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Baumanka developed the concept of a new generation battle tank

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Chief Designer of the Scientific and Production Center for Special Engineering (SPC SP) MSTU. Bauman Sergey Popov said at the air show MAKS-2013 that the institute has developed the concept of the main combat tank (MBT) new generation.


“We know how to make a promising tank, which will have a qualitative leap in all combat characteristics. We have such a study, ”said Popov.

“It will be a completely new design that has nothing to do with the existing one,” he noted, without specifying the distinctive features of the promising MBT concept of the MSTU Bauman, ITAR-TASS.

According to the chief designer, the program of the promising heavy fourth-generation tracked platform “Armata” developed by the Uralvagonzavod, currently “being a meaningless exercise”, is being implemented in Russia.

It will provide only the 10-percent increase in the combat effectiveness of the Russian military-armed forces in service with the Russian army, while demanding enormous costs for a complete change of the whole armament system, supplies, training, etc.

“The game is not worth the candle,” emphasized Popov. - The whole structure is broken, and this is justified only if a qualitative leap is achieved. In Baumanka they know how to do this on the basis of breakthrough technical solutions. ”

At the beginning of the 2012 of the year, it was announced that the Uralvagonzavod would create the first prototype of the Armata tank by the year of 2013.

It was assumed that the tank would have a gun with a remote (uninhabited tower), fully digital control, which the crew would operate from an isolated armored capsule.

The tank will be able to keep entering any type of modern and promising weapons. According to the plans of Uralvagonzavod, tank shipments to the troops can begin in 2015.

On the basis of the unified heavy platform "Armata" it is planned to create a main tank, an infantry combat vehicle, a heavy armored personnel carrier, a battle tank support vehicle, an armored repair and recovery vehicle, chassis for self-propelled artillery installations and other types of ground combat armored vehicles.
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  1. Pit
    Pit 28 August 2013 13: 24 New
    +9
    “It will be a completely new design that has nothing to do with the existing one”

    "Armata" developed by "Uralvagonzavod" is "a deliberately meaningless occupation."

    Someone in the forest, some for firewood.
    And it’s not the fate of the customer to develop specific requirements, but let the manufacturers try to fulfill them, otherwise it turns out that some mold one, others another, each sandpiper praises its swamp and doesn’t change anything, only money for (cutting) new developments is allocated.
    1. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 28 August 2013 13: 26 New
      +4
      Well, go ahead.
      I agree. What did not make their proposals in the formation of requirements for Armata?
      1. Pit
        Pit 28 August 2013 13: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Hauptmann Emil
        What did not make their suggestions

        So I’m not a customer of this product, I’m an air huckster. And when I need something from my suppliers, I specifically explain to them what I want to get from them and if it doesn’t come, then they did it at their own expense and for themselves, and when they squint and think that they’re right, then I changing suppliers. It would be nice if our MO also refers to suppliers, as the latter, these are actually hour offices and profit is important for them with less effort.
        1. Hauptmann emil
          Hauptmann emil 28 August 2013 14: 57 New
          +1
          I probably did not write it correctly. I did not mean you, but the Moscow State Technical University. Simply replied to your comment "I agree ...".
          Those. meant that when they talked about the assignment for the development of "Armata" why they were silent and did not announce their developments / projects. Also, those who gave the assignment for the development had to first announce the competition "concept development .....". Or MSTU just woke up, and the train left. Or they had an inspiration. And then, and others at the wrong time.
        2. DEfindER
          DEfindER 28 August 2013 17: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Pit
          It would be nice if our MO also refers to suppliers, as the latter, these are actually hour offices and profit is important for them with less effort.

          Unfortunately you are right, loot often wins common sense, and leads to savings on reliability and quality of parts .. Amers have constant scandals with the installation of Chinese parts on the latest fighters, I hope we have not everything so bad ..
      2. Vlad 1965
        Vlad 1965 28 August 2013 16: 01 New
        +1
        And who actually saw what was presented to that armature? My friend, who served in the NBTS army, looked at that heap of iron that they dragged for inspection to Arzamas, as if not delighted with this iron.
      3. ed65b
        ed65b 28 August 2013 20: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Hauptmann Emil
        Well, go ahead.
        I agree. What did not make their proposals in the formation of requirements for Armata?

        Exactly, with a language to grind not to carry bricks, I would take and do, even a tiny one. Although I painted on a piece of paper and the characteristics that he sees in the breakthrough MBT.
    2. buzuke
      buzuke 28 August 2013 14: 50 New
      +5
      generals often prepare for past wars. if scientists have a new paradigm, it is necessary to convey it to the military and political leadership. and let them consider the prospects and possibilities of its implementation
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  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 28 August 2013 13: 25 New
    +3
    It sounds beautiful in words, but how exactly does it all look.
    1. avt
      avt 28 August 2013 17: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      It sounds beautiful in words, but how exactly does it all look.

      No way. MVTU is an educational institution, not a design bureau, well, the guys do the projects during the training, the teachers do laboratory work for the degree and for the soul. It’s necessary to take such information more calmly, naturally carefully. I think so far this is an attempt to jump out of the university into adulthood bypassing a couple of steps, although it is better to go through the steps as soon as possible. Well, the new-fangled iPhone requirement is fulfilled - the science is supposed to be like in America in universities.
      1. PSih2097
        PSih2097 28 August 2013 20: 23 New
        +1
        But after all, for ships and ships for the Navy in competitive projects did, why not tanks and other equipment?
        1. bask
          bask 28 August 2013 20: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: PSih2097
          ships and ships for the Navy in competitive projects did, why not tanks and other equipment?

          Corruption and kickbacks are all hi
          Baumanka developed the concept of a new generation battle tank

          They did not develop the tank. And only the concept of the tank. Not for professionals, MBT is not possible to develop. Bauman can still calculate and develop new armor and DZ.
          And most importantly, several design bureaus, for the development of competitively based MBTs. As was the case with the USSR. But at least 2.
        2. Cynic
          Cynic 29 August 2013 18: 38 New
          0
          Quote: PSih2097
          why not tanks

          What is another tank design bureau, please.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 August 2013 13: 28 New
    +1
    “This will be a completely new design that has nothing to do with the existing one,” he said, without specifying the hallmarks of the promising MBT concept of MSTU. Bauman
    Again mysteries and innuendo as with "Armata" ??? .. they are bullied
  5. Regis
    Regis 28 August 2013 13: 29 New
    +3
    And then Ostap suffered.

    Now, if you read the opinions of all "experts", it turns out that the stupid governments of stupid developed countries are doing nothing but promoting deliberately flawed projects instead of advanced and lacking analogues in the world. Moreover, this happens in all countries, both in Russia and in the United States.
  6. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 August 2013 13: 31 New
    11
    Yes, prove that this tank is cooler than the "Armata", show it in hardware, and if so, I think everyone will applaud you standing up. In the meantime - only some incomprehensible "kusalovo" with Uralvagonzavod for the sovereign's money.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 28 August 2013 13: 34 New
      +9
      I am joining. Worked - show at least a prototype. And if it will be fundamentally different from the same Almaty - the flag in your hands! And I can talk with my tongue ... and for good money also in verse.
      1. Pharao7766
        Pharao7766 28 August 2013 13: 39 New
        +2
        I agree.
        Well, or as an option - combine, so to speak, efforts with UVZ once they are so smart and make a real model.
  7. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 28 August 2013 13: 37 New
    +2
    it’s time to put at least some in a series. and then the operating time before the fig and the army does not enter
  8. Normal
    Normal 28 August 2013 13: 39 New
    +4

    According to the chief designer, the program of the promising heavy fourth-generation tracked platform “Armata” developed by the Uralvagonzavod, currently “being a meaningless exercise”, is being implemented in Russia.

    Begins. Instead of producing at least something new, it is proposed to reinvent a breakthrough design "unparalleled", and we will fight on the T-72, which will soon be half a century old. T-90 is not good for us - we will sell India. "Armata" will provide "only 10%" of an increase in combat effectiveness (it seemed to some little). But the new concept .... as a result, we will again get the "T-64", we will suffer with a breakthrough design for ten years and will be forced to release the "T-72" again, easier and more reliable. We will lose time, and the groundwork for Armata. Someone really wants it ...
  9. ataker_pra
    ataker_pra 28 August 2013 13: 41 New
    0
    According to Uralvagonzavod’s plans, tank deliveries to troops may begin in 2015.

    Americans will not wait for the 15th year, they may break up earlier. It is hoped that from the 15th year there will be serial deliveries of Armata. Well, I think the main battle tank should be expected after 2020. While finalizing, while creating prototypes, there is still time for testing ... But all the same, the good news.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 28 August 2013 22: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: ataker_pra
      Americans will not wait for the 15th year, they may break up earlier.

      Right on the Abrams and straight across the Pacific Ocean, or the Atlantic?
  10. Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 28 August 2013 13: 43 New
    +1
    “We know how to make a promising tank, which will have a qualitative leap in all combat characteristics. We have such a study, ”said Popov.

    “It will be a completely new design that has nothing to do with the existing one,” he noted, without specifying the distinctive features of the promising MBT concept of the MSTU Bauman, ITAR-TASS.

    Hmm, interesting statement, loud. This is what happens - there will be no tracks and track rollers, no guns, no hull in its current form ...
    To listen to such specialists, it will turn out NOBT - Unidentified MBT ...
    So that it doesn’t work out like in a joke:
    those who know how to manage the state are already engaged in other jobs ...
  11. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 28 August 2013 13: 44 New
    13
    Sorry, comrades do not come to mind anymore, after the words of the constructor)
    What kind of breakthrough technologies, on what platform, how can you evaluate a knowingly "armature" to evaluate only 10% better without ever seeing it?
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 28 August 2013 16: 04 New
      +1
      Oh, for sure, something like that came to mind. Although I have already said above, the pros, as they do not really appreciate that Armata, it is possible that no one saw her in action, and if they did not really see it, they form an opinion about its effectiveness against the same 72 or 90 so far does not work?
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 August 2013 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: kirieeleyson
      Sorry, comrades do not come to mind anymore, after the words of the constructor)

      this tank (C&C):


      or this (SW):

      and an aircraft carrier like this:

      And it’s not bad to develop a station like this one (the Americans have refused) ...
      1. Egen
        Egen 29 August 2013 05: 26 New
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        this tank (C&C):

        No, there was such a tank "mammoth", it was repaired along the way. Now, if they come up with such a thing, then this is a qualitative leap, such as how to add RAM to overclock the processor :)
    3. Egen
      Egen 29 August 2013 05: 24 New
      0
      Wow! Is this from the movie "Short Circuit" -3? :)
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 29 August 2013 11: 02 New
      +1
      Great device! How did you manage to steal a project from Baumanka ?! laughing
      FSB you are not interested in the issuance of military secrets? what
  12. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 28 August 2013 13: 46 New
    +4
    Well begins! They replaced the Minister of Defense, he introduced some kind of scientific company and these chaos revived! Someone from the effective managers specifically overlooked ... Scientists and engineers are again trying to crawl into the Russian army. Could there be anything more terrible ?! For twenty years they were not allowed to go anywhere, they poisoned, drove, killed (literally) how many, but they all will not quit!
    Do you remember that the same "destroyer 100" was stubbornly shoved before the First World War? And this, how is it ... well, who instead of the correct guns piled some stupid rails on a truck? And they are endless!
    Despite the direct Western destruction, despite the terror, poverty, psychoprocessing, despite the presence of "military science" ... and our wiseacres still have heartache for the Motherland and have not lost their brains. Baumanka is such a place ... their concept will or will not be accepted, these people don’t shake their tongues in vain, the wrong company. We can only hope (or maybe it’s worth praying, I don’t know anything more important than this today) that our management is able to understand what the engineers from Baumanka are telling them. If the current leadership has enough mind (the eternal deficit there, alas), just look and get out ...
    1. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 28 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +2
      It pleases, but why so loudly disavow what the same engineers and developers of that Armata did? I would understand that Baumanka rolled out her sample, in comparison with armature and 90 for example, and after that I would say loudly, ours is better, but so what happens? H managed to see Armata in real life and immediately disavow her potential, why?
      After all, he wrote about this above, what they saw, did not make an impression, but the impression can be deceptive ..
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 28 August 2013 22: 03 New
      0
      Baumanka is study and science, but not as a design. And the "concepts" of supertanks that have no analogues in the world, that in our country, that in general in the world there was a shit, but in fact all the tank-building countries drive vehicles developed in the 70s. So I hope our leadership will have enough wisdom not to make such loud statements.
  13. Stiletto
    Stiletto 28 August 2013 13: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: kirieeleyson
    Sorry, comrades do not come to mind anymore, after the words of the constructor)


    Man, you have a good device in the picture! fellow So I have heard a lot about "Armata" and about other promising tanks, but I have never seen them. And I have never heard of such a miracle, but now - hop, and I see it. I would like to, however - on the contrary.
  14. Basileus
    Basileus 28 August 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    It seems we know who in our new favorites is the Minister of Defense. I especially like the criticism from the university, if I may say so, design bureaus, real designers with their school and experience.
  15. vilenich
    vilenich 28 August 2013 14: 35 New
    +2
    Most likely another "duck". On the topic of Armata, only the lazy is not promoting himself!
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 August 2013 20: 40 New
      0
      Quote: vilenich
      On the topic of Almaty, only the lazy one is not promoting!

      Who is promoting the forum here? remember the history of the T-34 and KV-1 ... minus
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 28 August 2013 22: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: PSih2097
        Who is promoting the forum here?

        What does the forum have to do with it, I expressed my opinion on the article discussed here: nothing concrete was said about my work, only a few slogans and a fair amount of mud in the Tagil people!
        Quote: PSih2097
        remember the history of the T-34 and KV-1 ... minus

        Something of Baumanka in the history of the creation of tanks is somehow not clearly visible and causes great doubt about their ability to create an ultramodern tank from scratch, the release of which could be mastered by modern industry.
  16. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +2
    Who prevents to create at least a technical project? confirm with mathematical calculations. and finally build a prototype. Although, of course, it can be, as suggested above, that this is just an attempt to knock out funds from the budget, to master them and eventually issue the same Armata.
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 28 August 2013 15: 11 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      build a prototype.

      And how to practically implement it. I am not in the subject, but something deeply doubt that Baumanka has the corresponding production facilities.
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 28 August 2013 18: 06 New
        0
        If the project passes the examination, then why not allocate production where you can build, in Russia, in my opinion, such plants
  17. vilenich
    vilenich 28 August 2013 14: 52 New
    +5
    But I’m wondering how they know in Baumanka which tank is needed in a modern war, did they receive a technical task for development or did they invent something themselves?
    The main thing is that it doesn’t work out, as in the joke:
    There is a group of refined intellectuals. And they ask one of their own (a nerd-philologist), they say, where do you get such a correct and intelligent huge bruise from under your eye?
    And he replies, they say, yesterday he was in the same company and there a soldier was telling a case from his life: "I once had one x * * in the company ...", and I interrupted him and corrected: "not in the company, but in the mouth ", for which for some reason he immediately got under the eye. (I apologize for the profanity, but "you can't throw a word out of the song").
    1. buzuke
      buzuke 28 August 2013 15: 22 New
      +1
      Well, in general, Bauman is a fairly well-known scientific and technical brand. the level of training there is very high
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 28 August 2013 20: 49 New
      0
      Quote: vilenich
      But I’m wondering how they know in Baumanka which tank is needed in a modern war, did they receive a technical task for development or did they invent something themselves?

      just remember the history of the creation of tanks on the initiative:
      T-34 Koshkin

      KV-1 by the Wind ...
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 28 August 2013 22: 43 New
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        just remember the history of the creation of tanks on the initiative: T-34 Koshkin

        The fact is that since 1937, Mikhail Koshkin was the chief designer of the tank design bureau at the Kharkov factory named after the Comintern, and the Kyrgyz Republic did not start from scratch. Maybe I'm not on the topic and in Baumanka some kind of chief designer of a tank design bunker works out?
        1. Egen
          Egen 29 August 2013 05: 41 New
          0
          Quote: vilenich
          The fact is that since 1937, Mikhail Koshkin - chief designer of the tank design bureau

          ... and the T-34 was not immediately born from the head.
          That's right, in general, it's not so much about the concept. Look, that's right, the "death star" is the best concept :) But it's also about the components, materials, technology and manufacturability, etc. "Armata" is largely based on existing components, technologies and capacities - existing ones. I agree, you can come up with a conceptually new tank, but so 99% that you will have to create a whole new industry for its production. And it is still unclear how he will be in service - recently, Osprey was discussed on the site.
          A good example of my thoughts is the Tiger: the tank is good in terms of performance and design, and in battle, but we won with 34-kami ...
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 29 August 2013 14: 16 New
            0
            Quote: Egen
            .. and the T-34 was not immediately born from the head.

            The fact of the matter is that it is not immediately and not out of my head. Before that, the enormous practice of designing and creating BTT images was obtained, and based on this knowledge, the T-34 project was born.
      2. vilenich
        vilenich 28 August 2013 23: 14 New
        0
        Quote: PSih2097
        KV-1 by the Wind ...

        Spirits from the 36th year in SKB-2 of the Kirov plant ...
  18. Andrey_K
    Andrey_K 28 August 2013 14: 55 New
    +4
    Maybe they want to make armor from new materials?
    Carbon fiber for example?
    New, phenomenal in properties, carbon modifications (nanotubes and graphene) were discovered only in 1991 and 2005.
    Their characteristics: 200 times stronger than steel and 2 times lighter!
    Chemical bonds in them are even stronger than in diamond.

    But, there is one BUT - graphene has not yet learned to do on an industrial scale, and long nanotubes, too (so far only short ones).
    (And graphene is two times better than nanotubes)
    But recently, another carbine was opened, which is even stronger in strength.
    In short, there is still much to learn and design new production of these materials.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 28 August 2013 15: 52 New
      +2
      Bravo smile
      I agree.
      And experience son, difficult mistakes.
      And the genius of paradoxes is different.
    2. Vlad 1965
      Vlad 1965 28 August 2013 16: 24 New
      +3
      They discovered that there they plan to do this, BUT who will do it with us ?? Effectively defective property owners or something? Someone explained to me somehow that the property owner is profitable and what is not, so, in his words, a long investment he doesn’t need to get any demon. Needless to say, the private trader will not do a damn thing, and the state we have now is oriented towards buying and selling and nothing more, so what kind of garfen, nanotubes and other things are there, unfortunately ..
      1. Andrey_K
        Andrey_K 28 August 2013 18: 18 New
        0
        Nanotubes are a very profitable investment.
        They are made from bicycles, skis, cars, laptops and even computer mice - so far only high-end products but the price only depends on the scale of production.
        Nanotube production plants are under construction all over the world.
        Already even in construction are used.
        Material of the future.
  19. Sochi
    Sochi 28 August 2013 14: 59 New
    +3
    What are such breakthrough technologies? Even if we collect all the innovations, it is not a fact that something worthwhile will turn out, and not a fact that it can be brought to mind. And the question of the price of such a tank is far from the last. Despite the fact that no one can clearly formulate the requirements for the new MBT, everyone sees it differently.
  20. Metlik
    Metlik 28 August 2013 15: 07 New
    +2
    We want to have advanced developments - we need to support the initiative. On command from above only inventions are made in Skolkovo.
  21. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 28 August 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    I wonder what Bauman thought up?
    Based on what data do they think their concept is better?

    If you said "A", then you need to say something further. General principles are not state secrets.
    If you have ideas, it’s good, but you need to work together with those who have extensive, accumulated experience in building tanks, and not reinvent the wheel.
    To mess up anything is possible.
    1. Aleks tv
      Aleks tv 28 August 2013 23: 08 New
      +3
      I'm not against Baumanka ...
      By no means.
      In this educational institution and in its departments just brilliant ideas are born.
      You just need to somehow "stick" the "ideas" to practice.
      And Practice is factory and army tests, plus experience in operating the installation lot.
      Baumanka is ready for this - then "forward and with a song."
      Good luck to her.

      There is another aspect - who will serve on it (armored vehicles {21st century).
      The fact is that the Army is ALWAYS a product of the "society" it protects.

      For example, there is a great video on how to "forget" that you are unique and ...imbued with the assigned task of the entire unit, forgetting about their own "feelings"... Only then will he survive.
      This video is about how all sorts of e-mails are being shot on the phone that they NEED to LISTEN and ATTENT with due diligence, rejoicing that this experience gives them, modern “radishes,” free of charge.
      "Students" - this is the worst drive in the Army.
      But it’s just from them that they turn out not just soldiers, but Fighters.
      The instructor officer clearly explains the rules for using all kinds of "riders" on the T-80, and not the T-72 (it’s easier there).
      His humor, mixed with sarcasm, is understandable to those who singled out severed fingers and broken limbs while performing simple exercises at the Tankodrome by mechanics.
      Three of these (in a row hollowed out) briefing ... will teach you how to control a tank a monkey, and not just a highly educated "student" ...

      War is the Victory of the Crew, not the machines.
      The word Tankist.

      Video here:

  22. AK-47
    AK-47 28 August 2013 15: 14 New
    +1
    According to the chief designer, the program of the promising heavy fourth-generation tracked platform “Armata” developed by the Uralvagonzavod, currently “being a meaningless exercise”, is being implemented in Russia.

    From the category: "The best is the enemy of the good.
  23. timhelmet
    timhelmet 28 August 2013 16: 04 New
    +1
    The tank will be able to keep hit any kind of modern and promising weapons

    What kind of miracle is this? Is it underground?
  24. Konsmo
    Konsmo 28 August 2013 16: 14 New
    +3
    Baumanka is a company.
    What technical task can the generals give her?
    Remember the 70's saying. "As I put on my sword belt, I keep getting dumb and dumb"
    Our generals all history for peaks and drafts held on.
    Yes, as in the west. And they didn’t listen.
    "The British do not clean guns with bricks" Lefty.
    Did not hear.
    Dear ... Crimean war, because of this, and steam locomotives with steamboats.
    But the Cherepanovs in the Urals, steam locomotives under Catherine 2 did.
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 28 August 2013 16: 49 New
      0
      Cherepanovs in the early 20s of the 19th century.
      This Polzunov under Catherine did a heat engine.
      I apologize, I already began to forget the school curriculum. crying
  25. atesterev
    atesterev 28 August 2013 16: 38 New
    +5
    Bauman developed concept new generation battle tank

    From the concept to the implementation, it’s a very long way ... So they put a flag in their hands, a drum on their neck and a crooked starter in ...
    1. Konsmo
      Konsmo 28 August 2013 17: 46 New
      +4
      Bauman is not a plant, but brains.
      The army should give the loot for the development.
      Bauman should collect almost 1-2-3 copies on her knees.
      Perhaps on "Uralvagon". Say what technologies to do this and that.
      Who to order these technologies from.
      All this is chasing polygons.
      The military scratch their turnips and say whether it suits or not.
      If yes. Designers and the factory draw the price. Then, while fighting, using foul language, they settle the price for 2-3 months or more.
      Then this price is included in the budget for next year.
      The next year comes, no money, until September-November.
      Something ... from the mountain, in the Ministry of Finance, such as Kudrin says no money yet.
      And bonds and state. stocks of brains are not enough to release. what
      And money under 3 percent in America cannot be withdrawn. The percentage will fall.
      In early October, money comes in, you need to send it to contractors, starting from special cooking steels, for the same bolts, armor, for example. And there is some kind of zirconium, ruthenium, molybdenum, titanium oxide in the alloy you need to add, which you have to bring in damn In short, by the end of November, something comes from contractors, the assembly and refinement of those processes begins.
      Yes, I forgot to buy machines for some operations, I need to order abroad, they make them and bring them in for 5-7 months, including customs clearance.
      Their own factories died. Including the Red Proletarian (on which he worked)
      The machine builder is needed for the installation of the manufacturer. Wait for specialists to start the machines. They’ll come, the Germans will be happy for a month, and maybe 5-6 months to start the machines.
      We need to teach people how to work on these machines and write programs for them to process parts. This is month 2. But with the blood of our engineers for 10-12 hours jumping around the machines, the family is on the verge of a divorce.
      In short, they collect three pieces by December 25th. But without trunks, optics, turret rotation sensors, and so on the little things. The State Acceptance Commission.
      They drove out to the polygon. They're driving! But there is no cannon to shoot with, there are no shells for self-defense such as "Attack" either.
      Ohr, checkmate, grabbing at the breasts. Customer representative, major on the verge of a heart attack, plant representative, director and engineer heads too. Muzzles are red.
      Day, two, three calls upstairs on the phone. Again, op, checkmate from the phone.
      The customer major, puts the hook, and the seal is accepted.
      The people ran to the secretary’s store chopping cucumbers and onions to the herring.
      It spills cold. And two hours later, hugging each other, the designer and the customer sang "when a tired submarine goes home from the depths"
      They served together in the Mediterranean in the 70s. Some of them are marines, some of them are on BOD, on lokatars.
      On the last working day of the year, the plant receives a transfer from the bank, budget money.
      This plot is easy, with new equipment, everything is usually cooler.
  26. Russ69
    Russ69 28 August 2013 17: 52 New
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    News in topic:
    The Ministry of Defense ordered from the MSTU. N.E. Bauman's development of a combat vehicle for the Marine Corps
    According to ARMS-TASS, at the MAKS-2013 salon, the chief designer of SPC SM Sergey Popov, in the twenties of July the envelopes were opened with the applications of the contest participants, they were processed for a week, and the Ministry of Defense signed a contract in mid-August.
    According to him, "the timing of the research work is very tough - by the end of the year it should be completed with the development of a tactical and technical task for development work." The chief designer hopes that "Baumanka will also be entrusted with the design and development work."
    “We have to solve a very serious task,” Popov noted. “The big problem is that Russian sailors have never had a combat vehicle, and in this regard there is no clear understanding of what it should be. the overland option is a hopeless business. "

    http://www.i-mash.ru/news/nov_otrasl/39567-minoborony-zakazalo-u-mgtu-im.-n.je.-

    baumana.html
  27. voliador
    voliador 28 August 2013 18: 01 New
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    Let them apply to the MO, tech. substantiation, R&D reports that were carried out on this topic. And without it, all words are just words.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 28 August 2013 18: 34 New
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      Quote: voliador
      Let them apply to the MO, tech. rationale ...

      Something to look at least in the sketch, otherwise
      “This will be a completely new design that has nothing to do with the existing one,” he said, without specifying the hallmarks of the promising MBT concept of MSTU. Bauman

      It’s not difficult for me to say this as well, and then to declare it sternly that the rail I plan is pulling a couple of billions in development, and the anti-gravity ...
      Not to mention YOU engine!
      Oh!
      Or maybe really a breakthrough ?! Well, at least one eye, huh?
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 28 August 2013 22: 25 New
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        Oga breakthrough - such a bold and decisive breakthrough to the budget of the Russian Defense Ministry laughing
        By the way, the whole Kubinka is stuffed with such "concepts" and it is characteristic that these "concepts" have been produced by quite specialized design bureaus with adult uncles, engineers, designers and technologists - literate people with experience in creating real tanks, some of whom were quite at war, with knowledge of production realities, army exploitation. And then theorists and scientists come on the stage, all in white, and all this "Armata" of yours proudly proclaims ... oh but we already have a "end" ...
        1. S-200
          S-200 28 August 2013 22: 38 New
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          Quote: evil hamster
          And then theorists and scientists come on the stage, all in white, and all this "Armata" of yours proudly proclaims ... oh but we already have a "end" ...

          Well, why are you laughing! ? fool
          they (Baumans), probably - "The whole division is in the monastery!" scientific company (platoon, detachment, combat crew) for 3 months the needs of the army are already along and across studied!
          PURE, conceptually, a defense grant for yourself not to snatch, Serdyukov women and non-drain slammed! ? request
          PS[I] Seriously, they have been preparing personnel for the defense industry for a long time and with high quality! Let them try and develop concepts ... [/I]
  28. tomket
    tomket 28 August 2013 23: 43 New
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    why don’t they make a drone tank ???? In my opinion, there are more advantages over the aircraft, it will not crash to the ground, and there are no restrictions on the weight of the equipment. and torn turrets will no longer demoralize the crews of other armored vehicles.
  29. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 August 2013 00: 03 New
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    Yes, let them do it. A few copies, for further break-in and refinement of technology. And then in full or in part implementation.
  30. sergey158-29
    sergey158-29 29 August 2013 00: 39 New
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    QUOTE: “Armata” - the development of “Uralvagonzavod” - “a deliberately meaningless occupation”.

    INTERESTING statement ...

    Really they (SPC SP), her ("Armata") has already been SHOWN!
  31. kmike
    kmike 29 August 2013 07: 47 New
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    Only in disputes and errors, and then in further research, something ingenious is born. Whoever does not do anything is not mistaken.
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 29 August 2013 18: 44 New
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      Quote: kmike
      Do not be mistaken the one who does not do anything.

      Did you immediately decide that you were wrong?
      Black humor is a statement, since there’s nothing to say at all _ Either they are mistaken, or not!
  32. Enemy of the rampant
    Enemy of the rampant 31 August 2013 18: 28 New
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    Last September, I turned to Rogozin with a fan of several projects. A little later, another fan, in which there was a project of a medium tank and a tank escort vehicle. New principles for booking, sights, optics, survivability systems and the use of a small two-stroke semi-adiabatic engine. I admitted that at the turn of the century, through the Japanese company IHI, I participated in the competition for the concept of a medium tank (less than 40 tons) in the Japanese concern Mitsubishi Heavy Industries. It was the novelty of the engine that frightened the Japanese (if it is “raw”, then the other engine will not fit into the engine-transmission compartment), moreover, it required large financial injections into the new engine, and its quantitative output was less than a thousand pieces (it would have turned out simply in gold). Sent to the military-industrial complex in a fan, there was a draft of a new method of landing from the sea, from a distance of up to 150 miles and using civilian cargo ships equipped with their own loading and unloading cranes. In the cover letter, I explained with my project I got almost everyone (both DARPA and TACOM and the GCV project coordinators, had correspondence with Pfilip Hemand (even before he became minister) so you can list countries and corporations for a long time ...). Everywhere the project of a new tank is NOT NECESSARY, it’s just that the time of the tanks has passed (the only exception is Israel, which is fighting with savages and that is less than 150 km from its borders). I called for attention to the concept of a light, cheap and numerous wheeled combat vehicle. The answer from the military-industrial complex was as follows - your materials are examined by specialists from the Technical University named after Bauman.
    I’m not saddened by the plagiarism of the “representatives of the Old Testament”, only in Russia you can never do this and not because the hands are not growing from the wrong place and the machines are ancient, but the fact that less than a penny will be left from each ruble to sale. As for the specialists of the “tank school” of the UVZ, I can say the following without any offense: if not the T-64, then they would still have released “167” (even if hung with dynamic armor) - but this is your limit.
  33. Enemy of the rampant
    Enemy of the rampant 31 August 2013 20: 35 New
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    From correspondence with Rogozin: “... .. I bring to your attention (so, for cognitive analysis by specialists) a project of a semi-adiabatic engine, medium tank and a tank escort vehicle. But all this is already yesterday, since the time of tanks has already passed. Perhaps something will come in handy to improve the combat characteristics of the BUMERANG and KURGANETS projects ... ”
    Interestingly, will this project be kept secret? If so, from whom? It’s also interesting how the new “authors” will look, well, not in Russia, but in the world? In some military publications, my tank design, intended for war in an "emulsion" (and not just on the front line), is briefly published. The project is revolutionary, it’s necessary to develop it, it’s possible for 10 years, it’s not enough to cut money from the budget, and then admit that a new global guerrilla warfare tactics has formed in the world and this project does not meet new realities, slowly closing down.
    I no longer deal with this area, and why, everywhere the first barrier is access to secrets, which without citizenship (of this state) will not be given. I am engaged in the project of non-lethal gendarme weapons (this section does not require access to secrets), respectively, the result of the promotion is tangible. And to develop and produce large equipment is the prerogative of large groups of high-ranking mediocrity and crooks, formed according to the god of their chosen nationality and related principle. Moreover, there is someone to pay with their lives in the near future.
  34. Enemy of the rampant
    Enemy of the rampant 2 September 2013 10: 36 New
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    Another approach to the design and manufacture of armored vehicles is revolutionary. Military equipment can be varied and in the mass range from 2 to 100 tons. The base is a steel case covered with large and voluminous modules. The modules themselves are collapsible and quickly repaired, in the field. The bulk of the “filling of the modules is foam and assembly foam, in which the spaced layers are small metal-ceramic plates and a number of other armor obstacles (the principle of APFSDS rotation and its braking is implemented, like a rollback or dispersal of a cumulative jet, from the impact of a projectile inside the module, extensive destruction is formed - the size of a milk flask). Technology and production culture - at the level of 1945. The main problem in modern tank building is getting into an irreversible dead end, its unbearable super price (let's call it the first phase of the collapse of tank building), and the second is the process of simulating the development of new heavy armored vehicles. This is the global trend of theft of budgetary funds, because by the target date, the world’s military priorities and threats are radically changing, then new requirements for armored vehicles are developed and the comedy “cut” goes into the next series.
    The proposed concept is intended for the production of military equipment in wartime and for a protracted (maybe decades), let’s say, war below average intensity. With whom ? Yes, on the new (blazing) borders of Russia (there is no Russia) with small but almost hourly threats from territories that have lost their statehood. It should be noted that the powerful powers - bulldozers will mega cruelly force out (catch up and secretly arm and feed) the "unnecessary" from their new territories.
    The second feature of the project is new systems for increasing combat survivability, made mainly on the basis of household microelectronics, lasers and TV devices (the use of which 20 years ago would be very expensive, not reliable and bulky). (No, they will not burn anyone with a laser beam, but the retractable sight heads (large or small) are released only at the moment when you need to aim and shoot - here, in a second, the laser alignment system is activated and using the electronic base of the same hundred or a digital camera Using flash data on the basic adjustment of the aiming weapon, the micromotors will fit the mirror exactly, the following systems work in this style: - detection and destruction of mines in the ground (1-1,5 meters from the track); active defense systems against grenade launchers, system emy detection and staging ATGM interference system dastardly mimicry laser target illumination, automatic sight of the enemy optics and much more.
    The third feature is the development and creation of systems and devices that use consumer electronics that actually see, detect, aim and destroy. Here, specialists from Baumanovka saw the “tank revolution” —thousands of graduation projects, hundreds of dissertations, thousands of patents for inventions and access to cut dough from the budget.
    It is a pity, for more than 25 years of a painstaking hobby - "down the drain". "Where ours did not disappear - ours disappeared everywhere."
    And the vice - “journalist” endowed with great power is respect and many thanks.