Hope for a miracle - and Russia

Hama In memory of Governor Anas Abder-Razzak Naim

The Syrian city of Hama is rooted in the deepest antiquity. On the hill around which it is located, life existed as far back as the 5 millennium BC. In the old days, the city was called Hamataya. It is known to modern tourists as the city of norias - huge water wheels that moved the river Oront. With the help of special small bowls, as the wheel rotated, water rose from the river, then merged into a diversion chute, from where it flowed into aqueducts. Now, despite the fact that there is a modern water supply system, the wheels are still spinning. The largest of these, Muhammadia, with a diameter of 21 m, was built in the 14 century. It supplied water to the Great Mosque.

Before Syria was overwhelmed by a bloody wave of terrorism - many tourists flocked to Hama to look at the spinning wheels, the ancient palace of Qasr al-Azem, the Grand Mosque ...

Now there are practically no tourists - the arrival of foreigners is perceived as exotic. Local boys surround visitors and want to take pictures with them. “Rusia, Rusia,” they shout cheerfully.
Children bathe in the Orontes River and jump from the base of a huge water wheel. The city lives its normal life. In the summer of 2011, gangs tried to turn it into their enclave. They worked unprecedented cruelty. In particular, they managed to seize the building of the police department. 20 police officers were brutally murdered. Their mutilated bodies were dumped from a bridge into a rivulet. At the same time, the terrorists themselves posted on the network a video clip on which they lodge over a supporter of the legitimate government, after which they hang it.
But such atrocities were taken by the “international community” for granted. The ambassadors of the USA and France came to the city of Hama, expressed support for the evil terrorists, and spoke of Hama as a "bulwark of democracy." Legitimate government introduced into the city Tanks, regained control. Oh, how then the world media broadcast that the “regime” was destroying Hama!
In fact, there is no destruction in the city. Due to decisive and quick actions of the country's leadership, the hotbed of terrorism was eliminated with minimal losses. Oh, how then the USA, France and other Western countries were disappointed that they did not succeed in turning the city into a center of terrorism! They hurried to break off diplomatic relations with Syria.

And now the city is alive, and its neat white stone houses quietly bask in the sun. This picture is very different from what happened in many other cities in Syria, where the terrorists managed to gain a foothold at least for a few months! There are dark ruins, watered with the blood of civilians executed by the "opposition", whose only fault was that they supported the law and did not want the power of terrorists!
The city of Hama was saved from this fate, including the efforts of Governor Anas Abder-Razak Naim, who was killed by 25 August terrorists. He was appointed to this position immediately after the hotbed of terrorism was eliminated. I happened to meet him in person.
This was in November 2011 of the year. Our delegation visited Hama. Then, due to lack of time, we could not see the sights of the city, but we were hospitably received by the governor in the beautiful city hall. He shook everyone's hand, answered the delegates' questions. I remembered him as a pleasant and affable person, although very tired - in the city and in the country even then there were a lot of problems ...

During this time, leaders of many provinces were replaced. But the governor of Hama remained in his post - this suggests that he brilliantly carried out his duties.
The murder occurred in the area of ​​Jaraim, on a quiet street, not far from the Old Town. Terrorists left a mined car on the sidewalk. Probably the explosive device had a remote control. It was stuffed with striking elements, such as metal balls or nails - a pillar standing next to the explosion site was riddled with them. Moreover, the blow was very precisely directed.

The governor of the province of Hama was born in 1962 year. He was a doctor by profession. It is not by chance that now, in these difficult times, many doctors are among the leaders of Syria, including President Bashar Al-Assad himself. Apparently, this is a sign that the world needs healing, and Syria should play a huge role in this ...
Locals say that the governor was very attentive to ordinary people. He took them as a true doctor takes his patients. I listened, helped ...
Supporters of the Syrian "opposition" say that, they say, the Alawis have power in the country, who allegedly oppress the Sunni majority. Nothing like this! In particular, this proves the example of Anas Abder-Razzak Naim, who was from a very respected Sunni family. Among his relatives were two very respected Sunni religious figures, and therefore many residents did not think that the bandits would kill him. But they kill everyone - Sunnis, Alawites, and Christians. And especially - people of business, strong business executives, good specialists, in order to exsanguinate the country, to deprive it of the best national personnel.
There is an opinion that people who are in power are in a certain privileged position, they are far from the people. But not so was the deceased. There are situations when a chair turns into a cross ... And a very heavy cross, the carrying of which ends tragically ...
The funeral of the governor, who honestly performed his duty to the Motherland, turned into a demonstration. Minister of National Reconciliation Ali Haydar arrived, who, on behalf of the President of the country, expressed deep condolences to the relatives of the fallen and residents of the city of Ham.
And the city continues to live its life, and the huge water wheels still squeak as they did hundreds of years ago. The melancholy sounds they make are so sharply contrasted with the harsh, deadly roar of explosions ...

Until the trigger is not released

All this week, threats of foreign invasion are being heard against Syria. Louder than all, as in the situation with Libya, France screams. As for Britain, its parliament voted against the intervention.
The blows were expected already these days. Residents do not panic. Here they are accustomed to blood and death - the terrorists killed so many people that there was not a single family left that did not lose a relative. The blows of the United States and NATO, of course, will kill much more, but the weak have long gone. The rest are ready for anything.
The so-called "opposition leader" Ahmad Zharba called on the United States and Western countries to strike at Syria. He does not mind that so much of everything beautiful will burn in the fire of devilish aggression! It’s not a pity that a country that has already been turned into a “hot spot” by terrorists can turn into a complete bloody hell. He hopes to gain power over the ashes.
France made a statement that the strike is preparing 4 September. Earlier it was said that it will be applied 29 August. But the night on which the bombing was expected was calm.
At this time, the Russian ships are pulling up to the Syrian coast, and the inhabitants of the country once again enthusiastically say, "Thank you, Russia." The country is engulfed in vague hopes that the punishing hand will stop at the last moment. If not, there will be resistance. Even to cope with Libya, which is much worse armed and had a relatively small army, NATO took almost a year ...
Yes, in the case of aggression victims will be many. But Syria will survive and win. While the trigger has not yet been released. There is still a little time to stop the madness. To save lives and a centuries-old civilization is the cradle of humanity. Hope for a miracle - and Russia ...

Comments

[svp67]

Nothing changes in the world - "... you can only BELIEVE in Russia ..."

[Veles25]

Russian Air Force and NORAD command joint air defense exercises

[saveall]

And what does the military entot say? I suppose he praises ...

[Veles25]

business as usual

[strannik595]

business as usual

Moscow, August 31.
Russia has delayed the supply of arms to Syria, the first MiG-29M / M2 fighters will not be able to enter the Arab country in 2013, as planned, but only in 2016, Kommersant writes.
According to the publication, the main reason for the change in the delivery time was the "accumulated financial difficulties" faced by the Syrian authorities.
Under a contract concluded in 2007, the Russian Federation is to supply 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters to Syria. Deliveries have already been delayed due to France's refusal to transfer navigation system technology for cars. Later, a military conflict in the country caused a pause.

At the same time, the publication’s sources state that the situation with the supply of S-300PMU2 air defense systems to Syria is still in limbo.

The 2010 agreement provided for the delivery of six anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) by the second quarter of 2014. But its implementation did not begin, according to a source close to the Russian system of military-technical cooperation, because of the freezing of the contract caused by Moscow’s unwillingness to aggravate relations with the US and Israel ......... bewilderment

[Iraclius]

It can be said for an arbitrarily long time that our Moscow will not abandon Syria, that settlement work is underway, that Russia's influence in international politics is growing. And so on and so forth ... But when it comes to disrupting the supply of arms to countries that are a potential target of US strikes, somehow it all starts to look unconvincing, faded and cheap. Please explain if I'm wrong.

[smile]

Iraclius
To be honest, it just looks d..move .... I personally bukhtil and put minus signs on the one who stated that we would not put air defense systems in Syria ... I, of course, are a stubborn guy, and I hope that for all of this there is an explanation justifying us .... but ....

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Iraclius

It can be said for an arbitrarily long time that our Moscow will not abandon Syria, that settlement work is underway, that Russia's influence in international politics is growing. And so on and so forth ... But when it comes to disrupting the supply of arms to countries that are a potential target of US strikes, somehow it all starts to look unconvincing, faded and cheap. Please explain if I'm wrong.

Such actions of our government look illogical against the backdrop of the critical situation in Syria. The media say that one of the reasons for not delivering arms to Syria, in addition to financial and others, is the blockade of NATO delivery routes. How to understand it?

[Anat1974]

Question: what exactly are the actions of our government looking illogical? Is it necessary to take from 300 to 6 months to study C 12 calculations, and this when training in Russia? And Syria does not have this opportunity. The fact that the orders are not paid and it is not clear when the payment will be made, because Syria also does not have this possibility (but I think this is not critical). Why now the Syrian Air Force Yak 130? Explain? They practically do not use aviation.
What kind of cries? There would be expediency, there would be supplies. Or do you think that this initiative is not agreed with the Syrian side?
Russia helps Syria by other methods, and it works. If not for the Russian government, then a country like Syria would not exist long ago, at least as a single independent state. Not a single country (including Iran) has taken 1/10 of the measures that Russia has taken. Therefore, there is no need for mourning marches, no need to snarl over lost Russia. Because these snot are advantageous to our probable friends and they also produce stuffing of these snot. And about the blockade of delivery routes, let CNN, BBC, etc.
Do not repeat nonsense.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Anat1974

Therefore, there is no need for mourning marches, no need to snarl over lost Russia.
Do not repeat nonsense.

I would take your comment normally, and commented in response, if you were not rude - watch the language buddy, "snot", "yell" and "rave" while we have you. Learn to respect the opinions of others - otherwise, the dialogue will not work, and not only with me.

Still I will answer:
- about the S-300 and training, etc. - The contract for the supply of S-300 was signed in 2011 - there was more than enough time.

- regarding payment - the majority of arms deliveries in Syria go to borrowed funds from Russia.

- the same contracts were signed for aircraft for a long time and should be in Syria for a long time, statements that Syria does not need combat aircraft - this is just nonsense, with the same success it can be argued that Syria does not need any weapons at all - that's all bombed equally - can surrender right away?

- about expediency - there is expediency in any weapon - is a war coming or are you not aware? Do not you think that the question of expediency in this situation is inappropriate and looks like a far-fetched reason for the failure to fulfill previously concluded contracts?

- Regarding the coordination with the Syrian side, are you sure about this? I don’t think it’s more likely your personal fabrications not confirmed by any evidence.

- I’ll correct you about the help - Russia helped Syria with arms supplies on the diplomatic front and, of course, Syria would have been difficult without Russia, but there is one thing - this help is clearly insufficient, as in arms deliveries (which are now suspended according to statements by our authorities and this is not my invention), and in diplomacy - our Foreign Ministry is clearly not coping and not active enough - Lavrov’s bleating alone is worth it, okay, Putin spoke and straightened out the situation a bit!

- regarding other countries, how do you know about the volumes of their assistance? Iranians have long been fighting on Assad’s side for a long time, just like Lebanese Hezbollah.

- regarding the blockade, here is the statement of our official: "Western countries, arming the Syrian opposition, are trying in any way to block the supply of Russian military equipment and weapons to the legitimate government in Damascus." Such a blockade exists, "said the head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC Russia) Alexander Fomin.
"Our sea and air transport is arrested, lured into ports under various pretexts, blocked, and when ships are at sea, insurance is canceled, that is, any attempt to deliver the contracted cargo is blocked," he said, speaking on Friday on the Ekho Moskvy radio station. ". Fomin called it "a real undeclared war." Read the full site: http: //newsland.com/news/detail/id/1135120/ - so this is not nonsense.

[Mervik]

to Ruslan_F38
offended as a child and reasoning like a child !!! take offense!
Now think, how can someone block the warships in Tartus ??? It's okay, believe me. And our instructors there are working with the SAR army and we supply any weapons. Where do you think the two tamogavts recently launched in the Mediterranean have gone? From the Russian "ragatka-300" shot (and 1 pc. F22). Syria is already our state. safety.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Anat1974

Why now the Syrian Air Force Yak 130? Explain? They practically do not use aviation.

http://newsland.com/news/detail/id/875928/
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[-Max-]

Or maybe the Kremlin decided that our S-300 Americans did not get to wait
development of events.
By the way, today they began to hint about the supply of S-300 to Iran.

[the polar]

Quote: Iraclius

But when it comes to disrupting the supply of weapons to countries that are a potential target of US strikes, somehow it all starts to look unconvincing, faded and cheap. Please explain if I'm wrong.

Modern air defense systems serve highly professional cadres of military specialists who are not in Syria, and also require layered anti-sabotage defense and protection of the air defense systems themselves, which the Syrian army is not able to provide.
Now, hypothetically, imagine that Russia is sending complexes to Syria along with combat crews and technical specialists: one of the tasks of the US "Syrian campaign" is precisely to draw Russia into this campaign. As soon as air defense complexes with Russian combat crews appear, a targeted missile and aviation bombardment of the deployment sites will begin, sabotage groups will be abandoned to destroy equipment and crews. In war, as in war, losses of manpower, as well as technology, are inevitable. Ultimately, both calculations and equipment will be destroyed. There is no doubt about it.
Today's Russia is militarily and economically incapable of compensating for these losses and getting involved in the conflict by introducing a sufficient military and technical contingent. This means that her now small international authority will generally fall below the stool. In addition, as soon as the "cargo 200" goes to Russia from Syria, the "fifth column" will immediately appear on the scene with rallies and protests. And we can confidently assume that all forces will be used for internal political destabilization. I am not a supporter of Putin's comprador regime, but I am against such a scenario of a change of power, since then the neoliberals of the 90s will break through to power, and Russia will finally be allowed to flow and plunder. And this is actually one of the goals of the "Syrian campaign for democratization"

[Egen]

Quote: Polar

Now hypothetically imagine that Russia is sending complexes to Syria along with combat crews and technicians:

That's it, why not, that Spain is forgotten. You can also teach a button to press a monkey. The Syrians did work on our older technology, not so dark. The main thing is the fact of delivery and putting on combat duty. And how much people can bullet is, let American generals risk on their pilots finding out. At least someone, doubt it, is the result.
Otherwise, you may be right. But if you take a defensively - defeatist position - it will turn out even worse.

[andruha70]

Please explain if I'm wrong.

welcome and what is there to clarify ... they should attack the country from day to day. and now 29 will fly there ... and when to train pilots? the pepelats will smash it to hell, and say: Russian weapons are a bluff ... and Volodya need it? but the trick is not in this, but in the fact that both oglia and Nata refuse to fight in Syria (something Volodya meaningly kept silent ... ) but he doesn’t want to supply weapons, that is, he knows that there will still be an attack (well, he doesn’t want Russian weapons to be lowered), by the way, and Obama, judging by the news, asshole is tearing, Assad is to blame for the chemical attack Although the commission says, it takes 2 weeks to analyze conclusion: Volodya Merikosam cooked some kind of pig ... we will look ...

[dark_65]

Reading a comment, I can’t get rid of the unreality of what is happening, is it my (Russian language)? Naglia, Nata, Volodya .... is that? Reluctance to trouble yourself with a minimal set of writing rules (hence disrespect for your language).
I sympathize with the author in some positions regarding events, but let's love ourselves and the language, without him we are not Russian.

[Geisenberg]

Quote: Iraclius

It can be said for an arbitrarily long time that our Moscow will not abandon Syria, that settlement work is underway, that Russia's influence in international politics is growing. And so on and so forth ... But when it comes to disrupting the supply of arms to countries that are a potential target of US strikes, somehow it all starts to look unconvincing, faded and cheap. Please explain if I'm wrong.

Partly right. All our work looks faded. Here you just need to create a background. The Americans have been training their satellites for more than half a century and have created the same background for everything they want, while ours are just being applied. The world financial system is tied to amers. It is worth remembering here the internal traitors such as the hunchbacked bear, the guydar and others. So it turns out - there is not much weight in world politics (background), inside the country there is sabotage by agents of influence. There is no economic independence as such - the rules are imposed on us. So it turns out that Moscow is afraid to spoil relations with Washington.

[aleksandroff]

What we don’t know is what the government knows. And how much we will not argue here, everything will be wrong. And hat-making is not good. Many, whom the States merge, were friendly with them themselves and they did not need Russia. Orem is a lot for Libya. But Libya itself flirted with the States and everyone else. Well, what could we do, send our guys? I do not think that you would say well about Putin when the coffins of our soldiers would come. Therefore, whatever Russia does, everything will be bad. After all, many say that Putin is bad. But he knows what we do not know. So you have to wait. And I personally am against us starting a war.

[VseDoFeNi]

I explain.
You need to learn from successful successes, not from your mistakes. Since the main language on the planet is English, and the main money is Anglo-Saxon, USA-UK, they can be considered geopolitically successful. And learn from them, including the geopolitics they invented.
“How hard it is to live when no one is at war with Russia.





Therefore, I argue that it is shortsighted to consider a country as an unchanging ally or eternal enemy of England. We have no permanent allies, we have no eternal enemies. Only our interests are unchanging and eternal, and our duty is to follow them. - Speech in the House of Commons March 1, 1848


Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.

Another translation option:
We have neither eternal allies, nor constant enemies, but our interests are constant and eternal, and it is our duty to protect them. - V.N. Vinogradov, “Lord Palmerston in European Diplomacy”, Modern and Contemporary History No. 5 2006

Variations on the theme of this quote are also popular, for example:
England has neither permanent allies, nor permanent enemies. England has only permanent interests.
"

This does not mean that we should throw everyone like the Anglo-Saxons or destroy the population of other countries like them. But Russia's interests must be above all!

[Mervik]

American - the same nation as the dollar - the currency

[Lomicus]

Now the fighters there are very, very necessary. It’s not enough to send them there, because you need to prepare the infrastructure for them and teach people.
In my opinion at the moment, they won’t do the weather there, but a couple of radars and air defense systems (S-300, Shell, etc.) are very necessary, so they are bought with scarce money, the country is ruined. As Bashar Al-Assad himself said, Russia is fulfilling the terms of the contracts.

[Troitsky]

Strange, Assad seems to have said that we fulfill all obligations under arms sales agreements. Isn't it a duck?

[Mervik]

right. He said it as it is. And for those who sow "democracy" and "truth" the corresponding is provided.

[Magul8]

This news angered me. Of course, I do not know what the rulers of Russia are washing. It is regrettable if the money issue has become so important for Russia. Especially voicing these problems at this point. In my opinion, they could have waited with statements about "pauses and suspensions". In the end, Russia has forgiven Syria about 12-13 billion dollars for forgiving another couple of billions. After all, we are beating in the chest that Syria is our last frontier.
And if this is true, then there is a proposal.
In the past difficult years of our country - the Second World War, there was such a popular initiative, the people donated their savings for the defense of the country. With this money-savings, military equipment was purchased abroad, or built at our factories. Now the time has come - HOMELAND CALLING, if the rulers suddenly today began to count money, can the whole world create a fund to help Syria. With these funds, order the military-industrial complex of Russia necessary for Syria aircraft and air defense systems.

[Ka-52]

People, do not drive Purgu. Read the comments above!
What are you like small. Russia is not obliged to send calculations of S-300 and other specialists to Syria before the bombing. Will you explain to their mothers why ... why they died? They are doing everything right. Syrians should be trained in Russia. Why do you think NATO instructors train terrorists in Qatar, and not in Syria itself ?! If you guessed it, then you understood the rest!
All that Russia can do for Syria! Zaparila their last line! WE ARE NOT THE USSR! Here everything must be weighed and not in a hurry. Seven times measure cut once! And not ololo Rush in the center! So only deer do it! Slowly, the Navy ships will be pulled up, they will create Diplomatic pressure on all fronts so that the minds and thoughts of the West are opposed to the war and then quietly push the NATO ships out. The Americans themselves are not happy that they got involved in all this. But they just can’t leave, face loss. Take Abamka, it’s spinning like a frying pan, it’ll say so, then that way .. Time in any case works for us.

[Magul8]

I have minus you not because you are wrong, all of you reason correctly. It is dangerous to lose C300 in case of unforeseen situations, and specialists need to be trained, and that we create a caring "background".
But the minus is that after a fight they don’t wave their hands.
In my opinion, the contract for the C300 was signed back in 2007. Crews teach not after sending the equipment, but only when the "stone" is laid. And this "background" is more convincing when you have fulfilled the first two points - you did it, you taught it.
Thank God that time still works for us, but with your similar reasoning, this time we’ll sleep too

[Alex-z84]

Yes, we are not the USSR, but we will strive and work to become one, and we will not abandon our ally!

[Egen]

Quote: Ka-52

Russia is not obliged to send calculations of С-300 and other specialists to Syria before the bombing

Will there be no volunteers? True, not by order?

Quote: Ka-52

Zaparila their last line!

Do you think the last one is he hde? :)

Quote: Ka-52

Slowly, the Navy ships will be pulled up, they will create Diplomatic pressure on all fronts so that the minds and thoughts of the West are opposed to the war and then NATO ships are calmly pushed back

The key word is "on the sly" :) For some reason you do not take into account the actions of the enemy, they will sit and wait for you to say: guys, we have locked up the ship, wait a minute, we will rebuild your minds, then your step according to the schedule :)

[31231]

Why did the First World War begin ?!
So, wait, sir. And there it will be seen. The analog of Vietnam through Iran has not been canceled.

[Stalinets]

FIFTH COLUMN !!!!! The Duma is a synagogue. Draw your own conclusions ...

[Egor.nic]

Is it worth believing the corrupt publications ???
Why did you decide that any deliveries of VT and B should be openly covered for you ???
Information about what, how much and for whom is supplied and under what conditions should not be in the public domain, and even more so in the corrupt press.
There are political, strategic and other motivations that are not related to relations with Israel and the United States.
Think for yourself ....
Everything that is needed and where it is needed is delivered and will be delivered. Only you do not need to know about it ....

[Mervik]

100%
You also think that two tamaghawks launched in the Mediterranean were shot down from the "Russian-ragatka-300" from the ATS, which were "not" supplied to them. This was the end of the American offensive.

[-Max-]

You will tell the tribunal then.

[Veles25]

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[Docklishin]

Nice to go.

[kush62]

Partners (enemies) need to know closer. This is recognized in joint exercises.

[w.ebdo.g]

I am still proud that the people of another country say "Thank you Russia", and when I meet our journalists and learn that the Russians do not even check the permitting documents and salute them!
We know how to be friends, allies and in one trench, if you need to get along ...
Russia is rising.
I think so.

[Akhtuba73]

w.ebdo.g STAND UP, RUSSIA!
And behind the Fuji bear? Choi didn’t make out ... or Capitol Hill?

[31231]

Rather, Kamchatka landscape.

[Alex 241]

This is how it will be better, and also with the "bear"

[DISNT]

I agree to 10000000 percent

[Ruslan_F38]

An interesting article, a very beautiful city. Very sorry for the Governor, apparently a good man. In Syria, any bureaucrat is now a suicide bomber, and the higher the position, the greater the risk of death at the hands of terrorists. Thank you Elena Gromova and take care of yourself.
I’m wondering, what deer put a minus to the article? Well, this article is what did not suit you?

[dmit-xnumx]

"Every family has its black sheep"

[Egen]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

Thank you Elena Gromova and take care of yourself.

I join the author for the article - thanks, but here to her superiors - no. What x ..! This material is posted only here, and not in all the central Russian media, and even more so abroad ?! SUCH A KIND of materials should be purposefully posted everywhere! After all, this is an element of propaganda, which is part of the information war, how can nobody understand this ?! And if he understands why it is forbidden to print ?!

[M. Peter]

Putin called accusations against Assad "utter nonsense"
31.08.13/15/09 XNUMX:XNUMX Middle East


President Vladimir Putin called "utter nonsense" the accusations against the Syrian authorities that they used chemical weapons against the rebels. This was reported on August 31 by Interfax.

"In the conditions of the offensive of the Syrian army, to say that the Syrian government used chemical weapons is utter nonsense," he said during a visit to Vladivostok.

The Russian president called on the US authorities to provide UN inspectors with evidence that it was Bashar al-Assad's troops who used weapons of mass destruction. "Links that they have such evidence, but they are secret, and they cannot provide it to anyone, do not stand up to criticism. This is simply disrespect for their partners and participants in international activities," Putin said. His words are quoted by RIA Novosti.

Putin reminded Barack Obama that he is a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and urged him not to rush into the war in Syria. According to the head of Russia, the United States has more than once been the initiators of armed conflicts. "Has this solved at least one problem: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon? After all, there is neither calmness, nor democracy there, as our partners allegedly aspired to, there is no elementary civil peace and balance," - Interfax quotes Putin. He invited his American counterpart to discuss Syria at the G20 summit, which will be held in St. Petersburg on September 5 and 6, 2013.

At the same time, Putin praised Britain, whose authorities refused to participate in the military operation against the Assad regime. He admitted that the decision of the British Parliament came as a surprise to him. "All of us, including myself, in recent years we have become accustomed to the fact that in the Western community everything is accepted without much discussion," the president added.

The US authorities announced a possible military operation against the Syrian army after it became known on August 21 about the use of chemical weapons in Syria. Washington, as well as Paris and London, called Assad's troops guilty, while he blamed the rebels. The UN inspectors tried to figure this out, who should announce the results of their investigation in the coming days.

http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/31/putinobama/

[Egen]

Quote: M.Pyotr

Putin reminded Barack Obama that he is a Nobel Peace Prize laureate and urged him not to rush into the war in Syria. According to the head of Russia, the United States has more than once been the initiators of armed conflicts. "Has this solved at least one problem: Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon? After all, there is neither calmness, nor democracy there, as our partners allegedly aspired to, there is no elementary civil peace and balance," - Interfax quotes Putin. He invited his American counterpart to discuss Syria at the G20 summit, which will be held in St. Petersburg on September 5 and 6, 2013

As I see right now, Barak will hear a reminder of VV P that he is a laureate of a dynamite magnate prize, will cry, and immediately ask for forgiveness from Assad :)

The words are good, but at least someone will listen to them in the White House, let alone react? :( Now, if I added - "we are sending our battalion of guys who were in Yugoslavia to see what there is, and we will give them the S-500 for defense :)", such words would be noticed ...

[w.ebdo.g]

I apologize for not having a topic, but a very funny video)))))
smile!)))
The presenter is just a zhzhot)))))))))
Positive for the morning - 100%

[vladeinord]

Yes, damn it, let people live in peace, let them raise children and bring them up in a calm and peaceful country. Zadolbali, let people live !!!!

[dojjdik]

so far, everything is fine - less attention to the "chatter" and hype about a NATO strike and more attention to the destruction of pro-Israel gangs

[krpmlws]

Hmm, it’s sad that the Russian Federation will not take real steps to prevent a war. Then it will be too late.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it is sad that the Russian Federation will not take real steps to prevent war.

And what do you think the real steps should be?

[krpmlws]

Alexander Romanov, evaluating the intensity of the escalation of tension in the world and in Syria in particular, we can conclude that the Russian Federation does not do what it could do. How did the USSR resist the aggression of the West? The recipes are well known. The problem is that the Russian Federation should not follow them. By the way, I would like to receive an explanation of what the minus is set for.

[an_ursus]

It should be as it should. We do the maximum. Politics is an iceberg. We see the top, and below diplomacy. As you know, it’s not they who start the war. Now is not the time. We will not sprinkle ash on our heads. Vladimir Vladimirovich, keep it up ....

[Tatarus]

Quote: krpmlws

By the way, I would like to receive an explanation of what the minus is set for.

It seems to me that the minus sometimes doesn’t come from the opponent in the dispute. SILENTS DO NOT NAP.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Tatarus

It seems to me the minus sometimes doesn’t come from the opponent in the dispute

In this case, I put him, and there were always quiet people.

[andrejwz]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In this case, I put him, and there were always quiet people.

I did not agree with the first comment, but due to its lack of content, I just scrolled through. When, at the request of Alexander Romanov to specify what was said, krpmlws burst into a large, but even more meaningless comment (it would be better if I kept silent), I put a "minus". But he considered it a waste of time to enter into polemics. Should you act like a "quiet guy"? And when you, "Tatarus", are given "pluses", will you compare them with the number of subsequent comments about what you have said?

[Che]

Guys, don’t get stuck with + and -. We do not communicate here for this. Personally, I would like officials on our site to read our thoughts about our loved ones and about our Motherland, where they will live.

[alone]

bureaucrats are busy. they’re not up to sites. kuy iron is not moving away from the cash register)))

[max702]

They don’t live here, they EARN here! And they plan to spend and live in other places ... and relatives and friends are already there ..

[Mervik]

you still have a fight for "Like-i"))))))

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

In this case, I put him,

Harsh, but fair! Romanov they are!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: krpmlws

.By the way, I would like to receive an explanation of why the minus is set.

I answer for which I put a minus, one more! Here is for this empty idle talk, more like the idiot talk of an official before the election.

Quote: krpmlws

Assessing the intensity of the escalation of tension in the world and in Syria in particular, we can conclude that the Russian Federation does not do what it could do. How did the USSR resist the aggression of the West? The recipes are well known. The problem is that the Russian Federation should not

What are you talking about? What other recipes can you bring these famous recipes yourself.

[krpmlws]

Alexander, you didn’t like my style, well, the reason is probably good for you. In your opinion, the Russian Federation is doing everything possible and impossible and any position opposite to this is sedition and empty idle talk. Do you not like my arguments or position? Rather, the second, because your pro-Putin the position is well known. Does it make sense of a dialogue with an interlocated interlocutor? Therefore, I write further not addressing you. Methods of preventing war are as old as peace: concluding agreements with a party threatened by aggression and providing humanitarian and military-technical assistance cabbage soup; creating alliances with all countries interested in the world; providing direct armed assistance; exerting diplomatic pressure on the aggressor and imposing sanctions. By carrying out all these methods to the fullest extent and as necessary, not half as in the Russian Federation, it is possible to solve the problem of preventing war. Of course, the Russian Federation has all the necessary capabilities for this. Of course, in terms of its economic and military potential, the Russian Federation can not be compared with the USSR, but the existing potential, the presence of nuclear weapons makes it possible to conduct a full-fledged a policy of upholding one's national interests.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: krpmlws

Alexander, you didn’t like my style, well, the reason for you is probably good

I do not like the fact that you wrote recipes bringing here the USSR. Do you compare the power of the USSR with today?

Quote: krpmlws

.In your opinion, the Russian Federation is doing everything possible and impossible and any position opposite to this is sedition and an empty chatter.

But our Ministry of Foreign Affairs is really doing something, but you definitely aren’t, however, like me.

Quote: krpmlws

Rather, the second, because your pro-Putin position is well known.

My pro-Putin position Yes, I beg you. Now it is Putin who opposes the United States, not Zyuganov or Zhirik. It is Putin who decides in the country, he is the president. I like Putin or not, but he is the one who decides on Syria and opposes the United States.

Quote: krpmlws

and; providing direct armed assistance; exerting diplomatic pressure on the aggressor and imposing sanctions

Do you want to send a soldier to Syria? Sanctions against the USA? You don’t have to mind a lot of fists, and even before the warriors there is a hand at hand, which the United States so want to untie. Hm, all the same, it’s not in vain that I put you a minus.

[krpmlws]

I believe that the potential of the Russian Federation allows to more fully defend national interests, this is my opinion.

Do you want to send a soldier to Syria?

Read carefully, then delusional questions will not appear

Carrying out all these methods in full and as necessary

It is necessary to impose sanctions against any instigator of the war. It seems that one instigator was pacified by half measures in the late 30s, it turned out somehow not very ... No double standards, no dealings with conscience and international law. If not us, then who?

[31231]

What are the sanctions, dear? The sixth economy will butt with the first ?! Do you even imagine the amount of foreign capital in Russia?

[nerd.su]

Quote: 31231

Do you even imagine the amount of foreign capital in Russia?

Sorry to interfere, but it seems to me 90% of foreign capital in Russia is our money, only from offshore. Somehow it turns out that in most companies foreign shareholders are all from Cyprus, but from the Virgin Islands ...

[31231]

To withdraw money offshore, so that later they would be brought back to Russia. For what?

[nerd.su]

For the sake of profit, save on taxes. Or, for example, so that it would not be difficult to find the true owner - otherwise the FAS will not doze off, and not everyone in our country can do business. Yes, you’d better google about offshore companies, the professionals there are more interesting than I explain.

[31231]

There are such. Especially in the early 2000s. Only not 90% of them.
As an example of large foreign capital: the former TNK-BP, automobile plants producing Ford, Renault and others. Their capital is much more than an olegarch leftist.

[nerd.su]

TNK-BP in FIG is not needed, no matter how much is offered. Auto factories? Well, how much money did they all invest? 5-10 billion dollars? Really no more than five, I think. And the oligarchic leftist, according to various estimates, only in Cyprus from 19 billion euros. From 19. And how many more offshore. And why only oligarchic? And Gazprom holds funds there, and VTB. So the volume of foreign capital in Russia is not critical.

[Egen]

Quote: bot.su

Somehow it turns out that in most companies foreign shareholders are all from Cyprus

Sergey, I also apologize for the small off-top, but this is to local private companies, which the small comrades were able to earn themselves. Who is bigger, only part of the money is invested back in the Russian Federation - like Lisin, but for example Abramovich also prefers to invest in foreign countries in the form of castles and yachts, and infa fails about enterprises. Mordashov is remembered to Severstal bought a lot of things in Europe, I don’t know what is happening to him now. But far to go, even our small Siberian cement holding, even by Russian standards, bought Turkish plants. Exporting capital to safer areas to diversify risks however :)

[nerd.su]

Quote: Egen

Exporting capital to safer areas to diversify risks however

As for safer doubtful. Either Spain is fighting the Russian mafia, then Cyprus will introduce a tax ... But about diversification, I agree, they don’t want to keep all their eggs in one basket.

[arnulla]

What sanctions? Against whom? Against the Anglo-Saxon incendiary? France? And? Strongly chtol they are worried about our sanctions? And what will we lose in this case? Russia, so far, is not so strong as to throw such actions. And even because there are too many people like you, amateurs ...

[Che]

Quote: krpmlws

It is necessary to impose sanctions against any instigator of war.

Of course, a reaction is needed and immediate. It is necessary to wrestle with amers, to connect everything that is possible. By the way, GDP was not bad in Vladivostok. Things got off the ground.

[Sandov]

God willing will reach the amers all their absurdity of thinking and responding to challenges.

[31231]

Yes, there already the vegetables realized the madness of the black president.

[Manager]

Quote: krpmlws

; exerting diplomatic pressure on the aggressor

You are joking? Can Russia diplomatically put pressure on the US?
What a news!

[Che]

Quote: Manager

You are joking? Can Russia diplomatically put pressure on the US?
What a news!

Of course, maybe a good diplomat will replace the division of fighters. And in the worst of times, our diplomats found a way out.

[bask]

Quote: Che

Of course, maybe a good diplomat will replace the division of fighters. And in the worst of times, our diplomats found a way out.

That's for sure (Gorchakov’s example is the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia in the 19th century).
But now is not the 19th century. And all sorts of arguments of Lavrov should be supported by the economic and military power of Russia.
NOW THE FORCE RULES THE WORLD !!! Who is stronger (who has a wider muzzle) is right. The UN on the side ...

[nerd.su]

Quote: Che

Of course, maybe a good diplomat will replace the division of fighters. And in the worst of times, our diplomats found a way out.

A good diplomat can save the division if it is available. But without this division, if the other side with the intelligence is okay, a good diplomat can only bargain for the honorable conditions of surrender.

[Sandov]

Quote: bot.su

good diplomat only honorable conditions for surrender can be negotiated.

Well, I would not be so categorical about the captivity. As they say, the Russians are not being made.

[nerd.su]

So I'm not talking about Russians, I'm talking about diplomats ...

[Anti]

Quote: Manager

You are joking? Can Russia diplomatically put pressure on the US?

Also and how !!! And here are the fruits !!!

http://r136a.livejournal.com/

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What are you talking about? What other recipes can you bring these famous recipes yourself.

He probably believes that we should now send the entire fleet to the Suez Canal and defiantly deploy missiles in the direction of Sysh ..... But it seems like this has been done for a long time)) The fleet is being strengthened, missiles have been looking west for 50 years ... that he still want Romanovich ???

[Che]

Manager.
Nevertheless, it would be nice to strengthen our naval squadron near Syria. Her very presence will be a heartwarming fact for Amers.

[zvereok]

Quote: krpmlws

Alexander Romanov, assessing the intensity of the escalation of tension in the world and in Syria in particular, we can conclude that the Russian Federation does not do what it could do. How did the USSR resist the aggression of the West? The recipes are well known. The problem is that the Russian Federation should not follow them.

It should, but only in relation to its immediate neighbors. Namely, within the framework of authority. Who is delegated these powers? Is such a hierarchy funny? Defend their interests in relations with Europe, no authority, with the United States and even more so. But different Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Belarus we can do this ... Reminds the organizational structure of the enterprise. USA gene deer. Europe Fin. deer Russia Head of Division Ukraine, Belarus horizontal equal hands. units, but managing less important areas. Kyrgyzstan, etc. subordinates.

[31231]

Do you see the country's leader with experience ?! You know and see all the decisions of our Foreign Ministry and the Security Council ?!

Tornetexpert touches me, they all know all right and know how to solve these problems in the best way.

[zvereok]

Well, I’m playing Tsiva from the first version on floppy disks))) ... And you know who touches me? People who can only repeat other people's thoughts, and at the same time do not want to think with their own heads. You tell fascism well, they will find a thousand excuses that this is so. You tell them bad Putin, they are ready to believe it. The main thing is that the speaker should be an authoritative person. In their experience, such people do not want to look back. Moreover, they do not like experience ... Books need a bonfire! No stories!

[Nick]

Quote: krpmlws

? Recipes are well known. The problem is that Russia should not

And yet, name these recipes. No specifics, your comment looks too demagogic ...

[Manager]

Quote: krpmlws

The Russian Federation does not do what it could do. How did the USSR resist the aggression of the West?

Well, you need to cool the ardor ..... In due time, Georgia was also not touched for the time being. So it is here. Surely our chess player Vovka has some trump card. He’s the grandmaster. For 5 moves, everything is calculated. It’s never too late to give teeth.
But as they say ...... but xs che say))))

[tetatus]

Sorry for the tactless question, but where is that USSR opposing the aggression of the West? It may be enough to mourn already the past and begin to live this day. Sorry for the harshness, but somehow.

[Manager]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And what do you think the real steps should be?

Romanovich, hello!
Well, with political steps, we won’t achieve anything from the other side either.
It’s necessary to play with muscles and mark territory. But just do so, what would happen without risk for yourself? Only the USSR was capable of this. Now I don’t even know. Maybe just let our submarine float off the coast of Syria?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Manager

Maybe just let our submarine float off the coast of Syria?

Hi Maxim! I don’t know, in my non-professional opinion, surfacing off the coast of the United States is much more effective and intelligible

[Che]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

surfacing off the coast of the United States, much more vigorously and intelligibly

Operation Angara take 2 and all things?

[Maks-80]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it is sad that the Russian Federation will not take real steps to prevent war.

And what do you think the real steps should be?

For example, to airlift four or five Iskander aircraft to Syria. One to target Turkey, one to Israel, one to Jordan, one to SA. I am sure that after that all the desire to fight the amers and their mongrels will disappear)

[smile]

Maks-80
And the Jews will cover them with one blow ... and then what to do, to throw nuclear missiles? Or keep silent in a rag? Do you think that we will greatly help Syria and raise our authority? Can you imagine what a howl would rise if we put such a weapon in Syria?

[Maks-80]

Do not have time) Iskanders with nuclear warheads put. Missiles were once thrown to Cuba, and this cooled some hotheads.

[31231]

It seems that your head has been cooled, one reason was developed by Iskander to frighten sufficiently developed countries.

[alone]

Of course, I apologize for the delivery and targeting of this very important thing. And this thing is called a contract. The essence of the agreement should be as follows: Russia is the guarantor of the security of the Republic of Syria and any attack on Syria is considered an attack on Russia. There is no such agreement.

[smile]

Maks-80
Locate nuclear weapons abroad? By the way. Are you sure that Assad wants to arrange a possible nuclear test site from his country? ...
Ok, simulate the situation, as I recently wrote. You are the president. You have delivered nuclear missiles to Syria, even non-nuclear ones, all the more so since it is more convenient to use nuclear weapons from your territory (in Cuba, we deployed missiles because of a lack of required range of missiles) - you don’t need to protect from enemy DRGs and Aviation .. ..Yes, at least you declare that you are defending Syria as your country ... without any supplies.
The next day, dozens of axes fly to Syria ... your actions?

1 option. You. as the president, you are ordering a fuck at the States of nuclear weapons. and you hide in the bunker? The result is a fox ....
Option 2. You swear and threaten for a long time, our enemies cheer joyfully, our friends doubt our sanity and the price of our security guarantees ...
The next day, a few dozen more tomahawks arrive in Syria ... if you put nuclear missiles in place of their instant destruction, radioactive contamination, the people fire up these weak and stupid Russian radishes ... the whole world is hysterical from the irresponsibility of Russians, we are expelled from the Security Council. The UN is sending humanitarian peacekeepers to the country, with bombs and napalm, helping the Syrian "rebels" to carry out decontamination ...

In general, your option will not be the best, alas ...

[VKabanov]

If we compare with the QATAR shit, then all questions will disappear for 30 years. And besides the barking from the United States, and the UAE will not be anything. Old Europe and Israel will only say thanks (though behind the scenes).

[arnulla]

I agree with you. And there is a reason, the financing of terrorism. And swallow, they won’t do anything)))

[31231]

It’s not enough to equalize, it is also necessary to cover their gas supply volumes. Then Europe will swallow for sure.

[smile]

VKabanov
You did not take into account that the Jews quite fruitfully cooperate with Qatar and the Saudis .... our colleagues from Israel have repeatedly talked about this. This changes the situation a bit, right? And to compare with .... how do you propose them? If you do not use nuclear weapons, it’s a rather complicated operation, even taking into account the Saudi’s own forces (everything is clear with Qatar), but there are American bases there, there are American guarantees of security ... they won’t wipe themselves-it’s even more important for them than for us- Syria ... to wipe oneself in such a situation for the striped-Death! ...... because I think that you are mistaken ... although I myself think that without a boil like Qatar, the whole world would be calmer ...

[series]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And what do you think the real steps should be?

Alexander, there are examples!
Operation Caucasus
In this situation, the President of Egypt, Gamal Abdel Nasser, secretly visited the Soviet Union and convinced the Soviet leadership of the need to cover the facilities of the Egyptian Forces by Soviet forces. Despite the fact that these actions could significantly aggravate Soviet-American relations, the Soviet government decided to provide direct military assistance - the operation was code-named "Caucasus". In preparation for its implementation, the 18th Division of Special Purpose Anti-aircraft Missile Forces, the 135th Fighter Aviation Regiment and the 35th Separate Fighter Aviation Squadron were formed behind the scenes [5]. At the end of December 1969 - the beginning of 1970, Egypt, to conduct reconnaissance work (selection of elements of the combat formations of units and air defense units), a group of high-ranking officers of the USSR Air Defense Forces headed by Army General P.F. Batitsky visited. On January 2, 1970, this group of 10 people met with President G. A. Nasser and Vice President A. Sadat. During the meeting, Batitsky personally introduced all of his companions, and when he characterized the head of the political department of the Air Defense Forces, Colonel General I.F. Khalipov, a funny thing happened - Nasser did not understand what this position was, and then Batitsky translated the meaning of his position as “spiritual father ". They explained to the president that this was the main “mullah” of Soviet anti-aircraft gunners, and, according to eyewitnesses, Nasser was pleased with the wit of the Soviet generals [6]. On January 9, 1970, two Il-18 planes took off from the Chkalovsky airfield near Moscow, on board which the next group of generals and senior officers of the USSR Ministry of Defense flew to Egypt. The group was headed by Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense Forces, Colonel-General A.F. Shcheglov and Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force, Army General A.N. Efimov. The group included generals A.I. Belyakov, A.K. Vankov, L.A. Gromov, M.I. Naumenko and a number of officers of the General Staff, air defense forces, air forces, and RTV. Upon arrival in Cairo from the first day, intense and responsible work began, which took place in close cooperation with the military personnel of the Egyptian armed forces, the commanders of the armed forces, the Ministry of Defense and the personnel of military advisers in Egypt.

[series]

Having received the order of the Minister of Defense of the Soviet Union, Marshal A. A. Grechko on the operation "Caucasus", Commander-in-Chief of the Air Defense Forces of the country, Army General P. F. Batitsky convened a meeting to which his deputies were invited - Colonel General A. F. Shcheglov, Colonel General A. AND. Pokryshkin, member of the Military Council, Colonel General I. F. Khalipov, Chief of the General Staff, Colonel General V. D. Sozinov, military commanders - Lieutenant General F. Bondarenko (anti-aircraft missile troops), Lieutenant General M. Beregovoy (radio troops), Lieutenant General A. AND. Kadomtsev (fighter aircraft) and heads of departments - operational (Lieutenant General G. Skorikov), personnel (lieutenant general of aviation L. AT. Vakhrushev), rear (lieutenant general of aviation V. М. Shevchuk). After the announcement of the order P. F. Batitsky set specific tasks for the development of Operation Caucasus, the formation of the 18th Special Purpose Anti-Aircraft Missile Division, and its combat coordination at the Ashuluk and Yangaja training grounds. On the same day, the terms of readiness for sending to Egypt were determined, an order was issued by the commander of the air defense armies on the preparation of divisions and special forces, which were to be part of the formed brigades. By the appointed date, the Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Air Defense Forces of the country has developed a plan for the operation. Work was completed on the formation of the division, its armament, and material and technical support; necessary training and firing at high-speed low-altitude targets were conducted at the training grounds. During the report P. F. Batitsky to the Minister of Defense on the completion of preparations for the operation "Caucasus" - the Minister of Defense approved the work done, and recommended strengthening the division with another five to seven divisions. The Commander-in-Chief replied that being both a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU, he was responsible for the air defense of the USSR and could not single out any more divisions. After a short pause, the Minister of Defense said: “Well, okay, okay, let's limit ourselves to this.” The combat units were legends as "agricultural specialists." The personnel were changed from military uniforms to civilian trousers, jackets and coats. The difference between officers and warrant officers from the rank and file was that officers and warrant officers put on hats, and rank-and-file officers took berets [9]. The transfer of troops to Egypt was carried out in February and early March 1970. The first units of the Soviet limited contingent arrived on March 5 and 8, 1970. to the port of Alexandria on the motor ships "Rosa Luxemburg" and "George Chicherin." These were the divisions of Soviet anti-aircraft gunners, under the leadership of Major General P. G. Smirnov, and fighter aviation regiments under the leadership of Major General Aviation G. W. Dolnikova. When transporting troops by sea from Nikolaev, all measures of secrecy were observed. Officers, soldiers and sergeants handed over personal documents, dressed in civilian clothes, and upon arrival in Alexandria - in the uniform of the Egyptian army. The loading and unloading of personnel and military equipment, as well as all marches for occupying the launching positions of anti-aircraft missile systems, took place only at night. In the daytime, the troops were in the so-called "settlers", strictly observing the disguise. However, despite the measures taken, within a few days in the Western press appeared information about the "Soviet presence in Egypt." The exact coordinates of the new positions of the air defense system were even announced. Israeli radio immediately began broadcasting in Russian "especially for Soviet soldiers." Each member of the Soviet military contingent, each soldier, was familiarized with his actions upon arrival, and therefore, upon unloading in Alexandria, everything happened in an organized manner, in working mode - columns were formed and those responsible were appointed, and the issue of protecting the columns march.

[Ruslan_F38]

Russian Islamic Committee: Putin is trying to fix Lavrov’s mistake

The chairman of the Islamic Committee of Russia, Heydar Jemal, called Vladimir Putin’s appeal to Barack Obama to refrain from attacking Syria in an attempt to compensate for the failure of the Russian Foreign Ministry.
In an interview that Geidar Dzhemal gave to the Russian News Service, he said that Sergei Lavrov had no right to declare that Russia would not fight for Syria.
"This is an attempt to cover up the grave diplomatic miscalculation of Lavrov, who publicly declared that Russia would not fight for Syria. It was a defeatist statement that opened up strategy maps and gave the green light to the aggressor," Jemal told the RSN website.
The chairman of the Russian Islamic Committee called the statement of the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation "a failure."
We will remind, earlier Vladimir Putin characterized the reports on the use of chemical weapons by Damascus "utter nonsense." http://3mv.ru/publ/islamskij_komitet_rossii_putin_pytaetsja_ispravit_oshibku_lav
rova / 1-1-0-18845

Jemal has a controversial personality and statements on the verge of a foul - but here I agree with him one hundred percent.

[31231]

Still, they would have asked Volfich an opinion on this matter.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: 31231

Still, they would have asked Volfich an opinion on this matter.

I would love to, but I personally do not know it unfortunately, but according to many, Mr. Zhirinovsky is far from being as stupid as he is represented in the media.

[31231]

He is not stupid in a working environment, but before the media burns populism.

[Stalinets]

Lavrov, for the mother of Kalantarov ...... this is not a miscalculation. Wrong level. Maybe sabotage, but alas, not a miscalculation. No matter how you want to believe in it ......

[Anti]

Quote: krpmlws

it is sad that the Russian Federation does not take real steps to prevent war

Yeah, as much as two years, "nothing" has been doing.

[krpmlws]

Quote: Anti

Quote: krpmlws

it is sad that the Russian Federation does not take real steps to prevent war

Yeah, as much as two years, "nothing" has been doing.

They’re taking it, who says that the Russian Federation is not doing anything? But the results are not very encouraging, the last 20 years the amers have been bending one country after another. And the war seems to be postponed, say the senators during the holidays, let's see what happens in September.

[Anti]

Quote: krpmlws

They are taking it, who says that the Russian Federation is not doing anything?

just the same, one silence of the GDP drove them into shock and awe, and our air is there !!!!

[Slevinst]

maybe real steps have already been taken, the bombing is postponed, which means that not everything is smooth

[solomon]

And it seems to me that only the Russian Federation at the moment is holding back the further escalation of the war. And the war there has long been waged with the participation of the same US and WB.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: solomon

And it seems to me that only the Russian Federation at the moment is holding back the further escalation of the war. And the war there has long been waged with the participation of the same US and WB.

Correctly you "seem", only not actively enough "restrains". Only today, Putin has more or less expressed his opinion on Syria, and should have had it "the day before yesterday."

[ziqzaq]

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it’s sad that the Russian Federation will not take real steps to prevent a war. Then it will be too late.

Already wrote earlier, there will be no blows to Syria ...
Obama and his pack decided to put pressure on the GDP after Snowden and other humiliating "sinkings" from the GDP, but as always this whole performance is very poorly staged ...
Anyway, observing all the decisions of today's White House team, as in the rest and the previous one, it creates a lasting impression that they are collectively given a lobotomy.
"Foster bride" of American politicians:
Obama strictly asks:
Did you get a lobotomy?
No, what do you need? - the first condate.
So everything is free, next ....
Have you had a lobotomy? - asks the next condidat.
Hmm..hmm..khe..khe..a little bit, but what is it?
So, so, so this is already interesting - "Democratizer" is interested
And how do you feel about gays?
Is always!!!
Well, our man ...........

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: ziqzaq

Already wrote earlier, there will be no blows to Syria ...
Obama and his pack decided to put pressure on the GDP after Snowden and other humiliating "sinkings" from the GDP, but as always this whole performance is very poorly staged ...

Then why is this: The Syrian security forces detained 24 agents in Damascus and its environs who were spying for foreign intelligence services.

The detainees carried advanced communications, video cameras, and maps of residential areas and military facilities. According to the data received, most of those arrested are foreigners, some of them are citizens of neighboring states with Syria, as well as 2 Europeans.

During their investigations, these spies revealed dangerous information about the actions of neighboring countries and their special forces, which includes citizens of various states, as well as information about the operational rooms created by these countries to study events in Syria.
Read in full: http://3mv.ru/publ/desjatki_inostrannykh_shpionov_zaderzhany_v_sirijskoj_stolice
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[tilovaykrisa]

What to send submarines to the assembled NATO ships and torpedo them? Or immediately shoot at the Yankees ICBMs? The only thing that GDP can do in the event of an act of aggression is to withdraw from all treaties in NATO, leave the UN Security Council and withdraw its representatives from all organizations, declaring these organizations incompetent and the United States as a global enemy. Well, to deliver the c300 to Iran and everything they ask for including a couple of warheads.

[smile]

tilovaykrisa
The exit from the Security Council will not bring anything good - they will make such decisions there without our veto, we’ll be dissolving.

[tilovaykrisa]

They are already acting around the Security Council and not the first time, this organization has exhausted itself, to them that the Security Council and the UN are all on the drum.

[Sergh]

Quote: krpmlws

It’s sad that Russia will not take real steps to prevent a war. Then it will be too late.

You, young man, how many years old? It’s time, at least, to learn how to read newspapers. That's for it from me and minus. Rights, carry all the belebah ...

[Ruslan_F38]

The head of the Iranian army, Hassan Firuzabadi, said that Israel would be attacked in case of military intervention in Syria.
"If Syria comes under attack, the Zionists will be attacked," Fars reported.
A delegation of Iranian deputies went on Saturday to Syria and Lebanon to study the situation and “condemn the use of chemical weapons by terrorist groups,” parliamentary officials said.
Three members of the delegation led by chairman of the parliamentary committee on national security and foreign policy Alaeddin Borujerdi are expected to meet with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus, one official said.
Their visit will take place against the backdrop of yesterday's speech by Secretary of State John Kerry with a government report on the use of chemical weapons, which is accused of Assad. President Barack Obama said Friday that the US is considering "limited and narrowly targeted" action against Syria, insisting that the world must act to punish Assad for his brutality.
http://3mv.ru/publ/iran_my_napadem_na_sionistov_v_sluchae_ataki_na_siriju/1-1-0-
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Someone still has eggs and this is undoubtedly pleasing.

[-Max-]

And what do you think should we take?
Send a pair of poplars and yars with a mace?
It seems to me ANOTHER time ...

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: -Max-

And what do you think should we take?
Send a pair of poplars and yars with a mace?
It seems to me ANOTHER time ...

You can send it if you can of course, but I would not advise - you hardly need a third world, although who knows you. Regarding my steps, he has already written more than once, more active actions - both on the part of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and on the part of the authorities, and it is clear that they will not stop the supply of arms at the most acute moment of the conflict.
Here is one of the suggestions previously commented on: You just need to intervene. The Syrian leadership has previously turned to the BRICS countries with a request to send troops into Syria. If you bring in troops there, pull up the fleet - neither Israel, nor the United States, nor the boy "six" Cameron, let alone a "full of holes" oland, I am silent about the Turks - they will not bomb Syria unambiguously, there will be provocations, but they will not "shoot" at Syria will be. But, I repeat, this requires political courage, and in general you need to have "eggs", it is not against Georgia to speak out.

[alone]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

. The Syrian leadership has previously appealed to the BRICS countries with a request to send troops into Syria.

Dear Ruslan. The Brix organization is a purely economic organization. This organization does not have a military wing. And it is not created for peacekeeping purposes.
Do you think if it were possible, the brix countries would not use the appeal?

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: lonely

Dear Ruslan. The Brix organization is a purely economic organization. This organization does not have a military wing. And it is not created for peacekeeping purposes.

You are wrong, what does the economic or political or military have to do with it - the appeal was to the BRICS countries.

Do you think if it were possible, the brix countries would not use the appeal?

- why is this impossible and what prevents them? The answer is obvious - maybe absolutely nothing bothers them, unlike the United States and NATO countries that just need the UN mandate to strike at Syria.

[Ruslan_F38]

Russia can help Syria control airspace

The Russian group of the Navy near the coast of Syria monitors airspace in any scenario and regardless of the environment.
At the same time, the Russian military can also transmit information received during monitoring to the Syrian air defense crews. This will ensure the most timely reaction of the Syrian air defense to any attempts at military aggression by the United States and its allies both in airspace and at sea.
Recall that, according to information from various sources, Russia sent to the shores of Syria a large anti-submarine ship (presumably "Kerch") and a missile cruiser (presumably Varyag), as well as support ships.
At the same time, information flashed in the media that Russian submarines were also on duty in the area.
According to The Los Angeles Times, Russian ships are already in the Mediterranean Sea and will arrive at the shores of Syria as soon as possible.
If Russian ships transmit information about airspace monitoring to Syria, this fact will significantly weaken the position of the United States due to the readiness of the Syrian air defense system and force the fleet command to report more "upward" about what exactly is happening in the area where the Russians are.
Washington understands this very well, therefore, a number of military experts have already expressed the view that sending Russian ships has just become the trump card that will most likely put an end to NATO’s air strike.
American military experts, and the AUG commanding staff, are well aware that the days of the weak Russian fleet are over. They are also well aware that the radar of Russian ships is in no way inferior, for example, to the well-known SPY systems on ships of the US Navy.
Along with this, other experts already argue that the United States has come to terms with the idea that Russian ships will transmit information about the sky to Syria's air defense, and that is why the Harry Truman and Nimitz aircraft carrier strike groups (AUG) with all their combat power remained in the Persian Gulf.
It should also be noted that during the operation to force Georgia to peace in August 2008, the United States also assisted Georgian air defense by monitoring the skies of Russia and Georgia, and also blocked the radio communications of the Russian military in the conflict zone. http://3mv.ru/publ/rossija_mozhet_pomoch_sirii_kontrolirovat_vozdushnoe_prostran
stvo / 1-1-0-18874


These are already serious actions of Russia to help Syria, I hope the news is true.

[Alexander P]

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/r136a/29642568/207829/207829_original.jpg

"I won't go to Syria alone - they'll kick my ass there!"

[almost demobil]

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it’s sad that Russia will not take real steps to prevent war

And nothing that for some unknown reason the Anglicos, this faithful mongrel of mattresses, refused to fight? What can you and I know about behind-the-scenes politics? And in my opinion, a lot of work has been and is being done. Maybe we are scoundrels for not supplying fighters to Syria? I’ll answer right away, it makes no sense, since the airfields will be destroyed in the first place (one "tablet" is enough for this), but where can we get perfectly trained pilots for our Migi? Air defense will knock down some% of the CD, but the rest will still break through and the prestige of our fighters, which cannot even take off, will suffer enormous damage. In this whole war, if there is one, the Syrians will only have to die for their country and try to inflict as much damage as possible on the mattress toppers.

[Petr1]

Russia does not dare to tell the truth. Let the truth tell the whole world that the leadership of the United States is fascists, the leadership of France is fascists, animals are led by Turkey and Saudis, Jews are fascists !!!!! and solemnly give Iran an atomic missile (thicker), so that peace reigned soon in the east!

[Jack122]

It is good that the government will not hear you and will not hand over a "thicker nuclear missile" to anyone. I don't understand what you think

[smile]

Jack122
The Chukchi is not a reader-Chukchi-writer ... with a thick nuclear missile, which the "Whole World" handed to him for transmission to the one to whom the same World decides ... :)))

[nerd.su]

With a thick nuclear missile, perhaps a bust. And the rest, although you are too categorical, but right ... For sarcasm plus.

[Tatarus]

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it’s sad that Russia will not take real steps to prevent a war. Then it will be too late

Please suggest your real steps. List of options. It is only desirable that the real ones are realistic. A specific list of measures both in the political arena and not in it. Well, so as not to overstate.

[Anti]

Invest more in information technology.

[fellow misha]

Oh, how Obamka does not want to play the role of Hitler of the XXI century, but apparently all the same it will be necessary, for and now the eternal question is being solved there - "To be or not to be", so the question - "To bomb or not to bomb" I think has already been resolved. Yeah, so much has been done that the world would have seen how Omerika, like a white knight, all in shiny armor, traveled half the globe to save the oppressed people from bad guys, but it didn't work out. Either they played poorly (they don’t read Stanislavsky), or the partners were offended by the previous vile deeds that Big Brother stupidly threw and now Omerika was left without world support in the face of the progressive peoples of the "Golden Billion", France certainly does not count (prostitution is such prostitution), and put the small ones out of brackets. So Obamka between the pronouncement of "chemical weapons is a red line" and the beginning of the bombing in our time, something more must be done to remain a white knight in shiny armor.

[an_ursus]

There was such an ephemeral "state" - Khazaria. The financiers changed Khans 3 or more times a year, moreover, they were killed. Obama Husseinovich, he is. "Poor Yorick"..

[31231]

Brzezinski rightly said about the current time pressure "why is Obama being led to the games of the Saudis and Qatar ?!" And now, when he got into the very endgame in this game, he cannot decide anything.

[igor67]

Quote: 31231

Brzezinski rightly said about the current time pressure "why is Obama being led to the games of the Saudis and Qatar ?!" And now, when he got into the very endgame in this game, he cannot decide anything.

Perhaps these countries are sponsors of the "Arab Spring" project, removed competitors Libya, Egypt, raised energy prices

[31231]

And who will sponsor radical Islamists more ?! Beggars Pakistan or Afghanistan ?! Iran has been screwed up, because of economic sanctions, there would be something to scrape together on Hizbullah. Algeria?! The one in the pile porridge is cooked.

[Arabist]

You will laugh, but Pakistan is just one of the main sponsors of international terrorism at the Institute of Oriental Studies of the Russian Academy of Sciences. In some years, even more than Saudi Arabia.

[31231]

Or maybe just through the packs there is traffic from the Saudis, ovs and other rich nasty creatures? What do you think, will any Ukrainian "Svoboda" support NGOs and individuals like Onalny?

[Arabist]

Judge the self-population of Pakistan 180 million people. Every second donated at least 1 dollar and now the amount of 60 million greens. And this is a lot. Wait a bit, I'll try to find this article now.

[31231]

Everyone donated a buck ?! Hmm, judging by your calculations, children, women, Christians, adequate Muslims will also be thrown off ?! Honestly, even too lazy to dig Old about the state of the economy of Pakistan. And their main feeding up is the Taliban.

[Arabist]

Christians in Pakistan are only 1.6%, with GDP of $ 488 billion (28th in GDP). Not such a poor country.

[31231]

180 million 488 billion. Not enough for the mediocre squandering of money.

[Arabist]

Sorry, I can't upload a fragment. The title of the article is "The Economic Foundations of Terrorist Organizations in the Middle East." Author Glebova N.S.

[31231]

Nevertheless, thanks for the info.

[polly]

Just about, Obama finally showed himself in the international political arena as the dancer who you yourself know what is in the way! Nobel Peace Dove, however!

[Valery Neonov]

Quote: svp67

you can only BELIEVE in Russia ... "

Why, then, only to believe? - IN RUSSIA YOU CAN LIVE. And Russia will not leave Syria.

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it’s sad that Russia will not take real steps to prevent war

And what actions do you imagine; it will be like the "mentally ill" from the US-A ... Remember probably: the one screaming in anger is ridiculous, the silent one in anger is terrible ... although in the case of amers, the "screaming ridiculous in fear" will do ...

[saag]

"... Russia has pushed back the timing of arms deliveries under contracts with Syria to a later date. As the newspaper Kommersant writes on Saturday, August 31, citing a source close to Rosoboronexport, in particular, the first MiG-29M / M2 fighters , which were supposed to be delivered this year, will get to the Syrians only in 2016 and 2017.

According to the publication, the delivery dates for Yak-130 combat trainers and S-300PMU2 air defense systems may also be shifted. "Source - http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/31/delay/
There really remains hope for a miracle

[Docklishin]

Yes, all this is somehow unpleasant. On the other hand ... maybe there is some kind of bargaining between us and the United States. Amers type is not bombed, or bombed, but few and selective, and then they leave. It seems to me that they will not be able to turn on the return line - the image and all that. And we, in turn, "restrict" the supply of weapons. Please pay attention to "limit".
And then Assad quietly kills the militants. And then ... what role will 9 play !!! MIG 29 against this horde. Now, if there would be 129 + AWACS + air defense system = business. And so ...

[Docklishin]

And then ... If anything, then Iran can be delivered. And they will fraternally decide how to dispose of technology and means further.

[shinobi]

NATO refused to take part in the strike without UN sanction.

[Koronik]

I think there will be no air strike, not as brave as they seem.

[rainufa]

Courage appears when they flock to the village, and then to the one torn apart by another flock. The leader of the village is healthy, lucky and quick-witted!
And we, as residents of another village, should learn from this and help with pitchforks, sickles and replenish bins.
Not that hungry jackals will come to our village.

[olviko]

krpmlws (1) SU Today, 08:20 AM New
Hmm, it’s sad that Russia will not take real steps to prevent a war. Then it will be too late


I liked this: Cameron calls Putin:
- Volodya, what do you say if Barak Huseynovich and I are craving for Syria? ..
Putin:
- nothing
Cameron (joyfully):
- how, absolutely nothing?
Putin:
- Nope. Let the surprise be.

[aszzz888]

Russia will not abandon Syria face to face with the mericatos and pr. Nato ... vtsami. The latter moved out without UN authorization. Yes, and the fogged discord - they did not give the premier an immediate chance to help Barack.

[31231]

One thing I’ll say, men, Assad is growing stronger and gaining political weight. May God grant him health, for he is young and Syria will be Russia's partner for a long time.

[GUSAR]

I would call this article "Hope for a miracle and that's it"

[Black]

Quote: Santor

Finishing the booty - Russia does everything it needs

I wanted to "open my mouth", read it ... I'll believe you. Let's wait. That's just - it’s restless.

[smiths xnumx]

Victor, thank you, I have not read such a detailed, and most importantly accurate comment for a long time. From me, plus. Yours faithfully!

[Ilya Mikhalych]

I feel sorry for people. So many died, and how many more will die. Poor things ...

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Manager

You are joking? Can Russia diplomatically put pressure on the US?
What a news!

Why not YES? Diplomacy is a complicated thing. He talked there, threw a word there. You look and Cameron imitates that the parliament banned him, Merkel did not refuse. (This is about GDP the day before). The others, too, looking at them, were not particularly hasty. Frog frog remained, bye. But this is fixable. They will not order the extra Mistral - and they will agree. And there:

[michajlo]

Santor Today, 09:53
Good afternoon, dear Victor!
Thank you very much for your comment! You have added faith and calmness to me. Regarding how painful it is to look into the eyes of the relatives of the dead soldiers, you very briefly and accurately described this heavy burden for the officers, after the cries of "Hurray" have ceased and the powder smoke has fallen on the battlefield ...

[KG_patriot_last]

Russia could elementarily at the bases of the SCO, BRICS, CSTO or convene the UN General Assembly and speak about the situation in the world with condemnation of aggressors and concern for world peace. So did the USSR. And the countries that support their opinion adopted any resolution.

No, of course, Putin can be silent and work without fuss. But on the other hand the odds are 50 / 50. After all, there will be those who say that the West retreated because of itself, because of the disagreement of their population, economy ... This is all not obvious and does not lead to any gains for Russia. Moreover, any bomb will erase the entire conspiracy theological model in the dust ...

Can we imagine that Russia intentionally does not convene allies on this issue? Of course not...

Therefore, I say - silence is not enough. Silence is a sign of agreement - in all cultures and in psychology. Politics and silence are not compatible things.

Is there a bidding price for every fallen missile in Syria? We cannot know about this.

The introduction of troops, this is not the only way, do not get hung up on the fear of sending troops and victims on this basis. It will not happen. Maximum - official arms shipments.

[Iraclius]

Maybe the growing protest movement in the same USA will make the White House administration think better of it?
Ghouls from France are more and more surprised - with a banging sound epic prodigy Algeria in due time, now decided to amuse the national self-love? In Libya, they drank blood, but thirst only intensified?
There was such a Persian shahansah Kurush, better known to us as King of Persia Cyrus the Great. The founder of the great empire, the first of the Achaemen family, the conqueror of Babylon and Ionia ... In his thirst for power, he was unsettled and everything ended tragically ... The Queen of the Massagets ordered her head to be chopped off and put in a wineskin with blood - to finally get drunk to the full. I wish the Franks to read Herodotus more - perhaps bad thoughts will disappear.

[wax]

Unfortunately, the United States is only moving towards an attack on Syria. The release of "evidence" suggests that the States have crossed the drawn red line themselves and have no way back. They need at least minimal international cooperation to give the appearance that this is a decision of the "world community". At the same time, a couple of billion people are not included in this community by definition. There can hardly be any doubt that England and France will support them anyway. The strike is obviously planned without invading troops - the task is simple: to reverse the balance of forces inside Syria in favor of the "rebels". A very significant moment will come when the tomahawks will fly, i.e. how the Syrian air defense will work (Russia, of course, will help with target designation) If the air defense turns out to be full of holes, then aviation (including Israel) will enter into aggression.
It is striking with what maniacal persistence the United States is destroying the centers of ancient culture and the gene pool of the planet - just as the strategy of liquidating the "extra" four billion of the world's population is being implemented. But there will still be a boomerang. It cannot but be. The United States will not last until its XNUMXth anniversary.
The Israeli-Turkish provocation, with the approval of the States, was finally crowned with success (in their own eyes), but this is just another Powell test tube.

[Aleks tv]

Thank you Elena for the report and photos.
Good luck to you.

Good luck Syria.

Eh ... I would have known normal English, I would have climbed into the "foreign" forums, the stereotype of the Westerners "tousled" at least a bit ... I remember almost nothing except interrogation of a prisoner of war (sad humor).
How can I, a reserve officer with a limited shelf life, help me more ...

We will support morally.

[Iraclius]

I will tell you briefly - it is practically useless. Throwing beads in front of pigs ... In the West, a new species of man has already been artificially grown and this Syria is for him ... Well, I think the idea is clear.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: Iraclius

Cast pearls before swine..

There is such a letter, Andrew.

But the adequate ones there remained a little, able to soberly evaluate. I communicate when I travel to Europe - the local ones are angry with the authorities.
Another thing is that even under the conditions of knowledge of the language, they will not let me say anything. Banned.
Zapadentsev carefully protect the impact on public opinion.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

I think what happened in these 2-3 days is a small victory! The screams for an immediate bombing changed to (or maybe it’s not worth a little something ..)) .. Another click on Obama’s nose !! .. And what I liked most about this situation .. when the Western media counted the hours when the bombing began .. and screaming about democracy .. Putin cold-bloodedly went to the Far East .. deals with the current problems inside the country (does not give comments ..) The Navy supposedly swims as usual .. airplanes fly training too ... Everything is fine "hot American guys!" .. Do you want to "save the world again? Well, try it .. we don't answer for the consequences .. This is the most optimal tactic !!!"

[Luga]

My personal opinion is to rob Syria just like Libya, and before that the others, the staff did not succeed. There will be no invasion. Even if they do decide to bomb, it will be just ... well, not an act of despair, but something like "here, we promised, we are not throwing words into the wind, and so it will be with everyone", etc. A good mine with a very bad game. A demonstrative indication to the "world community" of the real weight of its opinion for the states, the use of planned ammunition with noise and clatter (the expiration date has come to an end, new ones have already been ordered), and simply to weaken your opponent in the region is a little, but better than nothing, but then, maybe Assad will personally fall under the hatchet, then in general everything is in chocolate.
The question is different. It did not work to rob Syria, but somehow it is necessary to live. Will Lockheed sell to China? Or the 6 fleet as a whole to India? Or again try to rob someone? But who?
And I would advise the drummer at the summit in St. Petersburg to make a speech on the central channels in the style of "forgive me, I didn’t want to, this is all the CIA and military-industrial corporations, they forced me, but I’m good." And ask for political asylum in Russia.
Will give

[Vitaly Anisimov]

And I think Russia will provoke and provoke a conflict .. real ..

[Finz]

As always, the fakes on the media flew (I hope) a close source, an unknown source, a native source of bl ...

Media: Russia has postponed the delivery of military equipment to Syria

According to the Kommersant newspaper on Saturday, a source close to Rosoboronexport told about changes in the schedule of deliveries of MiG-29M / M2 aircraft to Damascus, who expressed the hope that regardless of the events taking place in Syria, the contract will be fully implemented.
The newspaper clarifies that only nine fighters are planned to be delivered to the customer in 2016, and the remaining three - in 2017. The main reason for adjusting the delivery dates was "financial difficulties that the customer is experiencing."
“After receipt of three tranches of 10% each from the moment the contract was entered into the MiG Corporation’s account, payments ceased,” the newspaper writes. According to Kommersant, representatives of the Syrian military delegation tried to find a solution to this problem, who arrived in Moscow at the end of May for negotiations that did not lead to success.
“A similar delay can happen with the Russian-Syrian contract of 2011 - for the supply of 36 Yak-130 combat training aircraft,” the newspaper said. Kommersant adds that officially, no Syrian contracts have been commented on at Rosoboronexport.

[diesel]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

My pro-Putin position Yes, I beg you. Now it is Putin who opposes the United States, not Zyuganov or Zhirik. It is Putin who decides in the country, he is the president. I like Putin or not, but he is the one who decides on Syria and opposes the United States.

The country should be populated by the people, not the population, conceptually framed, it was clear what to fight for, and on this basis it could stand up to anyone, and not just one person in the manual control regime in which the government opposes the president, and the governors think like dung beetles that if they are buried, then they are not visible.

[Novik]

Quote: strannik595

business as usual

Moscow, August 31.
Russia has delayed the supply of arms to Syria, the first MiG-29M / M2 fighters will not be able to enter the Arab country in 2013, as planned, but only in 2016, Kommersant writes.
According to the publication, the main reason for the change in the delivery time was the "accumulated financial difficulties" faced by the Syrian authorities.
Under a contract concluded in 2007, the Russian Federation is to supply 12 MiG-29M / M2 fighters to Syria. Deliveries have already been delayed due to France's refusal to transfer navigation system technology for cars. Later, a military conflict in the country caused a pause.

At the same time, the publication’s sources state that the situation with the supply of S-300PMU2 air defense systems to Syria is still in limbo.

The 2010 agreement provided for the delivery of six anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) by the second quarter of 2014. But its implementation did not begin, according to a source close to the Russian system of military-technical cooperation, because of the freezing of the contract caused by Moscow’s unwillingness to aggravate relations with the US and Israel ......... bewilderment

You forgot to give a link :)
And the supply was suspended due to financial difficulties in Syria.

The main reason for the change in the delivery time, according to Kommersant's sources, was the "accumulated financial difficulties" faced by the Syrian authorities.

And where you have dots -

and subsequently, the absence of advance payments for air defense systems.

Prisoner in 2010 The contract provided for the delivery of six anti-aircraft missile systems (SAM) by the second quarter of 2014. However, its practical implementation has not yet begun: the reasons, according to a source close to the Russian military-technical cooperation system, were initially contract freezes caused by Moscow’s reluctance to aggravate relations with the United States and Israel, and subsequently, the absence of advance payments for air defense systems.

Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/31/08/2013/874213.shtml
So it’s not entirely clear what exactly you are perplexed with and why you are so strange and selectively focusing on this.
I understand, of course, that "Russia is a generous soul", but not so much :)

[George]

Hello everyone .
Yes, it remains to wait, hope and believe.

[Black]

Quote: Finz

The main reason for adjusting the delivery dates was "financial difficulties that the customer is experiencing."

When this insolvency of the client was an obstacle to give him a gun, if it (perhaps, but here it is for sure!) Will shoot at our "partners". That "row", then "tabanim" ... I hope the Kremlin knows better. There are only weak hopes.

Quote: dizelniy

The country must be populated by the people

They said wonderful, and very true.

[Novik]

Quote: Chen

When this insolvency of the client was an obstacle to give him hands

Of course, at our expense (at the expense of our senior citizens and the poor)?
In the days of the USSR, money was already swollen there, instead of steadily raising the well-being of the Soviet people.
If you give "ruzho", then only that which will be more expensive to dispose of.
Enough.
Russia also needs profit. Especially now, when the citizens of Russia, due to flooding in the Far East, were left homeless, in anticipation of winter.
So V.V. Putin has set his priorities correctly, he keeps "Akhmatov's pause" on Syria and deals with the problems of our people.

[Maks-80]

Punitive Anthem of Democracy

[w.ebdo.g]

beautiful anthem of freaks!
I’ll drag it to my page in contact and send it to my friends who prove to me how democratic Americans have always been ...
Maks-80 thanks!

[Novik]

And more interesting (I hope for you :)) information about the chemical attack in Syria.

EXCLUSIVE: Syrians In Ghouta Claim Saudi-Supplied Rebels Behind Chemical Attack. Rebels and local residents in Ghouta accuse Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan of providing chemical weapons to an al-Qaida linked rebel group.
By Dale Gavlak and Yahya Ababneh | August 29, 2013

The text is interesting, juicy, but large and bulky, to translate laziness, so read the original or Google to help ...

The main point, and the point is that the residents of the Syrian Ghouta and the "democratic" stationed near it, who were affected by the gas, whatever that means, the "rebels" in an interview with a Western correspondent curse the Saudis and Prince Bandar personally for the recent deliveries of chemical weapons to thugs from al-Qaeda operating in the area. And even though different opinions are expressed about this prince and his role in the events, the fact is the fact: living people under the camera are accused of provocation of the House of Saud.

One can add to this only that the author of the material, Dale Gavlak, under no circumstances can be considered "pro-Assad propaganda". She is a reputable journalist, with experience and authority, is published in the most respectable Western publications, and receives a salary even in The Associated Press, where she is appreciated as one of the leading experts on the Middle East. There is no reason to doubt her words.

I don’t think that now, when the "only correct version" was announced by Mr. Kerry himself, this can at least affect something. Wherever he sucked her. But to take into account and remember well, in my opinion, it is necessary. Because someday a lot of interesting things are to be heard about oneself and Russia, and when that happens, Mrs. Galvak's report will be small, by argument.

http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2376313.html

"Who Framed the Saudi Rabbit?"
http://hostingkartinok.com/show-image.php?id=70e0cf66a1da0e6c2441c758a8589e7e

[novobranets]

Wow, they sinned on the States (although there is no doubt, they couldn’t have done without them), but they didn’t think of a close, albeit shabby, neighbor. But they are fellow believers. The world is crazy.

[GREAT RUSSIA]

We will believe and hope that RUSSIA will not abandon Syria and protect it from these western coves.

[spirit]

it was necessary to allow bureaucrats to buy real estate only in Syria and transfer their cottages from rubleno-assumption to Damascus))))))))))))))))))))) then Assad would sleep peacefully like a baby. Native looted our toads will rush with a saber barely at least on the tank

[novobranets]

Tank they with their bare hands, they throw their ... der.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Syria’s deliveries of even the most advanced weapons systems will not work. The country is too small and surrounded by NATO bases. I hope they will stand to the end ..! Israel is there on the body of the Middle East Chiri! everything is coming from him .. an artificial country No one counted how many people died when Israel appeared in the center .. the main ones obviously evacuated .. And they poison from a lift to 3 world counting .. And they deployed it delivering a nuclear strike to all the countries nearby .. and dump England in the USA !!

[alone]

Quote: MIKHAN

Syria's supplies of even the most modern weapons systems will not work. The country is too small and surrounded by NATO bases.

in addition to what you said, you also need to take into account the factor that the positions of the opposing forces are mixed like a layer cake, it is possible that modern weapon systems (especially air defense missile systems) can be captured and put into the hands of amers. Consider yourself
gave the secret to the enemy

[GREAT RUSSIA]

I just looked at the map on another site, which belongs to News 24, the map shows the territories that belong to the Kurds, the army and the opposition. Here is a link if you want see http://www.vestifinance.ru/infographics/3071.

[alone]

territories north of Aleppo under complete control of the rebels. in this map, these areas are type under government control

[GREAT RUSSIA]

Obama needs congressional approval to strike in Syria, and the congress does not approve of it, so Obama hurried, Kemeron was like a hot head for Obama too, but he was also forbidden in parliament to start an attack on Syria, Germany also refused to participate in this operations. Also, in the event of an attack on Syria, Israel will be the first to suffer this country, since Syria’s strategic weapons are aimed at Israel so that Israel will take a big risk. And the risk is that hezbollah will do anything to save p Assad’s hedgehog, so that they will strike Israel.

[Novik]

Vladimir Putin advised the United States to "think carefully" before attacking Syria

Russian President Vladimir Putin considers the chemical weapons incident in Syria a provocation aimed at drawing other countries into the conflict, he said at a press conference in Vladivostok.

"Now government troops are advancing. Therefore, I am convinced that this is nothing more than provocation those who want to involve other countries in the Syrian conflict, and who want to gain support from powerful participants in international activities, primarily the United States, "Putin explained.

To speak in the conditions of the offensive of the Syrian army that chemical weapons were used by the forces of B. Assad, according to V. Putin, "utter nonsense."

Read more: http://top.rbc.ru/politics/31/08/2013/874232.shtml

[ReifA]

It seems to me that the United States has a problem with a strike on Syria, not only diplomatic, but also political (internal politics). The casualties among the soldiers will lead to protests. The launch of tomogavki, with limited success - to the questions "why the money was spent". After revelations with surveillance and general fin. it’s difficult to answer such questions. I hope these reasons will serve as additional. a factor in canceling the operation. And about the loss of a face by Obama - Duc from this very face, IMHO a little left.

[Novik]

Opinions with which I do not agree in everything, but interesting and, in my opinion, worthy of attention
1
"US will bomb Syria"

Intra-Western performances, such as the "anti-war vote of the British parliament" or the refusal of NATO countries to participate in the bombing of Syria, or the hesitation of France (either yes or no), none of this matters. These are all little things that can be explained by purely tactical considerations. Say, Britain is probably in this way trying to throw off the role of the main American mongrel on France and Turkey. London is once again trying to do a dirty business with someone else's hands, because even in the civilized world, the world of white gentlemen, there are those who are whiter and who are blacker. One way or another, but all these internal games do not take an inch away from the implementation of the strategic plan. Let us recall the 30s of the last century, how the West fostered and financed the same Hitler with one hand, and with the other allegedly fought against him, at the same time giving him the fatty chunks of Europe. However, all this worked for one single goal - to destroy Russia.
The current hesitation, among other things, is largely intended to create the illusion of democracy and pluralism. Against the background of previous operations, be it Serbia, Iraq or Libya, when all Western countries at the right time took under their auspices and acted in the best traditions of the damned totalitarianism, today's voluntarism of individual Euro-Atlantic players significantly improves the image of the "Empire of Good" and allows us to talk about the West again as shine of democracy. However, it seems to me rash to pass it off as a real split within the West or Washington's weakness. It should be understood that the West is not led by Merkeli-Cameron-Obama, and therefore it makes no sense to seriously react to their speeches and statements, public behavior and even decisions, if they are not final. The final decisions are not made by them and according to the logic of people whom we do not see and whom we do not know, and therefore their true intention is hidden from us and can be understood only by seeing the whole situation, and not in fragments. In this sense, the only thing that is important from what Western leaders have said over the past XNUMX hours is Obama's words that fundamental American interests are affected in Syria. By the very wording, one can feel that these are not so much Obama's words as the people standing behind him and holding control levers in their hands. Based on these words, one can understand that Syria will definitely be bombed.
If, God forbid, they still do not start bombing, then not because of the favor of the United States and not because of a split within the West, but thanks to some incredible backstage step by Russia.

http://russkiy-malchik.livejournal.com/353985.html

[Novik]

2
"USA will not bomb Syria"

I could be wrong, but I think that both Syria as a whole and Bashar al-Assad in particular will be useful to the "backstage" in the near future, safe and sound; but because at the moment - the game is not worth the candle and no one will bomb anyone.
The only exception will be if Russia enters the war (this would be an ideal gift for the West), but she does not enter the war.
Just for that, these “maneuvers”, “chemical attacks” and other tinsel were needed to draw Russia in. It didn’t work out ...
Note that the activity of the West began to decline sharply precisely after the press conference of Lavrov, who said one key phrase: "There will be no civilization war."
This is not just a loud word, it is an indication that our state understands the idea of ​​the Western bosses and sends them to the ass along with capitalism
The US does not need an open war with Syria, if Russia is not involved in this conflict
Russia understands all this very well, and only because of this, the bombing has not yet begun and is unlikely to begin at all.
In the long term, "Behind the Scenes" needs a powerful, but not friendly force in the Middle East. A kind of "Union of Muslim States" with a system of government - like North Korea: with the "Iron Curtain" and all the other attributes of the so-called "totalitarianism". Among other things, with the help of Muslims, Israel will be dismantled, which is now like a thorn in the well ... at this "backstage"
Syria, pumped up by Russian weapons, will become one of the centers of the new "Union". Therefore, the threat of bombing is a reason to arm the future monster at someone else's expense ...
Such a “state” would have to live the triple shortened life cycle of the USSR, which would extend the agony of capitalism by twenty to thirty years.
Therefore, for the United States there is no big difference - Assad can stand it now or not. So, as the USSR once resisted in World War II.
Who ultimately won in 1991? The one who launched the exact same process in 1917
There will be something similar, but much more accelerated
Although - I can be very cool wrong.
Denis Klimov

http://klimoff-den.livejournal.com/262410.html

[michajlo]

Novick SU Today, 15:23 PM
Good afternoon, dear Dmitry!
I agree with you in many ways. Thank you very much for the links and materials provided.

You are right that even at seemingly "small" events, it is useful to "look from afar" in order to understand
- at what stage is someone playing a multi-way game against the whole world,
- what role the "grandmasters of intrigue" have prepared for Russia and the post-USSR,
- and how can we avoid the role of "slaughtering sheep"
- and having understood all these "friendly business plans", how to make sure that Russia at the head of the post-USSR OVERWEARS all enemies and all our Soviet peoples live in peace and without hostility among themselves!

[GREAT RUSSIA]

What a pleasant feeling when residents of other countries thank your homeland, but still, it’s not the time to succumb to any sympathies, the enemy does not sleep, and there are many enemies, so they won’t let us calm down.

[Novik]

Quote: GREAT RUSSIA

What a pleasant feeling when residents of other countries thank your homeland, but still not the time to succumb to all sympathies

Pleasant, wide and merciful is our soul.
And we should not give in, even to sympathy, flattery, "copper pipes".
Sympathies are not worth much (temporary and quickly passing), saving, the whole world is dotted with bones.
It’s not worth giving in at all.
It is not difficult, it is necessary to constantly improve, stumbling, falling, getting up again and again ...

[GREAT RUSSIA]

I already wrote this yesterday, no kamikaze pilots and no air defense systems will help Syria in the event of an attack, let alone 200 missiles be shot, but amers have 360 ​​missiles, so the remaining 160 missiles will destroy the air defense systems, and other missiles will hit the stockpiles and ammunition, and there will still be bombs, so they will completely destroy the entire military infrastructure. And the remaining (or rather survivors) units of Assad’s army will be brutally finished off by militants.

[Yuriwhite]

You write such nonsense that even comment on laziness.

[morpogr]

I really want the trigger to misfire. Russia and China need to make a split and play in the ranks of the West on their differences.

[Technologist]

Damn, where are these blue splashing pools ?! They seem to have forgotten when the same "oppositionists" kept half of Paris in fear. Looks like it wasn't enough ...

[Novik]

Quote: morpogr

Russia and China need to split more

It is not necessary to introduce a split, since it initially carries negative energy.
“Russia and China need to make more“ changes ”in the ranks of the West” sounds close in meaning but carries a completely different (and positive :)) “energy”.
so or
"Russia and China need to make more 'changes' in the ranks of the West"

[Kibalchish]

Eh, Assad, Assad - not a raven you need to count and not wait as Hussein, Milosevic and Gadaffi were waiting.
And you yourself need to raise the aircraft 100 or 150 or 50. No matter. And fuck yourself. On ships. Set up a reptile for a second Pearl Harbor. They will bomb you anyway, and even victory will be for the whole world.

[Irokez]

Ehhh boy - bad guys, these provocateurs and advisers are immediately allowed into their consumption. And also advise spraying chemical weapons in neighboring countries and Syria in order to poison the militants before their death.

[Novik]

Quote: Kibalchish

And you yourself need to raise the aircraft 100 or 150 or 50. No matter. And fuck yourself. On ships. Set up a reptile for a second Pearl Harbor. They will bomb you anyway, and even victory will be for the whole world.

Why not the use of "OV" in the countries of "Europe and America"?
"Pearl Harbor" a symbol of defeat - the aggressors attacked and lost, receiving more and Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Do not and do not wish evil.
Better to let "Assad" die (if such is the fate) fighting and defending his country and people, and not as a crazy and dangerous aggressor for those around him.

[Novik]

"Kibalchish" stirred up a former wound.
I won’t lie, the desire to be peace-loving very often comes into conflict with the soul (?) and rebellious spirit (?).
I respond to a blow with a blow and very cruelly.
If it doesn’t work out, and at the same time I will survive, hide, prepare, and take revenge in the right place and at the right time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25DxhVBW8h4
Beautiful video, music (the remix of “how wonderful this world is” is magnificent), the words of the Oath 1-30 against all this background - they simply tear your soul, you realize that a wild beast is breaking out and I will even gnaw it with my teeth...
So, it was high time for “Assad” to mine Europe and America with chemical bombs.

[Kibalchish]

Guys, they are blatantly threatening aggression. And threats Americans fulfill theirs. Assad may simply lose all aviation right at the airfields. She will die just like that. And here there is a chance to win at least the battle.
Americans are accustomed to beating like a gopnik so that they will not be answered. And here is the answer before the blow. Maybe they'll think about it again. I see bombed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq... do you think this is better? Although yes, after this formally Assad will be considered an aggressor, but in reality everyone knows what’s what. This way he can buy time - more people will be able to move to safe places from the cities.
And with Pearl Harbor, yes, I gave an unsuccessful example - there was aggression in its purest form.

[Novik]

In defending himself, Assad can use all available means.
If the USSR-Russia (with such vast territories and rich reserves, including water) did not have nuclear weapons, we would have been mercilessly torn to pieces long ago.
And there are also chemical and bacteriological (with very evil microbes :)) weapons.
And our enemies must not forget about this.
To know and not forget not only that we have “this” weapon, but also understand and realize our readiness to use all “this” weapons, in cases of attack, the inevitability of punishment.

[Luga]

Yeah, only when it’s going to explode, you need to make sure that the wind is strictly east. Otherwise, from my house to, mind you, Europe, one hundred and fifty kilometers in a straight line.
The only problem is that our winds are mostly western...

[Novik]

Quote: Luga

Yeah, only when it’s going to explode, you need to make sure that the wind is strictly east. Otherwise, from my house to, mind you, Europe, one hundred and fifty kilometers in a straight line.
The only problem is that our winds are mostly western...

“When the heavy burden of the test falls, at the moment of accomplishment” (c), in which direction the wind will blow will no longer matter.

If the opportunity arises, I will try not to forget and take your wishes into account.

-Which option do you like better?

[Luga]

Any will suit me when the wind becomes strictly easterly. He will, you just need to all blow in the same direction together.
I’m not a supporter of the “let’s get into a mess and then we’ll figure it out” theory. Let's prepare the necessary wind and then take off

[Kolyan 2]

So off topic, our planes look elegant from the outside, while Western ones look like kites. Now the current has paid attention.

[Luga]

Sorry, mistake.
my post from 21:58 was in response to Novik’s post from 20:25

[Luga]

Drum on the Lawn spoke about Syria. He says let Congress decide to hit or not to hit. I think this is a victory...

[Apollo]

Quote: Luga

Drum on the Lawn spoke about Syria. He says let Congress decide to hit or not to hit. I think this is a victory...

Victory for whom?!
I have not the slightest doubt that Congress will give its consent to the bombing of Syria.
And yet, whose victory?!

[alone]

if Congress says yes, then the Americans will strike

[Arabist]

Of course it will if they say yes. Will they just say it? Looking at the events of recent days, I think there is a possibility that Congress will say no. The end is near.

[31231]

Agree. In my opinion, the war between America and the Rebels has been lost.

[GREAT RUSSIA]

Drum on the Lawn spoke about Syria. He says let Congress decide to hit or not to hit. I think this is a victory...

Well, you see, as I said, Obama will not attack Syria without the approval of Congress, I have already written this 3 times this day. By the way, what made him change his mind so quickly, apparently in Congress they poured ice water on his hot head. Now Holland is left , Erdogan, Prime Minister of Israel (forgot his first and last name) and the Saudis.

[Novik]

Quote: Luga

Any will suit me when the wind becomes strictly easterly. He will, you just need to all blow in the same direction together. wink
I’m not a supporter of the “let’s get into a mess and then we’ll figure it out” theory. Let's prepare the necessary wind and then we'll take off smile

Why the wind?
Syria has suicide bombers, a suitcase - London - Paris.
If they don’t let you on a plane, a submarine, or “a man in a black cloak, at the red-legged lantern, on Fridays, will be waiting with the goods”...
These are already minor and solvable technical details.

[alone]

Does Syria have submarines? There are no submarines in the Syrian Navy in 2008. 3 Project 633 submarines, previously in service with the Syrian Navy, have been withdrawn from service.

[poquello]

Quote: Novik

Why the wind?
Syria has suicide bombers, a suitcase - London - Paris.
If they don’t let you on a plane, a submarine, or “a man in a black cloak, at the red-legged lantern, on Fridays, will be waiting with the goods”...
These are already minor and solvable technical details.

Calling the FBI to please

“Washington, fearing terrorist attacks by supporters of the Bashar al-Assad regime amid reports of a possible attack on Syria, decided to strengthen surveillance of immigrants from the Arab Republic living in the United States.”
http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/9/1/648133.html

[GREAT RUSSIA]

Victory for whom?!
I have not the slightest doubt that Congress will give its consent to the bombing of Syria.
And yet, whose victory?!

So far there is no victory. And as for the congress giving the go-ahead, on the contrary, I doubt that if they had given the go-ahead, Syria would not exist now, or it would be conducting a heroic defense against Western troops, but we don’t see that either. I doubt that the congress will give the go-ahead for this war.

[Luga]

While Congress meets, while it discusses, while it makes a decision... Meanwhile, the chemistry commission will announce that nothing really has been found out, “the possibility that chemical weapons were used by government troops is not excluded” (“one against a thousand” - it will add each member of the commission to himself), approximately this wording will be. The case is postponed for at least a week, and most likely two. And then Congress will decide that there’s no need for this, because everyone will cool down, a supermarket will be robbed in Manhattan, another b...l will get divorced or married in Hollywood, a couple more TOMATOES will get married in Paris, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief and it’s up to them to decide nothing is needed anymore. Maybe Assad will make some kind of statement, saying, friends, thank you for your support in difficult times, we will henceforth fight terrorism together, we will build democracy, there will be new elections soon... In short, everyone is happy.

I may have gotten a little carried away about the victory. But there is definitely such a small victory.

[Russ69]

WASHINGTON, August 31 - RIA Novosti, Pyotr Martynychev. Washington is ready to act in Syria without the approval of the UN Security Council, US President Barack Obama said.
“We can move forward without the approval of the UN Security Council, which is completely paralyzed and does not want to hold Assad accountable,” Obama said.


RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/arab_riot/20130831/959923669.html#ixzz2dZwrqm2x

This makes everyone sick...

[gav6757]

God, save Russia from idiots and traitors, and we ourselves will somehow cope with the American soldiers!!!

[Novik]

Quote: gav6757

God, save Russia from idiots and traitors, and we ourselves will somehow cope with the American soldiers!!!

Regarding the traitors, I agree.
It will be more difficult with "morons".
- this is for specialists in psychiatry, and they, too, sometimes act weird.
Homosexuality, before 1992 worldwide, according to the World Health Organization (WHO) registry, was considered an unnatural mental disorder (disease), and then, under the influence of the (homosexual) public, it suddenly ceased to be such.
While there are no clear instructions on how to define anyone who disagrees with our opinion, we can safely call them “morons”
Regarding the "American warriors",
“Do not boast when going to the army, boast when going from the army.”
There is no doubt that Victory will be ours.
But, when was the last time you passed the standards according to the Soviet-era GTO standards?
Did you run and do pull-ups?
And also knowledge and skills.
There are no limits to perfection, a lot of interesting things can be found on
http://forum.guns.ru/forumtopics/151.html
http://forum.guns.ru/forumtopics/21.html
etc...
There is no desire to offend, but the “shaming” is annoying.
This message was not interesting to you, since you know and can do everything, and “eat American Green Berets for breakfast”?
- I respect you.

[Alexandr73]

I don’t put any cons on principle. Every person has the right to their opinion.
How is it that Russia “does nothing”? Doesn't take real steps? Have the bombings started? NO! And Russia does nothing after this? Who does it then? All open statements are bullshit. The main thing happens behind closed doors. I don’t know what the GDP threatened Europe with, but they changed their mind about bombing something.
And regarding supplies, all these “sources close to...” HR.N. No one will ever say how much, what, where and when was delivered. Everything else is DUCK. Wishful thinking.

[Novik]

Quote: Alexandr73

I don’t put cons in principle

Aren't the "advantages" important?

"Pros", "cons".
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Quote: Alexandr73

Every person has the right to their opinion.

No intention to offend, just joking.

[Novik]

Execution cannot be pardoned (I will take the liberty to evaluate in this way everything that I saw, heard, understood and realized)
The American President said
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXk5C59ArtU

He decided to execute, but transferred the execution and time of execution and, most importantly, responsibility for this to the US Congress.
Красиво.

[Axel]

But until recently, the attitude towards Russia in Syria was very warm - in Soviet times, many Syrians graduated from Russian universities. But the blatant failures of Russian foreign policy, when Moscow openly opposed itself to the population of Syria, siding with Assad (at least that’s how it looks in the eyes of ordinary Syrians), have led to the fact that the people of Syria now consider us enemies. The vast majority of Syrians are Sunnis, and Russia protects the Alawite (Shiite) minority, the political elite of the authoritarian regime.

[vladsolo56]

You need to at least think a little about where and what to write, and not consider everyone stupider than yourself

[w.ebdo.g]

I disrespect the writer of this post... you are a stupid person. Or PROVACATOR.
You seem to be on the wrong site. You should write where the supporters of the swamp are located. Here they will support you and teach you the pros, but here, excuse me, only the cons)))

[I am]

Wrong door!!!! Go out and try again, but in a different place!!!!!

[kartalovkolya]

Al-Jazeera's Qatari concoction Your statement and photo! And we saw interviews with Syrian soldiers and officers (especially tank crews) - they express the kindest attitudes towards Russia and the GDP, and this vile propaganda has nothing to do with the Syrian people. Shame on the corrupt sing along with the aggressor and the enemies of the Syrian people!

[31231]

What cute sheep, like Navalny's hamsters. Happy about the revolution. Early 2012?! Now some are lying in the ground, some of the SAR have surrendered, and the most frostbitten are in An-Nusra.

[bbss]

And the video is funny. They noticed the absolute mediocrity of the candidate. I already have a persistent allergy to “madam”...

[clidon]

If I were the Syrians, I would rely more on my other ally - Iran. Those have higher enthusiasm and the military is more reckless and has much more interests to get involved in than ours.
If we put aside the fact that “Syria is the last frontier” (I remember recently the last frontier was Mr. Gaddafi), and they are our ally (inherited from the USSR), then especially tear and throw for the “family country” of Comrade Assad, The Kremlin has almost no justification, other than purely geopolitical ones. Moreover, as early examples have shown, sometimes in such cases of escalation of NATO military activity, it is better to simply take tickets in the front row (as in Iraq or Afghanistan) and wait for them to understand what they have gotten themselves into. It turns out that for geopolitics it is sometimes better to just stand aside.
Syria has never helped the USSR in any way, the country (through the efforts of the Assads) is simply poor. Not long ago we forgave them a debt of 10 billion dollars. So that they make more debts.
Therefore, politically, yes, we should help Damascus, support it and blame the Americans. Let them continue to waste their energy, while enriching the Russian treasury with money from the sale of oil, which after such adventures simply jumps in price.

[alone]

Quote: clidon

Iran. Those have higher enthusiasm and the military is more reckless and has much more interests to get involved in than ours.

There are no crazy military men. A military man is obliged to carry out an order. As for Iran, I’ll say yes. you are right. today in Syria the fate of Iran is being decided. Syria and Hezbollah (in fact, Iran’s expeditionary force in Lebanon) are Iran’s only allies in the Middle East. the end of Assad means that Iran is losing leverage in the region. but, there are certain facts. when Israel In 2006, he attacked Hezbollah, but we didn’t notice any missile attacks on Israel. But we heard a lot of political statements. Iran is now having a hard time economically. Sanctions have brought the Iranian economy into a deplorable state. Even financial assistance to Syria is carried out with difficulty. And what to expect in the event of an attack in Syria, Iran will open a second front. I doubt it 99%. In the current situation, it is not profitable for Iran to fight with the West.

[31231]

What was China doing in Vietnam and Korea?! The main thing is people, and weapons can be borrowed from us and China. And I can’t understand why throwing axes puts an end to Assad and the Syrian Arab Republic?! How long did the Americans bomb Vietnam and Korea?! Have you won?

[clidon]

China fought in Korea and supplied weapons to Vietnam. Russia, even if it really wants to, will not be able to help either one or the other. We don't have a common border.

[nerd.su]

Quote: clidon

Russia, even if it really wants to, will not be able to help either one or the other. We don't have a common border.

Hello, we've arrived! But how did the USSR supply weapons to Vietnam during the war with America, and then with China? Damn, we don’t have a common border with Angola, and we didn’t have a common border with Syria during the Arab-Israeli wars, but they helped somehow...

[clidon]

The USSR supplied weapons by sea. It’s just that it’s difficult to do this during bombing, and neither Vietnam, nor Syria, nor Angola were bombed in those days, or the attacks were carried out sporadically. Therefore, after the operation begins (and this will most likely be soon), we will not be able to do anything serious to help Damascus.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

The USSR supplied weapons by sea. It’s just that it’s difficult to do this during bombing, and neither Vietnam, nor Syria, nor Angola were bombed in those days, or the attacks were carried out sporadically. Therefore, after the operation begins (and this will most likely be soon), we will not be able to do anything serious to help Damascus.

Yah. Alternatively, Iran will help, and we and the Chinese will help Iran.

[clidon]

Iran has no borders with Syria. There are still more people here and there, but equipment, and through Iraq...

[poquello]

"Iraq demanded that the United States refrain from attacking Syria"
http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/9/1/648172.html

[clidon]

You have not forgotten that until recently on this site Iraq was called nothing less than an “American puppet.” ) And now it turns out that even the worst enemy will be sent in in columns.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

You have not forgotten that until recently on this site Iraq was called nothing less than an “American puppet.” ) And now it turns out that even the worst enemy will be sent in in columns.

So to those who called and present, I have my own opinion here. In Iraq and Libya, the collective farm is dawning. It’s difficult to calculate the turns of events now, especially for the Americans, where are they going? Are they dragging their herring to help or to slaughter?

[clidon]

So your opinion is interesting about a state that is dependent on the United States and traditionally hates Iran (and, to be honest, does not like Syria, after it took part in Desert Storm) allowing cargo and equipment for Assad to pass through the territory.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

So your opinion is interesting about a state that is dependent on the United States and traditionally hates Iran (and, to be honest, does not like Syria, after it took part in Desert Storm) allowing cargo and equipment for Assad to pass through the territory.

Is Iraq a state now? Collective farm dawn - whoever stood up first is the chairman and the leadership of Iraq understands this very well, but traditions tend to change.

[clidon]

You have a strange understanding of the situation in Iraq. There is no anarchy there.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

You have a strange understanding of the situation in Iraq. There is no anarchy there.

This is strange for you, Iraq is not stable with a tendency towards rapprochement with Iran. No anarchy, just explosions.

Quote: clidon

traditionally hating Iran

[clidon]

Iraq is a state with a police force, an army, and foreign and domestic policies. Moreover, it is completely dependent on the United States. Regardless of whether there is a religious war on its streets or not.

[nerd.su]

Quote: clidon

The USSR supplied weapons by sea. It’s just that it’s difficult to do this during bombing, and neither Vietnam, nor Syria, nor Angola were bombed in those days, or the attacks were carried out sporadically.

Vietnam sporadically? The ports of Vietnam were constantly bombed and mined, periodically they promised not to bomb Haiphong, but they kept breaking the promise. Our transport ships were periodically demonstratively fired upon and “accidentally” bombed. A combat zone was declared, a blockade was established, and searches were possible.
Syria wasn't bombed? Yes, because during the Vietnam War, our Navy in the combat area was represented by several submarines and “scientific” vessels. And near Syria there was already the 5th squadron, which could cover the bottom of the Mediterranean Sea with the wreckage of the 6th fleet. And Syria was still bombed, the Israelis did not stand on ceremony and our warships suffered. But ours, however, tried not to remain in debt.
And the South Africans fought with Angola; they were not strong enough against our Navy. Nevertheless, sabotage was carried out regularly.
So the main thing is not to worry, just like the crews of unarmed Soviet transports in Vietnam. Moreover, even if not the fifth squadron, there is some grouping of warships off the coast of Syria.

[clidon]

Exactly, sporadically. It is known that regular bombings took place from February 1965 to October 1968 and from April 1972 to January 1973, and even then with great reservations, since the USSR constantly opposed attacks on the cities of North Vietnam, as well as the world community in general, demanded clearly defined “ military zones." Therefore, our civilian ships transported huge volumes of aid, and then the Americans tried to prevent it from reaching the South. The “tension” of attacks on our transport workers is best told by statistics. How many Soviet ships were sunk there by American vultures? How many sailors died? The same applies to Syria - what ships and vessels were sunk if they attacked and interfered like that.
There is nothing to say about the current period - one civilian ship with weapons has already been detained - as a result, they had to drag the gifts with landing punts. Therefore, not to mention the fact that I generally doubt such a need, the possibilities now are an order of magnitude smaller than in the Soviet Union. Certainly no one in Moscow will start a full-scale war (with a transition to a nuclear one - otherwise there is very little chance of resisting the NATO Navy) because of Syria, which is far away and generally of little interest to anyone in Moscow.

[nerd.su]

Quote: clidon

It is known that regular bombings took place from February 1965 to October 1968 and from April 1972 to January 1973, and even then with great reservations, since the USSR constantly opposed attacks on the cities of North Vietnam

So now Obama is generally promising a short-term two-day operation.

Quote: clidon

How many Soviet ships were sunk there by American vultures? How many sailors died?

Is it a matter of quantity? There were such cases.
02.06.1967/67/1 in the port of Kamfa the Turkestan was fired upon - 6 hits, XNUMX sailor was killed, XNUMX were wounded.
29.06.67/XNUMX/XNUMX, Haiphong, Soviet transport "Mikhail Frunze" was damaged by an aerial bomb. In addition to the Soviet ship, other ships were also damaged.
6 civilian sailors were posthumously awarded orders and medals.
In Syria, ours resolutely suppressed attempts to put pressure on our ships. Two Israeli planes were shot down in Latakia. Naturally, let's get down to business.
Do you think that now the Americans will directly sink our ships? Our civilian ship is detained? And under whose flag did he fly?
Does it make sense for Americans to get involved in a nuclear war with us? Same thing.
Is Syria interesting to few people in Moscow? Do you mean yourself? Do you think the opinion of Muscovites, like other Russian citizens, is of concern to the Russian leadership? Only to that extent will it arouse the sympathy of the electorate.
Any person who knows history understands that if you don’t stop the aggressor in Syria, you will have to deal with him at home. Sooner or later.

[clidon]

I wrote “EPISODICALY”. ) Here are TWO (maybe there were even three) episodes during the entire long campaign of the Vietnam War, when the Americans inflicted significant damage (with two sailors of the civilian fleet officially killed in the entire history of deliveries, even 6) to Soviet ships. This is with the assertion that, supposedly, Soviet sailors overcame bombings and mines. This was the opposition...

Do you think that now the Americans will directly sink our ships?

I fully admit that the Americans (and why only them) can detain our civilians regardless of the flag they were flying under. And it will be unpleasant if the equipment is confiscated. Let's say the Dutch.
At the same time, what kind of nuclear war are you talking about? This is quite an ordinary event. We will stomp our feet, quarrel, give notes, and we will be faced with the choice of sending, like earlier landing ships, to carry something under the protection of the fleet, or spit and forget. And the military fleet in the conflict area is already a serious request for escalation, and our forces are a priori smaller and weaker than NATO’s. Is it necessary for the sake of Syria? Lavrov has already answered, as it were, that we will not fight for Assad’s sake. And he is absolutely (for once) right. This is where I started my first post.

Any person who knows history understands that if you don’t stop the aggressor in Syria, you will have to deal with him at home. Sooner or later.

The aggressor is against us or against Syria? We have a bad habit of considering all processes in the world to be directly related to Russia. We have nuclear weapons and that is the only reason why we can even stand on our heads indefinitely. And the collapse of another long-term eastern power is unlikely to affect our position. On the contrary, it is more likely to strengthen; we just need to use the right rhetoric and wring our diplomatic hands in time.

[nerd.su]

Quote: clidon

This is with the assertion that, supposedly, Soviet sailors overcame bombings and mines. This was the opposition...

Now there is not even that. So there is no reason to be afraid and not send your ships.

Quote: clidon

I fully admit that the Americans (and why only them) can detain our civilians regardless of the flag they were flying under. And it will be unpleasant if the equipment is confiscated. Let's say the Dutch.

However, during the Vietnam War, the Americans periodically inspected our ships. But during the Arab-Israeli wars, no one inspected it. For our FMF was vigilant. Particularly valuable transports were generally escorted. So our warships in the eastern Mediterranean are needed now.

Quote: clidon

We have nuclear weapons and that’s the only reason why we can even stand on our heads indefinitely.

Our naive “overseas friend” (in quotes because you may be Russian, but your soul is clearly overseas), look at the political map of Eurasia. Color green Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Syria, then Iran, Azerbaijan, Central Asia. Then color our predominantly Muslim Caucasian republics, as well as Bashkiria and Tatarstan, green. And there are also green stripes throughout the Volga region, the Urals and Western Siberia. And then it will become clear to you that nuclear weapons will not save us. The infection of extremism must be suppressed in the Middle East. And it would be nice to crush the state, the main ideologist and sponsor of terrorism, which created Al-Qaeda. And he sang along from Saudi Arabia...

Quote: clidon

And the collapse of another long-term eastern power is unlikely to affect our position. On the contrary, it is more likely to strengthen; we just need to use the right rhetoric and wring our diplomatic hands in time.

Somehow, the collapse of Gaddafi brought us nothing but complete material and moral losses, no matter how much we wringed our hands. And the collapse of Saddam too. We must finally draw real conclusions, not liberal delusional ones.

[clidon]

Now there is not even that. So there is no reason to be afraid and not send your ships.

That's how they walk now. True, just in case, the landing “punts”, but they go. When the war starts, they won’t go.

Particularly valuable transports were generally escorted. So our warships in the eastern Mediterranean are needed now.

I’ll start repeating myself - no one “back then” put much pressure on our ships for obvious reasons. He didn’t shoot (even when there was an opportunity, and the Navy was nowhere near), and he didn’t check the cargo. The world was on the brink of nuclear war and no one wanted to particularly strain relations.
Now the situation is completely different and we are no longer the same and our motivations have generally changed. No one will organize an Armageddon for some vague purpose.
And this is good.

Our naive “overseas friend” (in quotes because you may be Russian, but your soul is clearly overseas), look at the political map of Eurasia. Color green Afghanistan, Iraq, North Africa, Syria, then Iran, Azerbaijan, Central Asia.

Let's do without our favorite forum activity - hanging labels and issuing nicknames, unless of course you are a schoolboy.
If you are talking about the fact that Islam is advancing and we must suppress it exclusively in Syria, then I am surprised at our good relations with Iran, which has always been distinguished by its sponsorship of radical Islamism, the assistance of all sorts of “Hezbollons” and “Hamas”, from which it is just a stone’s throw to “ Muslim brothers”... The last one to get punched in the teeth from us was Orthodox Georgia.

Somehow, the collapse of Gaddafi brought us nothing but complete material and moral losses, no matter how much we wringed our hands. And the collapse of Saddam too. We must finally draw real conclusions, not liberal delusional ones.

Well, you need to choose your friends correctly, and demand money in advance, and not on the hundredth loan, and in such a way that after our “friends” roll their eyes and generally “don’t understand what kind of money this is” (as they did in Damascus at one time )? By the way, in Libya, our position is gradually being restored. The only major loss today is the contract for the Yak-130, and Gaddafi did not conclude the largest military contracts with us. Russian Railways and oil workers are already working there, the Libyans asked for help in training the military specialists. Our weapons began to be supplied to Iraq, etc.

[nerd.su]

What a stubborn person you are!
Now we have capitalism, so on the state. transport is cheaper than chartering someone. And the landing ship is its own guard. And there are brave and disciplined movers.

Quote: clidon

When the war starts, they won’t go.

What won't they be? Did they tell you about this at the General Staff or directly at the presidential administration? It seems to me that war will not start. Otherwise, why would the Americans hesitate? Then our RK and BOD will come up, then in general the probability of a nuclear war will increase. The main thing for us is to be in time before September 9, or better yet, before 8. So that Congress takes it into account. Well, many will want to wait for the report of UN experts. And there they will completely calm down. Indeed, no one needs an apocalypse because of Syria. The main thing is to show that we are determined to make it happen.

Nobody pressed then, that means. And why? Because under escort. Try firing at a civilian ship while it is being escorted by a military ship. The Israelis then lost several aircraft.

Well, you tried to turn the topic of Islam around. However, Iran and its anti-Israeli terrorists are not at all the same as Libya and Al-Qaeda. The question is who sets the fire and for what purpose? The goals of Iran do not concern us much yet, but those who are trying to build a new caliphate with the help of mercenaries and fanatics - these goals can directly affect us. Georgia didn’t get hit in the teeth for being Orthodox. And because she barked from behind the United States’ back.

Choosing your friends wisely? And who should you be friends with? Russia is too big a country for anyone to want to be friends with it. One policy. Here are the terms to negotiate, yes. And why, by the way, did the United States help Egypt so much? For nothing, as one Israeli comrade recently argued in a neighboring article. And then suddenly they started to stop helping? We weren't friends with the wrong people, however...
Are Russian Railways and oil workers working in Libya now? And share the links where it is written that they are working, and not making plans and talking. Otherwise there are only intentions.

[clidon]

What a stubborn person you are!

You have two traditional options - stop writing here or admit that I’m right. ))

Now we have capitalism, so on the state. transport is cheaper than chartering someone. And the landing ship is its own guard.

Oh, well, don't make me laugh like that. ) A military ship is cheaper than a civilian one! With loaders. Don't say that to anyone else.

What won't they be? Did they tell you about this at the General Staff or directly at the presidential administration? It seems to me that war will not start. Otherwise, why would the Americans hesitate?

Lavrov has already said “We will not fight for Syria.” On the one hand, the Americans are reluctant to arrange it, but they won’t run away with their tail between their legs.

Indeed, no one needs an apocalypse because of Syria. The main thing is to show that we are determined to make it happen.

What if they are not afraid? Then we are a “North Korean loser.”

Well, you tried to turn the topic of Islam around. However, Iran and its anti-Israeli terrorists are not at all the same as Libya and Al-Qaeda.

Yes, of course - there are good, right terrorists and evil, wrong ones. Russia loves the former, but not the latter. I wonder what is the conversion time from a good terrorist to a bad one? Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the UAE are among the most stable countries in the world. They don’t attack anyone themselves (by the way, “good” Iraq, Iran, Libya themselves tortured their own people and generally barked like hell), they don’t blow up anything themselves. Talk about a great caliphate, about a great Islam, but actions are on the side of the infidels. We feel this and are trying to earn extra money from this ourselves - we were ready to supply weapons to the Saudis, but the UAE has and continues to supply them. Don’t find it strange, on the one hand we seem to be against it to the point of gnashing teeth, but on the other hand we are trying to make friends.
And the fact that Iran is not dangerous for us now is how everything changes. And unlike others, he is our southern neighbor.

I mentioned Georgia only based on your “religious” background of opposition to the great evil. Of course, I agree, we gave in to Georgia so that they would not forget who is boss in the region. I'm not delighted with such actions, but at least they are logical.

Choosing your friends wisely? And who should you be friends with? Russia is too big a country for anyone to want to be friends with it. One policy. Here are the terms to negotiate, yes. And then suddenly they started to stop helping? We weren't friends with the wrong people, however...

Nobody says that finding real allies (and not Damascus with Cuba and Iran) is easy. Of course, much of what we have left is the Soviet political legacy, when, for objective and subjective reasons, the whole of Eastern Europe is ratting on us. We are not even able to establish relations with Belarus, let alone Ukraine.

And why, by the way, did the United States help Egypt so much? For nothing, as one Israeli comrade recently argued in a neighboring article.

And why do they tear their shirts and go there to fight?

Are Russian Railways and oil workers working in Libya now? And share the links where it is written that they are working, and not making plans and talking. Otherwise there are only intentions.
At least they don't refuse us there.

The fact that there is a dialogue is already bread. Considering the state of the country. Iraq has already concluded contracts.

[clidon]

On the other hand, oil is expensive and becoming more expensive, so by tightening its belts, Iran may well be able to further build up its muscles. For him, the war for Syria may be more ideological than pragmatic.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

...then the Kremlin has almost no justification for tearing and throwing for the “family country” of Comrade Assad, other than purely geopolitical ones.

Keep your honestly earned minus and go where everyone else is invited.
Russia did not harness itself for Assad, but for normal democratic elections.

[clidon]

Well, if we are for fair democratic elections, then we should have bombed Assad much earlier. ) In the meantime, this is precisely work for a useless, but still no-one, but an ally inherited from a superpower. It’s a kind of suitcase without a handle, it’s a shame to throw it away and hard to drag.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

Well, if we are for fair democratic elections, then we should have bombed Assad much earlier. ) In the meantime, this is precisely work for a useless, but still no-one, but an ally inherited from a superpower. It’s a kind of suitcase without a handle, it’s a shame to throw it away and hard to drag.

What do you base your speculations on? Assad announced reforms and elections, there is no opposition, the US needs to directly transfer power to it, a herring on the collar of this opposition, because it will not win in fair elections.

[clidon]

Assad announced them only when there was a smell of frying, and before that he only shook his head. And he calmly took power from dad.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

Assad announced them only when there was a smell of frying, and before that he only shook his head. And he calmly took power from dad.

And what does that change?

[clidon]

This changes everything, if you are talking about democracy, of course.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

This changes everything, if you are talking about democracy, of course.

And what is this word “everything”? There is a ruler, there is his position - “the people of Syria will say I will leave,” only that insignificant scumbag is that it is not the people of Syria who are fighting with him.

[clidon]

Well, when they pinned him against the wall, he remembered Arode. ) Moreover, Assad never said how to find out the word of that very people in the conditions of “Asian” democracy.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

Well, when they pinned him against the wall, he remembered Arode. ) Moreover, Assad never said how to find out the word of that very people in the conditions of “Asian” democracy.

So the point is clear, the most experts in democracy are the president of the police state and the Arab monarchies.

[clidon]

Well, certainly not the eastern heir of his dad. )

[boris]

Here Comrade Santor spoke very convincingly of how difficult it is for a commander to
write funerals for dead soldiers. Yes, it's hard. But it's integral
part of the military profession. Which is chosen VOLUNTARILY. While they exist
states with their own (often very acute) contradictions, there are
and the army. From time to time, these armies carry out military operations and die in them.
chick soldiers and officers. But on this site I have not yet seen calls for
see the army as such. Or maybe he overlooked it?

[alone]

If the army is liquidated today, the country will be liquidated tomorrow.

[yuri p]

"As long as they exist
states with their own (often very acute) contradictions, there are
and the army." But even if there are no contradictions, the army must exist; it’s not for nothing that they say “if you don’t want to feed your army, you’ll feed someone else’s.”

[sonik-007]

It seems to me that even if the Syrians don’t have the money now, it is imperative to supply them with radar + anti-ship missiles and high-defense missiles.
Let it be in debt, but supply... train specialists urgently, while there is time. The geopolitical gains may far outweigh the costs of arms supplies.
And in general, we need to support the Syrian people.

[Alexander P]

Do our large landing craft cruise back and forth for sunbathing? )))

Raids Russia - Syria for 9 months:
08.12.12 "Novocherkassk" and "Saratov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
27.12.12 "Azov" and "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
01.01.13 "Novocherkassk" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
09.01.13 "Azov" and "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
09.01.13 "Saratov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
12.01.13 "Novocherkassk" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
14.01.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
17.01.13 "Azov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
2? .01.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
04.02.13 "Azov" and "Saratov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
07.02.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
21.02.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
25.03.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
12.04.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
14.04.13 "Azov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
??. 04.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
23.04.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
30.04.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
05.05.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
1? .05.13 "Azov", "Alexander Shabalin" and "Kaliningrad" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
19.05.13 "Azov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
??. 05.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
23.05.13 "Admiral Nevelskoy" and "Relight" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
27.05.13 "Azov" and "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
17.06.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
20.06.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
01.07.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
13.07.13 “Alexander Shabalin” and “Kaliningrad” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
??. 07.13 "Azov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
26.07.13 "Azov" and "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
31.07.13 “Minsk” and “Alexander Shabalin” - from the Mediterranean Sea.
??. 08.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
11.08.13 "Minsk" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
17.08.13 "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
18.08.13 "Admiral Nevelskoy" and "Relight" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
20.08.13/XNUMX/XNUMX "Azov" and "Alexander Shabalin" - to the Mediterranean Sea."

[clidon]

And what geopolitical gain will Russia have if Assad remains in power? Just wondering. We work for a distant bright future and give money to Damascus.

[elenagromova]

The United States is looking for gains by unleashing a new large-scale war.
Russia defends justice.
And this is not just about the power of Bashar Al-Assad. Although, as Heine said, when one honest person is hit, all honest persons experience pain. The stakes are much higher. International law is at stake. The fate of the world is at stake. Will the world live according to some laws or will everything finally turn into the solid iron heel of the United States?

[clidon]

All this “justice” and “honest” faces is a beautiful cover for geopolitics. It contains Assad, as I already said, with all his pros and cons, rather a legacy with which, out of habit, we have some kind of obligation.
And we have already mastered international law in Georgia in one place. When it was profitable.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

All this “justice” and “honest” faces is a beautiful cover for geopolitics. It contains Assad, as I already said, with all his pros and cons, rather a legacy with which, out of habit, we have some kind of obligation.
And we have already mastered international law in Georgia in one place. When it was profitable.

In Georgia everything was fair. They warned that if he climbed, he would get ripped off.

[clidon]

I give you a more than strange understanding of international law, for which people have torn their shirts off here.

[poquello]

Quote: clidon

I give you a more than strange understanding of international law, for which people have torn their shirts off here.

Will you ask the Serbs about law?

[clidon]

You will already decide that for you international law is the laws that we comply with and demand their implementation. Or such a variable that we perform or not depending on whether we were offended, whether it is beneficial to us, etc.

[Dwarfik]

Quote: Maks-80

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: krpmlws

Hmm, it is sad that the Russian Federation will not take real steps to prevent war.

And what do you think the real steps should be?

For example, to airlift four or five Iskander aircraft to Syria. One to target Turkey, one to Israel, one to Jordan, one to SA. I am sure that after that all the desire to fight the amers and their mongrels will disappear)

Good afternoon friends! About 5 Iskanders this is of course strong! what do you want to do with their help? And the Americans have not attacked yet and are not supplying weapons - because not everything is so simple! The big game is on! but simply taking and bringing them weapons is not a far-sighted move < which will give an extra trump card for the press and inflation at the international level! Look how the world community is now against the amers! Do you think the Americans are that stupid to get involved in this state of affairs? I don't think so!

[VladimS]

This news angered me. Of course, I do not know what the rulers of Russia are washing. It is regrettable if the money issue has become so important for Russia. Especially voicing these problems at this point. In my opinion, they could have waited with statements about "pauses and suspensions". In the end, Russia has forgiven Syria about 12-13 billion dollars for forgiving another couple of billions. After all, we are beating in the chest that Syria is our last frontier.

Stop moaning. We do not know and do not see the whole “picture” of events.
And they are developing rapidly. Intelligence and counterintelligence work is generally inaccessible, and rightly so.
Dez needs to be thrown in correctly. Let them think that we are stuck on payment, that we are greedy...
We will find out more details perhaps in ten years, if we find out at all.

[Egor.nic]

The article and materials are great!

[maklaut007]

Yes, faith in miracles and in Russia is very good. It's nice when they believe. Only now, having more than half a century behind me and numerous examples of how believers then crap in response. A joke I recently heard is constantly spinning in my brain - A dad and a boy are walking in the park, and they see Bobby climbing on a bug and fucking. A boy comes to his dad with a question. Dad replies that the dog’s legs hurt and the second one is taking her. And then the boy, after thinking, asks a question - Dad, why do they do this to the good...??

[voliador]

You can't knock down tomahawks with hope.

[poquello]

Quote: voliador

You can't knock down tomahawks with hope.

Well, in general there are shells, but what kind of hope is there?