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Russia strengthens the grouping of the Navy off the coast of Syria

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Russia strengthens the grouping of the Navy off the coast of Syria

Naval command fleet In connection with the situation around Syria, Russia decided to renew the naval staff of the permanent operational formation in the Mediterranean Sea, a source in the Russian General Staff said on Thursday.


According to him, the situation in the Eastern Mediterranean has demanded from Russia separate adjustments in the composition of the navy group. In the coming days, it will be replenished by a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet, reports the Mayak radio station.

Later, according to the source, “the Moscow Black Sea Fleet’s missile cruiser“ Moscow ”will join it, which is now completing tasks in the North Atlantic and will soon begin a transatlantic transition towards the Strait of Gibraltar”.

In addition, according to him, in the fall the Mediterranean grouping of the Navy should be replenished by the Pacific Fleet missile cruiser Varyag, which will replace the large anti-submarine ship Vice-Admiral Panteleev, currently performing combat missions as part of the operational force, Interfax reports.

Earlier it was reported that the frigate Chevalier Paul (“Chevalier Paul”), one of the most modern in the French fleet, departed from the port of Toulon to the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea. Prior to this, it became known that Washington sent two aircraft carriers to the Gulf region: Harry Truman and Nimitz.

The situation around Syria escalated after August 21 media, citing opposition to the statements reported the alleged use of chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus. Thereafter, in the West, where the application formerly known as sarin Syrian authorities under direct intervention in the conflict, openly talking about a possible military intervention in the Arab republic.

On Wednesday, NATO ambassadors stated that the information about the involvement of the government of Bashar Assad in Damascus under himatake confirmed from multiple sources, and British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the possibility of foreign intervention even without the unanimous support of all members of the UN Security Council.

Meanwhile, on Wednesday gave Syria's leading himataki UN inspectors investigating evidence that the republic's authorities did not use toxic substances. On Thursday, the media wrote that while the White House also can not provide indisputable evidence that it is involved in himatake Assad.
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  1. donavi49
    donavi49 29 August 2013 15: 38 New
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    Well, it really will not be very fast.

    Moscow is now in Venezuela (yesterday the commander of the Navy of this country examined her). Kulakov on the way to the strait (Gibraltar which), the Varangian generally gathered in Australia, and from there it will already be visible where he will go.

    By the way, do not forget about Panteleev, who if something, then immediately run, but so far peacefully stands on Novorossiysk naval base.

    It is not worth dumping the RCA yet - R-60 went to provide the 2 BDK to Tartus. This can be quite effective in tracking launches and transmitting information directly to the ATS. BOD and SRZK may not keep track of everything on a large theater, but the RCA can be attached to almost everyone, but there is still a tanker to display.

    Also for the same purpose, you can use the running oldies - Inquisitive, Okay and Savvy.
    1. experienced
      experienced 29 August 2013 15: 44 New
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      Quote: donavi49
      Well, it really will not be very fast.

      Yes, and it seems to me that we will still not be able to resist ... So if only give target designation and help with electronic warfare as much as possible, but they will not be superfluous there. The main thing is to carefully avoid provocations, such as the KR or the anti-ship missile system lost its course and ended up in the Russian ... It is better to "blow into the water" and shoot down everything that flies in the affected area, having warned enemies in advance, like we are afraid and we will shoot down, so shoot, but away from Russian ships and fly away from us hi
      1. yan
        yan 29 August 2013 15: 47 New
        22
        Good suggestion, it’s time to already adequately respond to the metastases of liberalism.
        1. teleset
          teleset 29 August 2013 16: 47 New
          29
          It looks like Egypt began to turn to face RUSSIA. Putin’s posters were hung in Egypt next to General Abdel Fattah al-Sissi’s and the Arabic inscription “Bai Bai, America!” HERE LINK http://smart-lab.ru/blog/137642.php
          1. 31231
            31231 29 August 2013 19: 40 New
            19
            The Egyptians now have a competent leadership. It is well understood that in the event of Assad's loss, a flock of Wahs will rush to Egypt to rescue Murzik and the Muslim brothers ..
            1. donavi49
              donavi49 29 August 2013 19: 44 New
              +4
              Well, the posters are hanging, with inscriptions in the style "It is vital to squeeze the bangers in the country." However, it is still unclear who hanged them, Nasser, the current leader of Egypt (de facto) and Putin.

              However, yes, although not completely. Islamists from Nusra and ISIL - will bring peace and Islam to Iraq. Here, without options, it is already everywhere declared that it is necessary to create a caliphate from the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea and save the Sunnis oppressed by unfaithful Shiites in Iraq.

              The other part will go to Egypt, here, too, without special options.
              1. bodriy
                bodriy 29 August 2013 21: 15 New
                +5
                Maybe they will still give the back bullshit, few children were killed, the Nazis !!! I imagine the mood of the common people in Syria, not the military who fought, are fighting and will fight, but ordinary people ... and how will Iran do, will it introduce infantry units to help to Syria after the bombing!? people need to be saved from this scum!
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        2. Karabin
          Karabin 29 August 2013 18: 03 New
          +8
          Quote: yan
          it is time to adequately respond to the metastases of liberalism.

          It’s too late to drink Borzh when the liver has collapsed. liberals, not metastases, we have been holding gentlemen in power in Russia since the beginning of the nineties. What an adequate answer is there.
          1. arnulla
            arnulla 29 August 2013 22: 03 New
            +3
            It seems to me that at the top, at the moment, there is a struggle between the librarians and the patriotically inclined. And to speak unequivocally about the authorities as a liberal or pro-Russian one, probably all the same bust.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 29 August 2013 23: 29 New
              +7
              Quote: arnulla
              there is a struggle between the librarians and the patriotic.

              Kubyshka-Tsenrobank-WTO-Serdyukov-Offshores-Education reform-housing and communal services-reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Something after that is hard to believe in a patriotic mood. Now they will merge Syria, within a year or two Privatization 2.0. This is the "fight of the Nanai boys".
              1. arnulla
                arnulla 29 August 2013 23: 38 New
                0
                in life, not everything is so straightforward
              2. dirty trick
                dirty trick 30 August 2013 09: 15 New
                +3
                Quote: Karabin
                Now they will merge Syria, within a year or two Privatization 2.0. This is the "fight of the Nanai boys".
          2. rodevaan
            rodevaan 30 August 2013 02: 30 New
            +3
            Quote: Karabin
            Quote: yan
            it is time to adequately respond to the metastases of liberalism.

            It’s too late to drink Borzh when the liver has collapsed. liberals, not metastases, we have been holding gentlemen in power in Russia since the beginning of the nineties. What an adequate answer is there.


            - Well, what do you suggest? Sit, lament and groan like old grandmas, and endlessly mumble like "EVERYTHING IS BAD"? Need to do something. Let them do little, but at least they do not stand still. Even if now they are picking out liberoids-subzapadoids, but the process is going on, slowly but surely. Further I think there will be more.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 30 August 2013 16: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: rodevaan
              “Well, what do you suggest?”

              1. Turn on the brains, add 2 and 2, and finally understand that people who are tightly integrated into the political, financial and property components of Western civilization cannot do more for Russia than they do now. Namely, to maintain its raw material status, dependent on external price management.
              2. Stop hoping that those who determine the life of the country will change.
              3. Stop living one day and be content with what is now better than in the 90s, because it will be much worse.
              Quote: rodevaan
              Let now subtly pick out liberoids-sub-Western, but the process is going on, slowly but surely.

              The names of those "wiped out" from the authorities, please. Transfers from government seats to other non-dusty seats are not considered.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 29 August 2013 16: 20 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        but to the other side from Russian ships and fly away from us

        Lesha, hello lost! And then the AMBASSADORS of NATO countries to the UN will declare that Russia used XO and BO against their TAMA-GAVK. In this case, provocation cannot be avoided, we only hope that Obama at the last moment will try to shoot a bullet in Syria, and that this is a show-off for the sake of in order to regain positions after the runway on the last summit had the whole Caudle of "shit" fans of homosexuals, and in pursuit he inserted Snowden for them in a very famous place instead of a whistle ...
        1. experienced
          experienced 29 August 2013 16: 26 New
          +5
          Quote: Tersky
          Lesha, hello missing

          Hello Vit hi The "problem" was very serious, yesterday it seemed like we managed to "figure it out" drinks
          Quote: Tersky
          And then the AMBASSADORS of NATO countries to the UN will declare that Russia used CW and BW against their "TAMA-GAVK"

          It will be worse if some torpedo floats into the side, everyone will refer to "I am not me and the torpedo is not mine." There are a lot of participants in the conflict and the weapons are unified, something from the Soviet "zapulnit" and the Americans can transfer "arrows" to Iran. This is what I fear most. The history of the Kursk is enough for the eyes ... I don't want VVP to answer questions again with a standard phrase about drowning. recourse
          1. Tersky
            Tersky 29 August 2013 16: 30 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            something from the Soviet "zapulnut" and the Americans can transfer "arrows" to Iran.

            This is quite expected, and predictable. That’s why they start swara so that, by the way, they would go around Iran.
          2. gispanec
            gispanec 29 August 2013 18: 18 New
            20
            Quote: seasoned
            The history of the Kursk is enough for the eyes ...

            neither you nor I who knows the truth with Kursk, so there’s no need to draw analogies here, but about the torpedo on board, there are two options
            1. Piss and shut up.
            2.How did the Russian heroes say? - "to stand up for the Russian land" ... so let the ships stand on the roadstead and continue with a ban for all aircraft, flights nearby and not very close ..
            1. experienced
              experienced 29 August 2013 18: 24 New
              -10
              Quote: gispanec
              then there are two options1. Piss off and shut up. 2. as the Russian heroes said? - "to stand up for the Russian land" ... so let the ships stand on the roadstead and continue with a ban for all aircraft, flights nearby and not very close ..

              And what will you provide a no-fly zone with? It’s ridiculous to read such comments ... They listen to those who have the power and this is a stubborn reality in the modern world. We have a weak Fleet and we cannot expose it as targets for provocations. request
              Estimate the number of ships and planes in the region and stop drooling over the monitor in "heroic" anger. hi
              1. alex21411
                alex21411 29 August 2013 18: 43 New
                +2
                I put a minus, don't be angry with "gispanec" ... For boorish remarks about him ...
                1. experienced
                  experienced 29 August 2013 18: 52 New
                  -1
                  Quote: alex21411
                  I put a minus, don't be angry with "gispanec" ... For boorish remarks about him ...

                  If this is for me, then I somehow don't care who put a minus ... I'm not going to get angry at anyone, but what he is trying to "tear hair on his chest" and put our ships under attack ... but he is here (on the site ) is not the only one winked Now, if he himself, as a "Russian hero", bought a ticket and flew to Syria to defend the "Russian land", then he would be honored and praise, and throwing slogans on the website and attacking opponents "in a rage" does not paint him.
                  1. alex21411
                    alex21411 29 August 2013 18: 57 New
                    0
                    Putting ships under attack, it's funny, is he the commander-in-chief? "tearing chest hair"? "Now, if he himself, as a" Russian hero ", bought a ticket and flew to Syria to defend the" Russian land ", then he would be honored, and to rush with slogans on the site and attack opponents" in a rage "does not paint him."
                    - By God, a kindergarten was bred here on the site)))
                  2. gispanec
                    gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 14 New
                    +5
                    Quote: seasoned
                    here "tearing the hair on his chest" and putting our ships under attack ... however, he is not the only one here (on the site). If only he, as a "Russian hero", bought a ticket and flew to Syria to defend the "Russian land" Praise him, but throwing slogans on the site and attacking opponents "in a rage" does not paint him.

                    That is, you call Russia rages ... this time ... piss and shut up - this is your policy, - these are two ... not three ... I would go, but I’m old ... I’m better to teach young people that what I knew at the time ... and I served on the S-75 ... and for the experimental at that time, the S-300 went on guard and co-protection .. right now my knowledge is generally a laugh for s ..... you want what would I make fun of nato ??
                    1. 31231
                      31231 29 August 2013 21: 54 New
                      0
                      Razh - courage.
                    2. experienced
                      experienced 29 August 2013 21: 56 New
                      -7
                      Quote: gispanec
                      That is, you call Russia rages ... this time

                      That's what it's called "what do ... k doesn't know, then thinks out" ... If you do not know the Russian language and the meaning of the word "rage", then I can not help you with anything other than referring to dictionaries, however, considering your level, I will facilitate your work
                      RAGE
                      rage, many no, m. (FR. rage) (open.). Rage, fury, frenzy, intense excitement. Come in a rage. Enter the rage. Do smth. in a strong rage.


                      Quote: gispanec
                      piss and shut up is your poly tick

                      Your policy is to smear everyone around and to ascribe some kind of "stamps" to everyone. It's funny to read, but at the same time it feels like you are touching excrement ...
                      Quote: gispanec
                      I would go, but I’m old already ... I’m better to teach young people what I knew at the time ... and I served on the S-75 ... and I went to the guard and co-pilot for the experimental S-300 at that time .. right now my knowledge is generally laughter for ov ..... do you want me to laugh at NATO ??

                      Well here hi
                      1. gispanec
                        gispanec 29 August 2013 22: 22 New
                        +7
                        for me, Russia doesn’t seem like a rage .... and stick your excuses away, my policy is not to scoop (this is your reality) -A ACT ... and to whom I attribute stamps here ???? ... but about sartier here you are they’re right ... your place seems to be there, and finally about the hat ... I'm really old ..... but if the Motherland calls, I will certainly get up ... unlike you and your help 7B .... me 47 and I do push-ups for 30 seconds 27 times .... I’m ready to defend my homeland at all borders ... but you’ve hiked the epaulettes on the Internet and whined and watered with shit
                      2. experienced
                        experienced 29 August 2013 22: 27 New
                        -9
                        Quote: gispanec
                        for me, Russia doesn’t seem like a rage .... and stick your excuses away, my policy is not to scoop (this is your reality) -A ACT ... and to whom I attribute stamps here ???? ... but about sartier here you are they’re right ... your place seems to be there, and finally about the hat ... I'm really old ..... but if the Motherland calls, I will certainly get up ... unlike you and your help 7B .... me 47 and I do push-ups for 30 seconds 27 times .... I’m ready to defend my homeland at all borders ... but you’ve hiked the epaulettes on the Internet and whined and watered with shit

                        I thought I’m talking with a person, but here is some kind of a bunch of trolls with URYAKalka, which hears only itself and communicates exclusively on shit-urinary turns wassat
                        In general, I made conclusions for myself, good luck with a sketch on the fan and scoring against the wind wassat (I tried to answer you in your language)
                      3. Anti
                        Anti 29 August 2013 22: 40 New
                        -4
                        Quote: seasoned
                        on the fan

                        this + lol
                  3. Andrey Yuryevich
                    Andrey Yuryevich 30 August 2013 05: 10 New
                    +1
                    Experienced, yes you are in shock today! good hi
              2. locman60
                locman60 29 August 2013 22: 24 New
                +6
                I apologize ... but in my opinion none of the distinguished guests had ever thought of buying a ticket to Syria ... why put pressure on a person, this is just his opinion ...
          3. gispanec
            gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            And what will you provide a no-fly zone with? It's funny to read such comments ...

            it’s ridiculous to read you, neither I nor the fleet are going to 100% provide the b / zone, you are directly in real contact with Nata, I tell you that you need to get up and ANNOUNCED, and NATO will crap one's pants, and you consider anti-submarine missiles in general launch. .. anti-aircraft missiles in the total answer ... yes, you are a bit sick with numbers ... I'm talking about PETA ... you are talking about Smith ... if you are not catching up about my post, then just ask to clarify ... and that’s it. .for otvetka SAShe any one at this time any submarine with ballistic missiles on board ... and she can spit in Sasha from the pier ... and you think anti-aircraft, anti-ship and other weapons .. ridiculously by God ... you are our swamp Troll! Oh
          4. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 01: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            Quote: gispanec
            then there are two options1. Piss off and shut up. 2. as the Russian heroes said? - "to stand up for the Russian land" ... so let the ships stand on the roadstead and continue with a ban for all aircraft, flights nearby and not very close ..

            And what will you provide a no-fly zone with? It’s ridiculous to read such comments ... They listen to those who have the power and this is a stubborn reality in the modern world. We have a weak Fleet and we cannot expose it as targets for provocations. request
            Estimate the number of ships and planes in the region and stop drooling over the monitor in "heroic" anger. hi

            Our fleet is weak, no doubt. And what do you think, what could turn out for the great and terrible attack (read the provocation) of our ships? They are not there for direct confrontation. This is a demonstration of the will and invariability of the position, Assad’s moral support .. If the amers mess with S. Korea to contact, just in case, I’ll remind you that we are the only ones who can guarantee to erase the states from the globe. do they need? As, however, to us too ... Therefore, there will be no provocations. Torpedoes are they flying in different directions (or swimming? hi )
          5. yurii p
            yurii p 30 August 2013 16: 24 New
            +1
            "Estimate the number of ships and aircraft in the region and stop drooling on the monitor in" heroic "anger." -and that the legs are up, but you can remember the Varyag and the Pskov paratroopers in Chechnya. Frightened now, you can wake up tomorrow in an occupied country
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 August 2013 23: 15 New
          +6
          Quote: gispanec
          .that let the ships stand on the roadstead and further with a ban on all aircraft, flights near and not very close ..

          The passage of aircraft of the Russian Federation and the USA over ships is prohibited by the agreement on the prevention of incidents at sea between our countries (then the USSR and the USA).
          The no-fly zone is an invention of the new time. In fact, the liberals called the establishment of an air blockade of the victim state that way. And you won't complain to the UN, and it sounds "euphonious".
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 29 August 2013 18: 10 New
      +5
      Quote: Tersky
      after the runway on the last summit raped the entire Caudle of "shitcrats"

      Apparently, the "capture" took place only for domestic use, because the Caudla, judging by the latest actions, did not notice this. And the "one who had" himself took such a deep grandmaster pause on the Syrian issue that it seems as if he was stupidly stuck.
      1. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 01: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: Karabin
        Quote: Tersky
        after the runway on the last summit raped the entire Caudle of "shitcrats"

        Apparently, the "capture" took place only for domestic use, because the Caudla, judging by the latest actions, did not notice this. And the "one who had" himself took such a deep grandmaster pause on the Syrian issue that it seems as if he was stupidly stuck.

        In what, and even in the absence of calculating the situation, you will not refuse Putin. The key word is the grand master. Now the move of shit ...
    3. Garik
      Garik 30 August 2013 08: 10 New
      0
      Something tells me that our group is also covered by submarines, so it’s not so simple, these Syrian friends can grab on the very tomatoes. All the same, the amers were going to reduce the aircraft carrier fleet, but with a trout and a nimitz they can be helped. lol
  2. clidon
    clidon 29 August 2013 16: 41 New
    +2
    The fact is that we can clearly indicate the boundaries of the database area. With the same warnings.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 01: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: clidon
      The fact is that we can clearly indicate the boundaries of the database area. With the same warnings.

      They will indicate houses to their wife if they can ... And do not care on which side they have a skullcap ...
      1. clidon
        clidon 30 August 2013 17: 41 New
        +1
        Then a "skullcap" may just fly in with the words "Well, we warned you." And there will be nothing to say in response, there is a war going on, and we climbed under the bullets.
  3. vaddag1
    vaddag1 29 August 2013 17: 03 New
    38
    "It seems to me that we will not be able to resist anyway ..." - the point is not that we can or cannot, the point is that they will see (potential opponents) determination and disregard for numerical and qualitative superiority. the honors that the Japanese gave to the "Varangians" and "Koreans" confirm my words, and the incident in the Black Sea is our ramming by a patrol boat of a US destroyer. and if a handful of ships (reconnaissance and security), ignoring all the warnings and maneuvers of the amers, take the most advantageous (and impudent) position off the Syrian coast, while clearly and loudly (so that later they would not say that they did not hear) define the zone around them "flightless" - this should cause frustration and an understanding that several ships have not poured, and what will happen when the situation escalates to the limit and more serious forces are brought up (albeit, again, inferior to the world hegemon).
    and there will be no direct confrontation over Syria (and there wouldn’t be under the USSR). we have neither the legal nor the moral right to start a war. our war has not come yet.
    ps it’s a confrontation of characters, someone alone will collapse.
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 01: 55 New
      0
      The world hegemon is a colossus with feet of clay. The West will never climb to Russia, knowing what consequences it might expect. Of course, you don't need to go into trouble yourself, so as not to put the "hegemons" in an awkward position (like a low start)
    2. Garyk701
      Garyk701 30 August 2013 08: 55 New
      +4
      Let's be realistic. Russia is not defending Syria, not Assad and not the Syrian people; Russia is defending its interests in this region. We must make life as difficult as possible for NATO "peacekeepers", but at the same time, we should not endanger our citizens, and so on. combat ships.
      It is better to spend money and donate air defense and electronic warfare equipment to Asadka, you can even hire "specialists" volunteers to help the Syrians, but not throw your military on deeds.
      1. Garyk701
        Garyk701 30 August 2013 08: 59 New
        +1
        By the way, following the example of France, it is possible to form a foreign legion (a native or wild division) from guest workers from the Caucasus and Central Asia and throw them at similar hot spots.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 30 August 2013 11: 14 New
          +1
          The Caucasus is like a part of Russia.
          1. 123_123
            123_123 1 September 2013 16: 17 New
            +1
            Not the entire Caucasus is part of Russia. At least for now)
        2. ultra
          ultra 30 August 2013 17: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Garyk701
          form a foreign legion (native or wild division) from guest workers from the Caucasus

          You have obvious gaps in geography!
          1. Garyk701
            Garyk701 31 August 2013 23: 43 New
            +1
            Oh, read Wikipedia at http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/People of the Caucasus ... and don’t make me funny.

            Countries and regions of the Caucasus

            Azerbaijan
            Georgia
            Armenia

            Russia, including regions:
            Adygea
            Dagestan
            Ingushetia
            Kabardino-Balkaria
            Karachay-Cherkessia
            North Ossetia
            Chechnya
            Krasnodar
            Stavropol region

            Abkhazia (frequent recognition)
            South Ossetia (frequent recognition)
            Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (unrecognized)

            But if you still insist on Russia, then the local Caucasians can also be taken into the native wild division ...
      2. 123_123
        123_123 1 September 2013 16: 22 New
        -1
        You can not give, you can sell, Syria still has money, Iran threw a loan, and to buy Syria is real only from Russia or China. The benefit of Russia is obvious. We will not sell - sell China. In this case, Syria will have worse equipment and the money will pass by the Russian treasury. Definitely sell everything that works out. Well, except for WMD of course.
  4. uralkos
    uralkos 29 August 2013 17: 17 New
    +4
    Of course, I apologize, but it will not be easier to disable or drown out the signals of GPS satellites, without positioning, they will not be able to launch rockets. In general, arrange an electronic blockade. ???
    1. vaddag1
      vaddag1 29 August 2013 17: 24 New
      +9
      so this is already fighting - EW.
      ps But can it be done right from the Kremlin? in the sense of without the presence of funds in the confrontation zone
    2. clidon
      clidon 29 August 2013 19: 52 New
      +1
      This is easier said than done.
  5. shpuntik
    shpuntik 29 August 2013 17: 28 New
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    experienced (1) RU Today, 15:44 ↑
    Yes, and it seems to me that we still can’t resist ...

    Alexey hi It is difficult and expensive to resist, here you are right. But you can. For example, to give the Syrians an "old woman", a reactive pop-up mine, with new "brains". And not one, but 100 pieces. Let them install them from planes wherever they want. And take your ships aside and watch. Cheap and cheerful.
    http://russianarms.mybb.ru/viewtopic.php?id=830
    1. Simon
      Simon 29 August 2013 19: 06 New
      +4
      And what a good thing. recourse
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 29 August 2013 21: 40 New
        +5
        Quote: Simon
        And what a good thing.

        KRM "Kambala" was placed from ships (!). And what ships will put it? This is the first thing.
        And secondly, the installation of the MLM in the waters of the open sea is an act of aggression, in the territories of a foreign state - an act of declaration of war. This is if under the law of the sea.
        1. gispanec
          gispanec 29 August 2013 22: 03 New
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          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          secondly, setting the MLM in the waters of the open sea is an act of aggression, in the territories of a foreign state - an act of declaring war. This is if under the law of the sea.

          and if you spat on the UN charter? ... is it considered an act of aggression ?? .. if it is under international law ..
          1. albatross
            albatross 30 August 2013 22: 35 New
            +2
            gispanec (2) Yesterday, 22:03 PM ↑
            and if you spat on the UN charter? ... is it considered an act of aggression ?? .. if it is under international law ..

            That's right: if an aircraft carrier is beyond the 12 mile zone, then he can march on Yugoslavia fool These are the lawyers of the "Shevardnadze line" and are carrying out.
        2. old man54
          old man54 30 August 2013 00: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          aggression in the waters of a foreign state - an act of declaration of war. This is if under the law of the sea.

          Alexander! hi And who, right, both maritime and international, is strongly observing it, on the part of the "crap-mongers"? They do what they want and do? You will get tired of listing how many and how they have violated international norms and laws recently, starting with the fundamental norms of the UN Charter on non-interference in the internal affairs of sovereign states !!! angry
          KRM "Flounder" was placed from ships (!)

          strange, but in its form the suggestion is quite obvious that it could be put from a submarine. request But I do not argue with you, the weight categories are very different with us. bully
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 August 2013 02: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: old man54
            And who is it, right, both maritime and international, that strongly observes, on the part of "crap-mongers"?

            There is such a thing as Mr. State reputation.
            GDP holds this word - and how its authority has grown! They take his word for it! So it is with states. The weight and authority of a country is its golden foundation in international relations.
            States and their double morality is a temporary phenomenon: you cannot go far in a lie. Sooner or later, they will have to pay the bills, and they are moral bankrupt.
        3. shpuntik
          shpuntik 30 August 2013 02: 00 New
          +2
          Boa KAA RU Yesterday, 21:40 ↑
          KRM "Kambala" was placed from ships (!). And what ships will put it?

          It might have been put by someone, it’s more convenient from the ship. Personally, I didn’t pose it, but I don’t see problems when setting up from an airplane. I find confirmation of my words in the description: http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/TiVOut9801/AvSeM/AvSeM006.htm

          And secondly, the installation of the MLM in the waters of the open sea is an act of aggression, in the territories of a foreign state - an act of declaration of war. This is if under the law of the sea.

          And when, two aircraft carriers come to you - is this not a violation of the law? Or only when planes fly off of it? In principle, it is possible to make activation after the onset of aggression, a hydroacoustic signal. The bottom line is that one sunken aircraft carrier can make the ShA government refuse to continue aggression. Too many coffins at a time, the population of Sha will be against it.
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 August 2013 04: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: shpuntik
            It might have been put by someone, it’s more convenient from the ship. Personally, I didn’t pose it, but I don’t see problems when setting up from an airplane.

            Colleague Simon gave a link to the KRM "Flounder", produced in 1957-60. It was installed exclusively with NKs with mine paths. But its further development RM-1 (1960) could already be placed from an airplane. Further - more: 1963 - RM-2; 65g -RM-2G; 70g - PMR-1; 73g - PMR-2; 72g - PMT-1 (Captor appeared only in 76g); 1983 - MTPK-1 and so on.
            Quote: shpuntik
            And when, two aircraft carriers come to you - is this not a violation of the law? Or only when planes fly off of it?

            Until they violate the territorial waters and airspace of the country, they do not violate the law of the sea, using the right of freedom of navigation (even in straits - the right of free passage).
            Another thing, any state, on the shores of which the AUG appears, will take measures to protect against uninvited guests.
            Quote: shpuntik
            The bottom line is that one sunken aircraft carrier can make the ShA government refuse to continue aggression.

            Here you are deeply mistaken! If this happens you will get the war in full. At the same time, American society at 95% will support the actions of its government. Such is reality, as if it were not unpleasant for our pride ...
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 30 August 2013 12: 32 New
              0
              Boa KAA RU Today, 04:02 ↑
              Colleague Simon gave a link to the KRM "Flounder", produced in 1957-60.

              I do not see his links, I see this comment:
              Simon RU Yesterday, 19:06 ↑
              And what a good thing. recourse
              Yes, you yourself brought the prototypes, what is the argument ??

              Here you are in the deepest way are mistaken! If this happens you will get the war in full. At the same time, American society will support the actions of its government by 95%. Such is reality, as if it were not unpleasant for our pride ...

              I do not agree here hi . There is an example of Vietnam: the SA did not win this war, lost more than 50 thousand people and ended it because of internal protests.
              One aircraft carrier: 2500 people. immediately + 5 billion dollars. + A couple more submarines of protection - this is another couple of billions. This will make any aggressor think. Yes, and then, what do you suggest not to fight at all, not to defend yourself? Something did not understand your position: for some reason, bring international maritime law when UN resolutions are violated? The bombing of Yugoslavia for example. Is this not a violation of the law of the sea? wassat

              1. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 30 August 2013 15: 45 New
                +1
                Quote: shpuntik
                I do not see his links, I see this comment:

                I apologize: This is yours, dear koment from 17: 28 with reference to the info on CRM. In 4 hours, and after work, thinking is somewhat inhibited. Once again I apologize for the false accusation of colleague Simon.
                Quote: shpuntik
                There is an example of Vietnam: Sha did not win this war

                Comparison regarding the losses of the fleet is incorrect: the States did not lose a single ship, with the exception of the Tonkin incident. The loss of the AVU is a tragedy worse than the loss of the Kursk. The ship is the sovereign territory of the FLAG state, which the ship carries. Remember what was written on the AB case, which the amers dropped on the Japanese.
                Quote: shpuntik
                Do you suggest that you do not fight at all, do not defend yourself? Something did not understand your position: for some reason, bring international maritime law when UN resolutions are violated? The bombing of Yugoslavia for example. Is this not a violation of the law of the sea?

                I unequivocally expressed my position in my comments. See above.
                A couple of remarks about your post. They defend themselves when you are attacked.
                It's about the fleet, therefore, relations are regulated between combatants by this branch of law. I think this is logical.
                The bombing of Yugoslavia has nothing to do with Mr. Law of the Sea. This is a crime against humanity. It belongs to the category of violation of the customs and rules of warfare. This section of law is also there. As colleagues say: Learn materiel and do not be clever where weak.
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 30 August 2013 17: 45 New
                  +1
                  General Major Avatar
                  Boa KAA RU Today, 15:45 ↑
                  I apologize: This is yours, dear koment from 17:28 with a reference to the info on CRM. At 4 o’clock, after work, thinking is somewhat inhibited.

                  If you can not read the comment, then do not bother to refute. Here is a quote from the link I gave: http://vadimvswar.narod.ru/ALL_OUT/TiVOut9801/AvSeM/AvSeM006.htm
                  The RM-1 mine was made in the dimensions of the FAB-1500 bomb ... At this altitude, a braking rotating parachute with an area of ​​1,8 m2 opens, reducing the descent rate to 50-65 m / s.
                  Where did I say that Flounder was installed from an airplane? They invented it themselves, they themselves refuted it, they started an empty argument. Follow the link and read what I wrote: "reactive-pop-up mine" and what modification it is, this is a minor role.
                  They defend themselves when you are attacked.
                  It's about the fleet, therefore, relations are regulated between combatants by this branch of law. I think this is logical.

                  Listen to "combatant" fellow , maritime law during the war is canceled, do not disgrace.
                  Here's what I wrote: "In principle, you can activate activation after the start of aggression by a hydroacoustic signal." Refute?
                  Further, in general, a "masterpiece":
                  The bombing of Yugoslavia has nothing to do with Mr. Law of the Sea. This is a crime against humanity. It belongs to the category of violation of the customs and rules of warfare.

                  That is, in your opinion, there is a war and the parties must comply with the law of the sea? Well, then I don’t know how to communicate with you. I have not seen such stupidity for a long time. It seems that you flutter on the comments and teach the law of the sea.
                  Remember what was written on the AB case, which the amers dropped on the Japanese.

                  Yes, it doesn’t matter to me what is written there, I’m for Syria, okay?
                  Here from such you and hemorrhoids in Russia.
            2. IGS
              IGS 3 September 2013 21: 04 New
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              Quote: BoA KAA

              Here you are deeply mistaken! If this happens you will get the war in full. At the same time, American society at 95% will support the actions of its government. Such is reality, as if it were not unpleasant for our pride ...

              I completely agree with you. Example of Louisitania, Pearl Harbor, 11 September. American discontent is caused by constant, protracted human losses, even if they are not great, and they should not bear a pronounced challenge to the "American nation", or it should be "washed out" by the routine of events (Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan).
        4. albatross
          albatross 30 August 2013 22: 26 New
          +1
          KAA boa RU Yesterday, 21:40 ↑ New

          Quote: Simon
          And what a good thing.

          KRM "Kambala" was placed from ships (!).

          Alexander, don't be stupid. What is Simon's "Flounder"? And the shpuntik talks about the RM-1, it is installed from the planes, read the link. And "old man 54" is right, it is 533 mm in diameter of the torpedo tube.
          Anti-submarine mine-missile PMR-1 with an inclined warhead at launch on 4 sides (development of RM-1). 1970 was staged with submarines. Depth of the sea is up to 600m. Depth up to 150 m. Radius of damage 150 m.
        5. albatross
          albatross 30 August 2013 22: 45 New
          0
          Boa constrictor KAA RU Yesterday, 21:40 KRM "Flounder" was placed from ships (!). And what ships will put it?

          Where did the "Flounder" come from? We are talking about RM-1, it is installed with a parachute, from an airplane, made in the dimensions of KAB-1500. wassat
          They didn’t enter the topic and delivered srach out of the blue.
          What is the law of the sea in war? fool Carriers did not violate the law of the sea in the waters of Yugoslavia? Are you a submarine lawyer?
    2. clidon
      clidon 29 August 2013 20: 37 New
      +2
      It would be so simple, the war at sea would have ended long ago.
  6. Vadivak
    Vadivak 29 August 2013 17: 29 New
    13
    Quote: seasoned
    while the White House also cannot provide indisputable evidence that Assad was involved in the chemical attack.


    Most likely, Obama or McCain could give the chemical attack order, this is a more plausible version.
  7. gispanec
    gispanec 29 August 2013 18: 12 New
    +9
    Quote: seasoned
    Yes, and it seems to me that we still can’t resist ...

    what is this conclusion based on? ..... after all, it doesn’t matter the iron that goes ... what matters is how it defends and attacks .... an example of a war between Britons and Argentines .. and not a single sane officer will NEVER shoot at our ships ... even if it’s a missile boat or a BDK ... after all, it’s the 3rd World War ... just declare that we can close it from the sea as a no-fly zone ... well, the exercises we have and .... and that’s not even + , plus for Syria air defense
    1. d_trader
      d_trader 29 August 2013 19: 27 New
      +5
      I remembered the Chinese embassy in Belgrade "accidentally" bombed by NATO ...
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: d_trader
        I remembered the Chinese embassy in Belgrade "accidentally" bombed by NATO.

        So it was covered SPECIALLY ... enlighten .... didn’t you point the ax ??, but since there’s no, then you don’t need to troll
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 August 2013 23: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: gispanec
      what is this conclusion based on?

      Dear gispanec, this "experienced" conclusion was made based on the analysis of the quantitative composition and qualitative state of the ships of the fleet. It is bitter to admit it, but today it is so.
      Quote: gispanec
      not one sane officer will NEVER shoot at our ships.

      And if you get an order?
      And if the nerves can’t stand it?
      And if just - a provocation !?
      And if a system error (malfunction), or an attack by hackers?
      Many things happen in the sea. Then Obama will write off 10-20 billion greens, apologize, condolences. But the guys, like on the "Kursk", will no longer be returned.
      Will 3 MB start because of this? Personally, I'm not sure: this is suicide, not only for us, but for the entire human civilization.
      1. old man54
        old man54 30 August 2013 01: 03 New
        +5
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Will 3 MB start because of this? Personally, I'm not sure: this is suicide, not only for us, but for the entire human civilization.

        Alexander, in the world, always, but especially today, it is impossible to retreat forever, backing away and justifying this by the fact that there are more of them and that they are stronger. In our situation, I mean Russia, and even more so. Otherwise, in a year or two we will discuss the situation here - "When amers with their mongrel (NATO) hit us", and moreover, in all seriousness we will do it already. But then we will be left alone and there will be no one around to rely on! Yes, we are much weaker today, but there is nuclear weapons and we must very clearly make it clear that this is a line that we won't cross! War? As for me, it would be better if my family and I burned in the fire of a nuclear war than live as the Syrians live in their own country now or drown the whole country in LGBT people and fagot!
        There is nowhere to retreat further, further our borders are already! hi
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 30 August 2013 02: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: old man54
          As for me, it would be better if my family and I burned in the fire of a nuclear war than live as the Syrians live in their own country now or drown the whole country in LGBT people and fagot!

          Strongly said! But!!! You and I are close to 60, my children 30-35, grandchildren 5-9 ... I don’t know how your family is, but mine still want to live. Ask them if they agree to burn for Syria in an atomic fire, then you need to contact a psychiatrist (no offense!), Since this contradicts the main instinct of a living creature and does not particularly fit in with the high ideals of protecting their homeland.
          In general, I am firmly convinced that we should die only for soybean Rodina, her vital interests, or saving the lives of our compatriots. Internationalism is good, but Trotskyism decided that only Russians would sacrifice themselves for the cause of the world revolution. I. Stalin in practice showed the fallacy of these views. This is the first.
          Secondly. S. Lavrov said: Russia is not going to fight. It can be brainwashed and, having analyzed the state of the economy, the Armed Forces, the level of BP of the troops, the presence of allies, the interests of the country and its citizens, you will understand that we can’t afford the war, morally the people don’t ready, the level of power supply and the state of the aircraft leave much to be desired. Our umbrella, until combat-ready, modern aircraft, nuclear weapons are recreated. Therefore, you need to be very careful and, as experienced colleague correctly noted, you can not let yourself be drawn into a provocation ... IMHO.
          1. nerd.su
            nerd.su 30 August 2013 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Therefore, you need to be very careful and, as experienced colleague correctly noted, you can not let yourself be drawn into a provocation ... IMHO.

            So yes, I don’t want to die for the Syrians. But the choice is what - to merge Syria and dutifully stand in line for Iran or ... Or what?
          2. old man54
            old man54 30 August 2013 18: 46 New
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Strongly said! But!!! You and I are close to 60, my children 30-35, grandchildren 5-9 ... I don’t know how your family is, but mine still want to live.

            Both my family and I myself are by no means looking for death, like a "storm petrel", but ... if a war breaks out all around, then it is unlikely to sit out, well, only in the deep taiga. negative And I’m not under 60, you were mistaken, Alexander (I will clarify in PM). bully
            It is strange that you did not understand me, Sasha. I offered to fight not only for Syria, although this people is by no means fallen and is worthy of respect so that we, as a state, fulfill our allied obligations to them and do not abandon them in trouble! But fighting for them, we will fight for ourselves, do we really disagree? The bottom line is that if tomorrow we silently surrender Syria, as yesterday we surrendered Serbia and Libya, then in a few years a similar situation will develop in our home (in the Caucasus, for example) and we will again be faced with the same choice as now in Syria, but in a tougher version and we will be many times worse than now. I not only offered to help Syria, but first of all "stand up to full height" and stop the global aggressor. We no longer have a choice, why don't many people understand this ??? Rising to defend Syria, we defend ourselves, but on distant approaches, and thereby rallying around ourselves those countries that still want to resist this aggression by the Anglo-Jewish-Saxons! It's the same as in everyday life - if you constantly sit at home, not sticking out, when they kill your neighbors in the village, like "your own shirt is closer to your body", then soon, when they come to kill you at night, even if you are the last, then for help then there will be nowhere to turn! And so I would really not want our country to find itself in such a situation, although then many will see the light, but it will be very late. And if the hands in Russia continue to sell their geopolitical confederates with the same ease, as the Ural drunks and the iPhone did 3 years ago, then no one else will believe us in the future and everyone will turn away from us. And it's so clear who wants to create alliances with the state, which does not keep its word and betrays friends! Strange, but for me it is so obvious, Alexander! request
          3. old man54
            old man54 30 August 2013 19: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            if they agree to burn for Syria in an atomic fire, then you need to turn to a psychiatrist (no offense!), since this contradicts the main instinct of a living creature and does not particularly fit in with the high ideals of protecting their homeland.

            Strange, but here we disagree! Those. the fact that our fathers helped the Vietnamese in their war for independence against the amers was this their mental insanity? And the participation of our troops in the civil war in Spain before the 2nd MV, is also suicidal paranoia? (Do not be offended only!) And do a few Middle East wars with the same Israel be done from him in order to show your valiant boldness? Africa? And the direct (to the DB did not reach fortunately) participation of our Navy in the wars of India against Pakistan, aimed at suppressing the interference of the Nuggosaxis in these conflicts, is also madness?
            I am sure that the leadership of the country had good reasons! And the main one: to repulse the imperialists there, at the distant approaches to our borders, they fled for the quiet sleep of USSR citizens. For some reason, today, this understanding has disappeared from the minds of Russians, apparently dermocratization, the decomposition of society by philistine values ​​makes itself felt !!!
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            In general, I am firmly convinced that we should die only for soy Rodin,

            Well, I am first of all for her and suggest I do it, apparently I have poorly stated my thought, I'm sorry.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Secondly. S. Lavrov said: Russia is not going to fight.

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Secondly. S. Lavrov said: Russia is not going to fight.

            Well, this Lavrov! They us, the West, once again take on the show, check, and we are already blown away. In one video, one of the observers said that US politicians before the start of the escalation in Syria said bluntly: "This will be our test, can we openly look the Russians in the eyes ?!" And Putin is not even close to the Great Stalin, not a fighter! negative To say that you will not fight is the same as saying that you can bomb them! When you, Alexander, were surrounded by 5 healthy men in a dark alleyway and are clearly going to attack, then announcing to them that you are not going to fight means that with 95% probability they will rush at you! But if it is extremely tough and serious to tell them what they say, let's. swoop in, I'm not afraid and I'll literally gnaw your throat, then most likely very much become thoughtful and maybe they will leave! (Remember Shukshin's "Kalina red"!)
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            you will understand that war is too expensive for us, morally, people are not ready for it, the level of BP and the state of the armed forces leave much to be desired. Our umbrella, until combat-ready, modern aircraft, nuclear weapons are recreated.

            And when the state-va and the people are ready for war then? And you think they will let us seriously prepare for it? They will sit and wait until we get ready ?? The fact is that if you seriously say no, then they will retreat, but they must believe it, otherwise it will not work. And in order to be believed, the determination of hands must be 100%!
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 31 New
        0
        Quote: BoA KAA
        Quote: gispanec
        what is this conclusion based on?

        Dear gispanec, this "experienced" conclusion was made based on the analysis of the quantitative composition and qualitative state of the ships of the fleet. It is bitter to admit it, but today it is so.
        Quote: gispanec
        not one sane officer will NEVER shoot at our ships.

        And if you get an order?
        And if the nerves can’t stand it?
        And if just - a provocation !?
        And if a system error (malfunction), or an attack by hackers?
        Many things happen in the sea. Then Obama will write off 10-20 billion greens, apologize, condolences. But the guys, like on the "Kursk", will no longer be returned.
        Will 3 MB start because of this? Personally, I'm not sure: this is suicide, not only for us, but for the entire human civilization.

        Following your logic, then you shouldn't interfere, like China, right? And the sheep are fed and the wolves are safe. Why the hell, then, all these show-offs? To the bushes at the last moment? And what if they are being bullied at us? The fact that our ships are present there just speaks of our intentions to go to the end. Or to show it. And then, what kind of group is this, if it cannot destroy an "accidental" torpedo or missile? This is not a salvo of tomahawks ...
        ZY: Even Abromovich's yacht is protected from "accidental" launches.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 30 August 2013 04: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          Following your logic, then you should not interfere, like China, right?

          Now the struggle is on a political and diplomatic level. The Union could, with the power of the socialist camp, put an ultimatum in 1956: either stop the aggression against Egypt, or we will use nuclear weapons.
          Today, officials open-textured to the whole world from the TV screen declare that Russia will not fight, and you reproach me with disloyalty to the Syrians. Our ships in Middle-earth will carry out the tasks that they will be assigned with the Navy CKP. And this is Moscow’s decision. In modern conditions, the war does not meet the national interests of the Russian Federation. We do not have an agreement with Syria on friendship and mutual assistance. So from the legal point of view of mn ... Sympathy - yes, BUT this is from the realm of emotions.
          Quote: Semyon Semyonich
          : Even Abromovich's yacht is protected from "accidental" launches.

          Oh how! And the modern project 949A plark caught the MK-48 on board ... The Belknap climbed under the Forrestal and burned down for a good life, so no one is safe from accident. Even Abramovich, judging by its end ...
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 31 August 2013 04: 49 New
            0
            You probably confused Abramovich with Berezovsky? And I did not suggest getting involved in the war directly. I affirm that such provocations as the shelling of our ships with "random" torpedoes, in principle, cannot be. Play with matches on a powder keg ... hi
      3. gispanec
        gispanec 30 August 2013 08: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And if you get an order? And if your nerves can’t stand it? And if it's simple - a provocation !?

        Dear KAA, the time of doubts and assumptions, as the Germans say, plus a kwam perfect .... that is, a long time past .... by our doubts about our readiness we make it clear that we are not ready to defend our own, precisely our Motherland ... and we there isn’t enough courage (in the name of mankind) to press the start button of ballistic missiles during the aggression against us !! ... and everything will start simply ..... or the Japs will smoke (and next to the scary whale of whales) ..... or Norwegians with Danes will begin to seize the Arctic ... the citizens of Germany will come to Kaliningrad with the slogans OTHER ..... yes, until the figs of micro-conflicts that can be carried out knowing that Russia will not answer ... guys will die .....
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 30 August 2013 17: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: gispanec
          With our doubts about our readiness, we make it clear that we are not ready to defend our own, precisely our Motherland ... and we don’t have the courage (in the name of mankind) to press the start button of ballistic missiles during the aggression against us !! ..

          No, dear, we will defend our homeland to the last possible opportunity and even clutch the amers in the throat of the dead. But I don’t advise anyone, including VGK, to scatter the nation by the gene pool of the guys 18-25 years for a foreign country!
          Well, you damn it, give! The doctrine says in black and white that in case of a threat to the national security and integrity of our state, we reserve the right to be the first (!) To use nuclear weapons. But when it comes to OUR country! The states know this, they have something to lose, so they want to disarm us first, and only then fuck us. This is what Putin does not allow them to do.
          Quote: gispanec
          .a everything will start simply.

          Nah, it won’t start as you wrote ... They will try to decompose it from the inside, or tie it into endless conflict, grinding the male half of the country, or getting an ABSOLUTE weapon in the form of a space annihilator (for example).
          Quote: gispanec
          Yes, to the fig microconflicts that can be held knowing that Russia will not answer ... because the guys will die .....

          And then by! Example 08.08.2008. But there they attacked our peacekeepers, violating the norms of Mr. Law! Therefore, there was every reason to teach the Georgians "military affairs in a real way". Yes, and we defended (formally) people who have passports of Russian citizens. So you have no cots, my dear, on this point.
      4. gunnerminer
        gunnerminer 31 August 2013 15: 37 New
        0
        And if you get an order?
        And if the nerves can’t stand it?
        And if just - a provocation !?
        And if a system error (malfunction), or an attack by hackers?


        Right!
  8. esaul
    esaul 29 August 2013 18: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: seasoned
    It is better to "blow into the water" and shoot down everything that flies in the affected area, having warned enemies in advance, like we are afraid and we will shoot down, so shoot, but in the other direction from the Russian ships and fly away from us

    Russia sent a large anti-submarine ship and missile cruiser to the coast of Syria


    Command of the Navy of Russia in connection with the situation around Syria has decided to update the ship's structure permanent task force in the Mediterranean Sea, said a source in the Russian General Staff.
    According to him, the situation in the Eastern Mediterranean has demanded from Russia separate adjustments in the composition of the navy group. In the coming days, it will be replenished by a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet, reports the Mayak radio station.
    Later, according to the source, “the Moscow Black Sea Fleet’s missile cruiser“ Moscow ”will join it, which is now completing tasks in the North Atlantic and will soon begin a transatlantic transition towards the Strait of Gibraltar”.
    In addition, according to him, in the fall the Mediterranean grouping of the Navy should be replenished by the Pacific Fleet missile cruiser Varyag, which will replace the large anti-submarine ship Vice-Admiral Panteleev, currently performing combat missions as part of the operational force, Interfax reports.

    Earlier it was reported that the frigate Chevalier Paul (“Chevalier Paul”), one of the most modern in the French fleet, departed from the port of Toulon to the eastern part of the Mediterranean Sea. Prior to this, it became known that Washington sent two aircraft carriers to the Gulf region: Harry Truman and Nimitz.

    The situation around Syria escalated after August 21 media, citing opposition to the statements reported the alleged use of chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus. Thereafter, in the West, where the application formerly known as sarin Syrian authorities under direct intervention in the conflict, openly talking about a possible military intervention in the Arab republic.

    On Wednesday, NATO ambassadors stated that the information about the involvement of the government of Bashar Assad in Damascus under himatake confirmed from multiple sources, and British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the possibility of foreign intervention even without the unanimous support of all members of the UN Security Council.

    Meanwhile, on Wednesday gave Syria's leading himataki UN inspectors investigating evidence that the republic's authorities did not use toxic substances. On Thursday, the media wrote that while the White House also can not provide indisputable evidence that it is involved in himatake Assad.
  9. Suhov
    Suhov 29 August 2013 19: 30 New
    +1
    Use homing icebergs.
    And the charges in our favor will be avoided.
  10. mr.Man
    mr.Man 29 August 2013 21: 34 New
    +2
    Quote: seasoned
    Yes, and it seems to me that we still can’t resist ...

    Resist some sort of aborigines, maybe there’s not enough strength ...
    But Russia will be able to answer Usa and Eureka once and for all .., only the next war will happen with stone axes ...
  11. xmel2003
    xmel2003 29 August 2013 21: 36 New
    +2
    There is nothing to confront: send the prime minister with a delegation there to restore the national economy, develop nuclear energy, the chemical industry, promote nanoprojects and democracy with the appropriate composition of the delegation.
    1. largus886
      largus886 30 August 2013 09: 03 New
      +1
      Cool thought! To send Medvedev to Syria with WELL VERY BIG DELEGATION of officials, let Syria be covered with their carcasses for a place of C 300!
  12. TIGER
    TIGER 29 August 2013 22: 31 New
    -2
    Certainly we can’t! THE ARMY IS DECLINED, AND THE STATE IS IN DECLINE !!!
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: TIGER
      Certainly we can’t! THE ARMY IS DECLINED, AND THE STATE IS IN DECLINE !!!

      Said it suddenly and bluntly!!! And so the silence in the library am
  13. aksakal
    aksakal 29 August 2013 22: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: seasoned
    So if you only give target designation and help electronic warfare to the best of your ability,

    plus the supply of good weapons in a set with good Russian military experts - this will be enough.
    But under two important and essential conditions:
    1. Syrians need to show courage, courage and a willingness to die for their homeland no less than what the Vietnamese showed in their dashing years
    2. The Syrians need to throw their national Arab pride away during the war! Military experts are not graduates of a school of good manners at all, but graduates of institutions where they teach how to competently kill the enemy, therefore they do not know how to politely explain, and they will not have time to thoroughly explain in order to master a complex technique. Checked - the person remembers well some very important information, if the presentation of this information is combined with some kind of harsh, preferably negative emotional shock. That is, in order to quickly and effectively instill that you should not stick your fingers into the socket or run abruptly out onto the road, while explaining "This cannot be" it is good to give a slap on the head from the heart. Association of "what is not" with pain in the back of the head - the information is remembered. Tested on children who are human too. Conclusion - military experts will teach Syrians about the same. The S-300 is a complex complex, it can be quickly mastered only on such methods. I served on the S-200, these were the methods we were taught. I especially remember this - on the S-200, in front of the launcher, a special very powerful hydraulic paw connected the launcher connector to the rocket. The zone of action of this paw was called the "sweeping zone", and the soldier should not be there at a certain time - you can guess the consequences. How they drummed it into us is a separate story. But I am not offended by sergeants and officers for this! But I was not banged by this hydrolap. I will round off - in short, the Syrians should not behave like these fools Egyptians in the 70s, who resented the Soviet military experts who tried to help them in the war against the Jews. You read Mubarak's memoirs - they celebrated the local victory of the Israeli pilots over the Soviet ones as their own victory! The mind does not fit. And I really hope that Russia will have nothing in common with Egypt. The betrayer once BETRAYED again. Let this Egypt all die in its Tahrir square - absolutely no emotions. That's where they go. And if Israel is still aggressive, then let all its aggression be directed at Egypt - no one here WILL have nothing against it. Even wipe this Cairo off the face of the earth. But the Syrians - DO NOT TOUCH!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 29 August 2013 23: 42 New
      0
      You are Muslim?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 30 August 2013 01: 20 New
        +6
        Quote: Den 11
        You are Muslim?

        Only by virtue of traditions and respect for decency, since this is the confession of my parents. But I don't read namaz, I don't fast. I am a typical scoop, I was taught atheism at school and Marxist-Leninist philosophy at the institute. And what about religion? And about religion brilliantly in Ilf and Petrov - "how much will we pay for the people?" And once again - "how much is opium for the people"? This is me about political religion in general and about political Islam in particular - I categorically do not accept this kind of mixing of the immiscible. This is in the first, and secondly, purely humanly, I appreciated the action of the Egyptians, not from the point of view of a Muslim, but from a human, FROM THE PATSAN (no need to laugh here, many life attitudes are laid during this period of life), if you like, points of view ! They themselves begged the USSR to help them, then they themselves beat them in the back, vigorously celebrated each murder of a Soviet military expert by an Israeli, and in the end geopolitically betrayed the USSR for a pinch of tobacco am For that matter, this is NOT a MUSLIM act, it is an act of a corrupt girl who only calls herself a Muslim on the grounds that she reads namaz and does some kind of external ostentatious Muslim rituals. But such a corrupt girl does not have a god in her soul! That’s the whole story. So I don’t have to take me to a Muslim.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 30 August 2013 01: 38 New
          +1
          I can’t say that I’m satisfied with your answer, because now the time is right to get closer to YOUR religion, the time of atheism (it seems to me) has already passed. Another question is what kind of current you will come to. Well, this is already personal! I, for example , I’m very good with Tatars (Tatar wife). And I’m very glad that everything is fine with Muslims! Children are the fruits of the love of the Orthodox and Muslim women. It happens in Russia as well. And THANKS TO GOD !!!
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            I can’t say that I’m satisfied with your answer, because now the time is right to get closer to YOUR religion, the time of atheism (it seems to me) has already passed. Another question is what kind of current you will come to. Well, this is already personal! I, for example , I’m very good with Tatars (Tatar wife). And I’m very glad that everything is fine with Muslims! Children are the fruits of the love of the Orthodox and Muslim women. It happens in Russia as well. And THANKS TO GOD !!!

            But what does religion have to do with it, it’s not entirely clear ... And so, I’m very happy for you hi
        2. Semen Semyonitch
          Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 51 New
          0
          aksakalu (1) KZ Today, 01:20 ↑
          Simple and easy to understand good
    2. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 48 New
      0
      Straight on Pavlov)))
  14. Krsk
    Krsk 29 August 2013 22: 50 New
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    , such as the Kyrgyz Republic or RCC lost its course and ended up in Russian.


    then you have to throw up "surprised" hands and say: well, there were no aircraft carriers here, we came and they are not. can we go on a spree?
    1. Semen Semyonitch
      Semen Semyonitch 30 August 2013 02: 58 New
      0
      Quote: KrSk
      Quote: seasoned
      , such as the Kyrgyz Republic or RCC lost its course and ended up in Russian.


      then you have to throw up "surprised" hands and say: well, there were no aircraft carriers here, we came and they are not. can we go on a spree?

      A new kind of aircraft carrier-submarine laughing
  15. AVV
    AVV 29 August 2013 22: 56 New
    -1
    Peter the Great needs to be there, by the way he would protect Tartus there, they would not dare to drown him, and they would stay away from him. Moscow to the Strait of Hormuz, and Peter the Great to the Mediterranean Sea !!! And not a single aircraft carrier will remain close !! !
  16. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 August 2013 23: 02 New
    +8
    Quote: seasoned
    The main thing is to carefully avoid provocations

    Wisely. yes
    About the situation. NATO's naval group will strike at identified targets (KP, PU, ​​airfields and air defense system). After the violation of command and control, mercenaries from Jordan, Turkey, etc. will move forward. Assad’s ground resistance will be broken by air strikes.
    Possible our actions. The naval grouping should occupy the sector and conduct electronic reconnaissance in order to determine the moment of impact of the Kyrgyz Republic, and the mass rise of aviation. Timely warn the Syrians about this.

    Quote: seasoned
    It is better to "blow into the water" and shoot down everything that flies in the affected area in advance

    You can shoot down only those missiles that go to the ship, or have a parameter less than 2,0 km. Then the "Dagger" can fire at these VCs in a machine gun. If the parameter is more than 2 km, such a target is considered not dangerous and the self-defense complex is not fired upon. (The rest of the air defense systems are for complacency). But such a decision can only be made by the "top" command, and then with good luck the Supreme Command, or the Ministry of Defense, as this is fraught with very serious consequences.
    Quote: seasoned
    Yes, and it seems to me that we still can’t resist ...

    Quote: seasoned
    so bullet, but to the other side from Russian ships and fly away from us

    It is bitter to admit, but it is true. The best thing you can do in this situation is to dig holes, or to sink some kind of hook.
    Actually, our ships are tracking the NATO grouping, fulfilling the BS mission. This is absolutely in the interests of our country, including relations with Syria.
  17. waisson
    waisson 30 August 2013 00: 51 New
    +1
    Now, if the Chinese fleet could still draw something, it turned out
  18. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 30 August 2013 02: 53 New
    -1
    Quote: seasoned
    Quote: donavi49
    Well, it really will not be very fast.


    The main thing is to carefully avoid provocations, such as the KR or the anti-ship missile system lost its course and ended up in the Russian ... It is better to "blow into the water" and shoot down everything that flies in the affected area in advance


    And here I disagree. It would be better if they actually accidentally hit ours, and meanwhile pull up a dozen multipurpose submarines there, so, just in case, all of a sudden, the Americans want to use chemical weapons. Although I agree to preventively shoot down everything that gets into the air defense zone.
  19. Sandov
    Sandov 30 August 2013 11: 01 New
    0
    Today there was information that the Europeans thought better of it and refused to participate in the Amer aggression against Syria. Something is changing in the world in a positive way.
  20. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 30 August 2013 15: 49 New
    0
    "Russia is strengthening the naval grouping off the coast of Syria" and will "observe" that the missiles would not go off course, but flew straight into the anus of the terrorists and sip them ...
  21. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 2 September 2013 12: 37 New
    +1
    The military significance of the point of logistics of the Russian Navy ships in Tartus is also greatly exaggerated. First of all, it is not a military base, as Tartus is mistakenly called. There is no fleet operational connection. Airplanes are not based there, and in general there are no conditions for receiving aviation. There are no military personnel - only civilian personnel. There is no hotel for sailors where they could rest - the crews remain on ships during the call at the port.

    The “Russian” Tartus is two non-stationary 110-meter floating piers (some sources claim that one: the second is dismantled and decommissioned), several onshore warehouses and a fence.
    -This is recourse a real reflection of our "presence" ...
  • teleset
    teleset 29 August 2013 15: 45 New
    +6
    In the event of an attack on Syria, Russia threatened the United States, Britain, France and Israel to launch a retaliatory strike against Saudi Arabia. Information leaked from the Kremlin. HERE LINK http://www.gegenfrage.com/russland-droht-mit-militaerschlag-gegen-saudi-arabien/
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 29 August 2013 15: 57 New
      22
      This is very correct. You can not give Syria.
      No one will dispute the fact that the first army after the United States is still Russian, respectively ... no one but us.
      But to be honest, the news is encouraging. After all, you can’t sit back ... oh, you can.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 16: 01 New
      17
      Quote: teleset
      In the event of an attack on Syria, Russia threatened to launch a retaliatory strike against Saudi Arabia

      This is the German press, and there are enough dreamers there.
      1. alone
        alone 29 August 2013 19: 30 New
        +1
        all this is unreal. another duck stoned German
    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 29 August 2013 17: 06 New
      +1
      Dreamers. Everyone is trying to add fuel to the fire.
    4. kaptri
      kaptri 29 August 2013 17: 53 New
      +3
      It’s time to disturb this hotbed of terrorism
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 29 August 2013 18: 43 New
        10
        Saudi Arabia and Kaрtar .. not only to disturb but in the tail and mane to raskhrenachit all that on which they once climbed ....
        It is enough to recall the threats of these mongrels and incidents with our ambassadors.
        1. shpuntik
          shpuntik 29 August 2013 19: 13 New
          +8
          Scoun SU Today, 18:43 PM ↑ New
          Saudi Arabia and Kartar .. not only to disturb but in the tail and mane to raskhrenachat all that on which they once climbed ....
          It is enough to recall the threats of these mongrels and incidents with our ambassadors.

          And AbuAmar of Chechen recall them, the war is still ongoing in the Caucasus, the soldiers are dying. We are already used to it, as it were, the norm. The Saudis are financing.
          It's the same with Afgan: we sowed everything with poppy seeds, we get "gerych", on a drum. "We do not inject, they say, and who injections is their problem." And the fact that young people are drawn in, put in clubs, at discos is not taken into account. For a long time they must be sprinkled with dust.
    5. the polar
      the polar 29 August 2013 18: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: teleset
      In the event of an attack on Syria, Russia threatened the United States, Britain, France and Israel to launch a retaliatory strike against Saudi Arabia. Information leaked from the Kremlin. HERE LINK http://www.gegenfrage.com/russland-droht-mit-militaerschlag-gegen-saudi-arabien/

      Crap. Sketch
    6. APASUS
      APASUS 29 August 2013 19: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: teleset
      In the event of an attack on Syria, Russia threatened to launch a retaliatory strike against Saudi Arabia. Information leaked out of the Kremlin’s circle.

      Then oil will cost like gold!
      And there is no need to talk about the recovery of the Western economy after the crisis. The third crisis, not all countries will be able to survive!
      1. observer
        observer 29 August 2013 21: 29 New
        0
        That's right! need to eliminate a competitor for the sale of oil! They themselves are still the Gavriks, who made a considerable contribution at the time for the collapse of the USSR
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 29 August 2013 22: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: APASUS
        Then oil will cost like gold!
        And there is no need to talk about the recovery of the Western economy after the crisis. The third crisis, not all countries will be able to survive!

        - I agree. The attack on Saudi Arabia has its own common sense, and in the first place - what you brought. And the second reason is to reckon with Saudi Arabia for its past in relation to Russia - Afghanistan, and Chechnya ... The third reason - for imperial ambitions, after all, in addition to immeasurable dough, you need to have science (including fundamental) and a completely fighting population with good military traditions. If the Saudis think that one dough is enough, that insolently throwing a geopolitical challenge to Russia, for example, the punishment should follow IMMEDIATELY. Otherwise, tomorrow any country in the Middle Ages, which suddenly had grandmothers, will "stir up the movement" - and what is it for? Ambitions must be confirmed NOT ONLY by BABKS!
        1. MstislavHrabr
          MstislavHrabr 30 August 2013 09: 42 New
          0
          And it would be great if chemical weapons "unexpectedly" worked in Saudi Arabia, and, in general, any distracting "accidents" in some not very democratic countries close to USAM would not hurt.
    7. Bonce
      Bonce 29 August 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: teleset
      In the event of an attack on Syria, Russia threatened the United States, Britain, France and Israel to launch a retaliatory strike against Saudi Arabia. Information leaked from the Kremlin. HERE LINK http://www.gegenfrage.com/russland-droht-mit-militaerschlag-gegen-saudi-arabien/


      Ducklings! Although it would be fun, it’s just not for oil wells (gas prices are scary anyway), but for the golden palaces of obscurantists.
      1. 31231
        31231 29 August 2013 21: 11 New
        +2
        Just the same in oil fields. Then the embargo will be lifted from Iran.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 29 August 2013 23: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Kumpol
        and so gas prices are terrible

        - Well, excuse me, dear. To war, that is
        Quote: Kumpol
        and so gas prices are terrible
        , and to whom - the mother is dear. There will be no Saudi oil - Russia and Kazakhstan will be on horseback for some time. Well, at least some time people will live. I just hope that at this very moment that Putin, that Nazarbayev, will stop sending money in the form of a "public welfare fund" laughing laughing laughing laughing (fund name what mocking laughing)
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 15: 58 New
    +3
    Quote: donavi49
    Moscow is now in Venezuela

    And in any case, he will go to Middle-earth returning to the base.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 16: 00 New
      +1
      Of course, the only question is when. Yesterday was Maduro and excursions. Today, obviously, no one is leaving yet. Plus, the transition itself is not fast, it’s far to go. By 10-numbers or even by mid-September will be, not earlier.
  • Su24
    Su24 29 August 2013 16: 19 New
    0
    And which ships are there at the moment?
  • Army1
    Army1 29 August 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    I wonder how many of our submarines are in the region, then there is 100%.
    1. kaptri
      kaptri 29 August 2013 17: 38 New
      0
      Only diesel submarines can produce the desired effect. For nuclear there it is small and cramped, especially with such a cluster of ships.
      1. 31231
        31231 29 August 2013 20: 01 New
        0
        Not a fact, civilian ships flicker on a peacetime schedule and our submarines can be attached behind them.
        1. teleset
          teleset 29 August 2013 23: 17 New
          0
          here the battle order of the American aircraft carrier approaching it unnoticed will be very difficult for the otaki.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 29 August 2013 22: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: kaptri
        For nuclear there is small and cramped, Especially with such a congestion ships.

        One can thin out.
        laughing
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 30 August 2013 00: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: kaptri
        Only diesel submarines can produce the desired effect.

        Yeah ... when it pops up to charge AB. And then 3 days will run from anti-submarine ships until it comes time to pop up for a new charge.
        Quote: kaptri
        For nuclear there it is small and cramped, especially with such a cluster of ships.

        Yes, not really. East - Levantine basin of the Mediterranean Sea, depth to 4 380 m, offshore from 200 to 800m. So it’s quite possible to try PLRK. But when the leadership of the 6 fleet receives a report on the PLA, then it will not be a joke. Especially if it will be an 971 project.
    2. the polar
      the polar 29 August 2013 18: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: Army1
      I wonder how many of our submarines are in the region, then there is 100%.

      Why are they there, and how will they crawl there?
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 29 August 2013 17: 23 New
    +2
    Few and long, do not have time to start. And if they succeed, they should shoot down all cruise missiles whenever possible, having publicly announced this in advance and warned the Yankees.
    1. 31231
      31231 29 August 2013 20: 09 New
      0
      Than?! Did you learn geometry ?! How can one ship intercept axes from several destroyers ?!
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 29 August 2013 22: 11 New
        0
        Quote: 31231
        Than?! Did you learn geometry ?! How can one ship intercept axes from several destroyers ?!

        Why are axes when there are destroyers ...
        wassat
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 29 August 2013 18: 11 New
    0
    If you look without sound, you can see the BOD "Kulakov" with cap.-2 at the head, if you listen ... then a cruiser with an admiral.
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 29 August 2013 18: 51 New
    0
    And who is chasing our pirates now?
  • Zen
    Zen 29 August 2013 22: 17 New
    +5
    I don’t understand one thing ... What do the Americans want ???
    Do they want a big war against Russia ???
    And who, by and large, is now able to confront Russia in an open war in the world ???
    Fat amers? Geyropa? Disunited Arabs? The Chinese ??? WHO ???
    Who can resist us people of the GREAT EMPIRE !!!
    Yes, I hate these dermocratizers with all my Heart, with all my Soul !!!
    And if necessary, the Russians in 2 weeks will reach the very west of Europe!
    And the matter is not in weapons, not in equipping the army ..... BUSINESS IN JUSTICE !!!!
    I believe that I will live to see the moment when their power collapses, the power of money and injustice !!!!
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 30 August 2013 02: 01 New
    0
    We can. At least one of our warships is a conflict! One thing is Syria, we are another. They won’t go to a super-conflict. Here, as Putin and the military-industrial complex decide. If yes, then they won’t climb the Middle Seas. And here is the proof ... ..... get, if not, I made a mistake in Putin.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 30 August 2013 04: 30 New
      0
      We don’t have the power for Russia to take concrete decisive actions. And the problem is not that we are weak, we still have gunpowder and, if we have the will, we can say our word that can stop Western aggression. If I find myself wrong .. ., but somehow I can’t believe it, it’s a pity ...
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 29 August 2013 15: 38 New
    +2
    Let's hope it's true ...
  • Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 29 August 2013 15: 39 New
    15
    faster! quickly form a support group for Syria. We cannot let it go. Syria is our frontier, Next is Iran, Russia ....
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach 29 August 2013 15: 39 New
    +2
    A couple of nuclear submarines and diesel-electric submarines there ... What would the adversary lose sleep.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 16: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: dmitreach
      A couple of nuclear submarines and diesel-electric submarines there.

      Better to the shores of the United States and exponentially emerge in the Hudson. So it will be more intelligible
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 29 August 2013 16: 11 New
        +3
        Aha! Accidentally "losing a training torpedo" in the waters of New York and remembering it after a couple of days .... It would be fun. Better yet, so that the American journalist would find her on some coast, within Manhattan. Like: the current carried it out .... :)
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 29 August 2013 16: 57 New
          24
          There is another option: LIMAN medium reconnaissance ship of the 861M project
          In the spring of 1999, "Liman" was in the Adriatic Sea in the immediate vicinity of the NATO operation zone against Yugoslavia and warned the Serbs of a new wave of raids. Thanks to him, the Yugoslavs saved many lives and technology. And in the case of Syria, it will be able to carry out target designation for the Yakhonts.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 29 August 2013 17: 15 New
            +1
            It goes without saying! I was not so much waiting for statements about the future plans of the RK "Moscow", but about the fact that there, in the Syrian neutral waters, there is already something similar! But there will be no information about this, as well as about our nuclear submarines ... We will only be shown BDK775 ...
          2. Karabin
            Karabin 29 August 2013 18: 13 New
            +4
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Thanks to him, the Yugoslavs saved many lives and equipment.

            And then they surrendered their heroes with giblets.
          3. gispanec
            gispanec 29 August 2013 18: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: Kibalchish
            And in the case of Syria, it will be able to carry out target designation for the Yakhonts.

            Yes mattresses will not go into the coverage area of ​​coastal complexes .... but to help Syria give data on the mass launch of axes and the departure of carrier-based and ground aviation this is the thing ... and this is REAL help !!!!
            1. the polar
              the polar 29 August 2013 18: 51 New
              -2
              Quote: gispanec
              Quote: Kibalchish
              And in the case of Syria, it will be able to carry out target designation for the Yakhonts.

              Yes mattresses will not go into the coverage area of ​​coastal complexes .... but to help Syria give data on the mass launch of axes and the departure of carrier-based and ground aviation this is the thing ... and this is REAL help !!!!

              To do this, it was necessary to conduct joint exercises and combat coordination, as well as organize a joint headquarters. And this is the entry into the war.
              You need to think before you dream.
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              2. gispanec
                gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 58 New
                +2
                Quote: Polar
                You need to think before you dream.

                I advise you to turn on the brain and not verbiage ... who do you think gave data during the raids on Yugoslavia ??? ... or were there previously planned exercises ?? ... funny ...
              3. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 30 August 2013 00: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Polar
                To do this, it was necessary to conduct joint exercises and combat coordination, as well as organize a joint headquarters. And this is the entry into the war.

                What for? Just send (seconded) the task force (6-8 people) to the headquarters with the task of warning about the attack of the air defense center (number, direction, flight time, estimated target of attack, etc.). They will be called volunteers and no entry into the war.
          4. 31231
            31231 29 August 2013 22: 01 New
            0
            A friend served then on him. I didn’t tell about the service, but the guy was terribly ballistic and smart.
          5. gunnerminer
            gunnerminer 31 August 2013 13: 59 New
            0
            He will not be able to. Such interaction is practiced in joint training and exercises. Such kind of joint training activities were not planned, plans were not drawn up, were not agreed upon, and were not approved by anyone.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 29 August 2013 22: 16 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Better to the shores of the United States and exponentially emerge in the Hudson.
        So it will be more intelligible

        And a company of airborne troops to land on the lawn in front of the White House.
        Well, to make it easier to understand ...
        laughing
  • S-200
    S-200 29 August 2013 15: 39 New
    +1
    And this is "something", if they have time ...
    At least from the Mediterranean, organize radar reconnaissance, detect sea-launched launches of the Kyrgyz Republic, try to bring down ...
    1. Val_y
      Val_y 29 August 2013 16: 13 New
      +6
      So there "Azov" is rummaging around, just for this. soldier
    2. gunnerminer
      gunnerminer 31 August 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      The Russian Air Force has only two A-50 aircraft that have undergone modernization. It is impossible to base it at the airports of Maytig, Benghazi in Libya or in Ras Baniyas in Syria. The necessary air cover for these sides at the Mediterranean Naval Theater is impossible.
  • little man
    little man 29 August 2013 15: 40 New
    +7
    Eh, with "Ukraine" would still be dealt with and brought to mind. How would she fit in now!
    1. S-200
      S-200 29 August 2013 15: 52 New
      +8
      Quote: man
      Eh, with "Ukraine" would still be dealt with and brought to mind. How would she fit in now!

      Yes, we do not need ALL "Ukraine"! Only Crimea is enough! wassat
      We do not feed ALL ... crying
      1. sub307
        sub307 29 August 2013 16: 06 New
        14
        The issue with Crimea ... there was no need to create "hemorrhoids". "Thanks" to Nikita Sergeevich.
      2. Val_y
        Val_y 29 August 2013 16: 15 New
        0
        Come on, maybe now Odessa, Nikolaev, Kherson, etc. somehow they depend on Kiev (they all earn money themselves, but Kiev only drinks ... t afford it)
      3. alexng
        alexng 29 August 2013 16: 20 New
        +6
        - How do you feel about money?
        - I do not belong to them! - answered proudly hryvnia.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +4
      Quote: man
      Eh, with "Ukraine" would still be dealt with and brought to mind

      Uh, the child has been waving for 22 years, however. It’s sinking, then we’ll talk.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 29 August 2013 16: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        the child has been waving for 22 years, however. Bread

        All this time, the child sucked on his paw. Soon he will have to try another part of the body. wassat
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 29 August 2013 16: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Ruslan67
          this time, the child sucked on his paw. Soon he will have to try another part of the body.

          Ruslan, hi ! And then if it reaches ....
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 29 August 2013 17: 50 New
            +2
            Hi hi hi They will want to eat out laughing
            1. gispanec
              gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 48 New
              +4
              Quote: Ruslan67
              They will want to eat out

              I'm sorry, but I live in cheat I want to eat earlier than they ..... and this is a FACT ..... do not judge by the nearby supermarket
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 29 August 2013 20: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: gispanec
                but I live in cheat I want to eat earlier than they.

                If you hold back from the EU, it’s possible what And that’s not a fact - all the same, the gap between us is growing and it’s not from Russia that they go there to earn money
                Quote: gispanec
                ..Do not judge by a nearby supermarket

                I even do not judge trips to office plankton on credit machines and with VIP tours to third world countries wassat
                1. gispanec
                  gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 43 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  If you hold back from the EU, it’s possible. And it’s not a fact.

                  I wanted to eat in the year 75 ... although from a family of officers .... and in 97, having visited my homeland, I wanted to eat no less .... your post is inappropriate .... you just watched my post, my friends every year go to Chita to raft on I don’t remember what the river is called ..... the bugger is taken from the center of Russia ... of course it is there ... but all of China .... and what is there in the cannabis incomprehensible ... well, about fruit and so everything is clear
                2. gispanec
                  gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 48 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Ruslan67
                  I'm even on office plankton on credit cars

                  you are just an embittered Troll .... if you drive everyone under credit cars ...... I’m like an aunt in years, but looks quite 35-45, she said the same ... literally “bought cars on credit ... you can't go through ... office "so I answered her .... that I took the car on credit ... I stole it and now I just trudge ..... so you reminded me of it right now ..... you complex ... it's a fact to them
                  1. Ruslan67
                    Ruslan67 29 August 2013 22: 12 New
                    +2
                    Quote: gispanec
                    you are just embittered troll ..

                    And you are a beginner wassat
                    Quote: gispanec
                    I also wanted to eat in 75 ... although from a family of officers .... and in 97, having been in my homeland, I wanted to eat no less ...

                    Maybe it's time to eat something? And do not be rude, it is fraught angry
            2. Tersky
              Tersky 29 August 2013 22: 05 New
              +1
              Quote: Ruslan67
              They will want to eat out

              Well, maybe something like this laughing :
    3. My address
      My address 29 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +3
      Smerdyukov blabbed the cruiser "Ukraine".
      1. seller trucks
        seller trucks 29 August 2013 16: 24 New
        +7
        funny conversation, some about the cruiser, others about the misunderstanding W, like a blind man with a deaf.
        1. little man
          little man 29 August 2013 16: 42 New
          +1
          yeah. I meant the cruiser, but still in the subject smile
          1. Kibalchish
            Kibalchish 29 August 2013 17: 49 New
            -1
            "Ukraine" is already in such a state that it can only be scrapped. Alas.
            1. Donetskiy
              Donetskiy 29 August 2013 18: 31 New
              11
              If the ship’s metal is corroded from above, this does not mean that it is in poor condition. The cruiser is mothballed and connected by an umbilical cord to the plant, and the necessary microclimate is maintained on board all the years, which, incidentally, costs a lot of money. There were reports and from them it was possible to judge that he was at least in good condition.
              1. egor 1712
                egor 1712 29 August 2013 19: 51 New
                +1
                And that there are no prospects for a cruiser? Didn't hear anything?
              2. gispanec
                gispanec 29 August 2013 22: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: Donetskiy
                if the ship’s metal is corroded from above, this does not mean that it is in poor condition. The cruiser is mothballed and connected by an umbilical cord to the plant, and the necessary microclimate is maintained on board all the years, which, incidentally, costs a lot of money. There were reports and from them it was possible to judge that he was at least in good condition

                I wrote the same thing below, but I got -5 from the marshals, and then +7 ... hurray smelling Russia ... trolls and goblins are not only in power but here !!!
            2. gispanec
              gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 53 New
              -3
              Quote: Kibalchish
              "Ukraine" is already in such a state that it can only be scrapped. Alas.

              yes you seem to be a goblin ...... sorry, but I’ll only apologize when you give the example of metal fatigue and corrosion using chemical compounds used in alloys as an example when creating the hull of this vessel, and since I have an idea .. .... then you goblin !!
        2. gispanec
          gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: seller trucks
          funny conversation, some about the cruiser, others about the misunderstanding W, like a blind man with a deaf.

          +100% ... nothing to add .... and my post is just + you
    4. gispanec
      gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: man
      Eh, with "Ukraine" would still be dealt with

      so for this we need a POLITICAL decision ..... and we have a pure economy in our heads ... like a rusty trough which is not necessary for nothing .... only nubasy write and think so ... the hulls of these cruisers are made of what steel and alloys ?? ... who knows? I know ... and .... it’s pointless to explain and paint it .... they’ll be covered up with answers that do not correspond to reality ...
  • Victor-M
    Victor-M 29 August 2013 15: 43 New
    31
    The United States only succeeds in saving the world in its dirty films, but in reality, Russia does it.
  • Pit
    Pit 29 August 2013 15: 43 New
    16
    In the whole story with chemical weapons, I like this:
    NATO ambassadors state that information on the involvement of the Bashar al-Assad government in the chemical attack near Damascus is confirmed from several sources

    So they call these militants and ask:
    - Do you shoot chemistry?
    And those to them:
    - No, not us.
    - Right?
    - Exactly, but I’ll also ask Ahmed from Ali ...
    No, they didn’t shoot either.
    Well, the ambassador is told about several sources.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 29 August 2013 17: 59 New
      12
      On Wednesday, NATO ambassadors stated that the information about the involvement of the government of Bashar Assad in Damascus under himatake confirmed from multiple sources, and British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the possibility of foreign intervention even without the unanimous support of all members of the UN Security Council.

      MOSCOW, Aug 28 - RIA News. Russia cannot prevent the military intervention of the United States and several other Western countries in the Syrian conflict, Moscow will not take any military action, but it will try to organize a group of countries opposed to military actions in Syria, experts interviewed by RIA Novosti say.

      РИА Новости http://ria.ru/arab_sy/20130828/959124727.html#ixzz2dMl6fwc7

      In the event of US military intervention in Syria, Russia will lead the unification of countries opposing American actions. "The reaction will be political, sharply negative. Probably, Russia will use the forthcoming informal BRICS meeting" on the sidelines "of the G13 in early September and then the SCO summit in Bishkek on September XNUMX. Russia will try to organize an impressive group of countries that will sharply reject this practice ( forceful intervention of Western countries in the affairs of Syria) ", - the expert concluded.

      RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/arab_sy/20130828/959124727.html#ixzz2dMlXhvda

      WITH THEM YOU NEED ONLY SO:
  • elmi
    elmi 29 August 2013 15: 45 New
    +8
    The good news, no matter how late it would be, would be in time.
  • artemiy
    artemiy 29 August 2013 15: 46 New
    +3
    Fair wind guys! If only we had time!
  • demon ada
    demon ada 29 August 2013 15: 47 New
    +5
    assumption:
    maybe Moscow is carrying a military specialist from Cuba and from Venezuela.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 August 2013 15: 48 New
    +5
    the operational formation of the Russian Navy in the Mediterranean Sea "although it did not receive an introduction to fight with anyone, is ready for any action to protect Russian national interests in the region."
    Read the full story: http://rus.ruvr.ru/news/2013_08_29/Istochnik-Rossijskij-Genshtab-obnovljaet-grup

    pirovku-VMF-v-Sredizemnom-more-9973 /
    The Russian Navy is configured for combat and this is not unimportant !!
  • artemiy
    artemiy 29 August 2013 15: 50 New
    +7
    And where is the Chinese interesting ???
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 15: 55 New
      +9
      Nearest Chinese in Aden:
      destroyer Harbin, frigate 054A. They are conducting exercises there with the Americans on the effective fight against piracy.
    2. Oleg14774
      Oleg14774 29 August 2013 16: 20 New
      27
      Quote: artemiy
      And where is the Chinese interesting ???

      The Chinese in jo ... ne. They sleep and see how Russia would have plunged into it and they turned out to be the ones who forgive me ....! Both ours and yours. They are not reliable.
      1. a52333
        a52333 29 August 2013 17: 09 New
        +3
        China "must clearly state its position on the situation in Syria." They also emphasize that the Syrian crisis "could strengthen China's trusting relationship with some other states."
        A similar position is held by the China Daily. One of her publications says that "without a solid legal basis, military intervention in Syria will be a gross violation of international law." The publication notes that accusing the Syrian government of using chemical weapons before the UN investigation, "the United States and its allies act like executioners."
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 August 2013 15: 50 New
    -29
    Too late to drink Borjomi my friend. Tsushima reminds.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 16: 02 New
      18
      Not a single ship was sent - they surrendered to Syria! Putin is an agent of the West !!! 111
      Ships sent - Tsushima, why!?! 11
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 29 August 2013 16: 04 New
        14
        And these are such specially trained individuals, they do not like everything.
      2. Val_y
        Val_y 29 August 2013 16: 17 New
        +9
        Trolls and hamsters, friendly, not paying attention, they are at work.
      3. arnulla
        arnulla 29 August 2013 23: 48 New
        0
        This is called the information war ...
    2. gispanec
      gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 55 New
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Tsushima reminds.

      for more details ... what personally reminds you of TsUSIMU? and what do you personally know about this battle ... you’re a real goblin with a tail for self-reproduction
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 August 2013 09: 47 New
        -1
        When a person has nothing to answer on the topic, he goes on to the individual. And according to Tsushima, then Rozhestvensky’s campaign was doomed already at the time of the 2nd squadron’s release. Read the story, dear ELF
  • crambol
    crambol 29 August 2013 16: 05 New
    -1
    In the coming days, it will be replenished by a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet,


    Lord They will bare the whole north!
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 29 August 2013 16: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: crambol
      Lord They will bare the whole north!


      Who are you so afraid of? Thank God, the Bulava can fly well now.
    2. egor 1712
      egor 1712 29 August 2013 19: 55 New
      0
      Peter stayed there!
    3. gispanec
      gispanec 29 August 2013 21: 28 New
      -2
      Quote: crambol
      In the coming days, it will be replenished by a large anti-submarine ship of the Northern Fleet,


      Lord They will bare the whole north!

      so you are the one who dreams of Russia with a small letter ...... but to hell with you
  • sub307
    sub307 29 August 2013 16: 08 New
    +2
    "On Wednesday, NATO ambassadors said that information about the involvement of Bashar al-Assad's government in the chemical attack near Damascus was confirmed from several sources, and British Foreign Minister William Hague announced the possibility of foreign intervention even without the unanimous support of all UN Security Council members."
    And who had doubts about "being confirmed"?
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 August 2013 16: 13 New
    +3
    Quote: donavi49
    Not a single ship was sent - they surrendered to Syria! Putin is an agent of the West !!! 111
    Ships sent - Tsushima, why!?! 11

    It was necessary to send earlier, when the meaning was. And in the fall, what will they do there? Now it’s not ships, planes need to be sent.
    1. azkolt
      azkolt 29 August 2013 19: 01 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, I completely agree with you. I treat all these attempts with pessimism. It seems to me that getting ready is just an excuse. Libya was handed over directly by Medvedev. Now they will spread their hands, "they did not have time." If there was a real desire to help Syria, ships should have been sent there on August 21!
  • jon111
    jon111 29 August 2013 16: 14 New
    -1
    Where is Petya? maybe him there? well, or that would be nearby.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 August 2013 16: 19 New
    +5
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    In the fall, the Varyag missile cruiser of the Pacific Fleet, which will replace the Pacific Fleet Vice Admiral Panteleev’s large anti-submarine ship, which is currently performing combat missions as part of the operational unit, will replenish the Mediterranean naval group, the Interfax reports.


    Interfax drives. It is written: "The Varyag will join the group in the fall," and not "replace Panteleev." Simply put, "And you, Panteleev, I will ask you to stay."
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 August 2013 09: 39 New
      0
      I really want to believe.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 August 2013 16: 24 New
    +2
    American sources are somewhat reminiscent of a city sewer after a breakthrough: it flows and it stinks, and whose shit sort it out yourself! They themselves have been shitting (their special forces, which they covered) themselves and let them gobble up!
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  • Vitali-46
    Vitali-46 29 August 2013 16: 29 New
    0
    Quote: jon111
    Where is Petya? maybe him there? well, or that would be nearby.

    Is it true where Petya is? Tell me who is in the know ???
    1. experienced
      experienced 29 August 2013 16: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Vitaliy-46
      But where is Petya?

      Well, if you recall the bearded anecdote, then Petya at the rally, and Mitya at the petition laughing
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 16: 53 New
      +3
      Petya in the north, he has the Arctic 2013 program.

      Initially, Kuznetsov and several ships (Wise / Undaunted and BOD with SF) were planned for the second half of autumn and winter. But how it will be unclear now. Kuzya is being cooked, but it will not really come soon (months through 2). They also wanted to take the first MiG-29K / UB, but this will not grow together because they will be handed over closer to the end of the year, and not in the summer, as MiG promised.
    3. gispanec
      gispanec 29 August 2013 19: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Vitaliy-46
      Is it true where Petya is? Tell me who is in the know ???

      Petka in the North ... Dorlozhen stand up for a scheduled repair .... let it become ... and without it there is someone to scan and report on the customs ...
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 30 August 2013 00: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: gispanec
        .and without it there is someone to scan and report on the customs ...

        Respected! At least on wikis, look at the range of tasks that AVU solves. (our Kuzya is a really light aircraft carrier).
        1. old man54
          old man54 30 August 2013 01: 23 New
          -1
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          (our Kuzya is a really light aircraft carrier).

          strange, I thought he was "average", ie. not a shock, but not an easy AB! And in general, it seems to me that they are judged by the displacement, and if you look at it, then "Admiral Kuznetsov" does not get tired of the same "Midway" (65000 gross tons) and significantly surpasses the "Essex". All these AV amers were never considered easy! And to compare our Kuznetsov with the same really light AV type "Invisible" or the Spaniard "Prince of Asturias" well, that right is not worth it at all! laughing
          hi
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 30 August 2013 04: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: old man54
            strange, I thought he was "average", ie. not a shock, but not an easy AB!

            Trendsetters in this matter are amers. According to their classification, AV carriers 20-50 LA - belong to the lungs; 70-100 aircraft are heavy. (http://forum.worldofwarships.ru)
  • IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 29 August 2013 16: 39 New
    15
    Something is wrong here. From the beginning, our ships were parted in a ball, and now we are hurrying into the bath, closer to Syria. It seems that the Americans will bomb a day or two, by this time ours will come up and everything will calm down. The Americans save face and we kind of did not give up.
  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 29 August 2013 16: 58 New
    +1
    Maybe I'm off topic ... I recalled the Fiume incident. Weakly ours or not to do the same? Or are the days when the honor of the flag was not an empty word gone?
  • morprepud
    morprepud 29 August 2013 17: 33 New
    0
    In short, everyone to take their places, anchor removed !!!
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 29 August 2013 17: 41 New
    0
    Yes ... the situation is heating up .... tell me, my friends, comrades, does Assad have a submarine ?? .... I just don’t know ... litter
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 18: 23 New
      +1
      It was 3x633 but they were of no use, they were making noise all over the sea, and the old ones were rusty, back in 2008, they were put in reserve.
  • rumatam
    rumatam 29 August 2013 17: 55 New
    +5
    eh, the Syrians would have shuffled one American "enterprise" and the world would have become 100% quieter. Well, ours certainly need to merge intelligence in full, if there is any.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 29 August 2013 18: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: rumatam
      eh, the Syrians would have shuffled one American "enterprise"

      You are a little late with advice. USS Enterprise is already in the process of disassembling "on pins and needles". Learn materiel.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 August 2013 18: 01 New
    0
    THAT SENT, THEN DON'T SEND, damn THAT, I THINK OUR ALREADY AT THE GULF OF MEXICO
  • Antokha
    Antokha 29 August 2013 18: 09 New
    +3
    Now we need to do everything possible (Physically, diplomatically, informationally) to prevent an attack on Syria. I hope that the right decisions are made in political and military circles!
  • Georgic
    Georgic 29 August 2013 18: 13 New
    0
    Well, APLRK is exactly at the Gulf of Mexico
  • Karabin
    Karabin 29 August 2013 18: 26 New
    0
    Later, according to the source, “the Black Sea Fleet missile cruiser Moscow will join it,

    Later, when is this? And most importantly, why? Watch how the Syrians are being healed? Or are we going to provide practical assistance to Assad? Or just scare ** ndos threatening view of the five ships? You must admit that a miserable picture emerges - NATO members bulging with Tomahawks against the background of Russian ships smoking on the sidelines.
    1. egor 1712
      egor 1712 29 August 2013 20: 05 New
      +2
      It seems to me that Moscow was not alone on the shores of America. Somewhere below, she pulled up a submarine in the noise of her propellers
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 August 2013 18: 30 New
    +7
    I was always amazed at the expense of the "world community" of liberals "Fighters for human rights" Today and tomorrow they will start bombing another state "where there is no democracy!" and bombard from afar with the main and powerful weapon of all defenders of "democracy" WINGED ROCKETS ($ 1.5 million) each and they will fly in hundreds on the heads of the common people .. Note how the LGBT defended what howl was in the world ... AND NOW SILENCE ...
  • Horst78
    Horst78 29 August 2013 18: 42 New
    +3
    Stop showing eyebrows, show teeth am
  • alex5zahar211
    alex5zahar211 29 August 2013 18: 43 New
    +2
    Yes, ours would have gathered in the Mediterranean Sea. Yes, how would they have made a rustle there and nothing more in the way.
  • alex5zahar211
    alex5zahar211 29 August 2013 18: 53 New
    0
    After Syria, our Caucasus, and these fanatics do not need to be tuned at all, they were already tuned. There was a Vostok squad, but Putin was losing everything to him. I put him down below the baseboard. They are only afraid of losing their pipe; they don’t care about Syria. already passed here I am waiting for the NKI until the dogs of the United Nations come out of there and then begin.
  • Prishtina
    Prishtina 29 August 2013 18: 53 New
    0
    In general, the Chinese are touching ... where are their tricky new items of the Navy ?? or are they paravozim yapping behind our broad back ???
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 29 August 2013 19: 29 New
      +5
      Novelties run in the Yellow Sea. Here is the latest news - 052D.

      China will not participate in the defense of Syria directly. It is not his responsibility to squeeze the shelf from the Philippines using practice - but you did it in Syria / Libya / Iraq and we will do it - it can be, squeezing the islands from Japan is also a priority of 1. Going to the other end of the world, in isolation from supply bases, air cover (Philippine disputed area and islands under the umbrella of Su-30, J-10, J-11) for Syria, which is not really needed - this will not be.

      And yet, the main thesis of the PRC's policy "Let the tigers fight, and we will observe, when the tigers run out of breath, we will destroy them at once."
  • Horst78
    Horst78 29 August 2013 18: 56 New
    +1
    Today I suddenly thought. And if ours quietly find (steal) "Mr." Clinton and "Mr." Sarkozy and hand them over (accidentally lose) the guys from the Jamahiriya and they will do with them the same as with the respected Muammar Gaddafi. Then when I see this video I will say "WOW WOW WOW they are DIED"
    PS I apologize for the emotions. (tired of keeping to himself)
  • alex5zahar211
    alex5zahar211 29 August 2013 19: 08 New
    0
    The Bilderberg club threw themselves off and decided to play fun in bombing Syria. It’s just how tired these scum Jewish with their Hasidism are. It’s a pity that their Hitler did not burn to the end in ansvensen.
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 29 August 2013 19: 11 New
    +1
    There are a lot of Russian citizens here to explain the situation to the incomprehensible overseas residents, but we won’t give our offense. And with all the power of Russian weapons. Can you change your mind? Or is the Kremlin sobbing? So after Iran, and then we ourselves ....
  • sergej30003
    sergej30003 29 August 2013 19: 24 New
    0
    Of course, a spoon for lunch is good, in such a difficult international situation, we must have a clenched fist to protect our interests and allies, it’s good if they manage to strengthen the grouping of our ships off the coast of Syria, and if the amers strike soon, then “what the hell they were carried to these galleys by the "shortsightedness of our commanders?" or maybe we thought that NATO was pulling the fleet to the shores of Syria for rest?
  • alex5zahar211
    alex5zahar211 29 August 2013 19: 25 New
    -11
    The same Jews are sitting in the Kremlin. Putin is one of them. The family of such Rhodschilds is all familiar. Until recently, they bought up our aluminum plants, etc., etc. All regions ate breathing, all coming to work in Moscow from the regions.? why yes because the whole industry is at the stages of bankruptcy. I also admired Putin earlier, but after a series of terrorist attacks on the territory of Russia. Which were not committed by terrorists at all, but by our special services under Putin, I generally lost faith in all this government. Our economy is sitting on a pipe everyone knows. Our science is governed by Chubais. Scientists half had a good night's sleep and half went abroad. How else to convince our people that we are meat, sheep. Under the cap of this Jewish administration. Serdyukov planted x .. and put a secretary to his scapegoat. So piz .. Syria will not wait for help.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 August 2013 19: 32 New
    0
    Strengthening the group - this is not ensuring superiority! As a rule, this means ensuring self-preservation and no more. This is a factor in the manifestation of political aspirations, which in reality does not ensure the prevention of real threats to partners and is purely political in nature.
    Bringing the Russian Armed Forces to alert, and even more so coordinated actions with the Armed Forces of China, Syria and Iran, really represent a real readiness to ensure non-interference in Syrian affairs. But this will not happen - our personal, even if consolidated, public aspirations to repulse possible aggression, relations are breaking between political and economic interstate relations. Thank God (although "Thomas" is not a believer, but baptized), the current leadership of Russia does not focus on purely political dividends, but also measures the possible risks in the long term.
  • slvevg
    slvevg 29 August 2013 19: 40 New
    +1
    santor
    milkman !!! drinks Naryl good Old. Thank you. Some puzzles were in place ...
  • sad33
    sad33 29 August 2013 19: 45 New
    -6
    I don’t understand something ... explain, gentlemen ... why do we need Syria? how long have you become our friends? or is it money interest? then this is another topic ... when in Vietnam there was a mess with missile complexes in three shifts loaded ... they were not afraid of anyone and did not conduct negotiations ... and now they are consulting ... they call back ... the loot is being divided in Syria ? "" "can I call you, find out whether to hit you in the face or not? okay? .... thanks ..." ""
    1. sashka
      sashka 29 August 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: sad33
      ... explain gentlemen ... why do we need Syria? How long have you become our friends? or is it a matter of monetary interest?

      If we leave, we will have to deal with the Caspian Sea in the foreseeable future .. Now it’s not about money, but about principle .. Who will sit out whom playing on nerves and demonstrating determination. I personally have my own selfish interest, (very bad, but it is) to see how the S-300 "work". Is it as they say ..
    2. 31231
      31231 29 August 2013 22: 08 New
      0
      And besides the Soviet newspapers of that period, do you know all diplomacy in Vietnam?
  • Renat
    Renat 29 August 2013 19: 47 New
    -5
    Where and what maneuvers makes our surface fleet more or less clear. And what is busy, and most importantly, in what waters are our nuclear submarines? This is a state secret as I understand it.
    1. tomas.09
      tomas.09 29 August 2013 19: 59 New
      -1
      Yes there are already traffic jams from atomic submarines. It's time to set traffic lights !!!
    2. sashka
      sashka 29 August 2013 20: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Renat
      This is a state secret as I understand it.

      What are you, what are you .. Every kiosk has a route and a timetable for the nuclear submarines .. What kind of heresy are you talking about ??
      1. Renat
        Renat 29 August 2013 20: 29 New
        -2
        Do you work at a kiosk?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 August 2013 19: 49 New
    -1
    The trolls activated, which is not surprising ... heh heh .. They are waiting for the start of the volume launchhawks Oh well..
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 29 August 2013 19: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Renat
    Where and what maneuvers makes our surface fleet more or less clear. And what is busy, and most importantly, in what waters are our nuclear submarines? This is a state secret as I understand it.

    aha now coordinates will be specified and laid out in interest .. gee
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  • Naval
    Naval 29 August 2013 20: 07 New
    +5
    And after with a heroic victory
    Back to the rocky shores.
    Though the waves moan and cry
    And splashing on the side of the ship
    But joyfully will meet the heroes Rybachy -
    Our dear land.

    Fleet - keep it up !!!!
    Have a good sea guys!
  • d_t_p
    d_t_p 29 August 2013 20: 13 New
    +3
    Yes guys ...
    It would be good now to stir up all our potential allies.
    Egypt, Pakistan, who are now turning America back and AZ to her AZ!
    Iran, which must be fully aware of the danger of crappy democratization of its only ally.
    And even China, which would seem to be far away and out of business, but which will be in trouble if NATO approaches its western borders!