"Severodvinsk" returned from testing

Oleg Kuleshov published photos of the return of the 21 of the nuclear submarine K-2013 "Severodvinsk" of the 560 project at the JSC "Northern Machine-Building Enterprise" after the next stage of State testing.

Severodvinsk is being tested since September 2011 of the year, but so far it has not been accepted into the Russian Navy. According to available information, the tests of the boat pass with great difficulties and revealed a significant number of defects and serious flaws.

Nuclear submarine K-560 "Severodvinsk" project 885. Severodvinsk, 21.08.2013 (c) Oleg Kuleshov / kuleshovoleg.livejournal.com

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[Grigorich 1962]

Well, it's real sabotage .... if you call a spade a spade .......
that's why sometimes I want to recall the methods of Comrade Stalin

[Retx]

what sabotage?

[Grigorich 1962]

think for yourself ......

Severodvinsk "has been tested since September 2011, but has not yet been accepted into the Russian Navy. According to available information, boat tests are very difficult and revealed a significant number of defects and serious shortcomings.

you need to call everything by their proper names .......

[Retx]

This is a new, old submarine, the lead in the series. Naturally there will be problems and difficulties during state trials. There is no need to go far for an example - British Astyut.

[Botanologist]

Sabotage is when instead of freon, nitrogen is pumped into the fire extinguishing system. And on the new boat, in which they placed a great many new equipment, problems will constantly come out until everyone breaks in. Here a simple iPhone either doesn’t catch the connection, then it beats the current, but do you think the nuclear submarine - drew and swam?

[Volkhov]

Now the boats and surface ships are entering combat service with the same hopelessness as the Leningrad submariners are blockaded through minefields - so it's good that it is faulty - it is more beautiful in the port than at the bottom.
Too much has been failed in science and management, and no one at the top admits to being moronic. The presence of neutrino optics in the enemy makes the nuclear submarine visible over hundreds of kilometers, and then a technical matter.
The fleet is too complicated for the modern Russian Federation - here we are strong in the riot police competition and terrorism - the world has not seen such scumbags.

[avt]

Quote: Grigorich 1962

Well, it's real sabotage .... if you call a spade a spade .......

Practically this is an experimental ship, try like this, from a sheet, after all the dashing 90s to make a new generation boat. The project is going hard.

[Ruslan_F38]

"Severodvinsk" has been tested since September 2011, but has not yet been accepted into the Russian Navy. According to the available information, the boat’s tests were carried out with great difficulties and revealed a significant number of defects and serious shortcomings. "- Well, why is it always like this with us? How many more years does it take to get closer to the level of production and modernization of equipment, at least approximately corresponding to the level of the USSR?

[Constantine]

Quote: Ruslan_F38

How many more years does it take to get closer to the level of production and modernization of technology, at least approximately corresponding to the level of the USSR?

Breaking - not building. In the USSR, too, everything was not set at the level you are talking about in 2-3 years.

[little man]

Oh well. And how many years will it still be possible to do this?

[Constantine]

Quote: man

Oh well. And how many years will it still be possible to do this?

And here excuses? This is an objective reality. Echoes of the consequences of the destruction of the USSR and its heritage in turbulent and dashing years.

[igor.borov775]

No one otmazyvatsya, you need to follow such things and the shipbuilders themselves said this is a completely different century this is a different generation, And there will be difficulties,

[Constantine]

Quote: avt

Practically this is an experimental ship, try like this, from a sheet, after all the dashing 90s to make a new generation boat. The project is going hard.

It would be more. This is not a bike to assemble. You have to go through difficulties. This is experience, and it decides a lot.

[Wolf]

Enough time has already been set for the defense industry, and why didn’t it happen? There was enough money for the last 10 years! Someone in the administration and in the enterprises is trying to see that the bi rearmament of the army failed! If he builds 1 submarine in 10 years, then in 1000 years the fleet will have the intelligence! The same goes for the remaining weapons! networks, tanks, etc.!

[sub307]

So we’ll see they will hand over in time as promised, or “shifted” as it has already been done.

[igor.borov775]

Hi, what he is talking about, A completely new series is starting up and there will always be some flaws some inconsistencies, This comment is not in the topic, They will still bring if the equipment is a completely new sense of novelty, It should be all the more so before the shipbuilders and designers spoke at 3 x the first will be debugging equipment the newest there will always be problems, And from 4 there will already be a series where it will concentrate something that has not yet been completed, Shipbuilders are much more difficult if they start something new, Everything seems to be normal in testing, but how it is assembled on a ship as they say to treat a childhood illness, in aviation it’s easier to test and test a few samples, and here it’s much harder to nobody will build a very expensive sample, and at the beginning of the series they’ll finish everything as it should function, experience is the most important thing, the beauty will be brought to the requirements that are laid down in the project, And this is just information that it is brought to the necessary parameters, After all, no one hid that it would be very difficult with these 3 first boats, You can’t so offend a team of many thousands that eliminates what came out of the test Well, good health and success in work to everyone who has a relationship with these beauties,

[ShturmKGB]

After so many years of downtime and brain drain, problems are not surprising ... sorry ...

[Civil]

Excellent foty long-awaited boat! Minute of adoration on the ax!

[afire]

Such an elegant boat! What a line! credited!

[strange and pretty meaningless]

Quote: afire

What a line!

Nasal contours look interesting. It's a pity there is no full surface photo

[gispanec]

from what year was it being built ?? ... what time was it being built ?? ... and when was it lowered ??? .... it’s strange that it’s dear was completed .... the main thing is not to drive the race with the change this year and calmly in the next to take to the Russian Navy ... I think the head office always gives up with problems ... there is an extra rush ....

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: gispanec

Navy of the Russian Federation ... I think the headache always gives up with problems ... there is an extra rush ....

It is certainly right, the rush is superfluous, but after all, the boat went 21 years. Another couple of years and will have to be upgraded to the 5th generation, and modernization again 20 years?

[bulvas]

Super complex product, very high requirements.
A lot of work is needed to achieve a coherent and accurate operation of all systems.
Military acceptance (customer representatives) has always been very meticulous, and it should be.

In Soviet times, there were no less difficulties, the difference was that it was not customary to report this.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

That's right ...... I confirm the fact ...... The crew of the NF (of the new formation) went to S.-Dvinsk to take a new ship (and not necessarily the first in the series) for a year and a half, and not the fact that for that time, the ship was taken from industry ... There was always a lot of what needed to be brought to mind ... and here is actually the latest cruiser. Given the past collapse of everything and everything, the current time of kickbacks and sunsets, this is normal, and sabotage has nothing to do with it .......... Another thing is the desire to soon see this handsome man in the fleet ........ .......

[denson06]

Quote: gispanec

from what year was it being built ?? ... what time was it being built ?? ... and when was it lowered ??? .... it’s strange that it’s dear was completed .... the main thing is not to drive the race with the change this year and calmly in the next to take to the Russian Navy ... I think the head office always gives up with problems ... there is an extra rush ....

Apparently, the Navy leadership understands this perfectly .. there really are a lot of difficulties .. I read a lot about it (that I could find in free sources) - the device was conceived worthy of its "ancestors" .. only quality is worried ..

[dimon-media]

Not much time will pass before its adoption. While all the fleas are combed out of it .. The Hindus got something wrong, and sank in their bay. This is not good for us.

[dizelniy]

Only effective managers can bring down difficulties and the 90s, Pros build and rent after not much refinement. Another way to declare the product as experimental, otherwise they will put pressure on the military and they will accept, and there will be another current emergency.

[ivshubarin]

It has a lot of new things that were not practiced in the USSR, one and a half hull design, torpedo tubes moved to the middle ... Therefore, it’s hard to fine-tune it.

[avt]

Quote: dizelniy

Only effective managers can bring down difficulties and the 90s, Pros build and rent after not much refinement. Another way to declare the product as experimental, otherwise they will put pressure on the military and they will accept, and there will be another current emergency.

Professionals from oak, like acorns do not wallow, there is such a thing - a school, when the process of educating personnel in design bureaus and at production goes on continuously, everyone who at least once stood behind a curtain or at a machine tool and then had to deal with iron in production, seeing how drawings were implemented in a specific thing. And given the huge cooperation, also in many, sometimes not related industries. No one assigned an experimental boat, it happened in fact, they probably saved on mock-ups and stands, hoping that they would cope with limited funds, and we only started launching experimental ships from the slipways, for example, Sarov, and one more surface the ship. Well, as for, “a little fine-tuning” - this is a song about an unkilled deer, it practically doesn’t happen in life in new projects. Well, about the fact that, God forbid, the boat is pushed out of the boat, I agree.

[Gronsky]

I completely agree with you. Now I have to watch the young shoots of designers and engineers standing on their feet, while there is an opportunity to learn from the experience of the old people who are leaving at an accelerated pace. This, I tell you, is not a sight for the faint of heart.

[dizelniy]

Quote: avt

No one assigned an experimental boat, it happened in fact, they probably saved on mock-ups and stands, hoping that they would cope with limited funds, and we only started launching experimental ships from the slipways, for example, Sarov, and one more surface the ship. Well, what about ,, a little fine-tuning "- this is a song about an unkilled deer, practically it never happens in life in new projects

Who forced to save on this, or the devil pulled. The same factory and industry leaders with customer representatives are effective managers. The beauty of the product indicates the presence of an engineering school, and the lack of the ability to use all this for its intended purpose - the lack of responsibility from the leadership.

[smiths xnumx]

Severodvinsk is the first boat of Project 885 Ash - Severodvinsk was built 20 (TWENTY) years, since 1993, this year it is finally planned (so far!) To join the fleet. And here again failure

According to the available information, boat trials are carried out with great difficulties and revealed a significant number of defects and serious shortcomings.

"Kazan" and "Novosibirsk", laid down on the improved project "Ash-M" in 2009 and this year respectively it is planned to enter the fleet in 2015. Well, wait and see. I'm afraid that the fate of her younger sisters DEPL project 677 "Lada" will await her. The first (and so far the only) project boat, St. Petersburg, was built for 13 years (from 1997 to 2010) and turned out to be so unsuccessful (problems with armament and power plant) that the fleet even wanted to abandon the entire series. But nevertheless, they were adopted by armaments, construction was resumed, and the following Kronstadt diesel-electric submarines laid down in 2005 are being prepared to be completed in 2016 (11 years), and the third Sevastopol series boat laid down in 2006 in 2015 (9 years) that given the timing of the adoption of Kronstadt and the fact that its construction has not yet resumed, it is extremely doubtful. Failures with the project 677 prompted to return to the good old proven "Varshavyanka". In 2010, the boat of the improved project 636.3 Novorossiysk was laid. which the fleet is planning to surrender in 2014, its launch was expected this summer, however, there are still 17 days left until the end of summer, so we'll see. In the same 2014, it is planned to commission 2 more boats of the Rosto-on-Don and Stary Oskol series, which I personally doubt very much.
Another boat introduced into the fleet was the experimental diesel-electric submarine of project 20120 Sarov, which was laid down in 1989 (again the Soviet backlog) and entered the fleet in 2008. Its construction lasted 19 years.
So, for all the "zero" fleets, only one SSBN of project 955 Borey received Yuri Dolgoruky, which had been under construction for 16 years (from 1996 to 2012), which is currently undergoing trial operation (though this year should also introduce “Alexander Nevsky” and “Vladimir Monomakh” into the fleet, but as they say after the problems with the “Severodvinsk” we will wait and see); and 2 diesel-electric submarines: “St. Petersburg”, about the problems with which I wrote above and the experimental “Sarov”. All this, unfortunately, is regrettably small. Yours faithfully!

[Apollo]

citation-Oleg Kuleshov published photos of the August 21 2013 return of the K-560 Severodvinsk nuclear submarine of the 885 project at OJSC PO Severnoye Mashinostroitelny Enterprise after the next stage of State tests.

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[Evgeniy667b]

Severodvinsk is the only project in the class of multipurpose nuclear submarines, unfortunately for too long has “hung” in improvements and tests. Another project has not yet been observed. There is nothing left to do but bring it up and launch the modernized series in an amount sufficient to solve the tasks of protecting Russia. Why only cut, not yet quite old 671RTM and 971 ???, (not otherwise persistent requests from staff) until there is a replacement for them. That was exactly what happened in the USSR and what they do in the USA. They built a ship, disabled obsolete.

[Bronis]

971 not cut and do not cut. For RTM - most likely, they considered the modernization inappropriate (for the rest) in favor of the titanium ones. Well, those "Pikes" that were cut in 90 ... so late. Moreover, they changed to "Pike-B" (by inertia of the year they let it down to 1995)

[Sokol peruna]

Bronis
971 did not cut and do not cut.

K-480 and K-284 are already disposed of. K-263 also seems to be going to open-hearth pieces soon.

[coserg 2012]

I think this is a normal acceptance period. Considering that I never gave the best specialists to these crews in the fleets, we ourselves need them. The more factory faults they find upon acceptance, the better it will be to serve later.

[Evgeniy667b]

As far as I know, there have been cases of utilization of the 971s, fortunately a little. And who considered the modernization potential of RTMok? It is much more profitable to weld from cutting into metal into someone’s personal pocket than to save a warship. In the USSR, even diesel engines of the 613 project were kept to the last. "Hiroshima" and she was a long-liver.

[dvvv]

it’s good that the boat returned and nothing burned out, did not drown and no one died ..

[955535]

State tests of Severodvinsk have not yet begun; factory sea trials are continuing. The author of the article is apparently not up to date.

[fedorovith]

I am glad that after our "glorious" 90 we can still do something .. everything will be wiped off and rubbed and go.

[kapitan281271]

It’s more difficult to create a nuclear submarine than the Mir station. It’s enough for the USSR to remember that it wasn’t possible to return, although I really want to. The realities are different. No country in the world is able to survive what we have experienced and at the same time produce such cars. The fact that "Severodvinsk" went to sea is already a miracle or a feat I do not know. I work in the real (as it is now commonly called) sector of the economy and I can tell you that the people who are now involved in the business do this not because of, but contrary to (this is another story). In general, it would be more likely that our fleet would really need such a beautiful thing, and even these “Los Angeles” and “Virginia” or that they had completely lost their keys to the ass, it would be time to drive them.

[Vtel]

Russians harness for a long time, but go fast (dive). (Otto von Schoenhausen Bismarck)

[kapitan281271]

Thus the iron chancellor spoke such words. And he also said that they should fight with everyone and win all except the Russians because he said if you even get back to the Urals you won’t bring a bag of your bones. Did not listen.

[kaptri]

Eh, I went to the NF to her ... And how many years in retirement ...

[rugor]

Problems on the new ship .... blah, blah, blah .... Everything is clear. But why identify these problems at sea? For example, they test a new car in the form of a matmodel, breaking it into finite elements and simulating all the loads in the computer. For a crash test, they send a tested car 100 times already, only to make sure of reliability. There are methods for checking the reliability of the design, manufacturing processes, etc.
We simply save on this (at a loss), and the new leaders didn’t even hear about statistical methods of quality control and quality assurance.