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L.Ivashov: “Serdyukov is not allowed to put powerful forces in the country's leadership”

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They will not allow equating corruption in the defense system with treason change.


Nevertheless, this is the highest policy in politics - to present obvious and common truths as insight. Has anyone ever had any doubt that property crimes in the defense structure of any country are akin to high treason? It seems that people of reasonable doubt on this part can not be by definition: the causal link is painfully clear here.

But for some reason, our legislator has so far avoided thinking about it, defining corruption in the defense sphere almost on a par with extortion in schools (also bad, but, you see, incomparable in consequences for the country), and the proposed “Fair Russia »The bill amending the Criminal Code, which finally call things by their proper names, is served almost as a breakthrough, the very“ insight ”. But let's not quibble: thanks to the legislator and for the fact that he nevertheless decided to formulate the right thoughts in the form of a legislative proposal. Is it surprising that the initiators were not United Russia, not the Popular Front, which, as we know from them, are tirelessly fighting corruption. And they tirelessly agree with the president, who curses corruptionists in the defense industry. But only, it seems, the relevant instructions from the Administration did not go down to the party of power. Now, probably, elbows gnaw.

In this light, the legislative initiative of the fair-Russian Igor Zotov - specifically his legislative initiative - does not look so promising no matter what respected experts say. Accept such historical (without exaggeration) the document of the Duma obviously can only be under the flag of Putin. Consequently, either in the bowels of United Russia a similar document is already being prepared, which in many respects will turn out (for a look) even more sophisticated than Zotovsky, or a shaft of amendments awaits the existing initiative, each of which will be offered with the most responsible PR support.

But what we will have from all this hype in the bottom line - a question of questions. Is the prospect of gaining the stigma of a traitor to the Motherland to scare away those who saw millions and tens and hundreds? Are they so conscientious? Steal and shy, just to think bad? Of course, the punishment will already be implied otherwise, but here the “inspiring” example of Anatoly Serdyukov, who, as the military investigation literally just established, was “misled” by cunning ladies. Wonderful wording for those who like to cash in on state-owned tranches: “we wanted to do our best, but were misled.”

And after all, someone will believe and even sympathize.

A well-known political analyst, president of the Academy of Political Problems, Colonel-General of the Reserve Leonid Ivashov, in an interview with a columnist for KM.RU, noted that the initiative of the fair Russia, with all its sympathy, is unrealizable and insufficient:

- I do not think that United Russia will pass this law. And the proposal itself to equate corruption in the military sphere with high treason does not sound like a legal norm, but rather as political public relations. Another thing is that corruption crimes committed in the field of defense should be punished an order of magnitude more strictly, this should be an aggravating circumstance. Treason against the motherland implies life imprisonment, and, of course, the legislator will never go on to give a life sentence for corruption, even in the military sphere. The initiative itself is positive, it can only be welcomed, but at the same time it is necessary to look at things soberly. Yes, Putin also talked about this, but these are all just political phrases.

The main trouble that exists today is the systematic elimination of the country's defense potential. It happens by the will of those who pushed through the Agreement on the Status of Forces, who allowed the NATO troops to move almost freely throughout our country. These influential forces in the leadership of the country today possess tremendous penetrating power. They pushed Serdyukov to the post of minister, they gave him a blank check for the theft and the destruction of the country's defense. But today they do not allow him to be imprisoned, because they are afraid of the judicial process, that he can name certain names, draw all the high-ranking forces with him, that they have been covering him all this time.

The plan with Serdyukov did not justify himself, but the destructive forces undertook a much more savage attack on the defense capability of our country. Today we can perfectly see how those enterprises that create advanced weapons are privatized in the first place. These are research institutes, these are our illustrious enterprises. It was decided to strike at the military-scientific, for design ideas, for achievements in the field of defense and defense-industrial research, in fact, to destroy the material basis for the army. Yes, Sergei Kuzhugetovich somehow tries to adjust the situation, money is allocated for new developments, but ultimately it all comes down to the fact that we are still buying weapons abroad, and we are buying, as a matter of fact, old stuff.

A separate issue is the management of defense enterprises. Dubna has a renowned International Center for Nuclear Research. In fact, this is after all the basis of our power, but since this center is international, its leadership turned out to be such people who wrote such instructions that no secret development can be conducted there: everything needs to be posted on the Internet, everyone needs to share with Americans and not only . The most promising developments and achievements in the field of defense can no longer be realized.

The existence of the legendary MiG company is a big question. Conversations are underway that the Russian army needs only Sukhoi heavy fighters. Against this background, MIG's light fighter aircraft are being “extinguished”. The result is that throughout the world, including the United States, the ratio of light and heavy fighters is approximately 70 to 30, and we have the opposite: heavy fighters will be enough, but fighters for our defensive doctrine to gain air supremacy, cover the troops will not.

And here is the most recent example. We have such a State Research Institute of Chemistry and Technology of Elements of Organic Compounds. This is a unique enterprise where development is carried out in order to provide our Topol to increase its efficiency, to strengthen our rocket engines, to enhance the effectiveness of conventional weapons, to cover ships through certain curtains, and so on. On this part are the most powerful development. Meanwhile, at the end of last year, the Americans demanded that these developments be transferred to them for very good money. As a result, the leadership of Rostekhnologii issued a decree according to which the director general of the institute was removed from his post, and a graduate of the Moscow State Institute of International Relations, candidate of political sciences was put in his place. That is, in fact, from the United States an order came to our country from above, ours took it under the visor and executed it.

Treason to the Motherland is not just corruption (nowhere without it, such a system has been created). But the facts of undermining the country's defense should be interpreted unequivocally as a betrayal of the Motherland.
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  1. SPACE
    SPACE 22 August 2013 07: 28 New
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    Are there really no people in the entire Russian army who would take sin into their hearts ... and cleanse the country from filth? In edification ...
    1. Ulysses
      Ulysses 22 August 2013 07: 53 New
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      Eternal memory to General Rokhlin L.Ya.
      I don’t see figures of this caliber in the army.
      Maybe I don’t know about them. sad
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 22 August 2013 12: 40 New
        +6
        no longer do such .................... a pity .........
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 June 2017 04: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Ulysses
        Eternal memory to General Rokhlin L.Ya.

        Where to make the Rokhlins throughout Russia? It was a piece of paper .... By the way, I asked my wife - she shoots, by the way, decently - so, in a fit of jealousy from my award APS, could you convince me with one shot to the head? My said that in a fit of jealousy I wouldn’t have let out the whole clip ... And let them tell me how Rokhlin’s wife “in a fit of jealousy” hit him with one shot in the head ... The handwriting is traced ....
    2. Beibit
      Beibit 22 August 2013 08: 37 New
      +8
      they are all implicated in corruption in the defense sphere. So they are afraid to apply the term Gos treason. Booty thought when they received the money, and when the brain was turned on, they recalled that everyone was on the hook at s. Step left Step right Media will reveal the truth. The people are already sitting angry. The story (as it was with Trotsky) can be repeated.
    3. kris
      kris 22 August 2013 09: 46 New
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      the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!
      1. Airman
        Airman 22 August 2013 10: 20 New
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        The existence of the legendary MiG company is a big question. Conversations are underway that the Russian army needs only Sukhoi heavy fighters. Against this background, MIG's light fighter aircraft are being “extinguished”. The result is that throughout the world, including the United States, the ratio of light and heavy fighters is approximately 70 to 30, and we have the opposite: heavy fighters will be enough, but fighters for our defensive doctrine to gain air supremacy, cover the troops will not.
        THERE IS YOUR RESPONSE, WHY they refused to purchase the MiG-35, for the sake of the same Pogosyan.
      2. A spacer
        A spacer 22 August 2013 10: 47 New
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        Quote: kris
        fish rots from the head! Putin's cover allows the stool to "put" on all prosecutors, and on all the others!

        Yeah, in the language of the 90s - nishtyak the roof of a serdyuk ... fellow
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 22 August 2013 12: 43 New
          +4
          Quote: Simpleton
          Yeah, in the language of the 90s - nishtyak the roof of a serdyuk ...
          rightly said KOSMOS. So where to find such "roofers" Schaub this roof was altered .......
          1. Orik
            Orik 22 August 2013 15: 18 New
            +4
            Even with today's oil prices, pampering with statistics and other things, we have stagnation, tomorrow the economy will begin to fall. As soon as the oil spray ceases to reach the majority, the roofing team will form by itself. Here is more about this http://sulakshin.ru/chem-huzhe-tem-luchshe-ili-chem-luchshe-tem-huzhe/
        2. Neputin
          Neputin 3 March 2017 08: 32 New
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          Yes, Putin has by and large nothing to do with it. He is nothing more than an extras in extras. Corruption, as a phenomenon, is the foundation of state-oligarchic capitalism. The whole tip, in any cap. country corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. This is an absolute fact. At the same time, the part of society that understands the possible consequences of uncontrolled corruption is trying to at least limit it to laws. Somewhere successfully, somewhere not very. We have not reached this stage of development yet - we are fighting with teachers, doctors and police officers (although this is also important).
          Hence the conclusions:
          1. Under the conditions of state-oligarchic capitalism, corruption cannot be defeated, since it is part of the system.
          2. A soft change in the existing order towards the social orientation of the social system is possible, but to a certain point, when the government itself rests and does not do anything.
          3. The introduction of serious articles and the same terms with CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY OF THE WHOLE FAMILY is one of the palliative measures that is achievable and effective.
        3. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 June 2017 04: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: Simpleton
          in the language of the 90s - nishtyak the roof of the serdyuk ...
          In the language of the 90s -
      3. Constantine
        Constantine 22 August 2013 11: 14 New
        +3
        Quote: kris
        the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!


        Is there concrete evidence that Putin is "protecting" him? wassat or cococo again? wassat
        1. Uhe
          Uhe 22 August 2013 11: 33 New
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          Yes, Putin himself spoke about this.

          Well, turn on your brains already, analyze, and do not eat the chewing gum that the media feed you on. The furniture maker is such a thief that there is nowhere to put stigmas on him. So he has already come to Min. on taxes. And after all, they put him in, knowing his tricks, and then transferred to the Ministry of Defense. Think for yourself why and why. Unfortunately, the overall picture is extremely disgusting.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 22 August 2013 13: 31 New
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            Quote: Uhe
            Yes, Putin himself spoke about this.


            I do not ask opinions, I ask proofs. hi
            1. soldier's grandson
              soldier's grandson 23 August 2013 00: 51 New
              +5
              Putin on a live video bridge answered this question like this: Serdyukov is not guilty, the court determines the guilt, incorrect investment does not financially mean that the person is guilty, we are all mistaken
          2. MaksoMelan
            MaksoMelan April 16 2017 09: 46 New
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            As a project to destroy the Soviet army to create the Russian. And who knows how to destroy?
        2. shpuntik
          shpuntik 22 August 2013 13: 23 New
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          Constantine RU Today, 11:14 ↑
          Is there concrete evidence that Putin is "protecting" him?

          Konstantin, welcome. I can’t pass by, I’ll get into a conversation: not Putin, but Zubkov :-) Putin is nobody, but Zubkov’s former son-in-law. Maybe they want to return him to the family? Mistress is planted, but he is not touched lol .
          As for Putin, for what I bought - for that I will sell, think for yourself:
          http://baikal24.ru/page.php?action=showItem&type=hot&id=115
          Corr. - You will insist that Deripaska is still the leader of Russia? Even after the Pikalevo story and Putin’s humiliating requests to give Deripaska an American visa?

          ON THE. “I will be telling obvious things to me.” Your business, how do you evaluate them. In 1999, Putin flew to Sayanogorsk, to the Gladenkaya ski resort. There he had bridegrooms, and Oleg Vladimirovich Deripaska, Tatyana Borisovna Dyachenko, Alexander Stalievich Voloshin, Valentin Anatolyevich Yumashev blessed him to work as manager - President of the Russian Federation. Since then, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin has never retreated from his contract, on the basis of which he gradually became a business partner of these people. Some clauses of this contract now do not hide, for example, transferring to him 20% of Russian Aluminum from Mikhail Cherny for power and ideological cover for this part of the business. Other parts of the contract remain secret until now.

          Corr. - Eduard Limonov wrote about this meeting, and soon went to prison ...

          ON THE. - That's right, the contract has already earned, they gave the order to the FSB, they executed. Limonov did not write anything about the contract, only about the fact of the bride, and his landing had already given a sign to everyone else to be silent, there wasn’t time yet, the situation had not strengthened. And now these facts are no longer hidden.

          So there are such thoughts hi
          PS By the way, many on the forum shout that if you are against Putin, then you must be a "liberal" and a "swamp hamster." It is not always so. For example, I believe that there are two groups: only the one that "Proaydarovskaya-SHA-Novo-Dvorovskaya" was removed from the trough and saws, that's all. The group that is in power for an integral, strong Russia, it plays its own game, but it treats the titular Russian nation in a consumerist and wary manner.
          1. Constantine
            Constantine 22 August 2013 13: 46 New
            +3
            2 shpuntik

            This is not evidence because entirely based on the verbal data of one person. There is no factual evidence or anything else.

            I agree that Putin does not have absolute power and many of his decisions are simply blocked, and some, like the guarantor of the constitution, he simply cannot put forward. What I personally see is a struggle. The struggle within the elites for the old system, when everything went to enrich a narrow circle of people, and the new, when all resources were directed to the country and its interests.

            As for the adoption of verbal data by anyone, without official confirmation, for truth, I will say the same thing as always. In order to be objective, one cannot put the truth of authority higher than the authority of truth. hi
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 22 August 2013 15: 22 New
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              Constantine RU Today, 13:46 ↑
              This is not evidence because entirely based on the verbal data of one person. There is no factual evidence or anything else.

              Not so simple Konstantin, there is evidence. This is an interview with Deripaska for 2006. It talks about Putin as a protege. Check out: http://www.mignews.com/news/interview/cis/120306_105944_71317.html
              After that, the newsletter was no longer issued.
              The Bulletin "Time of Eurasia" presents the view of O.V. Deripaska on the prospects for the development of state power, business, primarily on the prospects of the Asian republics of the post-Soviet space.
              1. Constantine
                Constantine 22 August 2013 15: 51 New
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                Quote: shpuntik
                Not so simple Konstantin, there is evidence. This is an interview with Deripaska for 2006. It talks about Putin as a protege. Check out: http://www.mignews.com/news/interview/cis/120306_105944_71317.html
                After that, the newsletter was no longer issued.


                There are no clear instructions, but there are references to the post-Soviet space. In other words, you yourself thought up and equated Russia with Lithuania, or Latvia, for example. These are two different categories of countries with different capabilities in many ways.

                In addition, the dismantling of the system from the time of the EBN took place then the initial stage and is still ongoing. The influence of the oligarchs is undoubtedly there, but it is no longer what it was during the so-called seven bankers, for example.

                Quote: shpuntik
                The Bulletin "Time of Eurasia" presents the view of O.V. Deripaska on the prospects for the development of state power, business, primarily on the prospects of the Asian republics of the post-Soviet space.


                Definitely, I would not judge. If you dig a little deeper, we will see that MIG News belongs to the Ukrainian Jew Vadim Rabinovich, who, judging by the rest of the assets, is tightly tied to the USA, Israel and a number of other countries.

                To better understand whose interests he serves, here is one example of highlighting true interests:
                On November 29, 2007, on the website of MіGnews.com owned by Vadim Rabinovich, information was posted that during the opening of the monument to the victims of the Holodomor in Zaporizhia, the leader of the Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists in the Zaporizhzhya Region Vasily Tymchina allegedly said: “Our time has come and the Dnieper will turn red from the blood of the Jews and her. ” After checking, the Zaporizhzhya Oblast Prosecutor, together with the SBU, established that Vasily Tymchina was not present at the rally because of illness, which was confirmed by audio and video recordings, as well as witness statements.


                hi
                1. shpuntik
                  shpuntik 22 August 2013 20: 07 New
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                  Constantine RU Today, 15:51 ↑
                  There are no clear instructions, but there are references to the post-Soviet space. In other words, you yourself thought up and equated Russia with Lithuania, or Latvia, for example.

                  What direction do you want? Exact numbers? How much interest does anyone have? Nobody will say, demand the impossible. About the former prime minister Kasyanov, it was said everywhere: "Mr. two percent", so he did not hide much lol
                  As for Lithuania, I did not quite understand ... Yes, okay. I didn’t think of anything, everything was said clearly in the interview and not only in "MіGnews.com" it is.
                  http://www.lebed.com/2006/art4517.htm
                  Here is a quote from there, everything is clearly said in my opinion, there can be no double interpretation.

                  - And Putin, excuse me, is he a manager? Or does he make decisions?

                  - The President of Russia is a kind of top manager managing the whole country. He is an intelligent, adequate person, never exceeding the limits of his authority. We noticed how the state apparatus in the White House earned, how the prosecutor's office, the courts, special services work, how Russian television channels and newspapers work? Just brilliant! Everything helps the economy, business, and does not interfere with us, as it was recently.

                  Under this you can give money, which we do.

                  - "We" are big business?

                  - "We" is the Russian real power. Big business is part of our technology.
            2. denn
              denn 22 August 2013 19: 24 New
              +1
              I agree with you. It surprises you with so many minuses: either trolls, or people don’t understand anything at all.
            3. Neputin
              Neputin 3 March 2017 08: 40 New
              +1
              Constantine RU Today, 13:46 ↑
              This is not evidence because entirely based on the verbal data of one person. There is no factual evidence or anything else.

              Why are you saying this? Kindergarten! If this information (I mean documentary evidence) gets to a person who should not know it, this person will not live for 2 days. Head need to think.
          2. Basil123
            Basil123 22 August 2013 18: 13 New
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            interview bullshit I try to be an objective deripaska is not an actor see that mezan scene
            1. shpuntik
              shpuntik 22 August 2013 21: 56 New
              +1
              Basil123 RU Today, 18:13 ↑
              interview bullshit I try to be an objective deripaska is not an actor see that mezan scene

              Similarly, I try to be objective yes Here is another interview, there is about the "pen" + TV presenter Solovyov walked about it bitingly, I don't remember reading where, if you find it, you won't regret it. hi
              http://baikal24.ru/page.php?action=showItem&type=hot&id=115
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          1. Constantine
            Constantine 22 August 2013 13: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: yak69
            from, a vivid example of an idolater!


            What does idolatry have to do with it? I asked for proof of the prosecution. They were not provided to me, but they were showered with minuses and accused of everything. Is it not idolatry and cutting out those who do not agree with the conclusions of the "creative" and others + asks to support their point of view?

            Quote: yak69
            He needs evidence. And what we see is not enough ?!


            What I see is verbiage. Evidence is always needed because only they can point to a single truth. She is always alone, but there are many opinions.

            Quote: yak69
            Such a position is a direct and convincing proof of your complicity in a state crime committed by our government for many years.


            In the same I can blame you. wassat And anyone can blame each other. Therefore, evidence is needed. smile

            Quote: yak69
            I sincerely hope that the time will come when fans of Pukin will be tried for complicity. And your comments will form the basis of the indictment base.


            OK. Take a screen and save it as a keepsake. I am ready to answer for my words anytime, anywhere hi
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        4. Constantine
          Constantine 22 August 2013 15: 55 New
          +3
          Quote: Constantine
          Quote: kris
          the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!

          Is there any concrete evidence that it is Putin who is "protecting" him? or again "cococo"?


          What I like most about the voting system is the ability, with the right approach, to count the number of active hamsters on the site. Apparently, money from Navalny’s sponsors went to keyboard fighters by 30% since the number of their activity is growing everywhere. They ply weakly, but a lot, which means fresh acces.

          Before the elections 2.5 weeks, let's see what will be their activity after them wassat
          1. denn
            denn 22 August 2013 19: 46 New
            0
            Not excluded. Moreover, the opposition openly warned of a stormy fall. Blood is desirable.
        5. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 25 February 2017 15: 41 New
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          Quote: Constantine
          Quote: kris
          the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!

          Is there concrete evidence that Putin is "protecting" him? wassat or cococo again? wassat

          And if Putin does not protect, then who and why cannot prevent such protection? Is he our President, who has sworn an oath to serve the people and the country, or is he just a spokesman for public relations with those who protect thieves and really rule the country? If so, do we need such a president?
      4. yak69
        yak69 22 August 2013 13: 35 New
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        Quote: kris
        the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!

        No!! How can Putin, the savior of the fatherland, the guardian for the people, be accused of covering stools ?! After all, he is so nice and dear to so many forum users. They are ready to cut a throat for him for anyone!
        1. Constantine
          Constantine 22 August 2013 13: 53 New
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          Quote: yak69
          No!! How can Putin, the savior of the fatherland, the guardian for the people, be accused of covering stools ?! After all, he is so nice and dear to so many forum users. They are ready to cut a throat for him for anyone!


          So you prove it. Why are there so many letters when it is enough to point to the evidence and all the options that are different from reality will lose their force. hi
    4. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 10: 17 New
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      Quote: SPACE
      Are there really no people in the entire Russian army who would take sin into their hearts ... and cleanse the country from filth? In edification ...

      EVERYONE who could have quit or been fired. Those who were disagreeable and dissenting were expelled from the army, and only consonants and pleasurable remained, I mean the generals. And so in the army and now there is another dissenting, but ..... secretly, otherwise they will tear out.
    5. figwam
      figwam 22 August 2013 11: 38 New
      +5
      Who could either in the other world, or sit.
    6. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 12: 03 New
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      "L. Ivashov:" Serdyukov is not allowed to plant influential forces in the country's leadership ", They will not allow equating corruption in the defense system to treason" - I am irritated by the actions of our leadership, politicians, "law enforcement officers" - recently they do not even hide his helplessness or unwillingness to resolve the issue with Serdyukov. This is a betrayal, there is no other way to name their actions. Apparently they don't care about justice. Played with democracy.
      If there are such forces, they need to be identified publicly, people should know their "heroes" by sight. Those who cover up Serdyukov should be stripped of their posts and brought to justice. All these businessmen and swindlers have already got it from the authorities. It turns out that if there is no action in relation to Serdyukov and others, then Putin covers them up, but how else? Why are Chubais and others still at large?
      1. Grenader
        Grenader 22 August 2013 15: 31 New
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        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        "L. Ivashov:" Serdyukov is not allowed to plant influential forces in the country's leadership ", They will not allow equating corruption in the defense system to treason" - I am irritated by the actions of our leadership, politicians, "law enforcement officers" - recently they do not even hide his helplessness or unwillingness to resolve the issue with Serdyukov. This is a betrayal, there is no other way to name their actions. Apparently they don't care about justice. Played with democracy.
        If there are such forces, they need to be identified publicly, people should know their "heroes" by sight. Those who cover up Serdyukov should be stripped of their posts and brought to justice. All these businessmen and swindlers have already got it from the authorities. It turns out that if there is no action in relation to Serdyukov and others, then Putin covers them up, but how else? Why are Chubais and others still at large?

        GDP said, we are not 37 years old. 37 year is already a must. Destructive forces are trying to ruin the army - so this is a crime against the state, against the whole people. For this to punish in a cruel way. Destroy the fifth column at the root before it is too late. In the actions of our government, I do not see this.
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 25 February 2017 15: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Grenader
          Destroy the fifth column at the root before it is too late.

          Yeah, how can one destroy the root, the gut is thin under the current government, because Aunt Merkel and the "progressive progressive public" of the West will then be called a bloody despot and tyrant, it’s so scary, worse than the collapse of the army and the country.
      2. shpuntik
        shpuntik 22 August 2013 15: 37 New
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        Ruslan_F38 (1) RU Today, 12:03 ↑
        ... It turns out that if there is no action against Serdyukov and others, then Putin covers them, but how else? Why is Chubais and others still at large?

        Ruslan, better than Kvachkov, few will say:
    7. Far East
      Far East 22 August 2013 12: 19 New
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      Quote: SPACE
      Are there really no people in the entire Russian army who would take sin into their hearts ... and cleanse the country from filth? In edification ...

      Respected! are you talking about? (like FILL)? laughing
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 22 August 2013 16: 24 New
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        Quote: Far East
        Respected! are you talking about? (like FILL)?

        Sometimes justice is performed by SVD with a silencer, and some make you grow wiser and think about the transience of life!
        Just some lost FEAR ...
        1. Airman
          Airman 22 August 2013 20: 43 New
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          Quote: SPACE

          Sometimes justice is performed by SVD with a silencer, and some make you grow wiser and think about the transience of life!
          Just some lost FEAR ...

          No, they did not lose FEAR, IT IS SCARY, ALREADY SCARRING, therefore there was not ONE person in the streets either in the inauguration or in St. Petersburg. And the FSO was inflated to an incredible size.
    8. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 August 2013 13: 32 New
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      What is the point of adopting another "strict" law on "traitors to the Motherland" if in the Russian Federation, according to the State Duma members themselves, more than 90 percent of the laws do not work !!? And the legal field does not apply to those in power. The same smerdyakov not subject to jurisdiction under no article at all, although the current Criminal Code is more than enough for this. Even the blind can see and the deaf can hear that if you draw the force of law on the nominal rulers of the Russian Federation, most of them will be saved only by a moratorium on the death penalty.
    9. Horla
      Horla 22 August 2013 13: 41 New
      +8
      Kvachkov only thought.
    10. siberalt
      siberalt 26 February 2017 10: 46 New
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      Under the liberal Constitution, the concept of "Treason to the Homeland" does not roll at all. What can I say, they won’t even be able to sweep confiscation from us. For, private property is sacred and inviolable, and it is not important how you formed it. The system needs to be changed. hi
    11. ajx
      ajx 2 March 2017 16: 53 New
      0
      He’s definitely not in the Army, Serdyukov carried out the main instruction - dismissed officers who had experience in the normal army (SA), who were taught military affairs not on fingers and computer simulators, but on training grounds in mud, cold, etc. Who had an opinion, who could make decisions independently.
      This is the main reason why they did not plant. He did what he was assigned to do. Just think, I steal a little, with whom it does not happen, all of these. Now in the UAC. Think about why and who pushed this terminator there!
  2. riding
    riding 22 August 2013 07: 32 New
    39
    Until the thief and traitor Serdyukov are imprisoned, while the thief, cynic, and enemy of Russia Chubais is invulnerable, until anti-people decisions are made by washing, they will not trust the authorities. the economy of the Far East.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 22 August 2013 07: 40 New
      26
      I agree one hundred percent, no excuses for difficulties with bringing Serdyukov to justice are not accepted, we either have power, or it is not, more precisely, there is but not ours.
      1. Far East
        Far East 22 August 2013 12: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        either there is power, or it does not exist, or rather there is, but not ours.

        here here good and ALL should be planted! more than half of the deputies! then we won’t knock on the clave! what good they are! it's just that it's KITCHEN BAZAAR! if everything is so bad in our country !? sho we sit and resent! no more EXTRAORDINARY! but for us, no one will do anything! and so we’ll knock on the clave, and say wow what they are not good!
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    3. duke
      duke 22 August 2013 08: 51 New
      +7
      3 years after the release of the Federal Reserve Act, even President Woodrow Wilson had doubts about which genie he released during his first term:

      “Some of the most influential businessmen and industrialists in the United States are afraid of something. They feel that there is some kind of power so organized, so secret, so omnipresent, so powerful and all-encompassing, that even if they have something against it, it’s better to keep your thoughts to yourself. ”
    4. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
      -1
      Quote: koni
      Until the thief and traitor Serdyukov are imprisoned

      Serdyukov (as the son-in-law of a close friend and like-minded GDP - Zubkov, and therefore his own and faithful) was appointed to the post of Moscow Region on the eve of the departure of GDP to the premieres ... as a guarantee that the Army and Navy will not allow the rise and strengthening of the DAMA clan in a new place. In the course of his housekeeping in the Ministry of Defense, Serdyukov began to “grab” everything that is bad (and even good). The Accounts Chamber ... FSB ... a number of other control bodies clearly reported on this to the SUPREME CHIEF COMMANDER - LADY. But the latter was silent and lowered all the "tricks" of Serdyukov on the brakes. By this, he practically dragged the “prankster" - the head of Moscow Region, to his side! But DAM did not calculate the real strength of GDP! And, despite the numerous hints of DAM to the leaders of the leading countries of the WEST, about the readiness to "continue to rule the country, which has repeatedly sounded in an interview with Western media ... he was pushed a notch ... bye! And Serdyukov ... for the attempt to “change the roof” was quickly sent to WITNESSES, too - for now (this “crucian” remained on the hook) ... we still have to reckon with the GDP, which has gained some strength, the liberal political and economic “DAM.” DAM will leave (and this is not long to wait!) ... then more serious measures will be taken for Serdyukov and a number of other officials ... close in spirit to our prime minister.
      1. Airman
        Airman 22 August 2013 11: 51 New
        +6
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        ... while the GDP still has to reckon with the liberal political-economic "group" LADIES that has gained some strength. The LADY will leave (and this is not long to wait!) ... then more serious measures will be taken against Serdyukov and a number of other officials ... close in spirit to our prime minister.

        About the resignation of DAM, there has been talk in the media for a long time, but .... things are still there.
      2. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 18: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Serdyukov (as the son-in-law of a close friend and like-minded GDP - Zubkov, and therefore his own and faithful) was appointed to the post of Moscow Region on the eve of the departure of GDP to the premieres ... as a guarantee that the Army and Navy will not allow the rise and strengthening of the DAMA clan in a new place


        Quote: KazaK Bo
        DAM will leave (and this will not be long to wait!) ... then more serious measures will be taken for Serdyukov and a number of other officials ... close in spirit to our prime minister.


        do you think Boris, if Serdyukov was appointed in order to prevent the DAM clan from taking power, how can you explain the fact that after DAM leaves, the GDP will put Serdyukov? Does it not seem to you that the GDP itself is behind Serdyukov?
      3. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 25 February 2017 16: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: KazaK Bo
        Quote: koni
        Until the thief and traitor Serdyukov are imprisoned

        Serdyukov (as the son-in-law of a close friend and like-minded GDP - Zubkov, and therefore his own and faithful) was appointed to the post of Moscow Region on the eve of the departure of GDP to the premieres ... as a guarantee that the Army and Navy will not allow the rise and strengthening of the DAMA clan in a new place. In the course of his housekeeping in the Ministry of Defense, Serdyukov began to “grab” everything that is bad (and even good). The Accounts Chamber ... FSB ... a number of other control bodies clearly reported on this to the SUPREME CHIEF COMMANDER - LADY. But the latter was silent and lowered all the "tricks" of Serdyukov on the brakes. By this, he practically dragged the “prankster" - the head of Moscow Region, to his side! But DAM did not calculate the real strength of GDP! And, despite the numerous hints of DAM to the leaders of the leading countries of the WEST, about the readiness to "continue to rule the country, which has repeatedly sounded in an interview with Western media ... he was pushed a notch ... bye! And Serdyukov ... for the attempt to “change the roof” was quickly sent to WITNESSES, too - for now (this “crucian” remained on the hook) ... we still have to reckon with the GDP, which has gained some strength, the liberal political and economic “DAM.” DAM will leave (and this is not long to wait!) ... then more serious measures will be taken for Serdyukov and a number of other officials ... close in spirit to our prime minister.

        With your lips, yes, you can drink honey, but so far there are no signs that the situation may change in the near future, because the people are silent, which is just the right thing, because in the absence of organizing patriotic power, any spontaneous actions can only be in the hands of enemies, the result will be unequivocally equal to the Kiev Maidan.
        1. Ka2
          Ka2 24 July 2017 10: 03 New
          0
          What could be an alternative patriotic power?
          All dissent immediately gets a stigma: an agent of the State Department, a liberalist, a traitor, etc. Including on TV, and on the radio, and on the Internet and on topwar.
    5. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 10: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: koni
      Until the thief and traitor Serdyukov are imprisoned, while the thief, cynic, and enemy of Russia Chubais is invulnerable, until anti-people decisions are made by washing, they will not trust the authorities. the economy of the Far East.

      Who will put them in prison? After all, they are now the "PEOPLE'S FRONT", but they are so far from the PEOPLE that they start saving the budget with the people, and not with themselves, because everything is not enough for them.
    6. Uhe
      Uhe 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
      +5
      He is a thief for you, but for the people who put him in this place, he is quite an excellent performer, fully coping with his task. They were removed only because the world situation and the internal situation in the country had changed. And who is to judge the intelligent executor who carried out the order? In this respect, the patron of the Furniture Maker is very honest. Until - until the situation changes again and the fire starts burning under his ass. Then he and the Furniture Maker will merge. This is the type of people from that department - late Andropov, that is, those on whom Gorbaty relied in his "perestroika".
    7. SPACE
      SPACE 22 August 2013 16: 19 New
      +1
      Quote: koni
      Until the thief and traitor Serdyukov are imprisoned, while the thief, cynic, and enemy of Russia Chubais is invulnerable, until anti-people decisions are made by washing, they will not trust the authorities. the economy of the Far East.

      Until the sun falls to the ground, until the rivers flow back ... Have you forgotten to add, who will do it?
  3. Nitarius
    Nitarius 22 August 2013 07: 35 New
    23
    every time you understand that they are ruining!
    After all, Sooner or later, Amer just come and shoot those who serve them here!
    Bastards.
    Whoever says that, and 37 years must be repeated for some
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 22 August 2013 07: 48 New
      22
      Quote: Nitarius
      Whoever says that, and 37 years must be repeated for some

      Without fail! Or are they embarrassed to apply the article and say "For treason to the HOMELAND!" Or is the Motherland out of fashion these days?
      1. almost demobil
        almost demobil 22 August 2013 08: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: Egoza
        Or is the Motherland not in fashion now?

        You yourself answered your question, for most of our leadership it is rhetorical.
        1. Ruswolf
          Ruswolf 22 August 2013 08: 24 New
          +1
          There is another suggestion:
          Upon entering the civil service conclude a contract for 5 years
          -year of prison (to be an example)
          three years work
          -year of prison (for work)

          and overpower everyone at the time of work in the barracks, and to work on foot!
          That's probably when the servants of the people will become - closer to the people!
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 22 August 2013 08: 23 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza
        Or is the Motherland not in fashion now?

        Just for many of our lawmakers can not decide where their homeland is.
      3. fedorovith
        fedorovith 22 August 2013 09: 30 New
        +3
        For them, the Motherland is where the ass is warmer, but in Russia they are on the "mowing" ..
      4. Airman
        Airman 22 August 2013 11: 57 New
        +3
        Quote: Egoza

        Without fail! Or are they embarrassed to apply the article and say "For treason to the HOMELAND!" Or is the Motherland out of fashion these days?

        If their homeland is not Russia, then what kind of treason can we talk about? They must be fought as invaders who seized power.
    2. Denis
      Denis 22 August 2013 10: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Nitarius
      Whoever says that, and 37 years must be repeated for some

      Empty hopes.
  4. Hauptmann emil
    Hauptmann emil 22 August 2013 07: 39 New
    +7
    It has long been clear to everyone that EdRo needs to be driven into the neck from the State Duma. Yes, and many officials, too. This has long been talked about at different levels, starting from the president, but things are still there. Is it really not clear, the official will not spread rot himself and deprive himself of such bonuses (kickbacks, etc.).
    1. mole
      mole 22 August 2013 11: 41 New
      +4
      You read the comments and it becomes clear that people have long known what measures need to be taken, what, whom and how to eradicate. You listen to the leaders and come to the conclusion that they don’t know!
      Already got this performance! am am am
  5. Sirocco
    Sirocco 22 August 2013 07: 51 New
    -2
    Meanwhile, at the end of last year, the Americans demanded that these developments be transferred to them for very good money.
    Well, how did our Amers pass on or not? or chatter one. Why didn’t they give Snowden back then? Why then are omnipotent Americans not hindering the revival of our aviation industry, and the entire military-industrial complex as a whole? After all, it is no secret that Russia is restoring its power, which is disadvantageous to the West. At the expense of America in our ranks I will say this: If my grandmother had a member, then she would be called grandfather. So with the article, they began for Serdyukov, the vice chairman, and ended up with the Americans who swore their GDP and the entire government. request
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 22 August 2013 09: 29 New
      +9
      Quote: Sirocco
      Well, how did our Amers pass on or not? or chatter one.

      Nonsense or not? The fact of the matter is that to us, the people, no one will tell the truth to the last ... when it's too late to "drink" Borjomi ".
      But not chatter:
      "The latest news, as I used to write, is a continuous parade of horrors for the layman. News of the rise in tariffs, the emergence of social norms and concentration camps tightly took us into the ring. No, funny openings of apartments that have, or have nothing to do with Navalny yet disguise such "trifles" as the project of the Ministry of Economic Development on the abolition of the division of land categories of Russia for their intended purpose (http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2254205), but not so quickly. The abolition of maternity capital since 2016, an increase in the retirement age, the shameful minimum wage in the Russian Federation is already normal. No anesthesia. "
      Ilya Gotsiridze 21.08.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX MSK.RU

      Is this not treason? On a par with Serdyukovschina.

      Quote: Sirocco
      and ended up with the Americans who swore their GDP and the entire government.

      Well, of course. HE, Putin, again not in the know ... him too - Led to mislead fellow laughing
      Once again ... crying

      And here's more news. Or so far only "ringing" - Shoigu turned to Putin with a proposal to introduce the Ministry of Emergencies into the Ministry of Defense. Fine?..

      And Ivashov, only respect. Unfortunately - only respect, not a state post. Ivashov is a statesman. Yes, and educated and competent. The last rarity today.
      1. military
        military 22 August 2013 10: 54 New
        10
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Well, of course. HE, Putin, again not in the know ... him too-LET'S MISLEADED

        "... ah, it is not difficult to deceive me, I AM glad to be deceived ..." wink hi
    2. bask
      bask 22 August 2013 10: 01 New
      12
      Quote: Sirocco
      led the oath of GDP and the entire government.

      This is the main thing Sirocco (I agree), the GDP code, will give the order to plant stools, he will sit.
      "" A thief should be in prison "" ZHIGLOV.

      Everything in the competence of GDP rest, just words.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 22 August 2013 12: 51 New
        +3
        it is impossible to call Vovan a fool. but does he really not see sho in Russia no longer measured by the people willing to "zhahnut" ????? or does he really consider himself immortal ?? what he wants ???
        1. military
          military 22 August 2013 12: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: stroporez
          or does he really consider himself immortal ??

          immortal in Russia alone ... koschey ... or already two? ...
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 22 August 2013 13: 01 New
            -1
            I was a little sealed ---- irreplaceable ... but at the expense of koshchei --- mot and does not claim, but behaves just like that ..........
            1. military
              military 22 August 2013 13: 11 New
              0
              so I judge by behavior ... and since he thinks himself "permanent", then his place is on the clock at the Mausoleum ... hi
            2. zvereok
              zvereok 22 August 2013 15: 07 New
              0
              How does the Immortality project, announced shortly before his election, not claim? It seems that in a year he should have given results ... Avatars are different, etc.
      2. little man
        little man 22 August 2013 13: 58 New
        +8
        And here is the prosecutor’s office
    3. military
      military 22 August 2013 10: 51 New
      12
      Quote: Sirocco
      Why didn’t they give Snowden back then?

      and who really needs him, this "bearer of super secrets"? ... don't you assume that we all became spectators of a well-prepared performance? ... we sit, nibble seeds and talk about how cool our helmsman "made" the American galley .. ... wink
      1. Asgard
        Asgard 22 August 2013 13: 14 New
        +6
        You see the root ....
        With Snowden is a play)))
        GDP played its role, or someone thinks that he just gave the Rothschilds 20% of Rosneft, sells oil to the Chinese for $ 50)) does not jail Serdyukov, because this is a cover for the collapse of the Army by the commander-in-chief himself ...

        Wait, everything has changed ...Friends in the "west" began to mortify "friend Vova" ..
        In Chicago they wanted to arrange a "byaka" for him - Vovik did not go there ...
        At the summit TROUSERS FSOs were shown who the "president of Russia" really is ...
        In Azerbadzhan .... for a whole week they pumped up the Minister of Defense with instructions, summoning him to the United States ... Vovik urgently gathered in Baku with Shoigu to "threaten Aliyev" ... that he knows everything !!! and as with Ssykashvili, it won't end with eating ties))))
        Therefore, it is necessary to strengthen the Collapsed Army, and that they came up with money)))
        wants to buy the loyalty of the Russian Man serving his homeland ...
  6. nokki
    nokki 22 August 2013 07: 55 New
    +3
    Quote: Nitarius
    After all, Sooner or later, Amer just come and shoot those who serve them here!


    I wonder how this (the servants of the devil) is said in the Gospel:


    44 Your father is the devil; and you want to fulfill the lusts of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning and did not stand in the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks his own, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
    (John 8: 44)


    1John.3: 8-10 Whoever commits sin is from the devil, because the devil sinned first. For
    for this reason the Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil. 9 Everyone born of God does not commit sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 The children of God and the children of the devil are recognized as follows: everyone who does not do the truth is not from God, nor does he love his brother.


    Simply put, you are right: in vain these idiots rely on their overseas masters, for those who are true servants of evil know neither good nor a feeling of gratitude. They are totally inclined to destroy everything around them, even themselves! And God himself indicated the earthly path of struggle with them, having set fire to Sodom and Gomorrah!
  7. Garrin
    Garrin 22 August 2013 07: 58 New
    +4
    Treason to the Motherland is not just corruption (nowhere without it, such a system has been created). But the facts of undermining the country's defense should be interpreted unequivocally as a betrayal of the Motherland.

    I do not completely agree with this thesis. Does corruption on an especially large scale not entail undermining the economy, and ultimately the country's defense capability? To equate all corrupt officials with traitors to the Motherland, as Zhirik will say, SIGNIFICANTLY! Otherwise, the end of this country.
  8. mirag2
    mirag2 22 August 2013 07: 59 New
    +4
    Serdyukov will not be imprisoned while Zubkov steers Gazprom.
    And then I don’t know, maybe in ten years, although it’s unlikely, the statute of limitations will pass.
    Serdyukov husband of Zubkov’s daughter.
    Zubkov, the head of Gazprom.
    1. mole
      mole 22 August 2013 11: 44 New
      +1
      And Gazprom is a national treasure, therefore? ....
      Sad! angry
      1. military
        military 22 August 2013 16: 58 New
        +2
        Quote: Mole
        And Gazprom is a national treasure, therefore? ....

        consequently, this well-fed boar is also ... an "asset" ... laughing
  9. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 August 2013 08: 08 New
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    e! Or they are embarrassed to apply the article and say "For treason to the HOMELAND!"

    But for them there is no ... truth, well, there is no truth for them, there is no "Motherland" hi
  10. Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 22 August 2013 08: 29 New
    +1
    And in Japan, even a hand can be cut off for corruption ... It would have been the same for us, raking off their paws so that they could no longer steal ... Castration is corrupt, so to speak.
    1. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 22 August 2013 09: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Sashkessss
      And in Japan, even a hand can be cut off for corruption

      This is done according to the laws of the Sharia court.
      With us, this is not possible by definition - you have seen it anywhere, or even better ... you can imagine that all the officials in the head office were DISABLED - WITHOUT HANDS! And the chef himself - WITHOUT HANDS and FEETS! How then will they take "sons and daughter debt" from the petitioner !?
      How many officials are there ... more than 3 million ... is that the number of people with disabilities will increase so much ... and they also need to pay a disability pension ... ???
      Bolivar, tfu, made a reservation ... The Ministry of Finance will not stand it! This is absolutely impossible!
      1. Sashkessss
        Sashkessss 22 August 2013 22: 36 New
        +1
        But it will be immediately obvious who has an unclean thought passed :) And to whom you won’t put it on your paw, because it is pierced. And after that it doesn’t cost them to become officials again - they didn’t deserve it. Let them receive disability benefits, which they themselves did in their offices. They will suffer a little and understand what they were.
  11. taseka
    taseka 22 August 2013 08: 57 New
    10
    So you will think about the repressions of 37, maybe it was then that Comrade Stalin said, "That's all amba, got the bastard!"
  12. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 August 2013 09: 12 New
    +3
    Quote: taseka
    So you will think about the repressions of 37, maybe it was then that Comrade Stalin said, "That's all amba, got the bastard!"

    Or maybe it's time to comrade Putin, Ah .... Tired of somehow ... yeah ... am
    1. fedorovith
      fedorovith 22 August 2013 09: 37 New
      +6
      You read and it becomes so sick of all this that I would be glad if I were 37 years old.
    2. military
      military 22 August 2013 12: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: Valery Neonov
      Or maybe it's time to comrade Putin, Ah .... Tired of somehow ... yeah ...

      It’s time for a long time ... miles sorry ... but is he on the right or on the left? ...
  13. SvetoRus
    SvetoRus 22 August 2013 09: 39 New
    16
    If Serdyukov and Vasilyeva are the apotheosis of the fight against corruption, Gorbachev is not a traitor to the Motherland (by the decision of the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation), but a Chechen mosque is a symbol of Russia, then the repetition of 17 years is becoming inevitable. Moreover, it seems that we are intentionally led to this.
    1. taseka
      taseka 23 August 2013 06: 37 New
      0
      Quote: SvetoRus
      that we are intentionally led to this.

      Now let’s think who benefits from leading us to the 17 year, after which the country lost approximately 37 million people? But it's time to think about castling!
  14. Per se.
    Per se. 22 August 2013 09: 55 New
    +4
    Logically, from Serdyukov, stained in shit, all those in power should shy away and disown as if they were plague. But, this is not so, one asks why? By the same logic, who protects the disgraced Minister of Defense is a thief and a traitor himself ... Not to be afraid, becoming impudent to indecent, or, on the contrary, to be so afraid that they lost common sense from fear? Whatever it was, but one thing is certain, the "innocence" of Serdyukov is a big mistake of his patrons, which will undoubtedly have the most negative consequences for public opinion and the attitude of the army and people of Russia to those in power. Disgusting, all this.
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 10: 10 New
      +5
      The main trouble that exists today is the systematic elimination of the country's defense potential. It happens by the will of those who pushed through the Agreement on the Status of Forces, who allowed the NATO troops to move almost freely throughout our country. These influential forces in the leadership of the country today possess tremendous penetrating power. They pushed Serdyukov to the post of minister, they gave him a blank check for the theft and the destruction of the country's defense. But today they do not allow him to be imprisoned, because they are afraid of the judicial process, that he can name certain names, draw all the high-ranking forces with him, that they have been covering him all this time.
      We rejoice when we learn that our aircraft will receive or have received dozens of aircraft, although we know that hundreds are needed.
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
        +5
        Quote: Povshnik
        They pushed Serdyukov to the post of minister, they gave him carte blanche for theft and the destruction of the country's defense. But today they’re not letting him plant,
        But we have the Constitution, the Law, and their guarantor - the PRESIDENT. This is the main thing, and if it does not work, or if it works against the army, the people and Russia as a whole, then "the grenades of the wrong system" ...
        1. Airman
          Airman 22 August 2013 12: 02 New
          +5
          Quote: Per se.
          But we have the Constitution, the Law, and their guarantor - the PRESIDENT. This is the main thing, and if it does not work, or if it works against the army, the people and Russia as a whole, then "the grenades of the wrong system" ...

          In general, our "SYSTEM" is not the same.
        2. military
          military 22 August 2013 13: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Per se.
          But, we have the Constitution, the Law, and their guarantor, - the PRESIDENT.

          and the key word here is "THEM" ... hi
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 22 August 2013 12: 58 New
      +2
      Quote: Per se.
      Logically, from Serdyukov stained in shit, all those in power should shy away and disown, as if from a plague.
      --- at when there is a concept of HONOR. and HONOR and "Russian power" ----- concepts are antagonistic
  15. Russ69
    Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 11 New
    0
    Yesterday there was a small interview with a lawyer like Taburetkin. He says that the investigation under him is digging hard, trying to find reinforced concrete arguments. And in the opinion of the lawyer, what’s going on is what they will put in, at least there is a desire.
    Opinion of course, but still ...
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 22 August 2013 11: 21 New
      +4
      Quote: Russ69
      He says that the investigation under him is digging hard, trying to find reinforced concrete arguments.

      Common lawyer verbiage. There are already reinforced concrete arguments for execution without trial.
  16. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 August 2013 10: 27 New
    +1
    Our hehe deeply respected DAM already spoke about the activities of SERDYUKOV in a positive way, following the logic, we must think that he is the one who protects Serdyukov.
    I imagine, DAM calls a certain X-VOV on TABURETKINA people come running what to do?
    Vova - he let our man live (in the mind-Piglet must be fed for slaughter).
  17. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 22 August 2013 10: 30 New
    +2
    Serdyukov is an indicator of power ... on whose side is she ....... if Stouretkin is put in prison, then the power is ours and honor and praise to her, and if left free, then the power is controlled by the "Committee of 300" and therefore not ours ... . draw conclusions
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 11: 21 New
      +6
      Quote: Grigorich 1962
      Serdyukov is an indicator of power ... on whose side is she ....... if Stouretkin is put in prison, then the power is ours and honor and praise to her, and if left free, then the power is controlled by the "Committee of 300" and therefore not ours ... . draw conclusions

      So the conclusions have already been made. The Prosecutor General's Office said that Serdyukov's harem had misled him, lost between his family and Vasilyeva.
  18. Constantine
    Constantine 22 August 2013 11: 17 New
    0
    It is believed that the main character of the film "Giveaway Game" is the main trump card of the invaders. smile

  19. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 22 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +3
    REMEMBER 2 MARCH 2012
    Presidential candidate Vladimir Putin met with the editors-in-chief of major global media outlets.
    The meeting was attended by the chief editors of the Japanese newspaper "Asahi Shimbun" Yesibumi Wakamiya, French Le Monde Sylvie Kauffmann, Italian La Repubblica Ezio Mauro, Canadian Globe and Mail John Stackhouse, British The Times James Harding and German Handelsblatt Gabor Steingart. Answering journalists' questions, the Prime Minister and the presidential candidate made some interesting statements.

    About the future premiership of Dmitry Medvedev

    Vladimir Putin again explained to media representatives why he, and not Dmitry Medvedev, is running for president of Russia:

    “The fact is that during all these four years the rating of your humble servant has always been slightly higher,” Vladimir Putin said. And he explained why: over the two terms of his presidency in the country "the number of the poor has halved, the level of income of the population has grown 2,4 times in real terms."

    Also, once again, the presidential candidate confirmed that if he wins the election, he will certainly offer Medvedev the post of prime minister:

    "The proposal to Medvedev to head the government is due, among other things, to the fact that he himself initiated a number of positive processes - both in the economy and in the sphere of political transformations, the strengthening of democracy in the country. Our agreement on such a distribution of powers is not only a desire to sit in power, but also a desire to continue the reforms that have been started. "
    On the fight against corruption

    Vladimir Putin promised that if he is elected president of the Russian Federation, he will definitely continue to encourage public anti-corruption initiatives. At the same time, he rather harshly expressed his attitude towards those who publicly expose the current corruption schemes, in particular, towards the well-known blogger Alexei Navalny. The incumbent prime minister said: "The fighters against corruption apparently prefer not to work in the executive bodies in order to avoid temptation."
    (AND WHO WILL ALLOW IT?)


    Political scientist, leading researcher at the Institute for System Analysis of the Russian Academy of Sciences Andrei Piontkovsky, at the request of Radio Liberty, shared his impressions of the meeting between Vladimir Putin and journalists.

    - What did you especially pay attention to?

    - My favorite phrase in this interview: "I don't know if I want to sit for more than 20 years." Very ambiguous and very significant. Although the conversation itself was aimed at a foreign audience, there were many issues of international politics, but I was more hooked on Mr Putin's reasoning that corruption, oligarchs are all in the past, the legacy of the damned 90s. They say that nothing of the kind happened under his rule, since the base of abuse was eliminated - the merger of power and business. A rather controversial statement in the mouth of a man whom his colleagues in the Ozero cooperative, all of whom have become billionaires over the past 20 years, are calling in a friendly circle "Mikhail Ivanovich". We all know how the Kovalchuk brothers became billionaires. So a lie sounded, which is designed only for the millions of readers of foreign newspapers, from whom they want to make, as Vladimir Ilyich Lenin used to say, "useful bourgeois idiots."
  20. Des10
    Des10 22 August 2013 11: 39 New
    +4
    Spot from Serdyukov and on DAM, and on GDP. To plant Serdyukov means to spit on these leaders, and this is blasphemy!
    Without drastic measures, nothing will change, and this is a completely different story.
  21. Druid
    Druid 22 August 2013 11: 44 New
    +5
    Quote: Hauptmann Emil
    It has long been clear to everyone that EdRo needs to be driven into the neck from the State Duma. Yes, and many officials, too. This has long been talked about at various levels from the president,
    What kind of President, the USA or what? The Russian on this hacker drove into the Kremlin for another 10 years ...

    Quote: SvetoRus
    If Serdyukov with Vasilyeva, this is the apotheosis of the fight against corruption
    The usual household, only on an all-Russian scale. Tolik, having received Tolechka at the expense of his father-in-law, St. Petersburg accomplice Putin, the chair of the Minister of Defense, began to bastard fool with his fifa classmates, the usual complex, there was no one at school, apparently they didn’t, but here the MINISTER. Of course, Tolik’s father-in-law has a daughter, Vova, the father of two daughters, knows how to misunderstand a Kent accomplice, it’s a shame for his daughter ... So they put the brother-in-law in place, along with his maidens, showed a stiff place, and half of Russia is the US, etc. looking, ordinary thieves' gang, ordinary household.
    Sorry, for the syllable, but the literary will not work, obscene suggests itself, and the moderators will wipe it.


    The fact that Poghosyan is odd in Russian aviation is not news, he is rowing for himself, so he will definitely bury the MiG meet. As a result, they will give birth to a forgotten project of a light single-engine Su, the same General Levashov forgot to mention that those 70% of light destroyers are single-engine, F-16 for example, so Poghosyan will justify everything with the same statistics.
    1. Hauptmann emil
      Hauptmann emil 22 August 2013 12: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Druid
      Quote: Hauptmann Emil
      It has long been clear to everyone that EdRo needs to be driven into the neck from the State Duma. Yes, and many officials, too. This has long been talked about at various levels, ranging from the president, what kind of president, the USA or what? The Russian on this hacker drove into the Kremlin for another 10 years ...

      I meant what the president said about the fight against corruption. Although probably almost the entire State Duma should be dispersed. Remember the same Gudkovs from "opposition" "fair" Russia.
  22. USNik
    USNik 22 August 2013 11: 54 New
    +2
    GDP must make a decision, or plant an outright thief (which will result in support) or release (which will have a negative effect). Although it is possible to apply a "cunning plan" - to release SerDyukov for treatment to go to Britain, and there he will suddenly ask for political asylum, and the Russian Themis, in the best traditions of the Moscow Art Theater, will demand the extradition of the embezzler back but receive proud refusals. It is beneficial to everyone - the party in power is all in white and the foggy albion, as always, is not Dartagnan. winked
  23. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 22 August 2013 12: 07 New
    +1
    Brrr ... imprisoned for life ... no ... or alone without the right to visit, the law of correspondence in size 3a2 (including toilet (hole in the floor) and bed (iron, do not break, do not break)) or shoot. Nefig spend money on such people. And then they will plant (if) then of course - there will be a golden toilet, a mahogany bed, and mansions such that Obromovich did not dream of and a harem for 100 people ...
    1. military
      military 22 August 2013 17: 32 New
      0
      Quote: ShadowCat
      including toilet (hole in the floor)

      ... why do they need a hole? ... do not shit at the corners ... what
  24. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 22 August 2013 12: 43 New
    +3
    I will tell you frankly: we all understand perfectly well why Serdyukov and his slut were not imprisoned and who exactly covers the thief, as he covered all the last years.
  25. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 22 August 2013 12: 48 New
    +6
    "Serdyukov is the flesh of the flesh of today's corruption system, rowing money on cuts and kickbacks," Gennady Gudkov, ex-deputy of the State Duma, colonel of the FSB in reserve, told AiF. -I am sure that the ex-minister, despite all the new revealed facts of violations , “they will not surrender.” After all, his services to the authorities will allow him to avoid punishment. Otherwise, a “domino effect” may arise when many others follow one convicted high-ranking official. "
    "AiF" No. 34 dated 21-27.08.2013

    THE MINISTER SHOULD NOT SIT?
  26. ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 22 August 2013 13: 27 New
    +2
    He cannot be planted; he knows a lot. Accident only
  27. Vtel
    Vtel 22 August 2013 15: 09 New
    +2
    In Russia, the liberal-corruption system is now and therefore they will not hand over their well-fed ones because they themselves are in the cannon and why do they all have Ok !, chop the bitch ..., bite them on you, now it's not the 37th. One hope for the Lord God is that he will enlighten us and that something will change for the better, but it’s not yet clear.

    - Living, as they say, is good.
    - A good life is even better!

    You have not justified the high trust you have shown.
    - Unable to work.
    - You give unrealistic plans.
    - It's like him? Voluntarism!
    - In my house - do not express yourself!

    - No need to hurry ... It is necessary to return a full-fledged person to society!

    - Errors must not be recognized. They must be washed off. BLOOD!

    - Don’t worry, they’ll change your clothes in the morgue!

    - As they say, "Memento mori"!
    - Instantly.
    - In the sea!

    “I now have two ways out of this house: either I take her to the registry office, or she leads me to the prosecutor.”

    - What a bastard, bastard, the amoral type is simple!

    - Bambarmia! Kirgoudou!
    - What did he say?
    - He said that if you refuse, they will kill you ... Joke.

    - The one who bothers us will help us.

    - Yes, we still badly educate our youth!

    - A woman is a friend of man!

    - Get up! The court is coming!
    - Long live our court, the most humane court in the world!
    - Please sit down. Sit down, sit down ...
    - Thank you, I will stand.

  28. Vtel
    Vtel 22 August 2013 15: 12 New
    +2
    He knows a louse whose fat was eating.
  29. Magadan
    Magadan 22 August 2013 15: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: SvetoRus
    the repetition of the 17th year is becoming inevitable. Moreover, there is a feeling that we are intentionally led to this.

    So that’s the problem ... And we know that from all these revolutions only the most complete bastard wins! They sit there with gray mice for the time being, and then somehow abruptly emerge among revolutionaries and warm their hands on blood ...
    There was one exception - the year 1612 ... Personally, I am against sudden movements, but with both hands in order to spread rot every single one. For example, going out and stupidly relentlessly demanding Smerdyakova’s life sentence with his woman’s battalion. Well, this is purely for example.
  30. IOwTZ
    IOwTZ 22 August 2013 16: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: kris
    the fish rots from the head ! Putin’s cover allows the stool to “put” on all prosecutors, and on everyone else!


    Interesting audience on this site. It seems that the majority defends Putin, and at the same time they write that he is covering the stool and this comment is gaining a bunch of pluses.
    1. Vtel
      Vtel 22 August 2013 16: 40 New
      0
      And this is the bitter truth.

      Mind does not understand Russia,
      No yardstick to measure:
      She has a special feature -
      You can only believe in Russia.

      F.I. Tyutchev,
    2. Internal combustion engine
      Internal combustion engine 22 August 2013 16: 50 New
      +1
      You have noticed this correctly. However, such an "audience" is now all over the country. They curse the authorities for all their sins, and at the elections they obediently and reverently vote for the guarantor of Putin's preservation of this power.
  31. Just Vasilich
    Just Vasilich 22 August 2013 17: 53 New
    +3
    Leonid Ivashov has changed a lot since the presidential election. Then he put forward his candidacy in the elections as an alternative to Putin, and did not hesitate to criticize Putin as the head with which the fish begins to rot.

    Now he has shifted the emphasis of his criticism from the king to his retinue: Putin seems to be doing fine, he is trying, but his entourage and the dark forces around him are to blame for all sins ...

    And so not only Ivashov has changed, most of the members of the Izborsk Club, which united the opposition-patriots, now they say exactly the same.
  32. drummer 2013
    drummer 2013 22 August 2013 18: 06 New
    0
    Well, I do not believe that the main defendants will suffer. In the best cases, they will punish small bipod who did not have time to escape.
  33. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 22 August 2013 18: 36 New
    0
    ... influential forces in the country's leadership today have tremendous penetrative power. They pushed Serdyukov to the post of minister, they gave him carte blanche for theft and the destruction of the country's defense. But today they do not allow him to be imprisoned, because they are afraid of a lawsuit that he may name certain names, pull all the high-ranking forces behind him that have been covering him all this time.


    "Influential forces" are strong as long as they are recognized as such.
    Isn't it time for the president to take the "influential forces" for Faberge and prove that we have no inviolable ones? If he himself is weak in the knees, let him turn to the people, create an Extraordinary Commission to combat traitors, corrupt officials, thieves, saboteurs and saboteurs, and give him a heavy working fist in the brazen red face.
  34. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 22 August 2013 18: 46 New
    0
    Everyone in the country knows that the Great Theft Witness in the Ministry of Defense - the BOP - and his place in prison, but corruption in the highest echelons of power is such that this seasoned fraudster is at large and enjoys the benefits of the kidnapped.
  35. tank64rus
    tank64rus 22 August 2013 19: 15 New
    0
    It seems that Russia is again being pushed to revolution. Already the lower classes do not want to live such a life, and the upper circles cannot stop in corruption and theft. Great shocks again.
    1. denn
      denn 22 August 2013 19: 51 New
      -2
      There is no impression, here the opposition directly warns about this. They will not calm down until they make a 100% puppet state from Russia, which dared in 2000. start an independent policy. Everything is simple and ordinary. Nothing new.
  36. Roman_999
    Roman_999 22 August 2013 19: 30 New
    0
    Do not give to plant !? so put together, let them sit together - together committed together and keep the answer.
  37. Budilnik
    Budilnik 22 August 2013 19: 37 New
    0
    Ivashova for the presidency!
  38. aud13
    aud13 22 August 2013 20: 42 New
    +1
    Quote: Des10
    Spot from Serdyukov and on DAM, and on GDP. To plant Serdyukov means to spit on these leaders, and this is blasphemy! Without drastic measures, nothing will change, and this is a completely different story.


    Yes unfortunately...
    And therefore, in order to imitate the fight against corruption, we carry out diversionary maneuvers in search of "corrupt officials".
    Video topic:
  39. Evgenijus
    Evgenijus 21 October 2016 19: 15 New
    +1
    Serdyukov knows a lot about the entourage of the President, about the ministers, about the Duma deputies. Therefore, on horseback. They will not put him under any circumstances, unless an accident happens ...
  40. Rablampy
    Rablampy 22 October 2016 22: 47 New
    0
    Like the shadow command in the Pentagon, which bred IS and Al-Qaeda, the leadership of the Russian Federation and the Republic of Armenia can also include oligarch people, corrupt officials, pursuing their own private policies (trochas for sebe), as an example, Serdyukov and K *, or other governors, not counting that weaken the Russian Federation and the Russian Army, in this
    all states are similar. As a result, the stronger and more effective ones will win. everywhere Dimacocracy.
  41. NMDzAM
    NMDzAM 25 October 2016 11: 27 New
    0
    All the troubles of Russia from the betrayal of power.
    It is necessary to cleanse Russia from the fifth column, primarily in the government. Thieves in government get covered. It is not external enemies who are terrible, we will somehow wrestle ourselves from them, the leaders who ruin the country are worse than their fools.
    If our "wise" officials invested more in their country, then Russia would not fall into such dependence on foreigners. We have not mastered half of the country. What, it is impossible to build a nuclear power plant on its territory, and supply electricity for export? You can turn off the tap at any time. Maybe all the villages in Russia have already been supplied with gas, or is gasoline getting cheaper? How many roads and factories do you need to build in Russia?
    All these Russian "oligarchs" who obtained public property fraudulently continue to rob the country with the connivance of the authorities.
  42. taseka
    taseka 26 October 2016 04: 45 New
    0
    And where are the angry statements of the RF Ministry of Defense- about the inadmissibility of the collapse of the country's military-industrial complex?
  43. Serge Serdyukov
    Serge Serdyukov 26 October 2016 20: 08 New
    0
    this senile old man decided to PR again on my father. so, what I would like to say to this character Ivashov, he can quack as much as he wants, and my dad as he was the leader of the first magnitude remains, and this type and everyone who is dissatisfied there just can write his next powerless vyser on the Internet and go on !
  44. japs
    japs 28 October 2016 15: 10 New
    +3
    Capitalism. It is time, finally, to recall the classics of philosophy ...
  45. Massimo
    Massimo 28 October 2016 16: 53 New
    +1
    Serdyukov and with him the same forehead grease with greens.
  46. Sibstrelok
    Sibstrelok 3 November 2016 16: 34 New
    0
    It is very strange, but at the time when import substitution and rearmament of the army and the air forces was announced by the order of ROSTEKh, the Irkutsk NIAT (Scientific Institute of Aviation Technology) was closed, the institute survived without state funding in the most difficult years of perestroika, the wild 90s and zero. he survived solely on contractual work for aircraft and rocketry enterprises, took up jobs for the railway in the construction industry and the automotive industry, but as a result of a competition for the replacement of the director of the institute held by ROSTEKH, a Muscovite who managed the institute from Moscow was appointed director yes yes !!! remotely by phone and email !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a result of such leadership, the institute formed salary and tax debts, and accounts were seized.
    As a result, an order was issued to suspend production activities and lease premises. Rostec has allocated a loan to pay off debts to the budget and wages.
    All the curtain, it is not possible to return the loan funds on rental payments!
    The team of scientists and production workers of the pilot production will be irretrievably lost, the archives of scientific developments are lost. NIAT technological developments and manufactured technological equipment for many enterprises in the aviation industry, now it is no longer !!!
    And this is at the moment when the state got money for the re-equipment of the aerospace forces and civil aviation!
    The fifth column in action. and the worst thing is that she is in power corridors.
    Saws budget funds, destroys healthcare, education, science.
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 18 November 2016 18: 42 New
      +1
      Well, an article about Serdyukov. Is he guilty of this? Shoigu? Yes, not one of them personally.
      But the guys from the "perestroyka" club, these are just the heads of Rostec, Rosnano, similar offices. They were finally able to reach.
  47. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 6 January 2017 10: 38 New
    +1
    From all that has been said, we can conclude that VVP and its entourage know about subversive activities against Russia and its Army, traitors entrenched in the top, but they do not want or cannot do anything ?! It turns out that all these loud statements are actually another "drum" aimed at powdering our brains ??? And in the end, it turns out that all the talk that "... we are now 37 years old" is a simple cover for the forces that are actually destroying Russia and its people! God forbid that the PEOPLE do not start "showdowns" themselves, and the "Russian rebellion-senseless and merciless" will not spare anyone, it looks like they are trying to organize the forces entrenched at the top, but after all, VVP and its associates should have understanding and really they must fight this evil!
    1. MaksoMelan
      MaksoMelan April 16 2017 09: 56 New
      0
      I’ll think that if we really had 37 now, the innocent would suffer more. Considering how processes are created to squeeze out businesses and similar falsifying cases.
  48. Sergey824
    Sergey824 6 March 2017 09: 51 New
    +1
    Any, I repeat, any bribe taker from the head of the district and above is a state traitor, because by its actions it undermines the foundation - the faith of people in our state, and must be sentenced to a life term! In Germany, they give such a term for road racing, but they remove, transfer, and resign from our place because of "loss of confidence." Are you laughing there!
  49. bsk_una
    bsk_una April 12 2017 07: 53 New
    0
    Mr. Ivashov! Why do you walk around and around? What, it cannot be said who breaks the punishment of such monsters as Serdyukov and K. This is the reason: all who speak openly put their heads together. And this indicates the responsibility of the country's leadership. It is permissible for them. Criminal authority has been created: from the Cabinet to local officials.
  50. MaksoMelan
    MaksoMelan April 16 2017 09: 52 New
    0
    Where can the legs grow. Not really has a topic for the article. Hurry to the collapse of the USSR and the arrival of Chubais and these reforms. And the arrival of Serdyukov fits into this structure. The same person as Chubais and Co. http://samlib.ru/s/sks/222.shtml
    1. lucien
      lucien 10 November 2017 17: 33 New
      0
      Kingdom of Heaven Serdyukov. Let the earth rest in peace.