3. alone
        alone 31 August 2013 23: 53 New
        +3
        You know, Alexander, I partially agree with you about the first point. The combat experience of the Syrian tankmen and individual formations of motorized rifles and special forces is undeniable. But not all parts of the army fight correctly. Even when watching videos shot by Syrian and Russian journalists, tankers act in the city without cover infantry. in one video I personally saw the operation of special forces with tanks. so that the tanks to hide from the militants built themselves a corridor of buses with the full connivance of the infantry, there even snipers did not work against the grenade launchers.
        2. The aircraft fleet was a bit old and still suffered some losses from the militants.
        3. effective systems of beeches and shells. Hope for them
    4. honest jew
      honest jew 31 August 2013 13: 17 New
      -33
      In this war I do not know what Syria will fight, but I know for sure that in the next war Syria will fight with sticks and stones !!!!
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 31 August 2013 13: 26 New
        14
        Quote: Honest Jew
        In this war I do not know what Syria will fight, but I know for sure that in the next war Syria will fight with sticks and stones !!!!

        How to know ...
        There is a nonzero probability that Assad will be able to repulse the "partners"
        desire, kidneys and other organs, as well as a habit rattle weapons with impunity.
        yes
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 31 August 2013 14: 41 New
          13
          Quote: Sukhov
          There is a nonzero probability that Assad will be able to repulse the "partners"
          desire, kidneys and other organs, as well as the habit of rattling weapons with impunity.


          According to specialists, based on the air defense and aviation resources available to Syria, the situation looks something like this. Syrian air defense will be able to repel the first blows destroy 40 to 50 air attack weapons, including up to 20-30 long-range cruise missiles, with a distraction of false targets up to 40-60% or more percussion instruments.
          At the same time, their own losses can amount to no more than 10-15% of the initial composition, while retaining their combat capability.
          And this is subject to a high-quality operational environment, good training of personnel, their experience and the organization of counteraction against ground-based DRGs.
          Syria’s air defense system is capable of disrupting an air offensive operation or even an air campaign of the NATO and Israeli air forces if 450-500 aircraft and 200-400 cruise missiles are involved in its operation.
          In order to secure air supremacy over Syria within a reasonable timeframe, the NATO-Israel coalition will need to create an aviation grouping of at least 2000-2500 multi-purpose aircraft and at least 1000-1500 sea-based and air-based long-range cruise missiles.

          To suppress the Syrian air defense system, which has about 650 anti-aircraft missile systems, and aviation, which has about 450 aircraft of different classes, the creation of overwhelming air superiority will be required, otherwise NATO aviation losses will be very large. The alliance will need to assemble an air fleet of 1500-2000 aircraft.
          If the NATO forces create a grouping of only 600-700 vehicles, it will suffer significant losses, because it will not be able to suppress all air defense and air force assets at the same time, and many of them will effectively counter it. If they create a grouping comparable to that which was set up against Iraq in 2003, that is, 2000-2500 aircraft, then by massing forces they will be able to solve the problem of suppressing air defense and air force assets in the first blows. Then the loss of NATO aviation can have in the range of 20-30 aircraft.

          Leonid Ivashov

          Therefore, 4 destroyers with 2APL in the Mediterranean, plus two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea without the British and French, are clearly not enough to successfully conduct a full-scale air operation, only an indicative shelling of the Tomahawk KR is nothing more if these calculations are followed
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 31 August 2013 18: 49 New
            +4
            Quote: Ascetic
            Therefore, 4 destroyers with 2APL in the Mediterranean, plus two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea without the British and French, are clearly not enough to successfully conduct a full-scale air operation, only an indicative shelling of the Tomahawk KR is nothing more if these calculations are followed

            But what about Syria only?
            Which country will be able to repulse such a potential strike power without much loss?
            And will the allies agree on point 5 for possible losses? One "stealth" in Syria is not enough ...
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 31 August 2013 22: 15 New
            0
            Quote: Ascetic
            Syria’s air defense system is capable of disrupting an air offensive operation or even an air campaign of the NATO and Israeli air forces if 450-500 aircraft and 200-400 cruise missiles are involved in its operation.


            Yes, she did not resist against Israel’s 2-3 aircraft recently, not to mention 400-500 hi
            1. Free Island
              Free Island 1 September 2013 12: 16 New
              +2
              and not destiny to think that "two or three" small Israeli air raids were ignored by the Syrian air defense on purpose? the option is allowed that these raids by the Jews were not perfect for the destruction of some small targets, but, for example, to provoke a retaliatory strike, which the wise Assad ignored, or in order to reveal the location and capabilities of Syrian air defense ??? or only a silly irony is allowed, saying that the Syrians did not shoot down two Jews, and where do they go to a full-fledged NATO-US air group ???
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: Free Island
                and not destiny to think that "two or three" small Israeli air raids were ignored by the Syrian air defense on purpose


                No. Because they joyfully announced the downed Israeli phantom, when it was not yet clear that it was Turkish. Well, or maybe in 2008 they didn’t specifically shoot down when the reactor was destroyed? Or in 2006 - a fly over Assad’s palace?
            2. Suhov
              Suhov 1 September 2013 18: 56 New
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              Yes, she did not resist against Israel’s 2-3 aircraft recently, not to mention 400-500

              Rust at one time also sat on Red Square ...
              So what?
              There is something in common between yours and my examples.
              In both cases, the planes were not shot down just because - there was no order!
              True, the reasons are different, but nonetheless ...
              hi
            3. Suhov
              Suhov 1 September 2013 19: 10 New
              0
              Quote: smersh70
              Yes, she did not resist against Israel’s 2-3 aircraft recently, not to mention 400-500

              And if you compare 2-3 aircraft with 400-500 aircraft - this is like in a large family:
              that for one child to cook dinner, that for a whole "gang" - Time difference small.
              laughing
          3. alexng
            alexng 31 August 2013 22: 33 New
            +6
            At the same time, one should not forget that Syria has anti-ship systems and missiles will fly as soon as ax starts are detected. And in the notch of the attack, Russian ships cruising nearby will help. But most likely Russian ships will play a role in illuminating targets, and Syrian radars will operate in a passive mode and this will greatly complicate the life of American scum in this tabloid trick.
            1. alone
              alone 31 August 2013 22: 36 New
              +5
              anti-ship systems hit 300km to launch the axes enough to make the ship close to 400km. how to destroy the ship’s ship if it cannot fly more than 300km?
              1. alexng
                alexng 1 September 2013 22: 47 New
                0
                If you believe the infe launched on the Internet in Syria, the latest developed anti-ship systems were delivered, striking up to 700 km.
                1. alone
                  alone 1 September 2013 23: 10 New
                  +1
                  I don’t know Alexander whether it is worth believing the infe launched in the Internet. For sure we know about yahont. About those who beat at 700 it looks like OBS
          4. Pimply
            Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 23 New
            +2
            Ivashov believes in fairy tales. In 2008, when the reactor was beaten, the entire air defense system was simply crushed by interference.
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 2 September 2013 00: 38 New
              0
              Pure truth. But what kind of obstacles it is necessary to ask the corrupt Greeks, I already wrote about this.
      2. Anti
        Anti 31 August 2013 13: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: Honest Jew
        In this war, I do not know what Syria will fight, but I know for sure


        Syria
        At least 50 ZRPK "Pantsir-C1" (reaction time 5 sec, 80% probability) simultaneously takes up to 4 missile launchers "Tomahawk",
        At least 30 air defense systems "Tor-M1-2", "Tor-M2E" (reaction time 7,5 sec., 90% probability) - 2nd.
        It seems also ZRPK "Tunguska - M1")))
        So, respectively, they can simultaneously bring down: 50x4 = 200 and 30x2 = 60 (excluding ...)
        Total: 260 Tomahawks with a landing interval of 5,0-7,5 seconds.
        hi
        1. Recon
          Recon 31 August 2013 13: 39 New
          12
          Let us hope that the hypocrites of NATO will wash off in full blood.
          1. Anti
            Anti 31 August 2013 13: 41 New
            +8
            Rather fly into the headstock !!! laughing
            1. Ascetic
              Ascetic 31 August 2013 15: 09 New
              11
              Quote: Anti
              Rather fly into the headstock !!


              Speaking of grandmas..
              Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
              sent official letter to the Senate with his assessment of a possible military intervention in Syria. The general assessment of the military operation by the general remained negative.
              Training and support for Syrian rebels costs about $ 500 million a year. * "Limited" attacks with cruise missiles and aircraft against "hundreds" of military targets in Syria .. Estimated cost of the operation: "billions of dollars" ... Creating a “no-fly” zones ”in Syria in order to limit the use of the Syrian Air Force. Initial value: $ 500 million, further value: $ 1 billion per month ...
              Securing control over chemical weapons in Syria. It will require the creation of a “no-fly zone”, and the introduction of a limited contingent of ground forces, as well as operations to seize objects using special forces. Cost of operation: over $ 1 billion per month.


              Well this is what a load on the Fed's printing press, and yet the quantitative incentive program (QE3) in the USA has not yet been canceled. The Fed is going to stop the printing press in September, and then an expensive war, as it’s all not connected
              1. Arkan
                Arkan 31 August 2013 15: 29 New
                +8
                Quote: Ascetic
                and then a costly war ,,, as it all does not fit together

                It fits. The fact is that by printing money and "scrolling" with their help its economy, the United States will need to get rid of their excess (inflationary) mass in the United States (otherwise inflation and dollar depreciation cannot be avoided). The war, and the subsequent restoration of Syria, as well as - - loans and financial assistance to the new government (in the event of a displacement of the legitimate government) - an ideal opportunity for the United States to get rid of unnecessary (in the United States) paper (while receiving a lot of political and economic dividends). But in case of a "not successful war" the consequences for the United States may become unpredictable (from the consolidation of anti-American forces in the Islamic world to the aggravation of financial problems in the United States itself).
                1. S-200
                  S-200 31 August 2013 16: 50 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Arkan
                  in the event of an "unsuccessful war" the consequences for the United States may become unpredictable

                  how many of these "unsuccessful wars" have they already had,
                  and MONSTER is still there!
                  but, I agree with you that for the bestial cruelty of American imperialism, a war anywhere in the world, except for its lair, is not only FAVORABLE, but vital REQUIRED!
                  Destroying somewhere in the world, they thereby - CREATE again, and, above all - at home ...
                  starting from an additional issue of money ...
                  to - new jobs in their economy ..
                  1. Arkan
                    Arkan 31 August 2013 17: 45 New
                    +3
                    Quote: S-200
                    how many of these "unsuccessful wars" have they already had,
                    and MONSTER is still there!

                    Not so much! It's just that Americans have their own mentality (and, accordingly, a system of values), Muslims have their own, well, we (Slavs) also have our own (although after the collapse of the USSR, it is somewhat undefined, but our own). The United States is a country with well-established capitalist traditions, and as in any capitalist society, the interests of a narrow circle of people can dominate the objective interests of the state (of course, industrialists and financiers will in every possible way convince the US population that their interests are the interests of the United States ... There are a lot of examples of this! (Remember the slogan - "What is profitable for General Motors is profitable for the USA ...") Corporations that have made their profit in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan do not consider (unlike us) these lost wars - they made a profit from them (while the majority of US residents will simply envy their income without thinking about the fact that among the inhabitants of the country they have destroyed there will be avengers (from their point of view, they are terrorists, bandits, etc.)! They would so they lived (indebt, - unleashing wars as the need to write off debts and the need for new loans to new regimes ...) But nuclear weapons appeared in the world that can "get" businessmen ... - from here and the West's throwing between the need to destroy countries and the possible the consequences (while the USSR, or Russia and China were "out of the game", and the Americans themselves were more interested in "how much silicone is in Pamela Anderson's lip - this policy of theirs has borne fruit (for a certain circle of people) ... - and now - it's stupidly scary , Russia or China (for example) is stupidly more profitable (in all respects) to score on some kind of agreements with the West (signed by Yeltsin and Gorbachev) and (without even interfering in the conflict) to sell Iran something good (such as tactical nuclear weapons) ...
                2. Basil123
                  Basil123 31 August 2013 18: 51 New
                  +8
                  damn it is necessary to bombard Canada forest on paper they take from there ......... probably laughing
        2. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 31 August 2013 14: 51 New
          +4
          You give figures, not taking into account the use by the coalition forces of electronic warfare, the state of the Syria’s combat control system, after the first wave of strikes. The number of air defense systems indicated by you does not exist. The May and July strikes by the means indicated by you, the Syrian command failed to repel. Air defense systems are characterized not only by quantitative indicators. An example of Iraqi and Libyan air defense is a convex example. A fair amount of contamination of the territory of Syria by regular and contingent agents of the Coalition countries will greatly simplify the task of detecting and neutralizing Syrian air defense forces and means before launching the massive use of cruise missiles.
          1. Anti
            Anti 31 August 2013 15: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: gunnerminer
            You give figures, not taking into account the use of electronic warfare by the coalition forces

            http://r136a.livejournal.com/1637524.html
          2. alone
            alone 31 August 2013 17: 01 New
            +3
            in addition, it is still unknown whether everything is still controlled by the government. There are video bearded men who showed captured various air defense systems.
        3. coserg 2012
          coserg 2012 1 September 2013 13: 46 New
          0
          And even if they cover a couple of destroyers, or at least one of the aircraft carriers is pulled down, there will be a general drape from the war zone.
          1. Allegedly
            Allegedly 1 September 2013 14: 23 New
            +2
            I remember that Amers escaped from Somalia when they put in more than 200 of their special forces? I have written many times about this. As soon as unacceptable damage will be done to them, they will tighten their tail and the whine will run away. All their vaunted army can only kill the Papuans from all drones. They honestly did not win a single war. Mercenaries can fight for money, they can kill for money, but they will never die for money.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 28 New
              0
              You should at least look at information about the operation, and why they left Somalia.
              The United States lost 18 people, not 200.
              1. Ruslan_F38
                Ruslan_F38 1 September 2013 15: 42 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                You should at least look at information about the operation, and why they left Somalia.
                The United States lost 18 people, not 200.


                A total of 22 people lost during their stay in Somalia, including the last operation, and more than 20 were injured.
              2. Allegedly
                Allegedly 1 September 2013 17: 39 New
                +9
                Regarding its losses, the US Army statistics are lying. Counts the loss of ONLY AMERICAN CITIZENS. And in hot spots of non-US citizens in the Amer army serves at least 2/3 of the personnel. They are fighting for US citizenship. Which they promised after returning with a victory.

                Think about yourself, whom the amerskoy command tends to send to the most dangerous places?

                For example, during the suppression of the Shiite insurgency in Falluja, the army did not begin the storming of the city until they completed the entire sergeant composition of the military group of immigrants from the CIS - non-citizens of the United States. First, it was believed that these same people for urban battles are better suited, and secondly, to improve the loss statistics. And they do not mind.

                And still do not consider the loss of PMCs - private military companies. And there are no fewer of them than state troops. How much exactly, no one knows at all.

                In addition, if as a result of a fire a soldier dies not immediately, and after (sometimes a lot after) dies in a hospital, he also does not get into the statistics of combat losses.

                But that is not all. Some of the dead are recorded as service members outside the hot spots. And they, too, are not recorded in the statistics of combat losses.

                REAL losses of the American army - the biggest state secret of the USA. Amer concluded from his Vietnam war. According to the US military, in Vietnam, the United States could not win because of journalists. Which sent sensational materials from the war. Now, journalists in hot spots are taken under unprecedented control. They also shut up those who were trying to inflate about freedom of the press and the right of citizens to information.
              3. Allegedly
                Allegedly 2 September 2013 00: 35 New
                0
                Quote: Pimply
                lost 18 people


                Well, if you keep in mind what is human, then there were no losses.
      3. vezunchik
        vezunchik 31 August 2013 13: 59 New
        +5
        if Syria falls, then you, dear fellow Jew, will be a complete scribe. You Can't Resist Islam
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 14: 04 New
          13
          Do not compare the Religion of Islam and the Jews, everything is much more complicated here, Jews have been poisoning Arabs and doing it very successfully for many years, here the Islamists (not to be confused with professing Islam) and the radicals will give Israel many pleasant minutes.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 29 New
            +3
            And to assume that the Arabs themselves are at war with each other (and they fought all the time)?
          2. Allegedly
            Allegedly 5 September 2013 23: 57 New
            0
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            Do not match the Religion of Islam and the Jews


            Captain. Evidence of what to do if they work together. So to say fucking colleagues in the profession. Even the geyparad is their accomplice. I just have a question - what to do about it?
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 29 New
          +1
          Apparently, over the past 60 years, Israel still can not resist Islam 8)
        3. Allegedly
          Allegedly 1 September 2013 17: 06 New
          -1
          Quote: vezunchik
          if Syria falls, then you, dear fellow Jew, will be a complete scribe.


          Nothing will happen to them there, the Zionists will always agree with everyone.
        4. zvereok
          zvereok 1 September 2013 22: 59 New
          +1
          They will shoot everything that moves on the border and feel great. If necessary, all non-Jews will be expelled from Israel. Beards with berdyanka and lice are not Opponents for Israel. And Syria is a rival with sufficient potential.
      4. S-200
        S-200 31 August 2013 16: 26 New
        +1
        yes you, my friend, Einstein’s plagiarist ... negative
      5. goldfinger
        goldfinger 31 August 2013 18: 14 New
        +3
        Maybe there won't be this next war, Honest Jew. Here is a look at the problem of the Russian historian V. Mirsky: "I am not one of those who are convinced that the Assad regime could in no way use this weapon;" that in Damascus - are they full to expose themselves like that? " Of the two sides fighting in Syria, neither is better than the other, each is capable of anything. Of course, it is more logical to assume that this provocation was arranged by the opposition in order to give the West a pretext to actively intervene. But it is possible that the government also intended to provoke the West to do just that. intervention. Why? Yes, so that America is drawn into a war that it cannot win. Assad is well aware that there will be no mortal threat to him, even if his enemies launch missile strikes. Of course, his military potential will be seriously weakened, but how can they in Damascus to doubt that Russia and Iran will easily compensate for all the losses, will give as many weapons as needed, and Tehran will still throw in manpower - "volunteers" of their number of soldiers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps tion. Yes, and Hezbollah from Lebanon will bring up new forces of experienced and fearless fighters, Shiite fanatics, only who can resist the Sunni fanatics.

        Now Assad has found a second wind, he is sure that time is working for him, because it is impossible to destroy his regime without a large-scale land operation involving tens, if not hundreds of thousands of soldiers. But such an operation will not be, this is clear to everyone, even air bombing is very problematic: after all, Assad’s air defense systems are much stronger than those that the ill-fated Gaddafi had, there will be serious losses, pilots will die. But neither in the USA nor in Europe, I am sure, there will be a man who would agree to send “our guys” to death in order to bring down some Arab dictator. A recent survey in the United States showed that only 9% approve of a military operation. Therefore, Obama and Cameron are forced to limit themselves to half measures - rocket attacks from ships. By doing so, they divert themselves from the fierce criticism that both leaders, especially Obama, have continuously been subjected to for many months ("washed his hands, just chatting, and there the whole people are dying!") And at the same time avoid victims on their own side. And eat the fish ... and so on. But you won’t win the war with cruise missiles, and you won’t help the rebels too much, because they demand that they be supplied with anti-aircraft systems and anti-tank missiles, but this is precisely what Obama is afraid to do, realizing how many buckets of slop will be poured on him in his country, if it turns out that Damascus was captured by the savages and scumbags from Al-Qaeda, faithful to Bin Laden's precepts - to kill Americans wherever possible.

        Therefore, the Assad regime is not afraid that targeted missile strikes will lead to a victory for the rebels. And the moral and political gain for Damascus would be enormous: just imagine the headlines in the media, starting from the Russian ones: “So they waited — another country fell victim to gross aggression under a far-fetched clumsy pretext! After Iraq. Afghanistan, Libya - now Syria! The aggressors have shown their face once again! More importantly, the more America gets involved in the Syrian war, the more likely - under the law of escalating conflicts - that Russia and Iran, not wanting to lose face, will double and triple their support for the Assad regime. It turns out that by drawing the West deeper into the war, you draw Russia deeper - on your side - and tie it closer to you. Isn't all this a plus for Assad and his entourage, isn't it a win? Why not go to the provocation with the use of chemical weapons for this? "
        Doesn't that sound pretty convincing? After all, “don't put your finger in your mouth” to Bashar al-Assad, as the classics wrote. Father ruled an artificial state with an iron hand, an example before his eyes.
      6. German
        German 1 September 2013 08: 02 New
        +5
        To an honest Jew: don’t overshadow Einstein’s words (he is also a Jew, by the way), and if you think in this aspect, you can drive Israel into the Stone Age ... Israel exists only because Arabs do not agree among themselves. if the Arabs manage to come to an agreement ... Well, I don’t envy the state of Israel and its citizens at all!
    5. bootlegger
      bootlegger 31 August 2013 14: 35 New
      15
      The main thing is not said in the article.
      About Assad's assortment of chemical weapons.
      And aggression did not begin only for this reason.
      The United States understands that Assad cannot be pressed against the wall. He and Israel will also poison the US marines, if necessary, will swim upstairs in the sea. Chemical weapons are not in vain called nuclear weapons for the poor.
      He does not say this yet, but everyone understands this. And the USA does not need such an outcome.
      Therefore, the situation, more and more, resembles a scandal in the style of "Hold me seven"
    6. sub307
      sub307 31 August 2013 17: 32 New
      0
      Yes, in general - of course a superficial article, but a rather tendentious article. There are quite a few of them in the media, according to the "moment". First tyk pyk - analysis of the situation "on the road", some information on the topic. Well, the designation of the trend, or rather its continuation: "... as a result of external aggression, the legitimate government in Syria will be forcibly overthrown, the next predicted step will be the military operation of the United States and Israel against Iran, which will bring the theater of military operations close to the borders of Russia."
    7. Mujahiddin777
      Mujahiddin777 31 August 2013 22: 06 New
      +1
      If, as a result of external aggression, the legitimate authority in Syria is forcibly overthrown, the next predicted step will be the military operation of the USA and Israel against Iran, which will bring the theater of operations close to the borders of Russia Well what is it? Not really a hint that Russia will observe from the side how they will (as Putin said) WET Syria and will do nothing?
    8. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      Just this fucking about Barack Obama, declared-to be bombing ...
      Well, we wish Syria fortitude, its soldiers, to bring down as many Amer and other vultures as possible and bury them in the ground.
    9. konvalval
      konvalval 1 September 2013 22: 22 New
      0
      Ask Serdyukov more precisely. For a reward, he will tell.
  2. Denis
    Denis 31 August 2013 11: 19 New
    +1
    I don’t know the truth or not, I read today that C 300 was not delivered to Syria, there were no payments for them yet.
    1. tilovaykrisa
      tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 11: 49 New
      +8
      they don’t help anyway, to use these systems you need a properly working air defense system, electronic warfare systems, so that they will only become a target, diplomatic graters are going on in Syria, the GDP has already hinted that in case of aggression Iran will receive all weapons that were not delivered to it before, there c300 and other systems. Yes, and tamahawks blows will not change the situation, there will be Qatari, Jordanian, Saudi special forces.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 31 August 2013 13: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        the use of these systems requires a properly functioning air defense system, electronic warfare systems, so that they will only become a target

        Well, as far as I know, the S-300s can operate both as part of a single air defense system and individually, having their own electronic warfare.
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 26 New
          +9
          the system should be clearly built, as an example, from 300 to medium beech2m the nearest shell works for a large radius, all this is covered by EW systems + add here Effective (newest) radar systems for continuous coverage of the zone + protection of air defense bases from saboteurs + air forces, here t when the system will really effectively cover the area, and the c300 is only one element, which after switching on (illumination) becomes a good target for missiles designed specifically to combat enemy air defenses.
          1. poquello
            poquello 31 August 2013 13: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            , and the c300 is just 1 lementi element, which after switching on (exposure) becomes a good target for missiles designed specifically to combat enemy air defenses.


            Does it not work with remote bearing?
          2. Suhov
            Suhov 31 August 2013 14: 04 New
            +3
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            and the c300 is only 1 lementi which after switching on (illumination) becomes a good target for missiles designed specifically to combat enemy air defenses.

            Sorry, but why should there be a flare of the above complexes?
            Why are our ships there, what are they doing there?
            And who, if anything, dares to them jawsopen your mouth?
            yes
            1. gunnerminer
              gunnerminer 31 August 2013 14: 56 New
              +1
              What threat can a BDK with an age of 30 years pose? One BOD, two reconnaissance ships, two tugboats, a PM-138 floating workshop? At the same time, there is no PRTB (floating missile and technical base), a hospital ship (where should the wounded be evacuated?), There is no air reconnaissance, air cover.
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 31 August 2013 15: 33 New
                +6
                Quote: gunnerminer
                two reconnaissance ships

                One is enough to control airspace, register targets and transfer their coordinates to Syrian air defense systems.
                sad
                1. gunnerminer
                  gunnerminer 31 August 2013 16: 51 New
                  +1
                  Reconnaissance ships do not have the technical capabilities to control airspace, especially the processing of airborne targets and data transmission by Syrian air defense. Such joint operations between Russian crews and naval combat crews have never been practiced in training or exercises. It is clearly visible what radars are on armed with these ships.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 1 September 2013 15: 30 New
        0
        Will not receive. Russia is not interested in nuclear Iran.
    2. Proud.
      Proud. 31 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Denis
      They didn’t supply Syria with 300; there were no payments for them yet.

      Well, I don’t know, at the end of May, Assad gave an interview to the Lebanese TV channel Al-Manar, where he said that Syria had already received the first deliveries of S-300 air defense systems. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov commented on the situation: “I cannot confirm either nor to deny at what stage these supplies are. I can only say that we are not abandoning them. "And later Assad repeated that the supplies are being carried out in accordance with previously signed contracts. That infa is contradictory, it is good, it means" the inhabitants of the mountain region Pindus is "ill-informed and afraid.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 31 August 2013 13: 00 New
        +2
        "From the point of view of ensuring its geopolitical influence in the region, for Russia it is of key importance to preserve the point of material and technical support of the Russian fleet in the Syrian port of Tartus."
        I saw the latest information about Tartus:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcveY4gdS0A
        In my disappointing. Maybe something has changed? Who knows?
  3. sichevik
    sichevik 31 August 2013 11: 24 New
    14
    It would be better if external aggression does not come to pass. If this long-eared, black, dirty, smelly niggerskaya monkey sitting in the white house (that he was dead, pa.dal) and decide to bomb Syria, Bashar al-Assad will be very difficult. It is necessary to prevent any external aggression. Otherwise, Assad does not survive. It's a pity . I respect him very much.
    1. vezunchik
      vezunchik 31 August 2013 14: 07 New
      +7
      Although Russia is all muddied with mud, we helped almost everyone! If it weren’t for Russia and the Central Asian peoples to be in feudalism, and the Africans would continue to be slaves, and they would drag them out into the people ... Only frogmen how many times Russia saved from aggression from the throne of Germany !!!
      And what??
      The FSA cannot forgive us for this!
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 31 August 2013 14: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: vezunchik
        Even though Russia is muddled with mud,

        How they managed themselves, so you will not smear them! You must be able to lie too!
  4. Che
    Che 31 August 2013 11: 25 New
    +3
    Commenting on the refusal of the British authorities to participate in the military operation, a representative of the US National Security Council Caitlin Hayden told RIA Novosti that US President Barack Obama will be guided by the national interests of the United States when deciding on Syria.

    Of their interests - the collapse and destruction of the countries of the Maghreb and BV.

    Really amer high on watering people. Or they divide them into worthy and unworthy to live.
    1. Curculum
      Curculum 31 August 2013 12: 30 New
      +8
      Quote: Che
      Really amer high on watering people. Or they divide them into worthy and unworthy to live

      As for what you indicated - I can’t say, but most likely - they just do not care about any population.
      But the fact that amer all sorts of mongrels are ready to lick the priest - I know this for sure: at first, the President of Latvia issued a "supporting" opus (yesterday they laughed at it), and today the Polish one is there too: "Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski decided to lay some of the blame for chemical weapons in Damascus against Russia. In his opinion, since Syria borrowed chemical weapons technologies from the USSR, then Russia is responsible for its use. " - how!
      1. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 31 August 2013 13: 30 New
        +7
        Poles are "European" clowns - they claim they belong in a madhouse.
      2. Marconi41
        Marconi41 2 September 2013 06: 23 New
        0
        In this case, NATO needs to offer the Poles to shoot at the territory of the Russian Federation. Maybe after an answer, the statements of Polish politicians and analysts are reduced.
    2. Krsk
      Krsk 31 August 2013 12: 42 New
      +7
      Quote: Che
      Really amer high on watering people.



      They are just different ... For them, this is the meaning of their existence. In general, they are a dead-end line in the development of HUMAN MIND ... Mutation at the moral level. I'm afraid I can't get rid of them without a "surgical" way.

      PS One thing is a pity: this procedure will affect the whole world ...
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 31 August 2013 13: 40 New
        +9
        No, in principle, taking into account migration, for the most part they were absolutely normal people, with a different mentality, of course, but people. But at the moment, in the United States, a social experiment is being carried out on mass control and stupidity of the population, the same thing is happening in countries such as Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, but there the goal of the experiment is different, namely the destruction of family values ​​and the concept of the family as a cell in society, in others European countries are conducting another experiment on the topic of replacing traditional relations with non-traditional ones and so on ..... The world is being prepared for a new formation that is correct according to the views of world puppeteers, and those countries that do not fit into the new world order are simply being destroyed.
    3. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 1 September 2013 08: 15 New
      +1
      And here you are right to the point: did you see materials from Iraq about the shooting of a group of journalists by Amerov’s helicopter pilots? From the crew’s negotiations it seems that they are playing toys or smoked to a pig’s screech. And, as you said, they really shoot people Kaifu. It's the same as when they once paid for the scalps of the Indians. Nothing has changed in the United States, and they themselves remained the same!
      1. Curculum
        Curculum 1 September 2013 10: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        And to shoot people at them, as you said, is really high.

        Let me add: in defenseless people, tk. upon receiving an equivalent answer, their high turns into a stupor, turning into panic.
  5. usinsk
    usinsk 31 August 2013 11: 30 New
    0
    The article is not complete. The topic is not disclosed.
  6. Mark III
    Mark III 31 August 2013 11: 32 New
    0
    A little about the Chinese supplies for the Syrian army here: http: //www.militaryparitet.com/ttp/data/ic_ttp/6069/
  7. saag
    saag 31 August 2013 11: 33 New
    0
    "... With the loss of Tartus, the deployment of a Russian naval group on a permanent basis in the Mediterranean Sea will become problematic."

    Not particularly critical, even now the ships will go to Beirut for water and other things, and it’s quite possible to take supplies from transports

    And so in which case the same picture will be as with Iraq
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 14: 59 New
      +1
      Acceptance of supplies from transports is limited by weather conditions at the rendezvous point, the lack of modern equipped transports of universal supply. Ammunition is much more convenient and efficient to transfer to the base. Than on an unprotected raid. The issue of rest of crews with an ashore is important.
      1. Poppy
        Poppy 2 September 2013 12: 15 New
        +1
        I went to combat even in the days of the USSR: I went to Tartus twice for 3 days, once went ashore, this did not affect the rest of the crews
        they took all supplies from transports to the sea: most of them were brought from the Union, only fruits and vegetables from Greece, all the time they either anchored in the sea on a bank or moved
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 16: 57 New
      +1
      Not particularly critical, even now the ships will go to Beirut for water and other things, and it’s quite possible to take supplies from transports

      Critical. Ships of 5 OPESK, due to the lack of bases, were forced to stand at anchor points, or drift, constantly keep the main engines ready. Auxiliary mechanisms. Perishable goods were provided by merchant ships Proletarian victory, Cheboksary and others. It forced the courts to make calls. to the ports of Italy. France. Greece. making expensive food purchases. According to weather conditions, especially in the autumn-winter period, the deadlines for timely supply of fresh products to crews of ships and diesel submarines were disrupted.
  8. Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil 31 August 2013 11: 37 New
    0
    In the case of external aggression, Syria will be repulsed by all available means. This is understandable. And the article is too superficial.
    1. scientist cat
      scientist cat 31 August 2013 14: 07 New
      +3
      Doctor Evil
      In an open confrontation with the coalition of the West, Turkey and the Arab monarchies, victory in the Syrian war cannot be won.

      Assad’s chance is to disperse his forces, evacuate strategic targets, and wait out an attack that will be time-limited. Save your strength in this way to continue the fight against the rebels. In addition, Assad needs to expose the civilian population of Syria, a small sacrifice throughout the country, several thousand, including women and children, to place the civilian population in the places of the alleged attack, to show in all media the footage of dead civilians injured during shelling of the coalition. To wage an information war, to raise a wave of civil protest in Western countries, behind enemy lines.
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 31 August 2013 14: 14 New
        10
        Quote: cat scientist
        Assad must be attacked by the civilian population of Syria, a small sacrifice throughout the country, several thousand, including women and children, to place the civilian population in the places of the alleged attack, to show in all media the footage of the dead civilians injured during shelling of the coalition.

        That is the whole essence of Jewish thinking. And, unfortunately, in a number of countries it has been elevated to the rank of state policy.
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 31 August 2013 14: 27 New
          +2
          Arkan Doctor evil is right! Otherwise, all military facilities will be destroyed, he has no choice.
          1. smile
            smile 31 August 2013 15: 02 New
            +7
            Zhenya
            And when did the Americans stop that civilians would die? In Hiroshima? In Dresden? In Korea? Vietnam Yugoslavia? ... maybe in Agana and Iraq? In Yugoslavia, the Army was practically not affected at all, only civilian casualties were successfully hit and civilian casualties were virtually all.
        2. scientist cat
          scientist cat 2 September 2013 17: 54 New
          0
          In the British newspaper Daily Mirror, a report appeared that Assad began using prisoners as human shields. Thousands of prisoners - rebels, political dissidents, army deserters and criminals - were brought to military sites and places of alleged targets for military strikes.
          http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/syria-human-shields-president-assad-2237
          439
          Humanists and professing principles of universal values ​​will certainly condemn this.
          But the goal is to win the war, and in war this is called collateral loss.

          Secondly, all members of the forum who expressed their agreement with Arkan, who insulted all Jews with their statements, I urge you to apologize together.
      2. smile
        smile 31 August 2013 14: 57 New
        +7
        scientist cat
        Well, why would Assad place someone somewhere, if the Americans, as always, and so the peaceful people will kill an order of magnitude more than the military. Moreover, the world clergy has long been accustomed to the fact that where democracy is heading, hundreds of times more people die than in decades of "oppression by bloody tyrants", and she doesn't give a damn about them ... they only care about the coffins of democratizers ... they will go the coffins will quickly get excited, they will not go, they will calm down ... In addition, Assad is clearly not the right person. which is hiding behind its own population. I didn't give any reason to think about him like that.
        1. scientist cat
          scientist cat 31 August 2013 17: 31 New
          +2
          Vladimir
          Regarding Hiroshima, Dresden, Korea and Vietnam - this was a long time ago, after World War II, few people paid attention to the loss of civilians at that time.
          Relatively recently there were wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Libya. Civilians perished.
          But the Western public did not see the corpses of civilians who died as a result of the NATO attacks on the pages of newspapers and television screens, they do not know this, many think that they helped people to destroy tyrants.
          No one has ever waged a successful information war with them.
          Of course, if, as a result of the US attack, there will be enough civilian casualties in Syria, Assad will not need to put his hand to it, but it would be desirable if he himself planned such a trap.
          Otherwise, it is more likely to end like Gaddafi.
          1. smile
            smile 31 August 2013 17: 57 New
            +3
            scientist cat
            Oh, Zhenya ... the fact of the matter is that the western man in the street will see and believe only what his media will show ... were there not so many scandals with torture and murder of civilians, including hundreds of women and children in Iraqi bomb shelters, in the same Yugoslavia ... their propaganda machine is stronger in this field ... although, of course, this does not mean that it is not necessary to show the true state of affairs ... only it is not necessary to expose its civilian population ... they’ll get into it anyway ... but imagine what kind of open city in the west would rise if Assad would place hostages in important infrastructure facilities? And how would his people react to this? ...
            1. scientist cat
              scientist cat 31 August 2013 21: 00 New
              +3
              Vladimir

              I get the feeling that you give too low an assessment of the mental abilities of Europeans and Americans. Stop listening to Zadornov’s feuilleton :)

              Do you know that in the last year, the Russia Today news channel in English began to become popular in the West?
              And the fact that most of the French, Americans and British are against the operation in Syria?
              And the fact that the representatives of the inhabitants of England - the House of Commons of the British Parliament has already banned a military strike on Syria?
              In my opinion, this serves as direct evidence that the information attack works great.

              Now, regarding the fact that the placement of civilians on strategic projects is an ignoble act.

              You remember how the Yugoslavs voluntarily went out to defend the bridges from NATO air raids, they did not even have to be forced.

              And the Alawites, Armenians, Druze and Arabs are Christians KNOW that genocide awaits them in case of defeat; volunteers will not have to search for a long time.

              In addition, do not consider Assad a noble hero with an immaculate reputation, a faithful ally of Russia in the future, or a legally elected president.
              1. smile
                smile 31 August 2013 22: 21 New
                +5
                scientist cat
                Eugene, I am very pleased that our propaganda works. And I know that the West’s population as a whole doesn’t support the operation ... BUT .... I often communicate with Europeans (except for Europeans Poles and Lithuanians, I’m about twenty an hour before Lithuania, an hour before Poland, and relatives everywhere :) ))) and I know what I'm talking about. If their governments wish, and the operation does not bring losses, everything will go like clockwork ... alas.
                And I did not mention about Yugoslavia in vain; I perfectly remember their voluntary hostage ... did it stop the Americans? Caused sympathy among the European inhabitants? Alas ... all the intended goals were destroyed, no matter what ... and the factories and bridges .. and the television center banged and threw a gift to the Chinese ....

                I consider Assad a tough, strong-willed, not prone to sentiment and rash acts, ruler. And I do not exaggerate his alliance ... but I am not inclined to play down either.

                And Zadornova, with all due respect to him, I can’t watch for fifteen years or so! :)))
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 31 August 2013 23: 29 New
                  +4
                  Quote: smile
                  Alas ... all the intended goals were destroyed, no matter what ... and the factories and bridges .. and the television center banged and threw a gift to the Chinese ....

                  Welcome smile.
                  Yes Alas, it was so ... And let me quote from Wikipedia on the fate of the "scapegoat" appointed by Washington:

                  “US CIA Colonel William Bennett was in charge of information on the targets for NATO air strikes. In 2000, Bennett was fired (according to official information - of his own free will, however, the Los Angeles Times, in an article dated April 8, 2000, wrote without specifying his last name that the CIA officer had been fired due to "fatal errors" sources indicated that it was Bennett, and the "fatal mistake" was the indication of the Chinese embassy as the target for the bombing). On March 22, 2009, William Bennett was killed by unknown assailants in a park by the river in Loudon County, Virginia (USA).>
                  1. smile
                    smile 1 September 2013 00: 46 New
                    +2
                    Corsair
                    And ours to you with a brush! :)))
                    He didn’t know ... I was tormented by vague doubts by the special forces who allegedly wrote off Benya ... along with the dog, then this Bennet ... but how many such cases, if you dig deeper ... democrease-she is such ... unknown persons always ready ... :)))) interesting ... and they trynde so much about the failure of the guidance system ... it turns out it wasn’t Akela missed ... it’s a shame to Tabaki ... yeah, and the dead are standing along the road ... and silenceaaaaaaaa ... pah, dirty tricks .... indeed the whole road of the SGA is densely strewn with corpses and abundantly watered with blood ... both of our own and others ... but we have a regime, and they have paradise ... yeah .. ..for downs ...
                    Thanks for the interesting info.
              2. ultra
                ultra 1 September 2013 22: 44 New
                0
                We are aware of everything that you wrote! hi
          2. Arkan
            Arkan 31 August 2013 18: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: cat scientist
            But the Western public did not see the corpses of civilians who died as a result of the NATO attacks on the pages of newspapers and television screens, they do not know this, many think that they helped people to destroy tyrants.
            No one has ever waged a successful information war with them.
            Of course, if, as a result of the US attack, there will be enough civilian casualties in Syria, Assad will not need to put his hand to it, but it would be desirable if he himself planned such a trap.
            Otherwise, it is more likely to end like Gaddafi.

            "Dear", with such thoughts you have a place in a madhouse! Moreover - the carriers of such ideas TYPE of "killing civilians for the sake of" information war "need to knock out their rotten brains by all available means (hammer, sledgehammer, bat ...)
            1. scientist cat
              scientist cat 31 August 2013 21: 12 New
              +3
              Arkan
              "Respected",
              Civilians will die anyway, and Assad needs to think about how to save the country and minimize losses.
              Less emotion, a future victim of a heart attack, it would be a pity to lose you, in the prime of life.
              1. lewerlin53rus
                lewerlin53rus 31 August 2013 22: 38 New
                +6
                I doubt that Assad will hide behind civilians, even with their consent. It is in his interests to take maximum measures to ensure the safety of civilians. But in the event of their death from the attacks of star-striped bandits, these facts should be used with maximum efficiency.
      3. Samminosh
        Samminosh 31 August 2013 23: 52 New
        +2
        Cynical, but essentially true.
        The only thing he is unlikely to substitute for the civilian population.
        Yes, and in the media fight the world media on some sort of chock to cheat.
  9. slaventi
    slaventi 31 August 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    If C-300 will be involved, then most likely with our combat crews.
  10. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 31 August 2013 11: 43 New
    +3
    NOT EVERYTHING IS SO TRAGIC!
    Cyprus will provide its Andreas Papandreou airbase for the use of the Russian Air Force. According to the Filelefteros newspaper, such an agreement was reached by Russian and Cypriot Foreign Ministers Sergei Lavrov and Ioannis Kasulidis at the talks in St. Petersburg.

    It is planned to sign the agreement on the use of the base during the visit of the President of Cyprus Nikos Anastasiadis to Moscow, the date of which has not yet been determined. After that, Russia, which can already deploy its warships for refueling in the port of Limassol, will receive serious opportunities for operations in the Eastern Mediterranean, the newspaper notes. Now Moscow, which recently announced that the Russian fleet will be permanently present in the Mediterranean Sea, has at its disposal only a logistics point in the Syrian port of Tartus.

    “It’s absolutely clear that in addition to airplanes, Moscow will deploy radar detection equipment on its base that will cover part of the region, including Israel, Lebanon, Syria and part of Turkey,” a senior Russian Air Force officer said.

    The air force military base in Cyprus will be able to facilitate the duty of the Russian fleet in the Mediterranean Sea, in addition, after the destruction of militants in Syria, Tartus may become not just a logistics point, but a full-fledged naval base of Russia.

    MORE - MORE: On August 29, a large anti-submarine ship of the Pacific Fleet "Admiral Panteleev" left Novorossiysk for military service in the Mediterranean Sea.
    On August 30, a large landing ship of the Baltic Fleet “Minsk” left Novorossiysk for military service in the Mediterranean Sea.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 15: 03 New
      +1
      There are British military bases in Dhekelia and Akrotiri in Cyprus. Are the governments of Great Britain and the United States passive to such a neighborhood? In addition, 40 Turkish troops are stationed in northern Cyprus, with all kinds of intelligence posts, including Israeli ones. from all sides and directions.
      1. Anti
        Anti 31 August 2013 16: 41 New
        0
        Quote: gunnerminer
        Russian bulls will be observed and viewed from all sides and directions.


        so after all, potential bases will be under surveillance! wink
        1. gunnerminer
          gunnerminer 31 August 2013 17: 00 New
          +1
          so after all, potential bases will be monitored

          The possibilities of conducting intelligence, as well as maintaining the counterintelligence regime of Russian bases and bases of the Coalition are unequal.
          1. Anti
            Anti 31 August 2013 18: 12 New
            -1
            if I’m not mistaken, there are still Russian space forces.
            1. brace
              brace 1 September 2013 01: 09 New
              +1
              Burst out. Space forces are increasingly launching buckets with nuts anywhere but not into space.
      2. Anat1974
        Anat1974 31 August 2013 19: 03 New
        -1
        And I will say to this: "And our army."
    2. Marconi41
      Marconi41 2 September 2013 06: 36 New
      0
      I think we won’t have time to place all this there before the US strikes.
  11. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 31 August 2013 11: 55 New
    0
    Obama wondered !!! This is our small victory .. Time is working for us. But I think the war will be serious ..
    1. Anti
      Anti 31 August 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      There will be no war, Assad will crush all the scum and everything will settle down hi
      1. Anti
        Anti 31 August 2013 14: 02 New
        +2
        It won’t be anyway tongue
    2. poquello
      poquello 31 August 2013 12: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Obama wondered !!! This is our small victory .. Time is working for us. But I think the war will be serious ..


      six destroyers, seven destroyers, eight destroyers ....

      "The USA sent the sixth destroyer to the shores of Syria"
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/31/648058.html

      Something at the Americans is not growing together or Assad has already hung two luleas for two trained units.
  12. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 31 August 2013 11: 58 New
    +6
    Yes, the Syrians have nothing special to shoot back the S-75, S-125 and Kub-M1, which form the basis of the Syrian air defense have long been outdated, there is still hope for the "Shell C1" and "Buk", but the fact that the Syrians still managed to supply the C- 300. Well, maybe the Syrian MiG-29 and MiG-25 will show themselves. At least the only loss of the US Air Force in the air combat F / A-18C from the deck squadron VFA-81, which was shot down on January 17, 1991, by the mattress makers themselves, was on account of the Iraqi MiG-25PD. Yours faithfully! hi
    Here he is this beauty:
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 31 August 2013 12: 02 New
      +6
      theme infographics
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 15: 25 New
      +2
      How many MiG-25PDs can fly into the air? Not planes are fighting. Pilots are fighting. How many Syrian pilots have qualifications, at least 3 classes? How much are air squadron commanders able to control the actions of subordinates? What is the state of the Syrian Air Force communications and control system? How long will the Syrian pilots without AWACS and EW? Without aerial reconnaissance? The flight hours and combat experience of Syrian pilots are inferior to the experience of pilots of carrier-based aircraft in the USA and Israel.
      1. Aljavad
        Aljavad 1 September 2013 23: 32 New
        +1
        In 1982, they lost in Bekaa without AWACS. What lessons have been learned is unknown.
      2. Aljavad
        Aljavad 3 September 2013 17: 03 New
        0
        In 1982, they lost in Bekaa without AWACS. What lessons have been learned is unknown.
    3. alone
      alone 31 August 2013 17: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      there is still hope for the Pantsir C1 and Buk, and that the Syrians managed to supply the S-300.


      about s-300! I think if they were put there, then the quantity is too miserable. There is no doubt the S-300 is an excellent air defense system. But there is one small fact that everyone forgets. The S-300 air defense system has not yet participated in more than one military operation. And the military people know that the real combat situation is always different from the training one, even if training firing is as close to combat as possible. and if anyone has a fact about the use of this air defense system in real hostilities, then please give a link. I will be very glad to admit my mistake.
  13. Ascetic
    Ascetic 31 August 2013 12: 00 New
    10
    Obama's determination to "punish" Assad appears to be fading away. The Geyropeans refused, either on their own or on orders from Washington, it does not matter, and Obama said that he would not fight alone.
    The United States will begin a military operation in Syria only as part of an international coalition. This, according to Reuters on August 30, said US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel.
    They will achieve little with missiles (already on the previous branch I spoke about this in more detail). and a full-scale ground operation is hundreds of coffins and a threat of impeachment from Congress (which is unlikely to give consent). Moreover, Assad explicitly stated that he would use chemical weapons in case of external aggression against Israel or American bases in Turkey or Jordan. It seems that all this fuss was started before the twenty summit in St. Petersburg in order to force Putin to make mistakes or with this sauce bargain for themselves favorable conditions “not to attack Syria”. One to the same thing was the injection around Iran and the Strait of Hormuz, the days and hours were also counted before the attacks of Israel and the USA, and the faithful dog Netanyahu shook a cardboard with the red lineAs a result, Britain found an excuse for not participating in the bombing in the form of a ban on parliament, and the United States in the form of Britain's refusal. exactly the same as now, they did not bother to come up with anything new. And Putin, judging by his demonstrative calmness, did not fall for this hysteria.
    "Non-attack on Assad" in exchange for the abolition of the introduction of a monetary union between China and Russia, and after and in all BRICS countries. That's what the US and its owners fear the Fed bankers. Such a blow to the genitals, they clearly can not stand.
    Why not rule out the possibility of such an asymmetric response in the event of a direct attack by the United States and its BLV mongrels on Syria and Iran?

    1. Mature naturalist
      Mature naturalist 31 August 2013 21: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Ascetic
      Britain found an excuse for not participating in the bombing in the form of a ban on parliament

      This scumbag also helped, probably, in making the right decision.
  14. Veles25
    Veles25 31 August 2013 12: 03 New
    -1
    Russia postpones arms deliveries to Syria

    http://www.newsru.com/russia/31aug2013/noweapons.html
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 31 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +3
      US sent sixth destroyer to Syria 31 August 2013, 11: 23
      The destroyer "San Antonio" supplemented the US Navy in the Mediterranean.
      .....
      Earlier, the American destroyers Mahan, Gravely, Barry, Ramage, and Stout arrived in the Mediterranean Sea.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 31 August 2013 12: 51 New
        +3
        Damascus: Syria is ready to strike back at any moment 31 August 2013, 12: 45
        The Syrian military leadership is ready to repel external aggression, a spokesman for the country's security service said.
        http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/31/648064.html
    2. Anat1974
      Anat1974 31 August 2013 19: 07 New
      +1
      Delays, so what?
  15. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 31 August 2013 12: 52 New
    +2
    Egypt closes Suez Canal for warships heading to attack Syria

    The French-language version of the Iranian news agency IRIB reports:

    The Egyptian Minister of War categorically spoke out: “Not a single warship, British or otherwise, has the right to cross the Suez Canal to attack Syria!” This decision is consistent with the joint defense agreement signed between Egypt and Syria, which obliges both countries to confront the common threat. The decision to close the strategic Suez Canal, which was adopted by Al-Sissi, complicates the task for the US-British coalition, ready to jointly attack Syria. CBS News said on Tuesday that the United States is preparing to launch raids against Syria on Thursday, its duration will be three days, they will be "limited and targeted." It is planned that against 40 targets, about 300 cruise missiles will be launched on Syrian territory, and the Syrian opposition will determine its goals on its own. The same Iranian agency in another message refers to Reuters as the primary source of information about the closure of the Suez Canal.
    NOT EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD IS THE ENEMIES OF SYRIA!

    Well-known French blogger Allen Jules, a well-informed expert on Middle Eastern issues and with his own sources of information, has just published the following:

    The situation is becoming increasingly difficult for Western politicians who are eager to start a war no less than Hitler once. General Abdel Fattah al-Sisi, Egypt’s new strong man, worthy heir to Nasser, announced the blocking of the Suez Canal for US warships sailing in the direction of Syria, including their floating supply bases.
    1. alone
      alone 31 August 2013 17: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: AleksUkr
      complicates the task for the US-British coalition, ready to jointly attack Syria

      The British refused to participate in the attack. The American destroyers arrive through the deathbed.

      Quote: AleksUkr
      the Syrian opposition will determine its goals independently.


      this means that all 40 objects will be immediately attacked by militants as soon as the Kyrgyz Republic get into the objects. so amers will not get on land operations
    2. kush62
      kush62 31 August 2013 17: 46 New
      +1
      It has been written a hundred times that the Egyptian military are led from the United States. And secondly: this amer does not need this channel.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 31 August 2013 23: 48 New
      +1
      Quote: AleksUkr
      Egypt closes Suez Canal for warships heading to attack Syria

      This is frankly outdated infa, which already found a refutation yesterday, including on the VO website.
      Your desire to see the events is not so dramatic, which they are, BUT such comments distort the real picture of what is happening recourse
  16. Pimply
    Pimply 31 August 2013 12: 54 New
    +4
    If we talk about purely military-technical benefits, then it will amount to not a few billion dollars, but much less. At the moment, the Syrians are able to pay their expenses only partially. Yes, and in the past they were mainly on credit.
    Trade with Turkey, Israel, the USA, etc. many times more.

    Russia has delayed the delivery of arms under contracts with Syria to a later date. According to a Kommersant newspaper on Saturday, August 31, citing a source close to Rosoboronexport, in particular, the first MiG-29M / M2 fighters to be delivered this year will only reach the Syrians in 2016 and 2017 year.

    According to the publication, the delivery dates for Yak-130 combat training aircraft and S-300PMU2 air defense systems may also move.

    According to Kommersant sources, the main reason for the delays was the financial difficulties of the Syrian side. In particular, for MiG, Syria paid only 30 percent of their value (in three tranches of 10 percent), after which payments were stopped.

    As for the only ally in the Middle East, this is a traditional political mistake by Rossi to put all his eggs in one basket. I had a chance to meet with Russian diplomats in the Middle East - the guys are very formalized, as a rule, concentrate on one or two areas, and only develop them.
    1. Black
      Black 31 August 2013 13: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Pimply
      As for the only ally in the Middle East, this is a traditional political mistake by Rossi to put all his eggs in one basket.

      I understand that by the second basket you mean Israel?
      Ha ha! Does this basket have a bottom?
      "... aggressive, beast. Pure Pharaoh!
      Well, where aggression, there is no reason for us! "
      Israel then tossed their eggs for different coughcaps? Or how? Your incubator along the way will soon be hammering with axes in your neighbor ... it’s far away, but you grab it !!! However, the incubator is * er!

      On the issue of the article. I would like Obama to withstand the pressure, but the question is: will there be enough strength, not enough, then will our outdated missile defense systems last long one-on-one with a salvo of 50-100 missiles?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 1 September 2013 16: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Chen
        I understand that by the second basket you mean Israel?

        Who said there should be two baskets? Who said that it should be Israel, or, in principle, a state? Do not transfer your complexes to others
    2. Che
      Che 31 August 2013 13: 36 New
      +2
      Pimpled.
      R. bbi was walking through the town square when a man suddenly fell on him from the balcony. Since the man's fall was interrupted by the rabby, nothing happened to him, but the poor rabby had a broken neck. Since Rabby was a respected wise man who always learned himself and taught others through his own life experiences, his followers asked, "Rabby, what lesson is your neck broken?" Rabby answered; "Well, they usually say - what you sow is what you reap. Look what happened to me. A man is shooting from the balcony, and I break my neck. Someone sows, and someone reaps." hi

      Do not sow evil against your neighbors. You live with them.
    3. smile
      smile 31 August 2013 15: 41 New
      +4
      Pimply
      So who else should we focus on there? To the Saudis, Qatar, Turkey, who supported and now support, although less than before, destructive forces in our Caucasus? Apart from Syria and Iran, there is nobody ... and Egypt is very unreliable ...
    4. Basil123
      Basil123 31 August 2013 19: 36 New
      0
      do you have at least one friend
  17. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 31 August 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    "Caliber", according to one of the military, works up to 2500 km by land - from the south of the Caspian in a straight line and to Cyprus and to Hormuz it gets perfectly. (this is as an option "what will Syria fight").
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 15: 18 New
      +1
      There is no reconnaissance and targeting system for Caliber at such distances. It was supposed to use the Legend space system. But it does not have a full number of satellites and has not been put into service.
    2. Samminosh
      Samminosh 1 September 2013 00: 13 New
      0
      Firstly, it is not a high-speed missile, and secondly, the export of missile systems with a range of over 300 km is prohibited by international treaties.
  18. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 31 August 2013 13: 44 New
    0
    In the light of all that is happening, it remains only to bitterly regret the indecision of the Russian government. And how great it would be if Syria had from the heels of S-300 divisions plus "Pantsir" and "Buki", but trained personnel for them and our advisers and our special forces would not hurt to practice in hunting demons. In short, again, continuous missed opportunities for the sake of something incomprehensible.
    1. Samminosh
      Samminosh 1 September 2013 00: 14 New
      +2
      The S-300 itself is not a turning point, but if Assad gets them and blows them off by the US Air Force, then demand will undercut it.
    2. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 2 September 2013 07: 35 New
      0
      And you look who is in our government and stop being surprised. If they are trying to sabotage the orders of the GDP, then what kind of decisiveness they can talk about! Yes, one "redhead" is worth it, and there are enough like-minded people there too! So they put a spoke in the wheel, but I think these sticks GDP will soon insert them into one place!
      1. Egen
        Egen 2 September 2013 09: 50 New
        0
        Quote: kartalovkolya
        So they put the sticks in the wheels, but I think these sticks GDP will soon put them in one place!

        Somehow I can’t believe that VV P cannot force the people to work in the 1 direction, and they seem to not let him recruit the team he wants. And what, to insert, has been waiting for 13 years? And how much longer to wait? :(
  19. left-wing
    left-wing 31 August 2013 13: 53 New
    +1
    Until they bomb, calm down
  20. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 31 August 2013 14: 58 New
    +3
    We provide sufficient support to Syria. the main thing, in my opinion, is to urgently saturate all of Russia with advanced weapons.
  21. GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 31 August 2013 15: 43 New
    0
    Once again I say that in order to attack Syria, Obama needs the approval of the congress, and he most likely will not get it, because now the congress does not want to drag the country into another bloody and useless war. They are barely pulling troops out of Afghanistan, so now start they don’t want another war, it’s too bad their reputation.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 31 August 2013 15: 49 New
      0
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      Once again I say that in order to attack Syria Obama needs congressional approval

      Not a fact! They will come up with a new term to replace the word "war" (for example - "humanitarian bombing") and the whole business. Libya was bombed without the approval of Congress ...
  22. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 31 August 2013 16: 59 New
    +3
    Perhaps all that is happening around Syria is the Great Bluff, a game of nerves. GDP is demonstratively silent and is engaged in internal affairs; it has replaced the envoy in the Far East. I do not believe in the ground operation of the United States and the Allies, the maximum missile and bomb attacks.
  23. sichevik
    sichevik 31 August 2013 17: 07 New
    0


    May God grant Assad and his army strength, courage, skill, skill and good luck in the upcoming clashes with enemies.
    I really want them to stand and win. If they withstand the onslaught, then this will already be a huge victory.
    Let Syria become the second Vietnam for the state niger.
  24. Maks-80
    Maks-80 31 August 2013 18: 46 New
    +2
    Slowly rockets fly away

  25. aspirin02
    aspirin02 31 August 2013 18: 57 New
    +1
    Russian-Ukrainian volunteer corps for the war in Syria !!!!
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 September 2013 23: 40 New
      0
      Empty conversations of elderly people who did not find themselves in civilian life. Usually such gatherings of veterans end with a morning headache, a strong hangover. Intelligence veterans do not drum about their plans like market gossips, but quietly do their conceived business.
  26. Double major
    Double major 31 August 2013 19: 46 New
    +3
    The fortress is strong not with its walls, but with its defenders. SAA has a high fighting spirit, and readiness to fight for the Motherland to the last. Neither the Iraqi walk, nor the Libyan version of the United States shines there. I hope that Al-Assad's words about "many more surprises" are not an empty phrase. The Armor that appeared in Syria, imprisoned on the Tomahawks, is a good sign. In any case, good luck in battle, Syrian friends! Let us recall the wars that Russia has been waging for centuries. How much did we consider the odds and layouts in the balance of forces and weapons? And they won.
    1. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 2 September 2013 23: 48 New
      0
      There were a lot of things foreshadowed before the Iraq breakdown. Colonel General Moiseev, former Collegiate General of the USSR Supreme Armed Forces, was especially ranting. There were a lot of empty statements about the Libyan army’s resilience, as practiced by Pantsiri.
  27. studentmati
    studentmati 31 August 2013 22: 44 New
    +2
    ... that a strike can happen as soon as UN inspectors leave the country on August 31 ...

    I remembered September 1, 1939 ...
  28. Tolik.Skiff.
    Tolik.Skiff. 31 August 2013 23: 07 New
    -3
    It is better for Syria not to wait for an attack by American monsters, but to take the initiative and launch a preemptive strike (by Yakhont) on their fleet. They obviously do not expect such a situation (by forcing them to peace) ..! wassat
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 31 August 2013 23: 10 New
      +4
      Quote: Tolik.Skiff.
      It is better for Syria not to wait for an attack by American monsters, but to take the initiative and launch a preemptive strike (by Yakhont) on their fleet. They obviously do not expect such a situation (by forcing them to peace) ..! wassat

      Then the Yankees will have a great opportunity to roll out all of Syria.
      Why give them such a trump card in their hands.
      1. alone
        alone 31 August 2013 23: 56 New
        +3
        right. if Assad starts first, Syria will become a desert
    2. alone
      alone 31 August 2013 23: 55 New
      +3
      try to get from the yacht to the destroyer, which is located at a distance of 500 km from the Syrian coast.
  29. morprepud
    morprepud 1 September 2013 00: 21 New
    0
    Something every day, Obama's face (on my telly) is becoming more and more like a monkey. Damn ... Maybe the TV is distorting? Damn ... Or did he go to Africa’s relatives?
  30. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 1 September 2013 00: 40 New
    0
    as permission to attack, Obama will wait for Congress to decide after the holidays.
    reports RT channel And their holidays end on September 9th. Well, let's wait. Apparently, despite all their warlike rhetoric, the Yankees are frankly bz. And the longer they pull, the less chance they have of success
  31. Mizhgan
    Mizhgan 1 September 2013 03: 22 New
    0
    No matter how "crap..o" sounds, but checking all Russia's armament, even half (or so) trimmed performance characteristics in the export version, but there will be an excellent springboard for Russian engineers ... Although this, I will take it as a disadvantage, but it is a fact. How the Syrians will be able to repel the strike, what is the effect against a potential enemy - alas, the data will go not only to Russia, but also, for example, the United States.
    It is a pity that this is not "aviation darts" and "not tank biathlon", but much more serious.
  32. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 1 September 2013 09: 52 New
    0
    The military-technical cooperation of Russia and Syria began in the 1956 year. During the period of cooperation, about 65 tactical and operational-tactical missile systems were delivered to the Syrian Armed Forces, about 5 thousand tanks, more than 1,2 thousand combat aircraft, 4,2 thousand artillery guns and mortars, 70 combat ships and boats, other types of weapons .

    People are fighting, not weapons. The results of the database will depend on the strength and training of the Syrian army.
    In battles with American mercenaries and other terrorists, the results of the Syrian troops are not brilliant.
    It would be nice to give them flowers to meet "NATO friends" and American corpse eaters, tulips, cornflowers, hyacinths, acacias, carnations.
  33. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 1 September 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    It always seemed to me that in a fight, 50% of success depends on who first starts it. With OM in service, it would be weak for Assad to lay landmines in the capitals of the alleged enemies? Yes, of course, it can be difficult to cross the border, but why didn’t Gaddafi buy a dynamite factory somewhere in Sweden at the time for this? It turns out that these guys are either naive, which is unlikely, or for them there is a concept of honor that does not give them the right to fight the civilian population of the enemy.
  34. raptor1975
    raptor1975 1 September 2013 13: 37 New
    +4
    Over the past 40 years, the United States and NATO have gained vast experience in combating air defense systems built on the basis of the obsolete Soviet systems S-75, S-125, S-200 and Kvadrat. Such an air defense system was successfully suppressed by Israel in Lebanon, as well as by the US and its allies in Iraq and Yugoslavia. As a result, it can be considered today practically useless against the modern armed forces of NATO and quickly suppressed. And it was precisely on them that the first strike was delivered by Tomahawk cruise missiles from the ships of the 6th fleet in Libya. Some long-standing Soviet air defense systems S-200VE caused some concern for the Americans in Libya. To avoid the defeat of anti-aircraft artillery and man-portable air defense systems, coalition planes operated there from medium heights, at which it is impossible to get them. This tactic was well tested by the Americans in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Yemen. In addition, consider their undeniable superiority in the field of electronic warfare.
    1. alone
      alone 1 September 2013 14: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: raptor1975
      . In addition, consider their undeniable superiority in the field of electronic warfare.


      This is an indisputable fact.
      1. raptor1975
        raptor1975 2 September 2013 11: 15 New
        +1
        By the way: not a single French aircraft was shot down by Libyan air defense systems during the attacks of the French Air Force in this country (namely, the French Air Force delivered the main attacks in Libya), as for the downed F-117 Stels in Yugoslavia, this is a drop in the bucket compared to the fact that they destroyed the NATO Air Force and say again: they are practically useless, and not completely useless - I hope you understand the difference?
    2. konvalval
      konvalval 1 September 2013 22: 32 New
      -1
      It depends on who was sitting in the cabins. And in Yugoslavia, by the way, the vaunted American stealth was shot down by these "useless" complexes.
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  36. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 1 September 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    We will find out how and what Syria will fight in due time in the event of an attack, but the states will not get away with it just like that. And one more thing I would like to add: I am confused by the strategic abilities of our commentators and major military analysts, I would like to know the opinions and comments of former or current And then, as in Shota Rustaveli: "Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing the battle from the side!"
  37. Aljavad
    Aljavad 1 September 2013 23: 07 New
    +1
    With the article "+" for raising a topical topic. But it is poorly revealed. There is also a specialized circle of readers, and the story is at the level of civil journalists, what is being written today about Syria, tomorrow about the flood, and yesterday about fashion shows and parties.
    War is not drafts, and not even football. A mechanical enumeration of everything that shoots does not mean anything. Air defense is a system where radars, electronic warfare systems, communications, and, most importantly, their interaction, preparedness and the morale of calculations play the most important role, and I repeat - the system. And it will be possible to speak about it only retroactively. The Serbs had an air defense system, were preparing to fight back, but their equipment lagged behind the aggressor for a generation and their rare, albeit striking successes - evidence that the system did exist. As is the case in Syria - God forbid that the quantity should be supplemented by quality: mastering the technique, coaching calculations, their coherence and willingness to fight.
  38. Hug
    Hug 2 September 2013 03: 31 New
    0
    Quote: German
    To an honest Jew: don’t overshadow Einstein’s words (he is also a Jew, by the way), and if you think in this aspect, you can drive Israel into the Stone Age ... Israel exists only because Arabs do not agree among themselves. if the Arabs manage to come to an agreement ... Well, I don’t envy the state of Israel and its citizens at all!


    Well, they won't do it, even "And if the Arabs manage to come to an agreement." - there have already been precedents .... - Remind me of how it ended and why Sinai and the Golan ended up in Israel?
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 3 September 2013 17: 05 New
      0
      ... and the west bank of the Jordan River .;)))
      Contrary to Soviet jokes about Moysh at war, staunch and courageous soldiers and competent initiative officers gathered in Israel, and the brave warriors of deserts and oases didn’t do their best: if they fought bravely, the operation was not worked out, if the operation was worked out, the fighters ran away, if the headquarters and troops worked correctly - the allies (Arabs) changed their plans (or did not understand each other).
      Israel is, of course, Zionists and aggressors, but their army is a cut above all that is in the Islamic world. And the states supply them in the 1st category, and their Arab customers - in the 2nd.
  39. Egen
    Egen 2 September 2013 05: 42 New
    0
    The discussion about the article is interesting, but instead of the question "What will Syria fight in the event of possible external aggression?" , it is better to ask a more interesting one - "Who will fight on the side of Syria?"
  40. raptor1975
    raptor1975 2 September 2013 11: 13 New
    0
    Quote: konvalval
    It depends on who was sitting in the cabins. And in Yugoslavia, by the way, the vaunted American stealth was shot down by these "useless" complexes.
  41. albanech
    albanech 2 September 2013 15: 24 New
    0
    Again, idle chatter about Syria! Who! What? How? Than? It's funny! I repeat once again that everything has been decided with Syria - it's a matter of time! Oil is getting more expensive and this situation is beneficial for the USA! There will be no attack - they will simply weaken the country and "throw" it to be "devoured" by the powerful of this world! Once again, the United States will take this country under its control and will impose a "constitutional order - derm * kratic" there, and we will all write that we knew so, we will blame everyone, but not ourselves! It's time for Russia to show its strength, like the USSR did in its time! Stop listening to the voice of "Free America" ​​- you need to show who is the boss!
  42. voliador
    voliador 2 September 2013 20: 52 New
    0
    I wonder what kind of electronic warfare weapons are in service with Syria?