Syria's air defense: salvation or illusion?

Bashar Assad needs to try very hard to thwart the West’s plans to “reformat” his country.


Syria's air defense: salvation or illusion?


For more than a year, the attention of the whole world has been riveted on the Middle East region, where once again the fate of many peoples of Muslim countries is being decided. A new object of direct state interests of the United States and its NATO allies was Syria with the regime of Bashar al-Assad disliked by the West. The country is balancing on the verge of a real civil war with numerous human and material losses. The civilian population perishes, the opposing sides, as usual, mutually blame it on each other. Opposition forces supported by the West acquire an organized structure, unified management, receive support from armaments, ammunition, food, etc. from Turkey, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, as the land and air borders of Syria are almost open. Government forces hold cities and large populated areas, while the opposition controls about half of the country's territory, including almost the entire countryside.

Preserving the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Syria is of great geopolitical importance. Syria’s stability and power are also extremely important for Russia, which seeks to preserve its influence in the Middle East region. It is clear that military intervention by the West and the overthrow of the legitimate government of Syria will open a direct path to aggression against Iran, which, in the end, will pose a certain threat to Russia itself.

The geopolitical position of Syria is extremely unenviable. The country is in a hostile environment: Israel from the south, blazing Lebanon, unstable Palestine in the east, Iraq, and hostile Turkey from the north.

The military doctrine of Syria is based on the principle of defense sufficiency, which determines the development of the armed forces. They see Israel as the main adversary in Damascus, not excluding the threat of military conflicts with Iraq and Turkey.

The Syrian armed forces developed on the basis of these tasks and today are one of the strongest among the armed forces of the Arab world. Powerful ground forces (3 army corps, 12 divisions, 7 of them tank, 12 separate brigades, 10 special forces regiments, a separate tank regiment) are in dire need of cover from air strikes. Combat capabilities aviation Israel and Turkey are an order of magnitude superior to the Syrian air force. Undoubtedly, Syria, like any country, is unable to resist the actions of the combined group of the Air Force of the coalition of NATO states in the event they conduct air operations. Therefore, the Syrians have long been concerned about the development of an air defense system, acquiring modern air defense systems in Russia, Belarus, and China. According to experts, the air defense of Syria today is quite a formidable force.

The destruction of 22 on June 2012 by the Syrian air defenses of the Turkish reconnaissance aircraft clearly confirms this. According to many political analysts, the downed "Phantom" was almost a guarantee to prevent the upcoming NATO military intervention, rushing to the aid of the opposition. The effectiveness of the Syrian air defense is not put in any comparison with the air defense of Libya, which could not in any way withstand the modern grouping of the NATO air force.

Let's take a closer look at the state of the heroic air defense, consider some features of the construction of its components, try to give an objective assessment of the combat capabilities of the guarantor of sovereignty and the preservation of Syrian statehood.

What is in the arsenal of the Syrian air defense forces?

Syrian air defense forces are armed with anti-aircraft missile and artillery systems and complexes of both modern and obsolete types, past the Arab-Israeli war 40-year-old. At one time, the truly invaluable assistance ($ 13,4 billion of debt remained unpaid!) In the supply of weapons, training the personnel of the country had the Soviet Union, therefore, almost all weapons (not only anti-aircraft) are of Soviet and Russian origin. Today, Syria’s air defense has about 900 air defense missile systems and more 4000 anti-aircraft guns of various modifications. The greatest reach in range are the S-200 “Angara” and S-200 “Vega” (near 50 PU), C-75 “Dvina”; C-75M Volga. Israel’s extreme concern is caused by modern medium-range anti-aircraft missiles - C-300 early modifications (48 ZRK), which at the end of 2011 were allegedly supplied by Russia (according to other sources, by Belarus and China). The largest representation in the air defense system of Syria is represented by air defense systems and medium-range air defense systems, among which there are modern systems Buk-М1-2, Buk-М2Е (36 SOU, 12 ROM), as well as outdated C-125 "Neva", С -125М “Pechora” (140 PU), 200 SPU “Cube” (“Square”), 14 batteries of the OSR “Osa” (60 BM). In addition, in 2006, a contract was concluded for the supply of Syria's 50 most advanced Zrpk Pantsir-S1E, some of which are already in service. The ground forces include the Strela-1 air defense missile system, Strela-10 BM (35 units), around 4000 Strela-2 / 2М), Strela-3, and more than 2000 anti-aircraft artillery systems ZU-ZU-ZN-ZNC -23, ZSU-2-23 Shilka (4 units). Long-term storage of anti-aircraft artillery guns caliber 400 mm and 37 mm, as well as 57 mm gun KS-100.

As you can see, the bulk of the air defense missile systems and air defense systems (about 80%) are represented by obsolete IWT samples. Nevertheless, all the complexes over the past years have undergone (or are undergoing) a deep modernization and to some extent meet modern requirements.

Radar reconnaissance means are represented by П-12, П-14, П-15, П-30, П-35, П-80 locators, and radio height meters PRV-13, PRV-16, the ideology of which originates from the second half of the last century. This 30 – 40 technique years ago in the Arab-Israeli wars could still somehow stand up to the air enemy of that time, using the existing modes of tuning out various types of interference, changing operating frequencies, etc. Today these samples, first, developed a technical resource, in - secondly, hopelessly lagging behind the capabilities of the likely adversary in delivering "electronic strikes". In the best case, an air defense grouping can use these radars in peacetime while on combat duty in order to detect intruders, uncover the beginning of an attack by means of air attack (EHE), air traffic control, etc.

In order for the air defense system to work effectively, it is necessary that all its components fulfill their functional purpose, contributing to the solution of air defense tasks. It is impossible to judge the power of the air defense system on the fact of the defeat of one of the state border violators that were shot down in peacetime. The situation during the fighting will be completely different. The massive use of small air targets - elements of the WTO (type of UAV, cruise missiles, UAB, guided projectiles, etc.), the use of intensive fire and electronic countermeasures against air defense weapons, disabling the control system and intelligence, the widespread use of false and distracting goals - in such incredibly difficult conditions the air defense system will function. Reflection of the strikes of modern air aids, combined into a complex highly organized system, is possible only if it is opposed to an adequate high-performance air defense system. Here, the state and capabilities of control systems, enemy air reconnaissance and warning, a carefully organized and built anti-aircraft missile and artillery cover system (SCRA), as well as fighter-air cover (IAP) are of particular importance.

CONTROL SYSTEM

The control system for the combat operations of the Syrian air defense force groups is built according to the usual classical scheme, which unites the offices and headquarters of the air defense zones (North and South), command posts (control points) of anti-aircraft missile (artillery) formations, units and subdivisions, radio engineering units. The communication system is represented by traditional channels of tropospheric, relay, shortwave radio communication, and wired communication is also widely used.

The cover of the main territory of Syria by the air defense system. The affected areas of the C-75 ADMS are marked in red, C-125 - blue, C-200 - violet, 2K12 "Square" - green.


There are three fully computerized command posts for controlling air defense forces and assets. They allow, prior to the commencement of the air combat, to ensure the work of the command and control bodies in organizing air defense, planning combat operations, and to conduct exchange of operational-tactical information. The possibilities of centralized automated control of the combat operations of the entire air defense force are very low due to a number of reasons.

Firstly, the degree of equipment of air defense units and parts with modern means of automation is extremely low. The control system of anti-aircraft combat is represented by samples of automated control systems from anti-aircraft missile systems and systems, and the old fleet. For example, KSAU ASURK-75М (125MA), "Vector-200", "Diamond", "Senezh-M1E", "Proton", "Baikal" are used to control С-1, С-2 and С-1. were adopted in the middle of the last century. The ideology of controlling the combat operations of air defense weapons, implemented in these facilities, is absolutely no good for modern conditions and is hopelessly outdated. Available samples of automated control systems allow an automated way to solve the problems of collecting, processing, displaying and transmitting radar information in relation to the control of individual homogeneous air defense units (divisions, regiments, brigades). The centralized control of the combat operations of the mixed air defense groupings, both in the zones and in the unions, has not been implemented due to the lack of means of automated control systems for solving these tasks.

On the one hand, it is known that the decentralization of control significantly reduces the overall effectiveness of the air defense system due to the lack of interaction, omission of air targets, excessive concentration of fire, etc. Although, on the other hand, high-density EHF attacks are reflected in strong (overwhelming) interference, powerful fire resistance independent actions of anti-aircraft fire weapons can be the only effective way to solve air defense tasks. Developing detailed guidelines for firing and interaction with the distribution of the responsible space between firing units in the group and between the factions before the battle can bring the effectiveness of the air defense system to the potential one. Under these conditions, decentralized control may be preferable. A striking example of the inferiority of excessive centralization of control is the unpunished landing on Red Square of a light-engined aircraft that occurred 25 years ago, which flew through a fairly strong anti-aircraft defense grouping in the west of the USSR, which was uselessly awaiting a command from Moscow to open fire and defeat the aerial target discovered and accompanied by it.

Secondly, things are far from satisfactory with the state of the ACS fighting not only at the command post (PU) of the air defense forces, but also in the anti-aircraft weapons themselves. For example, the battery commander station PU-12 for the OSA “Osa” air defense system automatically solves only a narrow circle of tasks for linking and tracking tracks according to its own radar, recalculating the coordinates of radar images from a “digital” source. Moreover, target designation for combat vehicles has to be issued in a non-automated way, with a voice with issuing coordinates of the target, which also reduces the effectiveness of control. Considering that the Osa complexes are currently covering the C-200 brigades, for the destruction of which cruise missiles, UAB and other small-sized, speed targets can be used, the use of PU-12 in conditions of extreme shortage of time becomes almost useless.

The K-1 (“Crab”) control complex, created in 1957-1960, is used to control the Kvadrat SAM system. The complex allows on-site and in motion to visually display on the remote control of the brigade commander the air situation according to the information from the mating radar of the old park. Operators have to manually simultaneously process up to 10 targets, target them with forced guidance of guidance station antennas. To detect the enemy aircraft and issue target designation to the division, taking into account the distribution of targets and the transfer of fire, it requires 25-30 s, which is unacceptable in the conditions of modern short-term anti-aircraft combat. The range of radio links is limited and is only 15 – 20 km.

Higher capabilities are provided by the automated fire control system of modern ZRS and Buk-М2Е, С-300 and “Pantsir-С1Э” air defense missile systems (if they are delivered fully equipped with combat control points). In these means, the automated control system solves the tasks of automated decision-making for repelling air strikes (firing), setting fire tasks, monitoring their implementation, controlling the consumption of missiles (ammunition), organizing interaction, documenting combat work, etc.

Nevertheless, along with a high level of automation of fire control processes among the constituent elements of the complex, the problem of interaction with external air defense systems remains unresolved. With such a variety of means of a mixed group of air defense, the problem of organizing centralized automated management of it comes to the fore.

Thirdly, the problem is also aggravated due to the impossibility of information and technical interaction of various KSAU. The system for collecting and processing radar information with such equipment of the automated control system can only be non-automated using plates. Radar information obtained using P-12, P-14, P-15, P-30, P-35, P-80, PRV-13 and PRV-16 radars (possibly a new fleet radar) can be processed and used with the use of automated radar information processing posts (PORI-1, PORI-2), but Syria does not have any information about their presence. As a result, the enemy air reconnaissance and warning system will function with a large delay of radar information.

Thus, under the conditions of intensive fire and electronic countermeasures, the centralized control of air defense assets when it is equipped with obsolete ACS samples will undoubtedly be lost, which will reduce the potential capabilities of the group to destroy air targets.

RADIO TECHNOLOGY

The combat use of Syrian radio troops groups (RTV) of Syria has a number of characteristic features. The growing role of radio-technical forces in the air defense system in the armed conflicts of recent decades is quite obvious, the effectiveness of which mainly determines the quality of control, and hence the success of the fight against aviation and unmanned enemy vehicles. Nevertheless, one of the weak points of the Syrian air defense is radio engineering troops, equipped with outdated, fully developed radar service life. Around 50% of the radar, which are in service with radio engineering companies, battalions and brigades, require major repairs, 20-30% - the skygotovy. P-12, P-14, P-15, P-30, P-35, P-80 radars are well known to American military experts and their NATO colleagues in Vietnam, the Arab-Israeli wars and the Gulf wars.

One of the most advanced anti-aircraft weapons in Syria is the Pantsir-C1E air defense missile system.


At the same time, a significant qualitative breakthrough has occurred in the development and combat use of Western EASs over the past few decades. It is obvious that the Syrian (read, still Soviet) means of PTB are not able to effectively counter modern means of air attack for a number of reasons:

1. Low immunity grouping PTV. Radar samples designed in the middle of the last century, as well as the PTB grouping created on their basis, were able to provide combat missions under conditions of low-intensity active noise interference (up to 5 – 10 W / MHz), and in some sectors ) - under conditions of application of active noise interference of medium intensity (30 – 40 W / MHz). In the 2003 operation Shock and Thrill against Iraq, the EW forces and coalitions of the NATO countries created interference two orders of magnitude higher - up to 2-3 kW / MHz in the barrage mode and up to 30-75 kW / MHz - in targeted mode. At the same time, the RTGS and C-75 and C-125 air defense missiles, which are in service with the Iraqi air defense, were suppressed at 10-25 W / MHz.

2. Low level of automation of control over forces and radar reconnaissance equipment. The radar reconnaissance equipment in the Syrian RTV system is not able to function in a single information space due to the lack of a single automated center for collecting and processing information. The collection and processing of information in a non-automated way lead to large inaccuracies and delays in the transmission of airborne data to 4 – 10 minutes.

3. The inability to create a radar field with the required parameters. The fragmented radar field makes it possible to assess only a private air situation and make individual decisions on it to conduct combat operations. When creating a PTB group, it is necessary to take into account the geographical features of the area of ​​the forthcoming hostilities, its limited size, the presence of large zones of airspace uncontrolled by the group of radio-technical troops. Mountain areas are not well suited for deploying subunits of PTB, because the creation of a continuous radar field is extremely problematic. Opportunities for maneuvering subunits and units of the PTB are also extremely limited.

The complex terrain features allow you to create a three-band radar field with the following parameters:

- the height of the lower boundary of the continuous radar field: over the territory of Syria, in the coastal region and along the line of divorce with Israel - 500 m; on the border with Lebanon - 500; over the territory of Lebanon - 2000 m;

- on the border with Turkey - 1000 - 3000 m; on the border with Iraq - 3000 m;

- the height of the upper boundary of the solid radar field over the territory of Syria - 25 000 m;

- The depth of the radar field (removal of detection lines) beyond the Syrian-Israeli border can be 50 - 150 km;

- overlap of the radar field - two or three times;

- at heights 100 – 200 m, the radar field has only a focal character in almost all important directions.

Of course, the ongoing modernization of the Soviet-made out-of-date radar systems contributes to the effectiveness of the Syria grouping of Syria. Thus, at the beginning of 2012, the Russian radar station deployed on the mountain Jabal al-Harr, south of Damascus, and the Syrian radar station, located in Lebanon on Mount Sanin, were modernized. This led to the possibility of promptly receiving information about possible air attacks from Israel. However, to tackle the problem, a radical re-equipment of the PTB with modern efficient radar systems is necessary. Partly this happens with the delivery of air defense systems and air defense systems, which include modern radars with high power and noise immunity.

Taking into account the specifics of equipping the PTB, the terrain, the experience of the combat use of the forces and means of reconnaissance of the Syrian air enemy, we can offer a number of basic organizational and tactical recommendations.

It is expedient to introduce into the subunits of the radar reconnaissance as corner-shaped reflectors and simulators of the radar radiation stations (IRIS) of a portable type as standard elements of combat order. Install corner reflectors on false and combat (spare) positions in groups or singly at a distance of up to 300 m from the radar (SURN, SOC SOC). Portable IRIS set at a distance of several hundred meters to several kilometers from the antenna post or SURN SAM.

Use radars, disabled, but with serviceable transmitting systems as false (distracting). Such radars should be deployed in combat positions at a distance of 300 – 500 m from command posts (command and control points), switched on to carry out radiation with the onset of the enemy EIA.

Deploy the network of airborne observation posts in all control centers (PU) and in the directions of the enemy's effective action VNOs, equipping them with means of observation, communication and data transmission. For the prompt notification of overflights of the IOS, organize special operational channels for the transfer of particularly important information.

A set of organizational measures is important for increasing the secrecy of the elements of the air enemy's intelligence system. At each position, the radar should be carefully camouflaged and engineering equipment immediately after deployment. The trenches for the intelligence stations are torn off so that the lower radiator of the antenna is at ground level. All cable facilities should be carefully covered to a depth of 30-60, see. Near each radar trenches and slots should be equipped to shelter personnel. The positions of radar reconnaissance units should be replaced immediately after the overflights of reconnaissance planes, after working on radiation, even for a short time, if they are at a position of more than four hours.

To reduce the visibility of the radar in the visible and IR ranges on the surrounding background, carry out camouflage and deforming staining, create false thermal targets from improvised means (making fires, igniting torches, etc.). False thermal targets must be placed on the ground at real distances corresponding to the distances between elements of the battle formations. It is advisable to use false heat targets in combination with corner reflectors, covering them with camouflage nets.

Most of all in the Syria air defense system are obsolete medium-range air defense systems, among which, in particular, near 200 SPU Kvadrat.


In the conditions of use by the enemy of the WTO to create radar fields on duty and combat mode. Duty radar field to create on the basis of the radar standby meter-wave range, which deploy in temporary positions. The radar field of the combat mode should be created covertly on the basis of modern radars of the combat mode from the structure of the incoming air defense systems (SAM). On rocket-hazardous directions, create warning bands on the basis of low-altitude radar, as well as visual observation posts. When selecting positions for their deployment, ensure that the closure angles in the sectors of probable detection of cruise missiles do not exceed 4-6 min. Airborne enemy reconnaissance prior to the commencement of EAS operations by locators with a predominantly meter-wave range from temporary positions. Shutting down these radars and maneuvering to spare positions should be carried out immediately after the radar is switched on in combat positions.

In order to organize the protection of the radar station against attacks of anti-radar missiles (RRP), the following measures should be taken in the radar reconnaissance units:

- purposefully carry out psychological training of personnel and training of combat crews in combat work when an adversary is using the enemy;

- to conduct an early and thorough analysis of the expected directions, areas, hidden routes for the launch of the launch-launch vehicle to the missile launch lines;

- to carry out timely opening of the beginning of the strike of an air enemy and the detection of the approach of its aircraft carriers to the launch points of the PI;

- implement a strict regulation of the operation of a radio-electronic device for radiation (mainly to use the radar of the meter wavelength range and PDFs for detecting and tracking targets);

- at the stage of organizing hostilities, to carry out the maximum separation of frequencies of the same type of radio-electronic installations in subunits, to provide for a periodic frequency maneuver;

- immediately turn off the radar centimeter and decimeter wavelengths after the start of the PI.

These and a number of other events are undoubtedly known to the radar crews, who studied the experience of combat operations and are preparing for a modern war. Despite the apparent simplicity and accessibility, their implementation, as practice shows, can significantly increase the survival rate of elements of the reconnaissance system of an air enemy in conditions of strong fire and electronic countermeasures.

POTENTIAL IS, BUT IT IS NOT SUFFICIENT

With the available number of air defense missile systems and air defense systems, as well as numerous anti-aircraft artillery complexes, the anti-aircraft missile and artillery cover system (SAM) of Syria’s defenses can create sufficiently high fire densities over the main targets of the country and military groupings.

The presence in the air defense system of various types of air defense missile systems, air defense systems and air defense missiles makes it possible to build a multi-layer system of anti-aircraft fire with the concentration of their efforts to cover the most important objects. Thus, the C-200 system will allow destroying the most important targets at 140 distances - 150 km from the borders of the sea coast, at distances up to 100 km from large industrial centers and in mountainous areas in the adjacent territory with Lebanon and Turkey. C-75, C-300 systems have a reach of up to 50-70 km above the covered objects (taking into account the values ​​of the closing angle and the effect of interference). The fire capabilities of the modern Buk-М1-2, 2Э and Pantsir-С1Э air defense and air defense systems will ensure high density of fire at medium altitudes and distances up to 20-25 km. Completes the system of small scale and low altitude fire at the fire of numerous ZAK type "Shilka", C-60, KS-19.

Analysis of the fire system shows that there is a gap between the northern and southern zones of Syria’s air defense in the integral zone of destruction, primarily at extremely low, low and medium altitudes. The rupture of the affected area, although it is covered by two or three C-200 air defense systems from each side, however, it is likely that the position of their starting positions has long been explored and known to the enemy. With the start of active hostilities, these cruise missiles will be primarily hit by cruise missiles, so it is advisable to keep C-300P and Buk-M2E air defense systems in the hidden reserve in order to restore the impaired fire system.

In addition, there is a hidden approach from the north-west direction at extremely low and low altitudes in the northern air defense zone, covered by three C-200 divisions, three C-75 divisions and two C-125 divisions, whose positions are also undoubtedly explored. With the start of active operations of the enemy’s aviation, these positions will be hit by cruise missiles, the air defense system of the air defense missile system will be exposed to active interference, from which these types of complexes are not actually protected. In this case, in this direction, it is necessary to keep in a hidden reserve ZRS C-300P, the air defense system Buk-М2E to strengthen the fire system and its restoration.

To repel air strikes from Ar-Rakansky (northern), Al-Khasansky (northeast), Daur-Azzavr directions, which remain uncovered in the general air defense system, it is advisable to organize several air defense groups for ambush actions and as nomads. Such groups should include the Buk-M2E air defense missile system, Pantsir-S1E air defense missile system, MANPADS, 23-mm and 57-mm anti-aircraft guns.

A preliminary, superficial assessment of the fire system shows that the main efforts of the air defense forces are focused on covering two directions: the south-west (the border with Lebanon and Israel) and the north-west (the border with Turkey). The strongest air defense “umbrella” was created over the cities of Damascus, Hama, Idlib, Aleppo (the capital, large industrial and administrative centers). In addition, these cities are home to the main airfields of both civil and military aviation, as well as large groups of government troops. It is positive that long-range air defense systems cover the main territory of the country, while ensuring that the affected area is carried far to the main administrative and industrial centers, seaports, airfields, and groupings of troops. The exception is the uncovered part of the territory in northeastern Syria, which borders Iraq.

Downed 25 March 1999, the MiG-29 air force of Yugoslavia. In the event of the start of a NATO air operation, Syrian fighters will face the same fate.


The stationary anti-aircraft missile defense system is the basis for covering ground forces groups, which is complemented by the fire of the anti-aircraft mobile anti-aircraft gun systems. As already noted, these facilities in the regular structures of tank (mechanized) divisions and brigades are available up to 4000 units (the Shilka ZSU alone numbers about 400). These tools are quite effective in dealing with low-flying aircraft, helicopters, mobile, mobile and represent, in conjunction with other means, quite a formidable force.

Air defense grouping can fight all types of air targets over the entire altitude range, the potential capabilities of the air defense grouping can destroy up to 800 CBN a potential enemy before the ammunition of missiles and ammunition is used up in simple noise-free conditions. The multiplicity of overlap of the affected areas is 8 - 12 and allows you to: concentrate the fire of several complexes (mostly of different types) to destroy the most dangerous and important targets, contain a sufficient number of air defense forces and equipment in reserve, if necessary, maneuver to restore the impaired fire system of the air defense force group, carry out maneuver with fire in the course of repelling enemy air strikes.

As you can see, the potential capabilities of the Syrian air defense system are quite high. The coastal Mediterranean zone of Syria is covered with greater reliability by means of air defense, especially in the area of ​​the sea ports of Tartus, Baniyas, Latakia. In addition to the available stationary air defense systems, the newly-commissioned Syrian air defense systems Buk-MHNUMXE are allegedly deployed in these areas. The reconnaissance Turkish aircraft shot down in this area flew along the coast of Syria, no doubt, in order to reveal its national air defense system, “get acquainted” with the new armament, provoke air defense radars to work in active mode, identify their location, detect uncovered areas in the air defense zones, evaluate the capabilities of the entire system. Well, to some extent, the reconnaissance aircraft succeeded. The destruction of the Turkish reconnaissance aircraft demonstrated that Syria’s air defense system is capable of carrying out combat missions.

However, it is rather premature to talk about its effectiveness in superb tones. The SCRA system, as well as other components of the Syrian air defense system, is far from perfect. The optimistic picture is overshadowed by the fact that the majority of anti-aircraft missile weapons are outdated and do not meet today's high standards. Armament and equipment - the ideas and production of the middle of the last century - are unable to withstand a highly organized, technically equipped air enemy, having in the arsenal the most modern systems of intelligence, control, fire and electronic countermeasures.

The main types of the old fleet SAM systems (С-200, С-75, С-125, О Osa, Kvadrat) are poorly protected from passive interference, practically not protected from active interference, do not have special operating modes under conditions of WTO elements (PI, SD, UAB). The experience of local wars and conflicts shows that the enemy will make every effort to reduce the fire capabilities of the air defense group, to counter the fire of the land forces and to reduce their effectiveness to a minimum. Practice shows that the air defense system will be the primary object of destruction, when powerful fire strikes of cruise missiles, “electronic strike” will be for 3-4 days suppressed and destroyed the system of intelligence, control, fire weapons of the air defense system. There are plenty of examples of this. In the conditions of a strong fire and electronic countermeasures of the air enemy, the capabilities of the Syrian air defense grouping during the initial period of the war can be reduced by 85-95%.

Of course, the full realization of the potential fire capabilities of an air defense force grouping is very problematic and practically impossible to implement. However, using a set of organizational and tactical measures, it is possible to significantly increase the survival rate of the system, and with it the effectiveness of air defense.

First of all, it is necessary to carry out measures of an organizational nature:

1. Particular attention should be paid to the development of advance instructions on firing and engagement, which is extremely important in the absence of centralized control of hostilities while repelling EAS attacks. The distribution of the responsible space, the determination of the order and sequence of the destruction of air targets will effectively realize the interaction between the various independent air defense groups in the course of repelling an impact.

2. Create mixed air defense groups with different types of air defense missile systems and ZAK (brigades, regiments, divisions, air defense groups), applying them to solve specific tasks of covering important objects in different directions. It is important to carefully build a system of fire without failures (taking into account the mountainous terrain) in all ranges of altitudes, especially at low and extremely low altitudes.

3. For self-cover, use not only MANPADS, ЗУ-23, ЗСУ-23-4 “Shilka”, but also for “Osa”, “Kvadrat”, “Pantsir-S1E”, 37-mm АЗП, 57-mm АЗП, 100-mm ZP, especially for self-protection of the C-200 SAM, C-300П.

4. Create a duty group of air defense contained in temporary positions and conducting reconnaissance of the enemy's airframe at peacetime frequencies.

5. Build a false fire system with a demonstration of its operation by the operation of mobile, mobile air defense systems.

6. Starting and firing positions are carefully equipped in engineering terms, to disguise them; equip false, prepare 2-3 spare positions.

7. On the likely concealed approaches of the enemy’s aviation, to plan and plan the use of mobile air defense groups for operations as a nomad and from ambushes.

With the beginning of active operations of the enemy aviation, it is advisable to apply the following recommendations:

1. C-200, C-300P divisions should be used only for the destruction of the most dangerous and most important targets, taking into account the possibility of their shelling.

2. To concentrate the fire to use different types of air defense systems.

3. To restore the impaired fire system, use mobile Buk-М2Е and З-300П air defense systems.

4. Restrict the operation of the radar radio control system for radar radiation, the activation of radar radiation alarm systems only in the presence of a central control center with a VKP.

5. Shooting to conduct targets with a minimum parameter and in the depth of the affected area, limiting the broadcast time as much as possible.

Thus, the potential of the SCRA system is quite high, but their implementation in the fight against the modern air enemy requires some effort. The air defense system will manifest its strength only if the use of its components is organized, one of which is the Fighter Aviation Cover System (SIAP).

The system of fighter air cover Syria has the same problems as all the country's armed forces. Air Force fighter aviation consists of four squadrons on the MiG-25, four on the MiG-23MLD, four squadrons are armed with the MiG-29А.

The basis of the fighter aircraft are 48 MiG-29A fighters, modernized at the turn of the century. The 30 interceptors MiG-25 and 80 (according to other 50 sources) MiG-23LD fighters are already outdated and have limited combat capabilities. Even the most modern of the park - the MiG-29 needs some work. In addition, the active composition of the Air Force has over 150 MiG-21 fighters, but their combat value is very low.

The weak point of SIAP is aerial reconnaissance. Syrian aviation does not have airborne radar systems - airborne early warning systems and therefore, in the event of an armed conflict, Syrian pilots will have to rely only on ground reconnaissance and guidance stations, also represented by an obsolete fleet.

The effectiveness of fighter air cover depends on the number and combat capabilities of fighters, the number of fighters in various levels of readiness, capabilities of reconnaissance and control systems for detecting EAS, the number of targets, their stability in EW conditions, the nature of enemy aviation operations (altitude, speed, depth of impact types of aircraft, etc.), the level of preparedness of flight personnel, time of day, weather conditions and other factors.

The estimated effectiveness of the fighter air cover (as the ratio of the number of destroyed air-combat aircraft by the fighter aircraft to the total number of air-combat aircraft participating in the raid in the area of ​​responsibility) is about 6-8%. Of course, this is clearly not enough; moreover, even this low efficiency can be achieved only with a high level of preparedness of flight personnel.

Thus, the capabilities of the SIAP to disrupt the performance of the enemy’s combat mission are extremely insignificant. The countries of the likely enemy (Israel, Turkey) have a common military-technical superiority over Syria and an overwhelming majority in military aviation, command and control, communications, and intelligence. The air forces of these countries are more numerous, maneuverable, the combat equipment fleet is constantly replenished with modern weapons.

Syria’s air defense system, which has more than 80% of obsolete weapons, makes it difficult to count on success in countering NATO.


In general, the assessment of the state of the Syrian air defense is dual and ambiguous.

On the one hand, air defense groups have a large number of samples of the most diverse anti-aircraft weapons and military equipment. The mixed principle of recruiting military formations allows you to create a multi-layered system of fire in all ranges of heights, ensuring the shelling and destruction of the whole variety of modern EAS. The air defense zone over important objects (the capital, large industrial centers, seaports, groups of troops, airfields) can have 10-12-multiple overlap of the zones of destruction and shelling of various types of air defense missile systems, air defense systems and ZAC. The presence in the groups of long-range air defense missile systems allows for the removal of the affected area to the distant approaches to the covered objects. The fighter air cover system enhances the ability of the air defense system to intercept the most dangerous air targets over areas that are difficult to reach for ground-based air defense systems, in important areas, etc.

The air defense system is strong enough and capable of performing combat missions both in peacetime and in wartime. The destruction of single air targets, intruders, and the reflection of low-density EAS impacts in medium-intensity interference are quite feasible tasks for the Syrian air defense.

On the other hand, having only 12-15% of modern weapons in its composition, it is difficult for the air defense system to count on success in countering the strong, highly organized, equipped with the most modern weapons, command and control systems weapons (above all, high-precision) air enemy. Applying a complex of organizational, operational-tactical and technical measures, one can achieve some success in the difficult task of combating a modern air enemy. However, in the current state, the Syrian air defense system will not be able to withstand the united coalition air forces of Western states conducting air offensive operations with the use of several thousand cruise missiles, fighters, bombers, military helicopters with mandatory preliminary fire and electronic suppression of air defense systems.

Syrian air defense urgently needs a radical re-equipment of modern military equipment, a deep modernization of existing weapons and military equipment. High-quality training of military personnel, their preparation for conducting anti-aircraft battles with a technically superior enemy, training in anti-aircraft firing techniques (rocket launches) with all types of anti-aircraft weapons of both the modern and the past century are extremely important. Only under these conditions can we count on success in protecting the airspace.
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  1. SmacXnumx 29 August 2013 08: 08 New
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    They would have managed to deliver S - 300, S-400 to Syria, so they would kick asses with Amers with the Angles and the whole NATO.
    1. Greyfox 29 August 2013 08: 23 New
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      And what is not C-500 right away? Temper your imagination. A protracted civil war is going on in the country, and foreign special forces escaping around the still living air defense facilities, accompanied by local bandits as infantry and guides, who are likely to be focused on these same objects as their main target. From what was listed in the article a lot of equipment inoperative. Syrians will have a hard time - air defense will have to fight off attacks from both the air and the ground. The Yugoslavs, being in a better position, could not do much. C-300 is not a panacea when their positions are illuminated.
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    2. Trailer 29 August 2013 08: 26 New
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      So they managed to install at least one battery!
      1. Greyfox 29 August 2013 08: 39 New
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        I would very much like to hope that these are not rumors and that this trump card will “shoot” (both literally and figuratively). It seems like we will find out very soon.
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 29 August 2013 10: 31 New
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        Quote: Karavan
        So they managed to install at least one battery!



        and then Israeli fighters who recently bombed the suburbs of Damascus didn’t shoot down .....
        yes there are fights 5 km from the international airport ..... how many videos are from air defense bases .... captured by bearded men .....
        and Greyfox - from me ++++++ hi
      3. alone 29 August 2013 19: 50 New
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        one battery does not solve anything. as you see air defense of Syria one old junk. An exception is that the beech of the latest modifications has several shells
    3. Toporkoff
      Toporkoff 29 August 2013 09: 09 New
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      If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ... Single deliveries will not help, the whole system needs to be modernized.
      1. svp67 29 August 2013 09: 30 New
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        Quote: Toporkoff
        If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ... Single deliveries will not help, the whole system needs to be modernized.
        It is not regrettable, but you are right. It is worth adding that in addition to modernization, it is also necessary to train personnel to work on new equipment and to create an adequate stock of ammunition, since with the beginning of the NATO operation it will become very problematic to replenish it ...
      2. Shumer
        Shumer 29 August 2013 09: 40 New
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        If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ...

        It is correctly said that, in the first place, air defense facilities will be destroyed - this will be done by saboteurs with bandits and their own bribes for dollars (as was the case in Iraq).
      3. alone 29 August 2013 21: 05 New
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        Quote: Toporkoff
        If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ...


        can still capture. and this is worse than destroyed.
      4. Semen Semyonitch 4 September 2013 05: 54 New
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        Quote: Toporkoff
        If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ... Single deliveries will not help, the whole system needs to be modernized.

        S-400 do not have time to see)))
    4. Pimply 29 August 2013 12: 53 New
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      Would not be chopped. If only because air defense is a single system. Including aviation. What kind of aviation does Syria have - you are in the know.
      1. ruslan207 1 September 2013 20: 50 New
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        There such a fleet is there, powerful aviation is useless there, 2 aircraft carriers are a base in Turkey, Avax. Syria will simply be shot from the safe distance of the tomahawks, depending on the modification, 700-1500 km have a radius of 100 meters above the ground, the goal is not easy even for modern air defense
    5. Alez 29 August 2013 13: 46 New
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      It is necessary to put MANPADS Needle in the amount of about 500 pieces. Distribute on mobile points in different places, then there will be an effect. MANPADS are tortured to catch. The only negative is the low altitude of the complexes.
      1. donavi49 29 August 2013 14: 02 New
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        In Libya, there were more than 1000 MANPADS Igla-S and another Chinese different. Did it help? Despite the fact that there, even with the Tigers and Apaches, they were already shooting at the end.
      2. ruslan207 1 September 2013 20: 53 New
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        There are also militants who will put bugs near objects, an effective means of e-mail to take away missiles
    6. Sandov 29 August 2013 14: 29 New
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      Syrian air defense urgently needs a radical re-equipment of modern military equipment, a deep modernization of existing weapons and military equipment. High-quality training of military personnel, their preparation for conducting anti-aircraft battles with a technically superior enemy, training in anti-aircraft firing techniques (rocket launches) with all types of anti-aircraft weapons of both the modern and the past century are extremely important. Only under these conditions can we count on success in protecting the airspace.

      Before the intervention, this had to be dealt with. Then neither rats nor their teachers would fit. Now only our blockade from the sea can save. And wet everything that flies and swims.
      1. Day 11 29 August 2013 16: 21 New
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        Exactly --- ARCHIMUDRO !!!
    7. Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 15: 15 New
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      Quote: Smac111
      They would have managed to deliver S - 300, S-400 to Syria

      Remove C 400 from a database in Russia and send to Syria?
      1. Witold 30 August 2013 17: 15 New
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        Do not remove, so as not to leave Ruble open.
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        2. bif
          bif 3 September 2013 16: 11 New
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          c-400 is not necessary to shoot, enough new c-300ПМУ2
    8. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka 29 August 2013 15: 37 New
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      Air defense is a positional war, that is, passive. And no matter how complex they are simply knocked out. The only thing that can be done is to dig somewhere into the ground and hope that it will carry and wait for the moment. Perhaps lucky, but it will not bring victory. Only maneuvering war and the possibility of a retaliatory strike can bring success, preferably with parity potential.
      In a country where there is a war and intelligence walk, as they want, hoping for a miracle is simply stupid. They will beat methodically and accurately, and with small losses for themselves.
      Dear, do not fly in the clouds, for disappointment will be great.
    9. Doctorleg 29 August 2013 16: 14 New
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      Yeah. They would increase their debt from 13.4 billion to heaven. They basically do not care - they didn’t want to pay it for anyone - at least 13, at least 100 billion. And anyway, why do we have such love with them? We don’t particularly like our own from the Caucasus
    10. alone 29 August 2013 19: 48 New
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      can you guarantee that the s-400 will not fall into the hands of a bearded man. they will sell it with pleasure or exchange ten thousand man-portable air defense systems. do you want to give your super-super-portable air defense to your opponent with your own hands?
    11. Su24 29 August 2013 22: 12 New
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      As you can see, the potential capabilities of the Syrian air defense system are quite high. With greater reliability, air defense means covered the coastal Mediterranean zone of Syria, especially in the area of ​​the seaports of Tartus, Baniyas, Latakia.


      Yeah, only the main forces of the NATO Navy are already concentrated in the Red Sea.
    12. Semen Semyonitch 4 September 2013 05: 51 New
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      Quote: Smac111
      They would have managed to deliver S - 300, S-400 to Syria, so they would kick asses with Amers with the Angles and the whole NATO.

      Why are you so angry? Well, a man fantasized. Or maybe he simply wasn’t up to date. He didn’t say anything seditious, and on, get a bunch of minuses from the Great commanders ...
  2. Akim
    Akim 29 August 2013 08: 17 New
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    The material is well compiled, although there are doubts about the high rank of its author - he short-range air defense systems - calls medium. Although, if these American morons are nevertheless decided, then this is definitely enough to reflect their “Tomahawks”.
    1. Papakiko 29 August 2013 08: 28 New
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      Quote: Akim
      Well composed material

      Good morning.
      Why don’t you sleep in Odessa? Is it too late here and in the morning early again to sdes again or not sleep or "graze" here?

      The article as a whole looks certainly substantial, but with jambs, you indicated one, I will indicate one and more enlightened ones will add.
      For example, the PU-12 battery command post for the Osa air defense system only automatically solves a narrow range of tasks for linking and tracking routes according to the data of its own radar, and for recalculating the radar coordinates from a "digital" source. Moreover, target designation for combat vehicles has to be issued in a non-automated way, voice with target coordinates,
      Wasp has smart missiles, with intelligence and hearing. drinks
      1. Akim
        Akim 29 August 2013 09: 22 New
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        Quote: Papakiko
        And what can you not sleep in Odessa

        For someone, the morning starts at 12, and for someone at the 4th (sorry, old-mode habit). And here I am, in order to see if the continuation of the translation came out. But all this does not apply to the conversation.
      2. Vladimirets 29 August 2013 12: 57 New
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        Quote: Papakiko
        Moreover, target designation for combat vehicles has to be issued in a non-automated way, in a voice with the issuance of target coordinates,
        Wasp has smart missiles, with intelligence and hearing.

        Targeting the BATTLE MACHINES, what does the rocket have to do with it? It means that the characteristics and coordinates of the targets are not automatically entered into the head of the missile system.
    2. igor67 29 August 2013 11: 00 New
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      Quote: Akim
      The material is well compiled, although there are doubts about the high rank of its author - he short-range air defense systems - calls medium. Although, if these American morons are nevertheless decided, then this is definitely enough to reflect their “Tomahawks”.

      And at the beginning, Comrade General writes that Syria borders on unstable Palestine, even if it looked at the map, Palestine does not border Syria at all
      1. atalef 29 August 2013 17: 28 New
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        Quote: igor67
        And at the beginning, Comrade General writes that Syria borders on unstable Palestine, even if it looked at the map

        Hi Igoryanich? How are you in Safed? They say the strike will be on Friday night, and I’m working just in the night (by the way in Umm al-Fachem. It will be interesting to see them if there is a bombing.
        But back to the author
        Therefore, the Syrians have long been concerned about the development of an air defense system, acquiring modern air defense systems in Russia, Belarus, and China. According to experts, the air defense of Syria today is a formidable force.)

        And 5 Israeli raids (with not just zero losses, but in the complete absence of an air defense reaction - including the destruction of the reactor, long before the booth in Syria)
        confirmation of this.
        Syrian air defense is a complete zero and can not do anything. Face the truth.
        1. ruslan207 1 September 2013 21: 16 New
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          There is no evidence that the Israeli air force destroyed the reactor, etc., do not listen to the Israeli media; maybe the US air force inflicted from Turkey where the Syrians least expected Shalit could not be released; should you really believe the attacks on Syria?
          1. igor67 2 September 2013 16: 42 New
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            Quote: ruslan207
            There is no evidence that the Israeli air force destroyed the reactor, etc., do not listen to the Israeli media; maybe the US air force inflicted from Turkey where the Syrians least expected Shalit could not be released; should you really believe the attacks on Syria?

            and the point is to save this coward. Because of his cowardice, the crew died, he was captured, so I still had to put people, I think they initially agreed on an exchange, only the issue was the exchange price
            1. ruslan207 2 September 2013 21: 55 New
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              The surprise factor worked that the Arabs dug digging it was not his fault
    3. vasyagorev
      vasyagorev 29 August 2013 12: 05 New
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      It is not worth doubting the author’s high rank, I know him personally, this is his style of presentation and analysis of the material. The article is most likely a quick clue for Syria.
      1. Black Colonel 29 August 2013 16: 01 New
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        There is little time for the implementation of preventive measures. N: o it is necessary to carry them out in any case. sad
    4. Tourist Breakfast 29 August 2013 14: 24 New
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      there are doubts about the high rank of its author - he short-range air defense systems - calls medium.

      He also has Syria in the east bordering Palestine. And Jordan disappeared somewhere.
  3. d1m1drol 29 August 2013 08: 20 New
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    Yes, damn it ... well, at least a hundred hatchets would be shot down ... already less damage. And since the geyropa is not so rich, and amers are now in some kind of anus, then I think they will be limited to this. Although these are just dreams ...
  4. SPHINX 29 August 2013 08: 23 New
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    I went to read the news, and there: "Obama doubts the need for intervention in the Syrian conflict. "The foreign country suddenly realized something?
    Especially delivered: "According to the American president, the US government concluded that the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad is behind the chemical attack in the suburbs of Damascus. Obama did not provide any evidence for this version, but indicated that Syrian rebels hardly have chemical weapons and their delivery vehicles. "Well, yeah, kanechna! It’s a pity that even if you tell them in person, with whose help the bearded have all this, the amers will not even blink an eye. Although you could, you could try to screw them with official statements to the UN and the press, directly blaming for the supply of weapons and those same "means of delivery. Eh ...

    Particularly surprised and furious was a recent article on Lente.ru, where they suddenly wrote in plain text that Assad was behind all the chemical attacks. It is especially strange to read this, because the guys usually cover the events with an open mind and do not make hasty arguments. And here - such a feint with my ears ...
    1. Papakiko 29 August 2013 09: 08 New
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      Quote: SPHINX
      guys usually cover events with an open mind and do not make hasty arguments. And here - such a feint with my ears ...

      Quote: SPHINX
      on "Tape.ru"

      To put it mildly, I got surprised. belay
      Everyone knows what “Lentasra” is and what they are chasing through pipes.
    2. Pimply 29 August 2013 12: 58 New
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      There is clearly quoted a source - the interception of radio communications.
      1. Corsair 29 August 2013 13: 08 New
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        Quote: Pimply
        There is clearly quoted a source - the interception of radio communications.


        I'm on my computer right now, I could "cook up" a little material about your "phone purrs" lol "with someone ... let's say gay activists. fellow
        I don’t argue, you wouldn’t like it, but WHO would surely BELIEVE ...
        1. Pimply 29 August 2013 15: 06 New
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          Quote: Corsair
          I’m on my computer right now, I could "cook up" a little material about your "telephone purrs" with someone ... let's say gay activists.
          I don’t argue, you wouldn’t like it, but WHO would surely BELIEVE.

          Respected. I quoted what is written in the Tape.ru, and why there is an article in this form. True, this is a secondary issue.
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          a material about your "phone purrs" with someone ... let's say gay activists.

          Do you think that you are so unsure of your heterosexual orientation?

          Now it doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. Even if one hundred percent evidence suddenly opens up that the guys of Maher Assad were shooting, you would say one hundred percent that this is defense, and so the terrorists need it.

          Same thing with the West.

          Parties selected. Who is guilty in this situation (and most likely one of the lower-ranking officers is guilty, who did not calculate the impact effect somewhat, which is confirmed by the records of the negotiations) is no longer important. Provocation? It is also possible that the rebels need it. Human factor? More than likely.
          1. tilovaykrisa 29 August 2013 15: 30 New
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            Yeah, Sadam also had 100% chemical weapons, and 100% had evidence, one Negro even at the UN tres a small jar of "coconut" claiming that it was there, everyone knows the result, Sadam didn't have it. The USA has exactly the same evidence now, as it did the last time, namely, none.
            1. Pimply 29 August 2013 15: 54 New
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              Saddam had chemical weapons. And they found him. And not one ton, back in 2004. Ammunition contained mustard gas (mustard gas) and nerve gas sarin.
              Its use was proven back in 1986.
              There are UN reports on both occasions.
              There’s a photo.

              The states, however, relied on the possible development of biological weapons, if you do not remember. They didn’t find him.
              1. tilovaykrisa 29 August 2013 16: 50 New
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                You are right, I confused the Khimki with the protein a little, but this does not cancel the rest.
                1. Pimply 29 August 2013 17: 39 New
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                  Quote: tilovaykrisa
                  You are right, I confused the Khimki with the protein a little, but this does not cancel the rest.

                  Strong countries always play by their own rules and pursue their interests. You should not be surprised at this.
                  Moreover, I’m sure that Assad’s forces dealt a blow - there are interceptions of negotiations, while the States have not been so eager to go into war recently. Most likely, the decision to strike was made, but the consequences were not calculated - a common thing. Given how civilian and guerrilla guerrillas are mixed up there is nothing to be surprised. There is a civil war, a massacre. Both are cut. To whitewash both Assad and the militants is pointless.
              2. Pilat2009 29 August 2013 18: 44 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                There’s a photo.

                Dudes do not seem to be at all afraid of mustard gas, apparently they have not tried it yet
                1. Witold 29 August 2013 21: 01 New
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                  Before launching missiles or shots with a shell, an activator is laid. No one stores active chemical munitions.
              3. 77bor1973
                77bor1973 29 August 2013 21: 18 New
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                And this is the chemical weapon that the Americans themselves supplied to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war, which he used, only then they did not say a word.
                1. Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 52 New
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                  What to do, life is unfair. Only Iraq until 1991 had its own development.
          2. Corsair 29 August 2013 21: 10 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            Do you think that you are so unsure of your heterosexual orientation?

            Now it doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. Even if one hundred percent evidence suddenly opens up that the guys of Maher Assad were shooting, you would say one hundred percent that this is defense, and so the terrorists need it.


            The point is not your "orientation", but the fact that to the place, on time and well-prepared lie is capable of impersonating the truth ...

            And about the "use-non-compliance" of the military forces by the ATS army, I am ready to put emphasis ONLY on the basis of irrefutable evidence (of which NOBODY, including you and I have not seen request )
            1. Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 53 New
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              Quote: Corsair
              And about the "use-non-compliance" of the military forces by the ATS army, I am ready to put emphasis ONLY on the basis of irrefutable evidence (of which NOBODY, including you and I have not seen)

              For you at this stage, even one hundred percent evidence is not enough. You have chosen the side.
              It’s like when half of the site here proved to me that on the video of a downed Syrian plane, the tail is made of plywood, and in general - fake - they say that they are cut off too evenly and not damaged. He showed a different angle - it is clearly visible there. All the same, like small children, they continued to emphasize that this did not mean anything. 8)
          3. SPHINX 29 August 2013 22: 32 New
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            Quote: Pimply
            There is clearly quoted a source - the interception of radio communications.

            And where are they? Where are these priceless (precisely priceless in this situation) recordings of radio conversations ?! Yes, I also have records of American radio conversations that the next batch of LGBT people has been abandoned in the camp of the "eastern enemy." Che, the same crap.
            Quote: Pimply
            True, this is a secondary issue.

            I don’t even know that this can be answered censorship. This is the primary question, damn it! If it’s true, then Assad is a goat, and it turns out that he has a stigma in which gun, and if it’s a lie, then you already have to take Yusovtsy and foreigners for their eggs! And you do not care if they tell you the truth or mount noodles on your ears!
            Quote: Pimply
            Now it doesn’t matter whether it is true or not. Even if one hundred percent evidence suddenly opens up that the guys of Maher Assad were shooting, you would say one hundred percent that this is defense, and so the terrorists need it.

            If. If someone so decides - his business. The first thing I would think about was my brain and thoroughly analyzed everything (in the place of our government). And then, based on the conclusions, the course of relations with the top of Syria and the Foreign countries is right.
            Quote: Pimply
            Parties selected. Who is guilty in this situation (and most likely one of the lower-level officers is guilty, who did not calculate the effect of the blow somewhat, which is confirmed by the records of negotiations)

            And again - where are they? Where is the clear confirmation of ALL parties that this is the truth ?!
            Quote: Pimply
            no longer important.

            Nu-nu, nu-nu.
            Quote: Pimply

            Provocation? It is also possible that the rebels need it. Human factor? More than likely.

            This is already somehow possible to accept. Again, as if by the way: what for troops, as already mentioned, apply chemistry if they can successfully cope without it? I don’t know ...
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              Quote: SPHINX
              ! If it’s true, then Assad is a goat, and it turns out that he has a stigma in which gun

              Do you consider it white and fluffy? That is, the bombing in which hundreds of civilians died - this is so, garbage. And the massacre in one or the other Sunni city - too?
              Quote: SPHINX

              And again - where are they? Where is the clear confirmation of ALL parties that this is the truth ?!

              No such. Truth as a single constant does not exist. Everyone has her own.
              Quote: SPHINX
              Again, as if by the way: what for troops, as already mentioned, apply chemistry if they can successfully cope without it

              Successfully cope - is it according to Russian reports? Now there is parity, half of Damascus is still under the rebels, the rebels lost some cities, captured some. Stalemate situation.
  5. Anatole Klim 29 August 2013 08: 26 New
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    It remains to be hoped that the Syrian officers who studied under the guidance of a respected professor at the Air Defense Academy will apply their knowledge with dignity.
    1. Shumer
      Shumer 29 August 2013 09: 44 New
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      Your truth, a weapon without a competent head and skillful hands is nothing.
    2. the polar 29 August 2013 20: 43 New
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      Quote: Anatole Klim
      It remains to be hoped that the Syrian officers who studied under the guidance of a respected professor at the Air Defense Academy will apply their knowledge with dignity.

      The solution is one; learn the "hour X", have time to change positions, disperse and freeze. And then according to plan or circumstances ...
  6. demon ada
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    A-50 on constant duty near the coast of Syria
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      How interesting? Emergency Situations Board pass through Bulgaria-Greece, but they are civilian. A-50 will not be allowed. Turks do not let even the Ministry of Emergency Situations board. Iraq has already officially closed the sky for the United States in an attack on Syria, for it will also close, otherwise it will be a transition to one of the parties to the conflict.

      A-50 will not be able to be above Syria. The geography is like that.
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      Quote: demon ada
      A-50 on constant duty near the coast of Syria

      Yeah, there’s going to be a lot of fun, Syrian officers trying to make out the Cyrillic alphabet and trying to understand what the Russians are transmitting there? Although how they will generally receive information without the appropriate equipment ... As far as I understand, it does not matter to you, the exchange of information between the Russian Air Force CPSU and the Syrian air defense forces command is not your level, the main thing is to offer a brilliant idea ...
  7. Veter 29 August 2013 08: 41 New
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    A striking example of the flaw of excessive centralization of control is the unpunished landing on Red Square of a light-engine aircraft that happened 25 years ago,


    It’s not a matter of inferiority, they just didn’t give a command, that's all
  8. svskor80 29 August 2013 08: 45 New
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    The US and its allies do not fight if there is at least some opportunity for the victim to resist. Apparently now there is complete confidence in the impunity of bombing and shelling. In general, the Air Force and Navy do not stagnate with amers, always at work. The Syrians unfortunately have no chance, you can only bet how much they can bring down - 1 or 2 aircraft.
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    It is useless to fight off wasps, it is necessary to tear apart the nest. Beat immediately on aircraft carriers, bases. How can the Syrians get these objects?
    1. Trailer 29 August 2013 09: 02 New
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      Iskander.
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        Iskander.

        As part of the Syrian Armed Forces
        3 brigades of operational-tactical missiles (such as "Luna-M", "Scud", "Point")
        Of these, the “Point” deserves the most attention, of course, but I haven’t found what it is, ordinary or “U”, but their range of action is not enough ...
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          the moon seems to hit further
          1. svp67 29 August 2013 10: 28 New
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            The Scud or P17, in our opinion, flies the farthest. “Moon” and “Point” are similar in range, but in terms of accuracy - “Point” especially “Point-U”, out of competition from this three ...
        2. alone 29 August 2013 19: 53 New
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          ordinary points, it’s hard to say what about the number of missiles, but I think some have already been spent against bearded men
    2. Odysseus 29 August 2013 09: 15 New
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      Quote: Siga
      Beat immediately on aircraft carriers, bases. How can the Syrians get these objects?

      Aircraft carriers — nothing, nearby bases — Scuds and aviation. True, aviation has a virtually zero chance of breaking through.
      1. Follow 29 August 2013 09: 21 New
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        And anti-ship missiles will not help?
        1. tilovaykrisa 29 August 2013 14: 55 New
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          reach within 300km, arliburkaberki from tomagotchi will not enter the affected area as well as air gadons.
      2. alone 29 August 2013 19: 54 New
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        the skads are not very accurate. The error is large. It can go anywhere.
      3. vadson 29 August 2013 20: 43 New
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        Quote: Odyssey
        Quote: Siga
        Beat immediately on aircraft carriers, bases. How can the Syrians get these objects?

        Aircraft carriers — nothing, nearby bases — Scuds and aviation. True, aviation has a virtually zero chance of breaking through.

        welcome
        at the expense of aviation break through this question:
        1) the Yankees launched axes, they fly, the radar of Syria is still working
        2) the Yankees begin to jam radars in a wide range, since there are still different radars
        3) a convenient moment for the Syrians to launch a detachment through the bases of Jordan in Turkey, the Saudis (if they get it), well, the Jews (without them), at this moment, as far as I understand, not only the Syrian radar stations but also the nearby "partners" will be jammed. they will also be blind
        at least some part of the equipment and bombs will be knocked out. can this ride?
        1. Witold 29 August 2013 21: 04 New
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          Only such a ride can.
        2. alone 29 August 2013 21: 07 New
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          the Yankees first jam radars in a wide range, and then they launch axes and no more convenient moments. The cameras are vile, but not crazy.
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          a convenient moment for the Syrians to launch a squad on the bases of Jordan in Turkey, the Saudis (if they get it), and of the Jews (well without them)

          Well, if Assad prefers that Jews from the category of neutral observers abruptly move into the category of active participants, you can try.
    3. svp67 29 August 2013 10: 31 New
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      How can the Syrians get these objects?
      It is a pity that they did not put them long-range cruise missiles
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      How can the Syrians get these objects?

      SMS with threats ...
  10. Odysseus 29 August 2013 09: 10 New
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    The article is competent, but it does not say anything about the most important factor in the situation in Syria, the civil war that has not stopped for 2 years.
    After all, the militants control a significant part of the country, up to some areas of the capital.
    In such circumstances, it is not necessary to talk about the effective operation of air defense. Moreover, it is not clear, but what exactly is left of this air defense system?
    So, unfortunately, there is no need to deceive ourselves about the effective counteraction to air raids.
    The main thing is to inflict any damage to the enemy and survive.
    NATO simply does not have enough money for a long air operation, so everything will be decided on the ground.
    1. donavi49 29 August 2013 10: 14 New
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      Of course, the north, for example, is poorly covered, in the south, on the contrary, after the Israeli raids, everyone pulled it off, and there they killed the militants. Plus Latakia is well covered, right up to the north.

      However, there was no continuous, and better overlapping coverage in Syria without war, and now there are holes all over the country. With competent laying of ax courses, one can achieve that they will learn about the blows from news releases / explosions outside the window, well, or the shelling will only be carried out by installations that cover the object, that is, at the final site.

      For knocked out complexes:
      1) The latest radar type 2000 under Alepo burned.
      2) Several positions of C-75, C-125, C-200 in the north were looted and burned.
      3) Several C-75 positions in the south and center were burned.
      4) There were definitely shots with a burning trailer, on which was either a Buk TZM, or a Square.

      By live:
      1) Almost everything mobile (Pechory-2M, Buki-M2, Squares, Armor) is live.
      2) MiGs are living as possible according to those conditions. I mean, no one fired at them with blown up raids on bases.
      3) Most of the stationary radars and positions are live, especially in the south and Latakia.
      1. Greyfox 29 August 2013 12: 38 New
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        By live:
        1) Almost everything mobile (Pechory-2M, Buki-M2, Squares, Armor) is live.

        Unfortunately, not all mobiles are alive. There were videos and photos of the dead Wasps that were captured by bandits. And there were a lot of them. They are certainly broken there (though in one of the videos
        they rode on the "Osa"), but the country's defense from this is no easier.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 29 August 2013 13: 58 New
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          There were videos and photos of the dead Wasps that were captured by bandits.



          but their wasp fire from Wasp ...
    2. Nayhas 29 August 2013 12: 26 New
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      Quote: Odyssey
      The article is competent, but it does not say anything about the most important factor in the situation in Syria, the civil war that has not stopped for 2 years.

      Dear Odysseus, this article is a vivid example of the endless senility of the domestic generals. Confirmation of your words about the situation in Syria. HOW CAN YOU FORGET ANALYSIS TO FORGET THIS MOST IMPORTANT FACT? You do not need to have seven spans in your forehead to come to the conclusion that in connection with the civil war and the destruction of the army, there can be no talk of any air defense system. That the Israeli Air Force’s unpunished flights are the most vivid confirmation of how, even after such well-known facts, one can write such "As you can see, the potential capabilities of the Syrian air defense system are quite high."
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 29 August 2013 14: 00 New
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        Quote: Nayhas
        "As you can see, the potential capabilities of the Syrian air defense system are quite high."

        Quote: Nayhas
        there can be no talk about any air defense system


        right ..... ++++++
      2. Ruslan67 29 August 2013 18: 35 New
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        how can one write such things after such well-known facts

        Well, let's say that there will be problems with the air defense system But even Amer’s axes will fly 50 percent to their allies, the front lines are not clear who is at the site Well, the precedents weren’t always accurate. Plus some will not work for technical reasons. Question amers rockets is enough for everything?
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          Thank you, my word, laughed kindly. the Yankees don't give a damn about the carriers of sacred lice, they will fill up there, they will pick up new ones, and they will say about the old ones, they say they are fighting with Alcaida
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            yankees spit lope carriers of sacred lice

            I'm not talking about that request The question is: enough axes to achieve at least some acceptable result for them what And then after all, they will sweat before the Congress to swell wassat
  11. p-159
    p-159 29 August 2013 09: 50 New
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    it would be necessary to help EW and RER of his iron in bulk
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      it would be necessary to help EW and RER of his iron in bulk

      Yes, this "iron" will not be redundant there ...
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        will not be superfluous, but electronics are more necessary against air
        1. Ka-52 29 August 2013 13: 58 New
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          it would be necessary to help EW and RER of his iron in bulk


          There is a lot of iron, only who will use it?

          Okay, there are machine guns and RPGs, you don’t need to use them a lot of intelligence, but does Assad have a lot of specialists in electronic warfare, air defense, the same pilots ?!

          That’s all crap.

          For such a short period of time, you can’t train specialists. Arabs have a lot
          Techspec? Yes, and we, too, Communication and electronic warfare are in decline. Both in terms of elemental base and in frames ..
          Are there many Ptushnikov on our site now? How many of them have fives in physics and mathematics? Which of them knows how to correctly solder and assemble chips?
          Everyone can chat, but few work with their hands and heads!
          What was good about the Soviet education system, taught to think and gave a broad outlook. And now specialists of a narrow direction, and even them ... but not knowing their specialty.
          In Syria, 20% of the population cannot read and write, what kind of hardware are you talking about ?!
  12. largus886
    largus886 29 August 2013 09: 55 New
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    The question is, where is our fleet hanging out at the right moment?
    1. donavi49 29 August 2013 10: 24 New
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      Moscow in La Guera showed the cruiser to the commander of the Navy of Venezuela.
      Fists and tanker in the Atlantic.
      Panteleev BOD in Novorossiysk.
      Black Sea forces at their bases.

      In the Mediterranean Sea 3 BDK, PM-138 and SRZK, perhaps some submarine.

      By the way, there are Chinese in Aden, the next anti-piracy mission includes
      Destroyer harbin
      Frigate Chaohu

      However, the trouble is sadness, they conduct anti-piracy exercises with the Americans and are not going to the shores of Syria.
  13. donavi49 29 August 2013 10: 04 New
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    Air Defense Composition from Wiki laughing .

    Among the most egregious:
    1) At least 3 positions of C-200ВМЭ (new KP, PU, ​​but old missiles - a sort of handicraft).
    2) Delivered at least 12 Pechora-2M installations, these are mobile complexes, pretty good and modern.
    3) Part of C-125 was modernized, but it was all done in different years, on different projects. There is vinaigrette in general.
    4) Some of the Squares have been modernized according to the Iranian version (digital selection, the number of letter frequencies in the target illumination channel has been increased from 6 to 12, a target recognition system has been introduced by type (aircraft, helicopter, rocket, etc.); to a digital computer, well, a new rocket with a range of 25 km and an altitude of 12-14 km), but how much they managed to upgrade is unclear.

    By radar:
    1) There are Chinese installations Type 2000, one burned under Aleppo for sure.
    2) There are our mobile radars, they even talk about 3-4 Castes, but this has not yet been confirmed.

    By Air Force:
    1) About two dozen MiG-29 fly exactly, but they are all old. Plus pilots, they are transplanted to the L-39 for strikes on the ground. And there’s practically no raid on regular MiGs.
    2) The MiG-23MLD is exactly flying, and this is actually 3 ++, and it can work out in the Kyrgyz Republic by the way.

    By response measures:
    1) Base in Cyprus within reach of Bastion-P and Redoubt.
    2) The fleet at the first stage will not come closer than 350 km, because it is dangerous.
    3) The coastal troops have from 10 to 50 hidden complexes, based on trucks (a mobile tented body is in mobile condition), the truck can be deployed within 4-6 minutes (either externally or by heating the SOC or receiving the control center from the command machine nearby) give 2 volley (in the version with its own SOC) or 3 (without SOC) with C-802 / Noor missiles, confirmed range of 120 km, declared by Iran 180.
    4) The mosquito fleet was virtually unaffected by the war. There are several dozen ultralight fast boats with the 2XC-802 or C-701 / C-703. However, they need an external data center.
    5) Their boats, etc. 205E, however, they are ancient and are unlikely to let them in the launch distance of the P-20.
  14. Ingvar 72 29 August 2013 10: 06 New
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    Israel was not in vain bombing the warehouse with the Yakhonts. They know what to be afraid of.
  15. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 29 August 2013 10: 26 New
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    Eh, what Syria lacks is anti-radar missiles aimed at a source of radio emission - for example, an interference generator.
  16. ed65b
    ed65b 29 August 2013 10: 29 New
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    To know where to fall it would be possible to lay straws. Assad did not even think in a nightmare that he would fall into such a binding. It is a pity of course that Russia and Iran, having a large margin of time, could not help Assad reliably cover the sky.
    1. donavi49 29 August 2013 10: 40 New
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      It is impossible to reliably cover the sky if half the country is engulfed in war. They will use these holes and gaps for raids, and so they will pick out any air defense, even with MiGami-31, AWACS and C-400.

      And the last 1,5 of the year, Assad had a problem not with the invasion of the West, but with the dominance of various rebels and simply torn Islamists. Most likely, all the help on the BDK and on the Iranian sides went to the maintenance of equipment (spare parts, necessary details), shells, army communications and so on. That is, what was necessary to fight every day, and not defend against a hypothetical invasion.

      The crisis was brewing, yes, but it is quite possible that another year would not have plummeted. In the conditions of limited resources and channels, they order what is needed precisely and without which it is impossible to do without.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 29 August 2013 14: 44 New
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        Dear donavi49. I read your comments with great interest, personally a plus from me, but it seems to me that we forget that the combat effectiveness of Syria’s air defense is quite low, and the Israelis have repeatedly proved this:
        Firstly, the defeat of the air defense in the Bekaa Valley in 1982, when they defeated the Syrian air defense group of three air defense squadrons “Square” (SA-6 Gainful) - 15 divisions (zrdn) and one mixed brigade - 2 zrdn S-75M “Volga” (SA-2 Guideline) and 2 zrdn S-125M "Pechora" (SA-3 Goa). The direct cover of the Fed group and the troops was carried out by 47 branches of the Strela-2 MANPADS, 51 ZSU-23-4 Shilka and 17 anti-aircraft artillery batteries. All air defense systems were deployed in tight battle formations on a 30x28 km section. This provided a high density of fire at low altitudes and a 3-4-fold mutual cover for the air defense battle formations.
        Of course, I do not believe in Israeli tales that they shot down 81 Syrian aircraft without losing a single one, nevertheless ...
        Secondly, after the Lebanon war of 1982, the Syrian air defense has repeatedly demonstrated its helplessness before the Israelis, for example, on September 6, 2007, the Israeli Air Force bombed an object in Syria, which was supposedly a nuclear reactor under construction. At the same time, Syrian air defense again demonstrated its complete helplessness.
        So far, the only real achievement of the Syrian air defense was the downing of the Turkish Phantom reconnaissance unit last year, presumably the ZRAK Shell C1. Of course, I hope that I'm wrong. Yours faithfully! hi
        Syrian MiG-29

        Syrian MiG-23
    2. Tuzik 29 August 2013 11: 19 New
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      we won’t know the whole truth, no one bothered to upgrade old models, the same one upgraded from 200 is no worse than new models, and this doesn’t need to be done much work, equipment on antennas and missiles can be replaced in Tihari.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 29 August 2013 11: 30 New
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        It was necessary to think before the war. But not on time.
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          It was necessary to think before the war. But not on time.

          Now it is time for him to think about a one-way ticket for the whole family somewhere in Venezuela. Assad himself is by no means attractive to me, and if I hang him, I personally will not begin to shed tears. But I would not want to hear about the Syrian version of the basement in the Ipatiev House. So it would be nice for Assad to read the biography of Nicholas II Romanov, especially the last pages, and draw conclusions while the civilian sides are still flying. But at the same time to refresh the knowledge of ophthalmology - it can be useful in exile.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 29 August 2013 14: 50 New
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      It is a pity of course that Russia and Iran, having a large margin of time, could not help Assad reliably cover the sky.



      why ... look what he has .....

      The Syrian army has promised to raise 8000 kamikaze pilots into the sky in the event that Western countries try to attack the country, reports Al Arabiya. wassat

      It is reported that the pilots have undergone special psychological training and are ready to "ram the American or British ships," Gazeta.Ru reports.
      1. alone 29 August 2013 19: 59 New
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        belay where Syria has 8000 aircraft. so much even Russia does not have!
  17. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 29 August 2013 10: 52 New
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    If we succeed, then for the first time we will see the destroyed S-300 and S-400 complexes ... Single deliveries will not help, the whole system needs to be modernized.

    When hit, they will surely be in priority goals.
  18. Georgic 29 August 2013 10: 52 New
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    At least something.
  19. Ross 29 August 2013 10: 53 New
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    and then Israeli fighters who recently bombed the suburbs of Damascus didn’t shoot down .....


    The article indicates that the dead zone is from Lebanon. Mountains and old radars.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 29 August 2013 12: 17 New
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      dead zone from Lebanon. Mountains and old radars.



      it doesn’t flatter anyone)) when bombs fall on his head))) but they didn’t think about it before ... by the way ... but they say the S-300 sees everything and he doesn’t care ... no mountains, no plains ... let them put the S-300 there ... I'm afraid the truth is not in the air defense systems ... but the fact is that the country's air defense is at the level of portable air defense systems .... hi
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        The S-300 locators, as well as the other locator, and the mountains and valleys have the same obstacles. It’s just that they are more perfect and more noise-resistant, but the radar beam has not yet been taught to bend around the surface of an obstacle
  20. unclevad 29 August 2013 10: 56 New
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    So they managed to install at least one battery!


    Maybe they did, only who will fight on it? Syrians or ours? And how much will she stand with such a massive blow?
  21. vinni
    vinni 29 August 2013 11: 03 New
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    "... training in anti-aircraft firing techniques (missile launches) with all types of anti-aircraft weapons available, both modern and technology of the last century ..." That's right !!! I would also add - the ability to use SAMs not only for their intended purpose, but for delivering strikes against ground (surface) targets, especially since even in old Soviet systems such a firing regime was and was regularly practiced by combat crews ... This is especially important in the absence of Syria enough anti-ship missile weapons ...
    1. donavi49 29 August 2013 11: 11 New
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      They have an anti-ship weapon there. Starting from the Bastions-P (how many and what Jews destroyed unclearly), Redoubts, Frontiers and ending with the Sino-Iranian Noors.

      Each of these missiles is long-range and more effective than even heavy missiles.
  22. schta
    schta 29 August 2013 11: 06 New
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    Yes, the loss of an aircraft carrier by the Americans would be a very sensitive blow. However, the amers are not fools. If they feel danger, they will cover their aircraft carrier with a human shield from the AUG escort. you get it just like that.
    1. donavi49 29 August 2013 11: 14 New
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      All aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. In the Mediterranean, only the British Ocean hangs - so he is a helicopter carrier.

      So far, rumors about the sending of Charles De Gaulle are not confirmed.

      However, the destroyer will also be a huge loss. But they are unlikely even to 350 km approach the shore. Fortunately, the range of the Axes allows you to shoot through Syria through 400 km of removal.
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        Fortunately, the range of the Axes allows you to shoot through Syria through 400 km of removal.


        It would be possible to "take" the "axes" somewhere to the side ...
        Let's say US satellites in the region fellow
  23. Yeraz 29 August 2013 11: 21 New
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    Well, let's see, the American media say, the strike will be dealt tonight.
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      The probability of 50% is either inflicted or not. wassat
  24. ed65b
    ed65b 29 August 2013 11: 31 New
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    Yes, it remains only to wait.
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    Well - well, we are waiting for the attack of the West to the East - let's see what the defense system based on Soviet technology is in reality. Oh, Belarus and Russia would be helped by competent calculations and intelligence.
    1. Anatolich 29 August 2013 18: 14 New
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      Maybe it’s not for nothing that the Belorussian air defense commander was appointed the commander of the combined air defense forces of Russia and Belarus
  26. scientist 29 August 2013 11: 44 New
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    As always, Soviet and Russian advisers made the main emphasis on firearms, as the most expensive ones, and radio intelligence based on the residual principle was funded, there are no passive radars and EWs at all, but they are irreplaceable in conditions of interference. Well, how will the ZRV shoot at the director, if they only have a direction, and the director, for example, is far beyond the borders of the affected area? I’m silent about ACS in general, it seems that it will only interfere, introducing additional chaos when the air defense system will fight for survivability.
    Regarding the application of PRLR, I would like to remind you that they are not used in the conditions of interference, the guidance heads go astray, so turning off the interference is a clear sign. I would like to hope that there is something like a “newspaperman” in Syria to divert missiles, cheaply and very effectively. After all, each missile is comparable to the cost of the radar.
    No need to discount S-125 and S-75 systems. although they are old, they have an optical channel that allows you to start firing in radio silence mode.
    And of course, everything will be decided by how much the combat crew will be able to quickly change their deployment and disguise themselves. Syria is certainly not a Vietnamese jungle, but a good smoke and aerosol screen will not hurt.
    It is also very effective to use jammers for GPS, small-sized and cheap.
  27. Alekseev 29 August 2013 12: 49 New
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    The main conclusion from the article of a specialist (and not a chatterbox, of which there are many): modern Syrian air defense systems can only withstand modern airborne assault systems of the same quality as the Syrian air defense system, which is probably not there.
    The civil war is, however, with all the consequences ...
    So the Syrians do not repel the air strike.
    They need to think about other ways to sting the "democrats" painfully.
  28. gerafak 29 August 2013 12: 58 New
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    How can we talk about the chances of Syria now, when in the past, together with half the Arab world, they could not destroy the air force of small Israel? Now Syria is alone, and half the world is against them. One must be realistic, bring down at least a dozen NATO aircraft - this will be the maximum achievement.
  29. Shtyn dwarf 29 August 2013 13: 45 New
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    But on the radar, you can shoot from a long-range sniper! From a distance of 3 km. What should I do, given that the area is deserted, and saboteurs can easily sneak up at night?
  30. berimor
    berimor 29 August 2013 13: 52 New
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    The article, of course, is interesting, but why disclose everything in such detail. It seems that this is done on purpose. For this before scribbler would grab on the horns to the fullest! Here they are - the charms of shit democracy and permissiveness. We ourselves reveal all the possibilities of the Syrians. When will this diarrhea stop !!! There’s some kind of illness! Every man ... wants to show his intellect!
  31. ed65b
    ed65b 29 August 2013 13: 53 New
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    Something our Israeli friends fell silent, probably standing in lines for gas masks.
    1. Apollo 29 August 2013 14: 02 New
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      The main air defense forces of Syria
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 29 August 2013 14: 14 New
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      Quote: ed65b
      Something our Israeli friends fell silent



      while I pout for them) wassat getting cons))) when, like Alexander Romanov, for the same thoughts as mine, he gets pluses ...... laughing
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        ed65b 29 August 2013 16: 59 New
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        Hi, smersh. I put a plus compensation so to speak drinks
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 29 August 2013 17: 18 New
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          Quote: ed65b
          I put a plus compensation so to speak


          Hello !!! Thank you !!!!!!! drinks smile
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        Quote: smersh70
        Quote: ed65b
        Something our Israeli friends fell silent



        while I pout for them) wassat getting cons))) when, like Alexander Romanov, for the same thoughts as mine, he gets pluses ...... laughing

        And from Amer plus get not in the middle? Then I put it. laughing
    3. Bort radist 29 August 2013 14: 24 New
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      Good day to all.
      Quote: ed65b
      Something our Israeli friends fell silent
      and american. Two days ago, there was joy, but they quieted down.
  32. Bort radist 29 August 2013 14: 13 New
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    Shumer "Your truth, a weapon without a competent head and skillful hands is nothing."
    The comments on this video say that the Mujahideen are trying to shoot the gunner of the government troops. But it seems to me they were trying to fight with an air target.
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      here’s the gunner and brought it, well done wink
  33. Serafim1983
    Serafim1983 29 August 2013 14: 15 New
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    Air defense is necessary in order to repulse the blow and subsequently deliver a conrod shock to suppress the enemy’s offensive means, Syria does not have the strength and means to strike the United States. It is sad if Russia and China do not stand up for their friendly neighbor. In the case of large-scale gang aggression. States any means of defense will be suppressed by the BUK, S-300, or even S-500. Syria needs to be armed with formidable offensive weapons, then immediately in the west the rabies will cool.
    In my opinion, GDP will not surrender Syria, and if China helps, then gangs. states will also be crap one's pants, ridiculed .... that’s why they hesitate to weigh the pros and cons.
    1. Drummer 29 August 2013 20: 19 New
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      Syria is interesting for GDP only in terms of supporting the image of a fighter with the ubiquitous Pentagon, when it smells fried, Pu will merge its Arab friends without hesitation.
    2. repytw 29 August 2013 20: 23 New
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      how there is no offensive weapon, but a chemical one. Assad has nothing to lose, a couple of attacks on Israel, Turkey and chemical sabotage on the attacking bases and aggressors will not be before the war
      1. alone 29 August 2013 20: 26 New
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        Quote: repytw
        how there is no offensive weapon, but a chemical one. Assad has nothing to lose, a couple of attacks on Israel, Turkey and chemical sabotage on the attacking bases and aggressors will not be before the war


        Syria will become a big desert after that, where thorns will grow
  34. dmb
    dmb 29 August 2013 14: 17 New
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    In principle, it all depends on how much Assad is supported by the army and the people. There is support, it may well survive. Moreover, the only effective way to fight is sabotage, and on the territory of the enemy. First of all, the States and the Britons. And this is not terrorism, but war by affordable means. Otherwise, I would have to admit that Nikolai Kuznetsov, destroying German officials, acted inhumanly, and the bombing of Berlin was generally an act of barbarism. The occupier is not entitled to mercy. (Speech about the destruction of civilians, which are engaged in various with the filing of the same States, I naturally do not lead).
    1. Alekseev 29 August 2013 16: 27 New
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      Absolutely accurate definition!
      The infrastructure of the aggressor should be the first goal for the Syrians.
      To think about the brain "in both the barracks and Alabama": is it worth it to climb everywhere with your own shit-crashing despite the death of hundreds of thousands of "democratized".
      And they won’t have a chance to win the anti-air battle with the old air defense equipment, and even in the conditions of collapse, which is inevitable during the civil war.
      1. Pimply 29 August 2013 17: 43 New
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        Quote: Alekseev
        The infrastructure of the aggressor should be the first goal for the Syrians.

        Syria will hit the States? Or Saudi Arabia? How?
        1. Alekseev 29 August 2013 20: 54 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          Syria will hit the States? Or Saudi Arabia? How?

          You are such a sensible forum member and do not know?
          And to blow up civilians is not necessary at all, although one of them is likely to suffer, as well as during the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic, by the way.
          It is as if there are no fuel and lubricant storage facilities, ports, LNG plants in Qatar, etc., for the destruction of which, sometimes a grenade launcher (or petro) is enough
          If Syria does not have agents for such matters, then there is nothing to do, "let the vanquished cry." The Saudis and the same Qatar found the same agents in order to fight under Damascus.
          1. Pimply 30 August 2013 01: 01 New
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            Quote: Alekseev
            It is as if there are no fuel and lubricant storage facilities, ports, LNG plants in Qatar, etc., for the destruction of which, sometimes a grenade launcher (or petro) is enough

            Yeah. Can you imagine the logistics of such operations?
            1. Alekseev 30 August 2013 13: 07 New
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              Quote: Pimply
              Yeah. Can you imagine the logistics of such operations?
              wink
              Words you make up!
              This logistics has been presented more than once throughout the world.
              The most intelligible in the United States 11.09.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX.
              So much for that ... request
              (And just do not think that I justify terrorism, just about logistics reminded. By the way, something was not heard from the United States and its people, not just the condemnation of numerous terrorist attacks carried out in Syria by "rebels")
        2. vadson 29 August 2013 21: 11 New
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          few Syrians in Europe or America, can find a fanatic and make a mess in the rear
    2. Drummer 29 August 2013 20: 22 New
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      So well supported by the people that even Damascus is not completely in control. The Sunni majority in Syria is opposed to Assad and the Alawites.
      1. Alekseev 29 August 2013 20: 58 New
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        Quote: Drummer
        The Sunni majority in Syria is opposed to Assad and the Alawites.

        And for whom is this Sunni majority, against whom is it not opposed?
        Probably loves Israel very much! wassat
        East, savages, with your nobility, horses e ....
        1. Drummer 29 August 2013 21: 22 New
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          East, savages, with your nobility, horses e ....

          In fact of the matter. Some bearded men cut others, no one is sorry.
  35. IOwTZ 29 August 2013 14: 34 New
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    Bashar al-Assad needs to try very hard to disrupt the plans of the West to "reformat" his country

    The author, hundreds of thousands of Syrian lives are at stake, and you picked up a word "reformatting his country."
    1. Apollo 29 August 2013 14: 56 New
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      Latvian Defense Minister calls on Europe not to be afraid of Syria

      RIGA, 29 August. Latvian Minister of Defense Artis Pabriks calls on Europe not to be afraid of an attack from Syria.

      http://www.rosbalt.ru/exussr/2013/08/29/1169771.html

      to give this Artis cuffs and kicks so that he sat quietly in place and did not jerk.
      1. Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 15: 21 New
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        Latvian Defense Minister calls on Europe not to be afraid of Syria

        Latvia will probably protect all of Europe wassat
      2. tilovaykrisa 29 August 2013 15: 31 New
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        This is another Baltic patient in a psychiatric hospital, where it’s fashionable for them to put clinical idiots and paranoid on leading posts.
      3. fedorovith
        fedorovith 29 August 2013 15: 34 New
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        Well, should this same slime stick its bent nickel somewhere, otherwise they’ll forget about them ....
      4. pensioner 29 August 2013 19: 25 New
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        Latvian Defense Minister calls on Europe not to be afraid of Syria

        This is strong !! Podika and military rubber boats ready to share ...
      5. mark021105 29 August 2013 19: 59 New
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        It’s good for him to yap at the “back of the geyrops” ... And with impunity. Such "singing along", litter p_i_ndosovskih from the former "Union", would be castrated ...
  36. Internal combustion engine 29 August 2013 15: 09 New
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    Yes, everything is simple. Putin would send ships to Syria and say that all missiles flying in Syria would be shot down. If the rockets fly on the ships, then those who sent them will be destroyed.
    1. tilovaykrisa 29 August 2013 15: 32 New
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      Beautiful of course, but somewhat divorced from reality.
  37. kirpich 29 August 2013 15: 13 New
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    Quote: Ka-52

    There is a lot of iron, only who will use it?

    Okay, there are machine guns and RPGs, you don’t need to use them a lot of intelligence, but does Assad have a lot of specialists in electronic warfare, air defense, the same pilots ?!

    That’s all crap.

    For such a short period of time, you can’t train specialists. Arabs have a lot
    Techspec? Yes, and we, too, Communication and electronic warfare are in decline. Both in terms of elemental base and in frames ..
    Are there many Ptushnikov on our site now? How many of them have fives in physics and mathematics? Which of them knows how to correctly solder and assemble chips?


    Techspec - Cuba, Angola, Kuwait, Vietnam, Egypt, South Africa, ... I do not want to list further.

    ... Do you think nerds with honors worked there? No.
    They drank beer, and loved girls, and got deuces in physics and mathematics. They graduated from high school, went to technical schools, technical schools, institutes and received knowledge. Then they went to the ARMY and applied the acquired knowledge as intended.
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      berimor 8 September 2013 14: 43 New
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      Do not forget that at that time there were specialists and techies trained in Soviet schools, and not on the exam. I myself was in Egypt and Syria, I can compare the military specialists of those years and today. This is heaven and earth !!!
  38. 0990391089
    0990391089 29 August 2013 15: 57 New
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    Sichas is not that Syria
  39. goats denis
    goats denis 29 August 2013 16: 25 New
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    Yes, understand that they (NATO) will not bomb Syria, most likely the fate of Assad will be decided by the fifth column, the Americans have already transferred money to some high-ranking Syrian generals, they will simply remove the president. But moving the fleet, a meeting of NATO ministers, flying military aircraft - all this is an information war, A kind of edification to the following victims (Russia, Iran) do not anger us (USA), otherwise we will ...
    1. lewerlin53rus 29 August 2013 16: 48 New
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      Quote: Denis Goats
      edification of the following victims (Russia, Iran)

      Something I do not represent Russia as a victim. When trying to directly war with RUSSIA, THE WHOLE ALREADY WORLD WILL ALREADY PERFORM AS A VICTIM
  40. ATATA 29 August 2013 17: 01 New
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    No air defense Syria, from air strikes now will not save.
    So-called asymmetric responses are needed.
    Those. Terror in the United States, Western Europe (especially England), Turkey and Israel.
    With many thousandth victims, otherwise Syria is a pipe, but only in response to NATO air strikes.
    1. Pimply 29 August 2013 17: 44 New
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      Those. Terror in the United States, Western Europe (especially England), Turkey and Israel.
      With many thousandth victims, otherwise Syria is a pipe, but only in response to NATO air strikes.

      Bravo. Do you support terrorism? Why are you better than those against whom you are opposed?
      1. Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 05 New
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        He simply put it wrong. It was necessary to write "reconnaissance and sabotage groups must conduct acts of sabotage on the territory of the enemy aimed at worsening the morale of the troops participating in the operation against Syria."
        1. ATATA 29 August 2013 18: 18 New
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          He simply put it wrong. It was necessary to write "reconnaissance and sabotage groups must conduct acts of sabotage on the territory of the enemy aimed at worsening the morale of the troops participating in the operation against Syria."

          Yes, something like that. drinks
        2. pensioner 29 August 2013 19: 28 New
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          "reconnaissance and sabotage groups must conduct acts of sabotage on enemy territory aimed at worsening the morale of the troops participating in the operation against Syria."

          !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ++++++++++++ good
      2. ATATA 29 August 2013 18: 11 New
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        Bravo. Do you support terrorism? Why are you better than those against whom you are opposed?

        And what about unpunished air strikes, NATO, is this not terrorism?
        If you support them, then this is terrorism, (but in fact it is).
        ps But YOUR essence has long been clear to me, and not to me alone.
        That's why you rolled here from the general.
        Pimply do not read me morality. Look in the mirror.
        1. Drummer 29 August 2013 20: 28 New
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          It’s strange. Five years ago in Russia everyone understood well what terrorism is.
        2. Corsair 29 August 2013 21: 22 New
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          Quote: ATATA
          And what about unpunished air strikes, NATO, is this not terrorism?


          Of course not! ... THIS IS TERRORISM AT THE STATE LEVEL negative

          Try more of these "soak in the outhouse", the stink will not turn around request
      3. ruslan207 1 September 2013 20: 37 New
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        Terrorism is supported by the United States fighting for an alkaeda against Syria everyone understands the United States they want to oust Russia these thugs from Syria will then flood the Caucasus
  41. varov14 29 August 2013 17: 04 New
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    As always, first of all, civilians will get it. What everyone is silent for some reason. On occasion, manpower can be concentrated, buried at last. Then comes the civil war, which obviously goes by other rules. And in this case, the more “stingers”, “hl” the better, it all depends on the strength of mind, you will not chase every soldier with an airplane, and with a tomahawk, too, you need to fundamentally change the rules of the game, just think with your head, accept specific decisions, specific officers, since there are no modern weapons and try to fight. So let's see how much Muslims value their lives.
    1. alone 29 August 2013 20: 56 New
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      hundreds of satellites are already plowing there, which are even detected by toilets. you just can’t imagine the relief. some settlements close to the borders and the desert is big. satellites are there detecting all movement. + half of the territory are not controlled by asad. the troops are gathered around cities and towns. yes, Westerners are flawed, nasty, nasty.
      but they are strong. There are almost no chances. and that is a fact.
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  43. saag 29 August 2013 17: 36 New
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    the more "stingers", "hl" the better

    They tomahawks or something to shoot down, you will notice it with the stinger when it bangs nearby
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    somewhere I met a very effective and simple means against low-altitude targets, helicopters and cruise missiles. The principle is very simple. The mine is placed under a gravel cart, and a microphone is used as a fuse, which is carried out from the mine several tens of meters in the direction of the intended flight of targets. They say crushed stone completely blocks the airspace to a height of 300 meters for several minutes. It seems that Ukrainian inventors suggested, and even somewhere the problem of setting minefields for low-altitude purposes was discussed.
    In Syria, this technology would be very useful. All of the tools at hand, cheap and cheerful. If anyone finds discard the link.
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      sashka 2 September 2013 08: 51 New
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      Quote: scientist
      somewhere I met a very effective and simple means against low-altitude targets, helicopters and cruise missiles.

      Somewhere in the newspaper was about a slingshot "hunting", in all seriousness
  45. Ivan Tarasov 29 August 2013 19: 03 New
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    It is best to put shock UAVs and combat robots.
    First you need to knock out the enemy biomass, otherwise the air defense will be in jeopardy.
    1. sashka
      sashka 29 August 2013 20: 45 New
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      It is best to put shock UAVs and combat robots.
      First you need to knock out the enemy biomass, otherwise the air defense will be in jeopardy.

      Are you a joker .. Have you seen enough of the militants or have you heard enough of Rogozin and the great poo?
      1. Ivan Tarasov 2 September 2013 06: 46 New
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        And what do you think, those who spray sarin are also jokers?
        So, first, shock UAVs and combat robots ...
        1. sashka
          sashka 2 September 2013 09: 43 New
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          So, first, shock UAVs and combat robots ..

          Build first. All the other conversations later. Before my eyes they demolished the whole (Two) Aircraft Plants. One in Tashkent is the other in Saratov .. If I start to "emerge" they will call me a terrorist .. How easy and simple ..
  46. theadenter 29 August 2013 19: 53 New
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    The supply of S-300 or analogues will only worsen the situation and create an additional threat to Syria.
    It is much better to put a naval group on the coast of Syria in full combat readiness.
    Just swim there and not touch anyone. The very presence of Russian ships will make the attackers scratch their turnips and linger for consultations with the military headquarters. May retreat.
  47. sashka
    sashka 29 August 2013 20: 43 New
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    If you hadn’t said that the article was about Syria, then I would have thought that about Russia .. I don’t think that we have gone far ..
  48. GUSAR 29 August 2013 21: 41 New
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    Syria needs something, Syria needs it, but is there enough time ?! Comrade Assad had to think earlier, life doesn’t teach some, examples of Milosevic and Gaddafi who had both time and money and the opportunity to develop a normal air defense system did not seem to convince the Syrian leadership, and who would be to blame if Syria was rolled up, and if necessary, it necessarily wrap up. For the leaders of other states not particularly friendly with the United States, Syria is another example, namely, build an air defense system while there is time. Although Syria is really needed as an example, were there few predecessors? ...
    1. sashka
      sashka 2 September 2013 14: 32 New
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      Quote: GUSAR
      Syria needs something, Syria needs it

      With great respect to you .. the letter "e" do not forget and do not forget .. Many people whom we are not good at noticing. I'm also not Sanya, but Alexander Yuryevich Sanya for friends ..
  49. aud13 29 August 2013 21: 43 New
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    To hit cruise missile carriers, bombers are not needed, but fighters.
    And the Syrians say they are armed with our SU-24. Maybe with their help it will be possible to drive off the destroyers of the state?
    And one more question. If Bastin-P, with a missile launch range of up to 350 km., Cannot reach the place from which the shelling will be fired, is it possible to load them onto any vessel, come closer and strike from the sea?
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