German military exploring St. Petersburg. For peaceful purposes

The official delegation of the Federal Republic of Germany arrived in St. Petersburg today, 26 August. As the REGNUM correspondent was told in the press service of the Western Military District, the delegation is headed by Lieutenant General Hans-Werner Fritz, commander of the joint operational command of the Bundeswehr.

During the planned official visit, the German military will visit the location of the motorized rifle formation of the Western Military District, stationed in the Leningrad Region, where they will get acquainted with the organization of tactical and special training of ZVO military personnel.

German officers will also familiarize themselves with modern approaches to the organization of accommodation, food and leisure of military personnel used in the units of the Western Military District.

In addition, the official visit program provides for a working meeting of the German military delegation with the commander of the Western Military District, Colonel-General Anatoly Sidorov, who will talk about the main tasks facing the largest operational-strategic alliance of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

As part of the cultural program of the official visit, the German military will inspect the sights of St. Petersburg, as well as visit the Peterhof State Museum Reserve. The official visit of the German military delegation will end on August 27.

Comments

[Stiletto]

For what purpose will they "get acquainted with the organization of tactical and special training of the military personnel of the Western Military District"? What are the peaceful goals here?

[kosmos44]

German military exploring St. Petersburg. For peaceful purposes

What? World War II was not enough? We can repeat it.

[rauffg]

Quote: kosmos44

German military exploring St. Petersburg. For peaceful purposes

What? World War II was not enough? We can repeat it.

Duc, then they could not go ...

[LENINGRADE]

YES NO! THEY ARE GOING IN! ONLY UNDER CONVENTION!

[series]

eyeing soupOstat ....
control according Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe (CFE) and application as Flank document regarding the Leningrad region
our also make similar visits to them ...

[Siberian German]

this article was apparently written, but they themselves did not understand the meaning

[Hort]

And do our same visits?
And actually, the main question: why the hell do you need such visits of representatives of the army of a potential enemy (while Germany is in NATO, anyway)?

[Alez]

During visits Gansikov solder, recruit.

[LaGlobal]

Quote: hort

But why the hell do you need such visits of representatives of the army of a potential enemy (while Germany is a NATO member, anyway)?

The so-called "exchange of experience". Something does not smell good here ((

[Grenz]

Quote: hort
But why the hell do you need such visits of representatives of the army of a potential enemy (while Germany is a NATO member, anyway)?The so-called "exchange of experience". It doesn't smell good here (

They were shown signs on the buildings: "THIS SIDE OF THE STREET IS DANGEROUS DURING THE PERIOD OF SHOOTING".
Gansiki consider for the future how to shoot, so that there are no closed zones.
In the 90s, they brought humanitarian aid to us on their planes. So never did the crews repeat themselves. Among the pilots were both French and Americans. Why do you think this was done?

[silver_roman]

I don’t understand this point blank. Before the 41st, our Germans, too, were taught to fly, and in general they shared military craft ....
In addition, now the time is very stressful. not until the visits of the German military command - a member of NATO (enemy No. 1 for Russia) to the center of our culture. It is possible that tomorrow German aircraft and tactical weapons will be aimed at our military facilities.

[dmitreach]

Before the forty-first .... is it in the 20s / early 30s ??? We are not confusing the Weimar Republic?
And rather, not we shared with them, but they with us. And the benefit there was for the USSR — not small!

[silver_roman]

exactly. benefit??? and which one? if memory serves, then at that time the USSR owned the largest air fleet and in technology, especially German ones, did not need very much. Another thing is that closer to the Second World War everything has changed.
"before the 41st" - I put it this way to make it clear what happened to our cooperation and what this friendship led to.
and if you believe that modern Germany has its own exclusive worldview on geopolitics, independent of the senses, then I see no reason to discuss further. I'm just saying that finding a potential enemy in military installations is unacceptable!

[dmitreach]

ba !!!!. what a naivety ... I don't even know whether to enter into a discussion ... I would even say "Holy Simplicity!"
Well, since you are on this site, then read the material from this site.
http://topwar.ru/4015-mif-o-tom-chto-v-sssr-kovalsya-fashistskij-mech.html

and if you believe that modern Germany has its own exclusive worldview on geopolitics, independent of the senses, then I see no reason to discuss further.

I don’t know how to contact you? The young man? However, you are a demagogue. Your phrase in style: if you do not agree with the fact that the USA is the largest economy in the world, then ...
So what? Now do not cooperate with them? Iron curtain? NewBerlin Wall?

For your general education:
The Federal Republic of Germany is one of the largest economies in the world, the largest in Europe. Russia, trading with the eurozone, figuratively speaking, is primarily trading with Germany.

The German company Rheinmetall signed a contract with the Russian Ministry of Defense to establish a modern combat training center in Mulino for the ground forces. The cost of the contract, including the options included in it, is 100 million euros. The company "Rheinmetall" will cooperate with the Russian JSC "Oboronservis". The announcement of this spread the company "Rheinmetall" based in Dusseldorf.

A training center in the Nizhny Novgorod region at the Mulino training ground (Gorokhovets artillery training ground), which is considered the largest in Europe, will be ready in 2014. About 30 thousand troops will be trained annually in the new center.

http://vpk.name/news/61118_germanskaya_kompaniya_reinmetall_poluchila_kontrakt_m


inisterstva_oboronyi_rossii_na_sozdanie_sovremennogo_centra_boevoi_podgotovki_v_


mulino.html

Oh horror, it was in 2011 ... !!! What about today?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuzv0hos3Gg&hd=1 Star. 25.01.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
here's "cinema and the Germans"
Showing Bundeswehr that our gunpowder is dry and that tanks love biathlon, all of NATO knows about it .... and trembles.

[silver_roman]

So what? Now do not cooperate with them? Iron curtain? NewBerlin Wall?

only on the basis of this your phrase, it seems that you are a person of extremes. It is one thing to cooperate (correctly noted - trade), and it is another thing to reveal certain secrets to them. secrets, etc. It goes without saying (most likely) that what the German delegation saw is not a great secret behind seven seals, but nevertheless, one must always take into account the experience of past years.

For your general education:
The Federal Republic of Germany is one of the largest economies in the world, the largest in Europe. Russia, trading with the eurozone, figuratively speaking, is primarily trading with Germany.

For general development, I took note and supplement: the trade turnover with Germany is very decent. But this is all an economy. The states with the PRC have much greater trade turnover, and this does not prevent the first in every possible way to almost openly restrain China's growth, as the Nazis helped in their time, although there were enemies on paper. This is all irrelevant to your words and let us once and for all stop confusing common interests in trade and military affairs - one of the guarantors of our sovereignty.

Let’s call the French then, they sold us the Mistral, Italians .. thank you very much for IVECO ...

Our people have this feature, or rather its absence: vindictiveness. It goes without saying that there is little good in it, but as practice in recent years shows: how much we do not go to meet. no matter how much we try to reboot, reload, and the result is the same: our interests are what they want and there can be no question of partnership. China is conducting an absolutely independent foreign policy. of course he, like everyone else, is dependent on certain factors, and yet about his decisions as external. so the world (in terms of geopolitics and domestic politics) the world will know when it has already happened. It seems to me that so much open behavior with the NATO forces does not bode well.

[dmitreach]

it’s another matter to reveal certain secrets to them. secrets, etc. It goes without saying (most likely) that what the German delegation saw is not a great secret behind seven seals, but nevertheless, one must always take into account the experience of past years.

Do you really agree with yourself? They reveal secrets to the Germans, al no, and what historical experience to consider.

let's stop once and for all confusing common interests in trade and military affairs - one of the guarantors of our sovereignty.

It's like ... Have you ever heard the phrase: "War, as a continuation of the economy"? Order to consider as a "false conclusion"? Oh, whether. And Syria is being invaded, of course, because of human rights. Not because of "trade interests". Yes Yes...
They have already been called. and the French and Italians and in shipbuilding. You do not follow the topic?

and the result is one: our interests are what they want and there can be no question of partnership.

Yours? Maybe a fact. Not interested. But mine are not. Examples of successful cooperation are a wagon. Do not be too lazy to search for yourself.

It seems to me that so much open behavior with the NATO forces does not bode well.

OK. I give you an introduction: you are a politician. The task is to shatter the "SHOULD" block from the inside. The block has not been monolithic for many decades. (Example of France) SHOULD burst and puff up, cutting the budget, because of the painful phenomena in the ECONOMIES of the states included in the bloc. What pain points to beat? On your own industry, transferring your own ECONOMY to a "war track"? Striving to achieve numerical superiority? According to the precepts of past wars?
Already been. Not okay.

[dmitreach]

So what? Now do not cooperate with them? Iron curtain? NewBerlin Wall?

only on the basis of this your phrase, it seems that you are a person of extremes.

It's like ...
Answer quote:

In addition, now the time is very stressful. not until the visits of the German military command - a member of NATO (enemy No. 1 for Russia) to the center of our culture. It is possible that tomorrow German aircraft and tactical weapons will be aimed at our military facilities.

And after that you called me a man of extremes? Does the word "sarcasm" sound familiar? I advise you to reread the beginning of the discussion. Seer. However, I have to repeat the question (it was planned that this is "a rhetorical question - sarcasm ...")

And now what not to cooperate with them? Iron curtain? NewBerlin Wall?

[silver_roman]

Dmitry, is there really sarcasm or extreme in my phrase?

In addition, now the time is very stressful. not until the visits of the German military command - a member of NATO (enemy No. 1 for Russia) to the center of our culture. It is possible that tomorrow German aircraft and tactical weapons will be aimed at our military facilities.

I repeat: the outcome of the Syrian "crisis" is not known at all and it is not known how the Russian Federation will behave, so as I assumed, the Germans, as members of NATO, could quite themselves, after a certain short time, look at us "through a sniper scope." besides, I am sure that you personally tracked the events of 08.08.08 ... in those days, or rather after them, it was the Germans who convened the Sov. NATO and on their initiative developed (finalized) a plan of attack on the Russian Federation. It is likely that these are rumors, but they seem quite logical to me.

And now what not to cooperate with them? Iron curtain? NewBerlin Wall?

No, why ... cooperate ... it is necessary to keep the enemy closer to oneself, but not to allow military facilities. Remember the times of the USSR. At that time, new MBTs went to landfills at night, in covers, so that, God forbid, would not burn. and now the T-50 flies at air shows). I mean, we are open to the chur. For example, the Chinese secretly keep the info about their strategic nuclear forces. fear of ignorance on the face!
Just judge for yourself: in what can we cooperate with them, which will bring really great benefits to our country? single orders may be, but none of them will ever be interested in a strong and rich Russia.

Seer

as I understand it, you are an adult ... maybe enough ridicule and other nonsense ??? I have not yet seen in your words an irrefutable truth, but only your subjective position. YET I don’t understand your view "from high" and the feeling of being right!

[dmitreach]

I also SUPPOSED that the Germans, as members of NATO, can quite imagine, after a certain short time, look at us "through a sniper scope."

So "they are afraid of the wolf - do not go to the forest." They look so, for NATO. I mean that "until they began to look through the scope actively - you need to profitably buy their achievements. "And this happens DE FACTO. Without hysteria, without extremes, but with the benefit of the Country.

At that time, new MBTs went to landfills at night, in covers, so that, God forbid, would not burn. and now the T-50 flies at air shows). I mean, we are open to the chur. For example, the Chinese secretly keep the info about their strategic nuclear forces. fear of ignorance on the face!

How do you say ... In the information age, you need to be able to win minds by persuasion. Amer succeeded in this to the extreme, to the point that they went to bed. This is the story of the "now night" F117a and the famous photograph with the formula E = mc2 on an aircraft carrier. Strength needs to be shown. Our answer is tank biathlon as a show. (and other teachings) And ametta, lying is not our method.
But China ... there is a different story. I do not believe that China, which buys our engines for its fighters, has something to show. Except as a plywood parody and an attempt to splurge. (at least for the moment, but they work ...) That's why they secret.

Just judge for yourself: in what can we cooperate with them, which will bring really great benefits to our country?

And what about BA Tiger, Shell, Yak 130, shipbuilding, Avionics on MiG29, SU 27, electronics on Vikramaditye, thermal imagers on T90x (for India), production of Damocles in Russia .... (examples continue?) This is not a positive example of cooperation ? Or didn’t you think about the cost of avionics in MIG 29 for India, which is French? Or the participation of the German Rheinmetall in the reconstruction of the Gorokhovets artillery range?

Your words are irrefutable truth, but only your subjective position.

Yes. My position reflects my a look at things. Does anyone else think for you?

[silver_roman]

How do you say ... In the information age, you need to be able to win minds by persuasion. Amer succeeded to the extreme, to the point of lying

I agree, amers in marketing know a lot. But the same Raptor is not PR. All that gets into the advertisement is the 30-year-old aircraft of the latest modifications. What they get a lot of money for. But then again, you probably know that Libya ordered a few s-130s ... do you really think that they were led to advertising? Or maybe on TTX LA? I think the reason for the purchase is completely different ... I see this as a certain part of the indemnity paid by the Libyan people. And so many do it. Iraq tried to buy our weapons ... the attempt was good, but there was little use.
The states sold the destroyers less than we did, and they earned twice as much ... as they say, the conclusions suggest themselves.

And that BA Tiger, Shell, Yak 130, shipbuilding, Avionics on MiG29, SU 27, electronics on Vikramaditye, thermal imagers on T90x (for India), production of Damocles in Russia

I mean the partnership with the Germans. They are not our strategic partners. Of course, if you take all the projects, then in the compartment you get a solid profit for our state.
But in fact, two things make a profit: the export of hydrocarbons and weapons. the rest, as I see it, is a screen.

[silver_roman]

Have you ever heard the phrase: "War as a continuation of the economy"?

By itself. to the same place: "to whom the war, and to whom the mother is dear", etc.
Just what are the interests in trade with Syria in the west? maybe oil, but I don’t seem to remember that the hydrocarbon reserves in Syria were very significant.
Trade weapons with SSA ... so how to trade with them? Give them everything on a platter.

Yours? Maybe a fact. Not interested. But mine are not. Examples of successful cooperation are a wagon.

Comedian you however.
successful cooperation .. well, well ... I hope you do not mean various projects to combat terrorism and piracy, general meetings to resolve the situation in the Middle East ???
all projects in which you can break a significant jackpot for the state are competitive, but to maintain the appearance of partnership, you also need to do something ?! or not, let everything be like in the cold war ... the truth is the womb and no more ??? !!!
Of course, I will not argue with you about the fact that all cooperation is counterproductive, but globally this cooperation does not bring any benefits. There are some bonuses and no more. It is much more important to develop cooperation with developing countries. The same energy is extremely profitable business, arms export, etc. not for me to tell you.

OK. I give you an introduction: you are a politician. The task is to shatter the "SHOULD" block from the inside.

let's say. yet again . how did the USSR collapse? an arms race on the head, and falling oil prices on the legs and all. This is extremely rude, but not to smear.
There is their dependence on our resources, but it cannot be used right away. This is for a snack. Their problems: emigration from third world countries, and with it crime, riots as a result, unemployment and a serious burden on the budget as a result + military operations. The children will soon bomb the natives with bricks. This is another matter. Unfortunately, I am not strong in the principles of a market economy, but there is such a thought: are the same states printing money at the speed of light and expect to give it in the future? This is only of. debt of 17 trillion. dol.a actually sure that much more. everything will come to that. It seems to me that all these zeros will be written off and that’s it. Therefore, economically acting on them does not go. Well, 200% debt, she doesn’t give a damn, we’ll do 300 - that's business.
Society within the country is another matter. No wonder they sowed the entire Afghan poppy seeds? here they are working in the sweat of their brow so that our young people make ends meet at 40. The same propaganda ... I am really shocked at times. Recently, an example: there was a holiday in the city, I go to some kind of handel, I’m frozen in the street, I ask for tea ... it’s not there ... there are hamburgers, coffee, 100 varieties of beer, but there is NO tea ... teenagers with energy drinks. this efficiency is really high. It is they who are killing us, and as long as we are going to ravage the "SHOULD" there, we will have no people left at such a pace.
oh, I’ve gotten far, pent up .. but I think the point is conveyed to you.

[dmitreach]

Just what are the interests in trade with Syria in the west?

The West itself is not aware ... but the colonial habit is second nature. It seems to me: their self-confident attempt to "fish in the troubled waters of controlled chaos." This is not so much an issue in Syria as in the region as a whole. And also in an attempt to load up your economy, in particular.
From a sophisticated way to dispose of obsolete ammunition, to oil prices.
An example of the same Iraq and the shooting of the country with the help of battleships like "Iowa", ammunition, which is expensive to dispose of, and to fight with impunity is profitable. The same is true for precision weapons. And about PMCs.

Weapons to trade with CCA ...

So no! With yourself! With own military corporations. Well, do not return the obsolete weapons back to the factory!

successful collaboration .. well well ...

Above answered. It is in the form of concrete achievements.

There is their dependence on our resources,

That’s what they’re doing. Blocking Nabucco, buying up gas that they planned to send along an alternative route, tying it to cooperation with Russia. Everything is quite logical and obvious.

This is only of. debt of 17 trillion. dol.a actually sure that much more. everything will come to that. It seems to me that all these zeros will be written off and that’s it.

World War II may become beneficial to them.

. So they are killing us,

Sometimes the enemy is much closer.

[silver_roman]

So no! With yourself! With own military corporations.

here I agree. this is where corruption flourishes. and in our country, compared to those scales, just puppies).

That’s what they’re doing. Blocking Nabucco, buying up gas that they planned to send along an alternative route.

Nabucco generally was just a fiction along the way. A way to make Gazprom more accommodating and bring down the price of gas at least a year in advance.

World War II may become beneficial to them.

every year, with every new conflict, it seems to me that the same states are simply a mechanism to achieve the goals of a certain circle of people.
Either everything that is written about the state of the states today is a complete heresy, or they really do not care. How everything turns around inside the country. While the boiler of the military machine is breathing, they will act, printing and further trillion cu
But I don’t understand one thing: do they really believe in their impunity?

Sometimes the enemy is much closer.

he just has long arms!

[Vtel]

Just some kind of incomprehensible love for NATovtsy recently began to show, then with the guardians "kiss" on the turns, then "Hitler kaput!" at Peter's, you know. Oh, somebody's not ndravytsa to me. Just like before World War II.

[smart ass]

Peter is a beautiful city ... I love it .. I always want to return

[denson06]

It is worth noting that recently Germany is not the most ardent supporter of NATO .. ​​yes, they are there, but they don’t shout very much like the French or the Balts .. But how, if not through friendly official visits to establish relations between the two countries .. Yes, they fought against we are in the Second World War - we will never forget this, but .. the Germans are drawn to Russia as a partner now .. not explicitly, but still drawn .. and if this is sincere, then this potential needs to be developed carefully ..

[Manager]

Quote: denson06

not explicitly, but still stretch.

Germany is probably the only even less morally healthy country in Europe. Always respected them. (if you do not take into account the great Russian, although the attack on the USSR and Stalin instigated)

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: Manager

Germany is probably the only even less morally healthy country in Europe. Always respected them.

I agree here

Quote: Manager

, although the attack on the USSR and Stalin instigated

But here it is not. Here are the Anglo-Saxon machinations

[koosss]

Quote: Manager

a less mentally healthy country in Europe

The other day on the first channel there was a story, where the father of his little daughter was imprisoned for 1 day, because he did not let his daughter go to sex education lesson. There are such lessons there, for elementary school students, and with materials that are essentially porn-containing, which cripples the child's psyche. There are a lot of parents against such lessons, but like the law is the law. For me, Germany before this story was also "more or less morally healthy" (

http://www.1tv.ru/news/world/240344

so that the whole of Europe has long been "sick" for a long time ..

[Manager]

Quote: koosss

so that the whole of Europe has long been "sick" for a long time ..

I didn’t watch the video; there is no access at work. And how old is the girl? Simply, if more than 10, then I consider such lessons more or less necessary. Firstly, it will make it easier for parents to take into account, secondly, on the contrary, it will push away from proximity for a few more years. And if the girl is 7 years old, then of course it's too early to attend such lessons.

[lewerlin53rus]

I watched this plot. The fact is that there the lessons are too natural, on the verge of pornography

[Manager]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

on the verge of pornography

There is no "on the brink" there is pornography and everything else.
I talked with her employee, her daughter is now 8 years old. And she very much for what such lessons would be held at school starting from 4-5 grades.
Anyway, I agree that if it's not pornography, then you need to educate. Remember yourself in 10 - 11 years. Yes, we may not want to crash, but we were already curious about this matter (not without pathology, some do not even show 20) So let psychologists come up from a distance and explain to them.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

It was not Stalin who instigated, but the Jewish-money-making elite of the United States sponsored Hitler, and the Anglo-Saxons pushed to the beginning of 2MB!

[Manager]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

Stalin did not instigate

In Finland, which, according to the German agreement, didn’t leave Stalin gave the order to go to war? As a result of which Hitler saw the weakness of our army. This was the last straw for Stalin regularly violated agreements with Hitler. Truth in the details. Nevertheless, Hitler’s war machine, which had gone out of control of the liquid and Anglo-Saxons, had already finished these little things completely and saw the weakness he attacked.

[novobranets]

but .. the Germans are drawn to Russia as a partner now .. not explicitly, but still drawn ..

If the international military campaign against Syria does begin, the European allies will support the United States. First of all, the UK and France will go for it. Germany also promises not to stand aside.

[pahom54]

No need to step on the old-old rake !!! The same thing happened before the Second World War in 1939-1940. And they exchanged and "made friends" ... So, make friends and exchange at the level of cultural peace delegations, for God's sake, but not in the military field ... It is not necessary not only to NATO members, but also to other armies to show both advantages and disadvantages our modern army. This is not normal: they sniff us out, BUT they don't let us in ... Just as they didn’t let the nemchuru into Leningrad in the last war, so it’s not necessary for the military to do it in it now! Let them come and see the sights of the most beautiful Russian city at the level of a peaceful tourist, but they have nothing to do on the territory of military units.

[dmitreach]

The experience of cooperation in the second half of the 20s / beginning of the 30s was more than positive. For both sides. Those. for the USSR-was FAVORABLE, in fact.

[sys-1985]

To begin the tour of Peterhof from the end ... there are photographs of what was left there after their not friendly visit!

[Hort]

IMHO of course, but nemchegov must be pulled out of NATO by all possible means. As the saying goes, "to be friends is really friendship." And without them, NATO in Europe will lose ground very much. And geopolitically, it would be beneficial for us and the Germans.
This would be the most useful practical implementation of the lesson of the two World Wars. Because if we were pushed foreheads for the third time, then we and they are both fools unable to learn from our own bloody mistakes.
And to succeed, NAM (Russia), first of all, needs to improve its own diplomacy. We need specialists at least the same level of Primakov (Lavrov, in my opinion, is a bit short - charisma is not enough :))

[x.andvlad]

Then such "friendly" visits will result in cartoons in some sort of "Der Spiegel". During such visits, one should not hesitate to follow their every move so that they feel like guests.

[Mareman Vasilich]

In June 1941, they also wanted to do the search for graves, from the time of the First World War.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: Mareman Vasilich

In June 1941, they also wanted to do the search for graves, from the time of the First World War.

Well, yes, many graves were found from 41 to 45

[makst83]

German military exploring St. Petersburg. For peaceful purposes Genetic memory should work! They are unlikely to want to repeat the "liberation" campaign of 1941-1945!

[tilovaykrisa]

Are they going to look at the graves of their grandfathers?

[brace]

Probably they will not lead to the Piskarevsky cemetery. Not politically correct like that.

[Russian_Prapor]

I propose every May 9 bombing of Berlin. Veterans will be pleased. And personally to me too.

[Goodmen]

Somehow everything is familiar ... the German military on friendly visits take over the experience ...

[Panikovsky]

why not? let them admire the Peterhof, the amber room, at one time their dads are heroic plundered and destroyed, let them go through the Piskarevsky cemetery, for them there will be a very instructive excursion.

[Anatolich]

Better to come on an excursion to the Bryansk forests, on an excursion, to exchange experience, we will arrange a couple of sabotages for them

[an_ursus]

Yeah, before the Great Patriotic War, the Germans also peacefully studied the Arctic ..

[me]

Welcome! The usual exchange of experience, nothing supernatural, they still will not show.

[Sergey Medvedev]

They need to be reduced to the Museum of the Blockade, so as not to be forgotten.

[individual]

Russia has always hospitably met guests, but when "with a sword to us ..." it will not seem like little.

[Siberian]

German military exploring St. Petersburg. For peaceful purposes

It’s just like before the 2nd World War, first studied, and then ...