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Problems with the supply of Ukrainian armored vehicles

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Problems with the supply of Ukrainian armored vehicles



The difficult political and economic situation of Ukraine requires its leadership to take measures to restore the country's industrial potential, including the defense sector.

In 2012, Ukraine officially ranked fourth in the world as a seller weapons. At the same time, according to some experts, the Ukrainian exporters of weapons and military equipment are particularly interested in the market of third countries, with some of them being world "outcasts": Sudan, Thailand, Georgia, Libya, Sri Lanka, Ethiopia, Iraq, etc. d. According to them, the fact that Ukraine has sold weapons and "dual-use" weapons to countries with a difficult political and military situation is being carefully concealed from the world community. Thus, according to a number of news agencies, Ukraine supplied military equipment and weapons to South Sudan during a confrontation between the Liberation Army of South Sudan and the Sudan People’s Liberation Army. The reason for the conflict was the division of oil fields in one of the areas of Sudan. Civil war engulfed the whole of Sudan. Human rights activists claim that it is precisely the deliveries of military equipment by Ukraine to the parties to the conflict that provoke its aggravation.

Sudan is one of the largest buyers of Ukrainian weapons. Prime Minister of Ukraine N. Azarov has repeatedly said at negotiations with the leadership of Sudan that the potential of the two countries makes it possible to increase trade between them tenfold. Political dialogue makes the expansion of economic cooperation in many areas: for example, energy, agriculture, construction, transport, mining.

In October 2009, between the state company of Ukraine Spetstekhnoexport and the Military Industrial Corporation of the Ministry of Defense of Sudan (Military Industrial Corporation - MIC), a contract was signed for the supply of a significant batch of ground weapons: 110 tanks T-72M1, 60 T-55M tanks and one hundred and twenty armored personnel carriers BTR-3E1. A party of tanks arrived in Sudan from the warehouses of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. These tanks were already repaired on the spot. As for the armored personnel carriers, they, according to the terms of the contract, must be of new production and delivered with the spare parts set in the contract, the Sturm-3MS combat module and additional protection. The total cost of the contract was about € 70 million, and parts for equipment were purchased for € 7 million.

It was assumed that this contract will be part of a larger supply of arms to Ukraine to Sudan, the financial component of which is equal to several hundred million euros. By 2012, the terms of the contract regarding the supply of tanks were completely fulfilled by Ukraine. In addition, Sudan was supplied with 30 BMP-1, 30 of MLRS BM-21 Grad machines, BTR-70D (command and control vehicle), 41 self-propelled howitzer. But with regard to the commitments on the supply of one hundred and twenty BTR-3Е1, the Ukrainian side faced enormous difficulties. By 2012, only ten vehicles were transferred to Sudan, but the Sudanese military also had big complaints about them due to the unsatisfactory quality of military vehicles. The failure of delivery times and poor quality of equipment led to the fact that the Sudanese side was forced to abandon the supply of 110 BTR-3Е1. It should be noted that after receiving small lots from Ukrainian manufacturers of BTR-3EX1, customers from Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, the United Arab Emirates and Myanmar also refused to receive these armored personnel carriers.

Perhaps it would be wrong to place all responsibility for the production of low-quality military equipment on the Ukrainian machine builders. After all, members of the international consortium - ADCOM MANUFECTCHERING Company Limited WLL (UAE), Doyts AG (Germany), Kharkov Design Bureau for Mechanical Engineering named after. A.A. Morozova (Ukraine), State Scientific and Technical Center of Artillery and Rifle Armament (Ukraine), Allison Transmyshen (USA) and other co-workers.

The coordinator and the driving force of the whole project was the ADCOM MANAGEMENT CHURCHING Company. Each member of the consortium made a feasible contribution to the creation of a new combat vehicle of the ground forces. For example, Kharkov machine builders were responsible for the development of the chassis and the integration of all the systems of the machine and weapons on the chassis. The engine was made in Germany. The power plant and transmission was installed in the Kharkov engineering design bureau for them. A.A. Morozova together with the companies Deutz AG and Allison Transmyshen. The armament of the armored personnel carrier was designed by the State Scientific and Technical Center of Artillery and Small Arms of Ukraine. And although outwardly the new BTR is very similar to the Soviet BTR-80, the creators claim that the combat vehicle is completely new and not a modernized Soviet model.

Ukraine is taking measures to establish the export of military equipment and weapons and the beginning of the effective and speedy rearmament of its own army. But there are not enough financial resources in the country to carry out such ambitious plans. Given that some enterprises are in private hands, and defense enterprises are subordinate to various departments, the solution of the task of rearmament is much more complicated. It is not known how long Ukraine will be able to retain its leading position as a global arms supplier in such a situation. In addition, the Ukrainian authorities have not formulated any real strategy for the development of their defense industry. It is unlikely that participation in international consortia on the development of weapons and equipment will allow Ukraine to strengthen its political and economic position in the world.

Materials used:
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/594362.html
http://vz.ru/news/2013/8/16/645931.html
http://ak-inzt.net/world/1123-29-06-2012
http://econo.com.ua/2010/09/tailand-zakupit-100-ukrainskix-btr-3e1/
http://www.morozov.com.ua/rus/body/btr3u.php
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  1. Denis
    Denis 29 August 2013 08: 12
    +7
    Perhaps it would be wrong to blame on Ukrainian machine builders all responsibility for the production of low-quality military equipment
    It is suspicious that this problem arose suddenly. Is it the first time they sell equipment?
    It's not about quality, but about undercover fuss
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 29 August 2013 09: 51
      +1
      Quote: Denis
      Suspiciously this problem arises.

      ... and there will be even more problems after Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU. Our so-called "linked agreements" will come into force - if you want these weapons (and Ukrainian manufacturers do not produce them), then buy from us what you bought in .... or refuse what you bought in ....
      A lot of components came for samples of b / t from Russia and in the form of ready-made units ... and in the form provided on the basis of cooperation rights, new technologies ... because. we will not be satisfied with the "end user" certificate provided by the Ukrainian. side.
      Here, the same is possible that the "red" light flashing at a traffic light.
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 August 2013 10: 05
        +2
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Our so-called "linked agreements" will come into force - if you want these weapons (and Ukrainian manufacturers do not produce them), then buy from us

        Each about his own. Are you tired of these horror stories? FTA is not bondage with chains. What about weapons. Ukraine does not produce only combat aircraft. And their purchase is not planned in the near future.
      2. Kars
        Kars 29 August 2013 10: 08
        +4
        of them are world "outcasts": Sudan, Thailand, Georgia, Libya, Sri Lanka, Ethiopia, Iraq


        Cool. And what about the Russian Federation in Sudan and Iraq supplying something. Or it is going to supply. And about Thailand in this list I’m surprised, but Georgia is an outcast only for the Russian Federation.


        By the 2012 year, only ten vehicles were handed over to Sudan, but the Sudanese military also has big complaints about them due to the unsatisfactory quality of military vehicles

        I wonder where it is written? Official Sudanese authorities say this?
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 30 August 2013 02: 39
        +1
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Quote: Denis
        Suspiciously this problem arises.

        ... and there will be even more problems after Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU. Our so will come into force


        But these problems will not become. Ukrainian industry will be shut down and transferred to European and Chinese imports. Why else can Ukraine be pulled into the EU? Only as a new market ...
  2. Akim
    Akim 29 August 2013 09: 03
    +2
    I did not know that Georgia was a global outcast. In general, now the biggest buyer of Ukrainian armored vehicles is Thailand.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 10: 07
      +5
      Let's start with the fact that no international sanctions were imposed on Georgia, so Ukraine was quite legally selling weapons to it. Secondly, it still did not help Saakashvili, and Kubinka was replenished with such a model as the BMP-1 with the Ukrainian Shkval module,
      distillation of captured BMP-1U to Russia

      however, the Chechens from the "Vostok" battalion did not let their own.

      Akim, as an undoubtedly knowledgeable person, you can explain the fate of the BTR-3 in the United Arab Emirates (the starting customer who financed its development), Myanmar, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan - when, after receiving small batches of BTR-3, the customers refused to further receive this equipment. I will not recall the Iraqi contract for the supply of the BTR-4, which has set everyone on edge. In fact, of all the weapons sold, Oplot and BTR-3 sold to Thailand and BTR-3 to Nigeria are "purely Ukrainian". Yours faithfully! hi
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 August 2013 10: 42
        +2
        Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
        BTR-3 fishing in the UAE

        So they are used in the marines. As for Myanmar, I'll tell you a little later. Not accepted 40 BTR-4s are already in Mumbai. I gave up my fishing rods, but the Indians say that the local press is not writing anything yet.
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 10: 58
          +1
          Dear Akim, two questions immediately arise: how many BTR-3s in the UAE that financed the development of this BTR-3 also first wanted 120, then 90, and as a result got one, and also got sick.
          Ecuador BTR-3 never ordered.
          Second, what are the BTR-4s doing in India if the final destination of their supply is Iraq?
          It should also be noted that the pace of setting new models into production is quite fast:
          - BTR-3 - about two years
          - BTR-4 - also about two years
          - BM "Oplot" - a little less than two years.

          There are and were problems with increasing the pace of production, after the release of the first serial batches (BTR-3 and BTR-4) it took from six months to a year before reaching a pace sufficient to fulfill the contract. Most likely, a similar situation will develop with the "Oplot".
          Yours! hi
          1. Akim
            Akim 29 August 2013 11: 46
            +2
            Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
            at first they wanted 120, then 90, but as a result they got one, and they got sick too.

            Both English and Spanish sources say there are 90. Someone may know more.
            Myanmar has suspended (not canceled) the contract due to financial problems.
            I don’t know what the fours are doing in India, but in Iraq the ship wasn’t unloaded.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 29 August 2013 12: 13
              0
              Quote: Akim
              Both English and Spanish sources say



              Akim, please pass on to comrade Yanukovych so that he can quickly establish his relations with GDP smile and then the flow of negative articles in relation to Ukraine will increase even more .... wassat then they predict a quick demise of the country)) then the armored personnel carriers do not work))) then Chernobyl will explode again soon ...... the fact that Ukrainians. planes fall every day ...)))) thank God they don’t write about Ukrainian beauties
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 August 2013 13: 39
                +3
                Quote: smersh70
                Akim, please pass on to comrade Yanukovych so that he can quickly establish his relations with GDP

                My pathetic squeak in that stream of information will not be heard. Maybe you will try, at least Azarov?
                https://www.facebook.com/Nikolay.Azarov
            2. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 12: 29
              +2
              Well, if you read Wiki, Myanmar has 368 BTR-3E
              Current BTR-3 operators (from wiki):

              Azerbaijan: 6 BTR-3 / 12.7
              Chad: 8 BTR-3U
              Ecuador: 3 BTR-3U ordered
              Kazakhstan: 2 BTR-3E
              Myanmar: 368 BTR-3U delivered as of Jan 2013 (1,000 ordered) [4]
              Nigeria: 30 BTR-3UN, 6 BTR-3UK, 4 BTR-3UR and 7 BTR-3E / 14.5 [3]
              Thailand: 96 BTR-3E1s delivered with the price tag of 4 billion baht, 120 more on order from Ukraine.
              United Arab Emirates: 90 Guardians
              Ukraine: Expected to replace older options in the coming years.
              That is, it turns out that Myanmar has more BTR-3s than Thailand and Nigeria combined. As you want dear Akim, but I will answer only one "I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!". Yours faithfully! hi
              1. Akim
                Akim 29 August 2013 12: 34
                +3
                Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                I will answer only one "I DO NOT BELIEVE !!!".

                And me too. I said - attached. They received only a company, but they are actively exploited.
                1. Jake danzels
                  Jake danzels 29 August 2013 12: 40
                  0
                  Akim, but you do not own the info. What tests did the BTR-3 pass in Myanmar?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim 29 August 2013 12: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Jake Danzels
                    and you do not own info what tests did the BTR-3 pass in Myanmar?

                    Only Thailand. I can ask the locals. Myanmar is bad with English and I never corresponded with them.
                    1. Jake danzels
                      Jake danzels 29 August 2013 12: 54
                      0
                      If you share info on Thailand I will be grateful.
                      1. Akim
                        Akim 29 August 2013 13: 06
                        0
                        What is it?
                      2. Jake danzels
                        Jake danzels 29 August 2013 14: 14
                        +1
                        Interested in the test program, what was included in it. If there were comments / suggestions, then what.
              2. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 12: 44
                +1
                I agree with Myanmar, here are the photos:



                they are exploiting really actively, but clarify the situation with the delivery of the BTR-3 to the UAE when the delivery took place, because the BMPD, for example, claims that there was no delivery. Arm-guide also does not provide information
                http://www.army-guide.com/rus/product3874.html
                . May give a link to the source to clarify the situation. Yours faithfully! hi
                1. Akim
                  Akim 29 August 2013 13: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
                  . May give a link to the source to clarify the situation.

                  I said, who knows more, I will believe that. I do not pretend to be the palm. I have not been interested in this before. I looked in Africa Defense and TankNat - so they write that there were deliveries.
                  http://africadefensejournal.wordpress.com/
                  http://tanknutdave.com/
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 13: 49
                    +1
                    Dear Akim, I followed your link
                    http://tanknutdave.com/the-ukrainian-guardian-ifv/

                    perators
                    Azerbaijan - 6 BTR-3 / 12.7
                    Chad - 8 BTR-3U
                    Ecuador - 3 BTR-3U ordered
                    Kazakhstan - 2 BTR-3E
                    Myanmar - 210 BTR-3U (1,000 ordered)
                    Nigeria - 30 BTR-3UN, 6 BTR-3UK, 4 BTR-3UR and 7 BTR-3E / 14.5
                    Thailand - 96 BTR-3E1 delivered with the price tag of 4 billion Baht, 120 more on order from the Ukraine. The first 2 of 96 BTR-3E1 have been delivered at U Tapao Airport on September 17, 2010.
                    United Arab Emirates - 90 Guardians
                    And again, Myanmar-210 BTR-3, and this somehow makes me doubt the sincerity. According to my data, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan in 2006 delivered only three BTR-3Es with a 12,7-mm machine gun. On the
                    http://africadefensejournal.wordpress.com/
                    Unfortunately, I didn’t find any mention of BTR-3, it’s poorly trained in languages ​​... recourse And when the armored personnel carrier was delivered to the UAE, for example, the site of the State Export Control Service of Ukraine
                    http://www.dsecu.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=47384&cat_id=47383
                    , there is any information about the transfer by Ukraine of the UAE BTR-3 for 2004-2012. not found. Regards! hi
  3. yanus
    yanus 29 August 2013 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    I did not know that Georgia was a global outcast. In general, now the biggest buyer of Ukrainian armored vehicles is Thailand.

    So they buy because it is the cheapest offer. True, the local press slandered - "like rolled back", but there fig knows him.
    In principle, for Ty, the technique is just right. They have not fought with anyone and do not plan. Is that, Cambodia in the spring near the border of the "exercise" arranged, but there are also Ukrainian weapons)
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 August 2013 11: 14
      +3
      Quote: yanus
      So they buy because it is the cheapest offer.

      Yes, this is the cheapest offer and no one is hiding it ($ 1 million 50 thousand). But Thailand is not a poor country in order to look for where to save on weapons. They are satisfied - this is the main thing. After a joint exercise in Singapore, their military also ordered a module (from their engineers) with similar fire properties.
      1. yanus
        yanus 29 August 2013 15: 46
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        But Thailand is not a poor country in order to look for where to save on weapons.

        Would you look at the flag next to my nickname, and then talk about the wealth of Thailand))
  • Cristall
    Cristall 29 August 2013 09: 31
    +3
    Perhaps it is simpler and easier and more convenient and well-established communication. Service in a stable country is much simpler than in the same Sudan and in Africa as a whole. It is quite possible there travel experts are sitting who can do maintenance on the spot and correct defects, improve something for the production of future models. Moreover, Thailand chooses a complete set and other things. We can say that they change for any whim of the client. And there is no political background as in Iraq itself (plus instability)
    Thailand against this background just wins like India like China. Note from this three complaints about the products of Kharkov (tank + air) either not heard or almost not heard.
    The point is stability and responsibility to the cause.
    Akim, do you want to get paid for Georgia here too? Alas, I will disappoint you .. we were “sentenced” for a long time for Yusch (by the way, I myself found out about this years later, and then probably from here, our media did not cover the topic and I don’t watch a zobboyaschik)
    All Ukrainians were branded with the stamp "traitor" for the deed of this great figure, a friend of the White and Georgian House. Legally, we are not to blame (we did not sell during wartime), but we will still be guilty as if you or I were sitting at the consoles tracking the Russian plane ... (distracted from the topic but warned Akim_)
    they insistently persuade us that we are to blame for everything .. either for the fact that we voted for such, or because we live here. But we are not to blame for these sins (if we take it that way). Better Akim Georgia do not touch. there is an erogenous zone (as we have Sevastopol)
    Threat by the way a convenient strategy to quarrel 2 countries (even if they have nowhere closer) you need to make a couple of nasty things to the neighbor by the hands of the leader. voila, the leader is long gone, and his stigma hangs on the people. And it’s not him (the experienced troll) who bears it, but the whole nation.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 August 2013 09: 44
      0
      Quote: Cristall
      Perhaps it is simpler and easier and more convenient and well-established communication.
      "Kristal" yes you look like from "Diamond" ...
      Of course, countries that, due to financial or political problems, are not able to buy weapons from advanced countries, will buy them where possible ... And besides, the same "advanced" countries have the opportunity to provide assistance to countries of interest to them, but not completely "comfortable", armed, as if staying on the sidelines ...
  • Ataman
    Ataman 29 August 2013 09: 46
    +3
    In 2012, Ukraine officially ranked fourth in the world as an arms seller.

    Those. overtook France and China, and now confidently ahead of Germany, Russia and the United States? A corrupt media publish ratings in which Ukraine is not at all!
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 29 August 2013 18: 00
      0
      according to SIPRI, in 2012 Ukraine was ahead of arms supplies from the United States, Russia and China. At the same time, Germany, France and Great Britain remained behind Ukraine.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 29 August 2013 10: 15
    +3
    Quote: Ataman
    In 2012, Ukraine officially ranked fourth in the world as an arms seller.

    Those. overtook France and China, and now confidently ahead of Germany, Russia and the United States? A corrupt media publish ratings in which Ukraine is not at all!

    The author just really wanted, probably, to Ukraine among the largest arms sellers. Actually, the list of the largest exporters consists of the USA (30%), Russia (26%), Germany (7%), France (6%), China (5%).
    1. Akim
      Akim 29 August 2013 10: 46
      0
      Quote: Kovrovsky
      The author just really wanted, probably, to Ukraine among the largest arms sellers

      Boval it was never possible to engage as a lover of Ukraine. Rather, the opposite.
    2. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 29 August 2013 18: 03
      0
      How much did Germany and France earn in 2012? According to all the same SIPRI, Ukraine gained $ 1,334 billion.
  • Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 29 August 2013 10: 58
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: Kovrovsky
    The author just really wanted, probably, to Ukraine among the largest arms sellers

    Boval it was never possible to engage as a lover of Ukraine. Rather, the opposite.

    Where does the data on Ukrainian arms exports come from, and without reference to the source?
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 29 August 2013 17: 57
      +1
      Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)
  • beifall
    beifall 31 August 2013 05: 19
    0
    It should be noted that after receiving small batches from Ukrainian manufacturers BTR-3E1, customers from Kazakhstan also refused to receive these armored personnel carriers. - this makes me happy! No offense to Ukraine, but it’s better to take western samples, I’m sure that pandur or French armored personnel carriers are better !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    1. Donetskiy
      Donetskiy 1 September 2013 19: 31
      0
      and signed a contract for the assembly of BTR-4