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Who benefits from information about the possible merger of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Russian Defense Ministry?

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Last week, a number of media outlets, citing sources in the government lobby, published information that Sergei Shoigu allegedly offered to unite the two ministries: the Emergencies Ministry and the Ministry of Defense. The reasons were different. From the fact that servicemen of the Defense Ministry of the Russian Federation often have to participate in confronting emergency situations and eliminating their consequences (flooding in the Amur region as one example), to the fact that such a union can lead to personnel optimization and allow the government to save a lot. It would seem that there really is something in this sentence, but ...


After a short period of time, a certain, naturally unnamed, source from the Ministry of Defense stated that the idea of ​​combining the Emergencies Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was an invention of the media, and Sergei Shoigu did not offer anything like that.

After such contradictory information flows, the impression was created that the first was far from being a simple informational stuffing, and the second was not exactly the kind of refutation that should appear at the official level in such cases. In principle, the Ministry of Defense might have thought that if the media published data on the aspirations of combining the two departments, citing some secret sources, then the information should be refuted in about the same vein.

On the other hand, the appearance of information about the possible merger of the main defense and chief emergency agencies of the Russian Federation is somewhat like the sounding of the soil. Recently, the option of preliminary monitoring of public opinion through statements of "unnamed sources" in the media is actively used. Often there is a situation in which the source is quite well-known person, but not included in the circle of representatives of the power elite. We can recall several episodes with the expression of proposals from Vladimir Zhirinovsky or Dmitry Rogozin (when he was not yet a member of the government), in which (the proposals) public opinion was run-in. The most interesting thing is that the semi-intrusions today are actively working and bring quite real results to the organizers: nobody seemed to be offering anything officially, but you can make a judgment about how all this can be perceived in certain circles.

How is it perceived? Well, if we talk about the perception of the Russian people, we have somehow managed to get used to the fact that no one has asked us for a long time about the attitude to the need to carry out or not to carry out any perturbations at the federal government level ... They say if someone is there at the top he decided, which means it remains to accept this as an objective blessing ... Sovereign democracy, - as a man once said, information about a possible return to the Kremlin, which also took place at the same level as information about the unification of the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the Ministry of Defense.

If we talk about a possible association seriously, then it is worth looking for those people to whom it could be profitable. For obvious reasons, Sergei Shoigu could be the first to win. Why? Because he would have got a super ministry in his hands, in one of the segments of which he is generally like a fish in water, and the other has truly impressive strategic opportunities. Obviously, a super-power structure would appear in Russian reality, well-equipped and allowing its possible head to consolidate their political positions. And in the event that Sergei Shoigu would head this impressive structure, he would have a chance to declare himself politically as clearly as it is possible under current conditions.

Is it beneficial for anyone else on the Russian political Olympus? We can assume that Vladimir Putin would have supported this idea. His sympathy for the current head of the defense department is hard to miss. Far from every minister happens to be fishing with the president ...
True, there is also at least one person who is still “glowing” on such fishing trips. This is the head of the Cabinet of Ministers, Dmitry Medvedev, who seems to be an integral half of the “tandem”. However, the very word “tandem” is used today, if not in an abusive context, then obviously with less enthusiasm than it was, say, four years ago. And if you take into account the hypothetical post of Shoigu as the head of the united ministry, this appointment would be a significant blow to the positions of Dmitry Medvedev. Today, Shoigu’s growing popularity is under pressure on the prime minister’s position, well, if the defense minister got access to the Emergencies Ministry, and in the context of domestic realities, there is also an opportunity to appear more often in media reports and on television screens, then Medvedev has a chance to stay in tandem "would remain negligible.

By the way, analyzing news reports of major Russian television channels, we can conclude that Dmitry Anatolyevich often doesn’t have a place in them at all, but Sergei Kuzhugetovich’s broadcast, as they say, is all right. What is it for? If we assume that this is a simple coincidence, then we must admit that the natural naivety of the admitter is extremely high ...

However, the same information (exactly the information itself) about the possible unification of the Ministry of Emergency Situations with the Ministry of Defense could benefit to Dmitry Medvedev. Which one? Well, if we assume that the Ministry of Defense didn’t really talk about any integration of the two ministries, it turns out that someone decided to expose Shoigu as an official who wants to get more power to his hands. What was the purpose of such a move? For example, in order to draw the president’s attention to the growing appetites of a single minister. Perhaps the president will decide that these very growing appetites are capable of striking a built-up vertical, and will stop their joint fishing with Sergei Kuzhugetovich ...

Well, it remains to wait for the next informational stage (if there will be one at all) dedicated to the relationship between the Emergency Situations Ministry and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, in order to make a final conclusion about who actually the words about their association were beneficial in the first place.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 26 August 2013 08: 46 New
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    Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,
    tandems, separation or merger, or even takeover of ministries, haven’t bothered?
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 26 August 2013 09: 09 New
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      Greetings. I agree!
      By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
      1. shurup
        shurup 26 August 2013 09: 40 New
        +6
        His Grace Prince Menshikov they can not surpass.
        On taste and color - there is no Shoigu, but it smells like Zaitsev.
        Источник ОТС намекнул, что будет обьединенное "Министерство Мира", а из ФСБ и МВД - "Министерство Любви".
        1. Asan Ata
          Asan Ata 26 August 2013 12: 52 New
          +1
          On the military department of Great Britain it is written frankly - the Ministry of War.
      2. Combitor
        Combitor 26 August 2013 10: 01 New
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        klimpopov Today, 09:09
        Не довелось Шойгу в армии послужить. Понятия не имеет, как портянки наматывать. Из старлея запаса в свое время "вырос" до генерала-майора. Честные офицеры трудом своим, службой, потом и кровью добиваются высоких званий и наград. А он - прогибом перед очередным российским самодержцем. Отсюда и любовь к "лепесткам" и "звездочкам". Дали ему на старости лет в "войнушку" поиграть. Покомандовать военными и генеральскую военную форму поносить.
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 26 August 2013 10: 09 New
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          Quote: Kombitor
          Не довелось Шойгу в армии послужить. Понятия не имеет, как портянки наматывать. Из старлея запаса в свое время "вырос" до генерала-майора. Честные офицеры трудом своим, службой, потом и кровью добиваются высоких званий и наград. А он - прогибом перед очередным российским самодержцем. Отсюда и любовь к "лепесткам" и "звездочкам". Дали ему на старости лет в "войнушку" поиграть. Покомандовать военными и генеральскую военную форму поносить.


          I believe that you are wrong here. A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergency Situations. For such a short period in the post of Minister of Defense, he brought so much positive into the army.
          The most important thing is trying and doing everything possible to the best of his abilities and capabilities to strengthen the country's defense capabilities.
          And here you dragged footcloths and about the deflection .......?! am
          Less to you.
          1. Col.
            Col. 26 August 2013 10: 18 New
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            Quote: Apollon
            .Man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies.

            Кто Вам сказал? В СССР существовала мощнейшая система ГО (гражданской обороны), которая была оснащена самой современной техникой и средствами: путепрокладчики, пожарная техника, трубопроводные части, мостостроительные и понтонные отряды, полевые госпитали, мобильные хлебопекарни и т.д. и т.п. Всё это было успешно разворовано и распродано! А доверчивому "электорату" теперь втирают про заслуги Шойгу. Обычный дешёвый пиар!
            And further. In Soviet times, GO was part of the USSR Armed Forces. Quote from TSB (Great Soviet Encyclopedia):
            "Вооруженные Силы СССР делятся на виды: Ракетные войска стратегического назначения, Сухопутные войска, Войска противовоздушной обороны страны, Военно-Воздушные Силы, Военно-Морской Флот, а также включают в себя Тыл Вооружённых Сил, штабы и войска Гражданской обороны. Виды Вооруженных Сил в свою очередь делятся на рода войск, рода сил (ВМФ) и специальные войска, которые в организационном отношении состоят из подразделений, частей, соединений. В состав Вооруженных Сил входят также пограничные и внутренние войска. Вооруженные Силы СССР имеют единую систему организации и комплектования, централизованное управление, единые принципы обучения и воспитания личного состава и подготовки командных кадров, общий порядок прохождения службы рядовым, сержантским и офицерским составом."
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 26 August 2013 10: 36 New
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              Quote: Colonel
              In the USSR there was a powerful civil defense system (civil defense), which was equipped with the most modern equipment and means: track-laying, fire fighting equipment, pipeline parts,


              That's exactly what existed and then what remains of GO?! Actually, Shoigu was recreated anew. It’s impossible to break it. In any case, the best minister to date is from the current government, and polls say this.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 August 2013 10: 57 New
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                Quote: Apollon
                That's exactly what existed and what then, what remains of GO ?!

                То, что Шойгу не сократил. Потому что "утилизацией" войск ГО СССР занимался он
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 26 August 2013 10: 49 New
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              Quote: Colonel
              Who told you? In the USSR there was a powerful civil defense system

              it was somewhat different, by the way, do not tell me who dealt with the consequences of the earthquake in Spitak, not really GO?
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 26 August 2013 10: 21 New
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            Greetings. In vain you are minuscule, being led on the PR image of Shoigu.

            Quote: Apollon
            A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies

            He did not create, he reduced to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies what Marshal of the Soviet Union Chuikov created for 11 years. Almost from scratch.

            Quote: Apollon
            and about the deflection

            And he received this Soviet inheritance precisely by deflecting Yeltsin’s unconditional support in the seizure of power and the collapse of the USSR. So elective председатель общественной организации "Союз Спасателей" стал министром по ЧС.
            1. malikszh
              malikszh 26 August 2013 11: 06 New
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              It seems to me that the task of the USSR Armed Forces was to protect the case of war and the Ministry of Emergencies is now engaged in protection against all types of disasters, not only in Russia but around the world
              1. Aleksys2
                Aleksys2 26 August 2013 18: 43 New
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                Quote: malikszh
                It seems to me that the task of the USSR Armed Forces was to protect the case of war and the Ministry of Emergencies is now engaged in protection against all types of disasters, not only in Russia but around the world

                The civil defense system in the USSR dates back to 4 on October 1932, when the local air defense was formed as an integral part of the country's air defense system. MPVO was a system of measures carried out with local authorities in order to protect the population and economic objects from enemy attacks from the air, eliminate the consequences of its attacks, create normal conditions for the work of industrial enterprises, power plants, transport, etc.
                In 1940, as the Main Directorate of MPVO, it was included in the system of the NKVD-MVD of the USSR.
                In 1961, the MPVO was reorganized into the Civil Defense (Civil Defense) of the USSR, the position of the head of Civil Defense was introduced. In 1971, the leadership of the civil defense was assigned to the Ministry of Defense of the USSR, the day-to-day leadership was assigned to the chief of the civil defense — deputy minister of defense of the USSR (chief of the civil defense forces).
                Responsibility for local government was vested in the Councils of Ministers of the republics, executive committees of the Councils of People's Deputies, ministries, departments, organizations and enterprises, whose leaders were the heads of civil defense. With them, GO headquarters and various services were created.
                In 1991, the civil defense system was included in the State Committee of the Russian Federation for Civil Defense, Emergencies and Disaster Management (with 1994 - EMERCOM).
                ROLE AND TASKS OF CIVIL DEFENSE OF THE USSR
                Civil defense (GO) is a system of national defense measures carried out with the aim of protecting the population and the national economy in emergency situations of peace and war, increasing the sustainability of the functioning of the national economy, as well as rescue and other urgent work (SIDR) in response to natural disasters, accidents (catastrophes) and in lesions.
                In the 1970-ies, new types of formations of high alert civil defense units were created: combined detachments and teams of mechanization of work, and then civil defense troops.
                In 1971, the leadership of the civil defense was assigned to the Deputy Minister of Defense of the USSR, and the system itself was transferred to the Ministry of Defense. From that moment, the heyday of both the civil defense system and the DOSAAF system (voluntary society for rescue from the army, aviation and navy) began. Many events were held, a tremendous material base was created, which is still used today.
                Since 1987, Civil Defense has officially been entrusted with the responsibility of protecting the population and national economy from the consequences of accidents, catastrophes, natural disasters, and carrying out rescue and restoration work. The question arose about the formation of a unified state system that provides advance preparation for actions in extreme conditions to overcome emergency situations caused by major accidents, catastrophes and natural disasters. Such a statement of the issue did not in any way imply a substitution or vice versa replacing the country's civil defense system with a new system. On the contrary, it envisaged a wider use of the capabilities of the Civil Defense system in overcoming various emergency situations.
                On December 27 of 1990, the Decision of the RSFSR Council of Ministers “On the formation of the Russian rescue corps on the rights of the RSFSR state committee, as well as the formation of a unified state-public system for forecasting, preventing and eliminating the consequences of emergency situations” was adopted.
                17 April 1991 year, the Deputy Chairman of the Gosstroy of the RSFSR Sergei Shoigu was appointed chairman of the Russian rescue corps.
            2. Apollo
              Apollo 26 August 2013 11: 13 New
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              Quote: Spade
              being carried on a PR image of Shoigu.


              I’m not talking about PR, our respected anti-Shoigovets. To date, I don’t see any alternatives to him as Minister of Defense. And who do you see ?!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 August 2013 11: 20 New
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                Yes, anyone. Having at least minimal command experience. And the one who does not drag all of his shortcomings from one ministry to another.
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 26 August 2013 12: 04 New
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                  Quote: Spade
                  Yes anyone


                  This is not an answer.
                  Quote: Spade
                  Having at least minimal command experience.


                  eg?! Shamanova ?! A good commander, but no experience of this magnitude.


                  Quote: Spade
                  And the one who does not drag all of his shortcomings from one ministry to another.


                  I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you ?! winked
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 26 August 2013 12: 59 New
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                    Quote: Apollon
                    I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you ?!

                    The fact that he was worse than Serdyukov. Zero real cases, all the forces go to the PR of a loved one.
                  2. Papakiko
                    Papakiko 26 August 2013 17: 03 New
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                    Quote: Apollon
                    I don’t understand why Shoigu didn’t please you?

                    And what did he please you with, an apartment, a car, a bank account?
                    Крымс утопили, сейчас Хабаровск и дальний восток топят. до этого СШ ГЭС "ломанули" и тд. и тп. Список "дел" огромный.
                    Quote: Spade
                    He did not create, he reduced to the size of the Ministry of Emergencies what Marshal of the Soviet Union Chuikov created for 11 years. Almost from scratch.

                    Categorically true Komrad writes.
                    Quote: Apollon
                    That's exactly what existed and what then, what remains of GO?! In fact, Shoigu recreated again.

                    Я рыдал горючими слезами от умиления в "воссаздателя".
                    Quote: Apollon
                    In any case, the best minister to date is from the current composition of the government, and polls speak of this.

                    And who writes the polls?
                    Why did he suddenly become the BEST Minister, Because of the worst previous?

                    You surprised me to the knees.
                2. Vadivak
                  Vadivak 26 August 2013 12: 09 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Spade
                  Having at least minimal command experience.


                  Shoigu doesn’t have that either. Terribly far from the army man.
                  After graduating from the Krasnoyarsk Polytechnic, Sergei Kuzhugetovich managed, judging by the official biography, to work both as craftsmen and foremen, and as managers of several construction trusts on the territory of the Tuva Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. By profession, the future Minister of Disasters is a civil engineer, in a sense, a colleague of his high patron, who was in charge of construction issues in Sverdlovsk. Shoigu used to love to talk about how in childhood he sat on Yeltsin’s lap.
                  And his appointment as Minister of Defense is not clear to a fool - the Minister is absolutely devoted to the tandem.
                  1. alone
                    alone 26 August 2013 23: 00 New
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                    what construction minister of defense! belay
                  2. Combitor
                    Combitor 26 August 2013 23: 53 New
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                    Vadivak Today, 12: 09
                    <А назначение его министром МО только дураку не понятно - Министр абсолютно преданный тандему>
                    Мне кажется, что Шойгу уготована, на "всякий пожарный случай", еще одна роль: в случае чего стать для Путина тем, кем Путин стал для Ельцина. По-моему мнению это одна из причин того, почему Шойгу назначили министром обороны.
                    The fact that Shoigu is a loyal lackey-putinoid is one thing, but when under the authority of this lackey such a colossus as MO is already completely different. And I think about the unification of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies - there is no smoke without fire.
                3. aviamed90
                  aviamed90 26 August 2013 13: 16 New
                  +2
                  Lopatov

                  I will support you.

                  But besides MO, there are several key figures - the NSS, the commanders of the military forces, types and arms of the armed forces and their countless deputies.
                  That's who you need to shake and see - for what merits they took their posts.
                  А иначе, будет как в истории с "секретным героем России" - господином Макаровым и суперминистром Сердюковым.
          3. S-200
            S-200 26 August 2013 10: 25 New
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            Quote: Apollon
            A man from scratch created the Ministry of Emergencies

            take an interest in the number, composition and equipment of the troops of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR, the range of tasks they solve, the training institutions training personnel ...
            стоило ли "с нуля" создавать "потешных спасателей", разрушая уже сложившуюся мощную структуру ГО страны?
          4. Combitor
            Combitor 26 August 2013 14: 21 New
            +4
            Apollon Today, 10:09 ↑
            How old are you?
            Я не думаю, что вы так молоды, чтобы не знать, что для того, чтобы создать МЧС, как вы говорите "с нуля" надо было сначала разрушить всю систему Гражданской обороны Советского Союза. Тем более, что в те годы сознательно разрушали все советское. И пожарная охрана "влилась" в состав МЧС в результате сговора Шойгу и Грызлова, в то время министра внутренних дел. Шойгу пообещал "голоса" работников МЧС на парламентских выборах за партию власти, в обмен на это пожарную охрану передали в МЧС. Это стало черным днем для всех пожарных России.
            Therefore, do not expose Shoigu as a sort of ideological fighter. His main goal is to gain unlimited power. And he did not create anything from scratch. Almost everything was presented to him in finished form.
          5. alone
            alone 26 August 2013 22: 56 New
            +2
            I welcome you Apollon. The Ministry of Emergencies was created on the basis of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl. It was a huge force with a good material and technical base. and do not forget the fire department, then it was subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. so from scratch it somehow doesn’t work out. with respect hi
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 26 August 2013 23: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              Greetings


              mutually hi
              Quote: lonely
              Civil Defense of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl. It was a huge force with a good material and technical base.


              I agree.

              Quote: lonely
              and do not forget the fire department, then it was subordinate to the Ministry of Internal Affairs.


              I remember and know.


              Quote: lonely
              so that from scratch somehow it doesn’t work


              with the collapse of the USSR, once collapsed, not only a single army but also GO.


              Quote: lonely
              .with respect


              mutually hi
            2. family tree
              family tree 26 August 2013 23: 30 New
              +1
              Quote: lonely
              .MES was created on the basis of the Civil Defense Forces of the USSR. 45 regiments participated in one Chernobyl.

              1986 MOE does not even smell. Firefighters of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, later the Moscow Region, almost all the IMRs left there. GO at that time was almost the same feeding trough as trade unions. And the Ministry of Emergencies began from scratch. In 1988, he first heard about him in Spitak. In 1991 he was officially recognized as the chairman of the Russian rescue corps. And the Ministry of Emergencies took over Chernobyl in 1997. So from scratch!
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 26 August 2013 23: 54 New
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                Quote: perepilka
                GO at that time was almost the same feeding trough as trade unions.

                What are you writing nonsense? Units 148 OMMBr GO there appeared the day after the accident
          6. psdf
            psdf 26 August 2013 23: 03 New
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            Many after the demobilization went to the Ministry of Emergencies with his kind word, and then they remembered, and now.
        2. Col.
          Col. 26 August 2013 10: 09 New
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          Quote: Kombitor
          And he is a deflection before the next Russian autocrat.

          Не совсем так. Его отец был другом ЕБНа, так что не нужно ему было ни в армии служить, ни "академиев" заканчивать. Как, впрочем, и подавляющему большинству нынешних высших чиновников - нужно просто быть однокашником, другом, соседом по кооперативу "Озеро" и т.п. Всё просто!
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 August 2013 11: 57 New
          +6
          Quote: Kombitor
          Shoigu was not able to serve in the army.

          И сердюкову не довелось. И Голиковой не довелось медицинское образование получить, И Скрынник только воровать в сельском хозяйстве умела, и новый министр Новиков тоже без профильного образования, и министр образования без образования (В 2003 году с разгромным счетом провален на выборах членкоров в Отделении физических наук РАН), а министр культуры - Главный "культурщик" России Владимир Мединский объявил шансон «главным воспитателем «гражданственности» и отказался финансировать московский фестиваль симфонических оркестров мира.

          So, having a brain will think.
        4. mark7
          mark7 26 August 2013 16: 19 New
          0
          Well, it’s in vain, you are so
      3. krpmlws
        krpmlws 26 August 2013 10: 34 New
        +6
        Klimpopov: Everything is correct, about the uniform and the cap, I support it. negativeTotal tastelessness.
      4. Very old
        Very old 26 August 2013 11: 44 New
        +3
        Klim, form and strand, to put it mildly, is not modest. This is the 1st. And 2nd, well, why the hell in a bunch to collect two huge apparatus? Won't the Army come to the rescue of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in extreme time? Or is itching reformism still not abated?
      5. Asan Ata
        Asan Ata 26 August 2013 12: 50 New
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        A guy wherever, and the form - the author is known
        1. AK-47
          AK-47 26 August 2013 23: 25 New
          +1
          Quote: Asan Ata
          A guy wherever, and the form - the author is known
      6. Col.
        Col. 26 August 2013 13: 51 New
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        Quote: klimpopov
        For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only it seems to me?

        Да нет, не кажется и не только Вам. Я был 20 августа на выставке в ЦСКА "День инноваций Министерства обороны", видел там и Шойгу, и множество офицеров и генералов в этой новой форме... Мне, прослужившему 15 лет в ВС СССР и 17 лет в ВС России, смотреть на этих ряженых, мягко говоря, неприятно. Если к Шойгу в таком обличье (ещё со времён его МЧС-овства) мы привыкли, то нормальные военнослужащие в таком "прикиде" просто смешны и нелепы! Первое, что пришло на ум - то ли шпрехшталмейстер из цирка, то ли швейцар из ресторана. Хотя есть старая поговорка: "Кто в армии служил, тот в цирке не смеётся"! Точно про сегодняшнюю потешную армию.
      7. grafrozow
        grafrozow 26 August 2013 15: 01 New
        +3
        Quote: klimpopov
        By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
        +++ Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 August 2013 16: 35 New
          +4
          Quote: grafrozow
          I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.


          And on his mighty chest
          like a thousand orders
          one medal shone in a heap and that
          for years of service.
        2. Aleksys2
          Aleksys2 26 August 2013 19: 08 New
          +1
          Quote: grafrozow
          Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.

          For comparison, the Soviet Minister of Defense.
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 26 August 2013 19: 25 New
            -3
            Quote: Aleksys2
            For comparison, the Soviet Minister of Defense.
            D.F.Ustinov, well, which minister is he? Another nomenclature.
            1. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 26 August 2013 21: 31 New
              +2
              Quote: grafrozow
              D.F.Ustinov, well, which minister is he? Another nomenclature.

              Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov was born on October 17 (30) on October 1908 in Samara in a working class family.
              1922 year - Joined the Red Army (CHON detachments) in Samarkand as a volunteer.
              1923 year - He volunteered for the 12-th Turkestan regiment. Participated in hostilities with the Basmachi.
              After demobilization in 1923, he went from a locksmith to the director of the plant.
              In November, the 1927 of the year joined the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks).
              1927 — 1929 years - locksmith at the Balakhninsky paper mill, then at the factory in Ivanovo-Voznesensk.
              In the fall of 1929, he became a student in the mechanical faculty of the Ivanovo-Ascension Polytechnic Institute. He worked as a secretary of the Komsomol organization, was a member of the party bureau of the institute.
              In the 1932 of the year, the group in which D. Ustinov studied was sent to Leningrad to staff the newly created Military Mechanical Institute (now the BSTU "Voenmekh" named after D. F. Ustinov)
              1934 year - successful graduation from the Leningrad Military Mechanical Institute.
              Since 1934 of the year - engineer, head of the bureau of operation and experimental work at the Leningrad Artillery Research Marine Institute.
              Since 1937 of the year - design engineer, deputy chief designer, director of the Bolshevik Leningrad plant.
              9 June 1941 years - 15 March 1946 years - People's Commissar of Arms of the USSR. According to the son of Beria Sergo, the appointment of Ustinov to the post of People's Commissar of Arms took place on the recommendation of L.P. Beria [1].
              15 of March 1946 of the year - 15 of March 1953 of the year - USSR Minister of Arms
              15 March 1953 of the year - 14 December 1957 of the year - Minister of Defense of the USSR.
              In 1955, by order of the Minister of Defense of the USSR, he was recognized as a member of active military service from the moment he was assigned a military rank.
              December 14 1957 of the year - March 13 1963 of the year - Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, Chairman of the Commission of the Presidium of the Council of Ministers of the USSR on military-industrial issues
              For the preparation of the first manned space flight (Yu. A. Gagarin, April 12 of the 1961 of the year) he was awarded the title of Hero of Socialist Labor (decree was not published) [2].
              March 13 1963 of the year - March 26 1965 of the year - First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, Chairman of the Supreme Council of the National Economy of the USSR Council of Ministers of the USSR
              26 March 1965 of the year - 26 October 1976 of the year - Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee.
              29 of April 1976 of the year - 20 of December 1984 of the year - Minister of Defense of the USSR.
            2. Col.
              Col. 27 August 2013 09: 30 New
              +2
              Quote: grafrozow
              Another nomenclature.


              Несчастный, Вы в школе учились? Историю своей страны хоть чуть-чуть знаете? Почитайте комментарий Aleksys2 об Устинове и запомните: в СССР на высшие руководящие должности назначали опытных, прошедших все низовые звенья, ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫХ ДЕЯТЕЛЕЙ, а не друзей, однокашников, детей приятелей, соратников по секции дзюдо, соседей по кооперативу "Озеро" и т.д., как это делается сейчас!
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        4. alex_asch
          alex_asch 27 August 2013 03: 59 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          Quote: klimpopov
          By the way, here lately the general's uniform infuriates. For banana generals, it seems, excuse me. Wash too pretentious and busting with gold. Only so it seems to me? Well, look at the cap at Shoigu. Although the taste and color.
          +++ Are you talking about this? I support. Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.

          ну тут, по-моему, не меньше капусты на фуражке и кителе маршала Жукова, чем у Шойгу. И фуражка тоже маленькая. Но ведь никто не считает, что Жуков похож на "бананового генерала"!
          1. Col.
            Col. 27 August 2013 09: 38 New
            +1
            Quote: alex_asch
            Но ведь никто не считает, что Жуков похож на "бананового генерала"!


            First, Zhukov is the Marshal of the Soviet Union, and there are fewer of them than generals lol
            Во-вторых, на фото он в ПАРАДНОЙ форме, а повседневная и, тем более, полевая, выглядели гораздо скромнее, без разномастных нарукавных и нагрудных "тинэйджеровских" лейблов.
        5. Col.
          Col. 27 August 2013 09: 20 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          Soon they will be similar to the DPRK generals.


          In fact, Shoigu in such a cocky uniform looks organically - due to his ethnic characteristics. But on Slavic officers (Russians, first of all), this Christmas tree blossom is just like a foreign body.
      8. mark7
        mark7 26 August 2013 16: 12 New
        +2
        Well, he noticeably reduced his caps, it’s already good and returned the shoulder straps to his place, again, plus him
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 26 August 2013 20: 20 New
          +2
          Caps were reduced by Yudashkin under Serdyukov. Shoigu increased the amount of gold embroidery and stripes plus created a new shape for himself. Well, and hung on his shoulders shoulder straps of the Marshal
      9. psdf
        psdf 26 August 2013 23: 05 New
        0
        There is an opinion that these are extreme echoes of a designer freestyle several years. As wear will introduce other samples.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 26 August 2013 09: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      When there is plenty of time, officials begin to engage in nonsense.

      Is there really nowhere to direct state money except to various associations ... then disconnections? And if necessary, you can always create a joint governing body under someone’s leadership by the decision of the President ... without going towards the current personal ambitions ...
    3. S-200
      S-200 26 August 2013 09: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,

      Скорее всего это "утка"...
      military commissariats removed from the Armed Forces in order to reduce the number of
      and firefighters and so on. technical staff - add?
      and this is about 300 000 person ! request
      1. AK-47
        AK-47 26 August 2013 11: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: S-200
        Скорее всего это "утка".

        In every duck there is a desire to check the public for lice.
    4. Apollo
      Apollo 26 August 2013 17: 54 New
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      One gets the impression that there is nothing more to do. The business must be dealt with and boosted the country's economy.When there is plenty of time, officials begin to engage in nonsense.


      the comment was written in 08: 46 and here infa

      It is proposed to establish Official Day in Russia
      time 26 August 2013, 13:32

      put forward a proposal
      quote-The Governor of the Penza Region, Vasily Bochkarev, addressed the Chairman of the Council of the Federation, Valentina Matvienko, with the initiative to introduce the Day of Public Servant in Russia, noting that officials fell into the category of undeservedly forgotten holiday plan.
      http://www.vz.ru/news/2013/8/26/647158.html

      Marasm Strengthens gentlemen comrades.
      As in the water looked.
      1. alone
        alone 26 August 2013 23: 03 New
        +3
        wassat what a disgusting erysipelas)) wassat
        1. family tree
          family tree 26 August 2013 23: 42 New
          +2
          What is so modest? I would broadcast right away Lord's Day Servants of the people wassat
  2. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 26 August 2013 08: 47 New
    17
    In Soviet times, there were civil defense troops as part of the Moscow Region. The regiments of civil defense had a huge amount of machinery, equipment, they could solve a variety of tasks to protect the population. And now, in the Far East, the Ministry of Emergencies could not do anything without the army. Now there are no GO troops and Shoigu really understood the essence of his brainchild.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 August 2013 09: 02 New
      +9
      Quote: Anatol Klim
      And now, in the Far East, the Ministry of Emergencies could not do anything without the army.

      I once watched in Domodedovo how, after landing from the Far East, from Lexus-MOE, Lexuses rolled out

      And the troops of the Civil Defense of the USSR did obey the Minister of War.
      1. knn54
        knn54 26 August 2013 11: 46 New
        +1
        -Vadivak: Civil Defense Forces of the USSR were still subordinate to the Minister of War.
        Civil defense must be supervised by the military, there must be discipline, and orders must be followed, not discussed. But is it just that there will be a lot of means and weapons in the same hands?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 26 August 2013 12: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: knn54
          But just how many means and weapons will be in the same hands?


          There are so few left after all the reforms and modernizations.
    2. My address
      My address 26 August 2013 09: 51 New
      +7
      You are right, Anatoly.
      For a long time was the beginning. GO headquarters in the division. I remember GO in Soviet times. The present structures of civil defense in enterprises weak shadow and frank hack-work. Perhaps Shoigu looked at his army from the point of view of the army and a bit of the light.
      But the Ministry of Emergency Situations still looks good against the background of migrant FMS and the like. Why crushed the Interior Ministry after the collapse of the USSR? Officials to produce?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 26 August 2013 10: 07 New
        +4
        Александр! приятно общаться с человеком "в теме". А МВД раздробили, чтобы генерала армии получить и звезду повесить.
  3. OTTO
    OTTO 26 August 2013 08: 48 New
    +2
    that someone decided to expose Shoigu as an official who wants to take more power into his own hands

    Это не много власти, а много проблем и головной боли. Одно одно министерство по определению "чрезвычайное" , другое таким сделано искусственно . Тянуть такое - врагу не пожелаешь.
  4. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 26 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +5
    I think the sense of uniting the MoD and the Ministry of Emergencies makes sense only for enriching officials and gaining unlimited power, on the other hand, these two ministries are completely opposite to each other and have a different purpose, one to destroy, the other to restore. It is more expedient for the Ministry of Emergency Situations to introduce, as one of the departments in the structure of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the more so they have the same tasks, to protect people from danger or to eliminate the consequences of this danger, and as for the use of soldiers of the Armed Forces and explosives, this is due to mass character, and because the Russian soldier as always, everything (digging, cordoning, etc.) As for conscripts of the Ministry of Emergencies, I saw them several times on the streets, but to use them in profile, I have never seen them, only soldiers of the Armed Forces performing their tasks!
    To summarize: to mine the structures in the Ministry of Emergencies is completely useless and its staff is unreasonably inflated, it makes sense only as separate detachments or units of professional rescuers and firefighters, which might be a dream, as a separate department in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but not like the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation!
  5. optimist
    optimist 26 August 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    Тут стоит посмотреть на этот факт с другой стороны. Ни для кого не секрет, что экономика падает и не сегодня-завтра путинская "стабильность" накроется . И миллины рАсеЯн, год назад голосовашие за путлера едросов выйдут на улицы. Вот тут-то "суперминистерство" и пригодится под предлогом "наведения порядка". Какие ещё будут версии? laughing
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 August 2013 13: 25 New
      0
      optimist

      Вы уверены, что армия согласится и станет наводить "конституционный" порядок внутри страны, подменяя собой структуры МВД?

      What for? What did Putin's regime do for her? Monetary allowance raised? So thinking people understand why this was done.

      In one you are right: those in power seem to be thinking in the same direction. But this does not mean that they think correctly and their analysis of the situation in the country is correct.

      So, I doubt your gloomy forecast.

      Какой же вы, после этого, "optimist"?
      1. optimist
        optimist 26 August 2013 17: 36 New
        +1
        Quote: aviamed90
        Вы уверены, что армия согласится и станет наводить "конституционный" порядок внутри страны, подменяя собой структуры МВД?

        I am already quite an adult and I understand that it is completely impossible to be confident even in oneself! laughing Если наша армия стреляла в народ с незапамятных времён, то почему бы ей опять не повторить этот "подвиг"? (Вспомните хотя бы не такие далёкие события октября 93-го) Поверьте, я никого не хочу очернить (более того, я сам кадровый офицер в отставке), но уверен, что какое-то количество иуд найдётся всегда. Вы сами знаете, с какой скоростью и лёгкостью в нашей стране штампуются антинародные законы. Ничего не стоит внести некоторые поправки в закон о ЧП (а народный бунт по опрелению ЧП). А все рассуждения типа "ребята наверху решают, у кого ..опа шире",-от лукавого. Сейчас самое главное,-сохранить власть и бабло. А в такой ситуации все средства хороши!
  6. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 26 August 2013 09: 14 New
    +2
    the Dimasik cohort was frightened by the growth of Shoigu and the erosion of the influence of Dimasik himself. they rivet Shoigu, hoping to frighten GDP. but I think past the checkout.
  7. morpogr
    morpogr 26 August 2013 09: 26 New
    -1
    It should be made easier when the army needs help in liquidating the emergency, it automatically goes into temporary submission to the head of the Ministry of Emergency Situations in the territory where there is an emergency, naturally without prejudice to the defense. And for a period only after the usual situation.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 26 August 2013 09: 46 New
      +3
      You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 26 August 2013 12: 13 New
        +4
        Quote: Anatol Klim
        You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.


        Only left. Traders were commanding the army, the foreman-ministry officer was commanding, it remained to find a veterinarian
  8. horoh
    horoh 26 August 2013 09: 42 New
    0
    And if in essence, do we need such a union? Indeed, in the event of an emergency, by order of the president, an operational group is created with centralized management.
  9. user
    user 26 August 2013 09: 49 New
    +6
    Instead of increasing and strengthening the country's defense, the routine, although necessary, is not shown to the TV, they change the stars on uniform, cancel the footcloths, create scientific companies, again discuss the new form, although now it is like the Papuans (this is about general), here another piece of news is the unification of ministries. All this is such a thing, but it doesn’t come off the TV, the people are excited by the innovation, it raises the rating.
  10. S-200
    S-200 26 August 2013 10: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: S-200
    Quote: Apollon
    Under carpet games, backstage wrestling of different groups,

    Скорее всего это "утка"...
    military commissariats removed from the Armed Forces in order to reduce the number of
    and firefighters and so on. technical staff - add?
    and this is about 300 000 person ! request

    для чего России НАРАЩИВАТЬ численность своих ВС новым "не боевым" родом войск ?
  11. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 26 August 2013 10: 04 New
    0
    I take this information as the next duck of the media, which ended in loud sensations. The army all the time helped the civilian population in various troubles. In the light of recent events (flood in the Far East), it is incorrect to consider army assistance as an occasion to unite ministries that are completely different in tasks. This is how MinEnergo merge with the Ministry of Sports.
  12. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 26 August 2013 10: 12 New
    0
    Yes, all this is stupid .... MO, what fires will be extinguished throughout Russia ?? ..... yes, in case of emergency and war, the Ministry of Emergencies should be subordinate to the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces .... like all law enforcement agencies (such an order in was his time ... then he was hushed up) ..
    and who benefits from such infa regarding the merger ?? ... but to whom ... to whom the Shoigu is disturbing .... everything is clear here
  13. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 26 August 2013 10: 14 New
    +4
    I don’t understand people who expect something good from Shoigu. He is a junior officer, a low-level commander. After all, the general epaulettes of the mind do not give, they only apply to the mind. But Shoigu is very far from strategic thinking.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 26 August 2013 11: 29 New
      +4
      Shoigu lower-level commander? Do not offend platoon and company commanders, only there they become Commanders, and Shoigu only charges after the construction institute.
  14. svp67
    svp67 26 August 2013 10: 17 New
    +2
    If we talk about possible unification seriously, then it is worth looking for those people to whom it could be beneficial.
    Since the Ministry of Emergencies was created directly by Shoigu, did he choose people for all key positions himself, in the case of a merger, guess twice? Which officials of the two ministries will be more likely to get the corresponding high posts?
  15. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 26 August 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    As for the PEOPLE, and at the moment in the Far East, - then all who are in uniform and in uniform are assistants. And whoever commands them doesn’t matter ... And the help will be colossal, since a drop in the water level is the beginning of all ills ... Sorry .. request It seems so. hi
  16. aszzz888
    aszzz888 26 August 2013 10: 49 New
    +1
    Let it work, and when working, errors cannot be avoided. What was before Shoigu in the Army, and what gate did not fit. One fact of such large-scale theft at all levels was worth what. Maybe time is needed. And let it cure the sun.
  17. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 26 August 2013 11: 06 New
    0
    Одна из "заявленных целей" оптимизировать кадры. В данном случае очевидно "оптимизировать" будут за счёт армии. Попросту говоря Шойгу пытается поставить на должности своих людей из МЧС. Думаю сделают это проще, а подобные заявления очевидно намёк гражданам из команды Сердюкова - "пора освобождать полянку, или будет по другому".
  18. Diviz
    Diviz 26 August 2013 11: 15 New
    0
    if there will be any benefit to the people
  19. morpogr
    morpogr 26 August 2013 11: 19 New
    0
    Quote: Anatol Klim
    You still subordinate the Ministry of Defense to the veterinary service, in the case of African swine fever.

    And here the animals I say that it always happens if people’s lives are in danger, remember the recent large-scale floods in Krymsk, fires in central Russia, floods in the Far East, wherever there is a lack of regional forces, the Ministry of Emergencies connects the army, this is normal, just need it simplify and legitimize.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 26 August 2013 11: 53 New
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that for the liquidation of large-scale emergencies, the Ministry of Emergencies did not have anything, but the Soviet GO troops had. They were disbanded in the Moscow Region, and the created rescue centers of the Ministry of Emergencies, by definition, are not able to replace them. The main question, they removed it, they didn’t create it here.
      1. VasDA
        VasDA 27 August 2013 03: 26 New
        +1
        А надо ли? По сути ведь ЧС не так часты. Может это и верно? Есть центры. Есть определенное количество подготовленных спецов-спасателей. А в случае такого, что сейчас у нас, не вижу ничего зазорного привлечь личный состав МО для борьбы и ликвидации последствий ЧС. Тем более, что в данный момент и сами военные "попали" с этим наводнением. И себя спасают, и нам помогают.
  20. ivmes
    ivmes 26 August 2013 11: 20 New
    +4
    It seems to me alone that once in a while Shoigu's uniform changes and more and more towards the armed forces of Africa / South America?
    1. aviamed90
      aviamed90 26 August 2013 13: 28 New
      +2
      ivmes

      Well, yes.

      Армейские фуражки очень напоминают головной убор медведя-пилота из мультика "Чудеса на виражах".
  21. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 26 August 2013 11: 21 New
    +3
    The article presents the political component of this issue. A purely technical? Ministry of Emergencies without the Armed Forces is not able to cope even with the flood. But the Armed Forces, which included units of civil defense, crashed the Chernobyl accident - the largest man-made disaster of mankind. The Japanese still can not cope with their Fukushima!
    1. VasDA
      VasDA 27 August 2013 03: 22 New
      +1
      I do not agree. Cupid is not your small river ... And the flooding area is not a microdistrict of the city ... No forces of the Ministry of Emergencies alone will be enough ... Moreover, imagine that even ordinary residents help both the Ministry of Emergencies and the army to deal with the flood.
  22. albanech
    albanech 26 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +1
    Who knows! Where is Rashid Nurgaliev? As for Shoigu, let him be the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation! I personally do not mind! You Sergey Medvedev +, I completely agree! Let there be MO and GO together! Most likely there will be more order!
  23. antikilller55
    antikilller55 26 August 2013 12: 22 New
    +1
    Even if this is not another media duck, then why not. Uniting worse will not do it for sure, but the benefit in my opinion is obvious, and the common minister is respectful.
  24. andru_007
    andru_007 26 August 2013 12: 35 New
    0
    Quote: Vrungel78
    I take this information as the next duck of the media, which ended in loud sensations. The army all the time helped the civilian population in various troubles. In the light of recent events (flood in the Far East), it is incorrect to consider army assistance as an occasion to unite ministries that are completely different in tasks. This is how MinEnergo merge with the Ministry of Sports.

    In Ukraine, the Ministry of Emergency Situations has already been transferred under the Ministry of Defense as a civil service, which is not clear from this. BUT MO while in the affairs of the Ministry of Emergencies does not climb ...
  25. andru_007
    andru_007 26 August 2013 12: 42 New
    +1
    By the way, about the form (in the photo Shoigu), I think it will be more comfortable. A cap, in any case, for sure, otherwise you wear an aircraft carrier on your head ..
    1. mark7
      mark7 26 August 2013 16: 49 New
      0
      I completely agree (especially about the aircraft carrier)
  26. individual
    individual 26 August 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    Пока руководители силовых министерств работают под "зонтиком" Путина,- вертикали власти ни чего не угрожает. Но нет уверенности, что убери этот "зонтик" глава объединенного силового суперведомства правильно употребит свою власть,свои полномочия,ведь сдержек и противовеса ему нет.
    So, the union of the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Emergencies is a bluff from the media.
  27. fedor
    fedor 26 August 2013 14: 14 New
    +2
    World practice shows that the unification of the Armed Forces and units, units solving the emergency response tasks into a single structure leads to:
    1. To a significant saving of the country's budget.
    2. Reduction of the administrative apparatus and bureaucratic structures.
    3. Simplification and centralization of aircraft control in general, including parts of the emergency.
    4. A significant increase in the combat readiness of the Armed Forces and a reduction in the time for the country's transition to martial law.
    5. At times improves the mobilization readiness of the armed forces.
    etc.
    1. Letnab
      Letnab 26 August 2013 16: 18 New
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      support!
      even that the thread has nothing to supplement!
    2. VasDA
      VasDA 27 August 2013 03: 28 New
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      I think so too ... smile
  28. sprut
    sprut 26 August 2013 19: 54 New
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    It is unlikely that Shoigu will decide against Putin. Yes, and he is older than the President.
  29. mak210
    mak210 26 August 2013 20: 08 New
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    It is high time. In the current situation (fire protection does not count, and it has never been included in the Ministry of Defense), the Ministry of Emergencies can only remove cats from trees. Like a real catastrophe, they immediately connect the army. Well, fig figs of extra generals?

    (I myself served in a civil defense, I can roughly imagine their capabilities at that time, I watched the real work during the fires in the Moscow region of the 72nd year).
    1. vip.rels
      vip.rels 3 January 2014 14: 18 New
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      Бросьте, Вы повелись на телешоу. Никаких котов МЧС - "раковая опухоль" государства - не снимает. Пиар и паркетные шарканья перед свитой губернаторов. Это бесполезная структура. Если их всех до единого одновременно отправить в отпуск, то в стране никто и не заметит их отсутствия. И. Не путать МЧС с Пожарными, которых они к себе присоединили в 2002 году, надев свою форму на бедных пожарников.
  30. Savva30
    Savva30 26 August 2013 20: 31 New
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    I give the green light, unite ... only do not shake the money from the people for this maneuver
  31. pinecone
    pinecone 26 August 2013 23: 14 New
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    Quote: Asan Ata
    On the military department of Great Britain it is written frankly - the Ministry of War.


    The inscription on the historical building is preserved from the old days when the Ministry of Defense of Great Britain was called the War Office, as in the USSR from February 1950 to March 1953.
    Между прочим, на металлических решётках ворот здания Министерства обороны РФ на Фрунзенской набережой ( т.н. "Дом 3")наряду с пентаграммами имеются и большие литые буквы ВМ.
  32. pinecone
    pinecone 27 August 2013 00: 13 New
    +1
    Once again about caps. Marshal of the Soviet Union Malinowski in Budapest.
  33. andru_007
    andru_007 27 August 2013 00: 24 New
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    Quote: pinecone
    Once again about caps. Marshal of the Soviet Union Malinowski in Budapest.

    It was a good shape comfortable ...
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  35. Georgic
    Georgic 27 August 2013 18: 06 New
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    Щойгу уже может потихоньку на черновике набрасывать приказ о "не преследовании бывшего президенты и членов его семьи". Дело похоже к этому идет.
  36. Asan Ata
    Asan Ata 27 August 2013 21: 58 New
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    I remember the army PSH, this was the uniform, the fabric sways!
  37. vip.rels
    vip.rels 3 January 2014 14: 58 New
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    I read the comments and realized that none of the commentators knew anything about the Ministry of Emergencies. I will explain a little. The Ministry of Emergencies is an army of bureaucrats who enjoy all the benefits of the military. Do not combine them with anyone. Nobody needs them. They need to be dispersed. The seventh year I work in the system. They had already played up to the fact that they really were lifeguards, that it’s just funny to watch these clowns. This structure for the state is unprofitable and not effective. They don’t save anyone, they just PR and collect mountains of reports from various administrations and other organizations every day, showing that they “own the situation”. These reports can be about anything. Why do they need it - they themselves do not know. Well, for example: amusing lieutenant colonels - captains make weather and emergency forecasts the next day. Those. a day ahead they predict the number of accidents and other fires, and even indicate the places where they can take place. Rave!!! They conduct daily selectors, where they bend themselves geniuses - rescuers. I thought that the state made it possible for the officers who came under reduction to be promoted, but now it’s clear that this “Soap Bubble” is growing by new lieutenants - daughters, granddaughters, etc., who are not needed. And everyone gets paid very good.
    It should not be confused with firefighters, these extinguish fires, however, it turns out to be selective too. By the way, they tortured them to death with their nit-picking uniforms and other nonsense.