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"We will not give anyone back the peace brought by Russia" - Ambassadors of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the Russian Federation

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"We will not give anyone back the peace brought by Russia" - Ambassadors of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the Russian Federation

Dmitry Medoev and Igor Akhba



For the South Ossetia and Abkhazia, recognition of the independence of Russia by 26 August 2008 for the South Ossetia and Abkhazia and what successes the republic has achieved since then, Ambassador of the Republic of South Ossetia in the Russian Federation Dmitry Medoev and Ambassador of the Republic of Abkhazia in the Russian Federation Igor Ahba told Voice of Russia

Guests:
Dmitry Nikolaevich Medoev - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Republic of South Ossetia in the Russian Federation (in the studio "Voices of Russia");
Igor Akhba - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary of the Republic of Abkhazia in the Russian Federation (by phone).
Presenters - Oleg Bulgak and Ksenia Sakurova.


Bulgak: Five years ago, Russia recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. It happened three weeks after the well-known events of 8 on August 2008, when Georgia attacked Tskhinval. Since then, the independence of the two former Georgian territories has been recognized by four more countries and several unrecognized states.

Sakurova: We are talking about the present and the future of the two independent republics. On the night of August 8 2008, Georgian troops attacked South Ossetia and destroyed part of Tskhinval. Russia, defending the inhabitants of South Ossetia, sent troops into the republic and, after five days of hostilities, ousted the Georgian military from the region. 26 August 2008 Russia recognized the independence of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

Bulgak: In response, Tbilisi broke off diplomatic relations with Moscow and declared the two Transcaucasian republics "occupied territories". Official diplomatic relations with South Ossetia and Abkhazia Russia established 9 on September 2008, when the foreign ministers exchanged relevant notes in Moscow. September 17 Russia 2008 has signed friendship and cooperation treaties with Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

In our studio, Dmitry Nikolaevich Medoev is the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of the Republic of South Ossetia in the Russian Federation. Dmitry Nikolaevich, hello, we congratulate you. 26 August you have a holiday - the fifth in a row.

Medoev: Yes, that's right. We celebrate the fifth anniversary of the recognition by the Russian Federation of the independence of the Republic of South Ossetia. Undoubtedly, this is a great holiday for us. One can even say that this is a day of victory - by this day the people of South Ossetia went their own way for a very long time.

On this way there were numerous difficulties, losses, deprivations. But fate decreed that it was in 2008 that the president of the Russian Federation recognized the state independence of our country by 1261 decree.

August 26 in Tskhinval and Moscow hosts events dedicated to this date. We expect many guests in the capital of our republic. All the people are preparing to celebrate this date. And, of course, in Moscow, we will also celebrate this anniversary. We are holding a reception on the occasion of this holiday, and together with the Embassy of Abkhazia. This date is the same for South Ossetia, for Abkhazia, and for Russia.

Bulgak: We have a direct link to the Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary Ambassador of the Republic of Abkhazia in the Russian Federation Igor Akhba. Igor Muratovich, we congratulate you on this holiday.

Ahba: Thank you. This is our common holiday. This is definitely a fateful decision and a great historical an event that predetermined the further development of our peoples, in particular the people of Abkhazia. With the recognition of the state independence of the Republic of Abkhazia, we can say that Abkhazia has become a full-fledged subject of international law. Recognition marked the transition to a new, completely different, level of relations between our states.

August 26 in Abkhazia - a holiday, non-working day. Solemn, cultural events are held, guests come, primarily from Russia. All fun. The people of Abkhazia take this decision with great gratitude and support it.

Bulgak: Igor Muratovich, Dmitry Nikolaevich told us that you are holding a joint reception - Abkhazia and South Ossetia together invite their guests in Moscow. Do you also invite official delegations to each other in your capitals?

Ahba: Absolutely. Here we hold a joint reception of the embassies of the Republic of South Ossetia and the Republic of Abkhazia in the Russian Federation, where representatives of the diplomatic corps, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, the Federal Assembly, prominent public and cultural figures, representatives of our diasporas living in Moscow are invited.

Very famous, famous people, representatives of both the political elite and prominent cultural figures come together in Abkhazia. There, as far as I know, there will be a big concert with the participation of Russian and Abkhaz art masters. This is a solemn and very happy event.

Bulgak: I appeal again to the Ambassador of South Ossetia, Dmitry Medoev. Dmitry Nikolaevich, we want to ask you about the tasks set by 5 years ago. As I understand it, during this time it is very difficult to take big steps as an independent state, but do you already have some important achievements? Already something to be proud of?

Medoev: Naturally. The most important achievement (and this, apparently, we must always say) is that the bloodshed was stopped by the decisions of 26 in August of 2008.

A number of intergovernmental agreements were signed after the big 17 agreement of September 2008. And it is precisely these agreements that regulate, for example, the security of South Ossetia, the protection of the state border with Georgia. This is a joint guard of the Ossetian and Russian border guards.

The main achievement is the world. The last 20 over the years in South Ossetia, which was in the economic blockade and information blockade, were very difficult times. They constantly fired, committed terrorist acts, took hostages. We were losing the best people completely suddenly - terrorism in Georgia was elevated to the rank of state policy.

After the decisions of 2008 of the year, after the border was taken under protection, when the soldiers of the Russian army, in accordance with the relevant intergovernmental agreement, defended the population of South Ossetia, peace was established. We no longer think about the dangers, what will happen tomorrow. We know for sure that we will not give this world away to anyone, we will stand for it.

Since 2008, we have freed up our strength in order to engage in peaceful labor. Now there is a process of restoring the economy destroyed by the war. You correctly noted that half of Tskhinval was wiped off the face of the earth. And this is only a city - and after all the attacks were on regional centers and other settlements.

I note one detail: from 1990 to 2008 years, Georgia systematically killed the economy of South Ossetia. It was not just a gunfire war. weapons. It was a large-scale operation to free the territory of South Ossetia from the Ossetians. The goal (and Saakashvili did not hide this) was just that.

Naturally, we still have to restore everything for a while. Although a lot has already been done - the main communications have been restored, communications between the regions of South Ossetia, new roads have been conducted.

All the fundamental works have been carried out so that the economy of South Ossetia and the country itself will stand on its feet. The restoration of the housing stock has been almost completed. And this process continues - every day the government of the republic with the help of the Russian Federation deals with issues of reconstruction.

Bulgak: Igor Muratovich, are there similar problems in Abkhazia, or do you have your own specifics?

Ahba: We experienced the same difficulties, we went through tragic events. At the cost of large losses, primarily human losses, we came to victory and to this important event - the recognition of Abkhazia as an independent state.

I have already said that five years ago Abkhazia became a full subject of international law. Then very important decisions were made. For example, 9 September 2008, diplomatic relations were established between Abkhazia and the Russian Federation, embassies were opened in Moscow and Sukhum, and ambassadors were appointed.

17 September of the same year was signed a framework agreement on friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance, which affected various aspects of the interaction of our states in the field of economy, social life, culture, education, and security.

The safety factor is a very important moment. Russia has been and remains the main guarantor of stability in our region, in our republic. Solved the key problem - the problem of the physical security of our people.

Relations between Russia and Abkhazia in the field of military cooperation, joint efforts to protect the state border are governed by the relevant interstate agreements.

The issue of security is a key one, and today in Abkhazia there is an even greater opportunity to build and build a peaceful life. By the way, there was a weather forecast on your broadcast, and I would like to say that the temperature of sea water in Abkhazia is 25 degrees, there are a lot of tourists. This is another sign of peaceful life in Abkhazia.

Bulgak: Vacationers primarily from Russia?

Ahba: Of course.

Sakurova: Dmitry Nikolaevich, a question for you. It is clear that now the situation in the republic has normalized. At least, we can talk about some kind of first stability. Now the republic faces the tasks of further development. If we talk about the vector of development, in what direction will your country continue to develop?

Medoev: Yes, you are absolutely right. Our agenda is the development of the South Ossetian economy, with a focus on agriculture and other sectors that were previously present in South Ossetia.

On the one hand, it should be noted that we have a big problem with this. On the other hand, during the stay of South Ossetia as a part of Soviet Georgia, the Georgian SSR did not invest at all in the development of the economy of South Ossetia - a special policy of outflow of the population from South Ossetia to other regions of Georgia was carried out. Our citizens could not get a job because there were no jobs.

Nevertheless, the industry that used to be in South Ossetia is gradually recovering. Now there is a very positive process - the former Soviet garment factory is being restored, these are Russian investments. About 200 jobs will be created, and this is the first swallow.

All this concerns the plans for the restoration of agriculture. Basically the republic was agrarian, we did not have big factories. In Soviet times, South Ossetia was considered a territory with good recreational opportunities. I want to note that the only territory where in such a small area only the studied and explored sources of mineral water are more than 250, that is, we have 250 different types of water. This is a huge potential.

There are also natural resources that South Ossetia is rich in. We will develop all this, all this is included in the investment programs. In 2008, an economic forum was held in South Ossetia. It is expected that in 2014, we will hold a second such conference in order to attract investors.

First of all, we count on investments from the Russian Federation, private investments of our fellow countrymen who have been successfully engaged in business in Russia for many years, who would like to come and invest certain funds in certain sectors of our economy. For us, the main task is to create jobs, employment. In ensuring this, we see a pledge of future development.

Sakurova: Igor Muratovich, what are the challenges facing your republic at present? What industries to develop in the coming years?

Akhba: At present, work is continuing between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Abkhazia in the direction of deepening cooperation in various fields. As you know, on August X, NUMX, President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin paid a working visit to Abkhazia. He met with President of the Republic Alexander Zolotinskovich Ankvab. At this meeting, a wide range of issues affecting bilateral relations was discussed.

The issue related to the socio-economic development of Abkhazia is highly relevant. You know that the Georgian-Abkhaz war unleashed by Georgia against Abkhazia caused an incalculable number of not only human victims, but also large material and cultural losses. The damage done to Abkhazia amounts to tens of billions of dollars.

In accordance with the signed agreement between Russia and Abkhazia on the socio-economic development of Abkhazia, great attention is paid to this issue. Russia is providing great assistance to Abkhazia in raising the socio-economic level of the population of the republic.

We feel the great support of the Russian Federation in the framework of a comprehensive plan, which provides for the development of various areas - health, culture, education, utilities, road construction, resort infrastructure.

Another priority is foreign policy, which is aimed at further international recognition of Abkhazia. After Russia, Abkhazia was recognized by Nicaragua, Venezuela and a number of other countries. This work continues. Contacts are being established and expanded with various countries on different continents.

Such work is promising. Another thing is that not everything depends on our desire, aspirations and even the big work that is being done in this direction. There are many factors, including the so-called "international conjuncture".

It is no secret that Western countries led by the United States, apparently maintaining adherence to the methods of the Cold War era that are becoming obsolete, see Russia as the main rival in the world and in every way impede progress in this direction. They put pressure on countries that are sympathetic, understanding about this issue and are ready to recognize Abkhazia.

But we are not asking anyone, not forcing. These are voluntary decisions. But we are sure that there is a prospect, and that in the near future the number of our friends will increase.

Bulgak: Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, as always, speaks of a policy of double standards. I will quote a fragment of his speech about Russia's recognition of Abkhazia and South Ossetia, in which he speaks about Western countries: "They see and realize the realities, but by inertia they are trying to apply double standards and politicize attitudes towards the already established fact of independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia."

Dmitry Nikolaevich and Igor Muratovich, do you have to deal with the fact that at the purely human level of relationships you see the sympathy and support of your actions on the way to complete independence, and when you come to official statements, you are denied?

Medoev: During our work in Moscow as ambassadors of our countries, Igor Muratovich and I meet with different opinions and approaches. We invite to our events, including ambassadors from different countries, and we ourselves take part in receptions or other events that are held by other embassies.

We are familiar with almost all the ambassadors and with many of them we have very warm, human, friendly relations. Many of them come to our receptions. And this does not put them and their countries in a special position. It is just a tribute to the host country. They are in Russia, and we are just the same ambassadors as everyone else in the Russian Federation - a country that recognized our independence. Naturally, they have this in mind.

But sometimes the ambassadors of individual states, apparently, do not want to notice the presence of the ambassadors of Ossetia and Abkhazia at some events as ambassadors of independent states. They, perhaps, think that, after greeting us, an act of recognition of our republics will take place. But we look at it normally - we do our work.

As Igor Muratovich said, we are building up our potential, expanding and deepening existing contacts. Naturally, in our address we see positive, good relations, hopes. But this process is associated with a number of situations that must occur. Undoubtedly, something must change in order for a country or a group of friendly countries, such as Latin America or Africa, to make such a decision.

But we continue our work. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is closely involved in this. I want to emphasize that we do not send letters with requests and pleas for recognition. We just do our job.

Bulgak: While there is no universal acceptance, is it possible to attract investments from states that do not recognize your independence?
Sakurova: Maybe at the level of personal contacts?

Medoev: Yes, it is possible. In terms of attracting investments, we primarily consider the Russian Federation, because it is a country that has recognized us, it is close to us spiritually, historically, politically and geographically. We border on two countries - in the north with the Russian Federation, in the south - with Georgia. More we have no boundaries. With Abkhazia - through Russia. As Igor Muratovich says, maybe we will dig a "tunnel".

Of course, we have personal contacts with other countries. We invite potential and interested businessmen to our countries. These are completely different countries. It can be both European countries and countries of the Far East. People come to us, they are interested, they look, they get acquainted with our laws, tax policy. They are very interested.

I think that private capital will come faster than any investments from third countries. The legislation of South Ossetia is ready for this, and the government is ready to consider any proposals. South Ossetia is a country that is ready to interact with all interested countries and parties.

Bulgak: Igor Muratovich, it seems to me that from a geopolitical point of view, your situation is more favorable than that of South Ossetia. You have access to the sea.

Ahba: What we are trying to do. Naturally, our main strategic ally and our closest neighbor is Russia, therefore relations with the Russian Federation are priorities in the economic field, including investment cooperation. Although, of course, work is underway to establish such economic contacts with other countries on different continents - in Latin America, including among the states that have not yet recognized us, in Africa, in Southeast Asia.

In the interests of the matter, we cannot tell in detail about who exactly and what the prospects are in this direction, but I can responsibly say that there are prospects in this direction.

As for our relations in the diplomatic corps with the ambassadors in Moscow, I can say that the circle of our friends has expanded considerably in recent times. We meet with understanding and support. But, as I said earlier, there are many factors that impede the adoption of desired decisions, including the notorious practice of double standards that you talked about. It turns out that in one case it is possible to recognize, and in the other - not. Although every nation has the right to determine its political status and its fate. From this it is necessary to proceed.

We consider that the process of international recognition of our states is irreversible.

Sakurova: Dmitry Nikolaevich, it seems to me that just cultural ties, like economic ones, are exactly what usually holds together the relations of even those countries where there are political differences. As already mentioned, you have more and more friends and partners.

Maybe cultural cooperation can also become a binding material, a basis for other countries to recognize your independence in the future?

Medoev: Of course. I agree with that. In this regard, we already have a positive experience. Last year, the State Academic Dance Ensemble of South Ossetia visited brotherly Nicaragua, where it was a huge success. The team - about 30 people - made a great voyage on the day of the national holiday of this country. Nicaraguans took the Caucasian, Ossetian dances with a bang.

Sakurova: Probably, found something close?

Bulgak: Energy.

Medoev: Spiritually, all our countries are spiritually very close. We waged a very long struggle for independence, and we understand each other perfectly. This temperament brings together.

This trip was very important, because everything was broadcast not only on Nicaraguan television - there are a lot of channels in the Latin American region, and the countries also watched these concerts. Culture is the ambassador of the country.

We want to continue this practice. We want, for example, to make the exchange of the exhibition of our artists. For example, to meet the artists of Nicaragua and Venezuela with us - so that they come on creative business trips and can look at everything and write pictures. So that our artists can visit these countries. The government of our country supports this line.

The same goes for sports. You know that Ossetia is a fairly well-known sports country. This is not only football and wrestling - there are a lot of sports in which we could become consultants for other countries, could exchange coaches, athletes.

Bulgak: What is the situation in Abkhazia, Igor Muratovich?

Akhba: As for our cultural ties, here it is necessary to point out long-standing, deep cultural ties with Russia, our main neighbor, friend, brother and ally. We conduct a constant creative exchange, our creative teams come here, giving concerts, performing at various stages in Moscow and in other regions of Russia.

Also in the coming months we are planning cultural trips to the states that recognized us. This is very important, because culture is something that binds peoples tightly together.

Bulgak: Well, of course, tourism?

Ahba: Tourism is also one of the main directions. This is one of the main assets of our country. In Soviet times, about three million people from all over the Soviet Union rested in Abkhazia.

Today this figure is also significant. It exceeds a million. These are mainly citizens of Russia. But there are quite a few tourists from other countries of the CIS and far abroad.

Bulgak: People are attracted not only to seaside resorts. Last year, friends actively invited me to hunt.

Ahba: Yes, hunting is also one of the assets of our lives. In the future, ski tourism is possible in the mountains of Abkhazia. There is a very promising infrastructure.

Bulgak: Let's summarize. We talked about what has been achieved, what plans for the future. Maybe in short - a general summary? Let's start with you, Igor Muratovich.

Akhba: Today, Abkhazia is developing dynamically and is confidently taking the path of building an independent sovereign state. The factor of stability and peace plays a crucial role in this. Today there are a lot of tourists. Guests and friends come to us, and peace and tranquility in Abkhazia. This is the merit of the Russian Federation and those soldiers and border guards who serve in Abkhazia.

In conclusion, I would like to thank all our radio listeners and you, the hosts, for having shown attention to this important event and organized such a program, and congratulate all of us on this very important historical event - recognition of the state independence of the Republic of Abkhazia by Russia.

Bulgak: Thank you, Igor Muratovich. Dmitry Nikolaevich, you have the floor.

Medoev: I also want to congratulate the citizens of the Russian Federation, the Republic of Abkhazia and, of course, the citizens of the Republic of South Ossetia on this day. This is a truly historic day. This is the day when we received the right to independently determine our life and the ability to live and develop in safety.

This is a great merit of the leadership of the Russian Federation, which made these decisions in August 2008. We know that these decisions were not easy. But we know for sure that they were necessary, correct and at that time the only possible.

I want to say that the people of South Ossetia are on the path of independence and will build their sovereign democratic country. A country open to all, to friends. Welcome to South Ossetia!
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  1. fklj
    fklj 28 August 2013 10: 00
    11
    In that year, Transnistria needed to be recognized.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 August 2013 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: fklj
      In that year, Transnistria needed to be recognized.


      Wow! At least in order to deal with Crimea closely.
  2. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 August 2013 10: 05
    12
    In Abkhazia, during the Soviet era, I was telling you beautiful places (and more than once), and I’ll tell you people from all corners of the USSR !! Restore faster .. let the people go to you to relax better than to this fucking Turkey ..
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 August 2013 11: 25
      -8
      Quote: MIKHAN
      let people go to your place to rest better than to this fucking Turkey ..


      right now, 2 million Russian tourists have fled and will run to Sukhumi .... laughing let’s better cope with banditry there ... maybe right now you can put a video on how they rob Russian citizens ... and as the kid says - they came here .... but in a Normal country they won’t tell tourists like that ... hi let them first learn from the Georgians .... how to meet tourists and how to create conditions hi something, but Saakashvili succeeded in this ..... even tipsy tourist drivers are released .. drinks
      1. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 28 August 2013 11: 41
        +2
        Yes!!!!! CHORUS Georgian GOOD !!!! laughing
      2. ultra
        ultra 28 August 2013 14: 27
        +1
        Well, in Turkey, they decided not to bother with robbery, but simply to poison the unfortunate tourists! Sluggish Turkey Baykot !!!
        1. smile
          smile 28 August 2013 16: 36
          +5
          ultra
          Yeah, but it’s worth a Russian-speaking tourist to contact the police to protect against gallant, loving tourists, especially Russian-speaking, Turks will have to endure ..... amicably there is a complete cesspool! :)))
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 28 August 2013 17: 28
            -2
            Quote: smile
            Yeah, but it’s worth a Russian-speaking tourist



            How do you know ........... laughing
            1. smile
              smile 28 August 2013 22: 00
              +2
              smersh70
              If this is humor, I confess that I am a masked Russian-speaking tourist who suffered from the arbitrariness of the Turkish police, pretending to be Smile ... :)))

              If you doubt my words, I’m forced to upset you — I am familiar with how and where our compatriots who are in trouble are rescued, and I am also familiar with the typical reasons for getting into such situations ... including the Russophobia of the Turkish police, and , Unfortunately. the Turks as a whole ... despite the fact that there are exceptions ... and our women are simply more harmless than men ... some .... mountain ungulates use this ...
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 28 August 2013 23: 05
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                Quote: smile
                and our women are simply more harmless than men ... some .... mountain ungulates use this.



                here it’s not a matter of resentment - you probably know whom and mainly from which country most of all in Turkey under the conditional name- / Natasha ......
                and most of all the local police are troubled by persons from this category .... and maybe the locals when they see a blonde, they list everyone under one comb ...
                because you still know that in Antalya there are whole neighborhoods where even locals and the police are afraid to go)) because some blondes and blondes do such things there ..)) so let's not protect everyone in a row, all fluffy and cute))) hi
                1. smile
                  smile 28 August 2013 23: 57
                  +1
                  smersh70
                  I know, unfortunately, I’ve already been fifteen years old from Ukraine (I don’t know before), I knowingly spoke about Russian-speaking .... by the way, yours are also there enough ... alas ...

                  Tales that the main problem of the local police are prostitutes are to be left for internal use ... all the local police are in the bud bought by the pimp mafia (which, naturally, is only part of the whole). if this prostitution is not organized and defended by the police themselves ... :))) Ours is far from them ... very far ......
                  if I would relate to the Turks whom I see for the first time, how to the Turks whom I saw captured in our territory (not mine) and would neutralize them, just in case, if not one or two and there is nothing to immobilize, crushing them with a brush right hand-so as not to be dangerous, what would you say? It’s right that I have a place in prison, because I’m crazy, gaddd and a chauvinist .... and you would be absolutely right ....... and when the mountain barrrans allow themselves too much, and at the same time they receive the unconditional support of the local police , you begin to justify them .... do you think this testifies to your objectivity and honesty? ...
                  That’s it, I don’t intend to respond to this thread more ... sorry ...
    2. Vtel
      Vtel 28 August 2013 13: 37
      +4
      I agree with you, the Turks were never our friends, no matter how they smiled, their dagger is always in store for us, which can be seen against the background of Syria. And it is better for Russia to help Abkhazia and South Ossetia to establish a tourist zone, all the same fraternal peoples, unlike some who dream of a foreign land and their own sea of ​​ambition and not a bit of regret for those who died at their hands. Plus, no one needs to be taken out in the event of a conflict - everything is at hand.
      1. ultra
        ultra 28 August 2013 22: 58
        +1
        Quote: Vtel
        Turks have never been our friends

        No, they were and will be our ENEMIES. am
  3. White
    White 28 August 2013 10: 10
    +7
    obviously they won’t give it away, they live at the expense of the Russians, the budget is almost entirely subsidized from Russia, they build a railway for free, they get gas free of charge, etc. You would first create such conditions for the Russians themselves.
    1. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 28 August 2013 11: 45
      +3
      Russia was always famous for the fact that it always HELPED ... (although many after it pour on it. drinks
      1. White
        White 28 August 2013 12: 56
        +3
        Getting help and living like an Alphonse on maintenance are two big differences.
      2. goldfinger
        goldfinger 28 August 2013 16: 12
        -4
        Can you tell a provincial, how much does your country cost to maintain these "small but proud republics?" Does at least one person work? I heard that all the fired vodka in Russia was made in North Ossetia, now its production has probably doubled? What is it, for FIVE YEARS they can not help but build, but restore, a weaving manufactory? Hilarious! I really, really want to work honestly, probably! But, I am sure, ethnic, Ossetian, crime has arrived! Be famous further, dear neighbors, for your help, at the expense of the dying Russian hinterland!
  4. George
    George 28 August 2013 10: 19
    +8
    Hello all.
    A little more than a week ago he returned from the city of New Athos (Abkhazia).
    The impressions are the best, and even the crowding at the border does not overshadow them. Many places to visit are the monastery (which was really under reconstruction) and cave halls, cells - the grotto of the Holy Apostle Simon Kananit. Do not forget about the Iverskaya Fortress, but the first thing I went to the Museum of Battle Glory. And what can I say - the Abkhaz honor the memory of Russia's help in their war of independence, the old Abkhazian - the administrator of the museum, told me directly:
    - The main thing is that Great Russia recognized us as a state.
    I also visited the Abkhaz feast - a man for 40 named Osman provided a warm welcome. The table was breaking and obligatory toasts sounded from his lips: To the Motherland! Thanks to Russia! Thanks to the Cossacks! (The truth was not without curses in the direction of ebony).
    They are always ready for defense and hope for our support.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 28 August 2013 11: 06
      +4
      Hello.
      Rested in 2000 in Sukhumi in a military sanatorium.
      The staff is friendly, chic beach, cheap, tasty food, again wine.
      Seeing that the war invalid, many did not want to take money even on massage, although the population was poor.
      But the houses in the city were broken and almost everywhere the traces of the 1992 war. I wonder how the city has changed.
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 28 August 2013 10: 49
    0
    There was such a joke:
    sitting in the trenches of a Jew and an Arab.
    Jew: Arab, give up, the Americans are behind us!
    Arab: Went to x ...! Looks in the trench - Did I say that right?
    It is easy for these politicians not to give up what they will not defend.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 28 August 2013 13: 33
      +2
      A friend just in the 92nd fought there, being an conscript. Our guys covered both Abkhazians and Georgians with their bodies and stood right between them and waited for who would hit them first, because everyone wanted blood, and ours in the middle was almost in an open field. Apparently, the Abkhazians remember that the Russians then defended them. It’s good when people remember their defenders.
  6. dimon-media
    dimon-media 28 August 2013 11: 46
    +2
    Saakashvili’s attack on Tskhinval is the greatest stupidity that could have been committed. bear irretrievably lost territories, now they are recognized and independent states, Mishka revealed his true face, the face of a war criminal, lost trust and respect.
    I am sincerely happy for the Ossetians and Abkhazians that they found peace and tranquility. Now nothing and no one threatens them. what am I talking about ... let only anyone try!
  7. erased
    erased 28 August 2013 11: 47
    +1
    I really do not want Russian guys in uniform to shed blood for those who cannot protect themselves (in other countries, I mean). Politicians play dice, and Russian mothers receive funerals and spit from the authorities. If you need to defend the interests of the country abroad. let the contractors do it, and after that the country should receive great benefits and profits. Otherwise, why all?
    In Abkhazia and South Ossetia, Russians are not so well treated now. There are enough examples.
    How many Russians can die? Enough.
    1. OCD
      OCD 28 August 2013 13: 01
      +1
      Do not talk nonsense. Therefore, in South Ossetia, they are grateful to Russia. I don’t remember the cases of a bad attitude towards the Russians, neither in South nor in North Ossetia.
      1. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 28 August 2013 16: 30
        -5
        a friend and daughter-in-law live in Abkhazia, the son-in-law serves as an officer at our base, they are Russian, and so they have to go to military service in the morning and back home in military uniforms, I can’t wrestle the locals from the local people. and you say friendship
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 29 August 2013 13: 36
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        Quote: UBOP
        Do not talk nonsense.


        Abkhaz opposition deputy Raul. Khajimba gave an interview to corr. newspapers Apsadgyl Apsny. In it, he emphasized a number of basic problems that the opposition considers problematic and for which it criticizes the puppet regime of Abkhazia. The following are the main accusations made by Khajimba to regime leader Alexander Ankvab:
        - "There is no economic policy. With a budget of just over 7 billion rubles (of which 3 billion 846 million rubles is financial assistance from Russia), Abkhazia owes other states almost 3 billion rubles. This is 2 billion railroad loans, 700 million a bank loan and a 250 million deposit loan to Transnistria.
        “In general and in general, an unstable situation has developed in the country as a result of the ill-considered and inconsistent policy of our leadership. There was no such rampant crime even in the post-war period. Robberies and thefts against people coming to rest in Abkhazia became more frequent.”
        “The situation on the roads is extremely difficult. Almost every week, statistics show the death of young people of reproductive age. Suicide cases have increased. After all, all this aggravates the already difficult demographic situation.”
        - "The standard of living of our citizens is steadily falling, although the authorities are trying to pay attention to the number of expensive cars on our roads. The presence of such vehicles is not an indicator of an improvement in the social status of the general mass of our citizens. And all this is happening against the backdrop of increasing corruption schemes that destroy the basis of the state system. And as a result - the well-known appeal of the RF Ministry of Foreign Affairs about the undesirability of investing in the economy of Abkhazia, in particular, in the business sphere. "
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 28 August 2013 13: 37
      +3
      The fact is that the smart must fight on a foreign land, and not on his own. It is also desirable with the wrong hands. Therefore, we will have to fight for such small countries. When there will be popular power in the country and the country will again become a great geopolitical power, it will have to fight in remote corners. Well, a people who are too accustomed to a full life degenerate. Wars must be. While they are not there, the population should be educated in the spirit of warriors who are ready not only to shed their blood for the sake of their homeland, but also come to the aid of others, not forgetting the interests of their homeland, of course. This is the Russian way: we are peaceful people, but our armored train is on the siding.
  8. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 28 August 2013 12: 34
    +5
    I am proud of that five-day lightning victorious war. Summary:
    1. Saved many lives.
    2. There is no wave of tens of thousands of refugees in our country.
    3. NATO has a problem with admitting Georgia to its ranks.
  9. George
    George 28 August 2013 12: 48
    +3
    Quote: smersh70
    Quote: MIKHAN
    let people go to your place to rest better than to this fucking Turkey ..


    right now, 2 million Russian tourists have fled and will run to Sukhumi .... laughing let’s better cope with banditry there ... maybe right now you can put a video on how they rob Russian citizens ... and as the kid says - they came here .... but in a Normal country they won’t tell tourists like that ... hi

    I’ll tell you by the way how I found housing.
    In general, my wife and I drove up to Athos already in the dark, about 11 hours of the night, so I saw the 40 and traffic police sign when I rushed past at a speed of 80. Immediately I saw an employee waving a rod. Well, Mlyn, I think the rest begins.
    It seems, where are we hurrying Yuri Alekseevich?
    In Athos I say, more housing needs to be found.
    Come on, says.
    We go into the room, sit down. I had already prepared a defensive speech, but then he said:
    - Well, will we look for housing?
    I was honestly waiting for another, so when I walked away from the shock he nodded.
    The guy dialed a number, said something in his own language, then explained to me where to go and wished him a happy journey. Here it is.
    Quote: smersh70
    let them first learn from the Georgians .... how to meet tourists and how to create conditions for something, and Saakashvili succeeds in this ..... they let go of tipsy tourist drivers ..

    It’s a paradise for lovers to drive around. Well, because I don’t drink alcohol, apparently Georgia is not for me.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 28 August 2013 13: 15
      -2



      Ayuhazia through the eyes of Russian tourists !!!!!!! hi
      1. smile
        smile 28 August 2013 16: 54
        +4
        smersh70
        People are different everywhere, and the attitude towards the Russian-speaking people is different, but in general the attitude towards us in Abkhazia and Ossetia is an order of magnitude better than in Turkey, and in Egypt, and you ...
        And then. There are problems with the service, yes, yes, but they exist in a state of partial isolation. in countries destroyed by Georgia with scanty resources, including human resources, we are the only ones who help them, unlike Georgia, which we support mainly to oppose us ... you can even pay attention to the touching unanimity with the support of Georgia all the most Russophobic regimes of the Planet .... :)))) The opinion on the Georgian question here was like a litmus test ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 28 August 2013 17: 37
          0
          Quote: smile
          in Abkhazia and Ossetia an order of magnitude better than in Turkey, and in Egypt, and you ...



          I don’t know how abroad, we haven’t been there ........ and we have a manager-friend of a business woman (N. Mordyukova) laughing
          look at YouTube .. how much video about attitudes towards visitors to Abkhazia ...... but about South Ossetia, let's not .... there are only 20000 people left .. which is the republic ... some grandparents ... hi
          and they didn’t show because of this ..... but because of the fact that the whole world doesn’t like violation of the territorial integrity of the country (here the minuses will go again right now fellow ) and if you look at international law, then it’s so .... well this is a different story .... but about isolation ..... let them go to the confederation with Georgia .. and they will be happy)))))))))
          and third, just please, do not put Azerbaijan in the category of countries where the attitude towards Russians is bad ...... how many times did the guys say to you --- come and see ... hi our country is one of the most tolerant ..... one of the largest number of Russian schools ... and universities ... so as Comrade Saakhov said - and you do not confuse your pocket with the state ... smile
          1. smile
            smile 28 August 2013 22: 22
            +2
            smersh70
            Why do I need YouTube, if half of my friends there regularly visited and are there on military trips, and I am quite familiar with all the shortcomings of their service.

            Tell tales of international law at the bazaar; I don’t need everything within the framework.
            Even bigger fairy tales about the fact that they don’t like something there all over the world, even don’t tell there, with this only to quiet loonies or to violent ones, to Bolotnaya ... :)))

            Here, your fellow tribesmen, as well as some Kazakh comrades, were very indignant that we were returning the territories illegally seized from us in the 17-20 years ... well, when you recognize Karabakh, then continue to be indignant ... for now, your hypocritical position forces us doubt your honesty ....

            Well, what is the confederation with Georgia, they all know very well, you better campaign them, not us .... :))))
            I did not put Azerbaijan in a number of countries in which the Russians are very ill ... but an elementary analysis of your personal statements. as well as some of your colleagues allows you to conclude that. that Russophobia is quite common among you ... you have eaten so much. that you don’t even notice her .... unfortunately ....

            And about your allusions to my bias, I will also answer with a catch phrase: "I didn’t love you so much as you moaned!" ... :)))))))
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 28 August 2013 22: 59
              -2
              Quote: smile
              And about your allusions to my bias, I will also answer with a catch phrase: "I didn’t love you so much as you moaned!" ... :)))))))


              smart bald does not mean ..... laughing brought some common words .. no arguments ...... plus Kazakhs added to us /)) they have something to do with)))) it seems they are with you in the customs union .. fellow right now also take for Ukrainians smile ..
              1. smile
                smile 28 August 2013 23: 37
                +4
                smersh70 (1

                So, if you take into account that my hair is still quite complete, then how should I understand your phrase? What are your problems with the scalp? :)))

                Smersh, I’m not at all disposed to bark with you now ... honestly ... for one reason, I bark only when you or your colleagues allow yourself to be especially impudent Russophobic statements ... and you just can’t not know. ..
                Basically, I just answered you, without straining and a little bit of humor ... just like you ... giving an argument adequate to yours ... or is there a brainstorming session there? :))))
                You just walked about us a little and then indirectly ... so why beat you? :)))
                What should I quote your statements? I believe that we, as old opponents, should not lie to each other ... otherwise all respect for the enemy will disappear ... and real opponents can always come to an agreement ... right? Or do you think otherwise? if otherwise, I will answer you adequately ... just tell me your opinion, okay? .... Damn, what a habit to start a fight from scratch ... or do I need to answer at least something? ... Well answer. I'm finishing this debate ... :)))
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 28 August 2013 23: 52
                  -1
                  Quote: smile
                  especially arrogant Russophobic statements.


                  never / !!!! we only voiced arguments against the policies of the leaders of Russia ... we have nothing against the people !!!!!!!
                  Quote: smile
                  What should I quote your statements?


                  when I’m a classic of some idea, you can bring .... laughing
                  Quote: smile
                  Well answer. I'm finishing this debate ... :)))


                  and I went to watch football .. or I’ll play planes)))) I hope to meet you there at LAGG-3))))) sorry, I'm all the same on Messer)) he is the best fellow
          2. ultra
            ultra 28 August 2013 23: 01
            +1
            And where does Azerbaijan or is it already part of the Ottoman Empire?
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 28 August 2013 23: 19
              +3
              Quote: ultra
              And where does Azerbaijan or is it already part of the Ottoman Empire?


              The Turks there feel more comfortable than the locals in their own country! De jure, there is no Ottoman Empire, and de facto it is the unspoken leader of the entire region. And instead of the ideology of the Ottoman Empire, the ideology of Fetullah reigns there now. This is a very entertaining uncle, so important that he lives under the protection of the pindo special services in Florida (if I'm not mistaken, but in any case somewhere fellow ) Behind the scenes, almost all influential people in Turkey are members of this movement. Formally, the AKP, the moderate-Islamist party of Erdogan, is in power in Turkey. But the names of political parties mean little in Turkey. The Fetullah movement is not registered in any register of public organizations or political parties. Rather, it is a religious society based on Gulen’s ideas. In Izmir, a cosmopolitan city whose population was traditionally skeptical of religious fanatics, Gulen began to develop his own style: he preached Islam in combination with neoliberalism and pan-Turkism - the idea of ​​uniting the Islamic world under Turkey and restoring its influence in the territory of the former Ottoman Empire.
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 28 August 2013 23: 25
                -1
                Quote: JACOB
                he preached Islam in combination with neoliberalism and pan-Turkism - the idea of ​​uniting the Islamic world under the leadership of Turkey and restoring its influence in the territory of the former Ottoman Empire.



                confession of the Russian-speaking German)))))) afraid of the Turks coming from the south fellow
                do not forget, you are also the same Turks, just a model of perestroika)) .. when you were not there, it was the Turks who raised your historical Motherland .... and now they are already bad ..... why are they in the early 60s years they called for help ... that would not be called .......
                1. Allegedly
                  Allegedly 29 August 2013 00: 40
                  +1
                  Quote: smersh70
                  confession of the Russian-speaking German)))))) afraid of the Turks


                  Maybe you weren't in the 60s, but some of you already have grandchildren. And why can't you inform yourself as much as possible about the foreigners inhabiting your country? Including about them about their features and habits? What is wrong with expecting what they can do from them? What's wrong with getting their psychological profile? And besides, more of them are leaving than arriving. And for their work, they received more than good money. Living in a normal country "with all the comforts." And believe me, I also unsubscribe on German forums if I see an interesting discussion for me. The forum is, in theory, intended to exchange opinions?
                  1. smersh70
                    smersh70 29 August 2013 12: 23
                    0
                    Quote: JACOB
                    And believe me, in German forums I also unsubscribe if I see an interesting discussion for me. After all, is the forum intended to exchange views?


                    in theory, I agree !!!!!!!!!! but your comments are not for exchange)), namely, as much as possible to annoy the Turks))) .. the fact that Turkey wants to restore the Ottoman empire or raise the Islamic world under its own banner- complete nonsense ... she just wants to actively participate in regional projects in light of the fact that the country is actively developing ... and wants her voice to be heard. that’s all ..... hi ....
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 28 August 2013 23: 22
              0
              Quote: ultra
              And where does Azerbaijan or is it already part of the Ottoman Empire?



              You decide) a question to whom)))
              1. ultra
                ultra 29 August 2013 10: 57
                0
                Question to you!
                1. smersh70
                  smersh70 29 August 2013 12: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: ultra
                  Question to you!



                  Azerbaijan is an independent state !!! It is included only in the Non-Aligned Movement! And with all countries, it has excellent equal relations ... except of course Armenia ..... because it was Armenia that occupied 20% of the territory and 1 million refugees ... I hope that would be in our place, would also not maintain a relationship with her ...........
      2. George
        George 28 August 2013 17: 00
        +3
        I rested in a room on the second floor, without an air conditioner and a TV (during the day we were hiking or at sea, and the laptop easily coped with the TV function) - 300r per person per day.
        In general, I described my impressions of my trip, those who wish can go where they want.
        PS: My wife gave me yesterday:
        - And where in winter you can relax at sea?
        We took a look. My wife chose Goa, and I rested - Liberty Island.
        We collect documents and go to visit Fidel.


        This view was from the balcony in Athos.
    2. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 28 August 2013 16: 32
      +1
      your story about housing is they do their business
      1. George
        George 28 August 2013 16: 43
        +5
        Quote: soldier's grandson
        your story about housing is they do their business

        Likely.
        Only who prevented him from scamming me (the excess was double), and there weren’t any conditions, like you don’t want to take housing - pay a fine. The policeman said to me at the post that they didn’t like it, go there, you would turn everything there.
  10. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 28 August 2013 13: 21
    +4
    You must not abandon these territories to their fate. In the end, there are not many who want to become part of Russia. If such a responsibility was taken to recognize the independence of these republics on our part, then half measures are not enough. And one cannot do without financial injections into the local economy, although in Russia itself there are more than enough problems. Nobody will give money to Abkhazians and Ossetians anymore. But they themselves need to be more active. Only after overcoming the devastation can something move with international recognition.