Kolomna Kremlin took the lead

In connection with the leadership of the Kolomna Kremlin in the Russia-10 multi-media competition, the flow of tourists to the city increased several times, said Sergei Barabanov, chairman of the city administration’s youth work committee, at an operational meeting at the head of the Kolomna city district.

"We see an increased interest in our ancient city by a significant increase in the number of sightseeing buses and unorganized tourists, as well as by increased visits to museums, exhibitions and excursions in the Kolomna Kremlin and other sights," said S. Barabanov.

He added that the support of the Kolomna sight was promised to the townspeople by the acting governor of the Moscow region Andrei Vorobyov during one of his visits to Kolomna.

In the Moscow region, many city administrations have posted on their official websites information about the choice of the country's symbol by means of a popular vote, local media also talk about the competition, the Interfax correspondent reports.

Currently, there is a struggle between two cultural and historical objects - the Kolomna Kremlin and the mosque to them. Akhmad Kadyrov's "Heart of Chechnya" in Grozny, the second largest online contest.

Comments

[Denis]

"Heart of Chechnya", let it remain a symbol of Chechnya.

[Crocodile]

HOORAY!!!!
Maybe the organizers of the competition will share data on the number of suckers in Russia? They say that the "poor Chechens" were ordered to send three SMS messages ...

[AleksUkr]

Moreover, given the fact that the number of SMS per day is not limited. There are not three SMS messages per smell, based on the number of residents of Chechnya. There are millions of rubles from the Russian budget laid. SOMETHING IT WAS NEEDED!

[GreatRussia]

Quote: AleksUkr

There are millions of rubles from the Russian budget laid. SOMETHING IT WAS NEEDED!

It is little consolation that these millions sailed away from Chechnya. In the region of 100 million, it seems that the Chechens invested in a vote for the second round. And they will invest as much, if not more, for the latter.

[GreatRussia]

The last round definitely should be without voting SMSkami.
Otherwise, this is profanity.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Crocodile

HOORAY!!!!
Maybe the organizers of the competition will share data on the number of suckers in Russia? They say that the "poor Chechens" were ordered to send three SMS messages ...

Yes, they just equipped the headquarters of "bots" who are sitting and scribbling text messages around the clock ... Ramzan Dyrov is already all out of herself, she says she will complain to the courts - it's good when a person has nothing to do .... The head of the republic is busy arranging a "carousel" on some kind of media project.

[Crocodile]

Continuation of the show ...
Ramzan Kadyrov demanded that Beeline and Megafon return the money spent on voting for the Heart of Chechnya mosque in the competition of Russian symbols. The head of the republic wrote about this on his instagram.
And it seems that he was already an adult man, or again with protection he would start to drive the unwanted around the hotel?

[Dober]

Quote: Crocodile

And it’s kind of like an adult man,

"Fyodor is great, but the bearded velma ..."
/ nar. last /
According to some interpretations of Asian philosophies (not only), a "beard" (secondary sex characteristic) is given to a male individual to "connect to SPACE".
Akhmad has the same insignificant (in terms of area) "hairline" used to connect to the Kremlin ...

[416sd]

That's right, my Muslim position.
Absurdities are not necessary.

[AleksUkr]

Mosque to them. Akhmad Kadyrov's "Heart of Chechnya" in Grozny - Historical Site? When did he become one? Cultural for Chechnya - I agree. But not historical. Although for the future of Chechnya it may and will become historical. How much money Allah sent for its construction.

[Basileus]

So there they do not vote for historical objects, but vote for symbols. True, the symbols in our top ten are somewhat monotonous - several churches and Kremlin, two mosques, new buildings, a Buddhist temple and a dubious sculpture park. It feels like we have a competition for religious symbols. From nature - only one volcano. Neither the Motherland, nor Lake Baikal, nor the Valley of Geysers are in the top ten. And what to take from a commercial competition? After six months, the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company will announce a competition for some other symbol, and again everyone will start to wind up, and again there will be a strange top, and the television people are happy to make money.

[Ljubomir]

It feels like we have a competition for religious symbols. From nature - only one volcano. Neither Motherland, nor Baikal,

And Baikal and the Motherland were yesterday afternoon, Everything changed at night.

[afire]

not in vain I tried fried from all possible computers)))
and then the impudent pumping up of the rating with the help of a team of sms'niks somehow smelled of fumes, and at the same time Kadyrov also complains about the left cheating, well, what's the matter, even now you can see how the Kremlin and the mosque have different ratings rising

[Dober]

Quote: afire

not in vain I tried to fry from all possible computers

Delighted with your skills in cryptography. There is such a "captcha" that after two times leads to a frenzy.

Quote: afire

Kadyrov also complains about the left cheat

He always complains. And for this he was rather robust. It is with these "federal funds" that he fires up SMS messages.
He has nothing more to do ...
Wahhabi repainted, loafing loafer and Kremlin dish ...

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Lubomyr

And Baikal and the Motherland were yesterday afternoon, Everything changed at night.

Why were you?
They fall into the last round, in the thirty, from which they will choose ten symbols in the last round.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Lubomyr

It feels like we have a competition for religious symbols. From nature - only one volcano. Neither Motherland, nor Baikal,

And Baikal and the Motherland were yesterday afternoon, Everything changed at night.

The first 30 places go to the finals. So that's all there.

[GreatRussia]

Quote: Basileus

It feels like we have a competition for religious symbols. From nature - only one volcano.

Wipe your eyes and see that mostly parks and reserves have remained outside the 30 leaders.

http://10russia.ru/results_4

Although the pillars of weathering or the Smolensk wall can still overtake the Dagestan fortress Naryn-Kala.

[Basileus]

Wipe your eyes, I talked about the top ten.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Denis

"Heart of Chechnya", let it remain a symbol of Chechnya.

That's it. Apparently common sense triumphed. And then at such a pace the capital will move from Moscow to Grozny.

[experienced]

Quote: Denis

"Heart of Chechnya", let it remain a symbol of Chechnya.

Now I’ll probably tell sedition, but it seems to me that the country cannot have a symbol! There may be historical monuments, architectural monuments, nature reserves, etc., but you do not need to make a symbol. This, some kind of artificial demarcation, for example, for me, the Motherland is associated with the Volga, someone with his village, someone remembers a field where his father used to take lunch to his father’s combiner on a bicycle, and then the BAH will get ...
I don’t know why and who invented it, but I probably spent the budget money on the project, and someone “welded” on the cost of SMS messages

[Warrawar]

Quote: seasoned

Now I’ll probably tell sedition, but it seems to me that the country cannot have a symbol! There may be historical monuments, architectural monuments, nature reserves, etc., but you do not need to make a symbol. This, some kind of artificial demarcation, for example, for me, the Motherland is associated with the Volga, someone with his village, someone remembers a field where his father used to take lunch to his father’s combiner on a bicycle, and then the BAH will get ...
I don’t know why and who invented it, but I probably spent the budget money on the project, and someone “welded” on the cost of SMS messages

Of course, the competition is stupid. It does not carry within itself any positive element, but sows ethnic / interregional discord.
As a result of this competition, objects will be erected in the park "Russia in miniature" near Moscow. Then it is not at all clear why they started this competition? Why it was impossible to do without a vote - just make a "Mini Russia" and arrange objects in accordance with the geographic location ... And no one would be offended.
Although the meaning of the "project" is clear, they just shook the money.

[Fantomac]

Final: September 1, 2013 - September 29, 2013. The beginning of the final vote is 12:00 Moscow time, the end is 12:00 Moscow time. Do not forget to vote every day for three votes for free on the site http://10russia.ru/ All for whom Russia is not an empty phrase, you need to consolidate as well as Muslims!

[Denis]

Quote: Denis

"Heart of Chechnya", let it remain a symbol of Chechnya.

Head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov removes the Heart of Chechnya mosque from participation in the Russia 10 competition. This was reported by the press service of the Chechen government.

The head of Chechnya took such a step, as he is sure that the results of the vote do not correspond to the real number of votes cast.

We have every reason to be sure that the votes cast for the Heart of Chechnya mosque by the millions were not taken into account, despite the fact that the money went to the accounts of the operators MegaFon and Beeline, - R. Kadyrov said.

He also added that from now on he does not intend to answer calls coming to him from MegaFon and Beeline subscribers.

The Russia 10 competition is held by the Russia 1 TV channel and the Russian Geographical Society. The goal of the project is officially called "maintaining a steady interest in Russia as an object of domestic and international tourism."

Throughout the entire voting, the Heart of Chechnya Mosque was in the lead among the participants, but last day it lost first place to its main competitor to win the competition - the Kolomna Kremlin. More than 36,8 million votes were cast for the Heart of Chechnya, and almost 37,5 million for the Kolomna Kremlin.

Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/30/08/2013/874143.shtml

[Wedmak]

Head of Chechnya Ramzan Kadyrov removes the Heart of Chechnya mosque from participation in the Russia 10 competition.

Offended? When the mosque was in the lead, they danced, but how did it come down to the second place, they scoffed and were offended? Like an 8-year-old kid, by golly.

[Ruslan_F38]

Quote: Wedmak

Like an 8-year-old boy, by golly.

And who is he, of course, a kid, in my opinion he is a little over 30. And even wild. This is not an offense, they are not offended, this is anger at us, for what we did not manage to buy, for the fact that justice has triumphed, for the fact that "lohanul" in front of their highlanders.

[Ruslan_F38]

MOSCOW / GROZNY, August 30 - RIA Novosti. The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, demanded that cellular operators return the money that the residents of the region spent on voting for the "Heart of Chechnya" mosque in a show jumping of the symbols of Russia.

"The announced results do not correspond to reality. Millions of votes cast for the Heart of Chechnya were not taken into account. The money went to the operators' accounts. We demand from the mobile operators Beeline, Megafon and the Russian Geographical Society an immediate return of all money spent by citizens when voting in the competition." he wrote on his Instagram page. Read more >> - "fries not childishly". He also had to add - "if you don’t return the loot, I’ll send my bearded boys to you and put the Russian Geographical Society on the counter." And this character is the PRESIDENT of the Chechen Republic, the head of an entire people! Simply theater of the absurd.

[Wedmak]

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, demanded that mobile operators return the money

Um ... I think they drank a little wine there ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, thank God!! and then they started to panic .. I also voted for him. It's not artificial but natural beauty, you just look at the photo with warmth and grandeur! (and there are a lot of current ones in Russia)

[S_mirnov]

Thanks to everyone who helped defeat the Kolomna Kremlin !!!
And how nice to read:
"The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, announced on Thursday evening about possible violations in the final stage of the Russia 10 competition, following which the symbol of Russia will be determined, and promised appeals from the State Duma deputies to the TFR and the Prosecutor General's Office in connection with" outright fraud. " that it (participation in the competition. - Gazeta.Ru) will unite Russians and help revive moral and spiritual values ​​in the country. "
http://news.rambler.ru/20763910/

[Wedmak]

The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, said ...

But the head of Chechnya did not explain how sideways the mosque belongs to historical monuments? New building. Cultural and religious significance - yes, I agree. Beautiful - yes, I agree. But not a historical monument ...

[Denis]

Quote: Wedmak

But the head of Chechnya did not explain how sideways the mosque belongs to historical monuments? New building. Cultural and religious significance - yes, I agree. Beautiful - yes, I agree. But not a historical monument ...

The historical maximum development of a limitless budget ...

[Basileus]

The competition is called not 10 historical monuments of Russia.

The aim of the project is to maintain a steady interest in our country as an object of domestic and international tourism, a story about the unique geographical, architectural and historical sites of Russia, the formation of a new wave of “geopatriotism” in the regions.

So anything can participate in the competition - the main thing is that the people support. And we see how the people "support". Many would vote for something else, but thanks to Comrade Kadyrov, the people vote for Kolomna.

[Wedmak]

a story about the unique geographical, architectural and historical sites of Russia

What is the uniqueness of the Chechen mosque for Russia? By cultural and religious significance, it is equal to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow. The only difference is that the temple was created in the 19 century, and the mosque in the 21.
So where is the temple in the vote and where is the mosque?

[Basileus]

The Cathedral of Christ the Savior was built in Moscow in 1997. So you can call the Kazan new building Kul-Sharif six hundred.

And what is unique? Wikipedia will help without me. For example, it is the largest mosque in Europe. But in terms of religious significance, it does not reach the HHS; Moscow and Ufa mosques are fighting for primacy.
The construction is really beautiful, but not for the first place in Russia.

[Wedmak]

The Cathedral of Christ the Savior was built in Moscow in the 1997 year.

Not built, but restored. Feel the difference.

But according to religious significance, it does not reach the HHS

I don’t know, Muslims should be asked, their view of this is wider.

The construction is really beautiful

No questions. Made very beautifully.

[Basileus]

Well, the mosque in Kazan has also been restored. And at the same time it remains a remake, as well as the HHS, because you can only restore the blown up building, on the site of which the pool was, by burying the pool and building a new building. The same. But new.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

What is the uniqueness of the Chechen mosque for Russia? By cultural and religious significance, it is equal to the Cathedral of Christ the Savior in Moscow. The only difference is that the temple was created in the 19 century, and the mosque in the 21.
So where is the temple in the vote and where is the mosque?

HHS still draws on the symbol. The temple was erected in honor of the victory of Russia over Napoleon in the early 19th century.
This temple is also a symbol of the revival of Orthodoxy. The temple is recreated after centuries of destruction.
And the Dyrov mosque also draws on a symbol .... on a symbol of theft, corruption and hypocrisy.

[S_mirnov]

Quote: Warrawar

And the Dyrov mosque also draws on a symbol .... on a symbol of theft, corruption and hypocrisy.

Now, for such words on this site, you can get "anti-religious" by the cap is now banned! Now about priests and temples, either good or nothing.

[Dober]

Quote: S_mirnov

Now about priests and temples, either good or nothing.

Case in the middle group of kindergarten:
- Moderators, and Comrade. S_mirnov ardent communist, Trotskyist and internationalist. Be-be-be-be ....
He with ghouls saturday shabbat ... if not to say abruptly.
And on Marx under the covers at "quiet hour" draw looking ...

But seriously ...
Tov. S_mirnov Can I already lower the switch in the ziggurat? Light is now dear. And let this Lenin-Blanc corpse wither or dry up. Then dawn or repatriate tries.
To me, too, "Sleeping Beauty" ... From that at least some sense was ... And commercial use. Her heroes secretly photographed for "PlayBoy". And from this only the stench and metaphysical filth ...

That would be in the "Symbols of Russia", not temples. Yes?????
Enough! This trash was already a symbol stigma ....

[Wedmak]

Eka crushed you ... Although, in essence, they are right: Lenin has long had to be buried humanly. The USSR has left, but everyone remembers it, but what for do we need in the center of the capital the mummy of the leader of the Communists? I’m not that I don’t like them ... I just need to ... leave the past alone.

[S_mirnov]

Quote: Wedmak

The USSR has left, but everyone remembers it, but what for do we need the mummy of the leader of the Communists in the center of the capital?

I think when a post-perestroika dope flies over Russia, the role of Vladimir Ilyich will be appreciated and recognized. Now they are again realizing the role of Stalin, waking up in the brain - the mind. And the matter will also reach the role of Lenin. After all, people already understand that in order to destroy the system of values, it is necessary from the beginning to spoil the people who created this system of values.
In the end, no one is annoyed by mummies in the Kiev Pechersk Lavra or in the Hermitage. They are not afraid of mummies, they are afraid of the memory of People and the ideas realized by these People.

[Dober]

My unforgettable "lawyer" -dad instilled in me a lot.
Incl. and such a principle "you can not respect a person - but you MUST respect your age."
I agree with him ...
Why didn’t they contact me directly? Looking for an accomplice? We tried to find him in the form Wedmakand. but read it carefully "Lenin must have been buried for a long time humanly. The USSR has left, but everyone remembers it, but what for do we need the mummy of the leader of the Communists in the center of the capital?"

Years to you, dear, not less than 70.
Eternal MEMORY, as though it’s never too late, but with what (or with whom) grandchildren will live ...
It's never too early ...

[Tersky]

Quote: S_mirnov

Now, for such words on this site, you can get "anti-religious" by the cap is now banned! Now about priests and temples, either good or nothing.

They don’t look for good, they don’t meet him, they don’t wait for him .. They’re doing it ... You are doing the opposite. The minus is clear, or how?

[S_mirnov]

Quote: Tersky

They don’t look for the good, they don’t meet him, they don’t wait for him .. they create him.

I consider atheism a good outlook, and religion a bad one. Why I can’t talk about it, I don’t understand.

Quote: Tersky

The minus is clear, or how?

Not clear, please explain.

[Denis]

Currently, for the right to be considered a symbol of Russia on the Internet, there is a struggle between two cultural and historical sites - the Kolomna Kremlin and the mosque named after Akhmad Kadyrov's "Heart of Chechnya" in Grozny, taking second place in the online competition

Drawn and provocative!
Everybody knows about Kolomna and know for a long time, and another piece of news flows into the media stream

[serge-68-68]

Filkin read all these "voting". Kadyrov indirectly announced that the votes were cheated, blurting out that "millions" of Chechens voted for the mosque, our authorities silently turn the counter ... It's bad when a generally good idea is turned into a field of ideological battles. Personally, I consider the Russian peasant a symbol of Russia, whose monument (do not count as advertising :)) was erected in Tambov.

[Tersky]

Quote: serge-68-68

. It’s bad when, in general, they turn a good idea into a field of ideological battles.

Sergey, ! In this case, the idea turned into a way to launder money. My subjective opinion: the symbol of Russia is Russia itself.

[serge-68-68]

:) OK! Russian man with Russia! :)

[Revolver]

Well, then it was not in vain that he came in and voted.

[Dangerous]

It is sad, of course, that in this competition "Russia 10" a primordially Russian centuries-old structure and recently built with "leftist" money in a national republic with a population of 1300 million people are fighting for the first place ...

[416sd]

What difference does it make for what money. Let the Chechens themselves and the guests of the republic, and all.

Those. the mosque should not be the leader at the all-Russian level, this is absurd. But the fact that Kolomna is leading should not belittle the mosque at the local level.

Should one exclude the other? (Unless of course ignore all problems with migrants, cattle, etc.).

Russia is an empire, not Honduras.

[Dober]

Quote: 416sd

Those. the mosque should not be the leader at the all-Russian level, this is absurd.

And what is the absurdity. The fact that the prevailing population of Russia, and not all professing Islam (or nothing "not professing anything) did not rush to vote for this UNHISTORICAL remake?
Something I doubt that those same Muslims Bashkirs or Tatars preferred the Grozny mosque to "their" Kul-Sherif. Despite the fact that their number is several times greater than the Chechens.

I would have a choice between, for example, this mosque or the centuries-old Azerbaijani or Dagestan tower ... I would choose the last ...

[tverskoi77]

Quote: 416sd

Russia is an empire, not Honduras.

judging by the recent events with Belarus, and the results of this competition, Russia is on its way to Honduras.
Can we invite the president of the Union State to our place in the Kolomna Kremlin and justify the capital there? Once the state is allied, and Kolomna is the leader.
In any case, the roads will be excellent and high-quality milk, and criminals will sit.

[svp67]

Quote: Dangerous

It is sad, of course, that in this competition "Russia 10" a primordially Russian centuries-old structure and recently built with "leftist" money in a national republic with a population of 1300 million people are fighting for the first place ...

Normal phenomenon. Everyone is proud of what they have, each region has provided its own "pearl" ... Whoever has it natural, who has it handmade, ancient or modern - people choose. And what happens to the voting is quite understandable, the one who is more organized and focuses his efforts on one thing always wins ... But the "Heart ..." has no chances, at the moment when something affects the feelings of the inhabitants of the "inner "Russia, we know how to unite and fight back ...

[Dangerous]

svp67"at the moment when something affects the feelings of the inhabitants of" internal "Russia, we are able to rally and fight back ..."

We are able, but I’m only absolutely sure that the majority do not even know about this contest, and of those who know, few have voted. Where is the promotion in the media? In Russia, 1/2/24 only occasionally a commercial about this event goes and that’s all. In Chechnya, I’m sure that all institutions have been instructed to vote for the mosque

[svp67]

Quote: Dangerous

Where is the promotion in the media?

I don’t know about you, but over the last week, our radio calls for voting - almost “The enemy is at the gates ...” and “What did you do for our victory ...” with the corresponding reports "SovInfomBuro" and you know, our "Nevyanskaya Tower" has gained a lot, and today there are also young people at the "dam", we have such an attraction, it wakes up an action in support, with access for everyone to computers, to vote ...

[AleksUkr]

Quote: Dangerous

recently built with "leftist" money in the national republic

TOLERANCE, O D N A K O!

[rugor]

The Kremlin is beautiful, you will need to call in and see.

[svp67]

Quote: rugor

The Kremlin is beautiful, you will need to call in and see.

Caution, sometimes these "guards" go

[Nayhas]

I suppose I wonder how the mosque in Grozny, which was seen either by the Chechens themselves, or by the security forces sent to Chechnya, was able to take second place? Those. out of 142 million Russians, no more than 2 million people could see her, why is there such popularity that as many as 33647745 votes? Lake Baikal, which for millions of years has a rating of only 1,5 million ... This is not a vote, this is zdets ...

[carbofo]

That's the whole humor that they impose on us for our money, built on our own money is the sanctuary of an illiterate prophet!
Bullshit.
Exclude from voting.
Due to the fact that paid.

[Basileus]

Jesus, by the way, was also most likely illiterate, but for some reason you don’t mention this)

[Warrawar]

Quote: Basileus

Jesus, by the way, was also most likely illiterate, but for some reason you don’t mention this)

Jesus did not call for the extermination of "unbelievers."

[Basileus]

And Muhammad did not call.

And what have the wrong ones? Here the question is about the inability to read and write prophets. Not only do you lead the conversation away, you do not understand the meaning of the word "infidels" at all, repeating what extremist preachers say. The Quran clearly distinguishes between pagans (infidels) and monotheists (people of the Book and others). But you parrotly repeat interpretations that are beneficial to both Islamists and Nazis of various persuasions, without even trying to take the book into your own hands and read it.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Basileus

And Muhammad did not call.

Called for.

Quote: Basileus

Not only do you lead the conversation away, you do not understand the meaning of the word "infidels" at all, repeating what extremist preachers say.

The thing is that these "extremist preachers" are in charge of the Islamic world and they determine who is "faithful" and who is "unfaithful" and they also interpret the Qur'an in their own way, to please the current situation.

Quote: Basileus

The Quran clearly distinguishes between pagans (infidels) and monotheists (people of the Book and others)

Who cares what the Koran says? As the mule said, what sheikh issued the fatwa, so it will be.

The most savage Islamic countries are Qatar and Saudi Arabia, these are the countries that profess "true" Islam. This is confirmed by the fact that the "prophet" Muhammad "was born on the territory of the SA and from there the militant Islamization of the East began. And Mecca is in SA. And the infidels are not allowed into Mecca (all non-Muslims - Christians of any persuasion, including). And all the leading "Musalman universities" are located in the SA and it is from these "universities" that the newly-minted "imirs of Tatarstan" come to fight with the Russian giaurs, etc.
So, that a fairy tale about "the most peaceful" religion or "you first read the Koran" is not necessary .... the lending is fresh, but hard to believe.

[Basileus]

Called for.

What is your evidence?

In general, it is clear that conversations with militant ignorant nationalists do not add up, so I won’t delay the end of this fruitless conversation.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Basileus

In general, it is clear that conversations with militant ignorant nationalists do not add up, so I won’t delay the end of this fruitless conversation.

Indeed, why conduct a discussion if you can call your opponent an "ignorant Nazi" and then slam the door in English, assigning yourself the status of a winner ...
2 (191). And kill them [the infidels], wherever you meet them, expel them from the places from which they expelled you, because for them delusion is worse than death at your fingertips.

2 (193). Fight with them until disbelief disappears and faith in Allah is established. If they cease [to be unfaithful], then there should be no hostility, except to the wicked.

3 (28). Believers may not be friends with unbelievers besides believers. And if someone is friends with unbelievers, then he will not deserve any reward from Allah, except when you are in danger from them.

3 (85). If anyone chooses a religion other than Islam, then such behavior will not be approved, and in a future life he will be among the victims.

5 (10). And those who did not believe and considered our signs a lie, those are the inhabitants of the flame.

5 (33). Verily, those who fight against Allah and His Messenger and commit wickedness on earth will be killed in retribution, or crucified, or their arms and legs cut off from them, or they will be driven out of the country. And all [this] for them is a great shame in this world, and in the next life [awaits] their great punishment.

8 (7). And so, Allah promised you one of the two units that he will be to you; you would like for you to have no weapons. And Allah wants to establish the truth in His own words and cut off the unbelievers to the last.

8 (12). [Remember, Mohammed] how your Lord inspired the angels [sent to help the Muslims]: Verily, I am with you. So give support to those who believe! I sow fear in the hearts of those who did not believe. So chop off their heads and chop off all the fingers (13). [in revenge] for avoiding obedience to Allah and His Messenger. If anyone shies away from obeying Allah and His Messenger, then Allah is strong in punishment.

8 (17). It was not you [O believers] who killed the infidels, but Allah slain them. It was not you [O Muhammad!] Who threw [a handful of sand] when you threw it; Allah threw it in order to put the believers to a good test of Himself.

8 (39). Fight the infidels until they stop seducing [the faithful from the path of Allah] and until they worship only Allah.

[Wedmak]

Vladislav, I was looking for a translation of interest ... and so, he is not the only one. Which one of the following is true?

Ayat 191:
Kuliev

Kill them (polytheists), wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you. Temptation is worse than killing. But do not fight them at the Sanctuary Mosque until they fight you in it. If they start to fight you, then kill them. Such is the retribution of unbelievers!
Osmanov

Kill [unbelievers], wherever you meet them, expel them from the places from which they expelled you, because for them unbelief is worse than death at your fingertips. And do not fight them at the Forbidden Mosque until they fight with you in it. If they fight [at the Forbidden Mosque], then kill them. Such is the reward of the unfaithful!
Krachkovsky

And kill them wherever you meet, and drive them out from where they cast you out: after all, the temptation is worse than killing! And do not fight them at the Forbidden Mosque until they fight with you there. If they fight with you, then kill them: such is the reward of the infidels!
Porokhova

But do not fight with them at the walls of the Holy Mosque,
Until they touch you
And if they all start the battle in this place,
Kill them, -
That should be the recompense of the unfaithful.
Al azhar

And kill those who started the battle with you, where you will meet, expel them from Mecca - your homeland - from where they expelled you! Feel free to do it - because they did worse to you! In order to avert believers from Islam, they subjected them to such torment in Mecca that believers in Allah left their homeland, taking away their faith. Forbidden Mosque - Holy and do not trample it. But if unbelievers disgrace her by fighting with you there, kill them, and you will defeat with the help of Allah. Such is the reward of the unfaithful!

[Wedmak]

In addition to the previous one:

Ayat 192
Kuliev

But if they stop, then Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Osmanov

If they evade [from battle], then Allah is forgiving, merciful.
Krachkovsky

If they hold on, then ... for Allah is forgiving, merciful!
Porokhova

But if they stop, -
Allah is forgiving, merciless beyond measure!
Al azhar

If they hold on and embrace Islam, Allah will forgive them what they did before and spare them. For Allah is Forgiving, Merciful!

That is, if you read 191 and not read 192, you get terrorism. And if you read both, you get protection for yourself and your territories.

[carbofo]

Quote: Wedmak

That is, if you read 191 and not read 192, you get terrorism. And if you read both, you get protection for yourself and your territories.

An approximate translation into Russian from my point of view is this.
I warn you right away that a comment will not draw on perfectly calibrated text, so do not take it literally.
and so proceed:
I began the first verse si, and although they are pretty different in interpretations from the point of view of the criminal code, they are nevertheless similar in meaning.

Kill them (polytheists), wherever you meet them, and expel them from where they expelled you. Temptation is worse than killing. But do not fight them at the Sanctuary Mosque until they fight you in it. If they start to fight you, then kill them. Such is the retribution of unbelievers! Ottomans

In other words, where did you go there you can kill everyone who is not of your faith.
Actually, if you were kicked out, you can go back and kick them out.
(A universal theme, Naham, kicked out, returned kicked out all, Gopniks are resting)
Everything is clear with the temptation, do not be tempted to kill, kill. (A wonderful example of an ideal excuse, I did not want to rape my grandmother for 90 years, she tempted me herself, from a speech of a black man in court in the USA, without comment)
Came to put a mosque type according to the law, and then try to come and expel! (Further we read the beginning and it turns out, a vicious circle.)
The second part:

But if they stop, then Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
Osmanov

If they betray their people and join you, do not kill them, well, in general, it is logical - collaborators and traitors have always been and will be everywhere, alas, such a person is by himself.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

Vladislav, I was looking for a translation of interest ... and so, he is not the only one. Which one of the following is true?

Which is true? which is most suitable for a specific situation, that and true.
As I say, there are hundreds and thousands of these interpretations / translations. Almost every Islamic theologian interprets in his own way ... and there are also "fatwas".

[Wedmak]

I say, there are hundreds and thousands of these interpretations / translations.

Yes, but you immediately call Islam not a peaceful religion. With the same success, and in the same way, we can call Christianity. Just reading the interpretation of the Bible by all sorts of leftist movements. And even remembering the history of the Middle Ages.
PS
I do not advocate either Islam, or Christianity, or any other religion. I'm not a believer at all. But I consider it necessary to respect the faith. Until this faith brings evil.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, but you immediately call Islam not a peaceful religion

By their fruits, know them

Quote: Wedmak

With the same success, and in the same way, we can call Christianity. Just reading the interpretation of the Bible by all sorts of leftist movements. And even remembering the history of the Middle Ages.

The fact is that the "Middle Ages" are no longer in the yard, though apparently not all of them.

Quote: Wedmak

I am not a believer at all. But I consider it necessary to respect the faith. Until this faith brings evil.

Well, I’m talking about the same thing .... And now look at what religion, at the moment, brings the greatest evil to the world.

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The punishment for reading the Bible in Saudi Arabia
The right hand is crushed. Four fingers and a thumb cut to bones 40 or 50 times. Muscles and nerves are torn to make hands useless in the future. In addition, the punishment is carried out in unsanitary conditions and a person receives serious infections almost certainly.
P.S. Good to all ..

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, but you immediately call Islam not a peaceful religion. With the same success, and in the same way, we can call Christianity. Just reading the interpretation of the Bible by all sorts of leftist movements. And even remembering the history of the Middle Ages.
PS
I do not advocate either Islam, or Christianity, or any other religion. I'm not a believer at all. But I consider it necessary to respect the faith. Until this faith brings evil.

By the way, another moment .... look which countries are aggressors in the modern day. This is the United States, with its faithful allies - Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and a number of sixes from NATO.

[Wedmak]

The United States is deeply "believing" Christians. CA, Qatar is actually radical Islam, Israel is Christianity, sixes from NATO are generally a wild mixture of Christianity, Islam and liberals.
So, everyone is good.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

CA, Qatar, is actually radical Islam

SA and Qatar are "true" Islam.

Quote: Wedmak

Israel - Christianity

Israel is Judaism. By the way, Islam is a "superstructure" to Judaism.

Quote: Wedmak

the sixes from NATO are generally a wild mixture of Christianity, Islam and liberals.

The sixes from NATO are religiously impersonal.

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wedmak

Yes, but you immediately call Islam not a peaceful religion. With the same success, and in the same way, we can call Christianity.

Denis, the fact is that both the Bible and the Koran were written at a time of general obscurantism. The people were not educated and frankly wild. In other words, it was simply impossible to convey to him “What is good and what is bad”. In our time, this causes a double interpretation because the level of education has increased by an order of magnitude. The world is stuck waiting for a new religion ...

[Wedmak]

I agree, people's brains have begun to work better ... it’s a pity that they are often not in the right direction.

The world is stuck waiting for a new religion ...

But I didn’t even think about it ... But, it seems to me, a new religion will be created already on the rubble of the old ...

[Nayhas]

Quote: Wedmak

But I didn’t even think about it ... But, it seems to me, a new religion will be created already on the rubble of the old ...

Damn, it always has been, you can recall Zoroastrianism, the earliest known religion with a single god. Zoroastrianism has become a prologue for Christianity and, accordingly, for Islam, not without reason the people professing Islam previously professed Zoroastrianism (in the sense of the peoples of Asia and the Middle East). The world has long been waiting for a new religion, because and Christianity and Islam contain many contradictions that are obvious to an educated person who can reason.
PS: evolution is fair for EVERYTHING.

[Warrawar]

Quote: Nayhas

Damn, it always has been, you can recall Zoroastrianism, the earliest known religion with a single god. Zoroastrianism has become a prologue for Christianity and, accordingly, for Islam, not without reason the people professing Islam previously professed Zoroastrianism (in the sense the peoples of Asia and the Middle East)

That's all right. Indeed, Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic faith and was very widespread. Until the Muslim conquest and forced conversion to "the most peaceful religion" began.

[carbofo]

Quote: Wedmak

But I didn’t even think about it ... But, it seems to me, a new religion will be created already on the rubble of the old ...

Rather, on the ruins of civilization, but it will be a different story

[Warrawar]

Quote: Nayhas

Denis, the fact is that both the Bible and the Koran were written during the time of universal obscurantism.

The Koran was written much later than the Bible, it was not even written, but simply "rewritten" from the Old Testament, the Gospel and the Avesta.

[Warrawar]

9 (3). And the call from Allah and His messenger to the people on the day of the great Hajj that Allah renounces the polytheists [Christians] and His messenger. And if you turn, then it is better for you, and if you turn away, then know that you will not weaken Allah. Delight those who disbelieve with painful punishment,

9 (5). And when the forbidden months end, beat the polytheists [Christians], where you will find them, seize them, besiege them, ambush them in any hidden place!

9 (14). Fight with them, Allah will punish them with your hands, and disgrace them, and will help you against them, and heal the chest of believers.

9 (23). O you who believe! Do not consider your fathers and brothers to be friends if they have chosen unbelief in faith. And those of you who are friends with them, they are sinners.

9 (29). Fight with those who do not believe in Allah and on the last day of Judgment, who do not consider it forbidden that Allah and His Messenger forbade, who do not obey the true religion - those who are sent down the scripture until they give their own redemption, being humiliated.

9 (30). And the Jews said: “Uzayr is the son of Allah.” And the Christians said: “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” These words on their lips are similar to the words of those who did not believe before. May Allah strike them! How disgusted they are!

9 (36). Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the writings of Allah on the day that He created the heavens and the earth. Of these, four are forbidden, this is a persistent religion: do not do harm to yourself in them and fight all against polytheists [Christians], as they all fight against you. And know that Allah is with the God-fearing!

22 (8). And among people there is one who bickers about Allah without knowledge, and without guidance, and illuminating books, (9). turning his neck to lead astray Allah. It is a shame for him in the near world, and on the day of the uprising We will make him taste the punishment of fire.

22 (19). Here are two enemies who were at enmity about their lord; those who did not believe, clothes were cut out of fire, boiling water was poured on their heads. (twenty). From this melts what is in their womb, and (their) skin. (20). There are iron hooks for them. (21). Whenever they want to get out of suffering from there, they will be returned there and ... taste the torment of fire!
25 (52). Do not obey the infidels and fight them with this great struggle!

47 (4). And when you meet those who did not believe, then - a blow to the neck with a sword; and when you make a great beating of them, then strengthen the bonds. 5. And if Allah desired, He would punish them Himself, but He wants to test one of you through others. And for those who are killed in the way of Allah, He will never lead their deeds out of the way: 6. He will lead them and keep their condition in order 7. and will lead them to paradise, which He gave them to know.

[Wedmak]

So, that a fairy tale about "the most peaceful" religion or "you first read the Koran" is not necessary .... the lending is fresh, but hard to believe.

Well, religion can be peaceful, but through the mouths of the interpreters it has become a global disease. Christianity, too, at one time did not shine with virtues. And also through the fault of God's scriptures interpreting in their own way ...

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

So, that a fairy tale about "the most peaceful" religion or "you first read the Koran" is not necessary .... the lending is fresh, but hard to believe.

Well, religion can be peaceful, but through the mouths of the interpreters it has become a global disease. Christianity, too, at one time did not shine with virtues. And also through the fault of God's scriptures interpreting in their own way ...

Peaceful religion, peaceful ... read above.

[Wedmak]

Peaceful religion, peaceful ... read above.

I read it, went to look for translations ... not everything turned out so unequivocally. I answered you above.

[carbofo]

Quote: Basileus

And Muhammad did not call.

And what have the wrong ones? Here the question is about the inability to read and write prophets. Not only do you lead the conversation away, you do not understand the meaning of the word "infidels" at all, repeating what extremist preachers say. The Quran clearly distinguishes between pagans (infidels) and monotheists (people of the Book and others). But you parrotly repeat interpretations that are beneficial to both Islamists and Nazis of various persuasions, without even trying to take the book into your own hands and read it.

Practically few people can read the Quran adequately, because a religious person is already inadequate in essence.
Further, the Koran is written in Arabic, but not modern but in the old, and written in poems, figuratively speaking how do you imagine reading poetry in Ukrainian knowing only Russian ?, this is an approximate analogy.
That is, there are few native speakers, and even the Koran is written in verses, there you still have to sweat to catch up with the meaning, but as a rule everyone draws a coat of arms for themselves.
Illiterate is like what is written in a book! the main thing is that a respected person said, while he is not taken to a madhouse to make sure that everything is fine with him!
And as I already mentioned, a religious person is no longer a priori friendly with his head.
Because from the point of view of common sense, the belief in "what is not" looks strange.

[carbofo]

WarrawarJesus did not call for the extermination of "unbelievers."

By the way, by the way.

[carbofo]

Quote: Basileus

Jesus, by the way, was also most likely illiterate, but for some reason you don’t mention this)

About the prophet it is argued that he was precisely illiterate.
These are not my words, this is claimed by his religious followers.
"Most likely" is not a statement in any way, so I don't think it's worth mentioning.

[Gardamir]

I don't understand anything. Occasionally dropped in and voted this mosque suddenly appeared, already in second place. And suddenly on the first. Yesterday came the mosque was, as always, ahead, today for the night suddenly the Kremlin. Of course, I will be glad if the first 10 places are taken by Russian miracles and shrines. But the fact that this service "muddy the waters" is for sure!

[Dober]

Quote: Gardamir

But the fact that this service "muddy the waters" is for sure!

If desired and appropriate knowledge / capabilities in the field of IT, a lot of bank money is "muddied". With degrees of different protection, and then voting.

"This is devils
Turbid water in the pond.
Churchill invented all this
In the eighteenth year "
/ V.S. Vysotsky /

CHUROV me CHUROV ...

[ed65b]

Welcome all. I am glad that my little efforts led to the victory of Kolomna. Without diminishing the beauty of the mosque, let it become a symbol of the new Chechnya. And the symbol of Russia will be ours, the Russian Kremlin.

[ZSU 23-4]

Early rejoice gap in 30 minutes halved

[Ljubomir]

08.50 in 30 sec. the mosque gained 40 votes (from 000 thousand to 34 thousand, while on average both she and the Kremlin in average gain 066-34 each in a min) and the day before noticed such jumps.

[carbofo]

I wonder who saw her at all. except for a couple of hundred thousand Chechens?
In general, I think this rating is completely pointless.
Russia has always been personified by the Cathedral of St. Basil the Blessed, there is no need to carry out meaningless rebranding actions.
As for tourism in Russia, I’m not going to look at the church in any region, and if a monastery is of any interest, it’s only because of architecture.
We still did not have enough mass religious running around Russia; the existing one does not look like the senseless event that takes place in Mecca, for example.

[urich]

Personally, my opinion is that this all turns into an element of Vorobyov’s election campaign. And then no one warned Kadyrov ... Well, he began to compete with the suburbs. This Kolomna Kremlin stood for centuries ... And fuck no one needed the last years. For ignorant information: the main wall was dismantled into brick under the Soviet regime, when the system of material was not enough! Yes, and the last one .. but they removed it from the walls two years ago. Over the past month, we have received a warning twice, every day we vote for the Kolomna Kremlin. I went here on the site to see what else is there besides the wall in Kolomna and the mosque in Chechnya. Found a lot of interesting things! And in my opinion, more worthy places than the Kolomna wall and the mosque!
Oh, well done Victor Stepanovich with his "We wanted the best, it turned out - as always!"

[EGORKA]

Everyone overtook Kadyrov) They promoted the vote, I think so: since Chechnya is a part of Russia, then it has the right to nominate its sights for the competition and there is no need to be indignant here, everything is according to the rules and according to the law. But the rate at which the votes were replenished, of course, raises questions. I have a feeling that all of Chechnya is only doing what is voting)) I saw myself that in 5-10 seconds it was increased to 100 votes, and in 2-3 hours about 3 million votes came, I don't understand why the Chechens provoked these "rat races" , what gave rise to someone trying to arrange provocations on this score? an attempt to wipe our nose to the Russians to show us that we are not enough, but we bend over (at least this is how many see it) ... not far-sighted, the rules say that there will be no distribution of seats anyway, there will be only 10 participants without announcing seats 1,2,3, 10 ... and so on and it would be enough just to get into this 3 with a decent result, although voting is not prohibited again, they have the right, but still ... shortsighted. I wonder whether it happened spontaneously, or not ... I think Probably not, because XNUMX million votes in a couple of hours were clearly organized promptly and I don't think ordinary Chechens have so much fired up, rather Kadyrov needs it more, you can understand his pressure, a mosque named after his father, the central mosque of all Chechnya, but why such I do not understand how to do this. I hope there will be no further scandals in this regard, but this whole situation still has an important plus - Russians learn to unite and mobilize, learn to unity! The people responded, there is no overwhelming indifference and it pleases!

[vkrav]

Ramzan has already addressed to the TFR that he does not want to take into account the honestly bought votes for his mosque
http://news.qip.ru/society/262653-rkadyrov_obratilsja_v_skr_izza_neuchtennykh_go
losov_za_serdce_chechni? from = qip & utm_source = mainqip & utm_medium = cpc & utm_content = t
itle & utm_campaign = mainnews_newsqip

[EGORKA]

In our troubled times, the voting was organized incorrectly! Well, since they have written that 10 cultural monuments are being selected, so the figures of the vote of those in this 10 would not show, they are all there.

[Apollo]

quote-In connection with the leadership of the Kolomna Kremlin in the all-Russian multimedia competition "Russia-10", the flow of tourists to the city has increased significantly, said the chairman of the committee for work with youth of the city administration Sergei Barabanov on Monday at an operational meeting with the head of the city district of Kolomna.

[Dober]

Quote: Apollon

In connection with the leadership of the Kolomna Kremlin in the all-Russian multimedia competition "Russia-10", the flow of tourists to the city has increased significantly,

Oh-li ... At times ???????
My family and I spent two weeks in St. Petersburg, Pskov, Solovki, and in some places more than a month in Bulgaria or Montenegro. I’ll keep silent about the service ... It is not in Russia ...

[fantast]

Apollon, thanks for the video! Added to the news.

[kartalovkolya]

With all my deepest respect for the shrines of Chechnya, I must say that the Kolomna Kremlin expresses the SOUL of Russia and its HEART in the best possible way. And there is no need to polemicize, everything is so clear!

[Vtel]

Homeland is sacred and rating games are useless.
It is one homeland for everyone, but with a different view from the window.

[ed65b]

Kizhi look, beauties, than not a symbol. In general, it is necessary to conduct a competition by region; let each republic, region, region, region, choose their own symbol and present it. Why compete with someone that is more beautiful. For example, Chechnya, the symbol is mosque, the Irkutsk region is Baikal. etc. The Kazan Kremlin is also beautiful. and the military Ascension Cathedral is simply monumental.

[Ingvar 72]

Wah, what Kizhi-mizhi, daragoy? Chechnya rules! No joke, however. But seriously, it makes you sick of this farce. What the hell is a mosque, especially a remake ?! I agree with you completely.

[Warrawar]

Quote: ed65b

Kizhi look, beauties, than not a symbol. In general, it is necessary to conduct a competition by region; let each republic, region, region, region, choose their own symbol and present it. Why compete with someone that is more beautiful. For example, Chechnya, the symbol is mosque, the Irkutsk region is Baikal. etc. The Kazan Kremlin is also beautiful. and the military Ascension Cathedral is simply monumental.

In general, the point of this competition is that the information obtained during the voting will be used in the construction of the mini Russia park in the Moscow region.
It is completely incomprehensible why it was necessary to hold these votes ... If it was possible to arrange a "Mini Russia" on a scale and place sights on this square in "miniature" in accordance with its geographical location. For this, it was necessary to hold "regional" voting, as you say.
And so the farce contest.

[Mavric]

"We were sure that honest rivalry would decide everything, but now we deeply doubt it," Kadyrov summed up. (http://tvrain.ru/articles/kadyrov_pozhalovalsja_na_moshennichestvo_vo_vremja_ko
nkursa_rossija_10-351059 /) :)
What is he all the same, excuse me, STARRY this Kadirka-hole

[afire]

you need to pull yourself up and vote with sms, otherwise they will catch up, one hour is left ...
damn ... a game for money

[Ingvar 72]

And someone will rise great on these SMSki. I wonder who?

[Basileus]

VGTRK and Russian Geographical Society)

[carbofo]

Honest? hmm, several million live in Russia in Chechnya 140, we don’t have as much in Chechnya as cellular phones and a lot of money, but we are stupidly more, this is the case when the UK does not solve it.
I do not like what they built on MY money !.

[Rossmk]

Well, thank God. It was still not enough that the mosque became a symbol of Russia, which, moreover, which does not belong to Orthodoxy, was still neither historical nor ancient.

[Warrawar]

Something like this...

[Wedmak]

By the way, an interesting picture, half left-handed combatants, half right-handed?

[Warrawar]

Quote: Wedmak

By the way, an interesting picture, half left-handed combatants, half right-handed?

So they got up for symmetry.

[Lakkuchu]

The second stage is over. The Kolomna Kremlin remained in the lead, and rightly so. I am glad that the ancient fortress, leading its history from the 7th century, fell into the 30th Naryn-kala, it deserves it more than the new Chechen mosque with all its beauty, especially since the Naryn-kala citadel, the Old Town and fortresses of Derbent are included in the UNESCO World Heritage List.

[shyler]

Already resentment)

Kadyrov accused cellular operators of fraud with SMS voting for "Heart of Chechnya"
The head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, questioned the results of voting in the All-Russian contest "Russia 10", designed to choose ten symbols of the Russian Federation. In his blog on Instagram, Kadyrov notes that residents of the republic cannot send SMS messages in support of the Akhmad-Khadzhi Kadyrov mosque, which was in the lead in the competition yesterday, the press service of the head and government of the republic told REGNUM on August 30.

Details: http://regnum.ru/news/society/1700788.html#ixzz2dRGUxT7k

[Manager]

Make Putin a symbol of Russia and calm down! (Sarcasm)

[Dober]

Quote: Manager

Putin symbol of Russia

First you need to blind the image. And it's better to drink a thousand pieces like on Easter Island.
The option is already being prepared. It seems to work out fine -

[Manager]

Previously, Lenin’s plaster heads were))))) Here you go! !!!)!)!))!)

[Dober]

Quote: Manager

Here you go! !!!)!)!))!)

Maxim. And I must accompany each phrase with a note like "(sarcasm)".
As for the "plaster lenin", I'm sorry, but I am forbidden to kick this bald head as a soccer ball by my Christian principles ...
And so ... if I were a "Libyan rebel", I would definitely be shown on the news, fucking "bald gourd blank"

Paraphrasing -
"When you say the word lenin (required with a lowercase letter) then I grab the gun ...
/ The author was not specifically indicated /

[RA77]

I am very glad that the Kolomna Kremlin as a result of the 2nd round took first place. I voted for him almost every day.

[darksoul]

Pure welding of dough .......

according to the results of the second stage, the heart of Chechnya voted from the site about 600.000 people ..... via SMS 37.600.000 .... we multiply by the cost of one SMS 3.54r x 37.600.000 = 133.104.000, 133 lyams were raised only from Chechens .. ..that time at a time became a millionaire if not a billionaire ... this is the second stage and how many will

[jagdpanzer]

I believe that everything is fair, and indeed I am a nationalist.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Still need to arrange such a competition (Ramzan goes bankrupt ..)))

[jagdpanzer]

he is not here, but money will flow from our budget (read your pocket). Something that does not smile at me is the prospect of paying taxes, which they then give to anyone anyway.

[Navy7981]

Here, another thing is interesting - the excellent organization of those who vote for the mosque in Grozny.

In my opinion, "Heart of Chechnya" may remain the heart of Chechnya - a remake cannot be a symbol of the country, especially a remake, for which the Orthodox Church of St. Sophia in Constantinople is taken (no matter what anyone says) remove the minarets and compare, the style is one and the same.
Then, the mosque in Kazan, although not so grandiose, but really more beautiful and original, I gladly gave one of my votes for this work of architecture, as well as for the Buddhist temple.