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Baumanka received a contract from the Ministry of Defense to develop a combat vehicle for the Navy

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Research and Production Center for Special Engineering MGTU them. N.E. Baumana won the competition of the Russian Defense Ministry to carry out research work on the creation of a combat vehicle for naval infantry units, said Sergey Popov, the chief designer of the SPC SM, at the MAKS-2013 air show.


“In the twentieth of July an envelope was opened with applications from participants in the competition, they were processed a week, and in mid-August the Ministry of Defense signed a contract with our center,” explained Popov.

According to him, “the timing of the research work is very tight - by the end of the year it should be completed with the development of tactical and technical tasks for development work.” The chief designer hopes that “the development of the R & D will also be entrusted to Baumanka,” ITAR-TASS reports. .

“We have a very serious task ahead of us,” noted Popov. - The big problem is that the Russian sailors never had a combat vehicle, and therefore there is no clear understanding of what it should be. And making an analogue on the basis of the land variant is hopeless ”.

In particular, he cited the example of a specialist, “at the BMP, after half an hour of stay in the sea water, all electrical equipment completely fails, aluminum corrodes, and its coating by the type of ship does not save, because it is damaged when working on the ground”.

Ensuring high speed (40 km / h) on water and increased BMP seafacing required by the new over-the-horizon concept is also a big problem.

It provides for unloading the assault force from the transports far from the coast, beyond the horizon line - the ships have less risk of coming under fire of the enemy’s coastal defenses, and the assault is provided with greater secrecy. power BMMP. "In fact, it should be a speedboat on the water and an armored personnel carrier on the ground, capable of overcoming the surf wave up to one and a half meters high," the expert explained.

Another problem is that BMMP should disembark from docking ships that are not in service with the Russian Navy. “Whether it is necessary to adapt the product under development to the Mistral being built is not yet clear,” the chief designer complained.

There are some developments in the SPC SM and certain solutions in this area, “however, we need to know what the sailors want,” he stressed.

“In September, a pool of all interested parties meets, and we are starting work,” Popov informed. “We will attract NIItransmash to it - without serious institutions, such a complex task cannot be solved.”
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  1. DMB 1995
    DMB 1995 29 August 2013 09: 45
    10
    Will scientists and the direct customer decide? But what about "effective managers"? Where are they sick?
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 August 2013 10: 09
      +4
      Quote: DMB 1995
      But what about "effective managers"? Where are they sick?

      I would like it to be as it should be - according to the law, first a court, and then a prison, only real, and not "home", so for ten years
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 29 August 2013 10: 25
        +1
        It is done just under the Mistral and then in the future.

        According to the High Command, new vehicles with high buoyancy will be needed not only in the next few years for the Mistrals, but also in the future.

        the vehicle should be highly buoyant, accommodate at least 15 soldiers with standard weapons and equipment, have mortars, automatic grenade launchers, portable anti-aircraft missile systems and large-caliber machine guns. In addition, the new vehicle should be larger than the BMP-2, BMP-3 and BTR-80 already in service. The mass of the new BMP for the Mistrals should be about 30 tons. In addition, a complex of passive protection and active protection of the "Arena" type should be installed on the armored car. The power plant for the BMP must be at least 400 hp, and it must be installed either a gas turbine engine with an electric transmission, or a 750 hp engine. from promising armored vehicles "Kurganets-25" or BMP-3F.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 29 August 2013 10: 29
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          and active protection of the "Arena" type

          For BMP, a moot point is enough.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 29 August 2013 10: 35
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Controversial moment is enough for BMP


            I do not argue, it is written so.
    2. avt
      avt 29 August 2013 10: 37
      +4
      Quote: DMB 1995
      Will scientists and the direct customer decide

      request Well, the third time I write - do not flatter yourself. MVTU is an educational institution, and it does not have a very close relationship with real design and production, especially remember the Dozor joint with KAMAZ. It’s good that students and teachers are engaged in scientific and practical work at the department, but it’s stupid to expect from this super breakthrough, well, not there, and there can’t be a full-fledged design bureau, and even with a production and factory base. . Another cause of serious concern is that under this tag KAMAZ simply wants to squeeze an order for technology, and this is an ostentatious response to the demand of iPhone and Livanov to drive science and technology to universities.
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 29 August 2013 10: 41
        0
        and where to screw the oars?
      2. Generalissimus
        Generalissimus 29 August 2013 11: 02
        +7
        You are very deeply mistaken, fortunately smile
        As a graduate of Baumanka, M1 of the Faculty of Special Engineering (now probably already different), I assure you - Baumanka is not only engaged in teaching students.
        The structure of Baumanka includes NPCs and laboratories engaged in very interesting, useful, closed activities, far from the educational process wink
        Many types of weapons and, in general, various military and space products were received and are getting their way to life precisely within the walls of this illustrious institution.
        1. avt
          avt 29 August 2013 14: 22
          +1
          Quote: Generalissimus
          As a graduate of Baumanka, M1, Faculty of Special Engineering (now probably already different)

          Well, yes, probably near Dmitrov on the channel and the aircraft did? Well, where was the model of the lunar landing module?
          Quote: Generalissimus
          The structure of Baumanka includes NPCs and laboratories engaged in very interesting, useful, closed activities, far from the educational process

          Again, I do not argue, but the fact that the former K2 and K3 are really tucked into the belt by specialized design bureaus is from the realm of fantasy.Let's without fanaticism, the School was not created for that and it really cannot create, run a sample and put it into a series at the plant. Its main and main task has always been the training of specialists from the Russian engineering school, capable of solving any problems and often not according to the profile of training, as evidenced by the gallery of portraits in the right wing of the Red Square. Well, and if along the way, and they are engaged in applied science - this is how you can only welcome, but this is how you demand the impossible and embrace the immense request .
      3. 11 black
        11 black 29 August 2013 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: avt
        Will scientists and the direct customer decide

        request Well, for the third time I am writing - do not flatter yourself. MVTU is an educational institution, and it does not have a very close relationship with real design and production, especially remember the Dozor joint with KAMAZ. It’s good that students and teachers are engaged in scientific and practical work at the department, but it’s silly to expect from this super breakthrough, well, there’s not there, and there can’t be a full-fledged design bureau, and even with a production and factory base. . Another cause of serious concern is that, under this tag, KAMAZ, for example, wants to squeeze an order for technology, and this is an ostentatious response to the demand of iPhone and Livanov to drive science and technology to universities.


        do not panic - the Research Institute "Transmash" has been involved, and this is a VERY serious enterprise, and tracked combat vehicles are just their specialization.
        And MSTU itself is also not simple, for example, 1 from its developments
  2. Alexey M
    Alexey M 29 August 2013 09: 46
    +1
    Amer did something similar but the price is sky-high. And so the idea is interesting.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 August 2013 10: 21
      +2
      Quote: Alexey M
      Amer did something similar n


      In 1972, if that. Amphibious Assault Vehicle 7 (AAV-7) The amphibian case is made of aluminum armor and for some reason it does not corrode.
  3. domokl
    domokl 29 August 2013 09: 46
    +3
    The feeling of the news is somehow fabulous. Go there, I don’t know where. Find that, I don’t know what. BMMP is needed. But there is no technical task. And the Mariners will have to adapt the land vehicles for themselves as always.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 29 August 2013 10: 04
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      Go there, I don’t know where. Find that, I don’t know what.

      Yeah, from the series "make a th-thread cool".
    2. Basileus
      Basileus 29 August 2013 10: 15
      +2
      And what, officially announced TK? Just for a small article with a quote, to draw conclusions about the entire IMHO program is not very correct.
  4. Col.
    Col. 29 August 2013 09: 47
    +3
    "Baumanka"! Soon, MGU journalists will call it "Lomonosovka". And isn't it a shame to be so foolish? Kitchen jargon is not always appropriate in bad news.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 August 2013 10: 11
      +2
      Quote: Colonel
      "Baumanka"!
      As far as I know, students of this very high-class educational institution have always been proud of just that name, since this is a brand of the highest, world level ...
      1. Col.
        Col. 29 August 2013 10: 52
        0
        Quote: svp67
        the students of this very high-class educational institution have always been proud of their very name, since this is a brand of the highest, world level ...

        I do not argue, MVTU is one of the best universities in the world. My father even taught a little there after being put on the reserve. I am opposed to making jargon on printed pages. There must be a culture and ethics of journalists.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 29 August 2013 11: 00
          +1
          Quote: Colonel
          I am opposed to making jargon on printed pages. There must be a culture and ethics of journalists.


          I fully support it, just as they use the word "Sklif". One thing is not clear what relation to science had a drop-out student veterinarian Bauman
          1. Generalissimus
            Generalissimus 29 August 2013 11: 55
            +1
            There is nothing wrong with the sound of "Baumank". This is how we have always called (and call) our glorious alma mater. Both students and teachers.
            This is not jargon, but a long-established self-name, which has become a household name.

            In general, Bauman is a sign of quality, the best technological institute in the world.
            Under the Union, it was called a school, but the competition was the largest.
            Are you from the village?


            Exactly. And even more. I once entered the Moscow Technical University, and already graduated from the Moscow State Technical University.
            I don’t remember exactly what year exactly - at the turn of the 80's and 90's it was a change of status. There was even a general vote, whether to leave the name Higher Technical School or to accept a new one - State Technical University.

            An absolute majority voted for the Moscow Technical University, but they did the same at the Moscow State Technical University, explaining that, by law, the University has more options.
            In my opinion - a golem excuse. Always our Baumanka, being called, in fact, a technical school, was in fact the best technical institute of the USSR and, of course, stood in the ranks of universities, not technicians, in all statements and ranks of ministries and departments.
            It is a pity that they changed the historical glorious name - MVTU.
          2. Col.
            Col. 29 August 2013 15: 16
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            One thing is unclear what relation to science did the undergraduate student veterinarian Bauman have

            Yes, we have enough curiosities. For example, how do you like this combination: the Academy of the Strategic Missile Forces. Peter the Great? Something like the "school of the Airborne Forces named after Ivan the Terrible" lol
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 29 August 2013 11: 00
      0
      In general, Bauman is a sign of quality, the best technological institute in the world.
      Under the Union, it was called a school, but the competition was the largest.
  5. Vtel
    Vtel 29 August 2013 09: 54
    +2
    Scientific and Production Center of Special Engineering MGTU im. N.E. Bauman won the competition of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the implementation of research work on the creation of a combat vehicle for naval units

    It remains only to defeat the problems in creating the BMMP and not to delay until 2050. Success in work, time is short - the kazly from the west are already crushing horns.
  6. Basileus
    Basileus 29 August 2013 10: 01
    +1
    With the new, honest and unbiased Minister of Defense, new suppliers come to the defense industry. And what's the difference that they used to cooperate with the Ministry of Emergencies?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 29 August 2013 12: 49
      +1
      Quote: Basileus
      With a new, honest and unbiased Minister of Defense


      It remains to wait when this appears
  7. Retx
    Retx 29 August 2013 10: 05
    +1
    It seems, or is Russia slowly changing the doctrine? Landing operations ...
  8. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 29 August 2013 10: 10
    +2
    The case when speed on water and firepower decide.
    You can land not only from ships, but also through straits, bays, large lakes, if only a weak defense.
  9. AK-47
    AK-47 29 August 2013 10: 47
    0
    Another problem is that BMMP should disembark from docking ships that are not in service with the Russian Navy. “Whether it is necessary to adapt the product under development to the Mistral being built is not yet clear,” the chief designer complained.

    It is necessary to adapt to everything that floats, flies, moves, does not move. Then there will be what is needed.
  10. Konsmo
    Konsmo 29 August 2013 10: 55
    0
    In general, an overseas landing is only mu ... Amer could come up with.
    Type Ships, and the landing x ... with it.
    .
    In turn, ships must support artillery landings (the larger the caliber and range the better.)
    In my opinion, the brainless Amer’s idea is stupidly reproduced by the generals.
    On telly showed these Amer coffins, high-speed for disembarkation, what imperceptible disembarkation?
    The target is what you need. A few heavy machine guns from 12 mm. on the flanks and goodbye American homeland and hamburgers. good
  11. rudolff
    rudolff 29 August 2013 12: 02
    +4
    The only plus in this venture is that the university will receive a certain amount of money for research work. Science and education are not a pity. But the idea of ​​creating such a machine is a little crazy. Firstly, the Admiralty has still not decided on the very concept of conducting airborne operations. Whether this will be a continuation of the traditions of the Soviet school of airborne landing or whether we will adopt the foreign experience of over-the-horizon landing is still unknown. Even the construction of the 3rd and 4th UDC is still in question.
    Secondly, if on corvettes, frigates, let it creak, but things have moved, and the destroyer is drawn at least on paper, then we have a complete calm on the BDK or UDC of our own projects! Ivan Gren, with his original idea of ​​disembarking vehicles through a previously built pontoon bridge, will not see the series. And the head, apparently, will not be used for its intended purpose, but rather as a transport of weapons. The BDK fleet, which we inherited from the union, is rapidly aging. There is no talk about the resumption of the construction of ships according to old projects, there are no new projects and are not expected in the near future. Against this background, talk about a super-diving infantry fighting vehicle for the marines, empty chatter. You have to start from the beginning, not from the end. We need a new concept, new ships for it, for these ships the means of landing, but not vice versa. It would be better to attend to the current state of the technology of the Marines. Apart from armored personnel carriers, and a certain number of tanks, they have nothing. It would have been a long time since they could have "changed" them to BMP-3F and given them Octopuses instead of PTs, and then they would have voiced their "armored" fantasies.
    1. bask
      bask 29 August 2013 19: 51
      +3
      Quote: rudolff
      "armored" fantasies.

      You, as always rudolff, are one hundred percent accurate !!!
      There is practically nothing to add (first a chicken then an egg), and not otherwise.
      BMP-3F ,, Octopus, self-propelled guns, Vienna ,, should be procured by the marines immediately.
      If tomorrow is a war, the Marines simply have nothing to fight. All armored vehicles are morally and physically obsolete.
      The Chinese do not talk, but do.
      Lightweight amphibious tank, based on the chassis of a new generation combat infantry fighting vehicle ZBD-2000. It is intended for the quick delivery of marines to the coast from landing ships at high speed with access to the planing mode while moving on water.
  12. yanus
    yanus 29 August 2013 12: 32
    +2
    Notably money will be sawn. The fact that there is no experience in creating such machines is not so bad. Much sadder is the fact of the creation of BMP as an independent model of equipment, and not on the basis of a land BMP. This is demonization and cost, etc. ... I would have understood that if we had a bunch of marines. But in fact, their cat cried for us and they exist more for show.
    In short, they will master the money for development. God forbid, if they are not allowed into production, they will screw up even more money, and the Marines will be given a "shushpanzer", from which they will spit.
  13. Per se.
    Per se. 29 August 2013 13: 50
    +5
    Our marines have long needed a new combat vehicle, and they have one, this is the BMP-3F, but, alas, there was no Shamanov for the marines. Baumanka, this is good, but so far "court and case", the men are again without "horses". Who is the BMP-3F in the way, or does it need a monster like the American AAV-7?
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach 29 August 2013 14: 03
      +1
      Per se, welcome, but mind you. BMP-3f is a good car for its time or as a "kind of class" of floating equipment. A technique that "swims too". However, it does not have certain requirements for a new vision of BMMP. By seaworthiness, by speed afloat, by the number of troops. The concept gets complicated. BMP-3f, as a platform - "will not allow to turn around" engineering, leaning against the performance characteristics of a particular machine.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 29 August 2013 17: 43
        +2
        And I greet you, dmitreach! It is necessary to immediately decide what our marines need, a really combat vehicle, or an amphibious craft that can somehow shoot while crawling on the shore. Yankees spend a lot of babos on the development of EFV, in Russian translation, as "expeditionary combat vehicle". This miracle, in fact, takes 21 paratroopers "on board" and can sail using planing at speeds up to 46 km / h. Yes, it is impressive, if you forget that in rough seas, planing is difficult or impossible, and on the shore this mastodon is not very suitable for battle. It seems that domestic "Americanophiles" fell for this bourgeois "masterpiece", demanding a similar car. Let our BMP-3F take 5-7 more paratroopers to the crew, and swim at a speed of 10 km / h, but it can swim in waves of 3 points and conduct aimed fire at 2 points, having a power reserve on the water for at least 7 hours. with the possibility of towing a second car. I don’t know about you, but I would prefer to go into battle with a BMP-3F, and not this American monster for the war with the Papuans.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 29 August 2013 22: 23
          +1
          I dashed off a whole novel, as an answer, and accidentally restarted the computer ...

          Impossible to embrace the immensity.
          Either high seaworthiness and 15 landing personnel (so much MO wants), or compact dimensions and powerful weapons ... from which you can’t shoot with excitement over 2 points ... But in fact - and three balls laugh!
          If curious: http://www.kakras.ru/interesn/wind.htm
          This I mean that the presence of powerful weapons is leveled by light excitement at sea, and you still have to get to the coast ... This is all the more important when it comes to the now fashionable "over-the-horizon landing". It is not possible for a huge, armored, and even floating "bus" to compete in speed with a ship in an air cavity ... Or it is possible, but the fuel consumption will be like a pair of turntables. Again, a small number of troops increases the number of units. techniques in the hold of the Landing Ship. And this despite the fact that the BMP3f, like the BTR82, does not have sufficient seaworthiness. There is something to think about. A new car is needed, in any case.
          The task of creating a new BMMP is a great start for new R&D.
          Let's see what grows out of this.
          1. Allegedly
            Allegedly 29 August 2013 22: 42
            +1
            Quote: dmitreach
            Impossible to embrace the immensity.


            Most likely you wanted to say - "you can’t shove my own **?”

            But seriously, when Lavrenty Palych Beria oversaw the military-industrial complex, there were no impossible tasks for him. Why?
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 30 August 2013 08: 06
            0
            Quote: dmitreach
            There is something to think about.
            The main thing is not to go to extremes. You cannot create something "all in one bottle", and with "over-the-horizon landing" you also need to understand that it is not a panacea for all occasions, somewhere the good old ways will come in handy, then everything will fall into place. And the BMP-3F, in my opinion, the fleet still needs.
  14. dmitreach
    dmitreach 29 August 2013 13: 57
    +2
    I've been waiting for this news for over a year! More precisely - specifics on the BMMP. Since the acquisition of clear lines on the Mistral and work on the KA52k "Katran" and the rejection of the BMP3f. It is possible for pessimists to whine about a consolidated topic: "a horse ahead of a steam locomotive" and other popular proverbs, however, the BMMP topic is moving.
    Wangyu: They will create a draft design - they will whine that no one needs this for nothing. They will create a prototype - they will whine that they will drown. They will test a prototype - they will whine that "it won't roll without pearl buttons." Will go into the series - come up with a reason for whining.

    Bauman Brotherhood - good ideas and technical solutions! I believe in you.
    And yet, it is correct to say that the machine is created for the Marines, and not for the UDC Mistral.
    1. Recon
      Recon 29 August 2013 17: 17
      +2
      Quote: dmitreach
      Wangyu: They will create a draft design - they will whine that no one needs this for nothing. They will create a prototype - they will whine that they will drown. They will test a prototype - they will whine that "it won't roll without pearl buttons." Will go into the series - come up with a reason for whining.



      PPKS ... a surprisingly predictable reaction will follow, there’s nothing to talk about.
  15. rudolff
    rudolff 30 August 2013 00: 58
    +3
    Honestly, the situation around the Airborne Forces and the Marine Corps is not entirely clear. The most warring troops, and the provision of equipment on a residual basis. Without infantry, the Marine Corps is already left, it remains to wait until the Beters are no longer fit for repair. They began to sink at the landing a long time ago. At the same time, there is a ready-made BMP-3F, a decent vehicle, and sailors are more than satisfied. Including seaworthiness. Three points is not so bad. For skeptics, I recall that the limitation of seaworthiness, for example, of small missile ships (RTOs), is five points, and with such excitement, they are almost absolutely unworkable. I experienced it in my own skin. But this is a ship!
    Given the size of the Marine Corps, relatively few such vehicles would be required, and since the BMP-3F is exported like "hot" cakes, there are no problems in mastering its production. All rearmament would have taken at most a couple of years. And if they were also backed up with Octopus, there would be no price for our admiral-generals! But then it is already easy to engage in the creation of new technology. First, the approval of the draft design and research and development work, then R&D, then a cycle of tests, running in the troops, eliminating jambs, preparing production, everything about everything will take ten to fifteen years, and this is at best.
  16. rudolff
    rudolff 30 August 2013 01: 40
    +2
    On ships, too, a strange situation arose. There was hope for a series of BDK Ivan Gren. When they began to build, then suddenly an insight came that it was of little use for full-fledged landing operations. The series was turned off, the head will still be finished, but it will probably go like an arms transport. Why no one bothered to think in advance how they plan to build a pontoon bridge between the ship and the shore in the event of fire resistance is a mystery. It turned out that we did not have an alternative ready-made design for the landing craft. A scandalous story began with the procurement of the Mistral. How it ends, whether the series will be continued is not yet clear. The saddest thing is that while the essence and the matter, no one at the same time bothered to develop a new project of at least some of their own BDK / UDC / UDC. That is, there is nothing in the foreseeable future to replace the pr.775 ships. Oddly enough, in our Navy this flat-bottomed project turned out to be the most demanded and the most floating. By the way, about the project 775. It could well be reanimated, but somewhat in a different guise. Change the project. Lengthen the meter by fifty to seventy aft, respectively increasing the displacement (4 tons is not enough) one and a half times. Keep a tank hold from the bow ramp to the stern lapport. On an elongated deck in the aft, provide space for one or two helicopters. To build the ship's multiple launch rocket system not on the basis of the Grad, but on the basis of the heavy Tornado on a platform gyro-stabilized in two planes. Of course, new radars, ACS, BIOS, etc. And it would be a great alternative or addition to overseas marine coverage. These two concepts could well coexist together. All this could be done in quite acceptable terms and not for too much money. If you wish.