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The invasion of Syria will turn into an ethno-religious meat grinder: military experts

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The invasion of Syria will turn into an ethno-religious meat grinder: military experts

No decision to invade Syria is still pending. This was a REGNUM expert said Orientalist Russian Institute of Strategic Studies and Analysis Sergey Demidenko, commenting Raised in information media storm about the imminent start of the international military operation against the Syrian government. Judge urged not to jump to conclusions and comprehensively analyzed the situation and possible scenarios of its development.


"I would not hurry with critical assessments, especially since there is no informational reason for this. However, he is - Bashar Assad is accused of serious crimes - mass murder of the population, the use of chemical weapons, and so on. World media picked up this trend, now it sounds the so-called “white noise.” But first you need to understand what happened after all, who used the chemical weapon. On the other hand, words and statements are one thing, and the US president really does not want to get involved in the Syrian conflict not in word, but in deed. After the American leader announced the “red line” for Assad - the use of weapons of mass destruction - several messages emerged in the media on this topic, which the administration of the US president simply ignored. In addition, even last Friday, Obama gave an interview to CNN, where he quite unequivocally said the following: without international sanctions, the United States would not go to the intervention in Syria. At the same time, the presidential administration of the United States, under the initiative of the Saudi-Qatari lobby, is under pressure, including through Congress, with serious pressure. But so far it is far from the desired effect, "said Demidenko.

Orientalist reminded that all information relating to an alleged intentions of the United States to invade Syria, taken from anonymous sources. "All that we know about the intentions of Americans, given with reference to the obscure, unnamed sources in the best case in the administration of President of the USA. We also have a public statement by the Minister of Defense of the United States of America, Chuck Hagel, but he said something? If you get a grasp of this promise, the Pentagon chief said the following: If a subsequent order of the Supreme Commander, we're ready. nothing sensational ", - he said.

At the same time, Sergei Demidenko repeated that the United States is not interested in participating in a full-scale operation, the introduction of ground troops into Syria, massive bombing, etc. "I do not exclude that if Americans, so to speak," get ", they can decide on individual point attacks on objects on the territory of Syria, some European partners of the United States may participate in it, this is also possible, but this will not solve anything, the overall picture will not change, and therefore it makes no sense.As for the large-scale invasion - a strategic war, the overthrow of B ballad Assad, control of the country, "the US does not need it, it is too expensive, uncomfortable and unpromising." In Syria, there is nothing to profit, "Demidenko said, adding that periodically popping up in the media and unimaginable oil and gas reserves are not confirmed and often prove to be a "duck". No serious geological and reconnaissance work, these data are not confirmed, he said.

According to the Institute of Strategic Studies and Analysis, without the participation of such a campaign in Washington to crank nobody can. "Talk about the fact that France and Britain could start such a campaign on their own, are not serious. Hypothetically, of course they can make several sorties, hitting multiple targets, but long and tedious to bomb Syria, following the example of Libya would be too expensive. Limited resources and against the backdrop of a very difficult financial and economic situation at home, Paris and London are unlikely to be solved by such costs, "- he said.

As for the Syrian neighbors, with whom Bashar Assad has a very ambiguous relationship - Israel and Turkey, then, according to him, there is nothing to worry about. "Israel took a principled position - cruel neutrality, even during attacks on targets on Syrian territory, Israel did not touch government troops, choosing for itself only warehouses with weapons and ammunition." In Tel Aviv they try to solve their problems with Hezbollah, , it's not enough that the Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu officially forbade the members of the Cabinet of Ministers to use the word "Syria" aloud in official speeches.In Israel, Assad will not say what they like, but clearly the ponies Bashar al-Assad regime, there will be such an Islamist rampage ... Today, Assad is the only shuttle from the Sunni rampage on the border with Israel, let's not forget that by definition, there is no Islamist who would love Israel. ", - the expert reminded.

On the part of Turkey, Sergei Demidenko noted that Ankara does not need to intervene. "Turks to the Kurds inside the country lacked only Syrian ones, while the latter openly supported the Syrian president, of course, Turkey can take it into its head to take advantage of the turmoil, take and introduce troops, annex half of Syria, and join it. "In addition, the introduction of troops into Syria for Turkey means derailing all the economic achievements of recent years." Taking several billion from the budget and throwing them into a Syrian cauldron is unlikely to decide in Ankara what they need, especially since to compensate them There will not be anything, "Demidenko said.

As for the forecast of the consequences of the invasion, if it still takes place contrary to common sense, Demidenko described them as "very sad." "Let's start with the fact that Syria will cease to exist, it will turn into a territory of chaos, where an unbelievable boiling cauldron of Alawites, Shiites, Sunnis, Wahhabis, Christians will appear on religious and confessional grounds, and there is also ethnic - Arabs, Druze, Armenians, Kurds ... And Syria is not Iraq, where there was a certain ethnoconfessional compactness, everything is mixed, especially in the west of the country, which means that in case of the collapse of Syria in the region, there will be a meat grinder, "Demidenko is sure.

Head of the Center for Military Forecasting Anatoly Tsyganok in an interview with REGNUM also estimated the likelihood of a ground operation against Syria small. "Syria is not Iraq or Libya, there is a regular, armed army that has been engaged in active hostilities for already 2,5 year, that is, it is not in a state of stagnation." If the West does decide to take such an ill-considered step, it will have to repeat the Yugoslav scenario, because it will not be possible to achieve international sanctions in the UN Security Council because of the tough position of Russia and China.In addition, in the elites of Western countries there is a discord on the Syrian problem.This feeling that the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. the Western coalition intervened If the West was accused of this indirectly because of the support of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, which financed terrorism almost all over the world, then after the invasion of Syria, any indirection would be inappropriate. This will mean one thing - direct, open and unequivocal support of international terrorism, "he stressed.

Tsiganok assigns a key role in the development of the script Iran. The expert recalled the statement of the deputy chief of staff of the armed forces of Iran Masoud Jazayeri that the invasion of Syria will be consequences for the United States. "The United States knows where the red line on Syria. Intersection of this line will result in the most serious consequences for the White House," - said Jazayeri.

"There should not be any discrepancies here: in case of a military operation against Syria, Iran will bring its troops to Syria, which will be possible thanks to the support of the Iraqi leadership, and Iran will also make every effort to block the Strait of Hormuz." In addition, the Iranian factor has the potential to play a deterrent role for the neighbors of Syria, Turkey and Israel, who if they decide to intervene, will face the need to fight on two fronts, in the case of Turkey, one can not discount the Kurds either in Turkey itself or in Siri And let's not forget the Lebanese Hezbollah, which supports Assad and has already proved its willingness to come to the aid of an ally, "said Tsyganok.

With regard to the formal cause of the escalation of the conflict, namely, reports of alleged use of chemical weapons by government forces against militants, the Gypsies questioned this information. "The Syrian authorities have been negotiating with UN experts for a long time, inviting them to inspect for the use of chemical weapons in Aleppo. The UNO members wanted to study not only the Aleppo case, but also to 'walk' across the country, at strategic points and sites. During the Iraqi campaign they did the same, and it was a screen for collecting intelligence right off the spot. But a compromise between the UN and Assad was finally found, the inspectors arrived in Syria, and in such a situation the president of the country had no need to use chemical weapons. the so-called "opposition", timed to coincide with the visit of the UN representatives, "the interlocutor expressed confidence.

In general, Anatoly Tsyganok described the situation in Syria as a "game on the verge of a foul", which is led by the West. At the same time, he was less skeptical about reports on the presence of large oil and gas reserves in Syria. "The Syrian conflict is a war for oil.In the spring of this year it became known that a small exploration company from Norway discovered huge reserves of energy resources in small Syria - oil and gas.The exploration and production of these resources would allow Syria to take the first place in the list of world oil exporters and gas .This is a tasty morsel to which the West wants to break, "- summed up the expert.
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  1. experienced
    experienced 29 August 2013 15: 36
    26
    So that's all they need! Local "savages" exterminate each other, and PMCs guard gas and oil pipelines winked Who else naively believes about "democracy"? Iraq and Libya are illustrative examples of a new "world order". Well, the American ambassador was torn to pieces in Libya, but there were much more bonuses.
    1. experienced
      experienced 29 August 2013 16: 00
      10
      From the French press
      On August 26, an Israeli delegation flew to Washington urgently to inform the Obama administration of its doubts about the need and effectiveness of the military operation in Syria. A real military council arrived in the United States, led by national security adviser Jacob Amidror.

      Israel needed to prepare for how American attacks on Syria might affect its security. Even if the Israelis do not take part in the operation, they may be embroiled in conflict, although they are in no way interested in this.

      The Israelis do not have a clear outline of this operation, which ultimately can strengthen the position of the Islamists to the detriment of the so-called "moderate" opposition. Besides, Israel has nothing to blame for the regime of Hafez and Bashar al-Assad, which supports the cold world: since 1973, not a single shot was fired on the Syrian border.

      The results of previous experiments in Iraq and Libya showed that the new regimes turned out to be even worse than the old ones. As a result, chaos reigned, during which the Iranians managed to gain a foothold there, where before they had no move. Iraq became an Iranian colony, and Al-Qaeda annexed Libya, turning the country into a base for the spread of radical Islamism in Africa and even Sinai.

      Now it is impossible to predict what the new government will be in the event of the overthrow of the Bashar al-Assad regime. Israel cannot allow a nest of Islamists to form a hundred kilometers from its border.

      In this way, Israel decided to stay away from the operation, which, in its opinion, is doomed to failure. He himself will choose the place and time of the intervention, if he considers that his safety is at risk. The Syrian problem has become yet another proof of the growing divergence between the positions of Israel and the United States in geopolitical and military strategy in the Middle East.


      Totally here: http://www.inosmi.ru/world/20130829/212381071.html

      There are "games" and escalation of the situation, but there is no agreement in the camp of the "allies" ... hi
      1. S-200
        S-200 29 August 2013 16: 10
        0
        Quote: seasoned
        Israel decided to stay away

        does anyone believe in IT ?
        demonstration of holy peacefulness, the same pacists, aphids .... wassat when the seriously fried smell!
        It seems the Jews did not destroy the Syrian Bastion-S and their BK ... here and very good smell the Day of Judgment!
        1. experienced
          experienced 29 August 2013 16: 19
          +5
          Quote: S-200
          Does anyone believe in IT? demonstration of holy peacefulness, nevertheless, pacists, aphids .... when the smell of a seriously fried smell! It seems the Jews did not destroy the Syrian Bastion-S and their entire BC ... that’s very good!

          It seems to me that the peculiarities of mentality work here. What kind of hnya to get into the "mess" right away, no, it doesn't fit, let's first agree, "we'll have a goose out of this" winked Trade now goes between everyone and at the highest level. Analysts consider how much they will spend and how much they will have and whom they can use for free ... Modern database realities wink
          1. WASABI
            WASABI 29 August 2013 17: 30
            +3
            Quote: seasoned
            "sho we will have from this goose"

            From "that goose" we will have a complete crap! And this is at least !!! I believe that we must tackle the problem from the other side and not try to correct the consequences, but root out the source of all tension in the world (fortunately, it is not far away).
            Quote: seasoned
            What the hell

            Fi !!! Mister "experienced", why not ashamed to use such expressions in ladies' society ?! Be ashamed !!!
            1. experienced
              experienced 29 August 2013 17: 37
              10
              Quote: VASABI
              I believe that it is necessary to tackle the problem from another edge and not try to correct the consequences, but to eradicate the source of all tension in the world (since it is not far away).

              You reminded me of this Marked wassat
              Quote: VASABI
              Mister "experienced", why not ashamed to use such expressions in ladies' society ?! Be ashamed !!!

              Svetlana hi so you are not on the forum of a glamorous magazine ... And about the "ladies' society" you somehow got excited, the society here is male, sometimes a little diluted by ladies, however, earlier some of them in terms of the "Russian language" could drive some men into paint wassat Here, as they say: "I am an old soldier and I do not know the words of love ..." (c) wassat
              Well, ashamed ... repeat Now some books and not with such words come out, so if "the eye was cut", then sorry love
              1. WASABI
                WASABI 29 August 2013 18: 04
                -1
                Quote: seasoned
                society here is masculine, sometimes a little diluted by ladies

                Even one lady in a purely male team is enough for all sorts of grease to be considered "not camilfo"
                Quote: seasoned
                "I am an old soldier and do not know the words of love ..."

                I hope you don’t consider me "Bottom Rose"? tongue
                Quote: seasoned
                Now some books do not come out with such words

                On some stages there were (and still are) performances of strictly erotic content, but this does not mean that we can have sex on the street in broad daylight (although some individuals practice this).
                Quote: seasoned
                excuse me

                Accepted !!! You are forgiven! wink
                1. experienced
                  experienced 29 August 2013 18: 09
                  +6
                  Quote: VASABI
                  I hope you don’t consider me "Bottom Rose"?

                  I am tormented by vague doubts that it was "Don Pedro" who covered himself in the profile with the name "Svetlana" lol . I re-read the comments (there are few of them). This is not the first time you are on a forum, and it shows ... but who are you? Here I can’t say yet winked
                  There are assumptions, but so far I will not voice them, I will hint only at two obvious
                  1. Mother Penguin
                  2. The writer
                  Few comments, while everything is in the veil of mystery wink
                  1. S-200
                    S-200 29 August 2013 18: 31
                    +4
                    and I already (in flagship colors) thought it was the Minister of Defense of Sweden Karin Enstrom belay
                    if not for her proletarian -"not camille".
                    but, as I remember now, even before the revolution ... what
                    it was customary to say - "bad manners"(bad sign)
                    but "tovarischi"XPstarted in your own way! ...
                    request
                    1. WASABI
                      WASABI 29 August 2013 19: 06
                      0
                      Quote: S-200
                      This is the Minister of Defense of Sweden Karin Enström

                      Mrs. Enstrom is a very busy woman. I do not think that she will have a free minute to visit such a respected forum.
                      Quote: S-200
                      as I remember now, even before the revolution

                      Out of respect for your age, let me remind you that both of these French words were used in the French noble-bourgeois environment and gradually spilled over into the use of the Russian nobility, which considered it fashionable to insert French words into Russian speech. Thus, Alexander, the words "bad manners" and "not camilfo" had the same degree of usage and have nothing to do with the proletariat (although I personally have nothing against it)!
                      1. S-200
                        S-200 30 August 2013 00: 10
                        0
                        hi Svetlana, my senile orgasm insanity trembles before your eroditsy ...
                        However, give literary examples of that period of time of use "not camilfo "(in the classes of society you indicated) to prove your case ... winked
                  2. Oleg14774
                    Oleg14774 29 August 2013 18: 38
                    +5
                    Quote: seasoned
                    I hope you don’t consider me "Bottom Rose"?

                    Comrades, and possibly ladies, the question is about Syria and the war, and you are about flirting! wink
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 29 August 2013 18: 45
                      +7
                      Quote: Oleg147741
                      Comrades, and possibly ladies, the question is about Syria and the war, and you are about flirting!

                      We are not about flirting, but about the form of discussion on the site and about the words that can and cannot be used in doing so. hi The issue of Soviet cinema and the reflection of "old soldiers" in its films was partly touched upon. winked
                      And your colleague needs to write Syria with a capital letter, otherwise it looks like it is not respectful lol and do not interfere in other people's flirting drinks
                      1. bodriy
                        bodriy 29 August 2013 21: 20
                        +1
                        A handsome seasoned, made me laugh at bedtime ... oh let me like you friend !!! drinks I’d better go for a beer on the street! winked
                  3. WASABI
                    WASABI 29 August 2013 18: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: seasoned
                    "Don Pedro" was covered in the profile with the name "Svetlana"

                    "Cold" Alexey, but in one thing you are right
                    Quote: seasoned
                    This is not your first time on the forum, and you can see it

                    Commendable, it was not in vain that I drew attention to you.
                    Quote: seasoned
                    but who are you? Here I can’t say yet

                    Go for it! But in order to simplify this process, I will tell you that everything is in order with sexual self-identification (I just ask, do not require me to show evidence) and I did not actively participate in the discussion, although I followed the discussion of many articles.
                    1. bodriy
                      bodriy 29 August 2013 21: 23
                      +5
                      Svetlana is over correct, and I’ll pump a glass for you ... and the fact that you are in your Sweden ... you would have to go to your mother’s motherland, and you’ll need a stronger man !!! !!
                  4. matross
                    matross 29 August 2013 21: 24
                    +3
                    Quote: seasoned
                    I am tormented by vague doubts that it was "Don Pedro" who covered himself in the profile with the name "Svetlana"

                    Quote: seasoned
                    Re-read the comments

                    And I became interested and re-read. What the woman did not write is certain.
                    But a man or not is more complicated, there is not enough material. And who will analyze them there in Sweden? laughing
          2. Manager
            Manager 29 August 2013 17: 40
            +2
            Quote: seasoned
            Analysts consider how much they will spend and how much they will have and who can be used for free ..


            So whom to fuck their sexual fantasies have long settled down. They are still thinking whether they will have enough contraceptives soon. And yet the opinion of Aibolit (Russia) seems to me to be relevant to them. If it is recovered in a hospital, then they will begin this bacchanalia. If they notice that Aibolit is preparing antibiotics and is generally preparing to receive patients, then they will still suffer. According to the worst of events, Aibolit is still not in the hospital.
        2. Bonce
          Bonce 29 August 2013 20: 28
          -6
          Quote: S-200
          that’s how they smell the Doomsday!


          Yeah, yeah, only the facts say the opposite, that when it came to national security, Assad received on the nose, over and over again. I hope that in the event of a NATO attack, he will have enough brains not to drag Israel into it, since we will swallow a couple of rockets into the desert, but if something falls in a populated area and there are casualties, then - war!
          1. WASABI
            WASABI 29 August 2013 20: 39
            +5
            Quote: Kumpol
            but if something falls in a populated area and there are victims, then - war!

            Are you scaring us or are you raising your morale?
            Quote: Kumpol
            I hope in the event of a NATO attack, he has enough brains not to drag Israel into it,

            Afraid of retribution? This is normal. Probably the time has come to answer for the entire mess you made in the world.
            1. Bonce
              Bonce 29 August 2013 20: 54
              -11 qualifying.
              Quote: VASABI
              Afraid of retribution? This is normal. Probably the time has come to answer for the entire mess you made in the world.


              We are certainly not afraid of anything. And now, dear, go down and put a candle on Goebels. wassat
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 29 August 2013 22: 35
                +4
                And because of the gas masks in line?
                And if they weren’t afraid, the queues would be standing behind their hats. To throw enemies.
                1. Hudo
                  Hudo 29 August 2013 22: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  And if they weren’t afraid, the queues would be standing behind their hats. To throw enemies.



                  Kip - not with earflaps, you will not shower much. laughing
                2. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 44
                  0
                  Queues for gas masks in case of any exacerbation.
              2. 31231
                31231 29 August 2013 22: 42
                +1
                Why are most representatives of Israel arrogant ?! At the same time, they are talking about Russian hatred, although in this case we can’t surpass them ?!
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 50
                  0
                  Quote: 31231
                  Why are most representatives of Israel arrogant ?! At the same time, they are talking about Russian hatred, although in this case we can’t surpass them ?!

                  Because most opponents start shouting about Israeli arrogance barely seeing the Israeli flag.
                  1. 31231
                    31231 29 August 2013 23: 20
                    +1
                    Personally, I did not say anything bad about Tsahal. I consider your army to be professionals, but the arrogance of most Jews on the Internet is not a myth. Why are pixels with Azerbaijani, with Latvian, with Moldavian flags getting more positive ratings ?! You do not want to say that this is the site of anti-Semites ?!
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 39
                      0
                      Quote: 31231
                      Why do pixels with Azerbaijani, Latvian, and Moldavian flags get more positive ratings?

                      Because the Jews do not like much more.
                      1. Hudo
                        Hudo 30 August 2013 06: 41
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Because the Jews do not like much more.


                        Why so? Or smoke without fire.
          2. 31231
            31231 29 August 2013 22: 38
            +1
            My friend, why do the inhabitants of the Promised Land believe that in case of NATO aggression, Assad will care about Israel ?! He's like a civil war and NATO aggression, why would he also have Jewish hemorrhoids ?! Or is your media preparing you in advance for the situation "we bombed and we brought in troops because Assad launched a Scud with a chemical warhead, but we shot him down on takeoff"?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 52
              0
              Quote: 31231
              My friend, why do the inhabitants of the promised land believe that in the event of NATO aggression, Assad will care about Israel ?!


              Because its representatives directly stated that they would strike at Israel if a strike was struck on Syria.
              1. 31231
                31231 29 August 2013 23: 15
                +2
                Dada, I remember. All the same "truths". From the beginning, the weapon was supposedly for Hezbollah, and then it is not a sin to call the provocative missile of the rebels against Israel the "Chemical Scud from Assad." Why are you so easily predictable?
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: 31231
                  From the beginning, the weapon was supposedly for Hezbollah, and then it is not a sin to call the provocative missile of the rebels against Israel the "Chemical Scud from Assad." Why are you so easily predictable?

                  Because "forecasts" come from you, and you have a specific and unchanging point of view and a pre-formed opinion.
      2. AVV
        AVV 29 August 2013 16: 46
        +5
        Iran understands that after Assad he will be next! Therefore, Syria just will not give up! If you nevertheless decide to attack, Russia needs to withdraw from the START-2 treaty, as well as start supplying S-zoo or Vityazey to Iran !!! Enough to be shy!
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 29 August 2013 20: 21
        +2
        Quote: seasoned
        The Israelis do not have a clear outline of this operation, which ultimately can strengthen the position of the Islamists to the detriment of the so-called "moderate" opposition. In addition, Israel has nothing to blame for the regime of Hafez and Bashar al-Assad, who supports the cold world: since 1973, not a single shot was fired on the Syrian border.

        - Israeli officials turn out to be able to think and understand, in contrast to local "professors" laughing
        Remember our bitter dispute when Israel bombed something there at Damascus International Airport? Then the "professor" and his gop-company shouted something wildly about the "bloodiness of Assad" and his inevitable execution for this by a terrible execution. We proved exactly what Israeli officials are already voicing in Experienced's post.
        Output? Both the "professor" and those who are with him on this forum "mosk powder" belong to those persons whom Israeli officials ask only to pray a little, and they pray so that they hurt their foreheads. As a result, they look funny. To be honest, one of our reputable (with large shoulder straps laughing ) members of the forum still consider the Professor "sane oppositionist." As for the oppositionist, I agree, as for the verbs - re-read the post, where is there sanity?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 53
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          In addition, Israel has nothing to blame for the regime of Hafez and Bashar al-Assad, who supports the cold world: since 1973, not a single shot was fired on the Syrian border.

          It sounded. And even more - in Lebanon. And in Lebanon.
          1. 31231
            31231 29 August 2013 23: 25
            0
            And when did Lebanese territory become Israeli ?! If a couple of gopniks come to my neighbor to knead him just because he beat off one of them, I have no right to go to him and intercede for him?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 40
              -2
              Quote: 31231
              And when did Lebanese territory become Israeli ?! If a couple of gopniks come to my neighbor to knead him just because he beat off one of them, I have no right to go to him and intercede for him?

              Around the time when Georgian in 2005 - Russian.
              In the course of why the First Lebanese began? I recommend to study the historical background and premises.
              1. shasherin_pavel
                shasherin_pavel 30 August 2013 19: 16
                +1
                In fact, Georgia joined Russia much earlier, and the fact that Russia let go of all these republics, as well as Poland and Finland, has no analogues in the world, I do not mean the acceptance of sovereignty by the colonies (at least by Great Britain, which grabbed the islands, where fewer than 3 English live, but they didn’t give away the top of their own.
      4. 31231
        31231 29 August 2013 22: 31
        +1
        Israel is easily drawn into conflict. Wahi can be beaten up with chemical weapons on its territory, but there is no longer a fact that Nitanyaga will find the right solution.
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 09
      -8
      Democracy is the election of representatives representing the interests of voters, no more. No one cancels the own interests of a country with a democratic regime.
      Quote: seasoned
      Libya is a prime example of a new "world order".

      Libya is quite stable.
      Quote: seasoned
      Iraq

      Approximately the same meat grinder that was under Saddam. The Iran-Iraq war was worth what.
      1. experienced
        experienced 29 August 2013 18: 18
        11
        Quote: Pimply
        Libya is quite stable.

        Bugaga, Zhenya, well, I understand everything, but this phrase killed me with its absurdity hi
        How Libyans lived under Gaddafi and how they survive now is visible to everyone.
        Quote: Pimply
        Approximately the same meat grinder that was under Saddam.

        Compare the number of those killed under Saddam and how many are dying now, and this is on the condition that Syria is pulling off some of the radicals. The Iranian-Iraqi war, at whose "stirring up" began? Saddam was a "doll" played out in the dark by puppeteers
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 31
          -2
          Compared. The Iranian-Iraqi war alone killed about 400 people. During the "Desert Storm" - up to 200 thousand more. Internal repression. So count it.
          During the Iraq war of 2003, the death toll is within 200 thousand.
          Iran-Iraq began because of Saddam's ambitions.
          Quote: seasoned
          Bugaga, Zhenya, well, I understand everything, but this phrase killed me with its absurdity

          And what is the absurdity. Well, judge for yourself. Although they have a post-revolutionary fever - and this always has been - the government is working more or less normally, a transition has been made from an interim government to an elected one, they are slowly pushing former revolutionaries to the nail, and secular forces are in power. What is the problem? After any revolution there are waves, this is a common thing. The question is their size, and whether they are turning into a storm. In Libya - do not turn.
          When Gaddafi, do you think they had a paradise? Well, on a piece of paper. That is why in order to hide the low level of health care, 4 Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor were put in prison.
          1. uhu189
            uhu189 29 August 2013 18: 56
            +6
            Well, it's pretty hard to call the post-revolutionary fever happening in Libya. Cities run by local councils rather than central government, self-defense units instead of the police, constantly operating brigades of revolutionaries not controlled by anyone - is this a stable situation? Is oil production and its transportation under the protection of private security companies also normal? The secular government controls the situation in Tripoli, it has a certain influence in large cities along the coast (and even then not all), and the rest live on their own, essentially uniting into territorial self-governments. The government is working fine, but the results of its work outside Tripoli’s borders do not extend ... Over the 2 of a year, the changes were supposed to happen
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 August 2013 19: 01
              -5
              Quote: uhu189
              Cities run by local councils
              And for what, in your opinion, we need local advice ???
              Quote: uhu189
              self-defense units instead of police

              Are you aware that this is the usual scheme there? There was no army there either.


              Quote: uhu189
              Is oil production and its transportation under the protection of private security companies also normal?

              More than. The norm in many oil producing countries.

              Quote: uhu189
              For 2 years, the change was supposed to happen

              And occur. Little by little.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 29 August 2013 20: 36
                +4
                Quote: Pimply
                Are you aware that this is the usual scheme there? There was no army there either.
                - I wonder, for whom did Gaddafi buy at one time? After all, at one time he was a very large buyer of weapons. If not for the army, then for whom?

                Quote: Pimply
                And for what, in your opinion, we need local advice ???
                - Dear, you do not confuse local government with fully autonomous small-town territorial entities? In historical terms, specific principalities. Pimpled, I beg you to treat us with great respect, not to consider us fools. If you sincerely do not see the difference between local self-government and fully autonomous small-town territorial entities, which Libya has fallen apart, can you explain on fingers? To begin?
                For starters, answer the question: from whom did the French help the Malays fight back? If Libya were normal, as you are trying to imagine, a state that will soon have everything in chocolate, could this be possible?
                Libya is now very similar to Chechnya during the times of Maskhadov. And Maskhadov began to annoy Moscow precisely by the fact that he essentially did not control anything, Chechnya was a stupid set of teips, tribes and detachments belonging to field commanders. How did it end for Chechnya? The difference is that it is thanks to Moscow that Chechnya now lives, and it is thanks to Washington that Libya turned into Chechnya during the Maskhadov era. And it’s not about the doctors' affairs - social protection under Gaddafi was at a very decent level, and now there is no social policy at all, survive as you want. Pimpled. Better wish yourself to live in such a state "after Washington"
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 56
                  -2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  - I wonder, for whom did Gaddafi buy at one time? After all, at one time he was a very large buyer of weapons. If not for the army, then for whom?

                  Gadduffy did not have an army in the full sense of the word. See the history of the Libyan sun. Strongly uncle was afraid of a military coup.

                  Quote: aksakal
                  - Dear, you do not confuse local government with fully autonomous small-town territorial entities? In historical terms, specific principalities.

                  I do not confuse. And I do not hold you for fools. At the moment, in Libya - the usual post-revolutionary situation. If you look at the story, it usually happened like that, with various variations.
                  1. uhu189
                    uhu189 29 August 2013 23: 49
                    +2
                    Dear pimply - with all due respect to you, I cannot agree with you that the situation there is common. The state of Libya as it was no longer exists. From that Libya, there was a narrow strip of territory along the coast (and even then not all) and an area of ​​oil fields with the territory next to the oil pipelines. And that's all ... If you mean this "Libya" - then yes, the situation there will normalize. Everything else is essentially independent territories that do not pay taxes to the general treasury, and, accordingly, do not receive anything from the treasury. Bani Walid, for example, was generally occupied by Gaddafi supporters. I generally keep quiet about the desert. But if we compare it with the usual post-revolutionary situation, it is more likely Egypt, but not Libya. Libya is now essentially no different from Somalia, just nothing is said about it in the media, apparently it is specially filtered so that the ideals of democracy do not undermine
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 44
                      -1
                      Quote: uhu189
                      The state of Libya as it was no longer exists. From that Libya, there was a narrow strip of territory along the coast (and even then not all) and an area of ​​oil fields with an area next to the oil pipelines. And that's all ... If you mean this "Libya" - then yes, the situation there will normalize. Everything else is essentially independent from each other territories that do not pay taxes to the general treasury, and therefore receive nothing from the treasury. Bani Walid, for example, was generally occupied by Gaddafi supporters. I generally keep quiet about the desert. But if we compare it with the usual post-revolutionary situation, it is rather Egypt, but not Libya. Libya is now essentially no different from Somalia, just nothing is said about it in the media, apparently it is specially filtered so that the ideals of democracy do not undermine


                      I recommend recalling what the territory of the USSR looked like from the 18th to the 30s. A bunch of specific princes, especially in Central Asia, often - huge uncontrolled territories. Yes, there are differences, but they are not very radical.

                      In addition, Libya was originally a split state. We are talking about stability now. Relative stability is there. And it is very different from the stability of Somalia.
                  2. aksakal
                    aksakal 29 August 2013 23: 51
                    +3
                    Quote: Pimply
                    At the moment, in Libya - the usual post-revolutionary situation. If you look at the story, it usually happened like that, with various variations.

                    - I strongly disagree! I think that Libya has disappeared as a state, this state simply does not exist! There are no social institutions and no capable (even if corrupt) apparatus, which are signs of the state. There is nothing. There is a set of makhallas (as the micro-district of compact residence is called in Uzbekistan), and each makhalla is its own makhalla, in the sense that it is not connected in any way even by horizontal ties in the neighboring makhallas, except for some one-time and rather episodic business contacts. I’m generally silent about the delegation of some political authority to some center for the implementation of a single coordinated policy. In fact, the atomization of the Libyan population took place, the population ceased to exist as a single structure - it was “atomized”. Exactly what the United States needs to pump oil and, under the protection of private security companies, take it out to itself. A separate mahalla is too small a unit to download rights on the topic of oil.
                    Quote: Pimply
                    ordinary post-revolutionary situation
                    - what would happen - NEEDED DICTATOR! Late Lenin and further Stalin are essentially dictators who raised an atomized country from ruins. Jung Doo-hwan is a South Korean dictator. Lee Kuan Yu - Singapore CLASSICAL Dictator. To look at an earlier stage, at the French revolution - right after the French revolution in France there was a CLASSIC dictatorship. All these Robespiers became victims of this dictatorship. I am not saying that dictatorships are GOOD. I simply affirm that dictatorship is a necessary and important stage of development that cannot be jumped right into your desired democracy. For democracy, you need a certain level of economic development, above a critical level, according to my estimates, per capita GDP where in the region is above $ 25 per person, and the structure of the economy should be like this - it should have a lot of high technology and science. Democracy is very expensive. And up to 000 thousand, society matures in the form of DICTATURE, with the growth of national wealth, everything is weakening and weakening.
                    So the question is - why was it necessary to destroy Libya, if dictatorship would still be needed for its full restoration? That is, a strong personality who would be able to collect Libya and recreate its state institutions by dictatorial methods?
                    Libya already had a dictator, quite soft, with strangeness, but not at all bloodthirsty. The answer is that the States do not need any democracy in Libya, and Libya itself is not needed, and even the population of Libya is not needed. Let there be sands and oil, let the rest die and then not twitch. And under what pretext to do it - but at least under the pretext of democratization.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 45
                      -1
                      Wait and see. Usually, changes towards federalization in the post-revolutionary state begin 5-7 years after the revolution.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 30 August 2013 00: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Pimply
                        Wait and see. Usually, changes towards federalization in the post-revolutionary state begin 5-7 years after the revolution.

                        Ok, we’ll return to this debate later, I hope that if there is no world mess that the Anglo-Saxons brew now, and we don’t have to meet here in a generally pleasant debate, but in the trenches, moreover, against each other.
                      2. Pimply
                        Pimply 30 August 2013 01: 12
                        -2
                        Most likely, all of us in 15 years will have to communicate with China at a slightly different level.
                    2. shasherin_pavel
                      shasherin_pavel 30 August 2013 19: 35
                      0
                      Quote: Pimply
                      5-7 after the revolution.

                      Five seven years after a civil war that always follows a revolution, or a reflection of foreign intervention, as in the Bay of Pigs (Cuba). Only when the revolution is convinced of the strength of its army and system can it proceed to "federalization."
        2. 31231
          31231 29 August 2013 22: 51
          +2
          The war in Iraq in 2003, too, Saddam arranged. No, I assumed that the Jews have the most correct truths, but not the same.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 39
            -3
            Quote: 31231
            The war in Iraq in 2003, too, Saddam arranged. No, I assumed that the Jews have the most correct truths, but not the same.

            Very indirectly, yes. Starting the invasion of Kuwait in 1991. But - this is indirect.
            The war in 2003 began specifically with George W. Bush. If you track his life path, the person had a return to faith and messianic goals - often seen in his rhetoric. So, most likely, he - especially after September 11, pursued them primarily - the elimination of the main threats to America. This does not cancel secondary goals, but de facto - taking Iraq, the United States firmly put a knife to the throat of Iran and Syria. Well, it seemed to them then.
    3. WASABI
      WASABI 29 August 2013 19: 11
      +7
      Quote: Pimply
      Democracy is the election of representatives representing voters,

      Democracy is a myth that has destroyed more than one empire.
      Quote: Pimply
      Libya is quite stable.

      We are apparently reading various news.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 57
        -3
        Quote: VASABI
        Democracy is a myth that has destroyed more than one empire.

        What are empires?

        Quote: VASABI
        We are apparently reading various news.

        I view information in Arabic. And you, apparently, are only the Russian press?
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 August 2013 23: 12
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          What are empires?

          Rzeczpospolita. Died solely because of democracy.

          Quote: Pimply
          I view information in Arabic. And you, apparently, are only the Russian press?

          What is their whole city evicted there?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 28
            -1
            Quote: Spade
            Rzeczpospolita. Died solely because of democracy.

            Extremely conditional such democracy. The people in the Commonwealth were considered not the whole population, but only the nobility. It was also difficult to call them an empire.

            Quote: Spade
            What is their whole city evicted there?

            Bani Walid? AND? Recall when the de facto civil war in Russia ended? The exact same situation. Waves are coming and will go for a long time.
            1. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 30 August 2013 19: 40
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              The people in the Commonwealth were not considered the whole population,

              The people of the United States of America are considered only emigrants, but not the indigenous population, which is deprived of the right to elect and be elected. So the US is not a democratic government?
            2. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 30 August 2013 19: 47
              0
              Quote: Pimply
              in Russia, the civil war is over

              in 23, in the republics temporarily seceded from Russia and sovereign in relation to the government of the RSFSR, the last gang of Basmachi was destroyed in 1932. Or are you a Turkmen or someone else who did not speak Russian either by the 25th year "Russian"?
    4. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 29 August 2013 21: 53
      +1
      Iran-Iraq war was provoked by the SGA. Ordinary people lived better than before now.
    5. 31231
      31231 29 August 2013 22: 48
      +2
      How is your doggie friend? Is drinking

      And now the question is, by surprise, don’t voice the victims of terrorist attacks now and the victims of punitive operations then ?! Person per month.
      Libya is stable enough in comparison with what ?! With Somalia ?! Or Sudan ?! At Gaddafi, you want to say that she was less stable?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 34
        -1
        Quote: 31231
        man per month.
        Libya is stable enough in comparison with what ?! With Somalia ?! Or Sudan ?! At Gaddafi, you want to say that she was less stable?

        For example, compared with Egypt.
        Or with Syria.
        Or Chad, Sudan and a couple of dozen countries.
        Do not jerk, do not jerk - the fact remains.
        In Libya, the standard post-revolutionary situation. It is enough to recall how Russia was experiencing this situation, so that it would be easy to conduct direct annals. Or do you think that under Gaddaffi, who tied Libya into a couple of wars with Chad and Egypt and international sanctions, it was much calmer? In some periods - yes, in some - no.
        1. 31231
          31231 30 August 2013 06: 38
          0
          A rare revolution ends in stability, as a rule, more than one decade of evolution is then necessary for stability to appear. Although it’s hard to understand what kind of stability you're talking about. After 1917 and 1991, we had a stable job.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 30 August 2013 11: 07
            -1
            Quote: 31231
            After 1917 and 1991, we had a stable job.

            Revolutions do not just happen. They have a social request. If everything is ok in the country, there will be no real revolution.
            In Syria, for example, this social request was - not without reason in 1982, up to 40000 people laid down, not the first rebellion. Only then was the uprising local.

            And in Libya, too, everything was far from the glory of Gd. Gaddaffi raked under himself and his tribe what he could. The story when he presented the restaurant to the waiter is revealing. The owner quietly approached that - maybe we will manage together. "No," said the waiter. "Now the restaurant is mine."

            Revolution is a social request of society for change. The fact that they are fed from the outside is the norm. And the fact that chaos continues for some time after them is also the norm.
    6. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 30 August 2013 19: 27
      0
      Quote: Pimply
      No one cancels the own interests of a country with a democratic regime.

      For the sake of the interests of his country, Hitler annexed Austria, captured the Sudetenland, where less than 25% of the Germans lived. If the "demo" people stand up for their interests without being interested in the opinion of a foreign people-neighbors, then on the "Reichstar" of this people it will be necessary to raise the banner of "Liberation" from the interests of such a DEMONocratic government.
  2. Civil
    Civil 29 August 2013 19: 21
    +1
    And right now there is no meat grinder))))) I hope the USA there breaks off their teeth, although there is little hope.
  3. svp67
    svp67 29 August 2013 21: 34
    0
    Quote: seasoned
    Well, the American ambassador was torn to pieces in Libya, but there were much more bonuses.
    It is not yet known whether he was sent there on purpose, as a "heifer" to the slaughterhouse ...
  4. 31231
    31231 29 August 2013 22: 26
    0
    Can share info about bonuses ?! And then somehow the US national debt after that did not decrease, but grew. And the French do not fatten.
    1. experienced
      experienced 29 August 2013 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: 31231
      Can share info about bonuses ?!

      The Americans are pumping oil, Gaddafi's frozen bank accounts are in the right hands, American weapons will be sold to Libya, and most importantly, the threat of creating the Bank of Africa and the introduction of a new currency "golden dinar" has been eliminated, otherwise the dollar would be a kirdyk winked
      Quote: 31231
      And the French do not fatten.

      But, no one else will tell who financed the company of Sarkozy and he is no longer for anyone, the creditor is killed. winked
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 22: 59
        -1
        Quote: seasoned
        the most important thing is that the threat of the creation of the Bank of Africa and the introduction of a new currency "golden dinar" has been eliminated, otherwise the dollar would be

        There wouldn’t be. It was originally a utopia, like all Gadduffy's projects. Ask any economist. The gold standard has not been working for a long time.

        Quote: seasoned
        But, no one else will tell who financed the company of Sarkozy and he is no longer for anyone, the creditor is killed.

        Uncle annoyed so many that his death was no surprise.
      2. 31231
        31231 29 August 2013 23: 30
        +1
        Where do the Americans pump oil ?! Oil is pumped by multinational companies and their owners. For often these owners "do not have a flag or a homeland." Bumpy about the golden dinar as a utopia has already said.
  5. RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 30 August 2013 09: 32
    0
    Let them try to snoop around, quickly break their teeth, with the fall of Syria, Israel can order a memorial service, I think there’s just a game with intimidation, but in real life they won’t succeed, the main thing is Russia, China and China are tough to stand their ground, B. Assad and the Syrian army of fortune.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 August 2013 11: 08
      -1
      Already ordered a hundred times.
  • serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 29 August 2013 15: 42
    +4
    The invasion is likely to be planned (like any preventive military plan), but not prepared — the concentration of forces and means is easily revealed.
    About the intervention of Iran and even through Iraq - nonsense. It was not for this that the Yankees overthrew Saddam so that the Iranians would go to war in Syria.
    The most probable is shelling, and unlimited in time. Roughly speaking, a couple of days on targets, and then - under constant surveillance and on a tip from the "rebels". Additional difficulties for Assad and his aircraft - it is not known when, where and what will arrive. Fear of an unexpected blow and, as a result, weakening of combat effectiveness.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 August 2013 17: 10
      +3
      Quote: serge-68-68
      The most probable is shelling, and unlimited in time. Roughly speaking, a couple of days on targets, and then - under constant surveillance and on a tip from the "rebels".

      Not okay. This does not solve the huge problem: the legacy of the Assad regime. With his fall, it will be necessary to take control of his weapons of mass destruction, their means of delivery and production, people who possess the necessary qualifications. And to do this with the motley of a motley terrorist international fighting against the Syrian government is impossible.
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 29 August 2013 17: 37
        0
        Come on. There Libya actually broke up into tribal zones - and nothing. And here the same nonsense is quite acceptable.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 August 2013 17: 41
          +7
          Libya is a completely different matter. Gaddafi foolishly destroyed his XO.

          So it's not just "tribal zones", "tribal zones" that have chemical weapons, the ability to produce them and the means for their delivery. And this is completely unacceptable. Neither for Turkey, nor for Israel, nor for Europe and the United States, where this ownerless chemical object will definitely end up.
          1. experienced
            experienced 29 August 2013 17: 46
            +6
            Quote: Spade
            So it's not just "tribal zones", "tribal zones" that have chemical weapons, the ability to produce them and the means for their delivery.

            I fully agree and still do not forget about MANPADS, which may fall into the hands of. And what is a terrorist with MANPADS in any country, hiding near the airport, I think everyone can imagine for themselves. A civilian rocket take-off for a rocket will be 100% targeted
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2013 17: 56
              +5
              In general, with all weapons a problem. After Libya, it was possible to hold a feint with ears and transfer it to Syria. However, the French still ran into him.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 11
        0
        I would suggest the Kosovo scenario here. Assad clearly does not want to trample completely.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 20
          +1
          "Kosovsky" is it like? Dismemberment of the state? It won't do either - Qatar will not agree.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 34
            +2
            Agrees. They will crush him. No one says that this will end completely. In Qatar, too, are not fools. Not much fools.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 46
              0
              This does not provide the economic goals of war.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 51
                0
                I would not say. Qatar has not only and not so much economic tasks. They want to be a regional leader.
    2. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 29 August 2013 22: 30
      +1
      So we need to give them target instructions for each missile launch. Infa passed that Assad has about 100 missiles. Ballistic. Although they are old. But still a lot. And the number of air defense troops is 000.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 29 August 2013 15: 44
    -26 qualifying.
    Assad's days are numbered
    1. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 29 August 2013 15: 57
      12
      The days of all people living on Earth are counted. One small problem - no one knows who and no one knows - how much ...
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 29 August 2013 17: 24
        -7
        Quote: serge-68-68
        The days of all people living on Earth are counted

        Because of Syria? I don’t think so. I hope Russia will not intervene in this conflict, although the choice is yours.
        Cheers patriots in Syria, too, oil ???
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 August 2013 17: 36
          +8
          Quote: Essenger
          Cheers patriots in Syria, too, oil ???

          Are you like "there is no oil in Syria, but the Americans still climb there"?
          Well, so you missed.
          Not only is it there, Syria, among other things, is an ideal territory for laying gas and oil pipelines from the Persian Gulf region through Turkey to Europe.
          In addition, if oil terminals are built on the coast and tankers are filled there, the problem of the Strait of Hormuz will disappear, which Iran can close at any time with all the ensuing problems in the form of an abrupt rise in hydrocarbon prices in the event of a war with it. After all, we remember the "tanker war", which raised prices by half.

          Geography is still worth knowing, at least at a minimum level.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 13
            +9
            In addition, it is the destruction of Iran’s most important ally, and, de facto, the encirclement of Iran.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 23
              +1
              It is truth too.
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 22
            0
            Quote: Spade
            Syria, among other things, is an ideal territory for laying gas and oil pipelines from the Persian Gulf region through Turkey to Europe.

            In general, it is possible through Iraq. If needed. And Europe has more than enough gas, even can reduce purchases in Russia.
            Quote: Spade
            In addition, if you build oil terminals on the coast, and fill the tankers there, the problem of the Strait of Hormuz will disappear

            With the same success, without such bunts, it is possible to build ports in the Arabian and Red Seas, and Iran will rub off. So all this is far-fetched, far-fetched.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2013 22: 32
              +2
              Quote: Nayhas
              In general, it is possible through Iraq. If needed.

              It is possible through South Africa. But more expensive.
              The best route for Qatar is through the CA, Jordan and Syria. Just look at the map


              Quote: Nayhas
              With the same success, without such pains, you can build ports in the Arabian and Red Seas

              Actually, they already exist. Like the big bunts due to the Strait of Hormuz. Why? Who knows.
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 43
                +3
                Quote: Spade
                Just look at the map

                Listen, you’re an intelligent person. Let's imagine a man sitting in Qatar dreaming of laying a gas pipeline through Syria, but there were some disagreements with the leadership of Syria either on payment or on kickbacks. This person has a choice whether to continue negotiations showering with gifts from local officials (Qatar has money for at least some camel boot) or to arrange a civil war for the neighbors as a result of which for another fifty years you might not have to think about any gas pipeline, and when everything calms down you have to deal with officials of at least two states? Which choice is more logical?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 29 August 2013 23: 07
                  +1
                  Reasonable people understand that any war has many reasons. Including economic.
                  1. Nayhas
                    Nayhas 30 August 2013 19: 52
                    0
                    Sure, but the alleged gas pipeline is just an excuse to blame one of the parties. Everything is much more complicated ... It's like with Iraq, they shouted that there was a war for oil, and 50% of Iraqi oil was captured by China, which was absolutely not involved in the war.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 01
                0
                Qatar really does not want to depend on the SA. Direct competitor.
            2. 31231
              31231 29 August 2013 23: 06
              0
              Yah?! Do you know much about laying pipelines ?! Why is TANAP not built yet and Nobuco is ineffective ?! The main problem is mountains. If you have seen at least one design estimate and operating costs for this business, you understand why TANAP is not yet being pulled.
              And what about the LNG terminals in the Red and Arabian Seas solve the Suez problem?
        2. 31231
          31231 29 August 2013 23: 00
          0
          Well, at least thousands of our citizens ?!
    2. little man
      little man 29 August 2013 16: 00
      +3
      Negative - do not roll bags. I feel the same sorry for Assad. But would anyone put a tote on him? Did anyone manage to stay alive before him?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 29 August 2013 16: 07
        14
        Quote: man
        . But would anyone put a tote on him?

        Yes, I won’t bet on Obama either, he has an ass instead of his head.
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        2. Tartary
          Tartary 29 August 2013 16: 46
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: man
          . But would anyone put a tote on him?

          Yes, I won’t bet on Obama either, he has an ass instead of his head.

          Will it end worse than Clinton ??
          Well, what kind of "Monica" he had then ...

          Seriously though, the "man" (?) Very subtly summed up the topic of tote (jackpot for good luck) into our Christian discussions ...
          Where did the caution to the machinations of the "Beast" go ?? And, great chaste "inhabitants" of VO?
        3. little man
          little man 29 August 2013 16: 55
          -2
          Continuing the topic of assholes .. But what if Assad is brought to us when she approaches? Since they began to accept objectionable. Why haven’t you done this before?
        4. WASABI
          WASABI 29 August 2013 17: 36
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          him instead of a head ass. Cum sucks

          repeat repeat repeat What an ambiguous remark!
          1. Orik
            Orik 29 August 2013 18: 22
            0
            laughing laughing laughing Yes, with revelry pi ... this is a real threat.
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 29 August 2013 19: 20
              +2
              Quote: Orik
              real threat.

              winked I would love to laugh with you, Alexander, but you can’t imagine how much you are right !!! There is a strong opinion (among men) that gays are good girlfriends for us, but this is another (male) myth. Brrr !!! recourse
        5. fzr1000
          fzr1000 29 August 2013 17: 36
          +7
          Forty years ago, two journalists showed the world that the president of the most powerful superpower used intelligence to listen to conversations of their political opponents. Their investigation brought them the Pulitzer Prize and led to the resignation of President Nixon.

          Today, digital activists have shown the world that the president of the same power is listening to the whole world, and the soldiers of his army cynically kill the civilian population. Another Pulitzer Prize? No, 35 years in prison for one of them and the pursuit of the rest around the world. And the president in question received the Nobel Peace Prize.
        6. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 14
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, I won’t bet on Obama either, he has an ass instead of his head.

          Cum usually. He will finish his presidential term and go to lecture. Plus, a library will be opened in his honor. Nothing tragic.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 30 August 2013 05: 52
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            . He will finish his presidential term and go to lecture.

            This one will not end, like everyone else. Not that person, Bush was even smarter.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 30 August 2013 11: 08
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This one will not end, like everyone else. Not that person, Bush was even smarter.

              Sasha, yes everything will be fine. Carries more Obama on the waves - that’s the trouble. They missed the reins.
        7. S-200
          S-200 29 August 2013 18: 58
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cum sucks

          Excuse me, WHERE will it "end" in the head or ... "tolerantly"? lol
        8. Revolver
          Revolver 29 August 2013 19: 41
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, I won’t bet on Obama either, he has an ass instead of his head

          I have never been a fan of Obama; Do not believe me - read my previous posts. But here I do not agree with you. In terms of intelligence, Obama is at least normal.
          _____________________________
          Question: are there smart and honest politicians?
          Answer: No. If a politician is smart, then he is dishonest. And if he is honest, then he is not smart.

          I’ll add from myself: smart and honest people, if any, do not get into politics.
          1. Very old
            Very old 30 August 2013 06: 12
            +1
            Honest and smart (all rolled into one) from politics ELIMINATE
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 30 August 2013 21: 18
              0
              Quote: Old very
              Honest and smart (all rolled into one) from politics ELIMINATE

              That's why they do not go there. And they climbed, so they are not so smart.
      2. experienced
        experienced 29 August 2013 16: 08
        14
        Quote: man
        Did anyone manage to stay alive before him?

        Unfortunately we are all mortal and you can’t argue with that recourse , but here we have the right in a hopeless situation on how to die and everyone uses it in his own way, someone dies as a Hero, and someone dies as a traitor ... Exaggerated, but as I understand the situation hi Gaddafi held out to the last, Assad also had to "stand to the end" and we see he successfully copes with this soldier
        1. Manager
          Manager 29 August 2013 17: 43
          +3
          Quote: seasoned
          and we see he successfully copes with this

          Whatever happens there, I am sure that Patriot Assad will shed a lot of enemy blood. And his followers are even more so.
        2. WASABI
          WASABI 29 August 2013 17: 47
          +1
          Quote: seasoned
          someone dies a Hero, and someone dies a traitor.

          In general, everything is true and the right to choose is the only thing that is not lost by a person under any circumstances. It was the choice that made Karbyshev a Hero, and Vlasov a bastard ...
          Tell me, Alexei, what choice are you inclined to (only without extra pathos)? What do you prefer - to stay alive (betraying your principles) and take care of your family further, or perish for your ideals, leaving your family without support?
          1. experienced
            experienced 29 August 2013 17: 54
            +4
            Quote: VASABI
            and what choice are you inclined to (only without pathos)? What do you prefer - to stay alive (betraying your principles) and take care of your family further, or perish for your ideals, leaving your family without support?

            Why am I going to "tear the vest on my chest"? I was lucky and I didn’t have such a choice ... When I had business trips to Chechnya, I didn’t look for an excuse and didn’t hide behind the hospital. So, I am old and wise (experienced), and therefore I know that even the most courageous person can "break", here a whole bunch of conditions and factors can affect:
            - confidence in their truth;
            - moral and physical condition;
            etc. hi
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 29 August 2013 18: 37
              +4
              Quote: seasoned
              even the most courageous person can "break", here a whole bunch of conditions and factors can affect:

              A wise and, no less important, a balanced answer. I was especially impressed by the thesis about "moral and physical health". I would put moral health in a special column, considering it the most important personality qualification, prevailing over all other characteristics. Only a morally healthy person, not burdened by various (including sexual) deviations, is able to become a "locomotive" for the development of both society as a whole and the family as a part of this society.
              In light of all of the above, I think you will not deny the fact that the moral degradation of the so-called "civilized" world is dragging all of humanity to the abyss called "World War III". But this "civilized" world has quite specific "civilizers". So I will allow myself to return to where I started and repeat what I have already said: It is necessary to start with these "civilizers" and believe that everything else will settle by itself. By the way - what kind of Tagged One are we talking about? Is it not about Mikhail Sergeevich?
          2. sumcream56
            sumcream56 29 August 2013 18: 39
            +2
            Quote: VASABI
            Quote: seasoned
            someone dies a Hero, and someone dies a traitor.

            In general, everything is true and the right to choose is the only thing that is not lost by a person under any circumstances. It was the choice that made Karbyshev a Hero, and Vlasov a bastard ...
            Tell me, Alexei, what choice are you inclined to (only without extra pathos)? What do you prefer - to stay alive (betraying your principles) and take care of your family further, or perish for your ideals, leaving your family without support?

            The point is who will be the winner. That Kolchak filthy mutts called in Soviet times, and now would be a national hero. If Hitler had been defeated, he would have been turned his neck anyway — the same German generals and German oligarchs Vlasov would have been a wise politician.
            1. WASABI
              WASABI 29 August 2013 19: 39
              +4
              Quote: sumcream56
              The point is who will be the winner.

              I don’t think, but rather the matter is what principles you uphold, what you are faithful to and what you are ready to sacrifice for the most precious.
      3. seller trucks
        seller trucks 29 August 2013 16: 28
        +6
        Quote: man
        Negative - do not roll bags. I feel the same sorry for Assad. But would anyone put a tote on him? Did anyone manage to stay alive before him?


        A man dies of diarrhea and asks: "Doctor, write that I died of gonorrhea!" Doctor: "Why?" - "You see, it is better to die as a real man than to sleep."
      4. Essenger
        Essenger 29 August 2013 17: 22
        +1
        Quote: man
        Negative - do not toss the bags.

        Exactly))) At least one would explain why it is minus?
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 29 August 2013 17: 37
          +2
          Quote: Essenger
          Exactly))) At least one would explain why it is minus?


          Your opinion differs from the opinion of other forum users, which is not clear? specifically, in relation to the legitimate Syrian government and President Assad. Are there any other questions?

          shl. Have you come to the forum for "likes"?
      5. Nayhas
        Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 23
        -2
        Quote: man
        I feel the same sorry for Assad.

        As a person, yes, as the head of state, not at all ...
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 29 August 2013 16: 08
      +5
      Quote: Essenger
      Assad's days are numbered

      The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...
      1. Arabist
        Arabist 29 August 2013 16: 13
        +4
        Yes, they’ll just be cut out. All possible.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 29 August 2013 16: 50
        +7
        Quote: Yeraz
        The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...

        And the rest turns out to be unworthy of life, so .. some kind of trash .. The main thing is to stop the internecine strife unleashed by the Yusy with the money of the Saudis by the hands of thugs and not let NATO "peacekeepers" get into Syria ...
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 29 August 2013 18: 42
          +2
          Quote: Tersky
          Quote: Yeraz
          The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...

          And the rest turns out to be unworthy of life, so .. some kind of trash .. The main thing is to stop the internecine strife unleashed by the Yusy with the money of the Saudis by the hands of thugs and not let NATO "peacekeepers" get into Syria ...

          Mmm, do you think that I’ll worry about what will happen to the Armenians ??? The only reason I personally want Assad’s opponents to win is that the vaunted, sweet life of the Armenian diaspora will end in an instant and the Syrian diaspora will disappear. You won’t think, that this is purely because of hatred of the Armenians, I am a pragmatist. The Syrian diaspora is one of the most powerful, both in terms of cohesion and finances, it will be a severe blow to the potential of the Armenian diaspora, which is advantageous, plus there will no longer be pro-Armenian forces in Syria in the Muslim East, there will be one pro-Armenian Muslim state in Lebanon, and the fire tends to spread to its neighbors, and Lebanon is sooo close to Syria. Only pragmatism.
      3. Essenger
        Essenger 29 August 2013 17: 29
        +5
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Essenger
        Assad's days are numbered

        The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...


        The main thing is that people are not cut out.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 29 August 2013 19: 48
          +2
          Just people will be cut. Only sheep are slaughtered in peacetime, and who will say that peacetime is there now?
        2. Yeraz
          Yeraz 29 August 2013 20: 32
          +3
          Quote: Essenger
          The main thing is that people are not cut out.

          Brother I think you know whom I rank among people wink
      4. Yeraz
        Yeraz 29 August 2013 18: 45
        -1
        Quote: Yeraz
        Quote: Essenger
        Assad's days are numbered

        The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...

        Hopefully, no, and the West is not stupid, if they want to have a counterbalance, they will keep Shiites there, and they will be given back to the Armenians and Kurds.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 29 August 2013 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          Hopefully, no, and the West is not stupid, if they want to have a counterbalance, they will keep Shiites there, and they will be given back to the Armenians and Kurds.

          Good (for you personally) news: Armenians and Kurds will rake in full.
          Bad (again for you personally) news: Shiites will also rake in full. And the Sunnis too.
          Do you really think that anyone will win in this war? All parties involved will lose, and some of those uninvolved will also lose. The only question is who will lose a lot and who will lose a lot. And someone can lose everything at all, and even more than that.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 30 August 2013 12: 07
            0
            Quote: Nagan
            Good (for you personally) news: Armenians and Kurds will rake in full

            Yes
            Quote: Nagan
            Bad (again for you personally) news: Shiites will also rake in full. And the Sunnis too.

            also true.
            Quote: Nagan
            Do you really think that anyone will win in this war? All parties involved will lose, and some of those uninvolved will also lose. The only question is who will lose a lot and who will lose a lot. And someone can lose everything at all, and even more than that.

            Someone will win and someone will lose. It is clear that, having given a decent number of troops and economically undermining the state.
            The Armenians will lose and they have already suffered enormous losses in economic terms and there are human casualties. The opposition will come, they will completely leave the territory of Syria.
            Shiites, how Shiites feel sorry for me, but on the other hand, these Shiites supported my enemies. So what for Shiites?
            With the advent of the opposition, the positions there will be different.
        2. Bonce
          Bonce 29 August 2013 21: 11
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          Hopefully, no, and the West is not stupid, if they want to have a counterbalance, they will keep Shiites there, and they will be given back to the Armenians and Kurds.


          A terrible statement, you seem to be one of those that gloated when the whole Kurdish village was slaughtered. negative
        3. Essenger
          Essenger 29 August 2013 23: 21
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: Yeraz
          Quote: Essenger
          Assad's days are numbered

          The main thing is that Shiites should not be cut ...

          Hopefully, no, and the West is not stupid, if they want to have a counterbalance, they will keep Shiites there, and they will be given back to the Armenians and Kurds.

          I think the West has already put the Kurds, otherwise it makes sense to split Iraq?
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 30 August 2013 13: 56
            +1
            Quote: Essenger
            I think the West has already put the Kurds, otherwise it makes sense to split Iraq?

            Personally, I would not put XNUMX% on the Kurds, I would limit myself to Kurdistan in the north of Iraq, so that with the help of enclaves inside neighboring states, it would be difficult to influence if you separate them, but when they are inside these states, the influence is higher. Honestly, I doubt the creation of a single state of Kurds. As a people they are not united, from the outside they seem to be a single full-fledged people, and there are very big differences within them and there is no unity. It’s stupid to take Zaza, they are considered to be Kurds, but they are formed in a separate people, plus within the gap the division into Shiites (rather even Alawites) and Sunnis. and a bunch of other differences.
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    4. goldfinger
      goldfinger 29 August 2013 16: 44
      +4
      I’m not an anti-Western person. To put it mildly, I have no sympathy for the Assad regime, but I don’t believe this statement by the NATO Council on the use of the Syrian army by OM. And it’s not at all because the rebels could very well do, or get zorin. Steal, or buy from the military, after all! The US and the West have already lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq quite recently and before everyone's eyes under such circumstances.
      Even if now they will assert the truth, no one will believe them. And there is information that Assad is not "lollipop". It is available.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 15
        +2
        Quote: goldfinger
        about the use by the Syrian army of OB, I do not believe.

        Why? just a very likely scenario. Even more than, especially considering the fact that the human factor most likely worked.
        In fact, who bombed - no longer matters. All sides have long been chosen.
      2. Orik
        Orik 29 August 2013 18: 25
        0
        Any ruler standing is not a "lollipop", especially in the east. Although, maybe you are confusing father and son ?!
    5. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 29 August 2013 17: 23
      +3
      and what is the valor in killing this Shiite family?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 16
        +3
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        and what is the valor in killing this Shiite family?

        Alavitov. And what is the valor of killing a Sunni family? Same.
      2. alone
        alone 29 August 2013 18: 26
        +3
        How is this family better from those families that have been completely carved on both sides?
      3. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 18: 46
        +3
        Quote: KG_patriot_last
        and what is the valor in killing this Shiite family?

        THEM don't care who to kill and who not. They do not understand that we all believe in one GOD, there are simply many names, but GOD is one, and these creatures that look like people, but these are not people, they are creatures. They cut and killed children, old people and women where valor is in these creatures, they are cowards for them its "valor" is enough only for the weak, if they fought with us, we would kill them for it without hesitation would not give mercy to such creatures should be quartered, there is not enough shooting here.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 52
          +1
          Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
          THEM don't care who to kill and who not. They do not understand that we all believe in one GOD, there are simply many names, but GOD is one, and these creatures that look like people, but these are not people, they are creatures. They cut and killed children, old people and women where valor is in these creatures, they are cowards for them its "valor" is enough only for the weak, if they fought with us, we would kill them for it without hesitation would not give mercy to such creatures should be quartered, there is not enough shooting here.

          They are killing there now, and others. Why don't you cry about Sunni children? No need to make whitish any of the parties.
          1. GREAT RUSSIA
            GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 19: 02
            0
            Quote: Pimply
            They are killing there now, and others. Why don't you cry about Sunni children? No need to make whitish any of the parties.

            I sympathize with both sides, and I did not make either side whitish and fluffy both of these sides throat of blood can not argue with this.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 August 2013 19: 04
              +1
              About that and speech. The problem is that most here do not understand this, describing Assad as a kind of heroic fighter. That means they don’t understand what the real situation is there. And there is an ordinary, terrible and bloody civil war. Which, I think, will only be completed by a split in the state according to the Yugoslav scheme.
              1. GREAT RUSSIA
                GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 20: 03
                +3
                One way or another, Assad will leave, it all depends on how he leaves, or he leaves within the framework of the Geneva 2 program, so that a new government is created in Syria, or he will be overthrown as part of the military operation of the Western countries in Syria, or he will be overthrown and publicly executed by militants who seize power. For Assad, only the first scenario is favorable, in the other two he is executed one way or another
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 27
                  0
                  Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
                  whether he will be overthrown and publicly executed by militants who seize power

                  Well, I hope Gaddafi will be smarter than he is, at least he remembers his fate, and Iran is nearby, there is much to escape ...
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 03
                    0
                    It is truth too. In fact, the optimum there now is the Yugoslav version, otherwise the massacre will continue.
                    1. experienced
                      experienced 29 August 2013 23: 07
                      +2
                      Quote: Pimply
                      It is truth too. In fact, the optimum there now is the Yugoslav version, otherwise the massacre will continue.

                      Zhenya, how would I suggest that you think about how you would react to the proposal to divide Israel according to the Yugoslav version? Think ... and then offer such things to other countries hi
                      I know that most members of the forum will support the idea of ​​dividing Israel according to the Yugoslav variant with the return of territories previously occupied by it
                      1. igor67
                        igor67 29 August 2013 23: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: seasoned
                        Quote: Pimply
                        It is truth too. In fact, the optimum there now is the Yugoslav version, otherwise the massacre will continue.

                        Zhenya, how would I suggest that you think about how you would react to the proposal to divide Israel according to the Yugoslav version? Think ... and then offer such things to other countries hi
                        I know that most members of the forum will support the idea of ​​dividing Israel according to the Yugoslav variant with the return of territories previously occupied by it

                        Hi Lesh, while we are dogging here on the site, Russia and Israel are really cooperating normally economically: Tunneling on the Latrun - Shaar HaGai section has ended ahead of schedule

                        publication time: 18: 26
                        last update: 18: 27




                        Today, August 29, the construction of tunnel No. 1 on the Latrun-Shaar HaGai section has been completed within the framework of the project to create a high-speed railway route Tel Aviv-Jerusalem in 28 minutes.

                        In a press release from the Ministry of Transport, it is noted that for the first time in Israel, a 3,5-kilometer tunnel was laid mechanically — using a special TPK machine. The most difficult part of the technical work was performed by the Russian company MOSMETROSTROY.

                        Recall that the project has been idle for about 4 years. Israel Katz, assuming the post of Minister of Transport, instructed to resume work immediately.

                        The works on the construction of the tunnel were carried out by the company "Minrav - MMS" (a joint venture of the Russian company MOSMETROSTROY with an Israeli partner) ahead of the schedule for the production of works by 3 months.
                      2. experienced
                        experienced 29 August 2013 23: 25
                        +1
                        Quote: igor67
                        while we’re dogging here on the site, Russia and Israel are really cooperating normally economically: ahead of schedule, the tunnel construction on the Latrun - Shaar ha-Gai section has ended

                        Hi Igor hi I didn’t want to get in, but Zhenya “tired” with the section according to the Yugoslav version, ”so I tried to familiarize him with the principle“ do not wish another what you don’t want for yourself ” winked
                        He, a competent comrade, but if you push it, you won’t turn him into a tank laughing
                        And relations began to improve even with the abolition of visas wink
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 47
                        0
                        Israel is de facto divided according to the Yugoslav version. What more can be said? Gaza, West Bank, Central Israel.
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 37
                    0
                    Quote: seasoned
                    Zhenya, how would I suggest that you think about how you would react to the proposal to divide Israel according to the Yugoslav version?

                    Israel, and so now, is divided by such a makar.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 29 August 2013 17: 47
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    Assad's days are numbered



    while the record was behind me wassat you are still inferior ... fellow
    1. Essenger
      Essenger 29 August 2013 23: 33
      +2
      Quote: smersh70
      Quote: Essenger
      Assad's days are numbered



      while the record was behind me wassat you are still inferior ... fellow


      What a cardash record? ;)
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 29 August 2013 18: 33
    +3
    I would like to clarify - from what sources did you find out? If she brought a magpie on her tail, then this is still bearable. Or maybe you are a mishandled Cossack - to cause panic?
    US complains that Russia does not allow war to start in Syria
    The United States does not see the possibility of reaching agreement and approval of a resolution on Syria in the UN Security Council due to actions by Russia. This was during a press conference, said the representative of the State Department, Maria Harf.

    Many countries are opposed, including and some countries of NATO.
    Including Germany, Spain, Italy. South Africa today also opposed the intention of some Western countries to launch military attacks on Syria, bypassing UN decisions. Bashar al-Assad is completely satisfied even with Israel. Under the government of Bashar al-Assad, Syria was a stable country. Damascus did not threaten Tel Aviv. "If the ruling regime in Syria falls and the Islamists come to power, it will greatly undermine the security of Israel."
    Obama - This Nobel Peace Prize winner has already ditched so many civilians by promoting his democracy. "In any case, US intervention in the Syrian conflict could result in massive terrorist attacks against US troops and US bases around the world."
    “Radical Islamic groups, including Al Qaeda, are enemies of the West and, solving the tactical task of changing the political regime in Syria, Al Qaeda will plan further actions directly against the Americans themselves,”

    Moscow has consistently advocated a political settlement of the crisis. “Obviously, following the regime change in Syria, the United States will set itself the goal of similarly shifting the regime in Iran, and this will mean circumstances that are very bad for Russia's security interests, which will affect the balance of power, primarily in the post-Soviet space and around the Caspian "

    Source - http://russian.rt.com/article/14708
  • rus9875
    rus9875 29 August 2013 15: 52
    +3
    Finally, the first adequate article, or else they made a hysteria, as if the USA had really done something. All this rhetoric from the USA has one goal - Obama wants to demonstrate to his citizens that he has eggs. After the story with Snowden when Putin himself probably didn’t want to wipe it his Obama must somehow demonstrate that he is also a man. So he demonstrates. And the real maximum they can go for is a strike with cruise missiles and drones from ships at military targets At the same time, they will check the condition of Syrian air defense
    1. elmi
      elmi 29 August 2013 16: 02
      +4
      And if Syria responds with chemical weapons, Israel will invade in response, Iran will intercede for Syria with a lot of things that can happen. So, it will cost a little vryatli and Obama himself, unwittingly, can unleash the 3 world.
      1. alone
        alone 29 August 2013 18: 33
        +5
        if Syria responds with chemical weapons, it will simply be turned into a desert. even Russia will not be able to do anything. let's argue with logic. it is still unknown whether CW has been used or not, about 40 countries are ready to play into Syria, you can imagine what will happen when they start using it ?
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 29 August 2013 18: 45
        +2
        Israel will not invade. It has no profit. Syria did nothing wrong with it.
        Jerusalem. August 27th. INTERFAX.RU - Israel will use force if Syria tries to harm it in any way, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday. HOW IT IS VISIBLE - IF HARM!! AND IF NO? That turns out that there is nothing ,,, and Israeli attacks on Syria - only at warehouses and other things. But not against the armed forces. Does this tell you anything? To me, and to many, YES!
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 48
          +2
          Quote: AleksUkr
          Israel will not invade. It has no profit. Syria did nothing wrong with it.

          Did, and did a lot. But Israel will remain neutral until it is hit.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 29 August 2013 19: 12
            +2
            You do not maintain any neutrality.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 05
              0
              Quote: Spade
              You do not maintain any neutrality.

              OK, not neutrality. Detachment. Israel does not suit either Assad or the militants. While they are fighting among themselves, Israel is monitoring the situation and cutting wings for those who are trying to fly higher. Israel is primarily interested in its interests.
    2. sumcream56
      sumcream56 29 August 2013 17: 06
      +2
      Completely agree with YOU. But there is also ONE Moral Factor. Now the opposition is morally suppressed. And HERE "Ours Have Come!" The very environment of ASADA will begin to think that it is not worth perishing with Him. Remember how the Iraqi generals surrendered their country in 1991 and 2003, almost without a fight. But this war is beneficial for Israel - Syria is the last bastion. Syria falls - the end of Hezbollah. Iran, with all its will, cannot do anything. And Russia? Written well by Leonid Radzikhovsky
      SNOWDEN AGAINST ASAD
      28 August 2013, 15: 48
      Syria's bombing seems to take place in the coming days (hours?).
      It is clearly seen HOW the West does not want this, after its great successes in Afghanistan and Iraq ...
      But - nobles lick!
      Just USA:
      a) they beat themselves in the chest for a long time, that “the use of chemical weapons” is a red line, behind which hoo;
      b) now they say that they have all the evidence of this application - that now they cannot retreat. That is, they can, but this is a clear loss of face. Similarly, many others - England, France ...
      Well, the main "friends of Iran and Syria" - Turkey, Saudi Arabia and others are eager to gnaw right off the leash ...
      So, with high probability we can assume that the strike will be.
      Assad is doomed in one way or another, and how many more months and tens of thousands of corpses it takes to make this happen is impossible to guess.
      But the position of Russia is funny.
      And now, when the time came X. - In general, SILENCE.
      So, a slight crackle of the shrinking floors of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The Kremlin is proud. And this means, in essence, the successful DELIVERY of a friend of Assad. Why? SERIOUSLY will not spoil relations with the West of the Russian Federation. Because there will NEVER be - neither in Serbia, nor in Iraq, nor in Libya.
      Russia has NO REAL FORCES to confront the West - except for the crude WAR THREATS. And Russia cannot do this in principle — for exactly the same reason that the West, in principle, cannot threaten Russia. The Caribbean crisis was enough for everyone - forever. Russia doesn’t need FIGS — neither Serbia, nor Syria, nor Iraq, nor Afghanistan, nor Libya. These are PONT COUNTRIES. For TV show-offs, the “fight against” the USA is ideal. But ONLY for TV show-offs. Only virtually. These “Syrian show-offs”, like the military base in Syria, are not related to the REAL life of Russia - economic, social, political, cultural. And bending show-offs is good when it can be done UNPUNISHED. But to start a TV hysteria when they - ACT, and you - ONLY WRITING - this is extremely unprofitable. The louder in this situation YOU ARE SCREAMLESSLY SCREAMING - the weaker and dumber you look. In the eyes of HIS “consumer of anti-African chewing gum”. And the Kremlin, naturally, does not want to lose face in front of its patriotic public. Like Western governments do not want to lose face in front of their public. Only they - so as not to lose the show off - will have to ACT. And Russia - so as not to lose the show off - will have to shut up. Well, by inertia, cursing, of course ...
      The dimensions of our Anti-Americanism are now clearly defined.
      These are the DIMENSIONS of Snowden. Here we are - Eagles. Wiped Obama's nose. But Syria is bigger than Snowden - there is no longer enough anti-American swing on it. Everything on Snowden is gone.
      1. rus9875
        rus9875 29 August 2013 18: 12
        +5
        For Israel, those guys who are now fighting against Assad are a much bigger headache than Assad.As for show off or not, whether Russia needs Syria or not, whether Putin surrendered Assad or not, it is somewhat premature to argue now Politics, as Churchill said, is a fight of bulldogs under the carpet Now we are we see the movement of the carpet, we understand that something is happening there, but what exactly - which bulldog wins we do not know, so of course we can argue, but there is little sense from our reasoning - we do not have information Putin is not the person who throws tantrums in front of the TV camera, confuse him with Zhirinovsky If Putin says something, as a rule he does it - he said, for example, "we will soak in the toilet", everyone giggled, and where now are the people to whom he said this? One Umarov is still hiding somewhere but and that probably will not have long left. Critics of whose GDP have recently been fully understood - he is a man of his word, even if not tomorrow, even in five years, but what he promised he would do Until manyit's just that it won't work, they all want it now, but this does not happen in life. I am not a fan of GDP, but I do not see either in our country or over the hill a political figure equal to him, except that "dad"
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 32
          +2
          Quote: rus9875
          For Israel, those guys who are now fighting against Assad are a much bigger headache than Assad

          I would not say. Around equal.
      2. alone
        alone 29 August 2013 18: 36
        +3
        what since when did a regular agent become equal to the head of state? do you think Russian intelligence didn’t know what Snowden said? if you didn’t know, then why keep such intelligence
      3. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 29 August 2013 18: 49
        0
        Quote: sumcream56
        But the position of Russia is funny.
        And now, when the time came X. - In general, SILENCE.


        In an interview with PBS, Obama also said that a possible strike on Syria should be small in order not to upset the balance between Assad and the rebels. US intervention should send the Syrian government “a pretty powerful signal, what better not to do it anymore».
        http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/29/nothelp/

        I think that it was not Vanga's prediction that made "the most powerful man on earth" move back, but the actions of our Diplomats and the President as well.

        Sincerely.
    3. Manager
      Manager 29 August 2013 17: 45
      +3
      Quote: rus9875
      All this rhetoric from the USA has one goal - Obama wants to demonstrate to his citizens that he has eggs


      In fact of the matter! Not a lot of money has been spent on this egg-laying. And if now just like that the whole armada will turn around and sail away, then just then the whole world will understand that there are no more eggs! request
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 29 August 2013 16: 04
    +2
    "Israel did not touch the government troops, choosing exclusively warehouses with weapons and ammunition as targets." - especially when the warehouses with "Yakhontomi" were bombed. They hindered them so much. Israel's neutrality has long been a legend.
    Quote: Essenger
    Assad's days are numbered
    But unfortunately I agree with this, first they remove the strong leaders, then they finish off the rest. Full of examples. Tactics of the Roman consuls.
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 29 August 2013 16: 13
      +2
      Well, Assad has been buried for the umpteenth time. And this time I think with the same result
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 18
      0
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      "Israel did not touch the government troops, choosing exclusively warehouses with weapons and ammunition as targets." - especially when the warehouses with "Yakhontomi" were bombed. They hindered them so much. Israel's neutrality has long been a legend.

      Given what Israel really could do, this is neutrality and targeted intervention that does not upset the real balance of power.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 29 August 2013 16: 08
    +4
    Well, here is the first more or less adequate analytics. And then more and more guard, everything is gone!
  • a52333
    a52333 29 August 2013 16: 13
    +1
    Assad's days are numbered
    No matter how the amers "sweat" in the attack
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 29 August 2013 16: 17
    +1
    Quote: rus9875
    There is even nothing to profit from in Syria, "Demidenko said, adding in this context that the data and unimaginable reserves of oil and gas that periodically pop up in the media have not been confirmed and often turn out to be a duck.


    Ah ... well, they’d say so right away. And then the aircraft carriers began to pull up the mattress covers. Turn around right now, the error came out. Since there is no oil, it means that there is no sense in transferring Tomahawks worth one and a half lard either.
    1. Orik
      Orik 29 August 2013 18: 30
      +1
      Tomahawk is not in lard (billion), but in lyam (million), and that's right.
  • Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 29 August 2013 16: 22
    +3
    The conflict in Syria is still not because of oil but a gas pipeline to Europe, and ultimately pressure on Russia. It’s just that the USA wanted to do it with the wrong hands. Now they can start a bombardment (maybe they will start) to help the same terrorists, but again they will act with their hands. If there is oil it will be just a nice bonus. Ours also began to boil, pulling the fleet to Syria. But I think this is just a demonstration of our interests. If something serious, then they are unlikely to even have time.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 33
      +1
      Quote: Yuri Ya.
      The conflict in Syria is still not because of oil but a pipeline to Europe

      Civil war because of the incompetent leadership of the country and the clan power. Enough of pulling these gas pipelines already, it sounds silly ...
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 05
        +1
        That's right. At least someone understands.
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 August 2013 16: 36
    +3
    Yes, it’s not at all a matter of oil, but everything is much simpler: try to intimidate Russia and its allies. So to make a showy flogging of Syria, but no matter how they tear them off! but there’s nothing to hold here and they’ll try with bombs.
    1. optimist
      optimist 29 August 2013 17: 18
      +4
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Yes, it’s not oil at all, but everything is much simpler: try to intimidate Russia and its allies.

      Still much easier. Amerikosam do not care, and Russia, and all the rest. They just need World War 3, in which some Aborigines will water others, and bourgeois on Wall Street will count the profits (which they safely did during the 1st and 2nd MVs). And Syria now is just a very convenient occasion. And all other conspiracy theological versions here do not channel. As the mattresses themselves say: nothing personal, just a business. For 10 years, they masturbate this miserable Middle East for only two reasons: there is a lot of oil and fools, ready to fight for some reason.
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 29 August 2013 19: 17
        +1
        Quote: optimist
        They just need World War 3, in which some Aborigines will wet others, and bourgeois on Wall Street will count the profits.


        Sorry, but there will be no one to count the profits. World war implies the involvement of dozens and hundreds of countries in large-scale hostilities. And the massive use of WMD is not just possible, it will be.
        Therefore, EVERYTHING will die, including the puppeteers who unleashed the slaughter.

        Sincerely.
        1. optimist
          optimist 29 August 2013 21: 33
          +1
          Quote: JIaIIoTb
          WMD is not just possible, it will be. Therefore, EVERYTHING will die, including the puppeteers who unleashed the slaughter.

          As the unforgettable A.P. Chekhov said: if a gun hangs on the wall, it will definitely shoot! And the Americans do not care: they have no choice but to stir up the world massacre for the third time and write off their debts. In addition, those who directly make the decision probably have some kind of "bunker" in which they will sit out.
  • Troy
    Troy 29 August 2013 17: 36
    0
    Quote: shinobi
    Well, here is the first more or less adequate analytics. And then more and more guard, everything is gone!

    I agree. Stop hysteria, time will tell. And instead of tantrums, it’s better to get down to business, for example, hackers to blow the brains of the Pentagon, etc.
  • sincman
    sincman 29 August 2013 17: 38
    +1
    The sensible voice of the people can be seen in the very heart of the Evil Corporation - in the USA:
    A person who has gone through the last American military campaigns and appreciated them from the inside.
  • sumcream56
    sumcream56 29 August 2013 17: 44
    +2
    The Arab sheikhs are to blame for everything: the Saudi kings and other feudal lords of the Gulf. They sit on oil and put most of their income in their pocket. The Saudis have a very powerful army. But the moral potential of these mercenaries is extremely low. So the USA is suggesting it! And the people are starting to think about it! Remember: both Nasser and Huseyenv in Iraq and Gaddafi were Arab socialists, like the present Assad. Moreover, the Alawites rule Syria, which is essentially a Shishite sect, which makes up 10-15% of the population. And the United States, England and France bought Arab Arab sheikh with giblets. That Obama must pay debts. But somehow I do not want to. But probably they will.
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 18: 54
      +1
      Quote: sumcream56
      The Arab sheikhs are to blame for everything: the Saudi kings and other feudal lords of the Gulf. They sit on oil and put most of their income in their pocket. The Saudis have a very powerful army. But the moral potential of these mercenaries is extremely low. So the USA is suggesting it! And the people are starting to think about it! Remember: both Nasser and Huseyenv in Iraq and Gaddafi were Arab socialists, like the present Assad. Moreover, the Alawites rule Syria, which is essentially a Shishite sect, which makes up 10-15% of the population. And the United States, England and France bought Arab Arab sheikh with giblets. That Obama must pay debts. But somehow I do not want to. But probably they will.

      These sheikhs must also be quartered, they don’t have enough bullets in their forehead that they do it in the name of the people, in the name of faith. Where is the faith in these people, where is the love and patriotism in these people? This is NOT ALL, they forgot about faith, they forgot about their people, they are only interested in money. What did the Parthians do with Mark Lucius Crassus who went to war on them because of envy of Caesar, since Caesar captured Gaul (France, and he didn’t , they grabbed him during the negotiations, took him away, and by opening their mouth by force they began to pour molten gold there, and after all Crassus was the richest man in the Roman world, his fortune is now estimated at 120 billion dollars. That's the same thing with these sheikhs.
    2. a52333
      a52333 29 August 2013 22: 57
      +2
      Recent events show that they do not care about debts. Powerful army +
      a) Saudi Arabia oppresses homosexuals
      b) and with democracy they have a bad guy
      c) Saudi money and so they work in the economy
      d) a lot of oil

      I conclude. Sauds can still breathe out (for a short while). It’s not a matter of debt. The point is chaos and a certain sequence of its appearance.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 37
        0
        Just Saudi Arabia can play by the rules.
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 29 August 2013 18: 06
    0
    X KNOWS HERE AND SAY
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 29 August 2013 18: 12
    +2
    Your voice is poorly audible, gentlemen, American veterans .....
    our government, too, often offends .... but we always knew what they fought for, and you for what or for whom? ... from a well-fed life ......
    go up against the war in Syria and elsewhere .... still a couple of your Snowdenes who serve on submarines ..... so that they click on a button .... and your racket right in Washington .... in the clearing in front of the white house .... immediately exorcise you ... and all ....
  • alone
    alone 29 August 2013 18: 23
    +3
    The invasion of Syria will turn into an ethno-religious meat grinder: military experts


    but what has been going on for 2,5 years in Syria, is it not an ethno-religious meat grinder? experts believe that
    Before the invasion of Syria, did people distribute flowers to each other there?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 29
      +3
      It will be much worse. Simply a massacre. because terrorist groups will no longer need to look back at the "world community" that supplies them, and also provides information and political support
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 37
        -1
        Quote: Spade
        It will be much worse. Simply a massacre. because terrorist groups will no longer need to look back at the "world community" that supplies them, and also provides information and political support

        It’s already going on - just in the options you are talking about. Now the Alawites are actively separating their areas from the Sunni. And back. There is now a massacre.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 August 2013 18: 45
          +2
          No, not yet. Although there are mistakes in the form of executions of teenagers or Kurdish hostages. But the Western media of information warfare effectively cover up these facts.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2013 18: 49
            -2
            Yes, they don’t really cover it, although they put more emphasis on the Asad guys - they also arranged a lot of fun things.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 29 August 2013 19: 15
              +4
              The fact is that the white and fluffy democracies of the United States, Europe and Israel support these very people, who shoot teenagers and hostages and eat the bodies of the dead. At the same time, declaring the inadmissibility of Assad’s support.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 15
                -1
                Israel, Lopatov, does not support them. And the democracies of the United States and Europe are also in a wild predicament - that’s why they are now climbing in there to pick up their hands and prevent the radicals from turning around completely. Democracies of the USA and Europe are not white and fluffy. Europe fought all its life and fiercely defended its interests. Like the states.
                Assad’s guys are doing the same, and just remember the massacre in the village of Al-Baida and the city of Baniyas. There are bloody bastards on both sides, which ones to look for.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 29 August 2013 22: 37
      0
      Quote: lonely
      But what has been going on for 2,5 years in Syria, is it not an ethno-religious meat grinder?

      The author of the article used the prefix ETNO, although there is almost one Arabs ethnic group. Kurds and Armenians practically do not participate in the war, they are trying to encapsulate their space, so there is no smell of any ethno, purely inter-confessional disassembly.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 18: 37
    0
    Quote: lonely
    The invasion of Syria will turn into an ethno-religious meat grinder: military experts


    but what has been going on for 2,5 years in Syria, is it not an ethno-religious meat grinder? experts believe that
    Before the invasion of Syria, did people distribute flowers to each other there?

    Obviously, the experts didn’t get here. There really is 2-3 years of CARBON (otherwise you can’t call it) between the militants, the army and the Kurds. The Americans themselves will not send troops, and indeed their troops will not go there too costly and risky business. Yes, they they can bomb and strike with missiles, isn’t it better if either the militants or the Turks do it for them.
    1. alone
      alone 29 August 2013 19: 38
      0
      they don’t need to send troops there. In Syria there is someone to storm the positions of Assad. The cameras are not stupid. They do not risk the lives of their soldiers when this is not necessary
      1. GREAT RUSSIA
        GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 20: 19
        +1
        I’m talking about why amers should send troops if Assad’s army after losing missiles and bombings (and after that Assad’s army loses all combat readiness) militants can easily cope.
  • Russ69
    Russ69 29 August 2013 18: 45
    +1
    It seems that the Britons calmed down a little ... Yesterday they were more warlike.

    LONDON, August 29. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Vladimir Kalinin. Britain will not insist on a military operation against Syria if members of the UN Security Council are strongly opposed to this decision.
    The Prime Minister of the Kingdom David Cameron said this during the discussion in parliament of the government's resolution on the intervention in the SAR. "It would be unthinkable to make such a decision if the majority of the Security Council members opposed it," the head of government said. Cameron also said that the British parliament will vote on the issue of intervention in Syria "only after discussing this issue in the UN Security Council."
  • zennon
    zennon 29 August 2013 19: 05
    +1
    No decision has yet been made to invade Syria.

    The decision has been made. We, Russia, can’t stop it.
    1. Raptor75
      Raptor75 29 August 2013 20: 12
      +4
      The further you go, the more indecisive the threats become. Don't you find?
  • Kiliny
    Kiliny 29 August 2013 19: 13
    +2
    The situation is getting funnier: Cameron News: London does not know who is responsible for chemical attacks in Syria
  • pinecone
    pinecone 29 August 2013 19: 38
    +2
    In the meantime, under all this noise and din, stock market speculators are making a lot of money on oil futures.
  • sergej30003
    sergej30003 29 August 2013 19: 43
    +1
    The West knows very well who carried out the chemical attack, this is a strategic plan to overthrow President Assad and invade Syria, the inspection is a farce, and even if they determine the opposition as guilty, that is unlikely. there will still be an invasion, the flywheel of war is already untwisted.
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 29 August 2013 19: 58
    +1
    Quote: man
    Negative - do not roll bags. I feel the same sorry for Assad. But would anyone put a tote on him? Did anyone manage to stay alive before him?

    I would bet against Assad at 3,14-ddos. And since I don’t rush me in the game for money, you would look and it became easier for Syria. The question is where do bets take?
    1. a52333
      a52333 29 August 2013 23: 01
      0
      So I am the same. What window do the USAists accept bets on?
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 August 2013 20: 03
    0
    Conclusions +.
    Events in Lebanon in 75-90 turned into a difficult confrontation between Christians and Muslims, and nothing more! Today it is a war of inter-confessional and ethnic interests, as well as an internal struggle of ideological trends in Islam.
    In reality, all this could happen without global consequences, but the simultaneous merging of the ambitions and aspirations of the Saudis, Israelis, the leaders of England, France and Turkey, lead the current situation to world chaos - at least a long-term civil war in the entire Middle East, a maximum of the third world war.
  • SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 29 August 2013 20: 05
    +2
    Here are some comments from New York Times readers:Listen, these cruise missiles take down four high-rise buildings at a time. They kill the civilian population indiscriminately. They say you need to bomb in order to save civilians from the dictator ... pff. And who will save them from Obama?
    I don’t care what kind of evidence they have. One of the parties that is eager for the eruption of a "volcano of revenge" for a gas attack on Assad is Al Qaeda.

    Are our allies Al Qaeda? What the hell ?!

    What will this country do if Islamic fundamentalists win and gain control over Assad’s war gas reserves? Will it be used against the Americans? And who will we bomb then?
    Yes, both right and left converge in this. Attacking Syria is a nightmare idea. Why? Firstly, this is not our business. Secondly, we have a complete mess at home and we need to deal with it. Thirdly, who cares what is happening in Syria.
    It's hard to disagree with the fact that they have a complete Mess of Deception there. laughing
  • Raptor75
    Raptor75 29 August 2013 20: 08
    +2
    From the latest news -
    According to the prime minister, Britain's participation in hostilities would be "unthinkable" if such a decision would cause "the disapproval of the majority" in the UN Security Council.

    So the Britons began to deflate ...
  • Renat
    Renat 29 August 2013 20: 24
    +1
    The decision to invade has not been made. But what is the name of providing weapons to bandits by throwing out explicit murderers into the territory of a sovereign country and supporting them with all kinds of informational support making them poor lambs. What is all this called?
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 29 August 2013 20: 45
      +2
      Quote: Renat
      The decision to invade has not been made. But what is the name of providing weapons to bandits by throwing out explicit murderers into the territory of a sovereign country and supporting them with all kinds of informational support making them poor lambs. What is all this called?

      I don’t even know what it's all called, but for such a single execution is not enough.
  • Sadikoff
    Sadikoff 29 August 2013 20: 40
    0
    In any business, one can distinguish several levels of interests, from purely tactical to political-evolutionary.
    What the United States promotes is a change in the political world and it is not carried out in any way by Obama, nor by the arms or oil or Baek barons. If you look soberly at those countries that have changed, there was a certain degree of stagnation, then after changing the regime it may not get better - Fresh blood has come all the same, new people are moving to the front. The whole world should be updated periodically, this will not escape the United States.
  • gal
    gal 29 August 2013 20: 51
    0
    cool photo - "midget" on the tower :)
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 29 August 2013 20: 58
    +1
    Damn, Europeys do not understand where the crowd of bearded "fighters for democracy" will rush. am It is unlikely that they will continue to walk around Africa, most likely they will return home. am The Paris Caliphate and the London Imamate are just around the corner. am On, and if Europe is lucky and still continues, there is an ally in the BRICS-South Africa, and these guys have the experience of fighting all kinds of partisans no worse than the Soviet one. Yes, there were earlier disagreements, but in modern conditions there are strange allies. wink Like the United States and al-Qaeda for example.
    Only to equip them with modern technology, even if the result is repaid in credit.
    But trying to sit aside is stupid. Otherwise, everything will end at the Moscow Ring Road, if not at the walls of the Kremlin. yes
    1. alone
      alone 29 August 2013 21: 20
      -1
      do not forget to write off the loan later. good traditions cannot be broken.
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 29 August 2013 21: 30
        +1
        If the result is positive, why not write off? Previously, a debt was written off for a positive result, although it was in Soviet times. and right now ... xs ... At the edge, then contracts for state corporations can be recaptured.
  • gavana
    gavana 29 August 2013 21: 04
    -4
    How to fight with amers as Asadka bench press, it’s not children poisoning sarin.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 29 August 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Even during attacks on targets on Syrian territory, Israel did not touch government troops, choosing for its purpose exclusively warehouses with weapons, ammunition
    - it is so much easier to disarm the enemy than to bomb clusters of his troops, which do not know where and how many are unknown.
    And in general, Israel has a strange kind of "neutrality" - they give free passage to Syrian militants to their territory and fire at the government troops pursuing them, from the military in Syria we often hear statements that another Syrian gang has Israeli-made weapons, which already makes us think.
    1. alone
      alone 29 August 2013 21: 21
      -1
      do you think the mossad don’t eat his bread for free?
    2. Bonce
      Bonce 29 August 2013 21: 24
      0
      There is no free passage for militants and never has been, there are cases of receiving the wounded, any wounded who crawl will patch.

      Only the points from which fire is fired on Israeli territory are fired upon, and I would like to see what kind of mythical Israeli weapon they are. Have you been explained here so many times that there are Kalash with RPGs there, does this also make you think?

      Although you from Ukraine and Russia probably know better than us from Israel.
    3. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 23: 19
      0
      The region is supersaturated with Israeli-made weapons. Israel has been in Lebanon since 1982, but supplied the TsADAL. In 2000, they came out so hastily that they literally left mountains of weapons.
      Israel has a huge amount of captured weapons. If there was a desire to help the Syrians, it would be used, and not one that is easily tracked by markings.

      Syrian troops are fired at, which so accidentally hit artillery shells on Israeli territory.
  • vadson
    vadson 29 August 2013 21: 26
    +2
    Now I watch the news on NTV, the British want to call their lawlessness "HUMANITARIAN INTERVENTION". bl9lt I don't even have words.
  • morprepud
    morprepud 29 August 2013 22: 11
    +2
    This is a tidbit that the West wants to grab, "the expert summed up.
    and PLUS to deprive Russia of the last basing place in the "Middle-earth" !.
  • vair
    vair 30 August 2013 00: 04
    +1
    Quote: Pimply
    And there is an ordinary, terrible and bloody civil war. Which, I think, will only be completed by a split in the state according to the Yugoslav scheme.

    Sorry for the immodest question, but who started it?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 30 August 2013 00: 49
      -1
      Quote: vair
      Sorry for the immodest question, but who started it?

      A life. Civil war always starts life. If life suits, no money injections will not bring people to the square.
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 30 August 2013 05: 24
    +1
    The article is calming and there is something in it. However, not a small amount of money was spent on relocation. It is somehow doubtful that all this was necessary only for playing muscles. No matter how the forum users did not belong to Israel, the latter is absolutely not needed by the latter. In the event of NATO attacks on Syria, the Israelis will be involved in any conflict. (Assad said this directly.) I think the NATO people will still be hit for a couple of days, and then they will rebound, declaring to the whole world that punishment for chemical attacks is inevitable.
    Syrians will need more exposure than ever and good air defense.
  • Novosib980
    Novosib980 30 August 2013 06: 47
    0
    Quote: Pimply
    Queues for gas masks in case of any exacerbation.

    Freebie! laughing
  • Troy
    Troy 30 August 2013 07: 04
    0
    Quote: gavana
    How to fight with amers as Asadka bench press, it’s not children poisoning sarin.

    Firstly, it is unproven that Assad carried out a chemical attack.
    Secondly, it’s not Assad’s bench press bench, but your amer’s bench press bench alone to attack serious opponents, which we have seen more than once in recent history. And you, judging by the statement, from the ranks of liberal democracy, another zhopupoprosheka. negative
  • observer
    observer 30 August 2013 16: 59
    0
    greedy amers, ready to take a piece of bread from a starving child, if only it would be beneficial to them
  • AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 August 2013 17: 43
    0
    My friends from Israel about the possible involvement of their country in a clash with Syria unanimously say something like the following- ** the Muslim world will become angry with Israel even more, and this is not in the interests of ordinary people of Israel suffering from terrorist attacks in Israel **. Those who walked along the embankment in Tel Aviv must have paid attention to the monument to the victims of the 2001 explosion on June 01 at the * Dolphinarium * disco for teenagers from the CIS countries and the number of schoolchildren who died. The suicide bomber sat for a day in the mosque opposite, and at 11 pm he simply crossed the street and blew himself up in a disco. Teenager, please pay attention. And the African American, suffering from the mania of world presidency, does not give a damn about it. Is it because the rumors of his relatives are Muslims?