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What I see Russia, ready for war (continued)

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What I see Russia, ready for war (continued)



Part of 2. Rear Front - older brother

Before we proceed to the promised continuation, traditionally a few words about the discussion of the first part. I will consider what seemed to me interesting reviews.

Well, of course, thanks to everyone who supported (no matter, in whole or in part). Insanely glad that the defenders of OUR GREAT MOTHERLAND are not yet extinct! Now about the reproaches.

I want to give a couple of lines to Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, since one of the readers too unflatteringly responded to my intention to call St. Petersburg exclusively LENINGRAD. The fact that Lenin took the money from the German General Staff has yet to be proved (more precisely, it is not necessary, that way we will get bogged down in letter-writing). Let's say this, if you carefully read what you can find on this topic, you will understand - all the evidence is indirect! Okay, let's take, and what? - I ordered something not to please the Germans. About the collapse of the front, the Bolsheviks do not even want to hear !!! - He was without them by 1917 (when Lenin was still in Switzerland) had long been ruined. And then continuing the war would mean death for Russia. As for the Brest Peace, Lenin, it seems to me, had long known about the upcoming revolution in Germany and understood that such a world could soon be broken, which was successfully done on November 13 of the 1918 year. Very far-sighted decision, I think. Well, 15 made peace in March, and already 13 in November, the text of the agreement was thrown into the oven, wasn’t the salvation of the country worth a little more than six months of patience ?!

The second. Do not be Lenin, do not be October-Russia would remain LAPOTNAYA !!! Yes, a truly strong, industrial and educated Russia-USSR became under Stalin, but Lenin started it. Who knows, stay alive, maybe even softer all the further passed. Anticipating the cries that Lenin, they say - the envoy of Kagal, I say, is nonsense !!! Jewish blood in it - ¼, and that - from the maternal side, and according to the father Russian, Ulyanov, according to our Russian traditions, the father gives the child a surname and nationality. Finally, the third. The name Leningrad is not only the memory of Lenin, but also the memory of a city that survived the blockade, survived and won! By the way, my second grandfather (on the maternal line) survived the blockade among the inhabitants of this heroic city. The last about Leningrad. Is it the case that the second largest city in the country is called in German. And about the bastard-Peter, I promise to write to you, so that the eyes and ears are washed.

Someone else wrote, they say, “we went through all this and what was the use of it?” - What is the point ?! - A free education - no sense ?! And free apartments, medical care - no sense ?! And the fact that, I repeat, the country from the lapotno-carting for the FUNNY 11-12 years has become a POWERFUL industrial - also not a good thing, do you think ?! Why the war started so badly and why everything began to fall apart in 80 of the last century - a separate question, I will say straight away, and requires, again, a separate article. And do not cry about how "life was good in Russia" before the revolution and about the genius creator of Stolypin's "tie", and even more so about the noble "Romanovs" (here, unlike Lenin, Russian blood was small-small, 1 / 32-th counted in the bloody Nikolashka-rags). Those who wrote this way, either blind, or use this 90's ravings for an excuse to cover the truth to ordinary people! Like this.
Sorry for such a long introduction. We continue ...

Industry!

Exactly so, with an exclamation mark, for it and only it can be the locomotive of a great power. In addition, we must not forget that in the event of war, the victory in the rear "forges".

Today the schoolboy knows that in the industry everything is very bad. For real (and then, in violation of safety) only the mining industry works. A sign of a strong economy is the emphasis on READY goods, i.e. production of a full cycle should be at home, and abroad to drive its products.

Sorry for such common truths, but here you can’t explain otherwise. And now let's think together about what kind of industry Russia needs, first of all, to rise to its feet, and maybe create it from scratch?

As always, all ingenious is simple! The rule at the kindergarten level: do what works well. And the second rule: if you want to sell for sure, produce something that no one else has thought of. And what are we doing well? - Right, weapon! Moreover, from time immemorial. By the way, here I will return to the first part of my article. I forgot one more important source of initial funds to indicate. Why not try our country to sell ALL obsolete weapons, which our army certainly will not use? - They may not buy expensive, but most importantly - they will buy! Is it better that all this good rot and rust further. I am deeply convinced that having sold everything to Africa Tanks T-64, MiG and Su of old models, the same Mi-8, perhaps some Mi-24, we can build a new plant, or even build a city near it. The military industry is the traditional nurse of Russia! And do not care about all international restrictions! As much as we want, we sell as much. There is only one caution - the possible remoteness of the buyer from our borders (I hope that military people do not need to explain why).

However, alas, it is already obvious that you will not be full with one weapon. Although ... Who knows, if the money ceases to settle in the pockets of 0,5% of the population of Russia, maybe such a statement would be wrong. And, nevertheless, a highly specialized economy is not the best way for a country to exist, because it carries certain threats. Well, let's think about what else Russia can produce in order not to turn into a “republic of lead-steel bananas”.

Let me take a little dip in the recent history. All of you, of course, know the jeep-all-terrain vehicle Geländewagen, Daimler-Benz auto concern, on which 5 years ago (now - to a lesser extent) so loved to drive the rich. There was a time when this bold experience of the concern made the whole enterprise hang in the balance - no one wanted to buy cars because of their high prices, even the Bundeswehr, the “native” for the Germans. And then, by the way, the Iranian Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi appeared, ordering 20 for thousands of these beautiful cars for his guard. True, the Shah then overthrew the Islamic Revolution, and he lived out his life in the United States, and the cars produced under the contract were not all bought out - the Islamists simply broke the contract. But! With his order, the shah literally saved the concern.

Why am I doing this? - And the fact that our so simple and inconspicuous "UAZ" in cross is NOT WORSE than Geländewagen! Of course, the durability and comfort of the cabin, to put it mildly, are inferior, so what prevents it from finalizing it ?! And who knows, you see, and there is a check on the Oise! And, considering that the prices for one and the other are simply not comparable, then, other things being equal, it is clear who will be given preference.

Do you know anything about Vitaly Zadorozhny from Dnepropetrovsk or Viktor Filonenko from Donetsk? - I report to you that these are people (note, pensioners) at home from the trash, in the truest sense of the word, who have assembled supercars! Why the hell are they still not invited to the positions of designers to revive the Russian car industry from once, since their hands and mind are not in demand in Ukraine ?! Why are we so inattentive to craftsmen ?! Yes, do not care if they do not have higher education (remember the same Kalashnikov, who assembled an unsurpassed machine gun without any university education).

Unfortunately, I don’t remember and couldn’t find on the Internet the name of yet another truly great autoconstructor from Ukraine, who worked at ZAZ and also collected a jeep at home, doing such “freaks” that no “Hammer” or “Gelendwagen” ever dreamed of! - For a moment, imagine that such a person is invited to the same VAZ, appointed chief designer for the production of a new model, his cars are put on stream. Of course, for his consent for ONE DAY, they apply for Russian citizenship, bringing a passport home, give a chic apartment as a gift (just as a gift for all eternity and no taxes!) And salary, well, let's say, 500 000 rubles / month (for a start). What do you want? “But all this is such a small thing!” After all, with the first cars that left the assembly line, it’s not just the content of such a person that will pay off, but the whole AvtoVAZ! And we, you know, release the idiotic Lada Kalina !!! WHAT FOR...?

And we also have a wonderful SPM "Tiger", produced by GAZ. Why not make a civilian option for the same foreign rich? Why, in parallel with our armored personnel carriers, not to produce on their base cargo all-terrain vehicles for civilian needs (not individual samples, but continuous)?

I repeat, it is necessary to do what works well. And since we, the Russian people, can produce SUVs, they should be released. And to refuse from obviously not sold models. By the way, VAZ also had a good experience - “Niva”. What prevents to modify it, make it sturdier and more convenient? Here you have an SUV for people living from paycheck to paycheck. And in no case do you need to open assembly plants in Russia (specifically for assembly) cars of foreign brands. It is necessary to have a full production cycle, otherwise independence can be forgotten.

I brought the car industry just as another example. We have very good experience in aircraft manufacturing (including for civil aviation).
And not only aircraft ... But why not hold the annual All-Russian competition of craftsmen and inventors? When our land is so rich with gifted people, it is necessary to USE it! Who knows, all of a sudden, and whole industries will open, in which we were considered “weak”, but it turns out that they just didn’t want to do it properly. Well, for example, there is a weaver, owning the secrets of Russian flax.

We put on stream - we will oust even Chinese "clothes" from the market. There is, well, let's say, a builder from a god whose houses will stand for 100, 200, 300 for years. Imagine that the winner in each industry will receive a “start in life”, will become famous throughout the country, there will be a “new production” from scratch, his thoughts, his products will go down in history! By itself, with such a craft, such a person will provide himself, and children, and grandchildren. Here the state must really show incredible generosity !!!

But the true engine of the locomotive of our state is not intended to be everything listed above, but high technology and information technologies. The whole world has recognized that Russian hackers are the best, and we don’t use it BEFORE PORN, CRIMINALLY! Answer the question, what do you need to produce tanks, airplanes or cars? - Huge factories, and a bunch of related enterprises that will provide the main production of raw materials and means of production, right? Now tell me, what will it take to write a computer program that is unparalleled in the world? Such that both the windows (Microsoft Windows) and Unix together with Linux flew into oblivion, sending Bill Gates and the current owners of the brainchild of Steve Jobs to beg for change in the New York gateway ?! - ONE COMPUTER !!! Well, let 10 computers, if you need to work on the new software, not 1, but 10 high-class programmers at the same time. Is this a factory?! ..

That's the beauty of modernity, that one product (if it is truly ingenious) is capable of feeding even one-sixth sushi. Are there really no 10 genius programmers in Kulibin and Lomonosov’s homeland? Is our country not able to pay such people to begin with, say, 300 000 rubles / month (of course, on a normal 8-hour day, with all weekends and holidays) ?! When I shared my thoughts with friends, they told me that such creations have already been created, but they cannot conquer the market due to the “omnipotent” power of Microsoft and Apple. It is clear that they can not, because there is no support. And if there is, yes, not any, but in the face of a whole one sixth of all sushi ?!

Supposing, having released such software (which is very important, perceiving applications created for Microsoft and Apple, that is, our program will not have problems installing the same Skype or Office), Russia starts selling it to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. . There, consumers like everything, by “word of mouth” (good, enhanced by the Internet), these impressions are transmitted to users from Europe, and they already also want to switch from the “windows” to new software, which, among other things, is a mountain Much cheaper (so much so that you can safely buy a license, and not install the "pirated" version).

It is appropriate to recall about nano-technology, where Russian scientists are among the first. And again, if the proceeds from them go to replace the gold teeth in the mouth of the Turkmen Alabai Chubais - there will be no sense for the country ...

And about what in our country should be relevant to the person of work (no matter physical or mental), I will tell you next time.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 26 August 2013 08: 39 New
    +3
    I don’t even want to hear about the collapse of the front by the Bolsheviks !!! -

    As Trotsky said in Brest-Litovsk “not peace is not war, dissolve the army” and left, remember the consequences yourself ...
    1. OTTO
      OTTO 26 August 2013 08: 53 New
      31
      Quote: Civil
      no peace no war, dissolve the army

      By the time these words were spoken, the army was virtually nonexistent. But its collapse was begun not by the Bolsheviks, but by the interim government, having started democracy in the belligerent army.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 26 August 2013 09: 13 New
      -17
      Oh, a statistician about Judas Lenin. Minus the article and the author as a whole!
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 26 August 2013 11: 16 New
        -14
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Statistic about Judas Lenin. Minus the article and the author as a whole!

        I fully support! Lenin minus! and the article is also MINUS!
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 26 August 2013 14: 41 New
          -3
          This article has a place in the OPINION rubric, but no matter how in GEOPOLITICS. The author expresses his opinion which simply does not merge with reality, and the author for the most part is simply a demagogue, trying to play on patriotic feelings, but at the same time, as they say, it pours water ... no, it pours a lot of water.
          It’s like in that joke: if the exam has nothing to say INVITE just add water.
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 26 August 2013 16: 09 New
          -9
          Quote: Natalia
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Statistic about Judas Lenin. Minus the article and the author as a whole!

          I fully support! Lenin minus! and the article is also MINUS!



          What is characteristic are the individual personalities who are minus for having their own opinions.

          The second one. If it weren’t for Lenin, if it hadn’t been for October, Russia would have remained LAPOTH !!!


          After that I stopped reading. Unfortunately, I can’t use my entire vocabulary completely, so I will explain briefly why minus the article, Lenin and the revolution.

          Before the Bolshevik coup, perfect on order and with German money, my surname belonged to the princely family and had lands approximately from the Oryol province. Now the family has several branches, most of them are emigrant. Two, only two branches live in the Russian Federation and do not differ in special wealth as well as in multiplicity. A little and these were not shot, the war prevented. If these pascuds (Lenin and the Bolsheviks) weren’t, I would study in Sarbon, but would live in a family house of 6 hectares. Therefore, to burn the author along with idols in hell, the longer the better.
          1. ramsi
            ramsi 26 August 2013 17: 00 New
            +7
            [quote = Geisenberg] [quote = Nataliya] [quote = Alexander Romanov] statistician about Judas Lenin. Minus the article and the author as a whole! [/ Quote]

            [quote] The second. If it weren’t for Lenin, if it hadn’t been for October, Russia would have remained LAPOTH !!! [/ quote]

            After that I stopped reading. Unfortunately, I can’t use my entire vocabulary completely, so I will explain briefly why minus the article, Lenin and the revolution.

            Before the Bolshevik coup, perfect on order and with German money, my surname belonged to the princely family and had lands approximately from the Oryol province. Now the family has several branches, most of them are emigrant. Two, only two branches live in the Russian Federation and do not differ in special wealth as well as in multiplicity. A little and these were not shot, the war prevented. If these pascuds (Lenin and the Bolsheviks) weren’t, I would study in Sarbon, but would live in a family house of 6 hectares. Therefore, to burn the author along with idols in hell, the longer the better. [/ Quote]
            so the whole thing is in the princely clan and the lands of the Oryol province ?! Ah, yes - still the Sorbonne by. I immediately remember the biblical about "those who have come out of us, but not ours"
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 26 August 2013 18: 23 New
              -13
              Quote: ramsi
              I immediately remember the biblical about "those who have come out of us, but not ours"


              Only excrement comes out of you. The fact is that if you weren’t for us, but why did it suddenly seem to you that you need to destroy everything and kill everyone ...
              1. ramsi
                ramsi 26 August 2013 18: 32 New
                +2
                would you like to say that it was you who posted all the women in your estate? ..
              2. stranik72
                stranik72 26 August 2013 21: 03 New
                +3
                Vyaknu, and of you traitors Vlasov and Gorbachev, etc.
          2. stranik72
            stranik72 26 August 2013 21: 01 New
            +4
            "In February 1917, during the most difficult World War in Russia, a coup d'etat took place. Emperor Nicholas II, Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Empire, was ousted from the throne and arrested. The monarchy in Russia was illegally abolished. The coup was led by foreign forces of the Entente, representatives of the ruling circles of Russia’s allies in World War II, who relied on the Russian Duma opposition, which, in turn, used the majority of the top generals for the coup. Suffice it to say that of the five main organizers and leaders of the “white cause” (Alekseeva, Kornilova (Kolchak, Denikin and Wrangel), only Wrangel was not involved in the overthrow of Emperor Nicholas II. The rest, to one degree or another, were either among the direct organizers of the coup, or were aware of him and sympathized with him. " A quote to remind you, by the way, the interim government received 10 million DM from Germany for withdrawing from the war. This is also a historical fact. So the country was not destroyed by the Bolsheviks, but by those Paskuds who thought only of the Sarbon and Paris, and in fact they hated Russia, so you should not be proud of your last name, Judas worship yourself more.
            1. Uhe
              Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 15 New
              +5
              Your closest relatives, led by his uncle Nikolai Nikolayevich, persuaded your tsar Nikolashka to abdicate;) They persuaded him because this “shit-commander” brought the front to failure and the country to collapse. Well, the other heirs proudly refused the right to the throne, apparently, no one wanted to take responsibility, because it’s easier to live the prince on everything ready than to think with his head and plow, bearing responsibility to the people - and the people have already raised their heads and began to ask with authorities.

              What does Lenin have to do with it? Sin on the German Courland litter of the Romanovs - they left Russia, they betrayed the royal crown, on which they were crowned.

              Well, then the Provisional Government seized power, although such an education was not provided. It was the Provisional Government that finished off the army, started the distribution of sovereignty to the principalities. They were prevented by the Soviets, most of which were headed by the Bolsheviks on an elected basis and decided to terminate the powers of the usurpers, that is, the Provisional Government, at the congress. Read the materials of those times, and not the sermons of priests and monarchists;)

              Everything is legal, gentlemen. In fact, there was no October Revolution;) Just the Soviets put an end to dual power, one branch of which was illegal and led the country to collapse. There were two coups: one internal in the tsar's family (funny, but the last Romanova was Anna Ioannovna, and the subsequent ones were just supernumerary Germans, non-Russians), and the other was liberal. By the way, the current regime is the ardent successors of the work of the Provisional Government with the addition of the ideas of German Nazis. You can read and familiarize yourself. The main thing is to learn to think with your head, not your ass;)
          3. Mohomax
            Mohomax 27 August 2013 01: 33 New
            +2
            Sorry for the offtop. You would not have been accepted into sorbonne. IQ is too small. If you think that Lenin is Judas, then go kill your head against the wall. Yes, the path was thorny, but without breaking the eggs you will not make fried eggs. The author is right in many ways, he is a patriot. He writes about the problems that you suffer from. Spit on the state. It itself suffers from humiliation from Europe and America, and besides, such, we cannot help but sigh, fart without a signed contract
      2. vjhbc
        vjhbc 26 August 2013 23: 13 New
        +2
        somebody read an article further than Lenin who puts a minus so it seemed to me that the article is about something else
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh, a statistician about Judas Lenin. Minus the article and the author as a whole!
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 27 August 2013 00: 36 New
          +1
          The article was even mastered :-))))
          The discussion about salaries is amusing :-)))) apparently the person himself dreams of such. As a person quite closely associated with the auto industry - a salary of 500000 rubles for the Chief Designer seems to be completely nothing :-))) considering that any GK at Russian car factories receives bonuses, and the approval of suppliers' suppliers is far from free, and the orders and design are placed on the side is a bonanza, oh 500000 is not money at all. Million 2-3 a month - yes, maybe more.
          About programmers delivered :-)))
          The author is a young ignoramus, I would read something about the economy, competition, the economy of the enterprise or something. Since you dream of something in this reality, and not an alternative :-))))))

          Still amused how many admirers of Lenin are here :-)))))) (judging by the minuses to those who resented them)
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 27 August 2013 03: 29 New
            +2
            Admirers are not admirers, let’s leave his ashes alone. The story, as you draw it wherever you turn, turned out there. I was taught to honor Lenin, and many on this site too. Now it’s fashionable to water him and Stalin. I don’t want to idealize him, as well as guessing on the coffee grounds: - ,, And what would happen if it were not for the revolution of 1917? "If my grandmother had x .. she would be a grandfather. This is our story, and let's honor it for what it is. ..To avoid, as in the film, “Baron Munchausen.” And Peter for me, too, will remain Leningrad ... in my soul ...
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 August 2013 09: 31 New
      11
      Quote: Author Vladimir Glybin
      our so simple and unprepossessing UAZ on patency is NOT WORSE than Geländewagen


      Also me a Newton binom. UAZ is the king of impassability, he is much worse. An amateur video capturing the real disgrace of a German off-road miracle - Mercedes Gelendvagen, stuck on the Russian road, where the domestic UAZ drove without any problems [media = http //: www.race- masters.ru/2012/03/uaz-vs-gelandewagen.html]
      1. horoh
        horoh 26 August 2013 10: 23 New
        12
        I completely agree. I have been driving a NIVA for a long time and I’m not going to change it. Recently I went for a drive, cornfields, UAZs, Toyota, etc. he was also a helik, but then he was taken away on a tow truck. I’m for this — our technology is better, especially since there are two records in the fields that no one has yet overcome. And it’s easier to modify our technique for certain tasks !!!! It is a pity that the quality of spare parts is not very good.
        1. Gari
          Gari 26 August 2013 11: 39 New
          +4
          Quote: horoh
          . Recently, riding, cornfields, UAZ, Toyota, etc. he was also helik, but then he was taken away on a tow truck

          I myself saw how the driver, Toyota land cruiser, wanted to show off climbed into the snow, and there it buried itself, they pulled out our, Niva, and cursed his off-road vehicle,
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 27 August 2013 00: 29 New
            +2
            So Kruzak with a weight of 3,5 tons pushed Niva? Oh well:-)))
          2. postman
            postman 27 August 2013 19: 56 New
            0
            Quote: Gari
            oyota land cruiser ,, wanted to show off climbed into the snow, and there it buried itself, pulled out our, Niva,

            Tales ... bullshit, if only like this:

            (do not start - the battery has sat down, on the track)
            YES AND THAT VISITS TOWS EVEN ON ROLLING WITHOUT RESISTANCE

            Or like this:

            Only NECESSARY TO VIEW RUBBER (kurzak and UAZ)
            as well as what version of LC
            and in the snow even a rattle 150 won't get stuck
      2. sleepy
        sleepy 26 August 2013 15: 00 New
        0
        Quote: Author Vladimir Glybin
        "our so simple and unprepossessing UAZ" on patency is NOT WORSE than Geländewagen "


        Here's more about GAZ 69 from the Internet.



        Until now, the best SUV, although produced half a century ago.
        1. Pancho
          Pancho 26 August 2013 21: 14 New
          +2
          In the past I was a happy owner of an UAZ, I honestly say that, for example, with a Nissan patrol or for example the Land Rover Difender, he can’t compete with him. I consider myself a patriot and I don’t have a habit of crying out everything, but the truth, as they say, is more expensive. or tried unsuccessfully to drive where these cars drove playfully. And I was not the only one who watched them with surprised looks.
          1. cdrt
            cdrt 27 August 2013 00: 43 New
            +1
            Ndaa, as the former owner of the UAZ, then Kuzak, Difender, I confirm that, compared to the Land Cruiser, the 105 UAZ is not a car at all. The rogue may not be bad, but the goat oh, he was nicknamed him for good reason. Goat is not childish, and it’s not at all comfortable to ride it.
            Ideal - Kruzak 105. The locks of everything and everything, inside - just sat down and feel - at home :-))))
            So ... Admirers of the domestic auto industry (by the way he is connected with it) - either specify (for example, our cars are the best - because the cheapest or UAZ is the best, because the rogue and cheap), or just work better to buy a NEW good what car do you want :-))))))
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 27 August 2013 00: 51 New
              +1
              If we get up an hour earlier and go to bed an hour later, we can make money on Lexus.
            2. Pancho
              Pancho 27 August 2013 18: 30 New
              0
              Quote: cdrt
              or just work better to buy the NEW good car you want:

              Well, it's you in vain.
      3. postman
        postman 26 August 2013 16: 48 New
        +1
        Gelen is more convenient to me, and there is no elm on it anywhere, although this is 463, and not an analogue of UAZ 461.

        It’s a pity there is no video (it wasn’t then) when our pocket (drive) falls off at the UAZ at 85 km / h in Murmansk.
        NU is very impressive.
        Teles still remember
    4. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 26 August 2013 11: 33 New
      +1
      "Second. If there hadn’t been Lenin, hadn’t been October — Russia would have remained LAPOTH !!!" - this is just nonsense, the rest of the article is debatable, but about bastard Russia, do not be Lenin - you are too much.
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      2. zart_arn
        zart_arn 26 August 2013 12: 11 New
        -14
        Lenin just plunged Russia into the ruins of the civil war, forked out a huge indemnity of Germany (“not a world is not a war, to disband an army” was the right decision at that time), forced a significant part of the intellectual potential to leave their homeland, and finally he is a murderer (okay - the king, for the royal children he has no forgiveness, Herod.)
        1. Uhe
          Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 24 New
          +2
          Nonsense. The Civil War went on for several months in 1918, and then the Intervention began - that is, with a capital letter, this period in our history is called. Who called the Entente and the Japs to Russian soil? And White called. And they helped to slaughter the Russian people to these invaders. Here, children were cut in batches. It is good that the people quickly realized that it was the Red Army that was the defender of the Russian land, understood and sided with it. Just in time for the question of intellectual potential: half of the general staff sided with the Bolsheviks, the entire fleet headquarters sided with the Bolsheviks, most of the owners of the plants became directors of these plants, and the scientists remained scientists. By the way, this was Lenin's proposal;) Do you know Brusilov? It was he who created the entire system of military schools of the USSR;)

          About the infanticide in general, bullshit. It was precisely the Bolsheviks who were profitable to judge the tsar for his deeds. And it was acc. decree of the supreme authority. Local authorities blinked at the Romanov citizens. Or is Lenin responsible for the affairs of all, including the stokers? ;)

          You liars. The worst thing is that you don’t want to study history, work together for the future, despite the disagreement in views, you don’t want to, but just bark from under the beds.
          1. zart_arn
            zart_arn 27 August 2013 00: 07 New
            +1
            Local authorities would not agree to such a murder. Hold-hold and suddenly decided? By the way, Ulyanov also introduced terrorism on a state scale - remember the hostages? "I know that your family is in a bottle but you are not a boy, but you are an officer." I do not condone the white movement, there is also a lot of popular blood on their conscience, but the fact remains that the Bolshevik infection caused great suffering to the people. You are in vain about the story, I know it quite well. I work for the future really - my whole active life, and this is almost 25 years - in industry. I don’t complain about life, I earn well. So just you bark, sorry for being rude.
  2. ramsi
    ramsi 26 August 2013 08: 39 New
    12
    in the Soviets there was a correct orientation to the entire spectrum of industrial products and, accordingly, full autonomy. After all, money is paper, and economics is not science, but a game.
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 27 August 2013 00: 53 New
      0
      Hmm ... targeting the full range of industrial products ...
      Authorship - it seems like a conscious elimination of oneself from using the benefits of world trade. Therefore, such modes will always be economically losing.
      Well, it will always be cheaper to tangerines in Morocco, and textiles will be cheaper from Vietnam (for five of us work there for one salary of our worker).
      Well, if we have 30 million of the able-bodied population, why use it with textiles, where the added value per worker is conditionally 10000 rubles per month, if the country has the opportunity to produce machinery and equipment, where the added value per one is 100000 rubles.
      Well, programmers - the author, read how the IT sphere is organized in the IT countries that created it. What an infrastructure for the growth of ideas! And ventures, and the protection of entrepreneurs, and the simplicity of creating a business for your idea. Because We have all this with the prefix anti- therefore our talented programmers go there exactly. Well, what happens to ours - we study the history of P. Durov.
      And by the way, hackers are usually not creators, but destroyers. Accordingly, they are not able to create anything by nature - only to destroy.
      1. ramsi
        ramsi 27 August 2013 08: 23 New
        0
        just imagine that AvtoVAZ was closed ...- so tomorrow, and “China” will rise in price! This is the first. Secondly, if it doesn’t work well with a mass product, then this is no reason to abandon attempts to do better, at least in small series and more expensive. Believe me, such work is not in vain
  3. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 26 August 2013 08: 46 New
    15
    There is not enough one desire to get ahead of the whole world in advanced technologies; there are a lot of reasons that prevent this.
    However, I believe that the main reason lies in the deep-rooted thinking of the KREMLIN ELITE.
    Indeed, recently HE HE HE Mr. SERDYUKOV was a model of the Minister of Defense civilian-manager stools am horseradish.
    We must always be one step ahead of events - can anyone name people capable of this from those who are now leading our state (except for PUTIN) - THERE ARE NO SUCH.
  4. Cormorants
    Cormorants 26 August 2013 08: 47 New
    -23
    Lenin is a traitor.
    1. OTTO
      OTTO 26 August 2013 08: 54 New
      +4
      Quote: Cormorants
      Lenin the traitor

      Justify who and when he betrayed.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 26 August 2013 09: 15 New
        -13
        Quote: OTTO

        Justify who and when he betrayed.

        And there is nothing to justify!
        1. dmb
          dmb 26 August 2013 10: 42 New
          +8
          Agree, not an argument. Commentary in the style: "Putin swell, Zyuganov-kaka." Maybe there is a typo in it: there is nothing “nothing”, but “nothing” to substantiate. Then it turns out quite logical.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 26 August 2013 11: 06 New
            -7
            Quote: dmb
            Agree, not an argument

            Yes, this is the first article about Lenin. I’m already tired of giving the facts here, but the minuses in return. But, here I understand, though it hurts my eyes, I have nothing to say in return, I put a minus.
            He expressed his opinion 100 times, tired of repeating himself, and it is a pity to spend time on such a trash as Lenin.
            1. yurii p
              yurii p 26 August 2013 12: 31 New
              10
              Lenin "trash", in your words, and Yeltsin is the hero of Russia? I can’t judge about Lenin, there is too little objective information, but these two figures, unambiguously, determined the development of Russia, I can’t say about Lenin for what purpose he made the revolution, too little I’ve lived about Yeltsin, we can confidently say that the motive was ordinary self-interest and love of power plus a primitive person, and this is what we are witnessing now.
              1. Uhe
                Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 28 New
                0
                The objective information is just the sea. It’s just that it’s hard for many to understand in such a sea - people have forgotten how to learn, systematize and analyze. Believers are a diagnosis;)
            2. Rezun
              Rezun 26 August 2013 19: 51 New
              +3
              I would like to recall an obvious fact - Piskaryovka is buried LENINGRADS!!!
              And about the "trash" -keep emotions under control.
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 27 August 2013 00: 56 New
            0
            Well, as a justification - what is the name of the person who, considering the current regime is criminal, will take money from Chechen bandits to organize a coup ????
            That's right - a traitor, and will be dealt with as a traitor to the FSB.

            And in the situation with VIL and the German General Staff, show 10 differences ???? :-)))
      2. Kostjan
        Kostjan 26 August 2013 10: 18 New
        15
        Traitor gorbachev
        1. beech
          beech 26 August 2013 11: 06 New
          +6
          and fight drunk
      3. raptor1975
        raptor1975 26 August 2013 11: 16 New
        +7
        Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Berezovsky, Chubais, Serdyukov - these are real traitors.
        1. beech
          beech 26 August 2013 22: 22 New
          0
          these comrades still have to answer for the betrayal of our army in Chechnya, for cutting the riches of the USSR ... for numerous thefts and scams ... it’s easier to put Budanov and make him a bastard ...
      4. Poppy
        Poppy 26 August 2013 13: 42 New
        +1
        who knows: betrayed the Germans, took the money, and threw themselves
      5. postman
        postman 26 August 2013 16: 55 New
        +3
        What is there to justify?
        Read Lenin. Everything is.
        "a little, you need to shoot another 10000" (I simplify and do not quote verbatim)
        First he ate his class (estate)
        Then all the Russian people!
        "peace to the soldiers"
        "Factory workers"
        "Land to the peasants"

        Yashka Sverdlov the same 3,14door (bruliki, gold, currency, passports of foreign cities)

        And read their application for the issuance of vacation pay. Go crazy.
        And rightly, Stalin reset the whole shobla. Then he has respect for this
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 01 New
          +1
          And read their application for the issuance of vacation pay. Go crazy.
          And rightly, Stalin reset the whole shobla. Then he has respect for this



          Here is +100500 !!!!
          The Bolsheviks themselves, as they came to power, were not in poverty at all.
          Well, the IVS-well done that cleared out all the old Bolsheviks. I did a lot of bad things, but for the annihilation of the revolutionaries, many historical thanks!
          In France, the revolution ended with Napoleon - a military genius, we get an IVS - administrative
    2. Natalia
      Natalia 26 August 2013 11: 21 New
      -22
      Quote: Cormorants
      Lenin is a traitor.

      Lenin is not just a traitor, he is a spy who spent his money ruining our state and discarding it in development. Lenin is a bastard
      1. dmb
        dmb 26 August 2013 12: 19 New
        10
        Natasha, you’re living in Ancient Rus itself, and you haven’t learned the Russian language. I don’t even speak about history. Even if you get today's secondary education, this will help you avoid fair ridicule.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 26 August 2013 13: 54 New
          -17
          Quote: dmb
          Natasha, you’re living in Ancient Rus itself, and you haven’t learned the Russian language. I don’t even speak about history. Even if you get today's secondary education, this will help you avoid fair ridicule.

          Ohhh well this is probably for Lenin’s tear lol And why did you decide that I should be bothered by the far-fetched opinions of young impotent people laughing Walk Dimochka, I’m not holding up anymore)))
          1. AleksUkr
            AleksUkr 26 August 2013 18: 13 New
            +8
            I will not minus it, I do not consider it a worthy adversary in our dispute. It may have a different attitude to our past. But spitting on the dead, delving into the grave of your compatriots is LOW. Moreover, you will never reach its level. Do you focus too much on impotence? Itchy? Accept my sympathy! But someone else’s opinion needs to be respected! Our misfortune is chastity. A person does not know the essence of the issue - but immediately goes on to insult. If you really are a woman - stop on time ... Good luck in life! And a good man - not impotent.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 26 August 2013 18: 24 New
              -6
              The girl expressed her position and is ready to defend it! For this, she is only “+”! There are not so many beautiful halves in this forum! Be gentle, gentlemen
              1. dmb
                dmb 26 August 2013 20: 16 New
                +3
                Do you think that primitive areal abuse at the level of a beer point is a position? As for condescension, it is possible when discussing Pugacheva’s new marriage, Putin’s divorce from his wife, or evaluating Kirkorov’s costume. It is unlikely that you will show indulgence in evaluating Pusek, or the like of girls who danced on the monuments to those killed in the war. Judging by the lexicon of the members of the forum, it differs little from them. She does not substantiate her statements with anything.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 26 August 2013 22: 03 New
                  -10
                  Quote: dmb
                  Do you think that primitive areal abuse at the level of a beer point is a position? As for condescension, it is possible when discussing Pugacheva’s new marriage, Putin’s divorce from his wife, or evaluating Kirkorov’s costume. It is unlikely that you will show indulgence in evaluating Pusek, or the like of girls who danced on the monuments to those killed in the war. Judging by the lexicon of the members of the forum, it differs little from them. She does not substantiate her statements with anything.

                  Well, where am I going to you, to the peacock with bloated conceit in the ass of Lenin kissing, which you will be proud of all your life ...
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              1. Day 11
                Day 11 26 August 2013 19: 06 New
                +5
                Fu, Natasha, how uncivilized!
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 26 August 2013 19: 26 New
                  -9
                  Quote: Den 11
                  Fu, Natasha, how uncivilized!

                  It's okay, for this I’m even ready for a second warning, because he said something about "itching" and what about a man ... also not very culturally, disguised, but not culturally ... and such words fell into any I do not intend to lower. I didn’t pull him by the tongue.
                  1. sleepy
                    sleepy 27 August 2013 01: 50 New
                    0
                    Lenin - Stalin
                    Lenin - Stalin

                    How is Trotsky forgotten about him?

                    "He emphasized the need for sacrifices for the sake of the world revolution,
                    for the sake of creating the United States of the World (stenographers recorded every word, typists typed in triplicate - one for the archive, for the story). The untrained peasants were pushed into battle against the same peasants, and behind the Latvians arranged detachments with machine guns.
                    Many, dropping weapons, fled before the battles.
                    Then from their villages were taken hostages and placed in concentration camps.
                    After a certain time they were shot.
                    Concentration Camp - the brainchild of Trotsky.
                    In hastily shelved shelves that did not fulfill the task, one out of ten was pulled out of action and also shot. The destruction of the Russians was put on stream. One can imagine what would happen to the country if Trotsky and his team were at the top of power.

                    Trotsky loved to live in a big way. His mobile fortress, called the Train of the Pre-Military Council, went down in history.
                    Later, Lev Davidovich himself wrote about the “train”, omitting shocking details.
                    The main content of the “train” was a detachment of thousands of punitive fighters in black leather jackets with Mausers and machine guns.
                    The basic structure of punishers is Latvians.
                    They were well paid
                    . The commanding officers of Peterson and Ciccolini were equated with the division commanders, the commandants - with the regiment commanders, the soldiers also received at the level of military commanders.
                    Typhoid and hunger walked in the country, from the "train", but from the punishers it was full.

                    Trotsky believed that Lenin took his place.
                    After the shot, Fanny Kaplan, dropping things, Lev Davidovich immediately rushed to Moscow with the intention of leading the country in the event of the death of the leader. This and the hasty liquidation of Fanny Kaplan, who hid the ends in the water, aroused suspicion of Trotsky's assistants being involved in the assassination attempt. Lenin, and with him the other members of "his guard," began to seriously fear the "New Napoleon." They grumbled, but that shustrik had already been seized. "
                    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.pravnabat.ru/sto
                    ry / sovremennye-demokraty-prodolzhateli-dela-trotskogo% 20
                    1. sleepy
                      sleepy 27 August 2013 01: 55 New
                      0
                      We must not forget Lev Davydovich - this is our story.

                      NEP authorized the private production and sale of alcohol. Up to ten percent of peasant farms switched to super profitable business. Up to 100 million pounds of bread were transferred to the production of alcoholic potions per year. Russia was immersed in a drunken state.
                      Casinos opened in Moscow, prostitutes roamed in packs.
                      In restaurants, Nepmans walked with officials.
                      Corruption began to gain momentum. The courts heard the same cases: bribes, bribes, bribes.
                      Without a bribe, it was impossible to rent land, a factory, or a store.

                      Trotsky all the time insisted on luring foreigners to Russia: civilization, money. Even he undertook to lead the Main Concession Committee. At the request of the concessionaires, they were allocated millions of hectares of forest for deforestation.
                      (one “Japan Forest Syndicate” received 1 hectares in the Amur, Okhotsk and Ust-Kamchatsk regions)
                      and the best mineral deposits.
                      123 companies from the USA, England, Germany, France settled in Russia.

                      There were terrible rumors in Russia about the concentration camps in the north of the European part of the country, created by the Americans, British and French.
                      These gentlemen climbed into our country without demand and began to establish fascist orders.
                      52 thousand people were placed in the camps to harvest and send forests to the West. They were forced to work from 5 a.m. to 11 a.m., giving each day 200 grams of biscuits, 175 grams of canned food, 42 grams of rice and 10 grams of salt.
                      The Mudyug concentration camp in the White Sea acquired the darkest fame, where “civilized employers” brought Russian people to death with hard labor and bullying
                      (the temperature in the huts was not higher than minus 8 degrees).
                      By 1920, about a hundred mass graves appeared in the Mudyug concentration camp.
                      From Primorye and Amur region, the Americans exported forest, furs, gold. They burned 25 villages and villages, and drove residents to work in a concentration camp. "
                      http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.pravnabat.ru/sto
                      ry / sovremennye-demokraty-prodolzhateli-dela-trotskogo% 20

                      And where was Stalin at that time?
                      And Lenin was gone.
                      1. dmb
                        dmb 27 August 2013 08: 29 New
                        +1
                        And you are funny. You are talking about the Mudyugsky concentration camp created by the White Guards of Miller and the Social Revolutionary Tchaikovsky in the 1920 year, and are wondering where Stalin was at that time. I will tell you a terrible secret, he was with those who fought against these White Guards and Socialist-Revolutionaries. I can tell you an even more terrible secret. Lenin at that time was there, and did not lead the country from the other world. But the funniest thing is that all the rebukers of the Bolsheviks derive the vast majority of their information from the "masterpieces" of Novodvorskaya, Svanidze and the like. The Bolsheviks, of course, were not “white and fluffy,” but what these “fighters” write about them strongly resembles the story of an “old woman living alone on a farm near the Mexican border about a famous Mexican bandit”.
                      2. sleepy
                        sleepy 27 August 2013 11: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: dmb
                        "And you're funny. You are talking about the Mudyugsky concentration camp created by the White Guards of Miller and the Social Revolutionary Tchaikovsky
                        in 1920 ... "


                        Thanks for the additional information.
                        I would like to know your assessment of the activities of L. Trotsky
                        after the death of V. Lenin.
                      3. dmb
                        dmb 27 August 2013 14: 20 New
                        0
                        But I don’t have a definite answer. (I foresee the malevolent cries of lovers, look for ...- Masons) And why after the death of Lenin? A politician, and he was one, needs to be evaluated in totality. Let us leave aside fantastic novels about Latvians dressed in black leather jackets (and from where on all Latvians, commissars and Chekists there were so many jackets if they were intended only for aviators and drivers, and in 17 they were with gulkin horseradish) That Trotsky one of the creators of the Red Army is not denied, even by his most stubborn opponents. And without it, Russia in those years risked losing not only what was in 1992, but in general everything up to the Urals. Yes, and then there would be Russia? As for the creation of the army by methods far from the current casting for the role of the first beauty, they were not invited to a beauty contest. Yes, and nonsense, or rather propaganda around this heaped a lot. Think for yourself, can an army going to fight from under a stick win? Now about the party differences. Here I pass. For God's sake, I don’t understand what they fundamentally call apart from the struggle for power. I just want to remind you that Stalin was not alone in battling with Trotsky, but together with Zinoviev and Kamenev, who subsequently let go as an expense as Trotskyists. Another question is that Trotsky was against the “one-man management” introduced by Stalin, but is this good or bad? At some periods of the life of the country - good, at some bad times. However, Trotsky, having taken power, most likely would have done the same. In particular, the same Stalin along the fronts also did not go in the car
                      4. sleepy
                        sleepy 4 September 2013 01: 50 New
                        0
                        Leather jackets in tsarist Russia were sewn for the needs of the army, indeed less than the uniforms.
                        Fighters of the Cavalry Army took advantage of Budenovki,
                        and leather jackets — Trotsky’s personal guard.
                        Trotsky did not intend to fight foreign competitors with his bare hands and created an army in the interests of American financial circles, manipulating the slogans he needed.
                        Russia must be a vassal of the United States with the army,
                        able to maintain boundaries and control the internal environment. Trotsky dealt with those who disagree at a high level, and lower level - commanders of the level of Tukhachevsky.
                        It’s more difficult to judge Zinoviev and Kamenev, because against the background of Trotsky’s actions they did not show themselves so clearly.
        2. I am a Russian
          I am a Russian 26 August 2013 19: 07 New
          +4
          I am glad that my child’s mother does not use expressions such as ...
    3. aleshka
      aleshka 26 August 2013 19: 56 New
      0
      Yes, and you have a slight schizoid !!!!
    4. cdrt
      cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 05 New
      0
      And why did you decide that I should be bothered by the far-fetched opinions of young impotent people


      For not figs with a woman argue laughing
      Inhumanly hit the patient himself laughing
  • OTTO
    OTTO 26 August 2013 13: 20 New
    +9
    Quote: Natalia
    Lenin is a bastard

    Madam, what are you talking about? What secrets did the "spy" Lenin pass on to the German command? If there are none, then there is no espionage. Lenin ruined the state - I disagree in the events of February, he did not participate, and after February, the provisional government took on all the “care” for the collapse of the country. In October, the power was taken away, and picked up. Well, if we talk about casting back ... it is difficult to judge Lenin died too early, but with his follower, the country made a tremendous breakthrough.
    1. dmb
      dmb 26 August 2013 14: 06 New
      12
      You vainly undertook to explain something to the girl. This follows directly from your quote. When a person makes two mistakes in a word from 7 letters, and is even proud of it, she is unlikely to be interested in an opinion that is different from what she heard in the beer bar.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 26 August 2013 14: 23 New
        -20
        Quote: dmb
        You vainly undertook to explain something to the girl. This follows directly from your quote. When a person makes two mistakes in a word from 7 letters, and is even proud of it, she is unlikely to be interested in an opinion that is different from what she heard in the beer bar.

        You french goof winked the last argument, the argument of such a guy like you clinging to mistakes, which indicates that you have nothing to counter argumentatively on the topic ... your interlocutor above with the nickname OTTO gave a reasoned answer. And instead of what’s called “live on the air,” you’re probably because you have a lot of crap inside. lol
        1. Just Vasilich
          Just Vasilich 26 August 2013 20: 39 New
          +8
          Natalia: You French sucker is the last argument, the argument of guys like you ...

          The tribe and business of Ellochka the ogre lives, thrives and is inherited ... along with a vocabulary.
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 26 August 2013 14: 32 New
        -2
        In vain you hooked a girl! Right now they will explain everything to you, why and why
        1. dmb
          dmb 26 August 2013 15: 10 New
          +8
          You know, that would be funny if it weren’t so sad. She doesn’t even understand that she’s not capable of insulting, and that her attempt to swear at the place, doesn’t fit in with Russia, Russia, or the USSR. But with the current state of our society, it is quite similar in soul.
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 26 August 2013 15: 35 New
            -12
            Quote: dmb
            You know, that would be funny if it weren’t so sad. She doesn’t even understand that she’s not capable of insulting, and that her attempt to swear at the place, doesn’t fit in with Russia, Russia, or the USSR. But with the current state of our society, it is quite similar in soul.

            Blah blah blah ... how sweet you sing, I already listened.) And the people repaid your Lenin with dignity, left to rot in four walls, no one even buried humanly ... well, it seems like he deserves it.
            1. stranik72
              stranik72 26 August 2013 21: 09 New
              +5
              It is possible that you have learned to write and read due to the fact that there was Lenin and not that. And so, judging by your expressions, the maximum that you were able to clean is for the cow.
      3. Pers314
        Pers314 26 August 2013 16: 37 New
        0
        I agree with you.
    2. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 20: 01 New
      0
      In February, maybe PERSONALLY did not participate, but others?
  • postman
    postman 26 August 2013 17: 01 New
    -9
    "Spy" is not proven, probably fortunately (what a shame for Russia would be).
    The existing archives of the General Staff of Germany do not confirm this.
    The Germans and Kaiser intelligence knew and did not interfere. That is yes.

    But this does not change the essence: Ulyanov-Lenin trash, excrement, true high-flying
  • aleshka
    aleshka 26 August 2013 19: 54 New
    +3
    Lenin ruined our state !!!! The girl is more careful with drugs !!!! And with your level of education do not judge Lenin! PADONAK-
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 August 2013 23: 13 New
      +1
      the girl thought that it was not necessary to learn history, it was enough to behave like a bazaar chalda (in the worst sense of the word). The saddest thing was that she did not even understand the interlocutor’s arguments (to him my sincere sympathy) and thought that she was right.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 August 2013 08: 47 New
    10
    It’s written all right. But it’s not all that simple, alas. The world market does not like competition.
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 40 New
      +1
      And who said that we need a global market? Russia is self-sufficient, and this self-sufficiency we inherited from our ancestors. The world market is needed for people without a homeland and without a fatherland in order to live in London, to walk in Courchevel. Do Russians really need this? Of course not. We need our beloved Motherland, our Fatherland, a just state and Russian Truth, which is the only law. For this, the world market is not needed. The USSR dictated the conditions to the world market. The troubles began to approach, when the nascent class of partocracy wanted to get into this market. They thought that they would always be able to dictate their conditions, they just have to give in a little bit, then they will be able to snatch a piece, and the grateful western society will receive them with open arms, and they were gobbled up, which we are witnessing now.

      The trouble is that, so that they are not devoured, they sacrifice us, Russians, feeding this very world market. Fools zaputintsy go with a smile and order to the mouth of the world bourgeoisie, smart resist. But the result is one: if we do not unite, they will devour us all.

      That is why it is time for Russians to forget about their differences and unite. And here again, another srach ... This is bad, although I could not resist - alas, to me :(
  • TAGIR
    TAGIR 26 August 2013 08: 55 New
    +6
    Yes, you’re old man’s dreamer. If only yes. By the way, among Jews, nationality is transmitted by mother, and the father of comrade Lenin is a Chuvash by nationality. This is for accuracy.
    1. 225chay
      225chay 26 August 2013 10: 17 New
      0
      Quote: TAGIR
      and the father of comrade Lenin is a Chuvash by nationality. This is for accuracy.

      But by chance, do not remember the maiden name of the mother of Lenin?
      1. 123123123
        123123123 26 August 2013 12: 50 New
        +2
        What is there to guess - she's nee Blank (Jewess)
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 26 August 2013 12: 53 New
          +2
          And who is he by nationality?
        2. OTTO
          OTTO 26 August 2013 15: 09 New
          +3
          Quote: 123123123
          she is nee Blank (jewish)

          This is only one of the three versions. But Aleksandr Dmitrievich Blank, if he was a baptized Jew (in the Russian Empire, religion was not the main thing), and his wife Anna Ivanovna (Johannovna) Grossshopf came from a Swedish-German family. As I recall among the Jews, kinship is transmitted through the mother ...

          And so many nationalities have mixed up in Russia that the task of looking for a purebred Russian is not real.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 48 New
      +2
      Previously, Russian was determined not by nationality, but by two signs: the oath of allegiance to the tsar and the Orthodox religion (Greek faith, as they wrote then). Moreover, Lenin's father was a nobleman, and Lenin himself was a member of the Orthodox youth circle in childhood, where he was in good standing. Changes occurred after the execution of his brother.

      Who can consider a Russian nobleman of the Orthodox faith a Jew? ;) Only. But he was there, Chuvash, or who - this is not important. Russian is a nation in the Western sense of the word, that is, a nation consisting of several nationalities united by a single culture, language, state. The basis is Slavs, Rusichs, but there are other nationalities, even Jews;)
  • servshur
    servshur 26 August 2013 08: 56 New
    +4
    Something in these articles is, but only something. How would it be - no one knows, but how everything is visible, the question is what they tell us and what not ..... What our country is unpredictable is yes. Anything can happen - to the bottom. and then ... The whole history of the twentieth century is worth tens of millions of lives, and we still somersault.
  • volkodav
    volkodav 26 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +2
    one wish to the author - from heaven to earth descent
  • bulvas
    bulvas 26 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +3
    smile
    The land of Russia is rich ... economic geniuses
    1. cdrt
      cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 14 New
      0
      smile
      The land of Russia is rich ... economic geniuses



      Economic ignoramuses laughing
      PEC's legacy by the way laughing when normal professors-economists for the whole country one or two dozen typed.
      And taking into account the fact that a normal education (when a institute is good, and a professor, and you can’t pass an exam for a bribe), it remains to count the whole country on the fingers of two hands ... - it's really bad. Article-proof laughing
  • optimist
    optimist 26 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +9
    The author had to give the name Manilov. Ordinary reasoning on the topic: "If my grandmother had a member, she would be a grandfather!". In Russia, nothing will change for the better until the social and political system is changed. And without doing anything, it’s the same as scooping up water from a boat without closing a hole ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 26 August 2013 09: 22 New
      10
      Quote: optimist
      In Russia, nothing will change for the better until the social and political system is changed.


      Only mass shootings will save the motherland
      1. optimist
        optimist 26 August 2013 09: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        Only mass shootings will save the motherland

        You just specify: who will shoot whom?
        1. cdrt
          cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 19 New
          0
          Only mass shootings will save the motherland



          You just specify: who will shoot whom?


          People repeating this phrase for some reason I think that they will shoot.

          So - history shows that they are usually shot laughing
          For the universe is fair laughing
      2. 225chay
        225chay 26 August 2013 10: 18 New
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Only mass shootings will save the motherland


        certain individuals))
      3. Natalia
        Natalia 26 August 2013 12: 03 New
        -7
        Quote: Vadivak
        Only mass shootings will save the motherland

        Well, you give Mlyn, is this when mass executions helped the homeland? Well, they shot under the Soviet Union and where is the Soviet Union now? ....

        You should also distinguish between the concept of mass executions from the death penalty (this is no longer a stone in your garden). The death penalty is necessary ... mass executions are already insane, just the word mass is worth what ... or maybe you think that we have already leveled demographics, you can shoot?

        Mass executions are crazy, for as the story of the two guilty shows, ten innocent people fall under the mass execution.
        1. iCuD
          iCuD 26 August 2013 12: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Natalia
          for as the story of the two guilty shows, ten innocent people fall under the mass shooting.

          I would like to know where did you study history? And they would immediately indicate the source where they read about it.
      4. AleksUkr
        AleksUkr 26 August 2013 18: 25 New
        +5
        Slogans like “shoot everyone” remain only slogans because of their practical inefficiency. Before you put people on the wall, you need to answer the questions: “who exactly?”, “For what?”, “When?”, “Who will shoot?”, “Where to get so many cartridges?”, “Who will bury?” , “Who will take the place of the executed?”, “What will their children say?” etc. etc.

        HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SOLVE ALL THESE QUESTIONS? DO YOU WANT THAT?
  • T-73
    T-73 26 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +3
    This one is a hero, this one is a scoundrel, and no doubt about it. Said it suddenly and bluntly. But how many people, so many opinions. To much, the superficial look of the author does not convince him of the rightness.
  • creak
    creak 26 August 2013 09: 16 New
    +2
    As I understand it, the author is not going to rest on our laurels and is going to continue to teach where to go and with whom to fight ... Just like a prophet ... Is there really no more relevant topic on this site than this baby talk?
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    1. Per se.
      Per se. 26 August 2013 10: 02 New
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      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      Truly, the Union gave education to the masses, freedom of choice of labor to the masses, and under the tsar, it seems to me, by the time of the 20-30, Russia would become a fragmented feudal state!
      The Union and the Communists saved Russia. It was not Lenin who created the February Revolution, and it was not Lenin who made Nicholas II, at the most difficult moment for the country, abdicate. What would happen next if the Bolsheviks did not take power? Please, in 1991, Gorbachev essentially repeated the tsar’s abdication, voluntarily giving power to the traitors from Belovezhskaya Pushcha, the Soviet Union fell, crime and corruption swept the country, and a “parade of independence” began. If we recall the tsar’s debts, all the loans that Russia gained before the war, the cunning allies of the Entente, that they saw strong Russia in the grave, we can definitely say that Russia would not become a nuclear superpower, in general, a strong and independent country, and “liberals” even then they would lower the decaying Russia below the plinth, becoming lackeys and puppets of the West. Now there is at least memory and experience, and, therefore, a chance to revive a great country, although it is painfully sorry that the Soviet Union was not upheld immediately, and allowed the reptiles to destroy it.
    2. Uzoliv
      Uzoliv 26 August 2013 21: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      and with the king .... as you were a peasant, even if you get up with cancer, you will remain a peasant!

      This is a very categorical statement. Of course, under the Soviet regime, the possibility of obtaining an education was much higher, but the time has changed for qualified specialists, and much more was required. But under the tsar, there were still opportunities for the peasant (or common man) to beat himself out into the people. Of course, under serfdom, these opportunities were minimal. Although there are known cases when a peasant could be richer than his master, the so-called peasants are millionaires. After the abolition of serfdom, these opportunities expanded. The most likely way to change, as they say their social status, was the transition to the merchant estate. And so, the grandchildren received higher education and became engineers, doctors, and artists. Peasants and petty bourgeoisie often gave their children to study at the seminar (comrade Stalin, as you know, studied there - but he is not from a wealthy family). There have been cases of rapid take-off of talented immigrants from the common people. Here are a few examples: well, I won’t even give the name of the first Russian academician - everyone knows it; Admiral Lisyansky - the son of a priest; Admiral Makarov - his father rose to the rank of junior naval officer, and began as a boatswain, probably even in a dream he could not imagine his son as an admiral; actor Shchepkin - serf parents; artist Repin - parents military settlers; Maxim Gorky - no comment; Sergei Yesenin - parents of peasants. This is what quickly came to mind.
      At the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries, Russia was changing, the nobility was losing its leading role. This is clearly seen in the works of Russian writers of that time. Here at Chekhov (by the way from merchants) in the play The Cherry Orchard from the former owners of the landowners the garden is bought by their former serf.
      The country has changed. And she needed qualified personnel. Here is our Nizhny Novgorod river school founded in 1872 and the initiators of its emergence were Nizhny Novgorod merchants, they needed professionals in the river fleet, (also an opportunity to get out in people - someone could grow up to be a captain) the school forges still.
      Therefore, in my opinion, it’s not worth it to hack like this.
      1. Uhe
        Uhe 26 August 2013 23: 57 New
        +1
        Very competent approach, I approve.

        You quite rightly noted: continuity is power, so it would be wonderful if our state developed without coups, but for the benefit of the majority, that is, the entire Russian people, and not a small part of it, or, moreover, foreigners. Here in the current history, over the past 25 years, there have been several real upheavals, but few people pay attention to it, because this very attention is cleverly scattered, translating into the events of ancient times.

        Well, few people know that it was Lenin who initiated the old, royal still, cadres, including former owners of enterprises, scientists, officers, and other specialists, to become leaders and creators of the new industry, science of the young country of the Soviets. And his look and approach won, and Stalin also improved.
  • shurup
    shurup 26 August 2013 09: 22 New
    10
    The inventor of the M-16 received one dollar from each produced rifle. Kalashnikov received stripes, a pension and thanks.
    When Chubais will receive thanks for the work, then Russian inventors will implement the picture drawn by the author.
    In the meantime, we look out the windows.
    1. GHG
      GHG 26 August 2013 10: 59 New
      +4
      On the other hand ... our athletes began to pay good fees, but they began to perform worse. Where is the connection between material incentive and victory? Give people the opportunity to do what they love and you will be happy.
      1. shurup
        shurup 26 August 2013 11: 55 New
        +4
        In modern sports, the Minkhimprom, the Ministry of Pharmaceuticals and the Ministry of Health win.
        Gazprom, athletes and fees are only indirectly related to sports victories.
        Since Russian amateur sport has become professional, it has ceased to be a favorite business and has moved into the category of a business that brings the illusion of happiness.
      2. Uhe
        Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 08 New
        +2
        Nonsense. They had been paid great money before. The same Tszyu recalls how, being at a training camp in the Urals, he went from there by taxi to his parents for 500 rubles. on weekend. 500 Soviet rubles. Amateur boxer. Could allow in an easy spend on a taxi at a time;)

        Athletes were only called amateurs, but they received as professionals, formally enlisted in some work or, say, in the army :) In addition, truly amateur sports were also well developed - youth sports schools in each district, their departments - - in each microdistrict. And all for free, all the simulators, skis, balls, etc. necessary for classes were free. It was a great network for catching sports gifted young people. China adopted it from us, thanks to which it has achieved tremendous results in sports. And we invite blacks instead of ours, if only to spend less on young people;) And so in all areas, not only in sports. Capitalism is a wolf to man.
    2. Samminosh
      Samminosh 26 August 2013 11: 27 New
      +3
      Kalashnikov feels rather poor, do not be shy.
    3. apostrophe
      apostrophe 26 August 2013 15: 14 New
      +2
      Yes, he does not need this loot, he did not work for him.
    4. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 01 New
      +1
      Do not la la. Kalashnikov and other inventors received excellent money and other types of incentives, including tangible ones. Another thing is that in the USSR he would still get a lot, but now, apparently, stripes, as you say;) Well, you have to ask Chubais, he modeled such an economy by stealing all their property from the USSR. And in relation to Soviet times, do not translate the economic realities of that era onto pro-Western capitalist tracks, which have a completely different approach.
  • Thirsty for wind
    Thirsty for wind 26 August 2013 09: 23 New
    -2
    It makes little sense to sculpt a figure from Lenin.
    In my opinion, he is a chess piece that was moved.
    Those who fed and taught him. Here for what purpose and how efficiently, the method should be clarified and adopted. On the other hand, I am terrified, if the Russians learn to fight in Europe, it will be a scribe. Amsterdam was yesterday, and today the hole and the needle of the dosimeter, under the crack of the device, rested against the right.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 26 August 2013 09: 28 New
    -7
    Author!!!!! I will set a minus !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    If Lenin had not been gone, there would have been no Stalin and no industry. NON-EXCEPTIONAL Nonsense !!!!!!!
    I highly recommend the author to study the story again. And to find the moment when, even under Alexander 3, the industrial revolution began. We stepped forward a whole epoch for some 30 - 40 years. Suffice it to say that half of the equipment on which weapons were forged in the Second World War was manufactured before 17 years old !!!!! The largest calibers of guns of the Red Army, except for the martyr BR-5 thiel, on its cover are the stigma of the Obukhov plant with a date of up to 17 years!

    Author. Regrettably !!!!!!!!! Very unfortunate !!!! Examine the facts with a more open look and then write articles.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 26 August 2013 10: 26 New
      +4
      Proxor: But what about shell and cartridge hunger in World War I? The economic part of the article seemed somewhat frivolous to me. The author would like to pay more attention to the economy, to read the work of serious left-wing economists, for example, Glazyev. Personally, it seems to me that the most important condition for the success of a socialist economy is the material interest of business leaders in profit. Interest makes it possible for the capitalist economy to be effective. Being a universal factor, interest can integrate into the socialist economy. It is necessary to strive to move away from the Stalinist model of manual government, in favor of a self-developing, self-sustaining system.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 26 August 2013 10: 42 New
        -3
        Quote: krpmlws
        : But what about shell and cartridge shortage in the 1st World War?

        This is the same famine as in 1941. When artillery had 1942-25% of the ammunition for the operation until the spring of 30. The fact that the front could not provide shells in the first war was not due to the backwardness of industry in the Russian Empire, but because of the sloppiness of the security generals.
        1. krpmlws
          krpmlws 26 August 2013 10: 57 New
          +1
          I read a lot of memoirs of veterans of 41g, everyone noted that there were plenty of shells and ammunition (except that there was a shortage of armor-piercing 76ml). In the Red Army there were a lot of problems, but this was not and moreover, this factor did not affect the strategic situation at the front, like this It was the 1st World War, and this is the main thing. As for slovenliness, you exaggerate. The Germans did not sleep either, they applied constant blows to railway junctions (as the 13th army defending Minsk lost ammunition provision). But this is all particular, for without normal organized supply of the Red Army could not inflict irreparable losses on the Wehrmacht and defeat him near Moscow.
          1. PROXOR
            PROXOR 26 August 2013 11: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: krpmlws
            I read a lot of memoirs of veterans of 41g, everyone noted that there were plenty of shells and ammunition (except that there was a shortage of armor-piercing 76ml). In the Red Army there were a lot of problems, but this was not and moreover, this factor did not affect the strategic situation at the front, like this It was the 1st World War, and this is the main thing. As for slovenliness, you exaggerate. The Germans did not sleep either, they applied constant blows to railway junctions (as the 13th army defending Minsk lost ammunition provision). But this is all particular, for without normal organized supply of the Red Army could not inflict irreparable losses on the Wehrmacht and defeat him near Moscow.


            You're talking about field munitions right now. And there is ammunition for long-range artillery. The one that either breaks the defense or stops the attack. I do not argue that in 41 the situation with ammunition shells was better than in 1916 on the Russian-German front. There was a miscalculation in the face of providing troops. There was not a sufficient number of long-range powerful artillery, there were few hand grenades. Lacked armored vehicles. In general, the Russian army went to war with rifles from a bayonet and, well, a few machine guns. AND EVERYTHING.
            Unfortunately, the 41st year was no better. The main weapon in the army was the Mosin rifle and the same Maxim machine gun. There were Diagterev light machine guns, but there were not so many of them. Field artillery was mostly 45mm. Tanks T-26, BT-7 and BT-7M, T-28. With all this technical superiority in the ranks of the Army, there were not enough experienced commanders who were not afraid to act contrary to the charters and directives from above.
            And here and there we see huge gaps in preparation for hostilities. But in all this there was a great will of the people to beat in the face those who encroached on the borders of the fatherland. In 1916, General Brusilov. undertook the operation prepared by him and practically brought down the defense of the Austro-Hungarian army and only the hasty actions of the German army and the inability to provide troops with everything necessary for the offensive did not allow the Russian army to enter Vienna and withdraw Austria-Hungary from the war.
            In 1941, there was a national Povig of Russian people. Defensive battles, even if they were doomed, are constant attacks of communications of the rival. The stubbornness of the Red Army and the subsequent offensive operation near Moscow.
            And here and there a lot of blood was shed, many lives were destroyed. But to deny our history is simply wrong now.
            And our coat of arms should not be just a two-headed eagle with a crown on top. And the eagle which in one paw holds the symbol of the Russian Empire and in another symbol of the USSR. It is time to stop dividing us before and after 17 years. We have one Russia. And what is white what is red, at sunset all the "cats" are gray.
            1. krpmlws
              krpmlws 26 August 2013 12: 31 New
              +2
              Well, what are you saying, in the main 45mlm, there was only plenty. One anti-tank brigade was 10 pieces armed with 76,85 and 107ml cannons (only some negligent bosses did not provide all of them with transport) .Rokossovsky wrote that artillery was the main means of repelling attacks .About the tanks you are also somehow biased. Yes, they often failed, the crews were poorly prepared for the maintenance of equipment, things were bad with the evacuation and repair, but there were a lot of tanks and it was quite enough to solve the tasks assigned to them. Problem of the Red Army It was not in a lack of experience (an overwhelming excuse, an insurmountable factor), but in the absence of proper training of the officers, as a result, the Soviet commanders had to learn everything in battle. The military system and personnel structure were broken by repressions, which led to such flagrant inactivity (they come orders to bring the first echelons to full combat readiness, but nothing is done), General Gorbatov wrote well about this in his memoirs. Thus, it is necessary to more sensibly assess the historical situation in the USSR and the Russian Empire.
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 44 New
            -1
            I read a lot of memoirs of veterans of 41g, everyone noted that there were plenty of shells and ammunition (except that there was a shortage of armor-piercing 76ml). In the Red Army there were a lot of problems, but this was not and moreover, this factor did not affect the strategic situation at the front, like this was in the 1st world, and this is important



            And you carefully read not about the summer of 1941 (in 1914, by the way, there was also no shell hunger), but about the end of 1941, read 8-10 months of 1942. Read also the reports on the shipment of the ammunition of the army, documents from the archive of the Defense Ministry, the same Isaev is possible - he actually has a good work with this archive. And you will be happy.
            In 1942 there was a severe shell hunger.
            Just like in 1915.
            Only then the Germans were not allowed to go further than western Ukraine and the Baltic states, and in 1942 to Stalingrad.
            Although the Germans wrote to themselves that they were weaker than in the WWI.

            So ... The facts of the PMV RI blades do not confirm laughing

            As the RI - RI accepts the "lapotnosti" - the RI battleships were built, the cruisers are not bad, destroyers of the very best.
            USSR ships at the world level was able to build somewhere in the 1970s. The battleships could not, although they wanted to.
            Why are there battleships - cruisers could only be built with the help of Italians, and they were built in such a way that the ships were almost not seaworthy (due to defects in the hull structures).
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer 27 August 2013 05: 30 New
              +1
              "Only then the Germans were not allowed to go further than western Ukraine and the Baltic states, and in 1942 to Stalingrad.
              Although the Germans wrote to themselves that they were weaker than in the WWI.

              So ... The facts of the PMV RI blades do not confirm laughing

              As RI accepts “lapotnosti”, RI — RI built battleships, good cruisers, destroyers of the very best. "- in 1 m. France was not captured and fought a war, the Germans could not give up all their strength on only one front. So there’s a clear" miss " "in your" logic ". Further. If there was a shortage of ammunition in the Second World War in the initial period (I trust your statements here), it was caused by the evacuation of enterprises, as an option. In 1 mv there was nothing like this. There was only a systemic crisis.
              and finally got to the fleet. I bought ships abroad in very large numbers.
              1. cdrt
                cdrt 28 August 2013 01: 33 New
                -1
                Hmm ... RI bought abroad in large quantities?
                Is it possible with facts - the tonnage of military ones built on their own in comparison with the purchased one? You can separately - only for large ships, as the most complex. Well ... Which of the battleships or armadillos did RI buy from whom?
                Well, by the way - and what kind of cruisers did the USSR build before the war? Are they Italian?

                To shell hunger 42. The fact that in 42 the famine was due to the transfer of industry to the east is clear. Just the reason for this was the corresponding combat capability of the Red Army and errors in the distribution of defense industry enterprises. That, as it were, is a much more serious reason than the stupidity and doctrinaire of the military leadership when planning stockpiling for war.
                Well ... What is such a systemic crisis that has been overcome in 1-1,5 years ??? It doesn’t happen :-))) the system requires a systemic exit, and in 1915-16 there were no major changes - the usual mobilization of the economy, the Rathenau effect in action (well, of course, on a smaller scale than in Germany at that time)
      2. cdrt
        cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 33 New
        -1
        But what about shell and cartridge hunger in the 1st World War?


        Well ... having said A, we must say B.
        When was the shell hunger over there? Could it be the end of 1915? And why did it arise? Could it be from the military? (By the way, all the belligerent countries are talking about a fool with a short-term war)
        Well, and how not to recall the shell / weapon famine of the end of 1941-1942 ...
        This is apparently generally in the tradition of Russian, preparing for war to delay preparation ... laughing , then heroically overcome the consequences laughing
        How is Klyuchevsky defined the Russian national character - three A: maybe, hand-painted, artel laughing
        So - by 1916, the shell and weapon hunger industry completely overcame. Moreover, it was rapidly increasing production.

        Another thing is that the Bolsheviks in just a year or two of war communism and executions / terror led engineers, designers and managers as a class.
        Therefore, Professor Preobrazhensky said - devastation in the minds. If we urinate in the front door, we will begin to devastate there.
    2. stranik72
      stranik72 26 August 2013 21: 16 New
      0
      Yeah, regrettably, in terms of child mortality, Russia was the first in Europe, in industrial production the fifth, every 5..2 years they starved in provinces, while they were in the top three in grain sales. I will not even speak about the illiteracy of the population. The equipment you are talking about was purchased in the USA and Germany, about half, far and past, so it is regrettable that you even managed to distort the facts.
      1. krpmlws
        krpmlws 27 August 2013 05: 40 New
        -1
        cdrt: It is necessary to take into account the huge amount of ammunition left in the western districts, so the capabilities of the industry of the USSR and the Russian Empire are two different things. The Germans are more likely to miss the training, the results of the war are evidence of this.
  • Jack7691
    Jack7691 26 August 2013 09: 28 New
    -2
    I don’t even want to argue - a simple demagogue.
    It is time, finally, to understand that the country cannot be raised with cheer-patriotism.
  • sergant89
    sergant89 26 August 2013 09: 41 New
    -1
    The author writes a lot of correct, but not real, and for those who are interested not only how it was good in the Future, but also about how it was in the Past, read Maxim Kalashnikov's “Broken Shield of the Empire,” “Battle for Heaven,” etc. By the way, there are about the same fantasies, but more objective and supported by evidence. hi
  • a.hamster55
    a.hamster55 26 August 2013 10: 06 New
    +3
    Dear Vadivak! In China, they have been publicly executed and shot for many years, but the number of those who "want" is not diminishing. Maybe the Gulag is self-sufficient?
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR 26 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +2
    Ohhhhhhh. Less minors woke up. The main minus and do not write for what. Guys. This is not a Dialog !!!! It's kicks secretly.
  • My address
    My address 26 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +5
    I consider Lenin a genius. Made a lot of mistakes. He organized the beginning of building the most just, at that time, society. There was at that time fit for that.
    In fact, he took a collapsing Russia and did not let it completely collapse. At the beginning of 17, Lenin, like the Bolsheviks, was a trifle in Russian politics. And managed to take power and resist. And his statement: "Electron is inexhaustible, like the world"?
    I repeat. I was lucky with the teacher of the History of the CPSU at the institute. He was interesting in talking about Lenin, Stalin, and not even close quotes from Pravda. Criticized, but how clever! Referring to their articles. I heard that there were complaints about him in his department, but the man was a front-line soldier.
    Lenin was the forerunner of Stalin.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 August 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: My address
      I consider Lenin a genius.


      Well, yes.
      And his most ingenious invention is
      "- More Hasstgels of the Comrade, More Hasstgels!"

      And what else did Lenin invent?

      Who were the Latvian arrows? - Mercenaries. There were still quite a few mercenaries whom the Bolsheviks used to seize power. They were paid with looted values ​​taken away not only from the "bourgeoisie", but also from doctors, teachers, professors, engineers, officers, who were destroyed by entire families for silverware.

      Indeed, Stalin was a salvation for a plundered and destroyed country. Otherwise, there is still not much, and the country would cease to exist.
      1. My address
        My address 26 August 2013 11: 45 New
        +5
        And you know that:
        the initial conditions were much more favorable for Kerensky;
        until the spring of 18, the Bolsheviks were quite complacent about political opponents, although the Civil War had already begun, the red terror was the answer to white;
        during the Civil War, the peasants, for the most part, were in favor of the Reds, and Russia was a peasant country interspersed with industry;
        by the time of Lenin's death, Russia had grown stronger thanks to the NEP, and did not know that it was "plundered and destroyed." The merit of Stalin was not to save the country, but to rise to the level of the Great and the Just.

        Less read the opuses of A. Yakovlev's students (there was such a “perestroika architect”).
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 26 August 2013 12: 19 New
          +1
          My address

          I never read And Yakovlev, in addition, I do not need the advice of friends - teachers of the history of the CPSU, what should I read.
          Also say that the history of the CPSU is a science, and its teachers are scientists

          I will not go into polemics (as they say, who argues - that Mr. is not worth it), especially with friends of the “historians” of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, I will say more simply:

          socialism began in Russia with robberies, blood and violence, ended with robberies and betrayal of the people, and again, the Communists, who demanded loans from the West for the collapse of the country, transferred the money received to Western banks, hanging debts on the people of Russia.

          PS You can not answer me - not interesting. I well remember my "teacher" of the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - a frantic Brezhnevich, there were enough memories for life
          1. My address
            My address 26 August 2013 14: 21 New
            +3
            I draw the attention of readers.

            Here is a vivid example of not knowing how to respond to someone else's opinion.

            I tell him about specific facts, he told me a rubbish (sorry for the truth) of the type of "party gold" and frantic brezhnevichka. Well, I was not digested by a mathematician at the institute, so that all teachers of mathematics are moral hodes? All teachers of the History of the CPSU, even order bearers, participants in the war, traitors to the people? And to declare that I, jerk at the time, a friend of the teacher? I am writing about Yakovlev's students, he replies that Yakovlev did not read! This individual understands the meaning of reading?

            Penalty for this is necessary!
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 26 August 2013 15: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: My address
              Here is a vivid example of not knowing how to respond to someone else's opinion.


              I answer your opinion (sorry, I didn’t think so touchy):

              Any dispute over the coup in Russia of the 17th year does not make sense.

              Because:
              not one of the promises of the organizers of the coup was fulfilled.
              a bright future has not come.
              The promise of a better life - does not resemble the promise of paradise and 72 virgins in a paradise for martyrs?
              The people of Russia and other peoples who had the misfortune of being near received only humiliation, death, misfortune, poverty, war, camps and slave labor.
              Countries lucky to be out of the reach of the builders of communism lived and
              they live much better and happier, they have a much fairer society
              and a higher standard of living than in Russia.
              The builders of communism were the first to betray communism and their ideals and simply
              their country and the first rushed to rob their people, destroying everything that
              managed to build not thanks to them, but in spite of.



              What other opinion is needed and what other facts are needed?
              ALL teachers of the CPSU and related sciences are merely DEMAGOGI, it does not matter whether they are order carriers or front-line soldiers.

              About the students of Yakovlev, I missed, I repent, you can fine me for this.
              But neither Yakovlev (unless his namesake is an aircraft designer), nor his students are interested in me, never trusted the leaders of his profession
        2. Uzoliv
          Uzoliv 26 August 2013 22: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: My address
          although the Civil War had already begun, the red terror was a response to white;

          I remember the film "Lenin in October". A letter from the village is being read to Lenin. (From my memory, I can miss some details) The soldiers came from the front, disassembled the cattle, burned the Terentyevs (apparently fists) and everyone thinks to take them land or wait for some kind of decree. Lenin interrupts: "To take, it is inapplicable to take. Write to be selected." And what to do with the landowners? Lenin: “Let them kick them out” And here we thought and killed everyone. Lenin: "Well, sensible letter."
          Honest movie of 1937.
          And on the topic of the civil war, how it started, it was proceeding - you need to read "The Quiet Don".
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 26 August 2013 23: 10 New
            -1
            "Quiet Don" Sholokhov-poor comparison
          2. Uhe
            Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 24 New
            -1
            The film was created for people of that time, with their mentality, and most people were then peasants. My father won the first time in the cinema in the late 40s. He saw the tank on the screen, and after the session he went to see where he had left. And before that, just as people were surprised at the "plate", which they hung in many villages - the voice goes, but the person is not there. Where is he sitting?

            I hope I explained quite clearly? ;) And then believers are a diagnosis of stupidity implicated in obstinacy and blindness;)
    2. postman
      postman 26 August 2013 17: 13 New
      -1
      Alexander!!!!
      It was a beautiful wrapper for shit, your teacher, quite possibly he sincerely believed in what was being broadcast.
      I recommend here that:
      1. Himself read the originals / primary sources (Lenin)
      2. To read (translate) the works of Dr. Goebels himself (for comparison)
      By the way: # 2. It will be smarter, more perspicacious and more honest # 1.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 August 2013 17: 35 New
        +2
        By the way, in 17 instances they claimed that the entire top of the 3 Reich were completely mediocrity and narrow-minded people. I declare to you, the majority were with higher education! Adolf Aloizovich was not, but had just phenomenal intuition
        1. postman
          postman 26 August 2013 18: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          , in 17-moments claimed

          As far as I remember (long looked) - NO.
          There they are (the top): well-read, educated, educated.
          and Muller and Shelenberg are generally pretty.

          This can most likely be attributed to the Stirlitz jokes.
          But seriously (about Goebels) - a very educated and smart person was ...
          Talent just the wrong way "went"
          And so for reference:
          Goebels and only Goebels 3 or 4 times suggested that Hitler make peace with the USSR, during WWII (WWII)
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 26 August 2013 18: 48 New
            +1
            By the way, Joseph Paul Goebbels defended his doctorate in philosophy. But you are right. The NSDAP was a criminal party.
          2. cdrt
            cdrt 27 August 2013 01: 59 New
            0
            Goebels and only Goebels 3 or 4 times suggested that Hitler make peace with the USSR, during WWII (WWII)


            By the way, in my opinion, Goebels said - from a social democrat you never get a good national socialist, from a communist - always laughing

            And by the way - he really proposed to conclude a peace with the USSR. That's just the world had to be made in the fall of 1941 / summer 1942 and without predatory conditions. And apparently I wanted to fuck the world and fuck the floor of Ukraine.

            Well ... Stalin was not Lenin - not a player, but a thorough administrator, his goals were different: Lenin had to plunge the country into chaos, drove home millions of armed people feral in the war, and use the chaos to win the civil war, but from Stalin the goal was to maintain a regime that would certainly fall from such a defeat.
      2. My address
        My address 26 August 2013 18: 49 New
        0
        Dear Vasily!

        I do not agree with you. Did I say that Lenin was an angel? And here I read all sorts of nonsense, starting from Chukchi origin and ending with loving nature. And at least someone about the peasants killed at his command, until he realized that the surplus was destructive and introduced a prodnalog. And this is what the teacher told us, but, naturally, in a mild form. Lenin ingeniously found a way out of any situation. And I respect him only for the beginning of the implementation of the idea of ​​a fair society.

        Stalin was not a genius (perhaps I am mistaken, this is my personal opinion). He was a talent who made himself. If the genius is influx, which can lead God knows where, then talent is a constant work on yourself and knowledge of where to go and how. At first Stalin also broke the wood, but what is the result!

        All the best.
        1. postman
          postman 26 August 2013 20: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: My address
          Did I say that Lenin was an angel?


          Alexander, I DO NOT WRITE THIS !!!
          I am only talking about the teacher of History of the CPSU at the institute !!!
          And he recommended reading the primary histories (Ulyanov-Lenin). A lot of cognitive
          Also I STRONGLY recommend reading Lenin’s personal (!) Applications for vacation pay (and the amounts requested) to them. Compare with the salaries of workers of that time. (Help Stalin, by the way was the most modest of them, at times (!) Less)
          Quote: My address
          And I read all sorts of nonsense here, starting from Chukchi

          And to me, by the way, nationality is all the same. Aliyev was the most intelligent, well-read, erudite of ALL "political bureaucrats" when they chose Gorbachev. And if not for this stupid national question ... m. everything went differently
          And about nonsense, so the article is complete nonsense, but! But with the calculation

          and about everything else ... I repeat:
          "Land to the peasants"
          "Peace to the soldiers"
          "Factory workers"
          I remember my grandmother’s stories about pulling earrings from women directly from their ears, with earlobes (and her family is by no means oligarchs-poor)
          All grandfather’s relatives outside the Urals turned out to be
          I remember the 1918 raster list where I found my grandfather's father.
          as well as I do not forget that Lenin (well, some people) didn’t emigrate there somewhere ..... But in SWITZERLAND (poor thing)
          My opinion about him (Lenin):
          - unprincipled, calculating, cruel careerist, burdened with vices and disease (s)
          If offended, sorry
          (Threat on the history of the CPSU was 3 and 4, which did not bear anything interesting)
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 26 August 2013 20: 15 New
            0
            Yes, the cattle was this form (sorry for straightforwardness). And next to it were the same. They decided to arrange the kaganate on the wreckage of the Great Empire
            1. Uhe
              Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 35 New
              +1
              And arranged - in 1991. We now live in the Khazar Khaganate. From 1917 to 1991 they lived in the Russian state, and now - in the kaganate. Yes?
        2. postman
          postman 26 August 2013 20: 57 New
          0
          Quote: My address
          Lenin brilliantly found a way out of any situation


          Add more:
          V. I. Lenin formulated the slogan of defeating "his" government in the imperialist war: "... from the point of view of the working class and the working masses of all the peoples of Russia, the defeat of the tsarist monarchy would be the least evil," which would undoubtedly facilitate the victory of the people over tsarism .. ..
          AND? and brought to power his (Lenin) and his gang.
          And this is when his (Lenin) Homeland, country, people of this country are conducting the largest (at that time) war in the history of mankind, the struggle for survival.

          moreover, it was not only slogans, it was a systematic work on the decomposition of the Army, Navy and Rear

          And no matter how and why this war began.
          Is this not the fifth column? And why could you condemn Bolotnaya and those who “run” to the American embassy for instructions?
          THAT IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE WITH THIS Lenin (with his appeals and his party) in 1941-1945 ???
          What would Stalin do with them and how would the people of the country react to them?
          or (God forbid, it’s unlikely now, tea isn’t 1992) did the war begin now between Russia and XXXX? And someone, an opponent of Putin, would begin to call for the overthrow of power, the defeat of Russia in the war, the overthrow of GDP, harm, sabotage, rotting young people, MOTIVING THE MOST GOOD intentions and promising:
          "We will take away the plants from Deripaska and Miler" we will give you the hard workers
          "Peace be to you soldiers of the army of the Russian Federation, no need to fight," "Proletarian countries XXX will not kill you, brother”
          “We will take the land from Abromovich, and a simple dekhanin will grow radish on the ruble”
          WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THIS, IN THE PERIOD WHEN THE HOMELAND LEADS A WAR?
          What is your attitude towards such a "most human person"
          The options are:
          - give him in the face and drag him to the nearest FSB department?
          - agrees and conduct subversive work against his homeland, so that it would be defeated in the war?
          and then deify the provocateur and traitor?



          links:
          Lenin's articles
          "The Tasks of Revolutionary Social Democracy in the European War,"
          "The situation and tasks of the socialist international",
          "On the national pride of the Great Russians,"
          "A proclamation of war"
          "Socialism and war",
          "Opportunism and the collapse of the Second International",
          "True Internationalists: Kautsky, Axelrod, Martov",
          “What's next?”, “Under the wrong flag”
          Manifesto of the Central Committee of the RSDLP "War and Russian Social Democracy" (edited by Lenin)
        3. Uhe
          Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 33 New
          +1
          The funny thing is that the Provisional Government started the surplus exploration;) That is, the Bolsheviks just took advantage of the procedure worked out and thought out for that moment. Well, not everything was taken away. Unlike whites, who rowed everything under the net. There are documents, there are articles with a selection of documents. Do you think why in the end there were more fighters in the Red Army? This is one of the reasons;) The second reason is that White happily shot those who disagree, who do not want to join their army, have weapons at home (even a prize and even a cold prize; such a story happened to my great-grandfather, and he was an order-bearer - his whole chest is in crosses for the war and award weapons from the tsar-father, but he didn’t want to fight either there or there; the red ones were left alone, and the white ones to be shot).

          The third reason is that the whites fought for the Entente and the Japs, who showed terrible atrocities against the Russians in the occupied territories.

          Personally, I am ardently sure that if there hadn’t been an Intervention, there would have been no such fratricidal war at all - they would have shot a couple of months and dispersed. We were pushed by our foreheads from the West, entering our land. But they came in to support the whites and, with their consent, supplied them with ammunition, ammunition and weapons. The Entente and the Japs are the real culprits of that terrible war.
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 27 August 2013 00: 43 New
            -1
            And it’s possible in more detail --- than the Entente supplied the whites. And then I have a slightly different opinion
    3. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 18 New
      +1
      From my point of view, Lenin had a major mistake - he was a Westerner, although he was very moderate, unlike the same traitor Trotsky. Stalin had a major plus - he was a soil worker. That is why many opponents still regard Stalin better than Lenin - they feel this difference, they feel, but they don’t understand :)

      Towards the end of his life, having become the ruler of the country, Lenin also began to become a soil worker, as it seems to me, but did not have time. Yes, and I would not, I think. And he is not alone. Most of the Russian intelligentsia have always been Westerners. This has been the case since the time of Peter 1, although before him there were not a few of them.

      Therefore, I would advise all debaters not to divide into monarchists, Orthodox, Communists and others, but to become just Russian soil workers, while all kinds of liberals, most of the so-called nationalists and other extreme Westerners carry our country only another grief and discord. The Russians have their own path, a path outside Western civilization, Asian or Eurasian; the path of their culture, their faith, their laws. You just need to follow it, and not rush from side to side. Here Stalin then outlined this path, then they strayed from it, now they have generally laid down under the West. This is where the trouble lies - in Westernism or even in slavish worship of this rotten West with its husbands, lack of spirituality and the race for material gain. This is bad for the Russians, badly.
  • individual
    individual 26 August 2013 10: 35 New
    12
    The civil war in Russia is not over, - this can be seen from the comments of members of the forum.
    “For the Reds,” “for the Whites” does not sound.
    There is a split in understanding where Russia went and where it was brought.
    Any question posed to society always exposes this split.
    Oh my god, when will everyone understand? While we are in discord we are losing.
    It is high time to raise the question of Russian unity of the people as a nation.
    LEADER NEEDED!
    1. Duelist
      Duelist 26 August 2013 11: 57 New
      +3
      The split in society is provoked by the oligarchs in power. They need Russia poor, stupid, sick and helpless. Then the wealth of the country can be cheaply dragged out of the country using the people as it were.
  • Natalia
    Natalia 26 August 2013 10: 37 New
    -13
    A rebuke to the author of the article.
    devote a couple of lines to Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, as one of the readers too unflattering responded to my intention to call St. Petersburg exclusively LENINGRAD

    how it was
    say, from Leningrad (the word "St. Petersburg" I do not accept)


    Lenin took money from the German General Staff, still need to prove. Okay, let's take it, so what ?!

    And nothing, the country is 20 years behind in development (spy Lenin worked out his money, bravo).
    Let's just say that the country has already paid tribute to Lenin leaving the Leningrad region of Leningrad, and rename the city of Peter into the city of Lenin, to name a person whose identity is at least doubtful. If you are a hard-pressed communist, this is your problem. My opinion is that the city should be named FIRST of its founder, and SECOND in honor of the man who did not throw the country back, but on the contrary strengthened its power and achieved significant results in geopolitical terms.
    ...move on
    Under Lenin, the concept of civil marriage was introduced, and living with several wives (husbands) was also encouraged - this is at least immoral. Only when Stalin came to power did he stop this immoral mess.
    And to compare Peter the Great of the Emperor of the Russian Empire with at least a dark personality and a social decomposer is at least not reasonable.

    PS The author praises the revolution as a blessing, and so I want to tell him: Any revolution carries the seeds of its own destruction, and a rising empire will fall sooner or later.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 26 August 2013 23: 16 New
      -1
      RI lagged behind in development long before Lenin. Of course, it is difficult for you to understand this, but nevertheless it is.
  • michajlo
    michajlo 26 August 2013 10: 50 New
    +6
    Good day to all! The author of the article, Vladimir put a BIG PLUS!
    Yes, many of those who wrote above correctly reproach him for the fact that in his articles he mixes many concepts, but in my opinion he writes or, in your opinion, FANTASIES about the necessary things! If such BOLD plans “not fantasies” were gradually fulfilled, then Russia / the post-USSR with its still HUMAN POTENTIAL would have MUCH FORWARD, rather than catching up with other, more agile and less corrupt ones !!

    I’ll also add from myself, regarding the CRITICISTS, who immediately search in ANY article, Remarks, only ERRORS, dubious statements, DEMAND documentary facts.

    And what is so "do not splash immediately with water and the child!" And choose from the thoughts or suggestions of members of the forum, GOOD IDEAS !?

    By the way, if MANY Authors of Articles, Notes are a wimp, so who is stopping many active critics here on the site from WRITING YOUR ARTICLE better, more precisely than all these "mediocre" ones?

    Regarding documentary facts, especially about old events, which were already 2-4 times RENEWED “for new moments of the then life” (for example, the archives of the CPSU (b), which Khrushchev began to CLEAN, well, after “Gorbi and Co” / EBN / GDP / DAM
    - the devil himself will break his leg in the Soviet archives, where "TRUE document of the era", and where "FALSE on someone’s order."

    And the ideas of the author of the article, to offer TALENTS something to manage, to provide them with OPPORTUNITIES to show their EXCELLENT QUALITIES, are very GOOD and to PLACE!

    Moreover, in case of failure (there will be them), the ENTIRE damage from the implementation of such IDEAS will be much less than from Chubais, reformers, RosNANO and other Kremlin “stealing treasury shops” without criminal liability!
  • locman60
    locman60 26 August 2013 10: 52 New
    +5
    Question. And where did Gorbachev come from? He did not fall from the moon. The system gave birth to him. At his doom. How is this possible?
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 11: 50 New
      +5
      Andropov (what is his surname?) Pulled the one that was marked.
      1. spd2001
        spd2001 26 August 2013 12: 47 New
        0
        Andropov is his native name.
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 26 August 2013 12: 50 New
          -1
          Are you sure? Internet is at hand!
          1. 123123123
            123123123 26 August 2013 13: 00 New
            +4
            not Newton's bin his last name is Fleckenstein
          2. spd2001
            spd2001 26 August 2013 13: 21 New
            0
            This is the name of his mother, the name of his father - Andropov. What is your mother or father's last name? Which one is your own?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 26 August 2013 13: 42 New
              0
              Yes yoksel-moxel, by whom is their nationality transmitted? Father, by the way, is also from there
              1. spd2001
                spd2001 26 August 2013 14: 08 New
                +2
                Do not confuse the surname with nationality. For whom the Jews surname is transferred, this is one, the family name is another. They’ll always knead everything in a heap ... what was the question, such is the answer. A man was born with the surname Andropov, died with her, which means his native Andropov. But no, he’s a Jew, so his surname is Fleckenshtein. This is beyond logic. What is Pushkin’s family name? Who is Pushkin by nationality? By the way, what nationality is Lukashenko?
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 26 August 2013 14: 12 New
                  0
                  Yes, he is Russian, Russian! Everything, the question is closed!
                  1. spd2001
                    spd2001 26 August 2013 15: 36 New
                    0
                    Quote: Den 11
                    Yes, he is Russian, Russian!
                    But this is not a fact. More likely Soviet. ))) I close the question.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 00: 47 New
      +1
      This question has been well thought out and highlighted for a long time. Stalin warned about this, saying that with the construction of socialism the class struggle would intensify. That is why he began to push the party leaders away from the government, and he intended to transfer the power to non-partisan hands (the same Ascension was his successor, and it was the party bosses who set him up and removed). Did not have time. Later, the party leadership in the person of Khrushchev and the subsequent hushed up this issue, took control of the hands and, according to the backlog made under Stalin, lasted until the end of the 80s.

      The Russian anarchist Bakunin also predicted which class could seize power by taking it from the people. It was he who predicted the emergence of the class of partocracy, which would eventually come to power. For the same reason, as I understand it, he quarreled with Engels (by the way, the real creator of Capital) and Marx, even challenged Marx to a duel :)

      Lenin also tried to resolve this issue, seeing an overgrown bureaucratic apparatus. According to his plan, Rabkrin was to follow the bureaucrats. Even acc. There is work on this issue.

      In general, Humpbacked is the same class of party democracy that has usurped power, bought the right people among those who had to follow the state. security. As a result, we got a real coup and seizure of power. After a few more coups occurred, and behind all of them stood these same partocrats. Even now they rule us, turning into a bourgeoisie-oligarchy.

      Yes, the Bolsheviks and Stalinists failed. For us and future generations, science for the future. Perhaps they will be able to create real control of the people over power in the construction of a new Slavic socialist state so that the partyocracy does not spawn and does not carry out such coups.
  • Zhizneslav
    Zhizneslav 26 August 2013 10: 58 New
    +8
    The author expresses his opinion on the direction of development of Russia subject to normal power. Many of the attackers of the commentators are not clear to me, the author expresses the concept of the country's development, I agree with her. With Lenin, this is his personal opinion, it also has the right to be, after all, the historical situation is not unambiguous. Instead of attacks on the article, it would be better if respected commentators proposed a plan to create the initial conditions under which this concept is feasible (that is, how to make power really for the country, what ideology to believe in, and indeed how to make families in Russia large).
  • Glory333
    Glory333 26 August 2013 11: 02 New
    +5
    Who financed the 1917 revolution is a very important question.
    The media blame everything on the Germans, but let’s recall for a second who financed the 1905 revolution — are the Germans also? :) But no, the German Empire was a non-combatant ally of the Russian Empire in 1905 and the revolution was financed by English, American bankers, I won’t be surprised if the French also — this whole campaign and was the main source of funds for the February and October revolutions, German brands were a drop in this stream. Do not believe? Google the reaction of the Western press and Western governments to the overthrow of their ally, the tsarist regime - sheer delight and congratulations.
    Some information "England and France, having changed their allied duty, even before the abdication of Sovereign Nicholas II supported the revolution and officially declared on March 1 through their ambassadors that" they are entering into business relations with the Provisional Executive Committee of the State Duma, the spokesman of the true will of the people and the only legitimate by the interim government of Russia ”Prime Minister Lloyd George in the British parliament“ with a sense of lively joy ”welcomed the overthrow of the Russian Tsar and openly admitted:“ The British government is confident that these events are starting a new era in the history of the world, being the first victory of principles because of whom we started the war ”;“ loud exclamations of approval were heard from all places. ”Commenting on this statement, the English newspaper Daily News described the February Revolution as“ the greatest of all victories so far won by the Allies ... This revolution is an incomparably more important event than victory at the front ""
    1. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 01: 01 New
      0
      Again everything was piled up :( Between the tsar’s renunciation of power, made under the pressure of his closest relatives, and October 1917, there is a fairly long period of time and many important events that led to the power of the Bolsheviks. But this power was taken by the Bolsheviks gradually! There was no particular upheaval The Bolsheviks were elected to the councils of all levels by the people, according to the election procedures of the time, which resulted in dual power - the power of the Soviets and the power of the old institutions of power, which were transferred to the Provisional Government (which, I must say, was itself not registered anywhere as an instrument power;)). And it so happened that the council decides, say, to clear the streets of garbage, and the city or other authorities do not want to do this, so they are forced to do this by local authorities. And the city officers had to obey precisely the advice, because they already had their own armed detachments, as well as the people supported them - they themselves elected. This is also beautifully described in memoirs, including those who later went abroad disagreeing with the Bolsheviks.

      Therefore, in October 1917, the Provisional Government simply did not have any actual power, and all power passed to the Soviets of all levels, and the Bolsheviks and leftist essays had the majority in the Soviets. All. Point. Here is a revolution-revolution. Only a handful of unhappy women stood up in defense of the unnecessary and illegal Provisional Government, who gladly surrendered without a single shot. Surrendered to legitimate authority in the form of advice, I emphasize once again.

      There was no coup as such, you understand. Then they began to puff out their cheeks to show their ardor and significance of the events of one day. And completely in vain, in my opinion.

      February was when the relatives were forced to abdicate the tsar, but there was no other willing to the throne. There were bloody events of 1905, and in October 1917 there wasn’t one :) The Bolsheviks simply came to power by law, and then removed the usurper rudement in the person of the EaP.

      Read English newspapers and bring them as a source? Yeah, convincingly, only as a demonstration of the feces of our long-standing enemy, who a year later happily invaded our land and to whom, therefore, the Russian people, under the leadership of the Bolsheviks, hung noble lyuli;)
  • Troy
    Troy 26 August 2013 11: 26 New
    0
    Quote: optimist
    The author had to give the name Manilov. Ordinary reasoning on the topic: "If my grandmother had a member, she would be a grandfather!". In Russia, nothing will change for the better until the social and political system is changed. And without doing anything, it’s the same as scooping up water from a boat without closing a hole ...

    I agree, but the democratic system can’t be changed in Russia, alas ((( angry
    1. max702
      max702 26 August 2013 12: 24 New
      -1
      There is no democratic way to change power, always someone pays for this way, and after that it takes back the invested funds with interest ..
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 01: 05 New
      0
      This is the main trouble of our country. And this business began from the time of Prince Vladimir, who invited the Svens to war with his own brothers, and then began to slaughter the Russians for disagreeing with his beliefs. And his descendants did the same thing - and fought among themselves, and slaughtered ordinary Slavs. It was not for nothing that the strife and fratricidal wars between the princes became an integral part of Russian history. This is sad. Power should be responsible primarily to its citizens, and therefore, changes should be precisely with the will and permission of the people, for the good of them, as it was in the golden age of the Slavs - until the 9th century.
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach 26 August 2013 11: 29 New
    -1
    Flow of consciousness graphomaniac. He started with Lönen, diluted with an UAZ, finished the software .... but what did he want to say? No, maybe there is a rational thought, but I see a chaotic stream of consciousness. Article minus. The author, I strongly recommend exploring the concepts: "introduction", "main part", "conclusion".
  • Greyjojo
    Greyjojo 26 August 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    The article “nioc” some stream of not quite harmonious consciousness.
    There is no main thought.
    The structure of the article is not.
    The facts are twisted.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 11: 47 New
      0
      Yeah. Nothing at all!
  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 26 August 2013 11: 45 New
    +2
    Well, I don’t know what to say on this article. So are you completely against the bourgeoisie or not at all?
    First we’ll kill the bourgeois or with boots with ribs, and then again we have to do the bourgeois, because someone needs to create industry.
    And here's how to fix it, promises like you’ll forge metal and for this you will be known throughout the country, but look like Svetlakov in the role of a traffic cop, so what?
    Who do you call bourgeois? A person who did not do his job, can not be called successful. But any production is done for money; otherwise, why is it, for example, how to issue a salary? Or promises ?. Or goods, and then go on to come up with barter? Money, whatever one may say, is a universal tool.
    It is necessary to nationalize resources and the defense industry, they belong only to the state - this is a fact.
    And all the rest is impossible.
    You forgot how to pick up matches in the hands of the Union, for example, and x .... b as from such a simple product, you can make such shit.
    About the auto industry it is better not to start songs, the industry killed by the state. UAZ vs MV? By the way, I have one and the other, the topic is clear to me. You can try an unprepared do-it-yourself old UAZ in the winter in Siberia to start, it is better to put 10 in a row, so to speak, to consolidate the experience. Love for the USSR will immediately disappear. And if you recall how it used to be with Soviet oils, hang yourself.
    Probably should go along the Chinese path. I don’t see another.
    1. spd2001
      spd2001 26 August 2013 13: 41 New
      +2
      Allow, so to speak, to "cling" to your post.))) Here, too, I do not understand. In the commentary to the first part, I wrote that I will not yet evaluate the work of the author, since the article caused a double impression. He promised to read the continuation. I read ... I was expecting another, because the life motive of the first part is to take away the revolution, to consolidate and use it, then the second is “foggy”, desires are visible, but the process of fulfillment is incomprehensible. Questions arise, how to make candy from. I agree that my Kulibins need to be supported in every way. And not Kulibin what to do? What before - to plow for a beggarly salary? This part of the material seemed to me without conclusions, the result. Perhaps there will be a continuation. Here again, I can’t put either a plus or a minus.
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 01: 11 New
      0
      Soviet oils of those times are no worse than foreign oils of those times, do not distort. Comparing with modern ones is stupid because in 25 years science has run far ahead. We have had a car in our family since 1970, I grew up in a car and driving, something I also understand. And it was the current state that killed the auto industry (although by all indications it is not a state at all, but ... I won’t write that, otherwise the administration will be offended :)).

      The other way is socialist. The Japanese followed the Stalinist path in the economy and achieved a lot. But we give up our own for the sake of the worst Western, therefore, we are sitting in a z-c.
  • roma-belij
    roma-belij 26 August 2013 11: 56 New
    0
    The proposals are quite sensible, especially if corruption is dealt with first. But I do not agree for Leningrad. Zadolbali to rename everything. Peter (no matter how bad he was considered) founded the city, so let it be called in his honor. The city of St. Peter is better than the unchrist Ulyanov. Moreover, no one touches Ulyanovsk, but he was originally from Simbirsk.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 26 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +5
    Dear patriots, Red and White. Stop chewing on each other. Better look for mutual understanding. None of you are opposed to putting Chubais on Taburetkin. And also remove the star of the Hero from Kadyrov and the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called from Brokeback. Stop blackening our country. Reds blacken everything that was before 1917, White blackens the Soviet period, marsh blacks EVERYTHING! What was, what is and what will be. But the Chinese Communists do not blacken the imperialist past of their country. Think it over. soldier
    1. My address
      My address 26 August 2013 13: 21 New
      +1
      Clever.The text is said to be short. All right, still. Good girl.
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 August 2013 13: 47 New
        0
        How aboutto evaluate history effectively? This is a question for you personally!
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 26 August 2013 15: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: Den 11
          "How to objectively evaluate history? This is a question for you personally!"


          It is very simple, who survived, he gave his assessment.

          "White came-rob, red came-rob ..."

          And the Trotskyists came with the Latvian arrows - they killed everyone,
          the rest in concentration camps, where they tortured to death.
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 26 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +1
    A kind of "cicero"!
    Tsar d ... k (p ... k), Lenin, well done!
    This is to the wall, these ramps (by the way, many are really needed), and Russia is powerful, rich and happy!
    All go on Gelendvagen! laughing
    Volutarvery, However! wassat
    An attempt to bring to the "consciousness of the masses" the most complex problems of the development of society in a dilettante-redneck manner.
  • Isk1984
    Isk1984 26 August 2013 12: 16 New
    +3
    Without Lenin, many here probably walked in bast shoes and bowed to the gentlemen in different directions ..., Stalin himself always said that he was a loyal Leninist, ... he probably knew what he was saying ... If not for Lenin and the CPSU ( b) then Russia would soon have a fate like that of Avsro-Hungary ... would fall apart and everything and no constituent assembly would save ...
    The scale of his foxes is huge in the history of the country.
    1. krpmlws
      krpmlws 26 August 2013 14: 58 New
      +1
      And if any of the white generals took power, Kornilov for example?
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 26 August 2013 15: 02 New
        +2
        Kornilov is not Kolchak for you. I think it would be worse if I didn’t. Although you can talk for a long time ...
      2. Day 11
        Day 11 26 August 2013 15: 09 New
        0
        For example, I believe that the best option at that time (stalemate) was the power of the Constituent Assembly! Form and K * just took advantage of this mess
  • pinecone
    pinecone 26 August 2013 12: 21 New
    -3
    Lenin is a brilliant destroyer, and as for the name "city on the Neva", it would be best to name it as it was called from 1914 to 1924. - PETROGRAD.
  • OLGRIN
    OLGRIN 26 August 2013 12: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: pinecone
    Lenin is a brilliant destroyer, and as for the name "city on the Neva", it would be best to name it as it was called from 1914 to 1924. - PETROGRAD.

    Petrograd - I also like the word more, but St. Petersburg is our story.
  • Fin
    Fin 26 August 2013 12: 27 New
    +1
    one of the readers too unflattering responded to my intention to call St. Petersburg exclusively LENINGRAD. The fact that Lenin took money from the German General Staff still needs to be proved (more precisely, it’s not necessary, we’ll wallow in literary criticism).

    Set money aside.
    So what did he do to have a city named after him. Almost the entire period was in exile, wrote articles. Then the Germans suggested that they further demolish the country and liquidate the eastern front for them, which he kindly agreed to. Feeling the weakness of the VR government seized power. Here you can’t refuse his political instinct - he was at the right time in the right place.
    He formed a government and further under his leadership the looting of the country began: concessions for gold and oil production, etc. Then illness and death. In fact, as a leader, he did not have time to prove himself. Type: Sorry, men, I’ve broken firewood here, and you rake it.
    I am not a Stalinist, but all the merits in raising the country belong to him. He took the country with a plow, and left it with an atomic bomb.
    Last about Leningrad. Does it matter that the second most important city in the country is called in German. And about the scumbag Peter, I promise to write to you, so that your eyes and ears are rinsed.

    Peter's contribution to the strengthening and development of the state is known. If you write an article about him, then please, in comparison with the "great" Lenin. Take a sheet, draw a line in the center and write: Formation of the state. On the left what Lenin did, on the right what Peter and so on. And we read on the site, express an opinion.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 12: 37 New
      0
      Yes, for one "Oktopnaya Pravda" he should have been quartered! S-ka, he spread out the army!
    2. Uhe
      Uhe 27 August 2013 01: 14 New
      0
      But one Western researcher called Peter 1 the first Bolshevik;)
  • reader1964
    reader1964 26 August 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    I think that from the very beginning our country was unlucky with the authorities. Each ruler, starting with Prince Vladimir, tried in his own way to build a state, with the help of a sword, etc. how many people were killed when they united the principalities into a state, when they imposed a new faith, when they expanded their borders. heads flew with a change of power, and the former ruler, and his family, and close. So it’s a tradition to shoot royal families, and not only in Russia. I don’t know why they still haven’t dragged Lenin out of the mausoleum, and they don’t dance on Yeltsin’s grave. They probably have become cultural, or maybe the blood has already drunk to the full. As for the economy, nothing will come of it. Since most have long forgotten how to make money, they are used to getting paid. All ideas pour in from above and are not perceived by people in any way, but what is born in the mass, all the best ideas, runs into an impenetrable wall of bureaucratic acts. So we won’t live up to a “change for the better.” And I can’t find another two questions: why did the States build a super-powerful economy from scratch in 200 years, and we try to extend our agony for 1000 years, and why the Japanese after the war yen could raise from 300 to 90 for $, and we can only erase zeros from banknotes, calling it the beautiful word "denomination".
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 27 August 2013 02: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: reader1964
      "... I can’t find the answer: why the States for 200 years from scratch built a super-powerful economy ..."



      How rich the Americans are.

      "America has grown the most rich during World War II:
      On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania.
      Together with them left the country and the Polish gold reserve.
      Soon, Polish gold was in France. Then in France for a short period it turned out that the gold of defeated Belgium
      in large quantities imported to Belgium from the Congo before the war.
      On June 14, 1940, the Germans entered Paris, and on the 19th, Brest left the newly built French battleship Richelieu.
      On June 23, the battleship arrived safely on the shores of French Senegal ...
      ... In the holds of the battleship was the gold of Poland, Belgium, part of the gold of the Netherlands, and most importantly, the gold reserve of the French National Bank, which amounted to 1940 billion 2 million dollars at the end of May 477 - the largest in interwar Europe.
      Until November 1942, the Richelieu calmly stood off the coast of French Senegal. True, on July 4, 1940, the so-called Mers-El-Kebir incident occurred. The British, who two weeks ago were allies of France, unexpectedly attacked the French ships stationed at the naval base of Mers El Kebir in Algeria. As a result of the shelling, carried out by the guns of the English battleships “Barham” and “Resolution,” the French lost several battleships, as well as 1230 people killed, 310 missing and 311 wounded.
      On November 8, 1942, American troops landed in Dakar.
      The Richelieu received new injuries that day: five hits of sixteen-inch shells fired from the American battleship Massachusetts caused an explosion of loaded guns in the upper right half-tower.
      On January 30, 1943, the Americans took Richelieu to New York ...
      Gold was in the hands of the Americans and migrated from the battleship holds to the Fort Knox vaults.
      http://www.anaga.ru/2/4/KAk-razbogatela-America.htm

      And more about the activities of the Americans.

      "A complete list of all war crimes of the United States of America."
      http://oko-planet.su/oko-planet/politik/politiklist/71678-polnyy-spisok-vseh-voe

      nnyh-prestupleniy-soedinennyh-shtatov-ameriki.html

      US Congress Act 86-90 (1959):
      "The United States should strive to dismember the Soviet monster into 22 states." Among them, besides Ukraine, Belarus and other republics of the Union, Siberia, the Far East, the Urals are named ...
      The law has not been repealed so far.
      http://www.usinfo.ru/rossijaindex.htm
  • user
    user 26 August 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    Well, I would be careful with the statement, in the sense that almost all of the characters listed are already history, even Yeltsin. And to kick the dead, even if not Leo, well, these are all emotions.
    It’s just that in modern Russia, the current establishment is only interested in money and power, although power always interests everyone and even (even the Communists). But in history there are only those who, in addition to power and money, have done something for the country (well, if you want a homeland or empire).
    Recently I went and listened to the taxi driver’s speech, well, this is a masterpiece (Russian mentality), he reasoned rumor that Alexander Menshchikov also stole a lot, but at the same time he became the Generalissimo who deservedly won this title with blood and sweat.
    So Pipl understands everything perfectly and really appreciates each “Leader” and you can’t hang a lot of noodles on his ears.
    So with the people, I'm sorry for the arrogance we were lucky. . .
  • gena7777777
    gena7777777 26 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +3
    They destroyed the army quickly, but to recreate it in a new way is a very long and costly process. The question is, why are those who have killed this army not convicted?
  • AK-47
    AK-47 26 August 2013 12: 37 New
    +2
    Yes, do not care if they do not have higher education (remember the same Kalashnikov, who assembled an unsurpassed machine gun without any university education).

    Here the author is wrong, without knowledge of the fundamentals of design - the theory of machines and mechanisms, sopromat, metal science and much, much more nothing can be created, it will fall apart right away, and the trial and error method is not constructive. And the case with Kalashnikov is not appropriate.
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 12: 43 New
      +3
      Exactly. This bike firmly stuck in the brain!
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 26 August 2013 12: 38 New
    +3
    Actually, Gelenvagen is the brainchild of the Austrian company Steyr, which Daimler-Benz bought and saved from bankruptcy. And the GAZ "TIGERS" are available in civilian versions, but are not in demand. This is TIGER Konchalovsky
  • avd
    avd 26 August 2013 12: 38 New
    +6
    A little clarification.
    About programmers (and not only)
    Enthusiastic, talented people are organically unable to work 8 hours a day.
    In the early 80s, after spending 2-3 pairs in the morning (at VVIA), then I worked on numerical models (aerodynamics, turbulence - let’s say, generally).
    So my fellow colleagues often realized that damn it, the passage to the metro at one o’clock was closing, and there was still a run-up to it ...

    Current (enthusiastic) - the same, no worse. I know.

    Only for the loot to work bored. And it's a shame.

    And for the idea ... for the time being there are no ideas (except for being rich and healthy after all - yes, it is better - but it does not pull on the idea)
  • falcon
    falcon 26 August 2013 12: 46 New
    +6
    A few words about the "City on the Neva." This city was named Tsar Peter not in his honor, but in honor
    His Heavenly Patron Saint Peter.
  • labendik
    labendik 26 August 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    How did other countries without October and Ilyich cease to be bastard, and how far did they finally furnish us? And this is without huge, unnecessary victims. Burn to your Ilyich with his codla !!!
  • saag
    saag 26 August 2013 13: 17 New
    -3
    I expected that the continuation will touch upon systemic issues, as it was announced in the first part, what I saw disappointed me, some superficial judgment on the change in the situation of the country having a very distant relationship.
    Quote: bulvas
    And what else did Lenin invent?

    NEP is a new economic policy, Lenin realized that you won’t be fed up with military communism, so he went on easing the course, this allowed industry and the peasantry to start rising after the war, but in the end this business was covered by the faithful Leninist Comrade Stalin and started a collectivization policy with its distortions and casualties
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 August 2013 13: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Quote: bulvas
      And what else did Lenin invent?
      NEP - New Economic Policy


      And what is new in this policy? And what exactly did he come up with?
      Allow private initiative?
      Really a genius.

      Thief he and the killer
  • saag
    saag 26 August 2013 13: 39 New
    -2
    Quote: bulvas
    Allow private initiative?

    It was precisely in the NEP that there was an encouragement of private initiative, comrade Stalin destroyed it
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 26 August 2013 14: 01 New
      +1
      As you can’t understand, HE built SOCIALISM where there is no place for oppression of the working masses! And the NEP is a return to the past. Yes, for some period of time it was necessary. But when the country began to rise from the ruins ...
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 26 August 2013 14: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Just in the NEP was the promotion of private initiative,


      Do you want to say that this was invented by the genius of Lenin?
  • saag
    saag 26 August 2013 14: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Den 11
    As you can’t understand, HE built SOCIALISM where there is no place for the oppression of the working masses! And the NEP is a return to the past. Yes, for some period of time it was necessary

    Actually, the goal was to build communism, but in one sentence you yourself answered why it was needed.
    Quote: bulvas
    Do you want to say that this was invented by the genius of Lenin?

    And that too
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 26 August 2013 14: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: saag
      Quote: bulvas
      Do you want to say that this was invented by the genius of Lenin?
      And that too


      those. Do you think that before Lenin there was no private initiative?
      still wondering what else Lenin came up with?
  • poccinin
    poccinin 26 August 2013 14: 21 New
    +3
    look at the site --- "made by us" factories and factories are being built. production of machinery. pipe products. everything is. it’s a shame to live in RUSSIA and say wai-wai everything is bad everything was gone. There is a version that if there were a king on the throne. the Germans would not have reached Moscow. and maybe there would have been no war. but what is what is.