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Fascism in Ukrainian



On various talk shows on Ukrainian television, representatives of the Freedom party constantly say that they have no relation whatsoever, neither to the fascists, nor, especially, to the Nazis. However, the actions that conducts "Freedom" indicate the opposite.

So this time, in general, the holy cause, the reburial of the remains of the dead, the party "Freedom" turned into a Nazi sabbath.

Pay attention to the shape of people who are engaged in reburial. This is not a form of the OUN-UPA, which, albeit with a stretch, can be excluded from the list of war criminals (although there are more than enough crimes on their account), it is the Waffen SS form. An organization that all states, without exception, have recognized as a criminal organization. And what these guys were doing during the war, knows any student.

And the presence of the Ukrainian flag next to the SS-men, I personally, as a Ukrainian, insults and revolts. It would be much more appropriate to cover the coffins with the flag of Nazi Germany, at least, these people died behind it. Further on the action details:

In Lviv in with. Hologory of Zolochevsky district held a solemn ceremony of reburial of the remains of 16-x fighters from the division "Galicia". The remains of the fallen warriors were found by the search engines of the municipal enterprise of the Lviv regional council "Share."



Chin reburial began with a memorial service in a rural temple, reports Tsenzor. NO. Then, with a solemn march, the funeral procession moved to the cemetery, where the burial of the remains of the divisional soldiers took place. After the public meeting was held, at which Oleg Pankevich, people's deputy of Ukraine from Svoboda, deputies of the regional council, chairman of the village council, representatives of veteran public organizations and local activists spoke.



Speaking at the meeting, Svyatoslav Sheremeta, director of the enterprise, Share, noted that information about the burial of the enterprise’s search engines was long overdue. But only this year, thanks to the village head and the old-timers of the village of Hologory, they managed to find an abandoned burial of the divisional soldiers who died here in July of the 44. “Today, our fallen soldiers of the“ Galichina ”division, in the presence of a populous community, received a memorial prayer and military honors. Eternal memory of them,” said Svyatoslav Sheremet. He also thanked Oleg Pankevich, people's deputy of Ukraine, who was present at the reburial for the fact that in the 2007 year, being a deputy of the regional council, he initiated the creation of the public utility company Dolya. "During the operation of the CP ENP" Share ", its search engines found a lot of unknown abandoned burial places of Ukrainian patriots - fighters for the independence of Ukraine," the report said.



Recall that on July 10, the search engines of the Lviv Regional Council “Share” on the outskirts of the village of Gologory, Zolochiv District, found a sanitary burial site for victims of the Second World War. In the common grave, which in its size reached the 2x2 meter and was the depth of the 1,2 meter, the remains of sixteen people rested. According to the researchers of the ENT “Proportion” CP, the remains found belong to the soldiers of the “Galichina” division, which in July 1944, as part of the Wehrmacht’s troops, participated in the battle known in stories as "Brodovsky cauldron." The fact that the remains belong to the divisional warriors is confirmed by the artifacts found in the excavation site: remnants of cloth from uniforms, buttons from German uniforms, shoes, rings, awards and other items of military ammunition.



However, the specialists of KP "Share" have certain doubts that all the remains belong to the soldiers of the division. One of the awards found in the excavation, the so-called Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross, with a swastika and the indicated year 1939, could not belong to a divisional soldier. Consequently, as the enterprise director Svyatoslav Sheremet noted, there are grounds for asserting that among those who were buried in the grave are the remains of at least one Wehrmacht soldier.



At the same time, journalist Vakhtang Kipiani commented on this event: “A wild photo walks today on Facebook - our contemporaries in German uniform with a swastika on helmets participate in the funeral service of the SS Galicia who died in 1944. But incomplete information = manipulation. For At the reburial there were also reenactors in the Soviet form.



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  1. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 24 August 2013 07: 11
    50
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing? request
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 August 2013 07: 31
      29
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing?

      There is a struggle and a war. Yusch. to the tune of the United States and to his vile gut, he gave the green light to this scum, and Yanuca, due to his narrow-mindedness and not without a hint from "adviser Anna German", decided not to cover them up in order to win the sympathy of Western Ukraine. And the horror story for the people is "either me or the fascists." But...

      In Lviv region, the monuments to the leaders of the OUN-UPA were desecrated again.

      The attacks occurred in the Sambir region and in the resort town of Morshin.

      And in the Kamyanka-Buzhsky district, the bust of Stepan Bandera became the object of the attackers. The monument was tumbled down, injured the eye and beat off the nose. The inscription on the stand was also partially damaged.

      Residents of the village of Velikoselki installed it at their own expense in the fall of 2011.

      The police have not yet announced the initiation of a criminal case; it is also not known whether there are suspects in the commission of this crime.
      XXXX
      That's how we live! So far, the war of monuments, but soon we will see the living!
      1. maxvet
        maxvet 24 August 2013 07: 54
        +9
        Hello Egoza, tell me, what about the burial of Soviet soldiers being carried out, and if it is being done, how is this happening? I ask the question because I doubt very much that what is described in the article supports a significant part of the population of Ukraine.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 24 August 2013 09: 34
          10
          Quote: maxvet
          Tell me, are Soviet soldiers buried, and if so, how is this happening?

          Of course, they are held no further than on August 21 in the Dnepropetrovsk region, Sofievsky district on the site of the former High Farm with the participation of the governor of Dnepropetr. the region carried out the reburial of 89 remains of Soviet soldiers (by the way, the search was conducted jointly by Ukrainian and Russian groups from historical search organizations).
          http://www.adm.dp.ua/OBLADM/Obldp.nsf/(docweb)/824212B9FA2C5AFDC2257BCE0049E665?
          Opendocument
          1. maxvet
            maxvet 24 August 2013 10: 06
            +6
            Quote: vilenich
            Of course, they are held no further than on August 21 in the Dnepropetrovsk region, Sofievsky district on the site of the former High Farm with the participation of the governor of Dnepropetr. the region carried out the reburial of 89 remains of Soviet soldiers (by the way, the search was conducted jointly by Ukrainian and Russian groups from historical search organizations).

            This is worth mentioning in the article for completeness, otherwise it is one-sided somehow ...
            1. vilenich
              vilenich 24 August 2013 15: 33
              +3
              Quote: maxvet
              This is worth mentioning in the article for completeness, otherwise it is one-sided somehow ...

              So after all, the article is clearly custom-made, sticking out some separate perversions to the whole world.
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 24 August 2013 16: 46
                10
                Quote: vilenich
                This is worth mentioning in the article for completeness, otherwise it is one-sided somehow ...

                What you call one-sided is actually a theme.
                The article is dedicated to the revival of fascism in one of the most affected countries in the Great Patriotic War.
                Would you like it to look like a roundup:
                "On August 21, in the Dnipropetrovsk region, Sofievsky district, on the site of the former farm Vysoky, with the participation of the governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region, 89 remains of Soviet soldiers were reburied" and right there next to it THIS?

                Personally, I would be corrupted by such a neighborhood.

                Quote: vilenich
                So after all, the article is clearly custom-made, sticking out some separate perversions to the whole world.

                These "individual perversions" are taking place before everyone's eyes with the tacit consent of the authorities. That is why they are scary. That is why such facts should not be ignored.
              2. nnz226
                nnz226 25 August 2013 01: 12
                +6
                The central government should sharply react to these "individual perversions", since the local government is expelled! And if in Kiiva they are silent and do not imprison the participants of the action for the propaganda of Nazism, it means that they support such an abomination, and therefore this is no longer a separate perversion, but a conscious act supported by the state!
        2. Joker
          Joker 24 August 2013 11: 57
          +9
          Pay attention to the shape of the people who are engaged in reburial.

          Pay attention to their faces and all questions will disappear by themselves, this is the face of a deaf. Mentally retarded.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 25 August 2013 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: Joker
            Pay attention to their faces and all questions will disappear by themselves, this is the face of a deaf. Mentally retarded.



            No wonder. Not Bulgarians, not Magyars, Not Gypsies, not Tatars, Not Lithuanians, not Poles, Not Romanians, not Slovaks, Not Ukrainians, not Germans - In a word, evil zapadentsy.
            The territory of the District of Galicia is a zone of iodine deficiency. "Of all the disorders, mental retardation is considered the most serious. In its extreme form, which is practically not observed today, this delay is expressed in significant mental retardation, cretinism, and in hypothyroidism, depending on the form, neurological manifestations or metabolic disorders with myxedema prevail. In moderate or weak forms, such disorders are expressed in a more or less pronounced decrease, sometimes even imperceptible, of mental functions, which, in turn, entails difficulties in mastering the school program in children and limits the competitiveness and productivity of adults. Numerous studies conducted in both industrialized and developing countries have shown that the IQ of school-age children living in regions with iodine deficiency decreases by more than 10 points ... " http://www.mif-ua.com/archive/article/22529
        3. Val_y
          Val_y 27 August 2013 11: 26
          0
          The South, East, South-East does not support, a little Center, but what to do, we bring up children in the correct understanding of historical processes, but the school (social experiments and manipulation of consciousness begin in the school curriculum). All lyric writers were removed from it, writers with a magnificent syllable are not studied, etc. Only Shevchenko, Lesya Ukrainka, new "scribblers" and others are studied (tears, pain, slavery, hopelessness, lies, etc.) Therefore, you have to tell and show at home what is true and what is false.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 35
        12
        Quote: Egoza
        In Lviv region, the monuments to the leaders of the OUN-UPA were desecrated again.

        Elena hi
        This is not desecration, it is in fact deserved during life.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 24 August 2013 17: 35
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This is not desecration, it is in fact deserved during life.

          I agree, Alexander! It’s just that I cited the official article, respectively, and its title, for those wishing to check.
          In general, pay attention! After all, both events take place in the same area! And this clearly shows that in the "Lviv region" - the cradle of these neo-fascists, there are people who do not accept them!
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    3. maxvet
      maxvet 24 August 2013 08: 50
      +1
      http://my.mail.ru/video/bk/vesti.ru/world/26009.html#video=/bk/vesti.ru/world/26

      009
      Such Ukraine is closer to me
    4. Suhov
      Suhov 24 August 2013 09: 33
      +3
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing? request

      The "circus" left, but the "clowns" remained ...
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        1. Suhov
          Suhov 24 August 2013 10: 45
          +5
          Quote: SHILO
          demic bungled!

          good THING!!! good
          These clowns are not just clowns, but also artists of the colloquial genre, it turns out ...
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    5. SHILO
      SHILO 24 August 2013 10: 20
      +9
      tronin.maxim
      Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing?


      We really play it out. It's scary to shoot - but you'll have to see.
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 24 August 2013 12: 26
        +4
        The most interesting thing is that you deleted the TRUTH - good luck! Ukraine steers. Soon we will not see such a funeral!

        Even so, you have to shoot!
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 12: 32
          +1
          Quote: SHILO
          Even so, you have to shoot!

          Kokoi is still a bloodthirsty hamster. Will you dirty your hands yourself? And wail if they shoot you?
          1. SHILO
            SHILO 24 August 2013 12: 39
            +3
            Prankster? If necessary, I'll stain you. By the way, Kars is written with a small. I won’t go to the emoticon. Sorry for the punctuation!
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 August 2013 14: 47
              +3
              Quote: SHILO
              If necessary, I'll stain you

              we'll see there
              Quote: SHILO
              By the way, Kars is written with small

              Why?
              Quote: SHILO
              Sorry for the punctuation!

              forgive
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                1. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 22: 59
                  +1
                  Quote: SHILO
                  I give the phone - 09539417
                  Call accept

                  Incorrectly dialed number.
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                    1. Kars
                      Kars 25 August 2013 00: 01
                      +4
                      Quote: SHILO
                      Karsik years 30 no more! called years xnumx sure_?

                      Are you still not only deaf, but also deaf? You were clearly told by 31.
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                  1. Kars
                    Kars 24 August 2013 23: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: SHILO
                    Ta yes 0951391407 Waiting

                    What else was to be expected. The type is buky, not be it. I couldn’t even write the number the first time. And then someone took the phone from him. His wife was, even though his voice was male.
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                      1. Kars
                        Kars 25 August 2013 00: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: SHILO
                        You give a fuck, they gave you a telefg

                        ))))))))))))
                        I called --- a booming voice in the receiver.

                        EEE. Ee shnik ,, EEE
                        I say Question Coca?

                        EEEEE
                      2. Day 11
                        Day 11 25 August 2013 00: 25
                        +1
                        What’s the truth? Although this is your internal showdown. Would-be with Russia-harnessed-would
                      3. Day 11
                        Day 11 25 August 2013 01: 02
                        +3
                        He wrote and thought. Was it made me an internationalist to talk like that? B.L., where are we going? They wanted to play us off, they did their job by 5
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                    3. Kars
                      Kars 25 August 2013 01: 12
                      +5
                      Quote: SHILO
                      Kars
                      dare nahuu:

                      This is an indicator of your mental development. By the way, what does not paint your position.
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 15: 58
        +8
        Quote: SHILO
        ? If necessary, I'll stain you

        I’m wondering how the Kars user, with his anti-Russian, pro-Western agitation, has grown up to the marshal on this site? Or was he skillfully disguised before?
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 02
          +4
          Quote: Setrac
          I’m wondering how Kars user, with his anti-Russian, pro-Western agitation

          How is this manifested? Facts to the studio!
          P.S. IMHO. The fact that he responds to "anti-Ukrainian" agitation (and non-stop accusations of all mortal sins on Ukraine) does not make him a "Westerner."
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 12
            +2
            Quote: Corneli
            How is this manifested? Facts to the studio!
            P.S. IMHO. The fact that he responds to "anti-Ukrainian" agitation (and non-stop accusations of all mortal sins on Ukraine) does not make him a "Westerner."

            I didn’t ask for cons) BUT ANSWER! Or we can't answer, and how cowardly we minus tihari?) Ugh, damn it ... they can't even say anything, just minus on the sly ... "heroes"!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 38
              +1
              Quote: Corneli
              I did not ask for cons)

              If someone answered you, it means they think that you are not hopeless, and will not be minus. And vice versa.
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 24 August 2013 17: 15
                +2
                Quote: Setrac
                If someone answered you, it means they think that you are not hopeless, and will not be minus. And vice versa.

                If they answered me "with a minus", then the person has an opinion and knowledge and is not afraid to defend it and argue in a dispute! And if the "adequate" comment is just a Tiharian minus ... then the person does not know what to say ... to my opinion. Not what he believes (blindly), especially when I, after the minuses (no answer), ask for an argument). From disputes, for example. with you, in spite of your (in my opinion, excessive enthusiasm for the Fomenko-Nosov theories), I learned and learned a lot of new things! It was banal to use the search, after reading various articles (which would not have occurred to me without a dispute). Many arguments were new to me and changed my initial opinion, made me treat some "facts" more critically (I'm talking about history ... I think you know)). And in this case, people (many), treat propaganda / news (momentary, beneficial to specific, current authorities as MEGA-FACTS!) Many, do not even try to check at least some banal facts (available to anyone, there would be a desire )). In this case, it turns out "the other way around"! A person simply does not know what to say (except "and Baba Yaga is against!"), But since what I wrote, it is not combined with the "general line of the media" to me just a minus ... no comments!
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 37
            +3
            Quote: Corneli
            non-stop accusations of Ukraine for all mortal sins

            So do not sin, live in peace. So as not to blame you do not need to give a reason for the charges. Accusations are the result, your actions are the reason.
            Let's not kill the murderers.
            Thieves in theft.
            So?
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 24 August 2013 17: 25
              +9
              Quote: Setrac
              So do not sin, live in peace. So as not to blame you do not need to give a reason for the charges.

              First: where did you get the idea that I "sin"? Nevertheless, I (and 90% of the Ukrainian population) are accused of the "sins" of a handful of thugs, on whom no one cares, except for certain "necessary media")
              Quote: Setrac
              Accusations are the result, your actions are the reason.

              Are you sho?) I went to bury Nazis in Nazi uniform? I can't even dream of this in my delirium! So with "cause" and "effect", you are clearly confused! There are enough fascists (exalted tipsters from the German swastika and other ...) in Russia too, but you are focusing on Ukraine! For it is conductive, beneficial ... to certain forces! And no more.
              Quote: Setrac
              Let's not kill the murderers.
              Thieves in theft.
              So?

              How is Mr. Serdyukov doing there? And his accomplices? Are they in jail? MB they were shot (as in the USSR they would have done). Or maybe they are "honest"? Didn't they steal anything? This is an example for the sake of ... and there are many ... such examples ...
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 24 August 2013 17: 55
                +5
                Quote: Corneli
                How is Mr. Serdyukov doing?

                The phrase about thieves and murderers in a general context, without application to Ukraine.
          3. bomg.77
            bomg.77 24 August 2013 16: 44
            +2
            Quote: Corneli
            Quote: Setrac
            I’m interested as a Kars user, with his anti-Russian, pro-Western agitation
            How is this manifested? Facts to the studio!
            P.S. IMHO. The fact that he responds to "anti-Ukrainian" agitation (and non-stop accusations of all mortal sins on Ukraine) does not make him a "Westerner."
            Sorry friend accidentally put a minus recourse I share your point of view about Kars! hi
          4. Corsair
            Corsair 25 August 2013 22: 38
            +3
            Quote: Corneli
            How is this manifested? Facts to the studio!

            Again the user's personal lawyer is "harnessed" Kars lol
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 25 August 2013 22: 53
              -4
              Quote: Corsair
              Again, the personal lawyer of the user Kars lol is "harnessed"

              Oh thank you! Mnu has already been written down as "personal lawyers") However, I'd rather be the "personal lawyer" of members of the forum like Kars or Akim, whose opinion and position I generally share, than people like you ... who change flags like gloves and support fierce Ukrainophobes like Atat or Sethrak, who do not answer ONE uncomfortable question for them and only tons of hatred towards "not removed" from you can be seen.
              1. Corsair
                Corsair 25 August 2013 23: 41
                +3
                Quote: Corneli
                However, I'd rather be the "personal lawyer" of members of the forum like Kars or Akim, whose opinion and position I generally share, than someone like you ... changing flags like gloves

                So I'll start:
                I have already "reported" about the "flag" on this thread;
                О Akim I will not argue, he has a healthy grain;
                WHAT unites you with Kars and his expressed position on NATO (in the light of your statements about the Union good )?
                Some kind of problem ... request

                Corneli Yesterday, 18: 18 ↑
                Quote: Essenger
                Ukrainians happy Independence Day!

                Thank you of course ... But it would be better if we celebrated USSR Day (well, or something like this ... without the Baltic states, but a powerful country ... and not just schA ()
                1. Corneli
                  Corneli 26 August 2013 00: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: Corsair
                  I won’t argue about Akim, he has a healthy grain;

                  Dooo ... otherwise I have not seen your "no disputes".
                  Quote: Corsair
                  WHAT unites you with Kars and its pronounced position on NATO (in the light of your statements about the good alliance)?
                  Some problem ... request

                  I am united with Kars by dislike for Ukrainophobes, respect for tank troops, respect for the military school of the USSR, a lack of understanding where there are so many flocks about Ukraine, where my country is openly poured with mud ... About his "pronounced" position (as I understand it, positive) on NATO ... I didn't see her request I, excuse me, do not have the time to read absolutely all the articles and all the comments. If he thinks that Ukraine should be a NATO member, I don’t support him in any way! So no "discrepancies"
                  Quote: Corsair
                  Thank you of course ... But it would be better if we celebrated USSR Day (well, or something like this ... without the Baltic states, but a powerful country ... and not just schA ()

                  Yes!
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 26 August 2013 00: 23
                  +3
                  Quote: Corneli
                  Yes!

                  And the "object" of the discussion has a different opinion, I will not provide links to his statements, because they need to be looked for, but laziness ...
                  And about "not arguing" with Akіm , I will say stereotyped - "The truth is learned in a dispute" ...
                3. Corneli
                  Corneli 26 August 2013 00: 30
                  -2
                  Quote: Corsair
                  And the "object" of the discussion has a different opinion, I will not provide links to his statements, because they need to be looked for, but laziness ...

                  Laziness, so laziness) I hope I answered, deployed and available to your ... hmm accusations?
                4. Kars
                  Kars 26 August 2013 09: 56
                  +2
                  Quote: Corsair
                  And the "object" of the discussion has a different opinion, I will not provide links to his statements, because they need to be looked for, but laziness ...

                  A branch is not in vain laziness then. They lied to the branch.

                  For now, I am still for the non-aligned status of Ukraine. And can you explain why the Russian Federation conducts regular joint exercises with the criminal organization of NATO, in your opinion.
                5. Corsair
                  Corsair 26 August 2013 13: 01
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  For now, I am still for the non-aligned status of Ukraine. And can you explain why the Russian Federation conducts regular joint exercises with the criminal organization of NATO, in your opinion.


                  In fact, the commentary said about "the discrepancy between your views (assessments) of the USSR and the views ofCorneli"But once about NATO, then let's laughing :

                  You need to KNOW the enemy, "feel" him ...
                  Advantages of the Russian approach to army training - will strengthen the confidence of the military that NATO can be beaten,shortcomings identified in such exercises - will set the direction for improvement.

                  So nothing special, purely mercantile interests ...
                6. Kars
                  Kars 26 August 2013 15: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Corsair
                  about "the discrepancy between your views (assessments) of the USSR and the views of Corneli"

                  Quote: Corneli
                  As for his "pronounced" position (as I understand it, positive) on NATO.

                  Quote: Corsair
                  WHAT unites you with Kars and its expressed position on NATO (

                  Quote: Corsair
                  You need to KNOW the enemy, "probe" him ..

                  excuse
                  Quote: Corsair
                  It’s possible that NATO members can be beaten, while the deficiencies identified in such exercises will set the direction for improvement.
                  Type NATO at the same time do not see your shortcomings, etc., etc.

                  at the same time, nevertheless, it doesn’t take off cooperation with a criminal organization, it’s interesting, but the police conduct joint exercises with bank robbers?)) 0
                7. Corsair
                  Corsair 26 August 2013 20: 40
                  0
                  There is no need to "take" quotes out of context, because I wrote:

                  WHAT unites you with Kars and its expressed position on NATO (in the light of your statements about the Union)?
                  Some kind of problem ...

                  A person who stands up for the Union cannot be an ally who "does not see a criminal organization in NATO" (also write on the website that the United States and its satellites, by the way, who are members of this "organization", are going to act according to the law with regard to Syria) .. ...


                  [/ quote] Type NATO at the same time do not see your flaws, etc., etc.

                  at the same time, nevertheless, it doesn’t take off cooperation with a criminal organization, it’s interesting and the police conduct joint exercises with bank robbers?)) 0 [/ quote]

                  An unsuccessful example, known for the "bulk" of cases of assistance to the criminal world and the police to ensure its effective work.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 24 August 2013 16: 32
    +2
    hi
    Quote: Setrac
    I’m wondering how the Kars user, with his anti-Russian, pro-Western agitation, has grown to a marshal on this site
    Because he is a marshal of (deservedly) armored forces, the tank will disassemble and assemble. I did not notice anything anti-Russian in his comments, rather he is for Ukraine, which does not mean that it is against Russia.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 49
      +5
      Quote: bomg.77
      rather, he is for Ukraine, which does not mean that against Russia.

      It does not matter for whom, tearing Russian territory from the Russian state is against Russia. You can polemicize arbitrarily, justifying betrayal, this will not justify the traitors. For Ukraine in isolation from Russia-it is against Russia, this is your Kars.
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 24 August 2013 17: 17
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        Quote: bomg.77
        rather, he is for Ukraine, which does not mean that against Russia.

        It does not matter for whom, tearing Russian territory from the Russian state is against Russia. You can polemicize arbitrarily, justifying betrayal, this will not justify the traitors. For Ukraine in isolation from Russia-it is against Russia, this is your Kars.

        Dear Setrak, I’m not polemicizing but saying what I see, but you are sinning because you are talking about an independent de facto state. Ukraine and Belarus need to be attracted kindly so that they themselves come to this, and not drag on the lasso. Kars so answers you because you project the behavior of hundreds of scholars on the whole Ukrainian people. Any normal person will defend his homeland and his fellow tribesmen even if they are wrong. hi
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 August 2013 17: 59
          +7
          Quote: bomg.77
          Kars so answers you

          In Russia, there is no anti-Ukrainian hysteria, in Ukraine - anti-Russian is clearly observed, so your passage about defense is by, no one attacks Ukraine. You attack Russia in response to the defense of the Russians.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 15
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            In Russia, there is no anti-Ukrainian hysteria, in Ukraine - the anti-Russian is clearly observed, so your passage about defense is past, no one is attacking Ukraine.

            SHTOOO ??? !!! Do you at least READ THIS site? HERE Ukrainians attack Russian (Russians) ??? You just LOOKED TOTALLY !!! Or those articles about Ukraine (which are more than about all the other 13 republics of the USSR TOGETHER TAKEN) despite the fact that according to users - "Ukraine is not interesting for them" is this an optical illusion?
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 24 August 2013 19: 33
            +6
            Quote: Corneli
            HERE Ukrainians attack the Russians (Russians) ???

            Fair reproaches that the Ukrainian government is pulling its country to the side of the enemies of ALL Slavs can not be compared with those mats, lies and insults to which all Russian is subjected to on Ukrainian sites.
          3. Luna
            Luna 25 August 2013 09: 02
            +2
            I suggest opening any two sites
            You Russian
            I am Ukrainian
            and write the headings of articles and news feeds relating to Ukraine and Russia for the last 2-3 days
            And even then we will argue with whom is hysteria.
          4. Corneli
            Corneli 25 August 2013 22: 15
            -2
            Quote: Luna
            I suggest opening any two sites
            You Russian
            I am Ukrainian
            and write the headings of articles and news feeds relating to Ukraine and Russia for the last 2-3 days
            And even then we will argue with whom is hysteria.

            If this is for me, then specify the parameters .... who chooses and so on ... it will be interesting)
      2. bomg.77
        bomg.77 24 August 2013 20: 48
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        In Russia, there is no anti-Ukrainian hysteria, in Ukraine - anti-Russian is clearly observed, so your passage about defense is by, no one attacks Ukraine
        Sometimes it slips, especially when the topic is about gas or the desire of some Ukrainian comrades in the EU and NATO, and you cannot deny it.
        Quote: Setrac
        . You attack Russia in response to the defense of the Russians.
        You? I’m not from Ukraine and not Ukrainian
      3. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 21: 10
        +4
        Quote: bomg.77
        You? I’m not from Ukraine and not Ukrainian

        All the more incomprehensible your efforts, go through the Ukrainian sites! Stupid obscenities and insults against Russia flatters their pride. On the Russian site, the Ukrainian will not be offered to "jerk off" to the Ukrainian flag!
      4. bomg.77
        bomg.77 24 August 2013 21: 56
        0
        Quote: Setrac
        Especially incomprehensible your efforts, go through the Ukrainian sites!
        I am for objectivity! Sites are not an indicator that everyone in Ukraine thinks so.
      5. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 22: 05
        +4
        Quote: bomg.77
        I am for objectivity! Sites are not an indicator that everyone in Ukraine thinks so.

        But objectivity is such, yes, ordinary Ukrainians are for Russia, for the Customs Union, but the Ukrainian government is against Russia, is Russophobic propaganda and is not going to listen to its people, which can be seen on Ukrainian sites.
      6. Kars
        Kars 24 August 2013 22: 33
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        a, ordinary Ukrainians for Russia, for the Customs Union

        But where did you get this from? Did you conduct some kind of poll? A simple Ukrainian by and large has no opinions on these issues.
        Quote: Setrac
        against Russia, leads Russophobic propaganda

        As such, there is no propaganda against the Russian Federation, even though you throw up the reasons yourself. Maybe we need to be glad in the media that the wagons on your customs clearance stand for weeks, they get x-rays twice, the socks are recounted)))
      7. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 04
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        But where did you get this from? Did you conduct some kind of survey?

        If communication with citizens of Ukraine can be called a survey, then yes, a survey.
        Quote: Kars
        A simple Ukrainian by and large does not have opinions on these issues.

        Do you think Ukrainians are stupid? Do you think they can’t have an opinion? In my opinion, you only mow under the Ukrainian!
        Quote: Kars
        maybe we need to be glad in the media that the trucks are standing on your customs clearance for weeks

        They told you, let's live together, no so no, what are the claims? We guard our border as we see fit.
      8. Kars
        Kars 24 August 2013 23: 08
        +3
        Quote: Setrac
        - yes, the survey.

        Where, when, the number of respondents, etc.

        Quote: Setrac
        Do you think Ukrainians are stupid? Do you think they can’t have an opinion? In my opinion, you only mow under the Ukrainian!

        Well, not stupid, the opinion is superficial - I can’t even form an opinion about integration projects, have no rhetoric for not having accurate information. Of course Koshu, agent of the State Dep.
        Quote: Setrac
        But they said, let's live together, no so no, what are the claims? We guard our border as we see fit.

        Now, if you were to guard from ALL like that, there would be no claim
      9. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 33
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        Now, if you were to guard from ALL like that, there would be no claim

        This passage is incomprehensible. Join alliances, conclude agreements, where does your Foreign Ministry look?
        Quote: Kars
        Where, when, the number of respondents, etc.

        Where is the game world of World of Tanks and the Ukrainian clan I belong to
        When - recently.
        The number of respondents is several dozen.
      10. Kars
        Kars 24 August 2013 23: 56
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        This passage is incomprehensible. Join alliances, conclude agreements, where does your Foreign Ministry look?

        Germany is also in the vehicle? Or are its trucks also being inspected by itself? China? Baltic states?
        Quote: Setrac
        Where is the game world of World of Tanks and the Ukrainian clan I belong to
        When - recently.
        The number of respondents is several dozen.

        This is not an indicator, and not even funny. That’s what you can say mainly about the electorate of the Communists - and that’s only because most pensioners don’t understand that the Russian Federation is not the USSR. The rest of the parties are mostly for European integration. But I personally I would like to sit on both chairs.
        Quote: Setrac
        Is there a joke in every joke?
        Yes, what kind of jokes there can be. Under the personal leadership of B. Obama.
      11. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 00: 09
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        Germany is also in the vehicle? Or are its trucks also being inspected by itself? China? Baltic states?

        Ukraine cannot offer anything that is not produced in Russia.
        Quote: Kars
        only because most pensioners do not understand that the Russian Federation is not the USSR

        Well, what are communist pensioners? only youth who have come of age.
        Quote: Kars
        Yes, what kind of jokes there can be. Under the personal leadership of B. Obama.

        That's it, all a joke, except for words about the State Department.
      12. Kars
        Kars 25 August 2013 00: 13
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        Ukraine cannot offer anything that is not produced in Russia.

        This is the answer to the question about the inspection and customs clearance of trucks from Germany (EU)


        Well, don’t buy, but that's why it’s necessary to artificially put up a barrier, and not just - no, we don’t have to, but to bast it? Isn’t it mean? The French seem to have decided to import Chinese goods at only two ports))) they really it hit.

        Quote: Setrac
        which retirement communists? only youth who have come of age.
        And how many are there in the CPU? 1%? 10%

        Quote: Setrac
        That's it, all a joke, except for words about the State Department.

        Naturally. State Department
      13. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 00: 58
        +3
        Quote: Kars
        And how many are there in the CPU? 1%? 10%

        What does the CPU in general?
        Quote: Kars
        Not mean?

        Not mean, but very indicative of how it could be.
        Quote: Kars
        Well don't buy

        And I don’t buy Ukrainian products, from the principle (like any other country) if there is a Russian counterpart.
      14. Kars
        Kars 25 August 2013 01: 16
        +2
        Quote: Setrac
        What does the CPU in general?

        Quote: Kars
        what you are talking about can be said mainly only about the electorate of the Communists - and that is only because most pensioners do not understand that the Russian Federation is not the USSR

        Quote: Setrac
        Well, what are communist pensioners? only youth who have come of age.


        I have not heard about the youth communist party.

        Quote: Setrac
        Not mean, but very indicative of how it could be.
        Vile, vile.

        Quote: Setrac
        And I don’t buy Ukrainian products, from the principle (like any other country) if there is a Russian counterpart.
        You aren’t, but then did the wagons go to someone? So there is demand and interest. Show the Germans, or Italians. And even better the Americans))) just not selectively, and so they took all the checks to the whole import)))
      15. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 01: 44
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        You aren’t, but did the trucks go to someone? So there is demand and interest.

        There is a demand for certain goods, and not just for Ukrainian ones. It is clear that not Italian furniture and spare parts for German cars are brought from Ukraine, and certainly Intel processors are not manufactured in Ukraine.
        Quote: Kars
        Vile, vile.

        It would be vile to immediately close it completely, and so they gave you time to think, that’s how they document it - then everything will be much worse.
        Quote: Kars
        I have not heard about the youth communist party.

        I heard, but not interested.
      16. Kars
        Kars 25 August 2013 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        There is a demand for certain goods, and not just for Ukrainian

        This is such a question to the question of who were driving the trucks with Ukrainian goods? Which is naturally not Italian furniture. Something you are jumping weakly.
        Quote: Setrac
        It would be vile to immediately close completely,

        It would be honest to announce and close in a month,
        Quote: Setrac
        I heard, but not interested.
        And of course she is not under the touch of Simonenko.
      17. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 12: 35
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        This is such a question to the question of who were driving the trucks with Ukrainian goods? Which is naturally not Italian furniture. Something you are jumping weakly.

        You have nothing to cover here and find fault with the form and not the content.
        Quote: Kars
        It would be honest to announce and close in a month,

        Let the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine clean its ears and wipe the eyepieces, there were warnings and more than once.
      18. Kars
        Kars 25 August 2013 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        You have nothing to cover here and find fault with the form and not the content

        You have nothing to cover the campaign with, and you are ashamed to answer a simple question.
        Quote: Setrac
        Let the Foreign Ministry of Ukraine clean its ears and wipe the eyepieces, there were warnings and more than once.

        It wasn’t. Unless of course you prove that European suppliers are subjected to similar customs procedures. We don’t need preferences, we are just like everyone else, or don’t say that it’s fair, fair, white and fluffy.
      19. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 13: 50
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        . We do not need preferences, please, too, like everyone else, or don’t say that it’s honestly-fair-white-fluffy.

        With each in different ways, "like everyone else" still needs to be earned. Ukraine has been on the Russian market for twenty years, but not for horse feed, the time for gingerbread has passed, the time for whips has come, in the end it is Ukraine that is trying to stay on the Russian market, not Russia in the Ukrainian one. But if Ukraine wants to stay in our market, then it will have to give something in return, the freebie is over.
      20. Day 11
        Day 11 25 August 2013 13: 59
        +4
        I agree! KARS, it’s time to decide! Either you are with us or against us. There is no other way. And all this shnyagu (we are in the EU, but not against you), ignore. Yes you are not a stupid person and you know all this
      21. Kars
        Kars 25 August 2013 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        whether you are with us or against us. There is no other.

        strange statement of the question. Can you stop selling oil and gas to enemies? It’s not clear, they are against you and you are selling them carriers, Keep the RF Stabilization Fund in US Treasury bonds)))
    2. Kars
      Kars 25 August 2013 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      then she will have to give something in return, the freebie is over.

      A freebie never was.
      And the WTO will tell how everything will be.
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 25 August 2013 05: 34
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    The rest of the parties are mostly for European integration. But I personally would like to sit on both chairs.


    hello kars hi Sorry to get into polemics! but they laughed a little smile

    HERE! Well, thanks for the start for frankness! it’s just that you answered with the exact words (thoughts) of your government of Yanukovych and the allegory of the electorate))! (and I suppose it is because of such duality and uncertainty that you have squabbles with odnokatstvami) and if many Ukrainians also think this is the main problem then it’s just impossible to sit on two chairs in the existing world anyway, you’ll have to make a choice anyway, either you are retiring under the wing of Russia or you are integrating with the old Europe of the third just not well, but you must understand this from you simply require certainty !! You are the last country on the map of Europe to make a choice in this big global game! Yes, and you see, it’s ugly, it’s even true for a self-respecting power to sit (on two chairs)!
    and note I don’t respect any of the pros and cons of the TS and the EU I just want to realize the political and historical consequences of this or that choice is the main thing in this matter!

    Well, a little about the war of trucks and products and everything else, but what you wanted and yes, Russia is fighting as best as it can for the return of Ukraine to the historical mainstream and with this the final closure of all disputes on this topic (gas products customs common currency neo-fascists Crimea) okay, but yes, there are two-channel ones like that (I’m not talking about you personally); dance chtoli? you are an intelligent person, you understand all this very well! Well, lastly, tell me who in Europe the EU will need your tanks A! they have enough of them there, but we need it in the meantime, they are our relatives in the USSR and we all need them together and we need planes and rockets we have been building it all together for hundreds of years and now we are not enemies stupid to her god! so you think okay about it!

    just no offense, okay, I really like to read your comments about technology hi
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 09: 35
    +1
    Quote: regressSSSR
    zvinte that got into polemics! but they laughed a little

    Happy to help.
    Quote: regressSSSR
    the choice is either you are retreating under the wing of Russia or you are integrating with the old Europe of the third

    A nth province of China? A subprotectorate of Arab sheikhs?
    Quote: regressSSSR
    Yes, and you see, it’s ugly, it’s even true for a self-respecting power to sit (on two chairs)!

    Yes, for some reason, it’s just not true. The more chairs the better. Only someone presses something.
    Quote: regressSSSR
    screaming as best he can for the return of Ukraine to the historical channel and with this the final closure of all disputes on this topic

    What can I say, she will get the opposite result from what she expects.
    Quote: regressSSSR
    Well, who in Europe the EU will need your tanks

    RF and UVZ they are unnecessary all the more
  • regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 25 August 2013 21: 10
    +2
    yes Kars you are impenetrable like the armor of the t-90 tank hi
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 21: 11
    +1
    Quote: regressSSSR
    yes Kars you are impenetrable like the armor of the t-90 tank

    BM Oplot
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 21: 19
    +1
    And which is better-T-90S or "OPLOT"?
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 22: 31
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    And which is better-T-90S or "OPLOT"?

    Naturally BM Oplot, from the T-90 series, only the T-90MS technology demonstrator is close to it in parameters
  • svp67
    svp67 25 August 2013 22: 36
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    Naturally BM Oplot
    Here you are like the "Kulik" who "praises his swamp."
    Send your "Oplot" to Alabino or invite to yourself, to this kind of competition, then it will become clear who and what is worth ... If you don’t want to, send the Thais ... I think that Oplot will be great to handle and T72B3
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 22: 42
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    send your "Oplot" to Alabino

    Maybe we’ll come --- only if you drive it on production tanks - BM Bulat is quite enough.
    And then they already started thinking about tuned tanks))
    By the way, did you see the pictures in Alabino?
  • svp67
    svp67 25 August 2013 23: 08
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Maybe we’ll come --- only if you drive it on production tanks - BM Bulat is quite enough.
    Well, of course, a series of ten cars cannot be called anything other than "experienced", so we will not wait for "Oplot" ... Well, bring the "damask 64", let's not see much You ruined it there ...
  • svp67
    svp67 25 August 2013 23: 09
    +2
    Quote: Kars
    By the way, did you see the pictures in Alabino?
    Melkoscope under repair, do not tell me what they wrote in this "folk painting"?
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 23: 16
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Of course, a series of ten cars cannot be called anything other than "experimental", so we will not wait for "Oplot".

    Well this may change by next year.

    Quote: svp67
    Well, bring the "damask 64" let's see not much You spoiled it there

    It would be interesting. As well, however, it is interesting why the T-80 was not released against the T-72
    Quote: svp67
    Melkoscope under repair, do not tell me what they wrote in this "folk painting"?

    Well, not folk
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/08/72_22.html
    such articles on VO for some reason not.
  • maxvet
    maxvet 29 August 2013 08: 48
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Well, not folk
    http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/08/72_22.html
    such articles on VO for some reason not.

    I was ashamed ...
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 August 2013 01: 53
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    By the way, did you see the pictures in Alabino?

    The usual mindlessness of creatives, one can only wonder how they did not "manage" to portray "Leclerc" for example ...
    And so it turns out the T-72 in service with the 1967 fellow
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 August 2013 02: 06
    -1
    The 2nd Leopard is very super! Kars will not let us lie. If we can unite with Germany --- who can defeat us?
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 09: 58
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    The usual mindlessness of creatives, one can only wonder how they did not "manage" to portray "Leclerc" for example ...

    You’re ridiculous))) in your opinion none of the military customers will sign the layout before printing)))

    But the merkava on the poster of the party of Edinoros has already been depicted - but there is at least an excuse - not the military ordered.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 August 2013 11: 46
    0
    Quote: Kars
    You’re ridiculous))) in your opinion none of the military customers will sign the layout before printing)))


    Signs! .... What kind of "FIFA" from the RF Ministry of Defense is responsible for advertising. Formally, SHE may well be a "military man", but in fact it is not known what she is being held for laughing
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 August 2013 11: 55
    +1
    Yes, they have a "specific" organ. That's what they hold for
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 15: 25
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    What kind of "FIFA" from the RF Ministry of Defense is responsible for advertising.

    Well, yes or a fat-bellied general))
    Quote: Corsair
    but in reality it’s not known why they are holding it

    that's how you find out exactly who signed then and start to tell something who, who holds what for)) it’s interesting, and the soldiers who walked by couldn’t notice the mistake and remove the poster from shame away - what didn’t turn out to be?
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 August 2013 22: 14
    +3
    Kars, maybe you like perversions? It’s just that Ukraine (as a whole) does just that, I’ll explain:
    1. It does not have its own position, but only its own hysteria.
    2. Has no armed forces, but wants to be respected and listened to.
    3. Behaving in every way defiantly, trying in every possible way to annoy the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, I'm talking about Crimea, RUSSIAN territory, still has the audacity to play on this map.
    4. He accuses Russia of all sins, I don’t need to say that he doesn’t accuse me, I already wrote about this to you.
    5. Offended when they tell her in fact, and she then thinks that everyone owes her.
    Etc etc etc etc etc

    Pure perversion, anyway.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 22: 29
    -1
    Quote: Marrying
    Kars, maybe you like perversions? It’s just that Ukraine (as a whole) does just that, I’ll explain:
    Etc etc etc etc etc
    Pure perversion, anyway.

    Not Kars, but to argue the identity of hunting)
    Quote: Marrying

    1. It does not have its own position, but only its own hysteria.

    Maybe you are simply NOT INTERESTED in Ukraine's position? Or are you not aware of this position (you are not watching / reading Ukrainian media, but Russian ones). Accordingly, to judge the "position" of Ukraine in the last year on the basis of PROMOTION of the Russian media ... is extremely subjective and one-sided.
    Quote: Marrying
    2. Has no armed forces, but wants to be respected and listened to.

    Oh "lyshenko"! 140 thousand people 3rd, 4th place in number in Europe (the army is more / or equal to the German, Spanish or Italian), apparently, they are also in ... not put ... and their opinion is not considered. The DPRK army has 1.1150 million people. 4/5 place in the world, maybe even more than in Russia! Strongly reckon with them? (and without nuclear weapons ... there would have been none)
    Quote: Marrying
    3. Behavior in every possible way defiantly, trying in every possible way to annoy the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, I'm talking about Crimea, RUSSIAN territory, still have the audacity to play on this map.

    If Crimea is a "Russian territory" then why is it a part of Ukraine? And who is there for you (Russia) in the last 4 years "annoying" and even "in every possible way" and "defiantly"?
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 22: 36
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    4. He accuses Russia of all sins, I don’t need to say that he doesn’t accuse me, I already wrote about this to you.

    Here you can argue for a long time who blames whom more ...
    Quote: Marrying
    5. Offended when they tell her in fact, and she then thinks that everyone owes her.
    Etc etc etc etc etc

    And the current Russia, when they say she cheats agrees ... and there isn’t at least on this site, on this forum, even in this discussion of comments about Ukraine’s mythical debts ...
    Etc. etc.
    So the "perversion", in this case, is the powdered brains of some residents ... both in Ukraine and in Russia there are enough of them, and I don’t presume to argue with them anymore (But they are disgustingly many! (
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 22: 50
    +3
    Only about the DPRK army, let's not be. And now as I start ... By the way, they give you a week (no offense, fact)
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 August 2013 22: 55
    +3
    Quote: Den 11
    Only about the DPRK army, let's not be. And now as I start ... By the way, they give you a week (no offense, fact)


    Hi Denis!

    I support for all 100 !!! Only diversionary training is worth what !!!?

    And the basis of combat readiness is the presence of ideology, which is not available in some states!
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 23: 04
    +2
    Wow Sasha! They have only 20 special divisions of special forces! I think that the troops of the South Caucasus will not stand. Yes, there you can take Japan at the same dust!
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 23: 07
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    Wow Sasha! They have only 20 special divisions of special forces! I think that the troops of the South Caucasus will not stand. Yes, there you can take Japan at the same dust!

    Whose army is cooler? Russia or the DPRK? (without nuclear weapons)? Since you have DPRK doing Japan and South Caucasus?
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 August 2013 23: 13
    +1
    Quote: Corneli
    Whose army is cooler? Russia or the DPRK? (without nuclear weapons)? Since you have DPRK doing Japan and South Caucasus?


    It’s not cool! And in the approach to preparation.

    The DPRK special forces are narrowly specialized, but at the same time highly professional, with an accuracy close to 100. Each head of the family clearly knows that when the command "H" arrives, he moves to the specified area and performs the task from the envelope, if not, his family will be upset ...
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 23: 15
    0
    Are you still in doubt? Of course, the DPRK! Our lapasniki muzzles are red (even light a cigarette). And these are not burdened with such troubles.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 23: 18
    +3
    Quote: Corneli
    Whose army is cooler? Russia or the DPRK? (without nuclear weapons)? Since you have DPRK doing Japan and South Caucasus?

    In a local conflict (limited in time to a year) I put on Koreans. Do not compare with Ukraine - I am glad that we do not have a common border with them.
  • Arabist
    Arabist 25 August 2013 23: 28
    +1
    The DPRK army, to put it mildly, is slightly inferior to the Russian. To say the least.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 August 2013 23: 38
    +4
    Quote: Arabist
    The DPRK army, to put it mildly, is slightly inferior to the Russian. To say the least.


    The DPRK army in its philosophy will not fight against Russia. However, like the Russian army will not go to the DPRK.
  • Arabist
    Arabist 25 August 2013 23: 40
    +1
    Then I think this issue should be removed from the agenda.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 25 August 2013 23: 32
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    Whose army is cooler? Russia or the DPRK? (without nuclear weapons)? Since you have DPRK doing Japan and South Caucasus?

    The Americans will intervene in this conflict and the DPRK will cease to exist as a state.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 23: 44
    0
    Not a fact, old man, not a fact! And they need it? Plus Russia will not allow the Yankees to intervene!
  • Essenger
    Essenger 26 August 2013 02: 17
    +2
    Hello Denis.

    Americans have obligations to Koreans and Japanese.

    By the way, the question is why should Russia intervene there?
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 23: 26
    +3
    You can laugh at them, but these are warriors! Unfortunately, we lost it
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 August 2013 23: 30
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    You can laugh at them, but these are warriors! Unfortunately, we lost it


    We have not lost this school yet Denis! Another thing is not the will of the Emperor! And the specialists are still at work!
  • studentmati
    studentmati 25 August 2013 23: 46
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    You can laugh at them, but these are warriors! Unfortunately, we lost it


    The video is gorgeous, thanks Denis! good

    Wrong is the warrior who underestimates the enemy!
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 22: 36
    +2
    Quote: Marrying
    1. It does not have its own position, but only its own hysteria.

    There are positions.
    Quote: Marrying
    2. It has no armed forces, but wants to be respected and listened to.

    Strange it turns out, whoever has the baton more is right? What a banal person you are. And there are more countries with armies weaker than Ukraine than with an army stronger.
    Quote: Marrying
    In every possible way behaves provocatively, trying in every possible way to annoy the Russian Navy in the Black Sea, I'm talking about Crimea, RUSSIAN territory, still have the audacity to play on this map.

    This is the Ukrainian territory. And there’s no sense in this fleet, it’s just taking the place. You had to set the price normally, otherwise you drove the yanyki so much that he’s no longer been friends with the Russian Federation and headed for Europe.
    Quote: Marrying
    4. He accuses Russia of all sins, I don’t need to say that he doesn’t accuse me, I already wrote about this to you.
    She is not white and fluffy.

    Quote: Marrying
    . Offended when they tell her in fact, and she then thinks that everyone owes her.
    Etc etc etc etc etc
    Strange exact description of the Russian Federation
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 August 2013 23: 00
    +1
    Greetings dear Corneli.
    1.Maybe you are simply NOT INTERESTED in Ukraine's position? Or are you not aware of this position (you are not watching / reading Ukrainian media, but Russian ones). Accordingly, to judge the "position" of Ukraine in the last year on the basis of PROMOTION of the Russian media ... is extremely subjective and one-sided.
    I read a lot of European media, Ukrainian and Russian, though always somewhere in the middle. No dirt, really. Ukraine certainly has a position, but nobody is interested in it, let’s say, here you are right.
    2.Oh "lyshenko"! 140 thousand people 3rd, 4th place in number in Europe (the army is more / or equal to the German, Spanish or Italian), apparently, they are also in ... not put ... and their opinion is not considered. The DPRK army has 1.1150 million people. 4/5 place in the world, maybe even more than in Russia! Strongly reckon with them? (and without nuclear weapons ... there would have been none)
    The number is not bad, but the provision is poor, which hits the soldiers in the first place. In Russia, armaments are at least somehow updated, but not fast, and the DPRK troops with the technology of the 50s, their fanaticism can only play, otherwise their army is nothing.
    3.If Crimea is a "Russian territory" then why is it a part of Ukraine? And who is there for you (Russia) in the last 4 years "annoying" and even "in every possible way" and "defiantly"?
    Do you remember Khrushchev? He is Ukrainian, I think there shouldn’t be any more questions, I read in the UKRAINIAN mass media that the deputies are glad to offer, and I’m sinning.

    Etc. etc.
    4.So the "perversion", in this case, is the powdered brains of some residents ... both in Ukraine and in Russia there are enough of them, and I don’t presume to argue with them anymore (But they are disgustingly many! (
    And it is also, no doubt, difficult to argue here.
    With respect, I put the pluses on the answers so that they would not blame me later, since any opinion is interesting.
    Dear Kars, welcome!
    1. I agree, a little higher answered why.
    2. Banal? If you are genius, but without the support of an iron fist, no one will listen to you.
    3. Facts that this is Ukrainian territory, dates, documents. Let's see in a couple of years how you like this "Taste of Europe" You are a Westerner, you will agree and a liberal.
    4. Russia is not fluffy, I agree. But I say again to Ukraine, it is positioning itself as if everyone owes it.
    5. Again the facts please.
    Sincerely.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 23: 12
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    2. Banal? If you are genius, but without the support of an iron fist, no one will listen to you.

    The poor countries of Benelux)) and why do you think the UN came up with?
    Quote: Marrying
    3.Facts that are Ukrainian territory, dates, documents

    Ukraine is a recognized sovereign power whose borders are defined. And the Russian Federation pays us rent.
    Quote: Marrying
    ... Let's see in a couple of years how you like this "Taste of Europe" You are a Westerner, you will agree and a liberal.
    Well, I am Ukrainian)), and what is a liberal? What is expressed in my comments? In theory, I'm a progamist.

    Quote: Marrying
    But I say again to Ukraine, it is positioning itself as if everyone owes it.
    Maybe this seems to you? And more all the same, it seems that Russia should do something for Russia, for example, to join the CU))

    Quote: Marrying
    5. Again the facts please.

    Like you brought some facts.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 August 2013 23: 31
    +5
    Kars You are disingenuous and evasive in answers.
    1.UN, God, I thought it was a funny dog, on a chain that barks where they tell her. THANKS You opened my eyes.
    2. Is Ukraine sovereign of the 22 of the year, only from whom is it sovereign?
    3. Liberal .... hmm, I think you will find the answer to your question.
    4. Yes, I will say more, if it was possible, I would be glad if Ukraine would join the EU. I won’t even explain why.
    5. At least I read a lot of media from different countries, then formulate my opinion. And you only speak highly.
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 00: 04
    +1
    Quote: Marrying
    1.UN, God, I thought it was a funny dog, on a chain that barks where they tell her. THANKS You opened my eyes.

    What is the Russian Federation sitting in Owl Meringue there?
    Quote: Marrying
    2. Is Ukraine sovereign of the 22 of the year, only from whom is it sovereign?

    RF is also sovereign 22 years from whom?
    And from whom is Romania's sovereign? France? And so on.
    Quote: Marrying
    . Liberal .... hmm, I think you will find the answer to your question.

    I wanted in your performance
    Quote: Marrying
    4. Yes, I will say more, if it were possible, I would be glad if Ukraine would join the EU. I won’t even explain why
    Any distortions? And if everything is okay with us, what will you do?

    Quote: Marrying
    At least I read a lot of media from different countries, then I formulate my opinion. And you only speak highly.

    wow, you read the media, but why do you think that I don’t watch the news? I don’t read the ticker on the exchange channel?
    Quote: Marrying
    And you only speak highly.
    And so far you haven’t got it, if this is not my mistake, your third attempt to prove something to others with the help of a polemic with me, the last time you seemed to have transcribed with me rewriting.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 26 August 2013 00: 00
    0
    Quote: Kars
    Russian Ukraine

    Typo according to Freud ...?
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 00: 07
    +1
    Quote: chehywed
    Typo according to Freud ...?

    Think less about Freuds, still attribute my mistakes orthagrophic to Jung.
  • chehywed
    chehywed 26 August 2013 00: 21
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    still my errors orthagrophic Jung ascribe.

    Jung is what you did?
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 22: 40
    0
    Quote: regressSSSR
    it’s simply impossible to sit on two chairs in an existing world

    Not about that, but even so .... When Russia sells modern military technology and equipment to two ENEMIES - India and China, is it sitting on chairs?) And when the Russian media, then they are perplexed that the Indians ... sent them ... What is it like? And there are a lot of such examples ... though they are not accentuated and their type ... is not present! request
  • Setrac
    Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 33
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    Of course Koshu, agent of the State Dep.

    Is there a joke in every joke?
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 23: 05
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Do you think Ukrainians are stupid? Do you think they can’t have an opinion? In my opinion, you only mow under the Ukrainian!

    You are not Ukrainian at all! But you think that you know better than us Ukrainians
    Quote: Setrac
    And the objectivity is, yes, ordinary Ukrainians for Russia, for the Customs Union, but the government of Ukraine (of Russia) - against Russia (Ukraine), leads Russophobian (Ukrainophobic) propaganda and is not going to listen to his people, which can be seen including in Ukrainian (Russian) sites.

    A typical example, how from "changing the terms, the sum does not change"
    By the way, my wife (Russian, living in Ukraine) read this forum and just went nuts (and I didn't even know what I was reading) ... words / example: "I went to the West, spoke Russian ... all the rules. I went to Russia, told my friends a phrase in Ukrainian ... they started laughing ... What inadequate attitude are the Russians talking about here? " And as for the Nazis, she was also outraged, and offered to rummage in the net and then post photos of the Russian "Nazis" - the benefit of them in bulk.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 25 August 2013 23: 10
    0
    There is fascism in Russia, I’ll tell you more about it more and I’m no exception, but it is directed against the Gentiles in the first place, who spit on the traditions of my country, such as Caucasians and Asians, but of course I do not deny good people among them and I do not generalize more than all.
    But I support their expulsion from most of Russia, if it doesn’t work out, up to tough measures.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 24 August 2013 23: 17
    +1
    Quote: Setrac

    But objectivity is such, yes, ordinary Ukrainians are for Russia, for the Customs Union, but the Ukrainian government is against Russia, is Russophobic propaganda and is not going to listen to its people, which can be seen on Ukrainian sites.
    With this I agree! You +
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 23: 41
    -3
    Quote: Setrac
    All the more incomprehensible your efforts, go through the Ukrainian sites! Stupid obscenities and insults against Russia flatters their pride. On the Russian site, the Ukrainian will not be offered to "jerk off" to the Ukrainian flag!

    Sometimes, you get the feeling that you are only Ukrainian. sites go ... insults with obscenities and the most unreal proposals of sexual mmm ... "adventures" from Russian members of the forum on an opuitelny number of RUSSIAN sites met (read) many TIMES! (I did not even try to write cheto there ... why me to listen to who I am ... in different forms ..., I just read and my hair stood on end!) So you either read Russian sites, or hare to lie!
  • rexby63
    rexby63 25 August 2013 09: 08
    0
    Recently I was in the Cherkasy region, I did not observe any anti-Russian hysterics, but the fact that the Hasidim behave in Uman like cattle immediately caught my eye. By the way, fellow countrywomen! We never thought that the epithet "crest" is still offensive, and in Russia without it they can no longer name a Ukrainian in another way. So where is the hysteria?
  • Luna
    Luna 25 August 2013 10: 41
    0
    Maybe you are offended, but for me "ear" well, nothing. If there is a conversation on this topic, that's how I introduce myself. tongue
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  • rexby63
    rexby63 25 August 2013 14: 10
    0
    And I am not Ukrainian, but in conversations with Ukrainians I notice that not everyone is tolerant like you. Russians, on the other hand, often react very painfully to the innocuous, geographically-tied epithet "moscow". If they only knew what the Finns call us
  • Setrac
    Setrac 25 August 2013 12: 42
    +3
    Quote: rexby63
    Never thought that the epithet "crest" is still offensive

    Since when is the "crest" - an offensive curse? All of us are amused by the word - African American, now there will be ukroevropeytsy! Only Westerners see offense from this word. In the Kuban, "crest" is not a curse, considering how many people from Ukraine are here.
  • rexby63
    rexby63 25 August 2013 14: 15
    +1
    And why can't everyone be called simply - Ukrainian, Russian, German? And about the Kuban, at the moment we are talking about relations between Ukraine and Russia
  • Corneli
    Corneli 25 August 2013 15: 22
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Since when is the "crest" - an offensive curse?

    Do you feel the difference between "offensive word" and "offensive curse"?) "Salo-eater" is not a curse, it is the one who eats bacon. But it is applicable to a Ukrainian, this definition is insulting and has an insulting and derogatory connotation. If any word-term carries a certain offensive meaning (for the category normal people) and these people ask you not to do this, and you do, who are you and what are you trying to achieve?
    Quote: Setrac
    In the Kuban, "crest" is not a curse, considering how many people from Ukraine are here.

    So write like this on the Kuban sites, there it is apparently the norm.
    P.S. I can directly see how, instead of you, something like that would say which thread Lviv ... they say we all say so ... (what they say and as they are called, you’ll guess))
  • Setrac
    Setrac 25 August 2013 16: 42
    +1
    Quote: Corneli
    So write like this on the Kuban sites, there it is apparently the norm.

    Kuban is part of Russia, so this resource including the Kuban.
    Quote: Corneli
    If any term has a certain insulting meaning

    My mother is "x0khlushka" and my wife is "x0khlushka", I have been using this word since early childhood, and then some kind of "d_e_r_m_m_o" (not in relation to you, but in relation to the Westerners) will teach me how I should speak.
    Do not say what I need to do and I will not say where you need to go.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 24 August 2013 17: 33
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    It does not matter for whom, tearing Russian territory from the Russian state is against Russia. You can polemicize arbitrarily, justifying betrayal, this will not justify the traitors. For Ukraine in isolation from Russia-it is against Russia, this is your Kars.

    For Ukraine, apart from Russia, become a necromancer and resurrect your EBN (etozh your leader really wanted to steer)! Ask him first of all! You can’t, leave your ... chatter! We woke up after 20 years !!! To acheret - do not get up! So with all your "breaks" forward to the cemetery to Yeltsin! You can torture him and so on, for all the good ... And if you can't ... well, about "betrayal", the question is WELL VERY DISPUTED!
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 August 2013 18: 02
      +5
      Quote: Corneli
      Woke up in 20 years !!!

      It is Ukraine that woke up when they began to seize the undeserved preferences of Ukraine on the Russian market, this is howling the Ukrainian government, not the Russian one, to threaten with the courts and other punishments.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 23
        +1
        Quote: Setrac
        This Ukraine came to when began to seize undeserved preferences of Ukraine in the Russian market, it howls the Ukrainian government, not the Russian one, to threaten with the courts and other punishments.

        Do me a favor, describe in detail the enti "undeserved preferences" IN THE FACTS! Without your favorite congresses and sophistry, pliz! And it is EXTREMELY desirable with proofs!
      2. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 19: 29
        +8
        Quote: Corneli
        Do me a favor, describe in detail the enti "undeserved preferences" IN THE FACTS! Without your favorite congresses and sophistry, pliz! And it is EXTREMELY desirable with proofs!

        I will do, hmm, a favor.
        The admission of goods of another state to their markets is that "preference", not only in relation to Ukraine, but also in relation to other states. Belarus and Kazakhstan may justly be indignant, why should a state that is not a member of the Customs Union compete with us in the markets of this very union?
      3. rexby63
        rexby63 25 August 2013 14: 21
        -1
        And you name confectionery products of Belarus or Kazakhstan, which can compete with Roshen? Of the Russian, maybe only Red October.
        When customs duties on foreign auto scrap were raised, did you sing another song? And in your thoughts did not support the domestic auto industry?
      4. Setrac
        Setrac 25 August 2013 16: 45
        0
        Quote: rexby63
        When customs duties on foreign auto scrap were raised, did you sing another song? And in your thoughts did not support the domestic auto industry?

        I drive AvtoVAZ from the principle, despite the availability of some foreign cars.
      5. rexby63
        rexby63 25 August 2013 16: 56
        0
        And I ride Priore without any principles, simply because I like it. And at the same time I can bring more than one argument in her favor
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 00: 26
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    I will do, hmm, a favor.
    The admission of goods of another state to their markets is that "preference", not only in relation to Ukraine, but also in relation to other states. Belarus and Kazakhstan may justly be indignant, why should a state that is not a member of the Customs Union compete with us in the markets of this very union?

    Those. trade (mutually beneficial) with another state (in this case, Ukraine) is a "preference" and vaasche a huge favor from Russia))) And trade with China or Germany (they beat Ukraine on imports) is it a "favor"? Or are they Russian "allies"?)
    P.S. In 2011, the BIGGEST export from Russia was made ... to the Netherlands! (12,2% of the total volume, 2 times more than to China! 3 times more than to Germany and the CU !! 3,5 times more than to Ukraine !!!) ... Netherlands - 17 million people ... the most "gay country" possible ... MAIN Russian export partner! Why does Russia prefer to give "preference" to the world's top gays?)
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 August 2013 00: 32
    0
    The question is not addressed! Yours too, have established, damn it, business with Pakistan! Why do not you take our opinions into account?
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 00: 38
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    The question is not addressed! Yours too, have established, damn it, business with Pakistan! Why do not you take our opinions into account?

    Ukraine seems to be "bad" by default. (In addition, even about this deal, Russia is more likely to benefit directly. Ukraine -300 T-80 Pakistan, Russia -1,5 thousand T-90 India! I would even decide would be that this is a "criminal conspiracy" (Russia and Ukraine), with the aim of throwing gullible Indians and Pakistanis for loot)
  • Setrac
    Setrac 26 August 2013 00: 48
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    a large export from Russia was made ... to the Netherlands!

    In this case, we are talking about access to the Russian market, what does export from Russia have to do with it?
    Quote: Corneli
    Those. trade (mutually beneficial) with another state (in this case, Ukraine) is a "preference" and a huge favor from Russia)))

    Access to the Russian market for goods is beneficial for Ukraine, no mutually beneficial trade, and this is a HUGE favor from Russia.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 02: 59
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    Access to the Russian market for goods is beneficial for Ukraine, no mutually beneficial trade, and this is a HUGE favor from Russia.

    2012, as a result of trade from Russia to Ukraine, goods worth $ 27 billion were sold; from Ukraine to Russia, goods worth $ 17 billion were sold. Following your logic, Ukraine has done a great favor to Russia, as much as 10 lard.)
    Oh Setrak ... I've certainly heard enough of all kinds of nonsense in my life, including about Russia / Ukraine relations, but the statement about "HUGE favor"Russia, it de-authorizes Ukraine to trade ... breaks all records! wassat
    P.S. Continue in the same spirit, soon you will probably say that the fact that Ukraine is next to Russia is also a "HUGE favor")
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 10: 01
    +2
    Quote: Corneli
    ... Continue in the same spirit, soon you will probably say that the fact that Ukraine is next to Russia is also a "HUGE favor")


    So it has been said so for a long time already)) if it weren’t for the Russian Federation and its Black Sea Fleet, Turkey and Romania would occupy us a long time ago, but we rely on them.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 26 August 2013 11: 51
    +1
    Quote: Corneli
    Oh Setrak ... I have certainly heard enough of all kinds of nonsense in my life, including about Russia / Ukraine relations, but the statement about a "HUGE favor" to Russia, it de-allows Ukraine to trade with itself ... breaks all records!

    That's right, Ukraine also has its own market, it is empty and 10 times smaller than the Russian one. Ukraine just as well launches foreign goods on its markets, and this is also a favor, except in cases where these goods are not produced at home.
    What part of the billions you specify accounted for gas? If Ukraine had its own gas, would it buy it on the side?
    Quote: Corneli
    P.S. Continue in the same spirit, soon you will probably say that the fact that Ukraine is next to Russia is also a "HUGE favor")

    These are your fabrications.
  • Kars
    Kars 24 August 2013 17: 06
    +6
    Quote: Setrac
    Or was he skillfully disguised before?

    Always openly expressed his position especially against Ukrainophobia
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 August 2013 21: 28
      +3
      Quote: Kars
      Always openly expressed his position especially against Ukrainophobia

      If you are so "open", then reset your blacklist.
      1. Kars
        Kars 24 August 2013 21: 32
        +5
        Quote: Setrac
        If you are so "open", then reset your blacklist.

        Well, since they came up with a blacklist, it’s my right to use it. And they introduced it not so long ago.

        Profesor blacklisted me, even though trolling on a tank topic was my favorite activity, I am no worse. Moreover, this allows drugs not to be received from different psychos.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 August 2013 22: 18
          +1
          Quote: Kars
          . Moreover, this allows drugs not to be received from different psychos.

          Well, unless so.
          1. Kars
            Kars 24 August 2013 22: 29
            +1
            Quote: Setrac
            Well, unless so.

            As long as a person is interesting, he will not get into the emergency situation, but you are not there (possibly UNTIL) of the local Karsar. Some are just reluctant to read.
          2. Kars
            Kars 25 August 2013 00: 43
            +1
            smile RU Today, 00: 32 | Fascism in Ukrainian
            biglow
            I confirm, I was brought there after about the following words: "Well, how can you not understand that our discontent is directed not against Ukraine and the Ukrainians, but against the Banderaites. You are a clever girl, sorry for you" ... :))) and


            Well this is a lie.

            in an emergency I got on April 27 2013 21: 05
          3. Corsair
            Corsair 26 August 2013 00: 52
            +1
            Quote: Kars
            As long as a person is interesting, he will not get into the emergency situation, but you are not there (possibly UNTIL) of the local Karsar. Some are just reluctant to read.

            I didn’t understand ...
            Place punctuation marks, otherwise it turns out:
            "Execution cannot be pardoned" laughing
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 25 August 2013 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Setrac
      If you are so "open", then reset your blacklist

      Well, it’s you who really ask Kars beyond what is possible! wink
  • biglow
    biglow 24 August 2013 17: 28
    +9
    Quote: Setrac
    Quote: SHILO
    ? If necessary, I'll stain you

    I’m wondering how the Kars user, with his anti-Russian, pro-Western agitation, has grown up to the marshal on this site? Or was he skillfully disguised before?

    everything is very simple, he blacklisted all those who disagree with him.
    1. sichevik
      sichevik 24 August 2013 19: 48
      13
      By the way, I never seemed to communicate with Kars, I always read with interest his comments on armored vehicles, admired his knowledge of this industry. But he also blacklisted me. I don’t even know what for? It seems that the fellow countryman is from Zaporozhye. He’s strange somehow ...
      Well, okay, we are not proud people - we will somehow live without his communication. Not so important person this car.
      And on the topic - I want to take something gunshot and shoot all these ubl / yudk in the SS form. Honestly, my hand would not flinch and then my conscience would not torment. I looked at the photo and it seemed like the monitor was doused with dirt. I want to wash it.
      1. Neksel
        Neksel 25 August 2013 15: 50
        +5
        Quote: sichevik
        I want to take something gunshot and shoot all these ubl / yudk in the SS form. Honestly, my hand would not flinch and then my conscience would not torment. I looked at the photo and it seemed like the monitor was doused with dirt. I want to wash it.


        Absolutely agree!!!!! ++++++.
        There are no other words.
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 24 August 2013 21: 21
      +9
      Quote: biglow
      everything is very simple, he blacklisted all those who disagree with him.

      I absolutely agree, he applied the same trick to me, although the disagreements were rather miserable.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 26 August 2013 01: 19
        0
        Quote: vilenich
        I absolutely agree, he applied the same trick to me, although the disagreements were rather miserable.

        And I ("in absentia", in the commentary quotes from one of the users) threatened to "send" to an emergency request crying
    3. smile
      smile 25 August 2013 00: 32
      +6
      biglow
      I confirm, I was brought there after about the following words: "Well, how can you not understand that our discontent is directed not against Ukraine and the Ukrainians, but against the Banderaites. You are clever, sorry for you" ... :))) and that's it , hello .... :)))) at the same time, I never allowed to run into him, which I often sin, and even more so I did not send a single personal message, I do not abuse this business ... :)))) Very open , a guy ready to defend his position ..... :))))
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 August 2013 00: 42
        +1
        Great Volodya! For a long time you were gone! Where did you go?
        1. smile
          smile 25 August 2013 01: 07
          +1
          Day 11
          It’s great! :))) Yes, I didn’t seem to disappear anywhere .... I try to appear regularly ... just time .... I try to at least read, and it doesn’t work out very well .... where can I write comments on each article ... :)))
    4. Lech from ZATULINKI
      Lech from ZATULINKI 25 August 2013 19: 48
      +3
      car on a black list - on your own skin, let him take part.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 25 August 2013 00: 21
    +1
    Old man, Kars, don’t touch it. It has grown because it drags in armored vehicles (really-convinced). And politics --- everyone has their own truth
    1. Neksel
      Neksel 25 August 2013 15: 53
      +2
      Quote: Den 11
      And politics --- everyone has their own truth


      And these are the golden words!
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    1. Kars
      Kars 24 August 2013 14: 53
      +6
      Quote: SHILO
      Tweet to the article!

      Why bother to answer and order? Maybe there is a specific question? If I can answer - only you need it? Would you shoot, but what prevents it from starting to do it now?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 32
        +4
        Quote: Kars
        Maybe there is a specific question?

        Kars, yes the question is, but you don't answer a damn thing. What is the benefit in billions of dollars to Ukraine from the signing of the ZTA with the EU ???
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 17: 40
          +2
          Quote: Kars
          If I can answer,

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What is the benefit in billions of dollars to Ukraine from the signing of the ZTA with the EU ???

          and how will I answer this question? Anyway, you won’t believe it, but I’ll ask someone I know about the TS, and who, how did you calculate the benefit from it by what method. And it’s too suspicious what the Russian Federation is ready to reduce for joining the TS double the price of gas (although promising does not mean marrying, after Sevastopol everything is clear) Yes, and I for one do not believe that economists of the same Akhmetov didn’t consider deets with credit - and if there were more than UAH from the Customs Union, we would already be there were.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 52
            +6
            Quote: Kars
            and how will I answer this question? all the same, you won’t believe it, but

            Ohhh, Kars, but this is not for me, this is the Ukrainians say and answer. With regards to me, there will be arguments with the facts on your part - bring, if they certainly are, but have not seen the numbers yet. WAIT!
            Quote: Kars
            and I’ll ask the oncoming one - about the TS, and who, as I calculated the benefit from it, by what method.

            Putin’s words and not only him ... 12 billion bucks a year is Ukraine’s profit. But you don’t doubt their words to me, because I know them in person and you don’t. Prove that their words are FALSE! Then then your words will be the price wink
            Quote: Kars
            And it’s too suspicious of why the Russian Federation is ready to cut the gas price by half for joining the CU

            But the EU is not suspicious laughing In fact, whom did Russia deceive?
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 August 2013 19: 58
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Ohhh, Kars, but this is not for me, this is Ukrainians say and answer

              and what prevents them from finding out for themselves?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              As for me, there will be arguments with the facts on your part - bring, if they certainly are, but haven’t seen the numbers yet. WAIT!

              Well, as I said - on the TS, I didn’t do anything special either, Belarus and Kazakhstan don’t bathe in gold, and there are plenty of dissatisfied people. The truth is that they quickly wander around on this site - and I’m not going to look for somewhere else.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              BUT you do not question tutut their words, because I know them by sight, but you are not.

              but I’ll bet anyway - you can promise anything.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You prove that their words are FALSE
              but how? it is a promise.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              But the EU is not suspicious

              Why are they pulling us there?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In fact, whom did Russia deceive?

              Well, I won’t be in gas contracts, trade wars.
    2. Neksel
      Neksel 25 August 2013 15: 56
      +1
      Quote: SHILO
      Come on. My elite answer the article!


      Where is the administration ?! What kind of clowning? [
  • Tersky
    Tersky 24 August 2013 12: 37
    +2
    Quote: SHILO
    The most interesting thing is that you deleted the TRUTH

    Before debugging such "masterpieces", return to the main page and carefully re-read the rules. While limited to deletion, when repeating - a warning. Good luck in re-reading the rules of the VO site.
    1. SHILO
      SHILO 24 August 2013 12: 49
      -2
      I answered about tolerance.

      Not understood?
      1. Nuar
        Nuar 25 August 2013 19: 13
        +1
        SHILO, Kars, and Ko dedicated to:

        On these Internet of yours, 70% of doctors ultimately come down to the banal exchange of insults and throwing feces on each other.

        Pe Se. Yo-mayo, when did the CBT rules change? Where is the administration looking?
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 24 August 2013 13: 04
      0
      You need Ukraine.
      But you want to th

      Politicians? Sober misfit? What, in return?
      I have a family, a house!
      What to do?
      I offer to shoot !!!!
      kars question (congratulations on optimism)?
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 10: 33
    12
    I looked at the photo, clowns in the form of an SS and the most interesting thing there is a priest giving back, although what to take from an apostate request
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing?

    When people are silent, and in the country anarchy, such a trash feels like a fish in water.
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 24 August 2013 11: 50
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      When people are silent, and in the country anarchy, such a trash feels like a fish in water.

      The people should ask themselves the question - What country is this if it needs such "heroes". Sasha, hi !
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 24 August 2013 12: 03
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The most interesting

      What a priest he is, he is a Uniate. The Roman Church supported Hitler. And the previous "dad" was himself from the Hitler Youth. There were enough such "priests" in the service of the Nazis.

      Example. I. Grinokh “Daniliv” - captain of the Abwehr, chaplain of the Nachtigall battalion, chaplain of the 201st battalion of the schutzmannsafa, chief chaplain of the 14th Waffen SS of the Galichina division, organizer and member of the UPA General Staff, was responsible for the UPA's communication with the Abwehr and the Gestapo , holder of two German crosses;

      The present is better?
      1. MG42
        MG42 24 August 2013 19: 16
        +9
        Quote: Nikolai S.
        What a priest it is, this is a Uniate. Hitler's Roman Church supported.

        Yes, here it’s correct to contact him, not father padre..with regards to Roman Catholics, then their decoration of the temple is more ascetic .. although .. request
        And by the way, the padre is similar to the Ukrainian people's deputy Shevchenko, he also has right views, appreciate his similarity with the photo in the subject

        1. Nicholas C.
          Nicholas C. 24 August 2013 19: 38
          +3
          Quote: MG42
          not a priest but a padre .. with regards to Roman Catholics, then their decoration of the temple is more ascetic

          I wrote about the Uniates and the Roman Church, referring to the Roman submission of the Uniates (and the creed).
    3. MG42
      MG42 24 August 2013 17: 59
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      I looked at the photo, clowns in the form of an SS and the most interesting thing there is a priest giving back, although what to take from an apostate

      Judging by the priest’s cassock, these are Greek Catholics and the decoration of the temple
  • Corsair
    Corsair 24 August 2013 11: 38
    +7
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing? request
    1. wax
      wax 25 August 2013 12: 32
      +4
      UKRAINIAN MEN AND WOMEN!

      The Bolshevik commissars destroyed your factories and jobs, and thus deprived you of your wages and bread.
      Germany provides you with the opportunity for a rewarding and well-paid job.
      On January 28, the first transport train leaves for Germany.
      During the move you will receive good supplies, in addition, in Kiev, Zdolbunov and Przemysl - hot food.
      In Germany, you will be well-off and find good housing conditions. The pay will also be good: you will receive money at the rate and labor productivity.
      Your families will be taken care of all the time while you work in Germany.
      Workers and workers of all professions - preferably metalworkers aged 17 to 50 years old, who voluntarily want to go to Germany, must appear on the LABOR EXCHANGE IN KIEV daily from 8 to 15 hours.
      We expect Ukrainians to immediately show up for jobs in Germany. Commissioner-General I. QUITZRAU, S. A. Brigadeführer.
      "Nova Ukranian Word", 11.1.1942

      Germany is calling you! Go to beautiful Germany! 100 thousand Ukrainians are already working in free Germany. What about you?
      - an ad with such text was published in a Kiev newspaper on March 3, 1942.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%F1%F2%E0%F0%E1%E0%E9%F2%E5%F0%FB

      Repetition - the mother of learning?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 August 2013 12: 48
        +1
        This is also strong
    2. wax
      wax 25 August 2013 12: 32
      0
      UKRAINIAN MEN AND WOMEN!

      The Bolshevik commissars destroyed your factories and jobs, and thus deprived you of your wages and bread.
      Germany provides you with the opportunity for a rewarding and well-paid job.
      On January 28, the first transport train leaves for Germany.
      During the move you will receive good supplies, in addition, in Kiev, Zdolbunov and Przemysl - hot food.
      In Germany, you will be well-off and find good housing conditions. The pay will also be good: you will receive money at the rate and labor productivity.
      Your families will be taken care of all the time while you work in Germany.
      Workers and workers of all professions - preferably metalworkers aged 17 to 50 years old, who voluntarily want to go to Germany, must appear on the LABOR EXCHANGE IN KIEV daily from 8 to 15 hours.
      We expect Ukrainians to immediately show up for jobs in Germany. Commissioner-General I. QUITZRAU, S. A. Brigadeführer.
      "Nova Ukranian Word", 11.1.1942

      Germany is calling you! Go to beautiful Germany! 100 thousand Ukrainians are already working in free Germany. What about you?
      - an ad with such text was published in a Kiev newspaper on March 3, 1942.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%F1%F2%E0%F0%E1%E0%E9%F2%E5%F0%FB

      Repetition - the mother of learning?
  • wow
    wow 24 August 2013 13: 45
    +3
    Yes, no x ... she does not understand !!! By rebooting these kovs, he becomes a lump himself and your attitude towards you will be like KU !!!
  • edge
    edge 24 August 2013 14: 24
    +6
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing?

    implements the plans of the German General Staff of the period of the 1st World .... It seems that we will have a second Poland nearby.
  • mole
    mole 24 August 2013 16: 30
    +1
    Someone who is more thoughtful - fulfills money, who is dumber - they take part in a stupid masquerade. It’s sad to look at clowns, if they could channel their energy into a socially useful business, for example, increase the GDP of Ukraine, and so it seems they’re not producing anything. Therefore, a draft in the minds when there is no real business.
    In general, it's time to punish for such a heroization! Moreover, economic and information leverage seems to be enough.
    But still in Ukraine there are more normal people! It is a pity that it is beneficial for someone to quarrel all! I hope these nits are responsible for the perfect nasty things!
  • MG42
    MG42 24 August 2013 17: 47
    +5
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing?

    Just yesterday we celebrated 70 years since the liberation of Kharkov from Nazi invaders, everything is completely different de jure, there is one Ukraine, and de facto looking at these photos from the Lviv region it turns out two ..
    Fireworks in Kharkov 23.08.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX

    1. Luna
      Luna 24 August 2013 23: 49
      -1
      I covered my plebs with my eyes, and he is glad.
      It will be interesting to see how Euro-integrated celebrate this holiday next year.
      1. MG42
        MG42 25 August 2013 00: 42
        0
        Quote: Luna
        I covered my plebs with my eyes, and he is glad.

        I put you a minus, Irina, because it’s too arrogant, the people are celebrating the anniversary of the liberation, besides this is City Day .. So many people died to free Kharkov, also the grandchildren and sons of those grandfathers who were released there were also in the square, WWII veterans only in the morning, there are few of them left, and you called everyone a plebs ..
        Quote: Luna
        It will be interesting to see how Euro-integrated celebrate this holiday next year.

        Once again, even if this agreement is signed, this does not mean that Ukraine will automatically be accepted into the EU, this is too far away .. this agreement is simply more economic on the free trade zone of the FTA with the EU, the main section ..
        1. Luna
          Luna 25 August 2013 08: 57
          0
          MG42 may look arrogant from the outside, although this irritation with tears in his eyes. Should I not know what this holiday is? I was born in Kharkov and live in Belgorod, why not "Fire arc" today in the worst performance?
          Why did I write "plebs" (you are hardly a veteran) ....
          You really don’t understand that you were once again fed a carrot so that they would think less where they are leading you?
          Nah, you don’t understand a damn thing (I apologize for my French).
          I have no idea that Ukraine will be admitted to the EU, but the FTA with the EU puts an end to relations with the Customs Union, which was demonstrated to you at customs. When the EU declared that Ukraine could not be in two FTZs - you were silent, when Russia began to demonstrate how the matter would end - a hysterical "guard, we are under pressure!" Still, Europe does not promise to feed you, but rather the opposite ...

          The FTZ with the EU is separate from the Agreement and this is indeed an economic agreement.
          But Ukraine will still be signing the Association, and there are a lot of interesting things, up to a change in the gauge for European .....
          So what will happen to Russia is a complete freindschaft. sad


          And the grandchildren and sons of those who went to the Second World War, already betray their grandfathers slowly.

          the greatest surprise of the elections was the growth of the Freedom All-Union Public Organization: in Kharkov, nationalists took about 4%. “This is a very high level, more than in Zaporozhye, Lugansk, Crimea. Kharkov is slowly moving towards opposition radicalism ”

          On the 23rd of 2013, the activists of the VO "Svoboda" held a bicycle tour by Kharkov, timed to coincide with the Day of the Sovereign Prapor of Ukraine. .......... cyclists violated to the Molodіzhny Park, de-rooting the first memorial complex to the victims of the Holodomor and the UPA warriors in Ukraine ... ... "Happy Ukrainians are not only the sites of the glorious warriors of the UPA and the UNR. We are the sites of the great Kiev princes.
          http://www.kharkiv.svoboda.org.ua/diyalnist/novyny/041660/

          Well, for those who still remember their relationship, the fireworks are shown on August 23 ...
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 26 August 2013 04: 29
            +4
            Quote: Luna
            And the grandchildren and sons of those who went to the Second World War, already betray their grandfathers slowly.

            I agree.
            Mother-in-law lives near Kharkov.
            He studied in Odessa.
            Everything that happens in Ukraine is associated with the SALE of East Slavic interests for beads and nano-loincloths.
            Trade is trade, but you should not trade your future.
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz 25 August 2013 07: 37
    +3
    hi The fact that it unites Belarus, Ukraine and Russia makes us STRONG) the fact that it divides will make us SIDOMIT, non-stop and independent .........))) Lehay panov)
  • Tykta
    Tykta 25 August 2013 13: 38
    0
    I am against advertising not only in links, but also in comments.

    Today, 12: 44
    Print

    So, it's time to talk with the magazine owners and advertise in their magazine.
    Firstly, why do the owners place promotional products in publications without having discussed with the authors an interesting question on fees ?! If they advertise, then let them kindly reimburse all publishers some nishtyki, regarding the rating, the title, or simply the American green papers, although I agree to the Mongolian Tugriks ...
    Secondly - why are my comments that have nothing to do with washing machines highlighted in green ?! If you want a completely grounded opinion on plagiarism of opinion, then welcome to the prosecutor's office, since I am not a public person, and did not ask you to combine your opinion with the financial success of any corporation involved in the sale. For me, as for a person who does not occupy public positions, this is a blow to my reputation, and therefore any advertising activity associated with the site owners due to the insolubility of turning off (eliminating) advertising is an unavoidable obstacle for me. The site receives financial benefits from the content, therefore I demand for each of my comments highlighted with a green tag at 10 USD for copyright infringement.
    For sim everything, for inattention to this article I will write an appeal to the prosecutor.
  • Breeze59
    Breeze59 25 August 2013 20: 30
    +2
    In Western Ukraine, this is a common thing. And the fact that the flag on the coffin is so nothing surprising. This Austrian gift was used by the Nazis when taking the oath of allegiance to Nazi Germany by the army of the SS "Galicia" division. Unfortunately, we still have it in state symbols . Disgusting, but what can you do.
  • Jacob31
    Jacob31 24 August 2013 07: 27
    +8
    Yes, there are half the people already mad! Okay, there Poland or the USA, but here together they freed Europe from Hitler !!! PEOPLE come to your senses before it's too late !!! Either Ukraine wants to join NATO, it steals gas, and then the Nazis came to life !!! Stalin probably already turned over several times in his grave ...
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 24 August 2013 07: 39
      17
      Stalin did what he could, but the descendants of all mediocre profukali.zapadentsi after the war, for a long time still ran through the forests from the Red Army, you see someone ran away.
      1. edge
        edge 24 August 2013 14: 32
        +7
        Quote: bomg.77
        zapadentsi after the war, for a long time still running through the forests from the Red Army

        it was necessary for the guys from the NKVD not to take prisoners .... they shit when they die.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 24 August 2013 08: 42
      13
      Quote: Jacob31
      Okay, there Poland or the USA, but here together they freed Europe from Hitler !!!

      Someone freed and most of them, and someone burned Khatyn. These are their descendants. And most importantly, they go unpunished.
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 24 August 2013 11: 01
        +8
        Quote: Garrin
        And most importantly, they go unpunished.

        And not just with impunity - they climb into the heroes ...
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 24 August 2013 07: 32
    11
    The "dance on bones" organized by the political and parliamentary party of Ukraine is not a very noble cause.
    But this once again confirms that UKRAINE, as a sovereign and legal state based on the law ... as a state that respects international law ... can hardly be called successful. In an accomplished and legal state they will never allow the criminal organizations of Nazism to be defiled at a state event prohibited by the law of Ukraine, international laws ... even at a funeral, in their uniform.
    The civil society of UKRAINE did not take place, if it allows such tricks of deputies of all levels of government, without giving them a proper assessment.
    Confirms its failure and the Uniate Church! There can be no conscience and morality of the people to sanctify criminals with the holy cross.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 August 2013 10: 56
      +3
      Quote: KazaK Bo
      The "dance on bones" organized by the political and parliamentary party of Ukraine is not a very noble cause.

      Well, they decided to rebury the remains, but why put all this action with such pomp and deliberate?
      Such a step is a spit in the face of WWII veterans who know what it is FASCISM.
      And official Kiev, it is strange to be away from what is happening.
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 14
        +1
        Quote: Corsair
        Well, they decided to rebury the remains, but why put all this action with such pomp and deliberate?

        Whose news is it?
        Quote: Corsair
        Such a step is a spit in the face of WWII veterans who know what Fascism is.

        Spit ... I will not argue. And I think that way 90% (at least) of Ukrainians think the same way! so the cards are in the hands of off authorities.
        Quote: Corsair
        And official Kiev, it’s strange to be away from what is happening

        And where did you get the idea that "official Kiev" did not react when it found out about it? From news from Russian sites? Proofs in the studio! Not propaganda, but a real investigation! (At least from the news, not Russian, where no one will say about it)
        P.S. Corsair, you have either a tricolor or a Ukrainian icon. bicolor ... how to understand this?)
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 24 August 2013 21: 34
          0
          Quote: Corneli
          Whose news is it?

          I think these "events" were covered not by the Russian media, but by the Ukrainian ones. The Russians submitted it (reportage) in the form that the action deserves.

          "Tricolor" and "two-color" - a hint of my awareness of what is happening in both countries wink .

          But seriously, I already answered you about this (multi-flagged) in my comment on this thread.
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 26 August 2013 19: 35
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            I think these "events" were covered not by the Russian media, but by the Ukrainian ones. The Russians submitted it (reportage) in the form that the action deserves.

            By the way, yesterday I tried to find a reaction to this Satanism in the Ukrainian media in Yandex. and the first 2 pages of results are links ONLY to Russian sites. It just bothered to look for me further. This is the question of "lighting".
            And in fact, I wang: a bill will be introduced to the Rada on depriving the "svoboda" member of the mandate (and immunity, respectively), the Prosecutor General's Office will initiate a case, almost certainly some of the participants will be jailed.
  • George
    George 24 August 2013 07: 44
    +6
    On various talk shows on Ukrainian television, representatives of the Freedom party constantly say that they have no relation whatsoever, neither to the Nazis, nor, moreover, to the Nazis.

    I did not read further. The photo was enough for the eyes.
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 24 August 2013 09: 00
      10
      So they say it correctly. They are directly related to Yanukovych and the Party of Regions. This project was created by the regionals to divide Ukraine, drive east to west and attract all opponents of the nationalists. If you remove this topic, the people will sweep away this power. Therefore, the "svobodovtsy" roam freely in Donetsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Sevastopol, guarded by the authorities. Who touches their own. (You will laugh, but yes. How many Jews in the leadership of "freedom" lead and direct their activities). But the fact that the "svobodovtsy" felt freedom and began to get out from under the cap of the regionals is scary, first of all for us. Power, for the sake of power, is traditionally changed. Someone finances these events and provides form and campaigning. And he pays for participation. No one will take a step without a penny.
      1. SHILO
        SHILO 24 August 2013 10: 59
        +3
        Vrungel, I say - you have to shoot.
  • plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 24 August 2013 07: 53
    +2
    In Ukraine, that finally went crazy ...
  • NKVD
    NKVD 24 August 2013 08: 00
    +3
    The young men need a belt in the ass. Yes, and his father would not hurt. Who did he bring up?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 24 August 2013 10: 59
      +3
      Quote: NKVD
      The young men need a belt in the ass. Yes, and his father would not hurt. Who did he bring up?

      An apple from an apple tree does not roll far ...
      Unfortunately, there is a whole layer of such "educated" people in Ukraine.
    2. SHILO
      SHILO 24 August 2013 11: 02
      +7
      NKVD

      The young men need a belt in the ass. Yes, and his father would not hurt. Who did he bring up?


      Posture on the ass! On the ass could get off in 91!
  • Revolver
    Revolver 24 August 2013 08: 23
    13
    If someone tried to institute such an action in Germany, they would be tried and written out not weak terms. There, the ban on Nazi symbols is maintained tough. So these zapadentsev managed absolutely incredible - to become even greater Natsik than the Germans themselves. It is a pity the NKVD does not have them.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 20
      +3
      Quote: Nagan
      If someone tried to institute such an action in Germany, they would be tried and written out not weak terms. There, the ban on Nazi symbols is maintained tough. So these zapadentsev managed absolutely incredible - to become even greater Natsik than the Germans themselves. It is a pity the NKVD does not have them.

      We are far away from the Balts with their "chevations of national heroes"! Although they are in the EU, unlike Ukraine! And such a circus is NOT the policy of Ukraine, but the action of individual moral monsters. Personally, I can't imagine how such a procession (if it was known about it) could have taken place in the same Kiev (here, after all, the "stronghold" of the oligarchy and "independence")
      1. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 16: 28
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        We are far away from the Balts with their "chevations of national heroes"!


        But you, unfortunately, are catching up with the Baltic states at an accelerated pace ...
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 37
          +2
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          But you, unfortunately, are catching up with the Baltic states at an accelerated pace ...

          Exclusively for "disinterested" and "adequate" reports of the Russian media! Damn, as I like, the "experts" are Ukrainian. politicians and states inside my country, who have never been here (in Ukraine), but only read, see, hear their media. Specialists Epts! And let me tell you how in the Far East the Russians are pinched by the Japanese and the Chinese ?! If I select the "correct" news, it may turn out that there are no Russians at all in the Far East! Some Chinese! Want to? Maybe what I write will immediately become "true"?
          1. FATEMOGAN
            FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 16: 42
            +2
            Quote: Corneli
            Exclusively for the "disinterested" and "adequate" reports of the Russian media!


            So this turns out to be all fiction, no one in Ukraine is engaged in the glorification of Nazism and does not go torchlight parades around Kiev, oh, these media !!!
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 53
              +4
              Quote: FATEMOGAN
              So this turns out to be all fiction, no one in Ukraine is engaged in the glorification of Nazism and does not go torchlight parades around Kiev, oh, these media !!!

              I find it difficult to answer, it seems that I live in Kiev ... but I have not seen these famous "torchlight processions"! On May 9th, thousands of people shouting Hurray !!! VICTORY OVER Fascists, in this year saw! And the "Nazis" are not (. MB are they like gay pride parades on the gateways to hide? And they are "seen" by the current "necessary" media?)
              1. FATEMOGAN
                FATEMOGAN 25 August 2013 12: 56
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                I find it difficult to answer, I seem to live in Kiev ... but I have not seen these famous "torchlight processions"! On May 9th, thousands of people shouting Hurray !!! VICTORY OVER Fascists, I saw it this year! And the "Nazis" are not (. MB are they like gay pride parades on the gateways to hide? And they are "seen" by the current "necessary" media?)


                You have an interesting logic, which I personally don’t see, that means no, that is, so that you believe in the flourishing of fascism in Ukraine, should Bendera pass under your windows? if it wouldn’t be too late then ... Hitler, too, at first tried not to notice, and how everyone ended up knowing how.

              2. Corsair
                Corsair 25 August 2013 20: 46
                +2
                Quote: Corneli
                On May 9th, thousands of people shouting Hurray !!! VICTORY OVER Fascists, I saw it this year! And the "Nazis" are not (. MB are they like gay pride parades on the gateways to hide? And they are "seen" by the current "necessary" media?)

                I can’t pretend to say that the photo was taken in Kiev (because the processions were also held in Lviv and Odessa (!)) And were timed to coincide with the 102 anniversary of the birth of Bandera ...

                So that dearCorneli, sometimes you need to "roar" your eyes, otherwise you can "profuse" Ukraine too, being in blissful ignorance ..
    2. MG42
      MG42 24 August 2013 18: 22
      +4
      Quote: Nagan
      If someone tried to institute such an action in Germany, they would be tried and written out not weak terms.

      By the way, this is a disservice with Ukrainian Nazis, which will hinder Ukrainian integration into the EU. Especially in Germany there will now be an occasion to speak negatively about Ukraine ..
    3. raptor1975
      raptor1975 25 August 2013 10: 39
      +4
      Actually, it’s not very clear to me: are there really no other problems in Ukraine (and in the Baltics too), it seems that all these actions (Nazi, SS-sovies and all sorts of other fascist ones there) are done in order to do Russian dirty tricks , and the most interesting is that there is no reaction to all of this from countries such as the USA, ENGLAND, FRANCE, ISRAEL (especially, how many Jews were tortured and destroyed by the Nazis), but the problem of homosexuality and lesbianism in RUSSIA is very much discussed in foreign countries mass media
  • 1961NNN
    1961NNN 24 August 2013 08: 36
    +5
    This is a consequence of the policy of the Ukrainian leadership, flirting with the nationalists "Westerners".
  • soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 24 August 2013 08: 39
    13
    in the pictures where the young men standing in the graves take coffins I was visited by the thought of digging them together with the coffins in a standing position, this would be an expression of devotion
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 08: 59
    10
    It looks like you haven’t got such an idea laughing
  • sokrat-71
    sokrat-71 24 August 2013 09: 14
    +6
    Joseph Vissarionovich, at one time, did not work out how much evil remained in Ukraine. And now it multiplies.
  • serge
    serge 24 August 2013 09: 25
    +2
    History repeats itself. Everything is like in the 30s of the XX century. Fascists, imperialists, Jews, homosexuals in a single formation against Russian civilization.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 09
      0
      Quote: serge
      History repeats itself. Everything is like in the 30s of the XX century. Fascists, imperialists, Jews, homosexuals in a single formation against Russian civilization.

      Really pushed in! I thought that at least the Nazis did not treat Jews very much (I just keep quiet about homosexuals ... they then ran around Europe and shouted: "kill the Russians"?) Put antagonistic concepts in one basket ... you have to be able to!
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 40
        +3
        Quote: Corneli
        I thought that at least the Nazis did not treat Jews very

        It's a delusion. Jews in the Third Reich treated the Communist Jews badly, including in their own country.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 25
          +3
          Quote: Setrac
          It's a delusion. Jews in the Third Reich treated the Communist Jews badly, including in their own country.

          And so, in general, the Jews "Treitereichs" lived opupetily in Nazi Germany?)
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 24 August 2013 19: 41
            0
            Quote: Corneli
            And so, in general, the Jews "Treitereichs" lived opupetily in Nazi Germany?)

            No worse than others, they worked (if this applies to Jews at all), served in the army, and so on.
            1. Neksel
              Neksel 25 August 2013 16: 05
              +1
              Quote: Setrac
              Quote: Corneli
              And so, in general, the Jews "Treitereichs" lived opupetily in Nazi Germany?)

              No worse than others, they worked (if this applies to Jews at all), served in the army, and so on.


              Eka you as my friend skidded .... :)
  • seller trucks
    seller trucks 24 August 2013 09: 29
    +8
    The funeral of the punisher M. Bendini, a veteran of the SS division "Galicia"

    no "lads" are on with you in different directions
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 11: 17
      +6
      In Ukraine, and the ministry took their symbol from the SS caps
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 25
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In Ukraine, and the ministry took their symbol from the SS caps


        Romanov, are you getting paid extra for "provocations"? Or why such hatred and "nonsense"? I, for example, do not understand (you just want to write "nasty" about Ukraine (and contribute to discord among the people) ... or are you, even so, for fraternity and unification?
        1. Patriot 43
          Patriot 43 24 August 2013 15: 49
          +2
          He's not the only one. Sometimes it's just a shame to read what the "brothers" write and how they write. All this does not unite, but ... on the contrary. Who benefits from it ...
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 58
            +3
            Quote: Patriot 43
            He's not the only one. Sometimes it's just a shame to read what the "brothers" write and how they write. All this does not unite, but ... on the contrary. Who benefits from it ...

            West! Palube! (There, I am sure, they already squeak with joy ... reading "srach" between the brothers!
            1. Patriot 43
              Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 57
              -1
              What kind of brothers are we talking about? If serious. About these: http: //minprom.ua/news/130458.html
  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 09: 35
    +5
    We again need Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin) and Beria along with their purges only without deportations.
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 24 August 2013 16: 57
      +3
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      We again need Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin) and Beria along with their purges only without deportations.


      That's right, so clean up this Nazi abomination, so that there was no one to deport.
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    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 11: 56
      +4
      Quote: stroporez
      where is the indignation of "human rights activists" and other "civilized" rubbish ???????


      Well, where, where?

      in Haifa.
      besides today shabbat.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 24 August 2013 13: 01
        -1
        however, I am sure, if only some kind of well ..... shu in Russia they podrihtovat hryulnik ---- would not give a damn about Shabbat and any other kind ...... "pryntsypy" ....... ...
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: stroporez
      Mlyn, Shoto is not heard "God's chosen" ........ but, well, yes, this is not Russia .... this is quite "syphilized" Ukraine ............ and that's all "universal" offices to be silent as x ...... stuffed into his mouth. where is the indignation of "human rights activists" and other "civilized" rubbish ???????

      And who told you that they are silent? Or that they don't respond? Were they silent on the central Russian channels?) Do they need it?) By the way, you called at least 10 meters of Russians (in theory, the same as you) living in Ukraine (about those who are "Ukrainians", I I will not say anything) that they are outraged and thrilled, are you really interested? Perhaps you are only interested in the reaction of Jews and "Western gays"?
    3. Neksel
      Neksel 25 August 2013 16: 08
      0
      Quote: stroporez
      Mlyn, Shoto is not heard "God's chosen" ........ but, well, yes, this is not Russia .... this is quite "syphilized" Ukraine ............ and that's all "universal" offices to be silent as x ...... stuffed into his mouth. where is the indignation of "human rights activists" and other "civilized" rubbish ???????


      That's because of such a dirty stream I don’t even want to add anything.
      For starters, learn to at least just culturally express that it wouldn’t be nasty to communicate with you.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 August 2013 09: 54
    +5
    Ukraine as a state ideologically does not exist! It has no ideology or even a common history. The gap between people is widening.
    Sadly, of course, but such a state is not viable.
    1. seller trucks
      seller trucks 24 August 2013 10: 04
      +6
      Quote: APASUS
      Sadly, of course, but such a state is not viable.


      I would call it not a "state", but a "misunderstanding", that's my opinion, a Little Russian.

      He does not have an ideology or even a common history.


      but here I disagree, they have a common idea: "mos-her, get out!"
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 24
        -2
        Quote: seller trucks
        I would call it not a "state", but a "misunderstanding", that's my opinion, a Little Russian.

        Do not hesitate, write, please, which of the 15 republics of the former USSR, according to your "states" (and not "misunderstanding"). It is desirable to have a reasoned and about ALL 15, and not just about "Ukraine"!
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 August 2013 16: 20
          +1
          I will not talk about others, we will talk about Ukraine, I will continue about Ukraine: what is "Ukraine" - an Austro-Hungarian project, in fact, brought to mind by the Bolsheviks, giving the status of a republic, inventing a strange surrogate for the local dialect using Polish and German words under a wonderful chase "mova", the invention of a certain history (Kievan Rus and other German mutton.)
  • Sakmagon
    Sakmagon 24 August 2013 09: 55
    11
    ..opt! Not everyone was buried ...
    (sorry for plagiarism)
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 12: 13
      +3
      Quote: Sacmagon
      (sorry for plagiarism)


      just the topic.
      I see there is God in heaven, he indicated Judas in advance.
      God loves the Russians, tells us, then he will stick a mark on the forehead of the "best German", then he will "christen" the pestun SS

      Yes, something we stopped understanding him.
      here in one they only listened, they were walking along the WAY.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 24 August 2013 09: 59
    +5
    That's honestly not sorry for Ukraine. Because it is clear that without Russia they will not be able to cope with this evil spirits. For Ukraine now it would be a good way to create a federal state, with subsequent separation. But Europe will not do this in the first place, because they need a hotbed of instability near our borders. So just watch how the country is slowly destroying itself.
    1. edge
      edge 24 August 2013 14: 46
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      just watching how the country is slowly destroying itself.

      Well, the people will begin to migrate; who is to us, who is to the west ... colonization has taken on a new form with the same result but in big words. The state has been destroyed, there is no army, the slave force has been transferred, the territories are re-populated, possible, the nearest probability ...
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 30
      -3
      Quote: Zomanus
      For Ukraine now it would be a good way to create a federal state, with subsequent separation.

      What for??? What the hell?
      Quote: Zomanus
      But Europe will not do this in the first place, because they need a hotbed of instability near our borders.

      Justify your "instability"! We're in a civil war? Even the notorious Crimea with the Tatars before present-day Chechnya and Dagestan as part of "stable" Russia is like cancer to heaven! Or what kind of "instability" are you talking about?
  • mirag2
    mirag2 24 August 2013 10: 23
    +3
    A crazy twist. Well, let some of the Ukrainians serve in the SS, even if it suits them somehow, but for some reason it seems to me that after all, a lot of them still suffered from the Nazis, rather than Westerners from the Reds ... Why do they allow this, or do they care? Or do they believe that only they died in the Holodomor? And millions did not die out in Russia because of the policy of the Bolsheviks (and Ukrainian as well!), And not because the Russians hated them and starved them (it’s necessary to invent such a nonsense, such an Ukrainian educational film ...).
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 10: 24
    +4
    In the meantime, we congratulate all our Ukrainian brothers, and especially the "Svidomo" on the holiday ... Happy "Independence" day, dear ...
    1. Kars
      Kars 24 August 2013 10: 49
      +1
      Thank you so much
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 10: 55
        +2
        Not at all, please contact again.
      2. maxvet
        maxvet 24 August 2013 11: 04
        +4
        Kars, I can’t see on the Spasskaya Star Tower that they forgot to dismantle something?
      3. alex13-61
        alex13-61 24 August 2013 11: 07
        +5
        Why, the crew is not in embroidered shirts ... not like that ...
      4. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 11: 12
        +4
        Quote: Kars
        Thank you so much

        Cho Kars, you run into rudeness
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 11: 57
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Cho Kars, you run into rudeness

          And what about the bottom?


          Quote: vasiliysxx
          the west makes you re-melt the tanks, what are you planning to march on loan

          And how much have you already melted? And you are yours and melt without the West.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 01
            +7
            Quote: Kars
            And what about the bottom?

            I’m not entering the Ukrainian site and I’m not a greyhound-live as you like. Clearly no?
            In general, on your uploaded photo, dreams of an overwhelmed Natsik who will never come true tongue
      5. Corsair
        Corsair 24 August 2013 11: 27
        +2
        Quote: Kars
        Thank you so much

        "Cossacks" during the "Time of Troubles" was in Moscow in the ranks of the Polish interventionists. And they covered themselves with "glory", including the BREAKING rape and murder of the nuns of the Novodevichy Convent. I will simply keep silent about robberies and simply murders, then they came.

        These are the "Orthodox" ... And I emphasize, if these actions would have been a "response" to some actions of Muscovy, "hidden anger" ... There were no Russians on the lands controlled by the Poles at that time, Russia, due to its fragmentation, in no way did not affect what was happening around.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 24 August 2013 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Corsair
          "Cossacks" during the "Time of Troubles" were in Moscow in the ranks of the Polish invaders.
      6. vasiliysxx
        vasiliysxx 24 August 2013 11: 51
        +2
        the west makes you re-melt the tanks, what are you planning to march on loan from us? fool
      7. Corsair
        Corsair 24 August 2013 13: 02
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        Thank you so much

        And the tanks, too, "photoshop" multiplied? laughing
        1. Rider
          Rider 24 August 2013 13: 36
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          And the tanks, too, "photoshop" multiplied?


          so why photoshop
          you will not believe, but they have them (tanks) as many as TEN.
          Russia is terrified, the USA is in a panic, China is thinking about joining the Ukrainian military power.
      8. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 04
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        Thank you so much

        Armored forces of Ukraine in full force.
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 17: 15
          +1
          Quote: Setrac
          Armored forces of Ukraine in full force.

          Well, do not underestimate the armored forces of Ukraine.
          It’s just that we don’t need much, but to build up this business for several years, if necessary. And there will be no sudden attack now.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 24 August 2013 17: 21
            -1
            Quote: Kars
            A sudden attack now will not get.

            It depends on whom to attack, on Ukraine - to succeed.
            Quote: Kars
            Well, do not underestimate the armored forces of Ukraine.

            It was a joke, quite harmless, unlike your drawing.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 29
            0
            Quote: Kars
            and build up this business for several years

            Yeah, but money laughing
            Quote: Kars
            .A surprise attack now will not get.

            Yeah, come in and take it wassat well-known wassat
          3. Corneli
            Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 37
            +4
            Quote: Kars
            Well, do not underestimate the armored forces of Ukraine.
            It’s just that we don’t need much, but to build up this business for several years, if necessary. And there will be no sudden attack now.

            Kars, by God I ask! Stop this agr !!! I can understand that you are sick of "Ukrainophobia", but you go too far ... (
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 24 August 2013 20: 45
              0
              Quote: Corneli
              but you go too far ... (

              And here, by the way, it’s not strange to support (+)
      9. Apollo
        Apollo 24 August 2013 17: 10
        +5
        Quote: Kars
        Thank you so much


        Kars hi .I am very sympathetic towards you as a specialist in armored vehicles, but you obviously went too far with the picture. I don’t accept your picture even as a joke and do not approve. negative It looks like a provocation.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 24 August 2013 11: 05
      +3
      Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
      In the meantime, we congratulate all our Ukrainian brothers, and especially the "Svidomo" on the holiday ... Happy "Independence" day, dear ...


      And more congratulations ...
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 12: 08
        +6
        No, smart Ukrainians do this:
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 12: 13
          +1
          Quote: Kuznetsov 1977
          smart Ukrainians

          Cleverly drive foreign cars and have their own business or good job.

          But in fact, the Soviet Union didn’t fall apart against the backdrop of financial abundance, and it is possible that if the GKChP won, then everyone would have lived like in North Korea, or they would have muddied the war in general. China is not an indicator - he began his reforms against the backdrop of detente and the end of the cold war.
          1. alex13-61
            alex13-61 24 August 2013 13: 25
            0
            Quote: Kars
            Cleverly drive foreign cars and have their own business or good job.

            And one more thing: they don’t pay taxes, don’t formalize and "throw" hired workers (if there are any) and do not produce anything, but trade shoto ...
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 August 2013 14: 46
              +3
              Quote: alex13-61
              And one more thing: they don’t pay taxes, don’t formalize and "throw" hired workers (if there are any) and do not produce anything, but they do trade.

              Do not pay taxes - or rather pay them as little as possible - this is a global trend. It is not speaking already that the tax system is very opaque and so on and so forth.
              Quote: alex13-61
              do not register and "throw" hired workers

              it happens that you want capitalism - even though I’m not an employee, I don’t welcome this. And this, by the way, is no less dependent on the mind of the employee.
              Quote: alex13-61
              They don’t produce anything, but they shot ...
              Well, it’s not possible to trade anything with anything, although it’s best to produce something and trade it yourself. Without trade, you don’t need to produce anything, unless of course we are in the midst of victorious communism (where you have to work 3 hours a week and money is canceled)
            2. Max otto
              Max otto 24 August 2013 14: 56
              +4
              Quote: Kars

              Cleverly drive foreign cars and have their own business or good job.

              Those who have a good job, work at foreign enterprises, not involved in the prosperity of Ukraine, since the profit is not intended for Ukraine. And those who have their own business, I think, hardly pay taxes. Face it now. It’s already possible to put an end to Ukraine (it’s even possible to foshist), and Russia is not to blame.
              1. Kars
                Kars 24 August 2013 15: 00
                +1
                Quote: Max Otto
                Those who have a good job work in foreign enterprises

                Are there so many foreign enterprises on the territory of Ukraine? And they still need to pay taxes on its territory. Yes, the profit is deduced, but it’s everywhere.
                Quote: Max Otto
                And those who have their own business, I think, hardly pay taxes

                Well, taxing your bread with caviar is also not in vain, as the budget is being filled up with a single income tax on the population.
                Quote: Max Otto
                Face it now.
                And where is the devata?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 06
                  +6
                  Quote: Kars
                  Kars (

                  So Kars, you didn’t answer last time, what is the benefit of signing a ZTA with the EU for Ukraine, only in numbers. Do not go away from the answer
                2. Corsair
                  Corsair 24 August 2013 20: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Are there so many foreign enterprises on the territory of Ukraine? And they still need to pay taxes on its territory. Yes, the profit is deduced, but it’s everywhere.

                  That is precisely why there are SO few of them, why investments are not being made, and there are many more WHY ...
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 24 August 2013 20: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Corsair
                    That is precisely why there are SO few of them, why investments are not being made, and there are many more WHY

                    You already decide - foreign companies are good or bad.
                    1. Corsair
                      Corsair 24 August 2013 21: 21
                      +1
                      Quote: Kars
                      You already decide - foreign companies are good or bad.

                      I didn’t tell you about "good or bad", for the START of the economy it is good, with a developed economy it is normal (subject to the "transparency" of operations).

                      The point is different, leading manufacturers go to Russia (I won’t list, I’ll get tired), they build factories, provide us with jobs.

                      QUESTION: why is it NOT SO in Ukraine ...
                      1. Kars
                        Kars 24 August 2013 21: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: Corsair
                        QUESTION: why in Ukraine NOT SO ...

                        Well, in Ukraine, it’s not quite right, there are foreign entrepreneurs. And what about the Russian Federation, what’s simpler is that there are petrodollars that need to be helped by the Russians to be well spent. The same is that the Russian Federation almost calmly imposes restrictions on deliveries to its domestic market - which such a small country like Ukraine, which does not trade in energy resources, cannot afford itself much.
                      2. Corsair
                        Corsair 24 August 2013 21: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Kars
                        such a small country like Ukraine, which does not trade in energy resources, cannot afford itself much.

                        Poor, little Ukraine, she has nothing.
                        I already saved with Akim about this, do not be apologetic, otherwise it "carries" you like a weathervane: either you are rich, then poor, then attractive, then nobody needs and so on and so on ...

                        Decide in the end.
                      3. Kars
                        Kars 24 August 2013 21: 50
                        +1
                        Quote: Corsair
                        I have already spoken with Akim about this, do not be apologetic, otherwise it "carries" you like a weathervane: you are rich, then poor, then attractive, then no one needs and so on and so on ...

                        Decide in the end.


                        but what does it have to do with it? There is a state of affairs and it can be seen, of course, a desire is needed for this. But the fact is that without the help of oil and gas, Ukraine’s economy has existed and has been showing sane results for 22 of the year. there are places where it’s worse, but if different integrators hadn’t put the wheels in the wheels, it might have been better to live — an impudent hint at trade wars and gas prices, one cool price for Ukraine is one of the highest prices for gas, but the price for transit through the territory of Ukraine for the Russian Federation is one of the cheapest. Somewhere I came across infa (gas prom hides this data) then Slovenia takes 8 times more expensive than Ukraine.
                      4. Corsair
                        Corsair 25 August 2013 01: 27
                        0
                        Quote: Kars
                        But what does it have to do with it? There is a state of affairs and it can be seen, of course, a desire is needed for this. But the fact is that without the help of oil and gas, the Ukrainian economy has been and has been showing sane results for 22 of the year.

                        Here and determine ...
                      5. Kars
                        Kars 25 August 2013 09: 36
                        +2
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Here and determine ..

                        Exactly HERE?
                3. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 August 2013 21: 57
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  .Likewise, the Russian Federation almost calmly imposes restrictions on deliveries to its domestic market - that such a small country like Ukraine, which does not trade in energy resources, can’t afford itself much.

                  But why Belarus or Kazakhstan can, but Ukraine can not? What is the difference between Ukraine and Belarus and Kazakhstan. I will say what - they are friends with Russia.
                4. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 22: 03
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  But why Belarus or Kazakhstan can,

                  What can they do?
                  Quote: Setrac
                  I will say what - they are friends with Russia.

                  And who will protect them from Russia?

                  At the same time, something noticeable improvements are not visible.
                5. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 August 2013 22: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  What can they do?

                  regulate your market
                  Quote: Kars
                  And who will protect them from Russia?

                  Russia does not attack anyone.
                  Quote: Kars
                  At the same time, something noticeable improvements are not visible.

                  This is from your ignorance. The improvements are significant, but you are not told about them in Ukraine.
                6. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 22: 36
                  +3
                  Quote: Setrac
                  regulate your market

                  By and large, they cannot do this on their own.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Russia does not attack anyone.

                  This refers to economic realities.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  it is from your ignorance. The improvements are significant, but you are not told about them in Ukraine.

                  Probably, Kazakhs with Belarusians who appear on this site are also not told about them - in principle, I do not follow this topic, but since VO turns into a political trash, I involuntarily comes.
                7. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Probably, Kazakhs and Belarusians who appear on this site are also not told about them.

                  Your word is abstract Belarusians on this site
                  Mine are real Belarusians, living people with whom I spoke. My acquaintance from Belarus, the salary increased three times, boasted a few months ago.
                8. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 23: 21
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Your word is abstract Belarusians on this site

                  You are also obstructive for me.
                9. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 35
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  You are also obstructive for me.

                  From the word obstruction? fellow
                10. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 23: 45
                  +3
                  Quote: Setrac
                  From the word obstruction

                  Sorry for my Russian, but you have to understand what was meant.
                  Quote: Essenger
                  Go do something with the economy, you have not yet reached the pre-crisis level. "Independent")))

                  We’ll do something ourselves,
                  Quote: Essenger
                  Your economy is smaller than ours, although the population is almost three times larger

                  Not vkurse, but the area of ​​Ukraine is also larger?
                  Quote: Essenger
                  When Ukrainians roll something against us, it’s funny for me to be honest)))

                  And who is rolling something against you? After joining the TS, a golden rain went past? Prices fell? Salaries increased?
                11. Setrac
                  Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Not vkurse, but the area of ​​Ukraine is also larger?

                  In various sectors of the economy, people work, not areas.
                12. Kars
                  Kars 24 August 2013 23: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  In various sectors of the economy, people work, not areas.

                  Are the areas already meaningless?
                13. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 00: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Are the areas already meaningless?

                  Of decisive importance is the population.
                14. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 00: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Of decisive importance is the population.

                  Or maybe money? Natural resources?
                15. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 01: 05
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  Or maybe money?

                  Everyone draws for himself.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Natural resources?

                  Ukraine is not deprived of natural resources, not a leader, but also not an outsider.
                  The main parameter for development is access to foreign markets. Demand creates supply, but not vice versa. Ukraine is not allowed to enter Western markets and controlled by them, it does not go to the Russian market itself (does not want to enter the TS), and so it is gradually degrading to meet its own needs and falling out of the international division of labor.
                16. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 01: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Everyone draws for himself.

                  that's just not all get the same)))

                  Quote: Setrac
                  The main parameter for development is access to foreign markets. Demand creates supply, but not vice versa.

                  Well, it still depends on the quality of the products manufactured. At the same time, Ukraine is not allowed to enter Europe and Russia in approximately the same way, I can even assume that it is more difficult to let us in Russia.

                  And everything is quite logical - the industry of Ukraine, thanks to cheap energy carriers, did not pay attention to its modernization, especially metallurgists and chemists - so now their products are not very competitive.
                  And do not forget that Ukraine, like the Russian Federation, is a member of the WTO
                17. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 01: 53
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  that's just not all get the same)))

                  I can offer Ukraine to delegate emission rights to Moscow, but I'm afraid you will not support me.
                  Quote: Kars
                  I can even assume that it’s more difficult to let us in.

                  At the moment, it is more difficult to enter Europe, but as the CU develops, the availability of the Russian market to other countries will apparently decrease, but this does not mean that Ukraine will be allowed into European markets.
                  Quote: Kars
                  And everything is quite logical - the industry of Ukraine, thanks to cheap energy carriers, did not pay attention to its modernization, especially metallurgists and chemists - so now their products are not very competitive.

                  What kind of baby talk? Nobody with their at least thrice cheap and high-quality goods will let you into their market for no reason. What is the difference which plant is idle, old or modernized?
                18. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 09: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  I can offer Ukraine to delegate emission rights to Moscow

                  In principle, Moscow will achieve this in the foreseeable future.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  At the moment it’s harder to get into Europe,

                  Nepomnitsa would have been a trade war with the EU, there are precise rules, unlike pocket Onishchenko.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  What kind of baby talk?

                  These are facts.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  ikto with its at least three times cheap and high-quality goods will not let you into its market for no reason.
                  How do we carry out foreign trade activities now? Or is it only the Russian Federation that buys our goods, and only out of kindness?
                19. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 12: 49
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Nepomnitsa would have been a trade war with the EU, there are precise rules, unlike pocket Onishchenko.

                  These rules are VERY tight, Ukraine is not allowed on the European market, you are not there.
                  Quote: Kars
                  How do we carry out foreign trade activities now?

                  Miserable miserable.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Or only our RF buys our goods, and only out of kindness?

                  It is because of the kindness of the soul, because there are no objective reasons to let Ukraine into the Russian market.
                20. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 13: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  These rules are VERY tight, Ukraine is not allowed on the European market, you are not there.

                  But there are these rules. And Ukraine is on the European market.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Miserable miserable.

                  Well, not everyone can trade oil. And as much as we can.
                  Quote: Setrac
                  it is out of kindness of soul, because there are no objective reasons to let Ukraine into the Russian market.

                  That's just not consistent with international trade rules.
                21. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 13: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Kars
                  But there are these rules. And Ukraine is on the European market.

                  Quote: Kars
                  That's just not consistent with international trade rules.

                  These rules are written by the strongest in their interests.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, not everyone can trade oil. And as much as we can.

                  You can no longer have customers for your goods.
                22. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 16: 02
                  +1
                  Quote: Setrac
                  These rules are written by the strongest in their interests.

                  Let the dispute be resolved. Not the same is the only one.

                  Quote: Setrac
                  You can no longer have customers for your goods.

                  Naydutsa. Yes, and we need to adapt to clients. But if you want, certification to the EU standards is quite realistic. And even if the Russian Federation finds palm oil in the product, they don’t find it in the EU - with samples from one batch)))
                23. Setrac
                  Setrac 25 August 2013 16: 50
                  0
                  Quote: Kars
                  And if this is the case, if the Russian Federation finds palm oil in the product, then they will not find it in the EU - at the same time, samples from one batch)))

                  Stupidly going to the Russian market to appeal to European regulatory authorities.
                  Quote: Kars
                  Naydutsa.

                  So look, what are you going to Russia?
                24. Kars
                  Kars 25 August 2013 17: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Stupidly going to the Russian market to appeal to European regulatory authorities.

                  And yours is pointless.
                  So only the WTO remains
                  Quote: Setrac
                  So look, what are you going to Russia?

                  Because they buy if they don’t put the wheels in the wheel.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 25 August 2013 00: 06
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    After joining the Customs Union, the golden rain proceeded, “prices decreased”, salaries increased?

    By no means, I am not a defender of the CU and would like Kazakhstan to get out of there. But in your showdown with the Russians, don’t roll the barrel against us. Like they are independent, Moscow decides everything for them, etc.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 00: 09
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    By no means, I am not a defender of the CU and would like Kazakhstan to get out of there

    This will be remembered by you now.
    Quote: Essenger
    Like they are independent, Moscow decides everything for them, etc.

    Well, say independent, so independent - UNTIL, who knows what will happen next when export-import and production chains are tightened.
  • Essenger
    Essenger 25 August 2013 00: 19
    +3
    Quote: Kars
    This will be remembered by you now.

    I wrote about this repeatedly and if necessary I repeat.

    Quote: Kars
    So far, who knows what will happen next when the export-import and production chains are closed tight.

    We now have the opposition and nationalists powerfully pressuring the authorities about the CU. I hope their efforts will succeed.

    Now about the area. Honestly, I did not expect such a childish argument from you. Ukraine is the first by area in Europe. The same can hardly be said about the economy. Half of the territory of Kazakhstan is desert or semi-desert, that is, unsuitable for living. This is a word.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 00: 22
    +2
    Quote: Essenger
    Now about the area. Honestly, I did not expect such a childish argument from you.

    And I had never compared the economics of Kazakhstan and Ukraine before.

    By the way, you also have gas.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 August 2013 03: 04
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    Quote: Setrac
    Your word is abstract Belarusians on this site

    You are also obstructive for me.

    and ALLOW to be insulated from you ...
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 09: 40
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    and ALLOW to be insulated from you ...

    I allow
  • Essenger
    Essenger 24 August 2013 23: 24
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    By and large, they cannot do this on their own.

    When the Ukrainians roll something against us, it's funny to me to be honest))) Your economy is smaller than ours, although the population is almost three times larger. Go do something with the economy, you have not yet reached the pre-crisis level. "Independent")))
  • Day 11
    Day 11 24 August 2013 22: 37
    +4
    Andrei, you are foolishly rummaging in armored vehicles. But in politics ... ... Why are you inciting Russia-Ukraine?
  • Kars
    Kars 24 August 2013 23: 01
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Why are you fueling Russia-Ukraine?

    Still say that I write articles about Ukraine and post here HERE9 although I admit a couple I reposted but purely in revenge)

    And I do not like an appeal by name on the internet.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 24 August 2013 23: 51
    +1
    Offended. Good, good dear KARS! And I can be Bosy --- Denis
  • Kars
    Kars 24 August 2013 23: 59
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Offended

    Well, why offended.

    Quote: Den 11
    I can be Bosy --- Denis

    I will not apply personal appeals to you except You (YOU) depending on your mood and context.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 August 2013 03: 12
    +4
    Quote: Den 11
    Offended. Good, good dear KARS! And I can be Bosy --- Denis

    And for me KarsENEMY number 1, due to statements for NATO content


  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 09: 41
    +2
    Quote: Corsair
    And for me, Kars is ENEMY number 1, because of the statements for the content of NATO

    I can be proud of it. And NATO itself is the enemy number 2?))))
  • Setrac
    Setrac 25 August 2013 12: 50
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    I can be proud of it. And NATO itself is the enemy number 2?))))

    Both of you have hypertrophied conceit, do not forget, modesty is a virtue.
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 13: 45
    +1
    Quote: Setrac
    Both of you have hypertrophied conceit, do not forget, modesty is a virtue

    Well, it's more like a pirate)))
  • Corsair
    Corsair 25 August 2013 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Kars
    There are foreign entrepreneurs.


    Mital Steel - Kryvorizh-Steel?
  • Kars
    Kars 25 August 2013 21: 12
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    Mital Steel - Kryvorizh-Steel?

    What is not foreign?

    Zaporizhia Aluminum, which the Russians bought and ditched, was also.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 August 2013 02: 08
    +1
    Quote: Kars
    Well, in Ukraine, it’s not entirely wrong, there are foreign entrepreneurs. And as for the Russian Federation, what’s simpler is that there are petrodollars that need to be helped by the Russians properly.

    What does the "petrodolary" have to do with foreign investment?
    Do not you think that it is more appropriate to talk about the attractiveness of the market, its prospects.
    Ukraine is now happily continuing to “waste” its potential, and this cannot be hidden behind any local successes.
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 10: 06
    +2
    Quote: Corsair
    What does the "petrodolary" have to do with foreign investment?

    Well, it’s hard for you to live with such limited knowledge. Petrodollars are the purchasing power of the population who are paid salaries (budgetary sphere), pensions, allowances, maternity capital. The state’s big expenses are also weapons, and the money that goes into its production turn out to be in the pockets of both workers and all involved - some of which are later bought by Mercedes)))
    Quote: Corsair
    Do not you think that it is more appropriate to talk about the attractiveness of the market, its prospects.
    Conchits oil - conchits and perspectives.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 26 August 2013 11: 31
    0


    Quote: Kars
    Well, it’s hard for you to live with such limited knowledge. Petrodollars are the purchasing power of the population who are paid salaries (budgetary sphere), pensions, allowances, maternity capital. The state’s big expenses are also weapons, and the money that goes into its production turn out to be in the pockets of both workers and all involved - some of which are later bought by Mercedes)))


    I tell you "About Thomas, and you tell me about Erema"
    We are talking about FOREIGN investments, the volume of which in 2013 was:

    Foreign direct investment in Russia in 2012 increased to $ 60 billion from $ 56 billion in 2011, Minister of Economic Development Andrei Belousov said at a meeting of the State Council on Thursday.
    __________________________________________________________________________
    "Although we often criticize ourselves, and rightly criticize, for the quality of our investment climate, in general, in terms of attracting investments, Russia looks quite positive among other countries," Belousov said.

    According to him, in 2011 Russia ranked ninth among the GXNUMX countries in terms of foreign direct investment attracted per year. “This is taking into account the general trend of investment outflow from emerging markets due to the debt crisis in Europe,” Belousov stressed.

    "Without taking this factor into account, Russia has attracted $ 263 billion in foreign direct investment in five years. This is the sixth result in the world and the second after China among the BRICS countries," the minister explained.


    For two of the four factors affecting the attraction of investments, Russia occupies a leading position, namely in financial stability and domestic market opportunities.
    In international ratings on attracting foreign investment, the Russian Federation is among the leaders in two respects - the macroeconomic situation (2-place among G20 countries) and the potential of the domestic market (7-place among 140 countries), the minister said.

    However, in terms of infrastructure development and state agencies, Russia lags behind the leading countries. In this regard, the main efforts of the government are aimed at resolving precisely these issues.

    According to Rosstat, the inflow of foreign investment in the Russian economy over the three quarters decreased by 14,4% in annual terms and amounted to $ 114,5 billion. At the same time, foreign direct investment increased by 4,6% to $ 12,277 billion.

    Help (SPECIAL FOR YOU):

    Foreign direct investment (abbreviated as FDI) is a form of participation of foreign capital in the implementation of investment projects in the territory of the recipient country, which is characterized by the active participation of the investor (or its representatives) in the organization. FDI is the most popular form of investment for developing economies, as it allows for the implementation of large and important projects, and in addition, the country receives the latest technologies (for example, when setting up production facilities), new corporate governance practices, etc.

    And in Ukraine with investments - "Deaf, as in a tank"
  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 15: 19
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    We are talking about FOREIGN investments, the volume of which in 2013 was:

    Do you really misunderstand? Why make a foreign investment? That would just give money to Russia? To make money. And where to make good money? Where there is money from the CONSUMERS. This is an elementary economy)))
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 19: 54
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    Foreign direct investment in Russia in 2012 increased to $ 60 billion from $ 56 billion in 2011, Minister of Economic Development Andrei Belousov said at a meeting of the State Council on Thursday.

    This is victory! "... capital outflow from the Russian Federation, according to the Central Bank, amounted to ... for the entire 2012 - 56,8 billion dollars."
    http://1prime.ru/Statistics/20130212/761116547.html
    Quote: Corsair
    And in Ukraine with investments - "Deaf, as in a tank"

    Deaf, but Ukraine and less by an order of magnitude:
    "In 2012, foreign investors invested $ 6,013 billion in direct investment in the Ukrainian economy, which is 7,2% less than in 2011 ($ 6,480 billion), according to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine."
    http://economics.unian.net/rus/news/157487-obyem-pryamyih-inostrannyih-investits
    iy-v-ukrainu-v-2012-godu-sokratilsya-do-6-mlrd-doll.html
    Unfortunately, I did not find any clear data on the outflow of capital from Ukraine in 2012, on the basis that I read 7-8 billion dollars.
    Corsair, you should not give the facts one-sided ... Et Setrak likes this)))
  • Day 11
    Day 11 26 August 2013 20: 09
    +2
    Old man, how much is the order? Did you teach mathematics? (No offense)
  • Setrac
    Setrac 26 August 2013 22: 27
    0
    Quote: Den 11
    Old man, how much is the order? Did you teach mathematics? (No offense)

    The economy of Ukraine is an order of magnitude (approximately) smaller than the Russian economy.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 23: 17
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    Old man, how much is the order? Did you teach mathematics? (No offense)

    No, of course) Nevertheless:
    PPP of Russia - $ 3,380 trillion
    Nominal GDP of Russia - $ 2,014 trillion
    PPP of Ukraine - $ 340,7 billion
    Nominal GDP of Ukraine - $ 176,2 billion
    Divide by 10 and get Russia's GDP 9,9 times more at PPP, 11,4 more at face value.
    An expression an order of magnitude more (or less) means about 10 times more (or less). (Wikipedia)
    So overall I'm right tongue
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  • Kars
    Kars 26 August 2013 22: 57
    +1
    Quote: Corsair
    To this, if I may say so, to the "individual" of the epithets "UNCATCHING" or the like, I did not allow myself ...

    Wow, what kind of YOU are gentle)))) But the economy, although you would certainly have learned the basics, otherwise it’s not tricky to over sheets that you don’t understand.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 26 August 2013 22: 30
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    Corsair, you should not give the facts one-sided ... Et Setrak likes this)))

    We beat the enemy with his own methods. But you (not you personally, but Russophobes of Ukraine) accused Russia of the fact that the GERMAN company put the flag of Ukraine on the toilet, there are many such examples, we are only defending ourselves.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 26 August 2013 23: 05
    0
    Quote: Setrac
    We beat the enemy with his own methods. But you (not you personally, but Russophobes of Ukraine) accused Russia of the fact that the GERMAN company put the flag of Ukraine on the toilet, there are many such examples, we are only defending ourselves.

    As far as I saw / read, indignation was caused by the fact that this advertisement was shown on Russian channels and the "delight" of ordinary Russians from it (if you are talking about "claims to Russia). And the Germans immediately expressed their fairies, they apologized and removed the production.
    P.S. Remembering you and this ad, didn’t you prove that this stick appeared before the age of 91 and that the claims of Ukraine are not justified?)
  • Setrac
    Setrac 28 August 2013 00: 34
    0
    Quote: Corneli
    P.S. Remembering you and this ad, didn’t you prove that this stick appeared before the age of 91 and that the claims of Ukraine are not justified?)

    Unreasonable, but they are and you can understand them.
    Quote: Corneli
    outrage was caused by the fact that this advertisement was shown on Russian channels

    I have never seen this ad, what channels are we talking about? Obviously something pro-Western!
    Quote: Corneli
    And the Germans immediately expressed the fairy, they apologized and the products were removed.

    I’ll ask again, where does Russia come from?
  • zmey_gadukin
    zmey_gadukin 24 August 2013 15: 23
    0
    Quote: alex13-61
    And one more thing: they don’t pay taxes, don’t formalize and "throw" hired workers (if there are any) and do not produce anything, but trade shoto ...

    it's not smart, it's fucked up and cunning
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 14
    +6
    Quote: Kars
    Clever ride on foreign cars

    And the rest who are in your eyes, who do not have a foreign car or their own business?
    1. Kars
      Kars 24 August 2013 22: 01
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And the rest who are in your eyes, who do not have a foreign car or their own business?

      The inhabitants, who lived under 120 rubles a month even during the USSR, stood in a queue for an apartment, and only dreamed about a car. In principle, it makes all the difference that the article for parasitism was canceled. By the way, my parents lived
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 25 August 2013 19: 09
        +1
        Quote: Kars
        Goths stood in line for an apartment

        Now, wait a century ... you won’t get anything.
  • Patriot 43
    Patriot 43 24 August 2013 15: 55
    -4
    Do you think so? Replace with "Russia" ... just don't belong to.))
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 42
      +3
      Quote: Patriot 43
      Do you think so? Replace with "Russia" ... just don't belong to.))

      Some kind of abstract phrase in a vacuum. To whom and what are you answering?
      1. Patriot 43
        Patriot 43 24 August 2013 17: 00
        -1
        Kuznetsov. On the "poster".
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 24 August 2013 17: 24
    +3
    UKRAINE CELEBRATES AN INDEPENDENCE DAY!

    The celebration of Ukraine’s “Independence Day” looks especially piquant in recent years, when Kiev really, so to speak, demonstrates "independence", or rather, "equidistance" from Russia and Europe. That is what demonstrates and, admittedly, is not very convincing. We have signed a memorandum with the Customs Union, but are also preparing to sign an association agreement with the European Union. Yes, only there is no connection between independence and "multi-vector" - these are things of a different order. The inevitable, apparently, rapprochement with Brussels will obviously show official Kiev and Yanukovych personally what the price of their independence is. But it will be too late.

    Well, happy holidays to you, brothers.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 24 August 2013 17: 58
      +2
      Dear Alex is Ukrainian. I cannot but respond to your picture with quotations from the works of young Ukrainian biologists. Even if this is not the topic (or maybe the topic), but since we congratulated so on "holiday".

      Pigs are a separate issue.

      Pigs love dirt, so you don’t have to clean them valiantly every time
      * Ukraine is considered the birthplace of fat
      * Keeping pigs does not require mental abilities
      * Pigs breed inferiorly
      * You can get fat from a pig ... a lot of fat!
      * Not only meat and fat are obtained from pigs, but their legs are also appreciated!
      * Pigs have very beneficial organs. For example, the liver ...
      * In general, pig grunts get on your nerves and get bored ...
      * Pigs eat a lot, believe my experience
      * Pigs need many years to exceed biomass
      * You can buy the remains of any plant and feed these pigs
      * For 100 pigs, 50 sq.m. is enough.
      * It is believed that man did not come from a monkey, but from a pig.
      * If you contain a pig farm, you can sell meat, lard, sprats ...
      * Fats are made from lard.
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    1. maxvet
      maxvet 24 August 2013 11: 26
      +1
      These fools just to shine their tits
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        1. maxvet
          maxvet 24 August 2013 12: 13
          0
          I haven’t seen this yet, well, I think this is a clinical case request
  • Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 24 August 2013 10: 59
    +6
    It is hard to imagine that all this is happening in my homeland - Ukraine. Really, the people who participated in this Sabbath forgot about the victims of the Ukrainian people in the 2 World War !? How can almost officially glorify the invaders?
  • gych
    gych 24 August 2013 11: 02
    +4
    Yes, figs with them with these clowns, let them dress up what they want! "Svolotovtsy" and "Udarovtsi" even embroider a swastika on their own! It's just a show, a shameful show! This is the rottenness of our veterans, real fighters who fought against the Nazi plague! that people come to such shows and probably believe these Natsiks if they follow them! remember the vradievka how they warmed up on someone else's grief! and the consequence of their incitement! they are for this to the wall ... so that they can not carry their filthy ideology to the masses! I wonder what Putin or Lukashenka would do if only they had such ugly things in their country ?!
  • egor 1712
    egor 1712 24 August 2013 11: 14
    +7
    I read and marvel at what state I live in anyway. Ukraine during one of the republics of the USSR experienced the horrors of the Great Patriotic War during the war. Almost every family has lost a member of their family. How with such losses, such evil spirits can walk on this earth?
    What is in the minds of our leaders? Okay, Judas Yushchenko. But Yanukovych was chosen by the population of Ukraine, which gave him the opportunity to deal with nationalists, solve the issue of cooperation with Russia and make Russian the second official language.
    Yanukovych will either do a worthy deed by Bogdan Khmelnitsky, or he will die in obscurity and shame, like Mazepa.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 24 August 2013 11: 35
      +5
      Quote: egor 1712
      Yanukovych will either do a worthy deed by Bogdan Khmelnitsky, or he will die in obscurity and shame, like Mazepa.

      Yes, he and Mazepa called not worthy. His only name is JUDAH!
  • Druid
    Druid 24 August 2013 11: 40
    12 th
    Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
    We again need Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili (Stalin) and Beria
    So that's why the Russian army went to fight in Georgia, for a new king lol

    But now seriously.
    Correctly condemnation of young Ukrainians who are now wearing SS uniforms, one can argue whether those who fought with the Soviet Union on the side of the Germans were right or wrong, according to the principle "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy", it is correct to condemn and execute punishers in whatever uniform they dress up, UNA or the SS, it's a pity that they did not condemn those who their own people, dispossessed their poor brothers and sisters, competing with statistics and shot in batches ...
    The form of the NKVD for me is not better than the SS-ovskoy, that’s the way it is.

    Only here to expose some Ukrainians Natsik WRONG and to put it mildly ugly. The fourth week in Russia, we walk with my wife along the same route and one fine day we see something like this, in a Russian city, a city that was under occupation, whose male population mostly died during the war, my grandfather’s brother, an Azerbaijani, died liberating this region from the Nazis, where it lies in a mass grave, a city where for many years after the war hospitals remained crowded with wounded and crippled.

    So who's back ?! Apparently, the genetic memory of the grandchildren and great-grandchildren of those whose grandmothers sucked off the soldiers of the Wehrmacht, lay under them, then giving birth to the fathers of the current "artists", those whose grandfathers served in the police, in the ROA, so I understand? ...
    It's a shame for grandfathers in tattered quilted jackets who passed from East to West, of course, beautifully dress in SS or SS uniform, imitate torchlight processions and marches, arrange "Russian marches", throw up a hand in a Nazi greeting ...

    The family has its black sheep, in Ukraine, too, an ambiguous attitude to all this, but do not run into Ukrainians posing as "keepers of history", sort it out at home to begin with.
    For example, I cannot imagine this in my native Baku and thank God I have never seen it, and I would have torn my head off to such an "artist" ... I cannot imagine an Azerbaijani frying barbecue on an eternal fire, painting a monument to soldiers of the Great Patriotic War with swastikas - I list only a part of recent news stories from Russia.

    So have a conscience! Change the tone. Understand yourself, and then poke fingers in the other!
    1. GREAT RUSSIA
      GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 12: 37
      +2
      if you are talking about me, I completely condemn Ukrainians and others. I meant that we need Stalin to cleanse the country of these liberals, corrupt officials, and the fifth column, I myself am also a Caucasian (Karachay) and I also do not imagine a Caucasian grilling shish kebab for eternity, we strongly condemn this. And I understand that Ukrainians and Belarusians and Russians perished in this war, and I do not blame any of these people. so you misunderstood me comrade Druid with all due respect.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin 24 August 2013 14: 05
      +6
      Quote: Druid
      The family has its black sheep, in Ukraine, too, an ambiguous attitude to all this, but do not run into Ukrainians posing as "keepers of history", sort it out at home to begin with.

      You are leaving out one. If this "artist" is caught in Russia, then here he will be brought to justice, if not to criminal, then to administrative responsibility. And in Ukraine, these fascists are tacitly supported at the state level. I remember how the water school from Kiev (in the time of Yushch) held a children's drawing competition in honor of Hitler's birthday.
    3. Patriot 43
      Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 31
      -1
      Anyone who has a conscience understands everything, and these here ... so ... whiten-dye. The girls ruined the army, pulled it apart and everything is ok.
  • Arkan
    Arkan 24 August 2013 11: 50
    +3
    In the Customs Union, this country allowing such covens is not needed. The ethnic situation in Europe is tense. Are the frames forging?
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  • Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 24 August 2013 11: 56
    +2
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    Lord what is going on! Ukraine, do you even understand what you are doing? request

    Nope! They will finish the game soon! Georgia has played out, and they will play out!
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 11: 56
    +3
    Dukes missing everywhere. They grab and punish us. In my opinion too soft.
    Yes, in the village of Elanskoy a PRIVATE farmstead of a certain family with a very literary and characteristic surname characteristic of these places - Melekhov, a monument to the German litter was set up to ataman Krasnov, who has not been rehabilitated to this day. called "Don Cossacks in the fight against the Bolsheviks." prosecutors and public organizations regularly demand to demolish it. The case is currently in court.
    As for another monument, a memorial plate erected in Moscow with similar "personalities"
    “Atamans: Krasnov, Shkuro, Domanov, Sultan-Girey Klych, Pavlov, von Pannvits, Kononov, Zborovsky, generals: Kutepov, Miller, Mikhailov, Kaulbars, Turkul, Holmston-Smyslovsky, Skorodumov, Shteifon. To the soldiers of the Russian All-Military Union, the Russian Corps, the Cossack Camp, the Cossacks of the 15 cavalry corps who fell for faith and the fatherland. ”
    It was installed in 1994. It was installed by enthusiasts from the radical anti-Soviet military-historical organization "Volunteer Corps" headed by Leonid Lamm. A year later, unidentified persons, who did not agree with the appearance of a dubious monument in the capital, poured waterproof glue on it. The slab currently looks like this:

    These are not monuments to Bandera in Lviv and marching mummers. At the same time, clarify this funny incident to me:
    A citizen of Ukraine, who is suspected of participating in the events of May 9 in Lviv, was taken into custody in the Krasnoyarsk Territory. Police in a neighboring state put him on the wanted list, claiming that a 45-year-old man (the Ukrainian media called his name is Roman Semchiy) tore off a St. George ribbon and a medal from a WWII veteran, and then hit the old man. He fled to Russia to mine gold.

    That is, a person fought against Russia, beat veterans, and hides and makes money in the same Russia, some inconsistency. Not to wash asses to SS veterans in Germany, following the example of their ancestors.
    1. TRAFFIC
      TRAFFIC 24 August 2013 13: 56
      -9
      Oh, these are the guys from the society for the search for victims of the war, they are also engaged in military reconstruction. Here, for example, is a photo from another reburial, guys in the form of an SA.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 19
        +1
        What is it about?
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  • GREAT RUSSIA
    GREAT RUSSIA 24 August 2013 12: 03
    +2
    for such actions here it is necessary to shoot without any trial. am But for the fact that these girls show themselves naked or a large fine, and if they do not pay the fine, they’ll go to prison am
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 12: 24
      +3
      Quote: GREAT RUSSIA
      But for the fact that these girls show themselves naked or a large fine, and if they do not pay the fine, they’ll go to prison


      need easier.

      operate the old proven method.
      drive brains into the head through the backside.

      very effective way.
      there they tried to buck up in Belarus, but the local comrades clearly explained to them that it is unhealthy.
      see through the backside, it rather comes.
  • Druid
    Druid 24 August 2013 12: 11
    10 th
    Quote: Arkan
    In the Customs Union, this country allowing such covens is not needed.
    Um, in my opinion no one is breaking at the door of this "union" ... Calling something does not work even with threats.


    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Georgia has played out, and they will play out!
    Well, well, fight with Ukraine ...
    But you can use a computer, print and go online, that is, an educated layer of today's Russians, then what can we expect from Russia? ... What is the union or the CIS sad
    In short, the farther to be from Russia in political and military senses, the better NATO’s pair of bases, so as not to worry about the drunken delirium of a neighbor?
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 12: 37
      +3
      Quote: Druid
      Um, in my opinion no one is breaking at the door of this "union" ... Calling something does not work even with threats.


      probably you about countries such as Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Vietnam, Syria have not heard?
      just type in the search "who wants to join the customs union"- you will learn a lot of interesting things.
      Quote: Druid
      Well, well, fight with Ukraine ...


      but why fight with her, she herself safely fall apart.
      north east south - they will go to Russia, but the west shouldn’t be a nod to her (us), and not a nat for money.

      FSE the rest of your "creativity" I will leave without comment, since you have not yet departed from yesterday.
      try the pickle - it helps.
      1. Patriot 43
        Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 36
        -1
        Anika is a warrior. Strategist and tactician. And he said that brother.))
    2. Patriot 43
      Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 34
      -2
      "Forced love" does not work with Ukraine!
      1. Rider
        Rider 24 August 2013 17: 09
        +4
        Quote: Patriot 43
        "Forced love" does not work with Ukraine!


        you read the document on European integration, there not only "passes" but also goes in and out.
        and, mind you, without any contraception.



        I hope you enjoy it.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 11
        +2
        Quote: Patriot 43
        Coerced love "does not pass with Ukraine!

        The USA and Janek tell it, they are happy.
  • Horst78
    Horst78 24 August 2013 12: 37
    +4
    "And what these guys did during the War, any schoolboy knows." - unfortunately, not every student with the current education sad
  • ed65b
    ed65b 24 August 2013 12: 55
    +4
    You play the Slavs brothers, oh play the Nazis to the worst. It’s time for you to tie up the Westerners, they will come to power in the next elections and then it’s not enough for everyone.
    1. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 13: 39
      +7
      Well, actually enough to swear, let's better see the cartoon:
      1. Renat
        Renat 24 August 2013 18: 47
        +2
        Lugansk Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine. +
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  • Corsair
    Corsair 24 August 2013 13: 45
    0
    Quote: Rider
    so why photoshop
    you will not believe, but they have them (tanks) as many as TEN.
    Russia is terrified, the USA is in a panic, China is thinking about joining the Ukrainian military power.

    Humor - humor, but maybe Kars will "enlighten" how many T-84 "Oplot" (am I not mistaken?) is in service with the ZSU (as of 2013)?
    1. Rider
      Rider 24 August 2013 14: 48
      +3
      Quote: Corsair
      but can Kars "enlighten" how many T-84 "Oplot"


      10, as I said.
      and drove hundreds of Bulat
      about our Teshki and their 64s, not in the know.
      but they are actively fusing them abroad, and so they live.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 August 2013 16: 19
        0
        Quote: Rider
        10, as I said.

        (+) Thank you, but I wanted to hear THIS from Kars, in order to clarify how with 10 tanks HE "swings" at such a task ...
        1. Kars
          Kars 24 August 2013 17: 23
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          (+) Thank you, but I wanted to hear THIS from Kars to clarify how with 10 tanks HE "swings" at such a task ...

          And what’s not enough? And it’s not necessary to fight just Oplot in the Russian Federation to run only one T-90MS technology demonstrator reaching the level of BM Oplot, and in Kharkov there should be a couple of three Thai people.


          By the way, it’s interesting how about the problems with the BTT of Ukraine, so articles from Gurk Khan are being redirected to the site, but how about the disorder of UVZ so undetected)))

          http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/08/72_22.html
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 40
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2013/08/72_22.html

            Following the link of Kars, belay and then hahahha wassat wassat wassat
            The mystery of the T-72 is revealed!
            The recently held tank biathlon competition, in addition to the level of crew training and the quality of ammunition, revealed the most terrible secret of the Soviet and, by inheritance, Russian armored forces. It turns out that since 1967, under the guise of a T-72 tank, the T-84 "Oplot" tank was in service!
            We were tactfully hinted about this for the first time in 2010. Then, to the 90th anniversary of the Russian tank forces, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation issued a silver 1-ruble commemorative coin with the image of the Ukrainian T-84 tank. Here she is:

            Sala Glory to Ukraine bully
            1. Kars
              Kars 24 August 2013 21: 20
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              The mystery of the T-72 is revealed!

              All the same, you read it yourself)) you will get a lot of pleasure including sent by Ukrainian agents to UVZ. They post on posters equipment that is positioned as Ukrainian (although it is Soviet) or rather that for UVZ it is more important than the enemy Kharkov Design Bureau
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 24 August 2013 14: 21
    +2
    Am I looking at the photo, even some old people were cluttered together? The USSR acted very softly with former Nazis, no matter for what reason you were among the Nazis, the war will pass and you will take off your Nazi uniform, as they asked in one film, it was necessary to give all the Nazis that that they would not be able to remove, so that everyone saw these ss-ovskih villains and executioners.
  • Sevastopol
    Sevastopol 24 August 2013 14: 43
    +7
    Ukrainians were invented for only one purpose. This artificial nation was created only in order to divide and quarrel among themselves the Russian people. But a lie does not build a state. Sooner or later, as our history has shown, unification is inevitable. And now just another troubled time and a period of fragmentation.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 56
      +3
      Quote: Sevastopolets
      Ukrainians were invented for only one purpose. This artificial nation was created only in order to divide and quarrel among themselves the Russian people. But a lie does not build a state. Sooner or later, as our history has shown, unification is inevitable. And now just another troubled time and a period of fragmentation.

      Let's say “Ukrainians” are an artificially created nation. ”And on the territory of Russia there are many non-artificial ones, who have nothing to do with the Slavs. Should they start to discredit their“ original history ”and start downloading rights? In the meantime, in reality, such articles (more precisely, coverage of certain actions of individual scum and projection of this to the whole country) are driving a wedge between the fraternal community of Slavs. So think, for whom, Are you trying?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 33
        +1
        Quote: Corneli
        Maybe you shouldn't rant about "artificiality" or lack thereof, but start taking real steps towards norms. unification?

        Well then do at least one tiny little step.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 24 August 2013 16: 53
          +6
          Quote: Setrac
          Well then do at least one tiny little step.

          Which one then? Yanyk, who was so disliked, immediately after becoming president, arranged a meeting with Putin and Medvedev (first of all!). Issues discussed: prolongation, without delirium, of the base in Sevastopol (done), cooperation in the production of AN aircraft (not done, the Russians just wanted to take EVERYTHING! Hence the hassle with such aircraft), Russian as a second state language (partially done, despite the mad opposition from the "orange opposition") opening schools at will, recognizing the language as regional (as an intermediate step) are the main steps.
          "Concessions" from Russia: a decrease in gas prices (the price is higher than in half of Europe and this is at a discount !!!!! 100 bucks for transit !!! Without it, the price is higher than almost any "gay European"! write about the price increase ... I just laugh!). It is more profitable to buy Russian gas from Hungary, Germany, etc. ALREADY NOW! And this is with 100 baksevoy transit discount!)
          Well, so who did there and what? Brothers? You write, do not be shy ...
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 24 August 2013 17: 01
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            Well, so who did there and what? Brothers? You write, do not be shy ...

            The Russian market for Ukrainian goods will be closed - you will understand who is doing more for whom.
            Quote: Corneli
            prolongation, without delirium, the base in Sevastopol

            For this, Russia paid a LOT.
            Quote: Corneli
            cooperation in the production of AN aircraft (not done, the Russians just wanted to take everything

            It was necessary to give money and forget about them? (About money)
            Quote: Corneli
            Russian as the second state language (partly done, despite fierce opposition from the "orange opposition") opening schools at will, recognizing the language as a regional one (as an intermediate step) are the main steps.

            You do this in the interests of citizens of Ukraine, most of whom speak Russian!
    2. Patriot 43
      Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 37
      -2
      You have a wild story. On blood.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 24 August 2013 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: Patriot 43
        You have a wild story. On blood.

        This is written in a textbook about ancient ukrov? Where did you get this? Where is she wild? In which bloody?
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  • VadimSt
    VadimSt 24 August 2013 15: 27
    +1
    A question pops up. Is the current government in Ukraine a political force designed to solve foreign and domestic policy issues, or a criminal community that solves only issues of redistribution of property and personal well-being?
    It may be limited to a well-known proverb - What is the pop, such is the parish?
  • Passer
    Passer 24 August 2013 15: 30
    +3
    Apparently, the month dedicated to Ukraine continues. Recently, it seems that Tyagnibok and the company are purposefully pursuing a policy of discrediting both the Ukrainian flag and the very idea of ​​Ukraine's independence. Moreover, the logic of this fancy-dress show is unclear why the executioners (I can't dare call them fighters) of the Waffen SS became fighters for the independence of Ukraine, something is unclear. They worked out the ideas of the Third Reich, and the Ost plan did not provide for any "Independence of Ukraine", on the contrary, this territory was necessary for the residence of the "superior race", the presence of the indigenous population was allowed only as service personnel, in no more than necessary quantity. It is strange, somehow "Svoboda" imagines freedom.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 15: 48
      +2
      Quote: Passer
      Apparently, the month dedicated to Ukraine continues.

      And it will last, accruingly, until the November summit in Vilnius! And the Nazis have nothing to do with it, there won’t be them, they’ll find something else!
      Quote: Passer
      Moreover, the logic of this fancy-dress show is unclear why the executioners (I can't dare call them fighters) of the Waffen SS became fighters for the independence of Ukraine, something is unclear. They worked out the ideas of the Third Reich, and the "Ost" plan did not provide for any "Independence of Ukraine", on the contrary, this territory was necessary for the residence of the "superior race", the presence of the indigenous population was allowed only as service personnel, in an amount no more than necessary. Strange, somehow "Freedom" imagines freedom.

      In Ukraine, EXTREMELY, there are few people who support (and generally tolerate) such "shows". And the "forms" themselves, I'm not sure that in Russia there are no fans of the Nazis (flaunting in Hitler's uniform), the whole question is in the coverage of such "holidays" by the press.
      P.S. The so-called "Freedom" party, for me personally, is disgusting! (To live in the past (and even so disgusting) in itself is flawed. Italians do not walk in togas, and Greeks in tunics (chanting their ancient achievements), and our Natsiks run in "embroidered shirts" as defective
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 24 August 2013 16: 27
        +2
        Quote: Corneli
        here the whole question is in the coverage of such "holidays" by the press.

        And the support of their power, whether it be direct encouragement or "bashful" silence. Isn't that so?
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 24 August 2013 17: 52
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          And the support of their power, whether it be direct encouragement or "bashful" silence. Isn't that so?

          Not this way ! The chased Corsair, who is again under the Ukrainian. flag! As an "example", take the not advertised actions on separatism in Crimea, western Ukraine and Odessa region (during the war in transnistria). What do YOU ​​know about this? If you suddenly do not know, then I inform you ... they banged everyone (the ringleaders / conspirators) quietly and no kipish and "national self-separation" (as at the same time in Chechnya, in Russia) did not happen! So much for the "bashful" silence of the Ukrainian. reality!
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 24 August 2013 21: 02
            +1
            Quote: Corneli
            If you suddenly do not know, then I inform you ... they banged everyone (the ringleaders / conspirators) quietly and no kipish and "national self-separation" (as at the same time in Chechnya, in Russia) did not happen! Here is the "bashful" Ukrainian silence. reality!

            And in what historical period did this happen? Under which president? Please clarify ...
            Yanukovych simply does not see the will to restore order in the country.

            And as for the "flag", then apparently this is a proxy server failure, although I never hid my origin from Ukraine (Ukrainian SSR), Donbass ...
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 24 August 2013 16: 52
        +3
        Quote: Corneli
        , I'm not sure that there are no Nazi fans in Russia (flaunting in Hitler's uniform), the whole question is in the coverage of such "holidays" by the press.

        In Russia, this is not welcomed at the state level and there are none in parliament ...
  • Paul
    Paul 24 August 2013 15: 38
    +3
    Quote: Sevastopolets
    Ukrainians were invented for only one purpose. This artificial nation was created only in order to divide and quarrel among themselves the Russian people. But a lie does not build a state. Sooner or later, as our history has shown, unification is inevitable. And now just another troubled time and a period of fragmentation.

    I agree, like the Croats, Bosnians, Montenegrins, but the essence is the same - the Serbs are an artificially divided people recourse
  • solomon
    solomon 24 August 2013 15: 46
    +3
    Reburial is understandable. And why form SS? Hatred? To whom? To yourself?
  • Cristall
    Cristall 24 August 2013 16: 09
    +5
    Nobody came up with us, they themselves happened.
    Enough already to carry nonsense to humiliate the honor and dignity of the nation, one of the branches of the Eastern Slavs!
    I understand that the main goal of the constant suggestion that we came up with is the vaccination of the inferiority complex!
    Discussing this topic again pull Lvivshchina to Ukraine.
    This is comrades - the topic is how Kharkov celebrated the liberation (three times passed the city from hand to hand)?
    no - and there are red flags and a celebration of veterans and measures solemnly declared this, and a parade.
    Where about independence? No - but today all the news came out and not one of them was disgraceful about this article!
    I express my protest against the submission of material about my country to the VO as a purely elective negative and aimed for a specific purpose!
    Look, they compared what was done in a place in Galicia with the rest of Ukraine, they thoroughly shaved .. and are we stupid here and do our best to support all these fascist gatherings?
    In Odessa, as before, the Walk of Fame, not the Bender Walk!
    And in other cities and only there, far in the west, and even then not everywhere there is a cult of "fight against Radianskoyu vladi" which you persistently drive us into as a national trend! Notice not our government! Not the media, but you drive me, for example, a trend of guilt and feelings of inferiority, for the fact that I am Ukrainian. I know my country has a lot of problems, a lot of idiots from the West, but why make hardworking people who have no time to engage in politics and shout at the forum - all these working people - are guilty? And to plant complexes?
    And constantly ... what is not happening - the topic is only about Western morons ... about the declarations of a crazy government or God-damned Tyagnibok-Farion ... and all this is pulled by all Ukrainians .. they say you are all bad you are all not good you are all admit and fall apart completely .... and there you and the road ..
    What for? Well condemned, condemn - condemn them! I personally didn’t bury these Benderts and didn’t stand in a helmet (reconstruction in practice) is the work of those organizations ... an ordinary Ukrainian should always be blown away - they say he and not a member of the Una Unso mercenaries shot Russians. Ordinary Ukrainian took off and sold Georgian air defense, he opened the valve (in every house there is a Button-Steal Gas)
    I am ashamed of only one thing - that Yanukovych did not curtail the activities of these searches for "New Heroes" (Western Benders) Yushch ... although the program included ... however, every time I vote for a candidate who promises friendly relations with Russia, I personally always broke off ... and the country (people) too.
    But still, they inspire us that we are to blame for all the SINS that our government commits, because we chose it, we chose it with a specific program, but we didn’t wait for it.
    I personally do not blame for anything specifically every Ukrainian and the people on this site are not to blame and I will not be guilty!
    Kharkiv citizens with the City Day - well done.
    Ukrainians - with Independence Day.
    Wait a series of holidays-Liberation of Ukraine from fascism .... cities, one after another, celebrate their days.
    God forbid we figure it out with our idiots.
    1. alex13-61
      alex13-61 24 August 2013 16: 56
      +3
      Quote: Cristall
      In Odessa, as before, the Walk of Fame, not the Bender Walk!

      To keep it that way, you cannot let the Nazi tumor grow.
    2. Patriot 43
      Patriot 43 24 August 2013 17: 15
      0
      It is true that we, unlike the Russians, were not invented (you need to know the history of your country). Lviv region is also Ukraine. The people live there are hospitable and lively. There are no such horrors as in Kushchevskaya (but is it just there?), Those who are trying to make sentences here, accusations and others do not understand whose mill the water is pouring . All these skirmishes only distance us from each other. This is bad.
    3. Kotleopold
      Kotleopold 25 August 2013 09: 21
      +1
      Quote: Cristall
      and we are stupid here sitting and in every possible way that we support all these fascist gatherings? In Odessa there is still the Alley of Glory, not the Alley of Bendery! which you persistently hammer into us as a national trend!


      Add - in Zaporozhye has already formed good tradition to water shit (natural product from a local manufacturer lol ) local führer (the leader of a handful of local "svobodovtsy"). So we can also teach - there would be someone. sad
  • Patriot 43
    Patriot 43 24 August 2013 16: 44
    -3
    Many residents of the neighboring country are very concerned about the fate of Ukraine. And if it were kindly, then okay. Here I constantly ask questions: Do you know the amount of the stabilization fund of Russia? Where is it stored? Why is there? I very often visit Russia (not in Moscow) and see all the "delights" of life, there is no life, existence in villages, townships, small towns. So I can not find the answer to those three questions ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 24 August 2013 17: 22
      +2
      Quote: Patriot 43
      Do you know the amount of the stabilization fund of Russia?

      Do you know the amount of debts of Ukraine wassat
  • serge
    serge 24 August 2013 17: 38
    +2
    Corneli
    Strongly pushed back! I thought that at least the Nazis didn’t treat Jews very much (I’m just silent about homosexuals)
    -----------------
    Not everything is as simple as it seems. It depends on which Jews the Nazis "did not treat very much." Jew is a Jew. East European Ashkinaz Jews on Soviet territory were destroyed by the Nazis, just like the Slavs, by the way. And Western European Sephardic Jews were practically not touched either in Germany under Hitler, or in Spain under Franco, or in Italy under Mussolini. Before the war, up to half a million Jews lived in Germany, 300 thousand of them left freely, those who did not leave almost did not suffer. In the Hitlerite army 150 thousand (!) Jewish soldiers and officers fought. For a long time, the Nazi press posted a photo of a blue-eyed blonde in a helmet. The picture reads:
    "The ideal German soldier". This Aryan ideal was the Wehrmacht fighter Werner Goldberg.
    More than 10 thousand Nazi Jews were captured by the Soviet army only near Moscow (!) During the defeat of Nazi troops.
    As for homosexuals in Germany at that time. Ernst Röhm, the leader of the stormtroopers who brought Hitler to power, is better known. Rudolf Hess (!) Was known in the corresponding circles in Germany under the nickname "Fraulein Anna". The aesthetics of German fascist art of those times, with many naked male figures with bare genitals, also speaks volumes. As Maxim Gorky said in 1934, "Destroy homosexuals - fascism will disappear." Homosexuality in the Third Reich was persecuted, but only at the grassroots level, and this was not a phenomenon unique to National Socialism. Until the 70s of the XX century, homosexuality was not welcomed anywhere. The total number of people convicted of homosexuality in Germany from 1933 to 1944 was, according to various estimates, from 50 to 95 thousand people, that is, no more than 5-10 thousand per year, which is relatively small. Some homosexuals after the arrival of the allies were again (!) Placed in prisons, as the law on punishment for homosexuality continued to operate. After the war, both in East and West Germany until the 70s, homosexuals were considered a criminal element.
    1. Allegedly
      Allegedly 25 August 2013 14: 24
      0
      The then German army did not serve Jews, but half-breeds (mischling - mischling). Those officers who had a Jewish mother were given a special certificate signed personally by Aloizich, which certified their German racial purity. There was a case when one soldier, the holder of the Iron Cross (probably this is an analogue of the Star of the Hero) visited his Jewish father in a concentration camp. And the SS officer there told him that he would have burned in his furnace if it were not for the reward on his uniform. So it happened.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 25 August 2013 14: 35
        +2
        And Milch? As there Goering said: "I myself decide who is a Jew in my headquarters ..." Something like this
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 25 August 2013 15: 33
      +1
      Quote: serge
      Not everything is as simple as it seems. It depends on which Jews the Nazis "did not treat very much." Jew is a Jew.


      The term "mishlinge" in the Reich called people born from mixed marriages of Aryans with non-Aryans. The racial laws of 1935 distinguished between "mishlinge" of the first degree (one of the parents is Jewish) and the second degree (grandmother or grandfather is Jewish). Despite the legal "spoilage" of people with Jewish genes and despite the noisy propaganda, tens of thousands of "mishlinges" lived peacefully under the Nazis. They were usually recruited into the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine, becoming not only soldiers, but also part of the generals at the level of commanders of regiments, divisions and armies.
      Hundreds of "mishlinge" were awarded for bravery Iron Crosses. Twenty soldiers and officers of Jewish origin were awarded the highest military award of the Third Reich - Knight's Cross. However, many veterans of the Wehrmacht complained that the authorities were reluctant to submit to orders and were promoted to rank, bearing in mind their Jewish ancestors.
      For a long time, the Nazi press put a photo of a blue-eyed blond in a helmet.
      The picture read: "The ideal German soldier." This Aryan ideal was the Wehrmacht fighter Werner Goldberg (with a Jewish dad).
  • Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 24 August 2013 17: 41
    +3
    ..... guys, it's all bullshit. Today I went to the "Khvilya" so there we were conquered and built the Great Ukraine from Slovakia to Irtysh in 10 years! All of us will be retrained for MOV, only the Tatars will be left alone, since the Tatars turn out to be a "kindred" nomadic people, and in general "Velikoukry" we have relatives to the Kypchaks, and you and I are not brothers to them, so this is how we all fate, or to become normal "Great Ukrainians" or drang nah crematorium, something like that. And no matter how many did not meet our even the most rabid nationalists, no one offered to conquer Ukraine or force Ukrainians to become Russians to forget their language, culture, and there specific guys are sitting, already building the "New Ukrainian Order" "!!! brothers ...
  • Essenger
    Essenger 24 August 2013 18: 11
    +2
    Ukrainians happy Independence Day!
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 18
      +7
      Quote: Essenger
      Ukrainians happy Independence Day!

      Thank you of course ... But it would be better if we celebrated USSR Day (well, or something like this ... without the Baltic states, but a powerful country ... and not just schA ()
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 24 August 2013 20: 33
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        But it’s better that we celebrate the USSR Day

        Well, excuse me, let’s then without Kazakhstan and the Baltic states. I do not want in the USSR.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 24 August 2013 20: 53
      +2
      Independence from whom?
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 24 August 2013 23: 43
        -5
        Quote: Den 11
        Independence from whom?

        From Moscow and the Red Empire
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 24 August 2013 23: 58
          +4
          Quote: Essenger
          From Moscow and the Red Empire

          The collapse of the USSR clearly showed who was "feeding" whom, who was pulling who up and developing.
        2. Allegedly
          Allegedly 25 August 2013 15: 10
          +3
          Quote: Essenger
          From Moscow and the Red Empire


          1st place.


          Ukraine ranks first in Europe in the number of suicides.
          Ukraine ranks first among the countries of Southeast Europe in terms of the number of victims of human trafficking.
          Ukraine ranks 1st in Europe and 6th in the world in terms of the spread of the HIV / AIDS epidemic.
          Ukraine ranks first in Europe in terms of the number of abortions.
          Ukraine ranks first in the world in nuclear waste, counting on one resident.
          Ukraine ranks first in the world in terms of child alcoholism (WHO data).
          Ukraine ranks first in Europe in the number of male smokers.
          Ukraine takes 1st place among the CIS countries in the number of women smokers.
          Ukraine ranks 1st in Europe in terms of HIV prevalence among pregnant women. In 2010, this indicator was 0,55% (Ministry of Health of Ukraine, 2010).
          Ukraine ranks 1st in Europe and Central Asia in the spread of HIV among adults. The annual HIV incidence rates in Ukraine more than doubled from 2001 to 2010.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 25 August 2013 16: 52
            -1
            Quote: JACOB
            1st place.

            In another thread, you voiced the same list regarding Russia. a liar, a fascist in one word, Goebbels is your idol.
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 25 August 2013 18: 04
              0
              Do not wishful thinking laughing .
      2. Allegedly
        Allegedly 25 August 2013 14: 35
        +2
        Quote: Den 11
        Independence from whom?


        Independence and freedom from general literacy, from free education, from free housing, free medicine, from quality food, etc.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 25 August 2013 14: 46
          +1
          How can they explain it to you?
  • Druid
    Druid 24 August 2013 18: 15
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    You are leaving out one. If this "artist" is caught in Russia, then here he will be brought to justice, if not to criminal, then to administrative responsibility.
    Hmm, you have words, I also glued girls when I was young and sang like a nightingale, but in fact I just wanted to fuck, God forgive me ... :) The words about administration are good, but what is it? In fact, swastikas throughout the residential microdistrict. In fact, the minuses from the "artists" henchmen.
    For one expression "Ukrainian fascism" in my opinion there is an article ... And where is it? How many messages in this thread alone undeservedly insulted, humiliated the ENTIRE Ukrainian people, and where is the punishment? ... So, with all due respect as an interlocutor, don't blah blah ...
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 24 August 2013 22: 14
      +3
      first monuments ....... and then God willing, we get to the brain. The main thing is not to let them infect, but this is difficult ... And in an hour they use all the events for propaganda.
      I am writing this to you as a "liquid man" (like any citizen of Odessa) in the opinion of their minions.
      You do not forget that their goal is not Russia, their goal is we ... Russian-speaking Ukrainians.
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  • crambol
    crambol 24 August 2013 20: 40
    +4
    I would like to know the opinion of Mrs. Merkel about this picture.
  • brutal true
    brutal true 24 August 2013 21: 52
    0
    It seems to me that any kind of integration cannot be discussed with this country. And the people there also rotted.