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On the “catastrophic Russian-Ukrainian scenario”: titanium rolling, war and refugees

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On the eve of the signing (and I personally am almost sure that it will be inevitable) of a phytulkina letter on the so-called. Associations with the European Union, the Ukrainian political technology machine, scrubbing properly across the bottom of the barrel, extracted the “theory of catastrophes” from there.


And now the Ukrainian public is told how a collapse for the Customs Union of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan will turn into a rejection of the European choice of Ukraine, expressed in the protective measures of its market from “ukroevropeyskih” goods.

So: what, in fact, awaits us all, if we persist in our delusions? That is, will we stop sponsoring the anti-union policy of the Ukrainian elite?

And it will be - trouble.

To begin with, Ukraine will cease to sell titanium ores to northern barbarians (since the Soviet times, ilmenites, rutile, etc. were actually mined and mined in Ukraine), which will drive down the famous Russian titanium rolled products. Which, as you know, is “built-in” in the so-called. "Transnational chains". As a result, the Russians for their evil ukroevyrovyu attitude will get hard on the cap from all sorts of different Boeing and other Airbus-s (this, as I understand it, is now such a replacement for “gas transit”, because with the introduction of South Stream to the South Stream already "The value will be exclusively cultural and phallic, and even the most uprooted svidomye understand this).

And if this does not help, then the great Ukrainian ultrancy Tyagnibok will come to power (or will be close to it) with its “Freedom”. In fact, in fact, this is a cardboard scarecrow and grown, so that not only Russians in Ukraine, but also in Moscow, frighten them. After that, of course, civil war will inevitably begin (and this is the holy true truth). Moreover, the "western part" will be monolithic, the center will "support" it, and, accordingly, all hostilities will go in the East. And these are wild streams of refugees that the Russian Federation simply cannot “digest”, gangs terrorizing not only, say, Donetsk with Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk, but Orlovshchina and Smolensk regions.

In short, everyone will be scared, and especially Moscow.

Conclusion: it is necessary to clearly understand - since there are no other “pro-Russian politicians”, except in the Party of Regions, Ukraine does not provide for Russia, then you, Muscovites, will have to support Professor Viktor F. Yanukovych in everything, including not only the EU, but need and NATO.

For otherwise it will be bad.

Something like that.

... Whether they themselves absolutely sincerely believe in it, or they understand everything, but according to an ancient habit that has fallen into flesh and blood, they hope that it will work. And Russia will continue to finance contempt for itself, pay for alienation from itself and invest in political projects hostile to itself.

... Here you are - already scared? Scary, huh ?!

Titan, crowds of hungry refugees, the inevitable rise of crime and economic decline, gangs again.

But to me personally - no.

But let's start in order. The easiest - with titanium.

Guys. As a matter of fact, titanium ores themselves do not represent such exclusive value. Moreover, their proven reserves are quite enough in the most indigenous Russia, not to mention all sorts of Sri Lanka. This is not a matter of ores, otherwise you would have been selling them to Boeing directly for a long time. You just understand what the dog rummaged in: the technology of converting these ores, first to the so-called. "Titanium sponge", and then in the rolling itself - only two countries of the world, namely Russia and, in part, the United States, have. I emphasize - in part. Otherwise, the “Russian titan” would not be the same global brand as, excuse me, vodka and a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

All.

Therefore, we do not develop our reserves, preferring to import: sooner or later (according to experts, the 15-20 years under the optimistic scenario), these technologies will become available to others, and this is our personal, I'm sorry, a bit. So your “spite of my mother's ears will get frostbitten” can be described here with another Russian proverb, albeit a bit more coarse: about a hedgehog and a bare ass, maybe you heard something?

Well, now - about the burden of refugees, gangs and civil war. That's what you seriously believe that the Russian Federation does not consider and, therefore, is not preparing for such a scenario as well!

Then once again I am upset: Saakashvili also suggested something like that. But he even had assets in the mountains, not quite peaceful Dagestan, Pankisi, and Chechnya, which was not completely peaceful at that time. What kind of “gangs” are you trying to frighten the Russian power structures having the experience of several Caucasian wars and, more or less, a fairly successful fight against a much more formidable and organized Salafi underground ?! Roll into a thin pancake, and - if in a real civil war - with complete contempt for the state borders of the "Nezalezhnaya" up to Kiev itself, especially if you give a reason. So do not be stupid.

And this is really the "main thing", because such a problem for a native Russia in general does not exist in principle. Because how to get such an amount of able-bodied, at reproductive age, fluent in Russian, close in mentality and forcedly undemanding (refugees!) Population, children, for the state the Russian Federation is not a problem. And if we are talking absolutely cynical, even luck. For the Russian oil and other fields in the same Siberia have long sincerely been waiting for workers, while for the time being, they are still waiting for you, all with the very same of your “mortgage workers”.

And where are these “flows of refugees” to redirect - this, in this particular situation, is a matter of sovereign Russian power exclusively.

Because - you seem to have forgotten about this - it is sovereign. So it goes.

... Perhaps some Ukrainian readers will get the impression that the author is just waiting for the Ukrainian catastrophe and sincerely hates Ukrainian independence. But the question of who is politically more independent - Ukraine or Belarus, Ukraine or Kazakhstan - every non-hostile Ukrainian resident can answer himself. And if desired, and curiosity - to make sure that the “catastrophic scenario” and the loss of independence are directly spelled out, actually, for a moment, in the installation documents of Ukraine’s movement to the status of a European colony.

Just in case (or rather, when) the Ukrainian elite will nevertheless go with the EU to the classic Eastern European transaction “management in exchange for obedience” - the Union in general and Russia in particular will find what to get from this catastrophe for its own benefit. Nothing personal.
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  1. xetai9977
    xetai9977 28 August 2013 09: 56 New
    19
    Lived. Now the words "war" and "refugees" appear in articles about Ukraine.
    1. afire
      afire 28 August 2013 10: 02 New
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      Video in the topic, Atv channel Ukraine. pay attention to the vote, I will not argue about the truth or the substitution of facts in it, but still.
      1. Grigorich 1962
        Grigorich 1962 28 August 2013 10: 31 New
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        I looked at the whole story ..... what a great fellow and Odessa people in general .... are fighting for the Russian language ... they call themselves Little Russia ...... and the vote for joining the customs union pleased me .... it means more we will fight ..... the union Russia-Belarus-Ukraine to be !!!
        1. Yoshkin Kot
          Yoshkin Kot 28 August 2013 20: 45 New
          0
          union ??? why the hell? feed again dump! or United Russia or a parasite forest
      2. maxvet
        maxvet 28 August 2013 11: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: afire
        Video in the topic, Atv channel Ukraine. pay attention to the vote, I will not argue about the truth or the substitution of facts in it, but still.

        Maybe the result of the vote was partially determined by the question (BAR patronage)? Although, in any case, the figures are indicative
      3. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic 28 August 2013 19: 30 New
        +3
        This is an Odessa TV channel, voting is mainly regional, and not throughout the country)
      4. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 29 August 2013 09: 52 New
        0
        So ATV from Odessa, and there Banderlogov kicked. In addition, in the same Odessa there is a party "Rodina" which will easily lead, if necessary, the movement on the annexation of Novorossiya to the Russian Federation.
    2. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 28 August 2013 10: 43 New
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      They "survived" back in 2008, when Ukrainian specialists fired at Russian planes ...
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. 28 August 2013 11: 01 New
        +8
        Dima Lekuh in his style: briefly and figuratively and, I think, intelligibly for the most Svidomo.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 August 2013 11: 29 New
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          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Dima Lekuh in his style: briefly and figuratively and, I think, intelligibly for the most Svidomo.


          No, intelligibly for Svidomo could explain only associates of Pavel Sudoplatov. No other invented.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 28 August 2013 15: 55 New
            +4
            And the distinguished master himself (Sudoplatov) didn’t put a hand on his head in this matter! Just yesterday I watched a documentary study about the young years of a good man ... I thought, by the way - you need to be careful with sweets wink So Onishchenko, for good reason, cut off exports to some laughing
      2. Docent1984
        Docent1984 28 August 2013 12: 09 New
        +3
        Not that specialists ... So, bastards ... Traitors, with whom any country and any army is rich. And now in Ukraine the Little Russians from "zapadentsy" suffer worse than the negro in Lvov from an anecdote. I myself witnessed such a conflict in Crimea. It's just that even in our much more prosperous country, people clearly divide the people and the state. And there there is no state as such, why should they ...
      3. domokl
        domokl 28 August 2013 20: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: serge-68-68
        They "survived" back in 2008, when Ukrainian specialists fired at Russian planes.

        This is very correct. After my own son was shot at by Ukrainians, my attitude towards the brotherly people has changed ... All the time we say that the authorities and people of Ukraine are completely different things. But it wasn’t Yanukovych who shot at my son ... And not the deputies of the Rada fired at the planes. And they didn’t pass their codes on a foreign one, not the prime minister with the government (although I could be mistaken at this point) ...
      4. Luger
        Luger 29 August 2013 08: 30 New
        0
        I think even earlier than 2008, in the second Chechen side, the Ukrainians were 100% XNUMX%, if you spend a little time you can find evidence.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 28 August 2013 11: 15 New
      -6
      Quote: xetai9977
      Lived. Now the words "war" and "refugees" appear in articles about Ukraine.



      3rd article per day)))) and 6th in 2 days fellow is now in power in Ukraine is Yushchenko wassat such a bulk of articles about Ukraine)))))) something went wrong in relations between GDP and Yanukovych ........
      1. serge-68-68
        serge-68-68 28 August 2013 11: 28 New
        +2
        Media laws. The topic has been raised, promoted, revolving, and will subside in a week. Unless, of course, there is something "hot".
      2. domokl
        domokl 28 August 2013 20: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: smersh70
        such a bulk of articles about Ukraine)))))) something went wrong in relations between GDP and Yanukovych ........

        Are you serious? The third article, but you didn’t deign to read at least one ... Now it’s not GDP and Yanek is arguing. Now you decide to be Ukrainians with Russians or not to be. If you look closely at the register of articles, you will see that people are interested in two topics- Syria and Ukraine ... The rest is passing news ...
        1. Fish_Ob_Ice
          Fish_Ob_Ice 28 August 2013 23: 42 New
          +1
          Correctly. It cannot be otherwise, for we are talking about our future in the most global sense of the word. Heart bleeds for Ukrainians and the soul hurts for the Syrians. The remaining topics seem small, insignificant.
      3. LINX
        LINX 29 August 2013 04: 22 New
        -5
        The GDP realized that it had lost in this round, but did not want to admit it, sputtered wherever it could
        1. domokl
          domokl 29 August 2013 05: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: LINX
          GDP realized that it lost in this round, but does not want to admit it

          GDP is poor and poor, but it has regained the authority in the world for Russia and the countries of the Customs Union. Has returned economic and political independence. And what happened to Ukraine? Tell me at least some plus that the country has achieved over 20 over the years. And what are your prospects?
          Putin just realized that how many wolves do not feed, the elephant doesn’t care ..... something else is there.
    4. artemiy
      artemiy 28 August 2013 12: 12 New
      +2
      Kiev is ready to join separate agreements within the framework of the Customs Union
      http://news.mail.ru/politics/14511105/?frommail=1
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 28 August 2013 12: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: artemiy
        Kiev is ready to join separate agreements within the framework of the Customs Union

        Yeah, I liked that too. I join that which is profitable to me, and leave that which is profitable for the others. This is tantamount to incomplete coitus.
        Or everything is completely or nothing!
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 28 August 2013 13: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: artemiy
        Kiev is ready to join separate agreements within the framework of the Customs Union
        http://news.mail.ru/politics/14511105/?frommail=1

        What other "separate agreements"? Either full membership or nothing at all.
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 28 August 2013 16: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: artemiy
        Kiev is ready to join separate agreements within the framework of the Customs Union

        In the EU, let them join some ... and Moscow will see how Kiev succeeds.
      4. avt
        avt 28 August 2013 18: 52 New
        0
        Quote: artemiy
        Kiev is ready to join separate agreements within the framework of the Customs Union

        laughing laughing Again tricky .... e gadgets from the time of the founding of the CIS. No, in Europa and from there, let the TS be observers. Enough of this running in bags in a circle.
    5. Horst78
      Horst78 28 August 2013 14: 39 New
      0
      I am also in SHOCK belay
  2. Guun
    Guun 28 August 2013 09: 59 New
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    All the same, Belarus and Kazakhstan are the last and faithful allies of Russia. If Russia is behind Syria, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev will know that in case of what their people and country will be safe.
    1. afire
      afire 28 August 2013 10: 12 New
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      drew attention to one interesting fact ...
      EVERYONE is waiting for the US decision to invade or not invade Syria, each news portal is full of it. That is, everyone behind the scenes looks at the United States as the sole arbiter of fate, it’s sad, but look, if the United States invades Syria, then no one will oppose them except Iran and Syria itself, it’s a fact - do not go to a fortuneteller, therefore, through what at that time, the oil fields of Syria will work for naglosaksa and the usa. I repeat - no one will get involved in this conflict, very high stakes and subsequent contracts will never pay for them (the lives of our military are more expensive than contracts). It sounds disgusting, I agree, I personally would really like Russia to give these upstarts by wort, the Ministry of Emergency Situations also started to take people out of Syria (it landed in Domodedovo on 28.08), the smell of fried that awaits us in the near future remains to be guessed, but about the world there are fewer prerequisites. Let's swear less and unite on the contrary, together we are power after all. And these upstarts from the Briton-Amerofrans will receive theirs sooner or later, since half the world will be against them, or even just everyone else.
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 28 August 2013 10: 33 New
        +8
        Quote: afire
        here also the Ministry of Emergency Situations began to take people out of Syria (28.08 landed in Domodedovo), the smell was fried,

        It doesn’t smell fried along the way and it stinks as much as the smoke is.
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 28 August 2013 11: 08 New
        +2
        It stinks of fried there for several years, now it’s burning with might and main ...
      3. Docent1984
        Docent1984 28 August 2013 12: 17 New
        +4
        The Americans are unlikely to engage in a real war with Syria. What is happening there leaves not the slightest ambiguity - the people of Syria support the government and the president. In this case, a "civil" war like Libya or Egypt will not work, and which of the Americans are warriors in a real land war, everyone already knows))) Moreover, Iran will harness Syria, and ours have already made it clear that Assad is without weapons will not be left. And Lavrov's statements that "Russia will not fight for Syria" is also very competent and timely. In the eyes of the whole world, we seem to give them a white light, which in itself makes them aggressors. This is something like "we beat the enemy with his own weapon."
        1. varov14
          varov14 28 August 2013 14: 31 New
          +1
          "Russia will not fight for Syria" -Direct text, no subtext - there will be no, everything else is messy and our speculations and desires.
          1. edge
            edge 28 August 2013 15: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: varov14
            "Russia will not fight for Syria" -Direct text, no subtext - there will be no, everything else is crap and our speculation

            This is my friend’s politician, everyone lies in it; everything depends a lot or little on the goals and objectives.
            1. Luger
              Luger 29 August 2013 08: 34 New
              0
              Plus you and the one to which you objected, it’s not paradoxical, but you are both right, because it can be this way and that.
          2. Onotollah
            Onotollah 29 August 2013 05: 30 New
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            Quote: varov14
            will not be,

            Will, will not - found a camomile !!!
            They have their own fenya, diplomatic and the atmosphere there they have their own.
            Where is it seen that there are no subterfuges and subtexts in diplomacy?
            An honest diplomat is nonsense. A diplomat is driven by a country's interest, not a direct text.
            She may not fight for Syria, but she can and will be against interference in the affairs of Syria. Or against someone - yes, but not for Syria.
            In general, we'll wait and see, until the hour "X" less than a day is left.
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 3 September 2013 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Guun
      If Russia is behind Syria, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev will know that in case of what their people and country will be safe.

      But .., something at the same time, neither the "father" nor the "khan" in the issues of South Ossetia and Abkhazia officially supported Russia, and this is an indicator and not small to your statement about "loyal" allies of Russia. So here, too, at the level of "if it is profitable for me," or rather "every man for himself," and therefore, your excessive optimism is not justified. request
  3. Pit
    Pit 28 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    Interesting, cynical and extremely sad.
    I somehow do not care from Siberia what is happening there (on the other side of the Urals), but it’s a shame for the state to tears. Not only were they allowed to, but it was also brought to a fight. And who will fight? ELITES are independent with our nobles? Not a, people will get on both sides. Sad scenario, very ...
    1. matross
      matross 28 August 2013 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Pit
      I somehow do not care from Siberia what is going on there (on the other side of the Urals)

      How is this to be understood ?! For such words on 100 minuses must be put! Or even worse ...
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Pit
      Sad scenario, very ...

      The scenario, I think, is still far from reality. Thanks to journalists, the atmosphere is escalating. Perhaps they want to talk about a painful topic. Refugees, wars are overkill!
    3. Cpa
      Cpa 28 August 2013 16: 21 New
      +4
      The whole country is saving the Amur region from flooding, and from the other side - "all the same." Well, yes, the "nipple" system - blow there, from there fellow This is what everyone wants to achieve, that Siberia doesn’t care about the Trans-Urals, the South don’t care about the Kuril Islands, Moscow doesn’t care about the Transcaucasian region, and the Caucasus does not stir everyone. Everything is according to the plan, the Aglitsky recourse
      1. Pit
        Pit 29 August 2013 04: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: KPA
        This is what they achieve, so that each by itself is

        Have you ever wondered why this all went?
        Quote: KPA
        Moscow does not care

        It started from here, when a handful of people began to decide for everyone and did not ask anyone about it. In fact, what is happening in the country is not indifferent to us, it’s only with a small reservation that we disperse everything inside the MKAD, let them stay with us and maybe after that they will also save the Amur region not for the sake of a tick and rating, but for the people who feed them .
        1. Cpa
          Cpa 2 September 2013 17: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Pit
          disperse everything inside

          Yes, let them live, move the capital to the Far East, they will scatter themselves.
      2. Onotollah
        Onotollah 29 August 2013 05: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: KPA
        .Well, yes, the "nipple" system - blow there, from there

        Be lenient, people are boiling.
        For example, the federal highway (FEDERAL !!, no other, AT ALL !!!) M55 Irkutsk-Ulan-Ude-Chita almost the entire length (approximately 1100 km), with a small seizure a track about 10 m wide, two lanes: 1 in one side, the other to the other. For example, cars in an accident (which all the time) came together or the snow fell on the pass - let's goodbye 11
        1. Pit
          Pit 29 August 2013 13: 14 New
          +1
          Quote: Onotolle
          Here's an example of the federal highway (FEDERAL !!, no other, AT ALL !!!)

          M-53 and M-54 are the same, and the quality of the coating - God forbid, although in some places they do something. Moreover, M-53s began to be made as far as I remember due to last year’s scandal, when the gravel road was washed away and the wagons stood up for a couple of weeks.
          Quote: Onotolle
          Agreed for example cars in an accident (which all the time)

          Not long ago they returned along the 53rd from Baikal, so there was only one car there, so that the stream would get up to 30 km and it would not be possible to go round.
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  5. kot11180
    kot11180 28 August 2013 10: 02 New
    +7
    Anglo-Saxons and Simites are doing their job - the Slavs are biting
  6. seller trucks
    seller trucks 28 August 2013 10: 03 New
    16
    Hmm, a gloomy article, but the scenario is quite realistic, but IMHO unlikely to ideally draw a new state border across the Dnieper, without blood and unnecessary trouble.
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      I think it will not work without blood
      1. Ded_smerch
        Ded_smerch 29 August 2013 10: 05 New
        0
        and it depends who and how will be divided
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 42 New
      +2
      Quote: seller trucks
      ideally draw a new state border across the Dnieper, without blood and unnecessary trouble.

      No, on the Dnieper - it will be very greasy for zapadentsev will be! Is that what they and Odessa cut off !?
    3. Ded_smerch
      Ded_smerch 29 August 2013 10: 02 New
      0
      Why along the Dnieper? There is another river Zbruch along which you can beautifully cut off zapadentsev, and everything else must be left
  7. Vlad_Mir
    Vlad_Mir 28 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +7
    Titanium, candy .....- it's all the little things! In Ukraine, there is an information war against Russia. People are pitted against each other, distorted by facts and reality. The consequences of this war are far more catastrophic than the consequences of a trade war and are directed to the future! Against the background of hysteria, it is simply impossible to deal with this!
    1. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 36 New
      +4
      Quote: Vlad_Mir
      ! In Ukraine, there is an information war against Russia.

      oh well, exactly the same war is going on on Russian sites against Ukraine. There are simply people who know how to separate the grain from the chaff, and there are those who dream of introducing tanks into Ukraine and sharing along the Dnieper ...
      read Russian commentators.
      _--- But nevertheless, a huge number of Ukrainians are ready to live in peace with the Russians and perceive the current state of things as a personal war of Ukrainian and Russian elites ...
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 28 August 2013 15: 30 New
        +2
        Too optimistic, go around ukrosaytami ... there is not a single good word about Russia and Russians from the Ukrainians. Moreover, any anazise with hostility, only one insult from the Ukrainians, and God forbid to insult the Ukrainian-immediately ban! And look for Russian sites aimed at Ukraine with the aim of such insults - I think you’ll hardly find it. Sorry, but the hysteria comes from Ukraine, and the brainwashing of Ukrainians is quite successful ...
        A huge number of Ukrainians ... - they simply take everything for granted, and do nothing, but how they all perceive the tenth case.
        1. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 15: 53 New
          -4
          Quote: Sochi
          ! And look for Russian sites aimed at Ukraine with the aim of such insults - I think you’ll hardly find it.

          we are now on it
          Quote: Sochi
          there is not a single good word about Russia

          there, as here about Ukraine. Not all brains zay yet. There are adequate people on both sides
        2. Corneli
          Corneli 28 August 2013 16: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Sochi
          Too optimistic, go around ukrosaytami ... there is not a single good word about Russia and Russians from the Ukrainians. Moreover, any anazise with hostility, only one insult from the Ukrainians, and God forbid to insult the Ukrainian-immediately ban!

          I followed the advice and went to the Segodnya forum (Akhmetova newspaper):
          Article "Azarov was going to Moscow for negotiations, but went to war" http://www.segodnya.ua/ukraine/Azarov-sobiralsya-v-Moskvu-na-peregovory-a-poehal
          -kak-na-voynu-456397.html
          Comments of individual members of the forum (You do not think that they are Ukrainians?)):
          "xrun.morjov yesterday
          Azarov wants a lot but will get nothing. Russia now puts its interests above friendship with various monkeys and other sorts. "
          "Beautiful words yesterday
          Hmm ... but a real Ukrainian would spend this money on Eurostrings with a hole in the bottom. "
          "Guest yesterday
          Ukraine is a homeless woman from the railway station, who drank everything from home, but considers herself a bride. Tells everyone that a rich neighbor is seeking her, but she is going to Europe. "
          A sea of ​​analysis, I don’t even see bans ... and there are such pearls there.
          Quote: Sochi
          And look for Russian sites aimed at Ukraine with the aim of such insults - I think you’ll hardly find it.

          I went in, Schaub did not run far, on Izvestia on the very first article on a similar topic:
          "Trade war with Russia will bankrupt the Ukrainian budget" http://izvestia.ru/news/555523
          I read the first koment:
          “Finally, Russia has begun to defend its national and economic interests in spite of purulent Russophobes.
          Mikhail Severny, August 20, 16:21 "
          NO COMMENT
          Quote: Sochi
          Sorry, but the hysteria comes from Ukraine, and the brainwashing of Ukrainians is quite successful ...

          So you wrote the truth? And then the facts say the opposite.
          P.S. And in general, count how many and what articles on the topic of Ukraine only on this site! And take a look at the forum, who is hysterical, minus, etc., and who behaves more adequately ...
      2. domokl
        domokl 28 August 2013 20: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: zmey_gadukin
        oh well, exactly the same war is going on on Russian sites against Ukraine

        laughing The Internet is a great way to see both your friends and others in their own information environment. Ukrainian sites are as accessible as Russian ones. And we have not forgotten how to read.
        Do you read a lot of insults with us? And now the question is, is it on Ukrainian sites? To be honest, Ukrainians moderate comments much more strictly and do not publish anything different from Ukrainian opinion.
      3. Yoshkin Kot
        Yoshkin Kot 28 August 2013 20: 48 New
        -1
        and who considers ukrointsev for people? after May 9, 2010 in Lemberg ??? make up your mind, are you a non-human ukroinets or a Russian person
  8. avt
    avt 28 August 2013 10: 10 New
    +4
    ,, Perhaps some Ukrainian readers will get the impression that the author is just waiting for the Ukrainian catastrophe and sincerely hates Ukrainian independence. But to the question of who is politically independent - Ukraine or Belarus, Ukraine or Kazakhstan - each lazy Ukrainian resident can answer for himself. And if you want and curiosity - make sure that the "catastrophic scenario" and the loss of independence are directly spelled out, actually, for a minute, in the installation documents of Ukraine’s movement towards the status of a European colony.

    It's just that if (or rather, when) the Ukrainian elite nevertheless goes with the EU to the classic Eastern European deal "governance in exchange for obedience" - the Union in general and Russia in particular will find what to extract from this catastrophe for their own benefit. Nothing personal."---------- good It is quite a sober and sane article, but one hundred percent will be accepted in Ukraine as imperial, betraying independence and European choice. Well, yes, this is not for those who want to hear only what they want, but for those who hesitate from a lack of information against the background of howling about the EU joining for a better share, to exacerbate the thought process. laughing
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 28 August 2013 16: 08 New
      +2
      Uh, uh ... How should this article be understood? Russia is the Empire, and still, albeit still sick. And this article is an article of a stubborn imperial, which certainly aims to take away freedom from Ukrainians! And the Russians take it away, of course. And instead of freedom, which cannot be in the state, because it can never be, give us strength, cohesion and greatness.
      Because when the state says: you are free, that is what it means - you are free from my protection! He is free to fight off everyone who wants to rob you, kill and rape (and in any case in what order), and I, that is, the state, will take care that you do not break the law. And with those who are free of you ... this ... there will be a separate conversation ... maybe it will, maybe it won't ...
      And the empire says - I have no freedom for you. Because the Empire needs strength! So you are my strength, citizen. Give freedom here (we have a large garbage dump), and in return, here you have duties and equal rights to them. Want more rights? They took on more responsibilities. Do you want to give someone more rights? Take their responsibilities upon yourself. Grunting? Well, do not be merciful at the expense of others!
      I hope to live to the times when in the Russian Empire it will be possible to raise the toast for the Sovereign’s health ...
  9. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 28 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    Well, you mane pidmanula, you mane failed ... oh Slavs (Anglo-Saxons how they rub their hands ..)
    1. Yoshkin Kot
      Yoshkin Kot 28 August 2013 20: 49 New
      -1
      thanks to the Judeo-Bolsheviks for the Ukrainianization of Little Russia, to see immediately who was the master of the Bolsheviks
  10. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 28 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +3
    What is this article? Our answer to Chamberlain?
    Provocation and incitement to hostility?
    Calm down, author, first yourself and do not make a fuss ...
    Rich bride Ukraine marries a European. Why? By calculation...
    But we need to take care of our house: to clean, put things in order, wash, shave and sow land, plant factories so that there is plenty of money ...
    You look and Ukraine will return and not only it.
    Reproach, frighten, threaten - I do not advise .. The word - not a sparrow .., and the sediment will remain.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 28 August 2013 11: 15 New
      +9
      Quote: Samsebenum
      You look and Ukraine will return and not only it.

      Oh, I doubt it. Having sold once, a second time will not be sold. Confidence limit has been reached. And where is the guarantee that the third time will not sell? And the woman who is constantly being sold, you know what is called.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 44 New
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        And the woman who is constantly being sold, you know what is called.

        And they say from prostitutes good wives are obtained! wink
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 28 August 2013 12: 54 New
          +1
          They say that in Moscow hens are milked. And also on the fences they write a lot of things, take a closer look, and there is nothing there. recourse
          Check in your own skin everything that they say is necessary! good
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 28 August 2013 13: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Check in your own skin everything that they say is necessary!

            No, fire me from such checks.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 28 August 2013 13: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: vilenich
              No, fire me from such checks.

              Lada, Vital, Persuaded, give me a letter of resignation. I will sign it. wassat
              1. vilenich
                vilenich 28 August 2013 14: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Hedgehog
                Lada, Vital, Persuaded, give me a letter of resignation. I will sign it.

                Yes, I retired now even! drinks
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak 28 August 2013 16: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: vilenich
                  Yes, I retired now even!

                  We’ll prepare a settlement within an hour! good soldier
        2. maxvet
          maxvet 28 August 2013 13: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          And they say from prostitutes good wives are obtained!

          they’ll lie. for a normal man, there’s no way, only for those who need this method to assert themselves
        3. Setrac
          Setrac 28 August 2013 14: 28 New
          +1
          Quote: vilenich
          And they say from prostitutes good wives are obtained!

          Breshet.
        4. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 28 August 2013 16: 17 New
          0
          Those who speak, let them marry them. By kindness and honor.
      2. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 28 August 2013 14: 21 New
        0
        Ezhaak

        Yes, that’s the truth.
        Only I for Russia, somehow I am more pleased.
        All the friends and neighbors were lost, some of the adversaries were thrown at the mercy.
        And blood was pouring there and bitter grief came to the houses.
        And this is corruption and treason, and just cowardice.
        And, it seems, we no longer have faith.
        As it is in the Bible: ... you see a speck in your brother's eye .. "
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 28 August 2013 14: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: Samsebenum
          All friends of the neighbors were lost, some adversaries were thrown at the mercy

          I never believed in the friendship of peoples; I still maintain that this is a fiction.
          Most of my life I was sure that it was impossible to trust everyone and my grandchildren.
          Having lived most of my life, I probably have the right to say the words well-known to everyone: Live your life, do not go over the field. Complex is this thing - life!
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 28 August 2013 16: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Samsebenum
          All the friends and neighbors were lost, some of the adversaries were thrown at the mercy.
          And blood was pouring there and bitter grief came to the houses.
          And this is corruption and treason, and just cowardice.

          So what do you think Russia is to blame for all the troubles?
          Again did not help everyone, abandoned again, did not wash did not comb her hair?
          You should look at the whistles of the late 80s - early 90s on the other side of the border. I think you would not be so reckless in reasoning.
          Yes, of course, they lost a lot in good relations.
          But if your relationship with your neighbor has cooled, this does not mean that you are guilty of the fact that he drinks without drying out, beats his wife and does not bring money to the house.
  11. leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 August 2013 10: 24 New
    +5
    You cheated chitol war with Ukraine?
    Although here the destruction of the Rada in its entirety will be accepted by many with gratitude.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 28 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      Although here the destruction of the Rada in its entirety will be accepted by many with gratitude.

      Is it really so difficult to recruit a new roster? The competition is worse there than at the coolest faculty in universities.
      1. vilenich
        vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Is it really so difficult to recruit a new roster?

        So you need to find another 450 millionaires! It will be difficult!
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 28 August 2013 12: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: vilenich
          So you need to find another 450 millionaires!

          Not at all. Enough for one millionaire, a dozen or ten sip or sing along.
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 28 August 2013 13: 45 New
            0
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Enough for one millionaire, a dozen or ten sip or sing along.

            These are called their assistants.
      2. domokl
        domokl 29 August 2013 05: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Is it really so difficult to recruit a new roster?

        And once again? Recruit it? How many trains were recruited in almost a quarter century? And who chose?
        Once upon a time, the USSR as part of Ukraine united territories completely different in culture, development, and historical roots. Polish-Austrian west, Russian east and Turkish Crimea. Soviet times smoothed corners a little, but did not remove them at all. WWII proved this.
        Now the pro-Western part of Ukraine is in power. And, therefore, the agreement will be signed by anyone. And Russia will have to, among other things, close the border not only for Ukrainian goods, but also for Ukrainians. After a couple of years, a visa regime will be introduced and, probably, already in New Years, Ukrainian Gaster in Russia will have to run away from the police as Tajiks or Uzbeks.
    2. zmey_gadukin
      zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: leon-iv
      the destruction of Rada in full

      Well, there are still some ministers ... although destruction is too much, but returning loot from offshore ... Ukraine’s GDP can be provided for several years ahead.
  12. desiscia
    desiscia 28 August 2013 10: 26 New
    -3
    Not an article but bullshit, you all think that in Ukraine they only think about how to spoil Russia. But this is paranoia in your echelon of power. hi
    1. ed65b
      ed65b 28 August 2013 10: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: desiscia
      Not an article but bullshit, you all think that in Ukraine they only think about how to spoil Russia. But this is paranoia in your echelon of power. hi

      The same as in yours, no more no less.
    2. Sour
      Sour 28 August 2013 13: 43 New
      +2
      When Ukraine did not pass Russian gas to Europe - whose paranoia was it?
      And did the Ukrainian media talk about the "trade war" then? Now they say about chocolate. And then they said something wrong.
      To spoil Russia is the meaning of the existence of Ukraine as a separate state. Ukraine is no longer needed for anything. I emphasize - exactly a separate state, not self. There are few independent states on the planet, and Ukraine will never be among them. Of course, it can be independent of Russia. But only at the cost of dependence on someone else.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 28 August 2013 17: 08 New
        0
        Quote: Sour
        When Ukraine did not pass Russian gas to Europe - whose paranoia was it?

        And what do you mean by that? Gazprom unilaterally revised the price, there were still a lot of points from Russia, the Orange leaders reacted sharply to this ... so whose paranoia?
        Quote: Sour
        And did the Ukrainian media talk about the "trade war" then? Now they say about chocolate. And then they said something wrong.

        And not only Ukrainian ones spoke ... Only not about "trade", but about "gas".
        Quote: Sour
        To spoil Russia is the meaning of the existence of Ukraine as a separate state. Ukraine is no longer needed for anything

        Clear-panyatna ... Could you tell me the meaning of the existence of the remaining "separate" 193 states of the world? And which ones "independent"
  13. PavelOPG
    PavelOPG 28 August 2013 10: 35 New
    +4
    and where do we get them so much fat in Siberia? laughing
    1. Pit
      Pit 28 August 2013 10: 39 New
      +4
      They will live without a year, but they will grow up in the second, and that's enough for us hi
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 28 August 2013 11: 08 New
        +5
        Quote: Pit
        They will live without a year, but they will grow up in the second

        As my Ukrainian relatives say, one cannot buy their own fat for a long time. Is that in scanty amounts in the market. Everything foreign is more on the shelves. And in the west, the thickness of fat (bacon) is strictly limited. You won’t heal here.
        1. alex13-61
          alex13-61 28 August 2013 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Hedgehog
          As my Ukrainian relatives say, one cannot buy their own fat for a long time.

          Not ... still found, but more Polish.
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 August 2013 11: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: alex13-61
            Not ... still found

            Yeah, and I'm talking about the same thing in the second sentence of that post. good
        2. zmey_gadukin
          zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 46 New
          +4
          Damn, where does your Ukrainian relative live? Or doesn’t he go further than Kiev supermarkets? we have only our own in the Donbass - local ... come feed us. With meat and vodka ..
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 August 2013 13: 00 New
            0
            Quote: zmey_gadukin
            Damn, where does your Ukrainian relative live?

            Yes, near Lozova and they live.
            1. zmey_gadukin
              zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 13: 17 New
              0
              Well then, I don’t understand something ... Kharkiv region is an agricultural region, especially since I personally know the owners of pig farms in Kharkiv region, though not in Lozova ...
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 28 August 2013 13: 43 New
                0
                Quote: zmey_gadukin
                I personally know the owners of pig farms

                I just repeated the words of my brother-in-law. If there is a lie in my words, scold my brother-in-law who voiced this phrase. drinks
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 15: 57 New
                  0
                  Clear)))))))) drinks
              2. klirens
                klirens 28 August 2013 13: 50 New
                0
                Kharkiv region is an agricultural region

                Who told you that? Personal acquaintance with the owners of pig farms is a powerful argument. But not on this issue.
                1. zmey_gadukin
                  zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 15: 56 New
                  0
                  Quote: klirens
                  Who told you that?

                  and due to what does the region live?
                  yes, you can use googlemaps to evaluate the scale of the processed fields.
                  I dare to recall that in the Kharkiv region there are practically no large enterprises, as in the Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia or Dnipropetrovsk regions ...
                  Except for Kharkov itself, of course.
        3. vilenich
          vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          As my Ukrainian relatives say, one cannot buy their own fat for a long time.

          Well, it's too much, something, but enough fat. There would be denyuzhki!
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 August 2013 13: 03 New
            0
            Quote: vilenich
            Well, it's too much, something, but enough fat. There would be denyuzhki!

            Are there many retirees of those denyuzyak? And having money, everything is available all over the world.
            1. vilenich
              vilenich 28 August 2013 13: 47 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Are there many retirees of those denyuzyak?

              Well, somewhere around a kilogram for a 20 minimum pension is enough.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 28 August 2013 16: 20 New
                0
                Quote: vilenich
                a kilogram for a minimum pension of 20 is enough.

                At the sister-in-law just a minimum, something about 800 hryvnias. You will not be full of fat alone.
                1. vilenich
                  vilenich 28 August 2013 17: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Hedgehog
                  You will not be full of fat alone.

                  So after all, it’s also difficult to master 20 kilograms of fat per month.
                  At 800 hryvnias it is generally problematic to live, especially in the city, utilities will eat up the lion's share of the pension.
        4. Jake danzels
          Jake danzels 28 August 2013 13: 32 New
          +4
          Ukrainian relatives are not well informed to you.
          I buy :) and lard and homemade meat, come and have a drink and pour moonshine.
          1. vilenich
            vilenich 28 August 2013 22: 08 New
            0
            Quote: Jake Danzels
            come treat and moonshine pour.

            Where to go!?
  14. avt
    avt 28 August 2013 10: 36 New
    +3
    Quote: desiscia
    . But this is paranoia in your echelon of power.

    Do you think the article was written by Putin, hiding under a pseudonym? laughing Except for a rather heated discussion of the topic on the site, in other media on this topic the races have almost ZERO publications, after the candy action, and it did not cause much excitement and came to naught instantly.
  15. vikov
    vikov 28 August 2013 10: 37 New
    0
    The old rule: So you do not get to anyone! wink
  16. Nike
    Nike 28 August 2013 10: 37 New
    -1
    I would like to ask the author of this "work" who writes and says this and where? if this is some zapadenskie media, what do you want from them, they have been playing on this for 17 years and should they play along? I did not expect such a serious website ...
    1. vikov
      vikov 28 August 2013 10: 46 New
      -14 qualifying.
      These are already echoes of Yaroslavna’s crying from the Kremlin wall, though wretched like all Russian politics towards neighbors.
      1. avt
        avt 28 August 2013 17: 39 New
        +2
        Quote: vikov
        These are already echoes of Yaroslavna’s crying from the Kremlin wall, though wretched like all Russian politics towards neighbors.

        laughing laughing Crying where! fool laughing The article just says that in the Kremlin there will be no crying, but the campaign, like capercaillie, can hear only their singing and see everything in pink, quite euoropeyskoy color. laughing
        Quote: optimist
        The loss of Ukraine and Belarus, ultimately the death of Russia itself.

        Delusions of grandeur from simply pouting their cheeks for the sake of some sort of bonus seem to have already passed to the clinic. Well, nothing, in the European Union they will quickly put you in your place, and even at your expense. laughing There will be no great Ukrainian couples there, and even no one will joke, like the EBN, from the European Commissioners to demand that they think about Ukraine every morning. There your books ala Ukraine is not Russia, nobody will read anything - they won’t publish, even if you’re a hundred volumes Ukraine will write Europa.
        Quote: optimist
        start to threaten, get scarecrow-onishchenko, etc. etc.

        No one scared, much less threatened, just held a rehearsal and training of personnel before the upcoming entry into force of the Association Agreement, which will finally come into force and this Tyagomotin Kuyanukovichska will finally end and everything will fall into place, according to the laws of capitalism. Interesting - but what is the name Kuchma not printed out? The second time pops up some kind of ku instead of a surname.
  17. optimist
    optimist 28 August 2013 10: 37 New
    -4
    Article minus. It's one thing to "scare" some ..., (deleted by the moderator) and another thing to drive a wedge between really fraternal peoples. The Kremlin itself is to blame for this situation: instead of using clever political and other maneuvers to turn Kiev in its direction (or carefully "change" the Kiev regime, as our sworn friends from overseas always do), they begin to threaten, to get the scarecrow-onishchenko etc. etc. The loss of Ukraine and Belarus, ultimately the death of Russia itself.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +6
      optimist
      I, as a moderator, deleted something. negative
      Buddy, remember, this is not a kitchen market, the rules apply for everyone.
      Everything that is beyond the scope, we will delete. I look forward to understanding.
      1. optimist
        optimist 28 August 2013 11: 07 New
        +3
        I'm upset. A very sore subject. I myself am an ethnic Ukrainian, but a citizen of the Russian Federation.
    2. AZB15
      AZB15 28 August 2013 11: 57 New
      +7
      I am now in Ukraine. My mother is Ukrainian, my wife is Ukrainian, I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine, but I can say that there is no "brotherly" people, and there has been for a long time. Most of the older people retain a positive attitude towards Russia. Young people are mostly either neutral or in a negative sense - "Russia is to blame for all our troubles." Moreover, a positive attitude towards Russia is mainly in small towns and in the countryside, in large centers, the people are for complete independence.
      I will write even more. The attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia is much worse than towards Russians in Ukraine. This is said by both those working with us and those who come to us, and I myself know.
      All, of course, swear at the Kiev authorities in the tail and in the mane, swear and "prisoner" in the same way, but want to live independently.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 49 New
        0
        plus you buddy ...
        1. georg737577
          georg737577 28 August 2013 14: 34 New
          +1
          I join ...
      2. varov14
        varov14 28 August 2013 15: 10 New
        +1
        But who's stopping them, let them live, but not at my expense. When the Union collapsed, I thought who will live in chocolate so this is Ukraine, but no, everything has dragged on from Russia, that's enough. Relatives in Ukraine and the Bryansk region, as a young man, were always surprised - two villages nearby, one in Ukraine, the other in the Bryansk region, in one there were brick houses, in the other there were huts under thatched roofs with earthen floors. As a Uralian was in shock, he had never seen anything like this at home, and the question immediately arose that the Russian collective farmer was working worse than the Ukrainian one? Enough to feed the Russian peasant all his relatives. If Putin puts a stop to Ukrainian freeloaders - honor and praise, each for himself - live independently, what’s the matter.
        1. creak
          creak 28 August 2013 15: 49 New
          0
          Mud huts from adobe under thatched roofs and an earthen floor - this is in Ukraine, but in the Bryansk oblast there are log huts, the benefit of the forest is enough, in my opinion. It happened to be in Ukraine and in the Bryansk region, incl. and on the border with Ukraine (Pogarsky district).
      3. Sochi
        Sochi 28 August 2013 15: 47 New
        +1
        "I will write even more. The attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia is much worse than towards Russians in Ukraine."
        I am Ukrainian, I live in Russia and no one reproached me for it !!!! I personally see a lot of Ukrainians who came to work in Russia - they have no problems, they work and earn money, there are those who move here for permanent residence - no discrimination, no problems. Now, if they begin to drive on Russia, to be rude and crap, to prove that the Russian Ugro-Finno-Mongolo-Tatars and in general are drunk and can not do anything, then yes, they can easily get such a score on the scoreboard.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 28 August 2013 17: 13 New
          -3
          Quote: Sochi
          I personally see a lot of Ukrainians who came to work in Russia - they have no problems, they work and earn money, there are those who move here for permanent residence - no discrimination, no problems.

          Answer: "Ukrainian illegal immigrants are leaving Russia en masse"
          http://news.mail.ru/inworld/ukraina/global/112/society/14507331/?frommail=1
      4. Flooding
        Flooding 28 August 2013 16: 52 New
        0
        Quote: AZB15
        The attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia is much worse than towards Russians in Ukraine. This is said by both those working with us and those who come to us, and I myself know.

        Maybe there are simply more Ukrainians in Russia than the other way around.
        So it goes like this, if not in qualitative, then in quantitative terms.
    3. vilenich
      vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 50 New
      +1
      Quote: optimist
      The loss of Ukraine and Belarus, ultimately the death of Russia itself.

      "Death" is certainly too strong a word, but the loss is significant. A strong power should grow in territories, and not squander them!
    4. Fish_Ob_Ice
      Fish_Ob_Ice 29 August 2013 00: 26 New
      +1
      yes, that's exactly what Ukrainian politicians say to fooled citizens: we would go to the CU, but we’ll be persuaded badly)))
      chickens to laugh such stories.
  18. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 28 August 2013 10: 45 New
    +5
    For starters, Ukraine will stop selling titanium ores to northern barbarians

    Good morning everyone!
    A relative living and working in Dnepropetrovsk told.
    Several years ago, in the evening, a titanium "ingot" weighing, say, 600 kg was brought to the plant from Russia. Unloaded, signed for receipt, went home. In the morning they come, "pigs" are not, as if it never existed.
    Svidomo citizens! Well, Russia will not make titanium. And then what will your brothers steal? You’ll also block their breathing room. They only eat moonshine and will only have a crust of bread to bite. And so they drink their pepper vodka, they eat it with yummy, they support the Ukrainian producer.
    1. vilenich
      vilenich 28 August 2013 12: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Hedgehog
      In the morning they come, "pigs" no, as if it never existed.

      So these are our common Allied traditions; this does not surprise anyone.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 28 August 2013 13: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: vilenich
        So these are our common Allied traditions; this does not surprise anyone.

        Knowing the name of the enterprise, this is surprising. On that titanium there all production is held.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 28 August 2013 13: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Knowing the name of the enterprise, this is surprising.

          Can you rest on Yuzhmash?
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 28 August 2013 14: 25 New
            +2
            Quote: vilenich
            Can you rest on Yuzhmash?

            I did not say that! This is Vitali said! wassat
            1. vilenich
              vilenich 28 August 2013 14: 40 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              This is Vitali said!

              Come on Eugene, I just assumed ...
  19. deman73
    deman73 28 August 2013 11: 06 New
    +1
    there is no point in the article
  20. bistrov.
    bistrov. 28 August 2013 11: 19 New
    +7
    No, after all, the question is rather painful. The fact is that the Ukrainian people (and among them, according to the smallest estimates, there are more than 7 million ethnic Russians alone) no one asked where they wanted to go. This is the right to speak on his behalf, was usurped by the Ukrainian nouveau riche and their servants, who have been saying at all crossroads for a long time that "Ukraine" has made its choice. In fact, no one asked the Ukrainian people and is not going to ask, they are going to confront them with the fact, as in 1991, when the nationalists, with bribery, threats and, for some unknown reason, forced the then Supreme Soviet of Soviet Ukraine to make a decision to secede from the USSR. Then the Ukrainian people were told how they would live in "vile" Ukraine. What this led to and how he lives now, we now have the opportunity to observe. Something similar is planned now. The United States and Europe, through their agents of influence, such as Tymoshenko, Yatsenyuk, Klitschko (opposition) and the current power structures that have joined them, led by Yanukovych, are trying with all their might to finally tear Ukraine away from Russia. Tellingly, declaring the same slogans in words, the authorities and the opposition are irreconcilable enemies. But in any case, the opposition has nothing to lose, for it the worse the better, and the current Ukrainian government has something to lose, in the event of an unpredictable scenario, it will be swept away. Therefore, they pull the nails in one place, and therefore try to sit on two chairs, the fact is that they are quite satisfied with the current situation, when they have been living in "Europe" for a long time, store capital there, own real estate, teach their offspring, receive treatment and rest there, and the means for this are earned in Ukraine, robbing the Ukrainian people. And here there was a stalemate: by refusing to sign an associate membership, they risk losing all their capital abroad and becoming restricted to travel abroad (for example, Cyprus, - the "European Union" demonstrated an indicative flogging), having signed it, they risk completely collapse the financial and economic situation in the country and finally destabilize the already hanging by a thread political tolerance and stability. But, in all likelihood, "one's own shirt is closer to the body" and the current government chooses "Europe." Under these conditions, the Communist Party of Ukraine, seeking to put a barrier on the criminal path of the Ukrainian oligarchs and power structures expressing their interests, collects signatures to announce a referendum on this topic. Let the Ukrainian people decide where to go!
  21. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 11: 53 New
    -7
    Quote: optimist
    Article minus

    And no one thinks how great Russian business will feel when it comes to the supply of components or the final product from Ukraine, for example, engineering. This product is bought in Ukraine not because someone is sorry for Ukrainians or a Ukrainian entrepreneur for virtue itself, but for completely different reasons that are completely unrelated to politics. So, not only Ukrainian saloids will suffer from the sanctions, but also b-vodkozhera. Only some of the politicians care about this, they themselves will remain in ruin.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 28 August 2013 12: 13 New
      +4
      Quote: sop.ov
      no one thinks how Russian business related to supplies from Ukraine will feel great

      And Russia will find a way to replace the lost, measures are already being taken either to organize the production of missing components in Russia, or to replace them with imports from other countries. In an extreme case, Ukraine will not go anywhere, and will still be forced to sell the necessary products, since otherwise it will completely lose production. And Russia will hit such types of Ukrainian exports as food, packaging materials, etc. For example, the Sirius-Extruzhen chemical plant in Khmelnitsky, owned by the Ukrainian oligarch Kipish, which ranks first in Ukraine in terms of the amount of packaging film produced, practically stopped during the customs crisis, since almost all of the film produced by him goes to Russia. Russia can buy film in China, or organize production at home, this is not difficult, but 300 highly paid, skilled workers of Kipisha will be fired, and the plant will stop, because Europe does not need its film, there is enough of its own.
    2. klirens
      klirens 28 August 2013 13: 43 New
      0
      Quote: sop.ov
      Quote: optimist
      Article minus

      And no one thinks how great Russian business will feel when it comes to the supply of components or the final product from Ukraine, for example, engineering.


      I ask for examples of "the end product, for example mechanical engineering" except for the products of FED and MotorSich.
  22. vladek64
    vladek64 28 August 2013 12: 00 New
    +1
    It is unclear to whom this article was written.

    If for Ukrainians (like think better of it!), Then a disrespectful tone in relation to Ukraine is unpleasant to me. And Ukrainians are unlikely to listen to someone who expresses disrespect for Ukraine.

    If the article is written for Russians, then what idea do Russians want to inspire?
    The thought that Ukraine is a "cut-off piece", a traitor to Russia, a bad prostitute of the West? And what is the use of such thoughts to Russians?
    To unite the Slavs, having such thoughts in mind, will fail. But aggravating the division is easy.

    So "to whose mill are you pouring water" Mr. Lekuh?

    PS Recently, there has been an avalanche of articles, which the authors seem to address to the Ukrainian ruling "elite". The main idea of ​​these articles is: "What are you cretants doing?" The humor of the situation lies in the fact that the Ukrainian ruling "elite" does not read these articles, so this is a shot into the void. These articles are read by ordinary Ukrainians, but these articles are not addressed to them.
    If you have anything to advise ordinary Ukrainians - advise, and do not frighten "refugees", etc. Russia itself can be frightening examples for Ukrainians: photographs of how Uraza-Bayram is celebrated in Moscow can shock the same people of Kiev.
    1. edge
      edge 28 August 2013 15: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: vladek64
      disrespectful tone, in relation to Ukraine, is unpleasant to me. And Ukrainians are unlikely to listen to someone who expresses disrespect for Ukraine

      so they screamed with pleasure when the Anglo-Saxon concert in Odessa and dragged Russian and Ukrainian flags through their pants .... only our faces were smashed to them and they were kicked out .... and Ukrainians ......... call korifan you have no pride in your country
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 28 August 2013 17: 25 New
        -1
        Quote: hert
        so they screamed with pleasure when the Anglo-Saxon at a concert in Odessa and dragged Russian and Ukrainian flags through their pants .... only our faces were smashed to them and kicked back home ....

        Do you seriously think that if the first concert in Russia, with the same antics, would the Russian visitors of the disco behave differently? This is a PUNK group and the same people go to its concerts. So I'm sure, too, would "yell with pleasure"
      2. vladek64
        vladek64 28 August 2013 19: 18 New
        +1
        My pride in the country does not depend on the behavior of some Ukrainian punks at a concert of American punk. In Russia, this shit is also enough.

        And you just equated the author of the article with American punk.
  23. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 12: 26 New
    -5
    Quote: bistrov.
    or substitution with import from other countries

    without a doubt. Only in this there are many components - time, price, quality, uniqueness. During the crisis, Russian partners tried to replace something with a Chinese one in order to save money, but in the end they refused - the wrapper is beautiful, but inside is far from rosy.
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 28 August 2013 15: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: sop.ov
      There are many components in this - time, price, quality, uniqueness

      Almost all enterprises in Ukraine own private business. Explain to me how you will force a private trader, not violating the laws, not to sell his products to where it is beneficial to him? During World War II, American enterprises supplied their products to Nazi Germany, although the USA and Germany were warring parties and the state could not do anything about it.
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 28 August 2013 15: 58 New
        0
        Quote: bistrov.
        the state could not do anything about it

        But today, when there is really no war, Sanction is for sanction. Maybe statehood, oh how can it, only it always puts its own interest above the rest!
      2. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 16: 09 New
        -1
        Quote: bistrov.
        without breaking the law, do not sell their products to where it is profitable to him?

        amending the laws is easier ...
  24. zw.pnz-58
    zw.pnz-58 28 August 2013 12: 42 New
    +1
    ... the "western part" will be monolithic, the center will "support" it, and, accordingly, all hostilities will go in the East ... Are you sure of this, gentlemen? Somewhere we heard it, our grandfathers and great-grandfathers also heard it. That's just the story teaches another.
    ... in the worst case scenario, the “western part” of Ukraine should prepare a will for itself, namely political and possibly national.

    Yours faithfully,
    Heir.
  25. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 28 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    I don’t see any particular problems: the Ukrainians of the EU will be full, they will understand that they are brazenly milked there and in return only universal values ​​offer and return to Russia. In general, it’s time for all the former Soviet republics to return home to the USSR, it’s enough to walk around the wrong hands in the person of the USA and their NATO henchmen.
    1. edge
      edge 28 August 2013 15: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Russkiy_Prapor
      the Ukrainians of the EU will eat up, they will understand that they are brazenly milked there and in return only universal values ​​offer and return to Russia.

      This is unlikely, they will not be released (this is the occupation of a brother) ....
  26. repytw
    repytw 28 August 2013 13: 31 New
    0
    Europe does not need Ukraine, another impoverished member, everything is being done to separate the fraternal peoples. When it was necessary 20 million to win the Maidan, it is not that Russia does not have that kind of money, in Ukraine about Russian-minded people.
  27. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 13: 58 New
    0
    Quote: klirens
    "final product, such as mechanical engineering"

    metallurgical equipment, coke oven equipment
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 28 August 2013 14: 05 New
      +1
      Calm down already. Borders will be open, they will simply take customs payments as for all foreign goods, well, Ukrainian products in the CU will rise in price by 30-40% and everything is business. It all depends on the buyer, he agrees to pay more for this product with a certain quality, so you are lucky, if not, do not blame me. It is not for me or you to decide, the market will put everything in its place.
    2. klirens
      klirens 28 August 2013 15: 07 New
      +1
      Here are some examples:
      1. Kiev State Holding Company "ARTEM" produces R-27 - medium-range air-to-air missiles, which are part of the armament of MiG and SU aircraft. The main consumer is Russia.
      2. State Enterprise Kharkov Machine-Building Plant "FED" (State Enterprise KhMZ FED) produces high-precision fuel control equipment, integrated hydraulic drives, hydraulic motors, hydraulic pumps, pumping stations for the aviation industry and other engineering industries. The main consumer is Russia.
      3. JSC "MOTOR SICH" (Zaporozhye) - produces reliable aircraft engines and gas turbine units. The main consumer is Russia.
      4. ..... And so on, you can list a lot.

      All these enterprises have only one main sales market - the Russian one. If Russia closes its market to them - the end of these plants. Tales that new European markets will be found, etc. - This is a fairy tale for brainless youth, not grown pro-Western ideology in recent years. The end of the entire economy of Ukraine.
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 28 August 2013 15: 15 New
        0
        Quote: klirens
        I ask for examples of "the end product, for example mechanical engineering" except for the products of FED and MotorSich.

        after all, they themselves asked, except for the FED and Motorsich ....
  28. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: klirens
    FED products

    which one is meant?
  29. Sour
    Sour 28 August 2013 14: 15 New
    +6
    Quote: AZB15
    I am now in Ukraine. My mother is Ukrainian, my wife is Ukrainian, I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine, but I can say that there is no "brotherly" people, and there has been for a long time. Most of the older people retain a positive attitude towards Russia. Young people are mostly either neutral or in a negative sense - "Russia is to blame for all our troubles." Moreover, a positive attitude towards Russia is mainly in small towns and in the countryside, in large centers, the people are for complete independence.
    I will write even more. The attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia is much worse than towards Russians in Ukraine. This is said by both those working with us and those who come to us, and I myself know.
    All, of course, swear at the Kiev authorities in the tail and in the mane, swear and "prisoner" in the same way, but want to live independently.


    It's like that.
    I heard from many, and was convinced myself. Tales about the "brotherly people" warm the souls of people far from reality. I was personally convinced that the wildest, incredible, delusional ideas about Russia and its politics, about its people and the standard of living prevail in Ukraine. And I don't even think that this is the result of propaganda. I did not notice such propaganda on Ukrainian TV. Rather, it is a defensive psychological reaction so as not to go crazy and leave your mentality intact (otherwise there will be a blow to the psyche, which not everyone can withstand). The Gromadians willingly believe that things are allegedly even worse for their eastern neighbor. How else to live if you don't believe in it? No propaganda is needed here. People themselves come up with fairy tales about Russia, so as not to doubt the correctness of what they and their parents believed in all their lives - in the fairy tales about "hungry and backward Russia", which has always lived at the expense of Ukraine and which is guilty of all its troubles. And also - about "Russian drunkenness", which is supposedly even stronger than Ukrainian. And also that in Russia there are only Chinese people. And that kind of nonsense. But not a word about the fact that, for example, in Penza or Kaluga there are more cars per thousand inhabitants than in Kiev (I do not compare Moscow with Kirovograd). And not a word about the fact that Russia is increasingly providing itself with food. One of the largest grain exporters. For the last 5 years pork production in Russia has doubled, and the share of imported poultry in Russian stores decreased from 47% to 13%. And you won't find Roshen chocolate right away in Russia, there is much more local chocolate on sale. A Ukrainian will never believe in these numbers, but he will willingly believe in terrible tales about Russia. A protective reaction of the psyche, so as not to go crazy.
    Is the attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia getting worse? I agree. It is definitely worse than it was before. I wonder why? It seems that there is no anti-Ukrainian propaganda in Russia. But nonetheless. According to my observations, the Maidan gave impetus to this. Anti-Russian hysteria (counting on the sympathy of the West) has not been forgotten in Russia. Everyone clearly saw what kind of "brothers" live in the southwest. And everyone remembers that in Ukraine none of the major politicians raised their voices against this hysteria. And behind the politicians is the electorate.
    1. Fish_Ob_Ice
      Fish_Ob_Ice 29 August 2013 00: 44 New
      0
      + 1

      Unfortunately, insolent Ukrainian politicians only speculate on the "brotherhood of peoples" - well, when they need to get some preferences from a neighbor.

      And more:
      if we have "even worse", then why are the non-pecuniary ones going to Russia to earn money? There are also Poland and other European neighbors. My aunt from the Chernivtsi region has been traveling to the Moscow region for 10 years - she works as a nanny. At home, she will earn at best a third of her earnings in Russia, so the difference is very noticeable (
  30. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 14: 16 New
    0
    Quote: sop.ov
    Calm down already. Borders will be open

    about whether they will buy or not, I don’t really worry - the bigger metal holdings switched to open tender even in pre-crisis times (the results are sometimes affected by the amount of kickbacks, but this is particular). But the Customs Circus of Russia kaneshno strained not only Ukrainians - our partners Russians themselves ofigeli.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 28 August 2013 14: 29 New
      +3
      You quickly get used to the good. Therefore, when asked to prepare for customs clearance in a general manner, and this is a hemorrhoid procedure, a tantrum begins. In general, everything will be fine, but there are Latvian sprats and Georgian mineral water on the Russian market (although for most it is very expensive) and have occupied a certain niche with their quality, these states do not have much from this, but companies from these countries have something earn. There will be a niche for Ukrainian goods, but the market will definitely decrease significantly and some enterprises will have to close or reprofile to European standards.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 28 August 2013 14: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: sop.ov
      But the Customs Circus of Russia kaneshno strained not only Ukrainians - our partners Russians themselves ofigeli.

      Of course, it will be better with the European monkey nursery, only there are the main gorillas, with which Ukraine cannot compete, and appeal to the "brotherhood" too.
  31. Vtel
    Vtel 28 August 2013 14: 38 New
    +1
    Moreover, the "western part" will be monolithic, the center will "support" it, and, accordingly, all military operations will go in the East. And these are the wild flows of refugees that the Russian Federation simply cannot "digest", gangs that terrorize not only Donetsk and Kharkov and Dnepropetrovsk, for example, but also the Oryol and Smolensk regions.


    Such an ostentation of sho zapidantsy and the center - an organized meteorite flying towards Geivrope, we will see from the collision later, I think a lot of humus will be. But in the wild east, from the article it follows, the terrible gangs of Russian-speaking Ukrainians gathered, the descendants of Old Man Makhno. The question is - where did the Ukrainian workers go, who was nursing and those who were flying in a meteorite toward kudy were sent and those who were fighting without rules at Inhney Duma. Robots in Oryol and Smolensk rescue and who can - Comrade. Budyonny task. Crimea tilko it’s not clear where he was sailing, we left the anchor - we are waiting in Novorossiysk.
  32. georg737577
    georg737577 28 August 2013 14: 42 New
    -5
    The number of paid "anti-Ukrainian" articles on this resource (and many other resources) has been steadily growing lately, probably Putin and K * are seriously concerned about Ukraine's increasingly obvious unwillingness to join the Customs Union ...
    1. Sour
      Sour 28 August 2013 14: 49 New
      -1
      Much more important for "Putin and Co." not Ukraine’s entry into the CU, but that Ukraine does not conclude a free trade agreement with the EU. This is elementary. If Ukraine is a free trade zone with Europe, then Russia will inevitably have to protect its market and tighten the customs regime on the Russian-Ukrainian border. What do you want, panov? Turning back to Russia, but should it look different to you? And there is no politics. Elementary protectionist measures, within the framework of WTO rules.
      Ukraine wants to fill its market with European goods? Yes, for God's sake, but this should not be a problem for Russia. And they hinted at this to Ukraine. Your problems should remain only your problems.
    2. maxvet
      maxvet 28 August 2013 15: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: georg737577
      The number of paid "anti-Ukrainian" articles on this resource (and many other resources) has been steadily growing lately, probably Putin and K * are seriously concerned about Ukraine's increasingly obvious unwillingness to join the Customs Union ...

      you seriously think that they are paying
      Quote: georg737577
      Putin and K *
      ?
  33. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 14: 47 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    the monkey house will be better, only the main gorillas are there

    we sell our products there, as well as to Arabs, Indians and Paxitans. But to Russia there are more
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 28 August 2013 15: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: sop.ov
      But to Russia there are more

      Well then, you will not mind when I call your country Dill.
      1. LINX
        LINX 29 August 2013 04: 41 New
        -1
        "But there is more in Russia"

        No more in the next branch already wrote

        From where such confidence that Ukraine lives only with supplies to the Russian Federation. To date, the Russian Federation accounts for only 23-24% of Ukrainian exports, for the same EU and even more. More than a third of exports go to the countries of Asia and Africa and their share is constantly growing.

        Still need to consider such points:

        - most of the export to the Russian Federation is the return of processed raw materials from the Russian Federation itself (carbohydrates - chemistry, components - mechanical engineering, etc.), i.e. limiting Ukrainian imports will be equivalent for Russia to limiting its exports (Ukraine has already reduced the consumption of purchased lard gas by 20 already, the shortage of gas tanks several times exceeds all exports from Ukraine)

        - Some Ukrainian products in Russia are not able to refuse and replace with their production. (e.g. Turboatom products);

        All these sweets, cheeses ... there is more screech than wool.

        The main export products of Ukraine for the Russian Federation are pipes, chemistry, engineering and only then

        And what we have on the way out - the restriction of Ukrainian imports to the Russian Federation for Ukraine will not have such catastrophic consequences as many people are urging here (the maximum loss is up to 15-20% of exports, and automatically with a significant reduction in imports), and this will Russia hit first and foremost with its enterprises having relations with Ukrainian partners.
  34. Naval
    Naval 28 August 2013 14: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: vladek64
    If the article is written for Russians, then what idea do Russians want to inspire?
    The thought that Ukraine is a "cut-off piece", a traitor to Russia, a bad prostitute of the West? And what is the use of such thoughts to Russians?

    There is only one benefit, they, I mean the Russians, should get used to the fact that there is no brotherly people with whom we lived in the same country, but there is an independent, sovereign state with its ambitions that has not suffered from the childhood illness of nationalism. And as soon as these chimeras are eroded from the head of the Russians, and only practicality and common sense remain, everything will immediately improve on its own. Moreover, Ukraine as a trading partner, with the signing of an agreement with the EU, is unreliable. From the experience of the Baltic states it can be seen that as soon as the EU comes, it covers all inefficient production, and it is no secret to anyone that efficiency is not so hot. In Latvia, for example, the RAF, VEF, electric train production, etc., were closed, and Latvia itself was depopulated, the EU is considering a project on the settlement of empty territories by refugees from Africa and Asia. And do not attribute to me hatred of Ukraine. I myself come from Ukraine, from a Ukrainian-speaking family, and I have a lot of relatives there, but we must face the truth, we have already lost Ukraine. You can’t be a little pregnant, leaving, leave. They say that a terrible end is better than endless horror.
    1. vladek64
      vladek64 28 August 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Naval
      we have already lost Ukraine.


      Forever lost? You do not want to leave our children and grandchildren any hope of a possible unification in the future? This is a one day policy. Without any strategy.
  35. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 28 August 2013 14: 51 New
    +4
    Quote: AZB15
    I am now in Ukraine. My mother is Ukrainian, my wife is Ukrainian, I have a lot of relatives in Ukraine, but I can say that there is no "brotherly" people, and there has been for a long time. Most of the older people retain a positive attitude towards Russia. Young people are mostly either neutral or in a negative sense - "Russia is to blame for all our troubles." Moreover, a positive attitude towards Russia is mainly in small towns and in the countryside, in large centers, the people are for complete independence.
    I will write even more. The attitude towards Ukrainians in Russia is much worse than towards Russians in Ukraine. This is said by both those working with us and those who come to us, and I myself know.
    All, of course, swear at the Kiev authorities in the tail and in the mane, swear and "prisoner" in the same way, but want to live independently.

    You were told directly that the choice of the EU or the CU is your sovereign choice! The Russian Federation does not crush you, you want to live independently - so live, but you can forget about privileges and "special" customs relations (read - the borders are open), and you carry your cross independently, as long as you have enough strength. Sincerely.
    1. AZB15
      AZB15 28 August 2013 18: 09 New
      0
      Dwarfik, you, in your polemical fervor, "chew" about the privileges of customs and the cross of independence, apparently inattentively read my postishko! I wrote in Russian: "I am now in Ukraine ...", and from the general meaning it is clear that I am a good-looking Russian, why not?
      Regarding trade wars ... Well, they will raise tariffs, so then they will begin to regulate and reduce, examples are repeated with Belarus. Oh, the AHL swore so swore ... Nobody will drive Ukraine into economic collapse, because as a result, nobody wants to get the F-16's wing and a couple of AWAXes in addition to where the thread is near Kharkov. Then we scratch .... I could write a substantiation for this final joke for a long time and economic and so on, laziness ... I went the best Kherson watermelon in the world to hamster ....
  36. Sour
    Sour 28 August 2013 14: 55 New
    +1
    Quote: Naval
    From the experience of the Baltic states it can be seen that as soon as the EU comes, it covers all inefficient production,

    Why only from the experience of Latvia?
    In Bulgaria, almost all industry has closed, and Bulgarians are increasingly looking for work abroad. More and more as waiters and maids.
    The people there have been revolting for several years, and even recently stormed the parliament building. But they are in the "European family". Let us note in passing that the population there is much smaller than in Ukraine. But even the EU did not have enough money to boost the Bulgarian economy.
    1. Naval
      Naval 28 August 2013 15: 00 New
      0
      I just often visit Latvia and I have many friends there, which is why I referred to Latvia.
  37. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 28 August 2013 15: 05 New
    +4
    The "love triangle" always falls apart ...
    The only question is who is more fortunate - the "left on the beans" civil husband, or New Casanova "Brussels spill". Few people are interested in the fate of his wife, who was in a civil marriage. The common people have a whole set of obscene epithets for this behavior for this.
  38. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 28 August 2013 15: 10 New
    +1
    If we turn to the history of the independence of Ukraine and the events that took place in it in the recent past, I have a question for the Ukrainians in the likeness of "Who is to blame and what has been done" - Tell me, who supported the Orange Revolutions with thousands of rallies? Is the Russian Federation to blame again? What kind of independence can we talk about when integrating into the EU (read: Western undercurrents)? Indeed, the themes of Ukraine and the Russian Federation are frequent, and for some reason Russians are to blame for all the troubles of Ukraine, whether they are politicians or not. Open your eyes, there was such a SUPER power - the USSR !!! Was it bad for Ukraine in its composition? The Customs Union is not the USSR. Words - independence and the EU Association - are antonyms for Ukraine, do not flatter yourself, dear Ukrainians.
  39. USNik
    USNik 28 August 2013 15: 12 New
    0
    Quote: vladek64
    It is unclear to whom this article was written.

    The article was written for Svidomo Ukrainians who forgot to take off their pink glasses.
    An ironic excerpt from the article "Summer annealing. Vaseline still needs to be earned" by Nyura N. Berg from polemika.com.ua
    ... It seems that we will integrate with the EU, which is presented to Ukrainians as a kind of five-star resort operating in the all-inclusive mode. That is, he got up in the morning, and the table was plentifully laid, you are at sea, and the maid at work, on the beach animation, at least pour in the bar of foreign alcohol, and in the evening endless colorful shows. And everything is all-inclusive, and you know you consume, because you won a million on a tram ticket, and all the staff of this plentiful hotel only dreamed that you would settle down and eat / sleep / walk from the free one.
    And that they still give you small and large expenses, and all this because you are incredibly beautiful, smart as a god and give yourself to people in exclusive packaging.
    And there are more than forty of us like this at this hotel. ...
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 28 August 2013 17: 40 New
      0
      Quote: USNik
      The article was written for Svidomo Ukrainians who forgot to take off their pink glasses.

      On the Russian site devoted to military equipment? belay
      I don’t know that there are a lot of "svidomites", and even in "pink glasses". So I would rather believe that the article is for Russian users and with specific goals
    2. vladek64
      vladek64 28 August 2013 19: 30 New
      +1
      Svidomo Ukrainians in pink glasses are unlikely to be found here.

      And to quote some idiot with a very Ukrainian surname Berg, who takes the audacity to speak on behalf of all Ukrainians .... is not very correct.

      There are no people in my environment who are eager to integrate into the EU. But for some reason no one turns to people like us. All articles are for some reason addressed to Svidomo. Do you really think that all svidomye in Ukraine? Or someone inspires you with this idea? So that later you can say: "Kill all Ukrainians. There are no our friends among them."

      Rather than writing articles for Svidomo that Svidomo will not read anyway, it is better to look for friends and allies within Ukraine. Then there will be hope for a future unification. You will be hostile to the Ukrainians and grow yourself another sworn enemy. Like Poland.
  40. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 15: 25 New
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Therefore, when asked to prepare for customs clearance in a general manner

    that in Russia, that in Ukraine, the importing side is engaged in customs clearance, so the border customs posts are still more haemorrhaging. And those who in Russia didn’t have much competition would get hysterical.
  41. sop.ov
    sop.ov 28 August 2013 15: 30 New
    0
    [quote = Gecko] therefore, when asked to prepare for customs clearance in a general manner, and this is a hemorrhoid procedure, a tantrum begins. [/ quote]
    sorry, the link popped up not a user tavo.
    That in Russia, that in Ukraine the importing side is engaged in customs clearance, so the border customs posts are still more haemorrhagic. And those who in Russia didn’t have much competition would get hysterical. [/ Quote]
  42. Troy
    Troy 28 August 2013 15: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Sour
    When Ukraine did not pass Russian gas to Europe - whose paranoia was it?
    And did the Ukrainian media talk about the "trade war" then? Now they say about chocolate. And then they said something wrong.
    To spoil Russia is the meaning of the existence of Ukraine as a separate state. Ukraine is no longer needed for anything. I emphasize - exactly a separate state, not self. There are few independent states on the planet, and Ukraine will never be among them. Of course, it can be independent of Russia. But only at the cost of dependence on someone else.

    And which of the former western republics of the USSR was once an independent state? As far as I remember, only Lithuania (the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, where the Poles, Belarusians, Lithuanians, and Russians lived), and who else was independent and independent? Maybe Moldova (which was either Turks or Romanians), or maybe Latvia and Estonia (there were no such states in nature, Swedes, Germans and Russians taxied there in turn. Or did Great Ukraine once exist (Kievan Rus is not meant)? All these typographic countries were, are and will be only under someone, they should not even dream of any independent political role.
  43. Sour
    Sour 28 August 2013 16: 08 New
    +4
    Quote: bistrov.
    For example, the Sirius-extruzhen chemical plant in Khmelnitsky, owned by the Ukrainian oligarch Kipish, which ranks first in Ukraine in terms of the amount of packaging film produced, practically stopped during the customs crisis, since almost all the film produced by him goes to Russia. Russia can buy film in China, or organize production at home, this is not difficult, but 300 highly paid, skilled workers of Kipisha will be fired, and the plant will stop, because Europe does not need its film, there is enough of its own.

    Now the plant in Tobolsk (LLC Tobolsk-Polymer) is increasing production, which in the near future will allow Russia to completely abandon the import of polymers, including polyethylene. And why does Russia need this Kipish with his plant?
    By the way, what is Ukraine making this film from? Out of independence? In Tobolsk, polyethylene is made from Siberian associated petroleum gas. Does Ukraine have such gas? I suspect that this Kipish plant operates on Russian raw materials. It processes Russian raw materials, and then sells finished products again to Russia. Does Russia really need such a partnership?
  44. vladek64
    vladek64 28 August 2013 22: 07 New
    0
    Quote: Sour
    Anti-Russian hysteria in Russia has not been forgotten. And everyone remembers that in Ukraine, none of the major politicians raised their voices against this hysteria.


    It’s somehow naive to draw conclusions about the people, looking at politicians.
    And for politicians it’s not the electorate, but money. In the Maidan, the United States and Europe poured a lot of money. Therefore, there everyone sang to their tune. If Russia needs politicians, then they just need to buy it as the West does.

    But do not judge a people by its policies. Especially if these politicians are not elected, but appointed from abroad. Otherwise, we will agree to the point that Yeltsin-Kravchuk-Shushkevich destroyed the USSR at the request of the working people.
  45. pensioner
    pensioner 28 August 2013 22: 43 New
    0
    about a hedgehog and bare ass, maybe you heard something?
    We heard: "Yesterday I scared the hedgehog with his bare ass. And today the ass hurts and the hedgehog stutters ...".
  46. pensioner
    pensioner 28 August 2013 22: 49 New
    +1
    It seems to me that such a manic desire of Ukrainian politicians to drag a country into the European Union is due only to one thing: to relieve themselves of all responsibility for it. Eliminate the burden of making conceptual decisions by shifting it to the shoulders of the European bureaucracy. And leave yourself that simpler ...
  47. pensioner
    pensioner 29 August 2013 00: 14 New
    +1
    News from the tape:15: 36 28 August 2013
    Drunk Russians on a tractor illegally entered Ukraine
    - started on the go ...
  48. MOPKOBKA2000
    MOPKOBKA2000 29 August 2013 08: 47 New
    0
    The closer to signing the association, the more delusional the article
  49. Cristall
    Cristall 29 August 2013 10: 44 New
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    read, it was a wonder.
    To begin with, what I did not stop wondering. Ukrainians of this site - you are great. In conditions of pressure and verbal time pressure, you answer clearly, without hysteria, with restraint and competence. Honor and respect. Here, probably the most adequate Ukrainian representatives gathered. Especially Corneli. He and Akim for all these articles are simply lawyers of Ukraine. Well done.
    Many comments are frankly strange. An association is not a membership. Turkey has developed well in an association without membership. What is not an example? Why should we hear about Greece and Bulgaria if we are not asking for membership? It is clear that we are not trying to join the EU, we want to cooperate (I express the opinion that has developed at the moment, although I am a supporter of cooperation with Russia)
    There are comments from the Russians for which you want to shake hands. So good. There are vice versa.
    The best about watermelon. lol Because politics is nonsense, from which unhealthy insinuations.
    Carrot's comment - I agree. I note that there are so many of these articles. Do you remember the time of the articles "Possible War between Ukraine and Russia"? we have peak love. Sometimes there are such mating periods that others cannot understand. By the way, I wanted to ask if we are an erogenous zone for Russia or an outlet. The love of Poland and Russia has long been known. But the Love of Russia and Ukraine is somehow special ... Poland did not lie around. Or is it to everyone like this - to RB and RK, too, probably.
    1. svp67
      svp67 29 August 2013 11: 52 New
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      Quote: Cristall
      . Ukrainians of this site - you are great. In conditions of pressure and verbal time pressure, you answer clearly, without hysteria, with restraint and competently
      Biased ... not always and not all, especially Kars, a very addicted person, with a peculiar form of vision of the dialogue, is guilty.
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    Cristall 29 August 2013 12: 05 New
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    I meant everyone in general, but specifically identified only two. Kars is doing a lot of things right too. There are also enough Russian Kars, but no one said the same thing.
    Tell me where else you can adequately discuss with Ukrainians, even sometimes sinking to meanness (we are talking about specific cases when Akim was cleverly called a "cretin" in a poetic form, to which he did not go down to the level of the one who called him that!)
    In my opinion, the guys earned respect. albeit biased, as a Ukrainian, it simply gives me great pleasure to read how they respond.
    And Kars is also well done. He just has such a manner. But in its subject matter it is irresistible.
    I don’t know, but as for me, the Ukrainians of this site completely refute the myths and stigma of everything that hangs on the nationality “Ukrainian” and the nation of Ukraine.
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      svp67 29 August 2013 12: 23 New
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      Quote: Cristall
      But in its subject matter it is irresistible.
      It’s prejudiced, because it’ll prevail ... For me - he is just an interesting conversationalist, without any oh and ah ...
      1. Kars
        Kars 29 August 2013 12: 55 New
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        It’s biased, because it will prevail ...

        For starters, it’s not worth touching me when HERE)) no. Although it’s nice that they don’t forget.
        As for odalim - well, you can’t say this because you are biased, and I’m with you very often I don’t agree, and personally, YOU count yourself where you can’t win
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          svp67 30 August 2013 03: 10 New
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          For starters, it’s not worth touching me when I HERE)) no.

          I don’t know what you’re not happy with - SLAVA runs ahead of you ... Do you already have your own fans, only that they are not asking for autographs yet, or asking?
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      svp67 29 August 2013 12: 24 New
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      Quote: Cristall
      I don’t know, but as for me, the Ukrainians of this site completely refute the myths and stigma of everything that hangs on the nationality “Ukrainian” and the nation of Ukraine.

      Ukraine is a super-multinational state, and I’m afraid they may not know who they really are by nationality ...