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Sabotage on the East

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12 April 2013 of the year. Uglegorsk. Amur region. The construction site of the Vostochny cosmodrome. Vladimir Popovkin (head of Roscosmos) states that there are no problems with the construction time of the Vostochny.


Sabotage on the East


21 August 2013 of the year. Uglegorsk. Amur region. The construction site of the Vostochny cosmodrome. Dmitry Rogozin (Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation):
Two assignments were given. The first is to ensure the development of a methodology for determining the cost of construction of facilities at the Vostochny cosmodrome, taking into account the proposal of Roskosmos and Spetsstroy of Russia, the period is July 30. Secondly, Spetsstroy of Russia and Roskosmos needed to determine together with the Ministry of Regional Development of Russia the necessary indicators for making calculations for the work performed in the 2012 year, taking into account the actual data on construction costs. The orders are not fulfilled.


Further Rogozin is already indignant:
Any deviation from the plan I will consider as sabotage. I am not going to classify myself as those civil servants who will tolerate non-execution of instructions. I want to hear the reasons why such problems arise, and a proposal on how to ensure the loading of all construction works at all stages with the necessary number of specialists. Any breakdown will be perceived as negligence, it is a strategically important object for the country.


What a word - “sabotage”. Long time in our country, federal officials did not use such terms ... But now it’s not about the use of reinforced concrete terms, but how differently the head of Roscosmos Popovkin and Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin see the same situation. If everything goes according to plan for Vladimir Popovkin, then Dmitry Rogozin has vague doubts about this very plan ...

If federal officials cannot work out a common opinion on the implementation of a single project, then what can we say about those who are involved in the direct construction of the cosmodrome.

It is worth recalling that the idea of ​​building a cosmodrome in the Amur region arose against the background of the material claims that the Kazakh side presented to the Russian side in relation to the rental of Baikonur. At one time (2010-2011 year), representatives of the Space Policy Institute stated that often the requirements of Kazakhstan cannot be called rational and fair, and therefore, they say, it would be nice to have our own platform for relatively cheap launch of spacecraft. For the construction of this site, the point of the Amur region was chosen, located near Uglegorsk.

The cost of building a new Roscosmos facility by the State Duma was approved in the following way: from 2012 to 2014 years 46 billion rubles, and the state was going to allocate about 60% of this amount in 2014 year. And on 2015, the year is already scheduled for the first launch from the Eastern launch vehicle.

Over time, expenditure items were adjusted, and estimates were added for the construction of infrastructure (communications, staff housing, railways and highways, and various engineering services). As a result, the sum of almost a billion rubles 82 was requested from the state budget by Roscosmos.

However, as it turned out, this figure of budget financing was not final. At the end of 2011, the then director of the Russian Federal Agency for Special Construction, Mr. Naginsky, said that building an Eastern state would cost no less than 300 billion rubles. At the same time, Naginsky added that the lion's share of this amount will go to the construction of a whole city on 40 thousand people.

In general, the construction began. No one has yet canceled plans for the first launch in 2015, and after visiting the construction site, Vladimir Popovkin, many decided that things were going well, and everything would be completed by the 2015 year.
However, since the head of Roscosmos has visited the construction site in the Amur Region more than four months have passed, and only now it turns out that serious problems have arisen during the construction. These problems are rather sharp and were outlined by Deputy Prime Minister Rogozin. It turns out that, although the construction seems to be proceeding as it is, but so far the state structures have not been able to properly explain how exactly a penny to the budget will cost the construction of each of the cosmodrome objects. Moreover, they still cannot count how much to pay the builders for the work already done by them. And if the completed work actually remains unpaid, then no one is eager to start new ones. Instead, officials of the Ministry of Regional Development, Roskosmos and Spetsstroy sit in their offices and continue to do a good face on a bad game, saying that construction is going according to plan. Of course, it goes, that's just on someone else's plan? ..

It turns out that if it were not for the Amur floods, which have already managed to inflict billions of dollars in losses to the region, then the state of affairs on the East construction site would hardly have bothered at all in the near future ... By the way, about floods. The same commission that is currently working at Vostochny concluded that there is no threat of flooding the territory of the cosmodrome under construction. In this regard, the question arises: is there any possibility of flooding this area? If there is, then it was not risky to start construction here. Hopefully, the answer to this question is well known both in Spetsstroy and in Roskosmos, because if the Amur flood had also washed off the cosmodrome under construction, in which billions of rubles had already been invested, then the great human tragedy in the Far East would have been added to revealed negligence when designing a strategically important object.

In general, I do not want to run ahead, but for some reason the thought arises that the "saboteurs" will not be defined. Well, unless, any driver of the cement truck, "broke all plans". But not officials from Spetsstroy and Roskosmos, in the end, to call those guilty ...
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  1. awg75
    awg75 22 August 2013 08: 02 New
    25
    looking at how our satellites are falling, I won’t be surprised if I find out that Mr. Popovkin receives another salary from our sworn friends from the USA and their brotherhood ...
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 22 August 2013 08: 39 New
      37
      Quote: awg75
      looking at how our satellites are falling, I won’t be surprised if I find out that Mr. Popovkin receives another salary from our sworn friends from the USA and their brotherhood ...

      Just like that, missiles with 3 satellites do not fall ... The problem is that NO ONE ANSWERS ANYTHING! Fell yes strike with her. Break the deadlines? Sabotage? Yes to hell with him. They only threaten with a finger and puff from the TV. The worst will be given a year conditionally, if they discover that a billion was stolen. Against revolutions and so on, but all this is SO tired !!!! In the words of Charles De Gaulle - "Stalin was not dead, he was dissolved in the future!" I would like to believe .... Apparently besides him, no one will stop this bacchanalia of radishes.
      1. afire
        afire 22 August 2013 09: 13 New
        +9
        two rockets, 6 satellites died, THIS is sabotage!
        when are these creatures already filling their fill !!!
        1. Airman
          Airman 22 August 2013 09: 36 New
          13
          Quote: afire
          two rockets, 6 satellites died, THIS is sabotage!
          when are these creatures already filling their fill !!!

          They do not steal, they work out "rewards" from their Western masters.
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 22 August 2013 10: 15 New
          10
          Quote: afire
          when are these creatures already filling their fill !!!


          I hear these words from the second generation)))
        3. bask
          bask 22 August 2013 10: 23 New
          +9
          Quote: afire
          when are these creatures already stole their fill !!

          Not when.
          They are parasitic worms.
          They can be stopped only by one-PULET IN THE NAP, ON THE SENTENCE OF THE COURT !!! (but we are not 37 years old).
          1. DEMENTIY
            DEMENTIY 22 August 2013 19: 29 New
            +3
            They can be stopped only by one-PULSE IN THE NAP, ON THE SENTENCE OF THE COURT !!! (but we have not 37 year


            I’m certainly not bloodthirsty, but I think the entoy option is acceptable!
          2. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 22 August 2013 22: 23 New
            +2
            hi
            Quote bask (4)
            (but we do not have 37 year).

            So without a trial, and there are those who wish ...
        4. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 22 August 2013 12: 01 New
          10
          Sabotage ... there is no such definition in the Criminal Code, so everything is in order ...
          1. DEMENTIY
            DEMENTIY 22 August 2013 19: 37 New
            +2
            In vain you are so - since the article was published, then the changes are coming! am
            1. DEMENTIY
              DEMENTIY 22 August 2013 19: 55 New
              +2
              I watched it live!
              1. ildar335
                ildar335 22 August 2013 22: 59 New
                +1
                what it is?
        5. mars6791
          mars6791 23 August 2013 18: 17 New
          0
          ask Putin
        6. mars6791
          mars6791 23 August 2013 18: 17 New
          0
          ask routine
      2. ildar335
        ildar335 22 August 2013 18: 36 New
        +3
        Give Putin to the "tyrants" (in a good way, the steering wheel should be one). Our country needs a second Stalin, but without millions of repressions !!!
        1. SPLV
          SPLV 22 August 2013 19: 22 New
          +3
          I agree. one hundred thousand is enough
          1. ildar335
            ildar335 22 August 2013 22: 07 New
            +1
            I think it’ll be more! We have officials like dirt! am
    2. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 09: 41 New
      +9
      Quote: awg75
      looking at how our satellites are falling, I won’t be surprised if I find out that Mr. Popovkin receives another salary from our sworn friends from the USA and their brotherhood ...

      I have a feeling that our entire government, led by DAM, is on the backing of our Western partners.
    3. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 August 2013 12: 43 New
      +2
      "Vladimir Popovkin (head of Roskosmos) states that problems with the timing the construction of the "East" no. "

      By popovkin period long crying. Why doesn't Anechka comment? Affairs down the throat?
      1. strange and pretty meaningless
        strange and pretty meaningless 22 August 2013 12: 49 New
        -5
        "... Rogozin is already indignant:

        ... I want to hear the reasons why such problems arise, and the proposal on how to ensure the loading of all construction work at all stages with the necessary number of specialists. "


        Like in that song:
        "... Do not be silent, at least say a word,
        A word, even half a word about love,
        Well, tell me the word again, again,
        Speak it to me, speak. "


        It seems that if Rogozin is even at least half as much blowing his cheeks, then he ... will burst. Like Abage. Just the opposite. In short, no words.
  2. Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 22 August 2013 08: 09 New
    +4
    Another "space" cut of the budget of the Russian Federation. Nobody wants to work, everyone wants to stuff more money into their pockets. Congratulations, you made my day again
  3. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 22 August 2013 08: 17 New
    10
    Good morning everyone, and maybe a couple of bureaucrats can shoot, you look and everything will be counted ...
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 22 August 2013 08: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      Good morning everyone, and maybe a couple of bureaucrats can shoot, you look and everything will be counted ...

      Will not help!
      They have a line there for recording years on 10.
      "And all are equal, as to selection ....."
      1. afire
        afire 22 August 2013 09: 14 New
        +6
        oh my god, how is there not enough iron hand in everything
        1. sprut
          sprut 22 August 2013 18: 06 New
          +1
          Iron hands !!!
          1. Sashkessss
            Sashkessss 22 August 2013 22: 31 New
            +4
            Yezhovy mittens, what really there
  4. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 22 August 2013 08: 18 New
    10
    Can Spetsstroy consult how Tajiks build shopping centers so quickly?
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 22 August 2013 19: 26 New
      +1
      It’s not Tajiks who are building it, but people who have correctly organized the process. in the government, unfortunately, there are none smile
  5. Ivan79
    Ivan79 22 August 2013 08: 21 New
    +7
    Until the bureaucrats begin to work for the people and the country, and not in their own pockets, this red tape will never end.
  6. Paul
    Paul 22 August 2013 08: 29 New
    +2
    Bardaks, if true ((((
    but in general, from the side to look, an article from the finger of the exasperation based on the general phrases of Rogozin
    (Here is an opinion, specifics 5%)
    1. sasha.28blaga
      sasha.28blaga 22 August 2013 10: 41 New
      +1
      Exactly nothing concrete, one said so, the other said I will not stand sabotage. What's the point? And discussions, stop stealing, but are they stealing? Uglegorsk, where the cosmodrome is being built, is located at the devil’s henchik even from Baikanur. Controlling construction for this reason is not easy. Yes, and only Rogozin and Putin can not do everything right away.
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 22 August 2013 10: 46 New
      +2
      In-in, people work, and bosses share the loot. Here Rogozin bosses and stirred a little.
  7. Nickanor
    Nickanor 22 August 2013 08: 31 New
    19
    Popovkin must be driven with pissing brooms from Roskosmos! So many failures in Roscosmos have not yet been with any leader. Cut money, bloggers with cameras on secrets objects, drunken fights, secretary models - a shame!
  8. eplewke
    eplewke 22 August 2013 08: 33 New
    +6
    Right now we will see such a story again, until Putin intervenes, will the money disappear into the unknown? Well what is it? Everywhere everything should be controlled by the president? In Sochi - control, the Far East - control, grandmother pay housing and communal services - control ... Why is everything started only after Putin’s order? Where are your shots Vladimir Vladimirovich? You cannot drag one country! You simply don’t have enough !!!
    1. ildar335
      ildar335 22 August 2013 22: 10 New
      +1
      I repeat, we need a tyrant !!! so that time, and shot to hell all this shelupon !!!!!!!
  9. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 August 2013 08: 36 New
    +6
    If it says “A”, it should say “B.” Sabotage is a crime on a national scale, so where are the findings?
    1. avt
      avt 22 August 2013 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      If it says “A”, it should say “B.” Sabotage is a crime on a national scale, so where are the findings?

      Well, next time Rogozin will say that he will shoot many, from the AK presented to Zhuravlev, he will bring Putin’s special forces — the Rodina party and will shoot. laughing A troubled story, they forgot to mention in the article about the decree being prepared by Rogozin on Roscosmos. It’s quite an article in the spirit of justifying the creation of a new state corporation about which the vice prime minister spoke, only he can’t get rid of Pogosyan, while he is only acting out on Popovkin, and then in the spirit of Gogol - How Ivan Ivanovich quarreled with Ivan Nikiforovich. It’s basically words, words, a rotten stamp of foot. Less words - more deeds, comrade. Although ... the GDP doesn’t seem to go to the MAX ... how to know, how to know ... what’s ahead of the UAC
    2. alicante11
      alicante11 22 August 2013 11: 15 New
      +1
      So while there was no fact. If so, we will see.
    3. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      If it says “A”, it should say “B.” Sabotage is a crime on a national scale, so where are the findings?

      But the conclusions are the same - the withdrawal of money over a hill.
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 22 August 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    In general, I do not want to run ahead, but for some reason the thought arises that the “saboteurs” will not be determined.

    Write off the floods !!! Element!!!
  11. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 22 August 2013 08: 44 New
    -3
    There will be no tangible shifts here for a long time.
    Agency "Spetsstroy" is subordinate to the Moscow Region.
    And Shogu decided to reorganize the Ministry of Emergencies and introduce it to the MO. And for this, additional funds are needed.
    Therefore, with the "East" again have to wait.
    Defense Minister and former Minister of Emergency Situations Sergei Shoigu proposed reorganizing the Ministry of Emergencies into a subordinate military department, Nezavisimaya Gazeta writes, citing sources in the Defense Ministry.
    http://news.mail.ru/politics/14429342/?frommail=1
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Ruswolf
      There will be no tangible changes here for a long time. The agency "Spetsstroy" is subordinate to the Ministry of Defense. And Shogu decided to reorganize the Ministry of Emergencies and introduce it into the Ministry of Defense. And for this, additional funds are needed. Therefore, with the "East" again have to wait.

      Vostochny is financed by a separate line; no reorganization plays a role here.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 22 August 2013 10: 52 New
        -2
        Quote: Russ69
        Vostochny is financed by a separate line; no reorganization plays a role here.

        So what, and a reason for the bobble and the basis for this to find is not a problem for them!
        Master is your hand!
  12. morpogr
    morpogr 22 August 2013 08: 44 New
    +3
    Rogozin should be more in conflict with these freaks to plant in full.
  13. 311ove
    311ove 22 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +4
    And how are Spetsstroy and Roscosmos different from other ministries and "bureaucrats" ??! Yes, nothing !!! Until conscience wakes up, it will be so! And she’s such a thing that she doesn’t wake up, she needs to “WAKE UP”! And here there are many options .... is it not time to think over? angry
  14. AK-47
    AK-47 22 August 2013 08: 49 New
    0
    Vladimir Popovkin (head of Roskosmos) says that there are no problems with the construction schedule of Vostochny.

    In other words: "the cut is normal, the situation is regular."
  15. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 August 2013 08: 50 New
    -1
    Any deviation from the plan I will consider as sabotage.Rogozin said. Arriving at D.V., but in the light of our days ..... permutations ... permutations ... ot. hi
  16. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 22 August 2013 08: 56 New
    +7
    It all depends on the place of construction - for example, 70 kilometers from Krasnodar, driving a pile along with its cost costs about 30 thousand re ... The same foreman scored a pile during the construction of one of the Sports Palace in the Greater Sochi area already in 1 million 400 thousand re !!! So in the area of ​​the future cosmodrome - the object is very necessary ... that means they won’t cost the price! So they wind up! But you, yourself, beloved, must not be forgotten!
    Now about POPOVKIN I will say a word! This is a former soldier from the category "EXPLOITATION" (I know his military career). I was also in this category - military builders are building, and we accept and then operate this facility. POPOVKIN’s experience was only in acceptance ... and he was assigned to be the “Principal Customer” of construction, which means CONSTRUCTION ORGANIZER! Therefore, it does not work to be a MODERATOR, a master generator of construction. Nor does it work in understanding the formation of the cost of design, survey and construction works, which allows us to share the allocated money for construction ... and for our share. "Not a hat Senka" turned out to be! Here are the “punctures” on the verge of disrupting the deadlines, which, according to ROGOZIN, has signs of sabotage! The times of the financial freedom of Serdyukov have sunk into oblivion. Therefore, I understand the phrase ROGOZIN in an interview on TC RUSSIA-24 ... literally - "in September there will be a President there (in D. Vostok) ... I used to ... because questions sagged ... someone will have to then shove on the head with a shovel! " It's time! And not only on the "beztokovke", but also under the back of the knee! And Popovkin in the first place ... by the totality of his "accomplishments"!
  17. individual
    individual 22 August 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    No matter what they build in modern Russia, construction begins not with the foundation, but with a cascading, endless restructuring of project financing and always with +++ ... Maybe it’s time to cut down on the designers themselves - - -! bully
  18. pahom54
    pahom54 22 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +4
    Spetsstroy is one of the most closed, wealthy and mysterious organizations. Moreover, at first he was removed from the subordination of the Ministry of Defense, and then, having corporatized, they generally granted independence ... Which? INDEPENDENCE TO CUT HUGE BUDGET MONEY. The thing is that, based on the name, Spetsstroy is practically a monopolist in the implementation of special projects on a national scale. Excuses that deadlines are not kept, say, due to underfunding - this is nonsense, real nonsense. Money is allocated and arrives on time, so where do they go then? The Prosecutor General’s Office and the Investigative Committee do not know, but you and I guess ... Why am I all this? Yes, all to one. Fish rots from the head, heads need to be chopped, and above all - to the boyars and ministers. The word "Kickback" is directly requested in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, with a term of 10 to 15 years.
    1. 31231
      31231 22 August 2013 19: 24 New
      -1
      I agree with you. I’m familiar with Spetsstroy firsthand. Estimates for the East and so penny, and this crook has already cleared it. They offer a contract for a third of the price from the real one. Let’s hope that Putin and Shoigu will understand “Hu Ishu in Spetsstroy”.
  19. Strashila
    Strashila 22 August 2013 09: 22 New
    0
    It's cool ... where they began to build a spaceport ... where Makar calves did not pass. Neither industrial infrastructure, nor personnel. A zone of seismic activity with weather anomalies ... typhoons ... cyclones. In direct view from Alaska and friendly China. What prevented building in Siberia, in the Krasnoyarsk Territory ??? Everything is here, and production and personnel and tracking systems for space objects ... it can be seen immediately in the first place was the dough cut, and not the construction of the cosmodrome.
    1. evil hamster
      evil hamster 22 August 2013 11: 11 New
      +6
      Why, all the fools are. For some reason, cosmodromes are being built closer to the equator, in fact, because in Siberia there is the same infrastructure ... From Korolev - Baikanur, let him know, you immediately saw the dough and sawed it - where it is seen in the desert, consider the city and built a cosmodrome, and where only the USSR prosecutor’s office watched when they sawed the national budget. Khrushchev / Brezhnev gang in court.
    2. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 22 August 2013 18: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Strashila
      where they began to build a spaceport ... where Makar calves did not pass. No production infrastructure,

      Who told you that? There, a pretty decent infrastructure was developed - to deploy a division of ICBMs and an air defense brigade, plus SMEs - one bare field or dense forest is not enough! We need roads ... towns ... warehouses ... etc ..
      Another thing is that all this is outdated and it is necessary to build new facilities ... and in Siberia it would have to be done!
    3. 31231
      31231 22 August 2013 19: 35 New
      +1
      I regularly work in that region. You are not right. Location is good enough. Seismic is much farther south in China and north in Yakutia, across the Amur Plain it’s inappropriate to look at Richter's points. The climate is much milder than the Krasnoyarsk region and Pribaikalye (in these places he also built objects). Typhoons ?! Well, the Canaveral doesn’t mess with them, and even less so for us. To Alaska more than 3 thousand km. Enough for stealth.
  20. VadimSt
    VadimSt 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
    +2
    Everything new is forgotten old!
    In bygone days, large construction projects began with toughening of the criminal law and mass landings. It is only necessary to change the direction of changes in the legislation - earlier the emphasis was on political issues, now corruption issues constitute a threat to state interests. Judging by the scale of corruption, there will be no shortage of "personnel for landing", and even hurried up with the cancellation of confiscation of property - a spoon, a mug, a bowl and a set of clothes for each family member.
    1. Straus_zloy
      Straus_zloy 22 August 2013 09: 58 New
      +5
      Yes, by the way, Russia has wonderful historical experience in the fight against sabotage.
  21. pinecone
    pinecone 22 August 2013 09: 51 New
    +3
    The word is sabotage.

    They used to say in Russian: Wrecking!
  22. clean water
    clean water 22 August 2013 11: 11 New
    +1
    Everything is as always: looking for who is to blame? So what to do? What are the suggestions? When will we have a CIVIL society?
  23. polly
    polly 22 August 2013 11: 13 New
    10
    In general, I do not want to run ahead, but for some reason the thought arises that the “saboteurs” will not be determined. Well, perhaps, some cement truck driver who “thwarted all plans”
    And you can judge a brick from a famous joke, which I immediately remembered after reading this sad story ... fellow
    Built a house. After some time, he fell apart ... as always, the guilty can not be found .... Who to judge? We decided to judge the brick, cement and sand ..
    Judge the brick:
    - it’s your fault that the house has collapsed, we will judge you!
    Brick:
    - No, it's not me, because they put me as I lay ...
    Judged sand:
    - it’s your fault that the house has collapsed, we will judge you!
    Sand:
    - No, it’s not my fault ... how much they threw into the solution, how much I lay ...
    Cement judged:
    - it’s your fault that the house has collapsed, we will judge you!
    Cement (indignantly):
    - Wait a minute, I THERE WAS NOT AT ALL !!!
  24. evil hamster
    evil hamster 22 August 2013 11: 19 New
    -1
    What a sabotage, what a nonsense. Wasteland and loafer Ragozin runs to where it is not necessary, depicts violent activity, gives out a bunch of errands and puffs out his cheeks for any reason. As expected, they ignore the instructions; on this occasion, he inflates his cheeks even more. In short, everything is at work, the builders are already starting to start, they are putting down the piece of iron, in short, the objects are at work, Rogozin is again worried about something like he directed something there, inadmissible and entrusted, and without his wise advice Spetsstroy won’t figure out how to build cosmodromes. In short, there is no news as such - white noise, article minus.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 August 2013 12: 50 New
      +2
      Quote: evil hamster
      As expected, they ignore him

      And what is it called? Isn't that the same SABOTAGE?
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 22 August 2013 23: 45 New
        0
        Sabotage is when a spaceport is not being built, and when a spaceport is being built, and a balabola is ignored - that’s right, I think so.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 22 August 2013 23: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: evil hamster
          Sabotage is when a spaceport is not being built, and when a spaceport is being built, and a balabola is ignored - that’s right, I think so.


          The dog barks - the caravan goes on.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 23 August 2013 13: 59 New
      +1
      in-kind hamster ... fool
  25. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 August 2013 11: 32 New
    +2
    But not officials from Spetsstroy and Roscosmos, in the end, should be called guilty ...
    - Well, of course .. the builders are guilty as always. Or not the builders, but the deadlines ... hi
    Quote: pinecone
    They used to say in Russian: Wrecking!

    And under STALIN-Sabotage! .. SHOT! hi
  26. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 22 August 2013 11: 44 New
    +5
    Serdyukov was removed, but his business lives on.
  27. runway
    runway 22 August 2013 11: 53 New
    +3
    So right away - TAMPER!
    Strong Rogozin rush words, but in fact - just covers his ass. When the supplier of products is the last surviving in a market economy, how much you do not squeeze out of it, you will no longer receive. We did not think about increasing and expanding production, we believed that everything would be magically built for pieces of paper ....
    Putin obviously caught a pike magic. According to the size of 10 kilograms, they wrote that 21 kg .... It was necessary to ask her for a spaceport, but she was gobbled up primitively ....
    1. avt
      avt 22 August 2013 14: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: piston
      Putin obviously caught a pike magic. According to the size of 10 kilograms, they wrote that 21 kg .... It was necessary to ask her for a spaceport, but she was gobbled up primitively ....

      You are simply not up to date. Pike, like a goldfish from a joke about a Jew, was really offered to fulfill wishes at her command, having heard what was required of her to do, she said, “fry right away.”
  28. USNik
    USNik 22 August 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    the first is to ensure the development of methods for determining the cost of construction of facilities
    How can you start building a Cosmodrome without first making an estimate !? belay
    The second - ... it was necessary to determine ... the necessary indicators for the calculations for the work performed in 2012, taking into account the actual data on the cost of construction.

    I agree with the previous comments about the offended and pouting sponge of Rogozin. As such, already 2013 is ending, and things are still there, ah-yay wretches! While I was driving around in the tanks and “buying up” at the exhibitions, you’re bustling me with a bunch of papers, but I need everything to be clearly painted- 1. State financing size 2. Real construction costs 3. Rollback to them 4. Rollback to me . All!!!
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 12: 49 New
      -1
      Quote: USNik

      I agree with the previous comments about the offended and pouting sponge of Rogozin. As such, already 2013 is ending, and things are still there, ah-yay wretches! While I was driving around in the tanks and “buying up” at the exhibitions, you’re bustling me with a bunch of papers, but I need everything to be clearly painted- 1. State financing size 2. Real construction costs 3. Rollback to them 4. Rollback to me . All!!!

      5. Kickbacks to yourself.
  29. solomon
    solomon 22 August 2013 12: 18 New
    +3
    Yeah ...
    It seems that without a temporary suspension of the moratorium on execution, things will not go better than before.
  30. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 22 August 2013 12: 43 New
    +5
    Two assignments were given. ............ The orders were not fulfilled.

    But the “business sausages” sitting at the tables of the ministries and departments, returning home in the evening groan: Ah, how tired I am (a)? And if you ask what it was that he (a) was doing so hard, it turns out that 4 hours went to smoke breaks, 3,5 hours went to forums and walks on entertainment sites, and only 18 minutes went to typing in Word-e. Workers, Mlyn, office plankton, creaks and other eulogies.
  31. dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 04 New
    +1
    And how many cosmodromes do Russia really need? It seems that Kazakhs do not take Baikonur, because he didn’t give up to them, they update Plesetsk, the Unions started to launch with the Brazilians, the Sea Launch, they slowly launch and even sometimes succeed. Now this East ...
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 August 2013 15: 45 New
      +2
      Having your own spaceports, you do not need to pay rent. Well, why is Moldova so protesting against the separation of Transdniestria? Because it is categorically disadvantageous to her. So with the spaceports. Russia seeks to make it beneficial to it. So that the money received from the launches of foreign satellites remained in Russia.
      It is bad that Moldova is not a space country. You would say otherwise if you knew that the money went to other countries
  32. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 22 August 2013 14: 32 New
    +1
    We forget about ACCOUNTING and CONTROL - if the joint venture finds jambs, then the manager should answer for it - and it turns out that we "sat" on one armchair - steal-up - moved to another - more conveniently than before - stole again - etc. CONTROL - I do not, since a person is not responsible for their actions. But such irresponsibility is now everywhere (there is experience working for a large state-owned company).
  33. Essenger
    Essenger 22 August 2013 14: 42 New
    +3
    Article plus from me. Quickly build the "East" and close the "Baikonur".
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 22 August 2013 22: 33 New
      +2
      Not from Vostochny they will be firing a new rocket (environmentally friendly), but a Proton with heptyl will fly away from us while it will be needed.
      1. 6216390
        6216390 22 August 2013 23: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: Semurg
        A proton with heptyl from us will fly while it will be needed.

        Thank you, you are very kind.
  34. carbofo
    carbofo 22 August 2013 15: 37 New
    -1
    The level of responsibility and moral values ​​of leadership are falling like a stone into the abyss.
    I watched a film about Ushakov, the admiral and all that! BUT he liberated Cyprus and he wrote them the Constitution and declared the Republic! previously possessed tremendous independence, but the level of responsibility was not an example above.
    Previously, for an unreliable business, one could literally lay down one's head.
    Modern rulers are about nothing.
  35. iustut
    iustut 22 August 2013 16: 14 New
    +1
    Until July 2013, Naginsky, the former deputy Serdyukov, worked and worked as the director of Spetsstroy. They became friends with Naginsky for a long time and they had joint commercial interests. So having put Naginsky in Spetsstroy, he was launched (not a satellite and a rocket launcher) into the garden.

    Spetsstroy of Russia is subordinate to the Ministry of Defense of Russia, which
    carries out coordination and control of its activities.

    And how beautiful it sounds:

    Time puts everything in its place: national tasks related to maintaining defense capability and security are once again being put forward by the country's leadership, and in this regard, I would like to note once again that the main priority in the activities of the Federal Agency for Special Construction was and remains to increase the power of the Russian State.

    Construction has always been considered a creative process, and we are proud to make our contribution to the good of our Fatherland.

    From here: [media = http: //www.spetsstroy.ru/direction/]
  36. Oml
    Oml 22 August 2013 17: 30 New
    0
    At the end of 2011, the then director of the Russian Federal Agency for Spetsstroy, Mr. Naginsky, said that building an Eastern state would cost no less than 300 billion rubles. At the same time, Naginsky added that the lion's share of this amount will be spent on the construction of an entire city for 40 thousand people.


    If you divide 300 billion rubles into these 40 thousand, then everyone should get 7.5 million each (respectively, a family of 4 people - 30 million). Probably the city will be made of marble and rubies. Here is a new opportunity to steal.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 22 August 2013 18: 38 New
      0
      Quote: OML
      If you divide 300 billion rubles into these 40 thousand, then everyone should get 7.5 million

      You are a wonderful arithmetic. But similar things are always forgotten by your kind, such as shops, schools, kindergartens, sports and cultural institutions, roads, sewage treatment plants, communications, water, gas, heat, electricity and much more. And all this is included in that amount!
      Are you so worried that you were not allowed to steal there?
  37. alone
    alone 22 August 2013 17: 58 New
    +1
    Popovkin promises, Rogozin barks two errands, they do not get out. Rogozin is indignant.

    I think it’s impossible to raise the country. Tough measures are needed. Well, let’s say for a start, is it time to start a criminal case against Popovkin? and another lesson will be
    1. alone
      alone 22 August 2013 22: 25 New
      0
      gives two instructions * - I apologize for the error
  38. mole
    mole 22 August 2013 18: 00 New
    +3
    At the end of the perestroika period, the word OFFICIAL, thanks to the active work of dem. The media evoked associations with the words:
    -turn out;
    - a break;
    -bureaucrat;
    Dodger
    primitive, etc.
    now associated with the words:
    nothing saint;
    -sabotage;
    Fraud;
    -requires execution;
    - regular;
    -betrayal...
    it is urgent to change the harmful tendency, otherwise soon there will be no homeland or flag left! stop
  39. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 22 August 2013 18: 38 New
    +2
    “Each accident has a surname, name and patronymic!” Said the People's Commissar of Railway Transport Kaganovich. Each product - from a hammer to an airplane - was associated with a name, with the personality of its creator.
    1. SPLV
      SPLV 22 August 2013 19: 43 New
      +1
      Duc et Jew Kaganovich! we have all the Russians, saints ...
  40. PavelOPG
    PavelOPG 22 August 2013 19: 22 New
    -3
    it is full of yellow holes. they would have built everything for a bowl of rice a long time ago smile
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 23 August 2013 14: 03 New
      +1
      These zhelotorotiki will soon build a third nuclear carrier. I would not speak so low of them ...
  41. Yuri Y.
    Yuri Y. 22 August 2013 19: 25 New
    +1
    Quote: Essenger
    Article plus from me. Quickly build the "East" and close the "Baikonur".

    Kazakhstan Baikonur will not close for any. Master the operation, while ours are there, and wring it out. Rogozin’s words simply remind him of his proposal to reform Roscosmos. The opinion about the cut is already reflexive for us (not without reason, of course, but they can exploit)
  42. goats denis
    goats denis 22 August 2013 20: 24 New
    0
    You see, gentlemen, all this is nonsense. Nothing and nobody from this place will take off and fly.
  43. shpuntik
    shpuntik 22 August 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    Further Rogozin is already indignant:
    Any deviation from the plan I will consider as sabotage. I am not going to classify myself as those civil servants who will tolerate non-fulfillment of orders.

    Chatter, demagoguery. While people like Kvachkov are sitting, nothing will budge. Everything is already obvious to everyone, it is time to move from words to action. How does anyone think that if you collect signatures on the Internet for Kvachkov, is it possible to free them? Today I watched a video with him, I was even more imbued with respect. They planted, then they are afraid. Most likely, it will not work out already. It is a pity when Russia loses such people.
  44. dimon-media
    dimon-media 22 August 2013 21: 41 New
    +1
    let Spetsstroy get a loan from the Central Bank, finish the construction work and ultimately deliver to the competent persons financial reports on the spent funds - what, how much, how much and why. You can’t, for example, buy boxes of matches for 1000 rubles. So everything will come out more transparently. And only then the Ministry of Finance will pay off the debt of Spetsstroy to the Central Bank. No other way. Direct injection of money into the project is an occasion for theft. The stolen will not return. And stealing from oneself is nonsense.
  45. studentmati
    studentmati 22 August 2013 23: 27 New
    -1
    The geographical location of the East is politically short-sighted. Tasty.
  46. 6216390
    6216390 22 August 2013 23: 35 New
    +1
    Put Rogozin as the head of the cosmodrome construction and see what happens. lol
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 22 August 2013 23: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: 6216390
      Put Rogozin as the head of the cosmodrome construction and see what happens.


      Mr. R. is a professional in verbiage, and certainly not in the construction of cosmodromes. It is known in advance what happens.
      1. 6216390
        6216390 23 August 2013 09: 30 New
        0
        Quote: studentmati
        Mr. R ... well, no way the construction of spaceports


        This is the best way to deal with verbiage.
  47. Evgeniy46
    Evgeniy46 22 August 2013 23: 58 New
    +1
    The main thing now is that the "East" is being built and is being built quickly. And with all theft and sabotage, let the RF IC understand
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 23 August 2013 00: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: Eugene46
      And with all theft and sabotage, let the RF IC understand


      SK of course will figure it out! But it is much more correct to prevent these thefts!
  48. Combitor
    Combitor 23 August 2013 02: 33 New
    +1
    Usually, when they begin to sort out any crimes (and sabotage, undoubtedly, is a crime for which, in one period of the history of our country, they were shot, in the other - they were sentenced for a long period), all persons assigned to this crime are identified. Maybe to begin with the one whose signatures are under the decrees-orders on the appointment of specific persons responsible for this sabotage? And start asking with those who put these signatures?
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 24 August 2013 01: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Kombitor
      And start asking with those who put these signatures?


      They ask first of all from those who were appointed "terpils."
    2. Fat Fat
      Fat Fat 24 August 2013 09: 48 New
      0
      Oga, uncle vet petition, de boyars allow proser money, oksti boyars. And happiness will immediately come.
  49. Fat Fat
    Fat Fat 23 August 2013 02: 54 New
    +1
    Quote: Eugene46
    The main thing now is that the "East" is being built and is being built quickly. And with all theft and sabotage, let the RF IC understand

    About quickly - laughed. About SK - laughed indecently for a long time. The reality is somewhat different, Mr. Eugene.
    1. Evgeniy46
      Evgeniy46 23 August 2013 21: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Fat Fat
      About quickly - laughed. About SK - laughed indecently for a long time. The reality is somewhat different, Mr. Eugene.

      I answer late - I was busy.
      1. Building really fast - browse through the "Made with us" photo review
      2. With SK - anything can be.
      3. I have been living in the Russian Federation all my conscious life, but I cannot stand the “gentleman”. Contact "comrade"
      1. Fat Fat
        Fat Fat 24 August 2013 01: 22 New
        +1
        Comrade Eugene, I live in Amurka, therefore I can do without photo reviews.
  50. vietnam7
    vietnam7 23 August 2013 05: 42 New
    +2
    Is Popovkin who at one time used to drive us an Italian armored personnel carrier and shouted that the T90 is no better than the T34? Is he not yet in a sweatshirt building a comodrome "with comrades"?