Fabius went camping

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Fabius went camping


Some kind of magical coincidence of dates again and again makes you think that the same directors are behind a variety of events. So, March is known as the month of aggression (Yugoslavia-1999, Iraq-2003, Libya-2011), October is the month of unconstitutional coups (Moscow-1993, Belgrade-2000). But 20-e of August - the time of large-scale provocations and fraud. Some of them led to serious, destructive consequences. In August, 1991 of the year, a group of people who tried to save the USSR were falsely declared “putschists” - and the real putschists put the country under the knife. In August, 1995 of the year - the Mercale market in Bosnian Sarajevo was fired upon - and the bombing of Serb positions began - a prelude to further aggression against Yugoslavia. Recent story - just two years ago, on the same August days, all the major TV channels showed Libyan "rebels" raging in Tripoli Green Square. Then it turned out that those shots were filmed in Qatar, and at this time NATO special forces acted in the present Tripoli, ruthlessly and coolly destroying all life, all resisting ...

And now - August-2013. Major provocation around the chemical weapons in Syria.

The commercials shown by the so-called "opposition" raise many questions. Some of them have already been exposed - they show people who recently died in the Al Fateh mosque in Egypt. But about other cadres, the opinions of the experts were divided. Even such an anti-Syrian television channel, Euronews, showed a statement by Stephen Johnson, a researcher at the Cranfield Institute of Forensic Medicine in the English City of Cranfield. He said the following: “On some videos, what is happening seems too realistic, as if the director had set this scene. This does not mean that we face fraud, but it is doubtful. So, some victims have foam on their lips. It seems to me too white, too clean. This does not correspond to the symptoms of damage to the internal organs, which was to be expected. In this case, the foam should be mixed with blood or bile. "

The expert added: “At this stage, everyone wants to hear a definite answer: whether or not the use of chemical weapons took place. But on the basis of the video data it is still premature to draw any conclusions. ”

Many say that on rollers, in addition to the dead people, allegedly from chemical weapons, quite lively people are visible - but they are without gas masks, even without respirators and masks. It is clear that if there were serious chemical hazards, they would be forced to use at least some personal protective equipment.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said the following about this:
“Government forces in recent days carried out active operations against militants in various directions, including in the eastern suburb of Damascus. Early in the morning of August 21 in this area from the positions taken by the militants, a self-made rocket was launched, similar to the one used by the 19 March terrorists in Khan Al-Asal, with an unidentified chemical poison. Reports of civilian casualties. "


Lukashevich’s commentary on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry also emphasized that “it looks a lot like attempts at any cost to create a pretext for putting demands on the UN Security Council to side with the opponents of Syria and thereby undermine the chances of convening the Geneva conference, which is scheduled for August 28. meeting of Russian and American experts.

The problem is that many eyewitnesses who were near the eastern suburbs of Damascus, completely deny the very fact of the use of chemical weapons. And where the videos presented by the “oppositionists” were made is unknown. After the mankind "passed" combined shots of the assault on Tripoli in Qatar, it would be naive to trust such "evidence" from the same forces.

Thus, the stuffing about the alleged "use of chemical weapons" by the Syrian army could have the following objectives:
1. Distract the UN Commission of Inquiry into the Use of Chemical Weapons from its true job - checking the facts of the use of a warhead with “chemistry” by militants on March 19, 2013 in the Khan Al-Asal district of Aleppo province.
2. Through informational provocations, stop the successful attack of the Syrian army on the Damascus suburb of Jobar, where armed bandits have fortified themselves, constantly shelling residential buildings and other buildings of the capital with mortars.
3. Try to disrupt the "Geneva-2" peace conference on Syria, preparations for which, thanks to Russia's efforts, are in full swing.
4. Once again discredit the Syrian leadership, accusing it of "killing civilians", and justify all the monstrous crimes of the "opposition" bandits.

So, with the videos provided by the "opposition", for the time being absolutely nothing is clear. But some NATO leaders are not waiting for any investigation and no conclusions. They pass their verdict themselves - on the basis of their own interests.

And the French Foreign Minister - the very same France, under the colonial yoke of which for many years was Syria - made a sharp statement in which it calls for brazenly trampling all the norms of reason and international law.

According to him, a “force reaction” is necessary. Burning with showy anger, Fabius refers to his meeting with the leader of the Syrian "opposition", the self-named "President of Syria" Ahmad Zharboy, who, naturally, has no doubt that the chemical attack was and calls upon the heads of his former compatriots - the Syrians - a hail of NATO bombs .

In the destruction of the Libyan Jamahiriya, it was France that played the “first violin”. Then the openly aggressive Nicolas Sarkozy was in power, who had his personal interest in Tripoli - he borrowed money from Gaddafi for his election campaign, and when it came time to pay the bills, he, as the most primitive thug, dealt with the creditor. At least, he took an active part in the incitement of the bombing of Tripoli - this new, as Gaddafi said, “crusade”. And it was the French aircraft that first began to bomb the Libyan cities.

Now the socialist Hollande is allegedly in power, who has built his campaign on criticizing Sarkozy’s rule. So what? His foreign minister, like the Gallic rooster, pricked his feathers and was preparing for the next "crusade" in the Arab region. Obviously, without the approval of Hollande, Fabius would not dare to say a word.

Not far behind Fabius and his Turkish counterpart Ahmad Davutoglu. He also calls on the thunder and lightning of the Syrians. And, of course, not in a hurry to wait for any results of the investigation. Naturally, how can an objective Turkey be - a country through which the main stream of bandits and weapons enters Syria? The country to which the wealth of the Syrian people is leaking - bread, equipment of looted factories, oil?

Davutoglu “forgot” how quite recently Erdogan’s regime brutally dispersed protesters in Taksim Square. More on the pavements did not cool down the blood of the dead demonstrators. Traces of chemical burns on the faces of the protesters have not healed yet - the Turkish police added chemical substances to the skin to the water from the water jets. Davutoglu closed his eyes on the crimes of his boss Erdogan, who used toxic gas against citizens on Taksime. And when Erdogan was asked a direct question about these atrocities, he cynically said: "The Turkish police successfully passed the democracy test."

Of course, one can say that the number of demonstrators killed by Erdogan is incomparable with the number of those killed, who are accused of killing the Syrian army. But then, the demonstrators in Turkey were peaceful. They did not take weapons into their hands, did not bombard residential buildings in Istanbul and Ankara with rocket-propelled grenades, did not capture cities and towns, did not blow up people in schools and offices, did not arrange monstrous mass slaughterhouses, such as, for example, the killing of 450 Kurds near Tel Abyad , on which both Fabius, and his chief, and transatlantic bigwigs successfully closed their eyes.

Today, Fabius and Davutoglu pass in front of an unknown examiner the very same “democracy test”. And who is the examiner? Isn't that the most faceless force that directed aggressions, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... Her name is the capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to count the number of stars in the sky.
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  1. +8
    24 August 2013 07: 50
    the masses love all sorts of mystical coincidences
    1. +24
      24 August 2013 07: 56
      Yes, what are the coincidences? and even more so mystical ... people with brains clogged with stamps and homosexual hawala everything that the Tanovskaya propaganda pours to them with the support of their Gayropei howls.
      1. +32
        24 August 2013 11: 10
        The West has grown weary of the blood it has drunk, vampires have lost not only a sense of justice, but also shame for their sins in front of people. I wish that they sow returned to them as a boomerang. Maybe then turn on the brain.
        1. +2
          25 August 2013 07: 12
          No one will include brains. Yes, and they have no brains, only a thirst for blood. -
          1. +3
            26 August 2013 11: 11
            No, dear, they just have brains! And these brains are very sophisticatedly and consistently leading their game, preparing the world for the next bloody redistribution. These are no longer jokes, not conversations and threats - these are concrete actions embodying a concrete plan for a new world war, and here it’s not up to the hat-tricking talk! No matter how scary it is to say it, but ... WAR ON THE THRESHOLD!
        2. Che
          Che
          +3
          25 August 2013 22: 49
          Pin to Sy are drawing strength to Syria. These bloodsuckers do not care about other nations and countries. From now on, I will not regret at all if skyscrapers showered in pin dos tan. The evil empire must fall.
        3. 0
          30 August 2013 15: 59
          Do not hope, Sandov, they have a clinical case!
    2. +9
      24 August 2013 08: 08
      The capitalists don’t care about all kinds of coincidences, etc., the main thing for them is to make a profit, they don’t give a damn to Syria, who will be there, who will be there, Assad is not pleased with them as an ally of Russia, they want to remove it in any way and get profit later, here’s how kites.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        +8
        24 August 2013 10: 17
        US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said the US Navy is maneuvering in the Mediterranean to be prepared in case President Barack Obama deems it necessary to launch military action against Syria.
        According to Hagel, the head of state asked the Pentagon to prepare several plans of operations in response to reports of the use of chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus.
        The US Department of Defense claims that the fourth warship is already deployed in the eastern Mediterranean. - bbc
        1. +7
          24 August 2013 18: 10
          Today infa went that rat tunnels were found in tunnels near Damascus. So, gentlemen, the puppeteers do not stir up the water.
          1. 755962
            +5
            24 August 2013 21: 44
            Quote: Sandov
            Today infa went that rat tunnels were found in tunnels near Damascus.

            More than 3 thousand patients with symptoms of chemical poisoning are in Syrian hospitals: 355 died
            Today it became known that traces of chemical weapons were found in tunnels in a suburb of Damascus. The army unit opened a tunnel in the small village of Jubar, where militants stored toxic substances. According to Syrian TV, several soldiers died from suffocation.
            “Military heroes entered tunnels where terrorists hide and found chemical weapons,” the Syrian television said. “Sometimes the soldiers began to choke.” Ambulances arrived in Jubar to rescue suffocating people. According to the latest information, government troops are preparing for the assault on Jubar, where the militants are located.


            http://russian.rt.com/article/14489
            1. Che
              Che
              +6
              25 August 2013 08: 41
              755962

              And after all this, will the amers treat us? Nothing according to the second law of Boltzmann's thermodynamics, the amers are not eternal and they will disappear, but the villains have time to shed blood.
              1. +1
                25 August 2013 14: 52
                Quote: Che
                Nothing According to Boltzmann's Second Law of Thermodynamics

                Actually, in some parts of the mattress this law is prohibited by local courts ...
    3. Oskar
      0
      25 August 2013 06: 52
      Not even coincidences - patterns.
    4. Ruslan_F38
      +10
      25 August 2013 11: 53
      "Assad, apparently, you will not envy, but he is holding on so far, and this is very good, because every day of the Syrian resistance means another day given to Russia to prepare for the inevitable. And the fact that the inevitable is inevitable, if not under Obama , then with the "elephants" standing at a low start, there is no longer any doubt: that Russia is in the first place in the list, the Republican speakers - such as Royce and McCain - are no longer speaking in hints, but quite frankly.

      And it is already clear that the scenario will develop according to the Syrian model, with the creation of many instability points simultaneously in different regions of the federation, including Moscow, and the transfer of the plot to a “hot spot” phase, in which Russian nuclear weapons, which America is very afraid of, and Europe is panicky afraid, will not play any role, because no one is bombing their cities and regions - even rebellious ones - with nuclear bombs. And the West will come later, at the ready.

      So, is the situation hopeless? To the morgue?

      Of course not. There are recipes, pharmacists, the Kremlin has all the ingredients for making drugs, so stopping the development of the situation according to the worst-case scenario, or even turning the tide in your favor, is not too late, or even quite realistic. The list of necessary measures is more than obvious. But all this is feasible only under two basic conditions:

      (a) if there is political will, because having decided, you will have to break too much and change the basic rules of the game,
      and (b) if there are no already some kind of behind-the-scenes agreements suggesting the collapse of Russia with the complicity of the Russian elite, as happened a quarter of a century ago with the Soviet Union. "- someone must stop the Western murderers.
      1. Che
        Che
        +3
        25 August 2013 13: 17
        Ruslan correctly noted everything. The voice of the people must be heard. The elite will not hear or will not want to hear - it will be a massacre.
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  2. +16
    24 August 2013 07: 55
    I think (I hope) that the Russian Federation will find evidence of falsification of the film.
    To catch these directors, and their Oscars, Oscars! angry
    1. +16
      24 August 2013 09: 47
      And an Oscar to them ... opu. am
      1. +6
        24 August 2013 13: 07
        Quote: novobranets
        And an Oscar to them ... opu. am

        Oscar will inflate?
        When? Before or after?
        wassat
        1. +3
          24 August 2013 15: 26
          Inflate, but do not forget on him-Oscar-weld inch spikes!
        2. +4
          24 August 2013 16: 08
          We will not inflate, but iron and across the oven.
        3. +2
          25 August 2013 08: 47
          BEFORE ... And after, the maximum download, before the explosion. am
    2. +7
      24 August 2013 10: 02
      No! For such "directors" only Kent (according to NATO classification) and only with nuclear warheads! This is the only way to get through them!
    3. +18
      24 August 2013 10: 10
      And now, while evidence is being sought, it would be good to conduct small joint exercises between our and the Chinese Navy in the eastern Mediterranean. Well, at least a boat from each fleet. To jointly repel an air attack, for example. And everyone would immediately understand that the film was shot simply to satisfy the Western man’s craving for horrors, and not as a provocation for the bombing of Syria.
      1. +5
        24 August 2013 10: 28
        Quote: bot.su
        And now, while evidence is being sought

        You forgot to quote the evidence.
      2. -39
        24 August 2013 11: 39
        Quote: bot.su
        And now, while evidence is being sought, it would be good to conduct small joint exercises between our and the Chinese Navy in the eastern Mediterranean.

        1. The Chinese would have to teleport to the Mediterranean Sea.
        2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.
        3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

        PS
        Syria: Commission works-the number of victims is growing
        1. +23
          24 August 2013 11: 57
          Quote: professor
          1. The Chinese would have to teleport to the Mediterranean Sea.

          Telepоrtiruyutsya. Last year, Chinese ships on the Black Sea visited Syria along the way, by the way. So there are no big problems, only time is needed, but there are a couple of weeks left. If you wish.

          Quote: professor
          2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.

          This is not an indicator. In general, the use of chemical weapons just at the time the commission appeared appears very strange. Does Assad need it? But the one who is waiting for American help and the one who is eager to provide this help is very necessary!

          Quote: professor
          3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

          Do Americans say they have a horde? And us!
          1. +2
            25 August 2013 14: 39
            He’s a scoundrel, he’s a scoundrel, why did he see his flag on his comments ... it's like convincing the Americans to the contrary, ...
        2. +17
          24 August 2013 12: 21
          and in the photo there may well be children of Kurds or Alawites captured by Islamic ghouls, and then killed by them to bring as evidence. Chem attack at the time of arrival of the commission? Well, Poland was the first to attack Germany
          1. -22
            24 August 2013 13: 19
            Quote: bot.su
            Last year, Chinese ships on the Black Sea visited Syria along the way, by the way.

            If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

            Quote: lazy
            Does Assad need it?

            Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

            Quote: bot.su
            Do Americans say they have a horde? And us!

            The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.
            CBS News: Pentagon Develops Assad Missile Strike Plan From Sea

            Quote: lazy
            and in the photo there may well be children of Kurds or Alawites captured by Islamic ghouls, and then killed by them to bring as evidence.

            Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.
            1. +4
              24 August 2013 15: 02
              Quote: professor
              Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

              Well, at least you would write a motive for why the army do this? You can’t use it against militants, the effectiveness is 0, only you’ll poison the territory. Moreover, the torn shells with chemical filling shown in the video are similar to those found in militants in the liberated territories.
              Quote: professor
              Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

              Of course, OM, the militants and poisoned.
              1. -24
                24 August 2013 15: 31
                Quote: DEfindER
                Well, at least you would write a motive for why the army do this?

                What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities? request The press voiced a motive to show the West that in which case the hand does not flinch to use OM in large quantities and over long distances.

                Quote: DEfindER
                Of course, OM, the militants and poisoned.

                This let the investigating authorities understand who applied and what applied.
                1. +6
                  24 August 2013 18: 45
                  Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?
                  1. -11
                    24 August 2013 19: 13
                    Quote: 31231
                    Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?

                    can and clap. This option is being seriously considered.
                    1. +6
                      24 August 2013 20: 48
                      Ogh, and whatever this happens, Israel will preempt and bomb it on enemy territory ?! How easily predictable and commonplace you are.
                  2. -7
                    25 August 2013 05: 09
                    Quote: 31231
                    Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?

                    Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.
                    1. -6
                      25 August 2013 09: 12
                      Quote: Nagan
                      Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.

                      Because they live in such a quarter, if you show weakness, they will score.
                      1. Che
                        Che
                        +2
                        25 August 2013 13: 13
                        Quote: Nagan
                        Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.


                        Quote: professor
                        Because they live in such a quarter, if you show weakness, they will score.


                        To fight on two fronts? Syria has problems above the roof. By the way, created by Israel as well.
                    2. +8
                      25 August 2013 09: 38
                      Quote: Nagan
                      Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.

                      It was a long time ago and therefore not true.
                      1. 0
                        25 August 2013 23: 12
                        Quote: Spade
                        It was a long time ago and therefore not true.

                        From the fact that it was relatively long ago, it did not become a lesser truth. The Great Patriotic War was even earlier, so, according to your logic, the victory of the USSR over Germany is also not true?
                        By my logic, on the contrary, what went down in history is not subject to revision.
                      2. +1
                        25 August 2013 23: 32
                        According to your logic, defeats in the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars were impossible. After all, Napoleon was taken.

                        Actually, your statements in the Russian language have an excellent definition: hat-making.
                2. +10
                  25 August 2013 00: 03
                  I always perceive Mr. "Professor" on the site as an opponent with common sense, although I do not always agree, but I read to the letter. On this issue, I categorically want to object to the Professor ... Your argments in the bucket!
                3. +4
                  25 August 2013 08: 08
                  Quote: professor
                  What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities?

                  Have you seen the explosions of these bombs? I personally watch the reports from Syria and see how air strikes are made on the positions of the militants, the explosions are powerful but they are single and, judging by the destruction, the usual TNT charges.
                4. Dovmont
                  +1
                  25 August 2013 08: 17
                  By the way, Israel was the first to use vacuum bombs in cities in Lebanon in 1982, if that.
                  1. -7
                    25 August 2013 09: 30
                    Quote: DEfindER
                    Have you seen the explosions of these bombs?

                    I saw and already uploaded videos three times.

                    Quote: Dovmont
                    By the way, Israel was the first to use vacuum bombs in cities in Lebanon in 1982, if that.

                    Maybe, but I have not seen confirmation of this.
                    1. +6
                      25 August 2013 09: 36
                      Quote: professor
                      I saw and already uploaded videos three times.

                      Good to compose. Syria simply has no vacuum bombs. And it never was.
                      1. -10
                        25 August 2013 10: 00
                        Quote: Spade
                        Good to compose. Syria simply has no vacuum bombs. And never was

                        List of Syrian Air Force weapons in the studio wink
                      2. +6
                        25 August 2013 10: 08
                        This is not for me, this is for you. You claim that the Syrian army uses banned vacuum bombs. And that they allegedly saw a video with their application. And as the greatest specialist we determined that they are vacuum rather than conventional volume-detonating ones.
                      3. -8
                        25 August 2013 10: 31
                        Quote: Spade
                        And as the greatest specialist we determined that they are precisely vacuum, and not conventional volume-detonating ones.

                        And I thought that vacuum and volume detonating are synonyms. Enlighten, arrange an educational program, so to speak. I beg you.

                        Volumetric explosion ammunition (BWA, also known as thermobaric ammunition, vacuum bombs, space-detonating ammunition (ODB), the term fuel-air bomb is also used in English-speaking countries) - a type of ammunition that uses atomization of a combustible substance in the form of aerosol and detonation of the resulting gas cloud.
                      4. bask
                        +9
                        25 August 2013 10: 49
                        Quote: professor
                        Enlighten

                        Israel uses illegal chemical weapons.
                        "" The Israeli army admitted to using incendiary ammunition filled with white phosphorus during the Lebanese campaign. This was reported on Sunday by the Haaretz newspaper.
                        According to Minister Yaacova Edri, who is in charge of interaction with the parliament in the Israeli government, "the Israel Defense Forces has various types of phosphorus munitions that were used against military targets during the battles with Hezbollah."
                        The Ha'aretz newspaper writes that during the war, the Dar al-Amad hospital in Baalbek received "three corpses with completely dried black-green skin", which is a characteristic sign of death from "white phosphorus".
                        The use of phosphorus ammunition is limited by the third protocol of the Geneva Convention "On Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Specific Types of Conventional Weapons," NewsRu.com reports.[media = http: //www.niros.ru/news/12259.html]
                      5. +4
                        25 August 2013 13: 13
                        Quote: professor
                        Volumetric explosion ammunition (BWA, also known as thermobaric ammunition, vacuum bombs, space-detonating ammunition (ODB), the term fuel-air bomb is also used in English-speaking countries) - a type of ammunition that uses atomization of combustible substance in the form of aerosol and detonation of the resulting gas cloud.

                        Does Wikipedia rule? There is nothing written about the fact that gunpowder and hexogen are also synonyms? By the way, the term "fuel-air" very accurately shows the essence of the "vacuum" bomb.

                        Or maybe you don’t know the difference between burning and detonation?
                      6. -7
                        25 August 2013 16: 05
                        Quote: Spade
                        Wikipedia drives?

                        I ask on my knees, I beg, enlighten and explain how the vacuum bomb differs from the volume detonating one. Pliz, pliz, pliz.

                        Will this work or am I not reading there?
                        Volume Explosion Ammunition (Thermobaric)
                      7. +4
                        25 August 2013 17: 18
                        Quote: professor
                        Will this work or am I not reading there?
                        Volume Explosion Ammunition (Thermobaric)

                        Also does not suit. Because thermobaric ammunition and voluminously detonating ammunition are also completely different ammunition. And the device and the action.
                        And "vacuum", that is, "fuel-air" - this is the third. Unlike thermobaric and volumetric detonating ones, they belong to incendiary weapons, because a spark is needed to initiate them, not detonation. Roughly, they burn, not detonate. Like gasoline vapors in a gas tank, if you try to check the fuel level in it with a match.
                      8. +4
                        25 August 2013 21: 16
                        The false professor turned out to be an ordinary amateur. Hee hee
                      9. +2
                        25 August 2013 22: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        Also does not suit.

                        So they are not satisfied with educational program. Give materiel, links, etc.
                        for example:
                        B O P P I R S A O S B Y O M N O G O V Z R S IN A.
                        In volumetric explosion ammunition (vacuum bomb), mixtures of methylacetylene, propadiene and propane with the addition of butane or a mixture based on propylene oxide (ethylene) and various types of liquid fuel are used.
                        http://lemur59.ru/sites/default/files/images/0482.jpg

                        VOLUME EXPLOSION AMMUNITION

                        Vacuum bomb is the country's strongest non-nuclear weapon

                        Vacuum bomb: principle of action
                        A vacuum bomb is a volume-detonating aerial bomb. It was created on the basis of the effect of a volume explosion of dusty gas and dusty clouds.
                      10. +2
                        26 August 2013 00: 18
                        Quote: professor
                        So they are not satisfied with educational program. Give materiel, links, etc.

                        Professor, you apparently cannot distinguish fire from detonation. Here the materiel must be given with whole textbooks.

                        And one more thing: don't use the term "vacuum bomb" anymore. This does not exist. And volume-detonating, and thermobarric, and even "vacuum" that is, fuel-air pressures do not lower. On the contrary, they still raise it.
                        And I look for links too lazy. For a very simple reason: in Google, the first few pages gave the same amateurish results as those that you submitted. For a very simple reason: there are a lot of amateurs, and specialists are specialists because they don’t upload explosives on the Internet.

                        Little educational program:
                        Fuel-air. Creating a cloud of a combustible mixture (gas, dust, aerosol) with an expelling charge → arson fuel-air mixture initiator.

                        Volumetric detonating. Creating an Explosive Cloud → detonation initiating explosive charge.

                        The processes are similar, but the first refers to incendiary weapons, and therefore it can not be used in settlements, and the second is a simple bomb of increased power.

                        Well, thermobaric ammunition is generally a separate song. It all starts with detonation. Initially, an explosive with a high detonation velocity, then an expanding explosive with a low. In this case, in the best case for the enemy, metal powders, for example aluminum powder, are added to a paste with explosives with a low detonation velocity to increase the temperature at the front of the shock wave, and in the worst case, also combustible substances
                      11. -1
                        26 August 2013 10: 57
                        Quote: Spade
                        Professor, you apparently cannot distinguish fire from detonation. Here the materiel must be given with whole textbooks.

                        You at least a link or a page from a textbook which explains the difference "it is vacuum, not conventional volumetric detonating" and "thermobaric ammunition and volumetric detonating ammunition are also completely different ammunition."

                        And one more thing: don't use the term "vacuum bomb" anymore. This does not exist

                        What are you talking about? I remember someone was wondering if I had confused "namely vacuum, and not conventional volume-detonating". Seems to me in slang "vacuum bomb" is "volume-detonating". So they are historically called in spite of the overpressure during the explosion.

                        Quote: Spade
                        And I look for links too lazy. For a very simple reason: in Google, the first few pages gave the same amateurish results as those that you submitted. For a very simple reason: there are a lot of amateurs, and specialists are specialists because they don’t upload explosives on the Internet.

                        So you scan from a textbook or something, or the principle of action volume detonating AKA vacuum The bombs are top secret? But what about this? Amateur?
                        Colonel-engineer V. Dmitriev "Foreign Military Review", No. 9/1983.
                      12. 0
                        26 August 2013 11: 16
                        Quote: professor
                        Colonel-engineer V. Dmitriev "Foreign Military Review", No. 9/1983

                        Great link. Which you, as usual, have not read yourself.

                        emergence burning with the formation of a shock wave propagating at a supersonic speed.
                      13. 0
                        26 August 2013 11: 26
                        Quote: Spade
                        Great link. Which you, as usual, have not read yourself.

                        I, as usual, read articles to the end. It turns out not only amateurish articles on the topic on the network. wink
                        Waiting for you to explain the difference.
                        Quote: Spade
                        that they are vacuum rather than conventional volume-detonating ones.
                        Was there a boy? laughing

                        PS
                        How could I miss this? wassat
                        Subsequently, the whole world witnessed how the Zionist aggressors, with the direct support of Washington, trying to achieve their aggressive goals, used the most barbaric means of struggle during the brazen invasion of the territory of sovereign Lebanon.
                      14. -1
                        26 August 2013 11: 41
                        The difference lies in the principle of action.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Fuel-air. Creating a cloud of a combustible mixture (gas, dust, aerosol) with an expelling charge → ignition of the fuel-air mixture by the initiator.
                        Volumetric detonating. Creating a cloud of explosive → detonation with an initiating explosive charge.

                        Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?

                        Well, what about your use of incendiary weapons in the settlements of Lebanon, it really was a violation of Protocol 3 of the "Convention on the Prohibition or Restriction of the Use of Specific Types of Conventional Weapons"
                      15. 0
                        26 August 2013 12: 05
                        Quote: Spade
                        Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?

                        Well, they froze stupidity, with whom it does not happen ... So admit it. Why get out?
                        Quote: Spade
                        And one more thing: don't use the term "vacuum bomb" anymore. This does not exist.

                        You will never find links describing the differences between the so-called vacuum and volume detonating bombs. Because there is NO difference between the two, these are one and the same thing only in terms of scientific and worker-peasant names. And burning with detonation has nothing to do with it.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, what about your use of incendiary weapons in the settlements of Lebanon, it really was a violation of Protocol 3 of the "Convention on the Prohibition or Restriction of the Use of Specific Types of Conventional Weapons"

                        For your information, in order to violate the protocol of the convention, you must first sign it, there were no attacks like signing and there was no violation. Are they so? wink

                        “In August 1999, during the period of Chechnya's aggression against Dagestan, a large-caliber bomb of a volumetric explosion was dropped on the Dagestani village of Tando, where a significant number of Chechen fighters had accumulated. The invaders suffered huge losses. In the following days, only the appearance of a single (namely, a single) SU-25 attack aircraft over forced the militants to leave the village in a hurry, even the slang term "Tando Effect"
                      16. -1
                        26 August 2013 12: 16
                        Quote: professor
                        Quote: Spade
                        Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?
                        Well, they froze stupidity, with whom it does not happen ... So admit it. Why get out?

                        Well, do you understand the difference, or not? I need a simple yes-no answer. Do you understand the difference between combustibles and explosives? I need a simple yes-no answer.

                        Quote: professor
                        For your information, in order to violate the protocol of the convention, you must first sign it, there were no attacks like signing and there was no violation. Are they so?

                        Did Syria sign it? I hope so, otherwise it will turn out that you are outraged that the neighbor is doing what is normal for your country.
                      17. -1
                        26 August 2013 12: 21
                        Quote: Spade
                        Well, do you understand the difference, or not? I need a simple yes-no answer. Do you understand the difference between combustibles and explosives? I need a simple yes-no answer.

                        Yes, I understand the difference, I read it at my leisure. Now is your turn, the same AKA, a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?

                        Quote: Spade
                        Did Syria sign it? I hope so, otherwise it will turn out that you are outraged that the neighbor is doing what is normal for your country.

                        Actually, I was not even interested in signing or not. Israel does not use vacuum bombs in its cities with civilians. I used it in Lebanon, but never even in Gaza.
                      18. -1
                        26 August 2013 12: 41
                        Quote: professor
                        Yes, I understand the difference, I read it at my leisure.

                        Perfectly. Now we are comparing two American bombs. The first is BLU-73 which takes place Ignition aerosol cloud of ethylene oxide. The second is GBU-43 / B MOAB, in which detonation aerosol clouds of a liquid mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder.

                        Do you understand the fundamental difference between the first and second? Do you understand that the first is fuel-air, and the second is volume-detonating?

                        I used it in Lebanon, but never even in Gaza.

                        Should I look in the photographs from the "cast lead" for characteristic mushroom clouds after the explosion, or will you find it yourself?
                      19. 0
                        26 August 2013 12: 45
                        Now you simply and honestly answer a simple question: is the same AKA a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?
                      20. 0
                        26 August 2013 13: 02
                        Quote: professor
                        Now you simply and honestly answer a simple question: is the same AKA a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?
                        Of course not. One lights up, the other detonates.

                        The only thing in common is that they are bombs.
                      21. +1
                        26 August 2013 14: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        Of course not. One lights up, the other detonates.

                        The only thing in common is that they are bombs.

                        All clear. Since you are unable to confirm your words (moreover, you say that there are no vacuum bombs -And one more thing: don't use the term "vacuum bomb" anymore. This does not exist), then I consider the question closed.

                        Quote: professor
                        You will never find links describing the differences between the so-called vacuum and volume detonating bombs. Because there is NO difference between the two, these are one and the same thing only in terms of scientific and worker-peasant names. And burning with detonation has nothing to do with it.

                        hi
                      22. -1
                        26 August 2013 14: 27
                        Quote: professor
                        All clear. Since you can’t confirm your words

                        Wait, isn't the lie that the Syrian government used "vacuum" bombs belongs to you?

                        The burden is on you. To prove that they were applied, to prove that they generally exist in nature.
                      23. +1
                        26 August 2013 14: 32
                        Yes, I’m not talking about this, but about the fact that the AKA turns out to be a vacuum bomb and a volume detonating bomb are two different things, and the first does not exist at all ... laughing
                        For today, I already laughed, that's enough.
                      24. -1
                        26 August 2013 14: 42
                        Quote: professor
                        For today, I already laughed, that's enough.

                        Why? Since you were caught on lies and incompetence? There is no need to laugh. I outlined the materiel to you, you even know that detonation and burning are two different things. Well, now you need to prove your statement:

                        Quote: professor
                        What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities?

                        Waiting for facts applications vacuum ammunition by the Syrian authorities. We will deal with cassette tapes later.
                      25. +1
                        26 August 2013 14: 59
                        Quote: Spade
                        I outlined the materiel to you, you even know that detonation and burning are two different things.

                        No dear, you did not describe the materiel, but lied. Either you have all amateurish articles, then there is no vacuum bomb, etc. We have reached the materiel, more and more your gag. You were able to confirm your words that AKA vacuum bombs and conventional volume-detonating are two different things. Well, throw at least one source for such a definition. One. Pliz, pliz, pliz.
                        As soon as I drop you a video using a vacuum bomb in residential areas in Syria.

                        Quote: Spade
                        We will deal with cassette tapes later.

                        I can imagine these disassembly fueled by sources of information. I am already crying. crying

                        PS
                        So are there vacuum bombs or not? wink
                        Briefly, military, yes or no.
                      26. -1
                        26 August 2013 15: 13
                        Quote: professor
                        No dear, you did not outline the materiel, but lied.

                        Disproved, what's the problem.


                        Quote: professor
                        Then you have all amateurish articles

                        But what about the articles lumping together volumetric explosion ammunition, fuel-air, volumetric detonating, and even thermobaric, and putting an equal sign between these ammunition that is completely different in structure and effect?
                      27. +1
                        26 August 2013 15: 23
                        Quote: Spade
                        Disproved, what's the problem.

                        Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against you and I consider you a good specialist in many areas. Unfortunately, there are very few of them. However, in this case, Be is wrong. Well, you can’t always be right. A vacuum bomb, or if you want an AKA, a vacuum bomb and a volume detonating bomb is the same and there is not a single source (except you) refuting it.

                        Quote: Spade
                        But what about the articles lumping together volumetric explosion ammunition, fuel-air, volumetric detonating, and even thermobaric, and putting an equal sign between these ammunition that is completely different in structure and effect?

                        Not all articles are "equally useful". Trust me, I re-read hundreds of articles every week and sometimes fall into the sediment of those gems that I meet there. For example, how oxygen burns out in a volumetric explosion. It turns out that oxygen can be oxidized ... By the way, this occurs not only in the Russian-speaking sector. Nevertheless, the same article from the Foreign Military Review that I brought you deserves attention, and the author of respect. And to call it an amateurish language does not turn.
                      28. +3
                        25 August 2013 15: 17
                        Quote: professor
                        And I thought that vacuum and volume detonating are synonyms. Enlighten, arrange an educational program, so to speak. I beg you.


                        And this must be explained to your colleagues from across the Atlantic Ocean.
                        They shared these concepts.
                      29. bask
                        +5
                        25 August 2013 11: 52
                        Quote: professor
                        Weapons list

                        During the 20-day operation, Cast Lead. In the Gaza Strip, against the Hamas movement, the Israeli army used new aerial bombs with fragments invisible in R-rays.
                        "" A military expert of the human rights organization Human Rights Watch believes that unusual burns, charred limbs and internal injuries indicate the use of ammunition by the Israeli army with precisely such secret explosives. At the same time, unlike traditional ammunition. There are no fragments inside the victims' bodies, and on the damaged organs contain small dusty particles. The outfit is a carbon fiber casing filled with tungsten powder and explosives. When the ammunition is triggered, tungsten heats up to very high temperatures and causes severe burns in the wounded, and microscopic metal particles enter the body, causing damage and bleeding of internal organs. "" "
                        http://www.arms-expo.ru/050055049057124054050056051.html
                      30. The Indian Joe
                        0
                        25 August 2013 21: 56
                        Professor, according to the publicly available sources that I have studied, the SAR army does not use "vacuum" bombs, they are ammunition for a volumetric detonating explosion.
                        If this is not the case, please provide not dubious videos of some explosions, which were "quite accidentally" filmed by a representative of terrorists with a camera who was nearby, for some reason filming this particular house at that time, but a simple reference to the range of weapons of the Syrian government army, where such ammunition is listed as being in service.

                        List of Syrian Air Force weapons in the studio
                        -
                        As you know, Syria is actively operating the Su-24 bomber
                        Here is a list of weapons of the Su-24:

                        4 UR of the class "air-surface" M-23 or X-23M


                        4 UR of a similar class X-25MR / ML


                        2 anti-radar UR M-28


                        up to 3 UR M-29L / T air-to-surface class


                        2 UR "air-radar" X-31P


                        2 anti-radar UR X-58U / E


                        2 UR "air-surface" X-59


                        up to 6 blocks UB-32 for 32 57-mm NURS S-5


                        up to 6 B-8M blocks of 20 80-mm NURS S-8


                        up to 6 B-13 blocks of 5 122 mm NURS S-13


                        4 240 mm NURS S-24


                        4 340 mm NURS S-25


                        4 adjustable bombs KAB-500L / KR


                        2 adjustable bombs KAB-1500L / TK


                        34 100-kg FAB-100 aerial bombs


                        30 250-kg air bombs FAB-250


                        9 500-kg FOB-500M54 / M62 bombs


                        7 incendiary bombs ZB-500Sh / DG


                        6 volume detonating air bombs ODRB-500P


                        8 RBC-250 one-time bomb cassettes


                        4 single-shot RBK-500 bomb cassettes


                        7 universal containers KMGU


                        3 suspended gun mounts SPPU-6 with 23 mm six-barreled guns 9A-620 or 9A-768 with ammunition of 500 rounds


                        2 3000-liter and 1 2000-liter PTB


                        up to 4 short-range missiles R-60 for self-defense against an air opponent

                        Show me the volume-detonating ammunition here. After all, you stated that the SAR Air Force uses them in civilian ways? The name of the ammunition, and the proof that it is in service with the Syrian Air Force, in the studio.
                        Doubtful videos, with the statement "and it was the vacuum ammunition that exploded," I ask you not to post it - since your value as an expert in such statements is zero.
                      31. -1
                        25 August 2013 22: 18
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        If this is not so, please provide non-dubious videos

                        Already twice provided, look in my comments.

                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Doubtful videos, with the statement "and it was the vacuum ammunition that exploded," I ask you not to post it - since your value as an expert in such statements is zero.

                        And I’m still waiting for when the topic finally appears in which you will sparkle with your knowledge ... probably I won’t wait. sad

                        PS
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        Show me here volume detonating ammunition.

                        Do you again have a split personality or do you not read your own mine-pastes?
                        Quote: Injun Joe
                        6 volume detonating bombs ODRB-500P


                        Learn materiel !!!
                  2. bask
                    +5
                    25 August 2013 11: 34
                    Israel, with airstrikes on the territory of Syria. Used depleted uranium bombs.
                    "" 06.05.2013/08/39 | XNUMX:XNUMX
                    Syria accuses Israel of using depleted uranium munitions in recent airstrikes. "" [media = http: //www.isra.com/news/161747]
                    Portal ISRAland - Israeli news.
                    1. Che
                      Che
                      +9
                      25 August 2013 13: 23
                      Basque.
                      Israel has taken the path of crime and violence. And there is no excuse for him. They saw the branch on which they sit with their own hands. People will remember everything at x-hour.
                      1. bask
                        +5
                        25 August 2013 14: 27
                        Quote: Che
                        . People will remember everything at x-hour.


                        I agree.
                        You can’t fight against the entire Muslim world.
                        Sooner or later, Israel will collapse under the onslaught of a billion Muslims.
                        And the United States, merge it with a clear ,, Amerov’s conscience ,, !!!
                        Pan.prof is silent, there is probably nothing to say. More correctly, the arguments have ended.
                        Conclusion: Israel, the state is a terrorist.
                      2. +2
                        25 August 2013 15: 10
                        Quote: bask
                        You can’t fight against the entire Muslim world.


                        but you can argue with that.
                        the fact is that the current situation of the war of all against all in the BV is very beneficial to Israel.
                        look, there are already two countries, strong in the military sense, Egypt and Syria, almost withdrawn from the foreign policy game with Iraq in which it looks like their own war begins, there are already 3 of these countries.
                        there is also Jordan and the UAE, but they have a strictly pro-American policy, which means they will not go against Israel.
                        It remains to deal with Iran, and voila - Israel (with the support of the US and Turkey) - the owner of the BV.
                        and to fight with poorly armed savages he is not used to.
                        Well, since gas was discovered on the shelf near Israel, Lebanon, and Syria, this war has also become profitable.
                        not to mention supporting your own defense industry
                        Quote: bask
                        Conclusion: Israel, the state is a terrorist.

                        but you can’t argue with that
                        bombing other countries only on the basis of the ASSUMPTION that they have weapons threatening their country, this is how to kill a neighbor because he keeps his kitchen knives ground.
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            2. +8
              24 August 2013 15: 31
              Quote: professor
              If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

              May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China, and now the more so, tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

              Quote: professor
              Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

              What are you! Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation? I now think that this was a terrorist initiative prompted from the Washington Regional Committee.

              Quote: professor
              The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.

              What does the hats have to do with it? The main difficulty of the conflict with Russia for the United States is that we may eventually start throwing the "caps" produced by the Votkinsk plant. Therefore, one ship is enough to make you think about the consequences. And let them develop plans for themselves, the paper will endure everything.

              Quote: professor
              Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

              So no one argues. If terrorists and the United States are interested in using chemical weapons in Syria, then they should not have problems with this. Some provided, others applied, all dumped on Assad. And then cannibals, as luck would have it, are not in the ranks of the government army ...
              By the way, according to recent reports, government troops seized chemical weapons in an underground tunnel, which was recaptured from the Basmachi. So 1: 1.
              1. -14
                24 August 2013 15: 39
                Quote: bot.su
                May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China, and now the more so, tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

                Who pays for the girl and dances her. The billions of dollars are donated to Egypt not by China, but by the United States.

                Quote: bot.su
                Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation?

                I’m not sure that Assad controls the situation at all.

                Quote: bot.su
                The main difficulty of the conflict with Russia for the United States is that we can eventually start throwing the "caps" produced by the Votkinsk plant

                laughing Manufacturer and supplier of oil and gas and industrial equipment, household and household goods, goods for children, ...
                Are you alluding to the ICBMs? Well, yes, a nuclear apocalypse will arrange the Kremlin for Assad. fool

                We will wait for the conclusions of the commission. hi
                1. +11
                  24 August 2013 16: 01
                  Quote: professor
                  Who pays for the girl and dances her. The billions of dollars are donated to Egypt not by China, but by the United States.

                  Yes, you live yesterday.
                  Chinese money will allow Egypt to “give up loans and aid,” the official said. But China wants to win back the lost billions in Libya and gain a foothold in the priority rights to pass through the Suez Canal - traditionally they belonged to the United States. This privilege is especially attractive to the Celestial Empire, which needs to protect its investment in the Mediterranean and Black Seas. Given the increased tension around the Iranian nuclear program, all of these tripartite steps seem to be consistent.

                  And if you look, then the trend is visible, China has reached such a level of relations with all African, and not only countries, that hardly any of the official rulers will decide to refuse it. In Africa, China everywhere has difficulties only with various terrorists and other bandits supported by the West. Here it is, democracy ...

                  Quote: professor
                  I’m not sure that Assad controls the situation at all.

                  Well, very few people control terrorists. If we recall September 11, then even the "hegemon" has problems with this. Got the game with al-Qaeda.

                  Quote: professor
                  Manufacturer and supplier of oil and gas and industrial equipment, household and household goods, goods for children, ...

                  Well, yes, in Russia since Soviet times, it says "x .." on the fence, but in fact there is firewood. what

                  Quote: professor
                  Well, yes, a nuclear apocalypse will arrange the Kremlin for Assad.

                  Well, this is an extreme option, but you should always remember about it. The Germans in 1914 also did not think that such a mess would be brewed because of the Serbs, but more than 20 million people were killed and 50 million were wounded. And, by the way, the massive use of weapons of mass destruction, available at that time. So you need to think about the consequences. It’s not Assad’s business, but in principle.
                  1. -4
                    24 August 2013 16: 07
                    Quote: bot.su
                    Chinese money will allow Egypt

                    China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

                    Quote: bot.su
                    Well, this is an extreme option, but you should always remember about it.

                    I do not believe!!! When Lavrov’s daughter returns from London for permanent residence to Russia, when the Russian elite abandons their real estate in the West, etc., even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.
                    1. +9
                      24 August 2013 18: 11
                      Quote: professor
                      China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

                      America and for nothing?
                      fool
                      Professor, you drive.
                      laughing
                      1. -4
                        24 August 2013 18: 16
                        The United States, which sponsored the peace treaty, pledged, for its part, to facilitate its implementation by Egypt. For 1979 alone, the total economic assistance to Israel and Egypt amounted to 7,3 billion dollars [4]. Since then, Egypt has received US military assistance annually in excess of 1,3 billion dollars, and the total amount of assistance that the US Agency for International Development has since provided to Egypt in developing infrastructure, agriculture and health care exceeds 28 billion dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent from 1986 to 2008 a year to help the Egyptian private sector import US goods [5].
                        For free, in the sense of it is not necessary to return.
                      2. +7
                        24 August 2013 18: 48
                        Quote: professor
                        For free, in the sense of it is not necessary to return.

                        Sorry for the comparison, the prostitute also does not need to return the money, but this does not mean that she receives them for nothing. She fulfills the wishes of the client.
                        Better to borrow, I think.
                      3. +1
                        24 August 2013 19: 35

                        A bear gave Senechka money (2 min 45 sec) and gave the house (2 min 31 sec).
                        It seems like for nothing (you don’t need to return them),
                        but the interest and benefit of the Jap is obvious.
                        Yes
                        So again:
                        - For nothing?
                        - Behind the barn!

                        laughing
                      4. 0
                        25 August 2013 15: 33
                        Quote: professor
                        In 1979 alone, the total


                        Much water has since flowed.
                        And China is already the second largest economy in the world.

                        Quote: professor
                        Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent from 1986 to 2008 to help the Egyptian private sector import US goods


                        Yep ...
                        The usual cut of the state budget of mattress and Egypt.
                        By the way ended with the landing of Mubarak.
                        And now what?
                        A few thousand zapopisty Russian tourists - manna from heaven for Egypt's entire GDP ?!
                        So the headquarters of several million real yuan already this year entered Egypt to reconstruct railway tracks - not another Chinese warning from the 1970s.
                    2. +6
                      24 August 2013 18: 45
                      Quote: professor

                      China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

                      If China promises, then it pays, the Chinese know the value of promises and what a "loss of face" is. Although this is not given to everyone to understand. In addition, the pragmatism of the Chinese is such that in all their loans and investments, at the request of the receiving side, they include a considerable corruption component and do not ask where part of the funds received has gone. Unlike American "Democrats"
                      America pays less and less, in July, for example, fighter jets ceased to be delivered and generally thought, the counter-revolution, however, overthrew the elected president.

                      Quote: professor
                      I do not believe!!! When Lavrov’s daughter returns from London for permanent residence to Russia, when the Russian elite abandons their real estate in the West, etc., even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.

                      Yes, please do not believe what you want. But:
                      Russian landowners and bourgeoisie also preferred Europe, and Germany in particular, to World War I;
                      in 1913, Germany's share in Russia's foreign trade was 38,2%.
                      And nothing, it didn’t hinder to cling in general out of the blue. And the daughter of Lavrov ... The danger in the event of a global war is the same, both in Russia and in England. She still has to go to Paraguay or to the south of Chile.

                      Of course, I also do not want to think that the biggest technological disaster will happen because of Syria. But if the states strike in Syria, then we will have to answer. And it is not known how far this will go ...
                      So yes, we will rely on common sense and the UN hi
                      1. -7
                        24 August 2013 19: 16
                        Quote: bot.su
                        If China promises, then it pays, the Chinese know the value of promises and what a "loss of face" is.

                        Distinguish between words and deeds. China is promising, while the US is already paying.

                        Quote: bot.su
                        But if the states strike in Syria, then we will have to answer.

                        Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.
                      2. +9
                        24 August 2013 19: 46
                        Quote: professor
                        Distinguish between words and deeds. China is promising, while the US is already paying.

                        "China is currently one of the most active investors in the Egyptian economy. In total, more than $ 276 million have been invested over the past several years. 927 joint ventures have been created with a joint capital of over $ 370 million. Last year, the volume of trade between Egypt and Guangdan province exceeded $ 1,2 billion. "

                        "Given the current situation in Egypt, we believe it is inappropriate to continue supplying F-16s at this time," Little said. He noted that the decision was unanimously supported by all national security experts on President Obama's team.

                        You have it.

                        Quote: professor
                        Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.

                        Did Putin tell you this in a secret conversation? Nobody bothers him quickly to make PMCs legal, who want to combine a dislike for the states and there are many good earnings. And there is no political risk for the Kremlin, these are not conscripts.
                      3. -9
                        24 August 2013 19: 56
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Currently, China is one of the most active investors in the economy of Egypt. In total, more than 276 million dollars have been invested over the past few years.

                        276 million over the past few years? The United States has presented over a billion greens in the past year alone.

                        Quote: bot.su
                        Did Putin tell you this in a secret conversation?

                        This has been the case since the 1990 year in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya and indeed everywhere. Saddam was hanged, Muammar was lynched and there was no nuclear war. Asad will be hanged and nothing will happen.
                      4. +5
                        24 August 2013 20: 11
                        Quote: professor
                        276 million in the last few years?

                        for 2010, in my opinion. And we are talking about one Chinese province.
                        Quote: professor
                        The United States has donated more than a billion greens in the past year alone.

                        So what? The gift brook begins to dry up.

                        Quote: professor
                        Asad will be hanged and nothing will happen.

                        The situation in Russia is such that if Putin surrenders Assad, then Putin himself may be overtaken by the fate of Saddam or, rather, Gaddafi. He points now only in foreign policy can gain. In the inside, his face was fed up.
                      5. -5
                        24 August 2013 20: 15
                        Quote: bot.su
                        So what? The gift brook begins to dry up.

                        When it runs dry then we'll talk.

                        Quote: bot.su
                        The situation in Russia is such that if Putin surrenders Assad, then Putin himself may be overtaken by the fate of Saddam or, rather, Gaddafi. He points now only in foreign policy can gain. In the inside, his face was fed up.

                        You are a prankster however. The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus? laughing
                      6. +7
                        24 August 2013 20: 26
                        Quote: professor
                        The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus?

                        No, the fate of Israel is being decided there. The direct intervention of the USA and Europe in the conflict means the beginning of the end for your state.
                      7. -10
                        24 August 2013 20: 39
                        Quote: Spade
                        No, the fate of Israel is being decided there. The direct intervention of the USA and Europe in the conflict means the beginning of the end for your state.

                        laughing Their gut is thin.
                      8. +5
                        24 August 2013 20: 45
                        Your intestines are thin. A shout from Europe was enough for Israel to quickly begin to tolerate the "reactivists" from the Gaza Strip.

                        You do not have as many hydrocarbons as Arabs have. And therefore, it is very likely that you will be merged for the sake of Qatar or the SA.
                      9. -7
                        24 August 2013 20: 49
                        Quote: Spade
                        Your intestines are thin. A shout from Europe was enough for Israel to quickly begin to tolerate the "reactivists" from the Gaza Strip.

                        Well yes? Israel has been in Gaza for decades. Stop eating. More precisely fed. No one planned to re-occupy Gaza. The salt will not be merged, what will happen to Israel is decided only in Jerusalem and certainly not in Damascus, Moscow or Brussels.
                      10. +7
                        24 August 2013 21: 16
                        Quote: professor
                        Stop eating. More precisely fed.

                        C'mon, they kicked you out of there, and not the Palestinians, but the Europeans and the Americans.
                      11. -8
                        24 August 2013 21: 27
                        Quote: Spade
                        C'mon, they kicked you out of there, and not the Palestinians, but the Europeans and the Americans.

                        Yeah, the Europeans imposed the exchange program on Sharon. laughing
                      12. +4
                        24 August 2013 21: 33
                        And who, Palestinian teenagers with the "weapon of the proletariat"? Don't tell my slippers.
                      13. -3
                        24 August 2013 21: 38
                        Quote: Spade
                        And who, Palestinian teenagers with the "weapon of the proletariat"? Don't tell my slippers.

                        You have already made me laugh. Tired of feeding a million parasites, that's the whole deal. From the West Bank, the Americans and Europeans did not drive Israel? It suddenly became weak, or are they somehow not consistent?

                        PS
                        Have you seen oil prices? wink
                      14. +6
                        24 August 2013 21: 55
                        "Stop feeding the Caucasus" ??? Professor, you surprise me ...

                        Quote: professor
                        From the West Bank, the Americans and Europeans did not drive Israel?

                        Almost driven away. Not only that, they participate in financing the Palestinian National Authority. So the process is going on.
                      15. -7
                        24 August 2013 22: 05
                        Quote: Spade
                        Almost driven away. Not only that, they participate in financing the Palestinian National Authority. So the process is going on.

                        Now my shoelaces are laughing. Remember the Madrid Conference, the Oslo Accords, the negotiations between Barack and Arafat. The Arabs of the territory in exchange for peace have always been offered, but they refused. Agree to receive the territory and the conditions of Israel, not Europe or the United States.
                      16. +3
                        24 August 2013 23: 20
                        My laces are laughing. From such uriapatriots like you.

                        Quote: professor
                        Agree to receive the territory and the conditions of Israel, not Europe or the United States.

                        Yeah ... Baroness Catherine will come, face you in the puddle, and everything will be on the conditions of Qatar and the Saudis.
                      17. -4
                        25 August 2013 08: 33
                        Quote: Spade
                        My laces are laughing. From such uriapatriots like you.

                        I have never noticed urapatriotism behind me. Thank you for enlightening.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Yeah ... Baroness Catherine will come, face you in the puddle, and everything will be on the conditions of Qatar and the Saudis.

                        What is verbal diarrhea? Let's be more specific. Who made Israel go to the Madrid Conference, sign the Oslo Accords, and finally leave Gaza? Please, no lunges and with facts, unless of course you have information. Or for example, who now forced Israel to go to the next round of negotiations with the Palestinians (hint-demography).
                      18. 0
                        26 August 2013 08: 45
                        "what will happen to Israel is decided only in Jerusalem" - you wanted to say in Washington. laughing
                        Yes, I understand, my fingers popped off.
                      19. +1
                        25 August 2013 13: 50
                        So many thought before you, and as history showed, they were usually mistaken.
                      20. +5
                        24 August 2013 20: 33
                        Quote: professor
                        When it runs dry then we'll talk.

                        Or maybe when it dissolves in the Chinese river ...

                        Quote: professor
                        You are a prankster however. The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus?

                        Well, I like to joke smile But the question you are not raising is this. Putin’s fate is now largely decided in the arena of foreign policy. And a considerable influence on it (Putin’s fate) can be exerted by the answer, especially its absence, to US intervention in the conflict in Syria. Although our scout will be able to get out here, the KGB still smile
                        And what are we all about Putin. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, can such a person start a war? laughing
                      21. Dovmont
                        0
                        25 August 2013 08: 23
                        China has already lost its billions invested in Libya and Tunisia. And meekly. What will stop him from losing his billions in Egypt?
                      22. +1
                        25 August 2013 12: 21
                        Resignedly? These are the Chinese, consider the difference in cultures. “If you sit on the river bank for a long time, you will see the corpse of your enemy floating by” - some kind of saying they have. What to murmur, they remembered everything.
                        By the way, even their patience with attempts by the West to throw them in Africa ends. Chinese troops, while in the UN missions are in the DRC, Liberia, Sudan and Mali. A couple of decades will pass and the Chinese aircraft carriers and UDC will return the billions invested in Libya and Tunisia with interest. And you speak meekly.
                      23. Che
                        Che
                        +1
                        25 August 2013 13: 26
                        Quote: professor
                        Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.


                        Amer apparently intends to get 200, well, the road is there for them.
                      24. +4
                        25 August 2013 15: 35
                        Do you think the American soldiers will go to the bayonet? They will hit with precision weapons, no contact battle. The American military will enter Syria when nothing threatens
                    3. +1
                      25 August 2013 15: 27
                      Quote: professor
                      even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.

                      Do you vouch for overseas comrades ?!
                      You are either very brave or very stupid.
                      The word "stupid" does not fit with you.
                      Most likely they just got excited.
                  2. +4
                    25 August 2013 00: 15
                    "botan.su", everything that I wanted to say, you have already published ... Thank you for your work at the moment of my laziness. ++++
                    The Professor is wrong in this thread!
                    1. +2
                      25 August 2013 12: 53
                      He knows that he is wrong, but he is at work ... today it has become obvious.
                      1. +2
                        25 August 2013 13: 53
                        fulfills 30 silverfish?
                      2. -3
                        25 August 2013 16: 07
                        Quote: tilovaykrisa
                        fulfills 30 silverfish?

                        Are you paying me?
                      3. +2
                        25 August 2013 16: 49
                        But is it worth it?
                    2. 0
                      25 August 2013 13: 21
                      Thank. And, apparently, we, who think so, are not few drinks
            3. +1
              25 August 2013 15: 03
              Quote: professor
              If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

              Do not earn a few million yuan on this ?!
              Such then they are not Egyptians and not Arabs.
              And yet you are not from Israel - you should know better about your genetic brothers.
              And then there is Gibraltar. There, too, there is someone the yuan will not hurt.
              1. +1
                25 August 2013 17: 35
                Quote: dustycat
                And then there is Gibraltar. There, too, there is someone the yuan will not hurt.

                Gibraltar is far and long, but true, free. But if so, then there is the Northern Sea Route, the inland waterways of the Russian Federation and the Bosphorus with the Dardanelles. Turkey is unlikely to mind, after all, the strait is not a canal. The yuan will definitely not hurt us. You can even, as allies, with a big discount smile
            4. +1
              25 August 2013 15: 13
              Quote: professor
              Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

              Here it is.
              TOO WHOLE. For sarin.
              I don’t know about you, but in the army of the USSR they taught the symptoms of exposure to OM.
              It should be much worse - a strong internal subcutaneous hemorrhage. Cyanosis should be, streaks and bruises around the eyes.
              It is more likely that the children were locked in some kind of room and put in exhaust from several clunkers.
        3. +9
          24 August 2013 15: 09
          Quote: professor
          2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.

          Oleg, hi ! You know, I’m still inclined to believe the sources ...UN, August 19. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Oleg Zelenin. UN chemical weapons experts began work in Syria. This was announced today to reporters by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon.
          -
          And the latest news on the use of CW in Syria: 14: 09: 24.08.2013 MOSCOW, August 24 - RIA Novosti. Syrian authorities on Saturday announced the discovery of chemical weapons in the positions of militants, Reuters reported with reference to Syrian state TV.

          The report states that the Syrian troops discovered chemical weapons in the militants' tunnel, while some soldiers suffered from the strangulation of chemical substances.

          "The military saw a chemical substance at the entrance to the tunnels of the militants. In some cases, the soldiers suffered from suffocation when they entered the Jobar tunnels. A medical service was called to the scene to rescue those who were suffocating," the agency quoted Syrian TV as saying.

          RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/
        4. +6
          25 August 2013 07: 18
          If Islamists win in Syria, Israel will be their first target
        5. Dovmont
          +6
          25 August 2013 08: 14
          Something at all "dead" skin of flesh-colored! Corpses have an earthy skin color. No traces of wounds are visible on any "corpse", which means that they are "poisoned" with chemical weapons. Moreover, the color of their skin should be different, at least bluish color due to tissue hypoxia. The position of the bodies is free, relaxed, without signs of postmortem muscle contracture - the same "minus" for the directors. Well, if you are stupid ignoramuses, which is natural for the descendants of camel drivers, then invite experts to the shooting, do not make Dr. Goebbels blush for you in hell !!!
        6. Che
          Che
          +3
          25 August 2013 08: 45
          Professor.

          Rats at the behest of puppeteers kill civilians without disdaining to use chemical weapons. Hitler during the Second World War did not dare to apply it. And these pigs are not afraid of anything, of course, with such patronage. Amer bear the same responsibility for the actions of their students - rats.
        7. Che
          Che
          0
          25 August 2013 17: 44
          Professor.
          3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

          You sacredly believe in the infallibility of amers. The right word is ridiculous to expect from the puppeteers of humanity.
          1. +2
            25 August 2013 22: 07
            Quote: Che
            You sacredly believe in the infallibility of amers. The right word is ridiculous to expect from the puppeteers of humanity.

            God forbid. They are sinful above the roof.
        8. The Indian Joe
          +2
          25 August 2013 22: 03
          Doesn't it seem strange to you that a missile launch from areas controlled by militants has been noted?
          Doesn’t it bother you that in the photo and video the symptoms of use are either absent or unconvincing (for example, some have white foam instead of yellow or red, characteristic of poisoning with sarin, which damages internal organs, there is no vomiting, tremor, etc.)?
          You do not mind that the provocation was carried out Soon after the arrival of UN inspectors to the country, who just had to investigate the use of agents? Yes, even in an area that is traditionally pro-Assad, and almost all under the control of government forces that cope with bandits and so on?
          1. +1
            25 August 2013 22: 24
            Quote: Injun Joe
            Doesn't it seem strange to you that a missile launch from areas controlled by militants has been noted?

            I am all the same who applied it and honestly I wish them to apply it as much as possible, moreover, by both sides, but we will be honest.
            If in Syria there is a chemical weapon (and it has one), then how did the militants get it (and therefore can emerge altogether anywhere in the world and in the Caucasus, among others) So Assad (or rather legal authority) had to at least arrange proper security.
            The fault is indisputable already
            Further in Damascus, everything is so intertwined that you never know who started it and where it came from, all the more since it is unfounded. someone fixed the trajectory? How do they even know where they let

            Quote: Injun Joe
            Doesn’t it bother you that in the photo and video the symptoms of use are either absent or unconvincing (for example, some have white foam instead of yellow or red, characteristic of poisoning with sarin, which damages internal organs, there is no vomiting, tremor, etc.)?

            It’s not worth it to affirm what you don’t know. Moreover, to retell the words of unknown experts. Until the type of gas is established, talk about the symptoms and how they should look early.
            There are a huge number of victims (hundreds), they say, it’s probably not difficult to establish the cause of death (like time)

            Quote: Injun Joe
            You do not mind that the provocation was carried out Soon after the arrival of UN inspectors to the country, who just had to investigate the use of agents

            I am even more confused that Assad has not allowed inspectors to the place where it was used for 5 days, WHY? He’s got cards in his hands, and maybe because in 12 hours the sarin practically disappears
            Zarin belongs to the group of unstable OM. In the drip-liquid form, the resistance of sarin can be: in the summer - several hours, in the winter - several days
            . and leaves no residue? And for some reason, some chemicals were found very quickly (even with a photo) with the statement that it was a chemical. weapons. I don’t know which suicides kept him in plastic canisters, where he was stolen from (I’m sure that it was stored in at least standard containers) and where (more precisely, in what light are those people who poured it into these cans. What kind of nonsense is that?
            I have never seen poisonous BVs stored in cylinders wildly like oxygen (150 atmospheric), although everyone knows that sarin (and it is claimed that it was used)
            Represents
            methyl fluorophosphonic acid isopropyl ether, a colorless and odorless liquid; mixes in all respects with water and organic solvents.

            it is a liquid; it is not stored in pressure cylinders.
            Half truth is worse than a lie.
            1. Che
              Che
              0
              25 August 2013 22: 57
              Tremble the Arabs, the West declared a crusade. Here is terrorist number 1 in the world. Do not look in Tora Bora. Here they are darlings drawn on the horizon.
            2. 0
              25 August 2013 23: 04
              chemical weapons are stored in special containers, and not in such containers. gas has the ability to fade with time, maybe experts are not allowed to go there, but it’s stupid anyway, because traces still remain. Anyone who has seen an oxygen cylinder explosion will confirm my words that it’s very dangerous and the bearded Use these cylinders like a bomb. But the fact that Assad is responsible for the storage of chemical weapons is more than true.
        9. +2
          26 August 2013 00: 35
          Assad is squeezing ub-people, and now they will go to any crime, so that the Amers would have reason to intervene. They use the last chance. The frame also understands this. Otherwise, most likely there will be no chance to get into Syria.
    4. AVV
      +1
      24 August 2013 15: 19
      I think that Oscar on the head ??? And the West always likes to shift all problems from a sore head to a healthy one !!!
  3. +17
    24 August 2013 07: 56
    Provocation of the purest water! Just think of a hundred - there are fewer opposition spooks and mujahideen from the homeless people recruited in the hot spots of the eastern bazaars, the loss is not great, we will hire more ... but they "fell for the sake of the great idea of" crap democratization "! And loud cries about the OV attack will help in confusion and involve the troops in hostilities, serious armies in the war for the overthrow of the disagreeable to the West and Israel, Assad. Then the truth will emerge ... BUT IT WILL BE AFTER THAT !!! Borjomi will be too late to drink. And now we need to give a reason!
    There is no other way to call the suburb of Damascus shelling a "homemade" rocket. You need to be completely "sick in the head" so that at the time of the arrival of the UN commission to investigate the facts of the use of agents, apply them. The ASAD and the SYRIA government do not suffer from this, they are of sound mind.
    And Russia will not allow a repeat of LIVIA ... not Medvedev in power.
  4. +1
    24 August 2013 08: 06
    vultures prepare to feast
    1. +4
      25 August 2013 21: 38
      Quote: andrei332809
      vultures prepare to feast

      Because our authorities weakly defend Syria. Under the USSR, they would not even have dreamed of bombing Syria. If they don’t deliver C-300 directly, they are afraid of fighter jets and other defensive weapons, not to mention offensive ones. If our current government allows NATO’s attacks on Syria and B. Assad’s fall in power, the people will finally understand that we have Western proteges in disguise as Russian patriots. The people will not believe the next excuses for power, that we could not do anything like it was in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and now the turn seems to come to Syria and Iran.
  5. +5
    24 August 2013 08: 10
    if the production according to the script, then you won’t get away from the templates, and the directors love all sorts of coincidences, etc. etc.......
  6. +13
    24 August 2013 08: 43
    This Fabius would walk ... in the forest.
    Together with directors like:
    1. +4
      24 August 2013 12: 59
      Quote: Ulysses
      This Fabius would walk ... in the forest.
      Together with directors like:



      I advise you to get acquainted http://oko-planet.su/fail/failvideo/videopolitik/187415-kak-bandity-iz-cru-delay
      ut-revolyuciyu-v-sirii-avtorskiy-film.html

      Please note that 2 of 3 videos have already been deleted.

      HERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
      1. +1
        24 August 2013 16: 31
        Quote: Rider
        I advise you to read http://oko-planet.su/fail/failvideo/videopolitik/187415-kak-bandity-iz-cru-delay
        ut-revolyuciyu-v-sirii-avtorskiy-film.html note that 2 of 3 videos have already been deleted.

        There is not yet everywhere removed, here is the link (A very interesting dock movie):
        http://picets.livejournal.com/195714.html
        1. 0
          24 August 2013 16: 42
          Quote: DEfindER
          http://picets.livejournal.com/195714.html


          and you can specify another source?
          otherwise, in our KZ, the Zheshka does not open.
          1. ICT
            0
            24 August 2013 19: 08
            try through such crap, it should open

            http://anonymouse.org/anonwww_de.html
        2. 0
          24 August 2013 16: 59
          Thanks for the link.
        3. 0
          24 August 2013 17: 23
          Quote: DEfindER
          (Very interesting dock movie):

          Thanks for the link. I looked. But Iblises are serpent-speaking, liars x ..... oh! A sentence to them is one on a birch. Oh yes! In Syria, birches do not grow ... Then, on a palm tree.
      2. 0
        24 August 2013 18: 23
        This video link has been deleted.
        1. 0
          24 August 2013 18: 55
          Once again, I was convinced who is in charge of different "YouTube".
          On command, all reliable information is deleted.
          1. +1
            25 August 2013 15: 41
            Quote: Ulysses
            Once again, I was convinced who is in charge of different "YouTube".
            On command, all reliable information is deleted.


            If you sometimes listen to the news, you should be aware of how much Google and Yahu received from the CIA and the State Department.
  7. +4
    24 August 2013 08: 57
    from the Don.
    August! Last month of summer. And how many events this month: Builder’s Day, US Coast Guard, Ukraine’s apiary, Airborne Forces! By the way, today is Ukraine’s Independence Day! And everything else that happened this month is a coincidence!
    1. +6
      24 August 2013 10: 39
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ! By the way, today is Ukraine’s Independence Day!

      Fun party" laughing
      1. Indigo
        +11
        24 August 2013 11: 05
        Somehow 12 million people living in Ukraine were blown away into the unknown. Devastation and hopelessness. Sadly, but naturally ...
    2. 0
      25 August 2013 00: 25
      Thank you very much for the Builder's Day! Not the theme of the site, but ...
      1. +1
        25 August 2013 15: 46
        Quote: Akhtuba73
        Thank you very much for the Builder's Day! Not the theme of the site, but ...


        How is that?
        And those warriors-animals who do not give out weapons other than shovels according to yours when they celebrate their day ?!
  8. +20
    24 August 2013 08: 59
    Yes, Syria did not use chemical weapons!

    Assad is not a suicide!

    Let me give you an example, it may not be very good: Hitler and the Nazis did not use chemical weapons for military purposes. They were afraid of a retaliatory strike.

    And here, by the way, those who shout the most about chemical weapons in Syria dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities and poisoned Vietnamese with pesticides.
    1. +9
      24 August 2013 12: 08
      And in Iraq, depleted uranium shells were used.
      1. +4
        24 August 2013 13: 03

        Enot-poloskun
        And here, by the way, those who shout the most about chemical weapons in Syria dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities and poisoned Vietnamese with pesticides.
        Quote: ivshubarin
        And in Iraq, depleted uranium shells were used.



        Well, they can.

        it is the same DEMOCRACY.
  9. GREAT RUSSIA
    +17
    24 August 2013 09: 16
    You still forgot to say that these people are mocking the civilian population in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they shoot at civilians in the same countries, monitor the Internet for half the world's population, violate half of their own constitution, violate international laws, encroach on private, personal life and infringe on human rights. They still dare to talk about democracy and are trying to force their Sodomite laws into other peacefully living countries, bringing strife, death and violence there. am
    1. +15
      24 August 2013 15: 26
      They still dare to talk about democracy and are trying to force their Sodomite laws into other peacefully living countries, bringing strife, death and violence there.

      I constantly make sure that those countries that are the most distant from democracy are those who shout about it most of all, a geyropa, and sysh. Recently in the news they said that in Germany they put in prison the father of a girl who did not come to a sex education class, because they were disgusting to her. Yes, it would seem wild even for the Nazis in their most repressive period .. And is it their democracy? Yes, I would be better off in Zimbabwe if only I could not live in such a democracy.
      And by the way, the truth about that chemical attack in Syria:
      1. +6
        24 August 2013 18: 17
        Definder +++
        The Syrian army is wetting Amer’s rats, well, glory to Allah. Our Marat Musin is beautiful, honor and praise be to him.
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          +2
          24 August 2013 18: 39
          Quote: Sandov
          The Syrian army is wetting Amer’s rats, well, glory to Allah. Our Marat Musin is beautiful, honor and praise be to him.

          I fully agree with you and Definder bold plus
      2. Che
        Che
        +3
        25 August 2013 08: 53
        Definder.

        How would it convey to such as a professor. Man does not want to see the truth, sorry. Now the main thing is not to allow the Natofascists to destroy the people of Syria.
  10. solomon
    +14
    24 August 2013 09: 16
    The "democratizers" have not yet abandoned the usual scenario. Actions continue. Russia has already made big adjustments to this scenario. If only not half way ...
    The chain of "revolutions" must be cut off !!!
  11. +16
    24 August 2013 09: 18
    The scenario is the same and the characters are the same! But the expected result will not be gentlemen provocateurs, enough to eat up to the very roof. It's time to cool off hot heads by supplying the S-300 to Syria, the desire to bomb will immediately disappear! As the "outstanding" expert of the Russian language VS Chernomyrdin said: "... if your hands itch, scratch it elsewhere!"
  12. GREAT RUSSIA
    +2
    24 August 2013 09: 37
    Who put so many minuses?
    1. +7
      24 August 2013 09: 45
      Some Neksel from Israel. It can be seen that you, comrades, are not in good condition!)))
      1. +13
        24 August 2013 10: 09
        Quote: nokki
        Some Neksel from Israel. It can be seen that you, comrades, are not in good condition!)))

        The Jews really want to receive the support of Russia in the Middle East, contrary to common sense.
        They even created a special division of Judotrolls in the network to promote their Russophobic interests, but they still have no success.
        Velmas are dumb, dumb, and ignorant. Only minor tricks they succeed.
        1. +4
          24 August 2013 10: 41
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Only minor tricks they succeed.

          Only financial, then windbreak
        2. -5
          25 August 2013 12: 32
          Quote: Corsair5912
          The Jews really want to receive the support of Russia in the Middle East, contrary to common sense. They even created a special division of Judotrolls on the network to promote their Russophobic interests.


          And in what healthy mind such ideas can be born?
          you yourself are not funny then? (rhetorical)
      2. +9
        24 August 2013 10: 40
        Quote: nokki
        Some Neksel from Israel

        He loves the United States and does not love those who do not like the lies of the United States.
        1. -4
          25 August 2013 12: 23
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: nokki
          Some Neksel from Israel

          He loves the United States and does not love those who do not like the lies of the United States.


          does not love those who love lies.
      3. -6
        25 August 2013 12: 35
        Quote: nokki
        It’s evident that you are not comrades


        No, there are just no problems with "Comrades", the personality has nothing to do with it. but with some ideas and statements - yes.
        Well, for this and the cons, everyone has the right to their opinion.
  13. +8
    24 August 2013 09: 40
    Today, Fabius and Davutoglu pass in front of an unknown examiner the very same “democracy test”. And who is the examiner? Isn't that the most faceless force that directed aggressions, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... Her name is the capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to count the number of stars in the sky.

    There are no crimes that the capitalist will not commit for the sake of profit.
    Why are the Yankees and Euros killing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and other countries and spending huge amounts of money on the production of weapons and the maintenance of armies?
    For the sake of mastering the world's energy reserves, so that all this fat bunch of fagots, drug addicts, alcoholics, idiots and psychos in "civilized" countries keep their fat asses in comfort, ride them in cars and enrich the capitalist traders with gasoline and weapons.
  14. +11
    24 August 2013 09: 48
    Or maybe the time has come to really use any weapon, including chemical, to cleanse Syria from garbage sent here to the United States and its NATO puppets.
    Western media are somehow dependent and will not stop with all this propaganda.
    Isn't it time to lead them in the chains of several imprisoned "fighters for democracy" and stand trial in Moscow? There is ample evidence for crimes against humanity.
    In addition, cannibalism, as far as I know, is considered a crime all over the world.
    1. +9
      24 August 2013 13: 30
      Quote: Zhylaw
      In addition, cannibalism, as far as I know, is considered a crime all over the world.


      Your information is out of date.

      "death of a million children, a sufficient price for the establishment of democracy" M. Albright US Secretary of State
      (quote not verbatim)

      and now the fun part.
      TRY TO FIND ONLINE ORIGINAL of this statement.
      IT IS NOT, only references to references in different articles.
      you can also search for her statements about "Siberia should belong to all mankind" (by "all mankind" means of course the USA)

      Does anyone else doubt the information war?
      1. -6
        25 August 2013 12: 40
        Quote: Rider
        and now the most interesting. TRY TO FIND ONLINE THE ORIGINAL OF THIS APPLICATION. IT IS NOT


        Yeah. not. Maybe because this has never been expressed, but it was invented specifically for uryapatriotic publications.
        1. +3
          25 August 2013 15: 32
          Quote: Neksel
          Yeah. not. Maybe because it’s never been expressed and invented.



          Yes, yes, we are aware of this FSE fiction Anglo-Zionist and other phobes.

          you also try to find the phrase M. Thatcher about the fact that in Russia is ENOUGH 15 MILLION POPULATIONS

          did she even say this?
          1. 0
            26 August 2013 11: 26
            Quote: Rider
            you also try to find the phrase M. Thatcher about the fact that in Russia there are Enough 15 MILLION POPULATION is it really that she pronounced?


            I don’t know about this. Maybe I didn’t.
            IMHO, it is wiser to follow the principle of "Occam's Razor",
            than to think up complicated conspiracy mechanisms and conspiracies.
    2. +5
      24 August 2013 17: 17
      if you believe that the chemical weapons are not used by Assad, and around this duck an unimaginable sensation has already been raised, do you know what will happen to Syria and Assad if he uses chemical weapons? After that even Russia will not be able to save him. They will destroy the whole country with the earth! ! fool
  15. +9
    24 August 2013 09: 51
    NATO has already prepared for operations from sea and land. The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased. They may not directly work on the territory, but they will hold them with missile volleys. And the world community will swallow the campaign again ...
    1. +2
      24 August 2013 10: 44
      Quote: Zomanus
      The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased.

      I recall an article about how the appearance in the Mediterranean Sea caused the entire 6 US fleet to be dumped and komenty like Amera pissed, URAAA. So you sit on the light and think, XM request
    2. +1
      24 August 2013 23: 19
      it will be enough to start rocket attacks with tomahawks from ships. Moreover, from a very decent distance so that the RCC does not reach
      1. 0
        25 August 2013 21: 13
        it will be enough to start rocket attacks with tomahawks from ships. Moreover, from a very decent distance so that the RCC does not reach

        For some reason, the feeling does not leave that the Syrians will not even be able to use the Bastion PBRK at their disposal. And if they roll out into position, they will not be able to cover it from possible defeat. I am now omitting the characteristics of the range of this complex, but at least it would help to move the ships to a farther distance from the coastline, which would limit the ability to deliver strikes with the help of naval aviation.
    3. Che
      Che
      0
      25 August 2013 08: 59
      And ours will do what? Watch how the Nazis destroy the people of Syria. Customize your fleet, and not let them tear the country to pieces.
      1. -1
        25 August 2013 15: 39
        fool I wrote that Syria is not worth starting the third world because of it
        1. Che
          Che
          0
          25 August 2013 17: 55
          Quote: lonely
          fool I wrote that Syria is not worth starting the third world because of it

          It turns out that Amers should start the 3rd World War. How to stop her and save the people of Syria from destruction. As in the countries of the Maghreb and Yugoslavia.
          1. 0
            25 August 2013 22: 13
            what is the third world? after 2mv there were dozens of conflicts that were much wider in scope than the Syrian conflict. even then both countries were engaged only in actively helping the warring parties. one participation of Soviet pilots in the Korean conflict would be enough to start this whole kirdyk to the world, but even then they didn’t do it. do you think it will do it after all Syria is already in ruins?
  16. GREAT RUSSIA
    +13
    24 August 2013 09: 56
    Believe me, if all representatives of different peoples and religions, people living in this great country, together try to return to that former greatness, then Russia will easily surpass the USSR, and these amer geyropos understand this and therefore poke us here and this fifth column and these liberals we and our country the only force capable of stopping all this arbitrariness in this world. These Westerners did not have long to live in their Sodomite world one day, we will take them down soldier
  17. +12
    24 August 2013 09: 57
    gallic rooster


    ... Galician Five crows crowed? The specimen is spotty-rainbow-lurid ...

    Well, well, apparently it's time for Ivanushka to wake up on the stove ...
    knead the body, try on a cudgel ...
    Put on a clean shirt, like our ancestors before righteous deeds
    There will be a battle like ...
  18. zol1
    +7
    24 August 2013 10: 12
    Only the destruction of the United States, as a militant empire, will give the world a sigh and quietly develop! I think it’s not necessary, especially at the present stage to prove that America is an EVIL threatening humanity!
    1. +4
      24 August 2013 14: 40
      Moreover, evil is universal in scope. And (what a coincidence) evil is black. Everything is written right. Dark forces .... and the black devil. Barack - this is the Antichrist!
  19. GREAT RUSSIA
    +4
    24 August 2013 10: 15
    Quote: Zomanus
    NATO has already prepared for operations from sea and land. The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased. They may not directly work on the territory, but they will hold them with missile volleys. And the world community will swallow the campaign again ...

    Let them get ready, let this garbage called the world community stall, we will not give Syria without a fight anyway, they will have to learn the taste of our S-300s and our power and the taste of our bayonets soldier
  20. Ruslan_F38
    +6
    24 August 2013 10: 22
    "The US is preparing for a possible military intervention in Syria. According to media reports, the Pentagon will present its plans to President Obama in the coming days.

    Following reports of the alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria, the United States began preparations for a possible military intervention. As reported on Saturday, August 24, the dpa agency, the military are updating their plans. "Currently, the list of targets on which air strikes can be carried out is being specified and updated," a senior US Department of Defense official told CNN. According to him, the use of cruise missiles is not excluded. The US military presence in the Mediterranean is also strengthening. Another destroyer will join the warships located there. "- DW

    American, Israeli and other ki will not give up, apparently there will be a war. This provocation will not work, they will "make" another one. Now everything depends only on Russia and China, only these two countries can stop the alliance of "evil".
    1. -16
      24 August 2013 13: 36
      Ну Russia it won’t stop, that's for sure ...
      China implements the policy of transnational corporations ...
      We have the Minister of Defense wears Masson medal on a lace(so that it is "attached")) and it is He "betrayed" his country back in 199 ... year ...
      and what is there, Syria ... games and escalation of hysteria ...
      Vladimir Vladimirovich needs to worry about his own security ...
      FSOshnik on "muzzles have already slapped" in Africa blacks)))
      in October ....


      The "Levites" transferred all production to China, from all over the world, maybe someone thinks that the comrades from the CCP are pursuing a "policy" in the interests of their yellow people)))
      There is a game, nationalities and states in it are exchangeable pawns ....
      How can a production story in Hollywood affect the fate of the people of SYRIA. ??
      It turns out that when everyone plays their Roles ...
      the "bad" ones play well their own, even though they will be killed in October anyway)))
      "good" ones play badly .... but who cares about THIS ....
      Peoples chew "ORBIT" gum))))

      It can stop Commander of the Russian Ship with Nuclear Charges and smart electronics on board to bypass the "protection" of launch control ...
      The main thing is that Someone should play by their own "rules" ...
      Then there is a chance to change something in OCTOBER))))))
      1. +2
        24 August 2013 15: 10
        I do not understand why this video what
        1. +3
          24 August 2013 18: 23
          I don’t know what this video is for, but the presenter looks a lot like EBN.
        2. +6
          24 August 2013 22: 36
          the mine leader got drunk with surrogate vodka of a large amount)))))))))) wassat
  21. +2
    24 August 2013 10: 36
    And who is the examiner?
    Is it not that faceless force that directed aggression, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... her name is
    capital,
    ruling ball and killing so many people that it’s impossible to count, just as it is impossible to calculate the number of stars in the sky.


    The cause of all wars is the desire of Capital, and everything else is justification.

    We are mistaken when we believe that if we deal with the causes, we can influence the cause.
    There the opposition in Syria used chemical weapons, and the West still need, preparation for war continues at full speed. It turns out that chemical weapons are not a reason, but just an excuse for starting a war.

    We are also mistaken because it is so arranged:
    We think one thing
    we say - different,
    and we do - the third ...

    The irrepressible desire to eat, eat and eat again. The desire to Eat everything and everything from a certain, limited by mind and conscience, a limited number of subjects, which people can be called people, for the above reasons, the language does not turn.
    By the way, in common parlance, the above subjects for some reason are called "capital".
  22. +5
    24 August 2013 10: 56
    The question is different, after the specific successes of the Syrian army, silence again sets in ... Our media (namely ours) talked about the fact that the war is already over, it remains to finish off the border regions, and now a new round is beginning that makes all the mess go on (again, battles near Damascus). ... The question is when will the war really be over? Only after the intervention of one of the superpowers or a bunch of allied states. And the stuffing is already beginning that the Israeli and American special forces are participating in Syria, etc. etc. And what will Russia do when Sochi begins? (less than half a year is left before the Olympics) Drain Syria? Without concrete action in the next six months it will be so.
  23. +5
    24 August 2013 11: 02
    Her name is capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to calculate the number of stars in the sky.
    Thirst for profit at all costs .. As aptly noted .. !!! I remember dreaming of being a flight designer then .. Trash driver .. Now it's another time .. First, young businessmen wanted to become officials now .. Someone is a martyr .. In short, blood is deceiving .. (at any cost) it is being grinded to us (our children) around the clock. . !! Take everything from life ... (and don’t think about anything))) they’ve probably already thought of you .. It's scary to watch it all .. (((Now the wave went LGBT is something unimaginable .. What’s going on in the world how to protect our children from this .. ?? How can they explain ?? Will have to fight .. I don’t see another way .. (I’m more and more convinced of this ..) soldier
  24. wax
    +3
    24 August 2013 11: 03
    In the XVI — XVII centuries. 6 million people arrived in America, of which 60% were slaves. Black slaves who worked on plantations of tobacco, rice, and indigo were imported from Africa. Under the law, slaves did not have any rights and property. Although the southern colonies were the most profitable per capita (including slaves), all income went to their master.

    In 1830, the United States passed a law on the resettlement of Indians. The administration of President A. Jackson expelled from the states of Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida their indigenous inhabitants - teal, Choctaw, Chicago, screams and seminolos.

    http://www.usinfo.ru/c4.files/1917russiagallery.htm
    American occupiers in Russia, 1918

    The US is nostalgic for the past, now with weapons of mass destruction.

    Fate in the future is determined by the past. Evil must be destroyed, otherwise our future can be clearly read in past tablets.
  25. GREAT RUSSIA
    +2
    24 August 2013 11: 05
    I think the war has not ended yet, it has only begun despite the fact that there is a split in the ranks of the Syrian opposition and the geyropos are not idle if they attack Syria, Assad’s armies will not last long without our help
  26. ed65b
    +5
    24 August 2013 11: 24
    Right now, Abamushka spite Putin, hit Syria, in revenge for the so-called Snowden. Dog.
    1. +2
      24 August 2013 11: 33
      The hammer will break. If now part of the close-sighted Sunnis against Assad, then in case of intervention they will all be on the side of Syria. We need to throw more beeches, arrows and needles into Iran, so that the NATO would not think enough. It’s also nice to throw dots. Officially, Assad has them.
  27. wax
    +2
    24 August 2013 11: 26
    http://www.usinfo.ru/c4.files/1917russiagallery.htm
    The Yankees, along with the Japanese, “served” the concentration camp and radio station set up there on the Russian island that was created in those years. Those tortured in the camp were drowned next to the island separately and by whole barges, tying their hands with barbed wire.

    There is evidence that after the intervention left, one of the divers, working at the flooded facilities near the Russian island, came across one of these barges, inside which "stood like living, connected people." Shocked by what he saw, the diver went crazy ...
  28. +3
    24 August 2013 11: 39
    In general, in the event of aggression, NATO should create a fund for paying for corpses and disabled equipment of aggressors through Iran. Then Wahi and motley freemans will beat the NATO team for loot.
  29. +2
    24 August 2013 12: 25
    Provocation, the essence of the system of Anglo-Saxon foreign policy.
    From the Middle Ages to the present.
    A star-striped beast roars, jackals howl.
  30. +3
    24 August 2013 12: 39
    As they say, a good American is a dead American
  31. +9
    24 August 2013 12: 50
    Apparently, we will fight soon. I decided to enroll in a rocking chair, you never know come in handy, then I have a draft age.
    1. +2
      24 August 2013 13: 20
      To the rocking chair ?! Hmmm, will you drag the AGS?
      1. +5
        24 August 2013 13: 43
        I do not know . What they will give and I will carry, if only not sandbags and cement.
  32. +1
    24 August 2013 13: 26
    Not without war they must strangle purely morally .. The truth is on our side .. !!
    1. +11
      24 August 2013 14: 05
      And not only the truth. winked
      1. +1
        24 August 2013 15: 13
        Neighing from the heart laughing thank you
  33. +4
    24 August 2013 13: 44
    By all means and means it is necessary to help Syria and to restrain the presumptuous Euroschists, to put them in their place. If this is not done, the penniless price of the entire company for the protection of Russian interests in this country and its legitimate government, which we have witnessed all the last months. Now, it seems, the moment of truth should come: with whom and whose interests are the ruling circles of the Russian Federation expressing and defending.
  34. +6
    24 August 2013 13: 55
    The Truth About East Ghouta Operation and Information Throwing (ANNA)

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  36. +1
    24 August 2013 14: 08
    This is the truth, the Americans are trying to keep their investment in terrorism ...
    1. 0
      24 August 2013 18: 48
      Quote: Xroft
      This is the truth, the Americans are trying to keep their investments in terrorism ...

      Yeah, and the Professor says - for nothing...
      Although everyone knows that:
      - For free ???
      - Behind the barn !!!
      wassat
  37. petr.lisovskiy
    +4
    24 August 2013 14: 38
    Elena Gromova, you are smart!
  38. +2
    24 August 2013 14: 42
    The West is cornered, to admit that they were wrong not in their rules, so you can expect anything from them. Go for the heads
  39. +7
    24 August 2013 15: 18
    Good Anglo-Saxon Dead Anglo-Saxon
  40. +1
    24 August 2013 15: 32
    Quote: bot.su
    Quote: professor
    If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

    May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China anyway, and now even more so, the Egyptians' tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

    Quote: professor
    Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

    What are you! Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation? I now think that this was a terrorist initiative prompted from the Washington Regional Committee.

    Quote: professor
    The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.

    What does the hats have to do with it? The main difficulty of the conflict with Russia for the United States is that we may eventually start throwing the "caps" produced by the Votkinsk plant. Therefore, one ship is enough to make you think about the consequences. And let them develop plans for themselves, the paper will endure everything.

    Quote: professor
    Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

    So no one argues. If terrorists and the United States are interested in using chemical weapons in Syria, then they should not have problems with this. Some provided, others applied, all dumped on Assad. And then cannibals, as luck would have it, are not in the ranks of the government army ...
    By the way, according to recent reports, government troops seized chemical weapons in an underground tunnel, which was recaptured from the Basmachi. So 1: 1.
  41. GREAT RUSSIA
    +2
    24 August 2013 15: 35
    the west wants to capture Syria and then put its puppet government there, then Qatar will begin the construction of a gas pipeline that will pass through the Persian Gulf, Iraq, Israel, Syria and Turkey, and then this gas will go to Europe and will begin to be in great demand, as it will be sold at a low price and thereby bring down the RUSSIAN gas market leaving our country with nothing, the Kremlin understands this well and will therefore defend Syria to the end.
    1. -16
      24 August 2013 15: 42
      The pipeline can be built without Syria and Turkey. From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are within easy reach.
      The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.
      1. +5
        24 August 2013 16: 07
        Quote: professor
        The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.


        Oh my god, prof!
        Well, you see, an intelligent person, well, where did you get such tricks.

        Here are the latest news that I found about Polish shale gas:The state-owned oil company Lotos no longer intends to extract blue fuel from the seams. This is written by the Polish media

        Earlier, foreign corporations ExxonMobil, Talisman and Marathon Oil abandoned plans for exploration and production of shale gas in Poland.

        taken:http://newvesti.info/polsha-otkazalas-ot-razrabotki-slancevogo-gaza/

        and:The Polish state-owned company Lotos and Talisman Energy and Marathon Oil, USA, are forced to abandon a large-scale shale gas production project in Poland. Representatives of Marathon Oil called this project “unsuccessful”; commercial stocks of alternative fuel in Poland were never found.

        Читайте дальше: http://www.pronedra.ru/gas/2013/05/14/dobycha-slancevogo-gaza-v-polshe/#ixzz2ct5
        T6RHv


        however, if you decided to make fun of it, then instead of Poland, you should indicate Ukraine, although drilling continues.
        1. 0
          24 August 2013 18: 27
          Only a suicide will produce shale gas. It will be an eco-catastrophe for that country.
      2. +4
        24 August 2013 18: 51
        Quote: professor
        Russian gas market will bring Poland down shale gas in 2014 year.

        or peas...
        mass production of peas, and then everyone himself, as he can ...
        wassat
      3. -1
        24 August 2013 19: 05
        but sho he is still not built ?! Why is Qatar investing in more expensive LNG terminals and not in a pipe ?! Operating costs on the pipe are less and pumping volumes with the same investments are greater.
        Professor, why do you not drill shale gas and leach out shale ?!
        1. -5
          24 August 2013 19: 19
          Quote: 31231
          Why is Qatar investing in more expensive LNG terminals and not in a pipe ?!

          He didn’t want to share with anyone, and he was going to sell it to Japan and China overseas. Overseas broke off.

          Quote: 31231
          Professor, why do you not drill shale gas and leach out shale ?!

          We have on the shelf very cheap gas well, a lot has been discovered.
          1. +3
            24 August 2013 20: 29
            Quote: professor
            We have on the shelf very cheap gas well, a lot has been discovered.


            I’m just wondering, is it why Israel is preoccupied with the problems of democracy in Syria that the shelf is common?

            right here:http://ilgid.ru/economy/gas.html
            an article about your gas with an interesting map.

            and an interesting phrase slipped It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
            another $ 20 billion;

            (I did not singled out "MORE ON" for a reason, otherwise your brother loves)
            wink
            1. -6
              24 August 2013 20: 41
              Quote: Rider
              I’m just wondering, is it why Israel is preoccupied with the problems of democracy in Syria that the shelf is common?

              You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...
              1. +4
                24 August 2013 20: 45
                Quote: professor
                You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...

                And what then bomb it regularly and your special forces graze there? what Maybe you still want to make your own common shelf? smile
                1. +2
                  24 August 2013 20: 54
                  Quote: bot.su
                  Maybe you still want to make your own common shelf?

                  Yes ? Do we have a sea border with Syria? And a controversial shelf? How about geography? laughing
                  1. +1
                    24 August 2013 21: 04
                    Quote: atalef
                    Yes ? Do we have a sea border with Syria?


                    SW Alexander, I kindly request to follow the link I provided above.
                    it is clearly visible that the field is one on ALL.
                    and as I understand it, there is no Lebanon and Syria, there is no one to divide dividends.
                    1. -1
                      25 August 2013 20: 56
                      Quote: Rider
                      it is clearly visible that the field is one on ALL.
                      and as I understand it, there is no Lebanon and Syria, there is no one to divide dividends.
                      Strange, but I thought that there were clear laws for the separation of the shelf.
                      1. 0
                        25 August 2013 23: 05
                        Quote: atalef
                        Strange, but I thought


                        I also believed that the borders of states are untouchable, and internal disassembly is THEIR internal disassembly.

                        but there is such a nice way to solve foreign policy (and even financial identity) problems, it is called - the last argument of the kings, and simply - WAR.
                        and all contracts and agreements in relation to the loser "will not be worth the paper written on it (c)"

                        I hope SO understand?
                  2. +1
                    24 August 2013 22: 00
                    Quote: atalef
                    How about geography?

                    Oh yes, I forgot about Lebanon! You won’t remember every Benelux! Well, all the more, you will be given the will, so you and I will soon have a common shelf in the Pacific.
                    1. -3
                      25 August 2013 20: 58
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Well, all the more, you will be given the will to do so, so you and I will soon have a common shelf in the Pacific.

                      Well, of course, only Russia for Syria because of the love of world justice.
                2. -6
                  24 August 2013 21: 06
                  Quote: bot.su
                  And what then bomb it regularly and your special forces graze there?

                  It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah. About the special forces in general laughter. laughing
                  1. +5
                    24 August 2013 21: 57
                    Exactly professor, your miracle drone on the boxes with weapons made out the inscription in Arabic "for Hizbala" and for control they took a dozen languages ​​of the military personnel in the SAA.
                    Why didn’t our iPhone bomb the Judea when we reported on the contents of Georgian trophies and testimonies of prisoners?
              2. 0
                24 August 2013 20: 54
                Quote: professor
                You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...


                Well, how can I tell you, judging by the numerous bombings and the support of the "rebels", it is far from monopolytereopolymer.

                recently surfaced on the open spaces of tyrnet:An Internet page owned by the Syrian National Opposition Council has published an appeal to militants operating in northern Syria, with a number of instructions and requirements that are not of particular interest. Interesting is where this appeal came from.

                The page clearly states: about a minute ago near Haifa Israel (about a minute ago, near Haifa, Israel). A moment later the message address has been changed to Istanbul Turkey, however, this insignificant time was enough for the Lebanese site Al-Hadas News to fix this fact.

                http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/203746-na-vore-ermolka-gorit.html
                1. -3
                  24 August 2013 21: 13
                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, how can I tell you, judging by the numerous bombings and the support of the "rebels", it is far from monopolytereopolymer.

                  Do not fantasize about supporting the rebels.

                  Quote: Rider
                  about a minute ago, near Haifa, Israel

                  heard about the proxy server? (pay attention to my flag wink )
                  1. +1
                    24 August 2013 21: 22
                    Quote: professor
                    Do not fantasize about supporting the rebels.


                    Well, yes, but probably bombed Puerto Rico.

                    Quote: professor
                    heard about the proxy server? (pay attention to my flag

                    deftly you, we will assume that it was so.
                    1. -4
                      24 August 2013 21: 29
                      Quote: Rider
                      Well, yes, but probably bombed Puerto Rico.

                      6th fleet of the USA, Turkish Air Force, Britons from its territory on the island of Cyprus ...
                      1. +1
                        24 August 2013 21: 31
                        Quote: professor
                        6th fleet of the USA, Turkish Air Force, Britons from its territory on the island of Cyprus ...


                        and the last time the Martians tried.
                      2. -3
                        24 August 2013 21: 35
                        Quote: Rider
                        and the last time the Martians tried.

                        Docs in the studio or we will discuss OBS.
                      3. 0
                        24 August 2013 21: 41
                        Quote: professor
                        Docs in the studio or we will discuss OBS.


                        excuse me, but didn’t Israel bomb Syria a couple of months ago?
                        do you justify this by destroying weapons for Hamas (or Hezbola)?
                        that's just about weapons for "Israel's best friends" this is just the OBS, and the bombing is a FACT.
                      4. -3
                        24 August 2013 21: 45
                        Quote: Rider
                        excuse me, but didn’t Israel bomb Syria a couple of months ago?

                        Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.
                      5. +1
                        24 August 2013 21: 53
                        Quote: professor
                        Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.

                        So they themselves kind of recognized that your Netanyahu flew to Putin for a showdown, and he told him a joke:
                        A bear, a wolf and a fox sat down to play cards, the bear says - and whoever cheats, will follow the impudent red face! smile
                      6. -1
                        24 August 2013 21: 58
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Your Netanyahu flew to Putin for a showdown, and he told him a joke:
                        A bear and a wolf and a fox sat down to play cards, the bear said, “And whoever cheats, that’s in the impudent red face

                        To cheat? This is probably why the paid S-300 can’t get to Syria laughing
                      7. +1
                        24 August 2013 22: 03
                        Quote: atalef
                        To cheat? This is probably why the paid S-300 can’t get to Syria

                        Who says they are paid? Did you drink the money?
                        Yes, and the cargo ship with American aid to the Syrian rebels broke in the ocean? laughing
                      8. +1
                        24 August 2013 21: 59
                        Quote: professor
                        Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.


                        http://top.rbc.ru/politics/31/01/2013/842945.shtml

                        http://news.israelinfo.ru/politics/46707


                        but you probably need confirmation from the Israel Defense Forces?
                        but how then to understand YOUR same phrase from 21: 06
                        It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah.
                      9. -1
                        24 August 2013 22: 11
                        CNN News Agency citing three unnamed sources3? I am about evidence, not OBS. Any evidence?

                        Syrian authorities accused Israel of bombing a research center located near Damascus. The news was circulated through its channels by the government news agency SANA. Syrian authorities brought evidence?

                        Quote: Rider
                        but how then to understand YOUR same phrase from 21: 06
                        It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah.

                        Emphasis on the word "speak", no evidence.
                      10. 0
                        24 August 2013 22: 20
                        Quote: professor
                        Any evidence?


                        Like not a thief caught?

                        understandably, we will consider that these were flying saucers.
                        probably they sided with Israel.
                      11. 0
                        24 August 2013 22: 23
                        Quote: Rider
                        understandably, we will consider that these were flying saucers.
                        probably they sided with Israel.

                        Or is it the Kazakh Air Force bombed? wink
                      12. 0
                        24 August 2013 22: 32
                        Quote: professor
                        Or is it the Kazakh Air Force bombed?


                        Well, for sure!
                        here all the news agencies say - Israel, but the prof does not believe.
                        it turns out, either flying saucers, or the Air Force of Trapezundia
                      13. +2
                        24 August 2013 22: 24
                        you know Alexander, the remnants of the missiles that were used during the air strike could be material evidence. And I also wonder why the Syrian authorities did not attach any importance to this. Having examined the place, you could find at least some fragments
                      14. -1
                        24 August 2013 22: 35
                        Quote: lonely
                        material evidence could be the remnants of missiles that were used in an air strike


                        But how much remains after a powerful explosion?
                        besides, much depends on the type of explosives.
                        shanks from mines had to be seen, and the starting charges for the RPGs also remained intact.
                        but that’s what remains of the aircraft missiles - not in the know, not a specialist.
                      15. +2
                        24 August 2013 22: 41
                        something should remain, at least traces of explosives.
                      16. -1
                        24 August 2013 22: 55
                        Quote: lonely
                        something should remain, at least traces of explosives.


                        and what is written on them "i-TNT, made in Israel"?
                        of course, something remains, but is it possible to identify and SPECIFY attach the aggressor to the country.
                      17. +2
                        24 August 2013 22: 58
                        There are different laboratories that can answer many questions.
                      18. 0
                        24 August 2013 23: 50
                        Quote: lonely
                        there are different laboratories


                        certainly there is, but let me remind you that the missiles did not explode in the wasteland, but in the weapons depot, can you imagine what chaos was happening there?
                        And what a blast power was. and completely unknown. when everything detonated there.
                      19. -2
                        25 August 2013 08: 23
                        Quote: Rider
                        of course, something remains, but is it possible to identify and SPECIFY attach the aggressor to the country.

                        Strange, here the Israelis always identify the remains:



                        Quote: Rider
                        certainly there is, but let me remind you that the missiles did not explode in the wasteland, but in the weapons depot, can you imagine what chaos was happening there?

                        And those that rushed out of stock? Say for air defense systems. Where are the evidence?
                      20. +2
                        25 August 2013 10: 23
                        Quote: professor
                        Strange, here the Israelis always identify the remains:


                        sorry prof. but your photos are not an argument.
                        you are trying to pull an owl on a globe, comparing the IED made on the knee, or the rocket (judging by the pipe with the explosives) that the spirits shoot at you.
                        and a high-tech missile (bomb) SPECIALLY prepared to strike "into the dark"
                        Do you want me to bring a photo of an armored vehicle torn on a land mine?
                        there is not that from the BB, there is little left of the tank.
                        believe me, I saw.

                        http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/969/upot737.jpg

                        besides, you do not allow the idea that, by agreement of the parties, these blows could have been silenced?
                        Toto your and American prime minister to Putin often.
                      21. 0
                        25 August 2013 10: 38
                        Quote: Rider
                        you are trying to pull an owl on a globe, comparing the IED made on the knee, or the rocket (judging by the pipe with the explosives) that the spirits shoot at you.

                        Of course, if the rocket is made of cardboard completely burned by the explosion, then of course you are right, but in reality, everything is not so. Here you have the remains of a modern rocket not made on his knee.


                        Quote: Rider
                        besides, you do not allow the idea that, by agreement of the parties, these blows could have been silenced?

                        The coordination of the parties is Jerusalem agreed with Damascus that Israel will fucking in Syria, it will shout, but will not provide evidence? wassat
                      22. +2
                        25 August 2013 10: 49
                        Quote: professor
                        Here you have the remains of a modern rocket not made on his knee.


                        So what is this ?
                        mouthpieces from gas masks?

                        where is the explanation that this is a rocket. whose production, in what conditions the explosion is an explosion.
                        expert opinion.
                        let's prof. you like to ask for evidence.
                        So take the trouble to confirm your words.

                        and the consent of the parties is your prime minister’s visit to Moscow, where he was begging Putin to refuse to supply C 300 Damascus, in exchange for Israel’s non-participation in the conflict.
                        from that they decided not to make noise, so as not to wind up the overheated situation.
                      23. 0
                        25 August 2013 11: 02
                        Quote: Rider
                        where is the explanation that this is a rocket. whose production, in what conditions the explosion is an explosion.

                        Of course you can reach the point of absurdity, but especially for you:
                        The photograph shows parts of the Tomahawk engine made by the representative of the UN mission Yannick Lemieux at 15 ° 38′N 32 ° 32′E at the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan on October 15, 2005. He, as an authorized military expert, identified the wreckage as part of the Tomahawk KR engine. The factory was attacked by three Kyrgyz Republics in August 1998 launched from the Indian Ocean in response to attacks by American embassies in East Africa.


                        I expect about this report from the Syrian authorities, and better from UN inspectors.
                      24. +1
                        25 August 2013 11: 14
                        Quote: professor
                        but especially for you:


                        you'd better provide a reference.

                        and we take a google search, and we find out that rockets like Tomahawk are in service not only with the USA army, but also with England.
                        so maybe this old woman tried?

                        besides, I said why such FACTS could be NOT provided.

                        and also (pinned me) that in response to attacks on the embassies, the building of the PHARMACEUTICAL FACTORY was destroyed.

                        although of course yeah, there surely sat the evil mujiks.
                        that's really it.
                        in response to the attacks carried out by unknown people, the United States decided to bomb anyone.
                      25. +2
                        25 August 2013 11: 30
                        Quote: Rider
                        you'd better provide a reference.

                        http://ptaff.ca/al-shifa/?lang=en_CA

                        Now I'm waiting for a report from Syria.
                      26. +2
                        25 August 2013 15: 46
                        )) have to wait forever)) what
                      27. 0
                        25 August 2013 15: 55
                        Quote: lonely
                        )) have to wait forever))


                        you are ironic in vain.
                        Israel is very reluctant to admit to its military actions, in 2007 they also denied that they bombed Syria

                        http://www.russian.rfi.fr/v-mire/20130131-vlasti-izrailya-ne-kommentiruyut-bomba
                        rdirovku-na-granitse-sirii
                      28. 0
                        25 August 2013 16: 17
                        Quote: Rider
                        Israel is very reluctant to admit to its military actions, in 2007 they also denied that they bombed Syria

                        Something I did not catch where in your link the recognition of Israel?
                        "Israel does not confirm and does not refute this information because of a security issue, ”said adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, MP Tsahi Hanegbi.
                      29. +2
                        25 August 2013 16: 25
                        I’m not ironic. I am stating a fact. It’s one thing to shake the air with screams of Israeli attacks without any evidence, but you conduct a competent investigation, collect evidence and materials, and then put it on the table as incontrovertible evidence and gain recognition. unfortunately, the Syrian authorities have not provided any facts. You know Alexander, unlike some members of the forum, I try to approach the Syrian problem with logic, and not with a bang of patriotism.
                      30. 0
                        25 August 2013 17: 21
                        Quote: lonely
                        I am not ironic. I am stating a fact.


                        think with your head, ALL THE WORLD MEDIA SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER OF HANDS OF ISRAEL, but a professor appears and denies everything.
                        China makes statements Russia, even Saudi Arabia asks the Security Council to point Israel to the inadmissibility of attacks.
                        but Tzahal did not recognize
                        bombing and truncation.
                        okay prof, he’s stubborn, although he gives references that are far from ideal,
                        but you think WHO else could do it? AND MAIN WHY?
                        they are not just bomb strikes, they encrypt the visits of their governments, search the net for "Netanyahu's visit to Moscow" everything that you find is INDIRECT ACKNOWLEDGMENT.
                        there are no allegations that he met with Putin on that date.
                        Well, about 2007
                        tape.ru will suit you as a source?

                        http://lenta.ru/news/2007/09/20/raid/
                      31. +1
                        25 August 2013 17: 32
                        you know, it’s referred to the media, it’s the same thing that it is referred to one grandmother who said. Attack on the base is a serious fact. And we need serious evidence. And there are a lot of counter-arguments for simple words. Do you want me to announce one of the options? the Wahhabis could also attack the base. They destroyed everything and left. And the army command could concoct a report on the Israeli air force attack to conceal the fact of the militants' attack.
                        this is also not a fact. but when there is a war in the country, Israel will be accused without any strong evidence, will say just that))) hi
                      32. 0
                        25 August 2013 17: 49
                        Quote: lonely
                        Do you want me to announce one of the options to you? Wahhabis could also attack the base. They destroyed everything and left


                        They (the Mujiks) did just that, IMMEDIATELY after the attack, and announced this.
                        like a go-ahead.

                        that's just the statements of the Foreign Ministry of many countries, I believe more than perfume.
                        even the UN Secretary General issued a statement, but you (I suppose) will not be sure until PERSONAL ISRAELI PILOTS PRESENT A FLIGHT TASK?

                        UN condemns Israel for blow to Syria
                        http://www.dni.ru/polit/2013/2/1/247452.html
                      33. 0
                        25 August 2013 22: 34
                        One statement is an empty formality. Even the resolution of this organization is not being implemented by anyone. But if there were material evidence, I would love to curse the Israeli military here with you for this blow.
                      34. Che
                        Che
                        +1
                        25 August 2013 18: 20
                        Professor.
                        Amer and Sudan noted. Our shoot has ripened everywhere.
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                  Che
                  0
                  25 August 2013 18: 11
                  [quote = Rider] [quote = professor] You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ... [/ quote]

                  Well, how can I tell you, judging by the numerous bombings and the support of the "rebels", it is far from monopolytereopolymer.

                  wassat

                  But seriously.
                  A mess in the Arab countries, in the hands of Israel does not refute it. Amer as their chain dog will pull troops. If there is no bummer, they can bomb Syria. One hope for Russia. We will be able to defend Syria, the world will be different.
                  1. +1
                    25 August 2013 22: 10
                    Quote: Che
                    A mess in the Arab countries, in the hands of Israel does not refute

                    Nonsense you write. A mess on the border is not beneficial to any normal state. Instead of tourism and economic development, you have to feed the army. Super economic model. The Nobel Prize in Economics is urgent for you.
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                      Che
                      0
                      25 August 2013 23: 05
                      Who then needs it? We do not need, you do not need. Crusaders from overseas need? They are looking for new artifacts on the new coffin.
            2. +3
              24 August 2013 20: 52
              Quote: Rider
              It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
              another $ 20 billion;
              (I did not singled out "MORE ON" for a reason, otherwise your brother loves)

              Don’t throw a link to the source? And then after all, according to the Camp David Treaty, military assistance to Israel, a cent, a cent, is equal to aid to Egypt. tongue With this how?
              1. 0
                24 August 2013 21: 01
                Quote: atalef
                Don’t throw a link to the source?


                Well, finally I brought a reference, if you need the source, then contact the site administration Israel Travel Guide to which I refer.

                Well, according to the Kempdevidskoy agreement, it after all was there, after it you can still throw

                including this:Germany will supply Israel with a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value. The first two submarines the Israelis actually received from Germany as a gift
                Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1682056
                1. 0
                  24 August 2013 21: 07
                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, finally I brought a reference,

                  This is a reference about gas fields. You’ll bring a reference about the increase in military aid, otherwise it’s not solid to lie.

                  Quote: Rider
                  Well, according to the Kempdevidskoy agreement, it after all was there, after it you can still throw

                  ?????????? In general, a contract, if it is not denounced, does not have a statute of limitations, which is generally for babble.

                  Quote: Rider
                  Germany will supply Israel with a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value. The first two submarines the Israelis actually received from Germany as a gift

                  Well ?
                  You wrote about something else.

                  Quote: Rider
                  and an interesting phrase slipped in. It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
                  another $ 20 billion;

                  Where did it flash?

                  Quote: Rider
                  however, this insignificant time was enough for the Lebanese site Al-Hadas News to fix this fact.

                  Lebanese website laughing Thunder there by chance in the vicinity was not laughing
                  1. +1
                    24 August 2013 21: 18
                    Quote: atalef
                    This is a reference about gas fields. You’ll bring a reference about the increase in military aid, otherwise it’s not solid to lie.


                    This is YOUR website, I myself only found out about HELP help from there.
                    so if you don’t trust YOUR SAME site, then these are YOUR problems.
                    but you can doubt anything.

                    Quote: atalef
                    In general, the contract, if it is not denounced, does not have a statute of limitations

                    but you can conclude another, including a secret one, as well as provide assistance through other channels.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Well ?
                    You wrote about something else.


                    Yes, in fact, this is equivalent to helping from the United States, that milking Germany.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Where did it flash?

                    you finally read the link?
                    because I didn’t write about these billions.
                    Quote: atalef
                    Lebanese website

                    Well, what do you want?
                    get videos from YouTube even (links are given above)
                    brush tyrnet, and you all hihanki.
                    1. -1
                      24 August 2013 21: 42
                      Quote: Rider
                      This is YOUR website, I myself only found out about HELP help from there.

                      I tell you about Kuzma, you tell me about Yeryom. Where is that written ? Link or quote pliz.

                      Quote: Rider
                      but you can conclude another, including a secret one,

                      ???????? What a baby talk. But the Egyptians, of course, do not recognize anything, and no one at all - except you, of course, who found out about this and do not know where (although you say that from the Israeli site). In kindergarten, please children

                      Quote: Rider
                      Yes, in fact, this is equivalent to helping from the United States, that milking Germany.

                      Well, it doesn’t matter to you Tatars that to advance is to run. what to retreat - run


                      Quote: Rider
                      you finally read the link?
                      because I didn’t write about these billions.

                      Was reading . I didn’t see about billions. Maybe throw a quote.

                      Quote: Rider
                      Well, what do you want?

                      Probably the Caucasus center, the same a lot of * truth * writes.
                      1. +2
                        24 August 2013 21: 52
                        Quote: atalef
                        Where is that written ? Link or quote pliz.


                        YES I SHOWED THE LINK, and you see selectively read.
                        http://ilgid.ru/economy/gas.html
                        penultimate paragraph
                        Israel has also initiated work on the preparation of agreements with neighbors in the Levantine basin. It is also known that Israel is negotiating with the United States to increase regular military assistance by another $ 20 billion; part of these funds will be allocated for the purchase of warships and submarines to protect gas production enterprises. Hezbollah’s Lebanese Islamic movement, which has anti-ship missiles and troops trained to fight at sea, is particularly dangerous for Israel’s offshore gas infrastructure.
                        Quote: atalef
                        What a baby talk.

                        Well, if for YOU, YOUR website writes babble, then I wash my hands.
                        Quote: atalef
                        Well, you Tatars all the same

                        Well, probably you Tatars and anyway, Av from Israel gladly took advantage of the Germans.
                        or you do not like this source?
                        Quote: atalef
                        Probably the Caucasus center, the same a lot of * truth * writes.

                        probably you could make sure that tyrnet cleaned
                        for fun, try to find the phrase M. Albright about the death of a million children in Iraq, that it was a decent price for democracy.
          2. +1
            24 August 2013 21: 07
            Bggg. How much ?! A couple of trillions at least geophysicists "shot" ?! Professor, well, look at the reserves of the average Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, to understand "what untold treasures you have on the shelf." Also take a look at the volumes of the North Sea shelf deposits. There is no need to explain the difference between production on the shelf and on the mainland ?! If you are interested, google "cost of taking a running meter and percentage of reserves recovery" for these conditions.
            1. +1
              24 August 2013 21: 21
              We are a small country, until this year, generally without hydrocarbon production, we have reached well not very bad indicators in the standard of living. Drop statistics or believe a word?
            2. 0
              25 August 2013 15: 51
              You’re laughing in vain. A couple of trillions will be enough for Israel for domestic consumption. And this is quite a lot. They’ll save money, they will be allowed to rearm the army, equipping it with ultramodern technologies. So you hurried with a laugh.
              1. 0
                25 August 2013 17: 53
                And what is there a couple of trillions ?! Here, as Professor Infu cited, so there is a trillion nemae. Offshore extraction how much? God forbid if they take half.
      4. +2
        25 August 2013 08: 56
        Truly Troll is not smart. He is vile, dodgy, and cunning. Well, you can still experienced. And then not for long
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        Che
        0
        25 August 2013 09: 09
        Professor, forget about shale gas. This is moore, not gas. Here on the shelf is gas.
  42. -4
    24 August 2013 16: 10
    Quote: Rider
    Oh my god, prof!
    Well, you see, an intelligent person, well, where did you get such tricks.

    You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.
    1. +4
      24 August 2013 16: 21
      Quote: professor
      You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff


      No, unfortunately for Americans it’s not a bluff, like burning tap water.

      and in Poland (and most of all on shales) - we really will see.
      1. 0
        24 August 2013 19: 09
        I would not call this a revolution. Just an American bluff in an attempt to reduce dependence on imported gas.
    2. +8
      24 August 2013 16: 34
      Quote: professor
      You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.

      The shale revolution is bullshit.
      Oil shales and gas extracted from them have been used since the Stone Age.
      Methods of underground shale gas production are also known for a long time and the modern method is not the only one.
      Shale gas can become a substitute for natural gas when natural gas fields are fully developed, but for now it cannot compete with natural gas at the cost of production.
      Mineral is an economic and technological concept, Russia has enormous reserves of oil shale, but they have not even begun to explore them, except for relatively small areas in the European part of the Russian Federation.
      According to 1981 data, the proven reserves of oil shale in Russia amounted to 37 billion tons, and resources - approximately 850 billion tons. According to estimates of the geological fund, 180 deposits of various geological age have been explored, of which about a hundred are located in the industrially developed European part.
      In Russia, shale deposits are known in the Baltic (Leningrad region), Volga, Pechora-Timan and Vychegod basins. The first in terms of importance and scale of oil shale mining in the Russian Federation is currently the Baltic basin (the Russian part is the Leningradskoye field).

      Similarly, on Earth there are giant mountain ranges 30-40% composed of iron, but there is no economically viable technology for extracting iron from the rocks composing them.
      1. -2
        24 August 2013 17: 00
        Quote: Rider
        No, unfortunately for Americans it’s not a bluff, like burning tap water.

        Recall disasters associated with conventional oil production?

        Quote: Corsair5912
        in the meantime, he cannot compete with the natural one at the cost of production.

        laughing And why gas in the US has fallen in price at times?


        About shale revolution
        1. +1
          24 August 2013 21: 56
          Quote: professor
          And why gas in the US has fallen in price at times?


          Gas in the USA has never been cheaper at times or in percents, and your chart is about nothing.
          Maybe this is an indicator of the activity of trainee Monica Lewinsky in the oral office?
          Any geologist will tell you that shale gas cannot, at the cost of production, be cheaper than natural. This excludes the production method itself and well productivity. The costs are huge, and the output is negligible, almost the same as extracting gold from sea water.
          1. -5
            24 August 2013 22: 05
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Gas in the USA has never been cheaper at times or in percents, and your chart is about nothing.

            Blah blah blah. Show us the US natural gas retail price chart, and we all laugh together.
            1. +1
              24 August 2013 23: 09
              Alas, professor, but I will not make up the company of the ridiculous, because I work in the oil and gas industry. And I can imagine a little what it is to drill wells, including those with horizontal cuts, then break the pressure, and then wait until the injected chemistry will reveal another part of the micropores and lenses with gas. We have about 50 billion cubic meters from the wellbore, and oil shale producers will not have a million. How is it that the icon of the shale revolution Chisapik feels, and then for six months he was no longer interested in this issue.
    3. +4
      24 August 2013 17: 00
      Of course a bluff. Not a damn thing the Yankees did. Costs are tens of times higher than implementation. See Euronews.
    4. -1
      24 August 2013 19: 07
      Yes, professor, and the Saudis will bring down the price of oil. Your dreams are clear, but here they talk about realities.
      1. -2
        24 August 2013 19: 20
        Quote: 31231
        Yes, professor, and the Saudis will bring down the price of oil. Your dreams are clear, but here they talk about realities.

        Kremlin dreamers also thought so, and the Campaign treaty destroyed the USSR.
        1. +1
          24 August 2013 19: 26
          Quote: professor
          Campids agreement destroyed the USSR

          Not a fact.
          1. -2
            24 August 2013 19: 27
            Quote: Spade
            Not a fact.

            Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.
            1. +2
              24 August 2013 19: 34
              Quote: professor
              Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.

              Strong? Give the numbers. How much did the USSR lose as a percentage of GDP?

              The Pole in the American service presents this as his great geopolitical victory, a complex multi-entry route. However, if you do not praise yourself in the memoirs, then who will praise?
              1. -3
                24 August 2013 19: 48
                Quote: Spade
                Strong? Give the numbers. How much did the USSR lose as a percentage of GDP?

                Schaz, the USSR regularly published its true free print GDP.
                Pole has nothing to do with it. I myself remember the empty store shelves when there weren’t enough petrodollars to buy food.
                1. 0
                  24 August 2013 20: 20
                  Quote: professor
                  I myself remember the empty store shelves when there were not enough petrodollars to buy food.

                  You are just very lucky. Food problems began long before this treaty. Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.
                  1. -1
                    24 August 2013 20: 42
                    Quote: Spade
                    Food problems began long before this treaty. Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.

                    In fact, this agreement was until the 84 of the year; it was signed on March 26 and 1979 in Washington.
                    1. 0
                      24 August 2013 21: 02
                      Quote: professor
                      signed March 26, 1979 in Washington.

                      Cool. And what is the result? That's right, oil in price continued to grow. And it reached its peak two years after the signing of this historic treaty.

                      Are you confusing anything?
                      1. -4
                        24 August 2013 21: 18
                        Quote: Spade
                        Cool.

                        Why? The harsh truth of life.

                        Quote: Spade
                        And what is the result?

                        Peace, friendship, chewing gum, opening of the Suez Canal. Tankers around Africa stopped chasing.

                        Quote: Spade
                        That's right, oil in price continued to grow. And it reached its peak two years after the signing of this historic treaty.

                        Discard the schedule, please.
                        And now notice December 1979, the peak of oil prices.


                        http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
                      2. +1
                        24 August 2013 21: 32
                        Quote: professor
                        Discard the schedule, please.
                      3. +1
                        24 August 2013 21: 49
                        Quote: professor
                        And now notice December 1979, the peak of oil prices.

                        Have you looked at your link? Or lack of time?
                      4. -3
                        24 August 2013 21: 58
                        Quote: Spade
                        Have you looked at your link? Or lack of time?

                        Of course I looked, you enlarge the picture, there is even an inscription there.
                        http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Chart.as
                        p

                        And here is the table, as we see Oil in the price is NOT continued to grow (December 79 - peak). AND NOT peaked two years after the signing of this historic treaty.
                        http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.as

                        p

                        Year Nominal Price Inflation Adjusted Price
                        1976 $13.10 $53.60
                        1977 $14.40 $55.28
                        1978 $14.95 $53.38
                        1979 $25.10 $79.75
                        1980 $37.42 $105.84
                        1981 $35.75 $91.65
                        1982 $31.83 $76.83
                        1983 $29.08 $67.98
                        1984 $28.75 $64.44
                        1985 $26.92 $58.25
                        1986 $14.44 $30.65
                      5. +1
                        24 August 2013 23: 41
                        AND? After signing this Great Founding Treaty on the Urination of the USSR By Reducing Oil Prices, its price rose from 51.47 bucks in March 1979 to 110.53 in April 1980. This is what I understand, peramoga.

                        And the Saudis brought down oil prices in March 1985. When in the USSR the food problem was already available for a long time
                      6. 0
                        25 August 2013 09: 10
                        Quote: Spade
                        AND? After signing this Great Founding Treaty on the Urination of the USSR By Reducing Oil Prices, its price rose from 51.47 bucks in March 1979 to 110.53 in April 1980. This is what I understand, peramoga.

                        What kind of nonsense? Have you seen this contract?
                        The price of oil in 1980 was not $ 110.53 per barrel - this is the price adjusted for inflation, and the real price was $ 37.42.
                        And so is the materiel.
                        The contract is signed on March 26, 1979 (for those who are not in the know, the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt), it implies the complete opening of the Suez Canal for shipping (average annual oil price is $ 25.10). In December 1979, the oil price reaches its peak and since then begins to fall, and therefore the average annual oil price is the highest in 1980 ($ 37.42). As we see, not two years after signing. The Suez Canal is safe again, Loyd insures tankers without problems and the price of oil starts to fall,
                        1981- $ 35.75,
                        1982- $ 31.83,
                        1983- $ 29.08,
                        1984- $ 28.75,
                        1985- $ 26.92 and so on until the 2000s.
                        And if we take into account that Soviet oil has always been a little cheaper, it becomes clear how much the economy of the USSR did not get.
                      7. 0
                        25 August 2013 09: 54
                        Quote: professor
                        What kind of nonsense? Have you seen this contract?

                        This is not my nonsense, this is yours. I quote: "the Campdev Treaty destroyed the USSR"

                        Quote: professor
                        The price of oil in 1980 was not $ 110.53 per barrel - this is the price adjusted for inflation, and the real price was $ 37.42.

                        What can you do, you yourself gave this link. And the "real price" doesn't really matter. The market price (which for some reason you called "price adjusted for inflation" is much more important. Because you had to buy exactly at it. Well, the fact that the main income has since begun to be received by the resellers, so what's the problem? has to "the treaty that destroyed the USSR"?
                      8. +1
                        25 August 2013 10: 28
                        Quote: Spade
                        This is not my nonsense, this is yours. I quote: "the Campdev Treaty destroyed the USSR"

                        And I quote:
                        Quote: professor
                        Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.


                        Quote: Spade
                        The market price (which for some reason you called "inflation adjusted" is much more important.

                        This is not a market price, just what I called the real price is the market price. That was how much oil was then. Be careful.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Because I had to buy it.

                        That's it. We bought in 1980 at $ 37.42 per barrel.

                        Quote: Spade
                        What does this have to do with the "treaty that destroyed the USSR"?

                        I repeat, they signed an agreement, opened a channel, the price of no oil fell, the flow of petrodollars to the Soviet economy declined and that hacked the indestructible free republics that forever ...
                      9. 0
                        25 August 2013 13: 17
                        Quote: professor
                        This is not a market price, just what I called the real price is the market price. That was how much oil was then. Be careful.

                        Dear, so what did you give the link to? This one: http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
                      10. -1
                        25 August 2013 16: 03
                        Quote: Spade
                        Dear, so what did you give the link to? This one: http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart

                        You take a closer look, this graph is for the price, taking into account inflation until 2013. So to speak, in the prices of 2013.
                  2. +3
                    24 August 2013 20: 57
                    Quote: Spade
                    Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.
                    For three years, the cards crawled to St. Petersburg.
                    1. +3
                      24 August 2013 21: 20
                      We arrived at 84, so I can only speak from this date. In real life, most likely earlier. At the same time, they should not have entered cards for meat-sausage and oil, this deficit is not like a cigarette or sugar, not artificial.
                    2. 0
                      25 August 2013 16: 01
                      and already in the 82nd year we had coupons for meat, butter and sugar what
                2. +1
                  24 August 2013 21: 39
                  Quote: professor
                  Schaz, the USSR regularly published its true free print GDP. The Pole has nothing to do with it. I myself remember the empty store shelves when there were not enough petrodollars to buy food.

                  The ignorant nonsense of the liberals, composed in perestroika.
                  1. The USSR began to supply oil and gas to the CMEA countries through pipelines only from 1972 and until the beginning of the 90s received no petrodollars, where would the CMEA countries come from?
                  2. The USSR never bought any food for petrodollars; this version is composed for a stupid cattle. On the contrary, until the end of the 80s, food was exported in huge quantities from the USSR over the hill. In Brest, he himself saw on the Warsaw side echelons of refrigerated cars going west loaded to capacity.
                  3. Empty shelves in stores were at full warehouses and the constant transportation of expired meat and dairy products to landfills. In the 80s and early 90s, with coupons for everything, any products could be organized, at the request of enterprises, in any quantity, to buy at wholesale stores.
                  All houses had bags of sugar, flour, cereals, boxes of vodka, boxes of cigarettes, sweets, etc. At work in offices, oil, meat, fish, chickens, etc. were thawed and hung.
                  1. -4
                    24 August 2013 21: 43
                    Quote: Corsair5912
                    The ignorant nonsense of the liberals, composed in perestroika.

                    You leave these Bolshevik tales for pioneers, and in those days I already stood in turns and will never forget it. Tell us better how much grain the USSR bought overseas.
                    1. +2
                      25 August 2013 07: 38
                      Quote: professor
                      You leave these Bolshevik tales for pioneers, and in those days I already stood in turns and will never forget it. Tell us better how much grain the USSR bought overseas.

                      Your ignorance can be justified by the lack of information, but the complete lack of rationalization is difficult to justify.
                      They buy it not only when their own is not enough, but also when it is much cheaper to buy someone else's than to increase their own production. With grain is just that case.
                      The USSR fed bread to many countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, America and bought cheap feed grain (not only wheat) in Canada and the USA.
                      The USSR, in addition to grain, bought overseas (and not overseas) copper, rare-metal, uranium, bauxite, nickel ores, oil and gas, although its ores have not yet run out.
                      1. -1
                        25 August 2013 09: 19
                        Quote: Corsair5912
                        Your ignorance can be justified by the lack of information, but the complete lack of rationalization is difficult to justify.

                        You keep this agitation for children. I took notes of the materials of the next congress of the CPSU and I will never forget the section on the food program. There was plenty to listen to, but the warehouses were rotten and did not reach the shelves. The most "funny" is that many people will start to believe in this nonsense.
                        I will not forget how the sapper battalion stationed in our military town returned from Celina. But even with the help of the army, there was not enough grain and had to pay for it with gold to the worst enemies.
                      2. +1
                        25 August 2013 11: 57
                        Quote: professor
                        You keep this agitation for children. I took notes of the materials of the next congress of the CPSU and I will never forget the section on the food program. There was plenty to listen to, but the warehouses were rotten and did not reach the shelves. The most "funny" is that many people will start to believe in this nonsense.
                        I will not forget how the sapper battalion stationed in our military town returned from Celina. But even with the help of the army, there was not enough grain and had to pay for it with gold to the worst enemies.

                        You need to change your nickname to "1st year student".
                        What other agitation, these are my personal memories, I lived in the USSR for 40 years and I remember very well how it was.
                        In the 50s and 70s, cattle were fed bread in private households in the USSR; I myself bought 9-10 rolls of bread for piglets daily.
                        There were never any problems with grain in the USSR, and no one paid gold to any enemy for grain. There was no need for this; there was nowhere to put their extra grain on the fields in the stacks and on the currents in the heaps was rotting.
                        Khrushchev’s adventure with virgin lands was just an adventure, the question was not about the lack of grain, but about the low productivity of arable lands in the Non-Chernozem region. The Central Committee considered two options:
                        1. To increase the agricultural technology of the Non-Black Earth Region by applying fertilizers and herbicides, sowing elite varieties of grain, and increasing the scientific and technical equipment of collective farms and state farms.
                        2. To increase the area under grain crops due to the plowing of virgin and fallow lands in the steppe regions.
                        Khrushchev, as a classic enemy of the people, insisted on 2 adventurous options and a lot of budget money flew into the chimney.
                        Those who flew over northern Kazakhstan saw what the steppe hot winds turned chernozems.
                      3. -1
                        25 August 2013 12: 11
                        Quote: Corsair5912
                        There were never any problems with grain in the USSR, and no one paid gold to any enemy for grain.

                        You either have skliroz or you are a dreamer:
                        In October, President Kennedy signed a protocol on the sale of grain of the USSR in the amount of $ 250 million, however, in his speech, the head of state emphasized that this does not mean that the US economic policy in relation to the USSR has undergone decisive changes.

                        Summer of 1972. A catastrophically low grain yield is expected in the USSR, but the scale of the disaster is not known not only to analysts, but also to the Soviet leadership. In negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture, Soviet officials express a desire to purchase a large amount of grain, including wheat and corn.

                        Returning to Moscow, the delegation reported on the successfully completed mission, however, instead of the orders, its members received a new task: to buy a little more grain, because in the USSR the views on the crop were completely dull. In August, the delegation returned to the United States and contracted grain in the same way. As a result, 19 (!) Million tons were purchased at fixed prices

                        In 1975, Soviet buyers again turned their eyes to American grain. The press reported that Cook sold 2 million tons of grain to the USSR, Cargill - 1,2 million, a week later it became known that Continental Greine sold 5,6 million tons. In addition, the USSR additionally bought 0,75 million tons in Australia, and another 2 million in Canada.

                        As a result, on October 20, 1975 such an agreement was signed for a period of 5 years. According to this document, the USSR undertook to annually purchase 6 million tons of grain worth about $ 1 billion. The USSR had the right to increase the annual volume of purchases by 2 million tons without additional coordination with the administration, unless the United States announced that grain production this year had not reached 225 million tons.


                        Continue?
                      4. -3
                        25 August 2013 12: 13
                        In 1982, the USSR purchased agricultural products (including food) in the amount of $ 15.5 billion. Some little thing didn’t make it into these billions, so I’ll round this figure and round it not to 16, as some might think, but round it to 20 billion, I don’t mind, let it be twenty. Billion.

                        What exactly was purchased for these billions? Article number one in procurement is sugar. It was purchased for almost $ 4 billion. Wheat in second place, and in third - corn. In fourth place, if you are interested in wine, it was purchased for almost $ 620 million, and in seventh place - cigarettes, which were bought otherwise so that smokers could smoke.

                        Wheat (it, as a rule, was bought low-grade), corn and soybeans (soybeans in the items of purchases in tenth place, it was collected for almost 400 million dollars) were mainly used for cattle feed, this made it possible to avoid foreign policy dependence on meat. From "meat" in 1982, beef carcasses were purchased for 570 million dollars and, in addition, frozen chickens for 325 million.

                        Bought for hard currency, despite the fact that there were "heaps" ... fellow
                      5. +1
                        25 August 2013 13: 54
                        Quote: professor
                        In 1982, the USSR purchased agricultural products (including food) in the amount of $ 15.5 billion. Some little thing didn’t make it into these billions, so I’ll round this figure and round it not to 16, as some might think, but round it to 20 billion, I don’t mind, let it be twenty. Billion.

                        During this perestroika, during the perestroika, the liberal nation of the nation poured whole mountains, for greenbacks they are not capable of such things.
                        That's just a lie it on faith can only accept boys born in the 90s and never lived in the USSR.
                        By the way, the state expenditures of the USSR in the 70-80s exceeded $ 500 billion (those then, which were significantly more significant than the current ones), so even $ 20 billion would not be ruin for the USSR.
                      6. 0
                        25 August 2013 16: 10
                        Quote: Corsair5912
                        That's just a lie it on faith can only accept boys born in the 90s and never lived in the USSR.

                        Crush me with information, so to speak, in numbers, not chatter.
                        For example:
                        http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/23591/1/aer541.pdf
                      7. sashka
                        +1
                        25 August 2013 12: 25
                        Professor Are you too lazy to "dig deeper" I do not like Jews .. Moreover, I hate it .. Although perhaps you are ordinary people
                      8. +3
                        25 August 2013 12: 27
                        Quote: Sasha
                        I don’t like Jews .. Moreover, I don’t hate it .. Although maybe you are ordinary people


                        "ordinary Jews" ... ??? New nation?
                      9. sashka
                        -2
                        25 August 2013 12: 31
                        Common Jews with sauce ..
                      10. +4
                        25 August 2013 13: 06
                        Do you not like Jews? Yes, you just don’t know how to cook them laughing
                      11. 0
                        25 August 2013 14: 25
                        Bggg. And "Jevish sapiens" are those who migrated to Israel. And ordinary people still carry Russian passports in the Far East.
                    2. +1
                      25 August 2013 09: 27
                      I don’t want to enter into a confrontation with anyone — 87g in Zelenograd (I’ve been living here since 87g) in shops — even the most seedy — there was such an assortment — cheese (1 grade — but always) cooked sausage (2-3 grades) cheese, milk, butter creamy, kefir, cream, bread. Always. I’m talking about a store near my house with an area of ​​3x2 meters and it’s true. But I probably didn’t fit on the counter anymore. Ah! yes, canned food is still fish-all kinds. Well, crabs, of course there was no saury there, sprats. And the fish paste sucks terrible. And a salad of seaweed. It's amazing how much it costs now, is there really such a crazy subsidy for it? Rather, nobody needed it, for no money.
                      But then I remember the most terrible turn for a rubik's cube, I then studied in the 3rd grade. For my native Hungarian, after some time ours clumsy appeared.
                      1. +2
                        25 August 2013 11: 12
                        Well, this is in Zelenograd ... And in the backwoods already in the 83rd, we could buy sausage or cheese either home-made or going to a large city ... really large
                  2. +1
                    25 August 2013 16: 28
                    and who imported Canadian wheat into the USSR in the early 80s? aliens?
      2. +1
        24 August 2013 19: 38
        Do not bring down. The mining is expensive at first, and the Saudis cannot even cope with the costs of sanctions against Iran.
        1. +1
          24 August 2013 21: 14
          Not much more expensive than the end of the eighties. Transnational mining companies and Saudis place their interests above the interests of the US leadership. Rather, the business runs the United States than the United States does business.
    5. +6
      24 August 2013 20: 03
      Quote: professor
      You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.

      Woke up. In Poland, it was all over.
      The insinuations with shale gas in Poland began with the publication in April 2010 of a report by Wood Mackenzie, which estimated the country's reserves at 1,36 trillion cubic meters of gas from unconventional sources. In this state. Experts (understand where the wind is blowing from?) The United States calculated that Poland has the largest shale gas reserves in Europe, amounting to about 5,3 trillion cubic meters. However, in March 2010 Poland itself estimated reserves at a modest 346-768 billion cubic meters. The Poles would not have become exporters, but they themselves would have had enough, together with traditional gas reserves, for 35–65 years of consumption. Bottom line: "American oil giant Exxon Mobil has abandoned plans for shale gas production in Poland, having not received satisfactory results after drilling exploratory wells," said Polish Gazeta Wyborcza. Before that, Exxon abandoned a $ 2009 million project in Hungary in 75: the company found more water in the well than gas.

      Shale gas is a bluff of pure water.
      1. +8
        24 August 2013 21: 06
        Quote: bot.su
        Shale gas is a bluff of pure water.



        bluffing guide dirty water.

        wink
        1. +1
          25 August 2013 11: 26
          in June 2013, an earthquake occurred in the Kemerovo region due to a fracture. 5-8 points. so it will be with the production of shale gas
  43. GREAT RUSSIA
    -10
    24 August 2013 16: 17
    Quote: professor
    The pipeline can be built without Syria and Turkey. From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are within easy reach.
    The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.

    I put you a bold plus since you are right.
    1. +3
      24 August 2013 16: 58
      Nothing will come of the Poles with shale. With this fabulous fuel already flew to the US. The bourgeoisie simply did not correctly understand geology.
    2. +1
      24 August 2013 20: 59
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are just around the corner.

      An agreement was signed (a month ago) on the laying of a gas pipeline from Israel to Cyprus and to Greece. At the same time, a 400 kV cable will be laid for the Israel-EU, Cyprus-EU energy system associations.
      1. +3
        24 August 2013 21: 22
        Quote: atalef
        An agreement was signed (a month ago) on the laying of a gas pipeline from Israel to Cyprus and to Greece.

        And not vice versa, from Cyprus to Israel? It’s not just that you butted Turks from behind Cyprus.
        1. -1
          24 August 2013 21: 32
          Quote: Spade
          And not vice versa, from Cyprus to Israel? It’s not just that you butted Turks from behind Cyprus.

          Yes you are laughing. What can Cyprus give to Israel? They do not produce their own gas, and all the generating capacities of the Cyprus energy system - 12% of Israel.
          1. +1
            24 August 2013 21: 35
            And then what kind of graters with Turkey in the Cyprus region?
      2. +2
        24 August 2013 21: 37
        The total cross section of the cable cores do not tell me ?!
  44. +4
    24 August 2013 16: 55
    Western scriptwriters of provocations see that the mercenary bandits in Syria cannot defeat the army of Assad, they began to resort to their favorite tactic - provocations. Russia has warned before. that the militants used OV. But the UN Security Council practically did not respond to these signals. After lengthy delays, UN experts have finally arrived in Syria. And then, as if by magic, B. Assad's army "applied toxic substances." Even the inexperienced in politics understands that this is a crudely orchestrated action by the Western special services.
  45. +3
    24 August 2013 16: 56
    Urgently to Syria S-300. PIECES 50, 4 pieces per installation = 200. Then they will deal with Geyropa.
  46. 0
    24 August 2013 17: 02
    Mr. Fabius Laurent is a well-known personality in politics. And you cannot understand him. Indeed, one wants to grab the floor of Syria, which probably his relatives owned as their own garden.
    1. 0
      25 August 2013 11: 21
      one word jew
  47. GREAT RUSSIA
    +2
    24 August 2013 17: 15
    if this continues, then because of Syria, a real third world war may begin, and then everyone will not care who used chemical weapons, as the ancient Greek playwright Aeschylus said, "In war, the truth dies first."
    1. +1
      24 August 2013 17: 38
      Of course, everything is being prepared for this. America and Russia must grapple, and since it will be directly kirdyk to the whole world, then indirectly somewhere in the third world countries.
      1. +3
        24 August 2013 17: 54
        do you think Syria is worth starting the third world war because of it?))))
        1. +1
          24 August 2013 18: 29
          Quote: lonely
          do you think Syria is worth starting the third world war because of it?))))


          Yes amers do not care, they hope to sit out at home.
          1. +5
            24 August 2013 18: 38
            World War 3 is only possible between Americans and Russia. And it will start with nuclear strikes. Do you think America does not understand this? They are not so stupid.
    2. +1
      24 August 2013 20: 39
      For Vietnam and Korea has not begun, do you really think that since then something has changed ?!
      1. Raven
        +1
        24 August 2013 21: 14
        hmm, but these countries were worth it to destroy humanity as a species and all life on Earth?

        Easier to help locals than start Armageddon
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  49. GREAT RUSSIA
    0
    24 August 2013 17: 48
    Quote: KBPC50
    Urgently to Syria S-300. PIECES 50, 4 pieces per installation = 200. Then they will deal with Geyropa.

    Soon we ourselves will go there with our T-90, T-80, T-72, S-300, and combat aircraft, the Black Sea fleet and a large contingent to show these sodomites true democracy, and not the nonsense they are trying to peace impose. soldier
    1. +1
      24 August 2013 17: 56
      wink Do you think Europe and the West will begin to bomb Syria? What are you going to shoot down with your S-300? Mortar shells of bearded men? The West may go there but not now
  50. arminidi
    0
    24 August 2013 17: 50
    Fabiuses do not calm down.
  51. +5
    24 August 2013 18: 02
    The cause of Dr. Goebbels is alive and well. Once Poland attacked Hitler's Germany, then the American devil shook a test tube with something that was not found in Iraq. It’s clear that we’re facing another provocation, and don’t go to a fortune teller. But the Gay Europeans grab it all, just like before. They've already changed their pants to fly backwards, but they don't mind. It's mind boggling.
    1. +2
      24 August 2013 18: 50
      Yes you are right. Goebbels' cause lives on. THEIR PROPAGANDA IS AT THEIR LEVEL. What is it that the media doesn’t present....!? A friend went to AUSTRALIA. Her daughter was raised there. Now she is 20 years old (the voting age in Slysle can participate in voting), after watching the film “We are from the Future” on our TV, she was surprised, “Why did you fight?!
      1. 0
        25 August 2013 11: 20
        Yes, yes 1939! attack by the Polish army (German soldiers in disguise) on a German radio station. The United States actively uses this tactic.
  52. wax
    +3
    24 August 2013 18: 42
    Molniya: A militant laboratory for the production of chemical weapons was found in Jobar
    http://anna-news.info/node/12238
  53. GREAT RUSSIA
    -1
    24 August 2013 19: 06
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    Following reports of the alleged use of chemical weapons in Syria, the United States began preparations for a possible military intervention. As reported on Saturday, August 24, the dpa agency, the military are updating their plans. "Currently, the list of targets on which air strikes can be carried out is being specified and updated," a senior US Department of Defense official told CNN. According to him, the use of cruise missiles is not excluded. The US military presence in the Mediterranean is also strengthening. Another destroyer will join the warships located there. "- DW

    It would be better if they bombed themselves, then they would serve the great goal of democracy and free the country from the oppression of tyranny and authoritarian forms of government. lol
  54. +5
    24 August 2013 19: 13
    Laurent Fabius is an Ashkenazi Jew. Not French at all. he hates Arabs genetically. so everything is on topic.
  55. 0
    24 August 2013 19: 33
    The amers are eager for oil, eager by any means necessary.
  56. 0
    24 August 2013 19: 49
    Oh, how these bearded freaks want to cause a provocation.
  57. +3
    24 August 2013 20: 37
    Quote: professor
    Quote: bot.su
    Do Americans say they have a horde? And us!
    The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.
    CBS News: Pentagon Develops Assad Missile Strike Plan From Sea

    A senior source in the Russian Air Force said that Russia has plans to bombard the monarchies of the Gulf - Qatar and Saudi Arabia. This is not a secret, such plans were developed during the USSR, since then they have been slightly changed, replacing the landing in a friendly that time, Iraq’s refueling in the air over the Caspian Sea, ”the officer said. He noted that this can be done by both a link of Su-27 fighters and modern Su-34 bombers with additional tanks accompanied by Su-27.

    “Today the situation is such that even if Su-34 does not have enough fuel to leave Iran’s airspace on return, they can sit right there,” he said, “the combat radius of Su-27 allows you to fly to the capitals of the monarchies and vice versa, the Su-34 is smaller. ”

    When asked when and why plans were being developed, the officer replied: “Saudi Arabia is a key ally of the United States in the region, not Israel, as many believe, namely the regime of King Abdullah, who is ready to get involved anywhere to please his masters, so the USSR naturally prepared plans to destroy this regime, since without it, Saudi Arabia will cease to be an integral state and Washington will receive hordes of barbarians who will destroy their bases on their own using American technology. ”

    The source also said that the entire operation to destroy the ruling circles of the monarchies from the air needs no more than 24 hours. http://telegrafist.org/2013/06/24/67410/
    I think there are similar plans for Israel.
    1. -1
      25 August 2013 08: 02
      Quote: rauffg
      A senior source in the Russian Air Force said that Russia has plans to bomb the Gulf monarchies of Qatar and Saudi Arabia.

      It's high time to give these creepy pig-faced bastards a hard time.
      So that they don’t breed Khattabs and other cannibals of Wahhabis and don’t breed all kinds of crap from God on Russian soil, terrorists and separatists, with their filthy greenery with portraits of overseas thieves and swindlers.
  58. 1712
    +5
    24 August 2013 21: 04
    Americans are arrogant, there are no words. But four ships to strike Syria. This is a bluff. Syria has a good coastal battery, approximately 300 km, as well as a strong missile defense system.
    In addition, there is a Russian fleet and a Russian base nearby. Who will give a guarantee that any missile will not deviate and not hit these objects? And this is a completely different “leaven”. It won’t take long to uncover an ICBM. I think that everything has been calculated and a third world war is not currently in the US plans.
    You can say: “a good face for a bad game”
  59. -8
    24 August 2013 21: 11
    Quote: egor 1712
    Syria has a good coastal battery, approximately 300 km, as well as a strong missile defense system.

    Well, yes, the storm of dragons, the slayer of giants. If necessary, the States will roll out Syria in 4 hours. Saddam was somehow stronger, so what? And what about missile defense?
    Quote: egor 1712
    In addition, there is a Russian fleet and a Russian base nearby.

    No one will start World War III because of Syria.
    1. +3
      24 August 2013 21: 33
      How long has NATO been rolling out Iraq?! Rebel battles in Fallujah began how long after the start of the “rolling out”
      Was there any superpower behind Sadam or the “spirits”?! We would not like to see the experience of Vietnam and Korea. And a personal question for you, why are Israeli representatives on the Internet so arrogant?!
    2. +4
      24 August 2013 21: 47
      Quote: atalef
      If necessary, the States will roll out Syria in 4 hours. Saddam was somehow stronger, so what? And what about missile defense?

      Was there a Russian fleet base on Iraqi territory?

      Quote: atalef
      No one will start World War III because of Syria.

      No one will start the First World War because of the Serbs, the Germans thought, issuing an ultimatum to Serbia.
      1. -2
        24 August 2013 21: 59
        Quote: bot.su
        Was there a Russian fleet base on Iraqi territory?

        Is there a Russian fleet base on Syrian territory? What a news.
        1. +4
          24 August 2013 22: 09
          he means the Logistics Support Point (LMTS) for Russian Navy ships, which is located in Tartus in the province of Latakia
          1. 0
            24 August 2013 23: 16
            Isn’t that the province of Tartus?! Now I’ll look at Anna-News info.
            1. +1
              24 August 2013 23: 31
              ))tartus port city
              1. 0
                25 August 2013 07: 01
                I also looked at Pedivikia again. You are not right. Tartus is also a province with a population of 800 thousand.
        2. 0
          24 August 2013 22: 15
          Quote: professor
          Is there a Russian fleet base on Syrian territory? What a news.

          Now, if I had said military base or naval base, it would have been news. And so, the base is a warehouse, a place for storing goods, materials, products. And the point of logistics fully corresponds to this definition. This was not the case in Iraq either. And in general, our rulers then sang to someone else’s tune.
          1. +3
            24 August 2013 22: 18
            One of the options is simply not to touch the base. This is one of the options in the event of an attack.
          2. +1
            24 August 2013 22: 21
            Quote: bot.su
            And in general, our rulers then sang to someone else’s tune.

            Okay, let there be a base. Here, some argue that Israel has already bombed Syria more than once. The question is, what about Russia? What is she doing? Why didn’t you rush to help Assad?

            Quote: 31231
            Haven't you wondered why the USA doesn't supply Stingers to the rebels?!

            Didn't ask. I know the answer. Israel tearfully asked not to do this.
            1. 0
              24 August 2013 22: 38
              Moreover, the United States does not want to provide expensive weapons to places where they will be directed against them in the future.
              Well, if NATO nevertheless declares a no-fly zone over Syria, will a flow of MANPADS made in Russia and China flow there?! It’s also likely that the Rebels and Wakhs will help their friendlies, because they are a priori incompetent in recognizing flying objects.
            2. +2
              24 August 2013 23: 04
              Quote: professor
              The question is, what about Russia? What is she doing? Why didn’t you rush to help Assad?

              Yes, it turned out that it was enough to threaten that we would supply the S-300 to Syria and that’s it, your boss flew to bow to Putin and the American president began to ask for you. And on this site, your fellow countrymen first boasted about how cool it was, and now you’re asking where the evidence is. It has become boring to bomb openly in Syria, so you remain quiet there, and in the face of it you begin to fuss, like the urchins who have been tied up by the criminals. "Where is the proof?" The operators will be given the command and you will tell everything yourself bully
              1. -2
                25 August 2013 08: 27
                Quote: bot.su
                Yes, it turned out that it was enough to threaten that we would supply the S-300 to Syria and that’s it, your boss flew to bow to Putin and the American president began to ask for you.

                And it's all? So Russia stood up for Assad? After “bowing” to Bibi, they say Israel bombed Syria again and again, so where is the “nuclear war”? wink
                1. +1
                  25 August 2013 13: 00
                  Quote: professor
                  And it's all? So Russia stood up for Assad? After “bowing” to Bibi, they say Israel bombed Syria again and again, so where is the “nuclear war”?

                  If you have delusions of grandeur, curb them laughing Should we start a nuclear war with Israel? Well, he bombed to show that he was not afraid of our threats and that’s it, he calmed down. We understand everything, you guys are brave, you took our criticism into account, you don’t brazenly flout international laws, and the fact that you are quietly pressing terrorists there, so we understand you here too, we have the North Caucasus. We also don’t want to check whether the West will risk plunging the world into radioactive chaos because of Israel. So you were asked not to be a hooligan, you, like a real punk, kicked Syria, which cannot yet answer you (bullies always prefer to attack those who cannot fight back), but you stopped openly hooliganizing. So Russia’s assistance to Assad took place without any nuclear war.
        3. -1
          24 August 2013 22: 16
          You're right professor, she's not there. But did the US create its base there when the USSR sent a military contingent to Afghanistan?! Haven't you wondered why the USA doesn't supply Stingers to the rebels?!
    3. +3
      24 August 2013 22: 08
      Quote: atalef
      No one will start World War III because of Syria.

      WW3, it’s been going on for a long time, dear...
    4. 0
      25 August 2013 11: 16
      So the states did not go to Iraq themselves. We created a coalition. Significant numerical superiority. They themselves are big zilch. Not ready for protracted wars.
  60. Raven
    0
    24 August 2013 21: 16
    Found chem. weapons in Syria
    The EU and the US support militants and threaten a no-fly zone
    Egypt is in turmoil
    The EU has introduced 3 genders and new types of “families”
    Riots in Berlin

    Wake me up when there’s something new, okay?
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  62. -1
    24 August 2013 23: 26
    In France... and a young wife is waiting for a heroic soldier to return from the war - 3,14 dark... this is about France in Syria. Yes, God forbid! This is about Syria.
    1. RusneTRUS
      +1
      25 August 2013 01: 15
      What are you about ? please explain
      1. 0
        27 August 2013 14: 08
        Well, this is about the fact that suddenly they will trample on Syria...
  63. Obie
    -1
    25 August 2013 05: 07
    Quote: bot.su
    Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation?

    Quote: professor
    I’m not sure that Assad controls the situation at all.


    It looks like you have watched some Hollywood films, for example - “The Price of Fear”))
  64. 0
    25 August 2013 08: 30
    Again the US and NATO are chemicalizing: there are no concrete results of the work of the UN commission yet, and Obama and his English accomplice are discussing measures against Syria. They sent ships to the shores of Syria - ours are urgently there and there is a reason: to protect Russian citizens and our interests in Syria!( such as evacuation of civilians).
  65. serge
    +1
    25 August 2013 10: 19
    Peace in the Middle East will come only after the introduction of a no-fly zone over Israel.
    1. 0
      25 August 2013 11: 07
      So they are already trying to close the air with an iron canopy. But to be on the safe side, of course, they will rent beeches from Assad.
    2. 0
      25 August 2013 11: 32
      Quote: serge
      Peace in the Middle East will come only after the introduction of a no-fly zone over Israel

      And then the Shiites will immediately love the Sunnis, and the Kurds will love the Turks, and heaven on earth will come. laughing
    3. 0
      25 August 2013 11: 48
      Let them live in all of Israel. But that's it. Otherwise they wander around the world. Just as they dispersed them 1000 years ago, they still can’t put them back together.
      “And I will scatter them among the nations, which neither they nor their fathers knew, and I will send the sword after them, until I destroy them” (Jer. 9:16)
  66. +1
    25 August 2013 11: 11
    What to do with our base in Syria. If the Americans begin hostilities, then it will be directly against us. Are we ready to fight? Weak as regards non-nuclear forces. Nuclear forces are ready. Then we plant it like this, the world is ready to plunge into chaos. Moreover, nuclear chaos. Are countries with a good standard of living ready to plunge into chaos? Need to think. Obama first of all. And with your head and not a place to sit.
  67. akreworpa
    +1
    25 August 2013 11: 22
    Of course, I support any criticism, but it seems to me that the professor is very zombied by his Israeli propaganda. Please watch documentaries about the use of weapons of mass destruction.
    1. -2
      25 August 2013 11: 34
      Quote: akreworpa
      Of course, I support any criticism, but it seems to me that the professor is very zombied by his Israeli propaganda.

      Unlike most here, I read news in the original in several languages ​​including Russian, Hebrew, English and German. And based on what I read, I draw my own conclusions.
      1. +1
        25 August 2013 11: 50
        one minus! There is no objectivity in any press. Just see it with your own eyes!
      2. 0
        25 August 2013 14: 32
        There are still Iranian and Syrian media in Arabic. You look and the point of view will change.
    2. +1
      25 August 2013 11: 44
      and they fundamentally reject any criticism addressed to them. the Jew is always right. it's national.
      “Their tongue is a deadly arrow, it speaks insidiously; With their lips they speak kindly to their neighbor, but in their hearts they build bonds for him” (Jer. 9:8).
  68. +1
    25 August 2013 13: 33
    How they want to overthrow Bashar al-Assad! Once again, with such a provocation, the Americans and Kublo show their true faces.
    1. +1
      25 August 2013 14: 26
      Quote: Arkan
      How they want to overthrow Bashar al-Assad! Once again, with such a provocation, the Americans and Kublo show their true faces.

      The Yankees, in principle, don’t give a damn about Shiites, Sunnis, Assad, Saudis, al-Qaeda, Taliban and other Wahhabis, they are only interested in oil in Asia, and they don’t want to expose their asses to bullets, it’s not their uncle’s.
      So they harness the idiots to fight for their interests, pitting them against each other.
      And in Russia, there are also a lot of stupid sheep ready to go under the knife because of the long-forgotten family squabbles of the late Prophet Muhammad.
      Sunnism has a clearer content - it is following the life path of the Prophet Muhammad, recognizing the legitimacy of the rule of the righteous caliphs - Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali.
      Shiism recognizes the right to succession only of the descendants of Ali, the son-in-law of the Prophet Muhammad, as the spiritual and secular head of the Muslim community.
  69. -2
    25 August 2013 14: 53
    Quote: Corsair5912
    Quote: nokki
    Some Neksel from Israel. It can be seen that you, comrades, are not in good condition!)))

    The Jews really want to receive the support of Russia in the Middle East, contrary to common sense.
    They even created a special division of Judotrolls in the network to promote their Russophobic interests, but they still have no success.
    Velmas are dumb, dumb, and ignorant. Only minor tricks they succeed.

    It looks like they are the ones minus you))) I really don’t like it)
  70. 0
    25 August 2013 18: 42
    I hope Russian politicians will be able to come to an agreement with the Chinese on the Syrian issue and the terrible dreams of the scriptwriters in the White House and Langley will finally come true. The main thing is that we don’t find traitors who will put a spoke in our wheels for the filthy greens ($).
    When the Russian and Chinese squadrons approach Syria, this will sharply sober up the scriptwriters of revolutions and coups, because there is nowhere to run further than the globe.
    1. Hudo
      +1
      25 August 2013 20: 28
      Quote: scientist
      When the Russian and Chinese squadrons approach Syria, this will sharply sober up the scriptwriters of revolutions and coups, because there is nowhere to run further than the globe.


      I wish no less than you that the striped ones and their hirelings would tear their navels in Syria, but is it possible to tell us more about the Russian and Chinese squadrons off the Syrian coast?
  71. vBR
    vBR
    +1
    25 August 2013 21: 09
    I am very afraid that our government will give up or not pro... the Assad regime. It is already clear to a fool why all these fairy tales about the white bull are for. While there is time, we need to transport as many weapons as possible, preferably with the operational contingent of the CSTO, and at least a few ships. The Americans are not waiting for a decision, they are already preparing the theater. And we haven’t heard anything about our “material response”. Syria did not even receive, it seems, the promised 300s (in general, only a part and a minuscule amount to repel a normal air attack)
  72. serge
    +4
    25 August 2013 21: 19
    If the Americans, violating international law, launch a cruise missile attack on friendly Syria, which has a Russian military base, Russia will have absolutely every reason to launch several missiles at Qatar and Saudi Arabia, friendly to the Americans, who actively supported, financed and fed the war in Chechnya with mercenaries. .
    1. +2
      25 August 2013 22: 16
      Quote: serge
      will launch a cruise missile attack on our friendly Syria, which has a Russian military base,


      if the base is not touched? maybe there is some kind of document stating that Russia is the guarantor of Syria’s security. If there is please give me a link.
  73. Ardzan:
    -1
    25 August 2013 21: 34
    “His Turkish colleague Ahmad Davutoglu is not far behind Fabius. He also calls thunder and lightning on the heads of the Syrians. And, of course, he is in no hurry to wait for any results of the investigation. Naturally, how can Turkey, the country through which Syria enters, be objective? "The main flow of bandits and weapons? The country into which the wealth of the Syrian people flows - bread, equipment from looted factories, oil?"

    ... They are in a hurry, oh, how in a hurry the “leaders” of the artificial criminal entity called “Turkey” are apparently hoping to distract from the “Greater Middle East” (GME) project by supporting terror in Syria. But before the situation in Syria worsened, such close economic and political ties had been established between it and Turkey that they were already talking about the integration of the two economies... And such a sharp unfriendly change in Turkey’s policy leads to very unpleasant thoughts, especially regarding the current warming in relations between this country and Russia.
    Although, on the other hand, sometimes it seems that the current leadership of Turkey is doing everything possible to ensure that the BBB project is implemented 100% in relation to their country...
  74. +1
    25 August 2013 21: 41
    So it's five minutes to twelve. According to the latest data, American ships are entering strike positions. At any moment, on the orders of the US President, an attack on Syria could begin.

    Yesterday, a very controversial article was discussed here, where the author claimed that America was leaving the Middle East and could be replaced by Russia. Reality has left no stone unturned from these fabrications.

    Syria will not be able to resist an air attack. Moreover, Türkiye will probably take part in it. And Turkey has a very, very good air force. Deliveries of the C300 were hopelessly late. Of course, Russia and China will fail the Security Council resolution on Syria. But what will this matter?

    As they said in the football commentary, “The situation has taken a turn for the worse”!
    1. Hudo
      +1
      25 August 2013 21: 44
      Quote: Bakht
      So it's five minutes to twelve. According to the latest data, American ships are entering strike positions. At any moment, on the orders of the US President, an attack on Syria could begin.


      The mood couldn't be worse.
    2. 0
      25 August 2013 22: 17
      Türkiye won’t fit in there. They’ll figure it out without Turkey
  75. 0
    25 August 2013 22: 30
    June 1941 - Great Patriotic War. July 1914 - First World War. 08.08.2008/1380/XNUMX - Georgia-Abkhazia, September XNUMX - Battle of Kulikovo. And this is what I remembered without the Internet. You can choose anything for any month. And the fact that y and geyropai oh .. ate fish soup is clear even without dates. If they want to get into Syria, they will find chemical weapons. They will be confused or consider it inappropriate, they will not find it, even if they put these cylinders or barrels, or whatever it is stored in, in front of the commission’s nose. FARCE.
    1. +1
      25 August 2013 22: 43
      Quote: Alexandr73
      June 1941 - Great Patriotic War. July 1914 - First World War. 08.08.2008/1380/XNUMX - Georgia-Abkhazia, September XNUMX - Battle of Kulikovo.

      Quote: Alexandr73
      You can choose anything for any month

      That’s what I’m talking about, August 20 - well, there’s just room for conspiracy theorists like Gromova (as well as August 21, 22, 23 and even February 10)
      For example, I was born, and Pushkin was killed. Just a Jewish conspiracy

      See also: Category:Events of August 20

      1619 - A Dutch ship brought the first 20 African blacks to America, who were sold into slavery to the inhabitants of Jamestown.
      1634 - The first primer was published in Moscow by Vasily Burtsov.
      1667 - John Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost is published.
      1672 - "year of disasters" (English): street riots in The Hague, during which the grand pensioner Jan de Witt died.
      1704 - The Swedish fortress of Narva was stormed.
      1721 - The fountains and cascades of Peterhof were launched.
      1741 - Discovery of Alaska by the first Russian navigator, Captain-Commander Vitus Bering.
      1794 - “Battle of the Fallen Trees” between American settlers and an alliance of Indian tribes.
      1806 - Following the Neva, the sloop Nadezhda under the command of I. F. Kruzenshtern returned home from the first Russian circumnavigation of the world.
      1809 - Pope Pius VII, arrested by the French, was escorted from Savona to Grenoble.

      them etc etc.
      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B3%D1%83%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0
      1. Hudo
        -1
        25 August 2013 23: 13
        Quote: atalef
        That’s what I’m talking about, August 20 - well, there’s just room for conspiracy theorists like Gromova


        What is Gromov's side here? Or do you have an extremely strict connection to tags in the troll field?
      2. +1
        25 August 2013 23: 48
        wassat According to OBS reports, Pushkin was shot by a Mossad agent)) wassat
  76. Druid
    0
    26 August 2013 00: 00
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    "Assad, apparently, you will not envy, but he is holding on so far, and this is very good, because every day of the Syrian resistance means another day given to Russia to prepare for the inevitable. And the fact that the inevitable is inevitable, if not under Obama , then with the "elephants" standing at a low start, there is no longer any doubt: that Russia is in the first place in the list, the Republican speakers - such as Royce and McCain - are no longer speaking in hints, but quite frankly.

    a) Assad personally and his entourage have no choice but to hold out until the last. Russia is forced to support Syria, another question is whether it will manage to receive money for the weapons supplied and, more importantly, ordered, or everything will again end up at a loss, as with Libya, after Assad moves into the refrigerator of the grocery store.
    b) There is no longer a single Syrian people as such.
    c) Russia needs to prepare not for the inevitable, but to resolve the contradictions of the morning; apparently, its turn will not come soon - Iran is next in line after Syria, so there is still time.
    d)
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    and (b) if there are no longer some behind-the-scenes agreements suggesting the collapse of Russia with the complicity of the Russian elite, as happened a quarter of a century ago with the Soviet Union."
    There is a high probability that this has already happened and we have been watching the puppets for a long time, if we talk about part of the Russian leadership.
    Quote: Che
    Ruslan correctly noted everything. The voice of the people must be heard. The elite will not hear or will not want to hear - it will be a massacre.
    There will be no massacre, no one needs damaged infrastructure, in the West they teach history, and it has shown that there is no point in fighting the Russians head-on - it is both costly and you can lose; It’s much easier to take control of Russia through puppets or simply destroy it like a scoop.

    The Americans will strike, this is already clear, the clock is most likely counting. We will now observe the “heroic Iranian people”, apparently. But even there the song will be short, although with an almost 100% Shiite population, it is useless to rent militants from Sunni Al-Qaeda, which means they will play the card of the nuclear program, and will begin to destabilize with separatism - South Azerbaijan and the struggle of the opposition against the theocrats in power. In short, guess what, we’ll see soon.
  77. +2
    26 August 2013 00: 33
    A competent article is tough! That's how it should be! No time to think!
  78. +3
    26 August 2013 03: 29
    Russia, do not give Syria up to the Western dogs. If Syria wins this war, Russia will be in a large geopolitical and economic pole.