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"The first step to the destruction of the country was the overthrow and murder of Lawrence Beria"

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On the next anniversary of the 1991 events related to the State Emergency Committee, we turned to Anatoly Wasserman with a request to answer a number of questions KM.RU.


- Your assessment of what happened? What lessons did you learn from those events for yourself?

People who got into the state apparatus, actively disaccustomed to do something

To begin with, I personally learned from that experience. I made sure how easy it is to fool me. For many years, I sincerely believed that the imposition of a state of emergency was a coup d’état, and the members of the Emergency Committee themselves were criminals. And only relatively recently, I came to the final conclusion that they not only acted with the best of intentions, but did not violate any of the laws then in force.

Looking now at the events of that time, I am most distressed by the fact that an attempt was made to stop the final collapse of both the economy and the country itself as a whole, unable to complete their own plans. Maybe they even could not think of these plans to the end! Therefore, I believe that the Emergency Committee was evidence of the degeneration of the then state apparatus.

I emphasize that we are talking about the degeneration of not people, but of the apparatus. Regardless of whether the people of this device are smart, its very device led to the fact that these people were unable to take active and useful actions. People who got into the state apparatus, actively disaccustomed to do something. In my opinion, with the current apparatus, although for somewhat different reasons, similar processes occur.

What managers are transforming without supervision, we see on the example of modern "effective managers"

It is also important that an attempt undertaken by unsuitable means invariably leads to the opposite result from what was originally intended. They simply did not know what to do, so the introduction of a state of emergency under the slogan of preserving the integrity of the country led to an accelerated disintegration of the country, and measures proclaimed to preserve the unity of economic management led to the disintegration of this economy and the accelerated introduction of a market system in which integral economic mechanism turned out to be broken. Many of them simply collapsed, and those that remained are now forced almost from scratch to look for ways to interact.

In fact, the first step in the direction that ultimately led to destruction was 26 June 1953, when Khrushchev, with the support of Zhukov, organized a coup d'etat with the overthrow and murder of the actual successor to Stalin Lavrentiy Pavlovich Beria. Even if he was killed by issuing a sentence, it still was exactly murder - if only because under the law in force at that time neither Khrushchev, nor any of the military simply had the authority to remove the first deputy chairman of the Council of Ministers. Moreover, Khrushchev later tried to pretend that the decision was made at a government meeting, whereas in fact the government did not meet that day. If anyone met, it was the Presidium of the Central Committee of the CPSU, not authorized to make such decisions.

In any case, legally, these actions were absolutely unacceptable and untenable. The point was not even that it was a coup d’état, but above all that the coup was accomplished in the interests of the party and managerial nomenclature. Its first consequence was a ban on intelligence services from supervising managers. And what managers are able to turn into without supervision, we see on the example of modern "effective managers."
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  1. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 27 August 2013 08: 35
    30
    Yes, managers need to be supervised more clearly than dangerous prisoners. All scandals about corruption and embezzlement are proof of this. And whoever doesn’t like this, let it go not to power, but to stir up a solution for construction or to turn tails to cows in the village. Neglect and irresponsibility are the first reason for the milestones in the country.
  2. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 27 August 2013 08: 44
    43
    I suspect that if Lavrenty Pavlovich stayed at his post with his team, then a lot of goals would have flown automatically, including Khrushchev, many people were interested in his early departure and I suspect that an enormous amount of information about some Central Committee leaders!
    1. rate
      rate 27 August 2013 16: 19
      +8
      Beria needed to be killed. It was necessary to cover the truth about 1941, about the role of military leaders in it. Hide the truth about the death of Stalin. Who and why.
      The USSR was doomed.
      1. old man54
        old man54 27 August 2013 23: 24
        +2
        Quote: normal
        Beria must have been killed

        this is why such an approval ??? Have you read books ?? Yes, Lawrence is really represented almost by the DEVIL in the flesh, but is it right? It’s always easy to blame all sins on a dead person! And the very fact that Beria at Stalin himself was perhaps the No. 1 proxy speaks clearly in his favor! And he trusted him the most difficult things: creation of domestic air defense; the creation of Rk, both ballistic and air defense systems; nuclear weapons and much more! So that ...
        1. folds
          folds 30 August 2013 12: 03
          +1
          Old Man54, you and Norma are talking about the same thing, you simply did not understand each other. Khrushchev needed to kill Beria so that there was no person in power who could tell the truth about Khrushchev himself. That's to blame all sins on the deceased - they killed him and made him a devil in the flesh.
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 27 August 2013 18: 15
      +9
      And not only the leaders of the Central Committee. Almost all court cases of repression against enemies of the people were destroyed after their rehabilitation, which was carried out in droves. Now go figure it out rightly or not, these or those have been punished.
      It is now believed that everyone "suffered innocently." However, looking at the current rampant permissiveness, corruption, betrayal ... you understand, not all were innocent sheep.
      Apparently for this, things were destroyed in order to hide the truth.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 August 2013 01: 25
      0
      Quote: Strezhevchanin
      I suspect that if Lavrenty Pavlovich stayed at his post with his team, then a lot of goals would have flown automatically, including Khrushchev, many people were interested in his early departure and I suspect that an enormous amount of information about some Central Committee leaders!


      Information - an empty phrase, what was destroyed about which Lavrenty might not have known being omnipotent under Stalin ?? Here, just the paranoid Khrushchev, out of sheer enthusiasm, outplayed the professional Beria. Lavrentiy simply lost sight of something, for which he paid ... he just had to order Khurshchev and the question would be removed or postponed indefinitely, and during this time a lot could happen, someone retired to a sanatorium with muscular nannies , someone for health in the Kremlin wall ... It seems that Beria simply believed Khrushchev at some point, purely masculine - a word, and he tritely threw him back that he then did with all his associates, and then they too with him ...
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 28 August 2013 03: 56
      0
      Naturally - he had such material on top that mom wouldn’t be sorry
  3. domokl
    domokl 27 August 2013 08: 47
    18
    Article plus. But somehow it’s not written according to Anatole. The arguments are quite controversial. The collapse of any country really begins with the betrayal of the leadership. But to bring Beria (in other matters, like Khrushchev) is probably not the case.
    We began to lose the country when the military commanders began to export trophies by trains from Germany, when the factory directors began to own huge apartments and dachas. When the Stalinist census of inheritance fit on one sheet, and the inheritance of a hundred and first secretary of the district committee was a volume.
    As soon as the nomenclature became untouchable (Anatol’s very correct conclusion), we began to live in front of the abyss, into which we failed successfully.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 27 August 2013 08: 57
      +3
      It just so happened that every leader begins with howling his predecessor. And not the fact that he himself will work better and more honestly. And at the expense of Beria, he had merits to the country, no matter what they said, but he also shed a lot of blood, including innocent people.
      1. domokl
        domokl 27 August 2013 09: 30
        -3
        Quote: xetai9977
        And at the expense of Beria, he had merits to the country, no matter what they said, but he also shed a lot of blood, including innocent people

        That's just the point. I am now reading quite frequent references to this man. And I noticed a strange thing - He is becoming more fluffy and fluffy. Not to mention bleaching.
        They try to convince us that the killer of one person is better than the killer of two or three. The nonsense is that we become mathematicians.
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 27 August 2013 10: 18
          -9
          [b] domokl [/ b]

          Quote: domokl
          . I read now quite frequent references to this man. And I noticed a strange thing - He becomes more fluffy and fluffy

          Literally, thoughts were "stolen" from the tongue (from the "head") ...
          I saw another Wasserman article, and ... [b] pondered [/ b] ...: "Something too often, became his [b]"offer", [/ b] as "referee."
          And his last statements in articles: "Before (!!!) HE was about: revolutions, Stalin, WWII, USSR, socialism (communism), dissidents, Gorbachev, GKChP - I thought" not so ... ", but now" differently ... "Got clear ...


          It starts to strain me ...
          Foldable and beautiful piz ... "twitter" (aka "twitter") many can ...
          ... "I am summing up, I, in n [b] Ё [/ b] m ..."

          PS One more "positive distraction"? .. Then - only "+" ... subtly ...
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 27 August 2013 11: 04
            13
            Quote: domokl

            "... Now I read quite frequent mentions of this man. And I noticed a strange thing - He is getting fluffier and fluffier ..."


            Now, if Wasserman would criticize the reforms in the Ministry of Internal Affairs,
            maybe he would have believed his fluffiness.

            "The Russian government recently submitted a bill to the State Duma, which experts have already dubbed "The end of domestic forensics."
            This law provides for a significant expansion of the list of articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, according to which it will be possible apply a special court procedure.
            The law itself is called extremely faded and inexpressive -
            "On Amendments to the Criminal Procedure Code of the Russian Federation"but this plain name is hiding
            a very dangerous initiative.
            After all, the court in such cases is more reminiscent of the infamous “troika”:
            The defendant is sentenced in one sitting,
            without examination of evidence and only on the basis of
            his own confession ... "

            http://rosndp.org/konec-rossijskogo-pravosudiya.htm

            Then they say - you liked Stalin's time, so get it.
            That's just under Stalin, all enterprises were
            in the ownership of the USSR and for speculation in currency were given a term.
            And now many enterprises are owned by private individuals
            and the dollar in Russia is controlled by the US Federal Reserve.
            So a comparison of the current judicial system when
            the decisive role is played by money, money, communications, communications ...,
            with Stalin's time, when even relatives were planted
            senior officials - inappropriate.
            1. neri73-r
              neri73-r 27 August 2013 12: 56
              +1
              and only on the basis of
              his own confession ... "


              Sorry, but this is nonsense! Sure
              , isolated cases may be, but not massively! The Prosecutor General’s Office is forced to deal with this when approving an indictment or an act, but the Investigative Committee is at hand !!!
              1. matross
                matross 27 August 2013 15: 14
                +3
                Quote: neri73-r
                ! The Prosecutor General’s Office is forced to deal with this when approving an indictment or act

                Gee-gee-gee! So this is where the pulse of crystal KGB honesty beats !! At the prosecutor's office !! You, by any chance, are not from the prosecutor's office yourself? Or, even worse, from the judges? SK and inquiry, for sure, less work. And it only plays into the hands of a corrupt government! For renting fabricated or biased cases in the "quick and easy" style!
            2. KazaK Bo
              KazaK Bo 27 August 2013 15: 08
              +8
              Quote: sleepy
              "The Russian government recently submitted to the State Duma a bill that experts have already dubbed" the end of Russian forensics. "

              Maybe I’m completely stupid, but I don’t remember what would come from the government of MEDVEDEV at least one sensible initiative or draft law. But there are enough romantic "surprises", and here we have our stat every day. the authorities are lowering our "successes" in GDP growth ... already the economic growth for the year in the forecasts is less than 2%, the budget deficit is also growing in the forecasts. Neither the "youth of our ministers" helps (they should play football with badminton, and not solve state issues), nor the ostentatious optimism of the prime minister himself with his ideas about e-government, nor the weakening of the ruble by the government in order to obtain additional money supply.
              In general, we received a new "KINDERSURPIZA" ... There were few lessons from S. KIRIENKO ... Again we will have to call PRIMAKOV to save the state of affairs.
              This is just about the role of managers in the fate of the country.
            3. smile
              smile 27 August 2013 16: 10
              +3
              sleepy
              I really do not like the ATTEMPT of the adoption of this bill indicated by you. but it has absolutely nothing to do with Stalin's times. Comrade Vyshinsky, in particular, despite the rantings about "The Queen of Evidence". on the contrary, he urged not to pay special attention to the testimony of the defendant, but to focus on other evidence contained in the case materials ...
              And the legs of this initiative are growing out of the United States - this is a direct plagiarism of their "deal with the investigation", which has been very actively used for a long time in their legal proceedings ... so you shouldn't listen to the screams of our liberoid media, they blatantly lie to us ...
              1. Ulan
                Ulan 27 August 2013 18: 28
                +6
                True. Vyshinsky did not at all call for confining himself to the recognition of the accused and to consider this a sufficient basis for proving the crime.
                The confession should crown the investigation, when the accused, under the weight of the evidence, makes a confession and does not replace the evidence at all.
                The fact that Vyshinsky said that enough confession to prove guilt is a linden, concocted also in Khrushchev’s times.
            4. dustycat
              dustycat 27 August 2013 18: 52
              0
              Quote: sleepy
              This law provides for a significant expansion of the list of articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, according to which it will be possible to apply a special procedure for legal proceedings.

              In fact, Wasserman has already responded very impartially about the draft of this law.
              Why repeat it ?!
            5. tomas.09
              tomas.09 27 August 2013 19: 04
              -2
              Maybe getting ready to clean the rows? Chubais, Serdyukov, etc.
        2. dmb
          dmb 27 August 2013 12: 14
          10
          Being in many disagreements with your current position, I completely agree with the last comment about Beria. As for the "inheritance", then you went too far. Firstly, Stalin did not need it. Let me remind you what his entourage called him, Master. And these are by no means liberal notions. He really was in the best and worst sense of the word. And the idea he professed did not in any way imply personal enrichment. As for dachas and apartments for subordinates, they became personal only with the advent of democracy, and before that they remained state-owned. And if the retired or retired representatives of the then elite used them, then their children are by no means. As for "bleaching", if you remember, Wasserman even "bleached" Yezhov in one of his last speeches. In my opinion, everything is explained quite simply. Thus, the "fluffiness" is given to Stalin, whose image is now in demand. At the same time, gentlemen PR people unobtrusively draw parallels between Stalin and the current Guarantor. He supposedly also thinks about the Motherland. However, given that the members of the Ozero cooperative do not fit well with socialism, which was built by Stalin and his entourage, the latter are trying to give the features of a tsar. By the way, in combination with the level of education determined by the ministers appointed by the Guarantor, the action is going quite successfully
        3. smile
          smile 27 August 2013 16: 02
          +4
          domokl
          I never deified Lavrenty Pavlovich, and was not a fan of him, but I want to object: just like that, a killer of one person is better than a serial killer, and a killer of one person who saved ten, especially if he acted within the limits of the necessary defense, or causing harm preventing even more harm is still better .... And the Criminal Code confirms my opinion ... :)))
        4. rate
          rate 27 August 2013 16: 24
          +9
          I wonder what your belief is based on, that Beria is a villain? What are your sources?
        5. Ulan
          Ulan 27 August 2013 18: 23
          +7
          But this needs to be dealt with. The peak of repression occurred in the 37th year, when the head of the NKVD was Yezhov and not Beria.
          When Yezhov was ousted, Beria first began by reviewing the cases of thousands of people convicted of libel, etc. released. Tens of thousands, including such famous people as Rokossovsky, Gorbatov and others.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 27 August 2013 18: 58
            +4
            Quote: Ulan
            But this needs to be dealt with. The peak of repression occurred in the 37th year, when the head of the NKVD was Yezhov

            And the head of the Central Committee of the CPSU (B) of Ukraine was appointed Khrushchev.
            One of the duties was to sign the sentences of the triples.
            And he blamed Stalin that the Moscow comrades supposedly greatly reduced his submission for execution.
            1. Ulan
              Ulan 28 August 2013 09: 38
              +2
              He even complained about this to Stalin, to which he received an answer - "calm down d ... k ,."
          2. Asan Ata
            Asan Ata 27 August 2013 22: 53
            -2
            Millions In 1938, 1000000 people, in 1945, 1500000 people.
      2. dustycat
        dustycat 27 August 2013 18: 49
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        but he shed a lot of blood, including innocent people.

        It seems to me that Khrushchev signed more than group representations for execution than many of his contemporaries.
        And he betrayed the people far more.
        The idea of ​​more economical and careful handling of the ZK is the idea of ​​Beria.
    2. Egor.nic
      Egor.nic 27 August 2013 14: 19
      -5
      You are absolutely right, but the country began to slide into the abyss even earlier. Namely, when a handful of Bolshevik chauvinists (from 1917) for personal ideas and incited by the West (by the way very interested in the collapse and partition of Russia) sacrificed tens of millions of lives of the country's citizens, when national traditions and traditions were destroyed and replaced by bluffs, when everything was destroyed foundations, and then paid in gold for the newly created factories and hired by foreign specialists and other advisers. And all those who disagree with the great revolutionary idea and the new policy were shot or, at best, sent to concentration camps. As a result, the peasants did not receive land and do not have it until now. Workers did not receive factories and never will receive them. And those who sowed, plowed and fed half the world with bread, who knew how and created the advanced equipment of those times, who invested personal funds in factories, railways and ships, power plants and hospitals, museums and theaters, universities and parish schools, and also those who did not allow Jews to power and money in Russia were brutally destroyed or saved by immigration abroad.

      PS Wasserman’s discovery is not surprising, just like a blind kitten ... Cunning in his article is sufficient. Only the grain from the chaff must be separated skillfully reading between the lines.
      1. user
        user 27 August 2013 15: 34
        +6
        Egor.nic (1) RU Today, 14:19 PM ↑ New

        You are absolutely right, but the country began to slide into the abyss even earlier. Namely, when a handful of Bolshevik chauvinists (since 1917) for personal ideas and incited by the West

        If you follow your logic, the country has slipped into the abyss before the Bolsheviks arrived and their leader safely lived in America until the 60s in full health, the name of this person is Kerensky. Amerikosy kept him just in case like an ace up his sleeve, suddenly times will change, today they would have pulled him out
      2. Proud.
        Proud. 27 August 2013 16: 03
        +5
        Quote: Egor.nic
        but the country began to slide into the abyss even earlier. Namely, when a handful of Bolshevik chauvinists (since 1917) for personal ideas and incited by the West
        They appointed switchmen? Why don't you mention the First World War? This action quite strongly pushed the Country into the abyss. It is also worth mentioning the February events of 1917, the Bolsheviks did not take part there. Terror was also the "exclusive privilege" of the Bolsheviks? Or the Civil War, is it one-sided "Enterprise"? Wasserman is not disingenuous, but you. To enumerate and consider your theses is tiresome and long. I will focus on one.
        Quote: Egor.nic
        fed bread half the world

        No, I didn’t feed the floor of the World. On the other side of the ocean were Argentina, the USA and Canada, the largest grain suppliers. Russia supplied to Europe. But! Not even half of Europe was enough. Russian exports satisfied only about 1/16 of the foreign Europe's need for bread.
        Quote: Egor.nic
        Well, just like a blind kitten.
        Well, why are you like that. Quite sexually mature, with slightly impaired vision, "cat".
    3. Ulan
      Ulan 27 August 2013 18: 20
      +6
      That's right. It was with the advent of Khrushchev that the nomenclature became untouchable. My deceased father worked in the railway. police and said that with the advent of Khrushchev, a party or economic functionary, it was impossible to be held accountable without the consent of the district committee, city committee, regional committee, etc.
      It is permissiveness and irresponsibility that led the country to such a result.
      And with what terry color this outrage has blossomed today ... it is generally incomprehensible to the mind.
    4. dustycat
      dustycat 27 August 2013 18: 45
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      when factory directors began to own huge apartments and cottages.

      This is when these directors (and any bosses or officials) under Stalin owned apartments?
      In the apartments they lived in the state - flew out of office - rent the apartment.
      I lived to retire honestly - use while alive.
      They went to the ownership of the apartment under Khrushchev.
    5. Nick
      Nick 27 August 2013 20: 52
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      We began to lose the country when the military commanders began to export trophies by trains from Germany, when the factory directors began to own huge apartments and dachas. When the Stalinist census of inheritance fit on one sheet, and the inheritance of a hundred and first secretary of the district committee was a volume.

      Yes, JV Stalin led a rather modest life, but he very well understood the importance of moral and material incentives, for most people, moreover, he skillfully used these incentives to encourage and motivate workers to increase the efficiency of their work.
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 28 August 2013 01: 32
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      As soon as the nomenclature became untouchable (Anatol’s very correct conclusion), we began to live in front of the abyss, into which we failed successfully.


      Actually this is Ontole between the lines and outlined. Remember, under Stalin, any rank was always on the verge, anyone could be taken away for any reason. Actually, big cones were afraid of just that, but on the other hand there was an incentive - belonging to the elite with all the bonuses. Beria did not immediately The elite became untouchable.
  4. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 27 August 2013 08: 48
    13
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    Neglect and irresponsibility are the first reason for the milestones in the country.

    I’ll add the main thing here: Impunity!
  5. pinecone
    pinecone 27 August 2013 08: 57
    +4
    For the Minister of Internal Affairs, the word "overthrow" is not entirely appropriate, not a tsar after all. At one time they said "elimination", which seems to be more correct.
  6. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 27 August 2013 09: 12
    22
    Lavrenty Pavlovich was a competent man, there was one evacuation of factories beyond the Urals, there is no war, and the industry liberoid managers were thoroughly destroyed in comparison with the USSR .....
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 27 August 2013 22: 57
      +3
      Beria was responsible not only for the NKVD, but also for the entire defense industry and foreign intelligence. Largely thanks to Beria, there was something to answer Germany in 1941-1945 and the USA after 1945.
  7. Per se.
    Per se. 27 August 2013 09: 51
    20
    It is difficult to disagree with Wasserman. It is sad that Khrushchev succeeded in his "GKChP", while our unfortunate "putschists" did not have it in August 1991, perhaps because Gorbachev himself was the secret author of this GKChP. It feels like it was a farce, an imitation, and not a real desire to do something to preserve the USSR, on the contrary, a popular protest was provoked and already irrevocable collapse. One arrest of Yeltsin would close the problem. KGB chairman Kryuchkov could quietly arrest Yeltsin, who was blocked at the dacha, but, alas, he is allowed to arrive in Moscow, where people are mocked by rumbling equipment, and "climb onto an armored car." Clowns from the Emergency Committee ran to surrender to the "prisoner of Pharos". Soon, the "first president of the USSR" will meekly hand over power to the conspirators from Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and the drunkard will ruin the Soviet Union, and, next, almost Russia itself. Played out like clockwork ... Thank you for at least asking the people forgiveness in the end, unlike Gorbachev.
    1. mark021105
      mark021105 27 August 2013 21: 00
      +1
      Just yesterday I watched an interesting film about the events of August 1991.
      Recommend. Do not be lazy, just a 20-minute film.
      All on the shelves laid out. Now everyone is sprinkling ash on their heads,
      and then in the 91st ...

      http://youtu.be/Zqpq6gjYJ6s
  8. Russ69
    Russ69 27 August 2013 09: 58
    17
    It is time for Wasserman, to take Medvedev's place, there will be much more sense.

    Quote: domokl
    That's just the point. I am now reading quite frequent references to this man. And I noticed a strange thing - He is becoming more fluffy and fluffy. Not to mention bleaching. They try to convince us that the murderer of one person is better than the killer of two or three. The nonsense is that we become mathematicians.

    The thing is that, in addition to the eternal Khrushchev-liberal mantras about Beria, other aspects of his activity began to be written, and not to be tempered forever on the Gulag.
    Beria, of course, was not an angel in the flesh, but no one from the current liberals writes that the first amnesty was in 38, after the investigation of Yezhov’s affairs. None of the liberals writes that those industries that he supervised were the most effective, and he worked in the most difficult areas then.
    1. baskoy
      baskoy 27 August 2013 17: 00
      +3
      Right! Simply, it is more pleasant for someone to feel the vile and rotten Khrushchev NOODLES on the ears than to "dig" a little in the internet and compare the FACTS!
    2. Marek Rozny
      Marek Rozny 30 August 2013 10: 53
      0
      Quote: Russ69
      It is time for Wasserman, to take Medvedev's place, there will be much more sense.

      An unexpected but sensible thought. Wasserman would have made an excellent state strategist. He does not pull for the presidency (there is no proper charisma, cruelty and nationality is not the same), but as a prime minister or minister - he would be an excellent state manager.
  9. Isk1984
    Isk1984 27 August 2013 10: 10
    10
    Still, the fellow Anatoly, here is an example of a man, in the beginning he, too, like all our real and imaginary intelligentsia, in the early 90s entrusted into the myths of perestroika, about the bloody Stalin and the executioner of Beria, but in the end, using the power of his mind, he was not too lazy to study thoroughly archives, memoirs of those years of participants in the events, and one of the few now objectively assesses the events of that era, though now it has become an outcast in the liberal environment, since its arguments are hard to refute, they are not often invited to programs where they should kick Stalin again, Svanidze is really afraid of broadcasting him on his program, Solovyov only admits him and then only occasionally ...
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 27 August 2013 10: 25
      0
      Quote: Isk1984
      Still well done Anatoly

      And I began to doubt ... Not long ago, but I became.
      My comment above, to "Domokles" joined.
      "Domoklu" "+".
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 27 August 2013 10: 54
        11
        Quote: Isk1984
        "All the same, well done Anatoly, here is an example of a person, in the beginning he too
        as all of our real and imaginary intelligentsia in the early 90s entrusted
        into the myths of perestroika, about the bloody Stalin and the executioner Beria, but in the end, using the power of his mind, he was not too lazy to thoroughly study the archives ... "


        A. Wasserman does not really believe that he knew anything, and only recently
        "... using the power of my mind, I was not too lazy to thoroughly study the archives, the memories of those years of the participants in the events, and one of the few now objectively evaluates the events of that era ..."

        If he studied the archives - then please let him upload information from the archives, the memoirs of the participants, and not write praise.

        And about Beria without A. Wasserman they write in more detail.

        The name Beria is primarily associated with repression.
        The simplest question: when were the "Beria repressions"?
        For the notorious "37th year" is the then chief of the NKVD Comrade Yezhov.
        Even the expression was - "hedgehogs".
        Post-war repressions were also carried out when Beria didn’t work in organs,
        and when he arrived there in 1953, the first thing he did was to stop them.
        "Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR No. 0068" On the prohibition of the use of any measures of coercion and physical pressure against arrested persons. " April 4, 1953
        http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/documents/order0068.htm


        When there were "Beria rehabilitation" - this is clearly recorded in history.
        And “Beria’s repressions” is a pure product of “black PR”.

        "Having accepted the NKVD, Beria was faced with the fact: in his department there were
        hundreds of arrested scientists and designers whose work is simply
        the country needs to be cut.

        As it is now fashionable to say - feel yourself Commissar!
        Before you lies the case. This person may be to blame, or may be innocent, but he is necessary. What to do? Write: “Free,” showing subordinates an example of lawlessness of the opposite property? Check things out?
        Yes, of course, but you have a closet in which 600 thousand cases.
        In fact, for each of them it is necessary to conduct a second investigation,
        but there are no frames. If we are talking about already convicted, we must also achieve the abolition of the sentence. Where to start? With scientists? With the military?
        And time goes on, people are sitting, the war is getting closer ...

        Beria quickly oriented. Already 10 January 1939, he signs an order to organize the Special Technical Bureau. The research topics are purely military: aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, shells, armor steel. From the experts of these industries, sitting in prisons, formed the whole group.

        When the opportunity turned up, Beria tried to free these people. For example, on May 25, 1940, the aircraft designer Tupolev was sentenced to 15 years in camps, and in the summer he was released under an amnesty.
        A large group of developers of military equipment released
        in the summer of 1941, another one - in 1943, the rest got freedom
        from 1944 to 1948 ... "
        http://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/432101.html
        1. Russ69
          Russ69 27 August 2013 12: 05
          +4
          Quote: sleepy
          The name Beria is primarily associated with repression. The simplest question: when were the "Beria repressions"? For the notorious "37th year" meets the then chief of the NKVD comrade Yezhov. Even the expression was - "hedgehogs".

          I will add ...
          If you look at the number of "repressed", by years, then the peak fell on 37 years (40,000 people), i.e. times of Yezhov. At 38, when Beria became the people's commissar already 20.000. And then 4-5 thousand.
          For comparison, more than 7000 corruption cases have been filed this year. But now, how many of them will reach the real date is already a question ...

          Here everything is laid out in digits clearly.
          http://stalinism.ru/repressii/kakovyi-masshtabyi-stalinskih-repressiy.html
  10. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 27 August 2013 10: 27
    13
    By the way, ten years ago he wrote about this in the book of Stalin. the ice throne. recommend. no liberal manure.
    1. Proud.
      Proud. 27 August 2013 16: 06
      +1
      Quote: Panikovsky
      bushkov

      Yeah. And also Elena Prudnikov - "The Last Knight of Stalin".
  11. Vasia kruger
    Vasia kruger 27 August 2013 10: 30
    +4
    Anatoly said everything correctly, as always.
  12. sleepy
    sleepy 27 August 2013 10: 33
    10
    The first step towards the destruction of the country was the death of I.V. Stalin.
    Quite a lot has been written about Stalin, but recently, more and more often, another crime has been attributed to him.
    Unfortunately, the picture did not load, so only the text.

    "No, Stalin was wrong with that,
    That he hung the enemies of the people
    he is sinful in the eyes of men
    The fact that he hung them a little. "


    And the Stalin’s praise from the press is alarming,
    buses with quotes of Stalin on the streets - all this in the country,
    where to play snowballs on the Champ de Mars without permission is fraught,
    but it’s impossible to quote the Constitution.
    Buying Interior Ministry bombs and armored vehicles - is it against whom?
    And then they will say - "you yourself wanted."
  13. I'm Russian
    I'm Russian 27 August 2013 11: 01
    16
    There can hardly be another character in Soviet history, slandered as Beria was slandered. Khrushchev’s PR people depicted this outstanding statesman as a blunt redneck and a maniac. However, the man who took his place in the Kremlin had no other choice. If Khrushchev had not presented his predecessor as a fiend of hell, he would have had to answer too much ...
  14. lexe
    lexe 27 August 2013 11: 02
    -7
    "The first step to the destruction of the country was the overthrow and murder of Lawrence Beria"

    it was already the 2nd step.A 1st step was already taken by Lavrenty himself ... when he decided to quietly move his cartridge (there is such a version).
    So it was already in 1917. Those who are in the shade come to replace one.
    The cure against this is only one clear understanding of the elite of its goals and objectives for at least 100 years in advance. And this is possible only with a purely nationalist goal setting — work for a specific people (peoples) and not for mythical classes. When it does, the elite will understand. ..step to the left or back and the inevitable answer is the ax of the Russian peasant.
    In the meantime, goals and objectives are blurred ... officials will do what they love, corruption.
    But didn’t Khrush pick up the ingenious personnel officer of all time, Comrade Stalin?
    So the article is minus (democracy damn laughing ) - explained above why. Although I respect Wasserman, I can't help but note that Anatoly "stroked" the man who filled Stalin (except for him there was no one else) laughing
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 27 August 2013 11: 17
      -4
      Quote: Lexi
      "... the man who flunked (except for him there was no one else) Stalin."


      This, in my opinion, was described in detail by Suvorov (Rezun).

      The Internet can also be found on the topic of Beria.
      "On June 226, 1953, three tank regiments stationed near Moscow received
      order of the Minister of Defense - to load ammunition and enter the capital.
      The motorized rifle division received the same order. Two air divisions
      and the formation of jet bombers was ordered in full
      combat readiness to wait for an order on a possible bombardment of the Kremlin.
      Subsequently, a version of all these preparations was announced:
      Minister of the Interior Beria was preparing a coup d'etat, which was to be prevented; Beria himself was arrested, tried and shot ...
      ... he was an executioner and a sex maniac. Everything else has been removed from history.
      So it’s even strange: why did Stalin endure near this useless
      and a grim figure? Was he afraid or what? "

      http://aloban75.livejournal.com/278526.html
      1. Veter
        Veter 27 August 2013 12: 24
        +8
        Quote: sleepy
        This, in my opinion, was described in detail by Suvorov (Rezun).

        he is also a historian ...
    2. lexe
      lexe 27 August 2013 22: 08
      0
      Again, supporters of Wasserman silently but toughly pass! laughing
      Well, prove that Beria was not involved in Stalin's premature departure? My opinion is that a possible sharp turn of Stalin’s policy frightened Beria. Lavrenty Pavlovich knew very well how his predecessors had finished at the moment of past political shifts. Frightened ... you can understand, tried to survive .After all, the power of the gray cardinal was enormous.
      It is clear that Beria stood out against the background of the entire elite of Stalin-a man was outstanding.
      But that in all of Russia there is no outstanding person by the name of Petrov or Sidorov!
  15. sigdoc
    sigdoc 27 August 2013 11: 06
    +1
    The first step was the Leningrad affair, the destruction of a large number of experienced managers and the prohibition of the RSFSR to have its own party defending the interests of its republic, which could not allow it to tear huge territories from itself for transfer to other republics
  16. makst83
    makst83 27 August 2013 11: 09
    +7
    As always, he looks at the root and speaks the truth of the most Russian of the Jews, Onotolle!))) Article FATY PLUSER!
  17. individual
    individual 27 August 2013 11: 22
    +3
    Historians write that Beria assumed a different economy of the development of the USSR, but to assume what he would change and what not to "guess on the coffee grounds."
    What the GKChP suggested was also based on the assumption "they wanted the best ...!"
  18. Ross
    Ross 27 August 2013 11: 39
    11
    Quote: Strezhevchanin
    I suspect that if Lavrenty Pavlovich stayed at his post with his team, then a lot of goals would have flown automatically, including Khrushchev, many people were interested in his early departure and I suspect that an enormous amount of information about some Central Committee leaders!

    Books are already being written about this.
    Khrushchev introduced equalization in the national economy and destroyed Stalin's idea of ​​creating a parallel Bretton Woods Russian international system of the Golden Ruble. Stalin had the second half of the World and a US-like gold reserve. The Rothschilds could not tolerate this.
  19. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 27 August 2013 11: 56
    +9
    Then my colleagues flashed that, perhaps, some forces are trying to use Wasserman (who is very respected by me) for stuffing some "opinions", for the subsequent study of the reaction of society.
    Maybe so. Although unlikely. Most likely, a person voices his very sound thoughts that arise on an unconventional assessment of what has happened (what is happening).

    Article - plus, Anatolia - good
  20. Veter
    Veter 27 August 2013 12: 14
    +6
    The murder of Beria is the second. The first is the killing of Stalin
  21. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 August 2013 12: 47
    +4
    Mr. Wasserman sings foldingly)))) And when I was an anti-Stalinist and now when I turned over to a Stalinist (I won’t be surprised if I turn around a couple more times ...) Guys, don’t hang too much my ears !!! negative
  22. pensioner
    pensioner 27 August 2013 13: 00
    +2
    Its first consequence was the ban on intelligence services to monitor managers.
    Of course, disagreeing with Wasserman is ungrateful, but in Soviet times, production managers were very tightly controlled by party organs. Well, and therefore - under the control of the KGB. At least in the 70s. I know firsthand ... Nothing could be hidden. Neither in personal life, nor in production activities.
    1. My address
      My address 27 August 2013 14: 29
      +3
      Good afternoon, Yuri!
      Our director was afraid of the party committee. But he especially didn’t like bureau calls. In violation of the statistics often fell ill just then. Then the main was blown away. The bureau had party organizing divisions where there were a lot of principals. And the protocols went to the city committee.
      Congratulations on your title!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 27 August 2013 15: 20
        +2
        Good afternoon, Alexander!
        Quote: My address
        In violation of statistics, he often fell ill just then.
        Nothing strange! A trivial allergy ... Or a tremor?
  23. Bosk
    Bosk 27 August 2013 13: 04
    +7
    Earlier in the USSR, PARADISE was everywhere, PARADISE, RAYSOVET, RAYSOBES, and now only the Administration. And if on a serious note, then really "the head rots from the head," so the Union was ruined by bureaucrats, but this is not a reason to fall into depression, because in the history of our state this has already happened and sooner or later a new Union will appear, and as history shows .. .-stronger than the previous one. And this moment in history wakes up a lesson for the future.
  24. pinecone
    pinecone 27 August 2013 13: 44
    -2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Mr. Wasserman sings foldingly)))) And when I was an anti-Stalinist and now when I turned over to a Stalinist (I won’t be surprised if I turn around a couple more times ...) Guys, don’t hang too much my ears !!! negative


    I agree.
  25. Veter
    Veter 27 August 2013 13: 51
    +3
    Quote: Bosk
    . And this moment of history is a lesson for the future.

    Unfortunately, we do not take into account the mistakes of history
  26. My address
    My address 27 August 2013 14: 07
    +5
    On the party level cadres of the district committee of the city committee.
    We in the city committee in 70-x left a good, only one engineer-manager. He pushed the new director for his principles. When I returned at the end of 80, they did not recognize: the principle of the tongue was licked by a cow; smoothed out sharp corners; expertly advised how to wriggle out of almost any situation. But did not become a scoundrel. In the factory committee (on the rights of the district committee) and in the district committee of the CPSU, balabols left, but they did not take such workers in the factory committee. Yes, and who is the normal go to the paper-speaking work? I saw the most business-only in the party organizers of the shops, where they went only under a pistol and only for two or three years.

    About Beria.
    I met a little with those who worked in closed "boxes". They spoke very carefully and vaguely about Beria. And who saw him and younger. Not scolded. And this was during the Brezhnev and subsequent times, when Beria was labeled as a devil of hell. I asked about his cannibalism, and diplomatically around the bush. I, dunak, ask again, but I'm okay again.
  27. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 27 August 2013 14: 46
    +7
    I don’t know, I see the situation like this:

    Yours! hi
    1. old man54
      old man54 27 August 2013 23: 53
      0
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      I don’t know, I see the situation like this:

      the picture is good, correct, but they didn’t draw the right picture behind it! Hitler is a fighter for the happiness of his people against the dominance of the blatant Saxons and Zionist Jews in our world! Well, he fought very hard, like a bastard and inhuman, yes! But here it was necessary to draw a Jewish Orthodox, with pace, because they have long been and almost from the west pull the strings, the puppeteers! angry And by the way, Hitler knew this of course, so he wanted to deal with the people like that, in general, even with the peace, through the concentration camp stoves!
      hi
  28. zub46
    zub46 27 August 2013 14: 58
    +7
    I confirm that, in accordance with Instruction No. 20 of 1964, it was strictly forbidden to develop the nomenclature under agents, starting with the first secretary of the district party committee. For figures of a lower rank, but included in the regional Nomenclature, it was possible to work, having previously informed and with the permission of the first secretary of the RK CPSU. In this way, Khrushchev forever removed the ruling elite from the control of the NKVD-MVD-KGB. According to the stories of the old people, LP Beria, in addition to everything, was simply dealt with, chopping off information about the initiators of the "execution lists" and so on and so forth ... The main competitor, a talented personality.
    Until now, I am sorry for the member of the State Emergency Committee, Minister of Internal Affairs of the USSR Pugo. Although he was not a professional in this work, he proved himself to be an excellent, intelligent person in our circles. I saw him for 6-8 hours before the suicide: as always he was attentive, restrained, polite ... It's a pity.
  29. Vtel
    Vtel 27 August 2013 15: 03
    -5
    "Being from August 22, 1938, Deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Commissar of the State Security NI Yezhov, B. put into effect the order of the People's Commissar No. 00447 of July 30, 1937, according to which countless numbers of people were convicted and shot ROC clerics ("churchmen"), equated in this order with counter-revolutionaries, saboteurs and recidivist criminals. Repressions against believers and clergy continued in subsequent years, during which Beria was at the head of the state security organs. " The author sings sweetly, sees his own from afar. A good manager does not mean that he is a good person.

    A good book about this is http://www.hrono.ru/libris/lib_u/ushkuy_pam.php
    1. smile
      smile 27 August 2013 16: 26
      +4
      Vtel
      You know, it is the mention of "uncountability" that casts doubt on the credibility of such statements. As well as the mention of millions of executed clergymen ... From such books a mile away stinks of Solzhenitsovism ... yes, many of them were repressed ... by the way, some of them are for the cause ... but the scale of these repressions is some exaggerate by a couple of orders of magnitude ... in general, the attitude of the Church towards Stalin is well illustrated by the statements and numerous interviews of Vsevolod Chaplin, and it is far from being entirely negative ..
      1. My address
        My address 27 August 2013 21: 04
        +3
        Vladimir!
        I ask you to look at my comment above, 14hour 07min. The uncertainty of the answers to my harassment is most likely due to the fact that it is impossible to say good things, but they either do not know the bad, or there were ordinary little things. I started working as a worker and I know that any boss will have two stories for minuses. I was especially touched by the statement of one lady about Beria’s personal participation in the torture of her relatives in Lubyanka in 37. And then I already knew a little the way of life of Beria. Apparently they took a video camera and transferred it to her after half a century. And what he worked at this time in Transcaucasia was a trifle - he flew in to Boeing to make fun and back. Well, at least not accused of selling Alaska. Sorry, I don’t remember the source, but in 87-98 there was a lot of such nasty things.
        1. smile
          smile 27 August 2013 23: 49
          +2
          My address
          thanks for the advice, but he was late, I read it a long time ago and clicked the legal plus sign ... :))))
          I completely agree with both your comment and this. And the brechology that appeared in our country from 85-6 years, I myself ate above the roof, and just happy that the people began to sober up ... :)))
    2. dustycat
      dustycat 27 August 2013 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: Vtel
      Being since Aug 22 1938 deputy People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR, Commissar of the GB N. I. Yezhov, B. enforced the order of the People's Commissar No. 00447 of July 30, 1937, according to which an uncountable number of clergymen of the Russian Orthodox Church ("clergy") were convicted and executed.

      That's just why the second wave of the collision on the Russian Orthodox Church came for some reason at the coming of Khrushchev to power ...
      By the way, during the arrival of Khrushchev as the first secretary of the Central Committee of Ukraine, clergy got worse than the entire population. And the churches in Ukraine he blew most of all in the country at that time ..
  30. Powder donut
    Powder donut 27 August 2013 15: 22
    +4
    Control, control, control, and so on a thousand times. Only this will save the country from another fall. If the executive, legislative and judicial powers are left without supervision, there will again be many troubles. Stalin built a strong state capable of becoming a leader in the world, I would even say able to take over the world, and not even by military means. And hell, it was the officials who destroyed the USSR that I really do not want, so that in 40-80 years we would have trouble again.
  31. optimist
    optimist 27 August 2013 16: 02
    +2
    Something dear forum users lost sight of the first part of the topic (article). GKChP. This "performance" became the final chord of the collapse of the USSR. It is already clear that there was only one goal here: to scare the peoples of the USSR and the leadership of the Union republics with the "ghost of totalitarianism" and finally make a capitalist coup. The only question remains: did the GKChP members know about the true goal, or were they simply used "in the dark", later made scapegoats?
  32. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 27 August 2013 16: 06
    +4
    It’s just that for some reason Stalin and Beria did not have any Trotskyist and anti-Soviet scum. In the future, I hope we will take into account these shortcomings and we will not leave any of the enemies of the people alive.
  33. Russkiy_Prapor
    Russkiy_Prapor 27 August 2013 16: 15
    +3
    And here's another thing: if Putin does not want to repeat the fate of Comrade Stalin, then yesterday it was necessary to start shooting the deputy bastard, officials, all kinds of Chubais and Serdyukov there. Anyway, it's time to tie up with shit democracy and fagots. It’s time to try the duo ship system on the enemy’s manpower in the face of the proliferating enemies of the people.
  34. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 27 August 2013 16: 37
    11
    For one, only, "Atomic project" LP Beria must bow at his feet - on that and now our state is holding on.
    I don’t want to mention the “Khrushcha”, the “Victory Marshal”, offended for the disgrace, “fought back” on Beria.
    If without emotion, and the attraction of the history of the country cleaned up by Khrushchev and Co., I can’t say anything bad about the hero of the article.
    hi
  35. Renat
    Renat 27 August 2013 16: 38
    +2
    I absolutely agree with the author about who was actually the criminal at that fateful moment.
  36. Ragoz
    Ragoz 27 August 2013 16: 41
    0
    The collapse of the USSR began with Khrushchev, who in one person personified both Yagoda and Yezhov, and even distributed the territory of the RSFSR to anyone.
  37. gregor6549
    gregor6549 27 August 2013 16: 54
    -3
    The collapse of the country began much earlier, namely when the “group of comrades”, who had taken the ownerless power into their very skillful hands, did not know how to dispose of this power so that not only them, but the whole country would feel good.
    Since then, this ignorance has continued and the end is not visible to him.
    And the elimination of Beria is just an attempt by some party comrades to push other comrades-in-arms out of the tub, to wash off their dirty clothes soaked in the blood of their own people and to pour dirt on others.
    I must say that in the case of Beria, the attempt was quite successful, although not for all who tried it, it ended successfully.
    And we are all looking for traitors under the bed, not noticing that they looked and look at us from portraits.
    And although portraits change from time to time, the process itself and its results are unchanged. It’s just that some portraits are delayed in public for longer, while others are removed almost immediately after they appear. The cycle of portraits in nature, so to speak. Like kicking the originals with boots immediately after taking their portraits. Dialectics-s.
    And then her writer with a simple Russian surname Wasserman can not comprehend (or does not want). It is conveniently visible to him to be especially close to the yard (sorry, to the trough)
  38. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 27 August 2013 17: 28
    +3
    I thought it was Gorbachev, Yeltsin, but it turned out to be the damned Beria!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 27 August 2013 18: 47
      +5
      Quote: Anatole Klim
      I thought it was Gorbachev, Yeltsin, but it turned out to be the damned Beria!

      Of course, Beria is to blame for everything, why did he let himself be killed. It would be better if he killed Khrushchev.
  39. Technologist
    Technologist 27 August 2013 18: 26
    +2
    Quote: domokl
    when plant directors began to own huge apartments and dachas. When the Stalinist census of inheritance fit on one sheet, and the legacy of some one hundred and first secretary of the district committee was a volume.

    That's right, a new "white bone" began to appear, and the common people began to turn into. Here it is - the reason for the emergence of corruption, family ties, etc. Under Beria, this would hardly have worked, Andropov had taken it, but it’s a pity he didn’t have time, well, or they didn’t have time.
  40. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 27 August 2013 18: 44
    +2
    Even such a "great expert" as Vaserman is not able to determine the point of the report of the collapse of the SSR ..... this is a confluence of many events and factors, including subjective, and therefore unpredictable
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 27 August 2013 19: 46
      0
      The reference point of a person’s death begins with his birth, with the countries it’s probably the same, ........ beautifully said, it’s a pity that I didn’t say .....
  41. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 27 August 2013 18: 44
    +3
    I emphasize that we are talking about the degeneration of not people, but of the apparatus. Regardless of whether the people of this device are smart, its very device led to the fact that these people were unable to take active and useful actions. People who got into the state apparatus, actively disaccustomed to do something. In my opinion, with the current apparatus, although for somewhat different reasons, similar processes occur.

    People who got into the apparatus during the time of Khrushchev - Gorbachev - Yeltsin did not work, but to monitor the mood of their bosses, learned to please and not take initiative.
    Fortunately, in the USSR, in addition to all apparatuses, there were also branch ministries in which there were practically no profane and thieves, because the plan had to be implemented.
    And now the whole apparatus is completely ignoramuses and thieves, there are no plans in the Russian Federation and no one evaluates their work based on the results. Not only are they all ignoramuses and idiots, they are also cowards who are afraid to put their signature without the direct instruction or approval of a superior, even within the framework of their authority.
    1. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 27 August 2013 23: 21
      +2
      No, there were pros. I knew Auelbekov Erkyn Nurzhanovich, a member of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the most honest was a man. Silverless, he lived very modestly, worked 24 hours a day. He led the regions of the Kazakh SSR, where he came, everyone moaned. For example, he was the first to identify collective farms with the help of aerial photographs - they sowed more land, reported for less. When everything fell apart, he left for his native collective farm to raise and save the collective farm commune. And he left - without crouching for a minute.
  42. DZ_98_B
    DZ_98_B 27 August 2013 19: 10
    -1
    Nearly easily you change your beliefs, Mr. Wasserman. it’s easy and I don’t like it!
  43. Makarov
    Makarov 27 August 2013 19: 37
    0
    If he did not know a constantly nosed official, he might not have turned it around, and so there is ....
  44. VadimSt
    VadimSt 27 August 2013 19: 39
    0
    Wasserman may be a good programmer and a successful participant in the game "The smartest", but the popularization of his opinions as a political scientist is like some PR.

    It is difficult to understand a person who has come to understanding his own errors for more than two decades. Two years ago, regarding the GKChP, he claimed: -
    "On the streets, I (already well known from the Brain Ring program) were asked several times what would happen, and I invariably answered:" If they live until Monday, we will not survive them. "


    In fact, the first step in the direction that ultimately led to the destruction was taken on June 26 of the 1953 of the year when Khrushchev, with the support of Zhukov, organized a coup d'etat with the overthrow and assassination of the actual successor of Stalin, Lavrenty Pavlovich Beria.


    What a coup, what is the reason for the assertion that Beria was the actual successor of Stalin? The fact that he is the first deputy of SovMin ???
    Brad!

    If anyone was sitting, it was the Presidium of the CPSU Central Committee, not authorized to make such decisions.


    You are mistaken, Mr. Wasserman, read Article 6 of the Constitution of the USSR: - "The leading and guiding force of Soviet society, the core of its political system, state and public organizations is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union." Moreover, according to the Rules of the CPSU, the Central Committee of the CPSU directed the work of the central state and public organizations, working through the party groups in them ...! Maybe Mr. Wasserman will give an example of a statesman without a party card?
    Maybe at all congresses the issue of personnel policy was not the main issue?

    It’s just that in the country really, at that moment, there was no LEADER anymore. A leader capable of not only picking up power, which Yeltsin, Kravchuk and Shushkevich only wanted, but also to restore order in the country.
  45. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 27 August 2013 19: 39
    0
    What worries me in this article is that Mr. Wasserman, only twenty years later, through the titanic efforts of his mind, realized that the GKChPists were not guilty and did not violate more than one law ....... I thought he was smarter, because the GKChP members are not I became aware of the guilty within a year or two, I don’t remember exactly, the court acquitted ALL of them, and General Varenikov also won a lawsuit to defend honor and dignity ........ and he had been racking his brains for twenty years instead of benefit apply ..... Although personally I was an ardent opponent of the Emergency Committee, at that time .....
    1. washi
      washi 27 August 2013 20: 25
      0
       NOBODY EXCEPT US  Today, 19:39 New
      What worries me in this article is that Mr. Wasserman, only twenty years later, through the titanic efforts of his mind, realized that the GKChPists were not guilty and did not violate more than one law ....... I thought he was smarter, because the GKChP members are not I became aware of the guilty within a year or two, I don’t remember exactly, the court acquitted ALL of them, and General Varenikov also won a lawsuit to defend honor and dignity ........ and he had been racking his brains for twenty years instead of benefit apply ..... Although personally I was an ardent opponent of the Emergency Committee, at that time .....
      Read the disciplinary charter. Discipline must be conscious. If a Man, from the former, EVERYTHING realized ... I believe that the state that Comrade Stalin built was entitled to exist. I ask you not to confuse it with the Trotskyists and other perverts who took power after the assassination of Stalin.
  46. washi
    washi 27 August 2013 20: 18
    0
    I have already stated my opinion, in another thread, about Malenkov. Beria under the supervision of Stalin - one man. Without supervision, he began to fail. He is a performer.
    Stalin is a bad person. T.K. did not bring up a receiver (although all the candidates were immediately killed (starting from Kirov), he didn’t publicize in advance to all citizens his report (separation of party and state) and the request for exemption from party work. At the 19th Congress Through newspapers and radio. who killed him anyway.
  47. AlexP47
    AlexP47 27 August 2013 21: 24
    +1
    After the death of the "leader of all nations," the nomenklatura wanted to "relax" a little: the Stalinist system kept officials in constant "tone". Plus the generals decided to get even for the pre-war repressions. And Beria was just that "motivator". Here is Lawrence Palych ... and ... that .. Although, it is not known where we would have come under his leadership, he retained the power. Of course, against the background of the current spineless government and the complete impunity of today's "effective" managers, many people miss the "strong hand", but you must admit that the country cannot live forever in a "besieged fortress" regime. Some kind of middle ground is needed here.

    I apologize for the chaotic presentation of the topic.
  48. Black
    Black 27 August 2013 22: 44
    +2
    The country was doomed to madness in 17, when the Bolsheviks turned America inside out with American money. Everything else is both a bad and a good consequence.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 August 2013 19: 14
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      Quote: Chen
      The country was doomed to madness in 17, when the Bolsheviks turned America inside out with American money. Everything else is both a bad and a good consequence.

      America’s money was received not by the Bolsheviks, but by the Social Revolutionaries, who turned Russia inside out. The Bolsheviks turned Russia back, possibly with German money.
      This can be easily verified, even by glancing briefly at the history of the civil war.
      Kerensky was a Socialist-Revolutionary, in the headquarters of Yudenich, Denikin and Kolchak the Socialist-Revolutionaries prevailed.
      Kolchak gave Russian gold to the Yankees.
      The Socialist-Revolutionary rebellions in 1918 were carried out with American and English money. In time, they ideally coincided with the intervention of Finland, England and the USA.
      The preparations for the assassination of Lenin and the Soviet government in 1918 (the Lockhart-Reilly plot) were funded by the British and Americans.
      So do not believe the lies, believe the facts.
  49. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 27 August 2013 23: 32
    +4
    Actually, when reading about Beria, you understand that turning Khrushchev into a sexual killer-killer of a man, whom the country owes much to his development, was to his advantage. This corn man broke the backbone of Soviet ideology, worshiping capitalism. All those cadres who further led the USSR walked along the beaten path and came to 1991. And, characteristically, in 1965, first-graders, by order of teachers, ripped out his portrait from the alphabet on the first page, spat on it and threw it into the urn. Not as painful as Beria, but a rather nasty end. It is strange that he did not find any ranch somewhere in Oklahoma, like Gorbatom.
  50. So_o_tozh
    So_o_tozh 28 August 2013 00: 27
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    I watched somehow the transfer about archives, and so one historian took 1 volume with documents signed by Lenin and Stalin for a couple of days home and don’t be fool handed over for examination. The result is like this: some of the most important pages are very skillful fake plus artificially aged. So I think you can guess on the coffee grounds as much as you like, and our service, which never sleeps, has probably already destroyed the truth a long time ago. The same Rezun wrote that the disclosure dates for 2 MB have long been released and nothing is available, plus many archives are excluded from the law on archives. Hence the conclusion that everything that was artificially made such as the USSR, artificially collapsed. The state can only develop naturally, all revolutions only lead to the collapse of the USSR cheat and demonstrated.
    1. South
      South 28 August 2013 00: 38
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      all right, add no add
    2. Ulan
      Ulan 28 August 2013 09: 01
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      Rezun said nonsense. Dozens of historians work in archives. The same Isaev, Pykhalov, Martirosyan, Shirokorad, Meltiukhov, and others. Rezun said this because archival documents often refute his writings.
      Because he invented the excuse that ALL archives are closed.
      A very convenient position, I know that it definitely is, but the documents on this issue are still closed.
      Then the question is, how do you know? From Baba Mani from the bazaar?. That's the way Rezun composes his stories.
      Of course, not all documents are open, but such is the practice in all countries. England, contrary to its own laws, has already extended the term several times according to documents in the Hess case.
      But a huge array of documents on the Second World War has been declassified for a long time and a lot of historians use it.
      Lies Rezun as always. smile
    3. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 28 August 2013 18: 58
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      Quote: So_o_tozh
      I watched somehow the transfer about archives, and so one historian took 1 volume with documents signed by Lenin and Stalin for a couple of days home and don’t be fool handed over for examination. The result is like this: some of the most important pages are very skillful fake plus artificially aged. So I think you can guess on the coffee grounds as much as you like, and our service, which never sleeps, has probably already destroyed the truth. The same Rezun wrote that the disclosure dates for 2 MB have long been released and nothing is available, plus many archives are excluded from the law on archives.

      You confuse different concepts.
      There is a state archive in which there are no secret documents. The historian is lying, they don’t give anyone documents from the state archive to the house, although of course you can copy or steal. In many state archives for a small fee, you can order copies of documents. Most likely the historian, if one existed, fired home copies.
      There are or were departmental archives of the secret services, the Central Committee of the CPSU and various departments, ministries and enterprises, they mostly contain documents for official use, secret and owls. secret. These archives are accessible only to their employees who have passed the reliability test.
      Only classified and authorized employees have the right to classify and declassify documents in official and departmental archives.
      Each document has a storage period, after which it is either declassified and transferred to the state archive, or destroyed, in accordance with the regulations of the service or department.
      Unauthorized destruction of documents without an authorized commission in the USSR was almost impossible. In the 90s, when services and ministries were liquidated, everything was possible and the destruction of archives, and selling them to enemies and making fakes instead of the originals.