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Russia may stop the supply of rocket engines in the US

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Manufacturers of Russian rocket engines RD-180 may stop supplying products to the United States. This is due to the fact that Russian engines can be used in the American defense industry.


Americans use the engines of Russian designers to create Atlas V rockets. These rockets are part of a project to create an American universal spacecraft. weaponsAccording to the newspaper "Izvestia".

“At the meeting of the Security Council, in particular, it was stated that Atlas V missiles are used to launch a promising space plane, which in essence is the newest universal space weapon, potentially dangerous, including for the Russian satellite constellation. Therefore, the question now is about stopping the supply of RD-180 to Americans after 2015 of the year, ”a source in Roscosmos told the newspaper.

Under the 1996 agreement of the year, the Russian engine manufacturer NPO Energomash undertook to supply 50 RD-180 engines as part of a firm contract, and also 51 under an option agreement. Russian manufacturers have already supplied more than 60 engines in the USA at prices of $ 11 – 15 million apiece.

Rocket Atlas V

American designers have created a rocket Atlas V based on Russian technology. It is equipped with two engines. In addition to the already described RD-180, the rocket is equipped with an American RL-10 engine.

The manufacturer of the missiles is the American company United Launch Alliance, which was created by Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Both companies are large Pentagon partners and regularly receive funds for defense orders.

The first launch of the rocket took place in 2002 year. From now on, rockets are considered "relatively reliable." NASA uses this type of rocket to launch moons of the Moon and Mars.

In 2010, by order of the Pentagon, American specialists launched a cosmonoplan by Boeing. After this, the tests of the experimental space plane (without people) were held several more times.
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 August 2013 13: 52 New
    56
    I completely approve. We can do without their green candy wrappers. And they will have big problems ... But nefig was.
    1. afire
      afire 28 August 2013 14: 11 New
      33
      I agree, in general, this kind of cooperation is not in the hands of statesmen, but hucksters, who have only $$$ in their eyes
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 14: 15 New
        26
        This is of course the right decision, but taking into account the actions of the United States in relation to Syria is clearly insufficient!
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 28 August 2013 15: 05 New
          29
          We can also help, simply do not buy American products and do not keep our money in dollars.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 28 August 2013 17: 05 New
            +2
            Are you serious? Without GM, we can somehow manage to do something, but I doubt it without INTEL
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 10 New
              13
              We will buy AMD. wink
              1. Dober
                Dober 29 August 2013 01: 34 New
                0
                The same eggs - only on the side.
                AMD (Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.) is the brainchild of Sanders. Founded (legal address) in Calo Fornia, USA. Since 2009, it does not have its own production.
                1. Nickanor
                  Nickanor 29 August 2013 08: 21 New
                  -1
                  Simply put, AMD is merging what does not pass by Intel's quality standards.
                  The production base is essentially the same. From this AMD products are much cheaper than Intel products.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 29 August 2013 12: 46 New
                    +2
                    Simply put, AMD is merging what does not pass by Intel's quality standards.

                    What is lying? And the fact that AMD and Intel have DIFFERENT processor architectures doesn’t bother you?
                    1. Nickanor
                      Nickanor 30 August 2013 09: 28 New
                      0
                      AMD merges what does not pass according to Intel quality standards.
                      The production base is essentially the same.

                      Repeatedly heard about this from various sources. It is possible that nonsense.
                      Unfortunately, I am not a specialist in processor architecture.
                      Thank you for correcting. hi
              2. Fire
                Fire 29 August 2013 08: 30 New
                +2
                It is necessary Zelenograd to reach full production capacity !!! We’ll buy our percentages ... Only they (Zelenogradtsy) are not in a hurry for something to increase productivity ...
                1. poquello
                  poquello 29 August 2013 18: 44 New
                  +1
                  Quote: feuer
                  It is necessary Zelenograd to reach full production capacity !!! We’ll buy our percentages ... Only they (Zelenogradtsy) are not in a hurry for something to increase productivity ...

                  So I think they are completely lazy, you give a dozen per stream.
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 28 August 2013 18: 01 New
              +3
              Yes, now all production in Indonesia laughing
          2. Ruslan_F38
            Ruslan_F38 28 August 2013 20: 01 New
            +7
            Quote: Lord of the Sith
            We can also help, simply do not buy American products and do not keep our money in dollars.


            I agree with you, a boycott of American products and currency are the same options for protest.
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            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 28 August 2013 21: 16 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruslan_F38
              I agree with you, a boycott of American products and currency are the same options for protest.

              The couple are still blocking the Belarusian, but not the American!
              “We were surprised to learn that Mr. Onishchenko stated that he has questions about the quality of our dairy products,” a representative of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food of Belarus told RIA Novosti.

              Today it became known that Rospotrebnadzor has complaints about Belarusian products. The department is not satisfied with the quality of milk, cottage cheese and butter.
              Does this seem strange to you?

              And one more interesting news about Ukrainian partisans!
              "A detachment of the best military personnel of a separate coastal defense brigade of the country delivered it to the Zamana Mountain, which is over 1 meters high, which is located not far from the Simferopol-Alushta highway.

              “We chose this place because it was here that the partisans fought heroically,” Major Mikhail Yurchenko told the publication of the deputy commander of the battalion for educational work. “We decided that the flag will be clearly visible to all travelers who are heading to the southern coast of Crimea.”

              However, a few days later, unknown persons stole a yellow-blue flag and installed the USSR flag in its place.

              “On the morning of August 27, they found a broken flagpole and a hastily installed Soviet flag,” the military said.

              As a result, the Soviet flag was also removed. And on the mountain they decided to install Ukrainian again. "
              1. Nickanor
                Nickanor 29 August 2013 08: 25 New
                +3
                Insanity grows stronger!
                Belarusian products (IMHO) are some of the best and high quality.
                1. Raiven
                  Raiven 29 August 2013 11: 17 New
                  0
                  this is the favorite lever of pressure on us. After the cessation of oil and gas supplies
              2. 225chay
                225chay 29 August 2013 09: 39 New
                0
                Quote: S_mirnov
                Today it became known that Rospotrebnadzor has complaints about Belarusian products. The department is not satisfied with the quality of milk, cottage cheese and butter.
                Does this seem strange to you?

                cheap revenge for the detention of a afyuga and a fraudster
              3. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 09: 43 New
                -1
                Quote: S_mirnov

                The couple are still blocking the Belarusian, but not the American!
                “We were surprised to learn that Mr. Onishchenko stated that he has questions about the quality of our dairy products,” a representative of the Ministry of Agriculture and Food of Belarus told RIA Novosti.

                Today it became known that Rospotrebnadzor has complaints about Belarusian products. The department is not satisfied with the quality of milk, cottage cheese and butter.
                Does this seem strange to you?


                because it’s not necessary to become impudent ...
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 29 August 2013 10: 03 New
                  0
                  On the campaign, Belarus pressed the tail of the Russian swindler "Moscow shows that it is outraged by the very fact of the arrest of Uralkali CEO Vladislav Baumgertner" - it encroached on inviolable Russian corruption!
                  Now we observe the answers of domestic godfathers:
                  "Yesterday, Transneft announced that due to the need to repair the Druzhba pipeline, oil supplies to Belarus will decrease by 400 thousand tons in September (Mozyr and Novopolotsk refineries will receive less than 200 thousand tons each)."
                  1. Danafxnumx
                    Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 10: 35 New
                    -1
                    but nothing that the fault of contention in the potash industry lies precisely with Belarus?
                    but nothing that it was a visit to resolve all the issues agreed on through Medvedev?
                    what will happen next? will our Belarusian "partners" arrest Putin?
                    1. Raiven
                      Raiven 29 August 2013 11: 15 New
                      -1
                      yeah, and besides there are no other levers of pressure to shut off the gas supply in January and oil. About 5 years ago or more, the Russian Federation stopped supplying gas. In January . It was down to -30 on the street. We were very good. fun

                      UralKali has withdrawn from the contract, and our company can just go peacefully. And we already have a crisis and inflation.
                      1. Danafxnumx
                        Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 12: 42 New
                        -1
                        why should it bother us?
                        Are you a separate country or went out for a walk?
                        Papa Kuzi was supposed to think about the consequences when he broke off the contract with UralKali ...
                  2. Raiven
                    Raiven 29 August 2013 11: 20 New
                    0
                    the need to repair the Friendship pipeline as soon as the arrest took place. Technical work, yeah we believe fool
              4. Raiven
                Raiven 29 August 2013 10: 14 New
                0
                Onishchenko always finds fault with our dairy products. We have almost 10 million people. they drink our milk and do not poison, it is better if a mass raid on the markets suits the regions. Or US products and the EU covers.
                1. Danafxnumx
                  Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 10: 36 New
                  0
                  it’s very good that we don’t poison ourselves, we also do not poison ourselves ...
                  maybe we don’t really need you?
                  1. Raiven
                    Raiven 29 August 2013 11: 12 New
                    -1
                    why then buy our stake and your products are not inferior in quality?

                    Yes, and oil supplies were reduced.

                    In Belarus, it is believed that Russia responded to their arrest of the top manager of the Uralkali company by starting a milk-oil war. According to the information publication Charter 97, the Russian sanitary service has received remarks about the dairy products of Belarusian companies, and the oil company Transneft is reducing its oil supplies to Minsk.
                    1. Danafxnumx
                      Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 12: 12 New
                      -1
                      oh, everything is extremely simple ...
                      your products were able to grab a small niche when our milk was not enough ...
                      it still occupies this niche ...
                      you don’t think that all 140 million Russians would have been left without milk if it weren’t for your products
            3. Edward
              Edward 28 August 2013 22: 15 New
              0
              Dear administration.
              Tell me, for what or why did you delete my comment ?!
              What was wrong about him ?!
              (Andrey, hi!)
      2. Theophanes
        Theophanes 28 August 2013 20: 44 New
        +9
        In general, we must turn off all sorts of deliveries to the American killers immediately !!! Enough to arm the killers! Today Syria - tomorrow Russia. Stalin will curse us for the betrayal of everything and everything conquered by our grandfathers and fathers! Amer-scoundrels, NATO Amerov analyses and you can talk to them only by force. The Russian army and navy must be lifted from its knees. With a pension, I’m ready to transfer a sum every month not very large, but where? True, I'm afraid that DAM and its amers will send.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 28 August 2013 20: 50 New
          -1
          Is Russia arming the United States? good
    2. waisson
      waisson 28 August 2013 14: 14 New
      12
      it's time to show who is the boss in space
      1. edge
        edge 28 August 2013 14: 32 New
        23
        Quote: waisson
        it's time to show who is the boss in space

        launch the Spiral project, bring the EKIP project to the stage of implementation, put into service hypersonic missiles, withdraw Scotland from Britain (most likely the Britons get into a fight in order to keep Ireland and Scotland nearby), and California from the United States
        1. poquello
          poquello 28 August 2013 19: 43 New
          +6
          Quote: hert

          launch the Spiral project, bring the EKIP project to the stage of implementation, put into service hypersonic missiles, withdraw Scotland from Britain (most likely the Britons get into a fight in order to keep Ireland and Scotland nearby), and California from the United States

          I agree, but to rock the American boat political decisions are needed, I think the degree of influence (so to speak of political friendship, hostility) is still more visible from above.
          IMHO it will not be superfluous to broadcast on Rasha Tudey "about the life of the Chukchi" addressed to the American Indians with a retrospective of films of the cop "Def". It is necessary to press for information, the Indians are the slaves of the Americans, the Americans are the slaves of the police system, the free world is fighting the American neocolonization.
          1. Skiff-2
            Skiff-2 28 August 2013 20: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: poquello
            launch the Spiral project, bring the EKIP project to the stage of implementation, put into service hypersonic missiles, withdraw Scotland from Britain (most likely the Britons get into a fight in order to keep Ireland and Scotland nearby), and California from the United States

            There are also levers of pressure: to freeze supplies of aviation titanium of the entire assortment (we supply for Boeing and Airbus), to throw US securities from the state reserve to their market ... you can’t help strengthen the enemy ... especially in space.
      2. Aryan
        Aryan 28 August 2013 14: 32 New
        14
        in-in! let our engines fly there yourself! laughing
      3. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 28 August 2013 14: 44 New
        13
        Quote: waisson
        it's time to show who is the boss in space

        А WHO??
        Well, what the ... (radishes) are you? Would you shower everyone with "hats"?
        What the:
        Quote: il grand casino
        Das ist good, das ist fiction

        Quote: an_ursus
        It's time, oh oh .....


        But this is HOW ?? -
        Quote: Russ69
        and on the other hand, the plant only on these orders at one time survived.

        Quote: valodavoodoo
        From the beginning, they need to find application for themselves in Russia, otherwise we’ll ruin both production and the latter’s specialists.

        Quote: Kibalchish
        But what will happen to the factory that produces them? The main thing here because of politics is not to ditch one of the few high-tech industries.


        That is, we "give a fuck" to them and drown ourselves?
        And who made the decision, initially - on supplies THEM, наших engines?
        Who and THAN thought? Putin doesn't want to know? Or - "not 37 years old"?

        Today. News. Again of our citizen (RF), for some night-vision devices (according to the media), Lithuania, (and others like it - bed bugs, small and smelly)(extradited) amer. With a four-day delay, according to the notification of our Foreign Ministry. wassat What, means of influence on bedbugs, we do not have? Are "Fumitoks" over?

        And you - all with "caps" ... To pacify the "bugs", Putin - either cannot, or does not want to.
        Here is the main thing from the article that
        Quote: Russ69
        The situation is of course twofold.


        That's who we are, forever in this "duality" turns on ???
        As an example, the WTO.
        Glory to Putin (even without a point)
        1. Bort radist
          Bort radist 28 August 2013 17: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: Z.A.M.
          about the supply of IM, our engines?

          And the waters were "hooked" on ours, and now, oh, how difficult it is to jump off.
        2. No_more
          No_more 28 August 2013 17: 53 New
          +1
          There is always the temptation to take radical measures, but as practice shows, in most cases, if it gives results, then at such a price that you think hard for the second time.
        3. poquello
          poquello 28 August 2013 19: 49 New
          +2
          [Quote = Z.A.M.]
          That is, we "give a fuck" to them and drown ourselves?
          [/ Quote]
          Come on. Once you decide it means you need power, it's just a convenient reason.
      4. Renat
        Renat 28 August 2013 17: 32 New
        +2
        We were the masters when MIR was in orbit. Of course, he worked more than was calculated, but the margin of safety allowed him to still serve. But ... Unfortunately, they drowned.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 28 August 2013 17: 46 New
          +3
          No, old fellow, she was already unable to function normally. At first, I reasoned the same way (damned capitalists ruined the station). All the last flights to the station were just to clean (from mold), eliminate, eliminate. Everything, she worked out her ! There is nothing to shed tears of crocodiles here, you need to create something new. PURE YOURSELF will not be received.
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 28 August 2013 19: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Den 11
            No, old fellow, she was already unable to function normally. At first, I reasoned the same way (damned capitalists ruined the station). All the last flights to the station were just to clean (from mold), eliminate, eliminate. Everything, she worked out her

            For this scrap metal, China also offered us money and serious money. But no!
            At the request of our partners, we lowered it!
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 28 August 2013 19: 47 New
              +1
              It’s interesting how would they get there? When they flooded the World? When did the first take-off fly? Think, gentlemen, think!
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 09: 48 New
              0
              Well, yes, let's give some more technology to China ...
              awake the first to yell for betrayal yourself ...
        2. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 09: 47 New
          0
          How to say...
          if we are not the owners, then maybe the amers will try to send the astronauts themselves into orbit?
      5. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 28 August 2013 21: 21 New
        -1
        Duc Americans say they flew to the moon! Let them use those engines on which they flew to the "moon" and are flying now! Their mythical lunar engines are more powerful than ours declared!
        Why are they less powerful here than they order their lunar engines?
        Although the grandmas are painfully large, our traders will not let the Americans refuse angry !
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 09: 49 New
          +1
          they mysteriously LOST all drawings and documents from the lunar program bully
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 29 August 2013 12: 48 New
            +1
            They generally have this process on a grand scale. Especially when you need to prove something. The Russians with two balls next to each other did not stand on the quality of the process "lost" to the Americans ...
            1. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 13: 20 New
              +1
              and how they draw this evidence is generally expensive laughing
    3. dmitreach
      dmitreach 28 August 2013 14: 35 New
      +9
      War has an absolute expression in numbers. Which is better: bomb the factory for the production of RD 180, intended exclusively for the American missile.
      appointment
      For the first stage
      LV "Atlas III" and "Atlas V"
      Lockheed Martin (USA)
      http://www.npoenergomash.ru/engines/rd180/rd180_5.html

      They make RD191 there,
      appointment
      For the first stage
      of the "Angara" LV family.
      http://www.npoenergomash.ru/engines/rd191/
      Both come from the ancestor - RD170.
      Or not to bomb, but to close production generating income? And who benefits from this? Online Enemies of Keyboard Wars?

      At the cost of burning it on a far-fetched pretext, but within the framework of the contract - this is capitalistically. And they didn’t say “no,” and they gave me cancer.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 August 2013 14: 52 New
        10
        And who said they would bomb the plant? Just stop releasing RD-180. The hangar on the way, the new spaceport on the way, RD-191 will be very necessary. Go ahead and with the song.
        Income is income, but it is necessary to wash mattress covers. Absolutely brutalized. They do not respect anyone.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach 28 August 2013 15: 30 New
          +2
          I’m developing a thought: war can have a hot stage of conflict, or it can be in the form of assistance to their corporations and the tough pressure of competitors from other countries. (so-called: economic wars)
          Lech from ZATULINKI RU Today, 14:01

          According to the decision of the US Department of Commerce on March 8, 2013, the Russian company T-Platforms was included in the "List of organizations and individuals acting contrary to US national security and foreign policy interests" (Supplement No. 4 to Part 744).


          Bombing is a figure of speech. You could say "shoot the cash cow." It is especially strange to hear when "their patriots" propose. (Just don't ask me what the cow has to do with astronautics) Is that clearer? hi
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 44 New
            +5
            Well, let's then, when we once again spit in the face, substitute another ass ?! And what? Money is it!
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach 28 August 2013 16: 40 New
              +3
              And we do not spit in their faces? Sorry, Obama has menstruation, or what? With what fright does their whole Fashington committee on Mr. *** come from? It even dawned on the fact that the meeting at the top level with Putin was canceled! They made a noise in the circle of Syria, not with the aim of bombing, but in anticipation of a meeting with the GDP (within the framework of the G-20, it will not work to cancel, but being beaten - pride does not allow). Trumps - NO. It was necessary to create. Think they created. A word for GDP. Russia has simply spread it over the past few months. From that so rage. It even dawned on that Lavrov was forced to convene a press conference and give the amers a chance to save face, without speaking sharply about them. By the way, they have already retreated. Judging by publications in the Western media.

              Ass fagot substitute. Russia's policy is very pragmatic. And companies earn and amers chew horseradish.
              This is their method - list war. It is their policies that force their traders to roll back from lucrative contracts with ours. But This is NOT OUR METHOD.

              Well, let's then, when we once again spit in the face, substitute another ass ?! And what? Money is it!

              And in the end it was - literally. When there was nothing to eat in the country, the film "Intergirl" was a reflection of reality. Want in those days? Elementary. - Chop high-tech spheres of activity, for the love of art and do not trade resources. Not YOU, so YOUR daughters will trade ass. The influx of Slavic prostitutes to the West was already in the 90s.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 28 August 2013 16: 52 New
                +1
                And we do not spit in their faces?

                Nope .. smile We apparently honestly told them about who they are and where they can go with their "trump cards". So they are furious.
                It’s just one thing when you are being punished for real wrongdoing, and another when they came up with you and wrongdoing and you came up with evidence, they also ask how you will prove that you have nothing to do with it. And you still do not know what did such an illegal.
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach 28 August 2013 17: 15 New
                  +4
                  We apparently honestly told them about who they are and where they can go with their "trump cards". So they are furious.

                  or like this.
                  It’s just one thing when you are being punished for real wrongdoing, and another when they came up with you and wrongdoing and you came up with evidence, they also ask how you will prove that you have nothing to do with it. And you still do not know what did such an illegal.

                  And Russia is not using it yet. This is below our dignity. Otherwise, at each meeting they would be reminded of the Colin Powell Tube. The only time that Russia emotionally allowed itself to poke amer noses in their g *** is Churkin’s monologue in the UN Security Council in response to Khalilzad. Once again they were not so washed. For now...
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 22 New
                    +1
                    And Russia is not using it yet.

                    And it’s better not to use it. For dirty technology, no one was respected.
                    1. dmitreach
                      dmitreach 28 August 2013 17: 30 New
                      0
                      That's why we do not use it.
              2. Danafxnumx
                Danafxnumx 29 August 2013 09: 53 New
                +1
                I just don’t understand one thing ...
                if we and our military need these capacities, then why do you think the plant will close?
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 29 August 2013 00: 25 New
          0
          Well, if 10-15 years is on the way, then yes ....
    4. artemiy
      artemiy 28 August 2013 14: 47 New
      +1
      WHAT !!! We also customize them engines ??? Stunned or something !!! Cover the shop urgently !!!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 00 New
        +6
        WHAT !!! We also customize them engines ???

        Yeah. And titanium. And titanium products. And precise instruments. And much more ... only no one talks about it and will not write in enthusiastic tones in newspapers.
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 28 August 2013 15: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: Wedmak
          And much more ... only no one talks about it and will not write in enthusiastic tones in newspapers.

          Quiet, quiet so ... modestly ... like Alchen, from "12 chairs". Like this - repeat crying
    5. Joker
      Joker 28 August 2013 16: 18 New
      +2
      I fully approve. Without their green candy wrappers we will manage. And they will have big problems.

      Yeah, keep your pocket wider, while amers buy these engines, our company lives and workers work, there will be no orders, people will have to be laid off, and the company will not lose money on finance, because our MO engines are not going to buy larger volumes to close the hole . Amer will burn of course, they will burn very badly, but they will make their engines, those specialists that will be fired from us during the reduction will move there. Oh yeah, I forgot to say about the fact that while amers bought from us, they didn’t conduct research, there was no development, thus they were dependent on us and lagged behind more and more technologically, the same situation as we civilian aircraft, only the other way around, if we push out ours from our market, we will be dependent on all sorts of Boeing and Airbus and they leave us one fine day, then we would be in complete priest. And now, in fact, we are doing the United States a favor, until the gap is very big, they will catch up with us on the engines, and if we had forbidden the sale of years through 50, they would get the hell out of us, we just had to invest GIANT money. I think the idea of ​​a ban is stupid.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 August 2013 16: 29 New
        +2
        Yeah, hold your pocket wider while amers buy these engines, our company lives and workers work, there will be no orders, people will have to be fired and the finance company will not lose it

        You do not claim that the company survives only because of this order? What is $ 20 million if the production cycle of such an engine is 8 months (there was such information somewhere)? So is such a large percentage of the money comes from this contract?
        and if we had forbidden the sale of years through 50, then they would have gotten the hell out of us, we had to invest just GIANT money.

        And now they would have to invest a lot of money. RD-180 was specifically designed for them. It’s just that the USA didn’t have the means to do it themselves. Already then. And now, with budget cuts ....
        Yes, they would rather spend a couple of billions on a new military pepelats than on "some" rocket engine that can be bought cheaply from the Russians.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 28 August 2013 17: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          You do not claim that the company survives only because of this order? What is $ 20 million if the production cycle of such an engine is 8 months (there was such information somewhere)? So is such a large percentage of the money comes from this contract?

          Russian manufacturers have already delivered more than 60 engines to the United States at prices of $ 11-15 million apiece.
          Count yourself?
    6. mr.Man
      mr.Man 28 August 2013 16: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Wedmak
      I completely approve. We can do without their green candy wrappers. And they will have big problems ... But nefig was.

      For some reason I’m not sure that they will have big problems ... winked
      After so many years of using the RD-180, they did not understand and figured out what .. how, how ... and what is this product made of?
      Americans are so kind and fluffy, they themselves reach everything and do not engage in espionage and copyright, because they are not even Chinese at all wink, and to create the "best in the world" first stage taxiway under the nambre F-1 super-puper 2X, and of course there will be no advertisements for this breakthrough product of the genius of American designers ... wassat angry
      You think too well about them, but I'm not sure that RD-180 with not big nuances and under a different design will not appear as F-1 super-puper 2X ...
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 August 2013 16: 40 New
        +1
        You think too well about them, but I'm not sure that RD-180 with not big nuances and under a different design will not appear as F-1 super-puper 2X ...

        Will appear. I have no doubt. Years through 5-7, when the production cycle is established. I have no doubt that they dismantled a couple of engines and studied everything under a microscope. Yes, and they seem to have documentation.
        But now they think it is more profitable to buy from us than to build their production chain. And if we do not sell? Then they will move ...
        1. alone
          alone 28 August 2013 17: 25 New
          +4
          Denis! and who gives guarantees that the cycle is not ready? It may very well be that the production cycle is already ready, and they keep it in reserve. Americans are not stupid. they can take into account all force majeure circumstances. this is a fact
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 40 New
            0
            and who gives guarantees that the cycle is not ready?

            Of course, there are no such guarantees, I do not argue.
            But something is hard to believe. All the same, these are not iPhones or televisions. Almost strategically important product. And they do not trust Russia. And only the benefit allows them, gritting their teeth, to buy our products. The capitalists ....
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 28 August 2013 17: 29 New
          0
          Quote: Wedmak
          Will appear. I have no doubt.

          When the Druzhba oil pipeline was being built, they abandoned American pipes and equipment, the result was that they earned themselves a headache and they refused everything from the Japanese. Why step on the rake again, who will provide our plant with orders?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 42 New
            0
            When the Druzhba oil pipeline was built, they abandoned the American pipes and equipment, the result was that they earned themselves a headache

            I don’t know anything about this.
            1. grafrozow
              grafrozow 28 August 2013 17: 58 New
              0
              Quote: Wedmak
              I don’t know anything about this.

              The Americans boycotted the Olympics-80, they decided to us ... b. Now in Gazprom, 90% of the equipment is imported.
    7. Mitek
      Mitek 28 August 2013 19: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      I completely approve. We can do without their green candy wrappers. And they will have big problems ... But nefig was.

      On the contrary, it is necessary to put .. More and in running order. But alas ..
    8. Civil
      Civil 28 August 2013 20: 41 New
      0
      late, everyone has already copied
    9. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 28 August 2013 21: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      We can do without their green candy wrappers

      is that you tell Energomash, who survived thanks to the sale of engines of the Soviet assembly. Will the state order so much or cover the cost?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 29 August 2013 07: 30 New
        0
        Let's still separate the "survived" and the present?
    10. Van
      Van 28 August 2013 22: 11 New
      0
      And why exactly after 2015, and not now?
      Or all the same, the thirst for profit prevails over the instinct of self-preservation ...
      As for me, it’s time for us to adopt the methods of our opponents and act by their methods against them ...
      And about American consumer goods, I’ll tell you that it’s time to develop and implement at least the same PCs or Mobile Pipes ourselves, and not be "dependent on them" ...
      1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 29 August 2013 00: 32 New
        0
        I'll tell you why, now you need to show "iron will", and by 15 Syria will no longer be and we will sell as we sold it, Vovin's sidekick put a big bolt on Syria and so on for them the main BABLO,
  2. JackTheRipper
    JackTheRipper 28 August 2013 13: 54 New
    +7
    It is high time that sanctions are introduced against our firms, prohibiting them from supplying any elements, but what are we worse?
  3. il grand casino
    il grand casino 28 August 2013 13: 55 New
    +1
    Das ist good, das ist fiction smile
  4. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 28 August 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    And what else are we delivering RD-180 rocket engines ??? ... The enemy should not use our RD-180 ...
  5. White
    White 28 August 2013 14: 00 New
    -7
    So let's see if Russia is ready to show its strength to an equal rival, or only Ukraine is capable of poisoning. You can still limit the export of titanium then the US aviation industry will generally be bent.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 14: 15 New
      16
      Who about what, and you and Ukraine dragged here? What side did the venal and thieves Ukrainian government stick to, which brought their country to a beggarly state?
      1. White
        White 28 August 2013 15: 29 New
        +3
        OK. Cross out the word Ukraine and read it again.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 45 New
          +1
          Good. It sounds better, more true, and something left is not pulled by the ears.
      2. poquello
        poquello 28 August 2013 20: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: Wedmak
        Who about what, and you and Ukraine dragged here? What side did the venal and thieves Ukrainian government stick to, which brought their country to a beggarly state?


        According to the joint venture, the bulk of the proceeds from the sale of Energomash's products came from the execution of contracts for the export deliveries of RD-180 rocket engines to the USA and RD-171M to Ukraine, as well as from the performance of research and development work, including creation of the RD-191 rocket engine for a new family of Russian carrier rockets "Angara".

        The audit showed that in 2008-2009. the company's activities were unprofitable, with the bulk of the loss being the work on the implementation of the RD-180 and RD-171M.

        Read full article: http://top.rbc.ru/society/11/05/2011/590218.shtml
  6. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 28 August 2013 14: 01 New
    +3
    According to the decision of the US Department of Commerce on March 8, 2013, the Russian company T-Platforms was included in the "List of organizations and individuals acting contrary to US national security and foreign policy interests" (Supplement No. 4 to Part 744). The decision states that the American Bureau of Industry and Security has reason to believe that the activities of T-Platforms are related to the development of computer systems for military purposes and the production of computers for nuclear research (who the hell would have thought).

    In practice, this means that, in accordance with the Export Administration Regulations, from March 8, T-Platforms presume a ban on the export and re-export of processors with a capacity of more than 5 GFlops, as well as any goods and products manufactured in the USA or using American technologies in other countries of the world. To export or re-export T-Platforms are required to obtain licenses from the Bureau of Industry and Security.

    These are the pies, and something I have not heard so that the Kremlyovskiy leadership farted against it.
    1. Basileus
      Basileus 28 August 2013 15: 24 New
      0
      At first I thought that they had acted stupidly, but after I read the wording I immediately remembered this news.
  7. Russ69
    Russ69 28 August 2013 14: 02 New
    +4
    The situation is of course twofold. Nefig help amers, and on the other hand, the plant only on these orders at the time survived.
    Apparently nothing else remains ...
    1. Very old
      Very old 28 August 2013 14: 12 New
      +2
      And if it's an ordinary dip. trading game?
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 28 August 2013 14: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      The situation is of course twofold. Nefig help amers, and on the other hand, the plant only on these orders at the time survived.

      Production will be curtailed and that’s all, the business is that, but the Americans will wither away, do not hesitate Aerojet Rocketdyne, otherwise you already forgot how to do LRE ...
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach 28 August 2013 14: 47 New
        +5
        In early 1996, the design of the RD-180 engine NPO Energomash was recognized as the winner of the competition for the development and supply of the first stage engine for the upgraded Atlas launch vehicle of the American company Lockheed Martin. This is a two-chamber engine with afterburning of oxidizing generator gas, with thrust vector control due to the swing of each chamber in two planes, with the possibility of providing deep throttle of the engine thrust in flight. This design is based on well-tested designs of components and components of the RD-170/171 engines. The creation of a powerful engine of the first stage was carried out in a short time, and development - on a small amount of material. Having signed the contract for the development of the engine in the summer of 1996, already in November 1996 the first fire test of the prototype engine was carried out, and in April 1997 - the fire test of the standard engine. In 1997-1998, a series of fire tests of the engine as part of the launch vehicle stage in the USA was successfully carried out. In the spring of 1999, certification of the engine for use in the Atlas 3 LV was completed. The first launch of the Atlas 3 launch vehicle with the RD-180 engine took place in May 2000. In the summer of 2001, certification of the engine for use in the Atlas 5 launch vehicle was completed. The first flight of the Atlas 5 LV with the RD-180 engine took place in August 2002.


        http://www.npoenergomash.ru/engines/rd180/rd180_5.html

        Russian intelligence, for a specific order. In this particular case -
        appointment
        For the first stage
        LV "Atlas III" and "Atlas V"
        Lockheed Martin (USA)
        http://www.npoenergomash.ru/engines/rd180/rd180_5.html

        This engine is not intended for anything else. To do it under other systems = do otherwise on the basis of RD 170. This already exists. RD190 is called.
        That is: the Internet Eneryaly offer, voluntarily, with a sense of accomplishment, being in their right mind and sober memory to send to the UK a promising development together with the customer, which no one else Do you need a market?

        In the best traditions of Odessa:
        "I won’t eat it yet, will I bite?"
        At least in Russian it is more accurate: "I will frostbite my mother's ears."
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 03 New
          +1
          Internet Eneryaly offer, voluntarily, with a sense of accomplishment, being in their right mind and sober memory to send to the UK a promising development together with a customer that no one else needs on the market?

          This is a purely political issue. The USA spoils the whole world, not forgetting Russia, and we rivet them engines. On the one hand, it’s good, we earn money and enter their engine building into a stupor. But you need to know the honor. Our customers spit on us, shaking bundles of green candy wrappers, they say you will work for us anyway, and we will print more greens.
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 28 August 2013 15: 21 New
            0
            This engine is not exported by hundreds. This is in total - dozens of Atlas III launches, various variations and even less Atlas-5. Despite the fact that one engine costs about a dozen of wrappers, these are SINGLE deliveries. That is, as a measure of economic pressure - "sneeze and bunch". The one who will lose from the termination of the contract is NPO Energomash named after academician V.P. Glushko.
            What is the political question? From the principle of putting sticks in the wheels of development of a RUSSIAN NGO? AAA Awesome visionary action!
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 56 New
              0
              This engine is not exported by hundreds.

              Not hundreds. But each NOT launch of the Atlas with the prototype of a new military shuttle is a brake on the development program of American weapons.
              Despite the fact that one engine is worth a dozen lyamits of candy wrappers - these are ONE deliveries.

              We will not supply a dozen US engines, we will supply a dozen for the Hangar. By the way, it will be required soon.
              From the principle of putting sticks in the wheels of development of a RUSSIAN NGO?

              Not. Out of principle, do not arm your enemy.
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 28 August 2013 17: 41 New
                0
                NOT ON EACH Atlas of dual-use. But we use their companions.
                We will not supply a dozen US engines, we will supply a dozen for the Hangar.
                By the way, it will be required soon.

                Very superficial judgment. This is a piece of goods. They will build more for the Angara when they order more. And this will not affect the availability / refusal of the Amers order. It is not massive, but profitable. Especially in the second half of the 90s, when it took place. When it was possible to save and increase due to the adversary. It is more realistic to look at events.

                Not. Out of principle, do not arm your enemy.

                While it is more profitable to use GPS, along with "GLONAS, which is experiencing growth problems". This is our economic development too. In a sense: "Amers are arming Russia."
      2. military
        military 28 August 2013 15: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Nayhas
        Production curtailed and that's it, business then, but the Americans will wipe off ...

        Oh, how simple it is! ... belay
        ... the portfolio of orders will be blown away, the salary will collapse, the specialists will scatter (you cannot feed your family with patriotism) and after a few years we will ourselves so "wake up" that mom does not cry ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 57 New
          +1
          Is it right that everything will collapse from these unfortunate couple of tens of millions? Do not tell, huh? The plant (Samara, as far as I remember?) Not only produces RD-180, but also many other products.
          1. military
            military 28 August 2013 16: 20 New
            +1
            not bad, nevertheless, take into account that NPO Energomash is primarily a developer of RD (+ pilot production), and only in the second is a serial manufacturer ... by the decision of Roscosmos they have already chopped off RD-191 for the promising Angara and the leadership of the NGO did not express enthusiasm about this situation ... now the prospect of losing exports looms (474 ​​million rubles for each engine) and this also does not add optimism to them ... too many design organizations were blown away just like that ... hi
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 August 2013 16: 32 New
              +1
              So if it the first place developer, it turns out that they also have state. is there funding? And the delivery of RD-180, is it a kind of coven?
              1. military
                military 28 August 2013 16: 43 New
                +2
                in such a "shabashka" everything depends on the structure of the portfolio of orders ... and what is "government funding" - I suppose it's not for me to tell you ... request
                my company, in particular, is also involved in providing the state defense order ... for two years we supply prototypes to "anti-missile forces" ... and for two years we do not receive a ruble for them ... pure altruism of the general director ... if not for consumer goods - would long ago already dead ...
            2. grafrozow
              grafrozow 28 August 2013 17: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: military
              now the prospect of losing exports (474 ​​million rubles for each dviglo) looms and this also does not add optimism to them ... too many design organizations were blown away just like that ..
              Plus a penalty for breach of contract.
    3. Hitrovan07
      Hitrovan07 28 August 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Why, let them work for a "warehouse" - time will pass (hardly more than a year) and they will sell more expensively (the USA has no choice wink ).
    4. Suhov
      Suhov 28 August 2013 16: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: Russ69
      The situation is of course twofold. Nefig help amers, and on the other hand, the plant only on these orders at the time survived.
      Apparently nothing else remains ...

      Nothing that face - stuffed,
      But all the crystal is shattered ...
  8. valodavoodoo
    valodavoodoo 28 August 2013 14: 04 New
    +5
    From the beginning, they need to find application for themselves in Russia, otherwise we’ll ruin both production and the latter’s specialists.
  9. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 28 August 2013 14: 04 New
    +2
    Of course, I also approve. But what will happen to the factory that produces them? The main thing here because of politics is not to ditch one of the few high-tech industries.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      But what will happen to the factory that produces them?

      And he not only produces these engines. Actually, as far as I heard, RD-180 are not produced very quickly, and in small batches.
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 28 August 2013 14: 25 New
        +3
        The executive director of NPO Energomash Vladimir Solntsev believes that the decision to abandon the export of RD-180 will adversely affect the work of the enterprise. The RSC Energia (which is the managing company of NPO Energomash) also opposes the cessation of the export of rocket engines to the USA
        http://www.armstrade.org/includes/periodics/news/2013/0827/100519960/detail.shtm
        l? utm_campaign = etabak.kz
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 28 August 2013 14: 34 New
          +2
          Hucksters, only money in the eyes. And the fact that on these engines space systems directly crap out to us and the whole world into space is trivial.
          1. military
            military 28 August 2013 16: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: Wedmak
            Hucksters, only money in the eyes. And the fact that on these engines space systems directly crap out to us and the whole world into space is trivial.

            With this money, among other things, hard workers feed their families ...
            I don’t think that you would be delighted if you worked at an export-oriented enterprise and one fine day the state (regardless of motive) would have collapsed his portfolio of orders ... without offering anything in return ...
            statesmen, * la ... let them first load the enterprise head over heels with internal orders, and then they voice their "answers to Chamberlain" ...
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 August 2013 16: 11 New
              0
              offering nothing in return ...

              Who told you they won’t offer anything in return?
              let them first load the enterprise up to their ears with internal orders, and then voice their "answers to Chamberlain" ..

              Those. do you think we have to wait until we can load the enterprise, and then send our "friends"? And if these friends, during this time, make it impossible to load the enterprise? What will you say then?
              I repeat again. These engines are not at all the main production. Mainly work in the domestic market.
              1. military
                military 28 August 2013 17: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Wedmak

                Those. do you think we have to wait until we can load the enterprise, and then send our "friends"?

                the main thing is not to flatter yourself and not try to grab luck for the "Faberge" ... repeat and not clenching a fist for joy ... you should always look around and understand if you are squeezing your own Fabergés ... hi
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 11 New
                  0
                  you should always look around and understand if you are squeezing your own "Fabergés" ...

                  I do not argue. smile
            2. Suhov
              Suhov 28 August 2013 16: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: military
              statesmen, * la ...
              let first load enterprise by the ears with internal orders,
              and then already voiced his "answers to Chamberlain" ...

              yes
              Money can not be scattered.
              A phrase from the cycle of stories about "noble crooks" by O. Henry came to my mind.
              Here is how he described one of his heroes:
              "He perceived the dollar in someone else's pocket as a personal insult..."
        2. edge
          edge 28 August 2013 14: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: ankh-andrej
          Vladimir Solntsev believes that the decision to abandon the export of RD-180 will adversely affect the work of the enterprise

          but it will positively affect the speed of destruction of our satellite grouping, and the delivery of elements of a preventive attack by the Americans in space .... we cut the bitches on which we sit. We give the enemy a means of attack, let them make the engines hi
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach 28 August 2013 15: 42 New
            -1
            Yes, nonsense is good to flog - it hurts.
            You are still on the blue eye try to assert that the supply of Izhmash to the civilian arms market in the United States must be stopped, because "WE" thereby arm the foe. (abstract "we", neither me nor you directly benefit from this, except for tax deductions from Izhmash)
            Here are the same Faberge - side view.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 50 New
              +1
              that Izhmash supplies to the US civilian arms market

              Um .. how would I tell you. You really do not compare a hedgehog and a snake. Civil weapons and rocket engines. The latter have always been an indicator of the country's power and the most carefully guarded state secret. And the fact that the United States uses our engines for its heavy missiles is not good for the United States. So not only do they use, they also use them in developing weapons against us! Striking arrogance.
              And Kalash (no offense to this beautiful weapon) can now be milled by any milling machine operator in two days. Not the fact that it will be a quality product, but it is.
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach 28 August 2013 17: 29 New
                0
                So not only do they use, they also use them in developing weapons against us! Striking arrogance.

                well .... with the same success you can refuse from GPS navigation because the basis is the fascinating military clique. And from social networks and from PCs as a phenomenon. For Julian Assange and Bradley Manning will explain to us what the "Polichenelle secret" is and how "they" follow us.
                But seriously, the total launch of American missiles with the Russian dvigl is not so massive that it would be argued that they are only launching dual-purpose spacecraft into orbit.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 44 New
                  +1
                  But seriously, the total launch of American missiles with the Russian dvigl is not so massive that it would be argued that they are only launching dual-purpose spacecraft into orbit.

                  Well, that is a given. I got excited. Yet more because of the arrogance of the United States over Syria. I'd like to give them a headache. Yes longer to hurt.
                  1. dmitreach
                    dmitreach 28 August 2013 19: 07 New
                    0
                    due to US arrogance over
                    and for no reason, I want to arrange a dark one for them.
                    Just for prevention.
                    And the impression is that there, at the head of the whole state, there are rare, written out from the book of rare species - I.D.O.T.y., judging the rest of the world by their own flawed mind.
                  2. grafrozow
                    grafrozow 28 August 2013 19: 07 New
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    I'd like to give them a headache. Yes longer to hurt.

                    This is understandable, but the truth is more expensive. I looked in your profile, congratulations on the anniversary! love drinks
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 29 August 2013 07: 32 New
                      0
                      Thanks! He didn’t even look. drinks
  10. an_ursus
    an_ursus 28 August 2013 14: 14 New
    0
    It's time, oh oh .....
  11. Ivan79
    Ivan79 28 August 2013 14: 34 New
    +1
    If this happens, I will mark it as a great holiday! fellow
  12. Lantau
    Lantau 28 August 2013 14: 39 New
    0
    It is high time!!!
  13. Krsk
    Krsk 28 August 2013 14: 43 New
    +3
    Not only that, we can not just do it, we are obliged to do this, and indeed the fact that such an agreement was concluded, to put it mildly, was a mistake.
  14. Siberian
    Siberian 28 August 2013 14: 48 New
    +2
    Russia may stop the supply of rocket engines in the US
    Really ours decided to slightly avert amers. After all, those engines that our spanked, they never learned to do. (It’s even strange why this superpower didn’t even technologically at least repeat our engines?)
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 04 New
      0
      It’s even strange why this superpower didn’t even technologically at least repeat our engines?

      Money spared and time for development.
  15. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 August 2013 14: 50 New
    +2
    Stop the big mind is not necessary .. First find other buyers, or we have an application .. After all, the enterprise will rise (we’ll only do worse for ourselves)
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 15: 58 New
      -1
      Will not crash. The maximum will lose the bonus.
  16. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 28 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +1
    It is surprising how such a thing became possible at all.
    Sold everything ... Do you need money? So there are other options - revive the industry, raise agricultural ...
    Do we have chocolate aviation? Are we selling surplus?
    Why do our aircraft carriers cruisers fly under foreign flags? Also sold ... From overproduction, probably?
    A rocket engines all the warehouses are littered ...
    Why not sell the piece? Yes to whom? To a potential adversary ...
    Is it in whose bright head this is ripe?
    Previously, they put it against the wall without talking ...
    Mind Russia is not exactly understand ...
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 28 August 2013 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Samsebenum
      It is surprising how such a thing became possible at all.

      Welcome.
      Here I am about the same, above.
      Initially - WHO did you decide? With current leadership, the question is the next, is considered laughing rhetorical?

      K T O ??
  17. WIN969
    WIN969 28 August 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    In 2015? In the event of a NATO attack on Syria, sanctions must be immediate, and the supply contracts must be terminated this year.
  18. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 August 2013 14: 53 New
    +3
    Russian industry is actually promoting the development of space technologies for its most likely enemy in the future. At the same time, America saves enormous funds for the development and production of rocket engines. At the same time, the United States is doing its best to prevent the penetration of American advanced technologies into Russia. It turns out that "cooperation" between Russia and the United States in the space field is a one-way street. We need to stop this vicious practice.
  19. andrei332809
    andrei332809 28 August 2013 15: 02 New
    +1
    for a long time, the consequences of perestroika and democratization will come back to us. how many more traps are laid
  20. Naval
    Naval 28 August 2013 15: 10 New
    +3
    My uncle is the most honest rules,
    When not a joke fell ill,
    He respected himself forced
    And he could not have invented it better.

    The first swallow was Snowden, it looks like this is the second swallow. Russia's steady desire to respect itself has been outlined.
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 29 August 2013 04: 22 New
      0
      A little off-top ... smile
      The knowledge of the classics of Russian literature is, of course, great ... But ...
      At the time when the great Pushkin wrote these lines, the meaning of the words "He forced himself to respect" was that the person died. For the deceased is either good or nothing.
      Therefore ... It is better not to use this specific quote in relation to Russia. It's too early. Oh, how early. wink hi
      Something like that ... Well, this is my personal opinion.
  21. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 28 August 2013 15: 16 New
    +2
    Only 1 question, why since 2015? Why not tomorrow? Why would they even help create advanced weapons?
    1. military
      military 28 August 2013 16: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: tilovaykrisa
      Only 1 question, why since 2015? Why not tomorrow?

      because before 2015 a lot of water will flow away, passions will settle down, the cone will resolve ... wink
  22. serjant4
    serjant4 28 August 2013 15: 25 New
    +2
    Therefore, now the question is about stopping the supply of RD-180 to Americans after 2015, ”a source in Roscosmos told the newspaper

    And why only after 2015 ??? Impossible to block immediately?
  23. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 28 August 2013 15: 43 New
    0
    Looks like the contracts have been signed ... although with respect to the Amrikos ... looking like them, lately, they are very very brazen ... terminate ...
  24. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 28 August 2013 16: 10 New
    +3
    It was necessary to foresee such a situation in the contracts and stop deliveries immediately. Couple, we were very dispersed with deliveries to anybody. We need to make sure that these engines self-destruct on command from Russia.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 29 August 2013 11: 06 New
      0
      Quote: x.andvlad
      We need to make sure that these engines self-destruct on command from Russia.

      Better deployed on command towards departure
  25. AK-47
    AK-47 28 August 2013 16: 12 New
    0
    In spite of my mother frostbitten ears.
  26. me
    me 28 August 2013 16: 28 New
    0
    By 2015, there will be nothing left from Iran. Cheap window dressing, not sanctions. If we introduce it immediately after the invasion of the United States and Ko into Syria.
  27. pahom54
    pahom54 28 August 2013 16: 28 New
    +1
    Well, how !!! They (amers) in their projects are already attached to our engines, moreover, I note - more or less reliable. They didn’t buy them from a good life, which means that at that time their reliable engines were not there. With this, our plant was allowed to survive, but now it has been put in some position. After all, firstly, ours gave an adequate answer to their limitations and all sorts of extortion, and secondly, they put them in a difficult position. To paraphrase the proverb about Russians and Germans, I can only say one thing: that the United States is bad - I am in joy !!!
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 28 August 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      How so nebylo, and on what they "flew" to us the moon, apparently on a fart pair!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 18 New
        -1
        Well, clearly, they drowned with firewood. At the same time and basked. What are you asking stupid questions? wink
        1. Djozz
          Djozz 28 August 2013 17: 37 New
          +1
          So I mean that they weren’t on the moon!
  28. rugor
    rugor 28 August 2013 16: 41 New
    0
    !!! Why will we stop deliveries in 2015? !! Che not tomorrow ???
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 28 August 2013 17: 09 New
      +1
      Because there is such a thing as a contract (signed by both parties) .And private companies, not US government structures, have signed with us. There is a big difference between them and our defense industry. We have all the developments financed by the state, and they the manufacturer is pulling all the financial burden, and the state only chooses from the manufacturing companies what it needs (state-wu). Winning, all costs will be paid off many times (by order), lost, your problems, no one will compensate .From this, by the way, the level of corruption in our military-industrial complex (as much as we ask, they will give as much)
  29. Vtel
    Vtel 28 August 2013 16: 43 New
    +1
    This is some kind of dance with a tambourine. We produce sophisticated rocket engines and give them to the Yankees, so that later they can buy Bush's carcasses for food for their green papers, but they are not doing it, because as Podpandopulo said - take it, I'll print it for myself, get modernization of their Atlases, then that is, defensive and offensive power. Excuse one call to Comrade Stalin - "... I'll show you the 37th year."
  30. Djozz
    Djozz 28 August 2013 17: 07 New
    0
    Right now, the amers will find the "lost" technologies for producing engines for Saturn, and it will become clear that they were not on the Moon! Therefore, these engines did not exist in nature!
  31. rudolff
    rudolff 28 August 2013 17: 16 New
    +2
    But it is curious if we would ask Americans to sell us engines from some Atlas, Saturn or booster Shuttles? Type for Progress or a new Hangar. How long would their laughter be heard? Or, let’s say, would they be asked to share highly enriched uranium from warheads withdrawn from service ..? good
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 28 August 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      They don’t have engines from Saturn, and they didn’t! Otherwise, they would simply reduce the power of the engine to be thrown into low-earth orbit.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 31 New
      +1
      They would pump out half of our oil and gas in response. 3 / 4 deposits would be their property. Something like that.
      But they do not care about these engines and this uranium sideways came out. Somehow, the Russians weren’t here ... deceived. Now they are slowed down by the development of rocket engine manufacturing, and there is practically no industry for creating nuclear fuel.
      Arrived ....
  32. VkadimirEfimov1942
    VkadimirEfimov1942 28 August 2013 17: 20 New
    0
    <<Manufacturers of Russian rocket engines RD-180 may stop supplying products to the United States.>>

    Long overdue!
  33. mirag2
    mirag2 28 August 2013 17: 33 New
    -3
    Yes, I don’t understand what kind of people you’ll live without money? Eat expired products from the market, bloated canned food? Or humanitarian aid, like in the 91st? There is no money from the state now! Therefore, they’re cutting the whole social network, and the MiGs35 therefore don’t order! Do you not understand something? Then what are you doing here, you are messing up people’s brains, go to the heap of sunflower seeds to husk, and stupid there.
    You don’t even understand why you’re happy. D-r-ak doesn’t understand a damn thing, he grimaces at himself ...
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 17: 46 New
      0
      Those. because of some engines, will we live without money?
      The state does not have money now! Therefore, they cut the entire social program, and therefore they do not order MiGs35! Do you not understand this?

      You would first look at the state of the state, and then shouted about pronounced polymers ... Each time, the same thing. As children.
  34. mirag2
    mirag2 28 August 2013 17: 37 New
    +1
    Enemies are not enemies, they pay money, and they just won't pay, how many copies they have in the Senate broke down over the sale of our helicopters to Afghanistan. But the technology for the production of 90nm processors (ancient, like the shit of a mammoth) was barely bought from them - now there is an opportunity for us to make missiles "missile defense killers" - and without this it would not work. The rocket brains are on these 90nm chips. - "... we don’t need money ..."
  35. mirag2
    mirag2 28 August 2013 17: 39 New
    +1
    What is the word "fool-ak" in the black list of the "Chinese firewall"?
  36. Krilion
    Krilion 28 August 2013 18: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    I completely approve. We can do without their green candy wrappers. And they will have big problems ... But nefig was.


    we have, as always, half measures ... even if they stop, then after 2015, and there either the donkey will die, or the padish ...

    If the suppliers were Americans, they would have long ago canceled the contract, or used it at every opportunity to twist their hands for any reason ... now, because of the situation with Syria and the role of the American side in it, it's time to break the contract under loud statements about that the supply of any military-friendly components poses a threat to all of humanity ...
  37. 123tank
    123tank 28 August 2013 19: 16 New
    +1
    Interesting "news". Was it not known before? Didn't know against whom all this could be directed? Are we really that stupid?
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 August 2013 21: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: 123tank
      Are we so stupid?

      we are not, and the authorities are ... they have official property in the country, and personal property abroad ...
  38. sashka
    sashka 28 August 2013 19: 39 New
    +1
    Previously, no one knew .. But suddenly it came to pass .. If in twenty years have come to such a simple thought, how long it takes to get to the understanding of the "complex" .. I think the brain needs to be changed along with the head ..
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 28 August 2013 21: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha
      I think the brains should be changed with the head ..

      I'm afraid this is not enough. It is necessary to change the soil, where these heads grow.
  39. lobik
    lobik 28 August 2013 20: 26 New
    0
    Russia can, Russia will do it. Maybe by the age of 15 we won’t sell it. I'm tired of listening to it for 20 years. You do it first, and then you get a homony. There’s some kind of dirty Lithuania again betraying a Russian citizen to Amers. Why are you showing this? if you G ... and behave like G .... Sorry pent.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 28 August 2013 21: 22 New
      0
      I agree. They will do it, or they are only going to do it, for a penny, but they will solve it for a million. But it quickly turns out with Belarus. We didn’t have time to cover our potassium fat cat there, as soon as the Foreign Ministry was harnessed, both the media and the heavy sanitary artillery in the form of Onishchenki were pulled up. Solve the quiet problem, if allies. But no, rushed ***** over the bumps.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 28 August 2013 22: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: Karabin
        But it quickly turns out with Belarus. We didn’t have time to cover our potty fat cat there, as soon as the Foreign Ministry was harnessed, both the media and the heavy sanitary artillery in the form of Onishchenko pulled up
        They also limited the supply of oil.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 28 August 2013 22: 53 New
          0
          And what's the story with Potassium? Who did Old Man close? I just don’t know
  40. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 28 August 2013 20: 32 New
    +1
    It’s possible to give strategic equipment to enemies for supposedly good attitude and supposedly. Penkovsky was shot for less damage. But they use our engines against us, this is another point of charge for the future trial of liberal traitors!
  41. albert
    albert 28 August 2013 21: 27 New
    0
    It’s high time. They don’t have such developments, so let them harness horses for flights into space, with ... any cowboys.
  42. Zomanus
    Zomanus 28 August 2013 23: 40 New
    0
    It seems that this is the only way Russia can answer America for its shoals. On the one hand, it seems like they saved their face, on the other, in the case of American aggression against Syria, it looks like a petty spit on the back. Really, it’s shitty that we are not aggressors.
  43. konvalval
    konvalval 28 August 2013 23: 54 New
    0
    Discontinue supplies immediately, and not in the 15th year.
  44. s.cot
    s.cot 29 August 2013 07: 13 New
    0
    Here's a fucked up taxi, you bastard.
  45. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 29 August 2013 08: 09 New
    0
    They violated everything from tagged, red to EBN, and when they will be called to account or wait for their peaceful extinction. (Moreover, we will put the monuments)
  46. Patush
    Patush 29 August 2013 09: 39 New
    0
    It's time to present all the bills for payment.
  47. Novoyur
    Novoyur 29 August 2013 11: 12 New
    +1
    And so they sell their homeland, albeit on a plausible pretext, to feed their workers and their families. All the traitors hid behind such words, they say he was afraid for his family, he had to feed. The Americans, too, fooled us here, and in the cheapest way, by buying a ready-made engine, they solved the problem of creating this rocket. Now, probably, our cessation of deliveries will not be a problem for them, for sure they have already created their analogue of such an engine, taking ours as a basis. And for the sake of money, we are selling our secrets our intellectual property for the benefit and joy of our enemy.
  48. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 29 August 2013 13: 56 New
    +1
    And who ever thought of selling these engines? Get fucked up and don't get up! Generally without a tower.
  49. Dmitry Toderes
    Dmitry Toderes 30 August 2013 01: 29 New
    +1
    Why are they buying rocket engines from us !!! ??? And still we are being poured with mud - a backward country, barbarians and so on. In general, there are no words.