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Five Years of Independence

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Five years ago, Russia recognized the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. During this time, power has changed in Sukhum, Tskhinval and Tbilisi, and there have been changes in relations with the Russian Federation. The Kommersant correspondents OLGA KHALENOVA and LANA KARATASTAEVA found out whether the tension in the conflict zone has decreased today and what gave Russian recognition to Abkhazia and South Ossetia.


"Money quickly ran out"

In Sukhum five years after the Russian recognition, there is much less talk about military threats from Tbilisi - the border with Georgia is guarded jointly by border guards of the Russian Federation and Abkhazia. "The key problem of the physical security of the Abkhaz people has been resolved," the Deputy Foreign Minister of Abkhazia Irakli Khintba told Kommersant. The leader of the public movement "Aarua" Daur Achugba also calls the Russian-Abkhaz treaty on the joint protection of the border with Georgia "a major achievement." And he considers not the security, but the financial interaction with Russia, to be the main topic of concern for the Abkhaz today.

Since 2010, the Russian Federation has been channeling funds to Abkhazia for the implementation of a comprehensive plan to promote the social and economic development of the republic. In two years, more than 16 billion rubles were allocated, and in 2012, the implementation of the plan should have been completed. However, in spring, the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation carried out an inspection and came to the conclusion: the plan was completed only by half. The Abkhazian opposition states: it is failed because of corruption.

15 August Abkhaz President Alexander Ankvab met with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin - in Abkhazia, they are convinced that it was about allocating funds to complete construction in Abkhazia. However, no money has yet been received in the republic, which creates a tense atmosphere there. “The budget has been exhausted, huge debts to the builders, debts to state employees appeared, all because the construction was inefficient,” said United Abkhazia’s opposition member Nadir Bitiev. “Schools and kindergartens are beautiful, but they are very expensive for Abkhazia. No wonder the money ran out quickly. "


The main achievement of the last five years, the Abkhaz believe that the border with Georgia is now guarded by Russian border guards.


The lack of funding from Moscow put the Abkhaz authorities in a difficult situation and exacerbated the internal political contradictions that were laid down in the 2011 presidential elections of the year. Then the former power official Alexander Ankvab came to power, although there were rumors that Moscow would prefer to see Foreign Minister Sergei Shamba in this post. However, the Kremlin did not intervene in the election.

The fact that relations between Moscow and Sukhum were tense started talking in May when Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu visited Abkhazia, but did not meet with its leadership. This could be explained by the situation with the military sanatoriums in Sukhum - last year the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was forced to abandon them because of a conflict with the authorities of Abkhazia. But the Abkhaz opposition made its findings, announcing a cooling between Moscow and Sukhum. In June, the pro-government United Abkhazia went into opposition, depriving the executive branch of party support. The political council of the party called the actions of the current leadership of the republic "threatening national security", and foreign policy - "inert and ineffective." “Since 2011, no state has recognized us,” complains Nadir Bitiev. “The authorities have ceased to pay attention to the image of Abkhazia, they are only engaged in construction. In relations with the Russian Federation, there has been a marked cooling. Financing has stopped.”

In July, four opposition parties and five public organizations united in the Coordinating Council of the Opposition (CSR). On August 16, at a rally in Gudauta, CSR adopted a programmatic statement in which it announced a crisis in the republic. In essence, the enslaving of the Abkhazian government puts enslaving dependence on the Russian budget. The opposition says it would not want a revolution. The authorities hint that the opposition has rallied for a coup and that its main goal is to force the republic’s leadership to leave. But they both admit that Abkhazia was in a serious political and economic crisis.

"We have a national depression"

There is no money in South Ossetia today either - Moscow did not transfer the promised tranche. Construction work, like in Abkhazia, is carried out in debt - at the expense of contractors. In Tskhinval much reminds of the war we have experienced - destroyed houses, streets, roads. Here, too, they talk about security as a key achievement of recent years. But they immediately make a reservation: for five years they got used to safety, but they are tired of devastation.


In Tskhinval much reminds of the war


“Today we have a national depression,” says Irina Gagloeva, head of the Ir media center. “People don’t believe in themselves or in leadership or external forces. There is no activity, the republic lives by inertia. We don’t actually have an economy. And this is another problem we are not developing a civil society. "

According to many experts and politicians, the lack of economic activity is associated with financial dependence on the Russian Federation - Moscow gives money for construction and rehabilitation, but stimulating the economy is not included in these plans. And South Ossetia has not yet learned how to make money on its own - many years of devastation and a dead-end geopolitical situation affect, when trade is possible only with the Russian Federation, which has not yet introduced incentives for the transport of goods for local entrepreneurs.

All this intensifies the split in society. “In the face of the threat from Georgia, the society was more united, and now, when security is guaranteed by the Russian Federation, the society is divided,” says the head of the parliamentary committee on youth policy, Sergei Zaseev. “A huge number of political parties contribute to this. Their programs are similar. People they just use parties as a means to get into power. " Parliamentary elections in South Ossetia will be held in 2014, but already today 15 parties are registered in the republic.

Since the beginning of summer, a difficult situation has developed on the border with Georgia - from South Ossetia, it has been demarcated: border guards install border posts, and according to the Georgian side, barbed wire. “The separation takes place in the settlements in which Georgians live,” complains Paata Zakareishvili, Georgia’s reintegration minister. “After installing barbed-wire poles, residents of one village often find themselves on both sides of the so-called border.” According to Mr. Zakareishvili, the Russian side is building border fortifications to prevent the "inevitable integration of South Ossetia and Georgia."


On the day of recognition of the Russian Federation of Abkhazia and South Ossetia 26 August 2008, the residents of these republics had high expectations


“We have repeatedly appealed to the Georgian side in order to create a commission for the delimitation and demarcation of the border, but the Georgian authorities do not react to our appeals,” says Foreign Minister of South Ossetia, David Sanakoev, saying to Kommersant. “We don’t go beyond a meter the border with Georgia. The Russian border guards do not make any unauthorized transfers. We have no information that the border is divided by some Georgian villages. Barbed wire passes through the territory of our republic. "

“The actions of the Russian Federation in the Tskhinvali region are incomprehensible for us,” Georgian Defense Minister Irakli Alasania said in his turn to Kommersant. “But we understand that reacting by force means further complicating the situation. This policy damages Russia's image, and Georgia gives us the opportunity to show once again that we are politically ripe. "

In Georgia, where, five years after the war, they are still convinced that Russia planned it, and Mikhail Saakashvili "succumbed to provocation," nevertheless they believe that now with the change of power (President Saakashvili leaves his post in October) , Tbilisi will have a chance to negotiate with the Abkhaz and Ossetians. However, Foreign Minister of South Ossetia David Sanakoev and Deputy Foreign Minister of Abkhazia Irakli Khintba assured “Kommersant”: the chances of normal relations with Georgia can appear only after Tbilisi recognizes the independence of these republics (see the details in the new issue of Vlast magazine).
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  1. erased
    erased 26 August 2013 16: 00
    16
    The attitude towards Russians in Abkhazia and South Ossetia was well written in "Komsomolskaya Pravda".
    "Brotherly" peoples are not very happy about "brothers" from the north when it comes to houses, land and money. Not everything is as pastoral there as some would like ...
    1. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 26 August 2013 18: 14
      +2
      It should have been left in a "suspended" state, but the loot. They threw a lot of money there, and they are in Moscow, and they want to buy us Russians. Where are they? DON'T BE SURPRISED THAT AFTER 5 YEARS Moscow will turn into Asia. They are all over the world. They dishonor us. For this and ransom. If not, correct !.
  2. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 26 August 2013 16: 02
    +9
    Something the author wrote on an minor note, the Georgians pulled here again-I WOULD LIKE THE OSSETIANS AND ABKHAZIS TO LISTEN TO THIS TOPIC. The Komsomol member is a yellow newspaper and they will write anything there for the sensation.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 26 August 2013 16: 10
      +5
      Nine former South Ossetian ministers put on international wanted list for embezzlement

      The President of South Ossetia said that former senior officials of the republic were put on the international wanted list on suspicion of embezzlement of funds allocated for recovery after the Georgian military aggression.
      “In total, nine senior officials of the republic — these are ministers and deputy ministers who worked in the republic — are put on the international wanted list,” Leonid Tibilov told reporters.
      According to him, more than 70 criminal cases were instituted on the facts of theft. Leonid Tibilov emphasized that “basically the citizens of Russia are the defendants in these criminal cases, and the cases were sent to the Russian prosecutor’s office.”
      “Now our prosecutor general’s office and the prosecutor’s general’s office of the Russian Federation have begun to jointly conduct and investigate all the circumstances of misuse and embezzlement of the funds that were addressed to the people of the republic,” the president of the republic said.
      South Ossetia continues to recover from the tragic events of the 2008 year. Then, on the night of August 8, Georgia subjected Tskhinval to a massive shelling, after which it made an attempt to capture South Ossetia. Active hostilities lasted until August 12. Soon, the presidents of Russia, South Ossetia, Abkhazia and Georgia signed a plan for a peaceful settlement of the conflict. Ten days later, Russia officially recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia as independent states.
      According to Russian Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov, the reasons for the entry of Russian troops were Georgia’s aggression against the territories of South Ossetia not controlled by it and as a result - the outcome of the 30 region of thousands of refugees, as well as the death of Russian peacekeepers and many residents of South Ossetia. The actions of the Georgian army against civilians in South Ossetia Lavrov called genocide.

      http://russian.rt.com/article/14442
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 26 August 2013 19: 09
        +3
        Quote: Apollon
        Nine former South Ossetian ministers declared international search for theft

        And what about corruption (theft) in China?
        They are there - unmeasured.
        You can’t keep track of everyone.
        But the state, nevertheless, is developing ...
        What, do not steal?
        How so? They succeed, but not ours ...
        what
        1. alone
          alone 26 August 2013 20: 37
          +4
          but there is one no.tam corrupt officials hang.
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 26 August 2013 23: 49
        +2
        Actually, I believe that in Abkhazia our government defended the interests of the Russian oligarchs (something like a gas pipe or bought out factories and land). The Abkhaz people themselves (their well-being) are of little interest to anyone, including and Georgia. The proof is the installation in Abkhazia of an illegitimate government (not elected by the people).
        This is my personal opinion, as a citizen living in the Russian Federation. In no case do not diminish the courage of our soldiers and officers honestly fulfilling their duty.
    2. Reasonable, 2,3
      Reasonable, 2,3 26 August 2013 18: 46
      -1
      They will write, do not hesitate. The editing will be in Anglo-Saxon versions.
  3. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 August 2013 16: 13
    12
    I would not want to offend anyone, but all this is very cool reminiscent of the bike "Auntie, give me a drink, but that is, I want so much that there is no one to spend the night with."
    We defended you, friends, to protect you, but to feed you forever - we did not subscribe to this. Moreover, the previous tranches of the Russian dough were successfully "cut down".
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 26 August 2013 19: 51
      +4
      Quote: Stiletto
      We defended you, friends, to protect you, but to feed you forever - we did not subscribe to this. Moreover, the previous tranches of the Russian dough were successfully "cut down".

      They put them on their own neck. Take loans, build tourist zones, they are not offended by the nature of the republic. And then independence from Georgia is perceived as a freebie and an opportunity to steal.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 26 August 2013 16: 17
    +6
    that after the collapse of the USSR, so many independent denyuzhku ask. units from Europe, and the rest from Moscow. so go into submission on the rights of republics and districts. otherwise they want to eat a fish and ... well, then how do most of them know
  5. bubla5
    bubla5 26 August 2013 16: 26
    +1
    There is no control in Russia, but they want everything there to be openwork, the time of thieves is the same in Africa.
  6. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 26 August 2013 16: 28
    14
    After 2008, our region also participated in the restoration of South Ossetia. In particular, a whole village of prefabricated houses was built at the expense of our budget, of course. Standard 3-room house with all amenities. The locals refused to live in them. They only demanded money. And more. Abkhazian tangerines are one and a half to two times more expensive than Turkish and Moroccan ones. The quality is different. Therefore, I do not believe all these "laments of Yaroslavna" by definition.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 26 August 2013 16: 31
      +9
      There was a case. Do you remember the theme with roofs? When they "mastered funds", installing roofs on buildings that can only be allowed to be demolished.
  7. IRBIS
    IRBIS 26 August 2013 16: 35
    10
    Got independence (Russian bayonets). Build their own state (on Russian money). They are outraged that they don’t transfer money and that they don’t transfer too much! These are the numbers! Have you tried to work yourself? Money, in fact, is earned, but not received by mail. The question arises: why did we also need this hemorrhoids with feeding and subsidizing of new states? For that kind of money, it was possible to solve the problem of housing for young families in any region of Russia and raise the demography.
  8. Vtel
    Vtel 26 August 2013 16: 49
    +7
    That’s the fate of mother’s Russia - everyone milks her, including the far west, and everyone hayut, including those whom she protects. A mind without faith is evil.
    1. Suhov
      Suhov 26 August 2013 18: 51
      0
      Quote: Vtel
      That’s the fate of mother’s Russia - everyone milks her, including the far west, and everyone hayut, including those whom she protects.
      A mind without faith is evil.

      "Mind without faith is crafty" - did not understand what, see hefty abstruse ...
      And you - "+". yes
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 August 2013 17: 03
    13
    Quote: Vtel
    That’s the fate of mother’s Russia - everyone milks her, including the far west, and everyone hayut, including those whom she protects. A mind without faith is evil.


    At the same time, which is characteristic, they cut Russian Russians in their Caucasus and Central Asia, and then safely moved to live ... with the Russians. That is, living with Russians is bad, but is it good in Russia? So how does it work?

    PS I'm not specifically talking about Abkhazia now - about the Caucasus in a broader sense. For I have no idea where those aunties, wrapped from head to toe in headscarves and shawls, come from, whose conversation I unwittingly overheard yesterday in the minibus. One, obviously from the "old-timers" (a year or two is already acquired here), asks the newcomer:
    -Well, how do you like it in Russia?
    -Well, well, basically, I like it, only a lot of Russians ...
  10. Renat
    Renat 26 August 2013 17: 06
    +2
    Do the respected members of the forum remember EBN's speech on central TV when he was the president of the country about the money aimed at restoring Chechnya? I will not say that I will precisely quote his words, but it sounded like this: "We have allocated Nos. Rubles to Chechnya, we have received Nos. Rubles, the rest where, I DON'T KNOW." In general, history repeats itself.
  11. Stiletto
    Stiletto 26 August 2013 17: 24
    +9
    Quote: IRBIS
    Have you tried to work yourself?


    THEY ARE? WORK? Well, what are you ... After the first Chechen conflict, then bashfully called a "local conflict", local authorities, representatives of the employment service, officials of the regional government came to the "place of temporary residence of refugees" on the territory of, among other things, the former elite Soviet pioneer camp. An unhealthy conflict was brewing: there was a letter from the "refugees" upstairs that they were being infringed here, they were not allowed to work, they would not be provided with housing, etc.
    By the way, the most curious dialogues were.
    Only one aunts of the TFR were present at the meeting - and not a single man. All dressed up, in gold, well, you. Galdel, like pheasants.
    They rolled out a list of vacancies, they got acquainted with a squeamish look. Is this, they say, work? Our men for 7 TR they won’t go to the sawmill. Watchmen, stokers, janitors - even more so.
    “Well, why, they are told, are our men working there for the money?”
    “Well, then yours,” they answer.
    - Well, the representative of the employment service tells them in response. With vacancies for men, we really have a lot of stress. But for women - as much as you want! We need doctors, teachers, light industry workers, cooks to school, cashier salespeople.
    There was generally a bad silence in the hall. After an awkward pause, Caucasian women popularly explained to Russian fools from social protection that women did not work for them at all, NOT ACCEPTED.

    So they fed them from the budget, while they didn’t leave for rich relatives.
  12. MUZGAZETA
    MUZGAZETA 26 August 2013 17: 29
    -1
    / Five years ago, Russia recognized the independence of Abkhazia ... / http: //topwar.ru/32354-pyatiletka-nezavisimosti.html

    September 30 - Victory Day and Independence Day of the Republic of Abkhazia
    August 26 - Independence Day (recognition) of the Republic of Abkhazia
    Dedicated to the people of the Republic of Abkhazia

    My country is the backbone of the sacrament! ..

    I keep you with cordial power! ..

    I idolize the native Caucasus! ..

    For the holiness of friendly eyes! ..

    For the loyalty of relatives and friends! ..

    For the bloodiness of the days lived in it! ..

    For faithfulness of expectation in tears! ..

    And a bright day in business! ..

    Rejoice, Abkhazia! .. Rejoice! ..

    We are celebrating! .. Adversity has passed! ..

    Together today - me and you! ..

    We crown the banner - the face of freedom! ..

    Your mighty eagles! ..

    They folded their heads in flight! ..

    For the honor of his native Apsny! ..

    For the long-awaited hour of freedom! ..

    I love you my fatherland! ..

    And with pain I see trouble in person! ..

    But you sing with me like old! ..

    Grief, fixed in polyphony! ..

    We need to remember holy to all! ..

    That there is no earth in the world more beautiful! ..

    Praise be to you, my Apsny! ..

    You seem to divine provide everyone! ..

    The heroic spirit of all military days! ...

    May it become more joyful and more beautiful!

    Inspiring confidence in becoming people! ..

    And the whole country - Apsny our whole! ..

    Her glorification of victories! ..

    In the shelves of the brave knights! ..

    May it become a part of our days! ..

    And exalts - our valor! ..

    And let the enemy remember the day and the hour! ..

    In which we rejoice! ..

    Cunningly sees our proud banner! ..

    And it will bestow awareness! ..

    Your zealous steps! ..

    Angry force reflection! ..

    So that you don’t have to add again ...

    Their standards in the battles ...

    © MUZGAZETANOVOSIBIRSK
    © derjavaklub
    © informspecnaz
    © MUZJURNALSOVREMENNIK
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 27 August 2013 14: 23
      0
      Quote: MUZGAZETA

      Rejoice, Abkhazia! .. Rejoice! ..

      We are celebrating! .. Adversity has passed! ..
      The impression that Abkhazia has coped with Georgia itself can itself recover?
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 August 2013 17: 52
    -2
    Do not get fooled by the guys on provocations like "Enough to feed ..." When our ancestors conquered these territories for us, they also "fed" built fortresses, cities, factories .. fought ... Now like many former independent and what ??? liberal slogans .. So you can agree to Moscow (Russia) on the ring trenches and pillboxes ..
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 26 August 2013 18: 21
      +6
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Do not get fooled by the guys on provocations like "Stop feeding ..."

      Mikhan, here, as it were, the difference between an individual state and a region within Russia is obvious. Let friendly, even satellite. But they need to learn how to live, build, feed themselves.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 26 August 2013 18: 57
      +7
      Whoever dines with the girl dances her. If the local government cannot decide anything without Russia, then the Russian administration should be established.
    3. IGS
      IGS 26 August 2013 20: 34
      +3
      Nobody talks about what is in vain, what we did 5 years ago, incl. and material assistance, it was necessary, maybe just from a purely human point of view. The reaction of the local authorities is surprising, they took it for granted, and began to ask for more. None of them (I repeat, no one) wanted to choose the path of joining Russia, the path of independence was immediately chosen, it was not even announced about the possibility of such a scenario in the future (at first, of course, Russia would have definitely been devoured by the liberals, but 5 years have passed, the aggression of Georgia, etc. was recognized at the international level, and this despite the fact that 80% of "citizens" (why in quotes, I hope, it is clear, a citizen is OBLIGED to protect the interests of his country) Russia ?. When there was a daily threat of aggression from Georgia, the attitude towards us was completely different, including Russian business, now, alas, everything has changed, Russian businessmen are simply squeezed out, they lose money, first of all, investments in the restoration of the resort area. I think that the tranches stopped, precisely because of this. And at the household level ... who went on vacation, they say, a lot has changed over the past year or two. Prices have risen, more reproaches that Russia does not want help Th, does not open the border, supports thieves ... however, for now, with a proviso: thanks to Russia for what she defended then. "They are accustomed to safety, but tired of the devastation ..." Maybe in another way they are accustomed to LIFE, but I don't want to work. The devastation must be restored by themselves, without selling tangerines, for which only minimal care is needed, unlike, for example, grapes, and working, in this case, tirelessly, otherwise tirelessly, only pull them with the words: "GIVE! " If you can't earn money yourself, LET'S LET RUSSIAN BUSINESS! But they don't want that either. So, it is simply necessary to adjust our economic policy in this region, and the authorities need to decide what is more important to pay a young family in Tambov the maternity capital for which they will buy a house after 2016, or to give money to ANOTHER COUNTRY, whatever they do there on them.
      1. Geokingxnumx
        Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 20: 41
        -1
        Quote: IGS
        s, but 5 years passed, Georgia’s aggression was internationally recognized

        something I don’t remember) when recognized?
        Quote: IGS
        this despite the fact that 80% are "citizens" (

        giving out passports of the so-called US without the consent of Georgia (before the warriors) is a violation and were declared fakes (except for those who received in Russia about not in the territory of Georgia)!
        1. IGS
          IGS 26 August 2013 20: 49
          +3
          I went to google in order to prove that you started and recognized ... and then decided, and why? I ask, maybe YOURS did not kill OUR peacekeepers? And in my opinion, Georgia, there’s nothing to do, we’ll figure it out ourselves, maybe something is wrong in our relations, BUT IT DOESN’t affect Georgia. We will figure it out ourselves. AND YOU CAN MINUS ON. Your minus is not mine.
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 21: 14
            -1
            Quote: IGS
            AND YOU CAN MINUS ON

            I do not minus respected! if I minus then I say this
            Quote: IGS
            I went to google in order to prove that you started and recognized ... and then decided, and why?

            ok well done) I just asked if you can’t find just tell me! no one did not recognize)
            Quote: IGS
            I ask, maybe YOURS did not kill OUR peacekeepers?

            Georgian peacekeepers 6-7 Augusta died before your peacekeepers! 1-2 August when the Georgian Police car was shot there, the Rosiiski peacekeeper (I don’t remember the name of the chief) said that we can’t contour the Ossetians (separatists)! and isho
            And in this case, of course, I believe that Russia should, of course, very quickly respond to such a blow - rapid response units should have been introduced within a few hours. Moreover, your peacekeepers, peacekeepers of your side, who are in this region, are also beaten by tanks. We will now leave aside even the question that these peacekeepers ceased to be peacekeepers from the moment they let the Ossetian spotter of artillery fire into their barracks.

            http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/439106.html


            Quote: IGS
            ? And in my opinion, Georgia, there’s nothing to do, we’ll figure it out ourselves, maybe something is wrong in our relations, BUT IT DOES NOT CONCERN GEORGIA

            This is your opinion of other people), but I think that everything that happens in Abkhazia concerns Georgia, as US! and these territories were recognized by Georgia in Russia until 26 August 2008 year!

            Everyone has their own truth, and everyone loves their country!
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 26 August 2013 21: 56
              +4
              Quote: GEOKING95
              Everyone has their own truth, and everyone loves their country!

              You don’t have the truth, they wrote it to you at the Pentagon and is writing it. Starting from Lisa Shevarnadze and ending with Saakodebiloid from Georgia towards Russia, one bile and spitting ..
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 23: 24
                0
                Quote: Tersky
                You don’t have the truth, they wrote it to you at the Pentagon and is writing it.

                Dear news about military action, or about the war you learned on 8 of August! you didn’t follow carefully, but I did! Both sides are lying and hiding something!
                Quote: Tersky
                Starting from Lisa Shevarnadze

                they saved you in Sukhum and you know who? :) Russian special forces Alpha led by Mr. Shoigu!

                Quote: Tersky
                Saakodebiloid from Georgia towards Russia, one bile and spitting ..

                and from Yeltsin will remind me? Russian attack aircraft that bombed Georgians in Abkhazia? BASAEV and GALAEV and their gang, which were armed! Armed All Abkhazians Bagramyants Chechens Cossacks! Mercenary Russian soldiers (former Afghans)! Cossacks who offered help to Georgia for money! refused, went to fight against us! or Peace Agreement (and Russia was the Guarantor of Peace) Where the Georgians were supposed to take out heavy military equipment from Abkhazia and were supposed to peacefully! But they violated the so-called Abkhazi and stormed Sukhumi and took it for 1-2 weeks! and Russia did not say anything) For that Shevardnadze was saved and helped them in the Civil War!
            2. Avenger711
              Avenger711 26 August 2013 23: 20
              +1
              You leaked - be silent.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 23: 59
                +2
                Quote: Avenger711
                You leaked - be silent.

                It leaked you) think Russia won the Warrior? no loser! like Georgia! continue talking about a great victory) could not protect Serbia could not protect Libya! But will she protect Syria or not from the west? keep up the good work! oh yes it’s not the skill that Kadyrov sits in the president’s chair; he killed Russian soldiers and executed some of them!
                1. Ribwort
                  Ribwort 27 August 2013 09: 00
                  +2
                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  could not protect Serbia could not protect Libya!

                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  Will it protect Syria or not from the west?

                  Quote: GEOKING95
                  Kadyrov in the chair of the President of Kator killed Russian soldiers and executed some of them!

                  Damn, that’s it ... I’ve trodden on all sick calluses. And there’s nothing to argue with that. recourse
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 27 August 2013 14: 59
                    0
                    1. Yeah, sometimes it seems, of course, it’s not good that it would be better if they saved Libya like that ... you don’t look, you wouldn’t think now that you’ll patch holes in the budget.
                    2.About Syria, let's see, chickens are counted in the fall, but they don’t bend for sure. To look at the cartoons of pro-Western resources on the chewing and Putin, though not ashamed, unlike the proud Georgian people.
                    3. Yes, we bought them, we must adopt the effective methods of the Americans, it is better than the blood of our children. And when they are fattened and zazhralis ... they will not go to war, leave Russia, they will cut themselves out. And now the excuse does not work "If not us, there will be such a massacre!" Now they have something to lose. Our president is already called Allah)) it remains to build them at the household level, so take an example from the authorities in this case, and do not be silent about their rudeness.
                2. Pensioner
                  Pensioner 27 August 2013 17: 03
                  +1
                  Above, it is better to know who to save, whom to protect. And if Kadyrov "sits in the president's chair, kators killed Russian soldiers and executed some of them," then, too, may not be without providence. Perhaps with his "sitting in the president in Chechnya," Thus, over- decided to stop the numerous murders of Russian men in Chechnya itself? And whom he killed, he himself, or his descendants will have to pay for it, and not for us to judge. Whatever faith there are, but the laws of the universe are the same for all religions. Maybe you yourself mentally condemn hundreds and thousands of Russians and condemn and kill ?! And why are you better than Kadyrov? For thoughts, the retribution is the same as for deeds. This should be understood by everyone, there would be less grief for everyone.
                  1. Geokingxnumx
                    Geokingxnumx 27 August 2013 17: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Retired
                    Whatever faith may be, but the laws of the universe are the same for all religions

                    agree
                    Quote: Retired
                    Are you mentally condemning and killing hundreds and thousands of Russians?

                    not! I mentally killed only two real president and one left! well, isho billion Chinese
                    Quote: Retired
                    And why are you better than Kadyrov?

                    so that I did not commit such an action! cutting off the head) killed guilty or innocent think and do this very different things!
        2. Tersky
          Tersky 26 August 2013 21: 52
          +3
          Quote: GEOKING95
          something I don’t remember) when recognized?

          Your Bidzina Ivanishvili admitted ... he also told the media that it was Georgia in August 2008 that launched the aggression against South Ossetia and the war with Russia. Moreover, Bidzina Ivanishvili said that it was Mikhail Saakashvili who not only led the negotiations with the Russian Federation into a dead end, but also planned the provocation of August 2008 by striking Tskhinvali - and the Russian army did not cross the Georgian border at that time. priests you will not jump, genetsvali ..
          1. Geokingxnumx
            Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 23: 08
            -1
            Quote: Tersky
            Your Bidzina Ivanishvili admitted ... he also told the media that it was Georgia in August 2008 of the year that launched the aggression against South Ossetia and the war with Russia.

            Georgia launched an operation against the separatists. Kathoria killed two Georgian PEACEKEEPERS and continued shooting at villages! this is Operation or you want to call combat action!
            Quote: Tersky
            Moreover, Bidzina Ivanishvili said that it was Mikheil Saakashvili who not only led the negotiations with the Russian Federation into a dead end, but also planned the August-2008 provocation,

            he said that Saakashvili was also to blame, but the Russian Federation was also to blame!

            Quote: Tersky
            hitting Tskhinval - and the Russian army at that moment did not cross the Georgian border.

            The Russian army was not at all! the operation was against separatists about not against the Russian Army
            Quote: Tersky
            So if you don’t jump, you won’t jump above the priests.

            Everyone knows that this was Russia's response to Kosovo>

            Putin also admitted that they trained the Ossetian separatists in the 2006 year, and this is a very BIG violation
            1. Avenger711
              Avenger711 26 August 2013 23: 21
              +1
              Yes, to hell with the whole of Tskhinvali. Enough, your opinion and rotten otmazy are not of interest to anyone here.
              1. Geokingxnumx
                Geokingxnumx 26 August 2013 23: 52
                0
                Quote: Avenger711
                Yes, to hell with the whole of Tskhinvali.

                ) saw a video when the Georgians come to Tskhinval for some reason Tskhinval is not Destroyed) or do you forget that Russian aviation bombed Tskhinval and killed their own ones? or maybe because after the fighting in Tskhinval?
                1. IGS
                  IGS 27 August 2013 15: 15
                  0
                  You have been written once, twice ... leave this topic, we will talk about technology, weather, kebabs ... but this is not worth it. Are you so stubborn? YOUR PRESIDENT, ELECTED BY YOU AND BY YOUR PEOPLE, HAS GIVEN AN ORDER TO KILL MY FAMILIES. YOUR PRESIDENT AUTHORIZES THE AMERICOS TO OPEN BIOLABORATORIES NEAR MY COUNTRY BORDERS. Why are you wagging, I ANSWERED "AHA !!!! NO FACTS !!!" then when another laid out the facts at once: "YES GUILTY, BUT YOU ARE TOO"? Stop acting like a cheap one ... don't treat everyone here as a fool. Your comments here are at least inappropriate, but essentially offensive, you are on a Russian-language site, therefore, excuse me, but with boors, that's exactly how it went! where-thread on the bedding to their owners.
    4. varov14
      varov14 26 August 2013 21: 31
      +1
      That’s our misfortune, it’s easier to act like the Anglo-Saxons, the earth is land, and the alien people in FIG are not needed. Somehow in 20 years I came to this conclusion, being brought up in the spirit of internationalism.
  14. Konstantm
    Konstantm 26 August 2013 18: 01
    +1
    And next year I wanted to go to Abkhazia with my family. Relax on the north coast of the Black Sea.
    1. chehywed
      chehywed 26 August 2013 18: 59
      +2
      Well, go! My friends rested there last year. I liked it.
    2. Aleksys2
      Aleksys2 27 August 2013 06: 21
      +1
      Quote: KonstantM
      And next year I wanted to go to Abkhazia with my family.

      Had a rest in Abkhazia this summer, really enjoyed it.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 28 August 2013 07: 30
        0
        Quote: Aleksys2
        Had a rest in Abkhazia this summer, really enjoyed it.

        Like there can nature and the sea, everything!
        Prices - Turkish!
        Service is medieval!
  15. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 26 August 2013 18: 46
    +2
    Skr is an ungrateful people, only Stalin knew how to help them
  16. Yeraz
    Yeraz 26 August 2013 18: 54
    +6
    Russia is a rich country freebies enough for everyone)))
    But on a serious campaign, the experience of the USSR with the distribution of freebies has not taught the current leadership anything and the ball continues fellow
    1. Renat
      Renat 26 August 2013 21: 06
      0
      This coin has a downside. Under the guise of a lot of money you can leave yourself beloved. So this is not a freebie distribution but just a cut.
  17. Avenger711
    Avenger711 26 August 2013 19: 02
    +5
    There is only one solution to the issue, a referendum. There are only 3 questions: 1) Entry into the Russian Federation as a district official, which was exactly what was supposed by Soviet laws, but the law was violated. 2) Joining Georgia on any terms. 3) Independence, the Russians leave, defend yourself in case of something, as you want.

    Any observers from anyone, right up to the recount of each piece of paper in front of the camera live. But after that the question should be closed.
  18. tirazu
    tirazu 26 August 2013 19: 23
    +4
    The population of Abkhazia is a rare loafer. We rested there for a couple of years in a row and traveled all over Abkhazia. The constant whining about the war of twenty years ago just got fed. what is it worth to restore elementary order in a tiny country, at least in the coastal strip ?!
  19. Siberian
    Siberian 26 August 2013 19: 35
    0
    Quote: Apollon
    Nine former South Ossetian ministers put on international wanted list for embezzlement

    As they say, the family is not without freaks. In Russia, THERE are more than enough of THESE.
  20. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 26 August 2013 19: 36
    +2
    Is it really five years that boards have hung over passers-by and no one can remove it?
    Waiting for money to be transferred from Russia?
    They do not get tired of the devastation, but they take and rake it.
    After the war, the USSR was rebuilt during the five-year period.
    So, citizens need to work, work ...
    1. alone
      alone 26 August 2013 20: 40
      +4
      why work? Russia will help)))) the motto of Darmoedov !!
  21. family tree
    family tree 26 August 2013 19: 38
    +4
    Blinnn, face-to-face! Well, when will these people in the Kremlin understand that everything has been tested and worked out for centuries. When they enter, which is for the Caucasus and Turkestan, only the governor-generals are in authority, with the corresponding power support. Those that can build a region, in terms of rank and fat. And then it (the region) will be built, in the sense of schools, housing, hospitals.
    ps By the Ostseen provinces, incidentally, also applies.
  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 August 2013 20: 27
    +1
    Quote: Flood
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Do not get fooled by the guys on provocations like "Stop feeding ..."

    Mikhan, here, as it were, the difference between an individual state and a region within Russia is obvious. Let friendly, even satellite. But they need to learn how to live, build, feed themselves.

    The "independent" former all the same economically depend on Russia (such is the geography and mentality) .. they will never feed themselves economically and politically .. if only they will again be a resort area like in the USSR (they have destroyed everything concretely there) .. Now even Russia with all our territories of resources and nuclear weapons ... trying to pull out their own! eggs! from the tenacious hands of Western capital .. Why do the Anglo-Saxons spend so much money (trillions) on military (and not only) actions ??? far from their territory .. ??? Think about it, analyze and compare (their taxpayers are silent ... because they have no wars on the American continent ... all aircraft carriers and their bases are around us and all resources go to the zone of stability and prosperity of the United States) ...
    1. alone
      alone 26 August 2013 20: 42
      +3
      Vitaly, you know how independent they are)) they are good parasites, they always sat on someone’s neck! these regions are unprofitable. They always lived on subsidies. And under the empire, and under the union, and now. I think they will continue to be the same.
  23. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 26 August 2013 20: 56
    +1
    Quote: lonely
    Vitaly, you know how independent they are)) they are good parasites, they always sat on someone’s neck! these regions are unprofitable. They always lived on subsidies. And under the empire, and under the union, and now. I think they will continue to be the same.

    Maybe ... Only there is such a concept of geopolitics ... Russia, as it were, who does not say what is a world power .. for Russia, the concept of "parasites" is relative and not so important ... As the control of territory and the security of our borders .. Everything else for the second time and all the financial influences, we then more than take away .... Russia has never kurvilas..and this is our strength .. !!!
    1. IGS
      IGS 26 August 2013 21: 05
      0
      I agree with these, but at the moment, when the question is about pensioners and maternity capital (and this is demography). Much looks different
      1. alone
        alone 26 August 2013 22: 05
        +4
        Yes. Imagine that to reduce the budget deficit, the Russian government decided to save mothers, on education, on medicine and on raising the age for retirement. But talking about independent leeches is not a word. Sometimes I wonder if you feed those if 10 years will turn their backs
  24. IGS
    IGS 26 August 2013 21: 57
    0
    Quote: GEOKING95
    Quote: IGS
    AND YOU CAN MINUS ON

    I do not minus respected! if I minus then I say this
    Quote: IGS
    I went to google in order to prove that you started and recognized ... and then decided, and why?

    ok well done) I just asked if you can’t find just tell me! no one did not recognize)
    Quote: IGS
    I ask, maybe YOURS did not kill OUR peacekeepers?

    Georgian peacekeepers 6-7 Augusta died before your peacekeepers! 1-2 August when the Georgian Police car was shot there, the Rosiiski peacekeeper (I don’t remember the name of the chief) said that we can’t contour the Ossetians (separatists)! and isho
    And in this case, of course, I believe that Russia should, of course, very quickly respond to such a blow - rapid response units should have been introduced within a few hours. Moreover, your peacekeepers, peacekeepers of your side, who are in this region, are also beaten by tanks. We will now leave aside even the question that these peacekeepers ceased to be peacekeepers from the moment they let the Ossetian spotter of artillery fire into their barracks.

    http://starshinazapasa.livejournal.com/439106.html


    Quote: IGS
    ? And in my opinion, Georgia, there’s nothing to do, we’ll figure it out ourselves, maybe something is wrong in our relations, BUT IT DOES NOT CONCERN GEORGIA

    This is your opinion of other people), but I think that everything that happens in Abkhazia concerns Georgia, as US! and these territories were recognized by Georgia in Russia until 26 August 2008 year!

    Everyone has their own truth, and everyone loves their country!

    Tell me "and sho", YOUR PRESIDENT CHIEF ORDINARY BY WHOM IS ELECTED? SEPARATISTS? By HIS direct order, my compatriots were killed! can't control yourself? so it's not here, but on the psychiatry site. AND ENOUGH TO LIE! YOU ARE FIRST, AND SIMPLE RUSSIANS WILL NOT FORGIVE YOU THE BLOOD OF YOUR GUYS AND THE LIES THAT YOU PUSHED ON US AFTER YOUR ATTACK. ALL GOOD TO YOU AND YOUR OWNERS.
  25. voliador
    voliador 26 August 2013 22: 09
    0
    Poor little SSakashvili. Deceived the child, ah-ah-ah. Yes, just baby talk. Five years ago, the Georgians were simply sure that we would not enter Abkhazia, but we messed around. And now they begin to babble, they say, provoked them.
  26. Alexkorzun
    Alexkorzun 26 August 2013 22: 42
    0
    "... timid Georgians fled ..." how accurate the poet, how far-sighted!
  27. individual
    individual 26 August 2013 23: 13
    +1
    Five years is a lot.
    I’m looking at photos of Tskhinval - even the traces of the shelling weren’t removed, that means they don’t need it, but you won’t be forcibly sweet. Russia helped at first, and then the Ossetians themselves need to work.
    We in Russia have our own devastation and disorder.
    I was surprised by the behavior of the Abkhaz in military sanatoriums. Shoigu has already made it clear that there is no and is not necessary, but live and remember ... Life goes on.
    Russia in its history has done a lot of good to the peoples. It defended it, saved it from genocide and genocide, but thanks are somehow not visible. Just give, give, give, give.
  28. Siberian
    Siberian 26 August 2013 23: 14
    0
    Quote: lonely
    Yes. Imagine that to reduce the budget deficit, the Russian government decided to save mothers, on education, on medicine and on raising the age for retirement. But talking about independent leeches is not a word. Sometimes I wonder if you feed those if 10 years will turn their backs
    Ordinary story, or tragedy. (Unfortunately)
  29. Alex_dnepr
    Alex_dnepr 27 August 2013 00: 17
    0
    With Independence!
  30. R150
    R150 27 August 2013 00: 24
    +1
    Quote: tirazu
    The population of Abkhazia is a rare loafers.

    I agree, the same opinion was formed when arriving there, but in other matters, and "our" south is no better
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 27 August 2013 04: 16
      0
      And women even look like there? smile
  31. stroporez
    stroporez 27 August 2013 15: 22
    0
    "........ In Georgia, where, five years after the war, they are still convinced that Russia had planned it, and Mikhail Saakashvili" succumbed to the provocation, "...." and they say it heals for a while. .............
  32. Pensioner
    Pensioner 27 August 2013 16: 29
    0
    Earlier I was very worried and upset for all sorts of "nonsense" committed by the representatives of our "brotherly" peoples in their statements against Russia and against the Russians themselves. Everywhere I argued, proved, and warned that it was not necessary to "cut the branch on which you are sitting"! That for the sake of yourself and your descendants, you don't need to stupidly, out of your grievances and ambitions, to rebuild the Russians against ourselves. We are that Soviet, international generation - we will understand and regret it, but this will not last forever! We will die, new generations will come. And there will be other Russians, less confused by the Soviet ideology of "fraternal friendship of peoples." But apparently the insatiable thirst for freebies of some peoples, and the conviction that Russian fools - and they must be mercilessly milked - overshadowed all their brains. act in this spirit and further. This more clearly educates our Russian youth in a patriotic spirit than we ourselves. We, the older generation, we present to them everything in the Soviet spirit about the brotherhood of peoples. And these "brotherly peoples" by their actions - show in reality who are what they are brothers russkim. And what they want, and what they stand. So, apparently, it should be so, our present time and state - like a litmus test - shows "who is who."