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The construction of the MiG-35 is again postponed.

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In the course of the current rearmament of the Russian army, from time to time not only positive news, telling about purchases and deliveries of this or that equipment, but also sad news. The most recent example of the latter is the events around the MiG-35 fighter jets. In recent years, an ambiguous situation has developed around these aircraft: the plans of the Ministry of Defense have changed several times, as a result of which full-scale deliveries of MiG-35 fighter jets have not yet begun.


The construction of the MiG-35 is again postponed.


The oldest news regarding the future order of the MiG-35 fighters, refer to the 2009 year. At a time when the Defense Ministry and Sukhoi Company signed a contract for the supply of X-NUMX aircraft Su-48S, it was announced that at least two dozen MiG-35 fighters would appear in the air force. As can be seen after four years, such a contract was never signed. However, starting from 35, officials of the Ministry of Defense have repeatedly mentioned the possible early signing of an appropriate agreement and the start of the construction of production aircraft.

Only in June of 2013 did encouraging information emerge. The general director of the Russian Aircraft Building Corporation MiG, S. Korotkov, said that in a few weeks the first contract for the supply of 37 MiG-35 fighters at a price of about one billion rubles for each will be signed. In addition, at the same time there was information that, before the 2020, the Ministry of Defense intended to acquire a total of 72 fighters of this type. The signing of the first contract for the supply of the MiG-35 should have led to a number of positive events: after a long break, the Air Force would get a modern lightweight fighter, and MiG would be able to improve its financial situation.

It is worth noting, a couple of years before the latest events of RAC "MiG" with its latest development, took part in the Indian tender MMRCA. Under the terms of the competition, the winning firm must supply the Indian Air Force 126 fighter jets. Unfortunately, the Russian MiG-35 aircraft dropped out of the tender, before reaching the final. In this regard, the Russian Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation "MiG" could not get rid of their financial problems earlier. As a result, the expected contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia currently remains the main hope for aircraft manufacturers.

The latest information about the contract for the supply of the MiG-35 appeared in mid-August. First, the media spread information according to which the delivery of light fighters has been postponed for several years for financial reasons. Some publications, citing sources in the military department, wrote that the Ministry of Finance put pressure on the military and they were forced to abandon their latest plans. At the same time, it became known that before the 2016, the air force would receive 16 new MiG-29CMT type aircraft, the price of which is slightly different from the cost of the MiG-35. Reportedly, the agreement on the supply of MiG-29CMT will be signed in the very near future.

On August 21, during the exhibition “Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense”, the deputy head of the military department Y. Borisov specified the details of the unsigned supply contract for the MiG-35. He confirmed the postponement of the start of delivery of serial fighter aircraft, but at the same time he denied the participation of the Ministry of Finance in this. The main reason for the shift was the unavailability of industry. Enterprises involved in the construction of the MiG-35, at the moment can not fulfill such a large order. Therefore, the Ministry of Defense and Industry decided to postpone the start of production. A relatively small batch of MiG-29CMT aircraft will be ordered to support aircraft manufacturers and upgrade their fleet.

Shortly after Borisov, Deputy Prime Minister D. Rogozin touched on the theme of supplies. He said that in accordance with the presidential decision, now the only reason for making adjustments to the current state rearmament program is the industry’s unwillingness to perform a particular task. The program itself, including its financial aspects, will remain unchanged. Therefore, the only reason for the shift in the timing of the commencement of construction and supply of MiG-35 fighters is the problems of aircraft manufacturers.

In the current situation, the choice of equipment, the construction of which will begin shortly, looks somewhat strange. MiG-29MT and MiG-35 have a number of differences, but in some basic features are almost the same. In addition, both aircraft have about the same cost. In this case, the choice of a "temporary measure" in anticipation of the readiness of the industry for the construction of the MiG-35 may raise relevant questions. There have not yet been any official explanations on this score and therefore it remains to make various assumptions.

Perhaps the fact is that until the production of some components of onboard avionics equipment has been established, without which the construction of the MiG-35 will not be able to gain the necessary pace or it will not be possible at all. In addition, the reason for the quick order of MiG-29CMT fighters may be the fact that the Russian military air forces already serve 28 of such aircraft (they were built for Algeria, but the customer refused them).

Regardless of the specific reasons история With the MiG-35 fighters, it continues, and not what I would like to see. Due to the condition of some aircraft manufacturing enterprises of the Russian Air Force, they still cannot get the latest light fighter. Deliveries of the first serial MiG-35 are now worth the wait only in 2016. Considering the previous events around this aircraft, one cannot argue that in the future there will be no new deadlines or other equally unpleasant events. As a result, the promising aircraft is once again in limbo and its further fate raises a lot of questions.


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  1. Airman
    Airman 26 August 2013 08: 39 New
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    There is no money for the MiG-35, but the Caucasus subsidies have increased to 230 billion rubles.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. Constantine
        Constantine 26 August 2013 09: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: Kibalchish
        And maternity capital will be canceled. The Caucasus needs it. Here are the bastards.


        I did not expect another rhetoric from you wassat Again, we learn materiel and don’t say gop because maternal capital has not been canceled, another 3 years + not the fact that they will cancel. wink

        Partially, for those who are too lazy to consider, the materiel in Chechnya is here - http://chet-nik.livejournal.com/236000.html
        Sam checked the numbers and even considered offhand until 2010. Everything is fine there and you can check it yourself. All numbers can be found.
    2. Constantine
      Constantine 26 August 2013 09: 37 New
      13
      Quote: Povshnik
      There is no money for the MiG-35, but the Caucasus subsidies have increased to 230 billion rubles.


      The Caucasus is large, to whom exactly? If again about Chechnya, then Rosneft pumps out there, and then pays to the federal budget taxes no less than what Chechnya receives with subsidies. It is necessary to teach materiel as a be. And in general, if you do not create jobs there, they will go to large cities to the north. Do you need this? I don’t.

      There is no money for the MiG-35

      This topic has been procrastinating here already about two times. This is a sabotage of the program by the liberal ministry of finance. Bookmark worked.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 August 2013 12: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Constantine
        If again about Chechnya, then Rosneft pumps out there, and then pays to the federal budget taxes no less than what Chechnya receives with subsidies. Need to learn materiel




        April 16, 2013 Non-payment of taxes by Rosneft to the budget of Chechnya led to the fact that the republic had to take loans, which it still pays. This was stated by the head of the region Ramzan Kadyrov
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 26 August 2013 13: 32 New
          +4
          Quote: Vadivak
          April 16, 2013 Non-payment of taxes by Rosneft to the budget of Chechnya led to the fact that the republic had to take loans, which it still pays. This was stated by the head of the region Ramzan Kadyrov


          Rosneft owns a subsidiary there, which, in fact, pays taxes. However, the fact is that the company is a service company and earns from operating activities, and Rosneft pays money from oil to the federal budget as the holder of all necessary licenses, etc.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 26 August 2013 14: 26 New
            +3
            Quote: Constantine
            Rosneft owns a subsidiary there, which, in fact, pays taxes.


            Actually does not pay taxes. Such a small difference.
            1. Constantine
              Constantine 26 August 2013 15: 17 New
              0
              Quote: Vadivak
              Actually does not pay taxes. Such a small difference.


              Explain please hi
      2. Konsmo
        Konsmo 26 August 2013 12: 52 New
        +2
        I agree, it is necessary to create jobs. When there is work and family, bad thoughts go into the head less.
    3. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq 26 August 2013 11: 38 New
      +2
      To believe, here's the soap topic:
      http://news.mail.ru/politics/14474475/
    4. 31231
      31231 26 August 2013 14: 17 New
      +1
      Is there an official link to this statement?
    5. cdrt
      cdrt 26 August 2013 16: 28 New
      +2
      There is no money for the MiG-35, but they increased subsidies to the Caucasus to 230 billion rubles

      It’s clear that one’s own concept is more comfortable than harsh reality. laughing
      It seems like DGC is not able to bring the Mig-35 within 3 years, and therefore the transfer.
      And what about the Caucasus?
    6. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 26 August 2013 18: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Povshnik
      There is no money for the MiG-35, but the Caucasus subsidies have increased to 230 billion rubles.


      230 aircraft could be bought. But now the bearded, having gathered their beards, will rebuild themselves on one more floor, otherwise the houses are very small ...
    7. tomket
      tomket 26 August 2013 22: 16 New
      +2
      Actually a historical joke: during the construction of the air defense ring (missile shield) around Moscow, there was a delay of two weeks in terms of time. Beria convenes a meeting to find out the reasons. the chief designer explains that, so and so, when switching from one wavelength to another ..._ Beria: - you didn’t understand me, comrade designer, name me!
      Kowtow to Siluanov, because he drove the economy into a state that we can no longer buy 30 aircraft.
  2. pinecone
    pinecone 26 August 2013 08: 48 New
    +4
    But they are going to build in Moscow the largest ferris wheel in the world, and in St. Petersburg a new aquarium for three and a half billion.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 August 2013 09: 00 New
      +8
      quote-Perhaps the fact is that the production of some components of on-board electronic equipment has not yet been launched, without which the construction of the MiG-35 will not be able to gain the necessary pace or is impossible at all.

      who is guilty?! what

      In addition, the reason for the early order of MiG-29СМТ fighters may be the fact that the Russian Air Force already has 28 of such aircraft (they were built for Algeria, but the customer refused them).

      or maybe the first part of the cited excuse is simply decided to save.
      Saving on defense is tantamount to suicide of the state. How much labor, engineering was invested and everything was down the drain. am
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 26 August 2013 09: 09 New
        +6
        MiG-29М2 (MiG-35) in the person that is being offered has not gone far from SMT, but at a double price. You confuse an Indian where there was a breakthrough board. These are two different aircraft.

        For example, on the MiG-29M2 there is a classic glass cabin of the 1 generation (with 4 small displays), on the Indian and Su-35С the second generation with 2 large zonal, Zhuk-M radar, not AFAR, no OBT and so on.
        1. Argon
          Argon 26 August 2013 11: 28 New
          12
          I’ll object to you, my dear donavi49, the emki had arrow boards slightly different from the products 9-12 \ 9-13 with the exception of the added “ground level indicator”, the sides that received 1st generation glass (originally black and white) were called MiG- 33 \ MiG-33UB. The Indian side at the beginning did not have a digital index at all and was called the MiG MMRCA, they talked about the "35th" in the context of desires to have a similar device in their own air force, and only then they assigned this number to the machine. Don’t worry if God will give, but the MAPs do not screw up the “board” on the MiG in technological level will be no lower than the Su-35. The main reason for the transfer of production in technological difference is the 9-15 airframe from all 29x with gills, which were riveted by more than 65% The 35th is almost completely (for metal) welded. That is, the problem has remained from the time of the union, the lack of a technological base at a particular enterprise, for the USSR, creating it seemed a luxury, if there are sufficiently modern and efficient 9-12 \ 9-13, for Russia it is a vital necessity. By the way, the radar is basically a problem it doesn’t (not in one of the options, but there are two of them for different diameters of the AFAR) and in India it proved to be very good, the problem is that imported elements are used in the design (for Hindus this is not a problem, for the RF Ministry of Defense it is a predictive stone), and the helmet-indicator \ (s) is generally purely “French” as on a “deck”. However, the need for the Air Force in light fighters with a more lavish flight hour cost (compared to Su) pushes the MO to buy the MiG-29SMT (9-17) which By the way, it cannot be equal to 35mu in terms of cost since in the technological plan it is much simpler and will most likely be made of Soviet stock and the remnants of the Indian order for UPG (i.e., ready-made and unclaimed blanks).
          1. donavi49
            donavi49 26 August 2013 12: 03 New
            +3
            (originally black and white)


            First, green and black, and then quickly turned into color.

            MiG MMRCA, they talked about the "35" in the context of desires to have a similar device in their own air force


            With the desire to promote the new MiG not only in India, but also much further, Algeria was among the actual ones.

            MiG-29СМТ (9-17) which, incidentally, cannot be equal in cost to 35mu because in the technological plan it is much simpler and will most likely be made of the Soviet stock and the remnants of the Indian order for UPG (i.e. already finished and unclaimed blanks).


            In general, the MiG-35 is much more technologically advanced and more economical to operate, the resources are seriously tightened there, service is much easier and cheaper, and the cost of the flight hour is reduced. This is claimed as one of the competitive advantages.

            SMT on board and in general in combat capabilities loses to the MiG-35 in the current finished configuration, but acceptable. In other words, with MiG-35 the jump will only be in relation to 9-12 and 9-13, and not to SMT.

            Here is the MiG-29M2 b / n 747, similar to the Syrians and the proposed MiG-35 for the Air Force.
      2. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 26 August 2013 11: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: Apollon
        Saving on defense is tantamount to suicide of the state. How much labor, engineering was invested and everything was down the drain.


        This is betrayal, sabotage, call it what you want, but it is. Moreover, as follows from the article, the MIG Corporation has financial problems - how can I postpone the conclusion of a contract in such a situation? Russia is not the United States that would have to scatter contracts on as many as 40 aircraft. Aircraft are needed yesterday, but given the situation in the Middle East the day before yesterday.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 26 August 2013 11: 51 New
          +2
          Well, here they are building their 24 for the Navy, for example, only the first 4 this year, but in general it’s good if they don’t disrupt and close the contract in 2016.

          The contract for the MiG-35, MiG-29M / 2, MiG-29СМТ will not solve the MiG problem, unless of course it is a question of stupidly cutting the advance. No slots in Lukhovitsy request .
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 28 August 2013 08: 37 New
          0
          THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE COUNTRY. Is it really not clear?
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 26 August 2013 18: 05 New
        0
        Quote: Apollon
        How much labor, engineering thought was invested and everything was down the drain. am


        And what does this have to do with it? It’s just that Pogasyan urgently needs to beat off the grandmother, and the idea that a bad state does not buy very good MIGs has gone to the masses ...
  3. fklj
    fklj 26 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +1
    They postpone it, and after a few years it will no longer make sense. It’s time to launch the fifth generation in a series, but they have not really mastered the four with pluses.
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 26 August 2013 09: 18 New
    +7
    What can I say, the situation with the Mig-35, of course, is sad, but you can’t get anything done, such is the state of industry and the state as a whole.
    I hope that the Beetle-A, and the fighter as a whole, will nevertheless finalize and the Mig-35 appear in our Air Force.
    As for the Mig-29SMT, the order for it can be taken as a temporary measure.
    Although, of course, it is a pity for lost time.
  5. awg75
    awg75 26 August 2013 09: 24 New
    0
    kb dry however does not allow MIG to develop ... competition in the form of absurdity
    1. Airman
      Airman 26 August 2013 09: 35 New
      +5
      Quote: awg75
      kb dry however does not allow MIG to develop ... competition in the form of absurdity

      And this is the main reason for the refusal to supply MiG-35. Ivashov in his article correctly said that the ratio of light MiG fighters to heavy SUs should be 70 to 30, and here we have a skew. No one belittles the merits of SU, but Pogosyan, in order to please his ambitions, cannot spread rot to other firms.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 26 August 2013 10: 07 New
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        Quote: Povshnik
        And this is the main reason for the refusal to supply MiG-35.

        I myself am a categorical opponent of Pogosyan’s monopoly. But in fairness, I must say that the main reason for abandoning the MiG-35 is the lack of readiness of the radar and the production base.
        It was not Poghosyan who was to blame for the defeat of the Mikoyan Design Bureau and the Banner of Labor, the then leadership of the Mig and the overall market reforms in the Russian Federation were to blame.
        1. Airman
          Airman 26 August 2013 10: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey

          I myself am a categorical opponent of Pogosyan’s monopoly. But in fairness, I must say that the main reason for abandoning the MiG-35 is the lack of readiness of the radar and the production base.
          It was not Poghosyan who was to blame for the defeat of the Mikoyan Design Bureau and the Banner of Labor, the then leadership of the Mig and the overall market reforms in the Russian Federation were to blame.

          The MiG leadership did not have time to bend, Poghosyan caved in first, promising in addition to the SU also a superjet.
          1. Jurkovs
            Jurkovs 26 August 2013 12: 03 New
            0
            The Chinese factor is to blame. If the Chinese in the 90s would have chosen Mig instead of Su, then the situation would be the opposite.
            1. Ka-52
              Ka-52 26 August 2013 14: 49 New
              +4
              It was not Poghosyan who was to blame for the defeat of the Mikoyan Design Bureau and the Banner of Labor, the then leadership of the Mig and the overall market reforms in the Russian Federation were to blame.

              I agree with that! fellow
              The MiG leadership did not have time to bend, Poghosyan caved in first, promising in addition to the SU also a superjet.

              The Chinese factor is to blame. If the Chinese in the 90s would have chosen Mig instead of Su, then the situation would be the opposite.

              With this - no!

              Poghosyan is still a "competent" manager, for the period of the collapse of the 90s he managed, as you say, to "bend" and save not only people, but also the production base, which means a lot now, when the company has finally matured for large orders. And the fact that he is lobbying his Dryers everywhere is only to him in +. For me, there would be more of such “Poghosians,” Mig would have had his own Poghosyan, would not have had to produce the MIG-29SMT.
              I wish Miga luck, he deserves it! hi
            2. lazy
              lazy 26 August 2013 14: 58 New
              0
              the Chinese have chosen the best
  6. Hey
    Hey 26 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +1
    The other day there was information that the contract for the supply of MIG-35 to our Air Force will be signed at MAKS-2013.
    1. denson06
      denson06 26 August 2013 14: 13 New
      +1
      If this is true, then it should become known on 27-29 of August .. these are the days, according to the rules of MAX-2013, allotted for such undertakings ..
      I'll be there on August 31 .. maybe I will be able to find out something from the organizers in more detail - I promise to unsubscribe about this, if they do not get ahead and please with high-quality photos ..
    2. igor67
      igor67 26 August 2013 22: 10 New
      -1
      Quote: MUD
      The other day there was information that the contract for the supply of MIG-35 to our Air Force will be signed at MAKS-2013.

      Four newest combat aircraft could not take off at the rehearsal of MAKS 2013

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      Newspaper Title: MAX Technique Failure
      At the training of the "presidential" show all fifth-generation cars were embarrassed - the "nails" of the exhibition

      The rehearsal of the "presidential" air show, which should take place on the day of the opening of MAKS-2013 in Zhukovsky, ended in embarrassment. According to MK sources present at this event, on August 22, none of the four Sukhoi combat aircraft, three T-50s and one Su-35, declared in as the main spectacular "nails" of the air show.
  7. 0255
    0255 26 August 2013 09: 30 New
    +6
    You don’t know who to blame for the situation with the MiGami-35 - Poghosyan or corruption. (((
    Generally sorry RSK "MiG". In Soviet times, the Mikoyan Design Bureau produced thousands of its fighters; no one in the 1960-1970s could even think of such a deplorable financial situation of the Design Bureau in the 1990-2010s. And now: MiG-AT lost the contest, MiG MFIs were killed after 2 flights. The MiG-29 is being finalized in versions of the MiG-29M, MiG-29 OVT, MiG-35 - and they also do not need anyone.
    What is it now for the migrants - first they receive orders for a tiny batch of MiG-35, and then they are refused.
    Give MiG-35 to Iran !!! Iranians will definitely not refuse them. It would be something to fight off the Americans if something happens.
    1. fklj
      fklj 26 August 2013 09: 34 New
      +2
      You don’t know who to blame for the situation with the MiGami-35 - Poghosyan or corruption. (((
      Fact. The unwillingness of the state to have the MiG-35 in service.
    2. Retx
      Retx 26 August 2013 09: 36 New
      +3
      IMHO. It is necessary to give work on the sixth generation of the MiG Design Bureau, if Bondarev said that it would be drones, then the MiG would be better. Poghosyanschina already got it.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 26 August 2013 09: 46 New
      12
      You are not right:
      Today's MiG has production in Lukhovitsy and they are sewn up there. Of the works - K / UB for the Russian Navy, K / UB for India + another option for 24 aircraft, the Syrian MiG-29M / 2 - which is still unclear with them, so the pace for them is residual (due to this 4 MiG-29K / UB will be transferred Russian Navy this year, not in 2014). Plus Lukhovitsy is engaged in the modernization of MiGs for the same India.

      Therefore, until 2016, they have a lot of work to do.

      Regarding the thousands of MiGs in the 60-70, so in those years Sukhoi sat on breadcrumbs, only the Su-7 was rather unsuccessful and the Su-9, until the Su-15 / 17 was made. Let’s completely remember, and then, no one shouted, poor Sukhoi was spread rot!

      According to the MiG-AT - it was objectively worse and the layout is the last generation. Yak-130 opposite turned out to be breakthrough and successful. Which plane to take into service?

      According to the IFIs - he has a layout from 80's, which in fact showed dubious effectiveness, plus all the Plasma there, new engines, etc. that he was counting on, they died from the USSR. He himself has never once been inconspicuous, does not have outstanding LTH.

      What is it now for migrants - first they receive orders for a tiny batch of MiG-35

      First, let them assemble the ordered aircraft under 60, and on the same MiG-35 glider.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 26 August 2013 16: 02 New
        0
        LLC wanted to write the same thing. About Lukhovtsy and the whole moment.
  8. 11 black
    11 black 26 August 2013 09: 31 New
    +4
    My opinion is that the Mug 35 is still not ready for the Zhuk A radar with active phased array (AFAR), which was supposed to be the main difference from the Mig 29 of all modifications and increase the potential of the aircraft by an order of magnitude, without this Mig 35 station, as noted above, not far from 29. (for comparison, Zhuk-M will detect a fighter at a distance of 130 km, Zhuk-A will detect it at a distance of 200 km, the situation is the same as well) and so we wish the Fazotron Research Institute to bring the radar to mind as soon as possible, since she holds the supply of a series of fighters. IMHO
  9. Nitup
    Nitup 26 August 2013 10: 19 New
    +4
    Manturov called the date of signing the contract for the purchase of the MiG-35

    The head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade stated that the agreement could be signed at the air show in Zhukovsky
    The Minister of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov said that the Ministry of Defense could sign a contract for the purchase of MiG-35 aircraft as part of the MAKS-2013 air show, which will be held in Zhukovsky near Moscow from August 27 to September 1. It is reported by RIA Novosti.

    According to Manturov, the defense department does not refuse to purchase military aircraft, as previously reported in the press. On the contrary, as the minister emphasized, at present "the document is being prepared for signing."

    In mid-August, the media reported that the Ministry of Defense postponed the signing of an agreement with MiG for this year to buy 37 fighters for 37 billion rubles. This agreement, as stated in the press, was to become one of the largest defense contracts for this year.
    Subsequently, the defense department commented on the information that appeared. The ministry explained that the signing of the agreement was postponed to 2016. This decision, according to the military, was made at the request of the Ministry of Finance, which proposed to transfer part of the expenses of the state arms program of Russia for 2014 - 2016 for the period after 2016.
  10. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 26 August 2013 10: 29 New
    -4
    <<< Companies involved in the construction of the MiG-35, at the moment, can not fulfill such a large order. >>>
    Who is in the know? Maybe it’s the case in Poghosyan, who swelled all the state funds allocated to the aviation industry to his Puertjets, without leaving
    nothing else (in terms of capacity upgrades)?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 26 August 2013 10: 35 New
      10
      Oh yes, Poghosyan is to blame.

      In fact, everything is easier when they received their first export money in market conditions, the damned Poghosyan spent money on development and re-equipment, but the MiG RSK built the largest business center in Europe.

      Today, Lukhovitsy is loaded up to the 16 of the year with orders (he wrote above K / UB for the Russian Navy, K / UB for the Indian Navy, M / 2 for the SAR Air Force, modernization of the UPG for the Indian Air Force).

      Also, the subcontractors are working to the limit, since the engine drivers with RD-33МК certainly, more than now they can’t release engines (15 year expansion project). And yes, production in Lukhovitsy was re-equipped with the efforts of the damned Poghosyan laughing .
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 26 August 2013 14: 58 New
        +2
        donavi49 - respect hi
        Talk about the case!

        For some reason, people do not read comments. laughing And continues with tenacity donkeys lament: "Poghosyan killed Mig!"
  11. My address
    My address 26 August 2013 10: 40 New
    +1
    I know that for the tank needed in support of the BMP. I heard that destroyers are needed for a cruiser. Why do we develop mostly heavy fighters? What, in the front aviation Su-25 will do everything?
  12. krpmlws
    krpmlws 26 August 2013 10: 46 New
    +2
    Something I don’t understand, the situation is muddy. They put forward the Mig-35 Indian tender: just sign the contract, we’ll do it at once; and when for myself: there’s no money, the production is not ready, and the Radar Beetle wasn’t brought to mind. and I say: somehow everything is muddy.
  13. Professor
    Professor 26 August 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    The construction of the MiG-35 is again postponed.

    Sorry. So in general MiG will be killed, only Poghosyan and Co. will be left.
  14. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 26 August 2013 12: 14 New
    0
    I would like to see the opinion of experts, but do we need a light fighter or not? If the Su-35 is better than the Miga in the entire range of its performance characteristics, it has its own lotions. For export Mig will go like hot cakes, in small batches, if put on production. But who will give the money? At first, the Chinese in the 90s realized that a heavy fighter is better than a light one, now India has thought of it. Yakovlev Design Bureau intercepted the niche of combat training aircraft capable of both attack and aerial combat, and will also remove foam from this. Mig urgently needs to develop UAV shock drums, while this niche is not intercepted. The Americans are showing a massive transfer of aircraft to the other side of the planet, Mig is not imprisoned for this, and Su is suitable for this. Light fighters can completely disappear from the military doctrines of the most developed countries.
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 26 August 2013 14: 51 New
      +1
      Quote: Jurkovs
      I would like to see the opinion of experts, but do we need a light fighter or not? If the Su-35 is better than the Miga in the entire range of its performance characteristics, it has its own lotions.

      Not a specialist. Russia needs a lightweight fighter, possibly with slightly reduced impact characteristics, with one economical engine, an air refueling system, with simplified runway requirements, and ease of maintenance. In service with a missile in-in with a range of 100-200 km., With possible guidance from an external source. Stealth technology is welcome. In addition to it, you need a DRLO aircraft with AFAR in dimensions of no more than Tu-204, as well as a system of DRLO airships capable of carrying round-the-clock duty for more than a month. + data transmission system linking both detection systems and fighters.
      This is better than launching the mass production of the rather expensive Su-35S, in any case its radar will not be replaced by an AWACS aircraft, and the large mass limits its placement or requires high performance from the runway. Also, the presence of two engines increases operating costs, especially when using UVT.
      Those. Russia needs a mass aircraft capable of replacing decommissioned MiG-29s in a short time, more suited for mass production than the Su-35S.
      PS: as an analogue of Saab JAS 39 Gripen; Boeing 737AEW & C; JLENS; Link-16.
  15. Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 26 August 2013 16: 07 New
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    In general, I would like to take a look at the TTX: MiG-29; MiG-29SMT; MiG-29OVT; MiG-29M2; MiG-35, in order to understand their difference, otherwise they don’t understand the subject of discussion ... and yet, we have a united Aircraft Corporation right ?! , and no one wants to kill any KB ...
    1. Nayhas
      Nayhas 26 August 2013 19: 28 New
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      The development of the MiG-29 consists of two parts.
      MiG-29SMT is the development of the MiG-29 in its case without any changes. This is the only thing that increased the gargrot, thereby increasing the fuel supply. + changes on avionics.
      MiG-29M / MiG-35 is an evolution of the MiG-29 with dramatic changes in the fuselage. It all started with the MiG-29K on the basis of which they decided to make the MiG-29M, or vice versa, but it doesn’t matter. They slightly changed the fuselage, increased the internal volume of the tanks, changed the wing, new alloys were applied, and welding was widely used. + Avionics of course.
      They can be distinguished by the crests on the wings, on the MiG-29 and MiG-29SMT ridges in which heat traps are installed, are present on the MiG-29M and MiG-35.
      MiG-29M as they say passed part of the GSI, but after 1991. they decided not to buy it. MiG needed a car for export, so the MiG-29SMt appeared for which it would not be necessary to rebuild production. This is most likely now and is the main obstacle to the purchase of the MiG-35, MiG-29SMT is much cheaper ...
  16. lelikas
    lelikas 26 August 2013 16: 51 New
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    Quote: pinecone
    But they are going to build in Moscow the largest ferris wheel in the world, and in St. Petersburg a new aquarium for three and a half billion.

    I don’t know how about the wheel, but the aquarium is funded by private investors. It is unlikely that they will give them on airplanes.
  17. Wiruz
    Wiruz 26 August 2013 19: 53 New
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    Honestly, I won’t be surprised if the MiG-35 begins to enter the Air Force en masse not earlier than in a couple of years, although by that time it will already be less popular since by that time there will be Western counterparts superior to it.
    Somehow it turns out strange: before long harnessed but quickly rode; and now - and harness for a long time, and drive slowly.
  18. Bosun
    Bosun 26 August 2013 22: 57 New
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    But no one said that the 35th is completely ready for service, all the tests have been passed, no comments? Are there flaws or not? Are all childhood diseases eliminated?
    Or do you need to make boards first, and then in emergency mode bring to condition?
    The plant itself, ready for mass production of aircraft?
    Let's wait for MAX and see if they sign a contract or not. We will not run ahead of the loggers screaming all the way.
  19. gerafak
    gerafak 26 August 2013 23: 55 New
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    The main reason is still in the field of finance. The state has taken on too many obligations in the field of the army, medicine, and education, it is no longer possible to fulfill them, we have to depreciate the ruble, refuse something, in general, maintain a good face in case of a bad game.
    The question of the appropriateness of certain expenses will always be controversial, but, I repeat, they are gradually reducing it everywhere, financial cloudless well-being is not expected in the coming years.
  20. mirag2
    mirag2 28 August 2013 08: 47 New
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    There’s nothing to do with corruption! The state does not have money. Well, not that it’s not, but not enough. Not pensions (hence the increase in the retirement age and other budget “optimizations”), nor on military orders. My wife works at a military enterprise, which previously had unique equipment — it was sold back in the early 2000s — they live off by leasing production facilities. A military order is waiting for components for helicopters, something else. And this is Moscow. I imagine what happened to the military it’s scary to become production in the regions. It was not at the right time that gas fell in price. Putin needed to agree to the terms of the representative of Saudi intelligence. A blow to Syria would be inflicted anyway. But if Qatar was lucky, Europe did not agree and did not take money for Syria , and if they’re not lucky, it means the lave took it right. For it will support our economy, and now, oh, how much money you need, get out of your ass.
    What jobs are there? Hence all the problems — unemployment, lack of money, overdue loans — crime, drunkenness, drug addiction, illness, and further decline without any Bulk.
  21. 0990391089
    0990391089 29 August 2013 16: 35 New
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    who nada yetot samaliot? lol
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