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Russia began developing a sixth generation unmanned fighter

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Russian aircraft designers are actively working to develop sixth-generation fighter jets, which will be unmanned, said Army General Peter Deinekin, former commander-in-chief of the Air Force of Russia, on Monday.

“The subject of unmanned aerial vehicles of a large radius of action requires additional study, especially since the sixth generation of combat aviationmost likely to be unmanned. Naturally, we are actively working on this topic, ”said Deinekin, RIA reports.News».

Thus, he answered the question why Russia, with great delay from the USA, is developing the fifth generation fighter T-50, and does not immediately start creating the sixth generation, bypassing the fifth.

He stressed that it is impossible to compare, for example, France, as a member of NATO, which can buy fifth-generation fighters in the United States and Russia.

“We have to do this important business on our own, so we’re unlikely to jump through a generation,” said the former commander-in-chief of the Air Force.

In Russia, tests of the fifth-generation fighter T-50 are now being completed. Meanwhile, leading European countries, according to analysts, will not create the fifth generation of combat aircraft at all, but will immediately switch to the sixth unmanned aircraft.

Recall, the fifth-generation fighter T-50 will be presented at the MAKS-2013 air show, which will be held in Zhukovsky near Moscow from August 27 to September 1.

As previously reported, state tests are now undergoing four such machines. The first flight of the T-50 took place in January 2010 of the year, the first public display - at MAKS-2011.

It also became known that the T-50 will begin to be equipped with fundamentally new engines of the fifth generation of the second stage by the end of the decade.

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  1. DDW
    DDW 27 August 2013 06: 28 New
    +5
    We need technology, technology and technology again ...
    A beautiful project does not mean competent execution in "metal". God bless us in developing the 6th generation ...
    1. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 27 August 2013 07: 42 New
      +6
      Quote: DDW
      We need technology, technology and technology again ...


      - there is technology, everything is there! When the furniture maker, everything was very much, or rather, there was nothing! = (

      PS: photo - your test! It feels like COOL PUTIN, just flew in / pulled up to the hotel, and threw such keys to the valet ... And he says, park my T50 in that hangar! winked

      No, true, photo - BOMB))
      1. Retx
        Retx 27 August 2013 09: 58 New
        0
        Usually GG in films goes before the explosion. I look and wait for something to fly into the air behind Putin laughing
        1. LaGlobal
          LaGlobal 27 August 2013 10: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: RETX
          I look and wait for something to fly into the air behind Putin



          It will probably be Washington! BUT not like T50!
    2. Login_Off
      Login_Off 27 August 2013 07: 42 New
      0
      I think here the statement is purely about intentions, and not about the development itself. So far, there are not even requirements for a 6th generation aircraft, so we still have to wait at least 5 years.
      1. military
        military 27 August 2013 10: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Login_Off
        So far, there are not even requirements for a 6th generation aircraft, so we still have to wait at least 5 years.

        5 years minimum ... for the formation of technical requirements ... yes
  2. Nitarius
    Nitarius 27 August 2013 06: 31 New
    -3
    You don’t even know what to say!
    Let them show Real UFO technologies that are so actively hiding!
    It seems to me that the T-50 is designed for a mass audience, etc.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 27 August 2013 06: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      Let them show Real UFO technologies that are so actively hiding!

      Why are you in such a hurry! Everything has its time! Today, many are envious of our current combat aviation technologies. China will definitely confirm this for you. smile
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 27 August 2013 07: 05 New
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        Quote: tronin.maxim
        Why are you in such a hurry!

        We are not in a hurry, but we are afraid to be late when the adversary comes to receive the kumpole. A lot of time is lost
        1. tronin.maxim
          tronin.maxim 27 August 2013 07: 08 New
          -1
          Quote: bomg.77
          , and we are afraid to be late when the adversary arrives

          My question is, what does the adversary have the best of which we don’t have (we don’t take into account the means of communication)?
          1. bomg.77
            bomg.77 27 August 2013 07: 36 New
            +4
            drones, aircraft carriers, and they also have nice cars by the way! winked
  3. Revolver
    Revolver 27 August 2013 06: 34 New
    +7
    God forbid to do it, and as soon as possible, so that the news never flashed "Everything is calm on the Finnish-Chinese border."
  4. mirag2
    mirag2 27 August 2013 06: 59 New
    +2
    Yes, there is no one to buy modern aircraft, but no one will sell it. Otherwise, you will have to sign a government decree, like Ukraine with Chevron, which opens up access to 45% of the territory (Ivano-Frankivsk region, for example, to a depth of 0 to 10 km) . For no dependence to pay dearly. A planes (T-50) -in series!
  5. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 August 2013 07: 05 New
    +1
    Everything is correct and everything is fine, but here is a photo with Putin, which side? Everything that is being created now can be said that is being created by Soviet people, and not by those who sell Russia
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 August 2013 07: 17 New
      +2
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Everything that is being created now can be said that is being created by Soviet people, and not by those who sell Russia

      And the youth that is not involved?
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 27 August 2013 07: 26 New
        -1
        The fact of the matter is that so far it is only participating, on the basis of those developments that come from the USSR, maybe you don’t think so?
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 27 August 2013 07: 43 New
          +4
          The know-how is passed "from" "to" -generations, naturally the Soviet experience and so on are taken into account. It can be said about Israel that it has created something on the basis of someone else's work, because only now the first generation of its engineers has grown up in it.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 27 August 2013 08: 02 New
          0
          Quote: vladsolo56
          t, on the basis of those developments that are still coming from the USSR, maybe you don’t think so?

          In this case, following your logic, Putin’s photo is more than appropriate because he comes from the USSR and has lived most of his life in the USSR. And then, you write that you reproach that not everything was collapsed and the base of the USSR was preserved. The USSR-Russia, which is to belittle the merits of contemporaries constantly saying so, is the USSR. People work and have invested a lot of work, including youth. Your accents are not clear in short.
        3. alexng
          alexng 27 August 2013 08: 16 New
          10
          I just don't think so. And stop whining like a woman. My son works at Irkut Corporation as an aircraft designer and now he was transferred from dryers to MS-21, and there are a lot of talented young people, and there are a lot of absolutely new developments and developments. So don't talk nonsense. I myself am engaged in the automation of production (I manage a department) and a lot of talented young people undergo practical training and work with us. You either put on a skirt, or stop snot dissolving on every occasion. Just do not say that you are a former military man - do not dishonor the army and people in uniform. Stop working indirectly for the State Department. They should already pay grants for your activities in the information war. Zadolbali these "grunts" whine and whine for any reason. Do something for the good of Russia. Sorry, but this whining is already pretty tired. Thought is material and the more you whine, the worse it becomes around you. Stop! And those who constantly whine, for the same reason, live in a chushatnik. If you want everything to change for the better, stop crying, complaining and waiting for someone to live their life for you.
          1. vladsolo56
            vladsolo56 27 August 2013 09: 26 New
            0
            And why are you whitened? What am I saying that we do not have smart and talented young scientists? You have strange reading skills. I just emphasized that in this particular case the foundation was laid in the USSR. You do not like this thesis? Well, that’s your right. However, it’s not worth teaching me how to live and how to think. Who told you that you are smarter than others and who appointed you as a teacher. I have lived no less than yours and I have the right to express my own thoughts, I do not care about the State Department and those who rank all dissenting as agents of influence. Roughly yes, only some do not understand otherwise
    2. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 27 August 2013 11: 31 New
      0
      Glory to Putin! ... I just want to say, but the cockerels will bite ... You are wrong "mister", Putin was directly involved in the decision to "make" this plane, and the fact that the government should be "cleaned" Putin has repeatedly said about this ... if we do not have a Stalinist state, here we are reaping the fruits ...
  6. Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 27 August 2013 07: 10 New
    0
    The Russian bear looks gorgeous ...
  7. vasiliysxx
    vasiliysxx 27 August 2013 07: 15 New
    -4
    Quote: vladsolo56
    Everything is correct and everything is fine, but here is a photo with Putin, which side? Everything that is being created now can be said that is being created by Soviet people, and not by those who sell Russia


    oh well, if it weren’t for the T-50 to roar, and in this decade it’s only on paper, and maybe it’ll finally get to the Russian Air Force from any air show
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 August 2013 07: 28 New
      +4
      What do you think, in what year did the first development of the T-50 begin, it certainly is not advertised, only now I think that even before the collapse of the USSR. In the 90s there was a decline in general and nothing moved, and now about five years ago it moved.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 27 August 2013 07: 33 New
        -5
        I’m thinking ... yes, if only ... if my grandmother would have ... she would be a grandfather .. From the same opera.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 27 August 2013 09: 28 New
          +2
          Wise guy are you talking about? And what can you be right, let us attribute all that is good in our country to the merits of only one Putin, we will analyze everything that is bad each on our own and will scourge ourselves to exhaustion.
  8. King
    King 27 August 2013 07: 16 New
    0
    God grant that all undertakings do not ruin the liberal lobby
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 27 August 2013 07: 50 New
      0
      What can these lobbies do here? Only if the UN forbids the use of drones. By the way, while there are no laws about this, it would be possible to turn around. To do what is then banned is to gain experience that cannot be gained later.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 27 August 2013 08: 23 New
        0
        Quote: mirag2
        Only if the UN prohibits the use of drones.

        That is unlikely. Uncle Sam’s strike UAVs today are one of the main means of fighting al-Qaeda. And at the UN, Uncle Sam has a veto.
  9. lotar
    lotar 27 August 2013 07: 25 New
    0
    I doubt very much that the 6 generation fighters will be completely unmanned. Yes, and it is unlikely that they will be able to completely switch over. Artificial intelligence, when it is still unknown, the forecasts on this subject are different, from 30 years and teretically to infinity. All communication systems have certain vulnerabilities and what will happen if such a drone is intercepted, and even with a weapon as an example of global importance, it will not seem to anyone. So, in the best case, there will be a kind of symbiosis between the pilot and the computer expanding each other's capabilities.
    1. Rus2012
      27 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: lotar
      I strongly doubt that the 6 generation fighters will be completely unmanned. Yes, and it is unlikely to go completely when it succeeds. Artificial intelligence, when it is still unknown, the forecasts on this subject are different, from 30 years and teretically to infinity.

      AI - "Artificial Intelligence" - is quite applicable, the "wolf pack" of Granites, for example. Another thing is for limited use. So here it may well be sharpening for specific tasks. For example - "KR fighter". Or an interceptor for a heavy bomber.
      But lack of versatility - it will be more difficult. On the other hand, manned combat aircraft, up to 70%, have to carry out routine tasks that could be accomplished by attack UAVs — reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, hitting an explored target, electronic warfare ...

      The first task for a UAV paired with a manned T-50 is completely m. early extended patrol and detection. This is when the UAV ahead flies somewhat behind and to the side of the T-50 ...
  10. mirag2
    mirag2 27 August 2013 07: 45 New
    -1
    "Roared, growled" - what a stupid servile faith in the king ...
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 08: 42 New
      +2
      And what about the king? we have at any stage, with rare exceptions, until the authorities of the regiment let go, nobody moves. And so along the chain to the very top
  11. mirag2
    mirag2 27 August 2013 07: 48 New
    0
    An unmanned fighter has been possible and available for some time now. It’s only the capabilities of his intellect are very far from human capabilities, and the tasks that you can trust him do not justify the cost of its production.
  12. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 27 August 2013 08: 02 New
    0
    The case is right and necessary. In the USSR, at one time he created the groundwork for the fifth generation at the end of the 70's. Now the same thing.
  13. Boot under the carpet
    Boot under the carpet 27 August 2013 08: 04 New
    +2
    It is interesting how unmanned fighters are going to be developed in the Russian Federation if we have not created a single sensible heavy UAV with long-range reconnaissance and long flight duration.
    1. jayich
      jayich 27 August 2013 08: 29 New
      +1
      "Energia-Buran" does not say anything and this is in the 80s, although it is a shuttle, but it landed in unmanned mode, it was developed under the SOI program, and it is much easier to land a computer in a T-50 instead of a pilot than to create an aircraft from scratch ...
      1. Rus2012
        27 August 2013 10: 03 New
        0
        Quote: jayich
        And to take a t-50 instead of a pilot to land a computer is much easier than creating a plane from scratch.

        no, this is not a good option - overweight and with large reserves of strength, reliability, cost, etc.
        UAVs can be created on the basis of any aircraft, but only by rescaling and redesigning ...
        On UAVs, those indicators of hope and resource are not required for a manned UAV. And life support systems for people, too ...
        Here the old aircraft can be used with a computer for a specific task - a one-time strike or as a target ...
      2. Far East
        Far East 27 August 2013 14: 35 New
        0
        Quote: jayich
        Energia-Buran "does not say anything, and in the 80s, even though it was a shuttle, it landed in unmanned mode, it was developed under the SOI program, and it is much easier to land a computer in a T-50 instead of a pilot than to create an aircraft from scratch.

        good good good hi
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 27 August 2013 08: 34 New
      +1
      created much cooler "BURAN" hi
    3. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 08: 44 New
      0
      It’s necessary not to copy and catch up, but to work ahead of the curve.
    4. Rus2012
      27 August 2013 09: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Boot under the carpet
      not a single sensible heavy UAV long-range reconnaissance and long flight duration.

      And the unmanned scouts of Tupolev? What do you want to say was not?
      http://www.tupolev.ru/Russian/Show.asp?SectionID=66
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 August 2013 08: 58 New
    0
    Meanwhile, leading European countries, according to analysts, will not create the fifth generation of military aviation at all, but will immediately move to the sixth unmanned aircraft.

    Well, good luck to them ... About the same as with F-22 and F-35. Only here not everything can be built with huge money.
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 27 August 2013 10: 06 New
      +1
      F-35 here which side attached?

      Yours!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 August 2013 11: 52 New
        0
        F-35 here which side attached?

        Financial ....
        1. Kipish
          Kipish 27 August 2013 12: 15 New
          0
          then what side is F-22)))?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 August 2013 16: 19 New
            0
            then what side is F-22)))?

            The cessation of production in the second hundred.
  15. Rossmk
    Rossmk 27 August 2013 11: 22 New
    0
    We ought to be like the Chinese "tyrit" technologies, and then improve them, refine the shortcomings and let them into the series.
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 27 August 2013 11: 38 New
      0
      Here are just the Chinese to improve, as it does not really work out))
      Make a more cheap copy of the Su-27 and with worse performance, please.

      With respect
  16. Tu-214R
    Tu-214R 27 August 2013 12: 14 New
    0
    Standing on the threshold of the 3rd World War, we are building global plans for decades to come. Maybe we refuse from the MiG-35 to save on the sixth generation?
  17. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 27 August 2013 15: 19 New
    -2
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    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 August 2013 15: 32 New
      0
      The picture is full of crap!
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 27 August 2013 17: 36 New
        0
        Yes figs with her, with a picture - you read the text.
  18. Tourist Breakfast
    Tourist Breakfast 27 August 2013 15: 34 New
    +1
    Everything is fine, but how is the issue with the element base solved? Will you buy from the Chinese?
  19. clidon
    clidon 27 August 2013 16: 30 New
    0
    We must immediately develop the seventh and eighth. Accordingly, stratospheric and near-Earth.
  20. SovMan
    SovMan 27 August 2013 17: 26 New
    +1
    It is interesting to analyze the capabilities of a fighter UAV:
    1 - there is no restriction on pilot overloads, only on a glider
    2 - as a result, anti-ballistic maneuvers may be more rigid
    3 - actions as a fighter are implemented now in semi-automatic mode, the pilot only makes a decision
    4 - navigation should be carried out by several systems, for reliable position determination in electronic warfare conditions
    5 - partially algorithms of actions (interactions in a group) are implemented in an anti-submarine missile warrant
    6 - as a result, the first step may be the development of actions at sea
    7 - in emergency cases it can be used as a CD, expensive, but if the goal is worth it ...
    8 - takeoff landing seemed to work out - Buran was planted.

    In general, a damn interesting job for programmers, even envy those who will do it - just my topic.
  21. studentmati
    studentmati 27 August 2013 22: 00 New
    0
    Russian aircraft designers are actively working on the development of sixth generation fighters,

    On Intel mikruh? Suicides.