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How the IDF finds missing soldiers

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How the IDF finds missing soldiers



All that is needed to shake all of Israel is one missing soldier. The unit Eitan (unit for the detection of missing soldiers) monitors all attempts to find the missing soldiers in Israel, taking full advantage of the technological advances of UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicles). The new course, which takes place twice a year, trains UAV operators to act in such delicate situations. Dozens of Isaril Air Force maps, work plans and research projects are scattered on the table of Major Yoav, now a civilian in the Eitan unit of the Israel Defense Forces. A small photo of Guy Heber, the IDF soldier missing in 1997, is attached to a corkboard on the wall. The abduction of Israeli soldiers, living or dead, has always been the goal of terrorist organizations. History shows that the state of Israel is ready to go to great lengths to return its soldiers, even exclusively for funeral purposes.


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“We must act as quickly as possible as soon as it is established that the soldier was missing. Whether abduction or on the battlefield, we must find and return the soldier home,” said reserve major Yoav. "The immediate detection of a soldier immediately prevents a family, national and international crisis arising in the future."

In the new course of the Israeli Air Force unit, Eitan is training the UAV operators to "be the eyes" of the IDF in the sky over enemy territory in order to prevent another attempted abduction.


The IDF's UAV operators


It all started with two research papers written by reserve major Yoav, along with reserve major Chen, a UAV operator and a specialist in locating missing persons. For years, reserve majors Yoav and Chen have written several articles related to UAVs and their role in tracking abductions.

"The conclusion from these works is extremely simple: let's use existing technologies as best as possible to track and find the missing people," explained Major Stock Yoav. "Eitan’s task is clear: to ensure the 12-and zlachnye coordinates of the missing person, dead or alive. At least, this allows us to explore the enemy’s territory and narrow the search for missing people. This also allows us to explore places that are not accessible without a UAV.”


UAV


Stock Major Yoav describes a definite conclusion that suggests itself from these two articles: "When someone is buried, a grave mound arises. Later, this mound takes on a very definite shape that can be seen. In addition, we learned that when someone digs a grave , soil and seeds are mixed. A mound has a greater amount of moisture. Moisture and mixed seeds result in a unique effect which results in the vegetation on the hill different from the surrounding natural vegetation. These findings helped us to find Dana B nneta (Israeli teenager was killed in 2003 year). "

Another obvious advantage of the UAV are its sophisticated cameras. "The UAV is equipped with a thermal camera that provides high resolution and quality," explained Major Stock Cheng. "Thermal technologies allow further analysis of the terrain. So we can mark suspicious areas for further thorough research. Our task here is to get to the soldier before the terrorists do."

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After being discharged from the army, Major Reserve Cheng made sure that he was able to transfer his knowledge to other UAV operators in the squadron. "This is not the type of task we face on a daily basis and is very different from the usual tasks of finding missile launchers," said reserve major Meir. “Fortunately, this does not happen very often, and the idea to formulate a whole course of study came after an understanding that there is a significant knowledge gap in this area.”

Thus was created a two and a half day course. At the end of the course, a practical workshop is held in which the Israel region is chosen to simulate a battle and where, among other things, UAV operators have to determine simulated burial sites.


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"There are several expected scenarios for missing: tourists are lost in the desert, the pilot leaves the plane, kidnapped by terrorists or wounded on the battlefield," describes the major stock of Oz. "One of the objectives of this course is to create a protocol in accordance with which you can act on any of these scenarios."

From a different angle
Operators report that in addition to gaining knowledge on how to deal with emergency situations with missing people, a special course improves their level of professionalism as they acquire new skills in analyzing aerial photographs. "We are teaching operators how to extract more information from the picture they are observing," explained reserve major Cheng. It is planned to conduct the course twice a year. Since everyone takes this very seriously, everyone hopes that the skills gained on the course will never have to be applied in real emergency situations.


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  1. il grand casino
    il grand casino 28 August 2013 10: 12 New
    +9
    And yet the future for UAVs ... well done, those armies and governments that understand and develop this
  2. xetai9977
    xetai9977 28 August 2013 10: 16 New
    20
    It has always been fascinating how the Israelis value every soldier. They are always ready to use force because of a single case of the death or even injury of 1-2 military personnel. Each self-respecting state should do so.
  3. a52333
    a52333 28 August 2013 10: 59 New
    +5
    And the coordination of all types of troops in combat operations at altitude. The Army "Works" as a single organism. envy take.
  4. domovoi
    domovoi 28 August 2013 11: 02 New
    -10
    Zadolbali already write about this Israel ... Professor the whole site has dirtied his stupid propaganda, on which only suckers are conducted. Let's be honest - be the war of Israel against a country with a normal army that has OTRK and MLRS, no UAVs will help him. And there will be no one to search and collect their fragments. For no LCD can save from a massive attack with modern weapons.
    1. Recon
      Recon 28 August 2013 11: 17 New
      11
      all this does not negate the facts described above.
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 11: 20 New
        -6
        So what? songs of praise to sing now? Maybe we’ll read and say about the United States and the Third Reich - "oh, yes, that’s what their organization was ... oh envy" Ugh! fool
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 28 August 2013 11: 46 New
          +6
          at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".
          1. domovoi
            domovoi 28 August 2013 12: 49 New
            -7
            Quote: fartfraer
            at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

            I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?
            1. il grand casino
              il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 00 New
              +5
              Quote: domovoi
              Quote: fartfraer
              at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

              I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?

              Excuse me, what was their positive experience? Besides cutting unarmed and burning villages? No, there were moments ... they fought, but the glory of the Red Army did not last long ... Do not confuse one with the other
        2. anip
          anip 29 August 2013 06: 08 New
          +2
          Quote: domovoi
          and we’ll read and say about the Third Reich - "oh, yes, that’s what their organization was ... oh enviable"

          Why not? The Third Reich also had something to learn, because you need to learn not only from friends, but also from enemies. Moreover, often the experience of the enemy is more useful.
        3. Recon
          Recon 29 August 2013 09: 08 New
          +3
          I see nothing wrong with envying the care of the fighters. I'm a fighter myself, maybe that's why? And what are you doing?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 11: 54 New
      16
      The site is called Military Review. If the professor’s articles have bothered you, then look for information, write, fill up all the articles that you think are right.
      1. Dober
        Dober 28 August 2013 14: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        The site is called Military Review.

        That's it. And not otherwise.
        Not a "Military Review", much less a "סקירה צבאית".
        Here, anyone will say how many articles he has proposed have not "moderated" or are not related to the topics of "VO". And this propagandist with an idiotic picture on the avatar what kind of preferences before the others?
        1. il grand casino
          il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 14 New
          +8
          quote = Dober] [quote = Pimply] The site is called Military Review. [/ quote]
          That's it. And not otherwise.
          Not a "Military Review", much less a "סקירה צבאית".
          Here, anyone will say how many articles he has proposed have not "moderated" or are not related to the topics of "VO". And this propagandist with an idiotic picture on the avatar what kind of preferences are before the others? [/ Quote]

          Language does not change the meaning of what is written ... By the way, in the title there is no word saying that review is only to the armies of the Russian Federation or the USSR. It’s interesting for me to read about all the armies of the world ... I generally like to learn something new, and don’t get hung up on one thing ... and if you are on the site to get into fuss over comments ... there’s nothing you can do.
        2. Tourist Breakfast
          Tourist Breakfast 28 August 2013 14: 43 New
          +3
          The site has a section of the "Army of the World" if you are not in the know.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 18 New
          -2
          Quote: Dober
          Here, anyone will say how many articles he has proposed have not "moderated" or are not related to the topics of "VO". And this propagandist with an idiotic picture on the avatar what kind of preferences before the others?

          Maybe, because the articles were fig and more concerned with some next fabrications, and not specifics, like a pro?

          "To begin with, hundreds of people of different religions and views communicate on the site, and all of them are full-fledged visitors to our site."
    3. Rider
      Rider 28 August 2013 12: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: domovoi
      Zadolbali already write about this Israel ...


      Arimia of Israel’s defense, the most warring army in the world.

      Believe me, they have a lot to learn.

      If you don’t like such articles, you can simply ignore them.
    4. Professor
      28 August 2013 12: 36 New
      +8
      Quote: domovoi
      Zadolbali already write about this Israel ...

      You write about Ukarin, I do not write about the BSSSR.

      Quote: domovoi
      The professor spoiled the entire site with his stupid propaganda, on which only suckers are being conducted.

      I am glad that you are not a sucker and of course you knew about the existence of such a unit to some army there in general and the use of UAVs to search for missing persons in particular? It is a pity that I could not reveal to you anything new. I will try harder.

      Quote: domovoi
      Let's be honest - be the war of Israel against a country with a normal army that has OTRK and MLRS, no UAVs will help him.

      Do you mean the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi armies combined, armed with the latest modernity, including the OTRK and the MLRS? So we already passed it. To tell you a story or will you find it yourself?

      Quote: domovoi
      And there will be no one to search and collect their fragments.

      They are looking for fragments of soldiers in Israel and just so that there would be mother where to come to the grave.


      Quote: domovoi
      For no LCD can save from a massive attack with modern weapons.

      Here, as they say materiel. LCD not intended to "save" from a "massive attack with modern weapons."
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 28 August 2013 13: 47 New
        +4
        Once he showed his photograph to his father who fought in Afghanistan ... he looked for a long time and then simply said that drinking such vodka is not a sin ...
        By the way, if I don’t confuse anything, are there other photos from the same series? Wash even with the found remains
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 28 August 2013 14: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: il grand casino
          By the way, if I don’t confuse anything, are there other photos from the same series?

          Our neighbors also respect the remains of Israeli soldiers
          1. il grand casino
            il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 10 New
            +2
            ki ... what else to say ... It remains to be hoped that they will have to burn for a long time in Hell ... war is death, but this is the action of worms and not people
    5. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 31 October 2013 06: 35 New
      0
      How much poison and frustration in all 4 lines ... frankly - the IDF is currently more efficient and stronger than any of the European armies. Fact.
  5. fartfraer
    fartfraer 28 August 2013 11: 42 New
    14
    probably there they are asking the officers for the loss and missing soldiers.
    "The professor spoiled the whole site with his stupid propaganda, to which only suckers are being conducted" - so I did not understand - the post is a blatant lie and propaganda or is it true?
    “Let’s frankly - be the Israeli war against a country with a normal army that has OTRK and MLRS, no UAVs will help him.” - In Russia there were two Chechens, where there were prisoners as well. How actively were they looking for them? No, I know that they were released including by force. but how actively were they looking for them? here I’m not in the know. for some reason mothers had to come to the warring republic and look for their children themselves (there were such cases). My opinion is that this is a bestial attitude towards soldiers and their families (answering your possible question, he served, including in Chechnya. the truth was after 2 Chechen, but many colleagues went through both wars. I talked a lot with him, including on this topic)
    so in Israel there is a specialized service for the search for missing prisoners. that’s good. I don’t know about the availability of such a service in the Russian Federation. From all of this the question is, does such a service (organization) need? My opinion, as a reserve military man, is not easy it’s needed, it’s necessary, because it will give the soldier the confidence that he will be pulled out of any captivity (they will bury him in his native land). This begs the question, why is there no such service in the Russian Federation?
    1. Rider
      Rider 28 August 2013 12: 27 New
      +7
      Quote: fartfraer
      the question follows, why is there no such service in the Russian Federation?


      because the fat man ... uh, booty degenerals, they are not punished in any way for unjustified losses.
      and how many cases of overt betrayal?
      at least someone specifically planted?

      I shake your hand.
  6. Zymran
    Zymran 28 August 2013 11: 46 New
    12
    Frankly speaking, it’s impossible not to admire how Israel values ​​the life of every soldier and fights not by numbers, but by skill.
  7. sergant89
    sergant89 28 August 2013 12: 18 New
    +8
    Yes, everything is correct when both the country and the army not only value, but also DO NOT FORGET about the dead and missing soldiers, personally, more than a dozen times I had to see mothers looking for their child soldiers in the republic known to everyone, and how many of their mothers went missing, died and fell into slavery, you won’t find such statistics anywhere, so you don’t have to shout about any propaganda or praise of someone else’s army, but try to adopt all the best and realize it, because if your parents aren’t even released, they’ll be dead and returned Armie soldier home th or the country will have the opportunity to come to the grave, and to remember his son will know that he is remembered not only they, but also the army and the homeland for which he gave his life.
  8. Neksel
    Neksel 28 August 2013 12: 28 New
    +1
    Stock Major Cheng


    Thank you Professor. Is Major's last name not Han?
    1. Professor
      28 August 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Neksel
      Thank you Professor. Is Major's last name not Han?

      Only the name is mentioned in the original.
      1. Neksel
        Neksel 28 August 2013 13: 07 New
        +2
        Clear. I mean what can from English - Chen. I just didn’t invest in such a name or a surname in Israel before, but it turns out some Chinese lol
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 13: 19 New
          +1
          You remember Meroma, nicknamed "Tea"
          1. Neksel
            Neksel 28 August 2013 14: 06 New
            +1
            laughing It is truth too. The consequences of Russian-Chinese relations.
      2. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 28 August 2013 14: 54 New
        +3
        Only the name is mentioned in the original

        Yes "han" this. Surname is.
  9. Hug
    Hug 28 August 2013 14: 38 New
    +4
    [quote = domovoi] Zadolbali already write about this Israel ... Professor the whole site has dirtied his stupid propaganda, on which only suckers are conducted. Let's be honest - be the war of Israel against a country with a normal army that has OTRK and MLRS, no UAVs will help him. And there will be no one to search and collect their fragments. For no LCD will save from a massive attack with modern weapons. [/ Q
    What can I tell you? Nah, comments are redundant.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 August 2013 14: 39 New
      +2
      But how much krama he wrote)))
  10. domovoi
    domovoi 28 August 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    Quote: il grand casino
    Quote: domovoi
    Quote: fartfraer
    at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

    I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?

    Excuse me, what was their positive experience? Besides cutting unarmed and burning villages? No, there were moments ... they fought, but the glory of the Red Army did not last long ... Do not confuse one with the other

    Well, there was an order to destroy inferior people. Pleasantly will you read about their exploits? So Israel behaves no better than the SS ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: domovoi
      Well, there was an order to destroy inferior people. Pleasantly will you read about their exploits? So Israel behaves no better than the SS ...

      Can you develop your theory about Israel and the SS in more detail?
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 16: 07 New
        0
        Due to the different views on the internal conflict in Syria, you will apparently be stubbornly proving that the rebels are peaceful decent people who are eager to build a democratic society. Otherwise, how to explain the help of Israel to the rebels?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 16: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: domovoi
          peaceful decent people eager to build a democratic society. Otherwise, how to explain the help of Israel to the rebels?

          What makes you think that Israel helps the rebels. SANA have heard enough. They will not tell you that.
          You somehow forgot about Qatar, the United States, the European Union, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, which deliver everything to the rebels quite officially.
          Have you ever tried to understand that the enemy of the enemy is not necessarily a friend. Israel is not satisfied with the Assad regime, nor the guys from al-Qaeda. He strictly observes his interests and will hammer at anyone in whom he feels a threat - whether it be rebels or government troops.

          Among those for whom Assad strikes, a huge number of civilians. Like among those for whom the rebels hit. The country has split into three parts: Sunnis, Kurds, and everyone else. The Kurds are building their own state, and the Sunnis and the rest are fighting each other.

          Very real terrorists from Hezbollah and assassins from the IRGC are fighting for Nad Assad, and increasingly radicalized Sunnis are fighting against Nad Assad. So there is no need to build a pose here, as if trying to kill the villains are white and fluffy. Assad is a bloody killer. Those who oppose him are no better.
          1. domovoi
            domovoi 28 August 2013 16: 20 New
            -3
            "He strictly abides by his interests and will hammer at anyone in whom he feels a threat - be it rebels or government troops." - that is, you decide who lives and who doesn’t? other countries / groups do not have the right to see a threat in Israel? (although in general I agree with you - these Muslims are ready to kill everyone, like Christian infidels, Muslim infidels ... wild people)
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 28 August 2013 17: 25 New
              +2
              your mistake is that you confuse concepts. attitude to your soldiers and actions towards those who are considered enemies are completely different things. this is how to compare guantanomo and independent Ukraine. no logic, one misunderstanding. here I could tell you, how can you judge the crimes of others if your Crimean Tatars periodically display separatist sentiments? are you a terrorist? or a supporter of the laws that have recently been passed in France? (on equality) .
              no logic, agree? and your comments about ss.
              1. domovoi
                domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 04 New
                -3
                fartfraer, what have the Tatars to do with me? have you already "accepted" or what? or do you always bind a person to politics in the country of IP address?
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 08 New
                  +2
                  how do the Tatars? because four!, but how else.
                  you see, just like me, komenty, in which there is no logic, are not clear to you. so why do you write such crazy comments?
                  1. domovoi
                    domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 23 New
                    +1
                    if you have not caught the parallel between the praise of enemy armies, then I'm sorry, there is no time and desire to chew you all. your right even prays for the Jews, their army and miraculous hang gliders. this is what, watching and admiring others, will really help and increase the combat readiness of your army.
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 31 New
                      +4
                      I didn’t catch something about praising the army, indeed. I didn’t catch the army’s special units for saving prisoners, searching for them and returning them. And I spoke about this when I approved of their experience in this matter. Your right to invent yourself in the head of some unreal interlocutors who pray for Jews, etc., but you perceive me as quite real, ordinary inadequacy, which does not recognize other people's achievements and not only learns from others' mistakes and experience, but does not learn at all.
                      By the way, learning from experience (positive) and learning from experience (negative) really increases combat readiness. Then you yourself know the truth.
                      1. domovoi
                        domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 45 New
                        0
                        answer one question - how is this article related to learning from others? maybe watching German propaganda in '41, about their planes and tanks the best in the world, would also be an appropriation of experience?
                      2. fartfraer
                        fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 51 New
                        +2
                        easily) this article tells how the salvation of prisoners of war is established in another state. It talks about the possibility of the state (if desired by the leadership) not to abandon its soldiers, but in a SYSTEMATIC AND ORGANIZED manner (do you understand why I highlighted these words?) to return the prisoners to their homeland (so that later put them in operation, or to show the soldiers how they are needed by their state.) in my opinion this is a good experience. do you think so far it turns out that you need to throw prisoners, because otherwise it’s replenishment of Israel and imitation of ss wax
        2. The Indian Joe
          The Indian Joe 28 August 2013 18: 22 New
          -3
          Patchy quote
          Among those for whom Assad strikes, a huge number of civilians
          - propaganda lies. As they once wrote, I don’t remember, you or the professor, something like "most of these civilians have a characteristic bruise on their right shoulder."

          Assad is a bloody killer
          - what pathetic, and whom Assad killed? A bunch of foreign mercenaries and Syrian bandits? Are you very sorry for them?
          1. domovoi
            domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 34 New
            +3
            Joe, don’t make any noise. Here, what the Jews said is an undeniable truth. Do not try to argue laughing
        3. beard999
          beard999 28 August 2013 18: 54 New
          +2
          Quote: Pimply
          Israel does not like the Assad regime, nor the guys from al-Qaeda.

          Well, that’s understandable. The question is different - you Pupyrchaty, however, do you see any difference whatsoever between those who will be in power in your neighboring state - Baath or Jabhat al-Nusra, recently listed by the UN Security Council as a terrorist organization? Are you between the secular government of Bashar al-Assad and the power of the extremely radical fanatic Abu Muhammad al-Giulani, with his "guys from al-Qaeda," put an equal sign?
          Quote: Pimply
          Quite real terrorists from Hezbollah and assassins from the IRGC howl for Nad Assad. Assad is a bloody killer.

          Another portion of cheap and near Israeli propaganda.
          Hezbollah is the legitimate parliamentary party of your neighboring state. In Syria, its fighters are fighting against the officially recognized UN terrorist group "Jabhat al-Nusra", and even against the Hamas chantrap, which will gladly bombard, shell and will bombard Israel. Did you miss the Hamas shelling?
          Is the IRGC “fighting” in Syria? Can you prove it? Or as always?
          Assad - the "bloody killer"? That is, Russia, in your opinion, supports the "bloody killer"? So yes?
          Do not be afraid Pupyrchaty that Assad will seem really “cute” to you, in comparison with Abu Muhammad al-Giulani, who immediately after the “victory in Syria” is going to attack Israel http://mignews.ru/news/politic/world/010613_154501_00023. html "Nyashka" Abu Muhammad al-Giulani, with pleasure will throw "nyashka Netanyahu" missiles with sarin. It is full in Syria, enough for all of Israel, believe me.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 28 August 2013 20: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: beard999
            Ba'ath or Jabhat al-Nusra recently listed by the UN Security Council as a terrorist organization? Are you between the secular government of Bashar al-Assad and the power of the extremely radical fanatic Abu Muhammad al-Giulani, with his "guys from al-Qaeda," put an equal sign?

            The secular government, sponsoring Hezbollah, Hamas, the PFLP, and Islamic Jihad, are also quite terrorist organizations that regularly try to kill Israeli citizens. A secular state that is at war with Israel. Secular state, which is the closest ally of Iran. Secular state with a very decent arsenal of chemical weapons. There are many things to list. For Israel, that hay, that straw - everything will be one. You cannot understand: noble fighters for truth and evil terrorists do not fight there. There bloody bastards are fighting on both sides. Which without hesitation arrange a massacre. That's all.


            Quote: beard999
            Hezbollah is the legitimate parliamentary party of your neighboring state. In Syria, its fighters are fighting against the officially recognized UN terrorist group "Jabhat al-Nusra", and even against the Hamas chantrap, which will gladly bombard, shell and will bombard Israel. Did you miss the Hamas shelling?

            You do not know that legitimate parties are terrorist organizations? The EU, the States, the Arab League, even the UN are aware of this. Hezbollah has no separation between the political and military wings.
            Quote: beard999
            Is the IRGC “fighting” in Syria? Can you prove it? Or as always?

            Yes, the IRGC. For example, recently in Syria, one of the commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, Hesam Khoshnevis, was killed.

            Here are Syrian fighters showing documents of another captured instructor.


            Will you find Hezbollah videos yourself?

            Quote: beard999
            Assad - the "bloody killer"? That is, Russia, in your opinion, supports the "bloody killer"? So yes?

            Yes, absolutely right. For the first time, think? Such bloody bastards howl against him. Or do you think that Assad, a dictator who clings to power, has rolled the country into a bloody civil war, nyashka?

            Quote: beard999
            Don’t be afraid Pupyrchaty that Assad will seem really “cute” to you, in comparison with Abu Muhammad al-Giulani,

            Yes, and Assad wants to throw these missiles even earlier. Not earlier than today, the Syrians made a statement.
            1. beard999
              beard999 28 August 2013 22: 17 New
              +2
              Quote: Pimply
              Secular government sponsoring Hezbollah, Hamas, PFLP, and Islamic Jihad

              What a mess in your head, however. The main sponsors of Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad are Iran, not Syria. The PFLP receives money from the United States and Western Europe, no less than from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Syria has nothing to do with it. With Hamas (in any case, with its political wing), Syria’s relations are over, for obvious reasons. Hamas will now look for other sponsors, and at best it will be the Saudis and Qatari, and at worst al-Qaeda.
              Quote: Pimply
              Secular state that is at war with Israel

              And what surprises you? Israel occupied a part of the territory of Syria. This is recognized in UN Security Council Resolution No. 242 Israel. What is Israel obligated by this resolution to remind you?
              Quote: Pimply
              Secular State, Iran's Closest Ally

              Is being an ally of Iran a crime? Yes, here he is, the famous Israeli mentality in all its glory - Israel is right in everything and always, and all who are against those are immediately declared to be “evil terrorists”.
              Quote: Pimply
              Hezbollah has no separation between political and military wing

              This is you tell the European Union. He found a “military wing” at Hezbollah. Do you know why? Because in Brussels they perfectly understand the political role and influence of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and therefore they are not going to break off ties with it.
              Quote: Pimply
              recently in Syria killed one of the commanders of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Hesam Khoshnevisa

              They killed when Khoshnevis was returning by car from Damascus to Lebanon. At the same time, the authorities of Iran, Syria, and Lebanon did not blame the Syrian militants, but Israel. In general, the finding of representatives of the IRGC as advisers was not denied even in Iran. But you then claimed that the IRGC in Syria is precisely “fighting” (!!!). Your example does not show this at all. Such claims that the IRGC is “fighting” in Syria were not put forward to Iran, not even the United States. So I repeat - this is a gobbled Israeli propaganda.
              Quote: Pimply
              Do you think that Assad, a dictator who clings to power, has rolled the country into a bloody civil war, nyashka?

              Assad does not want what would happen to Syria to happen in Iraq and Libya. There is an endless blood bath. Of course, I understand that such a destabilization in Syria is beneficial for Israel, but the fact that you don’t see any difference between Assad and the "al-Qaeda guys" will come back to you. The militants from Jabhat al-Nusra cannot be scared not by the military-political power of your overseas masters, not by nuclear weapons. Wash your blood to the very top. Then you will understand who is “sweetheart” and who is not. Only it will be too late.
              Quote: Pimply
              and Assad wants to throw these missiles even earlier

              In the case of AGGRESSION !!! But the children of "Jabhat al-Nusra" will not bother like that. Without any reason you will be sarin.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 27 New
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                Quote: beard999
                What a mess in your head, however. The main sponsors of Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad are Iran, not Syria. The PFLP receives money from the United States and Western Europe, no less than from Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Syria has nothing to do with it.

                It's funny, but Hezbollah thanks her for the rockets, for example. The main office of the PFLP is located in Damascus. And someone said that Syria is the only sponsor? No. Does this cancel the fact that she is a sponsor of terrorist organizations? No.

                Quote: beard999
                And what surprises you? Israel occupied a part of the territory of Syria. This is recognized in UN Security Council Resolution No. 242 Israel. What is Israel obligated by this resolution to remind you?

                Judging by your logic, Russia should give Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands, and Karelia. Probably so.

                Quote: beard999
                Is being an ally of Iran a crime? Yes, here he is, the famous Israeli mentality in all its glory - Israel is right in everything and always, and all who are against those are immediately declared to be “evil terrorists”.

                No, not a crime. Crime sponsor terrorist organizations.
                We don’t discuss crime right now, right. We are discussing who is more problematic for Israel - the “secular” Assad or the guys from al-Qaeda. Right? So where did you go? Get back on the rails, since I took up the tug.

                Quote: beard999
                This is you tell the European Union. He found a “military wing” at Hezbollah. Do you know why? Because in Brussels they perfectly understand the political role and influence of Hezbollah in Lebanon, and therefore they are not going to break off ties with it.

                Correctly. And this marks the fact that Hezbollah is terrorists, and they are no better than Israel to al-Qaeda?


                Quote: beard999
                . But you then claimed that the IRGC in Syria is precisely “fighting” (!!!). Your example does not show this at all. Such claims that the IRGC is “fighting” in Syria were not put forward to Iran, not even the United States. So I repeat - this is a gobbled Israeli propaganda.

                Of course, it was she.
                You know, the farther the funnier. You are now reminiscent of a spoiled child caught over having devoured jam. His lips are smeared, a spoon in his hand, but the child insists that he did not eat jam. And there’s nothing that all the Arabists and all the main intelligence agencies of the world say about this. Of course, the IRGC, especially given the agreement between Iran and Syria, is not in Syria.

                Quote: beard999
                the garden does not want what would happen to Syria in Iraq and Libya. There is an endless blood bath.


                Even funnier. Tens of thousands of people killed in Syria, several million refugees - this is not due to the fact that Assad wanted to stay in power, but in order to prevent bloodshed 8)))


                Quote: beard999
                In the case of AGGRESSION !!! But the children of "Jabhat al-Nusra" will not bother like that. Without any reason you will be sarin.

                Yeah. Turkey and the States attack, and Israel receives missiles 8) Israel should be easier on this 8)))) Comedian
                1. beard999
                  beard999 29 August 2013 17: 32 New
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                  Quote: Pimply
                  PFLP office is located in Damascus

                  PFLP is a member of the PLO. PLO is heading for the USA and the European Union. The money in the PFLP comes through the PLO. Following your unpretentious logic, now Obama Obama, Cameron Obama and Hollande Obama must be declared "bloody killers."
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Judging by your logic

                  In Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands and Karelia, no international decisions were made. The UN does not recognize their occupied territories. But in accordance with the resolutions of the General Assembly and the UN Security Council, the Syrian territories are officially recognized as occupied by Israel.
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Hezbollah terrorists and Israel they are no better than al-Qaeda

                  You, truly with ishachin stubbornness, do not want to acknowledge the obvious. Hezbollah is not recognized as terrorist either by Russia or by most countries of the world, not by the UN Security Council. Even the European Union did not stupidly recognize it as terrorist, but found a trick with a “military wing”. But al-Qaeda is recognized as a terrorist on a global scale and by all. It is entirely possible to exert influence on Hezbollah, from outside, but not on al-Qaeda. They do not care about anything other than global jihad. Hezbollah has a limited Lebanon recruitment resource, and Al-Qaeda recruits them among 1,5 billion Muslims around the world ... No, you don’t see the difference anyway?
                  Quote: Pimply
                  And nothing that all the Arabists and all the main world intelligence say about it

                  Well, what kind of baby talk are “basic intelligence”, “Arabists”? This is called an OBS. Where is the real evidence that the IRGC is “fighting” in Syria? Here is Hezbollah fighting. Evidence of darkness. Including photos and videos. No one denies this. And who officially blamed Iran for the IRGC fighting in Syria?
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Tens of thousands killed in Syria

                  If it were not for outside help, there would not have been so many killed or refugees. Assad in power is no more than the rulers of the Persian monarchies, which are US satellites. When similar events took place in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain, the United States did not even blather. In Bahrain, more than 80 people (according to official figures) were shot dead and more than 5400 people injured during demonstrations. In the same way, the unrest in Saudi Arabia was suppressed. And no one declared the rulers of these states "bloody dictators." In addition, it still doesn’t reach you that Assad killed and is killing jihadists of all stripes on his land. Those who come to power, in case of victory of the opposition, will kill you already.
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Turkey and the States attack, and Israel receives missiles

                  Israel has not bombed Syria recently? In Israel there are no warehouses with American weapons? The electorate in Israel is not beating in ecstasy from the upcoming strikes by the United States and other camarilla, against Syria? Israel declared neutrality regarding possible upcoming attacks on Syria? The words of nanny Netanyahu he said a couple of days ago, "we hold our finger on the trigger." Once again, for those especially stubborn, I repeat - there will be no aggression, there will be no "missiles" against Israel.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 29 August 2013 17: 58 New
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                    Yeah You mixed OOP and PFLP, Fatah and Hamas, etc. etc. Are you aware that funding comes from more than just one source? Or that party financing and coalition organization financing are different box offices. Just like the European Union and, for example, France have different budgets.

                    Quote: beard999
                    In Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands and Karelia, no international decisions were made. The UN does not recognize their occupied territories. But in accordance with the resolutions of the General Assembly and the UN Security Council, the Syrian territories are officially recognized as occupied by Israel.

                    An international solution is an opinion. Russia is a member of the Security Council. Any solution automatically blocks. You yourself are not funny? 8)

                    Quote: beard999
                    Hezbollah is not recognized as terrorist either by Russia or by most countries of the world, not by the UN Security Council. Even the European Union did not stupidly recognize it as terrorist, but found a trick with a “military wing”.

                    Apparently, for Israel, this organization is less terrorist, and we must go hug with it. Indeed, terrorists are best friends.

                    You know, then it’s getting boring. You are trying to convince me that Israel should prefer some terrorists to others. Moreover, both of them dream of destroying Israel. Bravo! This is already boring, sorry. You really are a child at a jar of jam, denying reality, while perfectly knowing that he is wrong. Well, go ahead. Continue to love the terrorists. Such love is returned by a boomerang. A friend of mine, holding similar views with you, completely changed them when a rocket fell next to him.
                    1. beard999
                      beard999 30 August 2013 16: 06 New
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                      Quote: Pimply
                      You mixed OOP and PFLP, Fatah and Hamas

                      What are you talking about? What did I “mix”? You do not know that the PFLP (like Fatah) is structurally part of the PLO? Well, you give a damn. You at least looked at the wiki, or something. There is a detailed diagram of organizations included in the PLO. This information is well known, it is strange that you do not own it. Why are you Hamas, etc. etc." dragged here, did not understand. There is no external separation of PLO funding. Money is transferred to the accounts of the PLO, and how they are distributed internally is decided solely by the executive committee and the CSP.
                      Quote: Pimply
                      An international solution is an opinion. Russia is a member of the Security Council. Any solution automatically blocks.

                      And whoever, tried to transfer the decision on Kaliningrad, the Kuril Islands and Karelia to the UN Security Council? There was no such thing. Kaliningrad and Karelia are demanding the return of national marginal groups, while the official authorities of Germany and Finland have no territorial claims against the Russian Federation. The issue of the Kuril Islands, is on the agenda, only in bilateral relations between the Russian Federation and Japan. At the international level, it is not discussed. But with the occupied Syrian territories, the situation is different. For UN Security Council Resolution No. 242, all 15 countries (including the United States) voted UNANIMOUSLY!
                      Quote: Pimply
                      You are trying to convince me that Israel should prefer some terrorists to others.

                      Nothing like this. I’m definitely not going to convince you of anything. It’s just surprising to me that you point blank do not see the difference between controlled opponents who will never cross a certain line and an international terrorist gang that has only one rule in relation to Israel - a good Israeli is a dead Israeli, preferably with a head cut off ...
                      Quote: Pimply
                      A friend of mine, holding similar views with you, completely changed them when a rocket fell next to him

                      I will assume that in the event of a terrorist victory in Syria, “your friend” will again “change the mind”. Then a self-made rocket with explosives fell next to him, and the nannies from Jabhat al-Nusra would already shoot industrial-made rockets with explosives. Then we’ll see who is the “child with a jar of jam” and who is stupidly engaged in self-deception.
  • domovoi
    domovoi 28 August 2013 15: 42 New
    -3
    Quote: Professor
    Quote: domovoi
    Zadolbali already write about this Israel ...

    You write about Ukarin, I do not write about the BSSSR.

    Quote: domovoi
    The professor spoiled the entire site with his stupid propaganda, on which only suckers are being conducted.

    I am glad that you are not a sucker and of course you knew about the existence of such a unit to some army there in general and the use of UAVs to search for missing persons in particular? It is a pity that I could not reveal to you anything new. I will try harder.

    Quote: domovoi
    Let's be honest - be the war of Israel against a country with a normal army that has OTRK and MLRS, no UAVs will help him.

    Do you mean the Egyptian, Syrian, Jordanian, Iraqi armies combined, armed with the latest modernity, including the OTRK and the MLRS? So we already passed it. To tell you a story or will you find it yourself?

    Quote: domovoi
    And there will be no one to search and collect their fragments.

    They are looking for fragments of soldiers in Israel and just so that there would be mother where to come to the grave.


    Quote: domovoi
    For no LCD can save from a massive attack with modern weapons.

    Here, as they say materiel. LCD not intended to "save" from a "massive attack with modern weapons."

    The photo is interesting, of course. But after you have justified the policy of your state, especially with regard to Syria ... and you will certainly participate in the upcoming intervention. Something I personally don’t really want to see articles about valiant Jews on a kind of patriotic site ... or has Russia officially already risen to its hind legs before Israel?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 15: 46 New
      0
      Quote: domovoi
      Something I personally don’t really want to see articles about valiant Jews on a kind of patriotic site ... or has Russia officially already risen to its hind legs before Israel?

      Do not read.
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 16: 08 New
        -4
        nobody asked you for advice negative
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 16: 17 New
          +3
          Quote: domovoi
          nobody asked you for advice

          This is not advice. This is a recommendation. You didn’t learn to read normally, otherwise you would read the site’s rules.
    2. igor67
      igor67 28 August 2013 16: 11 New
      +2
      Right brownie! Why the hell to adopt the experience of ... Jews, only you inexperienced explain what happened to their sons. Yes, here’s another friend of mine who passed Afghanistan and both Chechen, so from his words the soldiers of the draftees still had a chance of freedom, since the Chechens considered them forced and exchanged, but with the contract soldiers. Do not freeze. And how many are in captivity? In slavery? How many died? And you ...
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 16: 23 New
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        Quote: igor67
        Right brownie! Why the hell to adopt the experience of ... Jews, only you inexperienced explain what happened to their sons. Yes, here’s another friend of mine who passed Afghanistan and both Chechen, so from his words the soldiers of the draftees still had a chance of freedom, since the Chechens considered them forced and exchanged, but with the contract soldiers. Do not freeze. And how many are in captivity? In slavery? How many died? And you ...

        The dead in WWII are still sought and found. With such a scale of hostilities, including in Chechnya, this is a complex and lengthy process. But that is not the question. In your opinion, some official will read this article and draw conclusions, take over the experience? I doubt it ...
        1. igor67
          igor67 28 August 2013 16: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: domovoi
          Quote: igor67
          Right brownie! Why the hell to adopt the experience of ... Jews, only you inexperienced explain what happened to their sons. Yes, here’s another friend of mine who passed Afghanistan and both Chechen, so from his words the soldiers of the draftees still had a chance of freedom, since the Chechens considered them forced and exchanged, but with the contract soldiers. Do not freeze. And how many are in captivity? In slavery? How many died? And you ...

          The dead in WWII are still sought and found. With such a scale of hostilities, including in Chechnya, this is a complex and lengthy process. But that is not the question. In your opinion, some official will read this article and draw conclusions, take over the experience? I doubt it ...

          My grandfather went missing near Stalingrad, for this there is the experience of other armies and even hostile
    3. Professor
      28 August 2013 16: 24 New
      -1
      Quote: domovoi
      Something I personally don’t really want to see articles about valiant Jews on a kind of patriotic site ... or has Russia officially already risen to its hind legs before Israel?

      You personally, Russia and Israel with capital letters, learn to write and then talk.
      1. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 16: 38 New
        -3
        you always find fault with such trifles, but not in fact answer?
      2. Dober
        Dober 28 August 2013 20: 52 New
        -3
        Quote: Professor
        then talk.

        And if you don’t “learn”, then the loss is not great ...
        From "communication" with the "professor" ...
        Moreover, there is essentially nothing to discuss in the article, and no "different opinions". It all comes down to one name, like "Everyday Life of the Memorial Society or Achievements of the Funeral Team."
        The business is necessary! And that’s it.
        For * Iranian server space, no more.
        With the same success, you can post a dozen photos (staged, with good quality) as a group of the Ministry of Emergencies removes a screaming cat from a tree. To the applause of the Rotozeys ...
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 29 New
          +2
          Quote: Dober
          With the same success, you can post a dozen photos (staged, with good quality) as a group of the Ministry of Emergencies removes a screaming cat from a tree. To the applause of the Rotozeys ...

          So place it. What is stopping you? Hands?
          1. Dober
            Dober 29 August 2013 01: 39 New
            -2
            Natural modesty. repeat
            And the ability to value the time of some members of the forum who came here with the goal of constructive communication, and not "look into their pants, marveling at the SIZE of the apparatus" of a strategic (if not enemy) competitor, then ...
    4. fartfraer
      fartfraer 28 August 2013 17: 29 New
      +4
      Do you want to see posts about Russian prisoners that no one saved? Or posts about mothers who went to beg for sons from captivity of militants in Chechnya?
      your thinking is generally strange. Let's say you consider the states to be the enemy. Does this mean that anyone wearing jeans or drinking Coke should be immediately shot down, his house destroyed, and his business must be forgotten?
      1. il grand casino
        il grand casino 28 August 2013 17: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: fartfraer
        Do you want to see posts about Russian prisoners that no one saved? Or posts about mothers who went to beg for sons from captivity of militants in Chechnya?
        your thinking is generally strange. Let's say you consider the states to be the enemy. Does this mean that anyone wearing jeans or drinking Coke should be immediately shot down, his house destroyed, and his business must be forgotten?

        Do not touch the jeans, this is sacred))) Like rock and roll))) Although you can refuse cola, kvass is better)))
      2. domovoi
        domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 01 New
        -5
        fartfraer, you still remember computers and Windows :): not an hour liberal? laughing let's remember then all the inventions, who did what. paper for example.

        ps I can throw a couple of photos of Americans and Jews, you can drool drool, since you are such a fan.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 13 New
          +5
          indeed, one must be a fan of Israel or the states in order to learn how to protect their soldiers and get them out of any mess. By the way, and to the Russian specialists who pulled out not only their wounded, but also their dead, do you say that they are fans of Israel?
          "I can throw a couple of photos of Americans and Jews, you can drop drooling, since you are such a fan." - I can throw off the names of interesting books. For example, a textbook on logic. Read it and learn not to replace concepts, or maybe even learn to think. I certainly I doubt it, but there are still chances. so how? throw off?
          1. domovoi
            domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 27 New
            -3
            well, let's begin now to exchange pleasantries :) how skillfully you moved off the topic good . By the way, where does the Russian specialist? not an article about them.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 36 New
              +4
              how skillfully you left your nonsense. well, since you’re not able to comprehend the text and only respond to individual words, I’ll explain to you what the specialists do — they do the same thing that they do in Israel (the topic of the post), only we are not a generally accepted army system, but in Israel there are special units that deal only with this. And to do such a service in the Russian Federation (as it was done in Israel) does not mean licking their ass, but means adopting someone else's positive experience and introducing it at home , showing the state’s concern for the soldier. I understand that I wrote a lot of "letters" and you can’t master it, but maybe someone will read and understand my point of view more adequately.
              1. domovoi
                domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 46 New
                -5
                How is this article related to the creation of such a service in the Russian Federation? Are you an official maybe? or Shoigu reads IN?
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 53 New
                  +2
                  both-on)) how so? I did not understand your opinion)) so is this a good experience, or the propaganda of Israel?
                  1. il grand casino
                    il grand casino 28 August 2013 18: 54 New
                    +3
                    Quote: fartfraer
                    both-on)) how so? I did not understand your opinion)) so is this a good experience, or the propaganda of Israel?

                    If the text contains the word Israel and it does not stand next to the words "damned", "fascist" and so on. That’s all propaganda)))
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                      2. domovoi
                        domovoi 28 August 2013 20: 28 New
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                        and how, if not a secret, will this experience come in handy in your life? in practice - how can knowledge of the system of the wavehead from within be applied? Are you an official and will propose creating a similar system in the Russian Federation?
                      3. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 30 New
                        +1
                        And how can knowledge of the Russian realities come in handy? You are in Ukraine, right?
    5. Pimply
      Pimply 28 August 2013 20: 59 New
      0
      The Internet can be remembered. Why not.
  • Sarmat1972
    Sarmat1972 28 August 2013 15: 47 New
    +4
    The article is unambiguous (+). Itself passed through the Chechen. Only stupid learn from their mistakes .... we often do not learn from their mistakes - it is regrettable, but it is a fact. I do not think that such a unit needs a lot of l \ s. The main thing is training, providing the latest technology, and most importantly - to organize interaction with military units.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 28 August 2013 20: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Sarmat1972
      I do not think that such a unit needs a lot of l \ s. The main thing is training, providing the latest technology, and most importantly - to organize interaction with military units.

      In addition, the first 12 hours after the abduction are the most critical, and here we need organization and experience in order to be in time in hot pursuit. Therefore, I think that the large personnel is even superfluous, but the group of specialists who can coordinate and direct different services in the right direction is the most.
  • pogis
    pogis 28 August 2013 17: 22 New
    -3
    Quote: Rider
    Quote: domovoi
    Zadolbali already write about this Israel ...


    Arimia of Israel’s defense, the most warring army in the world.

    Believe me, they have a lot to learn.

    If you don’t like such articles, you can simply ignore them.

    The most warring army in the world is Our ARMY!
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      1. igor67
        igor67 28 August 2013 17: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: domovoi
        What are you! Only Jews can be licked here. They are the most developed, the most warring and in general - the very most army of all time.

        licking is not necessary. Fu !! but adequately respond please.
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 10 New
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          adequately respond to the concept of relative ...
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 14 New
            +3
            Yes, I agree. And this relative concept does not apply to you exactly
            1. domovoi
              domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 31 New
              -4
              why do you always interfere in someone else's conversation? Of course, I understand that not everyone was brought up correctly, but it is necessary to be able to insert their 5 cents so persistently. well done, develop and go far
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 42 New
                +2
                it’s the Internet. And I don’t get into your personal correspondence (if you have one), but I’m commenting on public statements. By the way, putting personal conversations on the public screen is a little misunderstood, you’ll try to write in a personal email, since it’s so “intimate” .you teach how to write in PM?
                Well, back to the topic, do you still think that the creation of a rescue service for their soldiers is a deflection under Israel and is on a par with the crimes of the SS troops?
                1. domovoi
                  domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 49 New
                  -5
                  How is this article related to the creation of such a service in the Russian Federation? throw off, maybe a link where it says, they say, according to the experience of Israel, a similar service will be created in the Russian Federation? And if not, it means it's just propaganda of the Israeli army - they say look how everything is clear with us, and you have shit
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 28 August 2013 21: 01 New
                    +1
                    Have you read the site rules? Well, for fun, at least?
                  2. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 28 August 2013 21: 12 New
                    +1
                    you know what your problem is, brownie. I understand what you say (at times), because you yourself thought so when you were little and stupid. but you don’t understand what I say, because they are stupid (unfortunately)
                    but the worst thing is you are not even able to answer questions asked in "your language."
                    for example, you propose (in another topic) to strike at Qatar and the SA, but if you ask the question, who are you? Commander-in-chief? Have you ever given orders to destroy another state?
                    you will be cast off and stupid as usual.
                    you will have a question “what’s it for?”. I can easily answer, “how does this article relate to the creation of such a service in the Russian Federation?”
      2. il grand casino
        il grand casino 28 August 2013 17: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: domovoi
        What are you! Only Jews can be licked here. They are the most developed, the most warring and in general - the very most army of all time.

        From the moment of its foundation, the Israeli army never stopped military operations once ... every day somewhere military operations take place. It is a fact. This makes her one of the most warring. And I’ll lick an ass ... well, if someone likes it ... there are different sexual perversions ... here you remembered them ... I would not even have thought, the right word
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 15 New
          -3
          So what? almost all African countries have been fighting for decades. about perversions - if you are not familiar with this stable expression, then this is your problem. and if you so decide to show off a sense of humor - x * exactly you have with him fool
          1. Rumata
            Rumata 28 August 2013 20: 20 New
            +2
            Quote: domovoi
            almost all African countries have been fighting for decades.

            “Left, I won’t be soon” (Logic)
            1. Dober
              Dober 28 August 2013 21: 04 New
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              Quote: Rumata
              “Left, I won’t be soon” (Logic)

              “But I expectedly came, primitive and intrusive.” (Yumor)
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 28 August 2013 21: 31 New
                +1
                Quote: Dober
                “But I expectedly came, primitive and intrusive.” (Yumor)

                Aport!
                1. Dober
                  Dober 28 August 2013 21: 47 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Rumata
                  Aport!

                  This is also expected. He knew that Jews were so “uncomplicated," but that was purely primitive.
                  Although...
                  Quote -
                  "I'm still a man, and the whole animal is not alien to me ..." Don Rumata.
                  We'll have to explain, hint - Strugatsky.

                  So the spoken command “to your brother” is very familiar. Perform at a time. Then an encore. 4 years ...
                  1. Rumata
                    Rumata 28 August 2013 23: 59 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Dober
                    "I'm still a man, and the whole animal is not alien to me ..." / Don Rumata /.
                    We'll have to explain, hint - Strugatsky.

                    In this situation, I agree with this quote -
                    We have an unprecedented endurance: we are able to withstand the outpouring of hopeless nerds (It's hard to be a god)
                  2. Pimply
                    Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 32 New
                    +2
                    And about "your brother" - you can in more detail. Which one?
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                      1. Pimply
                        Pimply 29 August 2013 12: 41 New
                        +1
                        Bravo! Anything else? 8)
  • pogis
    pogis 28 August 2013 17: 28 New
    +1
    Article plus! They have a lot to learn!
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 28 August 2013 18: 28 New
    -1
    I read the article - once again strengthened the opinion that Israel is the most Israeli Israel in the world.
    And the United States is far from him, and Naglia, I am silent about Russia in general, the EU in general is not around. The whole world - take an example from Israel, the Jews teach how to live!
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 28 August 2013 18: 31 New
      +2
      Yes, it’s to blame that you understand the article ... I understand it this way - the IDF has something to learn and what to adopt in order to make the Russian army better ... if you really like Israel that:
      Quote: Native American Joe
      once again strengthened the view that Israel is the most Israeli Israel in the world

      THAT are your problems ... most of those present here don’t think so ... donkeys they certainly know how to think
      1. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 28 August 2013 19: 50 New
        0
        I somehow understood the article, with this I do not, as well as Israel and others. It is a pity that you did not understand my statement. However, I didn’t speak out at all for people like you (do not consider it a personalization), so it’s not surprising that you didn’t enter the meaning of the phrase.
    2. domovoi
      domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 37 New
      -3
      Joe, you shouldn’t say that. Now slabbers will run over and throw you with concrete arguments that Jews should not be offended, they should be listened to and learn everything from them.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 45 New
        0
        strange, you reproached me for getting into other people's conversations, and you obsessively attach yourself to a person who is not talking to you)) you are two-faced. or just stupid. and maybe both. Unfortunately I can not say for sure, because fortunately I do not know you personally
        1. domovoi
          domovoi 28 August 2013 18: 51 New
          -6
          Joe didn’t have a dialogue with someone, but a statement. the difference is clear, hope? and in general, frarook, would you go .. to Israel
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer 28 August 2013 18: 55 New
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            Something you’ve gotten rid of rudeness early. Arguments aren’t enough? Well, nothing, it happens from idiocy. Read more, think, comprehend and analyze. Or play checkers (option "chapaev") the most for you at your level of intelligence
            1. domovoi
              domovoi 28 August 2013 19: 28 New
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              to you to specify the direction again? It’s pointless for you to explain anything. Go away from the professor or pimply adopt experience.
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 28 August 2013 19: 40 New
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                to explain it wasn’t pointless, you need to have a semantic concept about the issue under discussion. while your timid attempts to understand the text rest in the absence of gray matter. I understand you’re hard to think, maybe you even experience headaches and burning in the anus, but I dare to assure you, as soon as you get used to thinking all the negative factors will pass, the joy of life and positive in communication will appear.
                1. domovoi
                  domovoi 28 August 2013 19: 49 New
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                  maybe you’ll understand the third time - GTFO laughing
                  1. fartfraer
                    fartfraer 28 August 2013 20: 05 New
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                    I see you are fluent in the language) where does this experience come from, don’t you tell me? is your American husband?
            2. Dober
              Dober 28 August 2013 21: 22 New
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              Quote: fartfraer
              Well, nothing, it happens from stupidity. Read more, think, comprehend and analyze. Or play checkers (option "Chapaev") the most for you with your level of intelligence

              But doesn’t the Moscow itself squeeze? Or "fartfraer" this is Wasserman or Perelman, or Zuckerberg, Kuhlman, Whatman, Pruzhiner, Kalsoner / underline /.
              But judging by the grammar of an ordinary schoolboy ...
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer 28 August 2013 21: 27 New
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                no, it’s not squeezing. however, as it seems to you. by the way, I can point out a mistake in your "impeccable" opinion - I graduated from school in 1999, so I haven’t been a shkololo (a strange word, but I accept lingo clear to you) .By the way I would be grateful if you indicate the mistakes made so as not to repeat them in the future.
      2. The Indian Joe
        The Indian Joe 28 August 2013 19: 58 New
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        slabbers will run over and throw you with concrete arguments that Jews should not be offended, they should be listened to and learn everything from them.
        - already the first are being pulled up.
        In general, there is something to be learned from very many, including Jews.
        I personally learn that the greatest stupidity is the statement that you are "the most", and pushing this opinion in the media, forums, comments, articles, or translations of articles ...
        But the Jews themselves, it seems, did not learn nifiga. Even the Holocaust for them was not a lesson that you can’t claim your superiority over the “goyim”, but just an excuse to pump your muscles, making your ass even trickier.
        But, as my company officer said, "To the cunning ... new ... there will always be a bolt with a left-hand thread."
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer 28 August 2013 20: 04 New
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          I fully agree with your comment, Indian)
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 28 August 2013 21: 04 New
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          Quote: Native American Joe
          I personally learn that the greatest stupidity is the statement that you are "the most", and pushing this opinion in the media, forums, comments, articles, or translations of articles ...
          But the Jews themselves, it seems, did not learn nifiga. Even the Holocaust for them was not a lesson that you can’t claim your superiority over the “goyim”, but just an excuse to pump your muscles, making your ass even trickier

          Who has something hurts ... The funny thing is - you are not trying to look at the article as a whole as someone else's experience. You have a flag - an article about Jews. And that’s all. Wedge.
          1. The Indian Joe
            The Indian Joe 29 August 2013 10: 38 New
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            I read the article. Yes, the service for searching for the dead and missing in Israel has been set up clearly, in Ukraine, single enthusiasts are doing this, and you have it put on its feet by the state - that’s the whole difference.
            But two things always infuriate me.
            The first one is when the rich rich man starts to tell how clearly and richly he lives, how cool he is, how everything is clearly organized with him, and that's because he, as he says, is better than others.
            The second is nationalists (you, in my mind, are also nationalists). However, no one likes Natsik, not even Natsik themselves.
            1. Professor
              29 August 2013 11: 21 New
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              Quote: Native American Joe
              I read the article. Yes, the service for searching for the dead and missing in Israel has been set up clearly, in Ukraine, single enthusiasts are doing this, and you have it put on its feet by the state - that’s the whole difference.

              You are always inattentive. In Ukraine, no one is looking for missing fighters on the battlefield. The article is not only and not so much about the missing in a long past war, but the search for the missing, wounded, etc. in real time, and methodically using modern technology.

              Quote: Native American Joe
              But two things always infuriate me.

              Drink some water and do not freak out. The things you mentioned are a) incorrect, b) are not related to the article.
              1. The Indian Joe
                The Indian Joe 29 August 2013 22: 21 New
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                In Ukraine, no one is looking for missing soldiers on the battlefield
                - learn materiel, are engaged. I'm talking about search engines looking for the remains of Soviet (and sometimes German) soldiers who died during the Second World War. And since Ukraine is not at war with anyone, there is no need for such a service like yours, although the same search engines should help.

                The things you mentioned are a) incorrect, b) are not related to the article
                - I have seen enough of the nationalists-Bandera to recognize the Jewish nationalist, or Zionist - which is not so different from one another. Well, that this is not related to the article - I agree with you.
                1. Professor
                  29 August 2013 22: 36 New
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                  Quote: Native American Joe
                  learn materiel, are engaged. I'm talking about search engines looking for the remains of Soviet (and sometimes German) soldiers who died during the Second World War. And since Ukraine is not at war with anyone, there is no need for such a service like yours, although the same search engines should help.

                  And as always, you are "not attentive", or rather not in the subject. I repeat again for those who did not understand the first time. The article is not about searching for the missing in the War of Independence of the 1948 reptile (they are also searched, but the state also deals with this in another way and by the way), but about searching for the missing in real time, almost during the battle. Well, who is doing this in Ukraine? So to learn materiel, in this case for you.

                  Quote: Native American Joe
                  Well, that this is not related to the article - I agree with you.

                  then stop this flood and wait for the appropriate topic. There you will cry for the Zionist nationalists.

                  PS
                  How is it on the Su-24 with volumetric detonating bombs in the ammunition? Have you got it? Rhetorical question. wink

                  PPS
                  And since Ukraine is not at war with anyone, there is no need for such a service like yours,

                  Why does Ukraine need an army and a navy? Judging by your logic, Ukraine is not fighting with anyone?
      3. Pimply
        Pimply 28 August 2013 21: 02 New
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        Quote: domovoi
        Jews should not be offended, they should be listened to and learned everything from them.

        According to the rules of the site and the Criminal Code of both Russia and Ukraine - it is impossible. An article is if the Criminal Code, and a ban is if the site. You are on the right track, keep it up;)
        1. Dober
          Dober 28 August 2013 21: 31 New
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          Quote: Pimply
          According to the rules of the site and the Criminal Code of both Russia and Ukraine

          We arrived ...
          "If Jews are so prudent, then why didn't they learn how to breathe gas"
          "If the Jews are so smart, then why are they stupidly wedging on a constant howl about" articles "and other" heavenly punishments "to those whom they cannot ***."

          Well? Out of habit - is the drain counted?
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          1. Pimply
            Pimply 29 August 2013 12: 42 New
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            Quote: Native American Joe
            (the word describing you is recognized as literary in Ukraine)

            Not recognized if you are not in the know. And you are on the Russian resource.
            1. The Indian Joe
              The Indian Joe 29 August 2013 22: 30 New
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              So I am Russian, and you are only a Jew who imagines himself to be Russian - although you are only a Russian.
              As for the literary or not, the word that previously indicated (and in countries such as the Czech Republic, Poland, and now) your nationality - read: http://hvylya.org/news/slovo-zhid-byistrenko-priznali-literaturnyim-chtobyi- zamy
              at-skandal-s-miroshnichenko.html

              As we see, this word was used in literature by Shevchenko, Gogol, Franko, a number of other authors, in colloquial speech of ordinary Ukrainians, and was used by the Soviet government for some time. In short, learn the materiel, and do not argue about the realities of life in Ukraine, with a person who has been living in Ukraine all his life.

              And, I’ll clarify again - I am normal towards Jews. I have Jewish acquaintances, we are friends of families, help each other ... I just hate nationalists like you, no matter what nation they belong to.
              1. Professor
                30 August 2013 13: 08 New
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                Quote: Native American Joe
                And, I’ll clarify again - I am normal towards Jews. I have Jewish friends, we are friends of families, we help each other ...

                Classic, in Hebrew there is even a proverb (may the moderators forgive me) חבריי הכי טובים הם יהודם translated: "Jews are among my best friends." A banal excuse for a hidden anti-Semite. Tell me, are you friends of families with Jews, and what is their Jewishness expressed in? Are you and them on the Day of Doomsday fried lamb shish kebabs, pies for jam baked pies on dogs, do you arrange dances together on the ninth of Av? What makes you think that they are Jews?
                1. The Indian Joe
                  The Indian Joe 30 August 2013 18: 56 New
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                  You, Professor, have mixed Jews with Jews. As far as I know, a Jew is not necessarily a Jew.
                  Their (these of my friends) Jewry is expressed in their origin, nationality and self-identification. But they don’t celebrate Jewish traditional holidays. Yes, and celebrating or not celebrating holidays and religious rites does not make a person belong to a particular nationality.
                  For example, I’m Russian, but I don’t celebrate Shrovetide, various religious holidays, don’t wear a braid, don’t fasten, and so on - will you deny me the right to be called Russian? )
                  "Jews are among my best friends." A banal excuse for a hidden anti-Semite.
                  - I will not comment on the nonsense in the future, but keep in mind for the future - I am an internationalist born in the USSR. For me there is not much difference between nations and races, but the political and religious beliefs of a person are extremely important. If it’s so important for you to put a label on me, you can safely call me an anti-Zionist. And if you want to continue to engage in slander, as is the case with Elena Gromova, you can continue to call me anti-Semite - your right to both have your own opinion and engage in self-deception.
                  1. Professor
                    30 August 2013 21: 44 New
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                    Quote: Native American Joe
                    As far as I know, a Jew is not necessarily a Jew.

                    You know bad. Do you think there are Jewish Buddhists, Muslim Jews? laughing

                    Quote: Native American Joe
                    Their (these of my friends) Jewry is expressed in their origin, nationality and self-identification.

                    That is, they do not adhere to their traditions (I don’t even ask about religion) ... so what is their self-identification in? What does it mean to be a Jew? Fifth Count and all?

                    Quote: Native American Joe
                    I am born in the USSR, an internationalist.

                    What are you saying? You are either Russian or internationalist. Again a split personality? You are an ordinary anti-Semite disguised as a mask of anti-Zionism.

                    Quote: Native American Joe
                    If it’s so important for you to put a label on me, you can safely call me an anti-Zionist.

                    I have long considered you an anti-Semite.

                    When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews.
                    Martin Luther King

                    ANTI-SEMITISM AND ANTI-ZIONISM

                    Is there a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism?
                    Theoretically, one can be tolerant of Catholics and, nevertheless, fight every day for the overthrow of the papacy. Theoretically, Methodists and Baptists can be respected ... and at the same time prohibit the distribution of their religious literature. In everyday practical life, such contradictions are impossible. You cannot be both an enemy of Zionism and a friend of the Jews.

                    Franklin H. Littel

                    Is there a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism?
                    1. The Indian Joe
                      The Indian Joe 31 August 2013 12: 43 New
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                      You know bad. In your opinion there are Jewish Buddhists, Muslim Jews
                      - why not? After all, there are Russians (British, Germans, etc.) Buddhists, Muslims - so why not Jews? And in general, you have freedom of religion in Israel, right? And a Jew does not have to be a believer and observe all the traditional Jewish holidays? Or is he obliged? If required - introduce me to the relevant Israeli law, I will be glad to expand my horizons.

                      What does it mean to be a Jew
                      - What does it mean to be Russian? What does it mean to be German, Ukrainian, Belarus, etc.? Self-identification is everything. But if you think that a man whose mother is Jewish, and he considers himself a Jew, is not a Jew just because he is an atheist and is not interested in any ethnographic traditions such as Jewish holidays, justify why you think so. After all, this will apply to all other people who consider themselves to belong to one or another nation, but do not observe its cultural traditions, and do not profess the religion traditional for this nation. For example, I - I am Russian, not Orthodox, do not follow Russian traditional holidays - according to your criteria, if I understand you correctly, can my "Russianness" be called into question?

                      You are either Russian or internationalist.
                      - this is a split personality, since you do not understand that Russian is a nationality, and an internationalist is an ideology. One does not interfere with the other, for example, how a Jew can simultaneously be homosexual.

                      You are an ordinary anti-Semite disguised as a mask of anti-Zionism.
                      - blah blah blah. You and Woland would try to convince him that it does not exist)

                      I have long considered you an anti-Semite.
                      “Yes, as you wish, Mr. Zionist.”

                      When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews.
                      Martin Luther King
                      - the quote said by the ancient classics is not necessarily true. In addition, the UN Resolution in 1975 equated Zionism with racism.

                      Is there a difference between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism
                      - of course it exists. See the definition of anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism on the Internet. In Ukraine, Bandera nationalists speak in a tone similar to you - “who is against Bandera is the enemy of Ukraine” - thereby posing the question as if Bandera is Ukraine, replacing concepts so that people automatically identify them with Ukraine. And now I see how you are trying to do the same thing, like all Jews are Zionists (compare with the lies of Ukrainian nationalists - "all Ukrainians are Bandera," the scheme is similar), and therefore, all who are against Zionists are actually anti-Semites (enemies all Jews).
                      Well, that’s your right, if you want to think so - consider it, but do not try to deceive others.

                      Tell me, did I understand correctly that Zionist = nationalist? Or will you try to assure me that a Zionist = patriot?
                      Why I ask - in Ukraine, Bandera also try to assure everyone that they are patriots ...
                      1. Professor
                        31 August 2013 14: 29 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        why not? After all, there are Russians (British, Germans, etc.) Buddhists, Muslims - so why not Jews?

                        By definition, no. As there is no Buddhist Muslim, so there can be no Jewish Christian. There are Muslims of Israel, but no Muslim Jew. Nationality in Israel Israelis (nationality-Israeli). A Jew who converted to Islam or another religion ceases to be a Jew.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        After all, this will apply to all other people who consider themselves to belong to one or another nation, but do not observe its cultural traditions, and do not profess the religion traditional for this nation.

                        Imagine that a Russian person does not know the Russian language at all, his history, his culture, his traditions, he has never been to Russia, but he is self-defined as "Russian." Rave. Same thing with a Jew.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        One does not interfere with the other, for example, how a Jew can simultaneously be homosexual.

                        Do not confuse soft with warm. Sexual orientation and nationality are not interconnected. Internationalnalist and nationalvalidity related.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        In addition, the UN Resolution in 1975 equated Zionism with racism.

                        You have a split, have I mentioned this already? You forgot about the resolution overriding this definition. Remind me?

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Well, that’s your right, if you want to think so - consider it, but do not try to deceive others.

                        This is not only my opinion. Among other things, denying the right of Jews to their state (anyway, as denying the right of Ukrainians or Russians to their state) you are a simple anti-Semite. A person denying the right of Russians to their state is a Russophobe.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Tell me, did I understand correctly that Zionist = nationalist? Or will you try to assure me that a Zionist = patriot?

                        A Zionist is one who believes that Jews should live in their country of Israel. And that’s all.
                      2. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 1 September 2013 11: 42 New
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                        As there is no Buddhist Muslim
                        - what nonsense? A Buddhist and a Muslim are a religion. Do you want to assure me that a Jew is a religion? wassat

                        A Jew who converted to Islam or another religion ceases to be a Jew
                        - that is, if a Jewish man is an atheist, he is no longer a Jew, right? A Jew is a follower of the religion of Judaism, yes. And a Jew is a follower of what religion, enlighten me?

                        Imagine that a Russian person does not know the Russian language at all, his history, his culture, his traditions, he has never been to Russia, but he is self-defined as "Russian"
                        - easy. Language does not determine nationality. Here I had another Jewish acquaintance, a former cop, an operative, we met at the anti-Bandera forum - so he went to Israel, now lives in Eilat. When he came to Israel, he did not know Jewish cultural traditions. He did not know Hebrew. By the way, a lot of Jews in the world now don’t know him. And what, he from this ceased to be a Jew? Did he forget his origin?

                        In general, this is your phrase “Imagine that a Russian person does not know ...” do you know what reminded me? My argument is with the nationalist Bandera, who argued with foam at the mouth that since Eastern Ukrainians do not speak Ukrainian, they are not Ukrainians, but Russians, and do not care that they consider themselves to be Ukrainians. My objections that “my wife speaks Russian and identifies herself as Ukrainian” were rejected immediately, without clear logical arguments. It is funny that the arguments of the nationalists, it turns out, are the same throughout the world - that of Bandera, that of the Jewish.

                        Internationalist and nationality connected
                        - nonsense. Read the definition of nationality: "Nationality is a term for a person to belong to a particular ethnic community."
                        Read the definition of internationalism:
                        "Internationalism is an ideology preaching friendship and cooperation between nations."

                        A person denying the right of Russians to their state is a Russophobe
                        - Oh, well, you don’t need to, who is not Russian, tell me, a Russian living in Ukraine, to tell what Russophobia is. No Russophobes reject the right of Russians to have their own state. All Russophobia boils down to one thing: "Russians should go to Russia and not try to indicate how to live, and not use the Russian language in Ukraine (unless at home, in the kitchen)."

                        As for the dispute about who the Zionist is, I accept Satanovsky’s definition - "a Zionist is the one who gives money to the state of Israel and lobbies for its interests at home." For example, Pupyrchaty is not only a nationalist like you, but also a Zionist.
                        And do not try to unite into one current anti-Semites - those who are against all Semites in general and Jews in particular, and anti-Zionists - those who are against Israeli interference in the affairs of other countries.
                      3. Professor
                        3 September 2013 21: 14 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        what nonsense? A Buddhist and a Muslim are a religion. Do you want to assure me that a Jew is a religion?

                        You are talking nonsense, learn materiel or give me an example of at least one Muslim Jew or explain how you can become a Jew by going through a giyur.

                        that is, if a Jewish man is an atheist

                        You, as usual, have no idea what you're talking about. This is not surprising. The atheist Jew is still a Jew (ehudi), and the Muslim Jew is no longer a Jew (muslim).

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        oh, well, you don’t need to, who is not Russian, tell me, a Russian living in Ukraine, to tell what Russophobia is.

                        you personally need to be taught and taught since the level of your knowledge is very low, which is typical of the vast majority of anti-Semites.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Zionist is the one who gives money to the state of Israel

                        A million Israeli Arabs pay money to the Zionist state of Israel and lobby for its interests at home (they elect their deputies to the Zionist parliament). I did not know that they were Zionists ...

                        You are an ignoramus, learn what the Zionist movement is and what its goals are.
                      4. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 4 September 2013 12: 09 New
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                        That is, a Jew, this is still a religion, not a nationality, did I understand you correctly?

                        Although, as you said, there is an exception - fuck, right? So, my acquaintance Jewish atheist is just the hell, and it turns out that the Jew is still a nationality? You already decide there somehow.
                        And, you did not answer about Jews who do not know their native language, many cultural traditions that are not Jews, but nonetheless self-identifying themselves as Jews. I'm afraid that you will not answer - you, my friend, are an ordinary demagogue.

                        you personally need to be taught and taught as the level of your knowledge is very low
                        - it’s strange to hear about Russophobia such a remark from you, a person who understands the issue of Russophobia much less than me, a Russian who has lived all his life in Bandera Ukraine, than you who have never been to Ukraine, and never live Bandera did not give. You, with your infinite impudence, would not be ashamed to learn how to swim a fish - although you turned out to be as ignorant in many matters as others in some areas of knowledge.
                      5. Professor
                        4 September 2013 15: 10 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        That is, a Jew, this is still a religion, not a nationality, did I understand you correctly?

                        The anti-Semite who was not prepared now has gone bored ... sad By the way, you are the same anti-Semite as the same Bendera, no difference.
                        A Jew is both nationality and religion.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        And, you did not answer about Jews who do not know their native language, many cultural traditions that are not Jews, but nonetheless self-identifying themselves as Jews. I'm afraid that you will not answer - you, my friend, are an ordinary demagogue.

                        Representatives of many nationalities identified themselves as Jews (for example, in South America, India and Africa, and the USA), but they did not become Jews from this. The giyur will pass and become Jews (that’s “laughter” for anti-Semites, because they don’t have a drop of Semitic blood).

                        Self-identification is not enough.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        You with your infinite impudence would not be shy

                        I already wrote to you that you are too few on the site to make any conclusions. I lived in Ukraine for many years, studied there and served in the Navy on its territory. Moreover, my Ukrainian passport is not expired yet ... So I do not know by hearsay what is happening in Ukraine. About the fact that I know the Ukrainian language to mention?
                      6. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 5 September 2013 11: 00 New
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                        A Jew is both nationality and religion.
                        - "Your religion? - Jew ..." laughing

                        Listen, why then is Jewishism not on the list of the world's major religions? Is there Judaism, but not Judaism? Something you confuse.

                        but they didn’t become Jews from this
                        - did not become Israelis, you wanted to say? My friend said that if you would tell him that he is not a Jew, in the face, he would give you an eye (he jokes, he does not hit anyone, because he is engaged in wrestling and prefers shots and choking grabs). But in general - please, give sources that indicate that only Jewry (religion) and nationality belonging to religion can be considered Jewish. And then you, nationalists, love to lie, and when they ask for evidence, you crawl out into the bushes. If in AUTHORITY sources recognized by the world, this will be written, then I admit my mistake, no problem. Everyone is wrong, and I and you, right?

                        It is significant that in the United States a Jew who wants to be realized in his Jewry must somehow relate to the synagogue. What if his synagogue does not meet the standards accepted in Judaism or if he is a principled atheist? The American response to this is as paradoxical as it is simple. In any case, you must create your own synagogue. It doesn't matter what it will be. In conditions of freedom of conscience, all types of synagogues have the right to an equal existence and the most popular will be those who win fair competition. Thus, we encounter amazing phenomena among American Jews - for example, homosexual synagogues, despite the fact that this form of sexual behavior of the Torah itself is equated with mortal sin. The atheist synagogue in Detroit looks even stranger. It has a rabbi (!) Who assures his parishioners that there is no God.
                        - Did you mean this when you claimed that a Jew is both religion and nationality? "What do you believe in? - I believe in atheism!" ))))

                        I lived in Ukraine for many years, studied there and served in the Navy on its territory. Moreover, my Ukrainian passport is not expired yet ... So I do not know by hearsay what is happening in Ukraine
                        - I'm afraid that it is firsthand. You lived in Ukraine during the Soviet era, or in the days after its collapse, when no one heard about any Russophobia. You served in places where no Russophobes could exist - Crimea, Odessa, and so on. But I grew up and live in the WESTERN regions of the country - where exactly this Russophobia blooms and smells, moreover, there are already Freedom cells in the same Odessa, Russian Donetsk, and, they say, even in Sevastopol, so in our time it spread to a significant part of Ukraine. In a word, you are far from the Ukrainian realities, and your declared "knowledge" of the language will not help you here.
                        And you can let someone wipe your Ukrainian passport - after you receive Israeli or other citizenship, after two years, as far as I remember the law, it automatically loses its strength. You are no longer a citizen of Ukraine - since the legislation of the country has dual citizenship FORBIDDEN.
                      7. Professor
                        5 September 2013 13: 31 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Listen, why then is Jewishism not on the list of the world's major religions? Is there Judaism, but not Judaism? Something you confuse.

                        Finish doing sophistry. These are the costs of the Russian language. In Hebrew there is no difference between a Jew and a Jew; one word is used. Having accepted Christianity, Larisa Dolina, for example, has ceased to be Jewish, a person who has passed the giyur becomes a Jew regardless of who his parents were ..

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        didn’t become Israelis, you mean?

                        No dear, namely the Jews. Kushim ha-hevrim, the American sect who considers itself Jewish lives in Israel, many have Israeli citizenship, but they never became Jews. Throughout history, many nations have claimed to be descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. For example, Bnei Menashe from India, but they did not become Jews from this.


                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        But in general - please, give sources that indicate that only Jewry (religion) and nationality belonging to religion can be considered Jewish.

                        With your level of knowledge, start with a wiki.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        You lived in Ukraine during the Soviet era, or in the days after its collapse, when no one heard about any Russophobia. You served in places where no Russophobes could exist - Crimea, Odessa, and so on.

                        Are you clairvoyant? wassat
                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        And you can let someone wipe your Ukrainian passport - after you receive Israeli or other citizenship, after two years, as far as I remember the law, it automatically loses its strength. You are no longer a citizen of Ukraine - since dual citizenship is PROHIBITED by the laws of the country.

                        You, as always, are not in the subject. We heard a jingle, but don’t know where it is. There is no dual citizenship in Ukraine, so what? I can’t vote outside of Ukraine, that’s all. request
                        Like for you. You come to the consulate of Ukraine, let's say in Germany, you get registered at the consular office for $ 100, put in the passport the mark "Citizen of Ukraine permanently residing abroad" and that’s it. You live at least 100 years abroad. You can have 10 more citizenships, Ukraine is not interested. Update your passport and so on. You can withdraw from the consular registration and return to Ukraine while retaining the remaining citizenship. This is se la vi. wink
                      8. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 6 September 2013 10: 32 New
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                        Jews did not become
                        - you know, all of these your arguments, who is Jewish and who is not, is the same as statements by Ukrainian nationalists who consider some citizens of Ukraine to be Ukrainians, and others to deny this right. From the point of view of one part of the Jewish “ummah,” some are Jews, others are not; from the other part of the Jewish “ummah,” Jews are all who consider themselves to be such. For some reason, you want me to accept the point of view of one of the parties. Thank you, I have my own point of view, and leave your arguments to your nationalists.

                        You can withdraw from the consular registration and return to Ukraine while retaining the remaining citizenship.
                        - You will keep Ukrainian exactly until the authorities become aware of your other citizenships. But if you, a non-citizen of Ukraine (you do not have a passport), decide to come to the country and prove to everyone that you have Ukrainian citizenship - well, scammers and deceivers at all times have been successfully deceiving the state for some time.

                        You lived in Ukraine during the Soviet era, or in the days after its collapse, when no one heard about any Russophobia. You served in places where no Russophobes could exist - Crimea, Odessa, and so on.

                        Are you clairvoyant?
                        - Tell us if there is a fleet in PrikVO. Traditionally, in those places where the fleet was located - in coastal cities - there were no Russophobes, you, professor, have never encountered Russophobia, this is simple logic. How long have you lived, say, in Ternopol, in Ivano-Frankivsk? Yes, not at all, I doubt that you were there at all. When was the last time you read the regional newspaper of any of the cities in the Western region of Ukraine? When was the last time you spoke with your Ukrainian “colleague”, a nationalist with a Bandera bias? And I spent a lot of time in these parts, and, just as a local resident, I know much more about you about the moods and atmospheres of these places, no matter how much you would like to make yourself an “expert” in this field ...
                      9. Professor
                        6 September 2013 17: 19 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        you know, all these your arguments, who is Jewish and who is not

                        it’s not mine, it’s according to halakhah and the laws of the Jewish state.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        From the point of view of one part of the Jewish "Ummah"

                        "Uma" is in Arabic and has nothing to do with Jews. Understood with self-identification?

                        Judaizers are groups of different ethnic origin, professing or seeking to practice Judaism (often its peculiar form) and considering themselves to be part of the Jews:
                        Subbotniks of Central Russia, Siberia and Transcaucasia;
                        Proselites from San Nicandro (Italy)
                        Bnei Menashe of the Indian states of Mizoram and Manipur and the Burmese state of Chin;
                        Telugu-lingual Bnei Efraim (English) Russian. in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, converted to Judaism in 1981;
                        abayuday (English) Russian. in Uganda;
                        black jews
                        House of Israel (Ghana)
                        Jews Igbo (Nigeria)
                        Jews Rusape (Zimbabwe)
                        nai (india)
                        knanaya (English) Russian. (India)
                        secler subbotniks (English) Russian. (dog mate) (Transylvania)
                        Karaites and Krymchaks (Crimea)
                        Bantu-speaking Lemba in South Africa and Zimbabwe; and etc.
                        Finally, on the periphery of the Jewish ethnos are ethno-confessional groups of Karaites and Samaritans. The latter are not considered by Jews as part of the Jewish people.


                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        - you will keep Ukrainian exactly until the authorities become aware of your other citizenships.

                        The authorities have long known this. Return to planet earth.

                        But if you, a non-citizen of Ukraine

                        I have a valid document confirming my Ukrainian citizenship. Drink some water and calm down. wassat

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        tell me if there is a fleet in PrikVO

                        Can't you read Russian?
                        Quote: Professor
                        I am in Ukraine lived for many years, studied there and in the navy in its territory served
                      10. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 7 September 2013 14: 14 New
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                        Professor, Ukraine is big - you, I see, did not understand that in different places it has different attitudes towards Russians. I take the liberty of claiming that you neither studied nor lived in Western Ukraine.

                        Finally, on the periphery of the Jewish ethnos are ethno-confessional groups of Karaites and Samaritans. The latter are not considered by Jews as part of the Jewish people.
                        - Well, everything is the same as I said - one part of the Jewish people do not consider the other part of the Jewish people to be Jews, this is the point of view “from the inside” of one ethnic group.
                        And from the point of view “from the side” - the rest of the nations, not to say humanity, some Jews do not recognize other Jews as Jews, that's all ...
                        By the way, I spoke with another Jew yesterday, she didn’t go through the giyur, she didn’t read the torus, she acknowledges the existence of God, but that’s all. She considers herself Jewish, even though you are crying ... I’ll go and explain to her that in fact, she is not Jewish, but her self-identification, according to such authoritative sources as Halakh, the Jewish state and the Professor - “to the bulb”.

                        I have a valid document confirming my Ukrainian citizenship
                        - it is de jure already invalid, because you are a citizen of Israel ... And you can wipe this document with a document.
                        P. S. I know what ummah is and from what language this word is.
                      11. Professor
                        7 September 2013 14: 55 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Professor, Ukraine is big - you, I see, did not understand that in different places it has different attitudes towards Russians. I take the liberty of claiming that you neither studied nor lived in Western Ukraine.

                        Now I don’t live in Ukraine, although I’ve been there quite often, so you most likely know its realities.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Well, everything is the same as I said - one part of the Jewish people do not consider the other part of the Jewish people to be Jews, this is the point of view "from within" one ethnic group.

                        Again you are talking nonsense. for the hundredth time: self-identification is not enough. Tomorrow the tribe in Tanzania will decide that they are Russian while not knowing either the language, culture or history of Russia. And when they are asked: "Excuse me, why on earth?" then those who ask immediately need to be compared with Bandera?

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        She considers herself Jewish, even though you are crying ...

                        Everything, I decided to consider myself a Japanese. Go prove now that I'm not Japanese. wink

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        it is de jure already invalid, because you are a citizen of Israel ... And you can wipe this document with a document.

                        You demonstrate your amateurism again. I was at a reception at the Consul of Ukraine (the official representative of the country, not like you) and confirmed in writing that my Ukrainian citizenship is valid despite the presence of other citizenships. That's it.
                        Permanent Consular Accounting

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        P. S. I know what ummah is and from what language this word is.

                        I am glad about you. And how does this Arabic concept relate to the topic under discussion?
                      12. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 10 September 2013 13: 45 New
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                        so you probably know her realities.
                        - I assure you, specifically in matters of Russophobia the way it is.

                        Tomorrow the tribe in Tanzania will decide that they are Russian while not knowing either the language, culture or history of Russia.
                        - Jews are also an origin. Russians too. If this tribe proves that they are descendants of Russian immigrants - know the problems. In Russia, they are not nationalists; they don’t look at the color of skin, language, cultural traditions, religion and the structure of the skull.

                        So yes, self-identification is not enough - origin is also important. All of my Jewish acquaintances went from ancient Lviv clans who accidentally survived the Bandera and German purges - and the fact that they are not believers is such a thing.

                        I was at a reception at the Consul of Ukraine (an official representative of the country, not like you) and confirmed in writing that my Ukrainian citizenship is valid despite the presence of other citizenships.
                        - so as not to be unfounded, the law of Ukraine on citizenship:

                        ... I’m special, I’ve scored a huge Ukrainian population and filed a declaration
                        about vіdmovu vіd іnozemnogo grudanstva, zobov'yazutsya turn
                        passport of a foreign country to the new authorities of a state. ...

                        The grounds for loss of Ukrainian citizenship are:

                        1) Voluntarily Nabuttya a huge Ukrainian Ukrainians
                        Inshop power, at the time of such a moment, there was no reason for it.

                        Volunteer nabuttyam ogshtanstva Іншої power go in
                        all vipadki, if the Ukrainian population for the achievement of large numbers
                        Іншої powers are guilty of buv to be covered із by a statement chi klopotannyam about
                        also nabutty vidpovidno to the order established by the national
                        by the legislation of the state, the bulk of society is nabuto. ...
                        “So it looks like you didn’t tell the consul that you have citizenship of another country.” Or the consul made a direct violation of the citizenship law.
                      13. Professor
                        11 September 2013 11: 51 New
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                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Jews are the origin

                        Let us dwell on the fact that the Jews themselves must decide who is part of their people and who is not.

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        so as not to be unfounded, the law of Ukraine on citizenship:

                        There are interpretations and loopholes in any law. For this, the "Permanent Consular Accounting" was invented. It is used by citizens of Ukraine constantly those living outside it, about the overwhelming majority, also have local citizenship. There are tens of thousands of such Ukrainian citizens in Israel alone. None of them conceal the existence of Israeli or other citizenship without which in Israel they would not be allowed to live "permanently."

                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        “So it looks like you didn’t tell the consul that you have citizenship of another country.” Or the consul made a direct violation of the citizenship law.

                        First, reported and presented,
                        Secondly, like me tens of thousands,
                        Third, does the consul in Germany and Canada violate Ukrainian law? laughing
                      14. The Indian Joe
                        The Indian Joe 12 September 2013 23: 08 New
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                        Let's dwell on the fact that the Jews themselves must decide who is part of their people and who is not
                        - Well, here are the Jews who are not believers, and consider themselves part of the Jewish people, and they do not care that the Jews, who are Jewish, do not consider them part of the Jewish people. And I accept their point of view that you do not like?
                      15. Professor
                        13 September 2013 09: 18 New
                        0
                        Quote: Native American Joe
                        Well, here are the Jews who are not believers, and consider themselves part of the Jewish people, and they do not care that the Jews, who are Jewish, do not consider them part of the Jewish people. And I accept their point of view that you do not like?

                        I repeat, the Jews themselves decide who belongs to their people and who does not. For example, these self-identified as Jews, although they are absolutely not such, but you can consider them Jews.

                        Close groups
                        On the basis of religion, the so-called. crypto Jews and Judaizers.
                        Crypto Jews are descendants of Jews forcibly converted to Christianity or Islam, who continued to secretly profess elements of Judaism and preserve elements of a transformed Jewish everyday culture:
                        Maranas (“New Christians”) on the Iberian Peninsula, the southern United States, Latin America and the Philippines. Nowadays, they partially join the Jewish communities of their countries or are moving to Israel. The most compact group of maranas has been preserved in the city of Belmonte in Portugal;
                        shuetes (English) Russian. - descendants of baptized Jews of the Balearic Islands;
                        Jadids and Chalas in Iran and Central Asia, formally considered Muslims, but preserving elements of Jewish culture in everyday life;
                        beta-abraham (Ethiopia)
                        neophytology (English) Russian. (southern Italy)
                        Dönme in Turkey.
                        Judaizers are groups of different ethnic origin, professing or seeking to practice Judaism (often its peculiar form) and considering themselves to be part of the Jews:
                        Subbotniks of Central Russia, Siberia and Transcaucasia;
                        Proselites from San Nicandro (Italy)
                        Bnei Menashe of the Indian states of Mizoram and Manipur and the Burmese state of Chin;
                        Telugu-lingual Bnei Efraim (English) Russian. in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, converted to Judaism in 1981;
                        abayuday (English) Russian. in Uganda;
                        black jews
                        House of Israel (Ghana)
                        Jews Igbo (Nigeria)
                        Jews Rusape (Zimbabwe)
                        nai (india)
                        knanaya (English) Russian. (India)
                        secler subbotniks (English) Russian. (dog mate) (Transylvania)
                        Karaites and Krymchaks (Crimea)
                        Bantu-speaking Lemba in South Africa and Zimbabwe; and etc.
                        Finally, on the periphery of the Jewish ethnos are ethno-confessional groups of Karaites and Samaritans. The latter are not considered by Jews as part of the Jewish people.


                        http://www.mindspring.com/~jaypsand/ghana.htm
  • Dober
    Dober 28 August 2013 21: 16 New
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    Quote: domovoi
    Now slabbers will run over and throw you with concrete arguments that Jews should not be offended, they should be listened to and learn everything from them.

    They are already here (lisoids), but people on this thread were not marked. They bite on other topics, hug, spit on each other and "pour the beer into circles." In general LIVE.
    And then the Jews are engaged in voyeurism. Yes, let them have fun.
    I will not bother them. And it’s time for you to “take a break from military affairs”. Fight all day for just one phrase -

    "Zadolbali already write about this Israel ..." Professor "spoiled the whole site with his stupid propaganda"
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 28 August 2013 23: 07 New
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      My respect, Dober hi
      1. Dober
        Dober 29 August 2013 02: 25 New
        -1
        Similarly, Brownie hi
  • Rumata
    Rumata 28 August 2013 20: 33 New
    +1
    The brownie and Joe have a terrible priest in pain, thank God Ruslanchik has not yet pulled himself up. I see nothing wrong with learning from the experience of other armies. For example, after the terrorist attack in Beslan, Yamam trained exactly the same situation as it was there. Since, in many ways, the terrorist attack in Beslan was different from the previous ones, they worked out how the special forces worked and how Yamam acted, they adopted something, brought something of their own.
    Also from examples I know, this is the IDF sniper school. After they took on a contract several snipers who were professionally engaged in this in the Russian Federation, they began to turn this entire school upside down, and as a result, almost everything changed. And no matter how nervous the Old Man and Co. from Varonline (who took part in this reform), the experience was partially adopted, the training and reception changed, the tactics were adjusted, and it all started not from officials and generals, but from the personal initiative of several people. So the argument is "Are you an official?" walking in the forest ...
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 28 August 2013 21: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: domovoi
    Quote: fartfraer
    at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

    I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?


    67th and 73rd all saw

    the whole Arab world was bent on cancer alone. Of course, the United States greatly helped the Jews, but the USSR also helped the Arabs. And the little country bent everyone !! Namely all: Syria, Egypt, Jordan and volunteers from Iraq, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya. I repeat all. For the Jews, this was then when for us the Great Patriotic War and their homeland were defended.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 00: 33 New
      +1
      In 1967, the United States (in terms of a state allied to Israel) was not yet. In 1973, weapons from the United States began to arrive after the war.
  • de bouillon
    de bouillon 28 August 2013 21: 09 New
    0
    Quote: domovoi
    Quote: fartfraer
    at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

    I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?


    67th and 73rd all saw

    the whole Arab world was bent on cancer alone. Of course, the United States greatly helped the Jews, but the USSR also helped the Arabs. And the little country bent everyone !! Namely all: Syria, Egypt, Jordan and volunteers from Iraq, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya. I repeat all. For the Jews, this was then when for us the Great Patriotic War and their homeland were defended.
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  • anip
    anip 29 August 2013 06: 05 New
    +3
    History shows that the state of Israel is ready to do a lot to return its soldiers, even exclusively for funeral purposes.

    That is why Israel deserves the greatest respect. RF would have to learn from them.
  • Kadavercianin
    Kadavercianin 29 August 2013 13: 41 New
    +1
    Quote: de bouillon
    Quote: domovoi
    Quote: fartfraer
    at least adopt the experience and do better. for some reason, the screwdriver assembly is an auto-industrial breakthrough, and the study of someone else's positive experience is "Ugh!".

    I did not say that the screwdriver assembly of cars and other equipment is a breakthrough. and about experience - I’m saying, let’s post an article about what positive experience the SS had when they carried out the orders of the Führer, huh?


    67th and 73rd all saw

    the whole Arab world was bent on cancer alone. Of course, the United States greatly helped the Jews, but the USSR also helped the Arabs. And the little country bent everyone !! Namely all: Syria, Egypt, Jordan and volunteers from Iraq, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya. I repeat all. For the Jews, this was then when for us the Great Patriotic War and their homeland were defended.


    Regarding the bending of the Arabs in the Arab-Israeli wars, no matter how funny it sounds, but there is nothing surprising and paradoxical in this. My father told me about the Libyans and Egyptians while in Libya before the war he worked: lazy people do not tolerate when they are commanded (almost everyone wants to or try to do it themselves) and very, very quickly lose interest in everything (especially if they don’t get pleasure from it ) According to him, discipline in extreme situations lasts for a maximum of 5 days if in 3 days there was no success 80% of employees lose any desire to do something, and they wanted to spit that this should be done.

    You can certainly say that this is the opinion of one person and he is not an expert, but for some reason I believe my father, a former border guard, a military doctor who fought in Afghanistan.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 29 August 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      The Jordanians had the best training.
  • 0990391089
    0990391089 29 August 2013 16: 47 New
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    maladzi sto hi