Who benefits from information about the possible merger of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Russian Defense Ministry?

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Last week, a number of media outlets, citing sources in the government lobby, published information that Sergei Shoigu allegedly offered to unite the two ministries: the Emergencies Ministry and the Ministry of Defense. The reasons were different. From the fact that servicemen of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation often have to participate in confronting emergency situations and eliminating their consequences (flooding in the Amur region as one example), to the fact that such a union can lead to personnel optimization and allow the government to save a lot. It would seem that there really is something in this sentence, but ...

After a short period of time, a certain, naturally unnamed, source from the Ministry of Defense stated that the idea of ​​combining the Emergencies Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was an invention of the media, and Sergei Shoigu did not offer anything like that.

After such contradictory information flows, the impression was created that the first was far from being a simple informational stuffing, and the second was not exactly the kind of refutation that should appear at the official level in such cases. In principle, the Ministry of Defense might have thought that if the media published data on the aspirations of combining the two departments, citing some secret sources, then the information should be refuted in about the same vein.

On the other hand, the appearance of information about the possible merger of the main defense and chief emergency agencies of the Russian Federation is somewhat like the sounding of the soil. Recently, the option of preliminary monitoring of public opinion through statements of "unnamed sources" in the media is actively used. Often there is a situation in which the source is quite well-known person, but not included in the circle of representatives of the power elite. We can recall several episodes with the expression of proposals from Vladimir Zhirinovsky or Dmitry Rogozin (when he was not yet a member of the government), in which (the proposals) public opinion was run-in. The most interesting thing is that the semi-intrusions today are actively working and bring quite real results to the organizers: nobody seemed to be offering anything officially, but you can make a judgment about how all this can be perceived in certain circles.

How is it perceived? Well, if we talk about the perception of the Russian people, we have somehow managed to get used to the fact that no one has asked us for a long time about the attitude to the need to carry out or not to carry out any perturbations at the federal government level ... They say if someone is there at the top he decided, which means it remains to accept this as an objective blessing ... Sovereign democracy, - as a man once said, information about a possible return to the Kremlin, which also took place at the same level as information about the unification of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Defense.

If we talk about a possible association seriously, then it is worth looking for those people to whom it could be profitable. For obvious reasons, Sergei Shoigu could be the first to win. Why? Because he would have got a super ministry in his hands, in one of the segments of which he is generally like a fish in water, and the other has truly impressive strategic opportunities. Obviously, a super-power structure would appear in Russian reality, well-equipped and allowing its possible head to consolidate their political positions. And in the event that Sergei Shoigu would head this impressive structure, he would have a chance to declare himself politically as clearly as it is possible under current conditions.

Is it beneficial for anyone else on the Russian political Olympus? We can assume that Vladimir Putin would have supported this idea. His sympathy for the current head of the defense department is hard to miss. Far from every minister happens to be fishing with the president ...
True, there is also at least one person who is still “glowing” on such fishing trips. This is the head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Dmitry Medvedev, who seems to be an integral half of the “tandem”. However, the very word “tandem” is used today, if not in an abusive context, then obviously with less enthusiasm than it was, say, four years ago. And if you take into account the hypothetical post of Shoigu as the head of the united ministry, this appointment would be a significant blow to the positions of Dmitry Medvedev. Today, Shoigu’s growing popularity is under pressure on the prime minister’s position, well, if the defense minister got access to the Emergencies Ministry, and in the context of domestic realities, there is also an opportunity to appear more often in media reports and on television screens, then Medvedev has a chance to stay in tandem "would remain negligible.

By the way, analyzing news reports of major Russian television channels, we can conclude that Dmitry Anatolyevich often doesn’t have a place in them at all, but Sergei Kuzhugetovich’s broadcast, as they say, is all right. What is it for? If we assume that this is a simple coincidence, then we must admit that the natural naivety of the admitter is extremely high ...

However, the same information (exactly the information itself) about the possible unification of the Ministry of Emergency Situations with the Ministry of Defense could benefit to Dmitry Medvedev. Which one? Well, if we assume that the Ministry of Defense didn’t really talk about any integration of the two ministries, it turns out that someone decided to expose Shoigu as an official who wants to get more power to his hands. What was the purpose of such a move? For example, in order to draw the president’s attention to the growing appetites of a single minister. Perhaps the president will decide that these very growing appetites are capable of striking a built-up vertical, and will stop their joint fishing with Sergei Kuzhugetovich ...

Well, it remains to wait for the next informational stage (if there will be one at all) dedicated to the relationship between the Emergency Situations Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in order to make a final conclusion about who actually the words about their association were beneficial in the first place.
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  1. +12
    26 August 2013 08: 46
    Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,
    tandems, separation or merger, or even takeover of ministries, haven’t bothered?
    1. +22
      26 August 2013 09: 09
      Greetings. I agree!
      By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
      1. +6
        26 August 2013 09: 40
        His Grace Prince Menshikov they can not surpass.
        On taste and color - there is no Shoigu, but it smells like Zaitsev.
        The OTS source hinted that there would be a united "Ministry of Peace", and from the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs - "Ministry of Love".
        1. Asan Ata
          +1
          26 August 2013 12: 52
          On the military department of Great Britain it is written frankly - the Ministry of War.
      2. +1
        26 August 2013 10: 01
        klimpopov Today, 09:09
        Shoigu did not have a chance to serve in the army. Has no idea how to wrap footcloths. At one time he "grew" from a reserve starley to a major general. Honest officers, through their work, service, sweat and blood, achieve high ranks and awards. And he is a deflection in front of another Russian autocrat. Hence the love for "petals" and "stars". Gave him in his old age to play "war". To command the military and to revile the general's uniform.
        1. +15
          26 August 2013 10: 09
          Quote: Kombitor
          Shoigu did not have a chance to serve in the army. Has no idea how to wrap footcloths. At one time he "grew" from a reserve starley to a major general. Honest officers, through their work, service, sweat and blood, achieve high ranks and awards. And he is a deflection in front of another Russian autocrat. Hence the love for "petals" and "stars". Gave him in his old age to play "war". To command the military and to revile the general's uniform.


          I believe that you are wrong here. A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergency Situations. For such a short period in the post of Minister of Defense, he brought so much positive into the army.
          The most important thing is trying and doing everything possible to the best of his abilities and capabilities to strengthen the country's defense capabilities.
          And here you dragged footcloths and about the deflection .......?! am
          Less to you.
          1. +17
            26 August 2013 10: 18
            Quote: Apollon
            .Man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies.

            Who told you? In the USSR, there was a powerful system of civil defense (civil defense), which was equipped with the most modern technology and means: track-laying, fire equipment, pipeline parts, bridge-building and pontoon detachments, field hospitals, mobile bakeries, etc. etc. All this was successfully stolen and sold! And the gullible "electorate" is now rubbed in about Shoigu's merits. Plain cheap PR!
            And further. In Soviet times, GO was part of the USSR Armed Forces. Quote from TSB (Great Soviet Encyclopedia):
            "The Armed Forces of the USSR are divided into types: Strategic Rocket Forces, Ground Forces, Air Defense Forces of the country, Air Force, Navy, and also include the Logistics of the Armed Forces, headquarters and troops of the Civil Defense. The types of the Armed Forces, in turn, are divided into branches of the armed forces, branches of the armed forces (Navy) and special troops, which organizationally consist of subunits, units, formations. The Armed Forces also include border and internal troops. The Armed Forces of the USSR have a unified system of organization and recruitment, centralized control, unified principles of training and education of personnel and training of command personnel, a general procedure for the passage of service by privates, sergeants and officers. "
            1. +3
              26 August 2013 10: 36
              Quote: Colonel
              In the USSR there was a powerful civil defense system (civil defense), which was equipped with the most modern equipment and means: track-laying, fire fighting equipment, pipeline parts,


              That's exactly what existed and then what remains of GO?! Actually, Shoigu was recreated anew. It’s impossible to break it. In any case, the best minister to date is from the current government, and polls say this.
              1. +7
                26 August 2013 10: 57
                Quote: Apollon
                That's exactly what existed and what then, what remains of GO ?!

                What Shoigu did not cut. Because he was engaged in the "disposal" of the troops of the USSR Civil Defense
            2. 0
              26 August 2013 10: 49
              Quote: Colonel
              Who told you? In the USSR there was a powerful civil defense system

              it was somewhat different, by the way, do not tell me who dealt with the consequences of the earthquake in Spitak, not really GO?
          2. +13
            26 August 2013 10: 21
            Greetings. In vain you are minuscule, being led on the PR image of Shoigu.

            Quote: Apollon
            A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies

            He did not create, he reduced to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies what Marshal of the Soviet Union Chuikov created for 11 years. Almost from scratch.

            Quote: Apollon
            and about the deflection

            And he received this Soviet inheritance precisely by deflecting Yeltsin’s unconditional support in the seizure of power and the collapse of the USSR. So elective the chairman of the public organization "Union of Rescuers" became Minister of Emergency Situations.
            1. malikszh
              0
              26 August 2013 11: 06
              It seems to me that the task of the USSR Armed Forces was to protect the case of war and the Ministry of Emergencies is now engaged in protection against all types of disasters, not only in Russia but around the world
              1. 0
                26 August 2013 18: 43
                Quote: malikszh
                It seems to me that the task of the USSR Armed Forces was to protect the case of war and the Ministry of Emergencies is now engaged in protection against all types of disasters, not only in Russia but around the world

                The civil defense system in the USSR dates back to 4 on October 1932, when the local air defense was formed as an integral part of the country's air defense system. MPVO was a system of measures carried out with local authorities in order to protect the population and economic objects from enemy attacks from the air, eliminate the consequences of its attacks, create normal conditions for the work of industrial enterprises, power plants, transport, etc.
                In 1940, as the Main Directorate of MPVO, it was included in the system of the NKVD-MVD of the USSR.
                In 1961, the MPVO was reorganized into the Civil Defense (Civil Defense) of the USSR, the position of the head of Civil Defense was introduced. In 1971, the leadership of the civil defense was assigned to the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, the day-to-day leadership was assigned to the chief of the civil defense — deputy minister of defense of the USSR (chief of the civil defense forces).
                Responsibility for local government was vested in the Councils of Ministers of the republics, executive committees of the Councils of People's Deputies, ministries, departments, organizations and enterprises, whose leaders were the heads of civil defense. With them, GO headquarters and various services were created.
                In 1991, the civil defense system was included in the State Committee of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Disaster Management (with 1994 - EMERCOM).
                ROLE AND TASKS OF CIVIL DEFENSE OF THE USSR
                Civil defense (GO) is a system of national defense measures carried out with the aim of protecting the population and the national economy in emergency situations of peace and war, increasing the sustainability of the functioning of the national economy, as well as rescue and other urgent work (SIDR) in response to natural disasters, accidents (catastrophes) and in lesions.
                In the 1970-ies, new types of formations of high alert civil defense units were created: combined detachments and teams of mechanization of work, and then civil defense troops.
                In 1971, the leadership of the civil defense was assigned to the Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR, and the system itself was transferred to the Ministry of Defense. From that moment, the heyday of both the civil defense system and the DOSAAF system (voluntary society for rescue from the army, aviation and navy) began. Many events were held, a tremendous material base was created, which is still used today.
                Since 1987, Civil Defense has officially been entrusted with the responsibility of protecting the population and national economy from the consequences of accidents, catastrophes, natural disasters, and carrying out rescue and restoration work. The question arose about the formation of a unified state system that provides advance preparation for actions in extreme conditions to overcome emergency situations caused by major accidents, catastrophes and natural disasters. Such a statement of the issue did not in any way imply a substitution or vice versa replacing the country's civil defense system with a new system. On the contrary, it envisaged a wider use of the capabilities of the Civil Defense system in overcoming various emergency situations.
                On December 27 of 1990, the Decision of the RSFSR Council of Ministers “On the formation of the Russian rescue corps on the rights of the RSFSR state committee, as well as the formation of a unified state-public system for forecasting, preventing and eliminating the consequences of emergency situations” was adopted.
                17 April 1991 year, the Deputy Chairman of the Gosstroy of the RSFSR Sergei Shoigu was appointed chairman of the Russian rescue corps.
            2. 0
              26 August 2013 11: 13
              Quote: Spade
              being carried on a PR image of Shoigu.


              I’m not talking about PR, our respected anti-Shoigovets. To date, I don’t see any alternatives to him as Minister of Defense. And who do you see ?!
              1. +5
                26 August 2013 11: 20
                Yes, anyone. Having at least minimal command experience. And the one who does not drag all of his shortcomings from one ministry to another.
                1. 0
                  26 August 2013 12: 04
                  Quote: Spade
                  Yes anyone


                  This is not an answer.
                  Quote: Spade
                  Having at least minimal command experience.


                  eg?! Shamanova ?! A good commander, but no experience of this magnitude.


                  Quote: Spade
                  And the one who does not drag all of his shortcomings from one ministry to another.


                  I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you ?! winked
                  1. -1
                    26 August 2013 12: 59
                    Quote: Apollon
                    I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you ?!

                    The fact that he was worse than Serdyukov. Zero real cases, all the forces go to the PR of a loved one.
                  2. +2
                    26 August 2013 17: 03
                    Quote: Apollon
                    I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you?

                    And what did he please you with, an apartment, a car, a bank account?
                    Crimea was drowned, now Khabarovsk and the Far East are being drowned. before that, the SSH HPP "rushed" and so on. etc. The to-do list is huge.
                    Quote: Spade
                    He did not create, he reduced to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies what Marshal of the Soviet Union Chuikov created for 11 years. Almost from scratch.

                    Categorically true Komrad writes.
                    Quote: Apollon
                    That's exactly what existed and what then, what remains of GO?! In fact, Shoigu recreated again.

                    I sobbed burning tears from affection for the "re-creator".
                    Quote: Apollon
                    In any case, the best minister to date is from the current composition of the government, and polls speak of this.

                    And who writes the polls?
                    Why did he suddenly become the BEST Minister, Because of the worst previous?

                    You surprised me to the knees.
                2. +5
                  26 August 2013 12: 09
                  Quote: Spade
                  Having at least minimal command experience.


                  Shoigu doesn’t have that either. Terribly far from the army man.
                  After graduating from the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic, Sergei Kuzhugetovich managed, judging by the official biography, to work both as craftsmen and foremen, and as managers of several construction trusts on the territory of the Tuva Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. By profession, the future Minister of Disasters is a civil engineer, in a sense, a colleague of his high patron, who was in charge of construction issues in Sverdlovsk. Shoigu used to love to talk about how in childhood he sat on Yeltsin’s lap.
                  And his appointment as Minister of Defense is not clear to a fool - the Minister is absolutely devoted to the tandem.
                  1. 0
                    26 August 2013 23: 00
                    what construction minister of defense! belay
                  2. +1
                    26 August 2013 23: 53
                    Vadivak Today, 12: 09
                    <And his appointment as Minister of Defense is not clear to a fool only - the Minister is absolutely loyal to the tandem>
                    It seems to me that Shoigu is prepared, just in case of fire, another role: in which case, become for Putin what Putin became for Yeltsin. In my opinion, this is one of the reasons why Shoigu was appointed defense minister.
                    The fact that Shoigu is a loyal lackey-putinoid is one thing, but when under the authority of this lackey such a colossus as MO is already completely different. And I think about the unification of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies - there is no smoke without fire.
                3. +2
                  26 August 2013 13: 16
                  Lopatov

                  I will support you.

                  But besides MO, there are several key figures - the NSS, the commanders of the military forces, types and arms of the armed forces and their countless deputies.
                  That's who you need to shake and see - for what merits they took their posts.
                  Otherwise, it will be like in the story with the "secret hero of Russia" - Mr. Makarov and the super minister Serdyukov.
          3. series
            +12
            26 August 2013 10: 25
            Quote: Apollon
            A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies

            take an interest in the number, composition and equipment of the troops of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR, the range of tasks they solve, the training institutions training personnel ...
            Was it worth it to create "funny rescuers" from scratch, destroying the already established powerful structure of the country's civil defense?
          4. +4
            26 August 2013 14: 21
            Apollon Today, 10:09 ↑
            How old are you?
            I do not think that you are so young not to know that in order to create the Ministry of Emergencies, as you say "from scratch," it was first necessary to destroy the entire civil defense system of the Soviet Union. Moreover, in those years everything Soviet was deliberately destroyed. And the fire brigade "joined" the Emergencies Ministry as a result of the collusion of Shoigu and Gryzlov, then the Minister of Internal Affairs. Shoigu promised the "votes" of the Emergencies Ministry workers in the parliamentary elections for the party in power, in exchange for this, the fire brigade was transferred to the Emergencies Ministry. It became a black day for all firefighters in Russia.
            Therefore, do not expose Shoigu as a sort of ideological fighter. His main goal is to gain unlimited power. And he did not create anything from scratch. Almost everything was presented to him in finished form.
          5. +2
            26 August 2013 22: 56
            I welcome you Apollon. The Ministry of Emergencies was created on the basis of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl. It was a huge force with a good material and technical base. and do not forget the fire department, then it was subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. so from scratch it somehow doesn’t work out. with respect hi
            1. +1
              26 August 2013 23: 02
              Quote: lonely
              Greetings


              mutually hi
              Quote: lonely
              Civil Defense of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl. It was a huge force with a good material and technical base.


              I agree.

              Quote: lonely
              and do not forget the fire department, then it was subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.


              I remember and know.


              Quote: lonely
              so that from scratch somehow it doesn’t work


              with the collapse of the USSR, once collapsed, not only a single army but also GO.


              Quote: lonely
              .with respect


              mutually hi
            2. +1
              26 August 2013 23: 30
              Quote: lonely
              .MES was created on the basis of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl.

              1986 MOE does not even smell. Firefighters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, later the Moscow Region, almost all the IMRs left there. GO at that time was almost the same feeding trough as trade unions. And the Ministry of Emergencies began from scratch. In 1988, he first heard about him in Spitak. In 1991 he was officially recognized as the chairman of the Russian rescue corps. And the Ministry of Emergencies took over Chernobyl in 1997. So from scratch!
              1. 0
                26 August 2013 23: 54
                Quote: perepilka
                GO at that time was almost the same feeding trough as trade unions.

                What are you writing nonsense? Units 148 OMMBr GO there appeared the day after the accident
          6. psdf
            0
            26 August 2013 23: 03
            Many after the demobilization went to the Ministry of Emergencies with his kind word, and then they remembered, and now.
        2. +13
          26 August 2013 10: 09
          Quote: Kombitor
          And he is a deflection before the next Russian autocrat.

          Not certainly in that way. His father was a friend of EBN, so he didn’t need to serve in the army or finish the academies. As, however, and the overwhelming majority of today's top officials - you just need to be a classmate, friend, neighbor in the Ozero cooperative, etc. It's that simple!
        3. +6
          26 August 2013 11: 57
          Quote: Kombitor
          Shoigu was not able to serve in the army.

          And Serdyukov did not have a chance. And Golikova did not get a medical education, and Skrynnik only knew how to steal in agriculture, and the new minister, Novikov, also without specialized education, and the minister of education, without education (In 2003, with a devastating score, he failed in the elections of correspondents in the Physical Sciences Department of the Russian Academy of Sciences) Minister of Culture - The main "culture worker" of Russia Vladimir Medinsky declared chanson "the main educator of" civicism "and refused to finance the Moscow festival of the world's symphony orchestras.

          So, having a brain will think.
        4. 0
          26 August 2013 16: 19
          Well, it’s in vain, you are so
      3. +6
        26 August 2013 10: 34
        Klimpopov: Everything is correct, about the uniform and the cap, I support it. negativeTotal tastelessness.
      4. +3
        26 August 2013 11: 44
        Klim, form and strand, to put it mildly, is not modest. This is the 1st. And 2nd, well, why the hell in a bunch to collect two huge apparatus? Won't the Army come to the rescue of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in extreme time? Or is itching reformism still not abated?
      5. Asan Ata
        0
        26 August 2013 12: 50
        A guy wherever, and the form - the author is known
        1. AK-47
          +1
          26 August 2013 23: 25
          Quote: Asan Ata
          A guy wherever, and the form - the author is known
      6. +4
        26 August 2013 13: 51
        Quote: klimpopov
        For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only it seems to me?

        No, it doesn't seem to you, and not only to you. I was on August 20 at the exhibition in CSKA "Innovation Day of the Ministry of Defense", I saw Shoigu there, and many officers and generals in this new uniform ... I, who served 15 years in the USSR Armed Forces and 17 years in the Russian Armed Forces, look at these mummers, to put it mildly, unpleasant. If we are accustomed to Shoigu in this guise (since the time of his Ministry of Emergency Situations), then normal servicemen in such a "outfit" are simply ridiculous and ridiculous! The first thing that came to mind was either a ringmaster from a circus, or a doorman from a restaurant. Although there is an old saying: "Who served in the army does not laugh in the circus!" Just about today's funny army.
      7. grafrozow
        +3
        26 August 2013 15: 01
        Quote: klimpopov
        By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
        +++ Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.
        1. +4
          26 August 2013 16: 35
          Quote: grafrozow
          I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.


          And on his mighty chest
          like a thousand orders
          one medal shone in a heap and that
          for years of service.
        2. +1
          26 August 2013 19: 08
          Quote: grafrozow
          Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.

          For comparison, the Soviet Minister of Defense.
          1. grafrozow
            -3
            26 August 2013 19: 25
            Quote: Aleksys2
            For comparison, the Soviet Minister of Defense.
            D.F.Ustinov, well, which minister is he? Another nomenclature.
            1. +2
              26 August 2013 21: 31
              Quote: grafrozow
              D.F.Ustinov, well, which minister is he? Another nomenclature.

              Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov was born on October 17 (30) on October 1908 in Samara in a working class family.
              1922 year - Joined the Red Army (CHON detachments) in Samarkand as a volunteer.
              1923 year - He volunteered for the 12-th Turkestan regiment. Participated in hostilities with the Basmachi.
              After demobilization in 1923, he went from a locksmith to the director of the plant.
              In November, the 1927 of the year joined the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks).
              1927 — 1929 years - locksmith at the Balakhninsky paper mill, then at the factory in Ivanovo-Voznesensk.
              In the fall of 1929, he became a student in the mechanical faculty of the Ivanovo-Ascension Polytechnic Institute. He worked as a secretary of the Komsomol organization, was a member of the party bureau of the institute.
              In the 1932 of the year, the group in which D. Ustinov studied was sent to Leningrad to staff the newly created Military Mechanical Institute (now the BSTU "Voenmekh" named after D. F. Ustinov)
              1934 year - successful graduation from the Leningrad Military Mechanical Institute.
              Since 1934 of the year - engineer, head of the bureau of operation and experimental work at the Leningrad Artillery Research Marine Institute.
              Since 1937 of the year - design engineer, deputy chief designer, director of the Bolshevik Leningrad plant.
              9 June 1941 years - 15 March 1946 years - People's Commissar of Arms of the USSR. According to the son of Beria Sergo, the appointment of Ustinov to the post of People's Commissar of Arms took place on the recommendation of L.P. Beria [1].
              15 of March 1946 of the year - 15 of March 1953 of the year - USSR Minister of Arms
              15 March 1953 of the year - 14 December 1957 of the year - Minister of Defense of the USSR.
              In 1955, by order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR, he was recognized as a member of active military service from the moment he was assigned a military rank.
              December 14 1957 of the year - March 13 1963 of the year - Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, Chairman of the Commission of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on military-industrial issues
              For the preparation of the first manned space flight (Yu. A. Gagarin, April 12 of the 1961 of the year) he was awarded the title of Hero of Socialist Labor (decree was not published) [2].
              March 13 1963 of the year - March 26 1965 of the year - First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, Chairman of the Supreme Council of the National Economy of the USSR Council of Ministers of the USSR
              26 March 1965 of the year - 26 October 1976 of the year - Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.
              29 of April 1976 of the year - 20 of December 1984 of the year - Minister of Defense of the USSR.
            2. +2
              27 August 2013 09: 30
              Quote: grafrozow
              Another nomenclature.


              Unhappy, did you go to school? Know the history of your country at least a little? Read Aleksys2's comment about Ustinov and remember: in the USSR, experienced GOVERNMENTALS who had passed all the lower levels, and not friends, classmates, children of friends, comrades-in-arms in the judo section, neighbors in the Ozero cooperative, etc. were appointed to senior management positions. how it's done now!
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        4. 0
          27 August 2013 03: 59
          Quote: grafrozow
          Quote: klimpopov
          By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
          +++ Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.

          Well, here, in my opinion, there is no less cabbage on Marshal Zhukov's cap and tunic than Shoigu's. And the cap is also small. But no one thinks that Zhukov looks like a "banana general"!
          1. +1
            27 August 2013 09: 38
            Quote: alex_asch
            But no one thinks that Zhukov looks like a "banana general"!


            First, Zhukov is the Marshal of the Soviet Union, and there are fewer of them than generals lol
            Secondly, in the photo he is in a PARADE uniform, and everyday and, moreover, a field uniform, looked much more modest, without assorted sleeve and breast "teenage" labels.
        5. 0
          27 August 2013 09: 20
          Quote: grafrozow
          Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.


          In fact, Shoigu in such a cocky uniform looks organically - due to his ethnic characteristics. But on Slavic officers (Russians, first of all), this Christmas tree blossom is just like a foreign body.
      8. +2
        26 August 2013 16: 12
        Well, he noticeably reduced his caps, it’s already good and returned the shoulder straps to his place, again, plus him
        1. +2
          26 August 2013 20: 20
          Caps were reduced by Yudashkin under Serdyukov. Shoigu increased the amount of gold embroidery and stripes plus created a new shape for himself. Well, and hung on his shoulders shoulder straps of the Marshal
      9. psdf
        0
        26 August 2013 23: 05
        There is an opinion that these are extreme echoes of a designer freestyle several years. As wear will introduce other samples.
    2. +1
      26 August 2013 09: 10
      Quote: Apollon
      When there is plenty of time, officials begin to engage in nonsense.

      Is there really nowhere to direct state money except to various associations ... then disconnections? And if necessary, you can always create a joint governing body under someone’s leadership by the decision of the President ... without going towards the current personal ambitions ...
    3. series
      +2
      26 August 2013 09: 57
      Quote: Apollon
      Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,

      Most likely this is a "duck" ...
      military commissariats removed from the Armed Forces in order to reduce the number of
      and firefighters and so on. technical staff - add?
      and this is about 300 000 person ! request
      1. AK-47
        +1
        26 August 2013 11: 59
        Quote: S-200
        Most likely it is a "duck".

        In every duck there is a desire to check the public for lice.
    4. 0
      26 August 2013 17: 54
      Quote: Apollon
      One gets the impression that there is nothing more to do. The business must be dealt with and boosted the country's economy.When there is plenty of time, officials begin to engage in nonsense.


      the comment was written in 08: 46 and here infa

      It is proposed to establish Official Day in Russia
      time 26 August 2013, 13:32

      put forward a proposal
      quote-The Governor of the Penza Region, Vasily Bochkarev, addressed the Chairman of the Council of the Federation, Valentina Matvienko, with the initiative to introduce the Day of Public Servant in Russia, noting that officials fell into the category of undeservedly forgotten holiday plan.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/26/647158.html

      Marasm Strengthens gentlemen comrades.
      As in the water looked.
      1. +3
        26 August 2013 23: 03
        wassat what a disgusting erysipelas)) wassat
        1. +2
          26 August 2013 23: 42
          What is so modest? I would broadcast right away Lord's Day Servants of the people wassat
  2. +17
    26 August 2013 08: 47
    In Soviet times, there were civil defense troops as part of the Moscow Region. The regiments of civil defense had a huge amount of machinery, equipment, they could solve a variety of tasks to protect the population. And now, in the Far East, the Ministry of Emergencies could not do anything without the army. Now there are no GO troops and Shoigu really understood the essence of his brainchild.
    1. +9
      26 August 2013 09: 02
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      And now, in the Far East, the Ministry of Emergencies could not do anything without the army.

      I once watched in Domodedovo how, after landing from the Far East, from Lexus-MOE, Lexuses rolled out

      And the troops of the Civil Defense of the USSR did obey the Minister of War.
      1. +1
        26 August 2013 11: 46
        -Vadivak: Civil Defense Forces of the USSR were still subordinate to the Minister of War.
        Civil defense must be supervised by the military, there must be discipline, and orders must be followed, not discussed. But is it just that there will be a lot of means and weapons in the same hands?
        1. +2
          26 August 2013 12: 00
          Quote: knn54
          But just how many means and weapons will be in the same hands?


          There are so few left after all the reforms and modernizations.
    2. +7
      26 August 2013 09: 51
      You are right, Anatoly.
      For a long time was the beginning. GO headquarters in the division. I remember GO in Soviet times. The present structures of civil defense in enterprises weak shadow and frank hack-work. Perhaps Shoigu looked at his army from the point of view of the army and a bit of the light.
      But the Ministry of Emergency Situations still looks good against the background of migrant FMS and the like. Why crushed the Interior Ministry after the collapse of the USSR? Officials to produce?
      1. +4
        26 August 2013 10: 07
        Alexander! nice to communicate with a person "in the subject". And the Interior Ministry was shattered in order to get an army general and hang a star.
  3. +2
    26 August 2013 08: 48
    that someone decided to expose Shoigu as an official who wants to take more power into his own hands

    This is not a lot of power, but a lot of problems and headaches. One ministry is by definition "emergency", the other is artificially made. To pull this - you will not wish the enemy.
  4. +5
    26 August 2013 09: 05
    I think the sense of uniting the MoD and the Ministry of Emergencies makes sense only for enriching officials and gaining unlimited power, on the other hand, these two ministries are completely opposite to each other and have a different purpose, one to destroy, the other to restore. It is more expedient for the Ministry of Emergency Situations to introduce, as one of the departments in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the more so they have the same tasks, to protect people from danger or to eliminate the consequences of this danger, and as for the use of soldiers of the Armed Forces and explosives, this is due to mass character, and because the Russian soldier as always, everything (digging, cordoning, etc.) As for conscripts of the Ministry of Emergencies, I saw them several times on the streets, but to use them in profile, I have never seen them, only soldiers of the Armed Forces performing their tasks!
    To summarize: to mine the structures in the Ministry of Emergencies is completely useless and its staff is unreasonably inflated, it makes sense only as separate detachments or units of professional rescuers and firefighters, which might be a dream, as a separate department in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but not like the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!
  5. optimist
    0
    26 August 2013 09: 09
    Here it is worth looking at this fact from the other side. It's not a secret for anyone that the economy is falling and not today or tomorrow Putin's "stability" will fail. And millions of Russians, a year ago the votes for the putler edrosov will take to the streets. This is where the "superministry" comes in handy under the pretext of "putting things in order." What other versions will there be? laughing
    1. 0
      26 August 2013 13: 25
      optimist

      Are you sure that the army will agree and will establish "constitutional" order within the country, replacing the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

      What for? What did Putin's regime do for her? Monetary allowance raised? So thinking people understand why this was done.

      In one you are right: those in power seem to be thinking in the same direction. But this does not mean that they think correctly and their analysis of the situation in the country is correct.

      So, I doubt your gloomy forecast.

      What kind of "optimist" are you after that?
      1. optimist
        +1
        26 August 2013 17: 36
        Quote: aviamed90
        Are you sure that the army will agree and will establish "constitutional" order within the country, replacing the structures of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?

        I am already quite an adult and I understand that it is completely impossible to be confident even in oneself! laughing If our army has fired at the people since time immemorial, then why not repeat this "feat" again? (Remember at least the not so distant events of October 93) Believe me, I do not want to denigrate anyone (moreover, I myself am a retired career officer), but I am sure that there will always be some Judas. You yourself know the speed and ease with which anti-popular laws are stamped in our country. It does not cost anything to make some amendments to the law on state of emergency (and a popular riot to determine the state of emergency). And all the reasoning like "the guys at the top decide who's got it wider" - from the evil one. Now the most important thing is to preserve power and loot. And in such a situation, all means are good!
  6. +2
    26 August 2013 09: 14
    the Dimasik cohort was frightened by the growth of Shoigu and the erosion of the influence of Dimasik himself. they rivet Shoigu, hoping to frighten GDP. but I think past the checkout.
  7. -1
    26 August 2013 09: 26
    It should be made easier when the army needs help in liquidating the emergency, it automatically goes into temporary submission to the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the territory where there is an emergency, naturally without prejudice to the defense. And for a period only after the usual situation.
    1. +3
      26 August 2013 09: 46
      You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.
      1. +4
        26 August 2013 12: 13
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.


        Only left. Traders were commanding the army, the foreman-ministry officer was commanding, it remained to find a veterinarian
  8. 0
    26 August 2013 09: 42
    And if in essence, do we need such a union? Indeed, in the event of an emergency, by order of the president, an operational group is created with centralized management.
  9. +6
    26 August 2013 09: 49
    Instead of increasing and strengthening the country's defense, the routine, although necessary, is not shown to the TV, they change the stars on uniform, cancel the footcloths, create scientific companies, again discuss the new form, although now it is like the Papuans (this is about general), here another piece of news is the unification of ministries. All this is such a thing, but it doesn’t come off the TV, the people are excited by the innovation, it raises the rating.
  10. series
    +3
    26 August 2013 10: 02
    Quote: S-200
    Quote: Apollon
    Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,

    Most likely this is a "duck" ...
    military commissariats removed from the Armed Forces in order to reduce the number of
    and firefighters and so on. technical staff - add?
    and this is about 300 000 person ! request

    Why should Russia increase the number of its armed forces with a new "non-combat" type of troops?
  11. Vrungel78
    0
    26 August 2013 10: 04
    I take this information as the next duck of the media, which ended in loud sensations. The army all the time helped the civilian population in various troubles. In the light of recent events (flood in the Far East), it is incorrect to consider army assistance as an occasion to unite ministries that are completely different in tasks. This is how MinEnergo merge with the Ministry of Sports.
  12. Grigorich 1962
    0
    26 August 2013 10: 12
    Yes, all this is stupid .... MO, what fires will be extinguished throughout Russia ?? ..... yes, in case of emergency and war, the Ministry of Emergencies should be subordinate to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces .... like all law enforcement agencies (such an order in was his time ... then he was hushed up) ..
    and who benefits from such infa regarding the merger ?? ... but to whom ... to whom the Shoigu is disturbing .... everything is clear here
  13. +4
    26 August 2013 10: 14
    I don’t understand people who expect something good from Shoigu. He is a junior officer, a low-level commander. After all, the general epaulettes of the mind do not give, they only apply to the mind. But Shoigu is very far from strategic thinking.
    1. +4
      26 August 2013 11: 29
      Shoigu lower-level commander? Do not offend platoon and company commanders, only there they become Commanders, and Shoigu only charges after the construction institute.
  14. +2
    26 August 2013 10: 17
    If we talk about possible unification seriously, then it is worth looking for those people to whom it could be beneficial.
    Since the Ministry of Emergencies was created directly by Shoigu, did he choose people for all key positions himself, in the case of a merger, guess twice? Which officials of the two ministries will be more likely to get the corresponding high posts?
  15. Valery Neonov
    +1
    26 August 2013 10: 24
    As for the PEOPLE, and at the moment in the Far East, - then all who are in uniform and in uniform are assistants. And whoever commands them doesn’t matter ... And the help will be colossal, since a drop in the water level is the beginning of all ills ... Sorry .. request It seems so. hi
  16. +1
    26 August 2013 10: 49
    Let it work, and when working, errors cannot be avoided. What was before Shoigu in the Army, and what gate did not fit. One fact of such large-scale theft at all levels was worth what. Maybe time is needed. And let it cure the sun.
  17. 0
    26 August 2013 11: 06
    One of the "stated goals" is to optimize personnel. In this case, it will obviously be "optimized" at the expense of the army. Simply put, Shoigu is trying to put his people from the Ministry of Emergencies in positions. I think they will make it easier, and such statements are obviously a hint to citizens from Serdyukov's team - "it's time to free the clearing, or it will be different."
  18. 0
    26 August 2013 11: 15
    if there will be any benefit to the people
  19. 0
    26 August 2013 11: 19
    Quote: Anatol Klim
    You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.

    And here the animals I say that it always happens if people’s lives are in danger, remember the recent large-scale floods in Krymsk, fires in central Russia, floods in the Far East, wherever there is a lack of regional forces, the Ministry of Emergencies connects the army, this is normal, just need it simplify and legitimize.
    1. +1
      26 August 2013 11: 53
      The fact of the matter is that for the liquidation of large-scale emergencies, the Ministry of Emergencies did not have anything, but the Soviet GO troops had. They were disbanded in the Moscow Region, and the created rescue centers of the Ministry of Emergencies, by definition, are not able to replace them. The main question, they removed it, they didn’t create it here.
      1. +1
        27 August 2013 03: 26
        Is it necessary? In fact, emergency situations are not so frequent. Maybe this is true? There are centers. There are a number of trained rescuers. And in the case that we now have, I do not see anything shameful to involve the personnel of the Ministry of Defense to fight and eliminate the consequences of emergencies. Moreover, at the moment the military themselves were "caught" with this flood. They save themselves and help us.
  20. ivmes
    +4
    26 August 2013 11: 20
    It seems to me alone that once in a while Shoigu's uniform changes and more and more towards the armed forces of Africa / South America?
    1. +2
      26 August 2013 13: 28
      ivmes

      Well, yes.

      Army caps are very reminiscent of the headdress of the pilot bear from the cartoon "Miracles on the bends".
  21. +3
    26 August 2013 11: 21
    The article presents the political component of this issue. A purely technical? Ministry of Emergencies without the Armed Forces is not able to cope even with the flood. But the Armed Forces, which included units of civil defense, crashed the Chernobyl accident - the largest man-made disaster of mankind. The Japanese still can not cope with their Fukushima!
    1. +1
      27 August 2013 03: 22
      I do not agree. Cupid is not your small river ... And the flooding area is not a microdistrict of the city ... No forces of the Ministry of Emergencies alone will be enough ... Moreover, imagine that even ordinary residents help both the Ministry of Emergencies and the army to deal with the flood.
  22. albanech
    +1
    26 August 2013 12: 14
    Who knows! Where is Rashid Nurgaliev? As for Shoigu, let him be the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation! I personally do not mind! You Sergey Medvedev +, I completely agree! Let there be MO and GO together! Most likely there will be more order!
  23. +1
    26 August 2013 12: 22
    Even if this is not another media duck, then why not. Uniting worse will not do it for sure, but the benefit in my opinion is obvious, and the common minister is respectful.
  24. andru_007
    0
    26 August 2013 12: 35
    Quote: Vrungel78
    I take this information as the next duck of the media, which ended in loud sensations. The army all the time helped the civilian population in various troubles. In the light of recent events (flood in the Far East), it is incorrect to consider army assistance as an occasion to unite ministries that are completely different in tasks. This is how MinEnergo merge with the Ministry of Sports.

    In Ukraine, the Ministry of Emergency Situations has already been transferred under the Ministry of Defense as a civil service, which is not clear from this. BUT MO while in the affairs of the Ministry of Emergencies does not climb ...
  25. andru_007
    +1
    26 August 2013 12: 42
    By the way, about the form (in the photo Shoigu), I think it will be more comfortable. A cap, in any case, for sure, otherwise you wear an aircraft carrier on your head ..
    1. 0
      26 August 2013 16: 49
      I completely agree (especially about the aircraft carrier)
  26. 0
    26 August 2013 13: 21
    As long as the heads of the power ministries are working under Putin's "umbrella", nothing threatens the vertical of power. But there is no certainty that take away this "umbrella" the head of the united power super-agency will correctly use his power, his powers, because there are no checks and balances to him.
    So, the union of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies is a bluff from the media.
  27. fedora
    +2
    26 August 2013 14: 14
    World practice shows that the unification of the Armed Forces and units, units solving the emergency response tasks into a single structure leads to:
    1. To a significant saving of the country's budget.
    2. Reduction of the administrative apparatus and bureaucratic structures.
    3. Simplification and centralization of aircraft control in general, including parts of the emergency.
    4. A significant increase in the combat readiness of the Armed Forces and a reduction in the time for the country's transition to martial law.
    5. At times improves the mobilization readiness of the armed forces.
    etc.
    1. 0
      26 August 2013 16: 18
      support!
      even that the thread has nothing to supplement!
    2. 0
      27 August 2013 03: 28
      I think so too ... smile
  28. 0
    26 August 2013 19: 54
    It is unlikely that Shoigu will decide against Putin. Yes, and he is older than the President.
  29. 0
    26 August 2013 20: 08
    It is high time. In the current situation (fire protection does not count, and it has never been included in the Ministry of Defense), the Ministry of Emergencies can only remove cats from trees. Like a real catastrophe, they immediately connect the army. Well, fig figs of extra generals?

    (I myself served in a civil defense, I can roughly imagine their capabilities at that time, I watched the real work during the fires in the Moscow region of the 72nd year).
    1. vip.rels
      0
      3 January 2014 14: 18
      Come on, you fell for the TV show. The Ministry of Emergency Situations - the "cancer tumor" of the state - does not remove any cats. PR and parquet shuffling in front of the governors' retinue. This is a useless structure. If one and all of them are sent on vacation at the same time, then no one in the country will notice their absence. I. Do not confuse the Emergencies Ministry with the Firefighters, whom they joined in 2002, putting on their uniforms on the poor firefighters.
  30. 0
    26 August 2013 20: 31
    I give the green light, unite ... only do not shake the money from the people for this maneuver
  31. pinecone
    0
    26 August 2013 23: 14
    Quote: Asan Ata
    On the military department of Great Britain it is written frankly - the Ministry of War.


    The inscription on the historical building is preserved from the old days when the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain was called the War Office, as in the USSR from February 1950 to March 1953.
    By the way, on the metal gates of the building of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation on Frunzenskaya embankment (the so-called "House 3"), along with pentagrams, there are also large cast letters VM.
  32. pinecone
    +1
    27 August 2013 00: 13
    Once again about caps. Marshal of the Soviet Union Malinowski in Budapest.
  33. andru_007
    -1
    27 August 2013 00: 24
    Quote: pinecone
    Once again about caps. Marshal of the Soviet Union Malinowski in Budapest.

    It was a good shape comfortable ...
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  35. 0
    27 August 2013 18: 06
    Shchoigu can already on the sly sketch out an order "not to prosecute the former president and his family members" on the draft. It looks like this is going on.
  36. Asan Ata
    0
    27 August 2013 21: 58
    I remember the army PSH, this was the uniform, the fabric sways!
  37. vip.rels
    0
    3 January 2014 14: 58
    I read the comments and realized that none of the commentators knew anything about the Ministry of Emergencies. I will explain a little. The Ministry of Emergencies is an army of bureaucrats who enjoy all the benefits of the military. Do not combine them with anyone. Nobody needs them. They need to be dispersed. The seventh year I work in the system. They had already played up to the fact that they really were lifeguards, that it’s just funny to watch these clowns. This structure for the state is unprofitable and not effective. They don’t save anyone, they just PR and collect mountains of reports from various administrations and other organizations every day, showing that they “own the situation”. These reports can be about anything. Why do they need it - they themselves do not know. Well, for example: amusing lieutenant colonels - captains make weather and emergency forecasts the next day. Those. a day ahead they predict the number of accidents and other fires, and even indicate the places where they can take place. Rave!!! They conduct daily selectors, where they bend themselves geniuses - rescuers. I thought that the state made it possible for the officers who came under reduction to be promoted, but now it’s clear that this “Soap Bubble” is growing by new lieutenants - daughters, granddaughters, etc., who are not needed. And everyone gets paid very good.
    It should not be confused with firefighters, these extinguish fires, however, it turns out to be selective too. By the way, they tortured them to death with their nit-picking uniforms and other nonsense.