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"It will be the most silent aircraft"

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“To create a sixth generation aircraft, you need to conduct a large amount of basic research. Already on the fifth generation, so much of everything new appeared, ”the former deputy head of the Air Force for Armaments, Honored Military Pilot Yuri Klishin, told VIEW VIEW, commenting news on the development of the sixth generation domestic unmanned fighter.


Russian aircraft designers have already begun developing a sixth generation unmanned fighter, former Army Commander Peter Deinekin, former commander-in-chief of the Air Force of Russia, said on the eve of the MAKS-2013 air show.

In Russia, tests of the fifth generation T-50 fighter are now being completed. Meanwhile, leading European countries, according to analysts, create the fifth generation of combat aviation they won’t be at all, but immediately go to the sixth unmanned.

“The topic of long-range unmanned aerial vehicles requires further study, especially since the sixth generation of combat aircraft is likely to be unmanned. Naturally, we are actively working on this topic, ”Deinekin said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

He stressed that it is impossible to compare, for example, France as a member of NATO, which can buy fifth-generation fighters in the United States and Russia. “We have to do this important business on our own, so it’s unlikely that we will be able to jump through a generation,” said the former commander-in-chief of the Russian Air Force.

Newspaper VIEW asked the former deputy commander-in-chief of the Air Force for Armaments, Honored Military Pilot of Russia Yuri Klishin to tell more about the features of the domestic fighter of the new generation and how competitive it will be compared to world models.

VIEW: Yuri Petrovich, what is the difference between the sixth generation fighter and the fifth generation?

Yuri Klishin: First, the level of artificial intelligence. Secondly, a higher level of robotization and automation. Also for new models characterized by an increased level of reliability of the equipment and autonomy. Add to this the increased level of all vision equipment, which includes location, optics, infrared radiation, and ultraviolet. And, of course, we can talk about a higher level of noise immunity. That is, the designers are working to ensure that any interference does not disable the aircraft, allowing it to perform the combat mission.

VIEW: Tell me more about how the new fighter will look externally.

Yu. K .: Differently. And now you can see a lot of different fifth-generation aircraft. Some of them are more imperceptible for location, others less, they rely on high-precision weapon and so on. Of course, this will be the most silent airplane. And it will be a reasonable combination of cost, efficiency and affordability. Because if you make it “one-time”, then such a project, probably, no budget will pull. In a word, depending on the tasks that will be in place, the planes will have different configurations and different sizes. If this is a strike aircraft, then its mass and dimensional characteristics will be higher than, say, if this is a purely reconnaissance option.

VIEW: Periodically there is information that the fifth generation fighter developers are faced with various problems, the elimination of which takes a lot of time. Someone says that the development of the sixth generation fighter has started now precisely because when the fifth one goes into service, it will already become obsolete?

Yu. K .: When creating any aircraft technology, there are problems. Take absolutely any aircraft. For example, А380 was detained for more than a year and a half. And when the Tu-144 was created, then in general the newest technologies were applied, the developers also faced very big problems. However, all the tasks performed. And then these developments were embodied even not only in civil aviation, but also in the military - in the Tu-160 aircraft.

The point is not whether the fifth-generation fighter will become obsolete or will not become obsolete. There must be a transition period from a manned vehicle to an unmanned vehicle. Yes, now obsolescence is happening faster. Therefore, you need to create a technique that does not have long calendar life, but has a large resource. We used to have an approach on 20, on 30 years of service of the aircraft. Su-27, for example, already 30 years in the ranks. So it will not work.

Rather, it is necessary to talk about the concept of training aircraft, which have a large resource and a short service life. He should fly off in three shifts, work out his output resource, and then he should be thrown away and take a new one. But talking about obsolescence is impossible. The piloted vehicles themselves will not become obsolete, they will be used for a long time, since this is a reliable, efficient and reusable technique.

VIEW: If we compare the new fighter with world analogues, how competitive is the domestic version?

"It will be the most silent aircraft"Yuri Klishin spoke about the advantages and disadvantages of the new technology.

Yu. K .: In all respects it is competitive. If earlier we were somehow lagging behind in terms of the development of avionics (avionics), now we have already caught up. It is very difficult to get ahead, even to the Americans or anyone else. At the same time, we have developments that by some parameters exceed the level of other countries.

VIEW: The fact that the fighters of new generations want to make unmanned - this is a modern global trend? Do you think drones will eventually become more than manned models?

Yu. K .: Everything will depend on the doctrine and concept of the development of the armed forces. If it is there that the bet is placed on robotization, then drones will prevail. It all depends on politicians of all countries of the world. But, indeed, the movement against human participation in hostilities is spreading across the globe. Remember the mass demonstrations against the Vietnam War, our experience of the war in Afghanistan, from where we constantly brought cargo-200 ... Human life is becoming more expensive. In addition, a lot of money is needed to train a high-class pilot.

VIEW: How will the unmanned fighter be integrated into the existing control system in the Russian army? Are problems with this expected?

Yu. K .: Let us take, for example, the C-300 or C-400 air defense missiles. The level of integration there is such that he gave them precise target designation, they flew out, hit targets, the question was closed. If we have learned to integrate into the missile control system, why should problems be with UAVs? I think we will pass this stage quickly. Now there are a lot of developments that exist in parallel for attack aircraft, and for the army, and for the drone.

VIEW: For exactly what purpose is designed sixth generation fighter?

Yu. K .: This is a multi-purpose aircraft for hitting various targets: land, sea, air, mobile, etc.

LOOK: And what stealth technology in it will be applied?

Yu. K .: There is a whole range of technologies here, each has its own pros and cons, from all sorts of coating options with different materials to a different configuration.

But we also remember the experience of the hostilities in Yugoslavia, when our anti-aircraft missile system shot down the vaunted American F-117. That is, there are technologies that allow you to define these "invisible objects." There are many such options now, and each designer chooses what is suitable for the realization of his idea.

VIEW: Leading European countries want to step over one stage and instead of creating fifth-generation fighters, they plan to go straight to the sixth, unmanned. What do you think about it?

Yu. K .: Here the leader is France - she was the first to announce this. But I believe that in order to create a sixth generation aircraft, it is necessary to conduct a large number of deep fundamental research. Already on the fifth generation, so much of everything new appeared - the same artificial intelligence, which we still need to learn how to use correctly. Therefore, I think that these countries still lack the willingness to determine what constitutes the sixth generation.
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  1. Sakhalininsk
    Sakhalininsk 30 August 2013 15: 55 New
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    The sixth generation is very interesting. But nevertheless, we would sooner take the T-50 into service, and not in single copies, but in large quantities. And the fact that scientists work on the sixth generation is great, it means that improvements will be made to existing combat platforms, and it means that our sky will be in the castle, assiduous champions of shit democracy and other abominations.
    1. experienced
      experienced 30 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +9
      Maybe it would not be necessary to spray and focus on PAK FA? And then it’s possible for the 9th generation to “swing” with access to space with lasers and a gravitap, but to the point ... It seems that the availability of budget money and the opportunity to "master" it begin to fog the brain and itchy hands winked
      Today it’s already infa that PAK DA will replace three types of aircraft and will be armed with hypersonic missiles ... Maybe it’s time to start doing less and chatting?
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 30 August 2013 16: 09 New
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        Quote: seasoned
        Maybe you don’t need to spray and focus on PAK FA


        Here, one does not interfere with the other, the 6th generation is only scientific developments ... and they are not known to be superfluous. The fifth generation is already an accomplished fact, and the sixth is still work for the future ... that is, thanks to this work, both the scientific potential will be developed and the technology of adopted weapons will be improved.
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 30 August 2013 16: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: seasoned
        Maybe it would not be necessary to spray and focus on PAK FA?

        You can focus on the Yak-1, it is even easier and faster. wink
        1. experienced
          experienced 30 August 2013 16: 25 New
          +6
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Here, one does not interfere with the other, the 6th generation is only scientific developments ... and they are not known to be superfluous. Fifth generation already fait accompli

          What developments and where did you see the fait accompli of the 5th generation aircraft in Russia? They are already mass produced and go to the troops? Are you equipped with weapons and electronics? Why lie to ourselves?
          If before, we still somehow lagged behind the level of development of avionics (avionics) (avionics - approx. VZGLYAD), but now they have become equal. It is very difficult to go forward, even for the same Americans or someone else. At the same time, we have developments, which in some parameters surpass the level of other countries.

          Again "unparalleled", but in the army what are they flying now and what are they bombing with? The old fashioned way, as during the Second World War? Yes, there are developments and not bad ones, but as the question arises of modernizing the park, it immediately starts, it’s too expensive and so it’s not bad, we will limit ourselves to this and the old fashioned way. Everything is as always "cheap and cheerful." But the pilots are what, they are obliged to endure the hardships and hardships. And then we are struck by the loss of aircraft during 080808 request

          Quote: Vladimirets
          You can focus on the Yak-1, it is even easier and faster.

          Of course, it’s better to develop a super-super-bunny waffle and brush it off in case of aggression with its blueprints, like this is what we came up with, we will show you more ...
          Look at the quantitative composition of NATO aviation and the Russian recourse
          1. Nitup
            Nitup 30 August 2013 16: 33 New
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            Dear experienced, most likely, it means that the fundamental research on the PAK FA project has already been completed, the applied part has remained, other people are already engaged in it. Scientists involved in fundamental work cannot stop there, so they went on to research on the creation of the next generation aircraft. Simple practice. By the way, the fifth generation submarines are already being created in our country, although the fourth submarines have not yet been put into service.
            1. APOCALIPTIC
              APOCALIPTIC 31 August 2013 00: 27 New
              -1
              [quote = Nitup] Dear experienced, most likely it means that the fundamental research on the PAK FA project has already been completed,

              and what are the 5th generation engines ready for, or so in the year 2015?
          2. JIaIIoTb
            JIaIIoTb 30 August 2013 16: 36 New
            +7
            Quote: seasoned
            Look at the quantitative composition of NATO aviation and the Russian


            Dear Alexey!
            NATO includes 26 states. Do you want Russia to have comparable Armed Forces with the forces of so many countries?
            I'm afraid all the oil in the whole world is not enough for this.
            And in aviation, at least in terms of quantity, we are not inferior in any way to the same United States.

            Sincerely.
            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 16: 41 New
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              Quote: JIaIIoTb
              NATO includes 26 states. Do you want Russia to have comparable Armed Forces with the forces of so many countries?

              Vladimir hi , Russia must have forces sufficient to repel aggression. History shows that as soon as there was a freak in the world that was waging war on us, all of Europe gathered under his arm and our ancestors always finished off this chantrap in its den. Now we also have not allies, but greedy neighbors are enough. I understand that nuclear weapons are a strong acting factor, but I would like to have other trump cards up my sleeve.
              Best regards
              1. JIaIIoTb
                JIaIIoTb 30 August 2013 19: 41 New
                +4
                Quote: seasoned
                Russia must have sufficient forces to repel aggression


                But who argues with the truth ?!

                But putting everyone under arms in peacetime, well, is not entirely reasonable.

                Sincerely.
                1. experienced
                  experienced 30 August 2013 19: 45 New
                  +1
                  Quote: JIaIIoTb
                  But putting everyone under arms in peacetime, well, is not entirely reasonable.

                  No one will give time for that and the Army, which should be in constant readiness, for preparation and mobilization. The methods of maintaining the database and equipment have been weakened, so there are no options. Do you think the Americans because of the "stupidity" (according to Zadornov) deliver so many planes to the troops? They know how to count
                  Best regards
            2. patsantre
              patsantre 30 August 2013 20: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: JIaIIoTb
              And in aviation, at least in terms of quantity, we are not inferior in any way to the same United States.

              Laughing, did you check this information before writing? The USA, for example, has 2400 fighters, we have 800, and it’s good if at least half of them fly. Deck fighters (which are not included in the aforementioned 2400) have there are almost more of them than our Air Force fighters. And the gap is even greater for AWACS, tankers and UAVs.
              1. JIaIIoTb
                JIaIIoTb 30 August 2013 21: 14 New
                +2
                Sorry of course, but you can laugh further.
                I wrote about the Air Force as a whole and not about fighters. Or do you see exclusively what you want to see?
                Read to start http://samlib.ru/s/shabalin_a_p/rossia-ssha.shtml
                In the future, I recommend that before you write something, first carefully read the opponent’s text, then think about what the opponent wanted to convey to readers and specifically to you. And if you do not understand, make a clarifying question.
                Smart and polite people do this.
                Sincerely.
                1. patsantre
                  patsantre 30 August 2013 23: 05 New
                  +1
                  Quote: JIaIIoTb
                  And in aviation, at least in terms of quantity, we are not inferior in any way to the same United States.

                  You wrote this.
                  Is it somehow silly to get out or trying, I don’t understand? I don’t see any reason to bother reading too much, everyone already knows that the number of US Air Force is several times greater than ours. But, if I miss something important, your the article is really written something worthwhile, you can try to describe it in a nutshell.
          3. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 30 August 2013 16: 52 New
            +4
            Quote: seasoned
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Here, one does not interfere with the other, the 6th generation is only scientific developments ... and they are not known to be superfluous. Fifth generation already fait accompli

            Cool, is this my quote?
            Quote: seasoned
            Of course, it’s better to develop a super-super-bunny waffle and brush it off in case of aggression with its blueprints, like this is what we came up with, we will show you more ...

            Just making one plane, you need to keep in mind the next. Otherwise, one fine time you can find yourself in one not very beautiful place.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 30 August 2013 17: 19 New
              +7
              Just making one plane, you need to keep in mind the next.

              Fine, no one argues. But where did all these talkers get that the 6 generation will be unmanned? Is there any research? Have experience with the 5 generation? Is there an AI? Have new materials or weapons?
              If the step from propeller-driven aviation to jet was really a generational change and this was evident, then what will be the 6 generation?
              Conventional turbojet engines are already approaching their maximum in traction and functionality. The absence of a pilot is not an unambiguous sign of the 6 generation - civilian aircraft are already flying under automatic control. Pilots there, in fact, to reassure passengers and critical situations.
              1. S-200
                S-200 30 August 2013 18: 19 New
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                Quote: Wedmak
                then what will be the 6th generation?

                It is assumed that the sixth generation fighters will be automated unmanned systems, not limited in maneuverability and speed by the "human factor", included in the general computer control system for military operations.
                The first one. The 6th generation aircraft will have an "ultra-low profile" with smooth contours of the fuselage and wing.
                The second one. All sixth generation fighters will have supersonic cruising speed.
                The third. Maneuverability of cars will further develop.
                Fourth. Ability to inflict long-range strike.
                Fifth. The new generation fighter will be integrated with all systems of combat control and destruction - land, air, sea, underwater and space.
                Sixth. Aircraft will be used both in manned and unmanned modes (F / A-XX).
                PS And I wonder:
                - What is needed for the T-50 to become a 6th generation aircraft?
                and). Engines with a thrust vector deflected in different planes - on the way ...
                b). avionics for autonomous control and analysis of air, ground and surface situations? - ...
                in general, there is already a platform on which you can work out various prototypes of avionics of the 6th generation
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 30 August 2013 18: 59 New
                  +1
                  All sixth generation fighters will have supersonic cruising speed.
                  Maneuverability of machines will further develop.

                  Hard to get along factors.
                  Ability to inflict long-range strike.

                  Distant, highly maneuverable, supersonic, manned and unmanned at the same time ... not too many conditions? You need to roll your lip, you can’t argue against physics.
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 12 New
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                    Quote: Wedmak
                    All sixth generation fighters will have supersonic cruising speed.
                    Maneuverability of machines will further develop.

                    Hard to get along factors.
                    Ability to inflict long-range strike.

                    Distant, highly maneuverable, supersonic, manned and unmanned at the same time ... not too many conditions? You need to roll your lip, you can’t argue against physics.

                    If it's not a secret, what do you have in physics?
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 30 August 2013 20: 55 New
                      +1
                      It was 4. But are there any objections?
                2. stas52
                  stas52 31 August 2013 06: 52 New
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                  Quote: S-200
                  The second one. All sixth generation fighters will have supersonic cruising speed.
                  The third. Maneuverability of cars will further develop.

                  Unfortunately, all of the above is impossible without finding new principles of communication, or creating an AI superior or at least at the same level with the human. While all this is only in fantastic works and will be there in the next hundred years at least request
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 10 New
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                Quote: Wedmak
                Fine, no one argues. But where did all these talkers get that the 6 generation will be unmanned? Is there any research? Have experience with the 5 generation? Is there an AI? Have new materials or weapons?
                How do you know?
                Here is the answer!
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 00 New
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                  Yes, I kind of studied in a technical specialty.
                  And I can assure you that if technically you can create a drone quite easily (supersonic is more difficult), then it’s even more difficult to control it. I'm talking about AI autopilot. If it is already in full use on civilian sides (everything is there according to the program, everything is laid down, ground beacons, radars, warning systems, etc.), then it’s premature to talk about military operations under the control of AI.
                  And no one has any experience in using 5 generation aircraft!
              3. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 31 August 2013 15: 34 New
                0
                Quote: Wedmak
                But where did all these talkers get that the 6th generation would be unmanned? Is there any research?

                Research is being carried out on current drones and hypersonic engines. Increase their predictor by 2–3 times, put a hyper-engine and here you are the 6th generation. The 6th generation function will be reduced to a quick span of several g, detection and drop of missiles or cables
                1. Cyber7
                  Cyber7 31 August 2013 16: 25 New
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                  Quote: Pilat2009
                  The 6th generation function will boil down to a quick span of a few g, detection and drop of missiles or cabs

                  Duc, this is a kakbe and not a plane at all. A reusable returnable missile with the ability to change warheads and a reprogrammed flight path. Then bombs are the most effective means of use. Only explosives and fuel are spent. The rest is all reusable.
                  1. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 31 August 2013 19: 10 New
                    0
                    Quote: Cyber7
                    Duc, this is a kakbe and not a plane at all.

                    I didn’t mean flying in the stratosphere - I meant a fighter-bomber, an anti-aircraft carrier and air-to-ground missiles
                    able to fade away from missiles on afterburner of ten G
          4. 11 black
            11 black 30 August 2013 22: 13 New
            0
            Quote: seasoned
            See the numerical strength of NATO aviation and the Russian recourse

            This is what ruined the USSR - he alone tried to compete with the NATO bloc, and this is the 26 of states, despite the fact that the industry of the USA, England, France or Germany is comparable to the Russian / Soviet one. You can’t defeat half the world alone with muscles, you need to work with your head - you need a feasible ASYMMETRIC response, and this is how the C300,400,500 systems became - take a look at how many of them are in service and how many will be in 2020, good
        2. Quiet
          Quiet 30 August 2013 17: 46 New
          +3
          You can focus on the Yak-1, it is even easier and faster

          And what is bad, "Ilya Muromets" ?? wink No air defense is not scary !!!! laughing
          1. S-200
            S-200 30 August 2013 18: 16 New
            +1
            Quote: Quiet
            And what is bad, "Ilya Muromets" ?? No air defense is not scary !!!!

            List how it cannot be brought down?
            1. experienced
              experienced 30 August 2013 18: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: S-200
              List how it cannot be brought down?

              slingshot wink
              In general, I look "quiet" reappeared wassat Today, under the guise of a brother, he registered, tried to "run over", received a rebuff, "merged quietly." Now he brought me to the emergency rejoices laughing Anika Warrior negative
              1. S-200
                S-200 30 August 2013 18: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: seasoned
                slingshot

                You, only Jews about slingshot "Sling of David" do not hint ... may be offended! wassat
                1. experienced
                  experienced 30 August 2013 18: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: S-200
                  You, only to the Jews about the slingshot "Sling of David" do not hint ... they might be offended!

                  Yes, somehow they began to react inadequately on the topic of discussing the effectiveness of their air defense. recourse While it was more or less calm, there were such gallant reports, such as not a single infection could fly by, but it smelled like fried ones, offenses started when they began to say the numbers of interception of “tin water pipes”, apparently they realized that it wasn’t as simple as in newspapers write
            2. Quiet
              Quiet 30 August 2013 18: 54 New
              +1
              List how it cannot be brought down?

              And they will not try to shoot down .... they will confuse at night by the sound of a drone on which MANPADS are a pity to spend ... belay laughing
            3. Wedmak
              Wedmak 30 August 2013 19: 00 New
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              C-300. It’s just that it’s not going to follow the radar ... It’s going over the EPR like a dove.
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 30 August 2013 17: 12 New
        +2
        The design groundwork ahead was simply a necessary matter, such a groundwork was in Soviet times and look what happened, even with the collapse of the country, we still use its inheritance.
      4. Rus2012
        Rus2012 30 August 2013 17: 59 New
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        It seems that the availability of budget money and the ability to "master" it begin to fog the brain and itchy hands

        And this expression:
        Therefore, you need to create a technique that does not have long calendar life, but has a large resource. We used to have an approach on 20, on 30 years of aircraft service. Su-27, for example, has been in operation for 30 years.

        Nothing reminds, dear colleague?
        The same approach is "a lot of disposable, non-repairable products", adopted by international marketers and already mastered in all sectors, that the auto industry, that other consumer goods ... Now we got to aviation ...
      5. Genry
        Genry 30 August 2013 18: 11 New
        0
        "The plane is harasho ..., the parachute is harasho ....
        Deer is better !!! "
        (in the movie (?), Chukchi on the plane)
      6. Siberian German
        Siberian German 31 August 2013 05: 19 New
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        and money in general began to play too big a role in modern aircraft manufacturing - they shoved our officials and airlines with bongs and sausages and they don’t really need yaki carcasses ... they don’t need ren
    2. Civil
      Civil 30 August 2013 17: 02 New
      +1
      It takes a long time to work on the concept, and then quickly put the idea into practice.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 30 August 2013 17: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: ..
      leading European countries, according to analysts, will not create the fifth generation of military aircraft at all, but will immediately switch to the sixth unmanned aircraft.



      Do not treat a doctor. For the sixth to appear, you need to bring the fifth to mind, well, approximately like 4 ++
    4. donavi49
      donavi49 30 August 2013 17: 19 New
      +4
      This is normal practice on the MiG-23 began to work even before launching the MiG-21 series. A certain backlog on the 4 generation was also done virtually simultaneously with the development of third-generation aircraft.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 30 August 2013 17: 25 New
        +5
        Quote: donavi49
        A certain backlog for the 4th generation was also done virtually simultaneously with the development of third-generation aircraft.


        So Europe throws the thought that you can immediately bypass the fifth jump into the sixth, but how can the Russians swallow it? And as a result of neither the fifth nor the sixth
        1. experienced
          experienced 30 August 2013 17: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Vadivak
          So Europe throws the thought that you can immediately bypass the fifth jump into the sixth, but how can the Russians swallow it? And as a result of neither the fifth nor the sixth

          Hi Vadim hi I remember once Reagan divorced us at the SDI ... recourse
          Here, with the fifth generation, each of them puts forward its own demands, the Americans concentrated on stealth and electronics (as a result, the iron), ours on super-maneuverability and power, the Chinese generally do not claim the 5th (they have 4th according to their methods). On these "generations" everyone has gone astray, and planes and tanks and submarines have been breaking and arguing hoarsely for generations. They forget that only war (DB) will show who is stronger and who was right when developing. It is possible to equip a corn farmer with some kind of “device” which no one has and call a 7th-generation LA, pride will be amused, but what's the point?
        2. foxhound
          foxhound 30 August 2013 19: 42 New
          0
          so how will the Russians answer? they will create retaliatory measures against what is not coming soon. The Russians will create their own 5,6 generation, while others will again promote their own, which seems better for them.
    5. S-200
      S-200 30 August 2013 18: 04 New
      0
      If historical memory does not fail me, then 10-15 years ago they said that already the 5th generation will be unmanned ... And now they have no firm confidence in the "unmanned" of the 6th
      request
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 17 New
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        Quote: S-200
        If historical memory does not fail me, then 10-15 years ago they said that already the 5th generation will be unmanned ... And now they have no firm confidence in the "unmanned" of the 6th
        \
        Sorry, of course, comrade iksperdbut spelled UNMANNED.
        You want to look at underscores.
        Not ashamed?
        1. S-200
          S-200 31 August 2013 15: 00 New
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          Mr. Atata, I basically don’t like the prefix "devil"in Russian, we don’t need to breed demons ...
          In addition, the aircraft can operate in automatic mode WITHOUT pilot, but not at all BESS pilot ...
          Although - BES knows him! wassat
          Think of it as my near-spelling whim ...
          I apologize in advance for my BESSliteracy ... hi
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  3. alone
    alone 30 August 2013 15: 59 New
    +2
    All the same, we need to strengthen the work with the fifth generation. Competitors also work hard.
    1. alone
      alone 30 August 2013 18: 09 New
      +4
      wassat okay, persuaded !! no need to intensify work with the fifth generation !! and competitors generally fell asleep as marmots. wassat
  4. gregor6549
    gregor6549 30 August 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    The race of "generations" is great, but the main thing is to have the Air Force ready at every moment to masterfully apply what is available and provide what is available, those who operate it and their families with everything necessary.
    And then even the existing “flyers” will be quite capable of applying any generation of “adversary flyers” against hell.
  5. Stiletto
    Stiletto 30 August 2013 16: 15 New
    +2
    With all the love for domestic aviation, this tale eerily reminded me of how "the spacecraft of the Bolshoi Theater plow the expanses of the universe."
    Before rubbing so sincerely over the sixth generation, answer why:
    - in combat units still fly on fourth-generation airplanes (at best)?
    - more SU planes are exported to China and India than are supplied to the Russian Air Force, and why are those that come in so badly assembled that our pilots contemptuously call it "flyers"?
    - why are we, with a smart look, talking about the sixth generation, postpone the adoption of the T-50 from 2014 to 2017 year (and so far, what will happen in 17, while it is not known for certain, maybe the dates have been shifted again).
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 30 August 2013 16: 44 New
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      Quote: Stiletto
      and why are those that do arrive so horribly assembled that our pilots contemptuously call this "flyers"?

      Proof in the studio.
      Quote: Stiletto
      Before rubbing so sincerely over the sixth generation, answer why:
      - in combat units still fly on fourth-generation airplanes (at best)?

      You know, I don’t want to offend you with a harsh comment, or minus you, but think for yourself.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 2 September 2013 09: 27 New
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        Quote: ATATA
        You know, I don’t want to offend you with a harsh comment, or minus you, but think for yourself.


        A similar situation, which is why someone put you minus correcting zero. I do not discuss your right to have an opinion.
    2. Genry
      Genry 30 August 2013 18: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Stiletto
      why are those that do arrive so horribly assembled that our pilots contemptuously call this "flyers"?

      And you your wife, in the circle of friends, as you call?
      Man is always not enough, always dissatisfied. Could-be called "shit-carts," but here self-criticism works.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 2 September 2013 09: 28 New
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        Quote: Genry
        And you your wife, in the circle of friends, as you call?


        Definitely not a "flyer" laughing
        And for what purpose are you interested in? winked
  6. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 August 2013 16: 20 New
    +5
    In Russia, tests of the fifth generation T-50 fighter are now being completed.

    Here, even before completion, as before ... the ISS on foot. The goal is visible, but to go far. Put in the T-50 series, put heavy drones in service, then, with experience in their use, we can talk about the 6-m unmanned generation.
    And then with the race for the super fighter, marine and transport aircraft were completely abandoned.
    1. experienced
      experienced 30 August 2013 16: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      And then with the race for the super fighter, marine and transport aircraft were completely abandoned.

      Greetings Denis hi But Rogozin on Twitter with the general designer of Antonov Design Bureau "ramsit" and everyone is so happy about it angry
      “Now Russia has practically frozen the An-70 program. I heard an interview with Rogozin (Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin), who called him a “virtual” aircraft and a competitor to IL-76. Only an incompetent person in aviation can say this, ”said Kiva, whose words are quoted by Interfax.

      In response to the statements of Kiva, Rogozin wrote in his microblog on Twitter: "There is nothing to NODE in the mirror, if ...".


      Damn, Russia invested money in this plane, but there is a treaty, penalties are probably provided. Have you been set to “slander” or to protect the interests of the country in your department? am
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 30 August 2013 16: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      Here, even before completion, as before ... the ISS on foot. The goal is visible, but to go far. Put in the T-50 series, put heavy drones in service, then, with experience in their use, we can talk about the 6-m unmanned generation.
      And then with the race for the super fighter, marine and transport aircraft were completely abandoned.

      When you go forward, look only under your breath, or all the same further?
      1. experienced
        experienced 30 August 2013 16: 53 New
        +4
        Quote: ATATA
        When you go forward, look only under your breath, or all the same further?

        I catch a word wassat
        Is it more convenient for you to walk, how do normal people walk or with binoculars? Without doing one, take on the other ... Everything is fine with YES, with transporters, with tankers with AWACS ... Can we do what is needed now, and not space projections? How do they push us about a future aircraft carrier with unusual features
        1. Genry
          Genry 30 August 2013 18: 52 New
          -1
          You, by chance, are not a relative of Marshal Budenny. They say that because of him they shot Tukhachevsky, who needed rockets and not horses.
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 30 August 2013 16: 53 New
        +4
        When I work on one complex project, I’ll ruin it so that it goes as it should. And then I’ll destroy only after the previous one has worked. I do not argue, basic research is important. But scatter phrases like this, they say we are already working and we know how and what the 6 generation will be ... chatter.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          When I work on one complex project, I’ll ruin it so that it goes as it should. And then I’ll destroy only after the previous one has worked. I do not argue, basic research is important. But scatter phrases like this, they say we are already working and we know how and what the 6 generation will be ... chatter.

          Do not confuse yourself and the state.
          What complex project are you working on now, if not secret?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 04 New
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            Who cares?
            Do you prefer the state to run headlong ahead to the 6, 7 generation, throwing huge resources into it and it is not known when it is waiting for the result? We do not live in the golden age ... you will not have armies here and now - they will gnaw.
  7. denson06
    denson06 30 August 2013 16: 52 New
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    They’ll finalize it with electronics ... and the engine is not ready for the native one .. but very soon!
    The sky should be locked - it is a fact!
    Hats off to the creators hi
  8. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 August 2013 16: 57 New
    +5
    Okay, guys don’t mess around ..))) Our designers are already thinking about the future .. It's great !! What they produce now is in the dashing 90s (when they didn’t pay and it was empty in stores) and the designer is hungry gritting their teeth with their teeth they worked on creating these beauties who are now striking the whole world with their technical and flight parameters .. Thank you so much for not escaping like many at that time .. and saved by putting all this into these machines !! They need to put monuments in their lifetime. .
  9. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 30 August 2013 17: 06 New
    +3
    Well, at least they caught on in time, but how about a rapper ... I think that they began to ask these questions not after the secret viewing of the movie "Stealth" by the military.
  10. nazgul-ishe
    nazgul-ishe 30 August 2013 17: 44 New
    +1
    4,4 +, 4 ++. So, will we add crosses to Soviet technology?
    Those designers who worked for food and drink did the technique.
    Now Mistral, Iveco, etc., etc.
  11. mole
    mole 30 August 2013 17: 59 New
    +1
    As far as I understand, Colleagues, the main difference between the 6th and the 5th is unmanned. So, probably first you need to create the software and the element base for artificial intelligence, make it work as it should, and you can even wind up this stray even on the AN-2. If the element base is appropriate, then the algorithms in the software can always be changed to fit the specific fuselage and weapons. Then Mig 21 can be returned to the system. winked
    1. Genry
      Genry 30 August 2013 18: 30 New
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      Shuttle "Buran" for a long time (!) Flew in unmanned mode and when landing, it scared developers a lot (an extra round of approach).
      Autopilots have long been used (!) In civilian aircraft.
      PAK-FA can do both (the pilot can sleep ;-).

      You don’t have to play the quiz here (IBM Watson).
      Here you need orientation and the choice of a battle strategy based on several moves.
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 30 August 2013 22: 49 New
        +2
        Read komenty .... both Buran and a citizen fly according to a given program ... and a military aircraft will have to think for itself because the target can change coordinates, and only the brain and AI can think, and no one has created AI in the world yet .... only elements of it ...
  12. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 August 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    The sixth generation will also probably be 5+ and 5 ++ first. We have not put it into service yet for the 5th generation, so it is still necessary to teach the machines how to do everything that the designers will give them. Then we’ll just begin to understand what needs to be done and can be done up to 5+, and then roll out the prototype 6. For at least 15 years. Scientific research is not a pancake, wait a couple of years for a utopia result. And the introduction of a couple of years is also a utopia. In the meantime, we will dream beautifully. And we will pray for the PAK-FA T-50 and PAK-DA in the project. And SibNIA at MAKS presented the alteration of the An-2 in skin and erysipelas. Yes it is yesterday. It’s time to move forward.
    1. Cyber7
      Cyber7 30 August 2013 23: 25 New
      +1
      You shouldn’t be so, dear. Steeper than the AN-2 in impassable latitudes was and is only MI-8. And since such aircraft are now in full corral, I would only like to dream about as many AN-2s in the Trans-Ural space as possible. There they oh how are needed.
  13. shpuntik
    shpuntik 30 August 2013 18: 07 New
    +4
    Russian aircraft designers have already begun developing a sixth generation unmanned fighter, former Army Commander Peter Deinekin, former commander-in-chief of the Air Force of Russia, said on the eve of the MAKS-2013 air show.

    In the Union they silently built, without show-offs and “generations”. Yes, and even secret mercilessly. And there was a sense.
    Now the 5th generation has not been put on the wing, bravura statements have already appeared. Why is this bragging? It would be better to be silent. My opinion: do not say gop until you jump over.
    Or maybe it's marketing like that? request
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 30 August 2013 20: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: shpuntik
      Now the 5th generation has not been put on the wing, bravura statements have already appeared. Why is this bragging? It would be better to be silent. My opinion: do not say gop until you jump over.

      From the beginning of development, to the first sample, the path is long. So what for time to lose.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 30 August 2013 20: 53 New
        +2
        rus69 SU Today, 20:34 ↑ New
        From the beginning of development, to the first sample, the path is long. So what for time to lose.

        Clearly long, I'm not saying not to start. Each missile launch, each fired aircraft is discussed publicly. It looks like PR. We were led to the fact that one aircraft released becomes an event. Instead of reducing the cost of kilowatts, gasoline, energy, for example. I’m not talking about taxes, it’s not profitable to work in Russia. If energy is not driven into China in the form of crude oil, but processed, then production in Russia can be made profitable, despite the cold climate.
  14. darksoul
    darksoul 30 August 2013 18: 09 New
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    The sixth generation, in fact, already exists, the Americans are already using unmanned percussion devices for the whole .... we need to quickly master these areas and reduce the backlog, it’s good that there is work in this direction, but we have far up to the 6th generation in the army, it would be faster 4 ++ go and bring to mind and put into the t-50 series
    1. teleset
      teleset 30 August 2013 21: 32 New
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      And here not only scientists should work, but also the FSB should be connected. The secret technology of unmanned aerial vehicles in the United States must also be fished, as they once did and continue to steal from us, the same flurry, for example.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 49 New
      +1
      The sixth generation is essentially already there, the Americans are already using unmanned percussion devices for the whole

      This is not the sixth generation. These are remotely controlled airplanes and that’s it. Moreover, with disgusting maneuverability and low combat load.
      1. Cyber7
        Cyber7 30 August 2013 23: 28 New
        +1
        UAVs of the 6th generation should be able to flap their wings and dive into the water. :)
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 30 August 2013 23: 33 New
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          Quote: Cyber7
          UAVs of the 6th generation should be able to flap their wings and dive into the water. :)


          The idea is interesting, but unattainable for the 21st century.
          1. Cyber7
            Cyber7 31 August 2013 01: 39 New
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            Is not a fact. The 21st century has just begun. One hundred years ago, only plywood planes flew in the air.
            1. svp67
              svp67 31 August 2013 01: 44 New
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              Quote: Cyber7
              Is not a fact. The 21st century has just begun. One hundred years ago, only plywood planes flew in the air.
              and they had the speed of movement at which modern cars are now moving ... whether it will be in a century ...
  15. evil hamster
    evil hamster 30 August 2013 18: 11 New
    +4
    "In Russia, tests of the fifth generation T-50 fighter are now being completed. Meanwhile, the leading European countries, according to analysts, will not create the fifth generation of military aircraft at all, but will immediately switch to the sixth unmanned aircraft."
    These are some kind of too enthusiastic analysts. EEC Eurofighter tormented for 30 years. Europe does not need fighters of either 5 or 6 generations, they have other priorities, the struggle for the rights of the LGBT community, for example, and all that. Apparently, the creation of the 6th tribe is not a fact that the USA will take up the future. Most likely, the number of zeros in the amount Lockheed or Boeing will ask for this case will break the pattern even for the Republican Senate itself.

    Yuri Klishin: First, the level of artificial intelligence. Secondly, a higher level of robotization and automation. Also for new models characterized by an increased level of reliability of the equipment and autonomy. Add to this the increased level of all vision equipment, which includes location, optics, infrared radiation, and ultraviolet. And, of course, we can talk about a higher level of noise immunity. That is, the designers are working to ensure that any interference does not disable the aircraft, allowing it to perform the combat mission.
    With all due respect, it is not clear what prevents all this from being implemented on 5th generation machines. In general, this is all just a theory so far, in the good world there is only 1 5th generation machine in the ranks, there are neither statistics nor the practice of combat use because the world is tightly seated on 4. And while there is no real understanding of what is wrong with the 5th generation, it is impossible to seriously talk about the 6th, there is no basis for analysis.
    Yes, moral aging is happening faster. Therefore, you need to create a technique that does not have long calendar life, but has a large resource. We used to have an approach of 20, 30 years of aircraft service. Su-27, for example, has been in operation for 30 years. This will not work.
    I disagree (it’s not clear that my opinion on this issue is not credible, but even so) :) All practice shows that despite the widespread introduction of CAD technologies using special computing systems, the number of human hours for creating 1 nifig machine does not decrease, development time grow at all and all successfully disrupt the terms of design, testing, etc. It’s just that the machines have become much more complicated, the same Su-27s and Su-35s, and blood from the blood would have been a goat — however, due to the side 35, it’s more complicated and laborious. So the terms of the "life" of an aircraft type are not only not decreasing, but only growing and will continue to grow until a qualitative breakthrough occurs - similar to the transition from a piston engine to a jet engine.
  16. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 30 August 2013 18: 29 New
    +1
    For each plus, especially to the figure 4, here everyone will be given MINUS ...
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: sergey158-29
      For each plus, especially to the figure 4, here everyone will be given MINUS ...

      I'm shocked myself!
      Started development of the 6th.
      "NO IT'S BAD !!!! BREAT THE MIND MIG-21 !!!"
      Keyboard patriots.
      1. experienced
        experienced 30 August 2013 20: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: ATATA
        I’m shocked myself! We started the development of the 6th. "NO THIS IS BAD !!!! BECOME THE MIG-21 MIND !!!" Keyboard patriots.

        Alexey hi reduce emotions a little drinks
        Let's look at what has been happening lately (after the allocation of the defense industry 20 trillions) continuous mega-projects for the "development" of funds in almost all types of weapons:
        shooting (new machine)
        Armored vehicles (Armata, Kurganets)
        - aviation
        ships
        And what is the output? plastic models, failure to meet deadlines, attempt to transfer to another, etc.
        What is being developed is delayed, but with the bravura slogans: "We will show Armata !!! No, Armata will not show this secret !!!" Kurgan is the same. Eveka then buy, then cut ...
        Ships and nuclear submarines do not even want to say, the USC is probably the most "washing-mastering" body
        There is only one laugh, the bar has been added and everyone is happy ...
        The uniforms and equipment show and show, but how many troops did they buy?
        Why rejoice? IMHO
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 21 New
          +2
          Let's look at what has been happening lately (after the allocation of the defense industry 20 trillions) continuous mega-projects for the "development" of funds in almost all types of weapons:
          shooting (new machine)
          Armored vehicles (Armata, Kurganets)
          - aviation
          ships

          And did you think the latest technology in itself appears? Or donated by someone for free?
          Yes - models, yes - failure to meet deadlines, yes - hard trials. But they are testing, modifying and adopting it!
          1. experienced
            experienced 30 August 2013 22: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            And did you think the latest technology in itself appears? Or donated by someone for free?

            Denis, I said my thoughts hi I am a patriot of my country, but probably an optimist loaded with knowledge winked Well, to you from VAF + wink
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 30 August 2013 22: 57 New
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              So no one said it would be easy. hi
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 18 New
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        "NO IT'S BAD !!!! BREAT THE MIND MIG-21 !!!"
        Keyboard patriots.

        In vain you distort. About MiG-21 out of the question. We still haven’t really set the T-50 on the wing, but already about the 6-m generation we have been dreaming.
  17. Black
    Black 30 August 2013 18: 39 New
    +1
    It’s stupid to even argue about whether we need to work on the 6th, 7th generation. No doubt necessary. France begins, it was infa that in the next 3-5 years, Japan will begin to question. They then integrate, but we don’t have anyone with it, we have to go all the way for ourselves, because the fundamental development to begin 10-15 years before practice is the smallest.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 30 August 2013 20: 24 New
      0
      Quote: Chen
      It’s stupid to even argue about whether we need to work on the 6th, 7th generation. No doubt necessary. France begins, it was infa that in the next 3-5 years, Japan will begin to question. They then integrate, but we don’t have anyone with it, we have to go all the way for ourselves, because the fundamental development to begin 10-15 years before practice is the smallest.

      Thank you!
      How few wise people are here.
      The site is dressed up.
  18. dmit-xnumx
    dmit-xnumx 30 August 2013 18: 46 New
    0
    A person (a scientist-engineer-constructor) Creative is simply obliged to dream, fantasize, like a Dream, an Idea, to translate into a finished product, but at the same time he should bring to the maximum readiness to the maximum what he has already invented and reproduced in reality. And less talk about your plans in public.
  19. Krsk
    Krsk 30 August 2013 19: 09 New
    0
    They were not at all surprised if he would multiply by “atoms” in the first “pairs” of any “six-track” adversary.
  20. voliador
    voliador 30 August 2013 19: 32 New
    0
    Scientific thought should not stand still, all the more so that initially TK for a project, etc. will be developed. So go ahead.
  21. varov14
    varov14 30 August 2013 20: 17 New
    +2
    I’m a miner and I don’t enter aircraft manufacturing, but having common sense and logic, but what the hell is that? Scientists can work at least on the 10th generation, but for war? It turns out, judging from the article, different coatings are possible with different materials for the invisibility of the aircraft. What prevents to paint the plane 2 generations. A new intellect - the usual one, I suppose, is a computer - install. Put the most up-to-date “10” generation radar installation, and missile weapons. Well, theirs flies like a rapper there, and a dozen of us meet, they see each other for the "hundred" km., Shoot, if the rockets are good, then the billions will end, but if ours are still maneuverable, they’ll also get away from oncoming missiles . Where is the puncture in logic?
    1. wax
      wax 30 August 2013 21: 55 New
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      The puncture in the logic is that you can color the table, attach wings to it and tie the engine with laces from the shoes, hereinafter in your text.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 30 August 2013 22: 07 New
        +2
        But they don’t. It is quite logical. What prevents you from putting the latest models of radars, missiles, engines on the same Su-35? Stick AI there? Replace the skin in order to withstand a long supersonic flight? Obviously not laziness of designers. But what do we get? 5 or 6 generation?
        The T-50 has been tested for more than 2 years, including static and bench tests, right? And still questions arise as to how he will behave in a given situation. F-22 flies even more, childhood illnesses also sometimes torment. And then the 6-th generation, and even with AI.
        How to experience something that you even have little idea about? To ask AI is he healthy? Does the left wheel hurt after yesterday's hard landing? Is heartburn tormented by new fuel?
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  23. studentmati
    studentmati 30 August 2013 20: 59 New
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    "It will be the most silent aircraft"

    For me, a strange criterion for evaluating effectiveness ???
  24. Roman_999
    Roman_999 30 August 2013 21: 01 New
    +1
    I still did not believe in technology without pilot control, considered it something fanciful and invented, until I saw how Masters shoot in World of Tanks and then on airplanes - boys and adult uncles seriously, calmly, confidently fight - knowing that losing will not die, I think that is what determined my position FOR unmanned (console) control. Better to lose pieces of iron - than people.
    Threat Real PILOTs do not have to sit in their glands. Think about it.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 August 2013 21: 25 New
      +1
      Threat Real PILOTs do not have to sit in their glands. Think about it.

      Nobody argues with that. The problem is that it’s very difficult to control a tank or plane in battle using a screen. This is not a game. Ask any pilot or driver - he would rather "feel the car" than look at the screen with numbers.
  25. Avenger711
    Avenger711 31 August 2013 03: 29 New
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    Some kind of verbal diarrhea.
    The issues of remote control and artificial intelligence for creating a genuine UAV have little to do with generations of aircraft, provided that these tasks are solved, the development of the aircraft itself will be simplified by several times, since the aircraft itself will also be simplified. Most likely it will simplify to a cruise missile.

    Hypersound requires fundamentally new technologies and is useless for tactical aircraft. However, the modern 4th generation in fact is mainly subsonic with the possibility of a short-term exit to supersonic.

    And only an absolutely incompetent person can say that the life of the aircraft has decreased. On the contrary, it has grown, both because of a reduction in armies in the post-Soviet era and an increase in the development time of replacement models, and because of an emphasis on technological ceilings, when the construction of a machine is several percent more effective and makes it more expensive and meaningless.
  26. Debryansk
    Debryansk 31 August 2013 03: 42 New
    0
    We cannot stop the latest developments if we want the armed forces to receive the latest combat vehicles
  27. Far East
    Far East 31 August 2013 04: 24 New
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    I read all the comments laughing I got to KB and where are the sponsors? Spec., Nat., Pisces. Well, you give a pancake! hi good
  28. Alex
    Alex 31 August 2013 04: 49 New
    +1
    In no case should one stop at what has been achieved. Forumans, who are unhappy with the fact that the developers took up the 6th generation, in all likelihood have little idea of ​​how the development of new products takes place. There are many stages in development, starting from the issuance of technical specifications for development. and only after that the actual design begins. This is a very long process. Our lagging behind the 5th generation fighter is the result of stagnation in 90 years. So now everything is going as it should. Only some responsible comrades need to shrug about this matter less.
  29. Koronik
    Koronik 31 August 2013 08: 55 New
    0
    We can when we want.
  30. saag
    saag 31 August 2013 12: 48 New
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    Quote: Wedmak
    The problem is that it’s very difficult to control a tank or plane in battle using a screen. This is not a game. Ask any pilot or driver - he would rather "feel the car" than look at the screen with numbers.

    Well, let’s say this - the matter is in the interface, it’s hard to control from the screen, for example, there are videos on the Internet taken from a camera installed on an aircraft model and broadcasting images on glasses such as FatShark (flying through the camera), the effect of being like you’re in the cockpit
    1. Cyber7
      Cyber7 1 September 2013 17: 13 New
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      Low frequencies, as you know, a person "hears" not with his ears, but with the entire surface of the body. Sitting in a tank, for example, and feeling "ass" is one thing. No microphones and speakers will be able to tell me by sound that my engine has leaked oil. But the "ass" will clearly say about it. And the devices will confirm this slightly.
      There are two oils in the tank. And pressure is measured only one at a time.
      Something like that.
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