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Fabius went camping



Some kind of magical coincidence of dates again and again makes you think that the same directors are behind a variety of events. So, March is known as the month of aggression (Yugoslavia-1999, Iraq-2003, Libya-2011), October is the month of unconstitutional coups (Moscow-1993, Belgrade-2000). But 20-e of August - the time of large-scale provocations and fraud. Some of them led to serious, destructive consequences. In August, 1991 of the year, a group of people who tried to save the USSR were falsely declared “putschists” - and the real putschists put the country under the knife. In August, 1995 of the year - the Mercale market in Bosnian Sarajevo was fired upon - and the bombing of Serb positions began - a prelude to further aggression against Yugoslavia. Recent история - just two years ago, on the same August days, all the major TV channels showed Libyan "rebels" raging in Tripoli Green Square. Then it turned out that those shots were filmed in Qatar, and at this time NATO special forces acted in the present Tripoli, ruthlessly and coolly destroying all life, all resisting ...

And now - August-2013. Major provocation around the chemical weapons in Syria.

The commercials shown by the so-called "opposition" raise many questions. Some of them have already been exposed - they show people who recently died in the Al Fateh mosque in Egypt. But about other cadres, the opinions of the experts were divided. Even such an anti-Syrian television channel, Euronews, showed a statement by Stephen Johnson, a researcher at the Cranfield Institute of Forensic Medicine in the English City of Cranfield. He said the following: “On some videos, what is happening seems too realistic, as if the director had set this scene. This does not mean that we face fraud, but it is doubtful. So, some victims have foam on their lips. It seems to me too white, too clean. This does not correspond to the symptoms of damage to the internal organs, which was to be expected. In this case, the foam should be mixed with blood or bile. "

The expert added: “At this stage, everyone wants to hear a definite answer: whether or not the use of chemical weapons took place. But on the basis of the video data it is still premature to draw any conclusions. ”

Many say that on rollers, in addition to the dead people, allegedly from chemical weapons, quite lively people are visible - but they are without gas masks, even without respirators and masks. It is clear that if there were serious chemical hazards, they would be forced to use at least some personal protective equipment.

Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said the following about this:
“Government forces in recent days carried out active operations against militants in various directions, including in the eastern suburb of Damascus. Early in the morning of August 21 in this area from the positions taken by the militants, a self-made rocket was launched, similar to the one used by the 19 March terrorists in Khan Al-Asal, with an unidentified chemical poison. Reports of civilian casualties. "


Lukashevich’s commentary on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry also emphasized that “it looks a lot like attempts at any cost to create a pretext for putting demands on the UN Security Council to side with the opponents of Syria and thereby undermine the chances of convening the Geneva conference, which is scheduled for August 28. meeting of Russian and American experts.

The problem is that many eyewitnesses who were near the eastern suburbs of Damascus, completely deny the very fact of the use of chemical weapons. And where the videos presented by the “oppositionists” were made is unknown. After the mankind "passed" combined shots of the assault on Tripoli in Qatar, it would be naive to trust such "evidence" from the same forces.

Thus, the stuffing about the alleged "use of chemical weapons" by the Syrian army could have the following objectives:
1. To divert the UN commission to investigate the use of chemical weapons from its true work - check the facts of the use of a warhead with "chemistry" by the 19 militants in March 2013 in the Khan Al-Asal area of ​​Aleppo Province.
2. By informational provocations, to stop the successful offensive of the Syrian army on the suburb of Damascus Jobar, where the armed gangsters, constantly firing at residential buildings and other buildings of the capital with mortars, strengthened.
3. Attempt to disrupt the Geneva-2 peace conference on Syria, the preparation for which by the efforts of Russia is in full swing.
4. Once again, to discredit the Syrian leadership, accusing it of “killing civilians”, and to justify all the heinous crimes of “oppositionists” thugs.

So, with the videos provided by the "opposition", for the time being absolutely nothing is clear. But some NATO leaders are not waiting for any investigation and no conclusions. They pass their verdict themselves - on the basis of their own interests.

And the French Foreign Minister - the very same France, under the colonial yoke of which for many years was Syria - made a sharp statement in which it calls for brazenly trampling all the norms of reason and international law.

According to him, a “force reaction” is necessary. Burning with showy anger, Fabius refers to his meeting with the leader of the Syrian "opposition", the self-named "President of Syria" Ahmad Zharboy, who, naturally, has no doubt that the chemical attack was and calls upon the heads of his former compatriots - the Syrians - a hail of NATO bombs .

In the destruction of the Libyan Jamahiriya, it was France that played the “first violin”. Then the openly aggressive Nicolas Sarkozy was in power, who had his personal interest in Tripoli - he borrowed money from Gaddafi for his election campaign, and when it came time to pay the bills, he, as the most primitive thug, dealt with the creditor. At least, he took an active part in the incitement of the bombing of Tripoli - this new, as Gaddafi said, “crusade”. And it was the French aircraft that first began to bomb the Libyan cities.

Now the socialist Hollande is allegedly in power, who has built his campaign on criticizing Sarkozy’s rule. So what? His foreign minister, like the Gallic rooster, pricked his feathers and was preparing for the next "crusade" in the Arab region. Obviously, without the approval of Hollande, Fabius would not dare to say a word.

Not far behind Fabius and his Turkish counterpart Ahmad Davutoglu. He also calls on the thunder and lightning of the Syrians. And, of course, not in a hurry to wait for any results of the investigation. Naturally, how can an objective Turkey be - a country through which the main stream of bandits and weapons enters Syria? The country to which the wealth of the Syrian people is leaking - bread, equipment of looted factories, oil?

Davutoglu “forgot” how quite recently Erdogan’s regime brutally dispersed protesters in Taksim Square. More on the pavements did not cool down the blood of the dead demonstrators. Traces of chemical burns on the faces of the protesters have not healed yet - the Turkish police added chemical substances to the skin to the water from the water jets. Davutoglu closed his eyes on the crimes of his boss Erdogan, who used toxic gas against citizens on Taksime. And when Erdogan was asked a direct question about these atrocities, he cynically said: "The Turkish police successfully passed the democracy test."

Of course, one can say that the number of demonstrators killed by Erdogan is incomparable with the number of those killed, who are accused of killing the Syrian army. But then, the demonstrators in Turkey were peaceful. They did not take weapons into their hands, did not bombard residential buildings in Istanbul and Ankara with rocket-propelled grenades, did not capture cities and towns, did not blow up people in schools and offices, did not arrange monstrous mass slaughterhouses, such as, for example, the killing of 450 Kurds near Tel Abyad , on which both Fabius, and his chief, and transatlantic bigwigs successfully closed their eyes.

Today, Fabius and Davutoglu pass in front of an unknown examiner the very same “democracy test”. And who is the examiner? Isn't that the most faceless force that directed aggressions, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... Her name is the capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to count the number of stars in the sky.
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  1. Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 07: 50 New
    +8
    the masses love all sorts of mystical coincidences
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 24 August 2013 07: 56 New
      24
      Yes, what are the coincidences? and even more so mystical ... people with brains clogged with stamps and homosexual hawala everything that the Tanovskaya propaganda pours to them with the support of their Gayropei howls.
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 24 August 2013 11: 10 New
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        The West has grown weary of the blood it has drunk, vampires have lost not only a sense of justice, but also shame for their sins in front of people. I wish that they sow returned to them as a boomerang. Maybe then turn on the brain.
        1. tanit
          tanit 25 August 2013 07: 12 New
          +2
          No one will include brains. Yes, and they have no brains, only a thirst for blood. -
          1. EtickayaSila
            EtickayaSila 26 August 2013 11: 11 New
            +3
            No, dear, they just have brains! And these brains are very sophisticatedly and consistently leading their game, preparing the world for the next bloody redistribution. These are no longer jokes, not conversations and threats - these are concrete actions embodying a concrete plan for a new world war, and here it’s not up to the hat-tricking talk! No matter how scary it is to say it, but ... WAR ON THE THRESHOLD!
        2. Che
          Che 25 August 2013 22: 49 New
          +3
          Pin to Sy are drawing strength to Syria. These bloodsuckers do not care about other nations and countries. From now on, I will not regret at all if skyscrapers showered in pin dos tan. The evil empire must fall.
        3. Duelist
          Duelist 30 August 2013 15: 59 New
          0
          Do not hope, Sandov, they have a clinical case!
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 24 August 2013 08: 08 New
      +9
      The capitalists don’t care about all kinds of coincidences, etc., the main thing for them is to make a profit, they don’t give a damn to Syria, who will be there, who will be there, Assad is not pleased with them as an ally of Russia, they want to remove it in any way and get profit later, here’s how kites.
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 24 August 2013 10: 17 New
        +8
        US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel said the US Navy is maneuvering in the Mediterranean to be prepared in case President Barack Obama deems it necessary to launch military action against Syria.
        According to Hagel, the head of state asked the Pentagon to prepare several plans of operations in response to reports of the use of chemical weapons in the suburbs of Damascus.
        The US Department of Defense claims that the fourth warship is already deployed in the eastern Mediterranean. - bbc
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 24 August 2013 18: 10 New
          +7
          Today infa went that rat tunnels were found in tunnels near Damascus. So, gentlemen, the puppeteers do not stir up the water.
          1. 755962
            755962 24 August 2013 21: 44 New
            +5
            Quote: Sandov
            Today infa went that rat tunnels were found in tunnels near Damascus.

            More than 3 thousand patients with symptoms of chemical poisoning are in Syrian hospitals: 355 died
            Today it became known that traces of chemical weapons were found in tunnels in a suburb of Damascus. The army unit opened a tunnel in the small village of Jubar, where militants stored toxic substances. According to Syrian TV, several soldiers died from suffocation.
            “Military heroes entered tunnels where terrorists hide and found chemical weapons,” the Syrian television said. “Sometimes the soldiers began to choke.” Ambulances arrived in Jubar to rescue suffocating people. According to the latest information, government troops are preparing for the assault on Jubar, where the militants are located.


            http://russian.rt.com/article/14489
            1. Che
              Che 25 August 2013 08: 41 New
              +6
              755962

              And after all this, will the amers treat us? Nothing according to the second law of Boltzmann's thermodynamics, the amers are not eternal and they will disappear, but the villains have time to shed blood.
              1. dustycat
                dustycat 25 August 2013 14: 52 New
                +1
                Quote: Che
                Nothing According to Boltzmann's Second Law of Thermodynamics

                Actually, in some parts of the mattress this law is prohibited by local courts ...
    3. Oskar
      Oskar 25 August 2013 06: 52 New
      0
      Not even coincidences - patterns.
    4. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 25 August 2013 11: 53 New
      10
      "Асаду, видимо, не позавидуешь, но он пока держится, и это очень хорошо, потому что каждый день сирийского сопротивления означает ещё один день, подаренный России на подготовку к неизбежному. А в том, что неизбежное неизбежно, — если и не при Обаме, то при стоящих на низком старте «слонах», — уже можно не сомневаться: о том, что Россия в списке на первом месте, спикеры республиканцев — типа Ройса и МакКейна — говорят уже не намёками, а вполне откровенно.

      And it is already clear that the scenario will develop according to the Syrian model, with the creation of many instability points simultaneously in different regions of the federation, including Moscow, and the transfer of the plot to a “hot spot” phase, in which Russian nuclear weapons, which America is very afraid of, and Europe is panicky afraid, will not play any role, because no one is bombing their cities and regions - even rebellious ones - with nuclear bombs. And the West will come later, at the ready.

      So, is the situation hopeless? To the morgue?

      Of course not. There are recipes, pharmacists, the Kremlin has all the ingredients for making drugs, so stopping the development of the situation according to the worst-case scenario, or even turning the tide in your favor, is not too late, or even quite realistic. The list of necessary measures is more than obvious. But all this is feasible only under two basic conditions:

      (a) if there is political will, because having decided, you will have to break too much and change the basic rules of the game,
      и (б) если нет уже неких закулисных договорённостей, предполагающих развал России при соучастии российской элиты, как случилось четверть века назад с Советским Союзом." - кто - то должен остановить западных убийц.
      1. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 13: 17 New
        +3
        Ruslan correctly noted everything. The voice of the people must be heard. The elite will not hear or will not want to hear - it will be a massacre.
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  2. a52333
    a52333 24 August 2013 07: 55 New
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    I think (I hope) that the Russian Federation will find evidence of falsification of the film.
    To catch these directors, and their Oscars, Oscars! angry
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 24 August 2013 09: 47 New
      16
      And an Oscar to them ... opu. am
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 24 August 2013 13: 07 New
        +6
        Quote: novobranets
        And an Oscar to them ... opu. am

        Oscar will inflate?
        When? Before or after?
        wassat
        1. dmit-xnumx
          dmit-xnumx 24 August 2013 15: 26 New
          +3
          Inflate, but do not forget on him-Oscar-weld inch spikes!
        2. Bombowoz
          Bombowoz 24 August 2013 16: 08 New
          +4
          We will not inflate, but iron and across the oven.
        3. novobranets
          novobranets 25 August 2013 08: 47 New
          +2
          BEFORE ... And after, the maximum download, before the explosion. am
    2. nokki
      nokki 24 August 2013 10: 02 New
      +7
      Нет! Для таких "режиссеров" только Kent ( по классификации НАТО ) и только с ЯБЧ! Только так их и проймешь!
    3. nerd.su
      nerd.su 24 August 2013 10: 10 New
      18
      And now, while evidence is being sought, it would be good to conduct small joint exercises between our and the Chinese Navy in the eastern Mediterranean. Well, at least a boat from each fleet. To jointly repel an air attack, for example. And everyone would immediately understand that the film was shot simply to satisfy the Western man’s craving for horrors, and not as a provocation for the bombing of Syria.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 28 New
        +5
        Quote: bot.su
        And now, while evidence is being sought

        You forgot to quote the evidence.
      2. Professor
        Professor 24 August 2013 11: 39 New
        -39
        Quote: bot.su
        And now, while evidence is being sought, it would be good to conduct small joint exercises between our and the Chinese Navy in the eastern Mediterranean.

        1. The Chinese would have to teleport to the Mediterranean Sea.
        2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.
        3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

        PS
        Syria: Commission works-the number of victims is growing
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 24 August 2013 11: 57 New
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          Quote: Professor
          1. The Chinese would have to teleport to the Mediterranean Sea.

          Telepоrtiruyutsya. Last year, Chinese ships on the Black Sea visited Syria along the way, by the way. So there are no big problems, only time is needed, but there are a couple of weeks left. If you wish.

          Quote: Professor
          2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.

          This is not an indicator. In general, the use of chemical weapons just at the time the commission appeared appears very strange. Does Assad need it? But the one who is waiting for American help and the one who is eager to provide this help is very necessary!

          Quote: Professor
          3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

          Do Americans say they have a horde? And us!
          1. INVESTOR
            INVESTOR 25 August 2013 14: 39 New
            +2
            He’s a scoundrel, he’s a scoundrel, why did he see his flag on his comments ... it's like convincing the Americans to the contrary, ...
        2. lazy
          lazy 24 August 2013 12: 21 New
          17
          and in the photo there may well be children of Kurds or Alawites captured by Islamic ghouls, and then killed by them to bring as evidence. Chem attack at the time of arrival of the commission? Well, Poland was the first to attack Germany
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 13: 19 New
            -22
            Quote: bot.su
            Last year, Chinese ships on the Black Sea visited Syria along the way, by the way.

            If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

            Quote: lazy
            Does Assad need it?

            Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

            Quote: bot.su
            Do Americans say they have a horde? And us!

            The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.
            CBS News: Pentagon Develops Assad Missile Strike Plan From Sea

            Quote: lazy
            and in the photo there may well be children of Kurds or Alawites captured by Islamic ghouls, and then killed by them to bring as evidence.

            Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.
            1. DEfindER
              DEfindER 24 August 2013 15: 02 New
              +4
              Quote: Professor
              Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

              Well, at least you would write a motive for why the army do this? You can’t use it against militants, the effectiveness is 0, only you’ll poison the territory. Moreover, the torn shells with chemical filling shown in the video are similar to those found in militants in the liberated territories.
              Quote: Professor
              Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

              Of course, OM, the militants and poisoned.
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 August 2013 15: 31 New
                -24
                Quote: DEfindER
                Well, at least you would write a motive for why the army do this?

                What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities? request The press voiced a motive to show the West that in which case the hand does not flinch to use OM in large quantities and over long distances.

                Quote: DEfindER
                Of course, OM, the militants and poisoned.

                This let the investigating authorities understand who applied and what applied.
                1. 31231
                  31231 24 August 2013 18: 45 New
                  +6
                  Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 August 2013 19: 13 New
                    -11
                    Quote: 31231
                    Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?

                    can and clap. This option is being seriously considered.
                    1. 31231
                      31231 24 August 2013 20: 48 New
                      +6
                      Ogh, and whatever this happens, Israel will preempt and bomb it on enemy territory ?! How easily predictable and commonplace you are.
                  2. Revolver
                    Revolver 25 August 2013 05: 09 New
                    -7
                    Quote: 31231
                    Professor, if Assad and his warrior have such an unbroken and firm hand that they didn’t beat Israel in response to the bombings?

                    Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 25 August 2013 09: 12 New
                      -6
                      Quote: Nagan
                      Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.

                      Because they live in such a quarter, if you show weakness, they will score.
                      1. Che
                        Che 25 August 2013 13: 13 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Nagan
                        Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.


                        Quote: Professor
                        Because they live in such a quarter, if you show weakness, they will score.


                        To fight on two fronts? Syria has problems above the roof. By the way, created by Israel as well.
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 August 2013 09: 38 New
                      +8
                      Quote: Nagan
                      Because they know that Israel usually does not remain in debt and, as a rule, pays these debts with such percentages that it seems a little.

                      It was a long time ago and therefore not true.
                      1. Revolver
                        Revolver 25 August 2013 23: 12 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        It was a long time ago and therefore not true.

                        From the fact that it was relatively long ago, it did not become a lesser truth. The Great Patriotic War was even earlier, so, according to your logic, the victory of the USSR over Germany is also not true?
                        By my logic, on the contrary, what went down in history is not subject to revision.
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 August 2013 23: 32 New
                        +1
                        According to your logic, defeats in the Crimean and Russian-Japanese wars were impossible. After all, Napoleon was taken.

                        Actually, your statements in the Russian language have an excellent definition: hat-making.
              2. Akhtuba73
                Akhtuba73 25 August 2013 00: 03 New
                10
                Господина "Профессора" на сайте воспринимаю всегда как оппонента со здравым смыслом, хоть и не всегда согласен, но читаю до буквы. По этому вопросу категорически хочу возразить Профессору... Аргменты Ваши в ведро!
              3. DEfindER
                DEfindER 25 August 2013 08: 08 New
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities?

                Have you seen the explosions of these bombs? I personally watch the reports from Syria and see how air strikes are made on the positions of the militants, the explosions are powerful but they are single and, judging by the destruction, the usual TNT charges.
              4. Dovmont
                Dovmont 25 August 2013 08: 17 New
                +1
                By the way, Israel was the first to use vacuum bombs in cities in Lebanon in 1982, if that.
                1. Professor
                  Professor 25 August 2013 09: 30 New
                  -7
                  Quote: DEfindER
                  Have you seen the explosions of these bombs?

                  I saw and already uploaded videos three times.

                  Quote: Dovmont
                  By the way, Israel was the first to use vacuum bombs in cities in Lebanon in 1982, if that.

                  Maybe, but I have not seen confirmation of this.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 25 August 2013 09: 36 New
                    +6
                    Quote: Professor
                    I saw and already uploaded videos three times.

                    Good to compose. Syria simply has no vacuum bombs. And it never was.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 25 August 2013 10: 00 New
                      -10
                      Quote: Spade
                      Good to compose. Syria simply has no vacuum bombs. And never was

                      List of Syrian Air Force weapons in the studio wink
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 August 2013 10: 08 New
                      +6
                      This is not for me, this is for you. You claim that the Syrian army uses banned vacuum bombs. And that they allegedly saw a video with their application. And as the greatest specialist we determined that they are vacuum rather than conventional volume-detonating ones.
                    3. Professor
                      Professor 25 August 2013 10: 31 New
                      -8
                      Quote: Spade
                      And as the greatest specialist we determined that they are precisely vacuum, and not conventional volume-detonating ones.

                      And I thought that vacuum and volume detonating are synonyms. Enlighten, arrange an educational program, so to speak. I beg you.

                      Volumetric explosion ammunition (BWA, also known as thermobaric ammunition, vacuum bombs, space-detonating ammunition (ODB), the term fuel-air bomb is also used in English-speaking countries) - a type of ammunition that uses atomization of a combustible substance in the form of aerosol and detonation of the resulting gas cloud.
                    4. bask
                      bask 25 August 2013 10: 49 New
                      +9
                      Quote: Professor
                      Enlighten

                      Israel uses illegal chemical weapons.
                      ""Израильская армия призналась в использовании в ходе ливанской кампании зажигательных боеприпасов, снаряженных белым фосфором. Об этом сообщила в воскресенье газета "Гаарец".
                      Как заявил министр Яакова Эдри, отвечающей в правительстве Израиля за взаимодействие с парламентом, "армия обороны Израиля располагает различными видами фосфорных боеприпасов, которые применялись против военных объектов во время боев с "Хезболлах".
                      The Ha'aretz newspaper writes that during the war, the Dar al-Amad hospital in Baalbek received "three corpses with completely dried black-green skin", which is a characteristic sign of death from "white phosphorus".
                      Использование фосфорных боеприпасов ограничено третьим протоколом Женевской конвенции «О запрещении или ограничении применения конкретных видом обычного оружия», сообщает NewsRu.com.""[media = http: //www.niros.ru/news/12259.html]
                    5. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 August 2013 13: 13 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      Volumetric explosion ammunition (BWA, also known as thermobaric ammunition, vacuum bombs, space-detonating ammunition (ODB), the term fuel-air bomb is also used in English-speaking countries) - a type of ammunition that uses atomization of combustible substance in the form of aerosol and detonation of the resulting gas cloud.

                      Википедия рулит? Там ничего не написано про то, что порох и гексоген это тоже синонимы? Кстати, термин "топливо-воздушная" очень точно показывает суть "вакуумной" бомбы.

                      Or maybe you don’t know the difference between burning and detonation?
                    6. Professor
                      Professor 25 August 2013 16: 05 New
                      -7
                      Quote: Spade
                      Wikipedia drives?

                      I ask on my knees, I beg, enlighten and explain how the vacuum bomb differs from the volume detonating one. Pliz, pliz, pliz.

                      Will this work or am I not reading there?
                      Volume Explosion Ammunition (Thermobaric)
                    7. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 25 August 2013 17: 18 New
                      +4
                      Quote: Professor
                      Will this work or am I not reading there?
                      Volume Explosion Ammunition (Thermobaric)

                      Also does not suit. Because thermobaric ammunition and voluminously detonating ammunition are also completely different ammunition. And the device and the action.
                      А "вакуумные", сиречь "топливно-воздушные"- это уже третьи. В отличии от термобарических и объёмно-детонирующих они относятся к зажигательному оружию, потому как для их инициирования необходима искра, а не детонация. Грубо- они горят, а не детонируют. Как пары бензина в бензобаке, если попытаться со спичкой проверить уровень топлива в нём.
                    8. fzr1000
                      fzr1000 25 August 2013 21: 16 New
                      +4
                      The false professor turned out to be an ordinary amateur. Hee hee
                    9. Professor
                      Professor 25 August 2013 22: 03 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      Also does not suit.

                      So they are not satisfied with educational program. Give materiel, links, etc.
                      for example:
                      B O P P I R S A O S B Y O M N O G O V Z R S IN A.
                      In volumetric explosion ammunition (vacuum bomb), mixtures of methylacetylene, propadiene and propane with the addition of butane or a mixture based on propylene oxide (ethylene) and various types of liquid fuel are used.
                      http://lemur59.ru/sites/default/files/images/0482.jpg

                      VOLUME EXPLOSION AMMUNITION

                      Vacuum bomb is the country's strongest non-nuclear weapon

                      Vacuum bomb: principle of action
                      A vacuum bomb is a volume-detonating aerial bomb. It was created on the basis of the effect of a volume explosion of dusty gas and dusty clouds.
                    10. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 00: 18 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Professor
                      So they are not satisfied with educational program. Give materiel, links, etc.

                      Professor, you apparently cannot distinguish fire from detonation. Here the materiel must be given with whole textbooks.

                      И ещё: больше не употребляйте термин "вакуумная бомба". Такой не существует. И объёмно-детонирующие, и термобаррические, и даже "вакуумные" сиречь топливо-воздушные давления не понижают. Наоборот, ещё как повышают.
                      And I look for links too lazy. For a very simple reason: in Google, the first few pages gave the same amateurish results as those that you submitted. For a very simple reason: there are a lot of amateurs, and specialists are specialists because they don’t upload explosives on the Internet.

                      Little educational program:
                      Fuel-air. Creating a cloud of a combustible mixture (gas, dust, aerosol) with an expelling charge → arson fuel-air mixture initiator.

                      Volumetric detonating. Creating an Explosive Cloud → detonation initiating explosive charge.

                      The processes are similar, but the first refers to incendiary weapons, and therefore it can not be used in settlements, and the second is a simple bomb of increased power.

                      Well, thermobaric ammunition is generally a separate song. It all starts with detonation. Initially, an explosive with a high detonation velocity, then an expanding explosive with a low. In this case, in the best case for the enemy, metal powders, for example aluminum powder, are added to a paste with explosives with a low detonation velocity to increase the temperature at the front of the shock wave, and in the worst case, also combustible substances
                    11. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 10: 57 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Professor, you apparently cannot distinguish fire from detonation. Here the materiel must be given with whole textbooks.

                      Вы хотябы ссылочку или страничку с учебника где объясняется различие "именно вакуумные, а не конвенциональные объёмно- детонирующие" и "термобарические боеприпасы и боеприпасы объёмно детонирующие также абсолютно разные боеприпасы".

                      И ещё: больше не употребляйте термин "вакуумная бомба". Такой не существует

                      Да что вы говорите? Помнится кто то интересовался не перепутал ли я "именно вакуумные, а не конвенциональные объёмно- детонирующие". Сдается мне на сленге "вакуумная бомба" и есть "объёмно- детонирующая". Так их исторически называют не смотря на избыточное давление при взрыве.

                      Quote: Spade
                      And I look for links too lazy. For a very simple reason: in Google, the first few pages gave the same amateurish results as those that you submitted. For a very simple reason: there are a lot of amateurs, and specialists are specialists because they don’t upload explosives on the Internet.

                      So you scan from a textbook or something, or the principle of action volume detonating AKA vacuum The bombs are top secret? But what about this? Amateur?
                      Colonel-engineer V. Dmitriev "Foreign Military Review", No. 9/1983.
                    12. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 11: 16 New
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Colonel-engineer V. Dmitriev "Foreign Military Review", No. 9/1983

                      Great link. Which you, as usual, have not read yourself.

                      emergence burning with the formation of a shock wave propagating at a supersonic speed.
                    13. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 11: 26 New
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                      Quote: Spade
                      Great link. Which you, as usual, have not read yourself.

                      I, as usual, read articles to the end. It turns out not only amateurish articles on the topic on the network. wink
                      Waiting for you to explain the difference.
                      Quote: Spade
                      that they are vacuum rather than conventional volume-detonating ones.
                      Was there a boy? laughing

                      PS
                      How could I miss this? wassat
                      Subsequently, the whole world witnessed how the Zionist aggressors, with the direct support of Washington, trying to achieve their aggressive goals, used the most barbaric means of struggle during the brazen invasion of the territory of sovereign Lebanon.
                    14. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 11: 41 New
                      -1
                      The difference lies in the principle of action.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Fuel-air. Creating a cloud of a combustible mixture (gas, dust, aerosol) with an expelling charge → ignition of the fuel-air mixture by the initiator.
                      Volumetric detonating. Creating a cloud of explosive → detonation with an initiating explosive charge.

                      Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?

                      Ну а насчёт вашего применения зажигательного оружия в населённых пунктах Ливана- это действительно было нарушением 3 протокола "Конвенции о запрещении или ограничении применения конкретных видов обычного оружия"
                    15. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 12: 05 New
                      0
                      Quote: Spade
                      Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?

                      Well, they froze stupidity, with whom it does not happen ... So admit it. Why get out?
                      Quote: Spade
                      И ещё: больше не употребляйте термин "вакуумная бомба". Такой не существует.

                      You will never find links describing the differences between the so-called vacuum and volume detonating bombs. Because there is NO difference between the two, these are one and the same thing only in terms of scientific and worker-peasant names. And burning with detonation has nothing to do with it.

                      Quote: Spade
                      Ну а насчёт вашего применения зажигательного оружия в населённых пунктах Ливана- это действительно было нарушением 3 протокола "Конвенции о запрещении или ограничении применения конкретных видов обычного оружия"

                      For your information, in order to violate the protocol of the convention, you must first sign it, there were no attacks like signing and there was no violation. Are they so? wink

                      "В августе 1999 года в период агрессии Чечни против Дагестана на дагестанский аул Тандо, где скопилось значительное число чеченских боевиков была сброшена крупнокалиберная бомба объемного взрыва. Захватчики понесли огромные потери. В последующие дни одно только появление одиночного (именно одиночного) штурмовика СУ-25 над каким либо населенным пунктом заставляло боевиков спешно покидать аул. Появился даже жаргонный термин "Эффект Тандо"
                    16. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 12: 16 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Quote: Spade
                      Do you really don’t understand what is the difference between burning and detonation?
                      Well, they froze stupidity, with whom it does not happen ... So admit it. Why get out?

                      Well, do you understand the difference, or not? I need a simple yes-no answer. Do you understand the difference between combustibles and explosives? I need a simple yes-no answer.

                      Quote: Professor
                      For your information, in order to violate the protocol of the convention, you must first sign it, there were no attacks like signing and there was no violation. Are they so?

                      Did Syria sign it? I hope so, otherwise it will turn out that you are outraged that the neighbor is doing what is normal for your country.
                    17. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 12: 21 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Well, do you understand the difference, or not? I need a simple yes-no answer. Do you understand the difference between combustibles and explosives? I need a simple yes-no answer.

                      Yes, I understand the difference, I read it at my leisure. Now is your turn, the same AKA, a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?

                      Quote: Spade
                      Did Syria sign it? I hope so, otherwise it will turn out that you are outraged that the neighbor is doing what is normal for your country.

                      Actually, I was not even interested in signing or not. Israel does not use vacuum bombs in its cities with civilians. I used it in Lebanon, but never even in Gaza.
                    18. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 12: 41 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      Yes, I understand the difference, I read it at my leisure.

                      Perfectly. Now we are comparing two American bombs. The first is BLU-73 which takes place Ignition aerosol cloud of ethylene oxide. The second is GBU-43 / B MOAB, in which detonation aerosol clouds of a liquid mixture of ammonium nitrate and aluminum powder.

                      Do you understand the fundamental difference between the first and second? Do you understand that the first is fuel-air, and the second is volume-detonating?

                      I used it in Lebanon, but never even in Gaza.

                      Мне поискать в фотографиях с "литого свинца" характерные грибовидные облака после взрыва, или сами найдёте?
                    19. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 12: 45 New
                      0
                      Now you simply and honestly answer a simple question: is the same AKA a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?
                    20. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 13: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      Now you simply and honestly answer a simple question: is the same AKA a vacuum and volume detonating bomb?
                      Of course not. One lights up, the other detonates.

                      The only thing in common is that they are bombs.
                    21. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 14: 03 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Of course not. One lights up, the other detonates.

                      The only thing in common is that they are bombs.

                      All clear. Since you are unable to confirm your words (moreover, you say that there are no vacuum bombs -И ещё: больше не употребляйте термин "вакуумная бомба". Такой не существует), then I consider the question closed.

                      Quote: Professor
                      You will never find links describing the differences between the so-called vacuum and volume detonating bombs. Because there is NO difference between the two, these are one and the same thing only in terms of scientific and worker-peasant names. And burning with detonation has nothing to do with it.

                      hi
                    22. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 14: 27 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      All clear. Since you can’t confirm your words

                      Обождите, разве ложь о том, что правительство Сирии применяло "вакуумные" бомбы принадлежит не Вам?

                      The burden is on you. To prove that they were applied, to prove that they generally exist in nature.
                    23. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 14: 32 New
                      +1
                      Yes, I’m not talking about this, but about the fact that the AKA turns out to be a vacuum bomb and a volume detonating bomb are two different things, and the first does not exist at all ... laughing
                      For today, I already laughed, that's enough.
                    24. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 14: 42 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      For today, I already laughed, that's enough.

                      Why? Since you were caught on lies and incompetence? There is no need to laugh. I outlined the materiel to you, you even know that detonation and burning are two different things. Well, now you need to prove your statement:

                      Quote: Professor
                      What is the motive of vacuum and cluster bombs in cities?

                      Waiting for facts applications vacuum ammunition by the Syrian authorities. We will deal with cassette tapes later.
                    25. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 14: 59 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      I outlined the materiel to you, you even know that detonation and burning are two different things.

                      No dear, you did not describe the materiel, but lied. Either you have all amateurish articles, then there is no vacuum bomb, etc. We have reached the materiel, more and more your gag. You were able to confirm your words that AKA vacuum bombs and conventional volume-detonating are two different things. Well, throw at least one source for such a definition. One. Pliz, pliz, pliz.
                      As soon as I drop you a video using a vacuum bomb in residential areas in Syria.

                      Quote: Spade
                      We will deal with cassette tapes later.

                      I can imagine these disassembly fueled by sources of information. I am already crying. crying

                      PS
                      So are there vacuum bombs or not? wink
                      Briefly, military, yes or no.
                    26. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 26 August 2013 15: 13 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Professor
                      No dear, you did not outline the materiel, but lied.

                      Disproved, what's the problem.


                      Quote: Professor
                      Then you have all amateurish articles

                      But what about the articles lumping together volumetric explosion ammunition, fuel-air, volumetric detonating, and even thermobaric, and putting an equal sign between these ammunition that is completely different in structure and effect?
                    27. Professor
                      Professor 26 August 2013 15: 23 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      Disproved, what's the problem.

                      Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against you and I consider you a good specialist in many areas. Unfortunately, there are very few of them. However, in this case, Be is wrong. Well, you can’t always be right. A vacuum bomb, or if you want an AKA, a vacuum bomb and a volume detonating bomb is the same and there is not a single source (except you) refuting it.

                      Quote: Spade
                      But what about the articles lumping together volumetric explosion ammunition, fuel-air, volumetric detonating, and even thermobaric, and putting an equal sign between these ammunition that is completely different in structure and effect?

                      Не все статьи "одинаково полезны". Поверьте мне, я перечитываю сотни статей еженедельно и иногда выпадаю в осадок от тех перлов, что там встречаю. Например как выгорает кислород в объемном взрыве. Оказывается кислород может окисляться... Кстати не только в рускоязычном секторе такое встречается. Тем не менее, та же статья из Зарубежного военного обозрения которую я Вам привел заслуживает внимания, а автор уважения. И назвать её дилетантской язык не поворачивается.
  3. dustycat
    dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Professor
    And I thought that vacuum and volume detonating are synonyms. Enlighten, arrange an educational program, so to speak. I beg you.


    And this must be explained to your colleagues from across the Atlantic Ocean.
    They shared these concepts.
  4. bask
    bask 25 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    Weapons list

    During the 20-day operation, Cast Lead. In the Gaza Strip, against the Hamas movement, the Israeli army used new aerial bombs with fragments invisible in R-rays.
    "" Военный эксперт правозащитной организации Human Rights Watch считает, что необычные ожоги, обугленные конечности и повреждения внутренних органов указывают на использование израильской армией боеприпасов именно с такой секретной взрывчаткой.При этом, в отличие от традиционных боеприпасов.Внутри тела пострадавших отсутствуют осколки, а на поврежденных органах имеются мелкие пылеобразные частицы.наряд представляет собой кожух из углеродистого волокна заполненный вольфрамовым порошком и взрывчатыми веществами. При срабатывании боеприпаса вольфрам разогревается до очень высоких температур и вызывает у раненых сильнейшие ожоги, а в тело попадают микроскопические металлические частицы, вызывающие поражение и кровотечение внутренних органов. """
    http://www.arms-expo.ru/050055049057124054050056051.html
  5. The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 25 August 2013 21: 56 New
    0
    Профессор, согласно имеющимся в открытом доступе и изученным мной источникам, армия САР не использует "вакуумные" бомбы, они же боеприпасы объёмно-детонирующего взрыва.
    Если это не так, прошу предоставить не сомнительные ролики каких-то взрывов, которые "совершенно случайно" снял находившийся рядом представитель террористов с камерой, зачем-то снимавший именно этот дом именно в это время, а простую ссылку на номенклатуру вооружений сирийской правительственной армии, где такие боеприпасы значатся как стоящие у них на вооружении.

    List of Syrian Air Force weapons in the studio
    -
    As you know, Syria is actively operating the Su-24 bomber
    Here is a list of weapons of the Su-24:

    4 UR of the class "air-surface" M-23 or X-23M


    4 UR of a similar class X-25MR / ML


    2 anti-radar UR M-28


    up to 3 UR M-29L / T air-to-surface class


    2 UR "air-radar" X-31P


    2 anti-radar UR X-58U / E


    2 UR "air-surface" X-59


    up to 6 blocks UB-32 for 32 57-mm NURS S-5


    up to 6 B-8M blocks of 20 80-mm NURS S-8


    up to 6 B-13 blocks of 5 122 mm NURS S-13


    4 240 mm NURS S-24


    4 340 mm NURS S-25


    4 adjustable bombs KAB-500L / KR


    2 adjustable bombs KAB-1500L / TK


    34 100-kg FAB-100 aerial bombs


    30 250-kg air bombs FAB-250


    9 500-kg FOB-500M54 / M62 bombs


    7 incendiary bombs ZB-500Sh / DG


    6 volume detonating air bombs ODRB-500P


    8 RBC-250 one-time bomb cassettes


    4 single-shot RBK-500 bomb cassettes


    7 universal containers KMGU


    3 suspended gun mounts SPPU-6 with 23 mm six-barreled guns 9A-620 or 9A-768 with ammunition of 500 rounds


    2 3000-liter and 1 2000-liter PTB


    up to 4 short-range missiles R-60 for self-defense against an air opponent

    Show me the volume-detonating ammunition here. After all, you stated that the SAR Air Force uses them in civilian ways? The name of the ammunition, and the proof that it is in service with the Syrian Air Force, in the studio.
    Сомнительные ролики, с заявлением "а ето рванул именно вакуумный боеприпас", попрошу не выкладывать - так как ваша ценность как эксперта в такого рода заявлениях равна нулю.
  6. Professor
    Professor 25 August 2013 22: 18 New
    -1
    Quote: Injun Joe
    If this is not so, please provide non-dubious videos

    Already twice provided, look in my comments.

    Quote: Injun Joe
    Сомнительные ролики, с заявлением "а ето рванул именно вакуумный боеприпас", попрошу не выкладывать - так как ваша ценность как эксперта в такого рода заявлениях равна нулю.

    And I’m still waiting for when the topic finally appears in which you will sparkle with your knowledge ... probably I won’t wait. sad

    PS
    Quote: Injun Joe
    Show me here volume detonating ammunition.

    Do you again have a split personality or do you not read your own mine-pastes?
    Quote: Injun Joe
    6 volume detonating bombs ODRB-500P


    Learn materiel !!!
  • bask
    bask 25 August 2013 11: 34 New
    +5
    Israel, with airstrikes on the territory of Syria. Used depleted uranium bombs.
    ""06.05.2013 | 08:39
    Сирия обвиняет Израиль в том, что он в последних авианалетах использовал боеприпасы с обедненным ураном. ""[media=http://www.isra.com/news/161747]
    Portal ISRAland - Israeli news.
    1. Che
      Che 25 August 2013 13: 23 New
      +9
      Basque.
      Israel has taken the path of crime and violence. And there is no excuse for him. They saw the branch on which they sit with their own hands. People will remember everything at x-hour.
      1. bask
        bask 25 August 2013 14: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Che
        . People will remember everything at x-hour.


        I agree.
        You can’t fight against the entire Muslim world.
        Sooner or later, Israel will collapse under the onslaught of a billion Muslims.
        And the United States, merge it with a clear ,, Amerov’s conscience ,, !!!
        Pan.prof is silent, there is probably nothing to say. More correctly, the arguments have ended.
        Conclusion: Israel, the state is a terrorist.
      2. Rider
        Rider 25 August 2013 15: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: bask
        You can’t fight against the entire Muslim world.


        but you can argue with that.
        the fact is that the current situation of the war of all against all in the BV is very beneficial to Israel.
        look, there are already two countries, strong in the military sense, Egypt and Syria, almost withdrawn from the foreign policy game with Iraq in which it looks like their own war begins, there are already 3 of these countries.
        there is also Jordan and the UAE, but they have a strictly pro-American policy, which means they will not go against Israel.
        It remains to deal with Iran, and voila - Israel (with the support of the US and Turkey) - the owner of the BV.
        and to fight with poorly armed savages he is not used to.
        Well, since gas was discovered on the shelf near Israel, Lebanon, and Syria, this war has also become profitable.
        not to mention supporting your own defense industry
        Quote: bask
        Conclusion: Israel, the state is a terrorist.

        but you can’t argue with that
        bombing other countries only on the basis of the ASSUMPTION that they have weapons threatening their country, this is how to kill a neighbor because he keeps his kitchen knives ground.
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  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 24 August 2013 15: 31 New
    +8
    Quote: Professor
    If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

    May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China, and now the more so, tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

    Quote: Professor
    Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

    What are you! Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation? I now think that this was a terrorist initiative prompted from the Washington Regional Committee.

    Quote: Professor
    The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.

    Причём тут шапки? Основная сложность конфликта с Россией для США - это то, что мы в конечном итоге можем начать кидаться "шапками", которые производит Воткинский завод. Поэтому одного корабля хватит, чтобы заставить задуматься о последствиях. А планы пусть разрабатывают себе, бумага всё стерпит.

    Quote: Professor
    Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

    So no one argues. If terrorists and the United States are interested in using chemical weapons in Syria, then they should not have problems with this. Some provided, others applied, all dumped on Assad. And then cannibals, as luck would have it, are not in the ranks of the government army ...
    By the way, according to recent reports, government troops seized chemical weapons in an underground tunnel, which was recaptured from the Basmachi. So 1: 1.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2013 15: 39 New
      -14
      Quote: bot.su
      May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China, and now the more so, tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

      Who pays for the girl and dances her. The billions of dollars are donated to Egypt not by China, but by the United States.

      Quote: bot.su
      Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation?

      I’m not sure that Assad controls the situation at all.

      Quote: bot.su
      Основная сложность конфликта с Россией для США - это то, что мы в конечном итоге можем начать кидаться "шапками", которые производит Воткинский завод

      laughing Manufacturer and supplier of oil and gas and industrial equipment, household and household goods, goods for children, ...
      Are you alluding to the ICBMs? Well, yes, a nuclear apocalypse will arrange the Kremlin for Assad. fool

      We will wait for the conclusions of the commission. hi
      1. nerd.su
        nerd.su 24 August 2013 16: 01 New
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        Quote: Professor
        Who pays for the girl and dances her. The billions of dollars are donated to Egypt not by China, but by the United States.

        Yes, you live yesterday.
        Chinese money will allow Egypt to “give up loans and aid,” the official said. But China wants to win back the lost billions in Libya and gain a foothold in the priority rights to pass through the Suez Canal - traditionally they belonged to the United States. This privilege is especially attractive to the Celestial Empire, which needs to protect its investment in the Mediterranean and Black Seas. Given the increased tension around the Iranian nuclear program, all of these tripartite steps seem to be consistent.

        And if you look, then the trend is visible, China has reached such a level of relations with all African, and not only countries, that hardly any of the official rulers will decide to refuse it. In Africa, China everywhere has difficulties only with various terrorists and other bandits supported by the West. Here it is, democracy ...

        Quote: Professor
        I’m not sure that Assad controls the situation at all.

        Ну, террористов вообще мало кто контролирует. Если вспомнить 11 сентября, то даже у "гегемона" с этим проблемы. Доигрались с Аль-Каидой.

        Quote: Professor
        Manufacturer and supplier of oil and gas and industrial equipment, household and household goods, goods for children, ...

        Ну да, у нас в России с Советских времён так, на заборе написано "x..", а на самом деле дрова. what

        Quote: Professor
        Well, yes, a nuclear apocalypse will arrange the Kremlin for Assad.

        Well, this is an extreme option, but you should always remember about it. The Germans in 1914 also did not think that such a mess would be brewed because of the Serbs, but more than 20 million people were killed and 50 million were wounded. And, by the way, the massive use of weapons of mass destruction, available at that time. So you need to think about the consequences. It’s not Assad’s business, but in principle.
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 August 2013 16: 07 New
          -4
          Quote: bot.su
          Chinese money will allow Egypt

          China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

          Quote: bot.su
          Well, this is an extreme option, but you should always remember about it.

          I do not believe!!! When Lavrov’s daughter returns from London for permanent residence to Russia, when the Russian elite abandons their real estate in the West, etc., even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov 24 August 2013 18: 11 New
            +9
            Quote: Professor
            China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

            America and for nothing?
            fool
            Professor, you drive.
            laughing
            1. Professor
              Professor 24 August 2013 18: 16 New
              -4
              The United States, which sponsored the peace treaty, pledged, for its part, to facilitate its implementation by Egypt. For 1979 alone, the total economic assistance to Israel and Egypt amounted to 7,3 billion dollars [4]. Since then, Egypt has received US military assistance annually in excess of 1,3 billion dollars, and the total amount of assistance that the US Agency for International Development has since provided to Egypt in developing infrastructure, agriculture and health care exceeds 28 billion dollars. Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent from 1986 to 2008 a year to help the Egyptian private sector import US goods [5].
              For free, in the sense of it is not necessary to return.
            2. nerd.su
              nerd.su 24 August 2013 18: 48 New
              +7
              Quote: Professor
              For free, in the sense of it is not necessary to return.

              Sorry for the comparison, the prostitute also does not need to return the money, but this does not mean that she receives them for nothing. She fulfills the wishes of the client.
              Better to borrow, I think.
            3. Suhov
              Suhov 24 August 2013 19: 35 New
              +1

              A bear gave Senechka money (2 min 45 sec) and gave the house (2 min 31 sec).
              It seems like for nothing (you don’t need to return them),
              but the interest and benefit of the Jap is obvious.
              yes
              So again:
              - For nothing?
              - Behind the barn!

              laughing
            4. dustycat
              dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Professor
              In 1979 alone, the total


              Much water has since flowed.
              And China is already the second largest economy in the world.

              Quote: Professor
              Hundreds of millions of dollars were spent from 1986 to 2008 to help the Egyptian private sector import US goods


              Yep ...
              The usual cut of the state budget of mattress and Egypt.
              By the way ended with the landing of Mubarak.
              And now what?
              A few thousand zapopisty Russian tourists - manna from heaven for Egypt's entire GDP ?!
              So the headquarters of several million real yuan already this year entered Egypt to reconstruct railway tracks - not another Chinese warning from the 1970s.
        2. nerd.su
          nerd.su 24 August 2013 18: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: Professor

          China promises, and America pays - feel the difference. And not loans (they still need to be repaid), but for nothing.

          Если Китай обещает, то он платит, китайцы знают цену обещаниям и что такое "потеря лица". Хотя это не всем дано понять. Кроме того, прагматичность китайцев такова, что во всех своих кредитах и инвестициях они, по желанию принимающей стороны, закладывают немалую коррупционную составляющую и не спрашивают, куда делась часть выданных средств. В отличие от американских "демократов"
          America pays less and less, in July, for example, fighter jets ceased to be delivered and generally thought, the counter-revolution, however, overthrew the elected president.

          Quote: Professor
          I do not believe!!! When Lavrov’s daughter returns from London for permanent residence to Russia, when the Russian elite abandons their real estate in the West, etc., even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.

          Yes, please do not believe what you want. But:
          Russian landowners and bourgeoisie also preferred Europe, and Germany in particular, to World War I;
          in 1913, Germany's share in Russia's foreign trade was 38,2%.
          And nothing, it didn’t hinder to cling in general out of the blue. And the daughter of Lavrov ... The danger in the event of a global war is the same, both in Russia and in England. She still has to go to Paraguay or to the south of Chile.

          Of course, I also do not want to think that the biggest technological disaster will happen because of Syria. But if the states strike in Syria, then we will have to answer. And it is not known how far this will go ...
          So yes, we will rely on common sense and the UN hi
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 19: 16 New
            -7
            Quote: bot.su
            Если Китай обещает, то он платит, китайцы знают цену обещаниям и что такое "потеря лица".

            Distinguish between words and deeds. China is promising, while the US is already paying.

            Quote: bot.su
            But if the states strike in Syria, then we will have to answer.

            Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.
          2. nerd.su
            nerd.su 24 August 2013 19: 46 New
            +9
            Quote: Professor
            Distinguish between words and deeds. China is promising, while the US is already paying.

            "В настоящее время Китай является одним из самых активных инвесторов в экономику Египта. Всего было инвестировано более 276 миллионов долларов на протяжении нескольких последних лет. Созданы 927 совместных предприятий с совместным капиталом более 370 миллионов долларов. В прошлом году объем товарооборота между Египтом и провинцией Гуандан превысил 1,2 миллиарда долларов."

            ""Учитывая текущую ситуацию в Египте, мы полагаем нецелесообразным продолжать поставки F-16 в это время", — заявил Литтл. Он отметил, что данное решение было единодушно поддержано всеми экспертами по национальной безопасности, входящими в команду президента США Обамы."

            You have it.

            Quote: Professor
            Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.

            Did Putin tell you this in a secret conversation? Nobody bothers him quickly to make PMCs legal, who want to combine a dislike for the states and there are many good earnings. And there is no political risk for the Kremlin, these are not conscripts.
          3. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 19: 56 New
            -9
            Quote: bot.su
            Currently, China is one of the most active investors in the economy of Egypt. In total, more than 276 million dollars have been invested over the past few years.

            276 million over the past few years? The United States has presented over a billion greens in the past year alone.

            Quote: bot.su
            Did Putin tell you this in a secret conversation?

            This has been the case since the 1990 year in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya and indeed everywhere. Saddam was hanged, Muammar was lynched and there was no nuclear war. Asad will be hanged and nothing will happen.
          4. nerd.su
            nerd.su 24 August 2013 20: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: Professor
            276 million in the last few years?

            for 2010, in my opinion. And we are talking about one Chinese province.
            Quote: Professor
            The United States has donated more than a billion greens in the past year alone.

            So what? The gift brook begins to dry up.

            Quote: Professor
            Asad will be hanged and nothing will happen.

            The situation in Russia is such that if Putin surrenders Assad, then Putin himself may be overtaken by the fate of Saddam or, rather, Gaddafi. He points now only in foreign policy can gain. In the inside, his face was fed up.
          5. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 20: 15 New
            -5
            Quote: bot.su
            So what? The gift brook begins to dry up.

            When it runs dry then we'll talk.

            Quote: bot.su
            The situation in Russia is such that if Putin surrenders Assad, then Putin himself may be overtaken by the fate of Saddam or, rather, Gaddafi. He points now only in foreign policy can gain. In the inside, his face was fed up.

            You are a prankster however. The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus? laughing
          6. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 20: 26 New
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus?

            No, the fate of Israel is being decided there. The direct intervention of the USA and Europe in the conflict means the beginning of the end for your state.
          7. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 20: 39 New
            -10
            Quote: Spade
            No, the fate of Israel is being decided there. The direct intervention of the USA and Europe in the conflict means the beginning of the end for your state.

            laughing Their gut is thin.
          8. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 20: 45 New
            +5
            Кишка у ваших тонка. Достаточно было окрика из Европы, чтобы Израиль быстренько начал толерантно относиться к "реактивщикам" из Сектора Газа.

            You do not have as many hydrocarbons as Arabs have. And therefore, it is very likely that you will be merged for the sake of Qatar or the SA.
          9. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 20: 49 New
            -7
            Quote: Spade
            Кишка у ваших тонка. Достаточно было окрика из Европы, чтобы Израиль быстренько начал толерантно относиться к "реактивщикам" из Сектора Газа.

            Well yes? Israel has been in Gaza for decades. Stop eating. More precisely fed. No one planned to re-occupy Gaza. The salt will not be merged, what will happen to Israel is decided only in Jerusalem and certainly not in Damascus, Moscow or Brussels.
          10. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 16 New
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            Stop eating. More precisely fed.

            C'mon, they kicked you out of there, and not the Palestinians, but the Europeans and the Americans.
          11. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 21: 27 New
            -8
            Quote: Spade
            C'mon, they kicked you out of there, and not the Palestinians, but the Europeans and the Americans.

            Yeah, the Europeans imposed the exchange program on Sharon. laughing
          12. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 33 New
            +4
            А кто, палестинские подростки с "оружием пролетариата"? Не смешите мои тапочки.
          13. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 21: 38 New
            -3
            Quote: Spade
            А кто, палестинские подростки с "оружием пролетариата"? Не смешите мои тапочки.

            You have already made me laugh. Tired of feeding a million parasites, that's the whole deal. From the West Bank, the Americans and Europeans did not drive Israel? It suddenly became weak, or are they somehow not consistent?

            PS
            Have you seen oil prices? wink
          14. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 55 New
            +6
            "Хватит кормить Кавказ"??? Профессор, Вы меня удивляете...

            Quote: Professor
            From the West Bank, the Americans and Europeans did not drive Israel?

            Almost driven away. Not only that, they participate in financing the Palestinian National Authority. So the process is going on.
          15. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 22: 05 New
            -7
            Quote: Spade
            Almost driven away. Not only that, they participate in financing the Palestinian National Authority. So the process is going on.

            Now my shoelaces are laughing. Remember the Madrid Conference, the Oslo Accords, the negotiations between Barack and Arafat. The Arabs of the territory in exchange for peace have always been offered, but they refused. Agree to receive the territory and the conditions of Israel, not Europe or the United States.
          16. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 23: 20 New
            +3
            My laces are laughing. From such uriapatriots like you.

            Quote: Professor
            Agree to receive the territory and the conditions of Israel, not Europe or the United States.

            Yeah ... Baroness Catherine will come, face you in the puddle, and everything will be on the conditions of Qatar and the Saudis.
          17. Professor
            Professor 25 August 2013 08: 33 New
            -4
            Quote: Spade
            My laces are laughing. From such uriapatriots like you.

            I have never noticed urapatriotism behind me. Thank you for enlightening.

            Quote: Spade
            Yeah ... Baroness Catherine will come, face you in the puddle, and everything will be on the conditions of Qatar and the Saudis.

            What is verbal diarrhea? Let's be more specific. Who made Israel go to the Madrid Conference, sign the Oslo Accords, and finally leave Gaza? Please, no lunges and with facts, unless of course you have information. Or for example, who now forced Israel to go to the next round of negotiations with the Palestinians (hint-demography).
  • Dazdranagon
    Dazdranagon 26 August 2013 08: 45 New
    0
    "что будет с Израилем решается только в Иерусалиме" - вы хотели сказать в Вашингтоне. laughing
    Yes, I understand, my fingers popped off.
  • tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 25 August 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    So many thought before you, and as history showed, they were usually mistaken.
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 24 August 2013 20: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: Professor
    When it runs dry then we'll talk.

    Or maybe when it dissolves in the Chinese river ...

    Quote: Professor
    You are a prankster however. The fate of Putin and All Russia is decided in Damascus?

    Well, I like to joke smile But the question you are not raising is this. Putin’s fate is now largely decided in the arena of foreign policy. And a considerable influence on it (Putin’s fate) can be exerted by the answer, especially its absence, to US intervention in the conflict in Syria. Although our scout will be able to get out here, the KGB still smile
    And what are we all about Putin. Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, can such a person start a war? laughing
  • Dovmont
    Dovmont 25 August 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    China has already lost its billions invested in Libya and Tunisia. And meekly. What will stop him from losing his billions in Egypt?
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 25 August 2013 12: 21 New
    +1
    Безропотно? Это же китайцы, учитывайте разницу культур. "Если долго сидеть на берегу реки, то вы увидите проплывающий труп своего врага" - какая то такая у них поговорка. Что им роптать, они всё запомнили.
    By the way, even their patience with attempts by the West to throw them in Africa ends. Chinese troops, while in the UN missions are in the DRC, Liberia, Sudan and Mali. A couple of decades will pass and the Chinese aircraft carriers and UDC will return the billions invested in Libya and Tunisia with interest. And you speak meekly.
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 13: 26 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Shout and calm down. The Kremlin does not intend to receive two hundredths for Assad.


    Amer apparently intends to get 200, well, the road is there for them.
  • alone
    alone 25 August 2013 15: 35 New
    +4
    Do you think the American soldiers will go to the bayonet? They will hit with precision weapons, no contact battle. The American military will enter Syria when nothing threatens
  • dustycat
    dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 27 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    even then no one will arrange the end of the world for Assad.

    Do you vouch for overseas comrades ?!
    You are either very brave or very stupid.
    Слово "глупый" к Вам не вяжется.
    Most likely they just got excited.
  • Akhtuba73
    Akhtuba73 25 August 2013 00: 15 New
    +4
    "ботан.су", все, что я хотел произнести, Вы уже опубликовали... Благодарю за Ваш труд в момент моей ленности. ++++
    The Professor is wrong in this thread!
    1. El13
      El13 25 August 2013 12: 53 New
      +2
      He knows that he is wrong, but he is at work ... today it has become obvious.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 August 2013 13: 53 New
        +2
        fulfills 30 silverfish?
      2. Professor
        Professor 25 August 2013 16: 07 New
        -3
        Quote: tilovaykrisa
        fulfills 30 silverfish?

        Are you paying me?
      3. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 25 August 2013 16: 49 New
        +2
        But is it worth it?
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 25 August 2013 13: 21 New
    0
    Thank. And, apparently, we, who think so, are not few drinks
  • dustycat
    dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

    Do not earn a few million yuan on this ?!
    Such then they are not Egyptians and not Arabs.
    And yet you are not from Israel - you should know better about your genetic brothers.
    And then there is Gibraltar. There, too, there is someone the yuan will not hurt.
    1. nerd.su
      nerd.su 25 August 2013 17: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: dustycat
      And then there is Gibraltar. There, too, there is someone the yuan will not hurt.

      Gibraltar is far and long, but true, free. But if so, then there is the Northern Sea Route, the inland waterways of the Russian Federation and the Bosphorus with the Dardanelles. Turkey is unlikely to mind, after all, the strait is not a canal. The yuan will definitely not hurt us. You can even, as allies, with a big discount smile
  • dustycat
    dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

    Here it is.
    TOO WHOLE. For sarin.
    I don’t know about you, but in the army of the USSR they taught the symptoms of exposure to OM.
    It should be much worse - a strong internal subcutaneous hemorrhage. Cyanosis should be, streaks and bruises around the eyes.
    It is more likely that the children were locked in some kind of room and put in exhaust from several clunkers.
  • Tersky
    Tersky 24 August 2013 15: 09 New
    +9
    Quote: Professor
    2. Assad does not yet allow the UN commission to the area of ​​intended use of chemical weapons. The commission sits in a hotel in Damascus and awaits permission.

    Oleg, hi ! You know, I’m still inclined to believe the sources ...UN, August 19. / Corr. ITAR-TASS Oleg Zelenin. UN chemical weapons experts began work in Syria. This was announced today to reporters by the Secretary-General of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon.
    -
    And the latest news on the use of CW in Syria: 14: 09: 24.08.2013 MOSCOW, August 24 - RIA Novosti. Syrian authorities on Saturday announced the discovery of chemical weapons in the positions of militants, Reuters reported with reference to Syrian state TV.

    The report states that the Syrian troops discovered chemical weapons in the militants' tunnel, while some soldiers suffered from the strangulation of chemical substances.

    "Военные при входе в туннели боевиков видели химическое вещество. В некоторых случаях солдаты пострадали от удушения, когда заходили в туннели Джобара. К месту происшествия была вызвана медслужба, чтобы спасти тех, кто задыхался", — цитирует агентство сообщение сирийского ТВ.

    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 25 August 2013 07: 18 New
    +6
    If Islamists win in Syria, Israel will be their first target
  • Dovmont
    Dovmont 25 August 2013 08: 14 New
    +6
    Что то у всех "погибших" кожные покровы телесного цвета! У трупов землистый цвет кожи. Следов ранений ни на одном "трупе" не видно, значит это "отравленные" хим.оружием. Тем более цвет их кожи должен быть иным, как минимум синюшного цвета из за тканевой гипоксии. Положение тел свободное, расслабленное, без признаков посмертной контрактуры мышц - то же "минус" постановщикам. Ну, если вы тупоголовые неучи, что для потомков погонщиков верблюдов естественно, так пригласите на съёмки экспертов, не заставляйте доктора Геббельса краснеть за вас в аду!!!
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +3
    Professor.

    Rats at the behest of puppeteers kill civilians without disdaining to use chemical weapons. Hitler during the Second World War did not dare to apply it. And these pigs are not afraid of anything, of course, with such patronage. Amer bear the same responsibility for the actions of their students - rats.
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 17: 44 New
    0
    Professor.
    3. Obama decided to strengthen the military group in the eastern Mediterranean, so to speak, just in case.

    You sacredly believe in the infallibility of amers. The right word is ridiculous to expect from the puppeteers of humanity.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 August 2013 22: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Che
      You sacredly believe in the infallibility of amers. The right word is ridiculous to expect from the puppeteers of humanity.

      God forbid. They are sinful above the roof.
  • The Indian Joe
    The Indian Joe 25 August 2013 22: 03 New
    +2
    Doesn't it seem strange to you that a missile launch from areas controlled by militants has been noted?
    Doesn’t it bother you that in the photo and video the symptoms of use are either absent or unconvincing (for example, some have white foam instead of yellow or red, characteristic of poisoning with sarin, which damages internal organs, there is no vomiting, tremor, etc.)?
    You do not mind that the provocation was carried out Soon after the arrival of UN inspectors to the country, who just had to investigate the use of agents? Yes, even in an area that is traditionally pro-Assad, and almost all under the control of government forces that cope with bandits and so on?
    1. atalef
      atalef 25 August 2013 22: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: Injun Joe
      Doesn't it seem strange to you that a missile launch from areas controlled by militants has been noted?

      I am all the same who applied it and honestly I wish them to apply it as much as possible, moreover, by both sides, but we will be honest.
      If in Syria there is a chemical weapon (and it has one), then how did the militants get it (and therefore can emerge altogether anywhere in the world and in the Caucasus, among others) So Assad (or rather legal authority) had to at least arrange proper security.
      The fault is indisputable already
      Further in Damascus, everything is so intertwined that you never know who started it and where it came from, all the more since it is unfounded. someone fixed the trajectory? How do they even know where they let

      Quote: Injun Joe
      Doesn’t it bother you that in the photo and video the symptoms of use are either absent or unconvincing (for example, some have white foam instead of yellow or red, characteristic of poisoning with sarin, which damages internal organs, there is no vomiting, tremor, etc.)?

      It’s not worth it to affirm what you don’t know. Moreover, to retell the words of unknown experts. Until the type of gas is established, talk about the symptoms and how they should look early.
      There are a huge number of victims (hundreds), they say, it’s probably not difficult to establish the cause of death (like time)

      Quote: Injun Joe
      You do not mind that the provocation was carried out Soon after the arrival of UN inspectors to the country, who just had to investigate the use of agents

      I am even more confused that Assad has not allowed inspectors to the place where it was used for 5 days, WHY? He’s got cards in his hands, and maybe because in 12 hours the sarin practically disappears
      Zarin belongs to the group of unstable OM. In the drip-liquid form, the resistance of sarin can be: in the summer - several hours, in the winter - several days
      . and leaves no residue? And for some reason, some chemicals were found very quickly (even with a photo) with the statement that it was a chemical. weapons. I don’t know which suicides kept him in plastic canisters, where he was stolen from (I’m sure that it was stored in at least standard containers) and where (more precisely, in what light are those people who poured it into these cans. What kind of nonsense is that?
      I have never seen poisonous BVs stored in cylinders wildly like oxygen (150 atmospheric), although everyone knows that sarin (and it is claimed that it was used)
      Represents
      methyl fluorophosphonic acid isopropyl ether, a colorless and odorless liquid; mixes in all respects with water and organic solvents.

      it is a liquid; it is not stored in pressure cylinders.
      Half truth is worse than a lie.
      1. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 22: 57 New
        0
        Tremble the Arabs, the West declared a crusade. Here is terrorist number 1 in the world. Do not look in Tora Bora. Here they are darlings drawn on the horizon.
      2. alone
        alone 25 August 2013 23: 04 New
        0
        chemical weapons are stored in special containers, and not in such containers. gas has the ability to fade with time, maybe experts are not allowed to go there, but it’s stupid anyway, because traces still remain. Anyone who has seen an oxygen cylinder explosion will confirm my words that it’s very dangerous and the bearded Use these cylinders like a bomb. But the fact that Assad is responsible for the storage of chemical weapons is more than true.
  • aviator_IAS
    aviator_IAS 26 August 2013 00: 35 New
    +2
    Assad is squeezing ub-people, and now they will go to any crime, so that the Amers would have reason to intervene. They use the last chance. The frame also understands this. Otherwise, most likely there will be no chance to get into Syria.
  • AVV
    AVV 24 August 2013 15: 19 New
    +1
    I think that Oscar on the head ??? And the West always likes to shift all problems from a sore head to a healthy one !!!
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 24 August 2013 07: 56 New
    17
    Провокация чистейшей воды! Подумаешь сотней - другой оппозиционных душманов и моджахедов из бомжей, набранных в злачных местах восточных базаров, стало меньше, не велика потеря, наймём ещё...но зато они "пали ради великой идеи "дерьмократизаци"! А громкие крики об атаке ОВ помогут в неразберихе и втянуть войска в боевые действия серьёзные армии в войну за свержение неугодного Западу и Израилю АСАДА. Потом истина всплывёт...НО ЭТО БУДЕТ УЖЕ ПОТОМ!!! Боржоми питьуже будет поздно. А сейчас нужно дать повод!
    По другому обстрел "самопальной" ракетой пригорода Дамаска назвать нельзя. Нужно быть совсем "больным на голову", что бы в момент прибытия комиссии ООН по расследованию фактов применения ОВ применить их. АСАД и правительство СИРИИ этим не страдают, они в здравом уме.
    And Russia will not allow a repeat of LIVIA ... not Medvedev in power.
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 24 August 2013 08: 06 New
    +1
    vultures prepare to feast
    1. elmi
      elmi 25 August 2013 21: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      vultures prepare to feast

      Because our authorities weakly defend Syria. Under the USSR, they would not even have dreamed of bombing Syria. If they don’t deliver C-300 directly, they are afraid of fighter jets and other defensive weapons, not to mention offensive ones. If our current government allows NATO’s attacks on Syria and B. Assad’s fall in power, the people will finally understand that we have Western proteges in disguise as Russian patriots. The people will not believe the next excuses for power, that we could not do anything like it was in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, and now the turn seems to come to Syria and Iran.
  • Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 08: 10 New
    +5
    if the production according to the script, then you won’t get away from the templates, and the directors love all sorts of coincidences, etc. etc.......
  • Ulysses
    Ulysses 24 August 2013 08: 43 New
    13
    This Fabius would walk ... in the forest.
    Together with directors like:
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 12: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Ulysses
      This Fabius would walk ... in the forest.
      Together with directors like:



      I advise you to get acquainted http://oko-planet.su/fail/failvideo/videopolitik/187415-kak-bandity-iz-cru-delay
      ut-revolyuciyu-v-sirii-avtorskiy-film.html

      Please note that 2 of 3 videos have already been deleted.

      HERE IS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND DEMOCRACY IN ACTION.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER 24 August 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Rider
        I advise you to read http://oko-planet.su/fail/failvideo/videopolitik/187415-kak-bandity-iz-cru-delay
        ut-revolyuciyu-v-sirii-avtorskiy-film.html note that 2 of 3 videos have already been deleted.

        There is not yet everywhere removed, here is the link (A very interesting dock movie):
        http://picets.livejournal.com/195714.html
        1. Rider
          Rider 24 August 2013 16: 42 New
          0
          Quote: DEfindER
          http://picets.livejournal.com/195714.html


          and you can specify another source?
          otherwise, in our KZ, the Zheshka does not open.
          1. ICT
            ICT 24 August 2013 19: 08 New
            0
            try through such crap, it should open

            http://anonymouse.org/anonwww_de.html
        2. Ulysses
          Ulysses 24 August 2013 16: 59 New
          0
          Thanks for the link.
        3. Proud.
          Proud. 24 August 2013 17: 23 New
          0
          Quote: DEfindER
          (Very interesting dock movie):

          Thanks for the link. I looked. But Iblises are serpent-speaking, liars x ..... oh! A sentence to them is one on a birch. Oh yes! In Syria, birches do not grow ... Then, on a palm tree.
      2. builder
        builder 24 August 2013 18: 23 New
        0
        This video link has been deleted.
        1. Ulysses
          Ulysses 24 August 2013 18: 55 New
          0
          Лишний раз убедился, кто командует на "ютюбах" разных.
          On command, all reliable information is deleted.
          1. dustycat
            dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Ulysses
            Лишний раз убедился, кто командует на "ютюбах" разных.
            On command, all reliable information is deleted.


            If you sometimes listen to the news, you should be aware of how much Google and Yahu received from the CIA and the State Department.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 24 August 2013 08: 57 New
    +4
    from the Don.
    August! Last month of summer. And how many events this month: Builder’s Day, US Coast Guard, Ukraine’s apiary, Airborne Forces! By the way, today is Ukraine’s Independence Day! And everything else that happened this month is a coincidence!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ! By the way, today is Ukraine’s Independence Day!

      Веселый "праздник" laughing
      1. Indigo
        Indigo 24 August 2013 11: 05 New
        11
        Somehow 12 million people living in Ukraine were blown away into the unknown. Devastation and hopelessness. Sadly, but naturally ...
    2. Akhtuba73
      Akhtuba73 25 August 2013 00: 25 New
      0
      Thank you very much for the Builder's Day! Not the theme of the site, but ...
      1. dustycat
        dustycat 25 August 2013 15: 46 New
        +1
        Quote: Akhtuba73
        Thank you very much for the Builder's Day! Not the theme of the site, but ...


        How is that?
        And those warriors-animals who do not give out weapons other than shovels according to yours when they celebrate their day ?!
  • Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 24 August 2013 08: 59 New
    20
    Yes, Syria did not use chemical weapons!

    Assad is not a suicide!

    Let me give you an example, it may not be very good: Hitler and the Nazis did not use chemical weapons for military purposes. They were afraid of a retaliatory strike.

    And here, by the way, those who shout the most about chemical weapons in Syria dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities and poisoned Vietnamese with pesticides.
    1. ivshubarin
      ivshubarin 24 August 2013 12: 08 New
      +9
      And in Iraq, depleted uranium shells were used.
      1. Rider
        Rider 24 August 2013 13: 03 New
        +4

        Enot-poloskun
        And here, by the way, those who shout the most about chemical weapons in Syria dropped atomic bombs on Japanese cities and poisoned Vietnamese with pesticides.
        Quote: ivshubarin
        And in Iraq, depleted uranium shells were used.



        Well, they can.

        it is the same DEMOCRACY.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 09: 16 New
    17
    You still forgot to say that these people are mocking the civilian population in Iraq and Afghanistan. And they shoot at civilians in the same countries, monitor the Internet for half the world's population, violate half of their own constitution, violate international laws, encroach on private, personal life and infringe on human rights. They still dare to talk about democracy and are trying to force their Sodomite laws into other peacefully living countries, bringing strife, death and violence there. am
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER 24 August 2013 15: 26 New
      15
      They still dare to talk about democracy and are trying to force their Sodomite laws into other peacefully living countries, bringing strife, death and violence there.

      I constantly make sure that those countries that are the most distant from democracy are those who shout about it most of all, a geyropa, and sysh. Recently in the news they said that in Germany they put in prison the father of a girl who did not come to a sex education class, because they were disgusting to her. Yes, it would seem wild even for the Nazis in their most repressive period .. And is it their democracy? Yes, I would be better off in Zimbabwe if only I could not live in such a democracy.
      And by the way, the truth about that chemical attack in Syria:
      1. Sandov
        Sandov 24 August 2013 18: 17 New
        +6
        Definder +++
        The Syrian army is wetting Amer’s rats, well, glory to Allah. Our Marat Musin is beautiful, honor and praise be to him.
        1. GREAT RUSSIA
          GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 18: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: Sandov
          The Syrian army is wetting Amer’s rats, well, glory to Allah. Our Marat Musin is beautiful, honor and praise be to him.

          I fully agree with you and Definder bold plus
      2. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 08: 53 New
        +3
        Definder.

        How would it convey to such as a professor. Man does not want to see the truth, sorry. Now the main thing is not to allow the Natofascists to destroy the people of Syria.
  • solomon
    solomon 24 August 2013 09: 16 New
    14
    От обычного сценария "демократизаторы" пока не отказались. Действия продолжаются. Россия уже внесла большие коррективы в этот сценарий. Лишь бы не на пол пути...
    Цепочку "революций" надо оборвать!!!
  • kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 24 August 2013 09: 18 New
    16
    Сценарий прежний и действующие лица те же!Но ожидаемого результата не будет господа провокаторы,хватит накушались по самую крышу. Пора бы охладить горячие головы поставкой С-300 в Сирию,сразу отпадет желание разбомбить!Как говорил "выдающийся" знаток русского языка В.С.Черномырдин:"...если у вас чешутся руки-чешите в другом месте!"
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    Who put so many minuses?
    1. nokki
      nokki 24 August 2013 09: 45 New
      +7
      Some Neksel from Israel. It can be seen that you, comrades, are not in good condition!)))
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 24 August 2013 10: 09 New
        13
        Quote: nokki
        Some Neksel from Israel. It can be seen that you, comrades, are not in good condition!)))

        The Jews really want to receive the support of Russia in the Middle East, contrary to common sense.
        They even created a special division of Judotrolls in the network to promote their Russophobic interests, but they still have no success.
        Velmas are dumb, dumb, and ignorant. Only minor tricks they succeed.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 41 New
          +4
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Only minor tricks they succeed.

          Only financial, then windbreak
        2. Neksel
          Neksel 25 August 2013 12: 32 New
          -5
          Quote: Corsair5912
          The Jews really want to receive the support of Russia in the Middle East, contrary to common sense. They even created a special division of Judotrolls on the network to promote their Russophobic interests.


          And in what healthy mind such ideas can be born?
          you yourself are not funny then? (rhetorical)
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 40 New
        +9
        Quote: nokki
        Some Neksel from Israel

        He loves the United States and does not love those who do not like the lies of the United States.
        1. Neksel
          Neksel 25 August 2013 12: 23 New
          -4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: nokki
          Some Neksel from Israel

          He loves the United States and does not love those who do not like the lies of the United States.


          does not love those who love lies.
      3. Neksel
        Neksel 25 August 2013 12: 35 New
        -6
        Quote: nokki
        It’s evident that you are not comrades


        Да нет, с "Товарищами" как раз никаких проблем, личности здесь ни при чем. а вот с некоторыми идеями и высказываниями - да.
        Well, for this and the cons, everyone has the right to their opinion.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 August 2013 09: 40 New
    +8
    Today, Fabius and Davutoglu pass in front of an unknown examiner the very same “democracy test”. And who is the examiner? Isn't that the most faceless force that directed aggressions, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... Her name is the capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to count the number of stars in the sky.

    There are no crimes that the capitalist will not commit for the sake of profit.
    Why are the Yankees and Euros killing people in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya and other countries and spending huge amounts of money on the production of weapons and the maintenance of armies?
    Ради того, чтобы овладеть мировыми запасами энергоресурсов, чтобы вся эта жирная свора педиков, наркоманов, алкоголиков, недоумков и психов в "цивилизованных" странах содержала свои жирные задницы в комфорте, катала их в автомобилях и обогащала капиталистов торговцев бензином и оружием.
  • Zhylaw
    Zhylaw 24 August 2013 09: 48 New
    11
    Or maybe the time has come to really use any weapon, including chemical, to cleanse Syria from garbage sent here to the United States and its NATO puppets.
    Western media are somehow dependent and will not stop with all this propaganda.
    Разве это не время, чтобы привести их в цепях нескольких заключенных "борцов за демократию", и предстать перед судом в Москве? Существует достаточно доказательств в преступлениях против человечности.
    In addition, cannibalism, as far as I know, is considered a crime all over the world.
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 13: 30 New
      +9
      Quote: Zhylaw
      In addition, cannibalism, as far as I know, is considered a crime all over the world.


      Your information is out of date.

      "смерть миллиона детей, достаточная цена за установление демократии" М.Олбрайт госсекретарь США
      (quote not verbatim)

      and now the fun part.
      TRY TO FIND ONLINE ORIGINAL of this statement.
      IT IS NOT, only references to references in different articles.
      так же можете поискать её заявления про "Сибирь должна пренадлежать всему человечеству" (под "всем человечеством" подразумевается конечно США)

      Does anyone else doubt the information war?
      1. Neksel
        Neksel 25 August 2013 12: 40 New
        -6
        Quote: Rider
        and now the most interesting. TRY TO FIND ONLINE THE ORIGINAL OF THIS APPLICATION. IT IS NOT


        Yeah. not. Maybe because this has never been expressed, but it was invented specifically for uryapatriotic publications.
        1. Rider
          Rider 25 August 2013 15: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Neksel
          Yeah. not. Maybe because it’s never been expressed and invented.



          Yes, yes, we are aware of this FSE fiction Anglo-Zionist and other phobes.

          you also try to find the phrase M. Thatcher about the fact that in Russia is ENOUGH 15 MILLION POPULATIONS

          did she even say this?
          1. Neksel
            Neksel 26 August 2013 11: 26 New
            0
            Quote: Rider
            you also try to find the phrase M. Thatcher about the fact that in Russia there are Enough 15 MILLION POPULATION is it really that she pronounced?


            I don’t know about this. Maybe I didn’t.
            ИМХО, разумнее руководствоватся принципом "Бритвы Оккама",
            than to think up complicated conspiracy mechanisms and conspiracies.
    2. alone
      alone 24 August 2013 17: 17 New
      +5
      if you believe that the chemical weapons are not used by Assad, and around this duck an unimaginable sensation has already been raised, do you know what will happen to Syria and Assad if he uses chemical weapons? After that even Russia will not be able to save him. They will destroy the whole country with the earth! ! fool
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 August 2013 09: 51 New
    +9
    NATO has already prepared for operations from sea and land. The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased. They may not directly work on the territory, but they will hold them with missile volleys. And the world community will swallow the campaign again ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: Zomanus
      The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased.

      I recall an article about how the appearance in the Mediterranean Sea caused the entire 6 US fleet to be dumped and komenty like Amera pissed, URAAA. So you sit on the light and think, XM request
    2. alone
      alone 24 August 2013 23: 19 New
      +1
      it will be enough to start rocket attacks with tomahawks from ships. Moreover, from a very decent distance so that the RCC does not reach
      1. ankh-andrej
        ankh-andrej 25 August 2013 21: 13 New
        0
        it will be enough to start rocket attacks with tomahawks from ships. Moreover, from a very decent distance so that the RCC does not reach

        Почему то не покидает ощущение, что сирийцы даже не сумеют воспользоваться имеющимся в распоряжении ПБРК "Бастион". А если и выкатят на позицию то не смогут его прикрыть от возможного поражения. Опускаю сейчас характеристики по дальности этого комплекса, но по крайней мере он бы помог отодвинуть корабли на более дальнее расстояние от береговой линии, что ограничило бы возможности по нанесению ударов с помощью морской авиации.
    3. Che
      Che 25 August 2013 08: 59 New
      0
      And ours will do what? Watch how the Nazis destroy the people of Syria. Customize your fleet, and not let them tear the country to pieces.
      1. alone
        alone 25 August 2013 15: 39 New
        -1
        fool I wrote that Syria is not worth starting the third world because of it
        1. Che
          Che 25 August 2013 17: 55 New
          0
          Quote: lonely
          fool I wrote that Syria is not worth starting the third world because of it

          It turns out that Amers should start the 3rd World War. How to stop her and save the people of Syria from destruction. As in the countries of the Maghreb and Yugoslavia.
          1. alone
            alone 25 August 2013 22: 13 New
            0
            what is the third world? after 2mv there were dozens of conflicts that were much wider in scope than the Syrian conflict. even then both countries were engaged only in actively helping the warring parties. one participation of Soviet pilots in the Korean conflict would be enough to start this whole kirdyk to the world, but even then they didn’t do it. do you think it will do it after all Syria is already in ruins?
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 09: 56 New
    13
    Believe me, if all representatives of different peoples and religions, people living in this great country, together try to return to that former greatness, then Russia will easily surpass the USSR, and these amer geyropos understand this and therefore poke us here and this fifth column and these liberals we and our country the only force capable of stopping all this arbitrariness in this world. These Westerners did not have long to live in their Sodomite world one day, we will take them down soldier
  • Rus2012
    Rus2012 24 August 2013 09: 57 New
    12
    gallic rooster


    ... Galician Five crows crowed? The specimen is spotty-rainbow-lurid ...

    Well, well, apparently it's time for Ivanushka to wake up on the stove ...
    knead the body, try on a cudgel ...
    Put on a clean shirt, like our ancestors before righteous deeds
    There will be a battle like ...
  • zol1
    zol1 24 August 2013 10: 12 New
    +7
    Only the destruction of the United States, as a militant empire, will give the world a sigh and quietly develop! I think it’s not necessary, especially at the present stage to prove that America is an EVIL threatening humanity!
    1. Sergey47
      Sergey47 24 August 2013 14: 40 New
      +4
      Moreover, evil is universal in scope. And (what a coincidence) evil is black. Everything is written right. Dark forces .... and the black devil. Barack - this is the Antichrist!
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Zomanus
    NATO has already prepared for operations from sea and land. The rotation of ships from the Mediterranean ceased. They may not directly work on the territory, but they will hold them with missile volleys. And the world community will swallow the campaign again ...

    Let them get ready, let this garbage called the world community stall, we will not give Syria without a fight anyway, they will have to learn the taste of our S-300s and our power and the taste of our bayonets soldier
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 24 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +6
    "К возможному военному вмешательству в Сирии готовятся США. По данным СМИ, в ближайшие дни Пентагон представит планы президенту Обаме.

    После сообщений о предполагаемом применении в Сирии химического оружия США начали подготовку к возможному военному вмешательству. Как сообщает в субботу, 24 августа, агентство dpa, военные актуализируют имеющиеся планы. "В настоящее время уточняется и обновляется список целей, по которым могут быть нанесены воздушные удары", - заявил телеканалу CNNвысокопоставленный сотрудник американского министерства обороны. По его словам, не исключается применение крылатых ракет. Усиливается также военное присутствие США в Средиземном море. К находящимся там военным кораблям присоединится еще один эсминец." - DW

    Американские, израильские и прочие ки не отступятся, видимо войне быть. Не прокатит эта провокация, "сделают" другую. Теперь все зависит только от России и Китая, только эти две страны могут остановить альянс "зла".
    1. Asgard
      Asgard 24 August 2013 13: 36 New
      -16
      Ну Russia it won’t stop, that's for sure ...
      China implements the policy of transnational corporations ...
      We have the Minister of Defense wears Masson medal on a lace(так что "привязан")) и именно Он "предал" his country back in 199 ... year ...
      and what is there, Syria ... games and escalation of hysteria ...
      Vladimir Vladimirovich needs to worry about his own security ...
      ФСОшникам по "мордам уже надавали" в африке негры)))
      in October ....


      В Китай "левиты" перевели все производства- со всего мира, может кто то думает, что товарищи из КПК проводят "политику" в интересах своего желтого народа)))
      There is a game, nationalities and states in it are exchangeable pawns ....
      How can a production story in Hollywood affect the fate of the people of SYRIA. ??
      It turns out that when everyone plays their Roles ...
      "плохие" хорошо играют свои-даже несмотря, что в октябре их все равно убьют)))
      "хорошие" играют плохо....но кому ЭТО интересно....
      Народы жуют жвачку "ОРБИТ"))))

      It can stop Commander of the Russian Ship с Ядерными Зарядами и умным электронщиком на борту позволившим обойти "защиту" управления пуском...
      Главное, чтобы Кто то играл по своим "правилам"...
      Then there is a chance to change something in OCTOBER))))))
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 24 August 2013 15: 10 New
        +2
        I do not understand why this video what
        1. Renat
          Renat 24 August 2013 18: 23 New
          +3
          I don’t know what this video is for, but the presenter looks a lot like EBN.
        2. alone
          alone 24 August 2013 22: 36 New
          +6
          the mine leader got drunk with surrogate vodka of a large amount)))))))))) wassat
  • Suhov
    Suhov 24 August 2013 10: 36 New
    +2
    And who is the examiner?
    Is it not that faceless force that directed aggression, coups and provocations in the USSR, Serbia, Bosnia, Iraq, Libya, and now in Syria? And this power is not just people. Her name is not just Fabius, Davutoglu, Erdogan, Clinton, Bush, Hollande, Sarkozy, Obama ... her name is
    capital,
    ruling ball and killing so many people that it’s impossible to count, just as it is impossible to calculate the number of stars in the sky.


    The cause of all wars is the desire of Capital, and everything else is justification.

    We are mistaken when we believe that if we deal with the causes, we can influence the cause.
    There the opposition in Syria used chemical weapons, and the West still need, preparation for war continues at full speed. It turns out that chemical weapons are not a reason, but just an excuse for starting a war.

    We are also mistaken because it is so arranged:
    We think one thing
    we say - different,
    and we do - the third ...

    The irrepressible desire to eat, eat and eat again. The desire to Eat everything and everything from a certain, limited by mind and conscience, a limited number of subjects, which people can be called people, for the above reasons, the language does not turn.
    Кстати в просторечии, вышеуказанных субъектов почему-то называют "капиталом".
  • Xroft
    Xroft 24 August 2013 10: 56 New
    +5
    The question is different, after the specific successes of the Syrian army, silence again sets in ... Our media (namely ours) talked about the fact that the war is already over, it remains to finish off the border regions, and now a new round is beginning that makes all the mess go on (again, battles near Damascus). ... The question is when will the war really be over? Only after the intervention of one of the superpowers or a bunch of allied states. And the stuffing is already beginning that the Israeli and American special forces are participating in Syria, etc. etc. And what will Russia do when Sochi begins? (less than half a year is left before the Olympics) Drain Syria? Without concrete action in the next six months it will be so.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 August 2013 11: 02 New
    +5
    Her name is capital, the ruling ball and killing so many people that it is impossible to count, just as it is impossible to calculate the number of stars in the sky.
    Thirst for profit at all costs .. As aptly noted .. !!! I remember dreaming of being a flight designer then .. Trash driver .. Now it's another time .. First, young businessmen wanted to become officials now .. Someone is a martyr .. In short, blood is deceiving .. (at any cost) it is being grinded to us (our children) around the clock. . !! Take everything from life ... (and don’t think about anything))) they’ve probably already thought of you .. It's scary to watch it all .. (((Now the wave went LGBT is something unimaginable .. What’s going on in the world how to protect our children from this .. ?? How can they explain ?? Will have to fight .. I don’t see another way .. (I’m more and more convinced of this ..) soldier
  • wax
    wax 24 August 2013 11: 03 New
    +3
    In the XVI — XVII centuries. 6 million people arrived in America, of which 60% were slaves. Black slaves who worked on plantations of tobacco, rice, and indigo were imported from Africa. Under the law, slaves did not have any rights and property. Although the southern colonies were the most profitable per capita (including slaves), all income went to their master.

    In 1830, the United States passed a law on the resettlement of Indians. The administration of President A. Jackson expelled from the states of Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida their indigenous inhabitants - teal, Choctaw, Chicago, screams and seminolos.

    http://www.usinfo.ru/c4.files/1917russiagallery.htm
    American occupiers in Russia, 1918

    The US is nostalgic for the past, now with weapons of mass destruction.

    Fate in the future is determined by the past. Evil must be destroyed, otherwise our future can be clearly read in past tablets.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 11: 05 New
    +2
    I think the war has not ended yet, it has only begun despite the fact that there is a split in the ranks of the Syrian opposition and the geyropos are not idle if they attack Syria, Assad’s armies will not last long without our help
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 August 2013 11: 24 New
    +5
    Right now, Abamushka spite Putin, hit Syria, in revenge for the so-called Snowden. Dog.
    1. 31231
      31231 24 August 2013 11: 33 New
      +2
      The hammer will break. If now part of the close-sighted Sunnis against Assad, then in case of intervention they will all be on the side of Syria. We need to throw more beeches, arrows and needles into Iran, so that the NATO would not think enough. It’s also nice to throw dots. Officially, Assad has them.
  • wax
    wax 24 August 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    http://www.usinfo.ru/c4.files/1917russiagallery.htm
    The Yankees, along with the Japanese, “served” the concentration camp and radio station set up there on the Russian island that was created in those years. Those tortured in the camp were drowned next to the island separately and by whole barges, tying their hands with barbed wire.

    There is evidence that after the intervention left, one of the divers, working at the flooded facilities near the Russian island, came across one of these barges, inside which "stood like living, connected people." Shocked by what he saw, the diver went crazy ...
  • 31231
    31231 24 August 2013 11: 39 New
    +3
    In general, in the event of aggression, NATO should create a fund for paying for corpses and disabled equipment of aggressors through Iran. Then Wahi and motley freemans will beat the NATO team for loot.
  • individual
    individual 24 August 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    Provocation, the essence of the system of Anglo-Saxon foreign policy.
    From the Middle Ages to the present.
    A star-striped beast roars, jackals howl.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 24 August 2013 12: 39 New
    +3
    As they say, a good American is a dead American
  • Ilya Mikhalych
    Ilya Mikhalych 24 August 2013 12: 50 New
    +9
    Apparently, we will fight soon. I decided to enroll in a rocking chair, you never know come in handy, then I have a draft age.
    1. 31231
      31231 24 August 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      To the rocking chair ?! Hmmm, will you drag the AGS?
      1. Ilya Mikhalych
        Ilya Mikhalych 24 August 2013 13: 43 New
        +5
        I do not know . What they will give and I will carry, if only not sandbags and cement.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 24 August 2013 13: 26 New
    +1
    Not without war they must strangle purely morally .. The truth is on our side .. !!
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 24 August 2013 14: 05 New
      11
      And not only the truth. winked
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 24 August 2013 15: 13 New
        +1
        Neighing from the heart laughing thank you
  • 1536
    1536 24 August 2013 13: 44 New
    +4
    By all means and means it is necessary to help Syria and to restrain the presumptuous Euroschists, to put them in their place. If this is not done, the penniless price of the entire company for the protection of Russian interests in this country and its legitimate government, which we have witnessed all the last months. Now, it seems, the moment of truth should come: with whom and whose interests are the ruling circles of the Russian Federation expressing and defending.
  • pristav
    pristav 24 August 2013 13: 55 New
    +6
    The Truth About East Ghouta Operation and Information Throwing (ANNA)

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  • Xroft
    Xroft 24 August 2013 14: 08 New
    +1
    This is the truth, the Americans are trying to keep their investment in terrorism ...
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 24 August 2013 18: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Xroft
      This is the truth, the Americans are trying to keep their investments in terrorism ...

      Yeah, and the Professor says - for nothing.
      Although everyone knows that:
      - For free ???
      - Behind the barn !!!
      wassat
  • petr.lisovskiy
    petr.lisovskiy 24 August 2013 14: 38 New
    +4
    Elena Gromova, you are smart!
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 24 August 2013 14: 42 New
    +2
    The West is cornered, to admit that they were wrong not in their rules, so you can expect anything from them. Go for the heads
  • Horst78
    Horst78 24 August 2013 15: 18 New
    +7
    Good Anglo-Saxon Dead Anglo-Saxon
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 24 August 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Quote: bot.su
    Quote: Professor
    If the Egyptians are supportive and agree to let them pass through the canal.

    May the Egyptians be supportive wherever they go. Nobody wants to spoil relations with China anyway, and now even more so, the Egyptians' tourism income has fallen, so the whole point is the price of the issue. And the Chinese in Africa are generous.

    Quote: Professor
    Personally, I do not believe that Assad personally ordered the use of chemical weapons. Most likely it was a local initiative.

    What are you! Government officers do not understand the severity of the situation? I now think that this was a terrorist initiative prompted from the Washington Regional Committee.

    Quote: Professor
    The main thing is to stock the cap more and then they can throw the Americans.

    Причём тут шапки? Основная сложность конфликта с Россией для США - это то, что мы в конечном итоге можем начать кидаться "шапками", которые производит Воткинский завод. Поэтому одного корабля хватит, чтобы заставить задуматься о последствиях. А планы пусть разрабатывают себе, бумага всё стерпит.

    Quote: Professor
    Surprisingly, the whole corpses in the photo, obviously OB. There are also close-ups.

    So no one argues. If terrorists and the United States are interested in using chemical weapons in Syria, then they should not have problems with this. Some provided, others applied, all dumped on Assad. And then cannibals, as luck would have it, are not in the ranks of the government army ...
    By the way, according to recent reports, government troops seized chemical weapons in an underground tunnel, which was recaptured from the Basmachi. So 1: 1.
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 15: 35 New
    +2
    the west wants to capture Syria and then put its puppet government there, then Qatar will begin the construction of a gas pipeline that will pass through the Persian Gulf, Iraq, Israel, Syria and Turkey, and then this gas will go to Europe and will begin to be in great demand, as it will be sold at a low price and thereby bring down the RUSSIAN gas market leaving our country with nothing, the Kremlin understands this well and will therefore defend Syria to the end.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2013 15: 42 New
      -16
      The pipeline can be built without Syria and Turkey. From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are within easy reach.
      The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.
      1. Rider
        Rider 24 August 2013 16: 07 New
        +5
        Quote: Professor
        The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.


        Oh my god, prof!
        Well, you see, an intelligent person, well, where did you get such tricks.

        Here are the latest news that I found about Polish shale gas:The state-owned oil company Lotos no longer intends to extract blue fuel from the seams. This is written by the Polish media

        Earlier, foreign corporations ExxonMobil, Talisman and Marathon Oil abandoned plans for exploration and production of shale gas in Poland.

        taken:http://newvesti.info/polsha-otkazalas-ot-razrabotki-slancevogo-gaza/

        and:The Polish state-owned company Lotos and Talisman Energy and Marathon Oil, USA, are forced to abandon a large-scale shale gas production project in Poland. Representatives of Marathon Oil called this project “unsuccessful”; commercial stocks of alternative fuel in Poland were never found.

        Читайте дальше: http://www.pronedra.ru/gas/2013/05/14/dobycha-slancevogo-gaza-v-polshe/#ixzz2ct5
        T6RHv


        however, if you decided to make fun of it, then instead of Poland, you should indicate Ukraine, although drilling continues.
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 24 August 2013 18: 27 New
          0
          Only a suicide will produce shale gas. It will be an eco-catastrophe for that country.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 24 August 2013 18: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Professor
        Russian gas market will bring Poland down shale gas in 2014 year.

        or peas.
        mass production of peas, and then everyone himself, as he can ...
        wassat
      3. 31231
        31231 24 August 2013 19: 05 New
        -1
        but sho he is still not built ?! Why is Qatar investing in more expensive LNG terminals and not in a pipe ?! Operating costs on the pipe are less and pumping volumes with the same investments are greater.
        Professor, why do you not drill shale gas and leach out shale ?!
        1. Professor
          Professor 24 August 2013 19: 19 New
          -5
          Quote: 31231
          Why is Qatar investing in more expensive LNG terminals and not in a pipe ?!

          He didn’t want to share with anyone, and he was going to sell it to Japan and China overseas. Overseas broke off.

          Quote: 31231
          Professor, why do you not drill shale gas and leach out shale ?!

          We have on the shelf very cheap gas well, a lot has been discovered.
          1. Rider
            Rider 24 August 2013 20: 29 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            We have on the shelf very cheap gas well, a lot has been discovered.


            I’m just wondering, is it why Israel is preoccupied with the problems of democracy in Syria that the shelf is common?

            right here:http://ilgid.ru/economy/gas.html
            an article about your gas with an interesting map.

            and an interesting phrase slipped It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
            another $ 20 billion;

            (я не зря выделил "ЕЩЁ НА" а то любит ваш брат прибеднятса)
            wink
            1. Professor
              Professor 24 August 2013 20: 41 New
              -6
              Quote: Rider
              I’m just wondering, is it why Israel is preoccupied with the problems of democracy in Syria that the shelf is common?

              You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...
              1. nerd.su
                nerd.su 24 August 2013 20: 45 New
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...

                And what then bomb it regularly and your special forces graze there? what Maybe you still want to make your own common shelf? smile
                1. atalef
                  atalef 24 August 2013 20: 54 New
                  +2
                  Quote: bot.su
                  Maybe you still want to make your own common shelf?

                  Yes ? Do we have a sea border with Syria? And a controversial shelf? How about geography? laughing
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 24 August 2013 21: 04 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    Yes ? Do we have a sea border with Syria?


                    SW Alexander, I kindly request to follow the link I provided above.
                    it is clearly visible that the field is one on ALL.
                    and as I understand it, there is no Lebanon and Syria, there is no one to divide dividends.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 25 August 2013 20: 56 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Rider
                      it is clearly visible that the field is one on ALL.
                      and as I understand it, there is no Lebanon and Syria, there is no one to divide dividends.
                      Strange, but I thought that there were clear laws for the separation of the shelf.
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 25 August 2013 23: 05 New
                        0
                        Quote: atalef
                        Strange, but I thought


                        I also believed that the borders of states are untouchable, and internal disassembly is THEIR internal disassembly.

                        but there is such a nice way to solve foreign policy (and even financial identity) problems, it is called - the last argument of the kings, and simply - WAR.
                        и все договоры и соглашения по отношению к проигравшему "не будут стоить бумаги на ней написанной (с)"

                        I hope SO understand?
                  2. nerd.su
                    nerd.su 24 August 2013 22: 00 New
                    +1
                    Quote: atalef
                    How about geography?

                    Oh yes, I forgot about Lebanon! You won’t remember every Benelux! Well, all the more, you will be given the will, so you and I will soon have a common shelf in the Pacific.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 25 August 2013 20: 58 New
                      -3
                      Quote: bot.su
                      Well, all the more, you will be given the will to do so, so you and I will soon have a common shelf in the Pacific.

                      Well, of course, only Russia for Syria because of the love of world justice.
                2. Professor
                  Professor 24 August 2013 21: 06 New
                  -6
                  Quote: bot.su
                  And what then bomb it regularly and your special forces graze there?

                  It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah. About the special forces in general laughter. laughing
                  1. 31231
                    31231 24 August 2013 21: 57 New
                    +5
                    Точна профессор, ваши чудодроны на ящиках с вооружением разглядели надпись на арабском "для хизбалы" и для контроля взяли с десяток языков военнослужащих в САА.
                    Why didn’t our iPhone bomb the Judea when we reported on the contents of Georgian trophies and testimonies of prisoners?
              2. Rider
                Rider 24 August 2013 20: 54 New
                0
                Quote: Professor
                You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ...


                ну как вам сказать, судя по многочисленным бомбардировкам и поддержке "повстанцев" далеко не монополистереополимерно.

                recently surfaced on the open spaces of tyrnet:An Internet page owned by the Syrian National Opposition Council has published an appeal to militants operating in northern Syria, with a number of instructions and requirements that are not of particular interest. Interesting is where this appeal came from.

                The page clearly states: about a minute ago near Haifa Israel (about a minute ago, near Haifa, Israel). A moment later the message address has been changed to Istanbul Turkey, however, this insignificant time was enough for the Lebanese site Al-Hadas News to fix this fact.

                http://oko-planet.su/politik/politwar/203746-na-vore-ermolka-gorit.html
                1. Professor
                  Professor 24 August 2013 21: 13 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Rider
                  ну как вам сказать, судя по многочисленным бомбардировкам и поддержке "повстанцев" далеко не монополистереополимерно.

                  Do not fantasize about supporting the rebels.

                  Quote: Rider
                  about a minute ago, near Haifa, Israel

                  heard about the proxy server? (pay attention to my flag wink )
                  1. Rider
                    Rider 24 August 2013 21: 22 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Do not fantasize about supporting the rebels.


                    Well, yes, but probably bombed Puerto Rico.

                    Quote: Professor
                    heard about the proxy server? (pay attention to my flag

                    deftly you, we will assume that it was so.
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 24 August 2013 21: 29 New
                      -4
                      Quote: Rider
                      Well, yes, but probably bombed Puerto Rico.

                      6th fleet of the USA, Turkish Air Force, Britons from its territory on the island of Cyprus ...
                      1. Rider
                        Rider 24 August 2013 21: 31 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        6th fleet of the USA, Turkish Air Force, Britons from its territory on the island of Cyprus ...


                        and the last time the Martians tried.
                      2. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2013 21: 35 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Rider
                        and the last time the Martians tried.

                        Docs in the studio or we will discuss OBS.
                      3. Rider
                        Rider 24 August 2013 21: 41 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        Docs in the studio or we will discuss OBS.


                        excuse me, but didn’t Israel bomb Syria a couple of months ago?
                        do you justify this by destroying weapons for Hamas (or Hezbola)?
                        вот только про оружие для "лучших друзей Израиля" это как раз ОБС, а бомбардировки это ФАКТ.
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2013 21: 45 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Rider
                        excuse me, but didn’t Israel bomb Syria a couple of months ago?

                        Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.
                      5. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 24 August 2013 21: 53 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.

                        So they themselves kind of recognized that your Netanyahu flew to Putin for a showdown, and he told him a joke:
                        A bear, a wolf and a fox sat down to play cards, the bear says - and whoever cheats, will follow the impudent red face! smile
                      6. atalef
                        atalef 24 August 2013 21: 58 New
                        -1
                        Quote: bot.su
                        Your Netanyahu flew to Putin for a showdown, and he told him a joke:
                        A bear and a wolf and a fox sat down to play cards, the bear said, “And whoever cheats, that’s in the impudent red face

                        To cheat? This is probably why the paid S-300 can’t get to Syria laughing
                      7. nerd.su
                        nerd.su 24 August 2013 22: 03 New
                        +1
                        Quote: atalef
                        To cheat? This is probably why the paid S-300 can’t get to Syria

                        Who says they are paid? Did you drink the money?
                        Yes, and the cargo ship with American aid to the Syrian rebels broke in the ocean? laughing
                  2. Rider
                    Rider 24 August 2013 21: 59 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Professor
                    Doc-va that it bombed Israel in the studio.


                    http://top.rbc.ru/politics/31/01/2013/842945.shtml

                    http://news.israelinfo.ru/politics/46707


                    but you probably need confirmation from the Israel Defense Forces?
                    but how then to understand YOUR same phrase from 21: 06
                    It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah.
                  3. Professor
                    Professor 24 August 2013 22: 11 New
                    -1
                    CNN News Agency citing three unnamed sources3? I am about evidence, not OBS. Any evidence?

                    Syrian authorities accused Israel of bombing a research center located near Damascus. The news was circulated through its channels by the government news agency SANA. Syrian authorities brought evidence?

                    Quote: Rider
                    but how then to understand YOUR same phrase from 21: 06
                    It is said that Israel bombed weapons destined for Hezbollah.

                    Ударение на слово "говорят", доказательств нет.
                  4. Rider
                    Rider 24 August 2013 22: 20 New
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Any evidence?


                    Like not a thief caught?

                    understandably, we will consider that these were flying saucers.
                    probably they sided with Israel.
                  5. Professor
                    Professor 24 August 2013 22: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Rider
                    understandably, we will consider that these were flying saucers.
                    probably they sided with Israel.

                    Or is it the Kazakh Air Force bombed? wink
                  6. Rider
                    Rider 24 August 2013 22: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    Or is it the Kazakh Air Force bombed?


                    Well, for sure!
                    here all the news agencies say - Israel, but the prof does not believe.
                    it turns out, either flying saucers, or the Air Force of Trapezundia
                2. alone
                  alone 24 August 2013 22: 24 New
                  +2
                  you know Alexander, the remnants of the missiles that were used during the air strike could be material evidence. And I also wonder why the Syrian authorities did not attach any importance to this. Having examined the place, you could find at least some fragments
                3. Rider
                  Rider 24 August 2013 22: 35 New
                  -1
                  Quote: lonely
                  material evidence could be the remnants of missiles that were used in an air strike


                  But how much remains after a powerful explosion?
                  besides, much depends on the type of explosives.
                  shanks from mines had to be seen, and the starting charges for the RPGs also remained intact.
                  but that’s what remains of the aircraft missiles - not in the know, not a specialist.
                4. alone
                  alone 24 August 2013 22: 41 New
                  +2
                  something should remain, at least traces of explosives.
                5. Rider
                  Rider 24 August 2013 22: 55 New
                  -1
                  Quote: lonely
                  something should remain, at least traces of explosives.


                  и что на них написано "я- тротил, произведён в Израиле" ?
                  of course, something remains, but is it possible to identify and SPECIFY attach the aggressor to the country.
                6. alone
                  alone 24 August 2013 22: 58 New
                  +2
                  There are different laboratories that can answer many questions.
                7. Rider
                  Rider 24 August 2013 23: 50 New
                  0
                  Quote: lonely
                  there are different laboratories


                  certainly there is, but let me remind you that the missiles did not explode in the wasteland, but in the weapons depot, can you imagine what chaos was happening there?
                  And what a blast power was. and completely unknown. when everything detonated there.
              3. Professor
                Professor 25 August 2013 08: 23 New
                -2
                Quote: Rider
                of course, something remains, but is it possible to identify and SPECIFY attach the aggressor to the country.

                Strange, here the Israelis always identify the remains:



                Quote: Rider
                certainly there is, but let me remind you that the missiles did not explode in the wasteland, but in the weapons depot, can you imagine what chaos was happening there?

                And those that rushed out of stock? Say for air defense systems. Where are the evidence?
              4. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 10: 23 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Strange, here the Israelis always identify the remains:


                sorry prof. but your photos are not an argument.
                you are trying to pull an owl on a globe, comparing the IED made on the knee, or the rocket (judging by the pipe with the explosives) that the spirits shoot at you.
                и высокотехнологичную ракету (бомбу) СПЕЦИАЛЬНО подготовленную к удару "в тёмную"
                Do you want me to bring a photo of an armored vehicle torn on a land mine?
                there is not that from the BB, there is little left of the tank.
                believe me, I saw.

                http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/969/upot737.jpg

                besides, you do not allow the idea that, by agreement of the parties, these blows could have been silenced?
                Toto your and American prime minister to Putin often.
              5. Professor
                Professor 25 August 2013 10: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Rider
                you are trying to pull an owl on a globe, comparing the IED made on the knee, or the rocket (judging by the pipe with the explosives) that the spirits shoot at you.

                Of course, if the rocket is made of cardboard completely burned by the explosion, then of course you are right, but in reality, everything is not so. Here you have the remains of a modern rocket not made on his knee.


                Quote: Rider
                besides, you do not allow the idea that, by agreement of the parties, these blows could have been silenced?

                The coordination of the parties is Jerusalem agreed with Damascus that Israel will fucking in Syria, it will shout, but will not provide evidence? wassat
              6. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 10: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Professor
                Here you have the remains of a modern rocket not made on his knee.


                So what is this ?
                mouthpieces from gas masks?

                where is the explanation that this is a rocket. whose production, in what conditions the explosion is an explosion.
                expert opinion.
                let's prof. you like to ask for evidence.
                So take the trouble to confirm your words.

                and the consent of the parties is your prime minister’s visit to Moscow, where he was begging Putin to refuse to supply C 300 Damascus, in exchange for Israel’s non-participation in the conflict.
                from that they decided not to make noise, so as not to wind up the overheated situation.
              7. Professor
                Professor 25 August 2013 11: 02 New
                0
                Quote: Rider
                where is the explanation that this is a rocket. whose production, in what conditions the explosion is an explosion.

                Of course you can reach the point of absurdity, but especially for you:
                The photograph shows parts of the Tomahawk engine made by the representative of the UN mission Yannick Lemieux at 15 ° 38′N 32 ° 32′E at the Al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Sudan on October 15, 2005. He, as an authorized military expert, identified the wreckage as part of the Tomahawk KR engine. The factory was attacked by three Kyrgyz Republics in August 1998 launched from the Indian Ocean in response to attacks by American embassies in East Africa.


                I expect about this report from the Syrian authorities, and better from UN inspectors.
              8. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 11: 14 New
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                but especially for you:


                you'd better provide a reference.

                and we take a google search, and we find out that rockets like Tomahawk are in service not only with the USA army, but also with England.
                so maybe this old woman tried?

                besides, I said why such FACTS could be NOT provided.

                and also (pinned me) that in response to attacks on the embassies, the building of the PHARMACEUTICAL FACTORY was destroyed.

                although of course yeah, there surely sat the evil mujiks.
                that's really it.
                in response to the attacks carried out by unknown people, the United States decided to bomb anyone.
              9. Professor
                Professor 25 August 2013 11: 30 New
                +2
                Quote: Rider
                you'd better provide a reference.

                http://ptaff.ca/al-shifa/?lang=en_CA

                Now I'm waiting for a report from Syria.
              10. alone
                alone 25 August 2013 15: 46 New
                +2
                )) have to wait forever)) what
              11. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 15: 55 New
                0
                Quote: lonely
                )) have to wait forever))


                you are ironic in vain.
                Israel is very reluctant to admit to its military actions, in 2007 they also denied that they bombed Syria

                http://www.russian.rfi.fr/v-mire/20130131-vlasti-izrailya-ne-kommentiruyut-bomba
                rdirovku-na-granitse-sirii
              12. Professor
                Professor 25 August 2013 16: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Rider
                Israel is very reluctant to admit to its military actions, in 2007 they also denied that they bombed Syria

                Something I did not catch where in your link the recognition of Israel?
                "Israel does not confirm and does not refute this information because of a security issue, ”said adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, MP Tsahi Hanegbi.
              13. alone
                alone 25 August 2013 16: 25 New
                +2
                I’m not ironic. I am stating a fact. It’s one thing to shake the air with screams of Israeli attacks without any evidence, but you conduct a competent investigation, collect evidence and materials, and then put it on the table as incontrovertible evidence and gain recognition. unfortunately, the Syrian authorities have not provided any facts. You know Alexander, unlike some members of the forum, I try to approach the Syrian problem with logic, and not with a bang of patriotism.
              14. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 17: 21 New
                0
                Quote: lonely
                I am not ironic. I am stating a fact.


                think with your head, ALL THE WORLD MEDIA SAY THAT THIS IS A MATTER OF HANDS OF ISRAEL, but a professor appears and denies everything.
                China makes statements Russia, even Saudi Arabia asks the Security Council to point Israel to the inadmissibility of attacks.
                but Tzahal did not recognize
                bombing and truncation.
                okay prof, he’s stubborn, although he gives references that are far from ideal,
                but you think WHO else could do it? AND MAIN WHY?
                они не то что бомбовые удары, они визиты своих гавправительств шифруют, поищите в сети "визит Нетаньяху в Москву" всё что вы найдёте, ЭТО КОСВЕННЫЕ ПРИЗНАНИЯ.
                there are no allegations that he met with Putin on that date.
                Well, about 2007
                tape.ru will suit you as a source?

                http://lenta.ru/news/2007/09/20/raid/
              15. alone
                alone 25 August 2013 17: 32 New
                +1
                you know, it’s referred to the media, it’s the same thing that it is referred to one grandmother who said. Attack on the base is a serious fact. And we need serious evidence. And there are a lot of counter-arguments for simple words. Do you want me to announce one of the options? the Wahhabis could also attack the base. They destroyed everything and left. And the army command could concoct a report on the Israeli air force attack to conceal the fact of the militants' attack.
                this is also not a fact. but when there is a war in the country, Israel will be accused without any strong evidence, will say just that))) hi
              16. Rider
                Rider 25 August 2013 17: 49 New
                0
                Quote: lonely
                Do you want me to announce one of the options to you? Wahhabis could also attack the base. They destroyed everything and left


                They (the Mujiks) did just that, IMMEDIATELY after the attack, and announced this.
                like a go-ahead.

                that's just the statements of the Foreign Ministry of many countries, I believe more than perfume.
                even the UN Secretary General issued a statement, but you (I suppose) will not be sure until PERSONAL ISRAELI PILOTS PRESENT A FLIGHT TASK?

                UN condemns Israel for blow to Syria
                http://www.dni.ru/polit/2013/2/1/247452.html
              17. alone
                alone 25 August 2013 22: 34 New
                0
                One statement is an empty formality. Even the resolution of this organization is not being implemented by anyone. But if there were material evidence, I would love to curse the Israeli military here with you for this blow.
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 18: 20 New
    +1
    Professor.
    Amer and Sudan noted. Our shoot has ripened everywhere.
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 18: 11 New
    0
    [quote = Rider] [quote = professor] You are poorly informed, Israel has monopenisual democracy in Syria and no, and even to Syria itself ... [/ quote]

    ну как вам сказать, судя по многочисленным бомбардировкам и поддержке "повстанцев" далеко не монополистереополимерно.

    wassat

    But seriously.
    A mess in the Arab countries, in the hands of Israel does not refute it. Amer as their chain dog will pull troops. If there is no bummer, they can bomb Syria. One hope for Russia. We will be able to defend Syria, the world will be different.
    1. Professor
      Professor 25 August 2013 22: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: Che
      A mess in the Arab countries, in the hands of Israel does not refute

      Nonsense you write. A mess on the border is not beneficial to any normal state. Instead of tourism and economic development, you have to feed the army. Super economic model. The Nobel Prize in Economics is urgent for you.
      1. Che
        Che 25 August 2013 23: 05 New
        0
        Who then needs it? We do not need, you do not need. Crusaders from overseas need? They are looking for new artifacts on the new coffin.
  • atalef
    atalef 24 August 2013 20: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: Rider
    It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
    another $ 20 billion;
    (я не зря выделил "ЕЩЁ НА" а то любит ваш брат прибеднятса)

    Don’t throw a link to the source? And then after all, according to the Camp David Treaty, military assistance to Israel, a cent, a cent, is equal to aid to Egypt. tongue With this how?
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 21: 01 New
      0
      Quote: atalef
      Don’t throw a link to the source?


      Well, finally I brought a reference, if you need the source, then contact the site administration Israel Travel Guide to which I refer.

      Well, according to the Kempdevidskoy agreement, it after all was there, after it you can still throw

      including this:Germany will supply Israel with a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value. The first two submarines the Israelis actually received from Germany as a gift
      Read more: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/1682056
      1. atalef
        atalef 24 August 2013 21: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Rider
        Well, finally I brought a reference,

        This is a reference about gas fields. You’ll bring a reference about the increase in military aid, otherwise it’s not solid to lie.

        Quote: Rider
        Well, according to the Kempdevidskoy agreement, it after all was there, after it you can still throw

        ?????????? In general, a contract, if it is not denounced, does not have a statute of limitations, which is generally for babble.

        Quote: Rider
        Germany will supply Israel with a Dolphin class submarine that can carry cruise missiles. It will be the sixth such submarine, which Germany will transfer to the Israeli Navy. Moreover, Israel will pay for it only two-thirds of the real value. The first two submarines the Israelis actually received from Germany as a gift

        Well ?
        You wrote about something else.

        Quote: Rider
        and an interesting phrase slipped in. It is also known that Israel is in talks with the United States to increase regular military assistance.
        another $ 20 billion;

        Where did it flash?

        Quote: Rider
        however, this insignificant time was enough for the Lebanese site Al-Hadas News to fix this fact.

        Lebanese website laughing Thunder there by chance in the vicinity was not laughing
        1. Rider
          Rider 24 August 2013 21: 18 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          This is a reference about gas fields. You’ll bring a reference about the increase in military aid, otherwise it’s not solid to lie.


          This is YOUR website, I myself only found out about HELP help from there.
          so if you don’t trust YOUR SAME site, then these are YOUR problems.
          but you can doubt anything.

          Quote: atalef
          In general, the contract, if it is not denounced, does not have a statute of limitations

          but you can conclude another, including a secret one, as well as provide assistance through other channels.
          Quote: atalef
          Well ?
          You wrote about something else.


          Yes, in fact, this is equivalent to helping from the United States, that milking Germany.
          Quote: atalef
          Where did it flash?

          you finally read the link?
          because I didn’t write about these billions.
          Quote: atalef
          Lebanese website

          Well, what do you want?
          get videos from YouTube even (links are given above)
          brush tyrnet, and you all hihanki.
          1. atalef
            atalef 24 August 2013 21: 42 New
            -1
            Quote: Rider
            This is YOUR website, I myself only found out about HELP help from there.

            I tell you about Kuzma, you tell me about Yeryom. Where is that written ? Link or quote pliz.

            Quote: Rider
            but you can conclude another, including a secret one,

            ???????? What a baby talk. But the Egyptians, of course, do not recognize anything, and no one at all - except you, of course, who found out about this and do not know where (although you say that from the Israeli site). In kindergarten, please children

            Quote: Rider
            Yes, in fact, this is equivalent to helping from the United States, that milking Germany.

            Well, it doesn’t matter to you Tatars that to advance is to run. what to retreat - run


            Quote: Rider
            you finally read the link?
            because I didn’t write about these billions.

            Was reading . I didn’t see about billions. Maybe throw a quote.

            Quote: Rider
            Well, what do you want?

            Probably the Caucasus center, the same a lot of * truth * writes.
            1. Rider
              Rider 24 August 2013 21: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: atalef
              Where is that written ? Link or quote pliz.


              YES I SHOWED THE LINK, and you see selectively read.
              http://ilgid.ru/economy/gas.html
              penultimate paragraph
              Israel has also initiated work on the preparation of agreements with neighbors in the Levantine basin. It is also known that Israel is negotiating with the United States to increase regular military assistance by another $ 20 billion; part of these funds will be allocated for the purchase of warships and submarines to protect gas production enterprises. Hezbollah’s Lebanese Islamic movement, which has anti-ship missiles and troops trained to fight at sea, is particularly dangerous for Israel’s offshore gas infrastructure.
              Quote: atalef
              What a baby talk.

              Well, if for YOU, YOUR website writes babble, then I wash my hands.
              Quote: atalef
              Well, you Tatars all the same

              Well, probably you Tatars and anyway, Av from Israel gladly took advantage of the Germans.
              or you do not like this source?
              Quote: atalef
              Probably the Caucasus center, the same a lot of * truth * writes.

              probably you could make sure that tyrnet cleaned
              for fun, try to find the phrase M. Albright about the death of a million children in Iraq, that it was a decent price for democracy.
  • 31231
    31231 24 August 2013 21: 07 New
    +1
    Бггг. Сколь?! Пару триллионов хоть геофизики "настреляли"?! Профессор, ну гляньте хоть запасы средненького месторождения ЯНАО, что бы понять "какие у вас несметные сокровища на шельфе". Так же гляньте объемы месторождений шельфа Северного моря. Разницу между добычей на шельфе и на материке объяснять не надо?! Если интересует, погуглите "стоимость берения погонного метра и процент извлечения запасов" для данных условий.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2013 21: 21 New
      +1
      We are a small country, until this year, generally without hydrocarbon production, we have reached well not very bad indicators in the standard of living. Drop statistics or believe a word?
    2. alone
      alone 25 August 2013 15: 51 New
      0
      You’re laughing in vain. A couple of trillions will be enough for Israel for domestic consumption. And this is quite a lot. They’ll save money, they will be allowed to rearm the army, equipping it with ultramodern technologies. So you hurried with a laugh.
      1. 31231
        31231 25 August 2013 17: 53 New
        0
        And what is there a couple of trillions ?! Here, as Professor Infu cited, so there is a trillion nemae. Offshore extraction how much? God forbid if they take half.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus 25 August 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    Truly Troll is not smart. He is vile, dodgy, and cunning. Well, you can still experienced. And then not for long
  • Che
    Che 25 August 2013 09: 09 New
    0
    Professor, forget about shale gas. This is moore, not gas. Here on the shelf is gas.
  • Professor
    Professor 24 August 2013 16: 10 New
    -4
    Quote: Rider
    Oh my god, prof!
    Well, you see, an intelligent person, well, where did you get such tricks.

    You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 16: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff


      No, unfortunately for Americans it’s not a bluff, like burning tap water.

      and in Poland (and most of all on shales) - we really will see.
      1. 31231
        31231 24 August 2013 19: 09 New
        0
        I would not call this a revolution. Just an American bluff in an attempt to reduce dependence on imported gas.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 24 August 2013 16: 34 New
      +8
      Quote: Professor
      You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.

      The shale revolution is bullshit.
      Oil shales and gas extracted from them have been used since the Stone Age.
      Methods of underground shale gas production are also known for a long time and the modern method is not the only one.
      Shale gas can become a substitute for natural gas when natural gas fields are fully developed, but for now it cannot compete with natural gas at the cost of production.
      Mineral is an economic and technological concept, Russia has enormous reserves of oil shale, but they have not even begun to explore them, except for relatively small areas in the European part of the Russian Federation.
      According to 1981 data, the proven reserves of oil shale in Russia amounted to 37 billion tons, and resources - approximately 850 billion tons. According to estimates of the geological fund, 180 deposits of various geological age have been explored, of which about a hundred are located in the industrially developed European part.
      In Russia, shale deposits are known in the Baltic (Leningrad region), Volga, Pechora-Timan and Vychegod basins. The first in terms of importance and scale of oil shale mining in the Russian Federation is currently the Baltic basin (the Russian part is the Leningradskoye field).

      Similarly, on Earth there are giant mountain ranges 30-40% composed of iron, but there is no economically viable technology for extracting iron from the rocks composing them.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 August 2013 17: 00 New
        -2
        Quote: Rider
        No, unfortunately for Americans it’s not a bluff, like burning tap water.

        Recall disasters associated with conventional oil production?

        Quote: Corsair5912
        in the meantime, he cannot compete with the natural one at the cost of production.

        laughing And why gas in the US has fallen in price at times?


        About shale revolution
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 24 August 2013 21: 56 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          And why gas in the US has fallen in price at times?


          Gas in the USA has never been cheaper at times or in percents, and your chart is about nothing.
          Maybe this is an indicator of the activity of trainee Monica Lewinsky in the oral office?
          Any geologist will tell you that shale gas cannot, at the cost of production, be cheaper than natural. This excludes the production method itself and well productivity. The costs are huge, and the output is negligible, almost the same as extracting gold from sea water.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 22: 05 New
            -5
            Quote: Corsair5912
            Gas in the USA has never been cheaper at times or in percents, and your chart is about nothing.

            Blah blah blah. Show us the US natural gas retail price chart, and we all laugh together.
            1. 31231
              31231 24 August 2013 23: 09 New
              +1
              Alas, professor, but I will not make up the company of the ridiculous, because I work in the oil and gas industry. And I can imagine a little what it is to drill wells, including those with horizontal cuts, then break the pressure, and then wait until the injected chemistry will reveal another part of the micropores and lenses with gas. We have about 50 billion cubic meters from the wellbore, and oil shale producers will not have a million. How is it that the icon of the shale revolution Chisapik feels, and then for six months he was no longer interested in this issue.
    3. KBPC50
      KBPC50 24 August 2013 17: 00 New
      +4
      Of course a bluff. Not a damn thing the Yankees did. Costs are tens of times higher than implementation. See Euronews.
    4. 31231
      31231 24 August 2013 19: 07 New
      -1
      Yes, professor, and the Saudis will bring down the price of oil. Your dreams are clear, but here they talk about realities.
      1. Professor
        Professor 24 August 2013 19: 20 New
        -2
        Quote: 31231
        Yes, professor, and the Saudis will bring down the price of oil. Your dreams are clear, but here they talk about realities.

        Kremlin dreamers also thought so, and the Campaign treaty destroyed the USSR.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 24 August 2013 19: 26 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Campids agreement destroyed the USSR

          Not a fact.
          1. Professor
            Professor 24 August 2013 19: 27 New
            -2
            Quote: Spade
            Not a fact.

            Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 24 August 2013 19: 34 New
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.

              Strong? Give the numbers. How much did the USSR lose as a percentage of GDP?

              The Pole in the American service presents this as his great geopolitical victory, a complex multi-entry route. However, if you do not praise yourself in the memoirs, then who will praise?
              1. Professor
                Professor 24 August 2013 19: 48 New
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                Strong? Give the numbers. How much did the USSR lose as a percentage of GDP?

                Schaz, the USSR regularly published its true free print GDP.
                Pole has nothing to do with it. I myself remember the empty store shelves when there weren’t enough petrodollars to buy food.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 24 August 2013 20: 20 New
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  I myself remember the empty store shelves when there were not enough petrodollars to buy food.

                  You are just very lucky. Food problems began long before this treaty. Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.
                  1. Professor
                    Professor 24 August 2013 20: 42 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    Food problems began long before this treaty. Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.

                    In fact, this agreement was until the 84 of the year; it was signed on March 26 and 1979 in Washington.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      signed March 26, 1979 in Washington.

                      Cool. And what is the result? That's right, oil in price continued to grow. And it reached its peak two years after the signing of this historic treaty.

                      Are you confusing anything?
                      1. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2013 21: 18 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Spade
                        Cool.

                        Why? The harsh truth of life.

                        Quote: Spade
                        And what is the result?

                        Peace, friendship, chewing gum, opening of the Suez Canal. Tankers around Africa stopped chasing.

                        Quote: Spade
                        That's right, oil in price continued to grow. And it reached its peak two years after the signing of this historic treaty.

                        Discard the schedule, please.
                        And now notice December 1979, the peak of oil prices.


                        http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        Discard the schedule, please.
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 49 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        And now notice December 1979, the peak of oil prices.

                        Have you looked at your link? Or lack of time?
                      4. Professor
                        Professor 24 August 2013 21: 58 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Spade
                        Have you looked at your link? Or lack of time?

                        Of course I looked, you enlarge the picture, there is even an inscription there.
                        http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Chart.as
                        p

                        And here is the table, as we see Oil in the price is NOT continued to grow (December 79 - peak). AND NOT peaked two years after the signing of this historic treaty.
                        http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.as

                        p

                        Year Nominal Price Inflation Adjusted Price
                        1976 $ 13.10 $ 53.60
                        1977 $ 14.40 $ 55.28
                        1978 $ 14.95 $ 53.38
                        1979 $ 25.10 $ 79.75
                        1980 $ 37.42 $ 105.84
                        1981 $ 35.75 $ 91.65
                        1982 $ 31.83 $ 76.83
                        1983 $ 29.08 $ 67.98
                        1984 $ 28.75 $ 64.44
                        1985 $ 26.92 $ 58.25
                        1986 $ 14.44 $ 30.65
                      5. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 24 August 2013 23: 41 New
                        +1
                        AND? After signing this Great Founding Treaty on the Urination of the USSR By Reducing Oil Prices, its price rose from 51.47 bucks in March 1979 to 110.53 in April 1980. This is what I understand, peramoga.

                        And the Saudis brought down oil prices in March 1985. When in the USSR the food problem was already available for a long time
                      6. Professor
                        Professor 25 August 2013 09: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Spade
                        AND? After signing this Great Founding Treaty on the Urination of the USSR By Reducing Oil Prices, its price rose from 51.47 bucks in March 1979 to 110.53 in April 1980. This is what I understand, peramoga.

                        What kind of nonsense? Have you seen this contract?
                        The price of oil in 1980 was not $ 110.53 per barrel - this is the price adjusted for inflation, and the real price was $ 37.42.
                        And so is the materiel.
                        The contract is signed on March 26, 1979 (for those who are not in the know, the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt), it implies the complete opening of the Suez Canal for shipping (average annual oil price is $ 25.10). In December 1979, the oil price reaches its peak and since then begins to fall, and therefore the average annual oil price is the highest in 1980 ($ 37.42). As we see, not two years after signing. The Suez Canal is safe again, Loyd insures tankers without problems and the price of oil starts to fall,
                        1981- $ 35.75,
                        1982- $ 31.83,
                        1983- $ 29.08,
                        1984- $ 28.75,
                        1985- $ 26.92 and so on until the 2000s.
                        And if we take into account that Soviet oil has always been a little cheaper, it becomes clear how much the economy of the USSR did not get.
                      7. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 August 2013 09: 54 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        What kind of nonsense? Have you seen this contract?

                        Это не мой бред, это Ваш. Цитирую: "кэмпдевидский договор разрушил СССР"

                        Quote: Professor
                        The price of oil in 1980 was not $ 110.53 per barrel - this is the price adjusted for inflation, and the real price was $ 37.42.

                        Чего поделать, Вы сами дали эту ссылку. И "настоящая цена" не имеет особого значения. Рыночная цена (которую Вы зачем-то назвали "ц. с учётом инфляции" намного важнее. Потому как покупать пришлось именно по ней. Ну а то, что основной доход с тех пор начали получать перепродавцы- ну так в чём проблема? Какое это отношение имеет к "договору, который разрушил СССР"?
                      8. Professor
                        Professor 25 August 2013 10: 28 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Это не мой бред, это Ваш. Цитирую: "кэмпдевидский договор разрушил СССР"

                        And I quote:
                        Quote: Professor
                        Let's just say: greatly contributed to this.


                        Quote: Spade
                        Рыночная цена (которую Вы зачем-то назвали "ц. с учётом инфляции" намного важнее.

                        This is not a market price, just what I called the real price is the market price. That was how much oil was then. Be careful.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Because I had to buy it.

                        That's it. We bought in 1980 at $ 37.42 per barrel.

                        Quote: Spade
                        Какое это отношение имеет к "договору, который разрушил СССР"?

                        I repeat, they signed an agreement, opened a channel, the price of no oil fell, the flow of petrodollars to the Soviet economy declined and that hacked the indestructible free republics that forever ...
                      9. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 25 August 2013 13: 17 New
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        This is not a market price, just what I called the real price is the market price. That was how much oil was then. Be careful.

                        Dear, so what did you give the link to? This one: http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart
                      10. Professor
                        Professor 25 August 2013 16: 03 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Spade
                        Dear, so what did you give the link to? This one: http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart

                        You take a closer look, this graph is for the price, taking into account inflation until 2013. So to speak, in the prices of 2013.
  • atalef
    atalef 24 August 2013 20: 57 New
    +3
    Quote: Spade
    Already in 84 in the Irkutsk region there were cards for livestock products.
    For three years, the cards crawled to St. Petersburg.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 20 New
      +3
      We arrived at 84, so I can only speak from this date. In real life, most likely earlier. At the same time, they should not have entered cards for meat-sausage and oil, this deficit is not like a cigarette or sugar, not artificial.
    2. alone
      alone 25 August 2013 16: 01 New
      0
      and already in the 82nd year we had coupons for meat, butter and sugar what
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 24 August 2013 21: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Professor
    Schaz, the USSR regularly published its true free print GDP. The Pole has nothing to do with it. I myself remember the empty store shelves when there were not enough petrodollars to buy food.

    The ignorant nonsense of the liberals, composed in perestroika.
    1. The USSR began to supply oil and gas to the CMEA countries through pipelines only from 1972 and until the beginning of the 90s received no petrodollars, where would the CMEA countries come from?
    2. The USSR never bought any food for petrodollars; this version is composed for a stupid cattle. On the contrary, until the end of the 80s, food was exported in huge quantities from the USSR over the hill. In Brest, he himself saw on the Warsaw side echelons of refrigerated cars going west loaded to capacity.
    3. Empty shelves in stores were at full warehouses and the constant transportation of expired meat and dairy products to landfills. In the 80s and early 90s, with coupons for everything, any products could be organized, at the request of enterprises, in any quantity, to buy at wholesale stores.
    All houses had bags of sugar, flour, cereals, boxes of vodka, boxes of cigarettes, sweets, etc. At work in offices, oil, meat, fish, chickens, etc. were thawed and hung.
    1. Professor
      Professor 24 August 2013 21: 43 New
      -4
      Quote: Corsair5912
      The ignorant nonsense of the liberals, composed in perestroika.

      You leave these Bolshevik tales for pioneers, and in those days I already stood in turns and will never forget it. Tell us better how much grain the USSR bought overseas.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 25 August 2013 07: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        You leave these Bolshevik tales for pioneers, and in those days I already stood in turns and will never forget it. Tell us better how much grain the USSR bought overseas.

        Your ignorance can be justified by the lack of information, but the complete lack of rationalization is difficult to justify.
        They buy it not only when their own is not enough, but also when it is much cheaper to buy someone else's than to increase their own production. With grain is just that case.
        The USSR fed bread to many countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, America and bought cheap feed grain (not only wheat) in Canada and the USA.
        The USSR, in addition to grain, bought overseas (and not overseas) copper, rare-metal, uranium, bauxite, nickel ores, oil and gas, although its ores have not yet run out.
        1. Professor
          Professor 25 August 2013 09: 19 New
          -1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          Your ignorance can be justified by the lack of information, but the complete lack of rationalization is difficult to justify.

          Вы эту агитку для детей держите. Я конспектировал материалы очередного съезда КПСС и раздел про продовольственную программу не забуду никогда. Вас послушать всего было вдоволь, но гнило на складах и до полок не доходило. Самое "смешное" что в этот бред многое начнут верить.
          I will not forget how the sapper battalion stationed in our military town returned from Celina. But even with the help of the army, there was not enough grain and had to pay for it with gold to the worst enemies.
        2. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 25 August 2013 11: 57 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          Вы эту агитку для детей держите. Я конспектировал материалы очередного съезда КПСС и раздел про продовольственную программу не забуду никогда. Вас послушать всего было вдоволь, но гнило на складах и до полок не доходило. Самое "смешное" что в этот бред многое начнут верить.
          I will not forget how the sapper battalion stationed in our military town returned from Celina. But even with the help of the army, there was not enough grain and had to pay for it with gold to the worst enemies.

          Вам надо ник сменить на "студент 1 курса".
          What other agitation, these are my personal memories, I lived in the USSR for 40 years and I remember very well how it was.
          In the 50s and 70s, cattle were fed bread in private households in the USSR; I myself bought 9-10 rolls of bread for piglets daily.
          There were never any problems with grain in the USSR, and no one paid gold to any enemy for grain. There was no need for this; there was nowhere to put their extra grain on the fields in the stacks and on the currents in the heaps was rotting.
          Khrushchev’s adventure with virgin lands was just an adventure, the question was not about the lack of grain, but about the low productivity of arable lands in the Non-Chernozem region. The Central Committee considered two options:
          1. To increase the agricultural technology of the Non-Black Earth Region by applying fertilizers and herbicides, sowing elite varieties of grain, and increasing the scientific and technical equipment of collective farms and state farms.
          2. To increase the area under grain crops due to the plowing of virgin and fallow lands in the steppe regions.
          Khrushchev, as a classic enemy of the people, insisted on 2 adventurous options and a lot of budget money flew into the chimney.
          Those who flew over northern Kazakhstan saw what the steppe hot winds turned chernozems.
        3. Professor
          Professor 25 August 2013 12: 11 New
          -1
          Quote: Corsair5912
          There were never any problems with grain in the USSR, and no one paid gold to any enemy for grain.

          You either have skliroz or you are a dreamer:
          In October, President Kennedy signed a protocol on the sale of grain of the USSR in the amount of $ 250 million, however, in his speech, the head of state emphasized that this does not mean that the US economic policy in relation to the USSR has undergone decisive changes.

          Summer of 1972. A catastrophically low grain yield is expected in the USSR, but the scale of the disaster is not known not only to analysts, but also to the Soviet leadership. In negotiations with the US Department of Agriculture, Soviet officials express a desire to purchase a large amount of grain, including wheat and corn.

          Returning to Moscow, the delegation reported on the successfully completed mission, however, instead of the orders, its members received a new task: to buy a little more grain, because in the USSR the views on the crop were completely dull. In August, the delegation returned to the United States and contracted grain in the same way. As a result, 19 (!) Million tons were purchased at fixed prices

          In 1975, Soviet buyers again turned their eyes to American grain. The press reported that Cook sold 2 million tons of grain to the USSR, Cargill - 1,2 million, a week later it became known that Continental Greine sold 5,6 million tons. In addition, the USSR additionally bought 0,75 million tons in Australia, and another 2 million in Canada.

          As a result, on October 20, 1975 such an agreement was signed for a period of 5 years. According to this document, the USSR undertook to annually purchase 6 million tons of grain worth about $ 1 billion. The USSR had the right to increase the annual volume of purchases by 2 million tons without additional coordination with the administration, unless the United States announced that grain production this year had not reached 225 million tons.


          Continue?
        4. Professor
          Professor 25 August 2013 12: 13 New
          -3
          In 1982, the USSR purchased agricultural products (including food) in the amount of $ 15.5 billion. Some little thing didn’t make it into these billions, so I’ll round this figure and round it not to 16, as some might think, but round it to 20 billion, I don’t mind, let it be twenty. Billion.

          What exactly was purchased for these billions? Article number one in procurement is sugar. It was purchased for almost $ 4 billion. Wheat in second place, and in third - corn. In fourth place, if you are interested in wine, it was purchased for almost $ 620 million, and in seventh place - cigarettes, which were bought otherwise so that smokers could smoke.

          Пшеница (она, как правило, закупалась низкосортная), кукуруза и соя (соя в статьях закупок на десятом месте, её набрали на почти 400 миллионов долларов) шли главным образом на корм скоту, это позволяло избегать внешнеполитической зависимости по мясу. Из "мяса" в 1982 году было куплено говяжьих туш на 570 миллионов долларов и в довесок - цыплят мороженных на 325 миллионов.

          Покупали за СКВ при том что свего было "завались"... fellow
        5. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 25 August 2013 13: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Professor
          In 1982, the USSR purchased agricultural products (including food) in the amount of $ 15.5 billion. Some little thing didn’t make it into these billions, so I’ll round this figure and round it not to 16, as some might think, but round it to 20 billion, I don’t mind, let it be twenty. Billion.

          During this perestroika, during the perestroika, the liberal nation of the nation poured whole mountains, for greenbacks they are not capable of such things.
          That's just a lie it on faith can only accept boys born in the 90s and never lived in the USSR.
          By the way, the state expenditures of the USSR in the 70-80s exceeded $ 500 billion (those then, which were significantly more significant than the current ones), so even $ 20 billion would not be ruin for the USSR.
        6. Professor
          Professor 25 August 2013 16: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Corsair5912
          That's just a lie it on faith can only accept boys born in the 90s and never lived in the USSR.

          Crush me with information, so to speak, in numbers, not chatter.
          For example:
          http://ageconsearch.umn.edu/bitstream/23591/1/aer541.pdf
    2. sashka
      sashka 25 August 2013 12: 25 New
      +1
      Профессор А Вам Лень ?"поковырятся"Евреев не люблю..Более того терпеть не навиЖу.. Хотя возможно Вы обыкновенные люди
    3. I am a Russian
      I am a Russian 25 August 2013 12: 27 New
      +3
      Quote: Sasha
      I don’t like Jews .. Moreover, I don’t hate it .. Although maybe you are ordinary people


      "евреи обыкновенные" ...??? Новая нация?
    4. sashka
      sashka 25 August 2013 12: 31 New
      -2
      Common Jews with sauce ..
    5. nerd.su
      nerd.su 25 August 2013 13: 06 New
      +4
      Do you not like Jews? Yes, you just don’t know how to cook them laughing
  • 31231
    31231 25 August 2013 14: 25 New
    0
    Бггг. А " Джевиш сапиенс " это уже те, которые мигрировали в Израиль. А обыкновенные по прежнему на Дальнем Востоке паспорт РФ носят.
  • mirag2
    mirag2 25 August 2013 09: 27 New
    +1
    I don’t want to enter into a confrontation with anyone — 87g in Zelenograd (I’ve been living here since 87g) in shops — even the most seedy — there was such an assortment — cheese (1 grade — but always) cooked sausage (2-3 grades) cheese, milk, butter creamy, kefir, cream, bread. Always. I’m talking about a store near my house with an area of ​​3x2 meters and it’s true. But I probably didn’t fit on the counter anymore. Ah! yes, canned food is still fish-all kinds. Well, crabs, of course there was no saury there, sprats. And the fish paste sucks terrible. And a salad of seaweed. It's amazing how much it costs now, is there really such a crazy subsidy for it? Rather, nobody needed it, for no money.
    But then I remember the most terrible turn for a rubik's cube, I then studied in the 3rd grade. For my native Hungarian, after some time ours clumsy appeared.
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 25 August 2013 11: 12 New
      +2
      Well, this is in Zelenograd ... And in the backwoods already in the 83rd, we could buy sausage or cheese either home-made or going to a large city ... really large
  • alone
    alone 25 August 2013 16: 28 New
    +1
    and who imported Canadian wheat into the USSR in the early 80s? aliens?
  • Lopatov
    Lopatov 24 August 2013 19: 38 New
    +1
    Do not bring down. The mining is expensive at first, and the Saudis cannot even cope with the costs of sanctions against Iran.
    1. 31231
      31231 24 August 2013 21: 14 New
      +1
      Not much more expensive than the end of the eighties. Transnational mining companies and Saudis place their interests above the interests of the US leadership. Rather, the business runs the United States than the United States does business.
  • nerd.su
    nerd.su 24 August 2013 20: 03 New
    +6
    Quote: Professor
    You still tell that the shale revolution in the US is a bluff. I have already met such a definition. We will wait and see what will happen in Poland.

    Woke up. In Poland, it was all over.
    Инсинуации со сланцевым газом в Польше начались с публикации в апреле 2010 г. отчета компании Wood Mackenzie, оценившей запасы страны в 1,36 трлн кубометров газа из нетрадиционных источников. При этом гос. эксперты(понятно, откуда ветер дует?) США посчитали, что Польша имеет крупнейшие запасы сланцевого газа в Европе в размере около 5,3 трлн кубометров. Однако в марте 2010 сама Польша оценила запасы в скромные 346–768 млрд кубометров. Экспортерами поляки бы не стали, но самим бы хватило вместе с традиционными запасами газа на 35–65 лет потребления. Итог: "Американский нефтяной гигант Exxon Mobil отказался от планов добычи сланцевого газа в Польше, не получив удовлетворительных результатов после бурения разведочных скважин" - сообщила польская Gazeta Wyborcza. А до этого Exxon в 2009 году бросил проект в Венгрии стоимостью 75 млн долларов: компания нашла в скважине больше воды, чем газа.

    Shale gas is a bluff of pure water.
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 21: 06 New
      +8
      Quote: bot.su
      Shale gas is a bluff of pure water.



      bluffing guide dirty water.

      wink
      1. Oberst_71
        Oberst_71 25 August 2013 11: 26 New
        +1
        in June 2013, an earthquake occurred in the Kemerovo region due to a fracture. 5-8 points. so it will be with the production of shale gas
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 16: 17 New
    -10
    Quote: Professor
    The pipeline can be built without Syria and Turkey. From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are within easy reach.
    The Russian gas market will bring Poland down with its shale gas in the 2014 year.

    I put you a bold plus since you are right.
    1. KBPC50
      KBPC50 24 August 2013 16: 58 New
      +3
      Nothing will come of the Poles with shale. With this fabulous fuel already flew to the US. The bourgeoisie simply did not correctly understand geology.
    2. atalef
      atalef 24 August 2013 20: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      From Red to Mediterranean, it has already been built, and there, Cyprus and Greece are just around the corner.

      An agreement was signed (a month ago) on the laying of a gas pipeline from Israel to Cyprus and to Greece. At the same time, a 400 kV cable will be laid for the Israel-EU, Cyprus-EU energy system associations.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 22 New
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        An agreement was signed (a month ago) on the laying of a gas pipeline from Israel to Cyprus and to Greece.

        And not vice versa, from Cyprus to Israel? It’s not just that you butted Turks from behind Cyprus.
        1. atalef
          atalef 24 August 2013 21: 32 New
          -1
          Quote: Spade
          And not vice versa, from Cyprus to Israel? It’s not just that you butted Turks from behind Cyprus.

          Yes you are laughing. What can Cyprus give to Israel? They do not produce their own gas, and all the generating capacities of the Cyprus energy system - 12% of Israel.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 24 August 2013 21: 35 New
            +1
            And then what kind of graters with Turkey in the Cyprus region?
      2. 31231
        31231 24 August 2013 21: 37 New
        +2
        The total cross section of the cable cores do not tell me ?!
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 August 2013 16: 55 New
    +4
    Западные сценаристы провокаций видят, что наемники-бандиты в Сирии не могут победить армию Асада, начали прибегать к соей излюбленной тактике - провокациям. Россия и раньше предупреждала. что боевики применяли ОВ. Но Совет безопасности ООН практически не реагировал на эти сигналы. После длительных проволочек эксперты ООН наконец то прибыли в Сирия. И тут как по волшебству армия Б.Асада "применила отравляющие вещества". Даже неискушенному в политике понятно, что это грубо срежиссированное действо западных спецслужб.
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 24 August 2013 16: 56 New
    +3
    Urgently to Syria S-300. PIECES 50, 4 pieces per installation = 200. Then they will deal with Geyropa.
  • KBPC50
    KBPC50 24 August 2013 17: 02 New
    0
    Mr. Fabius Laurent is a well-known personality in politics. And you cannot understand him. Indeed, one wants to grab the floor of Syria, which probably his relatives owned as their own garden.
    1. Oberst_71
      Oberst_71 25 August 2013 11: 21 New
      0
      one word jew
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 17: 15 New
    +2
    если так и дальше пойдет то из-за Сирии может начаться настоящая третья мировая война, а тогда всем будет плевать на то кто применял химическое оружие как говорил древнегреческий драматург Эсхил "На войне первой погибает истина"
    1. shinobi
      shinobi 24 August 2013 17: 38 New
      +1
      Of course, everything is being prepared for this. America and Russia must grapple, and since it will be directly kirdyk to the whole world, then indirectly somewhere in the third world countries.
      1. alone
        alone 24 August 2013 17: 54 New
        +3
        do you think Syria is worth starting the third world war because of it?))))
        1. Sandov
          Sandov 24 August 2013 18: 29 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          do you think Syria is worth starting the third world war because of it?))))


          Yes amers do not care, they hope to sit out at home.
          1. alone
            alone 24 August 2013 18: 38 New
            +5
            World War 3 is only possible between Americans and Russia. And it will start with nuclear strikes. Do you think America does not understand this? They are not so stupid.
    2. 31231
      31231 24 August 2013 20: 39 New
      +1
      For Vietnam and Korea has not begun, do you really think that since then something has changed ?!
      1. Raiven
        Raiven 24 August 2013 21: 14 New
        +1
        hmm, but these countries were worth it to destroy humanity as a species and all life on Earth?

        Easier to help locals than start Armageddon
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  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 17: 48 New
    0
    Quote: KBPC50
    Urgently to Syria S-300. PIECES 50, 4 pieces per installation = 200. Then they will deal with Geyropa.

    Soon we ourselves will go there with our T-90, T-80, T-72, S-300, and combat aircraft, the Black Sea fleet and a large contingent to show these sodomites true democracy, and not the nonsense they are trying to peace impose. soldier
    1. alone
      alone 24 August 2013 17: 56 New
      +1
      wink Do you think Europe and the West will begin to bomb Syria? What are you going to shoot down with your S-300? Mortar shells of bearded men? The West may go there but not now
  • arminidi
    arminidi 24 August 2013 17: 50 New
    0
    Fabiuses do not calm down.