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Construction of the An-124 Ruslan: another deadlock or a new round of Ukrainian-Russian relations?

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Representatives of Ukraine and Russia continue to actively prepare the constituent documents that are necessary for the creation of a joint production of An-124 Ruslan transport aircraft.

21 August this year, a meeting of the Ukrainian Cabinet of Ministers was held, at which the deputies approved the Order on the establishment of a delegation to participate in joint negotiations on the preparation of a joint draft agreement between the governments of Ukraine and Russia on state support and the implementation of serial production of An-124 aircraft machines. This document provides not only the creation of a delegation, but also determines its composition, establishes the powers of the chairman, and also approves the main conditions for the delegation’s participation in the negotiations.

According to the Decree of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ukraine, the Minister of Industrial Policy of Ukraine Mikhail Korolenko was appointed the head of the delegation. The delegation also has representatives from the Ministry of Industrial Policy, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the State Agency for the Management of Corporate Rights and Property, the Ministry of Justice, the Antonov State Enterprise, Motor Sich JSC and the Cabinet of Ministers.

It is planned that the signing of all the documents necessary for cooperation will take place in September-October of this year at the meeting of the committee on the problems of economic cooperation of the Ukrainian-Russian interstate commission. The meeting should be chaired by two prime ministers, Dmitry Medvedev and Nikolai Azarov.

Recall that an agreement to hold a meeting was reached in July 2013 as part of a meeting of two prime ministers in Sochi. According to the First Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko, this agreement is one of the most important results of the negotiations at the level of two countries. Moreover, the politician is confident that the joint mass production of a unique, in terms of its characteristics, largest and unmatched world maximum transport aircraft capacity will give the necessary powerful impetus for the development of Ukrainian-Russian cooperation in aviation industry.

However, despite the rather optimistic forecasts of the Ukrainian side, the Russians are a bit different. Thus, in one of his interviews, Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin stated that Russia could start mass production of the An-124 Ruslan without the participation of the Ukrainian side. The fact is that Ukraine is not very willing to negotiate on the possibility of the modernization of individual units of "Ruslan" by the Russians. At the moment, the discussion in this direction cannot be moved from the dead center. Russia, according to the politician, does not intend to persuade Ukraine or wait too long, but simply localizes production in Russia.

In addition, Rogozin noted, the negative experience of joint cooperation with Ukraine is already there: a vivid example of this is the joint production of the promising transport worker An-70, the project of which was launched on 2012 of the year. Rogozin called him virtual, since part of the technical characteristics that were indicated in the documents, and for which the Ukrainian side was responsible, were present only on paper. The conversation is, above all, talking about the possibility of taking off from the ground, from a short run, and also about the unique blowing of the wing.

In addition, earlier (in April of this year), the general designer of the state-owned enterprise Antonov, Kiva, said that the An-70 tests were stopped because the Russian Ministry of Defense was the main customer and did not take part in them.

The aircraft An-124 "Ruslan" is a heavy transport aircraft, the developer of which is the design bureau named after Antonov. The first flight of the aircraft took place in Kiev 24 December 1982 of the year. The Soviet army entered the aircraft in January 1987. The total number of machines built is 56 units.

At the end of February, 2006, as part of the modernization and resumption of serial production of An-124-100 transporters at Aviastar enterprise in Ulyanovsk, it was decided to open a branch of the Antonov Aviation Scientific-Technical Complex, but two months later the project to resume serial production It was declared unpromising.

It should also be noted that the new attempt to resume joint production of the An-124 Ruslan was made in the 2009 year. A significant role in this was played by Dmitry Medvedev, who was then the president of Russia. It was he who ordered the government to contribute to the state armament program for 20 Ruslan aircraft. Almost at the same time, a statement was made about the resumption of the joint production of these aircraft by Ukraine and Russia.

The issue of creating a joint venture for the production of aircraft has also been raised repeatedly. So, at first, the Russian side intended to buy out a percentage of the state-owned Antonov state enterprise 51 from Ukraine, which would allow it to almost fully control the intellectual property of the KB. However, then the parties did not manage to agree. The Russians made the next attempt in May 2011. Then a group of executives of the United Aircraft Building Corporation arrived in Ukraine, which was also intended to buy out intellectual property rights. Finally, in 2012, during the meeting of the interstate commission, it was possible to agree in negotiations on joint production in two joint projects - An-124 and An-70. The result of the commission’s work was the decision to build the An-2030 and 150 “Ruslan” planes up to 70 of the year 50.

Obviously, mass production is more beneficial for the Russian side, since the Ukrainian military needs very few aircraft. However, whether the parties succeed in realizing the project, or whether the Ukrainian-Russian cooperation in the field of aviation will again come to a dead end is unknown. There is a big risk that representatives of the parties, pursuing certain political motives, will again find some clues to stop cooperation. Or maybe common sense will win this time ...

Materials used:
http://lenta.ru/news/2013/08/23/an124/
http://focus.ua/economy/280002/
http://media73.ru/2013/rossiya-i-ukraina-sozdadut-sp-po-proizvodstvu-samolyota-an-124-100-ruslan
http://korrespondent.net/business/companies/1595166-kabmin-gotovit-nedovolnoj-aviasotrudnichestvom-moskve-novoe-predlozhenie-na-osen
http://www.ukrinform.ua/rus/news/rogozin_rossiya_moget_lokalizovat_proizvodstvo_samoleta_an_124_bez_uchastiya_ukraini_1549852
http://www.ukrspecexport.com/index/view/lang/ru/id/1677
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  1. klimpopov
    klimpopov 28 August 2013 10: 13 New
    +5
    I don’t understand, they said that it wouldn’t, then it would be again, it wouldn’t be again ... Mine got confused, mine don’t understand ...
    1. savantol
      savantol 28 August 2013 10: 36 New
      +7
      They will not build .... in connection with the latest events in the Ukrainian Polytechnic. But in vain the best transport aircraft in the world ....... this is my opinion. sad
      1. Vorkot cat
        Vorkot cat 28 August 2013 10: 43 New
        +5
        AH 225 Mriya an even better plane wink
      2. klimpopov
        klimpopov 28 August 2013 10: 57 New
        +3
        I would like it to be like this - they will build it, but in Russia, due to the latest events in Ukraine. In general, the latest events in (in) Ukraine, in my opinion, is the final separation of us, a point of no return. And recently, articles aimed at inciting hatred between Belarus and Russia have become more frequent ...
      3. wlad59
        wlad59 28 August 2013 16: 13 New
        +4
        The opinion is wrong .... Boeing 747 (transport) takes a payload of only 10 tons less, but the efficiency of engines is 2 times !! higher. And in a world where transport airlines consider every penny (or dollar), this argument is above all.
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 28 August 2013 16: 20 New
          +2
          [quote = klimpopov] The opinion is incorrect .... Boeing 747 (transport) takes a payload of only 10 tons less, but the efficiency of engines is 2 times !! above ... quote]
          here it’s not even 10 tons, but the fact that 124 can carry such dimensions, which are beyond the power of other similar aircraft.
          1. wlad59
            wlad59 28 August 2013 16: 25 New
            0
            I agree ... but how many oversized cargoes ??? Those AN-124, which is something, are not all involved.
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 28 August 2013 16: 52 New
              +1
              I will quote:
              Ruslan has already firmly taken its place in a very small list of aircraft that have not only successfully proved themselves in the transportation market, but they themselves have created a new sector of this market. In the first five years since the beginning of its commercial operation, the average annual growth in air transportation of unique cargo in the world reached 26%. The number of American companies using AN-124-100 services only doubled every four years. This is evidence of the great commercial success of the aircraft on a global scale. There are few such examples in the history of domestic aviation. Currently, the volume of the transportation market, albeit at a slower pace, but continues to grow, and the aircraft itself is becoming increasingly popular. Experts believe that the "Ruslan" is only experiencing a time of youth, the machine can work for another 40 or even 50 years. Let’s add on our own: only subject to a civilized and joint solution to all the problems that arise in maintaining its airworthiness and further modernization by all interested enterprises on both sides of the Russian-Ukrainian border.
        2. Alekseev
          Alekseev 28 August 2013 17: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: wlad59
          The opinion is wrong .... Boeing 747 (transport) takes a payload of only 10 tons less, but the efficiency of engines is 2 times !!

          Also, it seems, not the right opinion. request
          Comparing the 747th with the An-124 is the same as comparing a container ship with a tank landing ship.
          And not "profitability
          1. wlad59
            wlad59 28 August 2013 21: 16 New
            +1
            Here's a quote for you: ".... Technical Director of Volga Dnepr Group of Companies, in the past - An-124 chief designer Viktor Tolmachev noted:" In fact, for 30 years, Ruslan has had no equal in the world market, but today, having received new jobs aircraft and comparing their technical and specific characteristics, we came to the conclusion that the Boeing 747-8F is 1,5 times superior to the An-124-100 aircraft, "which, in his opinion, is a serious incentive for deep modernization of the machine." But, for comparison, the characteristics of the Boeing 747-8F (The maximum carrying capacity of the Boeing 747-8 Freighter is 133,9 metric tons (133 kg) or 900 tons (147,6 pounds)
            Range with maximum payload: 4 nautical miles (390 km)
            Maximum range: 8000 nautical miles (14815 km) - compare with the characteristics of the An-124.
    2. Vorkot cat
      Vorkot cat 28 August 2013 10: 41 New
      +1
      Will not be. Russia is actively withdrawing its assets from Ukraine.
      1. zmey_gadukin
        zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 28 New
        -1
        Quote: Cat Workot
        Russia is actively withdrawing its assets from Ukraine.

        links to the studio
    3. klimpopov
      klimpopov 28 August 2013 10: 55 New
      0
      Even my pictures have gone somewhere again. Copyright law in action? So you at least explain.
    4. Shabur
      Shabur 28 August 2013 13: 35 New
      0
      Recently, Ruslan has often been mentioned. Maybe this is due to this?
    5. Interface
      Interface 28 August 2013 13: 41 New
      +2
      But I don’t understand this: why a “joint venture”?
      Or did the necessary production chains survive in Ukraine?
      Or we, as always, decided to produce Pabratsky together, but what about atsosi_a? what
      Or why don’t I understand? Am I the only one?
      1. Sirs
        Sirs 28 August 2013 15: 01 New
        0
        Antonov’s brains are there, and a number of technological processes for the production of necessary components and assemblies. Everything needs time and money, and here it is more profitable for us to make this product together with Ukraine.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 28 August 2013 16: 30 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirs
          it is more profitable for us to make this product together with Ukraine.

          No matter how. Hemorrhoids are solid and not benefits.
          Rvigany will put PW or RR and with a lapel already put on this circus "nezalezhnoy".
          Quote: Interface
          But I don’t understand this: why a “joint venture”? Or did the necessary production chains survive in Ukraine?

          Yes, alive, only they are like sabaki in the manger.
          Quote: Shabur
          Recently, Ruslan has often been mentioned. Maybe this is due to this.

          Who will tell you everything?
          Maybe yes, maybe no.
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 August 2013 15: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: klimpopov
      I don’t understand, they said that it wouldn’t, then it would be again, it wouldn’t be again ... Mine got confused, mine don’t understand ...


      It’s already cat’s tears ... a platform is being created with which one can say something like this: we, free Ukrainian aircraft manufacturers, suggested that you, the dense Russian laponniki, build a plane, and you ... (insult to your taste) ruined this lofty dream. More and more nothing was written, just a lot of words.

      hi
  2. saag
    saag 28 August 2013 10: 32 New
    +2
    nothing will be clear with this European association on aircraft manufacturing
    1. user
      user 29 August 2013 07: 03 New
      0
      Quite right, there is no TS and there are no joint projects. Economics - nothing personal
  3. Algor73
    Algor73 28 August 2013 11: 25 New
    +6
    Until Ukraine decides on the vector of political development, there will be no sense in the aviation industry. Russia has already made a decision for itself, it will go to its own detriment if only to destroy the Ukrainian strategic sectors. Or until then, when everything will be lost for her (in relation to Ukraine). In the meantime, the struggle.
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 28 August 2013 11: 32 New
      +8
      it will go to its own detriment if only to destroy the Ukrainian strategic sectors.

      Hmm, what is Russia and how does it want to destroy? Unclear. That is, Ukraine wants at the expense of Russia to restore the production of high-tech products and at the same time in the EU? It doesn’t happen .. Although everything happens in Russia.
      In any case, is it a pity that production does not shine in the EU Ukraine, or do you think the airbase will come? Oh, I doubt it. But wait and see.
      And hell, I don’t care about the choice of Ukraine. It’s upsetting and offensive for Antonov for what was created with sweat and blood. Now scrap.
    2. katran666
      katran666 28 August 2013 18: 35 New
      +1
      yes it will be so ... a direct analogy - could it be agreed with Hitler in the 44th? then there would not be another year of war with its victims and huge expenses. the answer is obvious
  4. 0255
    0255 28 August 2013 11: 27 New
    +2
    It’s high time to restore the production of the An-124 for military and civilian purposes and beat off customers from the Boeing 747 and Airbus A380! B-747 and A380 bring good money to their owners, but we still can’t restore not only the release of Ruslan, but also civil aviation in general. Tu-204 20-30 units were built, Tu-334 and An-70 do not need anybody, CIS airlines use used Boeing and Airbus and the ancient Soviet IL and Tu, which do not allow their access to the EU and the USA, fly out for non-compliance with various international environmental requirements. One Superjet will not be enough.
  5. zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 28 August 2013 12: 30 New
    +2
    First you need a buyer! And then think about the construction of aircraft. And then you can agree and build, but who will fly on them?
  6. ism_ek
    ism_ek 28 August 2013 12: 43 New
    +5
    The question is whether we need Ruslan. Great toys for big kids?
    All military equipment will fit in the IL-76. Ruslan will not solve radically the issues of cargo delivery.
    Naturally, it is necessary to modernize the existing Ruslans so that they fly for another fifty years.
    I think you need to pay attention to the AN-70 and light transporters such as IL-112. We urgently need to replace the AN-24, and the Ruslans are still flying
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 28 August 2013 14: 06 New
      +1
      Without Ruslan, kirdyk to outer space. And not everything will fit into IL - 476.
      The rest I agree.
  7. White
    White 28 August 2013 13: 46 New
    +4
    I don’t understand here everyone writes about the obligatory choice of the vector by Ukraine, what is it that if we join the TS, then it will be possible to shit .. in sweets, planes made from cardboard and plasticine, etc. and Russia will still buy it with a smile - well, this is ridiculous. If the plane would need mo then the question wouldn’t be that way, anyway, there really would be only Ukrainian engines, well, Antonovtsi would get some more pennies. And so for me, the situation with the An-70 and An-124 is just a game, casting bait, so that later you could say you see (What does it matter for any situation). And so most likely the decision has already been made a long time ago and Antonovtsov is simply drifting.
  8. Konsmo
    Konsmo 28 August 2013 14: 13 New
    +6
    Quote: White
    I don’t understand here everyone writes about the obligatory choice of the vector by Ukraine, what is it that if we join the TS, then it will be possible to shit .. in sweets, planes made from cardboard and plasticine, etc. and Russia will still buy it with a smile - well, this is ridiculous. If the plane would need mo then the question wouldn’t be that way, anyway, there really would be only Ukrainian engines, well, Antonovtsi would get some more pennies. And so for me, the situation with the An-70 and An-124 is just a game, casting bait, so that later you could say you see (What does it matter for any situation). And so most likely the decision has already been made a long time ago and the Antonovtsevs are simply skidding.

    Bro we pay money we and dance partner (shu)
    This is a strategic issue. Or we order airplanes and give Antonov loans for many years. Either we invest money in our jobs (high-paying), which is better for me, a Russian.
    I think it’s cheaper to buy for Ilyushin the person of 100 (example) Antonov’s engineers, the best. Buy them 200 square mansions near Moscow, give Audi for 40 thousand, and give Honda wives, put a salary of 120 thousand rubles, (Now the metalworker receives from 40) to give citizenship and let them create an updated transporter. About 25-30-5 green ones will come out of the circle. What Sobyanin will even put out of his trousers, since this is XNUMX times less than flowers and flower beds they spend. The children from Baumansky, MIPT and so on will be them in I will help.
    All question is closed.
    About the vector. but they will want to bite right away by organizing re-export from Europe, indulging in different tax rates. Therefore, the customs will be circumcised and will be trained.
    1. White
      White 28 August 2013 15: 26 New
      +1
      You are moving away from a specific issue on a particular aircraft, into politics and the development of Russia's greatness. I can agree with almost everything you said. But I see the question is not so, there is a great plane, and if the MO is needed, then the issue would have been solved for a long time, and this is just a game. About the fact that it is necessary to develop your own, I completely agree with you both personnel and production, etc. but then again, why does this strategy apply only to Ukraine (despite the fact that Russia’s share in these products is more than 50%) why the Mi-38 (replacement of the Mi-8) has Canadian engines, the same as Ansant and Ka-60, and SSJ100, and MS-21, etc.
      In full, it may be that Ruslan will never be replaced, and again, if he needs to be modernized and made anyway there almost everything will be Russian.
      1. katran666
        katran666 28 August 2013 18: 47 New
        +2
        Firstly, the AN-124 is NOT NEEDED; there are enough available - from 24 (in my opinion) 5-6 flies to the MO, the rest are worth it. You need to upgrade the existing ones and they will be enough for at least 30 years ahead. An-124 civilian company also not needed, at least there are NO order queues, that is, the whole calculation is only for the RF Ministry of Defense.
        secondly, the Mi-38, like the SSZ, MS-21 and Ka-62, were primarily developed for EXPORT, respectively, through a large percentage of foreign components, one of the main problems of the Soviet aviation industry, AFTER SALE SERVICE, was solved. do not forget that certified components (I emphasize CERTIFIED by WESTERN standards) our industry would have mastered the hell knows when, and without them no one would have bought the same Tu-334. WELL AND WHAT SIDE IN THESE QUESTIONS CAN ANTONOV HELP US ???? His fate is to climb into our market, but in the markets of Asia and Africa.
        1. White
          White 29 August 2013 09: 05 New
          0
          firstly the an-124 MO is NOT NEEDED

          I wrote about that, the decision has long been made, and now Antonovtsov is simply drifting.
          secondly, the Mi-38, like the SSJ, the MS-21 and Ka-62 were developed primarily for export

          Ansant and Ka-226T went to the army with Canadian and French engines, despite the fact that Motor Sich offered engines for them and these engines should have been produced in Russia. And the Mi-38 was designed as a replacement for the Mi-8.
          WELL AND WHAT SIDE IN THESE QUESTIONS CAN ANTONOV HELP US ????

          If, theoretically, with An-124 the issue had been resolved positively, then without a design bureau it is somehow difficult, it would have been necessary for the beloved to modernize.
        2. Amapok
          Amapok 8 September 2013 19: 55 New
          0
          firstly the an-124 MO is NOT NEEDED

          bullshit...
          1. Tramp
            Tramp 20 November 2016 19: 50 New
            0
            "bullshit..."
            Do not swear! And take a trip to Ulyanovsk, to the Ulyanovsk-Vostochny airport. They are standing there, at the end of the runway, skewed, shabby, without engines. That's how MO needs them! Do you have a cognitive dissonance between “as it should be” and “as it is”? So much the worse for you.
    2. wlad59
      wlad59 28 August 2013 16: 22 New
      +3
      For Konsmo: before offering Antonovites a salary of 120 tons. take an interest in how much engineers receive at the firms Salyut, Mig and others (located in Moscow). And when you find out, you’ll understand the whole STUPIDness of your proposal.
  9. Konsmo
    Konsmo 28 August 2013 14: 21 New
    +3
    Editing weird myself even as a joke wink Can't you call ?? Replaces the "Nazi face" winked
    So soon Blok cannot be quoted as saying “Yes, we are Scythians, but we are Asians”
    By the way, in today's topic.
    Millions are you. Us - darkness, and darkness, and darkness.
    Try, fight with us!
    Yes, Scythians - we are! Yes, Asians - we -
    With slanted and greedy eyes!
    For you - centuries, for us - a single hour.
    We are like obedient slaves
    They held a shield between two hostile races -
    Mongols and Europe!
    Century, century your old horn forged
    And drowned out the thunder of an avalanche
    And a wild fairy tale was a failure for you
    And Lisbon and Messina!
    You have looked east for hundreds of years,
    Digging and melting our pearls
    And you, mocking, counted only the term,
    When to train cannon vents!
    Here - the time has come. Wings are beating trouble
    And every day resentment multiplies,
    And the day will come - there will be no trace
    From your Paestums, maybe!
    Oh, the old world! Until you perish,
    While you languish with sweet flour,
    Stop, wise as Oedipus,
    Before the Sphinx with an ancient mystery! ..
    Russia - Sphinx. Rejoicing and mourning
    And bleeding black blood,
    She looks, looks, looks at you,
    And with hatred, and with love! ..
    Yes, to love as much as our blood loves,
    None of you have loved for a long time!
    Forgot you, that in the world there is love,
    Which burns and kills!
    We love everything - and the heat of cold numbers,
    And the gift of divine visions,
    Everything is clear to us - and a sharp Gallic meaning,
    And the gloomy German genius ...
    We remember everything - hell streets of Paris,
    And the Venetian coolness,
    Lemon groves are a distant fragrance,
    And Cologne smoky bulks ...
    We love the flesh - both its taste and color,
    And the stuffy, mortal flesh smell ...
    Guilty if we crack your skeleton
    In the heavy, gentle paws?
    We used to get used to the bridle
    Playing horses zealous,
    Breaking horses with heavy sacra
    And pacify the slaves of the obstinate ...
    Come to us! From the horrors of war
    Come into peaceful embrace!
    Before it's too late - the old scabbard sword
    Comrades! We will become - brothers!
    And if not, we have nothing to lose,
    And we are not above treachery!
    Centuries, centuries - you will be cursed
    Sick, later offspring!
    We are wide in the wilds and forests
    Before Europe, prigozhey
    Let's part! We will turn to you
    His Asian mug!
    Go all, go to the Urals!
    We clear the place of battle
    Steel machines, where the integral breathes,
    With the Mongolian wild horde!
    But we ourselves - from now on - are not your shield,
    From now on, we will not join the battle ourselves!
    We'll see how the mortal battle is boiling,
    With your narrow eyes!
    Do not budge when the fierce Hun
    In the pockets of corpses will fumble,
    Burn the city, and drive the herd into the church,
    And fry the meat of white brothers! ..
    For the last time - come to your senses, old world!
    On the fraternal feast of work and peace,
    For the last time - on a bright fraternal feast
    Cries the barbaric lyre!
    January 30 1918
    1. LINX
      LINX 29 August 2013 04: 56 New
      0
      And why did you put everything here, if only war and the world quoted.
  10. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 28 August 2013 14: 37 New
    0
    How much can you pull the cat by the tail? Is the Ukrainian side still thinking?
    So you have to start faster at home!
  11. Hug
    Hug 28 August 2013 14: 44 New
    0
    ... And recently, articles aimed at inciting hatred between Belarus and Russia have become more frequent ... [/ quote]

    Appeared in Russia.
    1. Sirs
      Sirs 28 August 2013 15: 03 New
      0
      Lovely swear only amuse.
  12. gerafak
    gerafak 28 August 2013 16: 02 New
    +1
    Ukrainians are brotherly people, but Ukrainian politicians are not always brothers to us. We need to build it ourselves, lure people, buy a license if necessary. Aircraft is in demand - and we ourselves need it and there is market demand, you can earn.
    On a civilian, there are only Boeings and Airbuses, only their planes are needed in the army!
  13. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 August 2013 18: 00 New
    0
    [quote = alekseev] [quote = wlad59] The opinion is wrong .... Boeing 747 (transport) takes a payload of only 10 tons less, but the efficiency of engines is 2 times !! [/ quote]
    Also, it seems, not the right opinion. request
    Comparing the 747th with the An-124 is the same as comparing a container ship with a tank landing ship.
    Ruslan was created for the transport of heavy, oversized machinery and equipment, and not for ordinary freight transport in containers.
    Yes, and "engine efficiency 2 times !!" the best is not clear under what conditions? The specific consumption differs not in times, but in percent ...
    But it is precisely the joint production that most likely will not. Cooperation with Ukraine is very tight, especially in the WTO sphere. For a number of well-known reasons, a clear opinion has formed that the Russian defense industry should not depend on Ukrainian enterprises.
  14. crambol
    crambol 28 August 2013 20: 47 New
    0
    Quote: gerafak
    We need to build it ourselves, lure people, buy a license if necessary.


    Build by yourself - copyright infringement.
    Buy a license - the Americans will strangle the Ukrainian side to prevent this from happening.
    1. katran666
      katran666 28 August 2013 22: 49 New
      0
      [b] Build yourself - copyright infringement.

      yes no, it turns out to be just a bureaucratic procedure. besides to someone, but not about copyright piz ... t. and here is the reference - two-week news
      http://ukrday.com/novosti.php?id=82703
      Russia was going to upgrade the An-124 without the permission of the Ukrainian Antonov
  15. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 28 August 2013 21: 16 New
    +1
    The question of creating a joint venture for the construction of Ruslanov is based on common sense. Need such an airplane in Russia and Ukraine? - Needed! So you need to drop all prejudices and agree. In this case, one must again rely on common sense, and the economic realities of Russia and Ukraine. Airplanes need to be built, this is the main thing "
  16. DmitryMSK
    DmitryMSK 28 August 2013 22: 22 New
    0
    We must build ourselves, and not together with an unreliable partner who has seven Fridays in a week wassat
  17. vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 29 August 2013 03: 52 New
    0
    As I understand it, the independent "modernization" of Milev cars in Ukraine untie the Ulyanovsk hands.
  18. Cristall
    Cristall 29 August 2013 09: 54 New
    0
    sew policy again ....
    Again, the Antonovites .. why are they guilty? They do not want to? They want it is their bread! This is work and salary. They don’t pull anything. there is such a concept, its own interests. These interests do not include “pulling”, but “negotiating” comes out. And when politics rules the economy in Ukrainian-Russian relations, kirdyk comes! We cannot at the political level agree on standard cooperation, because they follow their own interests. One needs to get preferences for itself, another something else ...
    We need a plane, even if KB and the Russian side themselves, without Putin and Yanukovych, Medvedev and Azarov and other parasites from politics, agree. At least for construction, even for modernization.
    Alas, de firm directly contacts no problems (except for competitive ones). Only politics-immediately boiling shit ....
    Sorry KB. They have to always move away from the subject of large transport workers to the subject of much less.
    And it’s not to blame for the hostages. directly, it would have agreed faster.
    Ukraine is a fairly reliable partner if you do not mix politics with the economy. Are you and Prime and Witney mixing politics? In Canada, you don’t make politics ... with France either ... but always with Ukraine. Ukrainian firms themselves have much more reliability than agreeing "from above." Labels are not worth hanging. ANTK, MS and others are much more stable, more reliable than going through Kiev.
    I conclude that the MO and other AN 124 are not needed, we need the rights to modernize on our own. What is impossible without a design bureau (refuses to give ganaty) and they don’t want to do with the design bureau (they don’t want to, and not the design bureau doesn’t want to, the design bureau doesn’t want to give right, because there will be no extra money for the design bureau).
    The way out - if you really need and have money, just buy a license as with An 140. And do not bathe.
    Do not confuse, the interests of the firm, the people, the nation, with the interest of politicians. Separate them and you will immediately find simple human problems that can be solved much easier than confusing with the interests of politicians. Then you will not solve them at all. By the way, the latter is characteristic only in Ukrainian-Russian relations. The United States is easier, if profitable. We work (an example is Ford and Berlin under Hitler), regardless of the course of the party.
    Connections need to be organized from below, it is easier and more convenient and faster. The upper "roof" will always hinder us (and not always we will be to blame)
  19. Jake danzels
    Jake danzels 29 August 2013 19: 42 New
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    http://www.aex.ru/news/2013/8/29/109839/
    August 28, AEX.RU - At the moment, in addition to Russia, there are two more manufacturers who are ready to organize the production of An-70 aircraft on their territory. This was told today to reporters by the President - General Designer of SE Antonov Dmitry Kiva.
  20. byxarik1
    byxarik1 23 November 2016 09: 46 New
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    We must do everything ourselves for sure! In Ukraine, they are trying with all their might to ban the Russian language, so in what language will those documentation be in MOVE or what! RZHUMEMOGU lol
  21. kuz363
    kuz363 26 November 2016 15: 57 New
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    Why publish junk 2013? After all, 2016 is coming!
  22. Besmaster
    Besmaster 5 January 2017 17: 32 New
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    Quote: byxarik1
    We must do everything ourselves for sure! In Ukraine, they are trying with all their might to ban the Russian language, so in what language will those documentation be in MOVE or what! RZHUMEMOGU lol


    Can you rzheshn from what ?. From the fact that the article of 2013 and then no one thought about any mov? =)
  23. iouris
    iouris 28 May 2017 11: 22 New
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    Common sense? Cool.