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Syria as part of the big game

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Syria as part of the big game



I want to briefly express my opinion on what is the cause of the war in Syria and in other countries of the Near and Middle East.

Syria:
1 task - the need for a pipeline from the countries of the Persian Gulf to the Mediterranean Sea

Result:

1.1 Reducing the cost of delivering oil to European countries and, as a result, reducing the price of oil.
1.2 The weakening of the influence of the role of Russia in the supply of energy resources to Europe, including to the western countries of the CIS and the Baltic states.
1.3 Reducing Russia's income and weakening its economic and political influence.
1.4 Providing an alternative channel for the supply of hydrocarbons in case of war with Iran, if he decides to close the Strait of Hormuz. (The overlapping of the strait will deal a monstrous blow to the economy of the United States, Europe and the countries of the Arabian Peninsula).
1.5 Reduced economic losses in the event of war with Iran.
1.6 Ensuring US and European non-volatility. Providing reliable distribution channels for raw materials in the countries of the Arabian Peninsula.

profitable:
USA, Europe, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Jordan, probably Iraq.

unprofitable:
Iran, Russia, Egypt (reduction of cargo traffic in the Suez Canal), Libya (the nearest major exporter of oil to Europe).

actions:

1.1 Providing a split between Salafi and Shiite groups In Iraq (cutting Iran off from Syria).
1.2 Elimination of those who are able to provide economic and military assistance to Syria (Libya) and those who are not interested in cheap energy supplies from the Persian Gulf (Libya, Syria, Egypt, Russia - oh, do not get it yet).
1.3 Elimination of the influence of Russia and Iran in Syria, Change of government to a more loyal West.
1.4 Establishment in Egypt of a government that would care more not about national economic interests, but about supporting the West.

Syria and Libya
2. The development of hydrocarbon deposits in Syria and Libya by Western companies on favorable terms.

Syria
3. Elimination of the only Russian naval base in the Mediterranean.
3.1 Remove the strategic ships of the Russian Federation from the soft underbelly of Europe and Israel.
3.2 Remove transit point for the supply of weapons to the Near East and the Middle East.
3.2 Minimize Russia's political, economic and military influence in the region.

Profitable:
USA, Europe, Israel
Syria, Libya, etc ... \

4. Stop the export of Russian weapons to Libya, Syria, Arab countries (Including Said Arabia (complication of relations and the termination of exports)) and reorient these countries to Western models of weapons.

The result is a decline in Russia's economic and military power. Reorienting countries toward NATO blocs through integration of weapons systems. Control over the supply of weapons.


5. Stop the introduction of Chinese companies and products in the countries of North Africa.

6. The weakening of the growth of potential poles of power, economic, military and political competitors: Iran, Russia, China.

7. Ensuring the security of Israel and its allies in the event of the need to eliminate Iran.

7.1 Remove the most powerful military base of the Ally of Iran - Syria from under the side of Israel. To destroy this country, to plunge into civil war (preferably on a religious or national basis (for a long time) or to make a satellite of Western countries.

8. Destroy or discredit the maximum number of countries with a successful economy based on the socialist model of governance, where even formally the resources and plants belong not to a narrow group of elites, but to the state and, as a result, to the people as a whole.

Of the whole picture, only one fragment is not clear - Turkey.

1. Turkey is not profitable pipeline connecting the Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean Sea in Syria. As the role of Nabucco and other oil pipelines going through Turkey is reduced. Here is the chaos in Libya - profitable.
2. Turkey does not benefit from avalanches of refugees badly for ordinary Turks and for the economy as a whole.
3. Turkey is not profitable to incite war on its borders.
4. Turkey is not profitable to provoke the Kurds with whom they have so big problems, and now they will have more mass weaponsincluding heavy.
5. Turkey is not profitable to lose its actual ally in the confrontation with Israel - Syria.

Probably, the whole thing is in Erdogan himself, who on the one hand is positioning himself as a defender of Islam, and on the other hand as one who is able to return her former Greatness and influence to Turkey, at least at the regional level. Perhaps he hopes that, relying on trends like the Muslim Brotherhood, he will be able to create a prototype of the Ottoman Empire with Turkey at the head. In my opinion, a rather illusive dream that does not justify the risks to which he condemns his country. Perhaps the whole thing is the pressure that the West puts on him. Or perhaps he simply does not want to become a new Mubarek - an ally, to whom the West, without hesitation, sacrificed for its own benefit and certain sufficiently clear goals in the Big Game.

So, as we see, God himself, but rather the Devil ordered to kindle a war in Syria and in the Middle East. Not because someone just wanted to, but because it is profitable and, moreover, necessary.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 30 August 2013 12: 35 New
    17
    Everything is laid out on shelves, thanks to the author hi
    Of the whole picture, only one fragment is not clear - Turkey.

    I think Turkey is "playing in the dark." IMHO
    From the "turmoil" of Turkey so far, only "losses" (aircraft, unrest, Kurds ...) and further these "losses" will only multiply. IMHO
    1. shpuntik
      shpuntik 30 August 2013 13: 06 New
      11
      experienced (1) RU Today, 12:35 New
      From the "turmoil" of Turkey so far, only "losses" (aircraft, unrest, Kurds ...) and further these "losses" will only multiply. IMHO

      The main loss will be when Constantinople will have to be returned.
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 30 August 2013 14: 32 New
      +7
      Erdogan is sleeping, and sees the revival of the Ottoman Empire. This, most likely, leads him to the goal, like a donkey with a bundle of hay on a stick.
    3. DEfindER
      DEfindER 30 August 2013 16: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: seasoned
      I think Turkey is "playing in the dark"

      Most likely, Erdogan realizes that he is sitting on a powder keg, and that in the event of any support by external players for the protest movement in Turkey, Gaddafi’s fate can wait for him, so he stupidly fulfills the will of these players, even to the detriment of his country ..
    4. Very old
      Very old 31 August 2013 11: 19 New
      0
      It should be added: Erdogan, the region, as it is necessary to march on a small victorious war, is a good move to smooth out internal turmoil. Riots were only muffled for a while, discontent remained with them.
      The article is definitely a big plus
  2. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 30 August 2013 12: 39 New
    +3
    "From the whole picture, only one fragment is not clear - Turkey" - weaken the economic power of a neighbor. hi
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 30 August 2013 16: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      "From the whole picture, only one fragment is not clear - Turkey" - to weaken the economic power of a neighbor.

      The economy of Syria before the war was not comparable with the Turkish one, they are not a competitor to them, and getting a terrorist education near by instead of a friendly country is much less interesting for sane people, who are the vast majority of the Turks themselves ..
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 16: 58 New
        0
        Syria has never been a friendly country for Turkey. Since the days of Assad, they supported the Kurds from the PKK. And now they wonder why Turkey opposes Assad.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER 30 August 2013 17: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: xetai9977
          Syria has never been a friendly country for Turkey. Since the days of Assad, they supported the Kurds from the PKK. And now they wonder why Turkey opposes Assad.

          How Syria can not support the Kurds if they are part of its people and have the right to vote. Assad has nothing to do with it, he is obliged to protect the interests of all voters. And Kurds in Turkey are generally considered terrorists and they have far fewer rights, why not help them politically fight for their rights, there is nothing wrong with that ..
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 52 New
            +2
            Help with what? If with weapons and bombs, then should Turkey's position be surprised?
          2. alone
            alone 30 August 2013 17: 56 New
            0
            they consider members of the Kurdish Workers Party and their armed supporters to be terrorists. Agree that these are not all Kurds. And not all Kurds support the PKK and are completely loyal to the authorities.
          3. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 35 New
            +2
            But did you live in Turkey and know their rights? No one ever considers Kurds for terrorists and never did, and a Kurdish terrorist never wrote in Turkish newspapers.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 31 August 2013 10: 43 New
              0
              Quote: ayyildiz
              But did you live in Turkey and know their rights? No one ever considers Kurds for terrorists and never did, and a Kurdish terrorist never wrote in Turkish newspapers.

              And I didn’t say that everyone was considered terrorists, I said that the Kurds are infringed on their rights, there is discrimination. Otherwise, why should they fight, if they were treated like in Syria, there would be no Kurdish terrorists ..
              1. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 31 August 2013 11: 25 New
                +1
                In Syria, 100 once treated the Kurds worse; they were never allowed into the civil service!


                And the fact that everything was calm there and for the terrorist bases that were there!
    2. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 31 August 2013 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      "From the whole picture, only one fragment is not clear - Turkey" - to weaken the economic power of a neighbor.

      I still do not understand why it is impossible to lay an oil and gas pipeline through Israel to the Mediterranean Sea, and the Israelis would have dividends.
      1. GDP
        1 September 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        It’s impossible to direct the pipeline to Israel, only through countries hostile to it ... Moreover, closer to the nearest pipelines through Syria ... But this is not the main one, this is only one of the reasons ....
  3. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 30 August 2013 12: 45 New
    +3
    Yes, God be with them, with plans in bulk. So and so sucked. Personally, I’m interested in Assad’s prospects if the United States still does not dare to strike. Or it will be proved that CW was used by the rebels. If everything goes so well, then not only Assad will sit, but Russia will also get such advantages, with such interesting layouts, that ...!
    1. Bort radist
      Bort radist 30 August 2013 13: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Or it will be proved that CW was used by the rebels. If everything goes so well, then not only Assad will sit, but Russia will also get such advantages, with such interesting layouts, that ...!

      But the states did not think about it - "this cannot be, because this cannot be." Comedy - "Obama the Great and Terrible" continues.
      1. alexng
        alexng 30 August 2013 15: 50 New
        0
        That’s what stops the WHA from aggression against Syria
        1. alone
          alone 30 August 2013 16: 40 New
          +5
          the presence of the s-300 is questionable. no one knows if Syria has it or not. of everything, it’s just shells and beeches. the rest is not serious. with a powerful electronic warfare they will stupidly look up.
          1. Stalinets
            Stalinets 31 August 2013 17: 57 New
            0
            You do not know what problems the Russian army had during the war with Georgia? As the radar screens went dead and there was no radio connection .. Air defense facilities, yes it’s not yet a fact of its application. All of these are barned by stinkers, Sassas and other nazes, who are waging a war in Syria, will render any air defense unusable. They are all there, everything is in place. Plus the fifth column, most importantly. Remember how they blew up half of the government with the Minister of Defense? What so easy to do? If Syria does not have allies in the person of Iran, Russia, China, then Syria will not be soon. Air defense, nothing to do with it.
        2. xetai9977
          xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 01 New
          +4
          It is unlikely that Syrian air defense will stop the United States. They will attack as soon as they are ready.
    2. Very old
      Very old 31 August 2013 11: 34 New
      0
      This morning, KERRY spoke: it doesn't matter what the UN says; it doesn’t matter who used XO- we will punish Assad in any case. Like that - nobody cross. All the arguments for him are an empty phrase.
  4. alone
    alone 30 August 2013 12: 46 New
    10
    let me mention a few omissions that are in the article.
    As for Nabucco, he bent. Russia and Azerbaijan considered how not to interfere with each other in Europe and bent Nabucco as a project.
    Turkey benefits from a pipeline from Qatar to Europe. Cheap gas, some can buy for their own needs + transit fees. Turkey and Syria have never been allies.

    Or perhaps he just doesn’t want to become the new Mubarek - an ally whom the West without hesitation sacrificed for his own benefit and for some fairly clear goals in the Big Game.


    in Turkey, power is changing by elections. There, nobody just sits for decades. This is a fact. if the people get tired of Erdogan, they will not vote for him.
    1. Alexei
      Alexei 30 August 2013 14: 13 New
      +6
      Yes, h-li ... this is Turkey’s sweetheart, which is not guilty of anything, but if it’s guilty, it’s not guilty anyway. tongue Your beloved Turkey is playing along with the script described above. Either it opens its borders for the militants, or it doesn’t send its planes where it should be, in short Sklifasovsky, they always have something to profit from, they will always snatch a thread.
      Quote: lonely
      in Turkey, power is changing by elections. There, nobody just sits for decades. This is a fact. if the people get tired of Erdogan, they will not vote for him.

      What are you alluding to? Spit deep on the elections in Turkey.
      1. alone
        alone 30 August 2013 15: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexej
        What are you alluding to? Spit deep on the elections in Turkey.


        believe me, you are mistaken. the cameras climb just in those countries where 100% of voters participate in the elections and the presidents gain the same percentage + -5))
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 31 August 2013 05: 56 New
          +1
          Lonely do not flatter yourself, amers climb wherever they get in, and do what is beneficial to them. Turkey is no exception. bully
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 30 August 2013 14: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      Russia and Azerbaijan have considered how not to interfere with each other in Europe and have bent nabucco as a project.
      +++ Oil and gas is the cause of contention, drinking water will soon be added, and how everything will be in reality, only God knows.
    3. GDP
      30 August 2013 14: 40 New
      +2
      1. Yes, while the question with Nabucco has hung in the air, thanks to our diplomacy (maybe still something else ...). But it is not a fact that work in this direction will not continue again, politics is a changeable thing, and Nabucco is beneficial to many from a political and economic point of view. But do not forget that other pipelines from the Persian Gulf, in particular from Iraq, go through Turkey. Why do they need an alternative source of supply close by in a foreign country, moreover, a shorter one and a lower cost of service ...
      2. If necessary, in any country, any ruler can be made an enemy of the people and doused with slops, the main thing is to find those who are profitable and competent to approach this ... Although maybe I am not right about Turkey ...
      1. alone
        alone 30 August 2013 15: 20 New
        +3
        Quote: GDP
        Yes, while the question with Nabucco has hung in the air, thanks to our diplomacy (maybe still something else ...).

        Europeans wanted us to build Nabucco on our own money. In this situation, it is not surprising that ours refused this venture
        1. GDP
          30 August 2013 16: 03 New
          +1
          Could throw money on such a holy cause - this is primarily in their interests ...
          1. alone
            alone 30 August 2013 16: 36 New
            +3
            that's why they bent the project. not only that they sell oil and gas, also pay for the pipeline)))
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 48 New
        +2
        In fact, pipelines already pass through Turkey, and not one. And everyone is functioning.
    4. xetai9977
      xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 04 New
      0
      The level of democracy in Turkey is not found in any CIS country. We all can only dream of such a legal system as in Turkey
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 30 August 2013 17: 48 New
        -1
        xetai9977alone Turkey is geopolitically opposed to Russia, enough to praise a state that is not friendly to us, remain unconvinced, it is not interesting to most. If you have a good relationship with the Turks, God help you and the broom to the edge.
        ps
        Turkey ENEMY, I will repeat the ENEMY of Russia again and always will be, always!
        pss
        Just as we will never fight with Serbia or Belarus, we will NEVER be friends with Turkey, NEVER, as in the 1000s of our neighborhood, our allies have never been adversaries, ALWAYS.
        psss
        History has a place to repeat itself, if you did not know, then I opened my eyes to you.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 57 New
          0
          You are free to consider yourself enemies and even the whole world !!! By the way, I was not much mistaken. Anglo-Saxons, Turks, Poles, Chinese with Japanese, Caucasians, Central Asians, Ukrainians, Arabs with Jews, Europeans are already walking in your enemies. So go on, two flags in your hands and with a song !!!
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 09 New
            +1
            Russia has no allies except the army and navy. This is the answer of most Russians, the unions did not help our country, as they should, so over the centuries a different opinion has emerged, an opinion that is in the blood.
            1. Part of Russia is Europe, so that you are already mistaken about Europe.
            2.Ukrainians are not our enemies, only the elite are hostile, do not write nonsense.
            3.Azerbaijan in general fought with someone serious? Nimbus doesn't bother no? The Russians liberated everything that is possible ... Do not compare Slavs and Turks or whatever you like, not comparing things!
            4. Russia has a Jewish autonomous region and the second state in Israel is Russian.
            5. Central Asians drink blood from Russia.
            6. Caucasians, of course, are enemies, and who are friends? They fight with us all the time. To you to list all wars and revolts?
            7. There is no peace treaty with Japan, formally it is hostile.
            8. Anglo-Saxons also consider all as enemies, nothing surprising.
            9. I will not say anything about the Arabs, everything is very complicated there.

            If you want to argue with me, have facts, try to argue with at least something, and do not write your next nonsense, which is backed by facts, some kind of extremists.

            Thank you!
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 30 August 2013 18: 22 New
              +3
              In fact, nonsense is to see all enemies as a circle. Nonsense in a cube is considered to be the enemies of those who fought 100,300,500 years ago. I don’t intend to polemicize with anyone, but simply set forth my vision. Everyone remains with his opinion.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 47 New
                0
                xetai9977 We have different points of view, different thinking, different understandings, we are unlikely to come to a common point of view, you are Caucasian, I am Russian. To my regret, you simply do not want to understand. we did not fight Turkey 500 years ago, we fought Turkey over those same 400 years.
            2. grafrozow
              grafrozow 30 August 2013 18: 35 New
              +1
              Quote: Marrying
              but do not write your next nonsense, which is supported by the facts, of some extremists.

              Quote: Marrying
              4. Russia has a Jewish autonomous region and the second state in Israel is Russian.

              Quote: Marrying
              or how are you there, not comparing things!

              Quote: Marrying
              9. I will not say anything about the Arabs, everything is very complicated there.
              I will not comment, see the picture.
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 37 New
                -1
                grafrozow Bravo, you only have to look at the pictures!
        2. alone
          alone 30 August 2013 17: 59 New
          +4
          Eugene, they don’t cooperate with the geopolitical adversary and do not have a turnover of $ 35 billion. Yes, you will not fight with Serbia, but you forget how your leadership betrayed the Serbs. Let's not be pathetic PR. And yet, I do not need to open my eyes, but you should think soberly.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 36 New
            +1
            aloneWelcome.
            1. This turnover is nothing compared to the same China or the EU.
            2. Turkey is beneficial, since the main tourism is designed for us, we are most likely to benefit from fruit.
            3.Approach? Our country was in a very difficult situation, there was an option, as it were, to stay afloat, for information in Siberia printed their money. So no big words about betrayal are needed, we consider them brothers, they are us, since they understood that Russia now and Russia of the 1990s are very different things.
            4.Thanks I think soberly.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Marrying
              2. Turkey is profitable, since the main tourism is designed for

              Last year, 35 million tourists visited them from 3,5 Russians!

              1. This turnover is nothing compared to the same China or the EU.

              And Turkey has more trade with the EU. So what?
        3. grafrozow
          grafrozow 30 August 2013 18: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Marrying
          if you didn’t know, then I opened my eyes to you.
          Thanks, Zhenya ...
        4. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Marrying
          Just as we will never fight with Serbia or Belarus, we will NEVER be friends with Turkey,


          And with Ukraine means you think to fight!

          And for what everyday life friends can just have good neighborly and economic relations!
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 40 New
            +2
            ayyildizI am not the president and do not give orders, I have no idea if we will fight with someone or not.
            Are you to yourself and Armenia?
            Thanks funny.
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Marrying
              Thanks funny.


              The funny thing is that you do not deliberately write! hi
          2. Sandov
            Sandov 31 August 2013 06: 00 New
            +1
            It will seem like a miracle to you, but at one time there was an excellent relationship with Turkey, until the shaves entered between us. They drove a wedge somewhere in the Middle Ages.
        5. Yeraz
          Yeraz 30 August 2013 19: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Marrying
          Turkey ENEMY, I will repeat the ENEMY of Russia again and always will be, always!

          The latter was especially surprised)) Well, what do you think of the Germans and the French then? Pure interest.
        6. GDP
          30 August 2013 20: 42 New
          +1
          Turkey was at one time an ally of Russia. In 1833, when the son of the Egyptian Vali, Ibrahim Pasha defeated the Turkish army and his troops approached Istanbul, the Russian fleet and a ten thousandth landing fleet landed in Constantinople and actually saved Turkey as a State. True, Turkey soon opposed Russia in the Crimean War on the side of England, France and the Sardinian kingdom. At the same time, the allies of Russia - Prussia and Austria betrayed her ...
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 30 August 2013 20: 51 New
            +2
            Quote: GDP
            Ibrahim Pasha


            Ibrahim Pasha is also a Turk, the Russians did not help the Turks, but they helped the Sultan! hi
            1. GDP
              31 August 2013 09: 04 New
              0
              As much as a Turk, Rurik is Norwegian. By nationality - yes, he is a Turk, but as I understand it, he represented the interests of Egypt. It is not known what borders Turkey would exist now and would exist in general if Ibrahim Pasha took Istanbul. But this is my opinion - an amateur ... I do not pretend to the ultimate truth, it is - assumptions :)
      2. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 30 New
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        The level of democracy in Turkey, this is not in any CIS country

        And there never has been and never will be in the current situation!
  5. 787nkx
    787nkx 30 August 2013 12: 47 New
    0
    All the money from exporting resources to the country's economy. Setting export quotas with a decrease from year to year.
  6. Dorokhin_1983
    Dorokhin_1983 30 August 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    We are waiting for the Fall of 2014. It will be seen who, where ... sad
  7. an_ursus
    an_ursus 30 August 2013 12: 55 New
    +3
    About 16 years ago, while in Istanbul, I saw many sellers of stalls and shops a colorful map called "Panturkia", which included everything to the Urals and Siberia .... The game is distant with an eye.
    1. Dober
      Dober 30 August 2013 13: 04 New
      14
      Quote: an_ursus
      The game is far with an eye

      And for the Turks to “finish the game” at least until the middlegame, it will take at least 300 years. Provided that the rest will not mind.
      Quote: an_ursus
      called "Panturkia", which included everything to the Urals and Siberia ..

      Everyone has such cards, even Moldova fellow
      I also have my own. On it, the borders of my site stretch from the pier with yachts in Rostock to the seaside olive grove in Croatia ... laughing
      Only this is a secret. You please, no one ...
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        1. Dober
          Dober 31 August 2013 02: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: grafrozow
          Hello Misha.

          Hello and you be, Sasha! And your family and friends including!
          And who is Misha?
          Turned around to convey your health - I did not find such.
          And what "confused" you? What am I writing from Sildemow, next to S132, Mecklenburg?
          In the "answer" to your photo. I will hang a hundred of mine.
          Do you need it, Sanya? There are questions - I’ll answer either through the PM, or better through the “box”. Just ask ... or hint ...
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 30 August 2013 13: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: an_ursus
      About 16 years ago, while in Istanbul, I saw many sellers of stalls and shops a colorful map called "Panturkia", which included everything to the Urals and Siberia .... The game is distant with an eye.


      I don’t know, maybe not the topic

      Father Paisius and his prophecies:


      Today to read prophecies is how to read a newspaper: everything is clearly written. Thought tells me that many events will happen: the Russians will occupy Turkey, Turkey will disappear from the map, because 1 / 3 Turks will become Christians, 1 / 3 will die and 1 / 3 will go to Mesopotamia.
      The Middle East will become the scene of wars in which Russians will take part. A lot of blood will be shed, and even the Chinese will cross the Euphrates River, having an 200.000.000 army, and reach Jerusalem. A characteristic sign that these events are approaching is the destruction of the Omar mosque, as its destruction will mean the beginning of work on the reconstruction of the temple of Solomon, which was built on that spot.
      In Constantinople there will be a great war between Russians and Europeans, and a lot of blood will be shed. Greece will not play a leading role in this war, but they will give it to Constantinople, not because the Russians will revere us, but because there is no better solution, and agree together with Greece, and difficult circumstances will put pressure on them. The Greek army will not have time to go there, as the city will be given to her. Jews, since they will have the strength and help of the European leadership, become insolent and show themselves with shamelessness and pride and try to rule Europe. Then 2 / 3 Jews will become Christians.

      Selected vessel. c. Xnumx
      http://znaki.0pk.ru/viewtopic.php?id=136
      1. alone
        alone 30 August 2013 13: 30 New
        +4
        wassat drugs generally have a detrimental effect on the brain)))
        1. ultra
          ultra 30 August 2013 13: 54 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          drugs generally have a detrimental effect on the brain)))

          I agree! Especially noticeable for Erdogan! laughing
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 14 New
            +3
            Have you seen Erdogan with a jamb? Do not think about the head of state only because he pursues a policy that you do not like. It is necessary to remind Erdogan at the meeting that he adheres only to the line that suits most users of this site. lol
            1. ultra
              ultra 30 August 2013 17: 58 New
              +2
              Quote: xetai9977
              Have you seen Erdogan with a jamb

              Judging by the actions of Turkey in the Syrian direction, there is something "heavier than a" jamb!
              1. Zhenya
                Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 52 New
                +3
                ultra There are no shoals, there are heavier drugs.
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 13 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Marrying
                  There are no shoals, there are heavier drugs


                  Are you sure?
      2. Dober
        Dober 30 August 2013 13: 30 New
        +2
        Read. Thank. Interestingly, though a lot is implausible.
        For instance. The Greek Army ... What, will it be like that? sad
        Or - "The Jews will become insolent and show themselves with shamelessness and pride and try to rule Europe. Then 2/3 of the Jews will become Christians." good laughing
        The first part has already come true. Pro beЗmankind has known shame for 2 years, and that 000/2 of “repainting itself” has already happened more than once.
        As for the remaining third, the question remains open.
        In that part, who will let them go for manure ...
      3. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 30 August 2013 14: 40 New
        0
        The prophecy, that drawbar, where you turn, it turned out there. Did you try to read the assistant's guide? There you can find half of the diagnoses at home.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 30 August 2013 14: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: an_ursus
      . The game is distant with an eye.

      It’s a utopia, for this to happen, all Turks should consider themselves representatives of a single nation, and their place of residence would be perceived as a conditional Petersburger, Moskvich, etc. But this is very far away. Until more significant results were achieved by Turks, Azerbaijanis, Crimean Tatars and TurkMAns (which, by and large, are Azerbaijanis), although far from ideal too.
      1. ultra
        ultra 30 August 2013 16: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        all Turks should consider themselves representatives of a single nation

        Well, at least the Turkic speakers present on the site, for the most part, think so!
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 30 August 2013 17: 42 New
          +3
          Quote: ultra
          Well, at least the Turkic speakers present on the site, for the most part, think so!

          We are a small part. Mostly Azerbaijanis and 1-2 Kazakhs are on this site, and the rest are not. Uzbekistan itself, Turkmenistan is closed, the Kyrgyz are still far from it, they can’t figure it out, I personally saw the relationship of northerners and southerners. Only Kazakhstan slowly approaching. The process can be greatly accelerated if a single language is accepted and teaching in all Turkic countries. Creation is not a problem, work has already been carried out, but it is a political solution. That's when it will be then reinforced unification will go.
          1. ultra
            ultra 30 August 2013 18: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            That's when it will be then enhanced unification will go.

            This is what We (Russians) need to prepare for!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 30 August 2013 19: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: ultra
              This is what we (Russians) need to prepare for.

              By this time, the world will change a hundred times. In Siberia, narrow-eyed Russians with a specific Chinese accent can walk, swarthy Russians in megalopolises)))))
              a joke a joke. But I always say that Russia, in order to become a global player again, must enter into a strategic alliance with the Turksim world. It’s not the same format as when it feeds its allies, and when the ally itself brings significant benefits to this Alliance. Here is the US alliance with the Gulf monarchies .If you are chosen again, we are allies, look down and throw freebies, everyone will be unhappy and this will be an ineffective alliance.
              1. ultra
                ultra 30 August 2013 22: 28 New
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                . Here is the US alliance with the monarchies of the bay.

                An excellent union! Pahan roofs the finished lesson! You won’t say anything different! It's high time to slam this viper! (Monarchy).
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 30 August 2013 23: 15 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ultra
                  An excellent union! Pahan roofs the finished lesson! You won’t say anything different! It's high time to slam this viper! (Monarchy).

                  Yes, of course, it’s better to give money to poor allies for free, who like to switch when it is beneficial to them on the other side. I also wish you heaps of Ossetia and Armenia.
              2. Essenger
                Essenger 30 August 2013 23: 28 New
                +2
                Quote: Yeraz
                In order to become a global player again, Russia must conclude a strategic alliance with the Turksim world.


                Such a union is impossible. Personally, I am against. Mutually beneficial cooperation and partnership is such an optimal format. Alliance is not.
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 31 August 2013 00: 45 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Essenger
                  Such a union is impossible. Personally, I am against. Mutually beneficial cooperation and partnership is such an optimal format. Alliance is not.

                  We need to think more broadly. The Turks don’t have nuclear weapons. Nearby are China. The USA and Russia remain. In the long run, neither of them like us and consider them second-class people. But we know Russia and Russia knows the people here better than Amers. And we need an alliance, only as I emphasized are real fruitful for both sides, and not for one.
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 30 August 2013 18: 52 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            We are a small part. Mostly Azerbaijanis and 1-2 Kazakhs on this site, and the rest are not. Uzbekistan is in itself, Turkmenistan is closed, the Kyrgyz are still far from this,
            Of course, I feel sorry for you, but we will not sponsor you, we serve on Tuesdays.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 30 August 2013 19: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: grafrozow
              Sorry for you of course

              What a pity, even this level is many times higher than the Slavic brotherhood.
              Quote: grafrozow
              , but we won’t sponsor you, we serve on Tuesdays.

              Why sponsor us ?? we can do it ourselves. Kyrgyz and dependent. Uzbekistan in part. And we are self-sufficient with the Kazakhs.
              And Turkmens are also for themselves))
              1. grafrozow
                grafrozow 30 August 2013 21: 00 New
                +2
                Quote: Yeraz
                What a pity, even this level is many times higher than the Slavic brotherhood.
                Kondapoga, Pugachev, Voronezh ... soon the whole country !!!
                Quote: Yeraz
                And we with the Kazakhs are self-sufficient.
                And Turkmens are also for themselves))

                I see it at our construction sites wassat
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 30 August 2013 22: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: grafrozow
                  Kondapoga, Pugachev, Voronezh ... soon the whole country !!!

                  and what? You’ll go to fight, not us.
                  Quote: grafrozow
                  I see it at our construction sites

                  Well, what? The economies of Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan do not depend on money transfers from Russia, it is more likely to Armenians, Kyrgyz and Tajiks whose economies depend on transfers from Russia.
    4. Suhov
      Suhov 30 August 2013 15: 00 New
      +7
      Quote: an_ursus
      ... being in Istanbul, I saw many sellers of stalls and shops a colorful map called "Panturkia", which included everything to the Urals and Siberia ...

      There are strategic goals.
      There are also tactical missions.
      In particular:
      If not for Russia, all Caucasians would be Turks.
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 30 August 2013 15: 03 New
        +4
        Good afternoon Sukhov! And what: cargo-turk - it sounds proudly ... Or a cargo ship? I don’t know: how to ...
        1. Dober
          Dober 30 August 2013 15: 23 New
          +5
          Quote: retired
          turkogruz

          The word "turkogruz" has already been staked out for a ferry to Varna carrying "bezh (Sh) ents" through Bulgaria to Germany, Belgium and Denmark.
          There are other options?
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 30 August 2013 16: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Dober
            The word "turkogruz" has already been staked out for a ferry to Varna carrying "bezh (Sh) ents" through Bulgaria to Germany, Belgium and Denmark.
            Did not know... fool
            Quote: Dober
            There are other options?
            request
            1. Dober
              Dober 31 August 2013 02: 41 New
              0
              Quote: retired
              Did not know...

              Now you know ...
              Uncle Yur, I appeal on behalf of your compatriots. Well, you sack this ferry ... and eat a hundred or two echelons by the forces of the Kovpak detachment. And the "we" for this will not "push" you. yes
              Or help you get a "view" ...
              The city of your choice ...
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 17 New
        +1
        I don’t know about others, but we always considered ourselves Turks.
    5. xetai9977
      xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 10 New
      +3
      Almost everyone has these notorious cards. Do not exaggerate their significance. We must proceed from the realities. As Mr. Fix said, "Use what is at hand and do not look for another"
  8. Essenger
    Essenger 30 August 2013 12: 57 New
    -9
    The IRGC troops are leaving Syria and Russia is curtailing its naval facility in Syria. What is this talking about?
    1. Dazdranagon
      Dazdranagon 30 August 2013 12: 59 New
      0
      Where is the information from? OBS?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 30 August 2013 13: 41 New
        -1
        Quote: Dazdranagon
        Where is the information from? OBS?


        If I give you links to Israeli media, you probably won’t believe it.
        Ayatollah Khamenei gave the order

        http://ari.ru/news/c291a8aae

        I refer to Heydar Dzhemal as the base account. I am sure that he is more informed than you.

        1. Dazdranagon
          Dazdranagon 30 August 2013 14: 04 New
          +5
          Obama and Kerry also shout "Assad used chemical weapons" ... And now what? They are also informed more than me, but I do not believe them!
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 30 August 2013 14: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Dazdranagon
            Obama and Kerry also shout "Assad used chemical weapons" ... And now what? They are also informed more than me, but I do not believe them!


            You asked the source of information, I answered you, then your right to believe or not.
        2. GDP
          30 August 2013 14: 45 New
          +4
          I already heard something like that, either a month or two ago ...
        3. Sandov
          Sandov 30 August 2013 16: 53 New
          +2
          Europe has already refused to participate in aggression. Let's look further.
    2. JIaIIoTb
      JIaIIoTb 30 August 2013 13: 04 New
      +1
      Sorry for God's sake. What do you smoke? Apparently tobacco?))
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 30 August 2013 14: 18 New
        0
        Quote: JIaIIoTb
        Sorry for God's sake. What do you smoke? Apparently tobacco?))

        Little by little)))
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 34 New
          +2
          ESSENGER, do not respond to insults. Judging by everything, you are a young man. Unfortunately, in our time, young people are not interested in politics. And you are not only interested, but also have your own opinion. This is excellent. drinks
    3. Dober
      Dober 30 August 2013 13: 16 New
      +6
      Quote: Essenger
      Russia is curtailing its naval facility in Syria.

      It was your bad dream.

      "- Do not read the" Turkish "newspapers for the night.
      “So there are no others.”
      - Here are no and do not read ... "

      / M. Bulgakov /
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 30 August 2013 13: 43 New
        0
        Quote: Dober
        Quote: Essenger
        Russia is curtailing its naval facility in Syria.

        It was your bad dream.

        "- Do not read the" Turkish "newspapers for the night.
        “So there are no others.”
        - Here are no and do not read ... "

        / M. Bulgakov /


        But unfortunately I do not speak Turkish yet (((But I'm going to study.
        1. Dober
          Dober 30 August 2013 14: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Essenger
          But unfortunately I do not speak Turkish yet (((But I'm going to study.

          Why "Unfortunately"? Do not worry or waste time if you are not going to become a specialist in extinct civilizations. This is a "dead end branch of development." That's why:
          1. The Ottomans sooner or later will be “completed” by the Kurds, and they have a different dialect.
          2. The remaining Turks will move (for example) to Germany. Here they are already like lice in a beard bum. But without knowledge of German, a residence permit is not given, therefore it is more needed.
          3. It is possible and this - read the post seller trucks. The words given in it are more credible than this Jemal. Feeding from the hands of Erdogans and Saudis and regularly wandering around the TV channels of Russia and Europe with the aim of splashing bile and licking a point for breadwinners.
          A vile, cunning, clammy guy ... But you need to raise ratings for programs targeted at anti-government highs ...
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 30 August 2013 14: 39 New
            +4
            Quote: Dober
            The words given in it are more credible than this Jemal. Feeding from the hands of Erdogans and Saudis and regularly wandering around the TV channels of Russia and Europe with the aim of splashing bile and licking a point for breadwinners.

            Dzhemalya feed Turks and Arabs? Well this shows how you analyze information. Jemal Shiite is Iran-oriented and is often there. They would have seen him attack the Gulenists.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 30 August 2013 14: 49 New
              +4
              An old village proverb - a cunning heifer of two queens sucks. The East is a delicate matter, and there the games on two fronts did not begin yesterday.
              1. kartalovkolya
                kartalovkolya 31 August 2013 12: 13 New
                0
                I ask you not to distort Russian proverbs and sayings, but this one is generally from Ukrainian folklore and sounds like this: “Tender tel dvi uteri sose!” Although, in principle, the same eggs, only a side view!
            2. Dober
              Dober 30 August 2013 15: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: Essenger
              Jemal Shiite is Iran-oriented and is often there.

              I was not going to argue about this, because did not know. What happens in Iran - that's what I said (almost). More precisely does not climb out.
              Quote: Essenger
              They would have seen him attack the Gulenists.

              He "attacks" everyone. Judging by the conjuncture on TV.
              Shiite showman. What? Not simular? Yes, these are now "sticking out" on TVs.
              Do you agree with the rest?
              1. Essenger
                Essenger 30 August 2013 15: 37 New
                0
                Quote: Dober
                Do you agree with the rest?

                Regarding Turks and Kurds? I think still no. I understand your attitude towards the Turks, historical grievances. But it seems to me that you take wishful thinking. In any case, we will not guess, wait and see.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 30 August 2013 16: 41 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Essenger
                  I understand your attitude towards the Turks, historical grievances.

                  Rather, the Turks have historical grievances! We are then offended by the "wretched"!
                  1. Essenger
                    Essenger 30 August 2013 16: 48 New
                    +1
                    Quote: ultra
                    Quote: Essenger
                    I understand your attitude towards the Turks, historical grievances.

                    Rather, the Turks have historical grievances! We are then offended by the "wretched"!


                    Perhaps, but I did not notice Russophobia among the Turks. And you wink When it comes to Turkey, hysteria is here, probably after the Anglo-Saxons and Japanese, Turks take an honorable third place in hatred) Or maybe even the second smile
                    1. ultra
                      ultra 30 August 2013 17: 08 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Essenger
                      Or maybe the second

                      Personally, I have the first! But not out of hate (too much honor), hostility, and not unreasonable. I remember the Turks' support for the militants in Chechnya very well! This is not forgotten! I hope we get it!
                      1. Essenger
                        Essenger 30 August 2013 17: 27 New
                        +2
                        Quote: ultra
                        Quote: Essenger
                        Or maybe the second

                        Personally, I have the first! But not out of hate (too much honor), hostility, and not unreasonable. I remember the Turks' support for the militants in Chechnya very well! This is not forgotten! I hope we get it!

                        But you also excelled in the Balkans)
                      2. ultra
                        ultra 30 August 2013 18: 06 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Essenger
                        But you also excelled in the Balkans)

                        More specifically, if you do not mind!
                      3. Essenger
                        Essenger 30 August 2013 18: 15 New
                        +4
                        Quote: ultra
                        Quote: Essenger
                        But you also excelled in the Balkans)

                        More specifically, if you do not mind!

                        The Russian Empire did not stir up separatism in the Balkans?
                      4. ayyildiz
                        ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 48 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Essenger
                        The Russian Empire did not stir up separatism in the Balkans?


                        4 million Muslims alone in the Balkans perished!

                        Yeshe as a kindle!
                      5. ultra
                        ultra 30 August 2013 19: 26 New
                        +2
                        Quote: ayyildiz
                        4 million Muslims killed in the Balkans alone

                        Sooner or later, the occupiers will be paid their due!
                    2. ultra
                      ultra 30 August 2013 19: 24 New
                      +1
                      No! She simply knocked out the Turks from the Balkans! Freed from the Ottoman brothers in faith!
                    3. ayyildiz
                      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 27 New
                      +1
                      According to this, the Turks rule the Balkans again!
                    4. Essenger
                      Essenger 30 August 2013 20: 46 New
                      +2
                      Quote: ultra
                      No! She simply knocked out the Turks from the Balkans! Freed from the Ottoman brothers in faith!


                      Ultra is a matter of double standards.

                      The Turks can say the same thing, that they helped Chechens brothers in faith to liberate the Caucasus from the Russians, etc.
                    5. ultra
                      ultra 30 August 2013 22: 03 New
                      0
                      In the 19th century, there was a war in the Balkans waged by the Ottoman and Russian empires! And as far as I remember, Turkey did not declare war on Russia in order to free its "brothers in faith"! The gut was thin even then, and now even more so!
                    6. Dober
                      Dober 31 August 2013 00: 40 New
                      +2
                      Thank. Misha, "that filled a pause in the interval"! Let me, dear, I myself will tear apart "for history" with our "lost" bros / neighbors ...
                      Those reading these lines, and wishing to express themselves - special thanks! There would be links ....

                      Guys with blue flags "a la squadre-azuro with a white rosette", I ask questions to the "silver" graduate of one of the best universities in the USSR. According to the unspoken opinion of "the whole world community" ...
                    7. bask
                      bask 31 August 2013 00: 45 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Dober

                      Guys with blue flags "a la squadre-azuro with a white rosette", I ask questions to the "silver" graduate of one of the best universities in the USSR. According to the unspoken opinion of "the whole world community" ...

                      Beautiful dober good
                      You and Asgard, on the site, in my opinion are RED-spoken.
                      I think you should write articles ...
                      There was Ascetic, but he was exhausted ...
                    8. Dober
                      Dober 31 August 2013 01: 52 New
                      0
                      My dear Chuvash! How you want with you (and we were just recently “on you”) mugs with Cheboksary beer mugs. For nationalism!
                      "ascetic" - Stanislav did not run out of steam!
                      He was exhaled ....
                      I understand why ....
                      And articles pei.ssat me and laziness and reluctance ...
                      Read the "terms of placement" ...
                  2. ultra
                    ultra 31 August 2013 10: 40 New
                    0
                    Quote: Dober
                    Thank. Misha, "that filled a pause in the interval"!

                    You're welcome! hi
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    4. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 45 New
      +2
      And the support of the Kurds of Russia is like! The USSR wanted to attack Turkey, and for this it was necessary to join NATO! The fact that the Russian Empire provoked all the peoples against the Ottoman Empire is what is it called?
    5. Zhenya
      Zhenya 30 August 2013 18: 56 New
      0
      ayyildizSo what are you doing in Russia then? Maybe it’s time to go home, the front with Armenia is in the same place and give the debt for the country.
    6. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 19 New
      +3
      Once I gave a debt to my country, even gratitude hangs in the wall!

      And living abroad, you can give the debt to your country!

      Quote: Marrying
      So what are you doing in Russia then?


      I pay taxes and give people work! What are you doing for your country?
    7. ultra
      ultra 30 August 2013 19: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Marrying
      So what are you doing in Russia then?

      I can say that, since I have friends among them! They trade in what they have nothing to do with! They also have the audacity to say how shitty it is here and how good it is in “blessed” Azerbaijan!
  9. ultra
    ultra 30 August 2013 19: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: ayyildiz
    ! The USSR wanted to attack Turkey,

    Where did you get this "nonsense"?
  10. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 31 New
    +1
    But what will answer your nonsense! Read above and guess!
  11. Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 August 2013 19: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: ultra
    Where did you get this "nonsense"?

    Ultra are you kidding me ?? I thought you had a wider range of knowledge. So at your leisure, read Stalin’s plans for Turkey and much more. The USSR pushed Turkey into NATO, Turkey didn’t want to be there.
  12. ultra
    ultra 30 August 2013 21: 18 New
    0
    Well, let's start with the fact that Turkey, a few days before the invasion of Germany in the USSR, signed a treaty of friendship and mutual assistance with Germany! Passed German and Italian warships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles! Well, then the plan provided for the return of lands belonging to Armenia and Georgia and lost during the formation Soviet power!
  13. Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 August 2013 22: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: ultra
    Well, let's start with the fact that Turkey, a few days before the invasion of Germany in the USSR, signed a treaty of friendship and mutual assistance with Germany! Passed German and Italian warships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles! Well, then the plan provided for the return of lands belonging to Armenia and Georgia and lost during the formation Soviet power!

    Since this changes your comment that the plan of attack of the USSR is nonsense ?? you yourself just confirmed it.
  14. ultra
    ultra 30 August 2013 22: 23 New
    +1
    You never know what plans have been developed! Barbarossa plan was in action is a fact, the rest is ephemeral!
  15. Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 August 2013 23: 17 New
    0
    Quote: ultra
    You never know what plans have been developed! Barbarossa plan was in action is a fact, the rest is ephemeral!

    Are you not an Armenian by chance ?? You can’t prove anything. You said nonsense, they said there wasn’t such a plan, then you yourself refuted. There was a real plan for implementation that was prevented by Turkey’s entry into NATO. It was a real plan that the Turks were going to realize fussed before.
  16. ultra
    ultra 30 August 2013 23: 28 New
    +1
    Yes, even Chukchi? What does it matter? Ahh, I forgot, for you (Turks), the Armenians are a sore subject! And about the plan, "drop shot", we heard about this and that, and I also served on the border with Turkey, and so according to our plan, during the threatened period, there was a blocking of the rocky road in the adjacent territory, and so what?
  17. Dober
    Dober 31 August 2013 04: 14 New
    0
    Quote: ultra
    what?

    Like the CCM on sambo. I will say. This is a “concrete eversion”. All. Congratulations. Ready to answer documented.
    ? Complicated. Understand. But still....
    Baku Istanbul at your feet ...
    Excuse me, sir, promised a couple of days to plunder.

    With this phrase I’ll take off the “psychological burden” from the “ultra” ...
  18. Dober
    Dober 31 August 2013 04: 02 New
    0
    Quote: Yeraz
    You are not Armenian by chance ?? You can not prove anything.

    I didn’t get it on purpose. Waited for what will end.
    But, "Ali", this is a drain! A drain confirmed not by facts. but in words. There was nothing to answer. Is the drain counted?
    He would not have been, but your "Turkophilia" is rushing from all the cracks. This is also a fact! Very noticeable. The phrase placed in the "quote" confirmation ...

    "Pimple" (and others like him) ............
    They also do it ... In the end they follow: some provocative questions that have nothing to do with the subject, answers to him, often emotional ones.
    Then harsh phrases interpreted by them as "anti-families .....".
    It ends with at least a warning to someone who “dared” to get involved in a census with the Iver.
    Of course, after complaints to administrators. This is done by them always and everywhere. The VO site is no exception.

    You do not become like them ??? No...
    It does you honor hi
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 45 New
    +1
    the Turks absolutely have no Russophobia. Quite the contrary. At least on the site, Turkophobia literally rolls over. And the second is the Turks are "wretched"? Unlike some with the economy, they have everything in order, they are developing seriously, the population is growing.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      Unlike some with the economy, they have everything in order, they are developing seriously, the population is growing


      The Turks are hardworking people who would not say anything!

      Unlike some of us, the seed comes first, children are parents!
      1. ultra
        ultra 30 August 2013 19: 28 New
        0
        Quote: ayyildiz
        Turks are hardworking people who would not say

        In terms of fooling whom they have no equal!
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 30 August 2013 19: 06 New
      0
      Quote: xetai9977
      It’s a utopia, for this to happen, all Turks should consider themselves representatives of a single nation, and their place of residence would be perceived as conditionally Petersburger, Moskvich, etc.
      And Vorkutinets, Magadan, doesn’t suit you?

      Quote: xetai9977
      Turks have absolutely no Russophobia. Just the opposite.

      Thank you so much for this.
      Quote: xetai9977
      . And the second is the Turks are "wretched"? Unlike some with the economy, they have everything in order, they are developing seriously, the population is growing.
      Every summer, at the expense of tourists.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 30 August 2013 20: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: grafrozow
        Every summer, at the expense of tourists.

        Damn here, to each separately describe the structure of the Turkish economy and in particular tourism to describe, so that they no longer sincerely believe that it is not the richest Russian in search of a cheap ticket, feeds almost 80 million Turkey with a strong economy.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 30 August 2013 19: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: ultra
    Rather, the Turks have historical grievances! We are then offended by the "wretched"!

    This is where you are fundamentally mistaken. It’s surprising for Azerbaijanis to observe this, because in the Turkish society there isn’t such a thing, anger towards Russia, Russians are our eternal enemy. They are mostly Israel and the West. Russia is rarely remembered and only within the framework of the Karabakh conflict supposedly Russia is on the side of the Armenians, but the attitude that on this site towards Turkey is just nothing but incomprehensible paranoia.
    1. ultra
      ultra 30 August 2013 21: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Yeraz
      Here you are fundamentally wrong.

      About my attitude to Turkey, I wrote and substantiated my personal one! Regarding the Armenians, I personally have both on the drum! hi
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 30 August 2013 22: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: ultra
        About my attitude to Turkey, I wrote and substantiated my personal one! Regarding the Armenians, I personally have both on the drum!

        How to flip and get away from the answer))))
        It is clear that you wrote about your vision about Turkey purely. I said that you are mistaken in the insult of the Turks towards you, they also have 10 shares of that hatred and paranoia, as in Russia towards them, more precisely in this site))
      2. ultra
        ultra 30 August 2013 23: 25 New
        0
        I expressed my personal attitude, and you speak on behalf of all the Turks. Have you conducted a poll?
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz 31 August 2013 00: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: ultra
        I expressed my personal attitude, and you speak on behalf of all the Turks. Have you conducted a poll?

        We live in the Turkish media space, we communicate with them, our life is closely connected and we don’t see such a thing, unlike the forum users of this site, where Turkophobia rolls over. And in Turkey I talked with people and again there isn’t such a thing.
      4. ultra
        ultra 31 August 2013 10: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Yeraz
        . And in Turkey I talked with the people and again there is no such thing.

        As this does not surprise you, even in my communication (not with the people, I and the people myself) with friends and acquaintances Turkey and Turks are not mentioned at all! They do not interest us, as we do them, and rightly so!
  • Sandov
    Sandov 30 August 2013 16: 55 New
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    They would have seen him attack the Gulenists.


    Something new. Do not know.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 30 August 2013 17: 09 New
      +2
      Quote: Sandov
      Quote: Essenger
      They would have seen him attack the Gulenists.


      Something new. Do not know.


      Especially for you)

      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 30 August 2013 17: 57 New
        -2
        EssengerStop throwing the yellow press already.
        1. Essenger
          Essenger 30 August 2013 18: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Marrying
          EssengerStop throwing the yellow press already.


          The person asked about the source of information, I answered or will you now indicate what should I do?
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 30 August 2013 19: 00 New
            -1
            Essenger
            1. You post extreme things.
            2. You insult me ​​with your avatar.
            Maybe you will be offended at another site?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 30 August 2013 20: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Marrying
              You are insulting me with your avatar.

              And what are WE (and such an avatar not only from the Essenger) insult you with our Avatar ?? What is offensive there? Only the facts. It has become very interesting to me.
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 30 August 2013 20: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: Marrying
              Essenger
              1. You post extreme things.
              2. You insult me ​​with your avatar.
              Maybe you will be offended at another site?


              Where did you see extremism in my links?

              How does my avatar offend you?

              No, I'm not offended. What insults?
            3. xetai9977
              xetai9977 31 August 2013 09: 28 New
              +3
              I am personally proud of my avatar! And somehow I don’t care whether others like him or not.
          2. alone
            alone 30 August 2013 22: 31 New
            +5
            and what do you dislike about my avatar?
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz 30 August 2013 23: 18 New
            +4
            Quote: lonely
            and what do you dislike about my avatar?

            so one after another the question of people with the same avi)))
            but there’s no answer .... maybe I realized that I froze nonsense and ashamed)))))
          4. alone
            alone 30 August 2013 23: 22 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            .moz realized that he froze nonsense and ashamed)))))


            I really hope so.
          5. experienced
            experienced 30 August 2013 23: 26 New
            +1
            Quote: lonely
            I really hope so.

            Not playing too much?
            You're on a Russian site, maybe it's time to come to your senses? am
            Turkey is an enemy of Russia and has always been an enemy that the British poisoned like a mongrel ... We are imperials, you are a fragment of the former empire (because I do not respect it with a small letter)
          6. alone
            alone 30 August 2013 23: 38 New
            +3
            )) Alexei, yes I’m on a Russian site. From your words it turns out that I should not have my opinion? It's absurd, like an adult))
          7. Yeraz
            Yeraz 31 August 2013 00: 40 New
            +1
            Quote: seasoned
            Turkey is an enemy of Russia and has always been an enemy that the British poisoned like a mongrel ... We are imperials, you are a fragment of the former empire (because I do not respect it with a small letter)

            Aleksey, the fact is that Turkey was not the most malicious enemy of Russia, Turkey did not inflict enormous economic and human damage on Russia. But the level of hatred of the Germans is higher than Germany. Secondly, the funny thing is that many consider him an eternal enemy with whom You don’t even have to cooperate. But look at Germany and France they hated each other fiercely and slaughtered each other more than the Turks and Russians, but in the end they are close allies.
            It is incomprehensible that the Turks were the worst enemy, and will remain forever. Yes, damn the Japanese on which the US dropped their nuclear ally. This is the concept of a superpower! Even fierce enemies make allies. And in Russia exactly the opposite, not even the worst make enemies enemies forever. Therefore, the Soviet Union collapsed, but the United States does not exist and dosihpor dominates, because it thinks globally and acts the same.
          8. GDP
            31 August 2013 09: 24 New
            +2
            The enemy, not the enemy? Turkey has been a geopolitical opponent of Russia from time immemorial. We constantly sharpened weapons on each other. We always had a sea of ​​intersecting Interests that have stretched from the time of the Byzantine Empire.
            But now, thank God we have almost nothing to share! Each of us has our advantages, there are national features for which it is worth respecting each other. Turkey is not a brotherly country to us, but it can become at least friendly. If we find and develop common interests ...
        2. Anti
          Anti 31 August 2013 09: 46 New
          -4
          Quote: seasoned
          s on a Russian site, maybe it's time to come to your senses?


          the steppe started stirring again, nomads appeared again am
    2. Zhenya
      Zhenya 31 August 2013 15: 51 New
      -3
      Yeraz I am ashamed? Truth? Is this for the propaganda of the Muslim religion by your avatars? Pictures, leaflets, etc. This visual propaganda. Let me put a swastika and be proud of this avatar here, mm? It will be nice, I think not! Your religion is disgusting to me and I don’t want to see it mentioned anywhere or, especially in my country, on a Russian-language website, you want to PR, you have no place here.
      xetai9977 Be proud on the Azerbaijani site.
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 August 2013 17: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Marrying
      Let me put a swastika and be proud of this avatar here, mm? It will be nice, I think not!

      Personally, I don’t care, the Germans despised the Slavs and were going to slaughter them. And secondly, the user of the Armenian Garik has an Andranik’s avatar, for them he is a hero, for us a murderer, we don’t say anything, this is his choice.
      Quote: Marrying
      Your religion is disgusting to me and I do not want to see its mention anywhere or, especially in my country, on a Russian-language site

      After these words you became disgusting to me. And secondly, if this religion is disgusting to you, separate the Muslim lands from Russia and live on.
      And now about the flag. For such narrow-minded people like YOU, I explain this flag of the Turkic summit.
      Blue color from the flag of Kazakhstan
      Heart from the flag of Kyrgyzstan
      A crescent and a star from the flags of Azerbaijan and Turkey.
      so THAT YOU WILL BE LOOKING FOR THIS FLAG EVERY DAY HIS NECESSARY AND HOPPING FROM YOUR HATE. BECAUSE THESE FLAG IS ALSO FOR SOME, IT JUST DOES NOT.
    4. alone
      alone 31 August 2013 17: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Marrying
      Your religion is disgusting to me and I don’t want to see it mentioned anywhere or, especially in my country, on a Russian-language site,


      I feel sorry for you as a person. If you think that I will answer you the same way you do, then you are mistaken. I will not fall to your level.

      Quote: Marrying
      Is this for the propaganda of the Muslim religion by your avatars?


      this symbol has nothing to do with Islam and religion in general.
      I am amazed at your illiteracy.

      and as to whoever has a place here or not, it's not for you to decide.
      I have the honor
    5. Zhenya
      Zhenya 31 August 2013 19: 34 New
      -1
      Yeraz
      1.Thank you for the explanation about the profile picture, I did not know.
      2. I don’t care what you think about me; I don’t think about you at all.
      3. Do not like something no one holds in Russia.
      4.No need to poke me.
      alone
      1. God be with you, you can not go down, as you put it, I will not lose anything.
      2.And why should I know such things? I am not interested in the Caucasus or peoples who are alien to me, I know where the Slavs live, the Buryats, etc., this is enough for me. Let's talk about History and see what I'm not literate.
      3. It is very unfortunate that I do not, otherwise you simply would not be here. Something is not pleasant, the black list to help you.
    6. Yeraz
      Yeraz 31 August 2013 21: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Marrying
      I do not like something no one holds in Russia.

      I advise you the same fellow
    7. Zhenya
      Zhenya 31 August 2013 22: 50 New
      -1
      Yeraz I don’t need to poke, if this is customary in your villages, then not here.
    8. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 September 2013 12: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Marrying
      Yeraz I don’t need to poke, if this is customary in your villages, then not here.

      I’ll poke you, the site’s rules do not indicate that everyone should contact you. You still need to grow to the level of education and respect that we have in the mountains.
    9. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 12: 21 New
      0
      On Saturday, in a dormitory of SSU (Stavropol), I was really stunned to see how some young mountaineers were brought up for Hello, a person suitable for their fathers, with no gray head, not a single hare neither lifts nor ass, but accepted defiant poses, lounging in armchairs whether you see TV watched a football match.
      So it’s not worth it to glorify in fact, a certain part of the rude, impudent, without the rules of decency and behavior of young mountaineers, as well as not to be rude, they say in the rules it is not indicated, the sheep’s friend is not nice to you, no one’s grazing, keep yourself in framework.
      It would be better if I really attended to the upbringing of my fellow mountaineers in terms of fulfilling elementary norms of behavior in another place of residence.
    10. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 September 2013 12: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      On Saturday, in a dormitory of SSU (Stavropol), I was really stunned to see how some young mountaineers were brought up for Hello, a person suitable for their fathers, with no gray head, not a single hare neither lifts nor ass, but accepted defiant poses, lounging in armchairs whether you see TV watched a football match.

      you just don’t know the prehistory of my conflict with this individual, you see Islam is disgusting to him, because after that he is a thousand times more disgusting to me.
      Regarding the old man. The Caucasus is different. Chechens do not tolerate Russians and they don’t respect any Russian old men and grandmother. Then there are other representatives as well. Then there is another aspect, people who grew up in Russia, they see people everywhere disrespecting each other and old people in particular, but being in their own family and in their historical homeland is on the contrary full respect. And they get the behavior that is accepted in Russia in Russia, and the bulk behave in this way, and even, as is customary there, the moment is reflex.
      Personally, I always got up as a Russian elder, although I observed something completely different from childhood, without a beard I do not look like a Russian, but like a beard. So, a couple of times when I got up, some did not sit down demonstratively, and some with discontent. Then the company started don’t go to the Alien Monastery with your charter. And after that if there is at least 1 Russian young guy in the car, I don’t get up to the old people, when some reproached me, I just said here is a representative of educated Russian youth, I’m a wild Caucasian, I’m taking an example from him and I don’t climb with my charter. But if there are no young people in the car, I get up. In Baku, I took one out of the car when he did not give way to a girl. In Baku, it’s just a rarity not to give way, there grandfathers stand up for young girls.
    11. vladkavkaz
      vladkavkaz 1 September 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Yeraz
      I don’t know why your opponent is treating Islam as such badly, I don’t care that it is any other religion, it’s not about Islam as such, but about a bunch of idiots who interpret it (and not only it, but also quasi-Orthodox ) how horrible and why horrible, all these Wahhabis and other, illiterate balabol (in all religions), imagining themselves newly-born teachers.
      The mentality is different? Yes, different, the charter of another monastery, and the charter, behave as it should.
      Unfortunately, over the time that has passed since 90, a generation has grown up not brought up and run wild, among all the reasons, to a large extent due to the departure of the state from any ideology in general, and then to the upbringing of its citizens in any form.
      Instead, we have ersatz behavior, for everyone. (It’s enough to watch TV, all sorts of HOUSE 2 and other nonsense)
      And notice this state is artificially maintained, which is easier than to rule people who see enemies in everyone who is at least somehow different from yourself?
      The Machiavelli principle - divide and conquer, has not been canceled.
      In the North Caucasus, in general, such artificial support, on the one hand, the ban on the Russians to put in place the overthrown, and on the other hand the ill-mannered carriage, will lead to negative results.
      And who benefits from this?
    12. Yeraz
      Yeraz 1 September 2013 14: 45 New
      +3
      there are normal guys whom I know they are proud that they are Orthodox and Russian and behave with dignity, for them a girl in a miniskirt and or leggings is not an acceptable thing at all, and they call such one notorious word. BUT such units !!! the rest or ala west or short-sighted mentally retarded.
      He hates Islam, but knows nothing about Islam, plus in a country where there are a considerable number of indigenous Muslims. These are small-minded and ruining Russia. Because they see the effect, and not the cause, harming the whole country.

      Quote: vladkavkaz
      In the North Caucasus, generally such artificial maintenance

      I agree.
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      on the one hand, the Russian ban on putting in place the overgrown

      No, the Russians themselves do not react. And, like, article 282 and all that nonsense, a simple excuse. If a Russian comes to Baku and sticks with a young Azerbaijani couple, the guy will kill him and go to jail for the murder !!! But he will not allow him to be denigrated .And then 1 out of 10 will kill, 5 will get into a fight, and the rest will remain silent and their women will sort out how many there have seen. And to say that passers-by will help here in general 1 out of 1000 will come up and help the girl. somewhere criminal punishment, where cowardice. And we are not afraid of criminal punishment, because when such insults in the head 1 thought to punish the insolent.
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      on the other hand, caring for bad manners will lead to negative results.

      Yes, not corruption, but corruption. Well, a rich Russian will bring down a poor Caucasian in a car or shoot him, you think he will not escape punishment, because there are grandmothers !! and if a poor Caucasian will kill a Russian avoid? No, because there is no money.
      The only difference is that a Caucasian can escape to the mountains and hide there.
      Quote: vladkavkaz
      And who benefits from this?

      It is beneficial to the enemies, but some cheers nationalists and pseudo-patriots are doing everything possible so that the collapse of the USSR was part of. Well, the flag in their hands.
  • alone
    alone 1 September 2013 14: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Marrying
    Yes, God bless you, you can not go down, as you put it, I will not lose anything.

    1. Correct. I can’t lower you.
    2. You have already shown your knowledge.
    3. It will be great honor for you if I include you in the black list.
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 30 August 2013 18: 26 New
    0
    Quote: Essenger
    Especially for you)

    How I would like to ask him:
    Do you love Russia?
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 30 August 2013 20: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: ctepx
      Quote: Essenger
      Especially for you)

      How I would like to ask him:
      Do you love Russia?


      I love Kazakhstan.
  • alone
    alone 30 August 2013 18: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Dober
    , and they have a different dialect.

    they have their own language, not a dialect.
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 39 New
    +5
    That's right essenger. There is a proverb - a person is as tall as he knows languages. Maybe I translated it not very high quality, but I hope the meaning is clear
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 36 New
    +4
    In fact, an educated person should read a lot, and especially the press of that country, with which he does not agree with politics. Do not be like an ostrich.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 30 August 2013 19: 10 New
      -3
      Quote: xetai9977
      In fact, an educated person should read a lot, and especially the press of that country, with which he does not agree with politics. Do not be like an ostrich.
      If the ostrich hid his head in the sand, this does not mean that he was scared, he just shows you his zh ...
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 31 August 2013 09: 38 New
        +3
        And this is bad! can always be seen from the back
  • xetai9977
    xetai9977 30 August 2013 17: 29 New
    +3
    Sometimes it seems that we are not on a site that claims to be "serious", but in a kindergarten. A person, in this case, an ESSENGER, expresses his opinion, invites to a dialogue, and immediately minuses him. What should he assent to? What do not like, write, they say, we think differently for such reasons. What kind of manner is this? Do you think minus change his mind? This will only lead to the fact that the carriers of other opinions simply leave the site, and the rest will assent to each other. Hand on heart, EVERY user has learned something, discovered for themselves from the opinions of other users. And then it turns out the person will express his opinion, and in response they sometimes insult him.
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 30 August 2013 17: 50 New
      +4
      Quote: xetai9977
      The person, in this case, the ESSENGER, expresses his opinion, invites to a dialogue, and he is immediately minus.


      Quote: xetai9977
      and in response they sometimes insult him


      Hello Rauf,
      I’m already used to it))) For all the time I was on this site I managed to go pass-by, chur-koi, ba-wound, etc. And a certain user of Misantrop managed to call me a frog, because I wrote that in Holland the living conditions are better than in France. You see, it’s humid in Holland, and frogs prefer humidity)))
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      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 18: 30 New
        +4
        It’s not necessary to go far. I now see before me the cons for that
        “dared” to say that democracy is more developed in Turkey than in the CIS. Those who have been to Turkey know that this is true.
        1. ultra
          ultra 30 August 2013 21: 34 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          that democracy is more developed in Turkey than in the CIS.

          CIS is not one country!
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 31 August 2013 09: 45 New
            +4
            Oh really??? It turns out I did not know that !!! Tell me at least one CIS country where the elections are not "adjusted"
    2. alone
      alone 30 August 2013 18: 06 New
      +6
      Ah, Rauf! you know over the past three how many people have proposed shandarahnut on washington because amers want to hit Syria))) fool the funny thing is that these people are sure that after that they will survive)))
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 18: 37 New
        +5
        It seems to be adults, and sometimes you read such nonsense that you are amazed. Comments like "Let's Drive NATO", "Poverty America", etc. What do they really think that the USA will win? Or do Americans have nothing to eat? One cannot be so naive to say the least.
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 30 August 2013 19: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          It seems to be adults, and sometimes you read such nonsense that you are amazed. Comments like "Let's Drive NATO", "Poverty America", etc. What do they really think that the USA will win? Or do Americans have nothing to eat? One cannot be so naive to say the least.

          I agree with you.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 30 August 2013 19: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: lonely
        the funny thing is that these people are sure that after that they will survive)))
        Omar, this is not funny, this is sad. hi
        1. alone
          alone 30 August 2013 22: 36 New
          +6
          yes, the count is sad !! and when you start these people to explain what will happen to the whole world, they begin to call you a coward and defeatist)))
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 18: 55 New
      +3
      Quote: xetai9977
      Sometimes it seems that we are not on a site that claims to be “serious”, but in a kindergarten

      Nobody owes love to anyone, but he must respect everyone!
      1. ultra
        ultra 30 August 2013 21: 39 New
        0
        Quote: ayyildiz
        but he must respect everyone!

        You explain this to your fellow tribesmen living in Russia! And yet- "With their charter, they don’t go to someone else’s monastery" (proverb)!
    4. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 30 August 2013 19: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: xetai9977
      Sometimes it seems that we are not on a site that claims to be "serious", but in a kindergarten. A person, in this case, an ESSENGER, expresses his opinion, invites to a dialogue, and immediately minuses him. What should he assent to? What do not like, write, they say, we think differently for such reasons. What kind of manner is this? Do you think minus change his mind? This will only lead to the fact that the carriers of other opinions simply leave the site, and the rest will assent to each other. Hand on heart, EVERY user has learned something, discovered for themselves from the opinions of other users. And then it turns out the person will express his opinion, and in response they sometimes insult him.

      That's right !!!!!! You are fat +++++++++++++++++
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 31 August 2013 09: 51 New
        +4
        And you ++ Ibrahim, for sanity!
    5. grafrozow
      grafrozow 30 August 2013 19: 17 New
      -2
      Quote: xetai9977
      Sometimes it seems that we are not on a site that claims to be "serious", but in a kindergarten. A person, in this case, an ESSENGER, expresses his opinion, invites to a dialogue, and immediately minuses him.
      About the sun-sorrow came to our village !!! I put a minus for you, put a minus to me, do they affect your salary?
  • shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 August 2013 13: 01 New
    +3
    Article +.
    So, as we see, God himself, but rather the Devil ordered to kindle a war in Syria and in the Middle East. Not because someone just wanted to, but because it is profitable and, moreover, necessary.
    Once again I am convinced that in the ShA and England in the leadership are Satanists.
    Here, it was written, almost 2000 years ago, one has to be surprised, but everything fits together ...

    Matt. 4: 8
    8. Again the devil takes him to a very high mountain and shows him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory,
    9. and says unto him, All this I will give unto thee, if, having fallen, you worship me.
    10. Then Jesus says to him: Depart from me, Satan, for it is written: Worship the Lord your God and serve Him alone.
    11. Then the devil leaves him, and behold, the angels came and served him.
    1. Dober
      Dober 30 August 2013 13: 41 New
      +3
      Hello Roma!
      Quote: shpuntik
      Once again I am convinced that in the ShA and England in the leadership are Satanists.

      You have to believe. And then something I lingered before what hi
      And in the picture with Jesus like a fallen angel. Too demon too "handsome." But to Matthew 4: 8 fits ...
      And since the "militant direction of Orthodoxy" is closer to me, this picture is more understandable -
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 30 August 2013 17: 13 New
        +1
        Dober (2) RU Today, 13:41 ↑
        Hello Roma!
        You have to believe. And then something I lingered before.

        Great Vadim!
        Something did not understand, to whom do you?
        And in the picture with Jesus like a fallen angel. Too demon too "handsome." But it comes to Matthew 4: 8 ...

        So it is, this is the main thing for them.
        And since the "militant direction of Orthodoxy" is closer to me, this picture is more understandable -

        I hesitate, tend to buy a 12 gauge. For a militant direction, lists of enemies of the state are needed. In my opinion no one makes them.
        How is Komsomolsk not heard, flooded?
        1. Dober
          Dober 30 August 2013 23: 52 New
          +1
          [quote = shpuntik] Something did not understand, who do you want? [/ quote]
          Roma, accepted! Take for granted my semi-Jewish origin. Accept with an apology.
          Comrades only on "you" !!!
          [quote = shpuntik] I hesitate, tend to buy a 12 gauge. For a militant direction, lists of enemies of the state are needed. In my opinion nobody makes them. [/ Quote]
          Ha .... Who will give them. Only composed, under appropriate conditions. And this will happen .... Orgasm-like squeals and the last sloppiness of the "local" JEWS confirmation of this (they’ll fly right now, and I will get one more from Vadim Smirnov
          firing) ...

          And coolies there "hesitate", Rum!
          Take the barrel and train. Take Ukrainian injury, you can "Fort 12" or "9"
          It is relatively cheap and reliable.
          There are "training cartridges" for close combat. From 2 meters tumble down one and a half stuffed with sand.

          You can’t explain about the "put on the cheek".
          I am aware of the Uepikof attacks on this postulate.
          Simply put - hear everything - "I will substitute my brother on my cheek (or one-man)"
          The other will look for her in the nearest sandbox ...
          [/ Quote]
          I hesitate, tend to buy a 12 gauge. For a militant direction, lists of enemies of the state are needed. In my opinion no one makes them.
          How is Komsomolsk not heard, flooded? [/ I] [/ quote]
          If about the boat, then flooded. And also how it "flooded" .... Eternal memory to the one who flooded ...
          The "work" is scary, but necessary ...
          Hats off ....
          And if about the city, then I don’t know. There Mr. Putin is in my place ... good
  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 30 August 2013 13: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Essenger
    The IRGC troops are leaving Syria and Russia is curtailing its naval facility in Syria. What is this talking about?

    Nobody folds anything. Tartus remains under the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation.
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 30 August 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    USA ONCE AGAIN GOT WHAT SHOULD BE RECEIVED. EVEN HIS TRUE CEMERON DOG WITH ITS "humanitarian intervention" GOT DIRECTION FROM ITS PARLIAMENT FROM THE GATE.

    The observer of PravdaVglaza.ru Murat Namazov.
    Vsevolod Lvov: So we waited for what seemed to be, as it could not be. Medvedev “leaked” Libya, it seemed that Putin would also “merge” Syria, and that is why it would be necessary to buy food and other necessary things. However, Putin yesterday, apparently convinced Merkel that it was worth abandoning the military operation, that there was no need to go on a leash from the world aggressor. But perhaps the most shocking option is the UK. I watched the meeting of the House of Lords live on air yesterday, I was surprised how they literally “ate” Cameron, who behaved with them like a sheep in front of a wolf. Tell our readers how the decision was made?

    Murat Namazov: During the meeting, Cameron was asked dozens of uncomfortable questions. The Lords wondered why it was possible for the militants to slaughter hundreds of Kurds, and government forces should not use gas against these nonhumans. Cameron really looked like a boy who makes excuses for his pranks. Indeed, earlier, he and his cabinet publicly announced that he would destroy Bashar al-Assad, and then he, like a market click, was shown in his place and ordered to be silent. 285 Lords said no to the operation.

    BUT IN LIFE EVERYTHING CAN BE. A WOUNDED BEAST IS ALWAYS DANGEROUS. The Americans are nervous and swear at Russia.
    The wounded beast, as a rule, is the most vicious, and the dying empire has no doubts about the destruction of the world in which it is not able to dominate. "
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 30 August 2013 19: 25 New
      0
      Quote: AleksUkr
      The observer of PravdaVglaza.ru Murat Namazov.
      You can not read further.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 30 August 2013 14: 05 New
    +6
    Destroy or discredit the maximum number of countries with a successful economy based on a socialist management model, where at least even formally the resources and factories do not belong to a narrow elite group, but to the state and, as a result, to the people as a whole.

    They have done their work with us and quite successfully. Thank God it’s not until the end. Gidomassons are building a world cashier, subordinate to them. But God sees that nothing will come of it in the end, but for now everything is going according to the evil plan of the devil.
  • maestro123
    maestro123 30 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    Once again, the conclusion suggests itself: Russia should not fight in an open conflict, but it is necessary to confront the forces of the coalition and defend Syria with all available means.
  • Micex
    Micex 30 August 2013 14: 58 New
    0
    I do not agree with only one point, namely, the pipeline to the Mediterranean Sea. With him, everything is not so.
    1) What for it is needed there, passing through Syria, if it is easier to pull it into Israel through Jordan. There are nuances - if it ends in Israel, there are Palestinian groups nearby that will blow it up. Similarly, if he finds himself in Syria, he will be at the side of the hezbollah, which will also blow him up.
    2) It’s more profitable to drag the pipeline to Turkey, and its role here becomes clear (I have long since given up on Nabucco, in the first place, Azerbaijan) again, the pipe will go side by side with the Kurds (blow up) and in the zone of destruction of Iranian missiles (bomb ) Therefore, in all cases - it is needed, it is very necessary for an attack on Iran, but there is no sense in building it there - they will explode. It’s pointless to stand a pipe in a war zone.
    1. GDP
      30 August 2013 15: 21 New
      +5
      1. There is already a pipeline through Turkey, and they’re not the only one who go roundabouts along mountainous terrain through territories inhabited mainly by Kurds
      2. It’s inconvenient to drive the pipeline through Israel far from the largest branches; moreover, the pipeline to Israel can be carried out only through the deserts of Jordan. Both of them hate each other and in fact their enemy will keep a hand on the crane with oil flowing to Israel.
      3. Syria would be an ideal option (the shortest distance to the largest oil pipelines, the absence of conflicts between transit countries). A stable situation in the region - WAS ... Assad would leave peacefully it would be very convenient ... Now it is not known when the situation there normalizes under any scenario.

      So I agree with you wherever you can throw a wedge everywhere and then this Iran, which is quite capable of blocking the strait ...

      BUT - if you crush all supporters of Assad, seize a controlled government, crush pockets of resistance with your hard hand, then over time, why not?
      1. Micex
        Micex 30 August 2013 16: 46 New
        0
        Well, after all, this will be a temporary phenomenon. The pipeline will work for 3, 5, 10 years - it will burn again, and burn it with fire. Such projects are long-term ones. You don’t need to go far for an example - Ukraine has brought so many problems of the Russian Federation with gas. But who would have thought - the country is "friendly"
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 30 August 2013 15: 35 New
    +2
    Syria - as part of a big game ...

    I have one association arose.

    What places are the most burning now?

    Syria, Egypt and ... Israel!

    What places? Biblical! Places where Jesus Christ walked.

    Maybe all for good reason? Maybe all these Middle Eastern games are a hidden blow to Christianity?
    1. GDP
      30 August 2013 15: 45 New
      +1
      If we talk about the movement to the west (including Europe) of radical Islam, then yes - it’s a blow to Christianity or, more correctly, to say the society that professes it. But this is also a blow to the image of Islam, which, having such hot and unsightly preachers as Alkaida, greatly loses the number of its potential supporters ... If Islam looked like a more peaceful religion, its spread was much faster ... In addition, in my opinion, this would contribute to more dynamic economic growth and the influence of all of central and front Asia.
    2. Micex
      Micex 30 August 2013 16: 54 New
      +2
      Forced to disagree - do not care for everyone where Jesus went. traffic flows, oil and headstock - this is the primary goal. and in Islam there is the prophet Isa, and the coming of Isa is also awaited by Muslims.
      1. GDP
        30 August 2013 20: 36 New
        +3
        Islam, in essence, is also Christianity, but reworked into a new, more modern and more relevant for the peoples of Asia, enriched by the teachings of the new prophet. And so almost the same thing we have Adam and Eve, they have Adam and Hawa, they have Issa, we have Jesus ... The differences are not very significant ...
        1. alone
          alone 30 August 2013 22: 42 New
          +3
          when the first Muslims met the glorious king of Ethiopia, who gave refuge because of the oppression, the king, hearing from them about Islam, said: "between us and you, the difference is exactly the same as the difference from two rays of light from the sun.
  • tlauicol
    tlauicol 30 August 2013 15: 56 New
    +2
    Turkey at first glance and the truth is this war is unprofitable. Perhaps in Washington they were promised the territory in the north of Syria or a percentage of the ownership of the pipeline. And most importantly, the Turks need to calm down the Assad regime and destroy with the help of NATO the Syrian army, which sleeps and sees how to return the provinces occupied by the Turks and destroy the dam in the upper Euphrates (the Turks restrict the flow of water to Syria, it hurts industry and rural wu)
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 30 August 2013 16: 06 New
    +1
    If oil prices go down and Russia has to change flows to China, then the United States and Europe will suffer the most because China will soar to such an economic level that no one will catch them. I think that prices will not fall for oil, but a reduction in supplies may be, of course, if they persuade Syria, which I think is no longer realistic.
    1. Micex
      Micex 30 August 2013 16: 50 New
      +2
      Rosneft entered into an unprecedented contract with China, leaving the sale price a secret. China is building a policy of extreme diversification of supplies, in other words - 20% - from the Middle East, 20 - Indonesia, 20 - Russia and so on. But you are certainly right - the high price of oil hits China, and that is why it is held high. China is vitally interested in the stability of BV.
      However, China, at the moment, is not a fundamental problem for the West, otherwise all the factory from China would have immigrated somewhere to Africa long ago
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 30 August 2013 17: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Micex
        However, China, at the moment, is not a fundamental problem for the West, otherwise all the factory from China would have immigrated somewhere to Africa long ago
        For the West and the USA, China has long been a headache, but I agree with you, at this stage they are not the main suppliers of smut. Now Russia is the main problem for them and Putin’s intention to revive the USSR in a new format. The G7 + 1 summit was the starting point in the second Cold War. Syria is a test for who has the eggs stronger. Oil is not the main goal of this whole mess, they solve several problems at once.
  • Owl
    Owl 30 August 2013 16: 57 New
    +2
    Thanks to the Author, everything is in its place, dry and accessible.
  • dojjdik
    dojjdik 30 August 2013 17: 17 New
    0
    So after all, the Turks have long been NATO members; if the refusal is thrown out of the block; this is unacceptable for Erdogan - the loot loses unprecedentedly; besides this, Turkey is now an outpost for promoting NATO in Azerbaijan; it is true that Jews need Azerbaijan mainly for a war with Iran; after the execution of Ayatollah and the denationalization of oil and gas resources of Iran, they will not need Azerbaijanis
    1. alone
      alone 30 August 2013 17: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: dojjdik
      So after all, the Turks have long been NATO members; if the refusal is thrown out of the block;


      Do you think NATO will do this?)))
      Quote: dojjdik
      besides this, Turkey is now an outpost for promoting NATO in Azerbaijan;

      we ourselves do not want to in NATO. we are in the non-aligned movement. this is out of the question.

      Quote: dojjdik
      it is true that Jews need Azerbaijan mainly for a war with Iran; after the execution of Ayatollah and the denationalization of oil and gas resources of Iran, they will not need Azerbaijanis

      We have said here more than once that Azerbaijan will not allow the use of its territory against Iran. 30% of the population of Iran are ethnic Azerbaijanis. would you yourself allow someone to bomb through Russia some country where 30 million Russians live?
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 30 August 2013 18: 07 New
        +4
        Turkey will not be thrown out of NATO for the simple reason that they need an outpost exactly where they need it. And secondly, they are now the most combat-ready after the Americans joined NATO. As for Azerbaijan’s entry into NATO, how much has already been said about this .... The country and the population have no desire to enter into any blocs against someone.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          . The country and the population have no desire to enter into any blocs against someone.


          And I dream that Azerbaijan and Turkey create a military bloc, with the attraction of other Turkic countries to the awakening!
          1. ultra
            ultra 30 August 2013 22: 14 New
            -3
            Quote: ayyildiz
            And I dream that Azerbaijan and Turkey create a military bloc

            And against whom is the bloc, if not a secret? Ahhh, I guessed, against North Korea, of course!
            1. ayyildiz
              ayyildiz 30 August 2013 22: 24 New
              +4
              And against whom you want to create a bloc with the Slavs? We are to protect each other!
              1. ultra
                ultra 30 August 2013 22: 31 New
                0
                Quote: ayyildiz
                And against whom you want to create a block with the Slavs?

                Do we create a block?
        2. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 30 August 2013 19: 23 New
          +2
          Quote: xetai9977
          So after all, the Turks have long been NATO members; if the refusal is thrown out of the block;

          Do not throw out.
          Quote: xetai9977
          Turkey will not be thrown out of NATO for the simple reason that they need an outpost exactly where they need it. And secondly, they are now the most combat-ready after the Americans joined NATO. As for Azerbaijan’s entry into NATO, how much has already been said about this .... The country and the population have no desire to enter into any blocs against someone.

          To throw Turkey out of NATO, they will never do this, if only because the Turks have a large army of 400 people, 000 tanks, 2200 infantry fighting vehicles, 760 armored personnel carriers of 3680 various artillery. Well, these are approximate data, so do not judge strictly.
        3. ultra
          ultra 30 August 2013 22: 11 New
          0
          Quote: xetai9977
          And secondly, they are now the most combat-ready after the Americans joined NATO.

          And where and when was it checked?
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 30 August 2013 20: 08 New
        +3
        Quote: lonely
        would you yourself allow someone to bomb through Russia some country where 30 million Russians live?

        Well, how can I say ... Gas is sold more expensively in the old days, where a very large number of Russians, if I’m not mistaken, are more expensive than the Germans)) There is a saying Russian to the Russian enemy ...
        1. GDP
          31 August 2013 10: 34 New
          0
          Where are the facts? I will never believe that the Germans pay less for gas than the Ukrainians ...
          found something ...
          Gas Prices:
          Ukraine - 234, before 179, though Ukrainians consumers still received it at 320 dollars per thousand cubic meters, but this is the troubles of their government ...
          Belarus - 107 dollars to population and 274 industry
          Germany 379
          UK - 313
          Poland 525
          Russia (to the population of 136-211 depending on the region)
          These are approximately the prices found on the Internet
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 31 August 2013 11: 54 New
            +1
            You have old numbers, Germany buys cheaper than Ukraine!
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 31 August 2013 13: 18 New
            +1
            Quote: GDP
            Where are the facts? I will never believe that the Germans pay less for gas than the Ukrainians ...
            found something ...

            With pleasure!!!
            First, a recent interview with the president of Ukraine. That is, the statement of the head of state on the price of gas to his country, Russia did not refute this, therefore, the president of Ukraine did not lie.

            Ukraine cannot accept the conditions offered by Russia at the "gas" negotiations, the president emphasized. "We will never go for it. We can’t trade the country. This is our principle. But what can we do? This gas is extremely expensive for us. It’s almost 150 dollars more expensive than any country in Europe," Yanukovych added

            But the link itself is a bunch of them on the Internet.http: //www.itar-tass.com/c1/858497.html
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz 31 August 2013 13: 20 New
            +1
            And here's another !!

            In 2012, according to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, 32,87 billion cubic meters of gas worth $ 14 billion were purchased in Russia, the average gas price was about $ 426 per thousand cubic meters. The price of Russian gas for Ukraine in the first quarter of 2013 amounted to $ 406 per 1 cubic meters, in the second - $ 426, in the third it is forecasted to be around $ 400.

    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 19: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: dojjdik
      this is unacceptable for Erdogan - the loot loses unprecedentedly;


      What loot? Nato Turkey never gave money?

      It’s more profitable for NATO to be in a bloc! NATO itself will not let Turkey go!
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 30 August 2013 18: 38 New
    0
    For a complete picture, it was nevertheless necessary to watch Sergey Lavrov's press conferences and an interview with the President of the Middle East Institute, Evgeny Satanovsky, on Russia’s 24 television channel. Perhaps some of the author's calculations sounded differently.
    Here is what actually came from the lips of Lavrov and Satanovsky.

    1. Russia will not fight with anyone or for someone. Russia has no interests in Syria, for which it should fight.
    2. Russia does not have and did not have a military base in Syria. Two floating berths, a hectare of land and two barracks cannot be called a base - this is the point of entry for ships. There will be no point in Syria, our ships will go to Cyprus, there is such an agreement.
    1. kartalovkolya
      kartalovkolya 31 August 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      You’re not correcting something, my friend: since when did Satanovsky execute the policy of Russia he only assumes, and Sergey Lavrov is a high-level diplomat and to judge what he said is not entirely correct, it’s more accurate to judge what he didn’t say. Well, why so derogatory about Tartus and our BMTO. If it were not for the eloquent silence of the GDP it is not known how events around Syria would have developed! His silence sobered Europe more than the cries of the "peacekeepers." If Syria were weak, as some well-wishers would like, they would have been shrouded for a long time!
  • GDP
    30 August 2013 20: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    xetai9977alone Turkey is geopolitically an adversary of Russia.
    As we will never fight with Serbia or Belarus, so we will never be friends with Turkey, NEVER, tak-like for the 1000-e neighborhood, allies have never been always been opponents, ALWAYS.

    This is not entirely true, in 1831, the Russians actually saved Turkey from the invasion of the troops of the Egyptian Vali son Ibrahim Pasha. The Russian squadron and the 10,000th landing squad actually saved Istanbul, whose army was actually defeated by the Egyptian Pasha.
    True, Soon, the same Turks themselves joined the battle against Russia on the side of England, France and the Sardinian kingdom in the Crimean War ... And our allies - Prussia and Austria betrayed us.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 30 August 2013 20: 27 New
      +1
      Turkey also did not help Napoleon 1812 g!
      1. GDP
        30 August 2013 20: 57 New
        +3
        I think in relation to those countries with which we had difficult relations, they need to be rebuilt, without looking at old grievances, if this state is ready to meet us. It’s impossible to forget about the exploits of our ancestors, but it’s also not worth dyeing everything in black and white; it will not bring any benefit to our state. I hope that in relations with Turkey all the best is yet to come ... Let's see :))
        Of the pluses in relations with Turkey, there is one more - they did not enter World War II on the side of Hitler (though the troops on the border still had to be kept not small ...
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 30 August 2013 21: 02 New
          +4
          We must go to meet each other! In this post I completely agree with you! hi
        2. alone
          alone 30 August 2013 22: 46 New
          +5
          if someone wants to cooperate with a particular state, relations should start from scratch. reciprocal reproaches can be more likely to get an enemy than a friend
  • albanech
    albanech 2 September 2013 15: 45 New
    0
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: seasoned
    Everything is laid out on shelves, thanks to the author


    Sin does not agree. The article is great. The author chewed everything in detail.



    I agree! Thanks to the author!