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What I see Russia, ready for war (continued)

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Part of 3. From each according to his abilities, to each according to his deeds


Well? - Continuation, as they say, follows. And again I will try, as far as possible, in short, to answer the questions you are interested in and some of your reproaches.

First of all, you can be sure, the author knows "how." Maybe not how to achieve, but how to start to achieve. But, you should perfectly understand that if I write about this “how”, then the article will not be published (in general, thanks to the creators of the site for publishing what they have already written), and for the author they will use a completely different, but also an article. ..

If you are ready to read, I will write a book. Immediately I say, artistic, so that there are no quibbles. One thing is the writer's free fantasy. And the other is direct instructions for action in the spirit of, well, let's say, “Journeys from St. Petersburg to Moscow” ...

What about the bourgeoisie. Bourgeois in my understanding - a state of mind. He doesn't have to do his job. Bourgeois can be bureaucrat, and "top-slap manager." The main thing is that there are two distinctive features: the desire to snatch as much as possible for yourself and at the same time not just a desire, but an obsession to pay less to hired employees (in the case of an entrepreneur) or subordinate (in the case of bureaucrats and “managers” from the bourgeois ). Those. the director (in fact, also an employee), forcing his subordinates to plow for wear, to work on weekends and, at the same time, not even thinking about overtime pay, for me is BURZHUY.

Who still considers the bourgeoisie to be a useful class, “creating production”, find me at least one who would say one fine day: “I’m fine, I’m completely satisfied with the level that I have, for why should I have a private residence in 70 rooms, if 6 - for the eyes. I will do this: I will just keep my personal income in the same condition as it is now, and let the remaining profits serve my employees. They do not allow me to live in misery, so why shouldn't I make it so that they live better and allow themselves something else besides the most necessary? ”Find this? - And so that he is ready to raise wages, not for an increase in labor productivity, and not even in connection with an increase in the price of life, but simply because profit now allows. In the meantime, they have not been found, I will consider ALL of them as enemies of my own people, subject, if not to executions and camps, then to a very tough re-education. This, when the state (well, of course, normal, thinking about the people, which one of the readers rightly noted) will FORCE them to pay not so much as they see fit, but as much as they can !!! If necessary, squeezing themselves!
Sorry, again ran ahead. So, let's talk about the attitude to the person of labor ...



Labor Relations

And agree, if not to say about this at least a couple of words, then talk about the industry will not be complete. And so, in spite of the fact that efforts will be required truly titanic, this should in no way affect the length of the working day, the number of weekends and the length of the holidays! Enough! No more, they say, “tolerate a little more, and then” ... People want to live today and now, and not “later” !!!

So, only 8-hour working day, only five days. In general, we must work to ensure that the shift schedule is used as rarely as possible. A person should spend the night (and even more so, a working person) in his bed! There is a need for the company to work on weekends - no question, take a weekend break to work (it is also possible from students who want to earn extra money). There is a need for round-the-clock work (by the way, this should not be decided by the employer, but by a mixed commission of representatives of the state and the trade union of workers) - make three shifts of 8 hours (from 8.00 to 16.00, h 16.00 to 0.00 and from 0.00 to 8.00). Moreover, they are obliged to feed the second shift free of charge with a hot dinner (it’s a problem for the employer if at least one worker complains about stale soup or meatballs), and feed the third one twice, and pay twice as much. Well, if the terrible necessity requires that someone go out on one weekend (there’s no talk of work on Saturdays and Sundays even in case of a natural disaster or in the event of war), then the payment should not be established twice, but threefold! On holidays - 5-multiple. And in the New Year - equal in size to half of the average monthly earnings! Yes, for the mere fact that a person will spend the night from 31 to 1 at work, and not at a festive table with relatives and friends, as it should be.

I liked the reader's feedback, which was so enthusiastic about his favorite affair, that he was ready not to get out of work. Of course, dedication and responsibility must be rewarded. For example, in the following order: wishing to use the evening to refine their inventions (for experiments, for honing skills, etc.) gets this right (but whatever you like, on the weekend I would still drive such enthusiastic people home, work-work, and family worthy of attention, and the children of the father oh how they want to see at home). Further this way: with overtime work I achieved my goal (I opened a new door in science, improved technology, etc.) - in addition to all the awards, I received additional payment for all hours at once. It didn't work out - well, I'm sorry, I knew what I was going for.

As for the idea that “detouti” de ... And what, the realization that you developed the program (simply, the programmer wrote a review, as I understand it, sorry, if you made a mistake) helped the whole country - not an idea ?! And the fact that the country will open thousands of schools and hospitals from the sale of your offspring, will build tens of thousands of free apartments for people - is not it an idea ?! And, really, a deserved reward after such and such a valuable contribution will not be to your liking? - Yes, stop ...

After reading these lines, some bourgeoisie and bureaucrat involved in the allocation of budget funds, will in one voice cry out: “Nightmare! Yes, we will be ruined (the country will be ruined - in the case of a bureaucrat)! ”Yes, neither the bourgeoisie, nor the country, only the first one, will change the car more than once a year, and once every two years, but lower your house “Throws off”, in the case of the second one - about the same consequences.

I never tire of repeating: “The bourgeois is pathologically greedy and does everything to pay less!” The same rule works with the bureaucratic bourgeois state. We need to break this wrong way of thinking! Yes, to break, because "in an amicable way" it will not work here. I really wanted to describe, so to speak, visually (citing, by the way, a scene from a book on which I am working slowly), but ... I will not expose good people who have created a wonderful site (not a bit of adulation, by the way!).

Since, even if the people's government comes to power, many enterprises will remain in private hands (for if everything is selected at once, production will collapse), the state needs to return only strategic sectors, it will simply have to curb the owners of these enterprises. Making the salary increase, observing the labor legislation to the letter (in this sense, labor law should become even more important than criminal or tax law), at the same time forcing not to raise the price of the products! Do not comply with at least one of the requirements - the nationalization of the company and the prosecution of the owner! Believe me, one or two will burn, the rest - gritting his teeth, will obey. Well, someone's personal (personal, and not the profit of the enterprise) income from 10 to 5 million rubles / month will be reduced, and this “somebody” will not feel the difference. You say many will run to the West ?! - No matter how, a normal profit is considered to be just 7% per year! And we have both 300 and 700 ... Because, that it will not be 300, but let's say 150 will not break.

With all of the above, in order not to turn the bourgeoisie from the enemies of the people and the state into sworn enemies, you can take it easy. In the matter of taxation. For example, today the net income tax is 20%, in addition to it, the employer withholds 13% tax on all wages and pays to the budget, still pays 30% from each salary to extrabudgetary funds (pension, medical and social insurance) from their funds, there is also taxes. Lot?! - Let's admit it honestly, MIRACLE! Why not make a tax on net income 40, and even 45%, but to cancel all others, including income from the salaries of employees. It will be fair, the salary of 20 000 rubles / month is not so high (and I know perfectly well that in our country even not everyone earns that much), so that 13% can be deducted from it, even if the organization pays for everyone at once. Do not hesitate, 40-45% of the country's profit "behind the eyes" is enough (again, if the country goes, and not "servants of the sovereign" on the way). In addition, it is possible and should reduce document flow (it’s time to make it on 100% electronic for a long time), which will be an unspeakable relief (I will not go into this topic).

You can, 1000 times you can go to such sacrifices, however - with the fullest observance of the rights of the working person. Personally, I would introduce the following rule: “We will lower half of the skins for tax evasion, but for the offense inflicted on the employee - 100 skins !!!” The labor inspectorate should be instructed to make atrocities during inspections, and the court should consider the complaint of a working person in 72 HRS! Moreover, God forbid, if a judge is disingenuous, unfairly supporting the employer (when the employee is actually right) ... But the punishment for officials is also a separate question.
By the way, it would be possible to transfer the labor inspection in general to the state security Commissariat (looking ahead, I am for combining the current Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB into one department). Include this service in the economic crime management.

A fair salary level for central Russia (the north is another matter, a different climate and other money) at today's prices, I think, should be the following: for low-skilled workers - from 50 000 rubles / month, for qualified ones - from 100 000, for people with humanitarian higher education (except for psychologists, political scientists and “managers” who have been bred like uncut dogs) - from 120 000, finally, for the most necessary and valuable people with technical higher education - from 150 000 (and for rare engineering specialties - and 200 000 Immediately after high school). Needless to say that ALL salaries are permissible only in “white” form, no envelopes !!! Only PAID and sick leave (by the way, and the last on 100%, do not believe that a person is sick - check, but it will be confirmed - pay in full). And about various “fines” (by the way, even prohibited by the current bourgeois law), I’m generally silent. For them - the responsibility until the shooting of the employer or the one who secretly from him used such measures.

Let these lines be especially carefully read by the one who decided that I propose to forget about the “uncultivated” ones.

You would not believe it, who among the world leaders called entrepreneurs who infringe upon the workers, saboteurs and enemies of the state ... Well, who do you think? - Marx, Lenin, maybe, Plekhanov (it was he who believed that it took Russia a little longer to live under capitalism)? - And no! Hitler !!! Not a “left” politician, is it? Nevertheless, even he, the "possessed corporal," understood that it is impossible to oppress a working person, it is impossible to give a reason for the anger of the people.

Once again, no cheap labor - only adequately paid !!! However, so no? ..

At first, freebies will need to be secret. I hope, guess where people for darma work? - In the next part about it.
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Articles from this series:
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  1. smart ass
    smart ass 27 August 2013 08: 04 New
    0
    Not an article, but the delirium of a crazy person. The author still lives in the USSR. Why publish such articles?
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 27 August 2013 08: 14 New
      0
      Quote: Clever man
      Not an article, but the delirium of a crazy person. The author still lives in the USSR. Why publish such articles?
      I also had the feeling that this was written by a not quite adequate person.
      1. Fin
        Fin 27 August 2013 09: 04 New
        +5
        It looks like Shmakov’s magical dream.
    2. Civil
      Civil 27 August 2013 08: 52 New
      +3
      It’s not crazy, just afraid to call a spade a spade, answer a question, for example, what nationality is the majority of the bourgeois, what nationality is the richest bourgeois, whose means of production and natural rent are :-)
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 27 August 2013 15: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        It’s not crazy, just afraid to call a spade a spade, answer a question, for example, what nationality is the majority of the bourgeois, what nationality is the richest bourgeois, whose means of production and natural rent are :-)
        Really Jews. belay laughing
    3. creak
      creak 27 August 2013 10: 14 New
      0
      I have the same question, why publish, still to be continued ...
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 27 August 2013 13: 36 New
        +1
        I think it will be in reality! Years through ... twenty! Vanga's prophecies will come true! Whoever survives will be convinced ...
    4. anip
      anip 27 August 2013 10: 32 New
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      Quote: Clever man
      Not an article, but the delirium of a crazy person. The author still lives in the USSR. Why publish such articles?

      In fact, three years ago, an interview with a scientist and a deputy of the Duma flashed on television. So, that person on the numbers proved that in those years, if you moderate the appetites of the bourgeoisie and seriously fight corruption, you can make the average salary in the country of 60 thousand rubles. for workers, peasants, doctors, etc., and all this WITHOUT inflation and price increases.
      Was that nonsense too? If it’s nonsense, then why was this speech hushed up, while frank delirium is being circulated without stopping?
      1. Hon
        Hon 27 August 2013 11: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: anip
        if you moderate the appetites of the bourgeoisie and seriously fight corruption, then you can make the average salary in the country of 60 thousand rubles. for workers, peasants, doctors, etc., and all this WITHOUT inflation and price increases.

        Oh well, you discovered America straight, but we didn’t know that if you don’t cut the budget, the situation in the economy will be much better, and in our conditions it’s just the best economy in the world.
      2. smart ass
        smart ass 27 August 2013 11: 13 New
        +2
        Because in the richest country in the world, in a country that prints money itself .. a cleaner gets $ 8 an hour ... about 45 rubles ...
        1. poquello
          poquello 27 August 2013 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Clever man
          Because in the richest country in the world, in a country that prints money itself .. a cleaner gets $ 8 an hour ... about 45 rubles ...


          Did you add or differentiate it?
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 20: 38 New
          +6
          Quote: Clever man
          the cleaning lady gets $ 8 per hour ... about 45 rubles

          in fact, it’s important not how much the employee receives, but how much and what he can buy with this money
      3. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 19 New
        +1
        the first thing is to moderate your appetites?
        the second between the restriction on over-incomes (not justified) and the stupid things about overtime, the continuous cycle that Aptor described is a big difference
    5. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 14 New
      +4
      apparently the author did not live in the USSR
    6. avdkrd
      avdkrd 28 August 2013 00: 51 New
      +2
      Quote: Clever man
      Not an article, but the delirium of a crazy person. The author still lives in the USSR. Why publish such articles?

      Previous versions of afftor gave less paranoia. What bourgeois? Bourgeois from the French "bourgeois" (him a "burgher", but in general formally it is just a "townsman", "tradesman"). As a matter of fact, in the terminology of 20x BURZHUY is simply the owner who owns something, then in the RUSSIAN language it was transformed into a kind of usurper of the rights of workers, although in reality the Russians were deprived of their own business after Stalin. Khrushchev destroyed all the cooperatives, which before him were not just permitted, but enjoyed real state support, since they were included in the financial system of the USSR — settlements with cooperatives were carried out officially and taxed. The reality is a little different. The owner (of business or property) is vitally interested in minimizing his expenses (expenses). For example, being the owner of an apartment, I am interested in paying for the repair as little as possible. I will negotiate with the workers (tilers, plasters, painters, electricians, etc.) about the lowest possible amount of payment. The reverse side of the coin is the same tiles, plasterers, painters and electricians, but at the same time I did NOT MAKE them repair the apartment for nothing, WE AGREED. Regarding the issue of abuse of labor legislation by employers, this is indeed a problem of the capitalist system, or rather the system that has developed in our country and in most countries of the capitalist system. In one form or another, this is happening in Sweden and Norway, not to mention ASP. The legal framework should very strictly regulate the relationship between the employee and the employer (although in principle this already exists), there is only no corresponding responsibility of state officials "annoying" guest workers, the responsibility of the local administration, the police, which turns a blind eye to bribes or is simply controlled by the same administration ( usually hand washes hand). Everything that is not connected with migrant workers in the hands of workers and peasants (slogan 1917). They infringe on their rights - the prosecutor’s office will accept the application with pleasure (this is indeed the case and even consider it with particular bias), and if the employee or employee does not want to make any efforts to protect their interests (everything should fall from heaven, and protection and worthy reward) , then he would be the bastard with whom they will do so. The author has fallen out of reality. We have a market in our country, and the market dictates supply and demand. Labor is the same product, migrant workers, dumping the price of this product (not from a good life), the state must stand by the chest to protect its product (its citizens producing it). In practice, we hear demagoguery that without a foreign labor force we can’t boost the economy, etc. Complete nonsense. Any economist will say (if necessary, show on the model) that in the long or medium term, the benefit of attracting foreign and cheap labor is a fiction, the state does not receive development, like taxes, human resources, technology, etc. The author combed the whole middle class into one comb, but the problem is not in the prudent owners (even greedy ones), but in the system, gaps in the legislative framework, the lack of a proper (fair) qualification of violations of migration policy, transparency and simply areas of responsibility in monitoring violations. Schiklgruber’s quotes were out of place at all, that he didn’t arrange a crusade against the burghers (a synonym for the bourgeois), despite the fact that Germany was essentially socialist (national socialism) with a destructive bias in nationalism. Respecting the rights of workers hardly coexist with capitalism, or rather, with capitalism without strict state regulation.
      something I sniffed, I’ll go to sleep .....
    7. cdrt
      cdrt 28 August 2013 03: 15 New
      -3
      Lord, this is how to send this stupid youngster to somewhere, where he’s not taught to carry his nonsense ...
  2. kord1215
    kord1215 27 August 2013 08: 05 New
    +6
    "even if the people's government comes to power"
    "To force to raise wages, observing labor laws to the letter (in this sense, labor law should become even more important than criminal or tax law)"
    The bourgeoisie will not allow anything like that !!!
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 27 August 2013 20: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: kord1215
      "even if the people's government comes to power" "To force a wage increase, observing labor laws to the letter (in this sense, labor law should become even more important than criminal or tax law)"

      It can just comply with the laws and do not need a popular government.
      And the article seems to be from the department - fantastic prose!
  3. Basileus
    Basileus 27 August 2013 08: 07 New
    +6
    In my opinion, the article is not analytical, but demagogic. Yes, if everything is as the author suggests, then everything will be fine. But where to get so much money?

    And no! Hitler !!! Not a “left” politician, is it? Nevertheless, even he, the "possessed corporal", understood that it was impossible to oppress a working man, one could not give a reason for popular anger.

    Because his main bourgeois Reich and supported, apparently)
    1. anip
      anip 27 August 2013 10: 26 New
      +2
      Quote: Basileus
      Because his main bourgeois Reich and supported, apparently)

      Have you actually read anything on this topic? Read the two-volume Joachim Festus "Hitler" while walking. Then you will be sarcastic.
      (Incidentally, this work is considered one of the best, if not the best, Hitler's biography.)
    2. poquello
      poquello 27 August 2013 20: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Basileus
      In my opinion, the article is not analytical, but demagogic. Yes, if everything is as the author suggests, then everything will be fine. But where to get so much money?

      And no! Hitler !!! Not a “left” politician, is it? Nevertheless, even he, the "possessed corporal", understood that it was impossible to oppress a working man, one could not give a reason for popular anger.

      Because his main bourgeois Reich and supported, apparently)


      I agree. The author flies on a cloud of people's government (which, which?).
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 27 August 2013 08: 14 New
    +4
    Ha, under socialism, the working man had honor and respect, decent pay for labor and free medicine and education, under capitalism, a person is regarded as a commodity on the labor market and sold and bought at cost, there is no illusion that the state takes care of him, the union is it either inactive or absent, and the worker must pay taxes, be treated, study, support children and save for retirement, is ridiculous? But is this a reality.
  5. Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 27 August 2013 08: 19 New
    +6
    Ambiguous article. I agree that the common man is “strangled” all the time and is not allowed to earn. But paying 50 thousand to a cleaner is too much. The engineers would be given a salary. from 50 (I do not take into account Moscow) and many problems, including demographic ones, would be solved!
    1. anip
      anip 27 August 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Dazdranagon
      Engineers would have made a z.p. from 50

      More workers and peasants to the heap.
  6. saag
    saag 27 August 2013 08: 19 New
    +4
    Fantasies, especially in terms of paying overtime for the new year, are criticized by the bourgeoisie, and he himself is gradually promoting the topic of getting a little more nonsense, you need to introduce mechanization and automation in all sectors up to utilities, there was such a theme in the union, because there was a principle that a person should improve and routine labor should replace the machines invented by him that increase productivity, thereby simultaneously increasing the level of development of society
    1. anip
      anip 27 August 2013 10: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: saag
      routine labor should replace the machines he invented

      You cannot replace all routine labor with machines.
      1. max702
        max702 27 August 2013 11: 41 New
        -2
        While 30 low-paid turners are more profitable to keep than one expensive CNC machine, there can be no question of replacing a person with a machine! As soon as the turner's salary grows, it will immediately be more profitable to put an expensive CNC machine, therefore there is no salary, there are no inventions or production upgrades.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: max702
          As soon as the turner's salary grows, it will immediately be more profitable to put an expensive CNC machine

          it absolutely does not depend on one another, but depends on the products.
          Further, the lathe servicing an expensive machine and will receive much higher bo as its skill level should be appropriate
          1. Cpa
            Cpa 27 August 2013 14: 22 New
            +2
            Programs on CNC and technological maps are based on the work of the hands of a turner or milling machine operator. My father had such a job. He worked on the experimental part in the most efficient way, then based on his actions they made up the technology algorithm.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 16: 21 New
              +1
              Quote: KPA
              My father had such a job. He worked on the experimental part in the most efficient way, then based on his actions they compiled an algorithm for the technologist.

              and what are you talking about?
              1. Cpa
                Cpa 27 August 2013 17: 22 New
                +1
                This is a life example that a person should work in front of the machine.
                1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 18: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: KPA
                  a person should work in front of the machine
                  iiii
                  as it seems like everyone is saying so, I did not understand your comment, he’s talking about
                  1. Cpa
                    Cpa 27 August 2013 18: 27 New
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                    Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                    what is he talking about

                    Vladimir, it’s all about it, but each in its own way. I wanted to convey the idea that CNC alone could not solve the production problem. In factories next to the CNC there are machine tools from Germany and the Czech Republic 1936 of the year. What amortization, pricing, economic benefit can be discussed, if the calculation of the cost of production is taken from the ceiling, the appraisers in the workshops establish the cost of the part, either by order from above or by eye on the size of the part. As a result, our morally obsolete but reliable electric locomotive costs the same 60 million as the technological competitor.
                    If you clean up the system, the situation will change with the old equipment, if not, the fleet of CNC machines will not solve the problem, only people will lose jobs to the heap. You need a system, industry if you want an approach.
                    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 18: 30 New
                      +1
                      Quote: KPA
                      if the calculation of the cost of production is taken from the ceiling

                      you ask whom do you work?
                      Quote: KPA
                      If you clean up the system, the situation will change with the old equipment, if not, the fleet of CNC machines will not solve the problem, only people will lose jobs to the heap. You need a system, industry if you want an approach.

                      just the conversation was not about that at all
                      1. Cpa
                        Cpa 27 August 2013 19: 25 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        you ask whom do you work?

                        Entrepreneur (design and installation of automation). And you determine the credibility of opinions at the place of work?

                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        just the conversation was not about that at all

                        Yes, I understand, the conversation about the amount of wages. But I considered it necessary to note that the introduction of automation is a necessary but insufficient condition for solving this problem. At this stage in industry we have a hybrid (superstructure) of a planned economy with elements of cost accounting, without changing the basis .From here are the huge "Soviet" states, without guarantees of state purchases, such colossus are doomed.
                        Example: Rostselmash buys bearings for combines in Germany, although there are two bearing plants in the city, one is already over. Rostselmash is actively looking for sales markets. You can organize combine leasing to farmers on favorable terms, for example, under a guarantee of a fixed volume of state purchases of grain. This someone should be engaged, the free market will gobble up these giants and will not frown. And the WTO will help him with this.
                      2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 20: 35 New
                        +1
                        Quote: KPA
                        Entrepreneur (design and installation of automation). And you determine the credibility of opinions at the place of work?

                        Actually, I asked not where, but by whom. Agree that Aunt Dusya working as a cleaner in Rosselmash hardly knows the pricing principle in this organization.
                        so that the authority of the opinion can really be clarified by who the "analyst" is working or working with
                        Quote: KPA
                        the free market will gobble up these giants

                        sorry, but giants, and not artels, can produce such equipment
                      3. Cpa
                        Cpa 28 August 2013 00: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        it’s just giants, not artels, that can produce such equipment

                        Undoubtedly, John Deer and Challanger appeared in our region, and these are far from artels. And they are bought a lot request
    2. valerei
      valerei 27 August 2013 15: 20 New
      0
      max702, without getting involved in the discussion, because I want to read all the articles to the end, I ask the question: where will you get the rest of the workers, 29 people! Well, let the service staff of the machine - 2 more people, but there are still 27 hard workers, where are they going? Engage in highly intellectual work? An endless increase in labor productivity is harm to all. There will be no people making money - there will be no buyers of products, but there will be another crisis of overproduction, as they say, with all the consequences. I think so!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 16: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: valerei
        and where will you get the rest of the workers, 29 people!

        as one of the options to reduce working time, but it will also lead to a reduction in salaries
    3. hohryakov066
      hohryakov066 28 August 2013 07: 01 New
      +1
      The lathe and the CNC machine cannot be compared since the machine does not work without a program, and the turner is a programmer to himself. CNC is used only in large-scale production. Where it is necessary to create a turner will always be needed.
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2013 09: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: hohryakov066
        Where you need to create a turner will always be needed

        one can argue that today there is enough computer-controlled technology, even where it seems like it wasn’t thought about it, not even the simplest paper-cutting machine
  • Lapotnik
    Lapotnik 27 August 2013 15: 15 New
    +2
    Oh well. and where to put people? We’ll introduce cars, we’ll fire people. Will everyone go to the wipers? Or where? Benefits to them for what we will pay? And who will buy pus made on highly automated machines and by what means? Again loans, financial bubbles?

    Man wrote what should ideally be almost. If you like figs koryachivaetsya at work, for free in a sweat to sprinkle on the face of ultra-strong, etc. then the flag is in your hands.

    It’s kind of nonsense to criticize for the fact that a person thinks about compliance with the worked / earned, about how, in theory, this should be.

    While such philosophers will work and talk - garbage, the dull truth of life, it will be so - dear, I will linger, and the prize was cut xs why and so on. I do not propose extreme measures, I am talking about a restructuring of consciousness - if I reconciled to my soul, I already lost. Someone for the unpaid ruble to the authorities goes to a showdown, and someone silently leaves, and will write such comments.

    PS. About cleaners and 50tr. - Nuka go for 15 thousand tremors wash ka. In the army, it seems like they washed the demagogues of figs for free.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 16: 19 New
      -1
      Quote: Lapotnik
      It’s kind of nonsense to criticize for the fact that a person thinks about conformity to what has been worked out / earned, about how it should be in theory. As long as such philosophers work and talk - garbage, the dull truth of life, it will be so - dear, I will delay, but premium cut xs why and so on. I do not propose extreme measures, I am talking about a restructuring of consciousness - if I reconciled to my soul, I already lost. Someone for the unpaid ruble to the authorities goes to a showdown, and someone silently leaves, and will write such comments. PS. About cleaners and 50tr. - Nuka go for 15 thousand tremors wash ka. In the army, it seems like they washed the demagogues of figs for free.

      this is nonsense when people who are far from pricing start to talk about this topic, raising the salary level leads to an increase in the cost of the product, which means to a certain decrease in its purchaseability, which means that the company stupidly does not have enough money to pay these 50 tons to a cleaner.
  • poquello
    poquello 27 August 2013 21: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: saag
    Fantasies, especially in terms of paying overtime for the new year, are criticized by the bourgeoisie, and he himself is gradually promoting the topic of getting a little more nonsense, you need to introduce mechanization and automation in all sectors up to utilities, there was such a theme in the union, because there was a principle that a person should improve and routine labor should replace the machines invented by him that increase productivity, thereby simultaneously increasing the level of development of society


    And sho? Like the capitalist spread rot workers manual labor, so he will spread rot workers servicing machines.
    Healthy competition provides the working conditions necessary for enterprise competitiveness. The state within itself must nurture a good market and socialism. The amount of socialism should be inversely proportional to the conscience of entrepreneurs.
  • shurup
    shurup 27 August 2013 08: 25 New
    +1
    Russia will never be ready for war. You don’t even have to look.
    Simply due to the innate peacefulness and lack of aggressive aspirations.
    It happened that Russia was attacked by those more prepared for the war, but, having gotten their teeth, they cleared away.
    As for the populist flirting with the working class, they have a place on the trade union website, and not where it is supposed to be according to the charter.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 28 August 2013 03: 24 New
      0
      Simply due to the innate peacefulness and lack of aggressive aspirations.
      It happened that Russia was attacked by those more prepared for the war, but, having gotten their teeth, they cleared away


      Yes, yes ... "The Russian people are the most peaceful, spent 1000 years in campaigns and battles ...", along the way, creating the largest empire laughing
      And actually all the neighbors are for some reason afraid of us loving enough laughing
  • Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 August 2013 08: 34 New
    +9
    In part Labor relations- so it is good to dream, but dreams will remain dreams! In the meantime, like this:
  • Zerkalo
    Zerkalo 27 August 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    Recently, more and more such books have been published with different ideas on how to raise a country. Ideas from brilliantly simple (but impossible for us) to terribly sophisticated. The author simply expresses his opinion. I propose to wait for the last part, and then soundly criticize, and not write phrases like: “... the author does not understand anything. Why? Well, let him learn materiel "

    I’ll say about salaries right away, until the utopia. You can increase to such a size, but prices will rise. After all, we really do not produce anything, so due to which the cleaner 50 thousand to pay ???
    1. anip
      anip 27 August 2013 10: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Zerkalo
      After all, we really do not produce anything, so due to which the cleaner 50 thousand to pay ???

      And for the set of which bureaucrats raise their salaries, due to which the Abramovichs build themselves the largest yachts and villas, buy sports clubs? Maybe, after all, really the bourgeoisie need to moderate greed?
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Zerkalo
      I propose to wait for the last part, and then soundly criticize, and not write phrases like: “... the author does not understand anything. Why? Well, let him learn materiel "

      Do you think that it makes sense to finish the poop to the end, to understand that it wasn’t worth it at all?
      the author frankly does not understand the question of which he writes, do you think that he will understand the third part?
  • baltika-18
    baltika-18 27 August 2013 08: 54 New
    +6
    Plyusanul. Let him write further. It is interesting to read, all the same a non-standard opinion. Yes, and something useful for yourself can still be endured.
  • mcvdvlad
    mcvdvlad 27 August 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    ))) about salaries smiled, delirium, rare delirium, with such a concept as labor productivity, the author apparently did not meet? Where does the author collect such mushrooms?
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 27 August 2013 11: 17 New
      +2
      I wonder where the numbers ???? 50 thousand rubles salary ... hmmm why exactly 50 ??? At what inflation ?? What level of GDP of the country ??
      1. SASCHAmIXEEW
        SASCHAmIXEEW 27 August 2013 13: 48 New
        -2
        There was no inflation in the USSR, but there was an iron curtain, isn't it time to lower it? And then let's see what "entrepreneurs!" Like Abramovich are capable of.
  • Ermak
    Ermak 27 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    Well, like in a movie: "When you say, Ivan Vasilievich, the impression is that you are delusional ...")))))
  • pahom54
    pahom54 27 August 2013 09: 24 New
    0
    Utopia, fantasy, if not nonsense. The bourgeois altruist, the state altruist is a pipe dream. Tricks with taxes are useless, since the mentality of the Russian bourgeois is grabbing and chewing, and if not chewing, it bites so that others do not get it. And about salaries - utopia. As long as I remember (in the USSR, in Russia) - they will raise salaries by a penny, and the prices of goods soar by tens of kopecks. Such a proposed increase in salaries will only lead to frantic inflation, that is, it will bring harm instead of benefit. In general, dreaming is not harmful, but ... It is useless and even harmful.
  • saag
    saag 27 August 2013 09: 34 New
    +5
    Somehow the author took a little, some limited personal consumption - a higher salary and do nothing. Swing so for real. why the article does not mention the abolition of money and the distribution of material wealth according to the coefficient of labor participation, where at least the slogan "who does not work, he does not eat", where is the moral code of the builder of the society of the future, where expansion into space, somehow everything is too mundane .. ...
  • falcon
    falcon 27 August 2013 09: 53 New
    +1
    I put the Author + for his perseverance in conveying his ideas to the broad masses of forum users. :)) This would
    energy - yes for peaceful purposes! :))
  • optimist
    optimist 27 August 2013 10: 06 New
    0
    Another portion of "manilovism" early in the morning ... The author claims to be original. Meanwhile, all algorithms have been described for almost 100 years in history textbooks for October 1917. Only instead of "telegraph telephone mail" - the Internet, television, communications! laughing
  • zinander
    zinander 27 August 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Brad continues ?! lolAbout salaries is really cool ... 50 thousand. cleaning lady ... 150t. the guard ... paradise and more.
  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 27 August 2013 10: 29 New
    +1
    To be honest, the article smacks of utopia! As for work, in some cases, it is simply not realistic to cancel the round-the-clock shift, and many people like the shift schedule, you can immediately work out the time and then go about your business, and as for the salary, the author is still right, which in most cases it is unjustifiably underestimated or vice versa the prices are unjustifiably inflated!
  • Glory333
    Glory333 27 August 2013 10: 33 New
    +2
    A simple increase in wages will lead to inflation, it is more important to establish price controls. Prices for oligarchs are a simple and reliable tool for robbing people, I will give a simple example - after the introduction of the euro in Germany in stores and markets, the prices nominally remained the same only in euros, which at the exchange rate cost 1.4 marks, that is, prices automatically rose by 40%, by Complaints of the population of the oligarchic government of Germany answered - do not like the price do not buy!
    "Kind" bourgeois are (or have met) but extremely rare, almost all of them are really enemies of the people.
  • anip
    anip 27 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +3
    So, it’s an exclusively 8-hour working day, an exclusively five-day day. In general, we must work to ensure that the shift schedule is applied as rarely as possible.

    Did the author hear anything about continuous production? Offhand: steelmaking, generation and transportation of heat and electricity, transport, medicine, security, etc.
  • saag
    saag 27 August 2013 10: 39 New
    +1
    the title of the article must be changed, it does not correspond to the content
  • matross
    matross 27 August 2013 10: 50 New
    +5
    I did not rate the article. In general, the author reflects the mood of society - to snicker the bourgeoisie and bureaucrats and long live a decent life for the people. But the recipes are ridiculous. Some kind of non-socialism "with a human face." Here either-or. Either the beastly grin of capitalism or forward to the victory of communism. In my opinion, "remnants of capitalism" should remain only in some areas of the service sector, such as catering, tourism, retail trade, etc. with tough antitrust policy. The whole, as they say, the real sector of the economy should be nationalized and managed according to the principles of a planned economy. The banking system also requires "optimization" to 4-5 largest banks with a state share. participation in 30-40%. Agriculture can exist on mixed principles - farms and state farm-type enterprises in problem sectors as zones of risky farming or in low-profit, but important for food security. And maintaining an acceptable level of salaries in the state. the sector also needs (it is pointless to give absolute numbers) to ensure normal competitiveness with the private sector.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 27 August 2013 19: 02 New
      0
      Quote: matRoss
      I didn’t rate the article.

      For your comment, plus. Hello.
      All correctly stated. A brief concept of optimal development.
      1. matross
        matross 27 August 2013 19: 45 New
        -1
        Quote: baltika-18
        For your comment, plus. Hello.

        Thank you yes
    2. krpmlws
      krpmlws 28 August 2013 04: 13 New
      0
      I don’t understand why to copy a foreign experience, my head is gone? All leftists nod to China, saying that there is a mixed type of economy (socialist and capitalist) and it works wonderfully. Socialism is the absence of exploitation of man by man, if the state has private capital, then this country by definition ceases to be socialist. Thus, China- a capitalist state, everything else: a party, red flags, decorations. A China-revisionist state, which, instead of overcoming the weaknesses of socialism and perfecting it, betrayed socialism and went to the capitalist camp, essentially mechanically mixing the socialist form and the capitalist content. I already wrote earlier in this forum that the weakest point of socialism is the material disinterest of business leaders in selling the product of labor. It is this interest that makes capitalism effective. It is enough to introduce interest in the socialist model and this will ensure the necessary economic efficiency and no capitalism and this is not needed. Where there is interest, competition will inevitably appear, product advertising, those that are observed under capitalism.
      1. matross
        matross 28 August 2013 11: 20 New
        0
        Quote: krpmlws
        I wrote earlier in this forum that the weakest point of socialism is the material disinterest of business leaders in the sale of a product of labor. It is this interest that makes capitalism effective. It is enough to introduce interest in the socialist model and this will ensure the necessary economic efficiency and no capitalism is needed. Where there is interest, competition will inevitably appear, product advertising, those that are observed under capitalism.

        If you once wrote some heresy "on this forum" it still does not make it true. The economy of socialism is planned. In a planned economy, competition is impossible, and advertising is unnecessary. And to talk about the "efficiency" of capitalism is generally ridiculous. Everyone knows it, we see it in the USA, Europe, and just looking out the window! The economic achievements of China, which you probably consider to be accidental (after all, they mixed socialism and capitalism, the opportunists are unreasonable!), Others can only dream about!
        Quote: krpmlws
        I don’t understand why to copy a foreign experience, my head is gone?

        Read something, maybe you will understand! But there is a head. However, not all.
        PS And where did you actually read that I suggested copying the Chinese experience? These are your speculations. And in these conjectures you mixed economy and ideology in a handful, making the wrong conclusion from your own unsubstantiated assumptions! There is no dissertation advice - crap will not work!
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 28 August 2013 12: 05 New
          -1
          Horses mixed in a bunch, people ... laughing The economy of socialism is, first of all, the absence of exploitation of man by man, this is what makes the economy socialist. As for the planned system, its presence does not make the system socialist, but its absence does not make the system capitalist. The planned system does not contradict the private initiative of the director of an enterprise or other materially interested person "In a planned economy, competition is impossible, and advertising is unnecessary" - this was the case under the version of socialism in the USSR, but I meant further improvement of socialism and gave options for more efficient management. "To talk about the" efficiency "of capitalism is generally ridiculous ", - I have concerns about your adequacy requestAs for China, "you probably think" is your speculation and nothing more. "And where did you actually read ..." - I meant not you personally, but the left in general (read more carefully), who thoughtlessly urge to copy the Chinese experience.
          1. matross
            matross 28 August 2013 12: 48 New
            -1
            Quote: krpmlws
            The economy of socialism is, first of all, the lack of exploitation of man by man, this is what makes the economy socialist.

            This is not an economy. This is an ideology. You are delightfully incompetent.
            Quote: krpmlws
            I creep in fears about your adequacy

            And I have no doubt - you are ignorant.
            Quote: krpmlws
            I didn’t mean you personally, but the left in general

            This is very funny. But you don’t have to laugh. You will not understand what!
            1. matross
              matross 28 August 2013 13: 23 New
              -1
              Quote: matRoss
              You are ignorant.

              I'm sorry hi In a hurry, I missed an important letter repeat
              You are an ignoramus.
            2. krpmlws
              krpmlws 28 August 2013 13: 36 New
              -1
              matRoss-have not tried to be treated for megalomania? Can you connect a couple of words to the essence of what I said? Can you even separate the private from the essential? Probably, apart from the hardened stereotypes and stupidity: "exploitation is an ideology, not an economy," I can't think of anything. Understand what exploitation is and how this principle is integrated into the economic model of a socialist society. As for my doubts, it's me out of politeness , and so, to be honest, I have no doubts about you.
              1. matross
                matross 28 August 2013 15: 14 New
                -1
                Quote: krpmlws
                -Did not try to cure megalomania?

                I tried it. Did not help. I guess I'm really great! laughing
                Quote: krpmlws
                Can you even connect a couple of words with what I have said?

                Can. See above. But I will not even try. This makes no sense. To object to the person who offers me:
                Quote: krpmlws
                Understand what exploitation is and how this principle is integrated into the economic model of a socialist society

                meaningless by definition. Exploitation, dear friend, is not a principle, but a way of interaction between the owner of the means of production and the worker. And he is not the only one ... Why, I hit a literacy program here ... boring ...
                But, however, for the sharpness, I'm sorry, I probably went too far hi
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                  1. matross
                    matross 28 August 2013 17: 20 New
                    -1
                    This is your level! Even insults without spelling mistakes are not able to write ... "and they are still fighting for the title of a house of high culture of everyday life!"
  • dmb
    dmb 27 August 2013 11: 00 New
    +1
    The idea is good, the content of course suffers because of naivety. Somewhere it smells of Manilov’s, sometimes even eerie (I mean shooting without a trial). In general, if we measure wealth exclusively by money, then lately we have been infinitely happy under Yeltsin-Gaidar. Remember, then the lieutenant had a cash allowance of a million. And here is the fact that under socialism there was virtually no inflation, and the then lieutenant 120r. You can safely equate to the top ten Gaidar millions, yes. So you can pay 100 thousand to the cleaner, and then 95 of them can be taken in the form of tax, bread prices, and communal fees.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 12 New
    0
    article is a huge minus
    the aptor, apparently, didn’t even lead small teams for a single day (the phrase was especially pleased) "make three shifts of 8 hours each (from 8.00 to 16.00, h 16.00 to 0.00 and from 0.00 to 8.00)"Apparently, the respected aptor is not aware of the break. Incompetence and ignorance of the issue in almost every paragraph
    In general, the whole article just smacks of fierce class hatred based on banal envy
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 28 August 2013 03: 32 New
      +2
      In general, the whole article just smacks of fierce class hatred based on banal envy

      Here :-) I completely agree. It’s easier for Chmyr to sit at a computer, suffer Manilovism, but it’s envious when someone’s car is cooler laughing
      Balls in short - the product of turning a dog into a person laughing
      Knowledge -0, a simple thought - work harder, study, try and you will be happy, it never occurs laughing
      About the salary of the security guard delivered - as they say: when a girl does not know how to do anything, she goes to work as a prostitute, when the boy - as a security guard laughing
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 27 August 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    I did not evaluate the article as I consider it utopian. Fiction is also interesting sometimes to read, and dreaming is also not a sin. However, the author has some difficulties with the economy. Such a path will lead not only to inflation, but to hyperinflation. After which, of course, the bourgeoisie will go to the janitors.
    With respect...
  • RPG_
    RPG_ 27 August 2013 11: 20 New
    -1
    The idea is good and quite robust, but unrealizable in the next 100 years, and maybe never (they will make passports sewn under the skin even after trying to publish such an article immediately in the Guantanimo concentration camp).
    But there are so many pitfalls. It is clear that it is necessary to protect the workers from the atrocities of the bourgeoisie, but also the bourgeoisie from the scam of the workers must also be protected at the legislative level, otherwise the devil will succeed. And the first one to be buried by such measures will be a small business, he already barely breathes so here he will be completely ruined.
  • Xoxoxnumxun
    Xoxoxnumxun 27 August 2013 11: 26 New
    +1
    Take the author soothingly and sleep. What is proposed is utopia. In fact, the complete destruction of small and medium-sized businesses. With this development of events, people will go with a bunch of dough, but they will not be able to spend it, because everything will be closed - from grocery stores to hairdressers, from tire fitting to AvtoVAZ. I’m silent about agriculture, because there the turnover of funds takes place during the year and the margin is minimal. After the adoption of such laws, 50% of the working-age population will be without work and, accordingly, without money. Social tension will begin to grow, and then rebellion. Senseless and merciless.

    The author does not quite understand that not every businessman is Abramovich. The vast majority of entrepreneurs do not have space income.

    But the Abromovichs will not suffer. And so the business is registered abroad with the opportunity to work here, which is why the margin is large. And with the adoption of the measures indicated by the author, the "bourgeois" over the hill will register just about everything, right down to a tiny subsidiary company.

    And Russia will switch to subsistence farming, with in-kind exchange. There will be diapers on the basket to change, drink moonshine and scold difficult ....
  • Igarr
    Igarr 27 August 2013 11: 27 New
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    I do not understand...
    such a community in attacks on the author.
    I read it.
    I made a couple of notes in my memory.
    That's all.
    Is there really something to aggressively stigmatize here- nonsense, fantasies, misunderstanding of labor productivity ????
    .
    Our State Duma and Government - COLLECTIVELY - give birth to nonsense. .... and nonsense. Give birth daily.
    We do not brand them.
    Although it's high time.
    .
    And here .... eh.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 31 New
      -1
      Quote: Igarr
      Is there really something to aggressively stigmatize here- nonsense, fantasies, misunderstanding of labor productivity ????

      standing, do not know the topic, do not graphomania
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 27 August 2013 12: 10 New
        -2
        On bends easier .... critic.
        Russian written learning first.
        And then you will hand out advice, agreed.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 12: 57 New
          +4
          Well, this can be redirected to you.
          so that did not agree

          p / s / behave more politely and poke your friends, we somehow didn’t graze sheep together
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 27 August 2013 19: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: Igarr
        I made a couple of notes in my memory.

        I’ll support, Igor. By the way, too. Something is.
        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
        standing, do not know the topic, do not graphomania

        And you, Vladimir, something too fast. Calm down. You minus.
        1. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 20: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: baltika-18
          And you, Vladimir, something through too much zeal

          I want to read interesting articles, and not illiterate reasoning, for this, enough "yellow" media
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 27 August 2013 22: 41 New
            -1
            Well .... as they say ... to whom is a widow, to whom a girl is red ...
            if you, Vasilenko Vladimir, enough "yellow press" -
            what the hell then - YOU - get into all the comments.
            .
            Hello to your rams ...
            I’ve never passed anything.
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 28 August 2013 09: 32 New
              0
              Quote: Igarr
              what the hell then - YOU - get into all the comments

              I'm sorry I didn’t need to ask your highest resolution, I’ll take into account
              Quote: Igarr
              if you, Vasilenko Vladimir, enough "yellow press"

              you’ve already learned to read, but with an understanding of the problems you’ve read so far, I wrote that the article is open to the press and not to this site
  • Aldar kose
    Aldar kose 27 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +6
    As for me, the article has common sense.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 11: 32 New
      0
      do not say which and where? !!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 13: 00 New
        0
        smart answer wassat
        1. Aldar kose
          Aldar kose 27 August 2013 14: 04 New
          +2
          Vladimir, I didn’t give an answer and I didn’t put any cons either. As for common sense, I find it. Based on the principle that my words and opinions will remain with me anyway, I do not find any reason to argue my position. To argue for a red word does not make sense either. If you think that the author’s position is bullshit, it's up to you.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 14: 13 New
            0
            and yet, you can answer my question ?!
  • varov14
    varov14 27 August 2013 11: 41 New
    +3
    A dreamer, however, in terms of pay and working hours, but of course you have to pay a decent salary for work .-- (“The bourgeois is pathologically greedy and does everything to pay less!” The same rule works with the bureaucrats of the bourgeois state. We need this wrong way of thinking break! Yes, yes, break, because "in an amicable way" it will not work.) It is high time to apply extreme measures in this matter - authoritarian rule, dictatorship. The people are working, let us leave them alone, from the rest it is time to press for the benefit of the state - time has shown that the so-called "master", who supposedly will raise the economy, turned out to be an ordinary thief - it's time to change. Well, who grazes this thief are generally dropouts and crooks - a tough sweep.
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  • Fire
    Fire 27 August 2013 12: 08 New
    0
    Dreaming, of course, is not harmful ... This was not, no, and never will be! Of course, it would not hurt to put some officials into prison \ to shoot, but the rest ... sorry!
  • Ulan
    Ulan 27 August 2013 12: 17 New
    +1
    Great article. You can argue about the details, but in general the author is right. Our country is the richest and the shame that our citizens live, to put it mildly, not very rich.
    And at the expense of the working schedule, everything is true. Again, except for specific industries (continuous cycle, etc.)
    Now the employee is not protected by anything and no one. The trade union is a mockery and a shame, it is a long-time commercial private organization.
    Labour Inspectorate? Well, we heard about her but never saw her.
    Work on weekends is constantly at the same time, if under the "damned" communists, there was necessarily an order for an enterprise or organization for a list of workers who were called on the day off and who was at the checkpoint, then today it is simply at the verbal request of the employer.
    But the employee does NOT HAVE the right to be located on the territory of the enterprise without appropriate registration.
    Otherwise, God forbid, what will happen, the employer will always say what kind of things you did on the territory on the day off? And the link to the oral order will not work.
    The fact that in our country this is not even capitalism is the most cruel exploitation of people. The rights of the author are bourgeoisie.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 27 August 2013 13: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: Ulan
      Now the worker is not protected by anything and nobody.

      Quote: Ulan
      Work on weekends is constantly at the same time, if under the "damned" communists, there was necessarily an order for an enterprise or organization for a list of workers who were called on the day off and who was at the checkpoint, then today it is simply at the verbal request of the employer.

      for the sake of interest, read the law and finally learn to defend yourself, and not wait for "Ilyich"
    2. Aldar kose
      Aldar kose 27 August 2013 14: 07 New
      0
      I agree with you.
  • teo28
    teo28 27 August 2013 12: 26 New
    +1
    The author should read the book Atlas Shrugged. There he will find a description of all his ideas expressed on the forum, as well as what these ideas can lead to.
    By the way, the book was written in 1957.
  • T-73
    T-73 27 August 2013 12: 53 New
    +1
    another variation on the theme: "select and divide". And the idea of ​​organizing labor in production is something in general. He forgot to add: when the bourgeoisie are re-educated, there will be no need to pay and membership in trade unions. Another 1% of the salary will remain in the pocket of the proletarian. Eh and live!
  • Diviz
    Diviz 27 August 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    what kind of war? internecine so it has been going on since the advent of the principality of Moscow. one and same rake. if the world then they’ll shoot. they will talk. will share. and so on ad infinitum. until a meteorite hits its head. and right now, democracy, neither I nor this are mine. who hid is not to blame. so think about where the patriots come from.
  • SIT
    SIT 27 August 2013 14: 37 New
    0
    "- Tell me, Shura, honestly, how much money do you need for happiness? - asked Ostap. ... Balaganov thought for a long time, smiling timidly, and finally announced that for complete happiness he needed six thousand four hundred rubles and that with this amount he would very good in the world "
    Balaganov’s calculations are very similar to the author’s argument about who should pay how much. You can take advantage of the ready-made achievements of the West and East, to which they went through a long struggle of trade unions with employers. Salary in developed countries is 60-67% of the price of any product. We have it 22-24%. Establish legislatively the proportion of developed countries and check through tax. Raised the price - increased profits in his pocket, but also increased salary. At this price, the goods do not go, went bankrupt. He lowered the price, but increased labor productivity, the product took more, profit and wages increased.
    1. labendik
      labendik 27 August 2013 20: 32 New
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      Does it bother you that this proportion has been achieved in the West without any tax inspections or legislative initiatives?
      1. SIT
        SIT 28 August 2013 00: 13 New
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        Quote: labendik
        Does it bother you that this proportion has been achieved in the West without any tax inspections or legislative initiatives?

        How many years? The trade union movement began there in the 19th century and did not go bloodless. Do we have so much time?
  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 27 August 2013 14: 43 New
    +2
    From the whole article, one thing is true for me and my opinion coincides with this (I repeat), natural resources and the defense industry should belong to the state.
    Resources because the state was developed and defended by many generations before us and many generations after us will live in Russia. It is paid for by many millions of human lives. This all belongs not so much to us as to future generations. This cannot belong to one person or group of persons. So that is effectively not efficient, but only state property.
    But when the oil was sold and someone makes machine and transformer oil from it, or the state sold the forest and sawed it and produce forest products, this is a completely different picture, an honor and praise to such a person or group of people.
    About the defense industry is all the more clear.
    Of course, we are all jarred when state-owned enterprises are sawed and sold in various schemes. But when your company (albeit small) is created, it should be welcomed by everyone and I emphasize respect. And then if I am ribbed or expelled for my initiative, legal work and property, then you will not get any good from me either, I will find and bury if I am alive.
    A grater about the bourgeoisie is envy. You must try to do something yourself, after you do it, also sell and guarantee the product and bear responsibility under the contracts. To think that if you distribute or skip all the money now, you will not be able to work further and, accordingly, you will not be able to pay your salary either. We must try to give our money to someone for a New Year’s award, at least once, then there will be clarity, order and an idea in my head.
    The exploitation of man by man is necessary for evolution and a healthy society so that each person strives to rise and do something himself. I myself came up with this right now, because when I worked in the civil service and private traders, I always thought about what I could do myself, whether I was useful to society or would not be of any use to me.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 27 August 2013 15: 37 New
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    I never tire of repeating: "The bourgeois is pathologically greedy and does everything to pay less!" The same rule works with the bureaucrats of the bourgeois state. We need to break this wrong way of thinking! Yes, yes, to break, because "in a good way" will not work here.

    Revolution or something, again the 17th. For nothing they - the neo-bourgeois will not give up their unfairly acquired property.
    And they don't give a damn about all the other fantasies of the "lower classes" and grind them up - the wave does not flutter them at the top and they do not rush to the bottom.
  • Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 27 August 2013 16: 47 New
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    Article, funny. The bourgeois approach to resolving the issue, but only from the bottom. The author is clearly not familiar with the work of the writer I. Efremov. I recommend for general development. hi
  • Uzoliv
    Uzoliv 27 August 2013 17: 27 New
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    The author is bravo! The ease of thought is just extraordinary.
    1. R150
      R150 27 August 2013 21: 51 New
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      yeah, apparently not burdened by either knowledge or experience
  • itogo
    itogo 27 August 2013 17: 33 New
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    Currently, there is no person in the world who knows who is to blame, what the judges are to do, but until then you can’t comprehend it better than it is, once again breaking firewood. Everything passed, and the people were built, and the bourgeois were thrown off, then they dispersed everyone and returned the bourgeois to their place. You have to be completely idiots so that in a new way ...
    A working day is everyone's personal business, but a salary? - a professional is always happy, for example, Maxim’s cinematographer received 80 r / month with an average salary in the country of 15 r / month (information on VO materials) and, for some reason, apparently made a revolution with a fool. Perhaps they even lied to the movies, although the revolutionary Badayev was also a well-paid professional locksmith with the same salary, and he was a wonderful person, too. And yet, while taking a break, we need to start with education and vocational education, the rest will follow, and now there’s nothing to talk about, no one in the country is ready for any changes, and writers, most of whom have not read Russian classics, also.
  • Donvel
    Donvel 27 August 2013 17: 49 New
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    Insanity grew stronger.
  • Pensioner
    Pensioner 27 August 2013 17: 58 New
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    I believe that such articles are needed, both for those who agree with the author's calculations and for those who disagree. Both of them, for their part, will consider controversial ideas, and thinking in this direction to improve life in the country, develop their own ideas. Perhaps much more productively. than the author. As a result, the benefit for society. And common thoughts are power! Since the mid-late 50s, not only in big cities, but in the very, very remote places, in villages, looking at the sky, young people dreamed of interplanetary ships, about Space, that the Soviet people would be the first to fly into space. Many of them also did not understand about any technical difficulties, or about economic calculations. They dreamed and that's it! Therefore, there was such a participation in the joy and pride of everyone that Gagarin was the first cosmonaut in the world to fly into space. Because everyone invested their particle of soul in the dream of the first Soviet cosmonaut, and therefore there was a feeling of happiness for everyone, that the dream came true. Oblomovshchina is when one person's dreams are only for himself. After all, Oblomov was lying on the couch and dreamed "on his own", therefore, his dreams never came true. Our author shares his dreams and plans with us. And it depends on us how much our compatriots can support, develop and improve these dreams. And plans. Dreaming is useful, especially if together.
  • saag
    saag 27 August 2013 18: 15 New
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    to dream it is useful, of course, but what it is like to dream of a salary of 200 rubles immediately after graduation, the graduate has no experience whatsoever and immediately such an announcement, such dreams are harmful
    1. Pensioner
      Pensioner 27 August 2013 18: 52 New
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      And I just explained that you need to dream about your own country, together. And you're all about "Oblomov's dreams of 200000 rubles."
  • repytw
    repytw 27 August 2013 18: 23 New
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    The author of the article thus wants to do something for the revival of the Power, albeit in this way, but many do not at all.
  • itogo
    itogo 27 August 2013 18: 25 New
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    A person really doesn’t need that kind of money, the article correctly says this is a pathology. Capital is needed and good when it is worth it, when it is good.
  • saag
    saag 27 August 2013 18: 35 New
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    Quote: repytw
    The author of the article thus wants to do something for the revival of the Power, albeit in this way, but many do not at all.

    We are waiting for 2017, the author will utter the fatal words "Guard is tired" :-)
  • Grif
    Grif 27 August 2013 18: 36 New
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    The article has some sensible thoughts, but it’s immediately clear that the author is a young man and has never been involved in business. Take it out, scream, my money, acquired by my overwork! And when the rent is lifted up to heaven? And when does seasonal demand fall? And when partners stupidly throw, he is not interested. Cleaver.
  • DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 27 August 2013 18: 38 New
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    Insanity grew stronger? The author is a stupid person? Select and share? Well, you and the creatures !!!! State enterprise number 320 people. average salary24t p. gene director salary 280 t chapters of bukh and other chapters. 220t. R. middle link. masters, relatives of the upper classes. salary .35000 rub. normal masters 28000. workers' salaries 12000 rubles !!!!!