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Appeal to retirees of all law enforcement agencies

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Comrades!
I decided to write this appeal in order to unite the efforts of pensioners of all power structures in upholding our social rights and freedoms in the matter of the procedure for calculating pensions, which, with 01.01.2012, were brazenly impaired and violated. Many state organizations, officials, who to some extent should be the guarantors of compliance with the Constitution of the Russian Federation, the laws of the Russian Federation, human rights and freedoms of a person and a citizen, would be obliged, in their official position and status, to protect the rule of law and the interests of citizens, on the path of concealing legal violations and selective application of the letter of the law to various categories of citizens.
The Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation fenced off from the pensioners who received the status of a pensioner before 01.01.2012, the apparatus of their officials and do not see, do not hear our problems with which we address them.
Therefore, only by uniting our efforts in the struggle for the observance by officials, by the power of the Constitution of the Russian Federation and the letter of the law, can we defend our social rights. Moreover, the development practice of the country and society "in a democratic direction" has shown that the state in many areas of social security is eliminating itself from the fulfillment of its obligations to citizens, including and from retirees of a number of law enforcement agencies.
At the end of 2011, the elected representatives of the State Duma, the Council of the Federation of the Russian Federation voted, and the President of the Russian Federation signed the Federal Law of the Russian Federation on 19.07.2011 N N 247-ФЗ "On social guarantees to employees of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation and on the introduction of amendments to certain legislative acts of the Russian Federation" and Federal Law of the Russian Federation on 08.11.2011, N 309-FZ "On Amendments to Certain Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation and Recognition of Certain Provisions of Legislative Acts of the Russian Federation Invalidation
by the adoption of the Federal Law “On the monetary allowance for military personnel and the provision of separate payments to them”.
These laws, in violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, international agreements (contracts) and other laws of the Russian Federation, cut our previously earned pensions by 01.01.2012% from 46 by introducing a decreasing coefficient 0,54 and lowering the maximum percentage premium for years of service from 70% to 40%.
However, one can clearly understand the illegitimacy of their actions; the power “graciously” allowed itself to return these 46% pension stolen from us in 23 years, prescribing in the law "... the money allowance taken into account when calculating pensions since 1 January 2013 of the year increases by 2 percent annually until 100 percent its size. " That is, the developers of the above federal laws, people's deputies and our Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces offer us, in addition, to live to see the 2035 year, and only then will the government pay us a full pension.
And how can we do this, especially for those who are already 01.01.2012-t up to 60 and more years old, if today the average subsistence age of a man in Russia is 59-60 years? By such actions, the legislators, the state deliberately doomed us to a short stay before receiving an 100% pension, which is estimated in the world community as genocide (the deliberate creation of life conditions calculated for full or partial physical destruction).
The question is, why pensioners from among the judges, prosecutors, investigators and other federal civil servants can not wait for 23 year?
By applying the reduction factor 0,54 only to our pension-forming base and lowering the monthly allowance for long service to salary from 70% to 40%, lawmakers violated article 55 (part 2) of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where it is said that laws should not be passed in the Russian Federation, abolishing or derogating human and civil rights and freedoms.
This is confirmed by part 1 Art. 4 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation, where it is said that “Acts of civil legislation are not retroactive and apply to relations that arose after they were put into effect ...”.
The references of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation, other courts and officials to the fact that our pensions have increased in absolute terms in rubles are untenable and lead us away from the letter of the law. As before, and now, the pension legislation in relation to persons serving in the military, serving in the internal affairs bodies, the State Fire Service, the narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances control agencies, institutions and bodies of the penitentiary system, and their families, does not stipulate the amount of the pension in a specific amount, expressed in rubles, but sets it as a percentage of the salary of the monetary allowance. This means that the decrease from 01.01.2012 of this ratio (quality) is a derogation of the rights we have already acquired in accordance with the previous legislation, even if in absolute terms (in rubles) the amount of the pension has increased.
Until 1 January 2012 of the year (the date of enactment of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation on 19.07.2011, N 247-FZ and the Federal Law of the Russian Federation on 08.11.2011,
No. 309-FZ) all retirees of security agencies were in the same situation - the monetary allowance when calculating the pension, was taken into account in the amount - 100%.
However, the legislative bodies, in accordance with Part 6 of Article 12 of the Federal Law of the Russian Federation No. 08.11.2011-FZ from 309, did not apply the reduction factor 0,54 to the pension-forming base in relation to the judges of the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation and military courts, prosecutors (including military the military prosecutor’s office) and the staff of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation (including the military investigative bodies of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation), retirees from among these persons and their family members. Nor did these navations apply to a number of federal states.
state civil servants from the office of the President, the Government of the Russian Federation and other state structures, even when they were transferred to salaries corresponding to military posts.
These same legislators and authorities violated the principle of equality established by Article XXUM of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, where it says “Everyone is equal before the law and the court. The state guarantees equality of rights and freedoms of a person and citizen, regardless of gender, race, nationality, language, origin, property official position, place of residence, attitude to religion, belief, membership in public associations, as well as other circumstances.Any form of limiting the rights of citizens on the grounds of social, racial, national oh, linguistic or religious affiliation. " And the category of federal civil servants was officially divided into “whites” and “blacks”. More "white" turned out to be those federal civil servants who perform their official duties in the quiet of offices, sitting in chairs, and not who weapons in the hands and at the risk of life, provided and ensures order, security, territorial integrity of the state.
Our letters, complaints, appeals, including and to the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation to the President of the Russian Federation, they did not bring the expected results. All correspondence on this issue is posted on the website "Military pensioners for Russia and its Armed Forces2 http://militariorg.ucoz.ru/publ/pozdravlenija/8 We just do not want to hear.
At the moment, there is an opportunity to bring our problems to the State Duma of the Russian Federation through the Russian Social Initiative state website and the People’s Initiative Communist Party of the Russian Federation.
On the Russian Public Initiative website, you need to collect 23.07.2014 100 votes for the problem by 000.Cancellation of the reduction factor 0,54 when calculating pensions for law enforcement officers".
The site http://ni.kprf.ru/n/3/ "People's Initiative", which supports the Communist Party, you need to collect 20 000 votes for the same initiative.
When recruiting the specified number of votes, our initiative to cancel the reduction factor 0,54 can be considered at a meeting of the State Duma of the Russian Federation.
Comrades! For the sake of restoring justice and the law, for the sake of our family members, I propose to reject interspecific disunity, be active and vote for the indicated initiatives on both sites.
Bring this message to friends, fellow workers, members and leaders of public veteran organizations. Place it in the military-patriotic groups, forums where you are and, if possible, in any media.
Dear pensioners! Contact your children, sons-in-law and daughter-in-law - let them help you vote.
Defend our rights to the state, except for us, no one will. If the state in respect of us has committed such a perversion now, then where is the guarantee that if we keep silent it will not try again another time or will it be considered as a written off item?
I wish you activity and perseverance in our fair cause.
Yours faithfully,
Chairman of the Internet community
"Military pensioners for Russia and its Armed Forces"
Zavyalov Gennady Alekseevich
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  1. the polar
    the polar 26 August 2013 08: 28
    46 th
    Look you, "defender of the fatherland", how he reared up for his pension. And where was he with his oath, when the traitors to the USSR surrendered, and then Russia was ripped off. A military pension must be earned through military labor and loyalty to the oath.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 26 August 2013 09: 12
      27
      And where were you, O formidable Viking keyboard? I am a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union I was just a "conscript". And what is the relationship between the pension I earned in the future and the collapse of the USSR?
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 26 August 2013 09: 42
      +4
      Look you, "defender of the fatherland", how he reared up for his pension. And where was he with his oath, when the traitors to the USSR surrendered, and then Russia was ripped off. A military pension must be earned through military labor and loyalty to the oath.


      Oh comrade! What are you talking about???? What does he have to do with it? Zavyalov, chtol ruined the USSR? - not! So what the hell? And since you need to know, the last one who tried to prevent the collapse of the USSR was the GKChP, but not the KGB. Because Comrade-Chief GKBist was a putschist ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 26 August 2013 10: 29
      11
      DU RAK, you my friend ... You served yourself, at least a little bit of this "sweet" life?
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 26 August 2013 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        DU RAK, you my friend ... You served yourself, at least a little bit of this "sweet" life?

        I completely agree with your assessment. I would wander around the garrisons, live in barracks, barracks, dormitories and hotels with my family, grumble for days at work. Probably would not have sung.
    4. pav-pon1972
      pav-pon1972 26 August 2013 11: 20
      +5
      I LIKE HE WERE IN THE USSR and Russia! I gave the military oath to the USSR. At least they did not allow the Civil War in 1991 and 1993. (at least in the Far East, the troops were ready to overthrow Yeltsin, when he began to shoot the White House, from the Black River from near Khabarovsk the pilots were ready to fly to bomb Moscow, and not only pilots, since the Commander of the KDVO "calmed" them) in full scale !
    5. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 26 August 2013 11: 31
      +8
      Quote: Polar
      A military pension must be earned by military labor and fidelity to the oath.


      I read such ugly statements and I think that in our country there will be no order for a long time. The envy of individual companions amazes me. Where were you when the military participated in the battles in hot spots? You obviously didn’t go to the army for officer sweet bread. Only black envy constantly eats you. Yes, there are some officers who served in the headquarters, did not smell the gunpowder. But most were at the forefront. Many died and remained disabled. And do you envy them? Shame on you and your parents who have raised such an ugly personality. In most cases, envious people are strict critics, arrogant, sloths and fools. People untalented, but with great ambitions, there is nothing left to do but to envy and criticize real talents. The envious person suffers from a complex of other people's fullness.
    6. ded10041948
      ded10041948 26 August 2013 12: 06
      +4
      Judging by the commentary, your knowledge of military service is equal to zero, otherwise you would have known and understood perfectly. who and what was doing at that time!
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 26 August 2013 14: 05
      +2
      Quote: Polar
      Look you, "defender of the fatherland", how he reared up for his pension. And where was he with his oath, when the traitors to the USSR surrendered, and then Russia was ripped off. A military pension must be earned through military labor and loyalty to the oath.

      You freak on the letter "M"! am fool
    8. nata47758
      nata47758 26 August 2013 15: 03
      +3
      Personally, we were then in Czechoslovakia and our military people voted for the Union, but three drunks spat on the opinion of the people. Then it would be up to the people and rebel. The army would certainly support. So everyone was silent. And now here we are silent, and we are waiting for something. Already, social norms are introducing and raising gas prices. Silent, sir. right now we are betraying our children and grandchildren. we need to unite and go out. In Turkey, the Internet has brought people to the streets, but why are we waiting for a leader? We ourselves can’t tell the fucking authorities what we think about it? She is afraid of us. He surrounds himself with the Guard. Shame lost
  2. Fox
    Fox 26 August 2013 08: 38
    +9
    military pensions still nothing ... but in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, sadness. and the further, the worse. retired: now I get 10t.r. and salary -50t.r. and where 40%?
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 26 August 2013 09: 16
      +9
      The salaries of the military are higher (I am not talking about the prosecutor's office and the FSB), that's why the pension comes out more, but the "castration coefficient" reduced this difference to small values.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 26 August 2013 09: 50
        11
        Quote: Greyfox
        Military salaries have more
        I put a minus just because you think only for yourself. What about the rest of the pensioners? Do they live in "shock"? It is necessary to unite all pensioners, despite belonging to different structures. The worse you are a pensioner-miner or a pensioner-collective farmer, this is the problem of ALL. Do not "clump together", we must all together oppose the pension reform I just think so. I won't sit in the bushes, I will go to rallies and barricades.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 26 August 2013 09: 52
      +8
      Quote: Fox
      military pensions yet nothing

      I’m supporting. If the author doesn’t cry. I would have a civilian pension. I have a major friend, I served the whole season in Teikov, now I’m retired, he’s just over fifty, I’ve got 18 thousand. For comparison, I have a father, 84, a veteran of the rear, work experience of almost 50 years, pension of 15 thousand. So compared to civilians they are in chocolate.
      1. Greyfox
        Greyfox 26 August 2013 10: 12
        +9
        It’s not necessary to envy military pensioners. Not everyone was a zagger. We know here there were several wars and when there were no formal wars, a mission for six months in the TFR as part of the combined detachment also somehow did not attract people to the service. In the 90 years, everyone who wanted could easily enter the service, but not many wanted to, because they could kill and work in a civilian could have been cheaper.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 26 August 2013 15: 09
          +2
          Quote: Greyfox
          Everyone in the 90s could safely enter the service, but not many wanted to, because they could have killed in a civilian job too.
          Do you think the miner's work is calm? Every descent into the face, like behind enemy lines, will he return or not?
      2. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 26 August 2013 11: 40
        +3
        ENVY.
        She is more dangerous than all the armies of the world. Its victims are among the rich and the poor, among the young and old, among scientists and the unlearned. She is the main obstacle to the success of any undertaking. She is everywhere: in houses and workshops, in offices and on the streets. Its trace is spiritual destruction, humiliation and death. And few managed to avoid it. She often knocks on your door. Your mortal enemy whose name is envy.

        Luc de Clapier Vauvenargue, a French moral writer, said: “Envy would not be able to hide: it accuses and judges without evidence, it multiplies flaws, gives the smallest mistakes loud names; her tongue is full of bile, exaggeration and injustice. ”
      3. Airman
        Airman 26 August 2013 12: 29
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        Quote: Fox
        military pensions yet nothing

        I’m supporting. If the author doesn’t cry. I would have a civilian pension. I have a major friend, I served the whole season in Teikov, now I’m retired, he’s just over fifty, I’ve got 18 thousand. For comparison, I have a father, 84, a veteran of the rear, work experience of almost 50 years, pension of 15 thousand. So compared to civilians they are in chocolate.

        Well, firstly, it’s not a burst, but the head of the automobile service, and in Teykov there’s not a garage for the Serdyukov battalion, but the Strategic Missile Forces division, and there the service is not honey either. So you are in vain.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 26 August 2013 13: 05
          +3
          Quote: Povshnik
          Well, firstly, not a tan, but the head of the automobile service

          There is only one point. The matter is not where and how he served, who worked where and how and who brought the state the most benefit, but about the general level of pension provision in the country, about the laws that regulate all this. So if you change something and for what now speak, now for all, and not for individual categories.
          Take people with disabilities who are under the age of 60. The group okay is fully paid, but it is actually given to death row people, group 1 is two-thirds, third is one-third. Our legislators do not bother too much. For the second group, the list of diseases is very extensive, someone at least not much can work, but some do not, and they don’t make any differences.
          And with the military, too. Someone flew, someone in the special forces risked their lives, and who crushed eggs and vodka for the entire service in warehouses. We need to think, work for lawmakers, everything should be spelled out, and not like ours. Everything fits into one comb and to hell with them.
      4. nycsson
        nycsson 26 August 2013 14: 11
        0
        Quote: baltika-18
        I’m supporting. If the author doesn’t cry. I would have a civilian pension. I have a major friend, I served the whole season in Teikov, now I’m retired, he’s just over fifty, I’ve got 18 thousand. For comparison, I have a father, 84, a veteran of the rear, work experience of almost 50 years, pension of 15 thousand. So compared to civilians they are in chocolate.

        But I will not support you. You do not know what military service is. When you have personnel, when you wind around the garrisons, when you do not have normal working hours, outfits, etc.
        Zavgar in civilian and military terms is at least the commander of a support company or logistics. 100 soldier, 3-4 officer subordinate to at least 50 units of equipment, barracks, fleet. hi It seems to you civil that we have nothing to get military money for. For a reason, believe me, we are being sent to retire in 45 years.
        1. Sanyl
          Sanyl 26 August 2013 15: 18
          0
          In 45 years of retirement, only loafers and losers can leave and demand an increased pension. Shame on you all, gentlemen, officers! You want a pension ... And at least one of you in his part has brought hazing during his service? How many times a year did you yourself go to the shooting range?
          It was you, gentlemen, Russian officers, who were shot at by the White House in the 93, and it was you, gentlemen, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that were covering the mafia and markets. It’s a pity that you, the generation of 90’s officers, are already retiring and don’t stop repeating the 1917 year, the people of the officer tore to pieces for his incompetence and cowardice.
          This does not apply only to 10-15% of normal officers who have passed Chechnya and other hot spots ... Sorry, who offended me undeservedly.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 26 August 2013 15: 50
            +1
            Quote: Sanyl
            In 45 years of retirement, only loafers and losers can leave and demand an increased pension.

            A lot of mind is not needed to call officers loafers.
            Quote: Sanyl
            Shame on you all, gentlemen, officers! Want to retire ...

            Shame on you for such words.
            Quote: Sanyl
            And at least one of you in his part brought hazing during the service?

            Of course they did.
            Quote: Sanyl
            How many times a year did you yourself go to the shooting range?

            Now they do not go out often. But this does not depend on us. They will give a command, we will go out at least every day.
            Quote: Sanyl
            It was you, gentlemen, Russian officers, who were shot at by the White House in the 93, and it was you, gentlemen, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that were covering the mafia and markets. It’s a pity that you, the generation of 90’s officers, are already retiring and don’t stop repeating the 1917 year, the people of the officer tore to pieces for his incompetence and cowardice.

            You freak out! I have nothing more to say!
            Quote: Sanyl
            This does not apply only to 10-15% of normal officers who have passed Chechnya and other hot spots ... Sorry, who offended me undeservedly.

            And who didn’t pass, in your opinion, not normal?
          2. Greyfox
            Greyfox 26 August 2013 15: 59
            +1
            Quote: Sanyl
            In 45 years of retirement, only loafers and losers can leave and demand an increased pension. Shame on you all, gentlemen, officers! You want a pension ... And at least one of you in his part has brought hazing during his service? How many times a year did you yourself go to the shooting range?
            It was you, gentlemen, Russian officers, who were shot at by the White House in the 93, and it was you, gentlemen, officers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that were covering the mafia and markets. It’s a pity that you, the generation of 90’s officers, are already retiring and don’t stop repeating the 1917 year, the people of the officer tore to pieces for his incompetence and cowardice.
            This does not apply only to 10-15% of normal officers who have passed Chechnya and other hot spots ... Sorry, who offended me undeservedly.

            Some kind of village boy. And you don't even know about the service. 45 years in the military and police service, many have a medical card thicker than your ass, this is from a good and sweet life. And the mafia of the 90s apparently disappeared by itself, committed suicide, yeah, how are you saw. The "brothers" saw you, and who immediately died of fear, who hid from you terrible in prisons.
            1. grafrozow
              grafrozow 26 August 2013 17: 23
              +1
              Quote: Greyfox
              and police service, many medical records are thicker than your ass is from a good and sweet life
              I don’t know about the medical card, but the savings book is definitely thicker than the ass, I’m not talking about the military, about the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Indicator of "poverty" of employees - parking near the GOVD and the traffic police, confirm with a photo? The poorest car - "six" Mazda, who puts on "bracelets" for veterans of the Great Patriotic War and Afgan? I know one honest investigator of the UR, but he will retire as a captain.
              Quote: Greyfox
              .And the mafia of the 90s apparently disappeared by itself-committed suicide, yeah, as I saw you. "Brothers" saw you and who immediately died of fear,
              "Brothers" are now in uniform, you know in what, and you know the attitude of the people to "internal organs", you don't have to equate yourself with the ARMY. Policeman and SOLDIER are different concepts. If it's rude, I'm sorry, but the essence is the same.
              1. Greyfox
                Greyfox 26 August 2013 18: 15
                0
                The policeman and the SOLDIER are different concepts. If it's rude, I'm sorry, but the essence is the same.

                Once again I ask, the crime of 90's itself plagued? Or did you scare her? When you are personally robbed, where will you run? Now, about the policemen and the SOLDIER, a submarine officer from Kamchatka, a helicopter pilot from the Far East, a missile pilot from Plesetsk, an aircraft technician from near Murmansk (served by Su-27), an air defense officer (I don’t remember where), and several other officers and warrant officers from my work worked in my department army. All reduced, went to work in the police. Everyone worked honestly, no one came to stone chambers, they didn’t make any cars (just like me). They all retired after service (they would have worked, but then they started turning the police into police and shoved out those who had the right to retirement). Some went to the group. I would very much like to see how you look them in the eyes and put them on the POLICE.
                PS Not a Muscovite, so it was modestly in the parking lot and the veterans of the Second World War did not twist their hands. So somehow.
                1. grafrozow
                  grafrozow 26 August 2013 19: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  PS Not a Muscovite, so it was modestly in the parking lot and the veterans of the Second World War did not twist their hands. So somehow.
                  I, too, not from Mosvabad, but I know our head of the traffic police-Balandin, this is his name, not a curse. I am Alexander Viktorovich Rozov, born in 1959. living in the city of Nadym, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, Komsomolskaya st., 1 square 88, I say, our Balandin, together with his brother Yura, are the First Corruptionists of our city, and I won't get anything for this, because they don't need publicity, it's far from Moscow, but here they are "masters" of life. That's how they think.
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  When you are personally robbed, where will you run?
                  They do not rob me, it’s troublesome, but it’s almost impossible to refuse the proposals of the structures, they themselves are aware.
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  . I would very much like to see how you looking into their eyes will mess them with POLITSOV.
                  I don’t look into their eyes, I’m going around !!!
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 26 August 2013 15: 24
          +1
          Quote: nycsson
          But I will not support you. You do not know what military service is. When you have personnel, when you wind around the garrisons, when you do not have normal working hours, outfits, etc.
          But I don’t support you, you don’t know what the end of the year is, and the plan is not fulfilled, and then work around the clock, carry bricks on your hands on the 14 floor, it’s NOT HAND TO DRIVE. We all served in the army, I still remember how our generals wound on the GAZ-66 across the field for hares, it was hard, the field was plowed.
          1. nycsson
            nycsson 26 August 2013 15: 40
            0
            Quote: grafrozow
            But I don’t support you, you don’t know what the end of the year is, and the plan is not fulfilled, and then work around the clock, carry bricks on your hands on the 14 floor, it’s NOT HAND TO DRIVE. We all served in the army, I still remember how our generals wound on the GAZ-66 across the field for hares, it was hard, the field was plowed.

            You might think that your civilian leaders in the field in jeeps are not chasing hares ?! Before becoming a general, not one pound of salt needs to be eaten!
            Who studied what ...... Someone also needs to twist the tails of the bulls and wash the floors.
            1. grafrozow
              grafrozow 26 August 2013 16: 54
              +1
              Quote: nycsson
              Before becoming a general, not one pound of salt needs to be eaten!
              Who studied what ...... Someone also needs to twist the tails of the bulls and wash the floors.
              I wonder how many pounds of salt Shoigu ate? Your position is understandable, it’s not a matter of general business for itself ... to clean up, lackeys will podsuyutsya, build a cottage and lock in clean to shine, while the general front of the Tashkent front will think-to build a second bathhouse or pool in the cottage.
  3. falcon
    falcon 26 August 2013 08: 39
    12
    And further on the agenda is raising the retirement age. Indeed, a persistent
    the feeling that a retired person is waste material for our officials.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 26 August 2013 09: 44
      +5
      and this is after when people protected the zealously calm sleep of the officials themselves, and stood on the protection of the authorities
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 26 August 2013 14: 13
      +2
      Quote: falcon
      And further on the agenda is raising the retirement age. Indeed, a persistent
      the feeling that a retired person is waste material for our officials.

      But their goal is the same - that they should take them forward from work or from service, then they will not have to pay a pension. Pensioners for them are unnecessary ballast.
  4. Gunner
    Gunner 26 August 2013 08: 41
    12
    What’s your stupid comment, he’s not only trying for himself. Yes, our state has now thrown a milestone, both of the military and the rest of the security forces, with pensions and compensation for health damage due to military trauma. And something needs to be done with this, but it is very difficult because The Supreme and Constitutional Courts are two sharashka who spat on the law.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 26 August 2013 17: 29
      +1
      Quote: Gunner
      . The Supreme and Constitutional Courts are two sharashka who spat on the law.
      + + +
      Once again I will throw a picture in the subject.
  5. Dgek
    Dgek 26 August 2013 08: 52
    12
    We deserved our pension, but we cannot get it, thanks to the intrigues of the members of the State Duma of the Russian Federation and the valiant government.
  6. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 26 August 2013 08: 56
    +7
    Surely the "lawmakers" took into account the fact that a certain part of the military pensioners did not live up to their full pension. I would not be surprised if even the "economic effect" was counted and prizes were received for it!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 26 August 2013 09: 30
      +9
      Against the background of all of the above, the following news looks "very optimistic":
      So, the total remuneration to top managers of state-owned companies and corporations in 2012 amounted to 26,8 billion rubles, which is 5,4 billion rubles more than a year earlier. Most of this growth was provided by Rosneft (first place), whose top command staff earned 9,1 billion rubles against 4,4 billion a year earlier. By the way, salaries and bonuses in this state-owned company are growing more actively than in others. In three years, according to the CEO, they have quadrupled.
      1. mole
        mole 26 August 2013 12: 04
        +5
        Another news from the category of "optimistic", on Russia 24 channel sounded: the average monthly bonus for top management of Sberbank (not a state company, companies with state capital) is more than the total annual salary of GDP and DAM combined. One can only add (with regret): "You cannot forbid living beautifully!"
        So it turns out: Who are the pioneers !? Some problems with them! They always grumble and interfere beautifully!
        So who will raise their pension? Someone! am
      2. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 26 August 2013 13: 06
        0
        With the increase in prices for fuels and lubricants sold, they pay more taxes and more VAT. Here they are supported by bureaucrats!
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 26 August 2013 17: 34
        +2
        Quote: Garrin
        So, the total remuneration to top managers of state-owned companies and corporations in 2012 amounted to 26,8 billion rubles - this is 5,4 billion rubles more than a year earlier.
        And Luzhkov's pension? 240000 rub. a month, a worthy reward for "work". Does our "guarantor" not see this?
  7. Andrey from Tver
    Andrey from Tver 26 August 2013 09: 04
    +7
    it is necessary to collect 23.07.2014 votes by July 100, 000

    I myself am not a pensioner of the Armed Forces or the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But many friends and acquaintances who retired from these structures cannot survive without an additional source of income for this pension.
    There really is only one way out - to unite. But why is the question posed only for pensions? Ask a question about housing and utilities tariffs - and people will catch up. Gather millions of votes.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 26 August 2013 09: 47
      13
      so what if pensioners from the Ministry of Internal Affairs unite, what will go to the Manezh? , so they will get batons from their colleagues as they themselves did before
      1. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver 26 August 2013 10: 10
        +5
        what will go to the Manezh?

        They will decide on the way where to go, to Manezhka or to Krasnaya Presnya. Or take the Winter Palace. People are adults, experienced, sorted out.
        1. soldier's grandson
          soldier's grandson 26 August 2013 10: 27
          +4
          Yes, they won’t go anywhere, they’ve got a habit of not rocking the boat, and they’re shouting that they’re not enough for ordinary pensioners to make noise for them whose pension is much lower, and why they don’t shout for them to simply raise pensions to their level if they think that they pay little ?
        2. grafrozow
          grafrozow 26 August 2013 22: 13
          0
          Quote: Andrey from Tver
          They will decide on the way where to go, to Manezhka or to Krasnaya Presnya. Or take the Winter Palace. People are adults, experienced, sorted out.
          No, out of habit they will try to "negotiate". They do not know other options.
  8. pahom54
    pahom54 26 August 2013 09: 42
    +4
    The whole problem is that on a global scale in Russia there will soon be more retirees than working (if not already), and there is nowhere to take money for their pensions (i.e., we are talking not only about retirees from law enforcement agencies). You see, they have already begun to decide the issue of closing the maternity capital program, raising the retirement age ... It's just that we, "old" pensioners (I retired in 1994, now I was only 60) are cut off from the wave of "new, young" ones. Anything happened, and before the notorious increase for 6 years he lived on a pension of 7 rubles ... Why did not he work - yes, because a disabled person of 700 groups.
    I’m going to the site, I will give my vote (signature), but it won’t solve anything, because, I repeat, this problem is large-scale, and with the level and construction of the economy that exists in Russia now, it cannot be solved.
    They will not stop stealing how many centuries Russia has existed - they stole under Ivan the Terrible and under Peter the Great (which alone cost Alexei Menshikov!), They also stole under the General Secretaries (though not like they do now).
    It would be possible to feed pensioners, if the state didn’t hand over the production and sale of alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceuticals to private hands ... BUT ...
    So, with pensions ... Well, they deceived us, but those who serve now, after all, looking at how they threw us, they will say: why ... to break up in the service? For what? And for whom and for whom to fight (I will not say where)? So it turns out that the state is stepping on the rake that Gorbach and Yazov installed — in this case, with power structures. Even in ancient times, the philosopher Plato in his doctrine of the state put the power structures immediately on the second tier of power (after the kings, kings, pharaohs and their assistants, etc.). Bonaparte said that a country that does not want to feed its army will be forced to feed a stranger.
    So let the boyars think about who will protect them when the people will come to deal with Bolotnaya with forks and machine guns ... Maybe by this time a petition with 100 signatures will come up ... And what should they will be done primarily in order to stay at the feeding trough ...
    1. alexdol
      alexdol 26 August 2013 10: 04
      +2
      pahom54 RU "So let the boyars think about who will defend them, when people will come to deal with Bolotnaya not with pitchforks, but with machine guns .."
      -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------
      Interestingly, it turns out that you yourself defended this SALES power and make sure that the new generation does the same? So get your reward, your 30 pieces of silver, you deserve them ... Just do not think that I am for the "BOLOTNY", if they come with machine guns, then just not from them ... And here's a link to my verse, it is called "Lord officers" http://stihi.ru/2010/12/22/6761
      1. pahom54
        pahom54 26 August 2013 10: 54
        +5
        I defended, like many of us, my homeland, even before the current government came (you didn’t pay attention when I retired - in 1994, when it became simply impossible to serve because of a sense of military duty). And you don’t need to insult me ​​- I’m not Judas, and I have never been to receive 30 pieces of silver ... But the task of protecting the STATE has always stood, will stand and will stand ... And I did not speak about this corrupt government, but about the state in general ... And the question, I think, posed FOR BOYAR correctly: let them think about who will protect them ...
        1. alexdol
          alexdol 26 August 2013 15: 27
          +3
          pahom54 RU "But the task of protecting the STATE has always been, is and will be ..."

          Here I completely agree with you, but there is such a question. But how are you military / it's not about you specifically, but about the entire army / fulfilled your duty to protect the STATE? The state to which the oath was taken is the USSR! And the answer is - NO! The USSR was successfully destroyed by the enemies without a single shot! Actually, it's not only the army that is to blame - the entire people are to blame, but the army is the most guilty! After all, it existed on our taxes, but in the end it did not protect us! What did you get paid for? And now there are also pensions ... Needless to say, the current government should idolize you all for your inaction, but it is not so "grateful", so it throws you a "bone" a little fatter than ordinary people ... And I also want to remind you: not "Vlast" you should serve, but first of all the PEOPLE, and you again talk "let the boyars think who will protect them .." So you yourself answered everything - who did you serve ...
          1. pahom54
            pahom54 26 August 2013 16: 42
            +1
            You are again inattentive ... Firstly, in May 1971 I gave the oath to the SOVIET GOVERNMENT (find and read the text of this oath at your leisure). Secondly, you go to particulars, namely, you reproach ME for inaction and almost collapse of the USSR. I can say that my rank and position in that mess could not play any role, but one general who just did not turn out to be faithful to the oath played a significant role in this coup - this is Pasha - Mercedes, or Pavel Grachev. For some reason, you kept silent about his 30 pieces of silver ... I will add about myself, "Juda" - you again did not pay attention to the fact that as a result of my service I left the army as a disabled person of the 2nd group ... ... After all, I am talking about the boyars because they are now, sadly, and they are just now running the state ... and my speech, in fact, is NOT ABOUT THEIR protection ...
            And I will add one more: you simply can’t imagine the functions and tasks of the army ... If we were to reproach us with the fact that we received money for the defense of the state, we should first of all prevent the coup d'état, and not the army. They simply turned them into guards, but according to the doctrine of state security they had to perform completely different functions ... And then, logically, the army in the person of the Airborne Division, commanded by Pavel Grachev and who changed the oath, had to clash troops, and this is internal (civil war) ...
            And further, speaking of the betrayal of the army: do not mix together the generals who have power and people a little lower who are required to obey the order ...
            By the way, about the generals: there was Lev Rokhlin, to the organization to whom I would go right away (if I could go), but they killed ... After all, they were afraid of this general ... If he lived another year and a half, I give a guarantee - I raised it if we had an army, all honest officers would follow him, and now we would live under a completely different government. If you try to say now that you would have lived under a military junta, then I will give you an example: General Pinochet threw the hell out of the Communists, during the years of his reign he raised the economy of Chile many times, and when he saw that everything was in order with the economy, he gave power in the hands of civilians through free elections ...
            But you and I have moved away from the subject matter of the article ... I have already said above that the problem of pensions to law enforcement agencies is widespread and comprehensive ... Speaking about the fact that our pension, to put it mildly, does not meet certain standards, this is also said about civil the population ... And if our rulers want to look good in the eyes of the international community, then they must first of all increase the welfare of the people (Here! See, now we have reached the people!) ... In the meantime, we bark, there’s no point ... If you want to swear - go to Bolotnaya, there you will have many opponents ...
            1. alexdol
              alexdol 26 August 2013 19: 52
              +1
              pahom54 RU "And while we bark with you, there will be no sense .."
              -------------------------------------------------- -----------
              I'm not going to "bark" with you at all! You, too, inattentively read my comments. I specifically do not blame you for anything, but talked about the role of the ARMY, which it did not FULFILL! By the way, in the Yeltsin coup in 1993, it was the army that played the decisive role, not the internal troops! In general, this is a very difficult question and it can be discussed for a long time. To put it simply, I was born in 1952 then worked at a defense enterprise after university. Some of our graduates chose to join the army, just not to get there! So I can also say that I served the MOTHERLAND. After graduating from university, I was awarded the rank of lieutenant, then I was given the rank of lieutenant, but I didn't have a chance to serve in the army, I worked for the defense industry. And today I have a pension of 1060 hryvnia. Such a pension is given to gypsies who have not worked for the state for a single day !!! But I understand perfectly well that I will not achieve anything from this gangster-thieves' government by any demands. For example, former Russian Press Minister Boris Mironov says that only the ARMY can save the country, and I completely agree with him! And you just slide into some "requirements" - honestly, it's already ridiculous! I can answer you in advance that you will not get anything from them. It would be better if they supported the convicts Kvachkov, Khabarov and others. These people have received from this government in full! Everything else about what you are writing to me is well known and it remains only to regret that Rokhlin did not succeed ... And I am not afraid of a military junta, it would be better if the military took all the power in the country before ORDER was established!
              1. pahom54
                pahom54 27 August 2013 10: 42
                +1
                Well ... we are also of the same age ... that means we were born and lived at the same time, and, I note with confidence, there were no barricades on different sides. So we won’t and now ... we think in approximately the same direction, but unexpectedly slipped into particulars ... After all, on the site people began not to develop the topic, but to blame who gets the most, and why such injustice. The bottom line is this: it’s not that someone receives more, someone receives a pension at a lower level, but that ALL - CIVIL AND MILITARY RECEIVE UNSUCCESSFULLY MINOR PENSIONS !!! ALL!!! This is what we need to talk about.
                Moreover, the current Government is pursuing a policy of equalizing pensions and civilian and law enforcement agencies.
                But it’s hard to judge the importance and leadership of the professions ... The janitor cleaned the area badly or at the wrong time, the baker didn’t bake the bread, the plumber worked poorly ... And now we have defense products that fall worth billions of rubles, they fall regularly, instead of flying in space ... I won’t continue. ALL professions are needed, ALL professions are important, and any person deserves a pension that allows him to at least live without problems.
                We won’t make sure that forefoots cracked at the lackeys, and the pans didn’t even scratch ... Let them crack something ...
  9. patriot2
    patriot2 26 August 2013 09: 45
    +3
    Millions have lost their habit, or even do not know how to fight for their rights (unfortunately). If we compare with European countries, where a 2-3% reduction in salaries (pensions) can cause mass protests (riots and demonstrations), then we ....
    The author's initiative is good, but the "non-commissioned officer's widow" will not whip herself. And he is not going to change the law on military pensions, but extortions from the population in the form of growing taxes already from 01.01.2014. (but not from big business). Sheep is easier to shear than to shoot wolves.
    These are realities - it is possible and necessary to discuss and write, especially on the links indicated by the authors. But after looking through, I was convinced that there were very few votes for and even against.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 26 August 2013 11: 46
      +2
      The slogan - Divide and conquer has always been, and probably will remain for a long time, in the acts of our government. The more we spit on each other, the less we will achieve in asserting our rights. Such is life. But you should not put up. We are not sheep in a slaughterhouse led by a ram ...
  10. fklj
    fklj 26 August 2013 09: 52
    +8
    A simple hard worker, retiring at 55-60 years old, will receive 8-10 thousand rubles. A "silovichek" from the Ministry of Internal Affairs, by length of service, 20 and above.
    This is true?!!!
    And then this unworked mug is sitting, on which it is still possible to plow, from a private trader, a salary for former epaulettes is received + pension as two average salaries of SIMPLE Russians.
    1. Greyfox
      Greyfox 26 August 2013 11: 08
      0
      Another envious ... In the 90s, both the police and the army were taken as "siloviki" without any problems. They didn’t want to go — in "civilian life" the earnings were higher, they would not send them to the war or to the TFR for six months on a business trip, the working day was rationed, etc. And many of those who got a job did not finish up to the notorious "20 calendars", having sipped "sweet life". As they say, what prevented you personally from getting a job in "siloviki"?
      1. fklj
        fklj 26 August 2013 11: 41
        +4
        Nobody envies you. It was different in the nineties and two thousandths. It is still full of vacancies in the army, and there are also in the militia, but very few. And in the Ministry of Internal Affairs they "slurp" "sweet life" in different ways. But this is not about me, not about you.
        The salary was raised - excellent! "20 calendars" is logical!
        But why such a huge difference in retirement pension with the rest of the public sector? White bone? Blue blood?
        And I did not say anything about MO.
        1. Alekseev
          Alekseev 26 August 2013 12: 47
          +3
          What is such a huge difference?
          Major, who served 23-25 ​​years, receives about 15 thousand rubles.
          The average size of a retirement pension in 2013 is 10,3 thousand.
          And about the pension of various state. officials (mayors and x ... in and their descendants) are better not to delicately recall ...
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 26 August 2013 22: 33
            0
            Quote: Alekseev
            Major, who served 23-25 ​​years, receives about 15 thousand rubles.
            And the stone-maker, who worked for 40 years 7tys.r. He built houses for you too.
            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 3 September 2013 14: 04
              0
              Quote: grafrozow
              And the stone-maker, who worked for 40 years 7tys.r.

              And the overdue from the construction battalion (almost the same mason) receives no more.
              No need to equate the ass with your finger.
              It was necessary to go to serve in the army, since it was so enviable. wink
              And who is to blame for the fact that he receives 7 thousand?
              After all, it is no secret that the military retires earlier and receives more than masons, and even that, far from all.
              And the master builder does not receive as much if he really had 40 years of experience and a white salary, and not kalyms all his life ...
              Do not la la.
        2. gena7777777
          gena7777777 26 August 2013 12: 56
          +1
          So who prevents state employees from fighting for their rights and doesn’t vote for those who have been in power for decades and haven’t done anything for the people, but will throw a dime in the form of a penny to increase salaries and pensions, and everyone is happy.
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 26 August 2013 22: 36
            +2
            Quote: gena7777777
            So who prevents state employees from fighting for their rights
            You don’t know who’s stopping, don’t you know who is dispersing the rallies? What country do you live in?
      2. Sanyl
        Sanyl 26 August 2013 15: 22
        +2
        the presence of conscience prevented the destruction of your country, which is exactly what you were doing "bribe-force officers"
      3. grafrozow
        grafrozow 26 August 2013 22: 27
        0
        Quote: Greyfox
        As the saying goes, what prevented you personally from getting a job in "siloviki"?
        Conscience did not allow, if you know this word, you will understand.
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr 26 August 2013 11: 47
      -2
      What the Bible says about envy

      Envy is one of the sins forbidden by the Ten Commandments; it consists in the fact that a person wants to possess what does not belong to him. The object of envy can be both material wealth and immaterial things (beauty, success, virtue, etc., see Eccl. 4: 4). The fact is that trust in God presupposes that everything that a person possesses comes from God: "Every good gift and every perfect gift comes down from above, from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change and not a shadow of change" (James 1: 17). At the same time, it is important that God gives each person what he needs in accordance with God's plan. The desire to possess what God gave to another person, thus, by definition, contradicts the Creator's plan. In addition, envy contains the desire of a person to fulfill his will against the will of the Creator. That is why envy is destructive for a person: "A meek heart is life for the body, and envy is rottenness for the bones" (Prov. 14:30). Envy becomes the cause of cruelty and violence of people against each other: the envious tries to get by force what does not belong to him (Micah 2: 2). Thus, envy, like many other things, is a violation of the law of love for one's neighbor, which is common to all people (Rom. 13: 9).

      The apostle Paul in Galatians includes envy among the “works of the flesh,” which they contrast with the fruits of the Spirit. In addition, in his epistle to Timothy, the apostle emphasizes that envy is not necessarily aimed at material wealth. A very significant reason for it is the desire for primacy and power. The most striking and tragic example of envy is the envy of the Pharisees and scribes to the Lord Jesus Christ, which led to the Cross Death of the Savior.

      THINK BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT AT SAINT:
      1. fklj
        fklj 26 August 2013 12: 26
        +2
        I hope this is not your self portrait
  11. individual
    individual 26 August 2013 10: 02
    +7
    Well, what else to expect from the last of Gaidar's politics.
    They judge by themselves.
    Admitted with a large spoon to the public boiler, drawing on the possibilities of immense appetite - suggest that pension provision is useless. Hence the experiments with the pension reform that hung its financial support on the budget.
    Siluanov sees a way out to ensure the safety of his post by reducing funding for education and medicine. They themselves and their children do not need Russian education and state medicine.
    Their future is in the Western "Cambridge", and medicine is in personal doctors.
    The next step will be to run over the retirement benefits of Russian citizens, since, according to the precepts of their teacher, ETG market man, everyone should provide for himself and the market will regulate everything.
    The market is the bazaar, and the bazaar is the regulator of the $ dollar equivalent, and the people do not have this $ dollar.
    Drive these traffic controllers out of government.
  12. IRBIS
    IRBIS 26 August 2013 10: 03
    +8
    A burning topic ... I especially "like" the size of payments for participation in hostilities after the monetization of benefits. It's not even funny, just a mockery from those who came up with this. Especially in comparison with the allowances of deputies of various levels. I look and think - judging by these allowances, they haven't climbed out of the trenches for ten years, sincere ...
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 26 August 2013 10: 38
      +8
      Life is not fair. I am a military pensioner disabled in the war "monthly premium for length of service to the salary of pay" I receive not 40% and 80% plus 8 tons. add the president and prime minister, with other allowances 40t.
      In 93-95, the "crowd", so as not to fight, retired on a minimum wage, this is their right.
      It turns out that we have approximately equal incomes, only I can’t work without legs a lot.
      I often have to listen to the nagging of former colleagues and listen to how good I am.
  13. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 August 2013 10: 21
    +6
    Yes, they let us down .... in full ...... a stool with Makarov ... ... with his leaders ..... remember the law on monetization .... where is the permanent compensation of benefits ?? ... no .....
    but then all over the world we forgive billions of billions ....
    Long live Russia ... the greatest and incomprehensible country in the world !!!
    1. military
      military 26 August 2013 11: 15
      +7
      Quote: Grigorich 1962

      Long live Russia ... the greatest and incomprehensible country in the world !!!

      Yes, everything in it is clear ... gangster Petersburg steers ...
  14. 30143
    30143 26 August 2013 11: 08
    +6
    Somewhere in a banana republic there would already be a coup d'etat. And ours, both Ukrainian and Russian military, are spineless people. The putsch in 1992 could be crushed by 1 Airborne Regiment both in Moscow and Kiev. Everything would cost a little blood, and not that great divorce of friendly peoples. But people really fought in the Caucasus and in Soviet times should not be offended. Who then will defend Russia? None. There will be an example for everyone - living retirees.
    On the other hand, the principle of social justice. Take the ensign from the warehouse, which is in the bulk of a thief and a loafer. Therefore, here, without half a liter, no one will ever figure it out ...
  15. deman73
    deman73 26 August 2013 11: 09
    +4
    For that fought for it and ran
  16. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 August 2013 11: 17
    +3
    I am a military pensioner. I completely agree with the author. There is a problem and it must be solved.
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  18. gena7777777
    gena7777777 26 August 2013 11: 32
    +1
    For the most part, military pensioners. It’s not very strange or shy or at odds with computers, they are very outraged (let off steam), but really do little. Veteran organizations are mostly * fed * by the authorities and do not defend the interests of military pensioners. the opportunity to say that we do not agree with this coefficient lowering 0,54., which simply puts a fat cross on receiving a 100% pension, so what are we waiting for, why is such a weak activity? Show in reality that we DO NOT agree that we are outraged by cynicism with whom this law was adopted, which offers 60-70 year olds to wait 23 years until they receive 100% of their pension, but how many will survive.?
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 26 August 2013 12: 42
      +1
      Quote: gena7777777
      , and how much will survive.?
      Well so on it and calculation ......
  19. High speed
    High speed 26 August 2013 12: 00
    +2
    For those who are not indifferent to military pensions

    I recall how in the 90s the commanders of the rpk CH (not to mention the crews) received on a par with the bus drivers. Straight shovel rowing ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 26 August 2013 12: 36
      +3
      Quote: High Speed
      I recall how in the 90s the commanders of the rpk CH (not to mention the crews) received on a par with the bus drivers. Straight shovel rowing ...

      I also remembered that the "dashing" 90s near my house, acting pilots, in their free time, a cafe for one Caucasian citizen was built and decorated. Men, officers, from the captain and above, and what was there to do? families had to be fed, so they hired, like migrant workers now. I remember and now resentment boils ...
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 26 August 2013 13: 55
        +6
        This is still lucky!
        Minus, "Gulchatay, show your face!" You should have been in my place when I was writing an order on the withdrawal of NZ dry rations from the "disturbing" suitcases in order to feed the children of the military unit, tk. another "activist", grabbing something, forgot to finance a part and there was nothing to give out the salary! Sell ​​your pistol at least!
  20. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 26 August 2013 12: 01
    13
    "... Our letters, complaints, appeals, including to the guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation to the President of the Russian Federation, did not bring the expected results ..."

    But really, really our beloved guarantor does not respond?
    Ay-yai-yay, how bad ... However, it is time for many years to get used to his style.
    Although, here's what ...
    Turn to the patriots, and what if they help.
    Maybe they will write a collective letter. At the forum, they climb out of their skin, idolizing this bright image. Angry when someone criticizes. Oh, how angry ...
    So we'll see, maybe it's really in vain that they "run over" the guarantor here.
  21. ded10041948
    ded10041948 26 August 2013 12: 41
    +7
    What is there to argue about? Just look at the biographies of those who prepare and adopt these laws.
    In 1998, when registering for housing, one such "figure" openly said to me: "You can buy it yourself, that is money.", And when there was a team to provide military pensioners with housing, so that he would not get confused under his feet, in general thrown into the general queue (reason: at the time of dismissal, the Treaty between Russia and Kazakhstan had not been ratified) So now I have two good reasons to live to be 90 (now 65): I will receive a full pension and (maybe!) I will receive housing. But the "guarantor" once said: "I am also an officer and I know firsthand about the life of the military!" I wonder since when are the sands of Central Asia and the gashtets of East Germany the same thing? Anyway, what is the difference between an officer (command staff) of a line unit and a resident working under diplomatic cover?
    1. military
      military 26 August 2013 13: 22
      -2
      Quote: ded10041948
      Anyway, what is the difference between an officer (command) of a line unit and a resident working under diplomatic cover?

      the officers were always different ... some commanded penal battalions and raised their chains to attack ... others "steered" the detachments and "breathed" machine guns into the backs of the attackers ...
      1. ded10041948
        ded10041948 26 August 2013 13: 37
        +5
        Read carefully (especially the previous sentence). We are talking about the statement of the "guarantor" that he "knows everything"! I choked on this phrase of his vodka, thanks to colleagues - pensioners, pumped out!
        1. military
          military 26 August 2013 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: ded10041948
          This is about the statement of the "guarantor" ...

          drink vodka and don’t listen to Trotsky ... drinks
  22. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 26 August 2013 12: 42
    +7
    Quote: Samsebenum
    So let them think how. Maybe, in truth, the guarantor is "run over" here.

    THINKING:
    “By their fruits you will know them. Are grapes harvested from blackthorn, or figs from burdock? So every good tree brings good fruits, and a bad tree brings bad fruits. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor a bad tree can bear good fruit. ” [Mt 7: 16-18]

    Let's turn to some facts from the biography of our hero:
    • he consciously and voluntarily, at the “call of the heart”, joined the Communist Party, and subsequently also consciously and voluntarily crossed over to its opponents;
    • he, taking a military oath, vowed "to the last breath to be loyal to his people, his Soviet Motherland", but then suddenly stood in the ranks of fierce anti-Soviet;
    • He, being an agent of the KGB, first acted against the West, and then dodged and became a consistent pro-Western politician;
    • He took an active part in promoting “United Russia”, was its symbol, but when the abbreviation “ПЖиВ” was attached to it, he dissociated himself from the party through his spokesman, calling himself an independent politician.

    SO WHAT ARE WE SAYING A SPEECH ?!
  23. taseka
    taseka 26 August 2013 12: 54
    10
    What is the increase in pension? Our glorious Olympics in Sochi, gobbled them up to the 2055 year, then it's time to wait for the air tax!
    1. ded10041948
      ded10041948 26 August 2013 13: 22
      +3
      Yes, not the Olympics gobbled up, but those who grabbed contracts! Under them and the Olympics punched.
  24. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 26 August 2013 13: 02
    +6
    More and more sober-minded people appear on the site, who see that the Great and Terrible is just a pawn, in conspiracy with those who are ruining Russia and powdering our brains, he will not leave until he is one ... classmates, group-mates, schoolchildren, village boys and others. .. don’t grab so much that burst from greed ,,,, sorry we’ll hardly wait, now the St. Petersburg mafia and grief in those who go against it, Gundyaev will curse ....
  25. Vtel
    Vtel 26 August 2013 13: 52
    +2
    There is such a profession to defend the Motherland, and there is the HSE - the highest kosher school of aerobatics, how to take money from a disobedient foreign people (that is, from the Russians) and attach it, as it were, for our needs - "benefactors" from the West, damn it. Soon, maternity capital will be canceled from their own hands, they will be offered to retire on time, but without money, or to continue working until they fold their fins. It's bad that our President is not hu-gu about this, they are hiding something from him.
    As one modern "poet" said "We will live badly, but not for long," this is somehow "encouraging" - a joke.
  26. akmoa781
    akmoa781 26 August 2013 14: 06
    +2
    True, there is such a problem and it needs to be addressed. Only who will do it?
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 26 August 2013 14: 33
      +5
      akmoa781

      And let's invite Lukashenko ... or rent it for 5 years.
      Something is in him such, peasant, grasping, or something.
      And the opposition doesn’t tickle and the roads are cool and everything around is seeded, like in the USSR. Only better and cleaner ...
      I think he’ll do it.
      This is a joke, of course, but ...
      1. military
        military 26 August 2013 16: 50
        0
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Let’s invite Lukashenko ...
        I think he’ll do it.

        precisely because he will cope (with both those and others), we will not see a "union state" in this life ...
  27. saag
    saag 26 August 2013 14: 18
    +1
    It reminded me of an old American movie, I think it was called "The Untouchables", where at the end of the film old mafiosos were beaten with bats on a sugarcane field younger and quicker :-)
  28. Troitsky
    Troitsky 26 August 2013 14: 57
    -1
    Even I do not vote. By the way, it is noteworthy that there are enough votes "against". Does anyone really envy that someone can receive more than them?
  29. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 26 August 2013 14: 59
    +4
    As long as various professional groups in the areas of all, without exception, defend not their common interests, but exclusively their own, the result will be as follows:
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 26 August 2013 15: 08
      +2
      To thinking ...
  30. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 26 August 2013 20: 50
    +1
    Quote: IRBIS
    A burning topic ... I especially "like" the size of payments for participation in hostilities after the monetization of benefits. It's not even funny, just a mockery from those who came up with this. Especially in comparison with the allowances of deputies of various levels. I look and think - judging by these allowances, they haven't climbed out of the trenches for ten years, sincere ...

    Therefore, they climb into the deputies, as it is smeared with honey there!