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Team "gases"

What is, in fact, clumsy in the Gaza team, if it works successfully? Iraq reminds? Well, so the Americans in Iraq have achieved their. Why not use the recipe again? Assad recalcitrant? It's easy to be disobedient when China is yours. Asad’s behavior is stupid, not in an abusive sense, but of little intellectual nature, and he pays for his own stupidity, not for endurance.

If he enjoys the support of a strong country for quite a long time, then it was necessary not only to be proud of the whole world for this remarkable fact, but to quietly agree with everyone, bargain for favorable conditions. He needed to carefully analyze the situation. Suppose, even six months ago, Asad could show the United States fig, but now Russia's economic reports have come out - the economy is worth (+ 0,2%), and it may soon begin to fall. But the fact that Russia is approaching a recession was already known a year ago - this should have been a reason to think about this to your Asad.

And if he watched his jacket for a smaller one, he would suddenly realize that the Olympics would soon come to Russia, and she herself would not be disgraced, as Assad is already here. In addition, the Far East flooded ... And China refuses to take gas at Russian prices and even at market prices; Europe, in turn, forces Gazprom to sign contracts on buyer's terms. Ukraine does not want to go to the Customs Union - this is all much darker than the war in Syria. This is the end of a hypothetical empire, even in a hypothetical far future. There are more internal problems in Russia than in Syria.

Assad should have foreseen this and not engaged in this nonsense. There is a duck about chemical weapons? Run to the UN, drag experts, journalists, anyone to yourself - show that you have nothing but a hoe and a noose.

The same from the beginning of the year, China has been repeating that it is reorienting to the domestic market, and in general he would have to support GDP growth by 7,5% - that’s the main task, he’s not up to Assad. If growth is less than 7%, then China will begin a dizzying fall into the abyss. Does he need this? Yes, when they start bombing, the Chinese Foreign Ministry will bring something about the Americans, but it will not do any real movements. There is no economic or political sense. Everyone already knows that he can roar at America, but the reason is too small.

Who for whom?

In fact, on one side of the scale there will be the United States and those they ask, and on the other side of the scale there will be Assad with the army and ... almost no one else, and the United States will be much heavier. This means not enchanting analytical reports in the media about how Iran and China send armada tanks and paratroopers by air on the Russian MIGs and Antonovs, and the alignment of forces in the event of a real military operation.

The United States does not begin to fight, if there is no overwhelming advantage in everything on their side, well, except for manpower (so it is not needed there, let the brave Aborigines be cut). And if the situation, now, after long quarrels at a diplomatic level, is developing so rapidly, it means that the United States has already created a total advantage and are confident of success.


Implications for the UK and France

None Freezing bilateral negotiations will not: terminate the contract - get isolation, freeze accounts of major "figures" of "science and art" of the Russian Federation, blocking businesses, weaning real estate, sending entrepreneurs, and even landing - all Russian entrepreneurs for the West are thieves and everyone has compromising. And if the boycott of the Olympics? Who will go? Snowden knows that no one will go anywhere. What is there to talk about if the Russian largest AvtoVAZ plant is controlled by the French and its director Carlos Gon? What is freezing here.

China is even simpler - China is pragmatic, the EU is its largest sales market and investment partner. Freeze contracts for Assad? Pffff ...

With regard to the return of bearded sons, this problem is dragged a little by the ears. Firstly, Syria is not for a couple of days, and from there it is still necessary to return, and secondly, besides Syria - after Syria - there are many excellent goals. No need to exaggerate the significance of individual terrorist attacks in Europe: ETA and IRA, and even earlier the RAF put people in Europe much more and more successfully than bearded abreks. Well, last year's shooting of special forces in France is just a naive example. In Beslan, the color of the group Alpha was knocked out in ten minutes. That's what - and that's where! - it is necessary to be afraid of bearded sons. And this was what some people needed to spend money on - to strengthen internal security - and not on the Olympics and not on the hikes of rusty boats to the shores of Syria. Chickens to laugh.

Jordan

With the beginning of the war, Jordan will simply stop accepting refugees and everything - that there will be no one to worry about with them. In which case they will apply weapon. So everyone does.

Turkey

With regard to refugees - the same as in Jordan. Everything else will be the same as now. “Massive Syrian Armed Response” after the first week of the American bombing will be possible only if in a computer game based on ... Turkey itself can take part in the show along with other scorers. Why not?

Israel

Refugees will not be accepted - where can I get something? A couple of rockets will fall, a couple of cars will be blown up at a checkpoint, Israel, as usual, will blow half of Lebanon back and it will all end. Iran will not bomb Israel, all the more “massively”, because the war is not between Israel and Iran, Syria for Iran, as well as for Russia, is only a reason for unsubstantiated self-affirmation on the world stage. After Syria, Iran will simply look for another reason to rumble against Israel - this is much safer for Iran. And it will be right for a thin world better than a good quarrel.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia

What is the purpose of the overlap of the Gulf of Hormuz? Again - for what / whom?

The popular thesis that Iran has nothing to lose is rather strange ... Why is it that Iran has nothing to lose? Yes, there is an agreement on mutual aid with Syria, so what? Syria as a full-fledged strong state no longer exists. And Iran exists. Will decide whether to start a fight with the United States for a heap of stones. If so, for what purpose? Yes, he may be next after Syria, and maybe he will not. If it does, then we must not climb on the rampage, bringing the inevitable closer, but to develop a system of measures for prevention - to be smarter than Assad. Iran is called the “next” goal since the “Desert Storm” or even earlier. Well, it's better for him to focus on strengthening internal security, rather than on helping stupid allies. So he will do. Iran is not so powerful to be with the United States, but rich enough and it has something to lose. Will think what to do next.

USA

“Economic agony in the USA” is nothing more than a dream. It exists in the imagination of comrades of years ... well ... forty years, for sure. Yes, more! It's all in the heap usually - some nonsense about the bankruptcy of cities (700 bankruptcies from 37 year - everything ... kapets America came), poverty in Detroit (from 70-s.). For some unknown reason, people often see one side of a complex phenomenon. For example, "a quarter of the total volume of oil supplied to the United States from Venezuela." So compare Venezuela and the United States - this means that Venezuela depends on the United States not less, but more than the United States on Venezuela. If it were not so, the late light, Hugo Chavez, would cover up the crank, would cover up. But not covered.

And the trump card is "debt to China." Yes, more than that! Russia is among the top ten creditors of the United States. So what? What will happen the day after China demands that the debts be returned from the US? If the US turns out to be honest, (hahaha), then the next morning, it’s not the USA, which has a cloud of reserves in case of wars with aliens and hundreds more reliable creditors, but China, which still lives due to export, and the USA - the largest importer of Chinese goods. Turn over the entire economy of the world. True, for this it is necessary for China to be supported by Japan (hyhyhy) because it is slightly less creditor than China.

But ... think for yourself, will China go to this for the sake of Assad? China depends on the United States as well as the United States on it, even the term appeared such “Chimerica” - an interdependent economic megastructure from the United States and China.

The possible gain from the war with Syria is the enrichment of the United States, isn't it? Rich USA is richer China. A wealthy China is a stabilizing European economy - a key partner of China ... Well, who the hell has this Assad surrendered to? Once again: China is pragmatic and this is the main quality of its policy.

Results

The analysis is really superficial. Millions of Syrian refugees are the problem of refugees, not of neighboring countries. Popular unrest is caused more effectively by homosexuals, and wars go on constantly, but all on the drum. For example, in terms of the level of terrorism, Russia is in a 4 place in the world because of the actual war in Dagestan. So what? Society is much more nervous not because of Dagestan, which is already here, very close, but because of Syria and because of homosexuals. Economic blows - in spite of my mother freeze my ears - no fools. Only Russia is capable of this, and only in the performance of the current management team, but it cannot hit anything. Direct intervention "on the South Ossetian variant" - yes, funny joke. Credit

Iraqi neutrality? The author probably wanted to say Iranian. Well, this is not neutrality, but non-interference.
Yes, most likely it will end with the words etc. I wish it ended with words.
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  1. kot11180
    kot11180 27 August 2013 10: 13
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    until I read to the end, I thought Chubais wrote an article, or Navalny
    1. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 27 August 2013 10: 16
      18
      Of course, every opinion has a place to be, but ... somehow it's all gloomy.
      The author’s attitude to this topic is not clear. It seems to have revealed the worst option. Couldn't it be better?
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 27 August 2013 10: 25
        52
        Vladik, do you think everything was correctly and evenly laid out on the shelves? ..... Russia many times in its history turned over such shelves and hammered its irrational nail (last example: Kosovo vs Abkhazia and South Ossetia, symmetrical answer) .... time will tell who is hu ..... Vlasov also thought that they had chosen the right, strong, smart and powerful side
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 27 August 2013 11: 00
          13
          The West and the United States will not let Syria out of their clutches. All this was not brewed so that, with an apology for the "mistake", to let the Assad regime go in peace. It is impossible to reduce power by the forces and hands of the imaginary opposition and the "armed fighters for democracy" from al-Qaeda who have joined them. Helping the "cannibals" with weapons and money has become unattractive. Apparently they decided to take everything into their own hands and put an end to Assad at once, none of them thinks about the further consequences of this upcoming bloody action: "there will be a day, there will be food." There will be a sea of ​​blood ...
      2. KazaK Bo
        KazaK Bo 27 August 2013 15: 28
        +7
        Quote: Hauptmann Emil
        Of course, every opinion has a place to be, but ... somehow it's all gloomy. The author’s attitude to this topic is not clear

        Of course ... everyone, if justified, has the right to an opinion. Moreover, there is a rational link in the article.
        But the trick is that MIND DO NOT UNDERSTAND RUSSIA! Well, they can’t understand us for centuries in the West, and from here they cannot understand the rules of the game with us ... AND THIS IS OUR STRENGTH!
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 27 August 2013 20: 36
        -1
        And why not be such a scenario? Putin, to be honest, is not up to Syria now. The flooded Far East was correctly indicated here, the level of production in the country is falling, salaries are being reduced, which in turn leads to a fall in the domestic market, gas and oil are selling worse, investments are not going, and on the contrary, the export of capital, so Putin now needs first in Russia to restore order, and only then deal with Syria, Iran, etc. otherwise you can lose Russia by engaging in Syria.
        1. the polar
          the polar 27 August 2013 21: 19
          +3
          Yes, in the article, although it is vulgarly stated, there is a rational beginning.
          In my opinion, at the time, without having installed air defense systems under an agreement with Iran, Russia already then lost its influence in the Middle East. With Iran’s modern air defense capable of covering its sky, Russia could calmly
          bring everyone to the EU + US into a bloody dump with Syria + Iran. This was a real opportunity to strengthen their influence and authority in the Islamic world and at the same time to exhaust their potential enemies financially and politically. Strengthen the crisis processes and socio-political instability of the West.
          But for this, the Kremlin should have had pro-Russian cadres and not State Department footmen.
          Now it’s too late to change something.
    2. artemiy
      artemiy 27 August 2013 10: 39
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      Article bullshit!
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 27 August 2013 14: 03
        +9
        Quote: artemiy
        Article bullshit!

        You can’t say more precisely, the author constantly contradicts himself, for example, he says that China will reorient to the domestic market, and then declares that China will hold on to exports to the United States, if the domestic market is more important, it can easily aggravate from the United States, and if more important than the external one, the Middle East region is very interesting to China for its energy resources, having lost Libya, it will hold on to Syria. I also liked the author’s phrase about a trip of rusting troughs to the coast of Syria, but he won’t tell what year the majority of US ships release? Much older than ours ..
        Regarding the fact that Iran has nothing to lose, it generally made fun, i.e. the only ally on B.V. Yes, and with a good army, do you think anything? He also says that Iran is not in a position to compete with the United States, well, in my opinion, history has proved that any country can do it in the United States if it is properly organized, even when amers use the scorched earth tactics.
        The author constantly says that you need to deal only with internal problems, but as history shows, this leads to isolation of the country, and to no good, friends are always needed ..
        At the expense of Europe, it is clear that the loss of Syria for Russia is much more tangible than the loss of money in the accounts of Western banks, which they will not give them to us, using for example an occasion to violate the rights of gays in Russia.
        On account of the fact that Europe refuses to take our energy resources, yes, please, the money for them is still deposited on the accounts of the oligarchs, and you would have used this oil and gas for the internal needs of industry as in the Union ..
        Well, and of course I was most surprised by the Olympics, is it not clear to him that surrendering to Syria means a significant increase in bearded men in the Caucasus and, accordingly, kirdyk Olympics!
        1. Fish_Ob_Ice
          Fish_Ob_Ice 28 August 2013 10: 11
          0
          I apologize, maybe I missed something, but how will Europe give up our energy resources? O_o Do they have an alternative? If they had it, they would not be hysterical and would not threaten us with lawsuits, and God knows what else. They will not get away from us anywhere.
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 27 August 2013 15: 49
        +3
        Quote: artemiy
        Article bullshit!

        not.. No. , Sivokabily nonsense is more logical ... the article is Malevich’s square - if it makes no sense then anyone can think of it ... hi
        1. artemiy
          artemiy 27 August 2013 16: 05
          0
          Looks like Navalny put a hand to her fool
        2. Hleb
          Hleb 27 August 2013 19: 07
          0
          Isn’t there a lot of commentary, moreover voluminous, emotional ... and opinions? and everyone came to this nonsense, although it’s natural to take some moments seriously I just can’t. That’s why I like such articles. Not like others. People started to fuss, something unusual on the site)) well, it’s more interesting with such opinions? and many on the armor every day ... all my life
          (I didn't mean you "on the armor")
      3. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 27 August 2013 17: 26
        0
        Quote: artemiy
        Article bullshit!

        I agree with you all 150%. The author clearly ran away from a well-known institution. Ostrich cynicism. Vlad Pecherin, or the one behind him, clearly claims to a certain place among comedians. He grabbed the tops and is trying to convince everyone that we should all have the same thoughts as him. He does not pull on a comedian. In my opinion, they also fail to appear smart. One phrase suggests itself - Chatterbox, a find for our liberals, and not only for ours.
        At one time, by the Decree of Peter 1 of October 4, 1703, it was said: "I will instruct the senators to speak at assemblies and in the presence of gentlemen only in words, and not according to what is written, so that everyone can see the foolishness of everyone." And he also said that. - The subordinate in the face of the superiors must look dashing and silly, so as not to confuse the authorities with his understanding. "
        Well done Vlad Pecherin! You successfully fulfill the Decree of Peter 1. The boss for you is FORUM AND CITIZENS OF RUSSIA.
        I remembered: "- I have the right? - Yes, you have! - So I can? - No, you can't!"
        TIP: NOTHING TO DEFECT RUSSIA !!! ADVICE ON DAMAGE:
        1. DAOSS
          DAOSS 27 August 2013 23: 46
          0
          "ADVICE: THERE IS NOTHING TO SHAME RUSSIA !!! ADVICE on pulling:"
          There is good reason to believe that Russia will shock with rusty weapons, but how the amers will bomb Syria, collect manat and dump it. How many times it was!
          So that your advice is off topic! Russia itself has repeatedly dishonored itself and for the sake of Syria the 3rd World War will not begin!
          As it was in 41g, until the last we hope that we will not be touched, all the allies will be salt, and then we will be partisan on our territory, and the amers with Jews and Angles will call us terrorists.
          He spoke gloomily, Ugh, Ugh, Ugh of course, a tip in my tongue. But I FEEL that it will be so.
          Therefore, remember my words to those who will be negative!
      4. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 27 August 2013 20: 49
        +1
        Do not insult the mare (although she is gray, but not so mean).
    3. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 27 August 2013 12: 04
      16
      The article is unpleasant, but much is, unfortunately. The thing is that the course of this action may not go according to the scenario ... Water in the Far East began to decline, the price of oil may rise, moreover, sharply, if hostilities begin near the oil region and Russia take and help Assad, which then ? Everything is not so clear ...
      1. Gur
        Gur 27 August 2013 13: 52
        23
        The most unpleasant thing, in the article and in life, is the truth, the truth is that we (Russia) can't (or don't want) to do shit, I don't know how far-sighted our politicians are, I would like to believe what is behind the refusal to fight over Syria (Lavrov), we are thus preparing the United States for another trap, in terms of ruin and the final undermining of authority, influence, etc. and so on. I WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE IT. But while we have to look and see not nice things, when it would seem that the success of our leader of the Internal Troops Putin in the west is followed by such a slap in the face (in cases of an attack on Syria) when, in fact, nobody needs his authority and the authority of our country. , since we are in the role of a dog that barks but does not bite (where are we to bears), it is all the more offensive that, as I already wrote, many who stood up for Assad begin to blow away even on the site, and this makes it even worse, because you understand that all our bravado is just zilch, and chatting on the Internet, without any action (before, people even organized rallies and demonstrations with posters "Hands off Vietnam) respect after that falls not only to the country but also to oneself, (the reasons described above) As for "our Assad", he is guilty of one and more essential, one cannot pull the cat by the balls, this problem had to be solved quickly, with lightning speed, tough. Alas, it is clear that not only Russians learn from their mistakes, the experience of the dead leaders of neighboring countries can be seen was not indicative for him. Now if Assad leaves everything as it is in case of an attack and does not announce mobilization (and that they have a holy war there), then the fate of Gaddafi is assured to him. And guessing like what will happen with oil and the Olympics and whether Russia and China will help Syria, I think it's not even worth it, if we would like to do something for Syria, our fleet would already go there, and he (the fleet only now did not understand Black Sea or Pacific) goes to the shores of Australia and Vietnam, probably out of harm's way.
        1. elmi
          elmi 27 August 2013 15: 05
          12
          It seems that all countries play their roles in advance, including Russia. From the moment of the collapse of the USSR, especially in the last years of the USSR under Gorbachev and to the current government, I see treason against Russia. Otherwise, how to explain the constant step-by-step surrender of the positions: to list for a long time here are some of the many surrenders: the collapse of the organization of the Warsaw Pact countries, I understand the collapse of the USSR, but it was possible to create a similar counterbalance to NATO, the closer countries to the borders of Russia, allowed to divide Yugoslavia, the fall of Iraq , Libya, now it is also possible to Syria, then what is Iran? Otherwise, how could we explain the refusal of deliveries of c-300 to Iran, perhaps they didn’t deliver Syria, I read it as if we didn’t put Syria’s combat fighters and many weapons that would permanently discourage the desire to attack Syria. It turns out that fulfilling the request of Israel and America, our authorities thereby gave Syria absent-mindedly to be torn to pieces by the NATO, and in order to save our face we support the supply of weak Syrian weapons, we are demonstratively conducting the squadron exercises off the coast of Syria to make it clear that Syria is under protection. Now the aggravated situation of the 2 fleet Usa getting ready for aggression and where is our fleet? and he sailed in advance to the shores of Australia and to Cuba with Venezuela. One question ... but not everything is so hopeless - the example with the defense of Abkhazia and South Ossetia showed that we can show our will contrary to the west. But there are practically no such examples I want more.
        2. 755962
          755962 27 August 2013 19: 43
          0
          Quote: GUR
          the truth is that we (Russia) can’t (or don’t want) to do the damn thing, I don’t know how far-sighted our politicians are

          S-300 can stop the aggressor’s plans to invade Syria [т]

          Russian S-300 air defense systems could stop US plans to invade Syria if they are in Syria or 24 hours from it. At the same time, the Syrian army is trained to use them.


          http://telegrafist.org/2013/08/27/81790/

          To beat or not to beat ?!
          That is the question....
          1. Gur
            Gur 28 August 2013 07: 43
            0
            The Russian fleet, the Chinese army, the Iranian army could stop the aggression in Syria, this is a much more real thing than the S-300, which is either there or not in Syria, and whether the Syrians can use them. (Moreover, these armies should already be on Syria)
      2. marc
        marc 27 August 2013 14: 01
        -5
        Do you believe that the market sets the price of oil? Naively, the United States sets it, as soon as we look askance at the price of oil drops to 6 bucks, that is how the USSR collapsed.
        1. ksan
          ksan 27 August 2013 19: 40
          +1
          marc SU Today, 14:01 ↑

          Do you believe that the market sets the price of oil? Naively, the United States sets it, as soon as we look askance at the price of oil drops to 6 bucks, that is how the USSR collapsed.
          Always amazed how people want to show their stupidity to the whole world. This is what a new fashion or "trend of the times" - LOOK at me and be sure to announce this on some forum or post your moronic act on You Tube, and with sincere joyful comments.
          1. marc
            marc 27 August 2013 20: 14
            -1
            Everything is in order with your head, I express my opinion and rely on my experience and the books I have read, and if it really hurts my eyes, then do not read, you are still wearing pink glasses.
            1. ksan
              ksan 27 August 2013 22: 07
              +2
              marc SU Today, 20:14 ↑

              Everything is in order with your head, I express my opinion and rely on my experience and the books I read, and if it really hurts my eyes, don’t read, you’re still wearing pink glasses
              In what "book" did you read that the US sets the price of oil? smile Yes, and it says in this "book" how the US will lower oil to 6 dollars? smile My advice to you, throw this stupid book
              1. V. Salama
                V. Salama 28 August 2013 11: 10
                +1
                Quote: ksan
                In what "book" did you read that the US sets the price of oil?
                In general, books are useful to read, you can watch the corresponding programs on TV if you are too lazy to understand. If you don't like the term US, then use the term CIA or "world behind the scenes". And so, there are also specific persons who organized this economic sabotage with the aim of the collapse of the USSR, when the oil price was artificially lowered from $ 110 in 1979 to $ 19 in 1990. Our losses from this amounted to about $ 800 billion, about $ 20 billion from the anti-alcohol company ... This led to the collapse.
                Nobody denies that the leadership is stupid and corrupt. The analysis is always assumed to be comprehensive, at least it must be remembered that any cataclysm always has several reasons (a consequence of systemic concepts of processes). You have to be kinder to your opponents.

                Quote: ksan
                My advice to you is throw this stupid book away
                This is really stupid advice. Books need to be read more ... Anecdote to the topic:
                To constantly sit on social networks and be proud that you don’t watch TV is the same as sitting on a heroine and be proud of not drinking.
        2. ksan
          ksan 27 August 2013 22: 20
          +3
          marc SU Today, 14:01 ↑

          Do you believe that the market sets the price of oil? Naively, the United States sets it, as soon as we look askance at the price of oil drops to 6 bucks, that is how the USSR collapsed.
          Yes, I’ll add: the USSR - not the price of oil collapsed, but its own stupid, not competent in economics and corrupt management. And blaming himself for external circumstances is destiny of ALL mediocre, brainless and corrupt executives to at least somehow justify his worthlessgoverning body. Yes, but the "book" is still thrown away smile
      3. vaddag1
        vaddag1 27 August 2013 14: 04
        10
        "but a lot is true, unfortunately" - and what a lot? which of the following can force us to change our position towards Syria? boycott of the Olympics - we will fall more in the eyes of the world, if because of this we lie down to the west, but the resort city has been put in order, the athletes have plenty of space. fall in oil prices or decrease in economy. growth - so we do not spend much on Syria, but the empire can no longer afford to bend because of economic difficulties in the future, because then there is no sense in it, difficulties are our lifestyle. not calm in the Caucasus - since the collapse of the USSR, we are strangling reptiles systematically - a gorgeous experience. The flood in the Far East is nonsense, the damage is tolerable, there are no casualties, the country has not abandoned - compensation is paid, the children have left the country. and most importantly, no panic, all services worked, the people were calm. information from the original source - I am from Birobidzhan (EAO)
      4. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 27 August 2013 14: 30
        -5
        I liked the article, +. A very sane look at the situation in Russia and the world. Of course, the author’s view does not coincide with the information picture of the media surrounding reality, which explains the large number of minuscule. It will be difficult to switch to a critical perception of information flows. Moreover, it is presented in a very fragmented way - so that a person does not have an integral picture of the world.
        ShturmKGB
        Water in the Far East began to decline, oil prices could rise, and sharply

        Here it is a determining factor in the success of the Russian economy! look at the root! hi
        1. vaddag1
          vaddag1 27 August 2013 14: 50
          +6
          Dear S_mirnov, the situation in the country is not a fountain and never will be (we are adults - we see and evaluate the situation), but 3 questions:
          when was it better (but worse)?
          Is this a reason to lose dignity as a state?
          is it better to feel humiliated, but "full" or with a feeling of slight "hunger", but with your head held high?
          ps everyone makes his own choice
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 27 August 2013 17: 03
            +7
            Quote: vaddag1
            when was it better (but worse)?

            It was better under the USSR. At least to the working people. And the nomenclature is better now!
            Quote: vaddag1
            Is this a reason to lose dignity as a state?

            Dignity - it was in the USSR, now we are more likely to have a good mine with a bad game! It is difficult to maintain dignity with poorly qualified and ineffective leadership of the country. Moreover, with the destroyed Soviet system of values, attempts to replace it with the ruling elite by a neoliberal one in the Russian Federation failed, except perhaps for religions - they bloom in a violent color and of different faiths ... (oh, I almost insulted the feelings of believers), here I’m closely watching Romanov wink .
            Quote: vaddag1
            is it better to feel humiliated, but "full" or with a feeling of slight "hunger", but with your head held high?

            As for me, with such a choice, so hungry and proud! Now many people feel relatively full, stable. In my opinion, this was achieved by selling minerals and eating up the remnants of the USSR (state reserve, strategic uranium reserves, etc.). Many bought on a used foreign car, apartment and cottage in private ownership (the Chubbays case lives sad ).
            Quote: vaddag1
            ps everyone makes his own choice

            This is a point, but we will rake the consequences together, who will remain in Russia, many top-level statesmen have already taken their children abroad.
            1. vaddag1
              vaddag1 27 August 2013 17: 42
              +1
              "It was better under the USSR" - the people as a whole, the problem is in the implementation of individual wishes. USSR - badly or well, you cannot answer unequivocally, ideally a compromise, but this does not happen to a campaign.

              "Dignity - it was in the USSR, now we have rather a good mine with a bad game" - undoubtedly, the USSR deserved it. Now it's the turn of the RF to deserve it, of which we are witnesses, the people have remained the same.

              "As for me, with such a choice, so hungry and proud!" - no comments +.

              "they have already taken their children abroad" - I consider it a plus, the nation is being cleansed.

              ps I don’t discuss the government, because it’s better not anyway.
              1. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 27 August 2013 18: 05
                +3
                Quote: vaddag1
                Now it’s the turn to deserve it from the Russian Federation, of which we are witnesses; the people have remained the same.

                The people are the same, but the leaders are very different! It is worth distinguishing between the leaders of the heyday of the USSR, the decline and modern leaders (after the collapse of the USSR and to this day).
                Quote: vaddag1
                have already taken their children abroad "- I think it's a plus, the nation is being cleansed.

                The price of cleansing is too expensive, children are taken out together with the money that was stolen from the country, and secondly, children abroad are a powerful lever of influence on our officials.
                Quote: vaddag1
                ps I don’t discuss the government, because it’s better not anyway.

                Because no! There is no feedback People-government! There is only a government-people!
            2. ksan
              ksan 27 August 2013 23: 39
              0
              Dignity - it was in the USSR, now we are more likely to have a good mine with a bad game! It is difficult to maintain dignity with poorly qualified and ineffective leadership of the country. Especially with the destroyed Soviet system
              Dear Alexander, that you are constantly you want their homeland. Doesn't Putin represent Russia with dignity? Or is it not the "low-skilled and ineffective leaders" of the USSR collapsed country? And it’s not so bad in Russia. The USSR was undoubtedly a great power, but "the one who does not regret the collapse of the USSR has no heart, and the one who thinks that it can be returned has no mind"said one smart man. You need to wipe the snot and move on.
      5. Revolver
        Revolver 27 August 2013 19: 19
        +4
        Yes, knocking off Assad is not a big problem, bombing him with taste, and the "fighters for freedom and crap" will sort it out. Neither Russia nor China have anything in the region that they could oppose to democratizers, and there is no opportunity to transfer anything serious there either, and it should get involved in the war against NATO because of Assad? Iran, of course, can rock the boat, but it will rage and shut up.
        But what will happen the next morning after Assad is solemnly hanged to the cries of "Alla, I'm going to the bar!"? It seems that if you ask Kerry or even Barack Hussein Obama himself, there will be no intelligible answer. Duty phrases about freedom, crap, expression of will, and what else is politically correct there only for press conferences. But in fact, al-Qaedastan is formed there, and the stench will be on the whole region and beyond everywhere. What happens after the crap democratization of the Arab-Islamic countries has already been seen in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. But shit-mongers still itch. Well, when will they already understand that democracy is not an end in itself but a means, and, moreover, NOT universal? fool
        1. ksan
          ksan 27 August 2013 20: 16
          +2
          What happens after the crappy democratization of the Arab-Islamic countries, have already seen enough in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. But the shit-democrats still get nasty. Well, when will they already understand that democracy is not an end in itself but a means, and moreover, NOT universal?
          Do you seriously think that "the most democratic country in the world" Concerned about the democratization of the world? laughing Well, why not at the same time demolish the monarchy of the Persian Gulf? They have clearly huge problems with democracy and human rights. Or are you at least somehow trying to whitewash your NEW MOTHERLAND, which in its essence is a terrorist state, an aggressor state, a world gendarme who beats everyone he doesn’t like with his club. What kind of democracy are you talking about - for the last 24 years the USA bombed and overthrew the SAMI regimes or under their leadership 7 states Just because they did not live as America wanted. Is it a democracy? wassat
        2. Gur
          Gur 28 August 2013 07: 51
          0
          I don’t know if this is your flag or glitch, only the amers think for some reason all the time for us and China, whether we have interests in this region or not. And increasingly, they decide that we do not have these interests, neither in Libya, nor in Iraq, nor in Syria, etc., around the world. And interestingly, the amers seem to have no interests in these countries, how they are trying to show us this more intensely, and this is only a matter of democracy and justice (even though there is oil)
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 28 August 2013 21: 48
            0
            Quote: GUR
            I don’t know if this is your flag or glitch

            My flag. Of course, I could hide in the element behind the red Soviet flag, just mark the business as "native of the USSR" in the settings, but I think it's dishonorable.
      6. Drednout
        Drednout 27 August 2013 21: 26
        +1
        Wait and see.
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 27 August 2013 12: 14
      +7
      Where is the hamster - is there a hamster ??? AAAAAA! I have paranoia ... wassat

      Guys, comrades - hamsters! Really, well enough already! Well, really, I'm tired of hearing your moans and nagging ... You either bring down where you think is good, or work and enjoy life in the country in which you were born!
      1. Yura
        Yura 27 August 2013 12: 59
        16
        Quote: LaGlobal
        You either bring down where you think is good, or work and enjoy life in the country in which you were born!

        And in truth eadolbali. The article is not even an opinion, but just a battering ram on our psyche. During the war, the Germans scattered leaflets with the text that began like this: "Rus surrender ....", very much like this article. Don't wait !!! am
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 27 August 2013 13: 01
          +1
          Quote: Jura
          "Rus give up ....", very much like this article. Don't wait !!!


          - yeah ...
      2. polly
        polly 27 August 2013 13: 52
        +4
        Yes, they will not knock anywhere from their "workplace"! It is here that their owners need them to bark, and there in fig?
    5. Shurik34RF
      Shurik34RF 27 August 2013 14: 54
      +1
      Where do they come from, such -analysts-
    6. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 27 August 2013 15: 44
      +2
      Article should be called "Arrived" request
    7. an_ursus
      an_ursus 27 August 2013 15: 44
      +2
      It seems so ...
    8. artemiy
      artemiy 27 August 2013 16: 12
      +1
      The article corresponds to the title "removal of the brain through the intestines of the mediterranean sea, and the anuses of the united states, turkey, england and hedgehogs with them"
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 27 August 2013 17: 18
        +5
        Quote: artemiy
        The article corresponds to the title "removal of the brain through the intestines

        Calm down, you have a normal reaction! Just a brain drugged by the media, it tries to match reality with the previously introduced world perception matrix. Remember how in the movie "The Matrix" the hero Neo felt sick after coming out of the cocoon? Still the majority of Russian people are still in "cocoons", where they were wrapped up since the collapse of the USSR. Those who woke up are caught on Navalny, etc. typists (this is the second line of defense of the system). And those who do not believe not Navlny, not GDP, the system does not recognize as reality, and forcibly classifies them into one of the camps (either GDP or the State Department - there are no other options!). If you are in doubt for whom you are, contact Romanov, he will help you decide, a very prominent sorting specialist, with shoulder straps, certified! wink
    9. KOMPLEKT
      KOMPLEKT 27 August 2013 19: 54
      -2
      An exemplary view of the situation of an Israeli citizen. Yes, not a glance, but a manual for describing the situation for "professional" bloggers.
      But there is one small nuance. This is practically the last but one step before sending Vovka Putkina along with his St. Petersburg codla in the footsteps of Saddam Hussein and it seems like it has already reached not only Vovoka, but also a significant part of his thieving encirclement.
      So, everything should be much more interesting, and not only in Syria, but we also all lead to the situation - "who is not with us is against us" (possibly Kerimov's convulsions from this opera-foreshadows the fate of Bilalov and) Amirov.
      I think and hope that a fortunate little girl will have to go to the forced feat and save Syria and its citizens.
      1. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 27 August 2013 21: 14
        +2
        Have you replaced prudence with shoulder straps? After all, it is Our children, our Future, who will pay with their lives for Assad, who did not even deign to declare martial law in his country, allows his capable citizens to flee "beyond the cordon", and our children should protect this figure ... "Wonderful your works, Lord! "
        1. alone
          alone 27 August 2013 22: 18
          +2
          Yes, what prudence, dear? you read on neighboring topics that

          Quote: dmit-52
          Have you replaced prudence with shoulder straps? After all, it is Our children, our Future, who will pay with their lives for Assad, who did not even deign to declare martial law in his country, allows his capable citizens to flee "beyond the cordon", and our children should protect this figure ... "Wonderful your works, Lord! "


          Yes, what prudence, dear? you read what’s happening on neighboring topics. people have lost their minds so much that they are proposing to destroy the world. Do you think those who say here about sending troops there will go there themselves or send their children there?)))) they say build this Kremlin.
      2. hommer
        hommer 27 August 2013 22: 29
        +1
        Quote: KOMPLEKT
        An exemplary look at the situation of an Israeli citizen.

        Quote: KOMPLEKT
        I think and hope that a fortunate little girl will have to go to the forced feat and save Syria and its citizens.


        Really, you shouldn’t troll so frankly. Forced exploits do not happen.
        The situation is oh so ambiguous - "In the Washington looking glass there is information that the chemical attack in Syria is a joint project of Israel and Saudi Arabia. This became known in circles close to the president. This provoked an angry reaction from President Obama, and now he feels ambushed by Netanyahu. Given the very specific relationship between Netanyahu and Obama, and Israel's constant attempts to force the US to "bomb Iran", one can understand the indignation of the US president. " - http://contrpost.com/ru/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3319-ot-skoree-net-chem-da-nazad-
        k-vryad-li
        So it is possible that a feat is not needed.
    10. Suhov
      Suhov 27 August 2013 22: 54
      +1
      Do not judge strictly "messenger" (derived from the word "drives") Vlada Pecherinawassat, for the bad news ...
      he was not sent for vodka anyway ... laughing

      And now essentially:
      The author - on a journey! Erotic!
      yes
    11. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 August 2013 00: 57
      0
      Quote: kot11180
      until I read to the end, I thought Chubais wrote an article, or Navalny


      Author, article, respectively, nonsense. Something often here such opuses began to appear.
    12. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 August 2013 19: 52
      +1
      Quote: kot11180
      until I read to the end, I thought Chubais wrote an article, or Navalny

      The style is rat, the logic of a jackal, and the main idea is that the Yankees are invincible rulers of the world, hurry up to lick Uncle Sam's puffy striped, flogged ass, otherwise he will unleash his army of corpse-eaters, led by the shameful "peacemaker" and laureate Obamka.
      If the dog had a conscience, she would put on her pants, and if Obamysh had a conscience he would hang himself, the shameful jackal, the killer of women and children.
  2. Kipish
    Kipish 27 August 2013 10: 14
    24
    "that Russia is approaching a recession"
    You definitely are not confused with the USA?
    Russia does not live on credit, on the contrary it owes a lot.
    Article minus, turned the head over his head.

    Best regards
    1. Laserson
      Laserson 27 August 2013 10: 20
      16
      But in some ways the author is right - no one lends to us in such volumes as the United States. And no one will ever ask these debts from them, because in this case, the United States will collapse, and behind them the whole world tied to dollars.
      1. Kipish
        Kipish 27 August 2013 10: 40
        +4
        "And no one will ever ask these debts from them"
        Sure?

        After all, if you look at it from a different angle:
        For example, the United States has pressed one of the largest creditor under the "best of all", he has some way out: to throw all the debts on the market, there is hardly a buyer for that amount, but they cannot buy themselves, because they have nothing but bucks.
        The result will collapse the dollar for the most indulge and take off almost the entire market, but it will hurt everyone, but then the United States will definitely not be up to this crydetor.

        With respect
      2. Nick
        Nick 27 August 2013 11: 25
        0
        Quote: Laserson
        And no one will ever ask these debts from them, because in this case, the United States will collapse, and behind them the whole world tied to dollars.

        Horror without end ...
      3. Essenger
        Essenger 27 August 2013 12: 28
        +3
        Quote: Laserson
        But in some ways the author is right - no one lends to us in such volumes as the United States. And no one will ever ask these debts from them, because in this case, the United States will collapse,

        US loans are long-term and 2% of GDP annually go to their services. Dreaming is not harmful of course, but you need to really look at the situation.
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 27 August 2013 12: 36
          +2
          Quote: Essenger
          US loans are long-term and 2% of GDP annually go to their services.

          Do you think 2% of GDP is not enough?
          Debt service today eats up almost all of the growth.
          By the way ...
          By mid-October, the United States faces default on debt if the government does not vote to increase the federal limit. Also, in order not to harm the country's economy in the coming month, the White House and Congress will have to find a compromise on tax and budget policy.

          Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew warned the Speaker of the House of Representatives in a letter. According to the Minister’s calculations, the US government will exhaust the resources necessary for fulfilling financial obligations already this fall. He called on lawmakers to pass a bill to increase the ceiling of public debt by the deadline. The same recommendations are made by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). Otherwise, the US will face default on debt obligations.

          http://www.dni.ru/economy/2013/8/27/258819.html
      4. Yura
        Yura 27 August 2013 12: 49
        +5
        Quote: Laserson
        But in some ways the author is right - no one lends to us in such volumes as the United States.

        Why do you need loans to Russia, can you explain to me?
        Quote: Laserson
        And no one will ever ask these debts from them, because in this case, the United States will collapse, and behind them the whole world tied to dollars.

        Regardless of whether they are asked to debts from them or not the United States will collapse, it will be enough that countries and people will stop changing their currencies to dollars. The process is already underway, and military operations against Syria, again, regardless of in whose favor the result will be, will only accelerate it.
      5. dmit-xnumx
        dmit-xnumx 27 August 2013 21: 29
        +3
        So what? Well, the dollar will collapse, are we with you, what, do we eat dollars? No, with our daily bread bought for our rubles. Was the Kingdom of Egypt, rich, mighty, was the Great Rome, rich, mighty - saved their wealth from destruction? And the other Assyrians, the great ports, have all sunk into history (which teaches geography). And our long-suffering Russia more than once had to be reborn from the ashes and Troubles. And Great Russia will live as long as the Russian Spirit is alive, which our sworn "friends" are trying to replace with Mamon.
    2. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 27 August 2013 18: 12
      +3
      Quote: Kipish
      "that Russia is approaching a recession"
      You definitely are not confused with the USA?

      No, the author does not confuse, there is simply a direct indication of the GDP not to mention the recession and even its possibility, in the media!
      Otherwise, the rise in oil and gas prices will quickly change the situation!
      1. ksan
        ksan 27 August 2013 22: 00
        0
        S_mirnov (3) SU Today, 18:12 PM ↑

        Quote: Kipish
        "that Russia is approaching a recession"
        You definitely are not confused with the USA?

        No, the author does not confuse, there is simply a direct indication of the GDP not to mention the recession and even its possibility, in the media!
        Who told you this? wink Is it really a secret? smile
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 27 August 2013 22: 25
          +1
          Word of mouth of course! On the government website, you can not look for this decree! wink
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  4. Guun
    Guun 27 August 2013 10: 19
    +7
    I will write one thing - time will tell, and then we will resent or rejoice.
    1. Nick
      Nick 27 August 2013 11: 35
      +3
      Quote: Guun
      I will write one thing - time will tell, and then we will resent or rejoice.

      Exactly. If the West unleashes aggression against Syria, the World will come to a bifurcation point and then everything is possible ... any forecast, even the most improbable, can come true. It is impossible to calculate everything with a 100% probability, there are too many factors influencing events IMHO ...
  5. S-200
    S-200 27 August 2013 10: 20
    +8
    The hand of Mossad is felt ... driving this greyhound! negative
    1. ksan
      ksan 27 August 2013 23: 12
      -1
      S-200 (2) SU Today, 10:20 AM

      The hand of Mossad is felt ... driving this greyhound!
      5 +++ This is where the "wind blows" bully
  6. 128mgb
    128mgb 27 August 2013 10: 21
    14
    Quote: kot11180
    until I read to the end, I thought Chubais wrote an article, or Navalny

    And the style reminds me more of Syria’s neighbors.
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 27 August 2013 10: 42
      +8
      Yeah, I also immediately thought about the Jews)
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 27 August 2013 12: 19
        +3
        Quote: Kipish
        Yeah, I also immediately thought about the Jews)

        Well, like: "But who needs it besides Assad? It is not beneficial to anyone. And Iran will find another reason to growl at Israel ..." They wrote a hundred poods.
      2. netvosode
        netvosode 27 August 2013 12: 19
        -4
        you are amazed at the level of most of the comments, grade 3-4 of a secondary school, advice of "cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity" ...
        a sober and pragmatic article, on the whole, reflects the real state of affairs ... no matter how sad it may be for us ... nothing is real yet to this provocation and the aggression following it, neither the RF, nor the PRC, let alone the IRI, are unable to oppose , and none of its allies will aggravate the situation in the world because of the SAR to some kind of "red" line, there is no pragmatic point in shaking the boat now, neither for us, nor for them (NATO), so that Syria will be sacrificed cynically and shamelessly, sorry for people ...
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 27 August 2013 13: 01
          +4
          Quote: netvosode
          you are amazed at the level of most of the comments, grade 3-4 of a secondary school, advice of "cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity" ...
          a sober and pragmatic article, in general, reflects the real state of things ... however sad it may be ...

          Yes, if everyone always thought so “wisely” and “pragmatically” like you, then Russia would now be no bigger than Luxembourg, if it ever existed. So "graduate student", think good.
        2. Veles25
          Veles25 27 August 2013 14: 15
          -2
          people live in fantasy
          1. dmit-xnumx
            dmit-xnumx 27 August 2013 21: 39
            -1
            It is true, "people live in fantasy", people live in fantasy, and this "fantasy", which you used at best in an ironic sense, helped people build our civilization with you, in which they reached the bottom of the Mariana Trench, ascended into space, curbed atomic energy, etc. ..
  7. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 August 2013 10: 21
    14
    The article is a bold minus. Many have tried to live by the principle: "my house is on the edge." But not everyone succeeded.
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 27 August 2013 16: 19
      -1
      In a Russian fairy tale, the author of these words choked with kissel!
  8. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 27 August 2013 10: 21
    -2
    In general, everything is correct. You can fantasize as much as you like about Russian weapons, Iranian soldiers and other ideas from the books in the "Combat Science Fiction" section. Lavrov's statement about Russia's unwillingness to fight for Syria only confirms our bluff (which is already known to everyone). And the unwillingness of the United States to talk with the Russian Federation about the situation with the use of weapons shows our real place in world politics. Russia does not have effective tools to influence the situation. If the USA wants to click on the forehead of the leader of a third-rate country, they will. And no one, and nothing is not a decree to them.
    If someone at Assad really launched combat weapons in a situation of balancing victory and defeat, then the Syrian leadership deserves to be "demolished".
    1. Laserson
      Laserson 27 August 2013 10: 26
      13
      The maximum we can do is veto resolutions at the UN. Even the contract for the S-300 for Syria, and he was very reprimanded. I do not understand these empty air shakes about the support of Syria by Russia, but at least they could have harnessed themselves to Tartus
      1. Alexei
        Alexei 27 August 2013 12: 57
        -1
        Quote: Laserson
        Even the contract for C-300 for Syria, and he was reprimanded

        Put off, you wanted to say? It seems to me that it would be stupid to conduct them now with your specialists for staff training. It’s easier to take the Syrians to study with you, and only then, in March, to transport everything on a warship there. How do you like it? And then - what will happen. request
    2. serge-68-68
      serge-68-68 27 August 2013 13: 40
      -4
      I’ll add the latest news: the size of the click on the nose is determined: a couple of days of missile attacks (sort of like aboard a naval group of up to 300 Tomahawks ...)
    3. nbw
      nbw 27 August 2013 19: 44
      0
      If someone at Assad really launched combat weapons in a situation of balancing victory and defeat, then the Syrian leadership deserves to be "demolished".


      You are either stupid, dumb, or pro-American liberal (yes, I stick a label). Fu to be like that.
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  10. Kadet_KRAK
    Kadet_KRAK 27 August 2013 10: 22
    24
    The author in a way considers himself smarter than ASADA. I agree to be smarter at the keyboard easier and simpler - you don’t have to answer for the fate of the state.
    1. Luger
      Luger 27 August 2013 11: 18
      +6
      I agree with you 100%! as it is sung in one song: "We are all heroes in films about the war," or, in short, in Russian, do not roll bags. In general, the author somehow, in my opinion, slashed off the shoulder accusing Assad not of foresight and narrow-mindedness. Author! you are not in the place of Assad, of course it is easy for you to argue, I would have looked at how you reasoned when, for two years now, they not only WANT to kill, but also DO it very actively. And now, in general, Assad probably has an understanding that he has not long left to live in this world, honestly ... scary
  11. Laserson
    Laserson 27 August 2013 10: 23
    +7
    For me, the darkest version is described here. China, too, must understand that its power is like a bone in the throat of a certain group of countries. Yes, now they are trading partners, and what will happen tomorrow - no one will say. Moreover, production has slowly begun to be withdrawn from China back to the producing countries. The attack on Iran is a direct threat to the growth of China, which imports oil from there. Oh, how they will respond to this - no one will say ...
  12. Rus2012
    Rus2012 27 August 2013 10: 24
    18
    Russia is one of the ten US lenders.

    ...no longer!

    In fact, America and their president need to understand that when giving an order to their troops, they press that very red button ("red mushroom"), which automatically launches unstoppable processes against themselves ...
    Translating into understandable language, as the knowledgeable say - in response to the US attack, the Russians will introduce a "Special Period" with all their forces on full alert, with all the ensuing consequences ...

    There will be no return!
    Putin will not give up ...

    quote:
    “The US plan, in this case, is still to put pressure on Russia, but since there are no other levers, then the possibility of exerting indirect pressure through the events in Syria, into which Putin has grabbed a stranglehold, is being considered. in Syria, with an eye on Russia, now they are going to bomb, but they are still waiting for a signal from Russia. What kind of signal could it be? Obama wants Putin's more dependence and, in fact, is blackmailing Putin with military actions in Syria. It is strange that no one from Obama's entourage tells him that You can’t blackmail Putin. Remember Nordost and Beslan, those people also blackmailed Putin, is there at least one of them alive? Putin simply cannot retreat in front of the whole world. So, wait for surprises, this guy has a fair amount of them."
    отсюда - http://contrpost.com/en/78-2013-05-10-13-45-19/3318-rezkoe-obostrenie-v-sirii
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 27 August 2013 12: 36
      0
      Give GOD if this is so !!!
  13. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 August 2013 10: 24
    31
    Some points of the article are correct, but its main abomination is decadence and hopelessness, they say, sit and do not blather. Soft power she is.
    1. Laserson
      Laserson 27 August 2013 10: 27
      +7
      And what real leverage do we have at the moment?
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 August 2013 10: 59
        +3
        Quote: Laserson
        And what real leverage do we have at the moment?

        I repeat again:
        Quote: Vladimirets
        its main abomination is decadence and hopelessness

        Despondency is generally a sin, hatred, of course, is not much better. But hiding under the bed and smearing snot on the cheeks is not an option at all. We can’t fight directly with the West, although we would like to draw us into the war for many of the bumps over the hill. I see Assad’s arms deliveries as the most effective means, and nobody canceled the political struggle.
        1. berimor
          berimor 27 August 2013 11: 58
          +7
          Unfortunately, it’s too late to drink the barge, when the kidneys have refused. Even if Russia finally decides to put the S-300 in the FULL volume necessary to repel an air strike, then there is no time. And knowing the mess that is happening now in Syria, is the creation of a new modern air defense system of the country under great?.
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 27 August 2013 12: 56
            0
            Quote: berimor
            Unfortunately, it’s too late to drink the barge, when the kidneys have refused. Even if Russia finally decides to put the S-300 in the FULL volume necessary to repel an air strike, then there is no time


            And where is such confidence that the C300 does not live in Syria, let’s say, I haven’t met with unambiguous answers to this question. Both from Putin and Assad’s sides, only streamlined formulations were heard, which can be interpreted differently, and Russia set the s-300 or not, it can definitely be said only after the outbreak of hostilities.
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 August 2013 13: 02
            +3
            Quote: berimor
            Even if Russia finally decides to put the S-300 in the FULL volume necessary to repel an air strike, then there is no time

            Why did everyone cling to this S-300? Is there no other weapon? Assad and small arms, and ammunition and much more is needed. The S-300 is not a panacea, a pair of divisions will not decide anything, in the end they will be finished off with tomahawks in any version. Too much power against Syria. But to fight, even after suppressing the infrastructure from the air, it will still be necessary and most importantly, so that is what.
          3. ksan
            ksan 27 August 2013 23: 04
            0
            Unfortunately, it’s too late to drink the barge, when the kidneys have refused. Even if Russia finally decides to put the S-300 in the FULL volume necessary to repel an air strike, then there is no time.
            Syria would have collapsed long ago on its own, without the help of Russia, China and Iran, and why should it collapse after the US air strikes? And who can say what is and what is not from weapons in Syria? No need to panic, "the kidneys have not failed." And I am sure that it is too early to put an end to Syria.
      2. ivshubarin
        ivshubarin 27 August 2013 14: 00
        +3
        Under the USSR, too many wars were unleashed, but there was enough leverage that the war would not seem like a walk to the States.
    2. Zhylaw
      Zhylaw 27 August 2013 10: 41
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Soft power she is.


      The soft power of the soft wrist has been destroying the world for many years.
      I think that this time someone should be at a high level, not Lavrov, perhaps Putin himself should go out and publicly say, Mr. Obama, you are a liar.
      And then list all those lies of the USA, starting with the Tonkinsky incident angry
    3. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 27 August 2013 22: 17
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Soft power she is.

      A member is ... but soft.
  14. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross 27 August 2013 10: 28
    -1
    And you are a writer, not a chance by chance ??? !!!
  15. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 August 2013 10: 34
    +2
    Oh, well, just like in the "geopolitical mosaic" Implications for the UK and France- the consequences are the same - the war on the territory of the above-mentioned state-TV. Oh understand, but it will be too late ... hi
  16. niksup
    niksup 27 August 2013 10: 34
    +1
    Soon everything will become clear who will react. And I hope that the Kremlin will not stand aside
  17. maxcor1974
    maxcor1974 27 August 2013 10: 36
    +8
    What kind of miscarriage is the State Department-Vlad Pecherin? Where did this luminary of analysts crawl out of? I wonder how much these trolls are paid now? As usual thirty?
  18. kostik1301
    kostik1301 27 August 2013 10: 36
    -2
    If the Kremlin does not intervene, then Vova is waiting for Gaddafi’s fate ......
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 27 August 2013 14: 03
      +5
      Compare x with a finger. We have nuclear weapons
  19. buzuke
    buzuke 27 August 2013 10: 37
    0
    oh these kitchen analysts to me ... as always smarter than everyone
  20. Isk1984
    Isk1984 27 August 2013 10: 37
    14
    The fact of the matter is that we all love the Motherland and remember the great heritage of the USSR, even if the author is a zealot, liberal, Mosadist, but with gritting teeth one has to objectively admit his arguments are true in the current situation, and our country is tied, with Western countries, economically and politically, our elite has not been ours for a long time, and for the sake of Syria they will not risk their children studying there, the real estate they bought is not the only one million .... Until the authorities in our country really protect national interests, such articles are gloomy, hopeless will have reason to correspond to the reality of the current day ...
    The revival of our fleet and army will give us the right to an independent foreign policy, it remains only to find political will ..
    1. vaddag1
      vaddag1 27 August 2013 15: 31
      +3
      "objectively recognize his arguments as correct in the current situation" - damn it! yes, everything is correct, BUT history says that we can do anything, when it seems that already everything.
      the third month of the Second World War - agricultural. and the industrial part of the country is lost, the regular army died or is fighting in the encirclement, according to the logic, nothing could save us - the result, Germany is just part of Europe, and we live in a big country.
      "and for the sake of Syria they will not risk" - yes, we would not physically stick for Syria, even if the USSR remained - not our method, we have no legal or moral obligations for this.
      1. Isk1984
        Isk1984 27 August 2013 18: 20
        +2
        Under the Soviet Union, the United States would never have dared to threaten Syria, the USSR Foreign Ministry would have quickly explained everything to the US Ambassador in words, And for clarity, our operational group of the Navy actually demonstrated "friendly" intentions, In the Great Patriotic War it is impossible to compare, then the leadership in the country had a truly iron will and decisiveness to bring the matter to the end, our today's pygmies themselves do not know where our galley is sailing ...
  21. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 27 August 2013 10: 39
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Soft power she is.

    So after all, concrete is still interfering, liquid and ugly, and after it hardens ...
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  23. Hleb
    Hleb 27 August 2013 10: 42
    0
    straight mood lifted. Vlad please write more!
  24. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 August 2013 10: 46
    13
    Quote: Laserson
    And what real leverage do we have at the moment?


    To declare to the whole world about the resumption of nuclear tests. While - on its territory (as France once did under the howl of the world community). Firstly, such a cunning trick with the ears will divert attention from Syria, and will unequivocally make it clear that if Russia has not shown "Kuzkin's mother" to the world for a long time, this does not mean at all that it does not exist and the threat of "foot fungus" is just a myth. ...
    Secondly, it will make you think for what it was done for, what a hint, and to whom.
    We don’t need to be afraid in this place - scared. The North Korean leader scared half the world with a promise to put rockets on the launch pad. And nothing: alive and well, which he also wants.
    Next - to assemble the Russian squadron more powerful and send to Tartus. Not to fight, but to be present. We have the right, exactly the same as the Yankees, and French, and Saxons.
    We will not attack them first, but we will not allow ourselves to be squeezed out either. An additional argument - if anything - blame yourself, not we were the first to start it. There are no fools there either, and they should understand that in the event of a threat to Russian warships (even if our fleet in that region will actually be weaker), a nuclear fungus can grow anywhere.
    The answer to the frequently asked question here: "Do we need to quarrel with other influential countries over Syria?" I would advise you to look for the other side - a participant in the conflict. Namely - to countries, two thirds of the population of which are against a new war in the region.
    The main thing is political will. If we do not show it now, tomorrow friends will turn our backs on us, the enemies will continue to wipe our feet, and our own population will be disappointed in the ability of the authorities to really influence something, and not just puff out their cheeks.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 27 August 2013 12: 34
      +7
      Quote: Stiletto
      The answer to the frequently asked question here: "Do we need to quarrel with other influential countries over Syria?"

      Yes, it’s not Syria’s business, but INTERNATIONAL LAW, THE MAIN THING, you must defend it ... It’s not only Syria’s right, it’s the right of everyone! By any means, even if you have to go to the edge of the line ... and cross it!
      Quote: Stiletto
      The main thing is political will. If we do not show it now, tomorrow friends will turn our backs on us, the enemies will continue to wipe our feet, and our own population will be disappointed in the ability of the authorities to really influence something, and not just puff out their cheeks.

      These are just the flowers of the consequences ...
      "Find a scythe on a stone"?
  25. dimon-media
    dimon-media 27 August 2013 10: 47
    +4
    The article is somehow anti-Russian, inclines to a negative mood. You can’t live like that, author. Where is the positive? Even thoughts come that this is the order of the opposition.
  26. erased
    erased 27 August 2013 10: 54
    +8
    In general, the author is right. But only from one point of view. And there are a lot of them. And how it will come out until no one knows. Forecasts are so called because they do not have 100% probability. However, if it breaks out in Syria, something on this planet will change ...
  27. sigdoc
    sigdoc 27 August 2013 10: 56
    +7
    Americans can win, but the price of this victory can greatly dislike them.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 27 August 2013 14: 06
      0
      Maybe they will win, but it will be their last war
  28. nokki
    nokki 27 August 2013 10: 57
    27
    Quote: Kipish
    Article minus, turned the head over his head.


    Where the "legs" of this article grow from is clear from this quote: "In Beslan, the color of the Alpha group was knocked out in ten minutes ..." The author could not have known that Alfovians. contrary to all Statutes, they climbed under bullets, pulling out children and pushing off distraught parents. At the very least, such a statement is blasphemy!

    As for the author's confidence in America's impunity and omnipotence, he forgets one thing: sooner or later, America and Russia will face a nuclear conflict. It is inevitable, like the sunrise. I'm just sure that if we "surrender" Assad, then literally this year a blow will be struck at us. Now the "dress rehearsal" is planned. The same was the case with Hitler. Impunity - inspires crazy deeds.

    What to do. Aside from all the talk about the Olympics and championships: we are talking about the survival of Russia! Immediately enter the "Military Danger" level of combat readiness in the troops. To push our nuclear submarines into the areas of concentration of American aircraft carrier groups, etc. In the next few hours, "convince" Assad of the need to bring a limited Russian contingent into Syria.

    If we do not, then tomorrow the NATO will be in Central Asia and Ukraine. We will not be able to rest and rest. And the people, I think, will understand. Not everyone wants to live (as an author) under the NATO occupation.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 27 August 2013 11: 16
      +3
      Quote: nokki
      e. In the next few hours, "convince" Assad of the need to send a limited Russian contingent to Syria.

      It would probably be wise to transfer powers to store chemical weapons to Russia. It is necessary to climb into the war itself, but purely control.
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 27 August 2013 11: 48
      +2
      Quote: nokki
      We will not be able to rest and rest.
      Yes, this is the cruel truth. Let's save with Syria, tomorrow there will be Iran, and the Yankees in the Caspian. I do not want war, but "appeasement" of the aggressor and the call "not to succumb to provocations" only strengthened Hitler's appetites at one time. The "Syrian crisis" will decide what comes next, a country we are forced to reckon with, or a "colossus with feet of clay," which tomorrow these feet will want to crush.
    3. Proud.
      Proud. 27 August 2013 15: 23
      +7
      Quote: nokki
      Where the "legs" of this article grow from, it is clear from the following quote: "In Beslan, the color of the Alpha group was knocked out in ten minutes ..." The author could not help but know that they were Alpha members. contrary to all the Charters, they climbed under the bullets, pulling out the children and pushing back the distraught parents. At the very least, such a statement is blasphemy!

      I completely agree with you! In fact, all of the 10 Heroes who died died protecting their Comrades, or closing (saving) hostages. Before that, over 30 years of existence, 19 Soldiers died. And in general, in Beslan, they faced a new level of terror! More than 1000 visitors, more than 800 children. "... the color of the group was KNOCKED out ..." - you can't write like that. Article-Minus. And you, nokki-Plus.
    4. Jin
      Jin 27 August 2013 16: 09
      +8
      Quote: nokki
      Where the "legs" of this article grow from is clear from this quote: "In Beslan, the color of the Alpha group was knocked out in ten minutes ..."


      It freaked out too! They were shot at their backs when they covered children with themselves, carrying them out from under the dagger fire on their hands ... the author wrote that he had plunged into a puddle (((
    5. bilgesez
      bilgesez 27 August 2013 23: 07
      +1
      Only Putin will not do that.
  29. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 27 August 2013 10: 58
    0
    I will hope that "you" are wrong comrade author.
  30. Batkamahno
    Batkamahno 27 August 2013 10: 59
    +3
    All is correct. To argue with America, if she decided to fight, no one will. If you hit a horn, then stopping them will be problematic. The idea is different. Do you need this? Do the Americans themselves need this? The case of Iraq, Libya, and Afghanistan is clear. There you could make good profit. Freeze accounts in Europe. Collect cream For which it was possible to organize the pumping of raw materials. Syria on time transferred all foreign accounts to weapons. It is no accident that Russia is already selling to Syria on credit. THERE IS NOTHING TO TAKE THERE. It's my opinion. Well, or at least not very much good there)))) Therefore, a heroic victory over Assad .... Even if an ambulance. this is not the same jackpot as in Libya. It’s at least, but at the very least, something can get it down. Plus an example for the next in line Iran and so on. Keep money in your own Army, not in Bank of America. Yes, and capture in Syria in the sense of oil production -Nothing. what is, you can pre-explode. Conclusion. war-ravaged country-capitally ravaged. crowds of hungry people who at least need to be fed. AND NO MONEY
  31. Ross
    Ross 27 August 2013 11: 00
    +6
    Quote: kot11180
    until I read to the end, I thought Chubais wrote an article, or Navalny


    That is how the Anglo-Saxon planners reason. Like, swallow everything, rub ourselves and forget. This is their calculation.
  32. Onotollah
    Onotollah 27 August 2013 11: 03
    +6
    Kneading in Syria can turn out to be very steep. It will reach everyone and Syria and Israel and Iran and Turkey with the Saudis.
    the author has uncovered the Kurdish question, as well as options for possible sabotage in the countries that took part in the aggression.
    Yes, and something Vietnam and Afghanistan remembered, why would it?
  33. Grbear
    Grbear 27 August 2013 11: 04
    10
    Gentlemen!
    The article was blamed out of the banal rejection of factual material. The above arguments directly indicate the reasons Why States Can start a war and they (arguments) are justified from the point of view of the same States and their allies.

    BUT!

    Politics is a war of nerves.

    The States have little desire to emulate Iraq. Despite the "victory", Iraq is a big blow to the "face".

    States will be able to crush Assad, but this will not add political weight to them and will strengthen their positions, if not Russia, then China, and even both countries together.

    The UN, no matter how "prishblin", remains an international organization, and if it is dispersed, as the Turks suggest, then it makes no sense to talk about the coexistence of states. The planet will be divided into Lord and vassals. This does not "warm" anyone. Following will be Mr. Obama's Nobel Peace Prize. another institution of democracy will collapse.

    We can only wait and hope that the ruling elites will be smart enough not to "push the trigger." Otherwise, not only Russia will have to “wash”.

    PS Just announced on the radio that Obama will not start a war for at least two more days (looking for a reliable justification).
    1. Stiletto
      Stiletto 27 August 2013 11: 14
      +8
      Personally, I "minus" the article only for hitting the "Alpha" group. Well, or rather, not only for this, but for the fat minus, and this alone is enough.
      1. IRBIS
        IRBIS 27 August 2013 15: 20
        +8
        Quote: Stiletto
        Personally, I "minus" the article only for hitting the "Alpha" group.

        I agree. For such a disdainful attitude towards those who died saving children. To compare their feat and death with how the French "specialists" were threatened is complete nonsense. For this it is not necessary to minus, but to tear off the "bells" by the roots.
        And about the fact that Russia is already dictating their terms of cooperation, the author clearly got excited.
  34. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 27 August 2013 11: 06
    +2
    Why not deploy missiles with nuclear weapons in Syria (under an agreement)? and only then - bargain with the Indians.

    (Khrushchev, at one time, bargained to remove rockets from Turkey near the Indians.)
  35. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 27 August 2013 11: 06
    +5
    Confidence of the author, in the inviolability of the United States causes a smile. laughing
  36. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 27 August 2013 11: 08
    +4
    The author is, of course, right in some ways, but you need to understand that by "throwing" Syria, Russia will lose the remnants of international prestige as a Great Power and no one else will reckon with us, why do you need such a partner who surrenders its partners over and over again, yes I understand that we don’t owe anything to Syria, as well as Libya, which he gave to the Americans to be devoured by Medvedev, but then it was necessary to immediately take a pro-American position or withdraw from the conflict altogether, they say, do whatever you want, we don’t care. And so some half-measures, but no nothing worse than half-measures. And if now the turmoil begins in Syria and Russia meekly steps aside again, the entire international authority of our country will evaporate like morning fog. For Putin with his mediocre domestic policy and a bunch of problems, it will be a big blow, because. he comes up exclusively on foreign policy.
  37. Stiletto
    Stiletto 27 August 2013 11: 09
    +1
    The US position on Syria is understandable: with this hype, they are trying to divert attention from the most terrible continuation of the "Snowden novel" - namely, from the information bomb, the roll of which cannot be underestimated - the scandal of total control and wiretapping by the UN. And this, I tell you, is not a pound of raisins, this is a serious crime. This is the kind of investigation that urgently needs to be initiated, not the use of chemical weapons.

    Russia urgently needs to put two issues on the agenda:

    1. US crime against UN member states;
    2. to issue a vote of no confidence directly to the UN, as a puppet organization corrupted with the United States. For - what conclusions can the so-called "UN experts in Syria" draw, under the hood of the US special services?
    1. ksan
      ksan 27 August 2013 23: 50
      +1
      Stiletto RU Today, 11:09 AM

      The US position on Syria is understandable: with this hype, they are trying to divert attention from the most terrible continuation of the "Snowden novel" - namely, from the information bomb, the roll of which cannot be underestimated - the scandal of total control and wiretapping by the UN. And this, I tell you, is not a pound of raisins, this is a serious crime. This is the kind of investigation that urgently needs to be initiated, not the use of chemical weapons.

      Russia urgently needs to put two issues on the agenda:

      1. US crime against UN member states;
      2. to issue a vote of no confidence directly to the UN, as a puppet organization corrupted with the United States. For - what conclusions can the so-called "UN experts in Syria" draw, under the hood of the US special services?
      Soglassen.Rossii do not need to fight, but more in the diplomatic field to work and use "soft power". The UN exists to state its position to the whole world, and more often "show the true face of American democracy"
  38. Ross
    Ross 27 August 2013 11: 10
    +2
    Quote: dimon-media
    The article is somehow anti-Russian, inclines to a negative mood. You can’t live like that, author. Where is the positive? Even thoughts come that this is the order of the opposition.


    We just began to understand that our liberals, the pseudo elite imposed on us, are part of the world liberal "lads". In Russia, they repeated in miniature the scenario of what the Anglo-Saxon Liberators created on the entire planet. And now this liberal bandit does not at all intend to hide behind any decency even for the sake of appearance. He looks all over the world and says as the author of this article: you all shave. The question of questions is who will have the courage to stop the unbelted liberal homosexuals? Everyone is looking at Russia, there is no one else ...
    1. Rus2012
      Rus2012 27 August 2013 11: 17
      +3
      Quote: Ross
      We just began to understand that our liberals, the pseudo elite imposed on us, are part of the world liberal "lads".

      ... In the case of the introduction of "VP" in Russia, the 5th column will immediately go where it should be ... At best, to felling, at worst - to clear the minefields of tolerant dermocrats-libroids with their bodies. At least the slightest sense will be ...

      Here about the possible consequences for the world after the Amer attack of Syria - http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/207300-posledstviya-napadeniya-ssha-na-
      siriyu.html

      The world will become different: "He who has the power will be right ..."
    2. berimor
      berimor 27 August 2013 12: 10
      +2
      But Russia has nothing to answer so far. There are no former forces, unfortunately !!!
  39. uhu189
    uhu189 27 August 2013 11: 10
    17
    I read the article, and it seems that the author is a big fan of analysts and experts from Business FM. But seriously, judging from the standpoint of today and not looking at tomorrow, the author is partially right. But that is precisely the point that they are looking somewhat ahead. And ahead of the next - the United States is pursuing a consistent policy of squeezing out China from everywhere, from where it can be - from Africa, from Asia. This process has become too obvious to ignore; Syria is a very important stage in this policy. The Chinese will certainly not fight, but to claim that they will ignore is a very bold assumption. They will take measures, even if not obvious to us (ordinary viewers). Assad behaves just very wisely, because he understands that no negotiations will be held with him in the current state, and if they do, then after he leaves and surrenders his position, it will end at best with the Hague Tribunal for crimes against humanity. Moreover, no one from the West will stop the massacre of the Alawites if he leaves and surrenders the state. None of the Gulf countries needs a strong Syria - for the sake of its destruction (or weakening) of the Gulf monarchy, they supported this idea. Turkey wants to become a leader in the Middle East, as Saudi Arabia and Qatar want it, and they simply consistently eliminate their competitors. The behavior of Iran is too difficult to predict, they are well aware that Israel is not at all satisfied with the existence of Iran in the form that it is now, and therefore they will not rest until they have enough nuclear weapons. I think if they see that there will be chances to keep Syria, and the Russian Federation will be able to at least somehow politically fend off pressure on Assad - they will certainly intervene and will help. The Strait of Hormuz is an extreme measure, but it can also be used if necessary. Russia - this is where a clear, consistent and absolutely competent position is evident - upholding its interests, norms of observance of international law and at the same time full military support for the only ally in the region. The containment of Wahhabism is far from an exaggeration of the threat, however much the author may think, this is a very real and serious problem, which, thank God, the leadership understands perfectly. But the author is mistaken in making the wrong conclusions when comparing the fighting efficiency of the groups in Dagestan and Syria - the format is completely different, but it’s on his conscience. Passages about the economy and the extent of the military company's influence on Europe and the USA - this is again on the conscience of the author - he conducted a serious study of the impact of wars on the economies of these countries. I will point out only one factor - in 3 months after the start of the bombing of Libya in France and Britain, all stocks of precision weapons were over and they were forced to buy new ones from the United States and bomb them with conventional bombs. If the author does not know, then the Russian Federation began to withdraw money from US securities, China began to do the same a few years ago. Unfortunately, I have no information about Japan. At the same time, the US economy is currently successfully operating solely due to the policy of quantitative easing (or simply speaking the printing press), and some rumors about curtailing it cause a wild panic in the economy.

    Summarizing, I can say the following - if this article were not written in such a defiant tone - it would be possible to consider this as the opinion of the reader of the forum, but since the intonations are clearly strained, then I'm sorry - I put a minus ...
  40. brace
    brace 27 August 2013 11: 11
    +4
    No matter how I like it, it’s probably the bitter truth. Realist article. And the desire to wishful thinking of reality is a weak trait for the military.
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 12: 42
      +4
      Quote: brace
      Realist article

      An article by a pessimist who does not take into account many important factors
      1. brace
        brace 27 August 2013 13: 23
        +1
        God grant that this pessimistic view will not be justified. Tired of watching the procession: Yugoslavia, Iraq, ... Syria? When will they choke?
  41. vitek1233
    vitek1233 27 August 2013 11: 14
    +1
    It is necessary to threaten that the supply of modern air defense systems to Iran will become a reality. And not only that, but also other non-defensive systems
    1. Onotollah
      Onotollah 27 August 2013 13: 29
      0
      Yes, judging by the article:
      Short:
      Russia has completed deliveries of Tor-M1 complexes to Iran
      Read more: http://www.arms-expo.ru/049051124050056048.html
  42. shitovmg
    shitovmg 27 August 2013 11: 19
    +6
    Anyway, if we discard the noise, husk and emotions, with a mess, it will
  43. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 27 August 2013 11: 37
    +1
    Kind! Dear Author, what article did you write under? Are you the almighty who made heroes here? Americans?
    Quote: brace
    No matter how I like it, it’s probably the bitter truth. Realist article. And the desire to wishful thinking of reality is a weak trait for the military.

    An article by a pessimist from the Russian Federation or an optimist from us! Smoothly spread yes it will be hard to sleep!
  44. optimist
    optimist 27 August 2013 11: 43
    +2
    And what is it so all together pounced on the author of the article? The guy described everything correctly. Of course, somewhat rude and cynical, but true! The old Russian saying "Your shirt is closer to the body" has not yet been canceled. For at least the last 100 years, the Amers have been doing what they want with the world, and they always succeed. I will not say anything about other countries, but I am 1000% sure that in the event of an amerovskoy strike on Syria, Russia will slightly flutter its tongue, and then shove it into itself .... But we will not arrange a tote here: time will put everything in its place. In this situation, we only have the role of the audience. And from the fact that we will viciously spit in the comments in the American creatures, they will not care. Victory can only be achieved by advancing: this is the IRON LAW OF WAR! Russia (at least for the last 25 years) is only losing ground. And until we ourselves cease to console ourselves with the mythical display of "Kuz'ka's mother" to the whole world, nothing will change.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 27 August 2013 12: 39
      +4
      Quote: optimist
      You can only win by stepping on: this is the IRON LAW OF WAR!

      This is just what the article does not observe. The aspirations not only to win, but even to resist ... It seems like it was written in the 90s. And since then nothing in the world has changed. In the 90s, the war in Syria would have ended long ago , and in Iran too ... So what no, but there is progress.
      And there’s nothing to say about the author’s tenderness with US idols - it seems like he pulled a SWAMP ... And the dollar is strong as a flint ... In a word, they wrote to the whole world from a high mountain and this will continue forever ...
      1. optimist
        optimist 27 August 2013 13: 07
        -2
        Quote: alex13-61
        This is just what the article does not observe.

        And why should this be observed in this article? The author just REALLY DESCRIBES THE SITUATION and NAMES THINGS BY OWN NAMES. He does not call for grabbing the rope and soap and looking for the nearest crossbar. Just the majority of Russians (and forum users on this site) do not want to face the truth. And the truth is that 25 years ago we lost the war to the Amers and their allies. And since then, practically ALL the decisions of the leadership of our country are aimed at weakening and destroying the Russian people. And the current leadership of the country will NEVER make a real and open confrontation with its overseas curator. And if 25 years ago it was possible to fill up the USSR, then today's Russia is like two fingers on asphalt. And you don’t even need to fight, to drop the price of hydrocarbons .... And all this warlike rhetoric of the authorities, is a simple air shock. I understand that everyone (including me) wants to be positive, but you need to look at things a little realistically.
        1. Onotollah
          Onotollah 27 August 2013 13: 45
          +2
          Quote: optimist
          And why should this be observed in this article?

          Well, it’s like an article for that and an article to make a comprehensive analysis, but on the one hand - this is propaganda already called, as they say, feel the difference.
          And if this propaganda has spoiled your mood, then she has done her job.
          Quote: optimist
          And since then, practically ALL the decisions of the leadership of our country are aimed at weakening and destroying the Russian people.

          Why then, until now, Russia has not been divided into specific principalities and there are more than 15 million of us all together, because as you know, this is the figure that was assigned by Western puppeteers to the entire population of Russia.
          Comment right away if it’s not difficult for you to gain territorial acquisitions during the Georgian war, major construction projects throughout the country, an undoubted improvement in the conditions of existence, and recent major maneuvers of the RA.
          1. optimist
            optimist 27 August 2013 14: 09
            0
            Quote: Onotolle
            Why then, until now, Russia has not been divided into specific principalities and there are more than 15 million of us all together, because as you know, this is the figure that was assigned by Western puppeteers to the entire population of Russia. Comment right away if it’s not difficult for you to territorial acquisitions during the Georgian war, large construction projects throughout the country, an undoubted improvement in the living conditions and recent major maneuvers of the Republic of Armenia.

            I'll try to answer. 1) It is much easier to come to an agreement with one "overseer" of GDP than with a bunch of specific princelings. Is not it? And in the event of a sharp deterioration in the life of the people, there is a high probability of civil war and hundreds of thousands of unshaven Russian men with "Kalash" in the oil and gas pipelines. So it is easier to buy "Papuans" with green cut paper than to fight with them (140 million, after all, and there are nuclear weapons). 2) Concerning "acquisitions". In addition to hemorrhoids and a bunch of freeloaders (after all, everyone knows that the Russian Federation actually contains Abkhazia and South Ossetia), we have not acquired anything. 3) Concerning the improvement of life. As in one old joke: "We lived happily, but not for long." Now even a not very observant person can see that "improvements" are clearly declining. 4) Well, about major maneuvers ... the people must be shown that the money for the army is not wasted in vain. 5) Concerning "wise" decisions. A year has passed since the day of joining the WTO. Even down-and-out idiots see that the Russian Federation doesn't need it. But we stubbornly continue to sink our industry and agriculture. Well, about the "great construction projects of capitalism", except for taverns, supermarkets and fucking Olympic facilities, something is not visible. What other questions?
            1. Onotollah
              Onotollah 27 August 2013 14: 29
              0
              Quote: optimist
              What other questions?

              Short:
              Large Russian projects (under construction)
              http://warfiles.ru/37010-krupnye-rossiyskie-proekty-stroyaschiesya.html
            2. ovgorskiy
              ovgorskiy 27 August 2013 15: 37
              +1
              Optimist, did you take such a nickname for fun? You probably get all the information from Russia from the BBC and the Voice of America, sometimes visiting the Echo of Moscow. Probably already soaped the rope, choose a stronger hook, OPTIMIST.
              1. optimist
                optimist 27 August 2013 15: 46
                +1
                Quote: ovgorskiy
                Probably already soaped the rope, choose a stronger hook, OPTIMIST.

                As they say, do not wait! More often watch federal channels, join the ONF and you will be SHISHE!
    2. Onotollah
      Onotollah 27 August 2013 13: 58
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      The guy described everything correctly

      The guy very successfully picked up one-sided facts and presented them in a favorable light.
      Let me remind you in this context that at the moment, the US and NATO OKW fucking ..lead from Afghanistan through a narrow path through the territory of Russia. And if you cover this path, then over 9000 amers will be trapped in the midst of evil souls, and if Russia helps these souls, the polar fox will sneak up to the peacekeepers very quickly.
      Amers didn’t stretch out Afghanistan’s finances, but then they will survive the world, the dollar is as indestructible as ever.
      Dooh, I believe, I'm afraid.
  45. Hort
    Hort 27 August 2013 11: 52
    +4
    in fact, about the dollar's fall - "the devil is not as bad as his little one."
    Yes, it will be hard, but countries will immediately switch to an alternative currency - euro \ ruble \ yuan and all settlements will be converted into it. Assets with reserves will certainly suffer, but there will be no global collapse of the world.
    By the way, about RMB with rubles: if my memory serves me right, this was discussed at the SCO summit another year in 2009 or 2010. So, there are achievements
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 27 August 2013 12: 25
      +2
      Russia and China launched this project in 2011 of the year. An entrepreneur from Russia through a bank payment can buy goods in RMB and vice versa
  46. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 27 August 2013 11: 56
    +8
    1) The Shiite genocide of Syria and Lebanon is not a good reason for Iran? In the future, the Persian genocide by the Arabs?

    2) A complete sunset of European gas trade, even on a buyer's terms, is not a good reason for Russia? From the fact that some dwarf Qatar will again demand Russian slaves to itself officially through its ministries?

    3) Is China's complete US dependence on oil and gas and a potential war over an island with Japan an insufficient reason for China to growl (now that is Iran and Syria to counterbalance)?

    4) I’m not saying that the United States will reanimate all its capabilities and remain the leader for 50 for years ... Then not only VAZ will become French, our last slippers will belong to England and France ...

    5) Putin will be spoiled as president of Bolivia by any US scoop, searching about Snowden, is this not enough reason for him?
  47. Micex
    Micex 27 August 2013 11: 59
    +9
    Neither the current article, nor the first article (to which the answer is given) is any serious analytical study. The first one shows the look of "patriot grief", this one - a liberal a la "oivsevRasheploho" But, if I am ready to join the first with my heart and soul, because I love my Motherland, whatever it may be, then I am ready to spit on the author of the second article for his cynical scribbles addressed to My Country.
  48. pensioner
    pensioner 27 August 2013 12: 09
    0
    Europe, in turn, is forcing Gazprom to sign contracts on buyer's terms. Ukraine does not want to join the Customs Union-then recently our valiant artillerymen helped Gazprom to cope with the fire. Can I apply again?
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 12: 46
      +5
      Quote: retired
      Europe forces Gazprom to sign contracts on buyer's terms

      Europe does not take winter into account. Putin has long said to them:
      1. Hauptmann emil
        Hauptmann emil 27 August 2013 14: 02
        0
        Most of all I liked the hint about the irreversibility of a trip to Siberia for firewood - if you do not want to buy gas.
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 17: 33
          0
          Another option
      2. vikruss
        vikruss 28 August 2013 05: 26
        +1
        Enough to tear the Germans, they were already torn in 1945. But Israel was delivered an ultimatum by Vladimir Putin about Syria, and why ... Israel attacked Syria again, and Russia pretended not to notice anything ... That's it. Dear President, impunity is a big appetite, a passion to get drunk on a freebie.
  49. grafrozow
    grafrozow 27 August 2013 12: 19
    +1
    We’ll wait and see. But you don’t feel like a world war, it may happen that there will be no winners or losers, there will be a nuclear desert.
  50. vadson
    vadson 27 August 2013 12: 21
    15
    sorry for youth slang but: the author is madak, post shit, kill yourself up the wall
    1. Micex
      Micex 27 August 2013 12: 29
      +3
      but it is clear)
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 27 August 2013 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: vadson
      author madak, post shit, kill yourself up the wall

      It’s rude, of course ... but it’s fair .... and even gives it from youth to the article, not to say immaturity ... so youth slang is just that.
    3. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 27 August 2013 13: 20
      0
      I join you !!! And yet, according to Vanga, the "nuclear mushroom" in this region was not predicted, and the fall of Syria, too !!! So let's see .....