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Russian Helicopters have planned the first flight of a high-speed helicopter

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Russian Helicopters have planned the first flight of a high-speed helicopter

Holding "Helicopters of Russia" plans to carry out the first flight of its new high-speed helicopter by the end of this decade, according to flightglobal.com on August 20.


The development of an advanced commercial version of the helicopter under the RACHEL program (Russian Advanced Commercial Helicopter) was first announced at the Farnborough Air Show in 2012. Currently, the first flight of the helicopter is scheduled for 2018 year, said Dmitry Petrov, executive director of the holding. The flying laboratory for testing onboard systems is created on the basis of the Mi-35. Petrov says that the new machine belongs to the class of helicopters with a take-off weight of 10 t and is capable of carrying 21-24 people at cruising speed 195-205 knots (360-380 km / h). For comparison, the AgustaWestland AW30 101-passenger passenger helicopter has a cruising speed of all 150 nodes. It is extremely important, says Petrov, that the new helicopter will be produced in a large series, and not as an elite niche machine.

In addition to the basic passenger version, a new helicopter is being created in a variant of work on the shelf, modifications are also provided for search and rescue, patrol and sanitary missions. At the moment there is no detailed information on the helicopter. In 2011, KB them. Mile and them. Kamov offered their concept of high-speed helicopter.

KB concept. them. Kamov has the Ka-92 index and is similar to the Sikorsky X2 helicopter, has coaxial bearing screws and a rear pusher propeller. KB them. The Mi-X1 Mile adheres to the conventional concept with one rotor and girder steering.

The latter concept is similar to both X2 and Ka-92, a hybrid design resembling Eurocopter's X3, which has one rotor and two pushing screws on the side pylons (pylons create additional carrier force during horizontal flight). The Russian helicopter will have a slightly lower speed than the X2 and X3, which have already demonstrated speed over 240 nodes. Petrov believes that for at least 5-7 for years, conventional helicopters will dominate the global market.

The RACHEL helicopter is being created to replace the Mi-8 / 17 family and will be operated along with the heavy Mi-38. At the flying laboratory, new avionics, propellers and engines that are planned to be used in the mass production of the upgraded Mi-171A2 will be tested. According to Petrov, the Mi-171А2 will be an intermediate helicopter before the release of new cars that will hit the market before the 2025 year. Negotiations are underway with potential program partners, he added.


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  1. Dmitry 2246
    Dmitry 2246 22 August 2013 10: 14 New
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    Space view.
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 August 2013 10: 28 New
      +2
      The competition is very high, you can’t lag behind ...
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 23 August 2013 05: 21 New
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        It’s a pity of course, how we lagged behind while our USSR was falling apart, now here we have it in 7 years and they already fly. True, they are terribly clumsy, with wings and a bunch of propellers, but they are already flying ...
    2. Scoun
      Scoun 22 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Dmitry 2246
      Space view

      Извините пожалуйста, мое мнение таково... "прилизанный" внешний вид это ещё не показатель "технологичности" и "космическости", эта концепция несущий винт + толкающий винт, устарела ещё лет 25-ть тому назад.
      I think there should be two rotary screws and one pushing one which, in the event of failure of one of the rotary screws, would allow the device to land in airplane mode.
      IMHA.
      The same helicopter from the Cameron movie has a more realistic look. )))
      1. Scoun
        Scoun 22 August 2013 10: 46 New
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        oh yes ..))) and the minuser what can I say / say? )))
        даже в фильме "Аватар" вертушка более продвинутая чем пытается "выпукнуть" "Вертолеты России" у тех же американцев концепции из фантастики находят реальное применение и разработки.. а чинуши из Росвертола цепляются за наработки прошлого выдавая это за свою "продвинутость".. )))
        and cheerfully reporting .. we have mastered the funds for a conceptually new helicopter))
        1. Basileus
          Basileus 22 August 2013 10: 57 New
          +1
          Please tell me why the main rotor + pusher propeller circuit is outdated, but the tiltrotor circuit, the first of which were created at about the same time, is not? It turns out that the Cameron turntables of the future are also outdated twenty years ago)
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 22 August 2013 11: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            Cameron's turntables of the future are also outdated twenty years ago)

            if you noticed that the same Cameron screws ... how to say more correctly .. have similarities with the coaxial system and the rotary nozzle of modern fighters.
            1. Skiff_spb
              Skiff_spb 22 August 2013 13: 04 New
              +2
              This is just an advanced tiltrotor. This is not a helicopter at all.
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 22 August 2013 11: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            Cameron Turntables

            Especially for you, you can pay attention to the operation of the screws. )))
            1. Gayka
              Gayka 22 August 2013 11: 21 New
              +4
              You can not compare single-screw and coaxial design. Both schemes are good in their own way, it cannot be said that one is inferior to the other, but at the same time each has its own drawbacks. For example, in a coaxial circuit there is a risk of lapping the blades, and also the resistance is much higher than that of a single-screw circuit. But both schemes have the right to life. And you can shoot anything in the movie, this is not an argument at all.
              1. Al shahini
                Al shahini 22 August 2013 13: 45 New
                +1
                Let me join your opinion. It all depends on the specific purpose of the helicopter. Hence it is necessary to dance.
          3. Lone gunman
            Lone gunman 22 August 2013 14: 53 New
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            а что по вашему мнению самый "писк моды"? кемеровский вертолет и концепция несущий винт + толкающий винт выглядит свежо и современно, я не понимаю вашего спора...)))как только наши пытаются что то сделать сразу находятся масса критиков,вы наверное обладаете большими знаниями чем конструктора... (Basileus & Scoun)
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 22 August 2013 15: 59 New
              +2
              Цитата: Lone gunman
              immediately there are a lot of critics

              And the question constantly arises: What did you, dear critic, do so outstanding?
          4. Scoun
            Scoun 22 August 2013 16: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Basileus
            Please tell me why the rotor + pusher circuit is out of date

            Please tell me где вы видите "высоко скоростной"?
            How deaf with dumb ... do you read articles carefully? personally, I can express my idea not quite clearly ... but by the subject itself ... How do you associate a NEW, high speed and speed of 360 km / h?
            Другие работают над "тихоходами" которые должны достичь скорости в 460 км/час...
            я всё понимаю.. сам болею за наши технологии и технику и достижения... но явно не собираюсь жить по принципу "ему нассы в глаза а а он скажет - "Божья роса".
            In the flight test center, the design of the X2 helicopter will be finalized. In particular, the rotor hub and chassis wheels will be covered with fairings. Lead Helicopter Test Pilot
            Kevin Bredenbek said that before the end of this year he plans to bring the maximum helicopter flight speed to 460 km / h. Sikorsky does not comment on the pilot's statement, but reports that flight tests in West Palm Beach will take place in three stages. At the first stage, it is planned to get a speed of about 150 km / h, at the second - 220 km / h and at the third -460 km / h The company did not specify the timing of the stages.

            Sikorsky Aircraft will develop, build and test two prototypes of a promising tactical helicopter based on X2 technology, the company said in a press release released on Thursday. This technology allowed the demonstration helicopter to reach a top speed of 420 km / h, which is an unofficial world record among helicopters. Company claims that the goal of the program is to create a rotorcraft with a maximum speed of 470-500 km / h, not inferior to modern aircraft. In this case, the machine will retain all the features inherent in a conventional helicopter: high maneuverability, the ability to perform vertical take-off and landing, hover in the air.

            It should be noted that attempts to create high-speed helicopters have been undertaken earlier, however, the increase in flight performance was negated by complicating and increasing the cost of the structure.

            Indeed, with all its enormous advantages, modern helicopters are significantly inferior in terms of flight speed to aircraft of comparable power, size and carrying capacity. While airplanes have long passed the sound barrier, the speed of serial helicopters does not exceed at best 315-320 km / h. According to FAI rules, the world speed record for helicopters was set August 11, 1986 in flight over Glastonbury, column Somerset, UK. On a Westland Linx helicopter used for demonstration flights they showed an average speed of 400,87 km / h.

            2 Lone gunman
            immediately there are a lot of critics, you probably have more knowledge than the designer ... (Basileus & Scoun)

            I can answer in your own words replacing the crackers with a bang.
            Ещё раз...где в новейшем вы видите высокоскоростной? когда уже люди работают над тем что бы достичь скорости на 40% выше нашего "новейшего."
            1. Scoun
              Scoun 22 August 2013 17: 05 New
              +1
              For example, here is what was written about Our developments in 2008 !!!
              And they really corresponded to the concept of high-speed indicated speed of 700 km / h. (classic helicopter speed limit of about 400 km / h)
              They also have projects of propeller-driven helicopters - a manned Mi-X1 and an unmanned MRVK. “Kamov” working on a Ka-92 helicopter, made in the same way as the X2. They also have the development of a completely fantastic machine - the Ka-90 helicopter, capable of developing 700 km / h.
              In a word, there are ideas. Not only money and the strength to verify all of them and bring them to at least a prototype. Already there is almost no time - when Osprey is produced in dozens, and X2 passes flight tests, Our designers promise to show their helicopter (it should be Ka-92) only in 2011. And again, the near-by philistine will admire the triumph of Western scientific thought and spit in the direction of Russian scientists and engineers, "who can only rip off other people's ideas." And the ideas are actually their own, moreover, they are much ahead of Western developments. However, this has already happened in our history - when, due to the stupidity and shortsightedness of the tsarist government, remarkable scientific developments and technical undertakings were ruined. And, as we all know, this ended with the 17th year. Draw conclusions, dear reader.

              Теперь деньги есть но их решили "эффЭктивно" освоить.. лично я так вижу.. этот "высокоскоростной" в 360 км/час.
        2. Windbreak
          Windbreak 22 August 2013 11: 26 New
          +8
          As if it's something new. The X-22A has been flying since 1966.
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 22 August 2013 12: 14 New
            +2
            Quote: Burel
            Like it's something new

            which is actually what we are talking about.
            Russian Helicopters Planned First Flight high speed helicopter

            Further....
            at a cruising speed of 195-205 knots (360-380 km / h).

            Повторюсь.. ничего нового.. зато Вертолеты России достав нечто древнее прилизав его и покрасив.. успешно сообщат о внедрении "уникальной" не имеющей "аналогов" технике в котолрой широко используются космother technologies and tools mastered)))
        3. 11 black
          11 black 22 August 2013 11: 33 New
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          Quote: Scoun
          Извините пожалуйста, мое мнение таково... "прилизанный" внешний вид это ещё не показатель "технологичности" и "космическости", эта концепция несущий винт + толкающий винт, устарела ещё лет 25-ть тому назад.
          I think there should be two rotary screws and one pushing one which, in the event of failure of one of the rotary screws, would allow the device to land in airplane mode.
          IMHA.
          The same helicopter from the Cameron movie has a more realistic look. )))

          oh yes ..))) and the minuser what can I say / say? )))
          даже в фильме "Аватар" вертушка более продвинутая чем пытается "выпукнуть" "Вертолеты России" у тех же американцев концепции из фантастики находят реальное применение и разработки.. а чинуши из Росвертола цепляются за наработки прошлого выдавая это за свою "продвинутость".. )))
          and cheerfully reporting .. we have mastered the funds for a conceptually new helicopter))


          я конечно извиняюсь - но если ваше мнение о технологичности вертолетов основано на фильме "Аватар"...
          вот дождитесь результатов испытаний, потом и можно будет сравнить конвертоплан и вертолет вышеуказанной схемы, а схема прекрасная, еще в вьетнамскую войну американцы создали "Шайен", вертолет с толкающим винтом, результаты испытаний были просто ошеломительны, но вертолет оказался так дорог и сложен что о массовом производстве речи не шло и Шайен заменили более простой и дешевой Коброй, потом о такой схеме забыли, но потенциал у нее огромный, не меньше чем у конвертопланов - американцы просто пошли своей дорогой - мы своей, и неизвестно чья дорога лучше, посмотрим результаты испытаний увидим...ИМХО
          PS by the way, the tiltrotor scheme is no newer and more advanced than the pusher propeller, with approximately equal characteristics the pusher propeller helicopter will turn out to be cheaper and more stable in a combat situation (the tiltrotor cannot take autorotations) IMHO
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 22 August 2013 12: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: 11 black
            я конечно извиняюсь - но если ваше мнение о технологичности вертолетов основано на фильме "Аватар"..

            Apologies are accepted.
            Причем здесь вообще аватар? разговор идет о том что ничего нового Вертолеты России не "родил" и теперь бодро рапортуя будет очередное освоение средств.
            PS.
            "Аватар" просто приведен как пример того что у людей есть хотя бы Фантазия.... которая под собой имеет реальные сноски на существующие технологии .
            1. Basileus
              Basileus 22 August 2013 13: 04 New
              +1
              Where does anyone report something? Not even a car, but there is already a cry for her. Now, when they present something that does not suit you according to their characteristics, then you can pour mud on Russian Helicopters as much as you like, but why follow the ancient Russian tradition, November about something that has not even been built?

              Is the record holder X2 and X3 the last century? In what year did they set their records? But their technology, as you say, is outdated in the 80s.
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 22 August 2013 14: 19 New
                +1
                Do you even read before commenting?
                Quote: Basileus
                That's when they present something that does not suit you according to the characteristics,

                Russian Helicopters have planned the first flight of a high-speed helicopter
                Further....
                at a cruising speed of 195-205 knots (360-380 km / h).
                1. Gayka
                  Gayka 22 August 2013 17: 20 New
                  +2
                  In no case would not like to hurt you, but I will express my point of view, although I risk being again minus. You see what’s the matter, cruising and the declared so-called maximum flight speed are two completely different concepts. Cruising speed is the speed when the engine is operating in cruise mode, and there are a lot of modes - take-off, nominal ... In other words, this is speed with a calm horizontal flight, achieved with the lowest fuel consumption, in theory, in cruising mode, a helicopter can fly infinitely long. At maximum speed, the flight time limit is 30 minutes. In addition, the claimed maximum flight speed is almost never achieved in reality, because these are all theoretical statements under ideal conditions, without air resistance and other aerodynamic and other restrictions, which in reality cannot be achieved.
                  1. Basarev
                    Basarev 16 December 2013 21: 59 New
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                    Here I am talking about the same thing - many do not understand that cruising and maximum speed are not the same thing.
            2. 11 black
              11 black 22 August 2013 13: 12 New
              +1
              Quote: Scoun
              Причем здесь вообще аватар? разговор идет о том что ничего нового Вертолеты России не "родил" и теперь бодро рапортуя будет очередное освоение средств.
              PS.
              "Аватар" просто приведен как пример того что у людей есть хотя бы Фантазия.... которая под собой имеет реальные сноски на существующие технологии .

              Well, for example, American Osprey


              But this is 12 mi developed in 60 years

              схема "Конвертоплан" была создана в то же время что и вертолет с толкающим винтом - по вашей логике Оспри это тоже ничего нового?
              А Т50 - самолеты его "схемы" были придуманы уже давно - старье?
              Про ми28 и разговаривать не стоит - на этой "схеме" уже давно ми 24 построен, а значит 28 старье жуткое...так чтоли request
              1. Scoun
                Scoun 22 August 2013 16: 06 New
                +1
                Quote: 11 black
                схема "Конвертоплан" была создана в то же время что и вертолет с толкающим винтом - по вашей логике Оспри это тоже ничего нового?

                You probably just misunderstood me.
                why this positive information didn’t cause me.
                Посмотрите какую скорость прописывают этому "инновационному" вертолету..
                и посмотрите ту же скорость и количество человек которых может транспортировать "Оспри" так что тут правее всех пост..
                Quote: abyrvalg
                Hmm ... It seems like whatever you like, как ни хай "Оспрей" - and create high-speed rotorcraft will have

                That’s the whole conversation.
                а плюс я вам поставил за то что вы своим постом подтверждаете то что выдают за новую технологию.. на самом деле уже древняя технология под "новым соусом".
                1. 11 black
                  11 black 22 August 2013 17: 08 New
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                  Quote: Scoun
                  а плюс я вам поставил за то что вы своим постом подтверждаете то что выдают за новую технологию.. на самом деле уже древняя технология под "новым соусом".

                  no more ancient than konvertoplany - Osprey in your opinion also with a new sauce? laughing
                  plus, of course, the ATP, but as for the maximum speed - well, these are civilian options, passenger ones. I’m sure if the military goes, the smaller ones and with more powerful engines, that’s where the speed will be, I’ll repeat if the business goes.
                  By the way - the article indicates the cruising speed 380 km / h, do not confuse the cruising speed and the maximum, the first is usually one third lower than the second.
              2. Windbreak
                Windbreak 22 August 2013 17: 05 New
                +2
                Mi-12 is not a tiltrotor, but a cross-section helicopter
                1. 11 black
                  11 black 22 August 2013 17: 15 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Burel
                  Mi-12 is not a tiltrotor, but a cross-section helicopter

                  yes, he can’t switch to airplane mode, but the location of the screws is similar, and he has all the drawbacks of tiltrotopes, he gave an example to show them.
      2. Taoist
        Taoist 22 August 2013 17: 05 New
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        Damn, guys, well, you can’t do that ... indiscriminately. Has anyone taught aerodynamics at a serious level? The question is not how many and which screws, but how the blades are profiled, how the mechanism for compensating the drop in the bearing and pulling properties of the screw is implemented. For high-speed helicopters, separation of the main rotor and the main rotor is a necessity. With an increase in horizontal speed, a drop in lift begins on the rotor blades ... And by the way, Cameron’s car cannot fly fast (for the same reason) - the impeller having an increased vertical thrust component does not have a compensation mechanism. Relatively speaking, with increasing horizontal speed, the lifting force on it decreases due to stall. So let's not judge by appearance - at least it’s worth understanding the processes ... And for this we have too little initial data.
        1. Gayka
          Gayka 22 August 2013 17: 24 New
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          Oh, what a wonderful comment! I would put you a big plus if I had the opportunity!
        2. Taoist
          Taoist 23 August 2013 10: 29 New
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          "школота" минусует? А матчасть учить пробовали? Кстати, вдогонку... Камероновские "коптеры" действуют в мире где плотность атмосферы выше а гравитация ниже земной (за счёт этого там они так лихо и летают) В условиях земной атмосферы подобная машина если вообще взлетит будет куда более неуклюжа чем на экране. Несущая способность таких винтов по отношению к габаритам и потенциальной массе корпуса... Я уж молчу по поводу их "главного калибра" - тот монстр вообще "аэродинамический нонсенс"... Как известно Д.Лукас бои своих Х файтов "срисовал" с хроник второй мировой... насколько я в курсе Камерон тоже всего лишь взял за основу некоторые имеющиеся аппараты (творчески их домыслив) - так что господа-товарищи не стоит учить физику (равно как и историю) по Голливуду. Физику просто нужно учить.
          1. Basarev
            Basarev 16 December 2013 22: 04 New
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            And rightly so - and some quite seriously believe in shooting from a minigun with hands
    3. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 August 2013 12: 55 New
      +5
      Мда... Похоже что как ни крути, как ни хай "Оспрей" - а создавать скоростной винтокрыл придется. Может тогда не пристраиваться в хвост, а сразу замахиваться на что-то подобное:
      1. Basileus
        Basileus 22 August 2013 13: 10 New
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        We have already developed convertibles (Mi-30, Ka-22), but not everyone liked it, apparently, since not a single one was accepted into service in Soviet times.
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak 22 August 2013 17: 20 New
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          How many can the Ka-22 be called a convertiplane?
  2. Jacob31
    Jacob31 22 August 2013 10: 25 New
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    Yes, the idea of ​​such a helicopter is impressive. Finally, there is a decent version of a civilian passenger helicopter to replace the old Mi-8.
  3. Oskar
    Oskar 22 August 2013 10: 25 New
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    Good cars!
  4. Basileus
    Basileus 22 August 2013 10: 30 New
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    Projects are encouraging, as is the fact that model models from exhibitions are starting to turn into real cars. As I understand it, it has not yet been decided who to give the championship to - Kamov or Mila?
  5. Airman
    Airman 22 August 2013 10: 31 New
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    So who will be preferred - Kamov or Mil? Probably Mile. But it’s not clear why the speed is measured in knots, like in the Navy? And not in km / h.
    1. Gayka
      Gayka 22 August 2013 11: 14 New
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      Projects are carried out simultaneously by both enterprises, each will present its own version, since each has its own pros and cons, but there is nothing to be done - fundamentally different designs.
  6. LaGlobal
    LaGlobal 22 August 2013 10: 37 New
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    Generally - FIRE, helicopters! I wish you a speedy transformation of models into real turntables!
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 12: 13 New
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      Quote: LaGlobal
      Generally - FIRE, helicopters! I wish you a speedy transformation of models into real turntables!

      Дай бог, что бы не "вертушки" денег, а то сроки снова сдвинут на 202. тый год.
  7. Trailer
    Trailer 22 August 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    I just didn’t understand one thing - in the picture below why the helicopter has this ring on its tail? Only makes the car heavier?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
      +2
      This ring allows the propeller to work more efficiently. The same scheme is used on submarines.
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 22 August 2013 11: 09 New
        +1
        Can I talk about the purpose of the ring in more detail?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
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          It allows you to reduce the end flow around the ends of the screws - i.e. the air does not just fall off to the side, but goes back, creating an additional impulse, to reduce noise, and how the protection element works.
          And about the weight you are right, this is the main obstacle to its use.
      2. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 22 August 2013 13: 55 New
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        Quote: Wedmak
        The same scheme applies to submarines.

        The ships have slightly similar designs, but only part of their purpose is to eliminate flow stall. Nozzles steering devices are movable in the horizontal axis, active change the vector along with the screw, and semi-active when the screw is stationary.
  8. Windbreak
    Windbreak 22 August 2013 10: 53 New
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    It is not clear that here from the Mi-35
  9. erased
    erased 22 August 2013 11: 07 New
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    It is a pity to wait a long time, but it’s still interesting what happens. There is no way to lag behind the West.
  10. Gayka
    Gayka 22 August 2013 11: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Scoun
    а чинуши из Росвертола цепляются за наработки прошлого выдавая это за свою "продвинутость".. )))

    And what is Rosvertol? If I mean Rostvertol, then the leadership of the serial plant in Rostov-on-Don has nothing to do with it))))
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 22 August 2013 11: 19 New
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      Извините пожалуйста, хотел написать сокращенно "Вертолеты России" а получилось что на других сослался ))
      1. Gayka
        Gayka 22 August 2013 11: 24 New
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        laughing nothing happens with everyone. But now with reductions you will take a closer look)))
  11. High speed
    High speed 22 August 2013 12: 06 New
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    Russian Helicopters Holding is planning the first flight of its new high-speed helicopter by the end of this decade ...

    The guys got excited over the deadlines. Three, four times you have to adjust to the right