Uprising officials

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At the end of last week, a large-scale action was held in the capital’s Suvorov Square in the pouring rain, which was directed against the decision of the Ministry of Education to reform the Russian Academy of Sciences in the form in which this reform is indicated in the plan. Recall, the reformist idea in terms of the RAS is related to the fact that the Russian government is going to unite several academies at once, entrusting the management of the property to third-party semi-semi LLC, which can be formed under the auspices of the Cabinet of Ministers. At the same time, the scientific powers of the Academy were proposed to be transferred onto the shoulders of individual universities, which should independently develop science with the “large-scale” attraction of extra-budgetary funds. The meaning of the reform is the blind copying of overseas experience, which, to put it mildly, in our realities today is reckless. And recklessly - this is at least ...

Uprising officials


It should be immediately noted that the rally held in Moscow was not associated with any political predilections of those gathered. Representatives of certain political forces were simply not allowed to the rally, and the main participants of the action - Russian scientists and teachers - did not go at all under party banners, but with banners calling for the resignation of Education Minister Dmitry Livanov and all authors of the bill. This united them without any party paradigm.

During the action, one of its participants, Igor Mikhailov, a staff member of the Institute of Philosophy of the Russian Academy of Sciences, expressed an interesting idea. Mikhailov, a senior researcher at the Russian Academy of Sciences, during his speech before a scrubbing public, but not in a hurry to disperse, said that today Russia is dealing with an uprising of officials.

We are dealing with an uprising of officials. We have fundamental differences with them. Scientists are open to criticism, rely on arguments, support democratization, and all this is hateful for officials. To survive, they destroy science.


"The uprising of officials." But this apt expression of Igor Mikhailov can be easily transferred to all present reality. Not only the scientific sphere is faced with the real bureaucratic arbitrariness. They rebel against common sense and public opinion, against the administration of rational politics and against attempts to point out cons. Many readers will ask: what, in fact, is this outrage?

If we talk about the reform of the RAS (as one of the examples), then this is one of the most veiled projects of the newest stories. It’s no joke to tell the public (including the academicians themselves) that the names of the authors of the reform have not yet been represented. The reform is constantly commented, it is praised by Olga Golodets, then Dmitry Livanov, then representatives of the parliamentary majority, but no one (again, no one!) Acknowledges authorship. An amazing thing turns out: the government promotes reform, for which deputies positively vote in two readings, which, judging by conversations with academics, the president also supports, but no one can answer: who is the author of this reform document subjected to overt obstruction by the scientific community ... Maybe he sent ...?

Do not put your signature, hide the authorship - a strange conspiracy, which, apparently, proves that the document is really a big D ...

But the government stubbornly continues to ignore neither the reaction of scientists, nor the reaction of those who are also not indifferent to the fate of Russian science, which they are persistently pushing into private hands. The bureaucratic army unambiguously hints at the fact that “we will accept all the same”, that “we have your opinion - damn you” ... The uprising of the officials? At least something very similar to him.

The reform of the RAS is not the only example. The initial stage of military reform is from the same series. The disbanding of a considerable number of military schools; the closure of dozens of military airfields; reduction of military pilots, medical staff; closing schools ensigns; a ban on the participation of pupils of Suvorov schools in solemn parades and marches; withdrawal of disciplines from the VCA program; related to military affairs; epaulets on the stomach; Uncontrolled outsourcing, in which close relatives of high-ranking military officials received access to military unit budgets under the guise of independent owners of outsourcing companies; sale of land of military sites; disbanding hundreds of military camps. This list goes on and on. Now they are scratching turnips and reforming them back, only this is not always and not everywhere possible.

Personnel and retired officers sent letters to various bureaucratic addresses with a request to stop the orgy, which is directly related to the collapse of army traditions and the army itself. In this case, the letters in most cases remained unanswered. The uprising of officials continued here exactly until the main defense reformer got into a love scandal and lost his cushy job along with numerous blond “specialists” in military affairs, walking shoulder to shoulder with the minister for life from one department to another.

Police reform police. When the citizens of the country who (the people of Russia) seem to be the main source of power in the country, the reform ideologists asked questions about what would change from changing a pair of letters in the name, signs, forms and details in terms of fighting crime - they either mooed in response something unintelligible, or simply fended off as from annoying flies. Like, still reformed. Your opinion, to put it mildly, is of little concern to us. Reformed ...
Laughing crime, to which a small percentage of the officials themselves is directly related ...

Introduce zero ppm, check technical inspection, return non-zero ppm, transfer inspection to private companies, linking it to insurance ... Prohibit the switch, allow to transfer, again prohibit, then promise to think it over ... Express that during the pension reform the retirement age does not rise will then declare that it will be necessary to raise, since these pensioners have divorced a lot ... In the course of the education reform, introduce the term “inefficient universities”, bring hundreds of institutes, universities and academies there not that they learn few foreign students or insufficient training area, then think, and to reduce the list ... then again and again to expand the list to cut. To criticize one ex-leader in tatters, then think and give him an order ...

It seems that our officials are not that even rebelled. They are simply in the mode of weak troechnik (this is still at best) doing some kind of laboratory and practical work, in which military, doctors, teachers, scientists, drivers and other citizens are used as the experimental material - we are with you. And if we are experimental material, then who will ask us how appropriate and inappropriate ... Who are asking white mice in laboratories? .. True, the example with white mice is not entirely accurate, as in the case of them there is a chance that these experiments will still benefit the civilization ... Who will benefit from the experiences of our officials? - as they say, guess from three attempts ...
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  1. +38
    30 August 2013 08: 50
    Yes. This "initiative group" must be cleared out of the government. Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, military, USE. Take your liberal little hands away from us.
    1. +40
      30 August 2013 09: 20
      It seems that there is a deliberate destruction of our education and science, as you can see from Chubais’s followers.
      1. +33
        30 August 2013 09: 46
        I went to the first grade to one daughter, talked with the school principal - he gave me a secret that the Ministry of the Moscow Region demanded that his school collect 700.000 rubles a month from every opportunity. I say, how is it so? because the school was not originally a commercial project and is not profit-oriented, he took a deep breath and said, “many people complain that books are paid or extort for repairs — it annoys me all, but to collect these 700 pieces I have to use those funds , which are allocated to the school for the purchase of books, for repairs, for lunch, to transfer and rent as a profit, otherwise the ministry begins to dynamize the school in black, and naturally, when there is no money left for the needs, I simply have to buy the same books with the help of my parents.
        It turns out I say the absurd situation that the funds allocated to schools go back to where they came from, that is, almost 100% rollback is obtained. Nekhilo Lebanon settled down I say. The director is good and sincere - it pleases, we want to write a general statement to the prosecutor’s office with all the facts and substitutions of financial documents.
        Such a tin
        Just in case, I decided to look for textbooks that I studied in the 80s and study additionally according to a Truly high-quality school curriculum.
        1. -4
          30 August 2013 20: 08
          Quote: afire
          talked with the school principal - he gave me a secret that the Ministry of the Moscow Region demanded that his school collect 700.000 rubles a month from every opportunity

          and you do not allow. what is corny lying to you, because not to check the same? bully And he personally collects a dudble for himself under this business, eh? wink
          1. +3
            31 August 2013 02: 15
            Quote: afire
            otherwise, the ministry begins to dynamize the school in black, and naturally, when there is no money left for the needs, I simply have to buy the same books with the help of my parents.

            Well, we don’t have much less, just 500 mowers, I suggested switching to tablets instead of textbooks, especially since you only need to buy one copy for each subject (and some can simply be downloaded), and copy to the others ...
            True, they (the minoblast) will find new ways to racket ...
            1. +1
              1 September 2013 00: 03
              The sad thing is that even if you pour their new books into tablets, the program itself is fundamentally different from the Soviet one, where the student studied the mind, learned to think. ((
      2. +12
        30 August 2013 09: 52
        Did you work at the RAS ?, I worked. So the situation is as follows, in the cabinets are people of retirement and pre-retirement age. In the department of 5 people, a young employee works mainly, who drags work for everyone. The rest come to 10, leave at 15:00, between 10 and 15 hours go from office to office, drink tea, gossip. To sign the contract, you need to get around 11 people !!! If someone wrapped up, you start all over again. The head of the household unit is a normal man, complained, subordinate to 4 people, 3 of them are pensioners. Three people go to twist a light bulb. One twists the light bulb, 2 supports the 1st, 3 supports the stepladder and the 2nd. It would be better to leave 2 young people and double the salary.
        All departments are engaged in incomprehensibly what, the exhaust from their scientific activities is zero. State money goes nowhere. The Presidium of the RAS receives money for not doing anything. You ask with a million rubles, at least a thousand were beaten off ???
        1. +15
          30 August 2013 12: 52
          You worked in some strange RAS. In our RAS (a branch in my city) employees of various ages work. Yes, while the elderly are the majority, but young people are also slowly starting to come. Work is ongoing and older scientists, on the contrary, are the initiators and active performers of most of the work.
          And how is the personnel issue connected with where they are going to start this wretched reform? Or after the RAS is freed from "tasks unusual for it" (like, the fixed assets are sold), will the influx of young people be trampled? Oh well...
          1. -8
            30 August 2013 14: 32
            As I understand it, you are just that senior citizen with a light bulb.
            1. +9
              30 August 2013 15: 23
              No, to me until retirement, as to China - to cancer. Are you a fan of jokes about how the Chukchi screw a bulb? You really like that word.
              If your colleagues ask you to "drive for a bottle" or "screw in a light bulb", then this is not a consequence of the fact that there are only pensioners in the RAS, and in the other. The idea, I think, is clear.
              As for your complaints about the staff of the Russian Academy of Sciences - since you are so knowledgeable, please announce the numbers in which the salaries of employees are calculated, please.
              In order, my friend, to leave "two young" (one of them is you, of course?) Instead of "old", you need to first learn these young people (most do not need it and it is difficult), bring them (they do not want to drink beer more fun than working in a laboratory) and motivate to work. If interested, I can tell you about motivation separately.
              Such matters, dear reformer ...
              1. +4
                30 August 2013 20: 14
                Quote: Iraclius
                In order, my friend, to leave "two young" (one of them is you, of course?) Instead of "old", you need to first learn these young people (most do not need it and it is difficult), bring them (they do not want to drink beer more fun than working in a lab) and motivate to work.

                Everything in SORAN is normal with frames. at least outwardly - the ratio of young and old is not critical. But the problem is that today you pay in science yourself you seem to know how much, but the youth went with ambition, so many people leave to work in the same science over the hill, who is in the EU. some in the USA, some in Singapore.
                1. Yarosvet
                  +8
                  30 August 2013 20: 22
                  Quote: old man54
                  But the problem is that today they pay in science themselves you know how much
        2. +9
          30 August 2013 15: 35
          Quote: Alez
          You ask with a million rubles, at least a thousand were beaten off ???

          Chu. And you ask Chubais with state-of-the-art Rusnano, what did he capitalize 130 billion rubles on? And then the RAS had signed up for thieves. fool
          1. +13
            30 August 2013 15: 58
            Quote: Iraclius
            You ask Chubais with ultramodern Rusnano
            If he alone, how many of these thieves have bred ...
            sad comparisons are not in our favor:
      3. +16
        30 August 2013 10: 04
        Quote: elmi
        This one gets the impression that as if there is a deliberate destruction of our education and science
        laughing
        Well, they made fun ...
        What is this "impression"? This - FACT!!!
        The article is correct, but I do not agree with the author - no "uprisings of officials" no, it was not and never will be. These, a priori, cannot rise. "Merge", "dump" - yes, express your opinion - NEVER.

        Them, In general, by and large (and small), for all of us.
        Allowed, or rather - "not punishable"there is no responsibility NO(!!!) - to steal from the treasury, in various ways, he and drag laughing

        I don’t know whether it’s a "duck" or not ... They want to appoint Golikova as the head of the Accounts Chamber ... I will not be surprised. Not appointed - EXACTLY sure, will not live in poverty. And after six months or a year, she (it) is still somewhere, in the power structures, but "pops up". Putin’s Еit does not "sink", not the 37th year.
        And he has no time to engage in his (!) Ministers. The purpose of his trip to the flooded areas of the Amur? Did he want to drain everything himself? Or him VYAYA, without it does not work?

        And, being distracted, why would there be such a flood? This is not a flood - a flood. Everyone is happy with the version RAIN? It’s funny. Already funny. Initially, one could believe, now request
        Putin, of course (this is serious and without sarcasm) has nothing to do with it. But the fact that this is not "objectivity", force majeure and "weather anomalies" - for sure. The "humans" have done something. Maybe the Chinese. And maybe our bunglers without dumnye. But now you can't quarrel with China - Syria is at stake ... Maybe Putin flew there to somehow "grind" this issue with China ...
        But I was distracted.
        And according to the article -
        Quote: svp67
        This is not a "rebellion", this is greed and a "nose for loot ..."
      4. +6
        30 August 2013 11: 05
        I remember the film "Mikhailo Lomonosov". Only such people can save science and education. Although according to history, he also fought the bureaucracy with outright theft. In general, all those that as a weed thrives parasitizing in our country at all times.
      5. +7
        30 August 2013 11: 47
        Quote: elmi
        As you can see the followers of Chubais is still not enough.

        Yes, the Chubais affair is more alive than all living things. After all, Chubais destroyed socialism using a revolutionary formula - to take away and divide. All recent reforms suspiciously use the same principle.
        1. Reform of higher education. Federal universities have been "created" by combining existing universities. Some universities have been awarded the honorary title of "national research". Then a rating was carried out, in which those universities that did not enter the "federal" and "national" were on the obviously lower lines, were declared ineffective, and the increase in efficiency was supposed to be carried out by selling the property.
        2. Reform of the army. There is no need to tell much. Reduction, and reduction of everything and everything, the transfer of academies from the capital to the darkness and the sale of property.
        3. Reform of the RAS. Association of academies, reduction of their functions to advisory, transfer of property management to a special agency in order to increase the efficiency of its use. Read - the sale of property.
        If the ultimate goal of the reform is the sale of property, then this is not a rebellion of officials. This is a raider seizure.
        And only the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs did without raiding, just by changing the sign. That is, the Ministry of Internal Affairs as a whole understands the essence of what is happening and ensures its legitimacy.
        By the way, the Strategic Rocket Forces and the Airborne Forces were least affected by the army reform. Because the Strategic Missile Forces ensure the legitimacy of our main raider at the international level, and the Airborne Forces understand everything perfectly and have enough strength to stop raider operations if they touch them.
        And they say the 90s are over ...
      6. +2
        30 August 2013 20: 06
        Quote: elmi
        It seems that there is a deliberate destruction of our education and science

        Excuse me, but what, only now has this impression begun to take shape? fellow
    2. Dimon simfer
      +3
      30 August 2013 10: 02
      Decimate in their ranks. The rest may change their minds and take the right path. am
      Ukrainian officials and politicians belong to the same "initiative group".
      1. +1
        30 August 2013 19: 35
        Quote: Dimon Simfer
        Carry out decimation in their ranks. The rest may come to their senses and take the right path. Ukrainian officials and politicians belong to the same "initiative group".


        That's what I like - because just a little something, you have to "jail, kill, divide, etc." (Underline whatever applicable). But, apparently, the events of 1917-1922 and the 30s of the twentieth century did not teach anything - all these "actions" always lead to a negative result. And for something to change, it is necessary that both the manager and the layman realize that it is time to end up living in a mess and work honestly.
    3. +4
      30 August 2013 10: 06
      Still, it’s interesting that our life is arranged. Everyone is unhappy, everyone criticizes, and as it comes to the elections, the majority votes for the same ones. But if you choose the same ones that were before, you will get the same as before.
      1. 0
        30 August 2013 16: 20
        But others will not be allowed into power, except for their own or with compromising evidence. Choice without a choice.
      2. +1
        30 August 2013 23: 44
        Ha ha! No matter how they vote, it’s important how they think! Do you really think that at least in some country that can at least give something, there are fair and noble elections? Do you seriously think that there is even justice somewhere? That's right, no .. The present life alas dictates .. the robbery will rob another otherwise .. and no matter how disgusting it was, otherwise alas request
    4. +2
      30 August 2013 10: 25
      It should be added that: "The authorship of the bill is attributed to Mikhail Kovalchuk, the brother of the very same Yuri Kovalchuk from the Ozero cooperative. Most observers are sure that the same Mikhail Kovalchuk will eventually lead the said" specially authorized federal authority. " (Navalny's blog)
    5. +2
      30 August 2013 17: 10
      All Tolerast officials came in the 90s. All this illiterate lads broke firewood. Especially their dominance in the middle link. In cities and regions such revolutions. Change them soon, these leeches.
    6. +2
      30 August 2013 20: 03
      Quote: a52333
      This "initiative group" must be cleared out of the government. Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, military, USE. Take your liberal little hands away from us.

      Is it really not clear that the government of the Russian Federation today is entirely composed of such "liberal reformers"? Those. not "from the government" it is necessary to clean out, but to cleanse everything, the government, and to replace it with a new one, and it is desirable, very desirable that none of this law be in it, but there are people who want to create, not steal !
    7. +1
      1 September 2013 05: 40
      and if he supports the president - take and ask a direct question - who or he just took and supports
  2. +4
    30 August 2013 08: 57
    The official is a thief!
    Is it not so, what is it that they are so eager for at low salaries?
    They will be happy to sell not only education, the country, but also their mother, and, with a good pay, also in parts
    Maybe enough pseudo-reform? We destroyed education as much as we could. We ruined vocational education, introduced EG ...
    It's time for education to be addressed to those who understand it, and not ... with $$ instead of eyes
    1. +1
      30 August 2013 19: 50
      Quote: Denis
      The official is a thief! Isn’t it so, what are they trying to do with small salaries? They will gladly sell not only education, the country, but also their mother, but if the pay is good, they can also be piecemeal. Maybe there’s enough pseudo-reform? We destroyed education as much as we could. We ruined vocational education, introduced EG ... It's time to take up education for those who understand it, and not ... with $$ instead of eyes


      Oh how! So simple - everyone is bad, and one good and on a white horse.
      Let's start in order:
      1. The current monthly salary of a state civil servant on average in the country rarely exceeds the regional salary average by more than 20%. Moreover, the volume of work is far from small, and the demand is higher than that of a citizen.
      2. All these efforts in management - the result of the leadership - do not rake all in a row under one comb - performers and managers.
      3. The fact that the media constantly speaks of large bribes and other incomes of officials significantly influences. It got to the point where, when questioning applicants at a Moscow university, they asked the question - why did you choose this particular profession? The main answer is big bribes.
      4. Another problem is the fight against corruption. For some reason, it is conducted one-sidedly and is aimed primarily at the junior and middle managers who do not make key decisions.
      1. Mature naturalist
        +2
        30 August 2013 23: 30
        Quote: Blackgrifon
        3. The fact that the media constantly speaks of large bribes and other incomes of officials significantly influences. It got to the point where, when questioning applicants at a Moscow university, they asked the question - why did you choose this particular profession? The main answer is big bribes.

        Yes. And there is.
        From what I saw with my own eyes: we are discussing promising projects in the administration of one of the regional cities of the Moscow Region. The deputy comes. Chapters years 35-37 and defiantly lays on the table Vertu. (Hope it was a Chinese copy).
        By the way, I wrote this now and realized that almost all the Vertu that I came across were in the hands of officials and the Duma deputies.
  3. +2
    30 August 2013 08: 57
    We are dealing with a rebellion of officials
    This is not a "rebellion", this is greed and a "nose for loot ..."
  4. 0
    30 August 2013 08: 58
    Suppress the rebellion, drown in blood. Although, unfortunately, they will most likely be drowned in money (or better in kakarma)
  5. Oskar
    +7
    30 August 2013 09: 14
    Science is omitted according to a previously tested scheme (quite successfully). First, the "mad printer" adopts legislation that is unpopular and destructive for the entire industry. An "effective manager" will sit at the head. Then everything is rapidly renamed, shaken up, reduced, liquidated. The industry is being freed from “burdensome” assets and “inconvenient” staff. Like clockwork ... Then, under the pressure of a sane public, the authorities allegedly have an epiphany. The head of the department receives the status of a witness, small fry, which took advantage of the trust of the all-powerful and "effective" Head - the bunk. It seems that they are trying to roll back the situation, but where is it ... Too late ... And the "savior" appointed instead of the "effective" head, in general, continues the general line. The Internet is boiling: who is to blame? what to do? stole! "effective" manager - for a count! long live the "savior"! (he’s so, yes! this one can!) And the industry, as it never happened ...
  6. +5
    30 August 2013 09: 17
    There you have the power vertical ...
    The son asks his father:
    -Dad, what is the power vertical?
    Father answers:
    “You see, son, power is a clenched fist.”
    - Well, and the vertical?
    - And the vertical is the middle finger of this fist raised up!
  7. Valery Neonov
    +4
    30 August 2013 09: 19
    The meaning of reform is blind copying of overseas experience- so why is it good for officials - and you don't need to think about how to do it better, and it seems like people "work", "try"; but for the good of the country, people, state, this is no longer for them ... will be introduced PERSONAL LIABILITY-UP TO CRIMINAL WITH CONFISCATION! for the quality of the reforms, everything will remain so ... How long can the same thing be repeated ...


    A man stands at the bookmaker’s window at the hippodrome and thinks which horse to put on. Then an old mare comes up to him and says: “Put on me, man. Although I’m old, I used to be a champion, and today I’m in great shape! No one is betting on me anymore, I’ll win the race - you’ll hit a big jackpot! ” The man thought, thought, and put all the money on the mare. The race begins, the mare jerks from a place, takes several steps, falls to the ground and no longer rises. A man approaches her after the race with a menacing look. The mare looks at him guiltily and lisps: “Well, I couldn’t, I couldn’t”.-and so it is with us, but I don’t want to laugh. hi
    1. +5
      30 August 2013 09: 39
      Valery Neonov SU Today, 09:19 AM New

      The meaning of the reform is blind copying of the overseas experience, so after all, what is good for officials - and there is no need to think about how to do better, and it seems like people "work", "try"; but for the good of the country, people, state, this is no longer to them ... Until PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY-UP TO CRIMINAL WITH CONFISCATION is introduced! for the quality of the reforms, everything will remain so ... How long can the same thing be repeated ...
      This is the ONLY way out.In our country, no one is responsible for their actions,complete irresponsibility.D.A. Medvedev: "We need to raise the degree of responsibility to at least 40 degrees." We must assume that this very "degree at zero." Plus, the complete non-professionalism of the MOST of the Government headed by the Prime Minister.
      1. +7
        30 August 2013 10: 11
        Quote: ksan
        Dmitry Medvedev: "We need to raise the degree of responsibility at least up to 40 degrees"
        laughing
        What are these - 40 degrees? What is vodka? laughing
        So he without her not adequate...
      2. Yarosvet
        +2
        30 August 2013 18: 01
        Quote: ksan
        Plus the complete non-professionalism of MOST Government, led by the Prime Minister.
  8. +7
    30 August 2013 09: 20
    We need a rotation of officials.
    I served in a chair for three years, complete confiscation of property.
    Five years of confiscation and five years in prison.
    Ten years, confiscation, ten years and a ban on official service until the end of life.
    1. SCHUZMAN
      +3
      30 August 2013 09: 38
      Confiscation is needed as such in principle. Now steal as much as you want, all alone one your loot will not take away.
    2. wax
      +4
      30 August 2013 10: 56
      Stalin-style. To drive every two years across the country without faithful companions, so that they do not have time to acquire their "teams".
  9. +7
    30 August 2013 09: 42
    what happens to people when they come to power? or pathological thieves, boors, snatchers and ... and the list goes on and on. Metamorphoses are inexplicable. It seems that a person goes "to the top", baloters somewhere, says the right words, flesh of the flesh of the people. But as soon as I felt the power ... I do not understand. Or the places where the government, the State Duma, the damned ministries sit? How is the Avtovaz site?
    1. +1
      30 August 2013 16: 34
      The system, the system must be changed. At least someone to plant for "Moskvich" it will not become more economical and faster.
      The current political and financial system was built when and by whom? and for what money?
      Well, the next step is the change of elite. That's what M.L. Khazin on this occasion says http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27436/
  10. +4
    30 August 2013 10: 12
    Quote: Alez

    Alez


    Today, 09: 52

    ↑ ↓


    Did you work at the RAS ?, I worked. So the situation is as follows, in the cabinets are people of retirement and pre-retirement age. In the department of 5 people, mainly a young employee works, who drags work for everyone. The rest come to 10, go to 15: 00, go from cabinet to cabinet between 10 and 15 for hours, drink tea, gossip. To sign an agreement, you need to get around 11 people !!!

    -Yes, it is very possible that the RAS is working ineffectively and it may need to be reformed. But, as I understand it, the main essence of the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences comes down to taking and "sawing" its property. So what? Will it work better after that?
  11. Rif
    +2
    30 August 2013 10: 14
    Russia has been a colony of the United States since 1991. Russia lost sovereignty as a result of defeat in a forty-year war with the United States of America. This is the most important secret in Russia, closed by censorship and media propaganda.
    The Russian Academy of Sciences is an element of the sovereignty of the Russian Federation. We will call everything by their proper names:
    1. Colonies are forbidden to have basic science.
    2. The United States is stepping up the export of our scientists.
    The Constitution of the Russian Federation was written by the Americans. The US State Department officially recognized that in 1993 the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as a number of key laws of our country, were written by American advisers.
    http://www.efedorov.ru/#
    1. 0
      30 August 2013 12: 29
      would you go from here with your Fedorov ...
      ride the only tank in lithuania)))
      1. -1
        30 August 2013 16: 38
        Don't be rude! If you do not know what one of the leading politicians and founders of United Russia says about this, then what kind of citizen of the Russian Federation are you, you only dishonor the coat of arms, although judging by the flag ...
        1. 0
          30 August 2013 17: 46
          I just heard plenty of that nonsense that Mr. Fedorov carries, so you yourself need to learn to distinguish grains from chaff
          1. 0
            30 August 2013 18: 09
            Nonsense???
            Quote Rif
            Russia has been a colony of the United States since 1991. Russia lost sovereignty as a result of defeat in the forty-year war with the United States of America.
            1. Colonies are forbidden to have basic science.
            2. The United States is stepping up the export of our scientists.
            The Constitution of the Russian Federation was written by the Americans. The US State Department officially recognized that in 1993 the Constitution of the Russian Federation, as well as a number of key laws of our country, were written by American advisers.

            And where do you think the chuck is?
            But have you sent a Cossack? And how old are you that you don't remember an elementary story? Quickly, you forgot what happened in the 90s.
        2. Yarosvet
          +2
          30 August 2013 18: 09
          Quote: Lomikus
          one of the leading politicians and founders of United Russia

          Listen and double-check everything said.

          1. -2
            30 August 2013 18: 28
            And why are you breeding custom-made chernukha. For anyone, you hear for any politician you can dig up so much and bring to death they will not be washed off, otherwise they will not be allowed into power, the system! One bulk white and fluffy. Take Putin, for example, where he came from and who brought him.
            It is clear what E. Fedorov says for those who are "out of politics" there is a break in the template, these things are not included in the circle of the average person.
            It's easier to call everything nonsense and then look at the box, sip a beer and scold Putin: How bad it is to live!
            1. Yarosvet
              +2
              30 August 2013 19: 21
              You at work i watch laughing
              Can you refute what was said? Can not. And if you can’t, then you shouldn’t try to move to the bazaar, calling the facts chernukha.

              Quote: Lomikus
              One bulk white and fluffy.
              How do you know? Do you communicate often?

              Take Putin, for example, where he came from and who brought him.
              Neoliberal Putin is a former employee of the structure that played a key role in the collapse of the USSR. He worked with the neoliberals Sobchak and Chubais; he was dragged to Moscow by Chubais. He is a protege of EBNya and continues the policy of the latter.

              Now about nonsense:
              Russia has been a colony of the United States since 1991 - why not from the 70th?
              What, the Russian Federation does not pursue its policy? Isn't it like you singing praises of Vova’s victories in the foreign arena? What kind of colony is this - with nuclear weapons?
              But for a second, let’s say that the Russian Federation is a colony, that nuclear weapons are no longer there, that everything Fedorov said is true: this automatically means that Vova is an appointed gauleiter, that the environment (including Chubais’s pimple Zhenya) is an appointed colonial administration, and you shout out to them cheers - who are you after that

              Russia lost sovereignty as a result of defeat in the forty-year war with the United States of America - act of surrender to the studio.

              Colonies forbidden to have basic science - by whom, when, in which document is this indicated?

              The United States intensifies the export of our scientists - Compare income and opportunities here and here and do not carry the blizzard.

              The Constitution of the Russian Federation was written by Americans - first source?
              Second, why did these "Americans" write that the Russian Federation is a social democratic sovereign state, in which the rights of every person are the highest value?
              Thirdly, the Constitution was adopted popularly, but is still not respected either by the Government in general or by the guarantor in particular - are the mattresses to blame?
              1. +3
                30 August 2013 20: 47
                they wrote very sensibly, well done! good You "+"
                especially this one!
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Neoliberal Putin is a former employee of the structure that played a key role in the collapse of the USSR. He worked with the neoliberals Sobchak and Chubais; he was dragged to Moscow by Chubais. He is a protege of EBNya and continues the policy of the latter.

                But unfortunately, a lot of what this Fedorov says (who really worked a lot in the immediate environment of Chubais, which means that he is his man) there is truth. But ...
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Russia has been a colony of the United States since 1991 - and why not since the 70th? What, the Russian Federation does not pursue its policy?

                Even during the dominance of the arrogant Saxons in India, their Indian king, raja and all sorts of other people continued to be there, they were allowed some powers in politics (internal), but insignificant (which does not resemble anything).
                Quote: Yarosvet
                But for a second, let’s say that the Russian Federation is a colony, that nuclear weapons are no longer there, that everything Fedorov said is true: this automatically means that Vova is a designated gauleiter, that the environment (including Chubais’s pimple Zhenya) is a designated colonial administration

                Here it is the essence of the grain of lies Fedorov and his masters, who put this lie into his mouth (he himself is dull for this). The USSR did not lose in 91, but was sold by its own party "elite"!
                What did they buy? The ability to rob a country with impunity, violating all international laws and moral rules; at the same time, have all-round support for their actions in the west; take out the loot over the hill; buy real estate there; so that the Western elites recognize it all and do not shout that they are communists and thieves. They also really wanted to enter the circle of the elites of the West, to be "handshake" there, to hang out with them beautifully!
                Price for all this? Surrender of the country to the enemy; destruction of the USSR; political control of the Russian Federation from the west; writing laws, including the Constitution, under their control and direction; media control by the west; collapse of the military-industrial complex; destruction and total reduction of the army and navy; admission of western emisars to our economic market and much more. In short, they surrendered the country for their personal benefits (a jar of jam and a box of cookies), in the hope that when everything finally goes to ashes, they will run away to the west where they have families and children and pitchforks and locks and bills in bvnoks. But ... the last few years it has become clear that most likely this shoblu of our liberals will be deceived! That is why all the latest fuss about the military-industrial complex, army and navy!
                1. Yarosvet
                  +2
                  30 August 2013 21: 26
                  Quote: old man54
                  But unfortunately, a lot of what this Fedorov says (who really worked a lot in the immediate environment of Chubais, which means that he is his man) there is truth.
                  I cannot agree: Zhenya, when asked about working with Chubais, claimed that he was kicked out very quickly because of his disagreement "with the party's policy," but this is not confirmed. On the contrary - where the redhead was going, Fedorov also went there - that is, Zhenya is lying in this case (see the video above).

                  Even during the dominance of the arrogant Saxons in India, their Indian king, raja and all sorts of other people continued to be there, they were allowed some powers in politics (internal), but insignificant (which does not resemble anything).
                  But in our case, "liberties" occur precisely in foreign policy.
                  Then - if the Raja bucked, then the British troops came and the Raja ceased to exist. In the Russian Federation, anyone's troops can come only if the society is told about the presence of nuclear weapons.

                  The USSR did not lose in the 91st, but was sold
                  In my opinion, the nomenclature has usurped power and public property, and to achieve this, it was necessary to destroy the union of states.
                  Mattress makers in this case acted only as consultants and had their own "percentage", but no more.

                  What did they buy? The ability to rob a country with impunity, violating all international laws and moral rules; at the same time, have all-round support for their actions in the west; take out the loot over the hill; buy real estate there; so that the Western elites recognize it all and do not shout that they are communists and thieves. They also really wanted to enter the circle of the elites of the West, to be "handshake" there, to hang out with them beautifully!
                  Yes - and what happened before was the case of the feudal lords and the mafia, but on a different level: before they were reconciled through marriage, now they were reconciled through a mixture of capitals.

                  Price for all this? Surrender of the country to the enemy; destruction of the USSR; political control of the Russian Federation from the west
                  There was no surrender and control - there was a smearing of the West. These relationships are very similar to those between organized crime groups.

                  writing laws, including the Constitution under their control and direction
                  The constitution is stripped from the fundamental laws of the United States and France - it is confused, but not bad. There is no documentary evidence that it was imposed by the amers, but consultations on their part most likely took place.

                  media control by the west
                  Not all media belong to the West.

                  In short, they surrendered the country for their personal benefits (a jar of jam and a box of cookies), in the hope that when everything finally goes to ashes, they will run away to the west where they have families and children and pitchforks and locks and bills in bvnoks.
                  In fact, exactly so.


                  But ... the last few years it has become clear that most likely this shoblu of our liberals will be deceived! That is why all the latest fuss about the military-industrial complex, army and navy!
                  Namely, it’s a common fund, but the interests of one’s own organized crime group are more important.
                2. 0
                  30 August 2013 23: 28
                  Look bad. He openly says that Gorbachev surrendered, betrayed the USSR:
                  GKChP performance - http://poznavatelnoe.tv/fedorov_spektakl_gkchp
                  1. Yarosvet
                    +1
                    30 August 2013 23: 38
                    Quote: Lomikus
                    Look bad. He openly says that Gorbachev surrendered, betrayed the USSR

                    He says - what's next? From the fact that he said the obvious thing, but half the truth, has something changed? Maybe he became crystal clear after that?
                    1. -3
                      31 August 2013 12: 06
                      You, I see, a plug in every hole!
                      It is your right to believe it or not, but to slander, slander, and hang up labels are your methods.
                      The fact that he is a faithful mongrel of redhead is probably a plus for you

                      You apparently cannot distinguish black from white. What does Chubais do and say, and what is E. Fedorov? You work there in the personnel department to know who works for whom?
                      I consider further discussion non-constructive, slipping into speculation and assumptions and incorrect conclusions.
                      PS: Read it yourself! Who does the Central Bank obey? - since you are so attentive and honest, explain it to not attentive and not honest.
                3. 0
                  1 September 2013 22: 17
                  old man54 (2) RU August 30, 2013 20:47

                  Good evening, dear Andrey!

                  I completely agree with you, you didn’t get an eyebrow but in the eye!
                  good
              2. +4
                30 August 2013 20: 54
                Quote: Yarosvet
                Thirdly, the Constitution was adopted popularly, but is still not respected either by the Government in general or by the guarantor in particular - are the mattresses to blame?

                here's the topic! good
                1. Yarosvet
                  +1
                  30 August 2013 21: 33
                  Quote: old man54
                  here's the topic!
                  laughing
              3. -3
                30 August 2013 21: 41
                And you, I look from vacation came back, where did you rest? Not in the states by accident?
                Can you refute what was said?

                What to refute? Where are there specific facts about what they did wrong? If you work in the same brigade with a former prisoner, it turns out, according to your logic, that you are also a prisoner? Not ours, not ours, although how he was disguised, but we figured it out, he said in a dream: "I serve the Soviet Union!"
                How do you know? Do you communicate often?

                I watch you know him better! You will get acquainted somehow, otherwise he became so arrogant.
                Neoliberal Putin is a former employee of the structure that played a key role in the collapse of the USSR. He worked with the neoliberals Sobchak and Chubais; he was dragged to Moscow by Chubais.

                Yes, you sho! Thanks, but I didn’t know. And why did the former get fired or something, and where is the document that was fired? But it turns out that Gorbi and Yeltsin complied with his instructions, but it was necessary that he didn’t light up anywhere, and then a new and clean one jumped out (in 1999). Cool.
                He is a protege of EBNya and continues the policy of the latter.

                And here you are not logical! Since he collapsed the USSR, he continues his policy, not Yeltsin, but his own, according to the further collapse of the Russian Federation! You have to be more attentive, more attentive. These words are not scattered.
                Russia has been a colony of the United States since 1991 - and why not since the 70th?
                What, the Russian Federation does not pursue its policy? Isn't it like you singing praises of Vova’s victories in the foreign arena? What kind of colony is this - with nuclear weapons?

                Where did you fall from? Not in the know that before the 91st "scoop" was, what kind of politics? Dictate and totalitarianism is continuous! Nope, right now, the Russian Federation is pursuing its correct policy, as, for example, it kept silent with Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, but with Syria it messed up, you know. You know, Putin's conscience has awakened, he cannot break contracts. And that England has nuclear weapons, France has, Israel has, but this does not prevent them from carrying out our orders! How can you not see this mani, mani. Aren't you for mani? Ideological? I respect them.
                and you shout their cheers - who are you after that?

                Shaw, yes, I’m the same as you, didn’t you really see me how I shouted cheers ?! belay
                So this is me for the crowd, that would not stand out much.
                Russia lost sovereignty as a result of defeat in the forty-year war with the United States of America - an act of surrender to the studio.

                Well, you are as simple as two fingers on a table, such things are kept secret! Do not know what! Have you ever read the constitution of the Russian Federation? It is written in black and white,
                No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
                Without a state ideology, this is not a state, it is ideological power. Well, like in the USSR - communism, we have democracy, France and England - European values, and the Russian Federation - a market economy, haha. And do not forget all the finances of the Russian Federation, we have the Central Bank, offshore, gold and foreign exchange reserves. As Meir Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the legendary dynasty of bankers, said, “Let me manage the country's money, and I don’t care who sets the laws there.”
                their (Russian) printing press (Central Bank) is INDEPENDENT from the government (according to the charter of the Central Bank), you cut it, then it is ours.
              4. -1
                30 August 2013 21: 42
                Colonies are forbidden to have fundamental science - by whom, when, in what document is this indicated?

                What is the science of all normal scientists we bought. Well, we’ll soon disperse the abnormal without any documents (don’t forget you’re not already in the USSR!) There, buy and sell the market, for the green ones we will make our scientists and innovative cents, for example, Skolkovo, RIGHT and very creative scientists will work there.
                The United States is increasing the export of our scientists - compare income and opportunities here and there and do not carry the blizzard

                I just explained everything, I won’t repeat it.
                The Americans wrote the Constitution of the Russian Federation - first of all, the source?

                Ha, shaw, I forgot who is in charge and where. Nobody will tell you passwords, turnout, unless Snowden whispers in his ear, he has nothing to lose, and so he lost everything when he came here! Haha . It’s even better on bunks there than here.
                Second, why did these "Americans" write that the Russian Federation is a social democratic sovereign state, in which the rights of every person are the highest value?

                Well damn it, you really believe that we are bringing democracy, and we will only bomb democratic people with democratic bombs, for example, in Libya. Resources, resources we need oil, gas, turn on the brain. We won’t shout, give us oil! We just have a dictatorship, don’t respect human rights, infringe on freedom and democratic bombs went all the way, and the world community is for us. Here the same thing doesn’t matter what is written on a piece of paper, the main thing is our interests!
                Thirdly, the Constitution was adopted popularly, but is still not respected either by the Government in general or by the guarantor in particular - are the mattresses to blame?

                Accepted, accepted, but we wrote it for ourselves, do not forget.
                So that in the future it is better to be ciphered, painfully you clumsy work.
                And here is how they work at home. Read, feast for the eyes: This is not a totalitarian "scoop" for you, this is the United States - you will not move here! - http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/188265-eto-tebe-ne-totalitarnyy-sovok-eto-
                ssha-tut-ne-derneshsya.html
                1. Yarosvet
                  +1
                  31 August 2013 00: 49
                  Quote: Lomikus
                  Where are the specific facts of what he did wrong?
                  The fact that he is a faithful mongrel of a redhead is probably a plus for you.

                  If you work in the same brigade with a former prisoner, it turns out, by your logic, that you are also a prisoner?
                  If a prisoner continues to "earn" the same for which he sat down and at the same time arranges for me to work, then I am no different from him.

                  But it turns out that Gorbi and Yeltsin complied with his instructions, but it was necessary that he didn’t light up anywhere, and then a new and clean one jumped out (in 1999).
                  For starters, stop calling Western-tagged - disgusting.
                  Next - are you friends with your head? And he, and EBN, and labeled (Andropov’s protege) are representatives of a group of people from the Soviet nomenclature, he jumped in the 96th and lit up on the St. Petersburg cut.
                  And most importantly, his friends are all geniuses of entrepreneurship.

                  And here you are not logical! Since he collapsed the USSR, he continues the policy not of Yeltsin but his own, according to the further collapse of the Russian Federation!
                  It is logical: in the first place, the collapse of the Union was not a goal, but a means - the goal was to change the socio-political system. Secondly - Vova continues the policy of EBNya, EBN continued the policy of labeled, labeled the politics of Andropov - where I can’t say the beginning of the chain at the moment.

                  The dictatorship and totalitarianism are continuous!
                  Questions to EBNu with Vova, and not to mattresses.

                  Well, you are as simple as two fingers on a table, such things are kept secret!
                  Come on? Who to hold on to - Vova? And why? laughing

                  Do not know what! Have you ever read the constitution of the Russian Federation? It is written in black and white
                  You do not stop there - read it all, and not only articles 13, 15 and 75 - maybe then you will find out that "The sovereignty of the Russian Federation extends to its entire territory", and at the same time you will find the state ideology spelled out in the body of the Constitution and having the status of the Basic Law ...

                  As Meir Rothschild said
                  If you weren’t stupidly repeating various nonsense for someone, but checking information, you would know that Rothschild never said anything like that.

                  INDEPENDENT from the government (according to the charter of the Central Bank)
                  You, to be independent of hamadril, you must be a hamadril yourself - read carefully:
      2. +2
        30 August 2013 20: 24
        Quote: afire
        would you go from here with your Fedorov ...

        why are you not him so, eh ?? The man is essentially speaking. This Fyodorov is also unsympathetic to me, because he misinterprets a lot about the essence, not to mention the true reason for this "defeat" in 91, and his party EP, that he is already a black mark!
  12. +11
    30 August 2013 10: 15
    Good day.
    Friends, I always wanted to ask, what changed when in the Russian Federation the police were renamed to the police? And what is the sacred meaning of this renaming?

    Ps
    I’ll tell a story about the Belarusian police.
    In May of last year, my godfather went to note something, got a good kick and fell asleep on the street.
    At 2 nights, his wife is called from his phone, introduced by the police and asked for the address.
    After half an hour, two policemen put a drunken body in his boobs at his home.
    It turned out that the patrol came across a godfather, tried to wake up, but it did not work))).
    Then they took his phone and rang the last numbers, found out what his wife’s number was, contacted her and brought the wanderer home.
    To the wife's question, "why did you need this?", The patrolmen replied, "it's getting colder, your iris will be bent on the street." My wife gave them money, they didn't take it.
    To be honest, I myself did not go awry from this story. If strangers had told me this, I would not have believed it.
    1. +3
      30 August 2013 10: 41
      yes, survived !! We are surprised at the normal act of the police.
      1. +5
        30 August 2013 11: 31
        Quote: lonely
        yes, survived !! We are surprised at the normal act of the police.

        Not the police, dear, but the police. The militia is the "people's militia", the police are the body protecting the state from its own citizens. This is the essence of renaming.
    2. wax
      +1
      30 August 2013 11: 02
      The renaming has to do only with the distance from the "hated totalitarian" past. But moving away from one bank - the socialist, naturally approached the other bank, which in the popular mind is still associated with the policemen of not so distant times. YES. really wants to keep up with the "civilized" community.
      1. +1
        30 August 2013 12: 32
        Yes. they accuse them of all serious things and rightly, they will play out with their opposition, will remember for a long time with their twitching little head of their deeds, this gamer has already gotten to scoff at people for the sake of profit
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  14. wax
    +1
    30 August 2013 11: 04
    Hands off the RAS! Volodin Alexei - the pros!
    1. +1
      30 August 2013 12: 57
      Could it be that Volodin Alexei just recently published an article that everything is fine in Russia and that all the chernukha that pours from the screens has nothing to do with reality. And here is the insurrection of officials on you! Strange inconsistency in the expression of position! request
      1. +2
        30 August 2013 15: 23
        Andrei, quote from the article where it is written
        everything is fine in Russia
        . There was an article about what, besides, as you put it, the dill, there is a lot of positive, and this positive is not always covered by the major media. As you, I think, understand, the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences designated by the government hardly concerns such positive. So please do not exaggerate.
        1. +1
          30 August 2013 15: 31
          Quote: Volodin
          Andrei, quote from the article where it is written
          everything is fine in Russia


          When reading the article, I got just that impression. That the author does not agree with how events in the country are covered. What really is a change for the better. I shared my impression and did not think to exaggerate or distort.
          The bureaucracy in the new Russia grew stronger after the collapse of the USSR. It has grown even more under the late Putin - this is a fact. And I think that no one should chew that the effectiveness of the work of officials is the criterion by which one can safely draw a conclusion about the quality of the country's social sphere. You have given illustrative examples of this "efficiency" in your work. Therefore, I correlated two articles and two positions of the same author. A question arose and I voiced it.
          1. +2
            30 August 2013 16: 05
            And it is your right.
            In general, our dialogue is similar to the dialogue on the question: "Is the glass half full or half empty?"
            1. +1
              30 August 2013 16: 41
              Yes, normal article.
              And in general, I rarely disagree with you.
              It is not enough to specify the main official - DUM. But, apparently, the articles do not allow criticism of officials of the highest group.
  15. 0
    30 August 2013 11: 05
    "The reform is constantly commented on, it is praised by Olga Golodets, Dmitry Livanov, or representatives of the parliamentary majority, but no one (again, no one!) Recognizes the authorship."
    Well, what can we expect from our officials, acknowledge authorship and take responsibility, never, our whole misfortune is that there are no people who are not responsible HEAD, for the task entrusted, and since there is no responsibility, then things are not done.
    A starving person, who just wasn’t, but at least one thing brought her to a high level? So what is her new position, why should she be the head of the Accounts Chamber? Squander someone, saying that he / she did not cause any damage to the state.
  16. wax
    +1
    30 August 2013 11: 10
    Alex66. Do not confuse Golikova and Golodets.
  17. +4
    30 August 2013 11: 10
    +1 Lonely! This is, firstly, the normal act of a policeman, and, secondly, the act of a person endowed with various feelings. We are people, not animals! And the cops are the people among us when they take off their uniforms.
    Quote: Petergut
    Good day.
    Friends, I always wanted to ask, what changed when in the Russian Federation the police were renamed to the police? And what is the sacred meaning of this renaming?

    Ps
    I’ll tell a story about the Belarusian police.
    In May of last year, my godfather went to note something, got a good kick and fell asleep on the street.
    At 2 nights, his wife is called from his phone, introduced by the police and asked for the address.
    After half an hour, two policemen put a drunken body in his boobs at his home.
    It turned out that the patrol came across a godfather, tried to wake up, but it did not work))).
    Then they took his phone and rang the last numbers, found out what his wife’s number was, contacted her and brought the wanderer home.
    To the wife's question, "why did you need this?", The patrolmen replied, "it's getting colder, your iris will be bent on the street." My wife gave them money, they didn't take it.
    To be honest, I myself did not go awry from this story. If strangers had told me this, I would not have believed it.

    Friends, remember the words: Homeland begins with a family. Military, police, doctors, teachers - this is not someone "they are from Mars" - this is you and me!
    1. +3
      30 August 2013 11: 25
      Expert: Tomorrow Onishchenko will not like the quality of the wind from the Belarusian side laughing
      http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/08/30/1170091.html

      and at this time

      In Vladivostok, grass is being pinned to Putin’s arrival
      More:

      http://www.rosbalt.ru/federal/2013/08/30/1170065.html

      Alexander Romanov. Can you refute or confirm the Old ?! winked

      Mayor of Vladivostok "appropriated" Shoigu's idea of ​​moving the capital in order to attract attention: political scientist
      http://www.regnum.ru/news/1700306.html
      it's all from the filing of our Romanov. wassat
      1. +2
        30 August 2013 11: 34
        Quote: Apollon
        Alexander Romanov. Can you refute or confirm the Old ?!

        No, I can’t about the grass, but they lick it, as in the USSR, when the general secretaries arrived laughing Although it’s not a fact that he will come at all. He should, but he is not obliged. May throw officials winked
        Quote: Apollon
        it's all from the filing of our Romanov

        Not Apollo, I'm not the mayor of the city (unfortunately crying ) Damn, it will turn from a provincial into a resident of the capital, this is normal so laughing But there is one minus, now Tajiks to earn money in Moscow are tearing their claws, and now they will come to us .... belay Eeee, Vladivostok is not rubber yes angry
        1. fartfraer
          +2
          31 August 2013 12: 31
          the question is not the topic, but it’s not in Vladivostok they brought riot police from the Moscow region local refused to disperse the crowd? It was not this year, I specify))
  18. +3
    30 August 2013 12: 04
    How long will these half-witches interfere with their stupid ideas about reforming everything and everyone? Dear Guarantor of the Constitution, curb the appetites of presumptuous bureaucrats, it's time to give them quilted jackets and saws friendship -2 (with a manual drive), that's where they reform the number of bark beetles in the cutting areas.
  19. ded10041948
    +2
    30 August 2013 12: 06
    What "officials' uprising"? An uprising implies action, and our officials are too lazy to take their ass out of the chair!
  20. picnic
    -3
    30 August 2013 12: 12
    "It seems like there is a deliberate destruction of our education and science."

    But why the hell is this academy needed? Is there any sense from her? Something I have not heard over the past twenty years about any outstanding achievements or discoveries of our scientists. It would not be better to disband this structure altogether. Let universities and institutes do science. They are more beneficial for the state. And to feed a bunch of loafers and parasites (and also retirees who have long developed their potential) and waste the big money on them with huge state money, this is at least wasteful.
    1. ded10041948
      +1
      31 August 2013 09: 57
      These "idlers and parasites" create a fundamental science that does not allow us to slide down to the level of Vovochka the repeater!
  21. +2
    30 August 2013 12: 23
    Quote: Denis
    The official is a thief! Isn’t it so, what is it that they are so eager for with low salaries? They will gladly sell not only education, the country but also their mother, and with a good salary, they will also be paid in parts Maybe enough pseudo-reform? ...
    Stop the pseudo-reform can only the immediate resignation of the government! There is simply no other way ...
    The Investigative Committee must deal with what these "professional liberals" have done in recent years!
    With all that it implies.
    For the enormous damage that has been done to our country in various fields is too great ...
    1. Yarosvet
      +1
      30 August 2013 18: 21
      Quote: Colonelic
      Stop the pseudo-reform can only the immediate resignation of the government!

      Do not remind - in what way the government is formed?
  22. +1
    30 August 2013 12: 28
    This reform in a simple way says that science will receive money for the inventions of forest specialists, sneakers, armored troopers, and we will divide the rest and buy it abroad. The picture from the RAS is called "Chubais Attacks", which is bad.
  23. +3
    30 August 2013 13: 06
    Two questions haunt me:
    1. Who pays salaries to our government?
    2. Why is a "big" official unsinkable?

    The question of wages has arisen because actual results, rather than stated intentions, weaken the state and create conditions for "shocks" at the government level. Isn't it time on the website of legislative initiatives to "initiate" the "Law on material liability of an official"... Stop training on the "symbols of Russia". Finally, the official, working "badly", steals my money. By the way, maybe I didn’t look, but I didn’t find an intelligible resource with the results of voting in the Duma, with a layout by persons and parties.

    I somehow try to understand Putin with his patronage M. ("we are a tandem", etc.), but to what extent this patronage extends. What else should government officials (MO, and the rest - apparently not enough) have to do to raise the question of the competence of the government (or chairman)? The situation in tandem is far from comical - one drags up, the other ... Someone needs to be changed.
    1. Yarosvet
      +3
      30 August 2013 18: 31
      Quote: GrBear
      1. Who pays salaries to our government?
      2. Why is a "big" official unsinkable?
      1. 0
        1 September 2013 10: 19
        Well yes. the eye of the planet provides links here. And from here there are links there.
        Why does the cuckoo praise the rooster? .........
  24. +1
    30 August 2013 13: 15
    All post-Soviet reforms seem to the majority either ridiculous, sometimes harmful, sometimes stupid, then ill-conceived, and so on. But they generally look very focused.
  25. +2
    30 August 2013 13: 17
    I have already gone through the "reform" of military education. In 2009, the university was "reformed", that is, destroyed. Now I teach at a civil technical university. Everything that is happening in higher education painfully resembles what the "reformers" did with military education. Who wrote the law and where? Yes, probably abroad, therefore, and the authors are not called suddenly turns out to be a consultant. or even a CIA personnel officer. After all, before destroying military science, Madame Vasilyeva, Priezzheva and others visited the States, where they were told HOW and WHAT to do. The result is ruin and Western applause. Now it is possible to "reform" any country that does not agree with the US policy.
    1. Yarosvet
      +3
      30 August 2013 18: 36
      Quote: tank64rus
      Who wrote the law and where?

      It doesn’t matter who writes where, but who signs it.
      1. -3
        30 August 2013 18: 55
        Another KAZACHOK! And the nickname you chose, Slavic, you won’t dig!
        Let me guess who will CORRECTLY sign, but not really Bulk, or maybe Novodvorskaya?
        After all, it doesn’t matter to you WHAT they will sign there, WHO is important.
        Here's a start: A system that cannot fix itself. On the global shortage of personnel for the government (http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27436/)
        And this is for a snack, the main thing at the end: This is not a totalitarian "scoop" for you, this is the United States - you will not move here! (http://oko-planet.su/politik/newsday/188265-eto-tebe-ne-totalitarnyy-sovok-eto-

        ssha-tut-ne-derneshsya.html)
        1. Yarosvet
          0
          30 August 2013 20: 17
          Quote: Lomikus
          Another KAZACHOK!

          Misha, Misha ... negative

          1. -1
            30 August 2013 22: 04
            Scribe, see comment above. Who built this system? President Putin? He came into it with promises of a guarantee of the existing system. He is the guarantor of the Constitution and basic federal laws. But how do they work? and who wrote them does not seem to bother you. Just do not say that we ourselves foolishly violated the Constitution of the USSR, and dismissed ourselves, and then we ourselves adopted a better one, where there is not a word about national Russian politics.
            You read, M.L. Khazina is a system! and she breaks a person, or throws:
            "... The picture attached to us is the following. Putin cannot just remove Nabiullina, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Ulyukayev, even if he personally does not like one of them, because they have demonstrated that they are" on the board. " if they are left, then no one below will be able to fix anything, even if they know what to do and how to do it. They simply won’t give him - from the point of view of the listed characters, everything that does not correspond to their outlook on life must be eliminated. They will lie , falsify statistics, then arrange conspiracies (if Putin is dissatisfied with them, then let Putin disappear and someone else appears, after all, when they were already who, who was Putin?) both internal and supported from - outside the country ... And if they are removed, then people will come to their place, most of whom will fall into the corridors of power for the first time. And they will make a lot of mistakes, and almost immediately. And there will be many people (especially taking into account the fact that the press is also under the control of the same person zhey), and with numerous merits, which will actively point out these errors and inflate them as much as possible ... "- http://www.odnako.org/blogs/show_27436/
            1. Yarosvet
              0
              31 August 2013 02: 50
              Quote: Lomikus
              He came into it with promises of a guarantee of the existing system.
              He came to her as a guarantor of the Constitution, which he does not guarantee.

              But how do they work?
              They work the way people who perform them work, and the lower level of executors works like the top level, like a guarantor.

              and then they themselves adopted a better one, where not a word about national Russian politics.
              1 - the current Constitution is muddled, but not bad.
              2 - look at the concept of "ideology" in dictionaries, and no longer confuse ideology with national politics.
              3 - after reading the dictionary, reread at least the 1st chapter of the Constitution - it may come.

              You read, M.L. Khazina is a system! and she breaks a person, or throws
              Therefore, Vova is at least broken, but as a maximum - has always been part of this system - well done Misha, you talked to yourself good

              Putin cannot just remove Nabiullina, Shuvalov, Dvorkovich, Ulyukaev
              It’s interesting - when you hire someone to put tiles in your bathroom, you and Vova take care of him: you are interested in his problems, you enter his position, despite the fact that the tile goes in waves from time to time and rolls , calmly relate to the fact that the term of work is increasing, and the estimate is growing? Or do you demand a refund, pay a penalty and give him a kick in the ass?
              Probably all the same, the second - right ?.

              Who is the guarantor (see the meaning of the word in the dictionary)? Who determines the main policies? Who signs federal laws that contradict the Constitution?

              They just won’t give him
              Give a couple of examples when he at least tried, and then - if they don’t give him, if he can’t do anything - why the hell is such a president needed? What functions does it have - ensuring the benefit of the nomenclature with the oligarchy, or all the same ensuring the benefit of the people and the country through the implementation of the provisions of the Constitution?

              And they will make a lot of mistakes, and almost immediately.
              And if the current ones remain, then the "mistakes" will be purposeful - are social norms ready to pay for air? laughing

              I understand that you are ready to lie in the ground - if only to leave Vova in power? Where does this interest come from?
              1. -2
                31 August 2013 13: 00
                Everything is clear, all traitors, everyone deceives you and stuffs your pocket, especially the evil uncle Vova, offends you, does not consult, does not fulfill his promises, does not guarantee the constitution. The constitution is muddled, laws do not work, because people do not work, and then they suddenly begin to contradict the chaotic constitution. How bad it is. You probably have one way out. Fell in the USA! There, in general, everyone is bathed in gold, the constitution is working, Obashka will fulfill it, and there are the correct laws, there is no selfish elite, everyone thinks only about the people!
                Or you are paid here as a great PROSALIPOLIMERSHCHIK.
                1. Yarosvet
                  0
                  31 August 2013 15: 22
                  Quote: Lomikus
                  You, I look, in each hole a plug!
                  You apparently you cannot distinguish black from white.
                  You work there in the personnel department to know who works for whom?

                  Quote: Lomikus
                  Everything is clear, all traitors, everything you cheat and stuff your pocket, especially the evil uncle Vova, you offends with you does not consult, does not fulfill his promises, does not guarantee the constitution.
                  You probably have one way out.
                  Or you here they pay as the great PROSALIPOLIMERSHCHIK.

                  Do you have a split personality, or are you a "Siamese twin" with one head polite and the other not very? laughing
                2. fartfraer
                  0
                  31 August 2013 16: 37
                  "Or you are paid here as a great PROSRALIPOLIMERSHIP." - you will not believe, but I can look around for free and even see what is happening. And your hurray-patriotism (more precisely, hurray-Putinism) is based only on words.
                  "You probably have only one way out. Bring it to the USA!" - this is the way out of those who keep money over the hill. But the common man has nowhere to dump.
                  but in general, you argue interestingly - they are not satisfied with the reforms of Serdyukov or others — put them in a row, want to keep promises, put them in a row, someone is deceiving you and stuffing pockets for your (including expense) –– a road to the band.
                  those. do you think that the laws of thieves and irresponsibility for their words and their appointees should rule in Russia? Maybe you should blame yourself? The only question is where. In China, they shoot such people, they put them in Europe ... in Afghanistan? Yes, you don’t need anyway .. . difficult choice you have, I do not envy.
                  By the way, I apologize for getting into the conversation, but as I understand it, it is not personal, because it is put on public display.
  26. 0
    30 August 2013 13: 41
    What is the subject of "scientific reform"? Science is the tenth thing here. At the time of the collapse of the Union, the Academy of Sciences had colossal funds and gigantic real estate. The funds were immediately stolen (and they were never scientists) and real estate? Someone thinks that academicians began to control real estate? Correspondent members? Professor? AND? In general, I did not notice too many mentally disabled downs here who would believe it. No, people are kind. It was not academics who seized the resources of Soviet science ...
    What is it like now? A few tough teams with orders from the government or the Ministry of Defense. Departmental research centers (even fewer). Grantees. And the largest team (a gang, more precisely) - trade union committee members, procurers, cleaners ... here is the largest cohort of "scientists" who tore off buildings, structures, equipment ... They subordinate whole armies of bandits and networks of trade and sales offices, which have grown stronger for free ... The sea of ​​money from which it is so easy to pay for "honest bloggers" and whole strikes ...
    Who is threatened by the reform? Customers will smear on the wall any attempts to "reform" the teams that work for the authorities. Serdyukov flooded? This was the last monster of robbery, now it will immediately become bad for this, without options. Departmental? It's clear here. But the remaining two groups ...
    Grantees here use our resources to work in the West. Well, a vile thief ... For both of these groups, any reform is fraught with the appearance of a terrifying word. I suppose they write in a bed every night. This is a word audit! As soon as the most superficial check begins that these people have done without the master's eye ... Given the current realities, there will be practically no lawsuits. There will be accidents, most likely right with the family. Many have done this - and America will not save ...
    So they pay for the dastardly articles. By the way, yes, the reform has no author. And it will not, because they will overwhelm in the same second, mean spite boils ...
  27. Ryzhikov
    0
    30 August 2013 14: 12
    If I understand correctly, the feet of all reforms grow out of Medvedev’s cunning ass. It is strange that the Guarantor of the Constitution of the GDP does not understand that the teddy bear is the ballast, he, like a small child, is able to break but not repair tongue
    1. 0
      30 August 2013 16: 54
      The guarantor understands everything. But why keeps in premah, that's the question. DAM is dangerous for everyone in the country. He's like a blonde in a car. I do not want to offend women, I wrote for clarity, sorry.
  28. +1
    30 August 2013 17: 30
    Your Guarantor understands everything))) he would have thought 15-20 years, for 10 years so far only drafts. And when tired of thinking, he plays the game Superman on the Galleys laughing
  29. 0
    30 August 2013 18: 48
    Quote: Petergut
    Ps
    I’ll tell a story about the Belarusian police.


    In 2005, we were crawling "reinforcements" on patrol along the frosty evening streets - they came across a very "tired" peasant sitting in a snowdrift. And that day at the "Motovilikhinskiye Zavody" they gave out a salary - he "noted" it. They dragged me to the strong point, found a mobile phone, phoned my wife, waited, and handed her over. In the course of the play, the "client" strove to lose the undersubscribed money supply - so he had to put them in his pockets - money - to put ...)))
  30. +1
    30 August 2013 19: 03
    One thing touches me, the officials here in the role of a gun or a mousetrap. But these things do not kill on their own, you see what I mean? There is a layout on top. It is performed. Not officials, so the army, not so much the Ministry of Emergencies. The performer does not matter. This is just a tool.
  31. 0
    30 August 2013 21: 11
    I want to quote from the speech of the Nobel Prize laureate academician J. Alferov: When the law on reform of the RAS was introduced, for the first time in my life I felt that my country did not need it... Bitter words. The "reforms" in the army are still fresh in our memory, when thousands of promising officers were thrown out of action, military science was destroyed, and multibillion-dollar funds were stolen. And now, demons, officials disguised as reformers want to "comb" academic science. One thought alone worries me: how will yesterday’s three-year-old reform the academician? I can’t find an answer ...
  32. Aboriginal53
    0
    30 August 2013 21: 36
    Antipopular government with antipopular "reforms" Whatever they reform, everything turns against the people. One gets the impression that the officials need a country without the people. If it were not for the people, they would have sold the country as in their time Alaska and drove off to warm countries to live for their own pleasure.
    1. Yarosvet
      +1
      30 August 2013 21: 42
      Quote: Aboriginal53
      One gets the impression that officials need a country without a people.
  33. Anti
    -1
    30 August 2013 22: 01
    I think the officials are the same we all are, just not in the bread places. Envy or what? In short, imagine yourself in their place. winked
    1. fartfraer
      +1
      31 August 2013 16: 39
      imagined .. strange, in my opinion everything is somehow not the way officials imagine ... what to do?
    2. +1
      31 August 2013 20: 41
      But what about LOVE for the MOTHERLAND? WITH PATRIOTISM? Where did all this go? Is $$ more expensive than the homeland? And what, embezzlement of billions to the grave? Are they just 10-15 billion short for caviar? What, after ME - DO NOT GROW GRASS ???
  34. not good
    +2
    30 August 2013 22: 31
    It seems that not all State Department advisers have been sent home yet, and the current reforms prove this.
  35. +2
    31 August 2013 10: 25
    "They destroy science to survive."

    Officials do not want to invest in science, new developments and education. Or they part with money only after calling "from above". Indeed, for them, their own enrichment comes first, and the faster the better. Yes, and it is easier to manage and deceive them than an uneducated person ... besides, an ordinary person is practically defenseless. Unity among the population is minimal, mutual respect and revenue is practically absent. Education rises in price, extortions in kindergartens and schools are growing.
  36. diesel
    +1
    31 August 2013 19: 54
    Quote: a52333

    a52333


    Yesterday, 08: 50




    Yes. This "initiative group" must be cleared out of the government. Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, military, USE. Take your liberal hands away from us

    Clean up does not work, they will come the same. We need a concept for the development of the country, the status and oath of an official, criminal liability for deviating the results of an official from an approved concept. Political parties replaced by trade unions, not one party did not lead the country to a brighter future. We need to listen to General Petrov and read the Concept of Public Security, we need ideology, we are already convinced by the 5th column that the soldiers of the Red Army were atrocious, and the Germans were white and fluffy. The ideology of temporary workers dominates perceiving the position as an opportunity for uncontrolled feeding.
  37. +1
    31 August 2013 20: 29
    ... Introduce zero per mille, mark inspection, return non-zero per mille, transfer inspection to private companies, tying it to insurance ... Prohibit the translation of arrows, allow translation, prohibit again, then promise to think about it ...

    And you, dear Citizens of Russia, do not know "ideologue" this D / D / R / I ??? And you can still endlessly continue the list of "masterpieces" from ...
    Mr. Mendel. He clearly fulfills the "order", because as people from his ideas - KOROZHIT, but he does not give a damn, he is a kind of "god", the most "smart", and the PEOPLE, experts in their fields, are apparently stupid, since he is not going to consult with them, listen to them, rested like ... you yourself know who, and is not going to retreat from their "wise" innovations. So "bending" his line may or may not be VERY "distant", or fulfilling the order ...
  38. +2
    1 September 2013 22: 40
    Quote: dizelniy
    Quote: a52333
    a52333 Yesterday, 08:50
    Yes. This "initiative group" must be cleared out of the government. Reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences, military, USE. Take your liberal hands away from us

    Clean up does not work, they will come the same. We need a concept for the development of the country, the status and oath of an official, criminal liability for deviating the results of an official from an approved concept. Political parties replaced by trade unions, not one party did not lead the country to a brighter future. We need to listen to General Petrov and read the Concept of Public Security, we need ideology, we are already convinced by the 5th column that the soldiers of the Red Army were atrocious, and the Germans were white and fluffy. The ideology of temporary workers dominates perceiving the position as an opportunity for uncontrolled feeding.

    Good evening, dear "nickname", I'm sorry, I don't know how to call you by name?

    You are absolutely right! good

    On my own behalf, let me add that after the REMAINED changes in the foundations of Russia and the entire post-USSR, it will be necessary to repay all the "reformers" according to the principle:

    1. Inventing and implementing Reforms is equivalent to the Act of Wrecking.

    2. With criminal liability as for treason.

    3. 100% confiscation of all property from citizens of reformers and their relatives.

    4. Prohibition of the Reformers and their Relatives to work in state institutions for 25 years.

    In my opinion, a great upsurge of morality and patriotism towards the Motherland after that will appear in all the former republics of the USSR!

    PS
    Oh my dreams, dreams! And I want to live up to this.