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Expert: Over 22, the independence of Ukraine's population has decreased by the whole of the Czech Republic

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"During the years of independence of Ukraine, its population has decreased by 12 million people. That's more than the entire population of the Czech Republic," Andrei Novak, chairman of the Committee of Economists of Ukraine, told a press conference in Kiev 21 on August, a REGNUM correspondent in Kiev reports.


"Over the 22 of the year of independence, our population has decreased from the 52 million people to 46 due to the birth-to-death ratio. And according to the UN, there are still about 6 million Ukrainians earning abroad. In total, today we will not find more 40 million Ukrainians" - said Andrey Novak.

Recall that in June, the Minister of Youth and Sports, Ravil Safiullin, said that according to UN forecasts, if the current demographic situation persists in Ukraine, then in 50 years there will be only 12 million people living there. “The population of our country decreases annually by approximately 500 thousand. The life expectancy of Ukrainians, both men and women, is on average 10 years lower than in European countries. And when compared to Japan, the difference is 18-19 years” - Safiullin noted. According to the head of the Ministry of Sports, among the causes of high mortality in Ukraine is the consumption and promotion of alcohol and cigarettes.
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  1. Civil
    Civil 23 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +2
    And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 August 2013 10: 48 New
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      Quote: Civil
      And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

      In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 August 2013 11: 15 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.

        And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.
        We need a period of at least relative but stability.
        1. SHILO
          SHILO 23 August 2013 13: 00 New
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          And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.

          Well, you didn’t choose the democrats! request
          1. AVV
            AVV 23 August 2013 16: 26 New
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            The upper eats, they climb into the Eurojope, and the people vegetate in poverty! Here is the result of the Yushchenko-Yanukovych policy! Tilko for yourself !!!
            1. wow
              wow 23 August 2013 18: 37 New
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              Tomorrow, in the "solemn" speech of the next president of Ukraine on the occasion of 22 shining garlic shining, I hope that the list of "reach" nenki type: ... built and launched ... factories, launched ... ships, built and lifted in air ... litakiv, fat herds of thinness (cattle, i.e.,) cover the horizon, we plunged to the bottom of the ocean and fly in space ...! A joke of humor, of course. In fact, "Derzhava Ukrayna" is located at the very end of the rectum, from where the direct path to the toilet and drain. There you go!
              1. rolik
                rolik 25 August 2013 17: 25 New
                +4
                Quote: yo-mine
                Tomorrow, in the "solemn" speech of the next president of Ukraine on the occasion of 22 shining garlic shining, I hope that the list of "reach" nenki type: ... built and launched ... factories, launched ... ships, built and lifted in air ... litakiv, fat herds of thinness (cattle, i.e.,) cover the horizon, we plunged to the bottom of the ocean and fly in space ...! A joke of humor, of course. In fact, "Derzhava Ukrayna" is located at the very end of the rectum, from where the direct path to the toilet and drain.

                Let the Ukrainians of this site not take offense at me ... but. Now on vacation, I am visiting my dad in Bulgaria. They drove to him by car, through Belarus, Ukraine. and here are some notes for myself made.
                We drove through Belarus, everything is clean and tidy, the roads are in good condition. When talking with the locals they saw confidence, I don’t know how to indicate it, in their behavior. That is, people understand how to live and why live, the same confidence was before when I lived in the USSR. And now I saw her again. Maybe I'm mistaken, but my wife also noticed this. Having entered the territory of Ukraine, you find yourself in another world, I just am silent about the roads when I entered the territory of Romania, my palms barely clenched with tension))))) But returning to the above. There is some sort of hopelessness in everything. The neglected gardens and houses, overgrown with weeds, and roads (driving through Korosten, Zhytomyr, Kamenetz-Podolsky). The impression was that people in the country simply exist without seeing tomorrow. Only along the roadsides are billboards with Yatsenyuk's faces along with Yulia, some more are watered. figures, and all together strive for Europe. Looking at all this devastation around you understand what for what Europe. Europe needs strong countries and not outsiders from the backyard. Roads .... oh roads .... I remember the roads of the times of the Union and what they have turned into now, one patch, two more laid on it, roadsides overgrown with weeds. how could what was left of the USSR be brought to such a state? I hope . that Ukrainians will soon choose a leader who will cease to puff out their cheeks, boast of their significance, but simply take on the hard work of pulling the country out of the pit. And most importantly, not to listen to "friends" from the west. let him remember that the Nazis exported during the war with Ukraine, black earth wagons and people. This is what they needed, and not a free Bolshevik Ukraine. So now they don’t need your independence, but only the land (preferably empty) the market for their goods, and (it’s sacred for them) to spoil more Russia.
                1. Simon
                  Simon 25 August 2013 18: 48 New
                  +2
                  Yes, And how we nevertheless lived well under the Union, Ukraine lived like that of "Christ in the bosom." And now...? recourse
                2. alexdol
                  alexdol 25 August 2013 20: 57 New
                  +3
                  rolik (2) SU "Let the Ukrainians of this site not take offense at me .."
                  ---------------------------------------------------------------
                  I want to make a small clarification: here, not everyone considers themselves to be “Ukrainians,” but in essence of your remarks, is it really possible to be offended by the truth? Everything is so - complete HOPELESS or as it is fashionable to say now!
          2. Nicholas C.
            Nicholas C. 23 August 2013 16: 47 New
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            In Ukraine, I note another muddy moment. The last all-Ukrainian census was in 2001. The next one was supposed to take place in 2011. But everyone is carrying it out under the universal pretext of "pennies." The question arises that this non-conduct of the census hides the authorities, what a disaster?

            And migrants arrive in Ukraine: Chinese, Arabs, Vietnamese, Pakistanis. There are still places on Earth where it is worse than in Ukraine. There are few such places, but they are.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 24 August 2013 02: 51 New
              +3
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              And migrants arrive in Ukraine: Chinese, Arabs, Vietnamese, Pakistanis. There are still places on Earth where it is worse than in Ukraine.

              Migrants (for the most part) are "transit", that is, seeking to Europe and for some reason "stuck in Ukraine ...
            2. chehywed
              chehywed 25 August 2013 21: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Nikolay S.
              There are still places on Earth where it is worse than in Ukraine. There are few such places, but they are


              I would like the phrase to sound like this:
              There are still places on Earth where life is betterthan in Ukraine. There are few such places, but they are.
          3. mihasik
            mihasik 23 August 2013 20: 45 New
            +5
            Tyk bring your power to the genocide of 12 million. Ukrainians for 22 years of independence!))
            1. VkadimirEfimov1942
              VkadimirEfimov1942 25 August 2013 17: 03 New
              +1
              This is almost three times more than the time of the "famine",
              it is time to sue in the genocide of the Ukrainian people. Both of them are silent, when it is impossible to “blame” a neighbor. Now his incompetence can be attributed to alcohol and cigarettes. Again, someone is to blame ...
          4. Simon
            Simon 25 August 2013 18: 40 New
            0
            And you, that the democrats have come? recourse
        2. MG42
          MG42 23 August 2013 15: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Corsair
          And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.

          The population of Ukraine has declined again
          In June, the population of Ukraine decreased compared with May by 0,02%, or for 10 500 peoplemaking up as of July 1, 2013, 45,469 million people.
          According to the State Statistics Service, the urban population as of July 1 was 31,331 million people, which is 0,03%, or 10 300 people less than June 1, the rural population was 14,138 million people, which is 0,001%, or 200 less person compared to the previous month.
          Recall that in May the population of Ukraine decreased compared to April by 0,03%, or by 15 people, amounting to 000 million people as of June 1, 2013.


          http://forbes.ua/news/1356714-naselenie-ukrainy-vnov-sokratilos
        3. nycsson
          nycsson 23 August 2013 18: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Corsair
          And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.

          Due to immigrants from the CIS countries.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 24 August 2013 02: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: nycsson
            Due to immigrants from the CIS countries.

            If you go to Russia, it means that it’s good with us, at least better than with others ...
        4. zennon
          zennon 23 August 2013 20: 05 New
          -9
          And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.

          Yes, yes. Congratulations ...
          1. bastard
            bastard 24 August 2013 00: 51 New
            +4
            That's for sure, only animals reproduce so far.
          2. kirieeleyson
            kirieeleyson 24 August 2013 19: 44 New
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            I slammed the minus immediately.
            Migrants and emigrants to the Russian Federation increased, including from Ukraine and the CIS countries. But the majority are ours, those who, after the collapse of the USSR, gathered forces.
            this is more than 15 million people in 6 years.
            1. kirieeleyson
              kirieeleyson 24 August 2013 19: 59 New
              0
              Come on, Zeno, do not be offended)))) minus minus gives a plus)
              1. zennon
                zennon 24 August 2013 21: 35 New
                0
                two negatives make an affirmative)

                Do you know what a cross to cross is? Pop on a medical nurse ...
                1. kirieeleyson
                  kirieeleyson 26 August 2013 23: 19 New
                  0
                  surprised) your local joke?))
      2. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 23 August 2013 12: 32 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.


        12 million people have gone to Ukraine, horror .... the current Ukrainian banderlogs in power have got what Hitler could only dream about - the Slavs are dying out and a little more and after signing the ZTS, Ukraine will officially and voluntarily become a European colony.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 23 August 2013 13: 35 New
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          In our courtyard during the occupation, 8 families out of 22 remained. Now only 2 are left. 12 Jewish families, 4 Ukrainian, 2 Russian (Israel, Canada, USA), Greeks, Lithuanians left for permanent residence. The yard lived as a family. Now you do not know the new tenants. Everything is under locks. You won’t leave anything in the yard. Democratize in one second. All visitors from different regions. The population of Odessa does not change not due to fertility (as long as mortality exceeds fertility), but due to visitors in search of a better share. Villages and military towns remote from railway and highways are practically devastated and thrown into self-survival.
          But then we are the leader in the number of supermarkets, pharmacies, hairdressers and temples for one quarter. Only on our street 1,4 km. length of 4 markets, 4 supermarkets, 8 pharmacies and 2 (one not completed) temple. Stores, shops and MAFs do not count.
        2. ars_pro
          ars_pro 23 August 2013 14: 20 New
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          Guys come to us on the tanks will support if that !!! and take that gooey power off at the end
          1. a52333
            a52333 23 August 2013 15: 10 New
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            It’s impossible on tanks !!! Right-bank such a screech will raise. Yes, and on the left bank they will not understand. It is necessary to go to the Maidan, to prepare a good candidate (this is not easy), and everything will be a "bunch and a stick up." Two nations will merge into a single country, which Bzezhynsky is afraid of, and relations between enterprises will be restored. And EuroDOROPA, let herself love herself in one place, and if someone doesn’t like it (well, there are Volga Germans) let them decide for themselves, want their grandchildren - let them take the children away from this tolerant HELL.
          2. Simon
            Simon 25 August 2013 18: 52 New
            0
            No, fire! Make a revolution yourself. soldier
      3. Manager
        Manager 23 August 2013 12: 40 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.


        Decreased and even more than 25 percent.
        Replenishment only at the expense of migrants. And don't prove me the opposite! Everything has long been known.
        1. Chuck-norris
          Chuck-norris 23 August 2013 12: 53 New
          +5
          More than 25%? Prove it. Or are you a balabol?
          1. Manager
            Manager 23 August 2013 13: 46 New
            -10
            Quote: Chuck-Norris
            Prove it. Or are you a balabol?

            To the blind man to prove that the flower is blue is simply stupid.
            1. Chuck-norris
              Chuck-norris 23 August 2013 19: 17 New
              +5
              The drain is counted.
            2. smile
              smile 23 August 2013 23: 31 New
              +8
              Manager
              25 percent of our population is almost 40 million. Our population has fallen by 40 million? yeah and almost the same number arrived? Please think before making such statements .... do you, by the way, know that at any time our birth rate exceeded the American? and don’t say that we have it at the expense of the non-Russian part of the population — they also have a share of the white population there that is decreasing even faster than ours ...
              And also - in Lithuania, for example, the population decreased by about 28 percent, every fifth Lithuanian guest worker. Trend, adnaka ...
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 23 August 2013 13: 47 New
          +9
          Quote: Manager
          Decreased and even more than 25 percent.

          Quote: Manager
          And don't prove me the opposite!

          Did you study at school?
          Ukraine: there were 52 declined by 12 = approximately 23%.
          Russia: was
          Quote: lonely
          Approximately 148,5 millions of people lived in Russia. Now the population is 143,5 millions.

          148,5 decreased 5 = approximately 3,5%

          Higher mathematics. A migrant, not a migrant, receiving citizenship a person becomes part of the population.
          1. Manager
            Manager 23 August 2013 14: 54 New
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            Quote: Vladimirets
            . A migrant, not a migrant, receiving citizenship a person becomes part of the population.

            You have already become disgusting to me. I will never accept the Dag and Chechens. They are not part of the country. The Dagi and the Chechens didn’t even fight in the Second World War. And you make them citizens. At our place, people cannot find work for themselves, but these are encouraged, the diasporas employ them, they are made citizens! And all this is to the detriment of our people.
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 23 August 2013 15: 47 New
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              Quote: Manager
              You have already become disgusting to me.

              I honestly did not intend to kiss you.
              Quote: Manager
              And you make them citizens. At our place, people cannot find work for themselves, but these are encouraged, the diasporas employ them, they are made citizens! And all this is to the detriment of our people.

              Are you generally adequate? And Chechens and Dagis, and so CITIZENS of Russia, he comes to Moscow or not, while Dagestan and Chechnya are part of Russia, then they are its citizens. The conversation began about the size of the POPULATION, and not about the size and composition of the nationalities of the country. Do you have children yourself to scream that you came? If the same Magee has 10 children, and you sit and only trample Claudia, what to expect next?
              1. Manager
                Manager 23 August 2013 17: 35 New
                -4
                Quote: Vladimirets
                You are generally adequate

                More than you. I’m not trying to write Tajiks, Uzbeks, Chechens, etc. to our people. There are fewer Russians, and there are more. This is not called a natural change of people. But where do you understand this ...
                1. smile
                  smile 23 August 2013 23: 39 New
                  +4
                  Manager
                  I hope you do not blame them for the fact that we are more urbanized and our birth rate is less? In the days of the USSR, all peoples worked for the good of the whole country. Both the country and we all benefited from this. What do you suggest? I would like to hear in order to better understand you ....
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            3. ultra
              ultra 23 August 2013 22: 47 New
              +5
              Quote: Manager
              . I will never accept the Dag and Chechens.

              That is, in your opinion, Chechnya and Dagestan are not the territory of Russia? requestAnd for a long time, if not a secret?
            4. ultra
              ultra 23 August 2013 22: 50 New
              +8
              Quote: Manager
              Dagi and Chechens did not even fight in World War II.

              You are a bold unit not only in geography, but also in history! Among even there are Heroes of the Soviet Union! For you, this will probably be a discovery!
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 23 August 2013 15: 58 New
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            Quote: Vladimirets
            148,5 decreased 5 = approximately 3,5%

            Higher mathematics. A migrant, not a migrant, receiving citizenship a person becomes part of the population.

            Eugene, hi ! So it will be more visual:
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 23 August 2013 16: 03 New
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              Victor, hi
              Quote: Tersky
              So it will be more visual:

              Even better, the graph shows that we are reaching the level of the late 80s. And this in any case is better than the pit of the 90s.
              1. Tersky
                Tersky 23 August 2013 16: 08 New
                +8
                Quote: Vladimirets
                And this in any case is better than the pit of the 90s.

                That's right, the resident population of the Russian Federation was: as of 01.01.1990/147665081/01.01.2013, 143,370 people as of 23/4,295/2,91, 1999 million people. That is, over XNUMX years it decreased by XNUMX million people, which is XNUMX%. The most disastrous was XNUMX ..
          3. nycsson
            nycsson 23 August 2013 18: 54 New
            +2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Approximately 148,5 millions of people lived in Russia. Now the population is 143,5 millions.

            It was 152, and now 142. Manager is right. If we take the national aspect, then the situation in Russia is the same as in Ukraine. The Russians continue to die out.
          4. roial
            roial 23 August 2013 19: 28 New
            -6
            Where does such data come from ??? For some reason, I have others
            Since 1992, Russia has lost 13 million people. Simply put, about 10 cities such as Kazan have disappeared.
            Official statistics report that since 1992, 6,5 million migrants have arrived in Russia. On the one hand, it seems that a little - 4% of the country's population. Well, if we turn to real numbers - to unaccounted migration - we will see that the number of arrivals varies from 15 to 18 million people. This is 15-20% of the country's population.

            http://etatar.ru/top/40516
            1. dm98
              dm98 24 August 2013 00: 18 New
              +1
              Do you think they somehow took into account?
              A good half of these migrants is simply impossible to count!
              So))))) ..... if you are completely optimistic, then you can add another 143 million unregistered illegal immigrants to the current 5 million!
      4. kris
        kris 23 August 2013 18: 27 New
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        Quote: Vladimirets
        In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.

        and if you count without kalkaz?
        the situation will not be better!
        if not for oil, we would sit in the same pope!
        1. Chuck-norris
          Chuck-norris 23 August 2013 19: 17 New
          +9
          What kind of childish excuses - "if not for oil !! 11111" She is the point. Canada is not shy. Norwegians are not shy. And what is your complex?

          PS We produce not only oil. I hope I did not break your psyche with this fact? Disruption of the template? How did you roll it out of the shower?
          1. roial
            roial 23 August 2013 21: 44 New
            0
            That no only strengthened

            Russia ranks less than 2% in global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), round wood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.
            1. kris
              kris 23 August 2013 22: 01 New
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              Quote: roial
              That no only strengthened

              Russia ranks less than 2% in global GDP. The main export items (according to the Federal Customs Service) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), round wood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technology - less than 5%.

              do not waste time on this troll!
              he still won’t understand anything!
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 24 August 2013 02: 25 New
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                Quote: kris
                do not waste time on this troll!
                he still won’t understand anything!

                He gave you reasoned data from off. in numbers. Why did he become a “troll” after that? Due to the fact that reality does not match what you think?
            2. dm98
              dm98 24 August 2013 00: 30 New
              0
              Quote: roial
              The main export items (according to the FCS) are gas and oil (70%), primary metals (15%), roundwood (10%), everything else, including equipment, weapons and technologies, is less than 5%.


              This is you talking about foreign countries!
              But about the customs union tactfully silent
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 24 August 2013 02: 20 New
                +4
                Quote: dm98
                This is you talking about foreign countries!
                But about the customs union tactfully silent

                If we consider exports, then in 2012 it amounted to:
                to non-CIS countries - $ 447 billion,
                $ 77,5 billion to the CIS countries ($ 27 billion to Ukraine),
                in the vehicle - $ 39 billion.
                Total - $ 525 billion
                And yes, oil (as well as gasoline, diesel, etc. ... fuel other than gas) took $ 268 billion.
                All together, the total trade turnover of the vehicle is $ 58 billion, while crude oil alone was exported at $ 181 billion (3 times more than the trade of the whole vehicle along with oil and gas by the way). So the trade inside the vehicle, at the moment, is not too big, comparable to oil and gas sales.
                Data taken from the site of F.S. State Statistics of Russia http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b13_01/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d01/2-2-5-1.htm
                Anyone interested in export / import and income from this Russia can take a look, informative.
                1. dm98
                  dm98 24 August 2013 12: 02 New
                  +2
                  as can be seen from the graph of the change in the budget of Russia, it really corresponds to the amount of oil and gas revenues (the black part of the column). And these revenues really increased significantly, this is due to an increase in oil prices and an increase in oil exports.
                  And now for those who think that everything is bad! Pay attention to the blue part of the column, as you can see the revenues not related to oil and gas, however, they also increased significantly))))))))))) and the volume of these revenues in 2011 was already equal to the total budget in 2005 in which, by the way , oil and gas revenue was 40%.
                  So no need to see everything in black
            3. zennon
              zennon 24 August 2013 13: 13 New
              +1
              Russia occupies less than 2% of global GDP.

              I climbed into the Wiki, looked:
              The Russian economy is the fifth / sixth economy among the countries of the world in terms of GDP by PPP (for 2012). According to the nominal volume of GDP for 2012, Russia takes 8th place.

              The nominal GDP of Russia in 2012 amounted to $ 2,014 trillion, PPP GDP - $ 3,380 trillion. In 2012, Russia ranks 43rd in GDP per capita at PPP (according to the World Bank), and 52nd in nominal GDP per capita (according to the IMF). According to 2012 data, the share of the Russian economy in the global economy is 4,1%.

              Whom to believe?
              1. Corneli
                Corneli 24 August 2013 18: 07 New
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                Quote: zennon
                Whom to believe?

                Yes, anyone! There would be a desire! I gave Off DATA gos.kom. Stat of Russia? Do you not believe them?) And besides ... GDP is any, it’s not trade (and not the country's budget)! Do not confuse wet with soft. In the USA, there is a lot of things to be hidden in GDP, which is NOT available in other countries (such as domestic sales of services and real estate, they have GDP, but this is not production! And when you read that out of 20 million in New York, the fifth part is lawyers! Word " services "as it is not so)
                1. zennon
                  zennon 24 August 2013 19: 45 New
                  +1
                  I gave Off DATA gos.kom. Stat of Russia? Do you not believe them?

                  A reference please!
              2. alone
                alone 24 August 2013 18: 12 New
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                believe anyone how you live and compare these numbers with your standard of living. get the right answer
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        2. smile
          smile 23 August 2013 23: 43 New
          +5
          kris
          Yes, you count the population of our Caucasus ... there are only a few million of them. they are not able to make the weather in the demographics of such a huge country like ours ....
        3. dm98
          dm98 24 August 2013 00: 25 New
          +4
          ))))))))), oil .... oil
          It seems that children are taken from oil!
          Then Ukraine was definitely not lucky, it is not there!
          Oil revenues actually make up 30-35% of the country's revenues, but 20-25% goes to the United States in the form of a stabilization fund and other types of stash, another part of the aligarchs who themselves know where to store their money and spend it there.

          But the most interesting thing is that although the growth of the Russian budget coincides with the increase in oil prices, the share of OIL INCOME IN THE BUDGET WILL NOT GROW! And this suggests that the country's economy based on NOT oil revenues is also growing
        4. JIaIIoTb
          JIaIIoTb 24 August 2013 17: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: kris
          if not for oil, we would sit in the same pope!


          What is Chris jealous?)))
      5. nycsson
        nycsson 23 August 2013 18: 48 New
        +4
        Yeah! In Ukraine, power also does not lose time in vain ......
        Quote: Vladimirets
        For Russia, at least, the population for 22 of the year has not decreased by 25%.

        For the period of the collapse of the USSR, we had about 152 million people, and now 142! Minus 10 millions. It turns out by about 8%. And when you consider that compensated by migrants, then even more. crying
      6. Siberian German
        Siberian German 24 August 2013 04: 38 New
        0
        and at the expense of whom it did not go down - at the expense of migrants from Central Asia and the Caucasus
    2. a52333
      a52333 23 August 2013 10: 57 New
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      Actually, there was an article recently, the situation in the Russian Federation was not “fat in chocolate,” but pretty good. They don’t sell beer in stalls, beer production - 15%, it’s scary to take a pack of cigarettes in your hands, such photos! These are not positive steps in your opinion?
      1. bask
        bask 23 August 2013 11: 10 New
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        Quote: a52333
        they sell, beer production - 15%, it’s scary to take a pack of cigarettes in your hands, such phot

        As for beer, young people and women whip more than adult men.
        Many people quit smoking. Among my friends there are no smoking men. But the ladies continue to SMOKE.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 23 August 2013 13: 24 New
          +8
          Quote: bask
          Quote: a52333
          they sell, beer production - 15%, it’s scary to take a pack of cigarettes in your hands, such phot

          As for beer, young people and women whip more than adult men.
          Many people quit smoking. Among my friends there are no smoking men. But the ladies continue to SMOKE.

          All my friends quit drinking and smoking. We switched to tea and sports.
      2. avt
        avt 23 August 2013 11: 11 New
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        Quote: a52333
        They don’t sell beer in stalls, beer production - 15%, it’s scary to take a pack of cigarettes in your hands, such photos! These are not positive steps in your opinion?

        good How libertarians screamed when Sobyanin pressed the stalls! At each stop - beer, cigarettes, screaming about jobs as much as saliva from the radio sprayed. One can understand that such a quantity of black cash was pulled out, now it has gone through the markets, but there the black retail does not give up so easily, such crazy money, and even in black cash, will not be surrendered so easily.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 23 August 2013 11: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: avt
          such crazy money, and even in black cash


          this is not crazy money, although yes, you can’t even imagine what kind of black cash is going around in the field of route transportation in Moscow, take the Avtoline company tens / hundreds of millions daily / monthly
          1. avt
            avt 23 August 2013 12: 16 New
            +3
            Quote: seller trucks
            this is not crazy money, although yes, you can’t even imagine what kind of black cash is going around in the field of route transportation in Moscow, take the Avtoline company tens / hundreds of millions daily / monthly

            request I can imagine. The same member, only the view from the side, by the way, the “curator” of minibuses — Kichedzhi is now the vice-governor in St. Petersburg, everything is interconnected, how many same minibuses the Cherkizovskaya metro station had — to take me to the Cherkizon through the overpass and without any I know the autoline, they also put minibuses on the line, the amounts raised by black cash in cities with population of over one million are quite comparable with the budgets of the countries that are independent.
      3. Egoza
        Egoza 23 August 2013 14: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: a52333
        it’s scary to take a pack of cigarettes in your hands, such photos! These are not positive steps in your opinion?

        Yes, they also raise prices for cigarettes and wine. But beer costs less than milk !!! Have you ever talked with homeless children? "And when you smoke like that, then you don’t want to eat!" Many, like during the war, began to smoke precisely to drown out the feeling of hunger. Maybe it would be better to bring the people's nutrition to mind? Then there would be less mortality among newborns and babies! And then we feed with all chemistry, then we are surprised - where did that come from. I’m silent about the elderly. kefir-bread-potatoes. That's all the nutrition. Will you stretch a lot on this?
        1. MG42
          MG42 23 August 2013 15: 10 New
          +4
          Quote: Egoza
          Yes, they also raise prices for cigarettes and wine.

          I agree +. Excise taxes raise .. sad Although I haven’t been drinking beer lately, cognac is also getting more expensive ..
          MPs want to increase excise tax on alcohol by 30-300%
          Deputies suggest increasing the tax burden on excisable products by 30-300% in August-September.
          About this writes Kommersant-Ukraine.
          At the disposal of the publication was a draft amendment to the Tax Code prepared by the subcommittee on excise policy of the parliamentary committee on tax and customs policy. During June, deputies, manufacturers and experts discussed various options for new excise rates, the maximum growth of which was proposed at 60%.
          According to the publication, parliamentarians agreed that the tax burden should increase for all manufacturers of excisable goods, and not just for the beer industry.
          According to the head of the subcommittee Igor Tsyrkin (Party of Regions), the latest version of the document implies an increase in rates by 30-300%.
          “The committee will determine the final level of rates, that is, discussion is still possible,” he said.
          Low-alcohol production expects the biggest increase in September. Instead of a rate of 49,49 hryvnias per liter of 100 percent alcohol, it was proposed to establish 148,47 hryvnias (+ 300%).

          Quote: Egoza
          But beer costs less than milk

          Beer alcoholism certainly attracts young people especially, although it was forbidden to publicly drink beer in the streets in Ukraine, and now they sell beer in paper bags at kiosks, for those who like to drink beer on a bench, like dumb cops don’t understand that they don’t drink kefir in a paper bag. . wassat
      4. Russ69
        Russ69 23 August 2013 16: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: a52333
        They don’t sell beer in stalls, beer production - 15%

        Vodka seems to be about 20 percent. Six months ago, like the WHO, admitted that alcohol consumption per capita in Russia is falling, while in some countries geyrops are growing, especially in England.
    3. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 10: 57 New
      12
      Quote: Civil
      And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...


      There is no need to discount that in Russia during the middle of 90x - the beginning of 2000x there were two wars, which naturally hit the demographic situation.
      In the object described in the article, there were no such shocks, and the population losses were colossal ...
    4. Vasya Ivanov
      Vasya Ivanov 23 August 2013 11: 17 New
      13
      In my opinion, in Ukraine the situation with fertility is much worse than in Russia. They are exterminating us slowly.
      1. 53-Sciborskiy
        53-Sciborskiy 23 August 2013 13: 13 New
        +3
        In total, 520,7 thousand people were born in Ukraine last year, 663,1 thousand people died, total natural population decline was 142,4 thousand people. At the same time, last year a migration increase of 61,8 thousand people was recorded: 76,4 thousand people entered Ukraine, 14,5 thousand people left the country. Source: http://censor.net.ua/p233353
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 23 August 2013 20: 56 New
        +5
        Quote: Vasya Ivanov
        In my opinion, in Ukraine the situation with fertility is much worse than in Russia. They are exterminating us slowly.

        Duc at their ischo and Femin, s_tsuki, instead of just giving birth, went with their boobs on the geyrops to coward. However, we also have "crazy pussy" stuffed hens of ice cream in themselves ... It's sad.
    5. Mitek
      Mitek 23 August 2013 11: 21 New
      32
      Quote: Civil
      And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

      And in Russia now is the "baby boom". Look out the window, but come to the children's clinic. All friends already have 2 children. Some already have three. The program "maternity capital" is perhaps the best that was accepted. And now this near-minded Nedimon is trying to cut her (the program). So that you are not entirely fair to the demographic situation in Russia. Of course, if you need an honest assessment, rather than shouting "how bad everything is" and "it's time to blame."
      PS the very second 4.5 months. The future intelligence officer is growing).
    6. Imigrantt
      Imigrantt 23 August 2013 12: 57 New
      +8
      Dear you, living in Russia unwashed, and in which everything is so bad on your part! Go to Ukraine, where everything is "good"! Everyone says that mother in Russia is so bad, so bad - but no one is going anywhere! especially to Ukraine! I have a wife with Kerch, and I lived there for a certain time, and I know how “good” it is live, and not from dead news and cheap newspaper! In Ukraine, it’s archiploo! Russia Slowly gets up and gets up, because only cats will roll soon! But Ukraine, with its godfathers, drove people into a knee-elbow pose and even loaded it with exorbitant debts in the form of loans from the EU and IMF! And salaries are not even worth it! People for $ 150 is at best, plow a month! No need to cut the branch on which you sit! I would generally shoot alarmists and screamers to hell! Less words - a cheaper telegram, you need to work and not pi ... rd in a puddle! There are no fish there, only you make people laugh!
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 August 2013 14: 41 New
        0
        Quote: Imigrantt
        Dear you, living in Russia unwashed, and in which everything is so bad on your part! Go to Ukraine, where everything is "good"! Everyone says that mother in Russia is so bad, so bad - but no one is going anywhere!

        Everything is relative.
      2. morpex
        morpex 23 August 2013 21: 41 New
        +1
        [quote = Imigrantt] In Ukraine, it is archipelo! [/ quote
        Yes. Not honey .... I agree .. Do you know where it’s good now? I do not. An honest hard worker must work hard everywhere to earn a decent living ...
        [quote = Imigrantt] And Ukraine, with its godfathers, drove people into a knee-elbow pose [/ quote]
        Again I agree .. But why do you respected at the same time do not remember with whose support these people came to disaster? Money from Moscow flowed, the Russian media worked for the party of the Donetsk prezik hai everywhere orange everywhere ... So, thanks to comrade Putin for our "bright future." ...
      3. bastard
        bastard 24 August 2013 00: 42 New
        0
        Not "In" Ukraine, but "In" Ukraine, Not "From" Ukraine ", but" C "of Uraina. Write in a normal language, not tolerant.
    7. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 18: 59 New
      +2
      Right now I'll post a very interesting article on demography in Russia!

      http://warfiles.ru/show-12501-propuschennaya-glava-strategii-2020.html
      Missing chapter of "2020 Strategy"
      5 March 2012, the development team released the final version of "Strategy-2020". In the opinion of the author of these lines, this opus suffers from a flaw that turns the “Strategy-2020” into dust. The fact is that in time for the Russian 2020 year in today's Russia will be less than half of its population. This is shown by elementary calculations. But Moscow and St. Petersburg clever men, who for years had been blooming first over the "Concept-2020", and then over the "Strategy-2020", pointedly ignored the obvious calculations and the obvious consequences of this shift. Consider all the details.
      In his article "Russia - the national question" V.V. Putin has finally touched the most acute problem. Touched in a peculiar way: the processes that are spoken about in the article are not verified by a single digit! All the arguments hang in the air, as there is no stable foundation under them. How can you talk about the most complicated processes in interethnic relations without defining these processes in generally understandable figures ?!
      First of all, V.V. Putin should have shown the figures at what rate the extinction of the Russian people is proceeding and its replacement by external migration. To the best of his abilities, the author of these lines tried to fill the annoying gap of this article. I hope that an attentive reader who is friendly with numbers will appreciate the proposed calculations. And those who disagree with the above calculations can offer their own.

      The extinction of the Russian people

      According to the results of the 2002 census in the historically Russian regions of the Russian Federation of the Central, North-Western and Volga federal districts, the 21 region was recorded, in which the Russian share accounted for more than 90% of the population:

      Vologda (96,6%), Tambov (96,5%), Bryansk (96,3%), Lipetsk and Kursk (according to 95,8%), Oryol (95,3%), Tula (95,2%), Yaroslavl (95,1%), Nizhny Novgorod (95%) , Vladimirskaya (94,75%), Ryazan (94,5%), Pskov (94,3%), Arkhangelsk (94,2%), Voronezh (94,1%), Novgorod (93,9%), Ivanovo (93,7%), Kaluga (93,5%), mine native Smolenskaya (93,4%), Belgorod (92,9%), Tverskaya (92,5%), Moscow (91%), in the Leningrad Region, the Russian share was 89,6% of the population.
      1. afire
        afire 24 August 2013 23: 48 New
        0

        An interesting program is voting on the Atv Ukraine channel.
  2. svp67
    svp67 23 August 2013 10: 38 New
    +5
    And in which of the former republics of the USSR is the situation on this issue better?
    1. bask
      bask 23 August 2013 10: 42 New
      +9
      Quote: svp67
      And in which of the former republics of the USSR is the situation on this issue better?

      In Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan ... Their darkness !!
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 23 August 2013 10: 49 New
        +7
        And in which of the former republics of the USSR is the situation on this issue better?

        In-in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan, they are like hell a dime a dozen ... LEGION !!!
        1. bask
          bask 23 August 2013 11: 01 New
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          a dime a dozen ... LEGION !!!

          Natalia, thoughts agreed with you good To the exclamation mark.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 23 August 2013 15: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: bask
            Natalia, thoughts agreed with you. To the exclamation point.

            The main thing is that no further wink
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      2. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 23 August 2013 13: 28 New
        +6
        How did you annoy the Kyrgyz people with 3mln? We have only 5mln population and a little more than half are only Kyrgyz. Since the days of the Second World War, the increase has been only 2 times (for almost 70 years).
      3. a52333
        a52333 23 August 2013 16: 24 New
        +1
        I do not agree with you, they have a bad time.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 24 August 2013 01: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: a52333
          I do not agree with you, they have a bad time.

          A large part of the population decline in Central Asia is very easy to find in the form of population growth in Russia.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 23 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +7
      Quote: svp67
      And in which of the former republics of the USSR is the situation on this issue better?

      And in what? Indeed.
      Probably, there are similar problems everywhere, but the whole thing is on the scale (population decreased by 2% or 20%) and the ways that those in power offer their people to get out of this situation.
      If they believe that drift from Russia to bow to Geyropa, deindustrialization in the field of mechanical engineering, the transformation of Ukraine into an agrarian and raw materials appendage of the West is good, and the people are “silent”, or thinks, like my elderly semi-literate relative, that the enemies are primarily Putin, "they want to bring Ukraine to their knees," what will you do? request
      All will have to "drink this cup" ...
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 23 August 2013 11: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: svp67
      And in which of the former republics of the USSR is the situation on this issue better?

      In Azerbaijan and the countries of Central Asia. As we see, the Christian countries of the union are decreasing, and the Muslim ones are growing, if not for the Karabakh conflict, the growth rate would be much higher.
      But Ukraine does not forget that not a small part has moved to Russia.
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 00 New
      +2
      Extension
      For the time being, I leave without comment the factor of multimillion external migration, the main part of which is not shown by the Rosstat chronicles.

      In its yearbooks, Rosstat reports fertility, mortality, natural increase / natural decrease (extinction) indicators in each region of the Russian Federation. All of these historically Russian regions are dying out! To calculate the reference point for the extinction figures of the Russian people, the author uses an obvious method: among these regions, three are taken with the maximum and three with the minimum rates of natural decline-extinction (the excess of mortality over the birth rate by 1000 of the population), the average extinction rate is calculated, by which the current number of the Russian people is multiplied .

      The result obtained is a guideline for the figures of the extinction of the Russian people for a particular year.
      According to the 12 census of January 1989, the number of Russian people in the RSFSR was 119,9 million. In the first half of 1989, the rapidly decaying natural increase of the Russian people increased its number in the RSFSR to 1990 million. In the middle of 1991, the Russian death rate exceeded the Russian birth rate, and the Russian people began to die out. According to the census of the year Russian 120,5 in the Russian Federation turned out to be 1991 million, and according to the census of the year 2002 115,9 million

      Migration growth for 1989-2010 years Rosstat showed in 7 million. Suppose that this is the benchmark figures of the migration increase of the Russian people during this period. Still, the Russians in those years mainly drove into Russia than they left. Based on these figures, we approximately determine the current number of the Russian people for a particular year. Consider calculations for several years.

      1995 year. The maximum extinction coefficients this year were shown: Pskov Oblast (minus 13,1 per 1000 population), Tver (minus 12,3) and Tula (minus 12,1); minimum: Belgorod (minus 5,4), Bryansk (minus 6,7) and Oryol (minus 7,4).
  3. domokl
    domokl 23 August 2013 10: 42 New
    18
    Ukraine goes the way that was intended to Russia under EBEn
    1. Constantine
      Constantine 23 August 2013 10: 52 New
      13
      Quote: domokl
      Ukraine goes the way that was intended to Russia under EBEn


      That is yes. The interesting thing is that they like to shout about the famine, not knowing the true reasons, etc., but they don’t realize that their independence cost them millions of lives, the economy and many other things. sad
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 August 2013 14: 41 New
        +6
        Quote: Constantine
        they like to scream about the famine,

        Quote: Constantine
        that their independence cost them millions of lives, economies and many other things - they are not aware.

        Everyone is aware, only who will confess to his atrocities? It’s easier to push it onto the “Holodomor”, and calculate, “if there weren’t a famine, we would already be ...”
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 23 August 2013 15: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: Egoza
          Everyone is aware, only who will confess to his atrocities? It’s easier to push it onto the “Holodomor”, and calculate, “if there weren’t a famine, we would already be ...”


          Wow + the media only replicates what the owners said. This also does not slightly affect the consciousness of many. sad
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 11: 08 New
      12
      Quote: domokl
      Ukraine goes the way that was intended to Russia under EBEn


      Moreover, with the obstinacy of a ram, who does not understand that at the end of the path he expects a unique result - barbecue ...
      1. CaptainBlack
        CaptainBlack 23 August 2013 11: 27 New
        13
        There is no need to dragging Ukrainians here! They and so now is not honey at all ... But they see it? If only they didn’t get into the EU ... stop
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 23 August 2013 12: 10 New
          +2
          Quote: CaptainBlack
          If only they didn’t get into the EU ...



          aha, schaz, fit. Mr. Onishchenko will prescribe them a “tonic enema". "every cricket, know your hearth"
        2. FATEMOGAN
          FATEMOGAN 23 August 2013 13: 42 New
          +6
          Quote: CaptainBlack
          There is no need to dragging Ukrainians here! They and so now is not honey at all ... But they see it?


          Friday, August 23, 2013 The Union of Citizens of Ukraine together with public organizations YOUNG EURASIA, Slavic Party, RUPOR, The Essence of Time, People’s Liberation Movement, People’s Cathedral, Ukrainian Choice and Communist Party will hold an information picket in Kiev for the accession of independent Ukraine to the Customs Union .
          “If you sign an association agreement with the European Union, Ukraine will lose the last vestiges of its sovereignty and industry. In this case, Ukraine will finally become a military-political, economic and cultural colony of the United States! IMF and IBRD loans enslave its economy, European concerns crush Ukrainian enterprises, the role of traditional religions and culture in society will be minimized, parades of gays and SS sheep will become the norm, children will be removed from families according to the new laws of juvenile justice, they will be screened further pervert youth and educate them young Americans ...

          Do you want such a future for Ukraine? We are NOT!

          FOR INDEPENDENT Ukraine! For Slavic Ukraine! FOR DEVELOPING Ukraine!

          We are convinced: All this is only possible with the voluntary entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union! Support the Eurasian Movement of Ukraine! Come to the rally! ” - said the leader of the Eurasian movement “YOUNG EURASIA” Yuri Kofner.

          Venue - Independence Square

          Time - 17:30 - 20:00 h.

          Really the people wake up a little ....
        3. domokl
          domokl 23 August 2013 14: 43 New
          +7
          Quote: CaptainBlack
          There is no need to drag the Ukrainians here! They are not honey at all now

          But who is pushing? Just the last one and a half decades, it has somehow turned out that it is from Ukraine that we are constantly reminded that we owe something, somewhere we are pulling someone. There is a lot more written about the Slavic brotherhood.
          When I was in the USSR army, Ukrainians were lying next to me under the armored personnel carrier. We really were one people, one family. But my son in Abkhazia was lying on a block post next to Abkhazians, Chechens, Kazakhs, and the Chuvash. So here an international company. And on the other hand, Ukrainian guys were shooting. They, too, were probably not alone, but with the others. But they were already against it. And now, when I write something about the friendship of our peoples, my son laughs. Such friends are for .. .and the museum is his most tolerant expression.
          So we just discuss what we already have and predict what will happen
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 02 New
      +2
      Extension
      The average extinction rate for regions where the Russian share is more than 90% of the population was in 1995 - minus 9,5 per 1000 population. By the way, this indicator of 1995 of the year for the whole of Russia amounted to minus 5,7 on 1000.

      Assume that the number of Russian people in 1995 was 119 million. Hence, the reference point of the extinction of the Russian people that year is minus 1 130 000. The total extinction rate in the Russian Federation was minus 840 thousand. It turns out that all other peoples of Russia and, above all, historically indigenous Muslims for Russia and all newcomers from external migration have a natural increase (excess birth rate over mortality), which amounted to 1995 about plus 290 thousand

      2000 year. The maximum extinction coefficients this year were shown: Pskov Oblast (minus 14,9 per 1000 population), Tula (minus 14,2) and Tverskaya (minus 14,1); minimum: Vologda (minus 7,2), Belgorod (minus 7,5) and Lipetsk (minus 8,7).

      The average extinction rate for regions where the Russian share is more than 90% of the population was in 2000 - minus 11,1 per 1000 population. By the way, this indicator of 2000 of the year for the whole of Russia amounted to minus 6,6 on 1000.

      Assume that the number of Russian people in 2000 was 117 million. Hence, the reference point of the extinction of the Russian people that year is minus 1 300 000. The total extinction rate in the Russian Federation was minus 958,5 thousand. It turns out that all other peoples of Russia and, above all, historically indigenous Muslims for Russia and all newcomers from external migration experienced a natural increase, which amounted to about 2000 thousand in 340 year.

      2005 year. The maximum extinction coefficients in this year showed: Pskov region (minus 15,7 on 1000 population), Tula (minus 14,2) and Tverskaya (minus 13,7); minimum: Belgorod (minus 7,1), Vologda (minus 8,3) and Lipetsk (minus 8,6). The average extinction rate for regions where the Russian share is more than 90% of the population turned out to be in 2005 minus 11,25 per 1000 population. By the way, this indicator 2005 of the year for the whole of the Russian Federation amounted to minus 5,9 on 1000.

      Assume that the number of Russian people in 2005 was 114 million. Hence, the reference point of the extinction of the Russian people that year is minus 1 285 000. The total extinction rate in the Russian Federation was minus 846,5 thousand. It turns out that all other peoples of Russia and, above all, historically indigenous Muslims for Russia and all newcomers from external migration experienced a natural increase, which amounted to about 2005 thousand in 440 year.

      2010 year. The maximum extinction coefficients in this year showed: Pskov region (minus 10,5 on 1000 population), Tula (minus 9,3) and Tverskaya (minus 9,0); minimum: Belgorod (minus 3,8), Vologda (minus 3,85) and Lipetsk (minus 5,3). The average extinction rate for regions where the Russian share is more than 90% of the population turned out to be in 2010 minus 7,0 per 1000 population. Please note that this indicator 2010 of the year for the entire RF amounted to only minus 1,7 on 1000.

      The census-2010 showed that the number of Russian people in 2010 was 111 million.

      Hence, the reference point for the extinction of the Russian people that year is minus 770 000. The total extinction rate in the Russian Federation amounted to minus 240 thousand. It turns out that all the other peoples of Russia and, above all, the historically indigenous Muslims of Russia and all newcomers from external migration recorded a natural increase, which amounted to approximately plus 2010 thousand in 530. Pay special attention to how steadily this indicator is growing!
    4. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 22: 35 New
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      Ukraine goes the way that was intended to Russia under EBEn

      And we, like, a mustache in openwork ?! request
      1. domokl
        domokl 24 August 2013 06: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: nycsson
        And we have, like, a mustache in lace ?! request

        Your memory is short. Oh how short. But 1 and 0 have not passed years since we had the same thing. In general, such a comment resembles a bazaar, And I put on my glasses ...
  4. a52333
    a52333 23 August 2013 10: 43 New
    11
    Join the geyrop, the situation only worsen. no
    1. MG42
      MG42 23 August 2013 15: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: a52333
      Join the geyrop, the situation only worsen

      It will be aggravated in terms of the fact that labor migration will increase.

      One of the top German television channels, ARD (Channel One), told its viewers the story of 49-year-old Ukrainian Oksana, one of many who suffered the fate of going abroad to work. 12 years ago, a woman left Ukraine - and went to work in Germany, in Hamburg. In Lviv, Oksana for a teacher’s salary could not feed her family. Therefore, she was forced to illegally leave her homeland. I left my own children at home with my parents — in order to keep track of strangers in a foreign land ... The Ukrainian woman still does not know whether she will ever return to Ukraine. Still can not get rid of doubts whether she did the right thing ...

      And there are hundreds of thousands of such families in which children with living parents are practically deprived of their love and care. Letters, phone calls, Skype ... These people find the opportunity, despite being in touch. About the fate of such Ukrainian here in his book novelty “Mom on Skype” was told by “Vidavnitsvo Old Lev”. The book was simultaneously published both in Ukraine and in Germany (in the German translation - “Skype Mama”). The presentation of the German-language publication took place during the Leipzig Book Fair.

      “The problem of labor emigration is a problem, first of all, of our state,” said Mariana Savka, editor-in-chief of Vidavnitsvo Old Leva, compiler of the book “Mom on Skype,” in a commentary to the German ARD channel. - Unfortunately, the state does not protect its citizens. Ukrainians in Ukraine have enough work ..

    2. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 04 New
      -1
      Extension
      As a result of all the calculations, it turns out that in the 1992-2011 years in Russia, roughly, 22,5 million Russians have died out! Not dead - this is not a death rate - and not dead, but it is extinct! And not the average "dear Russians", which does not know any science, namely - Russian!

      At the same time, I would like to hope that in Russia as a whole, the demography of the Russian people is still better than its average in the historically Russian regions, in which the Russian share is more than 90% of the population. But even in this case there is every reason to assert that the digit of the extinction of the Russian people over the 1992-2011 years has already passed the mark of 20 million! That is, Russian mortality over the 1992-2011 years exceeded the Russian birth rate by at least (!) 20 million!

      Minimum, because it is calculated from the official reports of Rosstat, if they tell us the truth.

      Just wondering why V.V. Putin came to talk about the national question in the North Caucasus Federal District, where everything is more than fine with demography, and not in the Pskov, Tver or Tula regions, where the Russian people are dying out by 1-1,5% per year ?! I repeat: it does not die, but dies out!

      Summing up. For 1992-2011 in today's Russia, the overall index of natural loss-extinction (excess of mortality over birth rate) was, according to Rosstat, 13,5 million. At the same time, the Russian people died out by no less than 20 million. Therefore, all other peoples of Russia and, first In general, the historically indigenous for Russia Muslims (God forbid them!) and all newcomers from external migration experienced a natural increase of at least 6,5 million.

      They will immediately indicate to me that, on the basis of my calculations, at the time of the census-2010 Russians should have been hardly more than 100 million! However, the census-2010 showed that the number of the Russian people is 111 million. It would have turned out if not for the two “salvage” processes!

      The first “saving” process was the mass return of Russians to the Russian Federation from the former Soviet republics. Rosstat showed that the migration increase for 1989-2010 amounted to 7 million. Since the actual border control data on the total entry into Russia and the total exit from it are still closed, let us assume that the migration increase of the Russian people is no more than 7 million.

      The second “salvation” process was the change of a significant part of the respondents in the 2002 and 2010 censuses of the definition of their own nationality. Thus, according to the census-1989, the Ukrainians recorded 4,3 million in the RSFSR; according to the census-2002 already in the Russian Federation - 2,9 million, and according to the census-2010 - 1,9 million! 2,4 million less than 1989 year! And despite the fact that the Russian Federation and Ukraine have a positive migration balance.

      Belarusians in 1989 were recorded 1,2 million, in 2002-m - 808 thousand, and in 2010-m - 521,5 thousand, in 680 thousand. Less than in 1989 year!

      Chuvash in 1989 was recorded 1774 thousand, in 2002-m - 1637 thousand, and in 2010-m - 1436 thousand, in 340 thousand less than in 1989 year!

      Udmurtov in 1989 was recorded 715 thousand, in 2002-m - 637 thousand, and in 2010-m - 553 thousand, in 160 thousand. Less than in 1989 year! Etc. Plus, alien migrants, some of whom were also called Russian during the censuses.

      In my opinion, a similar process can be estimated by a figure - up to 5 million. That is, the Russian people “arrived” at 5 million as a result of this process, and all other peoples - “lost.” Anyone can make sure that if it were not for these two "salvage" processes, there would be no more than 100 million in the Russian Federation today.
  5. mirag2
    mirag2 23 August 2013 10: 44 New
    +4
    Yes, so to speak, in our footsteps. You are not looking for friends there ...
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 11: 20 New
      +7
      Quote: mirag2
      Yes, so to speak, in our footsteps. You are not looking for friends there ...


      From our eyes, the "veil" about the "friendly" West has long slept, and Ukraine, as a naive "institute," still believes in the courtship of "foreign" gentlemen ...
      1. michajlo
        michajlo 23 August 2013 13: 40 New
        +5
        Corsair (1) RU Today, 11:20

        Good afternoon, dear, I'm sorry I do not know how to call you by name!
        I allow myself NOT to speak with you.
        You are mixing the concepts of "SALE KIEV ELITE" and "UKRAINIAN PEOPLE / CITIZENS"! These are various concepts. For the nomenclature, the main thing is how to grab more, and so that after losing the chair you do not fall into court or PEOPLE'S MURDER. well and people, their torment, everyday battle in survival, none of the TRAITORS of the PEOPLE in Kiev - do not care.

        And the Ukrainian people themselves, for the most part, are for REUNION with Slavic Russia and Belarus.

        But perhaps it was useful to the Russian authorities themselves, in addition to "tug of war in trade and economic issues", to direct more efforts and means to CARE OUT THE EXPLANATORY WORK among the population of Ukraine and help the RUSSIAN FORCES ?!

        It’s strange after all, it turns out that SovDep and the CIA can buy and blow up any country from the inside, and Russia and Belarus can’t enlighten Kiev in any way ?!

        I can explain this state of affairs only THEM that MOSCOW in relation to Kiev JUST strictly complies with the "undercover agreements / more precisely the requirements" of the West !?

        If you want zamusuyte my "heretical conclusions", but how do you explain such a “status quo” of the Kiev elite, 3 times whose presidents promised the people a turn to Moscow, and the result is a complete PPC?

        In a word, by blow to the bell of the Slavs in Kiev, Comrade Putin will not resolve all disagreements with Yanukovych, although there were a lot of negotiations.
        Well, how in Ukraine over the past 22 years, the stance of the American advisers, diplomats and all sorts of Cossacks, I think you do not need to explain.

        In Ukraine, for 2-3 years, European PRICES (compared with Slovakia) and the salary is 2-4 times lower ... Moreover, Russia, in my opinion, is already at the level of European prices, but also salaries in Russia (not including "managers") in my opinion European level or SAME.
        Sincerely, Mikhailo.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 23 August 2013 14: 55 New
          +2
          Quote: michajlo
          You are mixing the concepts of "SALE KIEV ELITE" and "UKRAINIAN PEOPLE / CITIZENS"! These are various concepts.

          +++++ !!!!
          You are absolutely right, dear Mikhailo! But only under the current Law on Elections, where you need to make a deposit of at least 250 thousand hryvnias, a normal person who would really set himself the goal of improving the life of the people, just do not break through. We have a parliament of billionaire billionaires! We are often reproached with “who was chosen” ?! You somehow forget, dear Russian brothers, that in Ukraine they vote not “For”, but “Against”. It’s interesting if the choice is “Yanukovych-Yulia” (which is already known that the thief and swindler at the highest level) So who to vote for?
          1. domokl
            domokl 23 August 2013 15: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: Egoza
            You somehow forget, dear Russian brothers, that in Ukraine they vote not “For”, but “Against”.

            Hello Elena. We don’t forget how to vote in Ukraine. Yes, and it’s not very important. We see the result. If you can talk about some tenths or even percent of rigged ones at the presidential elections, then we’ll talk about this in local and parliamentary elections it's funny. And what are the results? Even in the eastern regions, nationalists have been elected to power.
            Six months ago, when I spoke to Klitschko as a candidate for the presidency, the Ukrainians laughed. What do we see now? The boxer has already officially announced his desire. And the most interesting thing is that the Ukrainians will choose it. As it was with all the previous ones.
          2. michajlo
            michajlo 23 August 2013 15: 19 New
            +2
            Good afternoon, dear Elena!
            Thank you for your response to my post. Let's go in order.
            First:
            All laws without exception in all post-USSR and post-Socialist countries have been written and are constantly being improved FOR THE PROTECTION OF POLIT-ELITE from their PEOPLES.
            So far, I am not familiar with any law where the goal would be to protect people from the arbitrariness of the authorities ?!
            Second:
            Everything in the world has its limits and strength limits. In Ukraine (I follow the events from Slovakia), in my opinion, social pressure has long been beyond the red line of maximum working pressure ... The only question is when the power of popular outrage “tears off the lid” from the boiler with the proud inscription “Ukraine is independent” and what the price for this sobering and purification will be paid by ordinary people, citizens of all nationalities who will live in Ukraine.
            Thirdly:
            I personally fear that in Kiev, for a long time, under the guidance of “American artistic leaders” they have been learning “Lezginka” so that in 4-6 years Ukraine will be led “along the Caucasian path”, at the end of which Ukraine will not be divided into several parts!
            But this will not seem funny to anyone.
            Fourthly:
            The only question is the time and passive obedience of the people of their new Western prophets / Yanukovych, who, to the tale of what’s right around the bend of the "wide UKRAINIAN HIS PARADISE", they don’t understand that this hat ends in a narrow NECK in front of the GATE of the MEAT PLANT, from where it will be impossible to turn back ...

            And time is running out quickly, only our national "fat cats" in all the CIS / post-USSR countries, with the exception of Belarus, do not know what else to wish for themselves or how to have fun !?

            So what is a possible and real way out / more precisely crawling out of the "cesspool of self-propelled pit", you hope, you understand yourself? Mikhailo.
            1. domokl
              domokl 23 August 2013 19: 14 New
              +3
              Quote: michajlo
              in 4-6 years, Ukraine will be led "along the Caucasian path", at the end of which Ukraine will be SHARED by several parts!

              Alas, you give too much time. Everything will happen much faster. The current president, by his position of raskoryaki, will bring the people to a boil, but the next, as I say it will be Klitschko, Within a year, a maximum of two will break the country into three parts - the West and the center, east and Crimea. The embryo has already been noticed in the article. The local authorities wanted to spit on Kiev. What prevents them from deciding to create their own state? The army? The police? SBU? The practically big president is the naked king. The face is on TV, no more. And econo Mycically, parts of Ukraine have long been apart
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 23 August 2013 19: 20 New
                +5
                Quote: domokl
                Almost a big president, the naked king.


                about the king ............
                1. Corsair
                  Corsair 23 August 2013 23: 55 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Apollon
                  about the king ............

                  With humor and intelligibly!
                2. mirag2
                  mirag2 24 August 2013 15: 58 New
                  0
                  Strong, as the youth test video says.
        2. Corsair
          Corsair 24 August 2013 13: 23 New
          0
          Quote: michajlo
          You are mixing the concepts of "SALE KIEV ELITE" and "UKRAINIAN PEOPLE / CITIZENS"! These are various concepts.

          This is a no brainer, note that the word "Ukraine"in its meaning"STATE"...
          If I wanted to express what was said in the "that" comment in relation to the people of the state of Ukrainewould use the expression "UKRAINIANS"

          Carefully delve into the comments soldier
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 04 New
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      External migration
      Ten years ago, six months before the census-2002, the assistant to the President of the Russian Federation V.P. Ivanov published an interview with an incredible level of substantive frankness in AIF (N15, 2002). It can be stated that this interview, given six months before the census-2002, revealingly refuted (!) The results of not only this census, the closest one at that time, but also the results of the next census-2010! V. Ivanov warned that this is "the assessment data of law enforcement agencies, which, by the way, have never been published before."

      Last year, 2001 mln. Arrived through border control posts only from the CIS countries to Russia (14,5), and 11,5 million left the country, the rest was 3 million. The similar picture was in 1999 and 2000.

      Let's compare. V. Ivanov said that only during these three years (1999-2001) and only from the CIS countries the migration increase amounted to 9 million! However, the official Rosstat reports on migration exchange between the Russian Federation and the CIS countries for 1999-2001 have so far reported something completely different.

      1999 year: arrived - 362 708, left - 127 807, "remnant" - 234 901.
      2000 year: arrived - 346 774, left - 83 312, "remnant" - 263 462.
      2001 year: arrived - 183 650, left - 61 570, "remnant" - 122 080.

      From here, according to Rosstat, the migration increase from the CIS countries over 1999-2001 amounted to only 620 443. Please note: the Rosstat version differs from the figures from the VP interview. Ivanov in 15 times!

      If we take the indicator 3 million (from V. Ivanov) for a stable maximum, over the 1992-2001 years, the positive balance of the migration exchange of the Russian Federation with the CIS countries will be plus 30 million. If in the remaining years of this period a positive migration balance is assumed to be at least 1 million, then it was plus 16 million. Thus, it can be assumed that the average reference point of migration growth over 1992-2001 years only from the CIS countries was plus 23 million.

      According to law enforcement agencies, about 600 000 citizens of Azerbaijan live in Moscow, of which only 60 000 are officially registered, and only 13 people have registered for tax accounting. After six months, the census-2002 counted, but not in Moscow, but in the whole of the Russian Federation, 621 840 Azerbaijanis, and the census-2010 and even less - 603 070.
      Citizens of China in the capital are more than 100 000, and only 216 people are on tax records. The census-2002 found all 34 577 Chinese within the Russian Federation; and the census-2010 is 28 943.

      The question is inevitable: how many Chinese citizens are in Russia today? On this score, something is known. Oleg Slobodchikov, Ph.D. (Political Science), demographer, reports the following: “There are different estimates of the number of Chinese visitors on Russian territory: from 2-2,5 million to 5-10 million people” (AiF, N46, 2005). These were estimates of 2005 of the year. A year later, he was supplemented by Doctor of Economic Sciences Krasnikov, without specifying, however, the source: “2 million Chinese settle down annually in Russia” (28.06.2006. “Our version.” TVC).
      But nothing similar Rosstat stubbornly fixes. Meanwhile, the number of Chinese citizens within the Russian Federation can already be estimated at 10 million; and it turns out that the Tatars are no longer the second largest Russian people, but only the third! The second - the Chinese! It is even interesting how the ardent Tatar public (and not only Tatar) will react to this when it realizes what is happening.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 23 August 2013 10: 46 New
    10
    It is regrettable to observe all this .. Oh Slavs ..
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 07 New
      -3
      Extension
      According to the census-2002, in the Far Eastern Federal District there were only 6,5 million of citizens of the Russian Federation, and according to the census of 2010 - 6,3 million. In addition to the Chinese, who are in the country, apparently, 10 million, how many Vietnamese and Koreans? The question is legitimate: are we giving in, are we handing over the Far East? And how many migrants to the Russian Federation from the Arab world and from Africa?

      And from the interview with V.P. Ivanova: “The total number of foreigners in Russia today exceeds 10 million. About half of them are illegal immigrants. If no legislative measures are taken, the number of illegal immigrants by the year 2010 may increase to 19 million. ” The census-2002 took into account 239 thousand people, temporarily (less than 1 of the year, according to the Rosstat version) who were in the territory of the Russian Federation; and the census-2010 of those recorded 489 th.

      Beginning with 2004, the author of these lines patiently applied to the higher authorities of the country with a request to provide him with border control data on the total entry into the Russian Federation and the total exit from it. And it gave the result.

      21 February 2011 of the year I received the sixth letter from the FMS from 08.02.2011 NMS-3 / 2383 to NHRI-4 / 4 from 25.01.2011, which was signed by the head of the Organization and Analytical Department, Ms. E.A. Radochina. The most incredible is in the “supplement” to the sixth letter of the FMS - this is the data of border control for 2005-2010 years! I draw attention to the fact that neither on the FSB website (www.fsb.ru), nor on the FMS website (www.fms.gov.ru), nor on the Rosstat website www.gks.ru, this information is available!

      1 March 2011, I received the sixth letter from Rosstat from 18.02.2011 N8-0-20 / 146 to 4 / 5 from 25.01.2011, which, as always, was signed by the head of the Office of Population Statistics and Health, Ms. IA Zbarskaya. To quote a crucially important piece of it: “The time criterion for classifying the population as permanent is 12 months” (“Recommendations of the Conference of European Statisticians on Conducting Population and Housing Censuses 2010 of the Year”, United Nations Economic Commission for Europe, New York, Geneva, 2006).

      Citizens of the Russian Federation, foreign citizens and stateless persons registered in the territorial bodies of the Federal Migration Service at the place of residence or at the place of stay for a term of 1 a year or more (arrivals), as well as those removed from the register at the place of residence due to departure residence outside the Russian Federation (retired). The position of Rosstat on the issue of long-term migration accounting set out in previous answers (letters from 21.11.2004 N8-0-20 / 694; from 10.11.2006 N8-0-20 / 601; from 13.11. 2009 N8-0-20-916-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX-XNUMX; XNUMX. XNUMX .

      I will add that the letters from Rosstat from 30.03.2007 N8-0-20 / 164 and from 28.05.2010 N8-0-20 / 507 are not mentioned. There were five letters in total, this is the sixth.

      Fix the “position of Rosstat”: if the migrant “registered with the territorial offices of the Federal Migration Service at the place of residence”, but lived on it less than 1 of the year, or did not register at all, then he is not subject to “statistical observation”! That is, there is no way for him in Russia ?! How nice!

      And also note: I ask about border control data, and Rosstat provides data on registered (!) Long-term migration. I ask about one thing, and Rosstat answers completely about the other! But after the sixth letter of the FMS, such a reception by Rosstat looks just silly. Now we will study the parameters of unregistered (!) Long-term migration for 2005-2010 years.
  7. RBLip
    RBLip 23 August 2013 10: 46 New
    +4
    Quote: domokl
    Ukraine goes the way that was intended to Russia under EBEn

    how far have we gone from them? Ukraine’s example is indicative.
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 09 New
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      There is a danger of overloading the reader’s attention with minor figures from the “appendix” to the sixth letter of the FMS. Therefore, I quote the principal points. At the same time, I immediately show, and what the official site of Rosstat, www.gks.ru, reports about the same.

      "2005 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 25 506 720; including entry parts - 14 226 286, exit parts - 11 280 434. From these FSB data, it follows that the migration increase (the excess of entry into Russia over leaving it) in 2005 amounted to 2 945 852 (14 226 286 minus 11 280 434). And Rosstat informed us that only 107 432 (entered - 177 230, left - 69 798). Hence, the hidden (not reflected by Rosstat reports) part of the migration increment was 2 838 418 (2 945 852 minus 107 432). As they say in Odessa, feel the two big differences!

      "2006 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 27 848 010; including entry parts - 15 184 268, exit parts - 12 663 842. According to the FSB, the migration increase in 2006 was 2 520 426, and according to Rosstat, 132 319 (entered - 186 380, left - 54 062). The hidden part of the migration gain is 2 388 107.

      "2007 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 30 710 199; including entry parts - 16 416 852, exit parts - 14 293 347. According to the FSB, the migration increase in 2007 was 2 123 505, and according to Rosstat, 239 943 (entered - 286 056, left - 47 013). The hidden part of the migration gain is 1 883 562.

      "2008 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 33 684 200; including: entry parts - 18 011 718, exit parts - 15 672 482. According to the FSB, the migration increase in 2008 was 2 339 236, and according to Rosstat, 242 106 (entered - 281 614, left - 39 508). The hidden part of the migration gain is 2 097 130.

      "2009 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 36 241 217; including entry parts - 18 762 080, exit parts - 17 479 137. According to the FSB, the migration increase in 2009 was 1 282 943, and according to Rosstat, 247 449 (entered - 279 907, left - 32 458). The hidden part of the migration gain is 1 035 494.

      "2010 year. The total number of completed migration card forms received from border agencies of the FSB of Russia, 39 501 010; including entry parts - 20 588 911, exit parts - 18 912 099. According to the FSB, the migration increase in 2010 was 1 676 812, and according to Rosstat, 158 079 (entered - 191 656, left - 33 577). The hidden part of the migration gain is 1 518 733.

      Summing up. PS of the FSB of Russia recorded that the actual (!) Migration increase for 2005-2010 years - 12 888 774. And according to Rosstat, a long-term migration increase, registered (!) By the territorial bodies of the FMS, is 1 127 328. Thus, the unregistered, and therefore hidden, part of the migration increase over the 2005-2010 years (not reflected by the Rosstat chronicles) was 11 761 446. Got a “subtlety” ?!
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 22: 02 New
      +2
      Quote: RBLip
      how far have we gone from them? Ukraine’s example is indicative.

      But it is worth making an elementary comparison and everything will fall into place.

      In your opinion, everything is bad with us, but in Ukraine "our problems" are reflected in the geometric progression ...
  8. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 23 August 2013 10: 47 New
    +9
    It's time to restore the population, a hint understood.
    Well, shake the old days with the Slav brothers?
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 10 New
      -1
      Extension
      In the 2005-2010 years, the Rosstat, with its chronicles, “legalized” less than 10% of the real migration increase of this period!

      Let's compare. According to Rosstat, the migration increase for 1989-2010 amounted to 7 million, and the FSB of Russia FS recorded that only for 2005-2010 years the actual migration increase was 12 888 774. In my opinion, the interview of V.P. Ivanov in AiF (N15, 2002) and the “appendix” to the sixth letter of the FMS unconditionally refute (!) The results of the 2002 and 2010 censuses from Rosstat!

      Finally, to illustrate what is happening, consider the absurd situation. Imagine that in the 2005-2010 years, Ms. I.A. Zbarskaya (head of the Department of Population and Health Statistics of Rosstat) in her own apartment or in her own cottage recorded a migration increase in external migrants to 13! Naturally, she turns in all instances and asks for clean up. And in response, he hears that at her address “is registered with the territorial body of the FMS and lives more than 1 of the year” of the entire 1 (one) migrant! The rest are not subject to "statistical observation"!

      Missed chapter "Strategy-2020"
      So far, two key indicators remain outside the framework of the discussion of the demographic situation in the Russian Federation, and now the national issue. For 1992-2011, the extinction of the Russian people (from Rosstat reports) was no less than 20 million. And the migration increase, as we saw above, averages not less than plus 2 million per year, and for 23 of the year (1989 -2011) guaranteed to exceed 40 million. And since the migration growth in Rosstat for 1989-2010 was only plus 7 million (5,5 million for 1989 and 1,5 million for 2003-2010), its hidden part is today no less than plus 35 million!

      By virtue of this default, these discussions simply cannot reach the level of convergence of these two processes into one! Meanwhile, the presentation of these two processes in continuity makes a strong impression, especially if you enter into the calculations the hidden part of the migration increase! Since the author does not yet have full border control data for 1992-2011 years, further is calculated at the level of the order of numbers.

      Every year of the 1992-2011 period, Russia is in the red for 1 million endangered Russians (based on Rosstat data) and positive for 2 million migration gains (based on interviews of top officials of the Russian Federation and border control data for 2005-2010. ). The migration increase of the Russian people was approximately balanced by the natural growth of all other peoples of the Russian Federation, both historically indigenous to Russia and those who came from external migration.

      It follows that every year of the 1992-2011 period, the excess of the number of the Russian people over the number of all other peoples of the Russian Federation was reduced by 3 million! That is, this excess should have been reduced over the years by 60 million. It should have been, but I remind you that during the censuses of 2002 and 2010 to 5 million, the respondents revised their national identity and called themselves Russians. Russian 5 million "arrived", and all other nations - "departed."

      And because the excess of the number of the Russian people over the number of all other peoples of the Russian Federation has declined in twenty years (1992-2011) not by 60 million, but “only” by 50 million! Just!
      According to the 12 census of January 1989, the number of Russian people in the RSFSR was 119,9 million, and the number of all other peoples was 27,1 million. That is, the Russian people outnumbered the other peoples of the RSFSR by 92,8 million.
  9. Corsair
    Corsair 23 August 2013 10: 48 New
    +5
    Quote from the article:
    According to the head of the Ministry of Sports, among the causes of high mortality in Ukraine are the consumption and promotion of alcohol and cigarettes.


    But for some 22x years, the minister for some reason kept silent about the "activity" of a series of presidents and governments ...
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 12 New
      -1
      Extension
      I repeat once again: as soon as the hidden part of the migration increase for 1989-2010 is entered into the calculations - no less than 35 million, the statistics on demography in the Russian Federation immediately undergo a dramatic revision!

      Currently, the resident population of the Russian Federation is not at all 143 million, as Rosstat says, but about 180 million: Russians - 110 million (60%), all other peoples - 70 million (40%). The excess of the number of the Russian people over the number of all other nations today is no more than 40 million! By the way, there is a reason to correlate among themselves 180 million of the resident population of the Russian Federation and the mortality rate shown by Rosstat in recent years in 2 million per year.

      And finally, the main thing: what's next? What predictions are calculated on the basis of the already well-known dynamics of the extinction of the Russian people and its replacement by external migration? Nothing comforting: the unified process of extinction of the Russian people and its replacement by external migration passes to the next stage.

      Here it is necessary to remind something. In 1987, in the RSFSR 2-2,1 million Russian children were born (with a total birth rate of 2,5 million). And in the 1993 year, already in the Russian Federation, only 1 million were born to Russian children (with a total birth rate less than 1,4 million). And after 1993, in the Russian Federation, 1 million (plus or minus 100 000) is born in Russian children a year.

      In 2011, the first Novorossiysk Russian generation, 1993, was born. If the two-to-one ratio in the neighboring generations of the Russian people persists (there are no other preconditions yet), then in 2015-2020 a second “Novorossiyansky” Russian generation will emerge, which will be only 500 000 (plus or minus 100 000 ) in year.

      And in the current decade (2010-2020) there will be a significant transition-shift: the Russian people will have less children than all other peoples of Russia! Let me remind you that quite recently, in the 1987 year, the Russian people had four times more children than all other nations.

      Beginning with the 1994 year, the Russian mortality rate regularly reaches the mark of 2 million per year; total mortality, according to Rosstat, to 2,37 million in 2003 year. However, considering that in the 50 of the 20th century more than 2,5 million children per year were born in the RSFSR, taking into account the current life expectancy and especially considering the migration increase, there is every reason to expect that in 2015-2020 the total mortality in Russia will reach 3 million per year. Russian mortality at the same time will reach the level of 2,5 million per year.

      Beginning with 1993, the Russian people are dying out by 1 million per year. But, as we see, there is good reason to expect that in 2015-2020 years, the extinction of the Russian people will reach 2 million per year!
      Assume that the migration increase will remain at the level of 2 million per year. At the same time, the migration increase of the Russian people will continue to decline and may turn into a migration decline. It is obvious that the natural growth of all other peoples of Russia, indigenous and newcomers, will continue to grow. Consequently, there is every reason to expect that the excess of the number of the Russian people over the number of all other peoples of the Russian Federation during this period (2015-2020) will begin to decline already by 4 million per year!
      1. nikcris
        nikcris 24 August 2013 12: 37 New
        +1
        Your calculations on population based on migration cards are unthinkable nonsense.

        You, apparently, never crossed the border of the Russian Federation. And you don’t understand why there are ten times more migration cards than migrants.
        PS And Ivanov is another Xpert.
    2. ars_pro
      ars_pro 23 August 2013 19: 51 New
      +1
      Of course I didn’t say anything and didn’t say anything else
      1. Prices for medicine
      2. The price of treatment
      3. Prices for medical education
      Although they themselves buy ties and watches for such amounts that it would be possible to feed many children and not close kindergartens and even boarding schools, which they actually do
  10. alone
    alone 23 August 2013 10: 54 New
    +9
    according to the census in Russia at the time of the collapse of the USSR, approximately 148,5 million people lived in Russia. Now the population is 143,5 million. but there is one thing. over 20 years, millions of migrants and members of their families became Russian citizens. Czech Republic, Russia lost at least three Czech Republics, if not more! and this is a fact. I think the bitter truth is much better than a sweet lie
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 23 August 2013 11: 05 New
      +7
      Quote: lonely
      over 20 years, millions of migrants and members of their families have become Russian citizens. If these people are not taken into account (according to some reports there are up to 15 million people), then it turns out that the situation in Ukraine is much better than in Russia.

      A bit sly "but", don’t you? Let's not count both in Europe and in the states of migrants. States generally a country of migrants, how many of them travel there? The census shows the number of citizens of the country, wherever they come from. The demography of Russians is another matter. After all, the population of Ukraine due to migrants has not grown, is it? Most developed countries at the expense of migrants just keep the population. The absolutely positive growth dynamics is demonstrated mainly by the countries of the third world, where having many children is the norm.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 August 2013 12: 49 New
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        After all, the population of Ukraine due to migrants has not grown, is it?


        And I wonder why?
        Apparently Ukraine is not such an attractive target for migration ...
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 23 August 2013 11: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      according to the census in Russia at the time of the collapse of the USSR, approximately 148,5 million people lived in Russia. Now the population is 143,5 million. but there is one thing. over 20 years, millions of migrants and members of their families became Russian citizens. Czech Republic, Russia lost at least three Czech Republics, if not more! and this is a fact. I think the bitter truth is much better than a sweet lie

      Well, basically, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Georgians and Russians from Kazakhstan and Ukraine became the citizens of Russia, the proportion from Asians is low, then we do not forget about Abkhaz and Ossetian citizens, and almost everyone has a Russian passport.
      1. alone
        alone 23 August 2013 11: 28 New
        +1
        If you know ALI, it is easier to look for a speck in the eyes of others, and not notice the log in your own.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 August 2013 12: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: lonely
          If you know ALI, it is easier to look for a speck in the eyes of others, and not notice the log in your own.

          drinks
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 23 August 2013 13: 07 New
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        Well, basically, Azerbaijanis, Armenians, Georgians and Russians from Kazakhstan and Ukraine became the citizens of Russia, the proportion from Asians is low, then we do not forget about Abkhaz and Ossetian citizens, and almost everyone has a Russian passport.


        That is, Russia is still ATTRACTIVE for migration?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 August 2013 14: 57 New
          +5
          Quote: Corsair
          That is, Russia is still ATTRACTIVE for migration?

          no damn, everyone here is forcibly imported))))
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 23 August 2013 15: 44 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            no damn, everyone here is forcibly imported))))

            Those who, albeit "brought in a bag", but coexist with Russia as PEOPLE - let them live, to mutual satisfaction ...
            But what about those who "skkodit" and does not want to "get exported" in any way?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 23 August 2013 21: 28 New
              +5
              Quote: Corsair
              Those who, albeit "brought in a bag", but coexist with Russia as PEOPLE - let them live, to mutual satisfaction ...

              think correctly.
              Quote: Corsair
              But what about those who "skkodit" and does not want to "get exported" in any way?

              Muzzle down and to their homeland. Everyone knows perfectly well where they are and how many of them. And the people should move the government.
    3. Andrey312
      Andrey312 23 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +3
      But then it’s too late to talk about who is to blame .... what needs to be done ... and so that everything is not limited to reasoning, but turns into a focused long-term state course to stimulate population growth, and not at the expense of migrants from Central Asia. And this is not "give maternal capital - we take maternal capital." And you do not need to compare Russia with other countries of the post-Soviet space and say that there is worse ... you need to build your own course, and not be happy that we have 0,0002% better than theirs ... The state is full of opportunities for this .... you need only a little distraction from stuffing your pockets.
    4. ZU-23
      ZU-23 23 August 2013 11: 43 New
      +8
      Russian - East Slavic people. The largest indigenous people of Russia (according to the 2010 All-Russian Census, makes up more than 80% of the population, the most numerous people in Europe. Muslims in Russia officially do not have 10% and we must not forget that these are our Tatars and the peoples of the Caucasus. Just Russians in Russia come home from work and do not rummage through the streets, not Russians and guest workers live in a room of 10 people and from this they are crowded into the street and in taverns, hence the visual feeling that Russia is not Russian alone. According to American data, we should have lost since 2000 10 million people, but Russia has increased by 10 million, perhaps there is an influx of foreigners, but no more than 3 million, since we have a good birth rate.
    5. Russ69
      Russ69 23 August 2013 16: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      But there is one thing. For 20 years, millions of migrants and members of their families have become Russian citizens.

      Looking to whom to consider as migrants, in the 90s a lot of Russians came from Asian republics. Now the largest number of people receives Russian citizenship from Ukraine.
      1. alone
        alone 23 August 2013 17: 57 New
        +3
        I don’t argue about the national composition of those who received citizenship. I want to say that. Starting from 2002 to 2010, the number of Russians decreased by 4872211 people. And this is only according to official statistics. I personally am always suspicious of official statistics.
    6. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 13 New
      0
      Extension
      At the same time, it can be assumed that with the simplification of the visa regime with the European Union, the United States and other countries, a mass departure will begin from the Russian Federation, and above all, Russian youth - cultural, educated, law-abiding, with European face control! Today, opinion polls show that over the past twenty years (1992-2011), the share of those who would like to leave the Russian Federation has increased from 5% to 21%; and this is at least 30 million people!

      Summing up. Before 2020, the Russian people will die out by no less than 10 million; all other peoples of Russia will increase their number by a natural increase by another plus 7-8 million; the migration increase of foreign migrants for Russia will be another plus 20 million, minus the quite possible departure of several million Russians from Russia. Forgot nothing?
      These calculations show that by 2020, the current excess of the number of the Russian people over the number of all other peoples of the Russian Federation in 40 million will evaporate! And in the 2020 area, the share of the Russian people in the total population of the Russian Federation will fall below 50%. In my view, this is an objective condition for the beginning of the last collapse of Russia according to the Yugoslav scenario. With ours, of course, the specifics, but will not find it enough.

      This does not mean that the collapse of Russia will begin exactly in the 2020 year or sometime later. The collapse may begin before the 2020 year! We all see that the course of history is dizzyingly speeding up, and that weak states are crushing and swept away ruthlessly! I hope no one will argue that over the past twenty years (1992-2011) Russia has become stronger by 20 million extinct Russians ?! Or is it that the latent migration growth in 35 million of foreign migrants who arrived “raised Russia from its knees” ?!

      His first election article V.V. Putin called "Russia is focusing." But the achieved dynamics of the extinction of the Russian people and its replacement by external migration shows the exact opposite: Russia is rapidly spreading! Is it possible that during the 12 years of their stay in the highest posts of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin did not understand this ?!

      And the Moscow and St. Petersburg clever men, those who first composed the “Concept-2020”, then the “Strategy-2020”, in which the stages of the “further development” of the “new democratic Great Russia” before the 2020 year began, V.V. Putin spent hours chirping on television about anything - did they not understand this either ?! What to say to this: the poor fellows have embraced the ideas of "market democracy" and "rootless globalism" for the most!

      And there is something to think about: after the collapse of the Soviet Union, today's Russia was given only thirty years to have less than half of its population in Russia. And twenty of these thirty years have passed!
  11. seller trucks
    seller trucks 23 August 2013 11: 03 New
    +4
    "Over the years of Ukraine’s independence, its population has decreased by 12 million people. This is more than the entire population of the Czech Republic."


    Yes, you’re my friend, an optimist, the situation is many times worse, evidence? easy. Having lived in the Russian Federation for almost 20 years, having citizenship and a Russian passport, I still actually am a citizen of Ukraine, just like the whole family of my brother (4 people). In order for me to be deprived of Ukrainian citizenship I need to write a letter addressed to the President of Ukraine, do I need it? And how many of these, God alone knows. I personally know one and a half to two dozen people.
    1. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 23 August 2013 11: 46 New
      12
      Similarly! Since the 88th, I have been living here with my family. The same situation with dual citizenship. Grandchildren are already finishing kindergarten. SO WHAT??? I already don’t remember my native language ... And what to trump with some of my citizenship? I am a Russian, I am a Russian, I am a Tatar, also with a passport ... And I am a citizen of the Union! I am a Slovenian. Although originally from Ukraine. SO WHAT??? The second homeland has become more native than native. Only three children live in Russia, but how many more people are running around the Union - God alone knows! Demography-pornography .. DRINK Less! And women love more. And you can know how to make sounds only in languages!
      1. MG42
        MG42 23 August 2013 14: 54 New
        +5
        Cool Photoshop laughing however, Yanukovych deserves such a beauty, Medvedev’s cadet is good without photoshop ..
      2. Russ69
        Russ69 23 August 2013 16: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: CaptainBlack
        Similarly! Since the 88th, I have been living here with my family. The same situation with dual citizenship. Grandchildren are already finishing kindergarten. SO WHAT??? I don’t even remember my native language ...

        My neighbor lives on the street, Azerbojjanets himself, though he was born in Russia during the USSR, he only brought his wife in the 90s from his native places. He told such a story; his daughter studied with him when in the 5th grade, as she came from school, well, he asked the phrase “How are things at school?”, she answered; "A newcomer appeared in our class, some kind of chock." And at the very thought in his head flashed "But who is it?" Judging by the Russians. He walked with irony and said, Russified completely. The daughter only speaks Russian, he himself is a little bit, only the wife can do something else.
        1. alone
          alone 23 August 2013 17: 49 New
          +6
          bully killed)))))))))))))))
  12. dimon-media
    dimon-media 23 August 2013 11: 11 New
    +8
    The introduction of a firing squad for drug dealers (as in China) can dramatically improve the situation in any country. here both Ukraine and Russia are no exception. Basically, after all, this rubbish is consumed by people of reproductive age and there are a lot of them. What the hell are their children if they are sitting on a gyryche, roughly speaking?
  13. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 23 August 2013 11: 30 New
    11
    Quote: MIKHAN
    It is regrettable to observe all this .. Oh Slavs ..

    We ought to: HEY SLAVES, UNION! Indeed, the enemy is ONE with us! soldier
    1. Andrey312
      Andrey312 23 August 2013 11: 49 New
      +2
      And is it necessary to be friends against someone?
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      1. Essenger
        Essenger 23 August 2013 12: 08 New
        +9
        This is already inciting ethnic hatred.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 August 2013 12: 15 New
          +3
          Quote: Essenger
          This is already inciting ethnic hatred.

          This is normal)) There are so many computer heroes)))
        2. Circle
          Circle 23 August 2013 12: 27 New
          0
          Even worse. This is the execution of the order of Clintons and the like. Divide and rule.
    3. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neon
      We ought to: HEY SLAVES, UNION! Indeed, the enemy is ONE with us!

      This is the only hope! Reunite. Where are we going? good
  14. Arkan
    Arkan 23 August 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    The Russian state should stimulate the growth of its own population. In St. Petersburg, after the birth of a child, the city pays 25000 rubles for diapers.
  15. vostok1982
    vostok1982 23 August 2013 11: 38 New
    16
    Friends! Many of you judge Ukraine by our pro-Western government, corrupt media and outright idiots who call themselves politicians who can be brought to power only where they need to destroy a lot and not build at all - that is, in the country that Ukraine has become.
    When projecting impressions of the media and the above idiots to the people of Ukraine, you make a mistake and fall into the very trap for which they pay the pro-Western government, idiots and the media. The Ukrainian people are for the most part reunited with the rest of Russia. Among my acquaintances, only one is against, but he is a typical "rural goon" and a man who is extremely narrow-minded. People are normal, able to see things as they really are, as well as look at least a couple of years ahead - for an alliance with Russia.
    That is why the people of Ukraine twice chose Kuchma and chose Yanukovych, who in their program vowed to come closer to Russia and make Russian the official language. Yushchenko did not choose the people - he was promoted by the West through the orange coup. Thus, we can clearly see that although the people of Ukraine regularly speak out “for” and choose the appropriate power, becoming power, politicians regularly deceive the people.
    The people of Ukraine, both Russians (and do not forget that in Ukraine there are about 10 million Russians, mainly in the south and east of the country) and Ukrainians cannot change the situation by legal methods. In order to change the situation, external assistance is needed - for Russia. This is the only way out.
    1. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 23 August 2013 11: 59 New
      17
      I fully support !!! It’s just that Yanukovych needs to fall in front of Lithuania, so that Putin calls the Kremlin urgently, and Valuev gives the pill properly! Schaub, an idiot, accidentally did not get his tongue confused when he refused to cooperate with the EU.
    2. transbiz-ka
      transbiz-ka 23 August 2013 12: 57 New
      +6
      I join your opinion and want to add that the people of Ukraine are more occupied with everyday problems, which are enough, and the protesters are not those who express the majority opinion. These are paid shares and participating in them are also at WORK.
  16. Essenger
    Essenger 23 August 2013 11: 51 New
    +8
    Recently I looked at demographic indicators in Russia.

    Over the past 10 years, Russians have decreased by 5 million, Ukrainians by 1 million, Belarusians by 300 thousand Tatars by 240 thousand, Chuvash and Germans by 200 thousand, Bashkirs and Udmurts by 100 thousand.

    Now, for those who are in positive territory, the phenomenal indicator among Uzbeks grew by 135%, that is, 120 thousand became 300 thousand, in general, Chechens, Dagestan peoples (Avars, Lezgins, Kumyks and Dargins), Kyrgyz and Tajiks gave an increase of 60 -100 thousand each.
    Slightly added Yakuts, Tuvans, Ingush and Ossetians.

    Kabardins, Azerbaijanis and Kazakhs, 500 thousand, 600 thousand and 650 thousand, respectively, lost a little bit.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 23 August 2013 12: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Essenger
      Kabardins, Azerbaijanis and Kazakhs, 500 thousand, 600 thousand and 650 thousand, respectively, lost a little bit.

      Che did not understand the latter. Explain on the fingers)))
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 23 August 2013 12: 39 New
        +4
        hahaha) Sorry, I probably didn’t put it right. I wrote their numbers in turn.

        Kabardinians were 520 thousand, now 517 thousand minus 3 thousand
        Azerbaijanis were 620 thousand, right now 603 thousand, minus 17 thousand

        Kazakhs 654 thousand, it became 648 thousand, minus 6 thousand
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      1. Corsair
        Corsair 23 August 2013 12: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: CaptainBlack
        ....... - creature survivable


        I would also like to use the highlighted word in my comments laughing but the "word filter" swears fellow .
        Share the “terrible secret” HOW you manage to use THIS SCARY WORD belay
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  17. grafrozow
    grafrozow 23 August 2013 12: 11 New
    +3
    Quote: vostok1982
    Friends! Many of you judge Ukraine by our pro-Western government, corrupt media and outright idiots who call themselves politicians who can be brought to power only where they need to destroy a lot and not build at all - that is, in the country that Ukraine has become.
    There is nothing to add a report from the scene, +++. And in Russia ...- there is a kindergarten near the house, I look at the children and less and less trust our statistics.
  18. slaventi
    slaventi 23 August 2013 12: 19 New
    +3
    One can only regret. As of January 15 2013, the population of Ukraine was 45 553 000 people, which, excluding those who earn money, decreased by 6,500 thousand
    this is approximately 12,5%. On January 1 of 2013, according to Rosstat in Russia, there were 143 347 059 [1] permanent residents. The population of Russia decreased by 5 million, this is approximately 4%. But it is necessary to take into account in Russia the Russian population was mainly reduced. in Russia it was still due to the resettlement of Russian and other peoples from other republics of the former USSR. In general, the losses of the Russian Ukrainian people are not less than 15 million, which is comparable to the losses in the Second World War. And if you take into account how many could be born, millions and millions more can be added. There were population losses among others arods, but they are minimal in relation to the Russians and Ukrainians. Now in Russia the situation has stabilized somewhat, this population decline is not happening as before. But still, the number of the Russian population in relation to other nations is decreasing. There is a massive importation of guest workers who occupy our jobs , and the local population loses their qualifications and gets drunk.
    This situation arose as a result of the collapse of the USSR and the establishment of pro-American collaborationist regimes on its wreckage. Through which a policy of "soft genocide" was pursued and is being carried out. The exception is Belarus, but they have Batko.
    To change the situation, it is necessary to restore sovereignty and return to tradition.
    1. aleksandroff
      aleksandroff 23 August 2013 15: 55 New
      +6
      Have you seen a lot of drinkers? Every day I see on the street only sober people and in the village of my mother, when I arrived, I saw only three out of 4 thousand people, but these three have been drinking since the beginning of the 90s. And people try to work and build houses and buy cars. Ask the youth, they are now almost all for a healthy lifestyle. Less and less with beer and cigarettes. With me, two friends quit smoking for a week. God give them help. You just need to open your eyes. And then they are used to seeing their neighbor drunk from the 90s and thinking that everyone is like that. Speaking of Ukrainians. My sister was traveling by train from Ukraine, so the Ukrainians went to Russia next to her to earn money. They poured mud on Russia and everyone who lives in it so that she would be scared to say that she is from Russia. Only they are going to this dirty Russia to earn. I have never been against the Ukrainians and still wish for unification, but after this I want the borders from all except Kazakhstan and Belarus to be closed. By the way, kindergartens are being built in Mordovia and a lot of children and pregnant women are visible. In the evening we go out for a walk and my heart rejoices, hundreds of people with children and no one drunk. And a lot of strollers for twins. I myself have three from 3 to 10 years. People with whom I communicate, many want even more than two children, and in no way because of maternal capital. Women laugh when asked if they give birth for mat. Capital. You just have to look happier and you'll notice good things. And yet, when they say that everything is bad, I recall the 90s, when they ate potatoes with potato bouleen. Let these morons live like I did in the 90s, and how many did. Every day here we were shooting, as if in a war.
      1. slaventi
        slaventi 23 August 2013 16: 50 New
        +3
        Have you seen many drinkers?


        I saw a lot and many already. And the empty villages where part of the inhabitants left and some buried. During the Cold War, whole institutes worked that studied the psychology and weaknesses of certain peoples. Drinking people is one of the elements of reducing the indigenous population spent by the Anglo-Saxons. the time the British overwhelmed China with opium. The so-called opium wars were fought. So in 1842, the empire's population was 416 118 200 people, of which 2 million drug addicts, in 1881 year - 369 183 000 people, of which 120 million drug addicts. [Source?] As a result, millions of Chinese people died. population through alcoholization is technology. The national republics are less affected.
        1. Ivan_Ivanov
          Ivan_Ivanov 23 August 2013 17: 25 New
          +3
          And there are a lot of drinkers (which is bad).

          And alcohol consumption is falling (which is good).

          To say one thing is a half-truth, a manipulation of facts.
  19. Atlantus
    Atlantus 23 August 2013 12: 28 New
    +4
    Quote: Mitek
    Quote: Civil
    And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

    And in Russia now is the "baby boom". Look out the window, but come to the children's clinic. All friends already have 2 children. Some already have three. The program "maternity capital" is perhaps the best that was accepted. And now this near-minded Nedimon is trying to cut her (the program). So that you are not entirely fair to the demographic situation in Russia. Of course, if you need an honest assessment, rather than shouting "how bad everything is" and "it's time to blame."
    PS the very second 4.5 months. The future intelligence officer is growing).


    Yeah. We in the North Caucasus ... also booming ... Wherever you look .... four to five. In schools, children's clinics, markets, streets. And the population is arriving. Only the female part in hijabs.
  20. Atlantus
    Atlantus 23 August 2013 12: 33 New
    0
    Quote: ZU-23
    Russian - East Slavic people. The largest indigenous people of Russia (according to the 2010 All-Russian Census, makes up more than 80% of the population, the most numerous people in Europe. Muslims in Russia officially do not have 10% and we must not forget that these are our Tatars and the peoples of the Caucasus. Just Russians in Russia come home from work and do not rummage through the streets, not Russians and guest workers live in a room of 10 people and from this they are crowded into the street and in taverns, hence the visual feeling that Russia is not Russian alone. According to American data, we should have lost since 2000 10 million people, but Russia has increased by 10 million, perhaps there is an influx of foreigners, but no more than 3 million, since we have a good birth rate.


    Russia has increased. At the expense of migrants.
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 23 August 2013 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Atlantus
      Russia has increased. At the expense of migrants.

      Over the past year, the natural increase for some months was in the black, though for the year it’s like -8000. Compared to what it was before, up to several hundred thousand, the result is obvious.
      According to Forbes, the birth rate in Russia exceeded the birth rate in the United States.
  21. nick7680
    nick7680 23 August 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    They started talking about the demographic crisis in the Ukrainian SSR in the late 60s, it’s just a payment for industrialization - the urban family does not want to have 4-5 children.
    It’s just that the 90s saw the peak of deaths and a decline in the birth rate, the generation of the 30s was dying, now the mortality rate has decreased, the birth rate is growing slightly, this year for the first time they reached a positive natural population growth. And in recent years, the gap is not 500 thousand, but about 70 thousand.
  22. Atlantus
    Atlantus 23 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: DC 3
    And there appeared, albeit for now a "languid" one, but a tendency towards population growth.


    In light of the fact that the government can abolish maternal capital, this sluggish tendency can be lost.


    If you say "Russia" meant the titular nation, this is one thing ....
  23. serge
    serge 23 August 2013 12: 42 New
    +3
    Abortion must be banned, and the Russian population will return to its previous size in five years. Asians and Caucasians do not do abortions, only Slavs. Russian losses from abortion - eight (!!!!) million people a year.
    1. bomg.77
      bomg.77 23 August 2013 13: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: serge
      Abortion must be banned, and the Russian population will return to its previous size in five years. Asians and Caucasians do not do abortions, only Slavs. Russian losses from abortion - eight (!!!!) million people a year.
      This is the very first thing that the Russian authorities should have done, and only then as an incentive to introduce maternal capital. You are a plus!
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 23 August 2013 15: 07 New
      +5
      Quote: serge
      Abortion must be banned, and the Russian population will return to its previous size in five years.

      Need to turn off the television !!! I remember how in the city of Slavutich (which was built near Chernobyl for shift workers) there was an accident and there was no electricity for 3-4 days ... so then there was SUCH BABY BOOM! I had to URGENTLY open two new nursery schools! laughing
      1. serge
        serge 23 August 2013 16: 21 New
        +2
        Egoza
        Need to turn off the television !!!
        -------------
        It would be nice. TV is engaged in frank brainwashing of the population. Stupid talk shows, series, the darkness of crime chronicle, plebeian mysticism and Chernukha, coupled with overt American-Zionist propaganda. In general, in the era of the Internet, television is no longer necessary.
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 23 August 2013 20: 49 New
          +1
          If you turn off the TV, then how will the people see the viceroy of God on earth, they will forget their savior ,,,,, for me to never see him ....
  24. nick7680
    nick7680 23 August 2013 12: 52 New
    +3
    I talked about Ukraine, not Russia.
    and in Ukraine, benefits are given with the birth of the first child - approximately 120 thousand rubles, the second - 240 thousand rubles, 3 - 480 thousand rubles.
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: nick7680
      I talked about Ukraine, not Russia.
      and in Ukraine, benefits are given with the birth of the first child - approximately 120 thousand rubles, the second - 240 thousand rubles, 3 - 480 thousand rubles.


      In Ukraine, acquaintances with the birth allowance of the SECOND child (2006 year) were paid AS FIRST, without "counting" the existing child (born in 1997) laughing fellow lol wassat
      1. nick7680
        nick7680 23 August 2013 13: 42 New
        +2
        in 2006 it was less, but I won’t argue about the actions of the services
  25. voliador
    voliador 23 August 2013 12: 57 New
    +4
    The main thing is that those in power on these people simply do not care how many were born, how many died - they do not care.
  26. pensioner
    pensioner 23 August 2013 12: 59 New
    +5
    Quote: Civil
    And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

    As there in a global sense - I do not know. Yes, and I doubt that the data on the population and forecasts in this area, given in open sources, are true. But here is an example of our organization, where the average age of employees is probably not up to 35 years, it is clear that there is a baby boom. And not frail. Talk about nurseries and kindergartens by a large margin in first place in the ranking of topics ...
  27. pensioner
    pensioner 23 August 2013 13: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: seller trucks
    aha, schaz, fit. Mr. Onishchenko will prescribe them a “tonic enema". "every cricket, know your hearth"

    Yes, the husband ... He is in the palm of the oil and in the engines Motor Sich will find ...
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 August 2013 15: 14 New
      +5
      Quote: retired
      It is in-kind palm oil and in the engines Motor Sich will find.

      Do not! Motr Sich now produces meat grinders ... high-quality. (She tried one herself)!
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 23 August 2013 15: 23 New
        +4
        Good. I do not attempt to grind a meat grinder. stop A meat grinder on the farm is sacred ... Well then, in the wallpaper or somewhere else, but it will find negative. 100%
  28. VadimSt
    VadimSt 23 August 2013 13: 16 New
    +6
    Quote: DC 3
    I live in Kazakhstan ...

    I live in Ukraine ... Who the hell out of those in power are interested in some kind of demography! Some of the first persons, perhaps, do not even know the words! They created a paradise for themselves and their environment - for the rest, a ghetto will be enough.
    1. nick7680
      nick7680 23 August 2013 13: 42 New
      +4
      You are wrong - Yanukovych promised 50 million by 2020))))
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 23 August 2013 16: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: nick7680
        Yanukovych promised 50 million by 2020))))

        belay Will it really be ...
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 23 August 2013 19: 11 New
          +6
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: nick7680
          Yanukovych promised 50 million by 2020))))

          belay Will it really be ...

          Do you know exactly what he said about the population? Maybe he talked about 50 million bucks in his pocket? repeat
      2. uizik
        uizik 23 August 2013 23: 21 New
        +1
        Will he rivet the children?
        1. smile
          smile 24 August 2013 00: 57 New
          +1
          uizik
          That is not ... he will give birth to them ... so to speak, personally ... :)))
    2. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 24 New
      0
      Quote: VadimSt
      I live in Ukraine ... Who the hell out of those in power are interested in some kind of demography! Some of the first persons, perhaps, do not even know the words! They created a paradise for themselves and their environment - for the rest, a ghetto will be enough.

      We are not far from you.
  29. KG_patriot_last
    KG_patriot_last 23 August 2013 13: 33 New
    +2
    I recall the fate of a certain Anastasia Grishai. Very beautiful woman. And why did she go to work for western hucksters?
  30. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 23 August 2013 13: 43 New
    +2
    Not to gloating. All this is very sad.
  31. Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 23 August 2013 13: 54 New
    +2
    Fools, they are erased from the face of the earth and they are looking for enemies in the neighbors. Probably, in our demographic disaster, too, only their “Ukraine” is to blame.
    12 million people, how much is your poor freedom?
  32. Vtel
    Vtel 23 August 2013 14: 03 New
    +1
    During the years of independence of Ukraine, its population has decreased by 12 million people.

    All in all, the plan of the managers of independent Ukraine to improve the welfare of its citizens - fewer people, fewer expenses, fewer demonstrators, more salaries for those who are "above" the people, more places on the beach, etc. But the most obscene sho is approaching Geyvropa and not what kind of "sewer" will not help. A tolerant shit democracy plan in action.
  33. Horst78
    Horst78 23 August 2013 14: 07 New
    +1
    Something a lot of depressed articles about fraternal Ukraine sad
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 23 August 2013 15: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Horst78
      Something a lot of depressed articles about fraternal Ukraine

      Why are depressed? Thank God that there are still people who write the TRUTH. Maybe at least part of the population will think hard. (The government of the newspaper does not read and "does not notice" such articles)
      1. Horst78
        Horst78 23 August 2013 19: 45 New
        0
        Just some kind of deja vu, they also said that about Russia, but we get out quietly. The main thing in your head is to change your depression to positive smile smile smile
        PS. I wonder who minus what
  34. And raid
    And raid 23 August 2013 14: 37 New
    0
    This is all natural and normal for all post-Soviet countries (the era of change), after 50 years everything will settle down and there will be an increase, which everyone will also be afraid of. You didn’t notice that people are afraid of everything, or the government is so scaring the crowd!
    1. MG42
      MG42 23 August 2013 14: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: AndRade
      This is all natural and normal for all post-Soviet countries (the era of changes), after 50 years everything will settle down and growth will go

      After 50 years .. many do not live up to 50 years ..
      22 years of independence, but no growth, even despite the fact that recently there are specials. program mat. help at birth, the amount increases at the birth of the second and third child, but there is no increase ..
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 23 August 2013 15: 22 New
        +5
        Quote: MG42
        recently there are specials. program mat. help at birth, the amount increases at the birth of the second and third child, but there is no increase ..

        Naturally! In the city - 2-3 children, but where to live? In the parent "Khrushchok" along with grandparents? Not many can buy an apartment, even got into debt with a bank. Again, there is no certainty about tomorrow (in the sense of work-salary). In the village - all the more, almost the same old people, who will give birth? And young people mostly go to the city, there you can find at least some work, and they rent an apartment. So zilch from the program comes out.
        1. MG42
          MG42 23 August 2013 15: 31 New
          +6
          Quote: Egoza
          Naturally! In the city - 2-3 children, but where to live?

          In villages, the situation is even worse in cities, although they rent an apartment, and young people cannot find work in villages, migrate to cities, only old people remain in the village, when the last villager dies no more

          During the years of Independence of Ukraine, the number of rural settlements in the country decreased by 386 This was discussed during the round table on the development of territories in the context of the reform of local self-government,

          http://www.ukr.net/news/za_gody_nezavisimosti_ukraina_poterjala_386_sel-21977675
          -1.html
  35. biglow
    biglow 23 August 2013 16: 52 New
    +3
    it seems that only Russian tourists on tanks will save Ukraine laughing
    1. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 34 New
      0
      Quote: biglow
      it seems that only Russian tourists on tanks will save Ukraine

      It’s time to save us ourselves.
  36. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 23 August 2013 17: 18 New
    +5
    Quote: Civil
    And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

    You know, you said exactly the same thing that Ukrainian Svidomo Nazis say about such information (impartial, but true) about Ukraine. You repeated the word uvronatsistov slovo.
    Those, too, as soon as they hear something bad about Ukraine, immediately answer: But in Russia it is even worse ...
    It turned out interestingly, right?
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 23 August 2013 23: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
      You know, you said exactly the same thing that Ukrainian Svidomo Nazis say about such information (impartial, but true) about Ukraine. You repeated the word uvronatsistov slovo.


      But mind you, on this "branch" something especially not observed frantic "nezalezhnikov" and Russophobia.
      For the "holiday", are they getting ready?
  37. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 23 August 2013 17: 45 New
    +9
    I do not see the difference between the modern Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian occupation administration since the Great Patriotic War, which was also more than 90% more (all performers) consisted of residents of Ukraine.
    1. ymNIK1970
      ymNIK1970 23 August 2013 18: 30 New
      +8
      Well done man! The true truth! Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. Here it is a real picture of the current Ukraine. Here is infa from which all those in the discussion should build on. At the very same thought flashed a couple of years ago. I go through it, I look at the clock ... Look, and there are 2 flags hanging - German and Ukrainian, I go further and understand that something is wrong. After a second it dawned on - our flag is not there, it does not hang. And I clearly realized - I live in occupation. Hence all our sorrows and troubles. But now we know what to do. If anything...
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 23 August 2013 19: 21 New
        +2
        Yes. It is necessary for everyone to know and understand where, in which country we live and whom the authorities represent.
  38. Panikovsky
    Panikovsky 23 August 2013 18: 41 New
    +5
    soon everyone will die out, without talking, at first our dads and mothers, who are now from 80 to 60, then we will die, who are from the USSR, these are the young people themselves. I am from 1962, I am a Soviet Man. excuse me, but it wasn’t bad during my childhood.
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    2. nycsson
      nycsson 23 August 2013 19: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Panikovsky
      these are determined by yourself, youth.

      Eh. Youth!
  39. darksoul
    darksoul 23 August 2013 20: 04 New
    +1
    Expert: Over 22, the independence of Ukraine's population has decreased by the whole of the Czech Republic

    Why should we consider neighbors .... all Slavs have such problems now .... how many Russians have died out ... how many immigrants have come for whom they give us population growth ... all this is sad
  40. michajlo
    michajlo 23 August 2013 20: 39 New
    +6
    Quote: Ivan_Ivanov
    I do not see the difference between the modern Ukrainian government and the Ukrainian occupation administration since the Great Patriotic War, which was also more than 90% more (all performers) consisted of residents of Ukraine.

    Good afternoon, dear Ivan!
    You are completely RIGHT! Moreover, as it has long been noted that their (non-German) policemen, their (non-foreign) "managers" are much worse, inhuman and meaner than the German occupiers or foreign employers / directors ...
    Sincerely, Mikhailo.
  41. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 23 August 2013 20: 54 New
    -6
    Why is everyone so fussing, less people more oxygen .........
  42. Kolya
    Kolya 23 August 2013 21: 15 New
    +7
    Quote: yo-mine
    Tomorrow, in the "solemn" speech of the next president of Ukraine on the occasion of 22 shining garlic shining, I hope that the list of "reach" nenki type: ... built and launched ... factories, launched ... ships, built and lifted in air ... litakiv, fat herds of thinness (cattle, i.e.,) cover the horizon, we plunged to the bottom of the ocean and fly in space ...! A joke of humor, of course. In fact, "Derzhava Ukrayna" is located at the very end of the rectum, from where the direct path to the toilet and drain. There you go!

    Last week, in one of the villages of the Dnipropetrovsk region. was a solemn event. Regarding the meeting, the district leadership gathered and a deputy from Kiev arrived (600 km was traveling) to cut the ribbon of a new object - a playground (one small plastic slide and a sandbox).
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    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 23 August 2013 23: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Kohl

      Last week, in one of the villages of the Dnipropetrovsk region. was a solemn event. Regarding the meeting, the district leadership gathered and a deputy from Kiev arrived (600 km was traveling) to cut the ribbon of a new object - a playground (one small plastic slide and a sandbox).
      In our city, a Gazprom kindergarten was opened without fuss, it is designed for 200 children of workers, dreams come true, but not for everyone. Maternal capital is needed, my son and wife helped get rid of the mortgage.
  43. Siberian
    Siberian 23 August 2013 21: 21 New
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Civil
    And what about Russia? It’s better not to recall such numbers ...

    In Russia, at least the population for 22 of the year did not decrease by 25%.
    What is in RUSSIA, what is in UKRAINE. Part of the population left, and some came. But, in the main they try to blame (whoever has the opportunity, from state-official lawlessness.) And then the slow-witted muzzles squint and shrug their shoulders, "and why our population is shrinking." The fact that in Russia there is now less population decline has become, but at the expense of comrades from some southern countries. Who come here to give birth. And get citizenship. And the indigenous and educated people are dumping.
  44. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 23 August 2013 22: 53 New
    +3
    Well, what did you forget about the Ukrainian occupation forces in Iraq, which became famous for their cowardice and m ... S
    The following incident was not so catastrophic in terms of the number of victims, but no less vile ... Despite the fact that all the personnel of the convoy, led by Walker (commander of the second platoon, usually the convoy commander) demanded immediate assistance to the allies, he led himself as the last to ... For starters, he tried for five minutes to contact the headquarters. Apparently, he hoped that the headquarters would not give permission for intervention. The Poles saw that such a mess fit in, and the score in the battle goes for seconds, they rushed to help their own. There is no connection, as usual, according to the law of meanness, but when he nevertheless phoned, the headquarters gave "go-ahead" to his great chagrin. Then he said:


    - According to the x-th your "good". You are there, and I am here. And I have to answer ...
    The battle ended without ours. The Poles lost two killed and two more wounded. Got to the local Arabs, who fell under the gap of a land mine. When ours passed through this place, they saw how the bodies of the dead were loaded onto cars. Following our Poles showed the middle finger. With this gesture in Babylon our convoys met for a long time. Returning to base, Walker sobbed like a child ...

    Source: http://novosti-n.mk.ua/ukraine_article/read/852.html
    Well, by the way, "Ukrainian fighters also distinguished themselves in Abkhazia, so much so that the first" president "of Ukraine declared an official protest:
    At that time, rumors had already circulated about the appearance of Ukrainian ships off the Abkhaz coast, and President Leonid Kravchuk officially criticized Abkhazia in connection with the death of a large number of Ukrainians in the battle for Sukhumi.
    .
    http://www.likebook.ru/books/view/163989/?page=30
    About scum from UNA-UNSO I will not say anything. Well, however, some scum decided in 2008 to storm Tskhinval and remained there forever:
    In the photo: a mercenary whose documents were found in the name of Gennady Viktorovich Borisenko, born in 1966, a resident of Lviv (Ukraine).
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 24 August 2013 16: 20 New
      0
      There about Poles! .. or maybe he didn’t have time to fix it?
      Una Unso-ordinary mercenaries..there agree. But Ukraine is not responsible for them in any way.
      Personally, I condemn - and, I think, many Ukrainians condemned them.
      However, they are mercenaries ...
      And here are we?
      On the topic, there were many, one of the reasons, the girls began to want children a little. Maybe part of the state allowance for children.
      The theory may even be true that urban people have been replaced by visitors from areas with a higher desire to become a mother at the expense of a career. I judge in Odessa.
      Although 2 of her acquaintances already have one 30 polyglot, she’s all very well with huge RFP and brains ... she doesn’t want children, neither does her husband.
      The second 25 does not want yet - early type.
      But my girlfriend from Russia really wants to, and not just one, but two. But she is a resident of a much smaller city than Odessa, maybe connected with this. And maybe internal.
      But for the children it has become a bit too much. This has not been observed before.
  45. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 23 August 2013 23: 21 New
    +3
    Here she is the true "independent, conciliar" UKRAINE, this is her true portrait:
    1. Cristall
      Cristall 24 August 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      the country is correctly called Ukraine, it seems to be a simple word and is spelled easily .... and FEMEN is an organization whose representative is here depicted.
      The goal of the “Give to Ukraine” mono-rally is to “draw the attention of citizens to the mendicant policies of the cabinet of ministers who shamelessly bury Ukraine in the world debt hole”.
      "The FEMEN women's movement believes that the amount (of loans Ukraine took) will become an impassable blood clot on the path of Ukraine’s economic development. The descendants will damn us," the statement said.
      The goal, I agree, is not bad.
  46. Slobozhanin
    Slobozhanin 23 August 2013 23: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Vasya Ivanov
    In my opinion, in Ukraine the situation with fertility is much worse than in Russia. They are exterminating us slowly.

    Kindergartens are everywhere crowded ... there are not enough places. The city takes away premises from prosecutors and pension funds ... I won’t tell a secret. Little is born, but people with wheelchairs in the city have increased many times ... it's in Kharkov
  47. Siberian
    Siberian 23 August 2013 23: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Slobozhanin
    Quote: Vasya Ivanov
    In my opinion, in Ukraine the situation with fertility is much worse than in Russia. They are exterminating us slowly.

    Kindergartens are everywhere crowded ... there are not enough places. The city takes away premises from prosecutors and pension funds ... I won’t tell a secret. Little is born, but people with wheelchairs in the city have increased many times ... it's in Kharkov

    In terms of selects for kindergartens?
    1. Slobozhanin
      Slobozhanin 23 August 2013 23: 58 New
      +6
      Yes, the premises are returned under kindergartens.
      1. Siberian
        Siberian 24 August 2013 00: 18 New
        +6
        Well, and well that under the kindergartens. If only not for the storages of Chinese smelly slippers good
  48. Chukcha
    Chukcha 23 August 2013 23: 51 New
    +6
    Only the unity of Ukraine between Russia and Belarus can create a confrontation to the destructive Western invasion.
    This is clearly obvious.
    1. Siberian
      Siberian 24 August 2013 00: 24 New
      +5
      We are well aware of this. Only some rat pups are not profitable. I have close relatives both in Belarus and in Ukraine. They themselves have the same opinion.
  49. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 24 August 2013 00: 09 New
    +6
    Yes, only our unity can defeat them all ...

    Only if we can after all be one
  50. Lecha57
    Lecha57 24 August 2013 06: 19 New
    +4
    You need to dope less with your independence. There are a lot of normally thinking people, but they are not given a word.