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America leaves - Putin enters the game ("The National Interest", USA)

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America leaves - Putin enters the game ("The National Interest", USA)For the first time in his third term, Russian President Vladimir Putin visited Azerbaijan. In the future, the former Soviet republic may well take the leading position in the South Caucasus, and Putin’s visit was another attempt to demonstrate to Washington that today the zone of Russian “privileged interests” covers almost all former Soviet republics with the exception of the Baltic countries.


Since 2008, the United States has managed to significantly reduce its presence in the post-Soviet space. And this space has almost completely passed under the influence of Russia in all areas, except for transit routes to Afghanistan, which will cease to exist after the 2014 year. Meanwhile, Russia gladly filled the vacuum that Washington left behind.

On August 13, Putin arrived in Baku along with two Russian warships and a large delegation of ministers and business leaders. Among them were Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Energy Minister Alexander Novak, Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov, Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov, Economy Minister Alexei Ulyukayev and Igor Bratchikov, Head of the Russian delegation at the multilateral negotiations on the Caspian Sea. The delegation also included heads of major Russian companies, including Rosoboronexport head Anatoly Isaikin, head of Rosneft Igor Sechin, and head of Lukoil Vagit Alekperov.

Putin’s visit took place just two months before the presidential election in Azerbaijan. Putin could hardly have chosen a more opportune moment to publicly support President Ilham Aliyev and try to strengthen ties between the two states.

But, most likely, Putin had no other choice. The stability of the situation in the South Caucasus and, thus, in Central Asia depends on the stability in Azerbaijan. Russia regards the presidency of Aliyev as a continuation of the course outlined by his father, Heydar Aliyev, who has a rather warm relationship with Putin. Azerbaijan continues to develop partnerships with Russia, while avoiding entry into a full-fledged alliance. And his sworn enemy Armenia does the same.

Putin and Ilham Aliyev have close friendships. And Russia's inability to offer a competitive opposition candidate instead of Oscar winner and Russian citizen Rustam Ibrahimbekov guarantees Aliyev to win the presidential election.

On the whole, Putin is quite satisfied with this outcome, since Moscow prefers to continue developing bilateral economic cooperation, while Baku is gradually moving closer to Ankara, Brussels and Washington.

Nevertheless, Russia has not yet managed to convince Azerbaijan to join its economic and military-political structures, such as the Eurasian Economic Union, the Customs Union, the Eurasian Economic Community and the CSTO, despite the fact that discussions on this occasion from time to time are held .

The problem is that the White House and the State Department are showing less and less interest in the post-Soviet space, which will also be facilitated by the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Moscow and Baku are closely cooperating with each other within the framework of the Black Sea Economic Cooperation Organization. Azerbaijan is Russia's largest trading partner in the South Caucasus, which in 2012 delivered a billion cubic meters of gas to 1,5 in Gazprom. It is obvious that the leaders of the two states had something to talk about, especially considering that the Russian delegation included oil magnates Sechin and Alekperov.

At present, Russia is concerned that Azerbaijan continues to gain weight as an independent exporter of energy carriers and a transit point for the supply of energy resources from Central Asia to Europe. Moscow has long been accustomed to the fact that Russia is the main supplier of oil and gas to European markets.

Nevertheless, Russia is striving to snatch a piece of unexpected energy luck from Azerbaijan. The Russian oil giant Rosneft is showing its interest in participating in the Absheron gas project. This will help Rosneft to enter the lucrative European gas market as a competitor of another Russian giant, Gazprom. During the visit of the Russian delegation to Baku, the heads of the Russian and Azerbaijani oil companies, Sechin from Rosneft and Abdullayev from SOCAR, signed an agreement on cooperation in the field of energy.

The Nagorno-Karabakh conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan remains the main stumbling block in relations between Baku and Moscow, but Putin’s visit did not lead to any changes on this issue. Putin reiterated that this dispute must be resolved by political means, and not by war. This was an unequivocal signal for Azerbaijan, whose military budget exceeds the state budget of Armenia. The potential of the Azerbaijani army continues to grow due to profits from the sale of energy resources.

The Kremlin is not yet ready to discuss new initiatives and proposals aimed at resolving this long-standing conflict. This is largely due to the fact that Nagorno-Karabakh is the main guarantee of Russia's political and military presence in the South Caucasus.

During the presidency of Dmitry Medvedev, Russia actively acted as an intermediary in resolving this conflict, but by now the Kremlin has noticeably reduced the intensity of its efforts. This gives Washington the opportunity to strengthen relations with Azerbaijan and Armenia and to restore its position in the region.

The United States can take advantage of this situation by inviting Russia to cooperate in trying to find ways to solve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. Secretary of State John Kerry has repeatedly spoken about the need to find a way out of this conflict. Since the time of his senatorial activities, when he maintained close ties with the Armenian diaspora, he has particularly warm feelings towards Armenia.

However, the administration seems to have chosen to devote Kerry’s valuable time to solving more ambitious, complex, and protracted conflicts — conflicts in the Middle East. Unfortunately, this opens up a lot of prospects for Russia, which can now freely restore its influence in the South Caucasus.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 22 August 2013 15: 20
    21
    Yesterday infa called What is behind the next "trade war" between Moscow and Kiev broke all the records on the forum by the number of comments 508.It is interesting whether this topic will surpass yesterday’s record ?! wassat
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 22 August 2013 15: 26
      17
      Quote: Apollon
      .It is interesting whether this topic will surpass yesterday’s record ?!

      The main thing that would not become a champion in the speed of removal from the site wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 15: 49
        +6
        Quote: Ruslan67
        The main thing that would not become a champion in the speed of removal from the site

        Ruslan, Apollo hi Just approached and did not understand that there are prospects for removal? Everything will be a bunch wink
    2. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 22 August 2013 17: 28
      +7
      Conflicts must be resolved together peacefully, we are neighbors ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 43
        +5
        ShturmKGB
        onflicts must be resolved together peacefully, we are neighbors ...

        but we don’t have conflicts with \ Russia .. God forbid .. we have a conflict with your outpost. bad people from there. They climbed into our garden and grind their teeth))) and you would at least henna)))))) do not pull .... smile
    3. smile
      smile 22 August 2013 19: 50
      +5
      Apollo
      Hello!. And can I ask, in view of the fact that you have Azerbaijani identification marks, and besides, you have an enviable sanity.
      Do you think that you and Armenia can solve the Karabakh problem in general without a fight?
      Can’t you share this miserable Karabakh?
      Are some individuals from Armenia and Azerbaijan right who believe that this bickering is on hand, they say, when the problem is solved, then Russia will no longer be needed there?
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 22 August 2013 20: 02
        +7
        If I may express myself, first, who will agree to share his homeland? Secondly, Azerbaijan offers its citizens of Armenian nationality the broadest autonomy, including everything except foreign policy (which is natural), but they refuse.
      2. Apollo
        Apollo 22 August 2013 20: 14
        +8
        Quote: smile
        Hello

        Good evening Vladimir hi
        Quote: smile
        Do you think that you and Armenia can solve the Karabakh problem in general without a fight?


        it is possible, why not, but any conflict requires compromises, namely
        1. Withdrawal of all illegal armed formations from the territory of the former NKAR.
        2.Return of all refugees without exception to their places of residence before the conflict, regardless of nationality.
        3.recognition of the rule of law of Azerbaijan in the territory of the former NKAR.
        4. Providing the former NKAR with the widest autonomy that exists in world international practice.
        5. Liberation of illegally occupied territories adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh.
        6. Opening the transport corridor and all communications between Nagorno-Karabakh and Armenia.
        7. Conducting free elections in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
        8. The guarantee of future agreements should be made by all interested parties, including Russia and also, for example, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus.
        9. Withdrawal of regular formations of both Azerbaijan and Armenia from the line of contact of fire.
        this is an indicative list of settlement measures

        Azerbaijan is ready, is Armenia ready ?!
        I personally respect the territorial integrity of all states and would like reciprocity.

        Quote: smile
        Are some individuals from Armenia and Azerbaijan right who believe that this bickering is on hand, they say, when the problem is solved, then Russia will no longer be needed there


        not really, the war is beneficial to those who unleashed it.
        As for Azerbaijan, the republic that I represent has always advocated and stands for good-neighborly and fraternal relations with Russia. We are not to blame for being outside the CSTO and the TS. But we would like to.
        1. smile
          smile 22 August 2013 20: 45
          +5
          Apollo
          Thank you.
          But, it seems to me, Armenia will not agree to this, since these are unilateral concessions. The government will simply fly off. Yes, and those. who rules the NPO will not want to leave just like that ...
          And there is a flaw in your plan - after the return of all refugees and the restoration of the Azerbaijani legal field along with the withdrawal of troops ... who will ensure compliance with the laws? In any case, this is the entry of power units there. And it’s Azerbaijani (to peacekeepers, if they behave as the dogs should let the dogs down) ... to everything else, in any case there will be partisans who do not agree with anything ... without an army they cannot be picked out from there. ..yes and given the comments of your compatriots, one gets the impression that it is also possible to recall grievances ... etc.
          In general, it’s clear, it turns out, since you can’t divide it, without a fight you won’t solve anything there ... very bad ....
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 22 August 2013 20: 59
            +7
            Quote: smile
            Thank you.


            I’ll answer briefly: Azerbaijan and Armenia are doomed to live in the neighborhood, and we won’t go anywhere, we must look for compromises, Azerbaijan is ready but Armenia is not. But sooner or later Armenia will come to this, why yes because it simply has no other way.
            As for peacekeepers, but for God's sake, the contingent from the Russian, Belorussian, Ukrainian and Kazakhstani military is quite fine with me.
            As for my compatriots who are represented on the forum, then here everyone thinks for himself.
            1. smile
              smile 22 August 2013 21: 43
              +7
              Apollo
              I will answer even shorter.
              Yes, here you are right, Armenia will sooner or later compromise ... it simply has nowhere to go. the only question is. in what form will this happen.
              1. alone
                alone 22 August 2013 21: 49
                +5
                yes dear Vladimir, believe me, the sooner they understand this, the better it will be for them. The more they pull with this issue, it will be even worse for them
                1. Artmark
                  Artmark 22 August 2013 23: 07
                  -1
                  lol Likely you will destroy them all yes ?? God is judging everyone !!!
                  1. alone
                    alone 22 August 2013 23: 17
                    +3
                    Why destroy them? The economic situation is depressing, catastrophic migration, closed borders. Do you think this is good? If so, then continue to think the same
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 48
                    +5
                    Quote: ArtMark
                    You’ll probably destroy them all. Yes.


                    we now have about 30000 Armenians living ..... if you are horty to be sure, come, I will show you live Armenians with identification cards ...
        2. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 21: 24
          +6
          To disperse the Armenian army? what
          Quote: Apollon
          .Return of all refugees without exception to their places of residence before the conflict, regardless of nationality.
          A new Beria has not yet been born to load everyone in cars and send them to their destination. And voluntarily, the Petersburg registration for the NKAO, who the hell will change
          Quote: Apollon
          Granting to the former NKAR, the broadest autonomy

          Wider than the Vatican is unlikely to succeed
          Quote: Apollon
          liberation of illegally occupied territories adjacent to Nagorno-Karabakh.
          Well, without this, there’s nothing to talk about
          Quote: Apollon
          Conducting free elections in the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.
          5-7 years transition period
          Quote: Apollon
          .A guarantee of future agreements should be made by all interested parties, including Russia and also, for example, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus.
          Ukraine let it deal with its affairs
          Quote: Apollon
          Azerbaijan is ready, is Armenia ready ?!
          Horseradish, she’s ready to nibble - in this situation, she becomes an ordinary subject of international law But what about the universal grief disputed by the Jews? Well, that's about this view from St. Petersburg hi
        3. ed65b
          ed65b 23 August 2013 12: 02
          +1
          Quote: Apollon
          it’s not their fault that they were overboard the CSTO and the TS. But we would like to.

          Greetings. here in CSTO you definitely have nothing to do, the mountain gave birth to a mouse. And in the vehicle it would be good.
      3. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 20: 54
        +4
        would you share Chechnya with the militants?))))
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 21: 30
          11
          Quote: lonely
          would you share Chechnya with the militants?))))

          Easy! They are lying underground in white shoes. We commemorate them on top of their mother wassat
          1. alone
            alone 22 August 2013 21: 37
            0
            believe me! the time will come and we will do the same)))
          2. Aleks21
            Aleks21 22 August 2013 21: 47
            -4
            More like this:
            On chic becks, they cut through the streets of Moscow, shooting at passers-by and cops from injuries and not only. Huge mosques and stadiums are being built at home, not knowing what work is - reparations from the Russian Federation take place on time.
            And you - sit at the computer and consider yourself a winner ...
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 22 August 2013 21: 58
              +7
              Quote: Alex21
              cut through the streets of Moscow, shooting at passers-by and cops from injuries and not only

              In the year 95-96 they would try to shoot at cops in St. Petersburg belay Personally, I am not to blame for the fact that in the cops they began to take instead of the army and not after request
              Quote: Alex21
              Huge mosques and stadiums are being built at home, not knowing what work is -

              We know what work is and therefore for almost ten years they have not been able to finish the stadium that has already been
              Quote: Alex21
              And you - sit at the computer and consider yourself a winner ...

              And you sit at a computer and consider yourself a loser fool To each his own Location of the inscription in cast iron indicate?
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 51
              +5
              Quote: Alex21
              Departments from the Russian Federation take place on time.
              And you - sit at the computer and consider yourself a winner ...



              All the same, Ukraine will have to turn off gas ... smile
              and if they don’t send peacekeepers, we will turn off gasoline too ... wassat
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              2. Aleks21
                Aleks21 23 August 2013 01: 48
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                Quote: Alex21
                Departments from the Russian Federation take place on time.
                And you - sit at the computer and consider yourself a winner ...



                All the same, Ukraine will have to turn off gas ... smile
                and if they don’t send peacekeepers, we will turn off gasoline too ... wassat


                Let's attach a potbelly stove to the kitchen window, but we won't stop sarcasting about "greatness"!
                1. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 23 August 2013 01: 57
                  +2
                  Quote: Alex21
                  We attach a potbelly stove to the kitchen window,

                  And in the geyropu the first evening horse laughing
                  Quote: Alex21
                  but we will not stop sarcasting over "greatness"!

                  fool Or maybe you should think where it comes from and stop yapping because of a cooling potbelly stove.
        2. smile
          smile 22 August 2013 21: 50
          +6
          alone
          Have you noticed that it was in Chechnya that we compromised? Did you notice that those whom the Czechs did not cut out are not returned? The fact that there is a compromise in Chechnya ... I don’t really like it ... but the only alternative was the total thinning of the Chechens .... personally, I would not be able to do this and would not be done by others .. ..this is something like this.
          And to the direct question, the direct answer is NO. I would not share ... here you are right.
          1. alone
            alone 22 August 2013 22: 04
            +9
            this is not a compromise! The second company was distinguished from the first by the fact that some of the separatists did not want to be with the Wahhabis. And the GDP openly went to cooperate with the Kadyrovs.
            what came of it? silence in Chechnya, but impaired stability of the entire northern Caucasus. Beards are still running through the mountains. And Chechnya is a hole where huge finances disappear. Just check how much money is pledged to restore Chechnya and you will understand, for why it was necessary. yes, they would not divide it. rightly and I approve it. the loss of one subject will automatically disintegrate Russia into small particles. why should we fragment our country only because Armenians live there. Hundreds of peoples live in Russia. This does not mean that they should have independence. any citizen of his country, regardless of nationality, must obey the laws of the state. if he does not want to live according to the laws of the country, let him go and live where he feels good !!
      4. smersh70
        smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 45
        +9
        Quote: smile
        Can’t you share this miserable Karabakh?


        so give part of the Kuril Islands to Japan ... Kaliningrad to the Germans ... Part of Pskov to the Baltic states ....

        Quote: smile
        Do you think that you and Armenia can solve the Karabakh problem in general without a fight?


        stand aside for a week ... and everything will be decided in fairness laughing
        Quote: smile
        when the problem is solved, then Russia will no longer be needed there?


        the first time I agree with you ....
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 56
          10
          Quote: smersh70
          stand by for a week

          The exact place please: in which place to stand for a week, in Turkey or Iran and in what quantity bully
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 35
            0
            Quote: Ruslan67
            Turkey or Iran and in what quantity


            why go so far laughing Checkpoint 102 of the base with keys and when Ashot arrives with the words ... Brother, help .... the Azerbaijanis burnt their (or rather yours) Pinocchio and Tornadoes all our equipment and go on to release further ... ... then tell me-- - we have shells of the wrong caliber .. and that's it .... laughing
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 23 August 2013 00: 47
              +4
              Quote: smersh70
              Checkpoint 102 bases close with keys and when Ashot arrives

              This is when the Ashots arrived at the checkpoint? what And all the holes will not allow to hammer the damper angry Easier in Turkey or Iran wassat
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 01
                -2
                Quote: Ruslan67
                This is when the Ashots arrived at the checkpoint.


                yes always !!! in May 94, when the Armenians were advancing .. in the Ter-Tersky district .. for a day our gunners managed to hit 5-6 Armenian tanks in a day ... and then, as scouts approached them, it turned out that Recently, the Russian flag was painted over with the Armenian flag ...

                or ours recorded a dialogue - the Armenian chief ordered the Russian tankman to go to Barda .... in response, the tankman sent him 3 letters .. and said - my command ordered me to get to the Garvend line ... and then I can’t. . Make a deal with my superiors .. such things ... hi
                1. Gur
                  Gur 14 September 2013 16: 28
                  0
                  Good afternoon, dear. If you hint at Russian help to Armenia, you need to remember from whom help from yourself. The second to demand Karabakh is the same as Japan to demand the Kuril Islands, Georgia Ossetia, Serbia Croatia, Russia Crimea, you can give an infinite number of examples, although I think the latest historical there will be more reasons for you, but everyone understands that nothing will come of this. Yes, and Russia's bases are not in Azerbaijan, where NATO will appear more likely. I did not want to offend anyone to the world.
          2. Hort
            Hort 23 August 2013 08: 49
            +3
            better in Turkey, somewhere in Antalya or Alanya. There is the sea ... Yes, and one of our bolts there is almost more than the Turks laughing
  2. a52333
    a52333 22 August 2013 15: 22
    +1
    The US can take advantage of this situation by inviting Russia to cooperate in trying to find ways to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.
    It will be strong! It’ll start right away!
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 August 2013 15: 30
      20
      Before going directly to the topic, and it is called America is leaving, Putin enters the game, although it would be more logical to call it Obama leaves, Putin enters the game, I would like to make a small comparison between Putin and Obama.
      Comments would not be complete without this.

      So


      1. Manager
        Manager 22 August 2013 16: 13
        +6
        I would like to supplement it directly ..... Putin has a black judo belt, Obama is black .... simple.
    2. eplewke
      eplewke 22 August 2013 16: 13
      +6
      The United States simply does not have resources, not human, not monetary, for such a large region, and even near Russia. No one will give up without a fight, the time has passed for the Hunchback and EBN ...
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 22 August 2013 18: 10
        +5
        It has passed. Putin's time has come. Who knows, correct. Putin is a tension of moral, strong-willed and high-quality man-fisherman. Stand to the last, help the weakened and believe in the captain in returning to the port
  3. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 22 August 2013 15: 29
    13
    I did not notice that the United States left the post-Soviet space.
    But even so: no one has ever managed to sit on two chairs. Russia will not be able to establish good relations with Azerbaijan, maintaining such with Armenia. In addition, Armenia is a more reliable ally: surrounded by enemies, a small non-Muslim country is forced to "huddle" to Russia. Azerbaijan, on the other hand, is a completely independent and fairly wealthy entity. Yes, and a special friendship, except for a similar education through the KGB, Putin and Aliyev did not have.
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 August 2013 15: 37
      12
      Quote: serge-68-68
      Yes, and a special friendship


      In addition to friendship, there are geopolitical interests that connect and bring both countries together.

      Quote: serge-68-68
      besides a similar education from the KGB, Putin and Aliyev did not.


      winked
      With the late Heydar Aliyev, yes, but not with Ilham Aliyev, the latter graduated from MGIMO.
      1. S-200
        S-200 22 August 2013 16: 06
        +4
        Ilham is attractive to me, as a politician and a man are quite normal, calmly, competently doing his job. The country is flourishing! Good military-technical cooperation has been established. God forbid that economic and friendly ties between Russia and Azerbaijan be strengthened!
        Regarding the Karabakh problem, unfortunately, I don’t have a clear and unambiguous vision of resolving the problem ... BUT this should not be a prediction stone for the development of Russian-Azerbaijani relations.

        PS And if Putin accepted Ilham’s invitation and was a guest in his house, then this speaks of trust-friendly relations between the two leaders, which is very much appreciated in the modern corrupt world!
        PPS Putin is the master of his own words (and his country as well))), if he promises, then he does ...
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 22 August 2013 16: 21
          +9
          The title is incorrect. "America is leaving .." And America was not here! Of course, there were courtesy visits from both sides, but it did not come to serious conversations. And as for Sergei's statement about Russia's position (to sit on two chairs), then I agree. This cannot go on forever. It must be determined somehow.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 22 August 2013 18: 02
            +1
            Quote: xetai9977
            The title is incorrect. "America is leaving .." And America was not here! Of course there were courtesy visits from both sides, but it did not come to serious conversations.

            I agree. America has no specific interests for which it makes sense to fight for in the region. And abstract interests such as maintaining stability and containing radical Islam, oddly enough, coincide with Russia's interests. At the same time, Russia, by virtue of history and geography, is in a much better position to ensure these interests, so the best America can do in the region is not to climb and do not upset the existing balance.
            Another thing is that there can always be individuals like Mishiko in Georgia who can request America's help "to establish and consolidate democracy." Unfortunately, the word "democracy" affects the American leadership in about the same hypnotizing manner as the words "socialism" and "anti-imperialism" affected the Soviet. But I would like to hope that realism will not be sacrificed to ideology.
            1. smile
              smile 22 August 2013 20: 05
              +2
              Revolver
              The US considers us an adversary. It’s customary to counteract the enemy wherever possible and unfeasible .... during the Cold War it was ... something I did not notice fundamental changes in the actions of the United States ... so. a little bit in rhetoric and that’s all .... do you think there could be action for the United States simply to prevent the strengthening of Russia's influence in the region? Again, oil and its transportation routes ....
            2. vadson
              vadson 22 August 2013 21: 07
              +2
              there is no interest in the usa in the region, do not tell my slippers. The United States has one global interest - to be a world hegemon. and they will do everything they can to prevent the opposite. and Central Asia is a convenient territory for pressure on us. the question remains, will the Americans stay here or just leave, leaving behind a mess?
          2. smile
            smile 22 August 2013 19: 57
            +2
            xetai9977
            Well, how are we determined? We are good on both sides. Although, of course, Armenia is more friendly to us. To you a question, if not laziness answer:
            And what do we do?
            But is it impossible to divide this unhappy Karabakh?
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 22 August 2013 20: 28
              +8
              Vladimir, Homeland is not a bag of seeds to share it with someone. Everyone will be grateful to Russia if it simply remains neutral, that is, in fact, shows that it treats both countries equally.
              1. smile
                smile 22 August 2013 20: 52
                +5
                xetai9977
                You see ... we have interests in the region. Armenia is our ally there. Well, will we surrender the only ally in the region, so what? Okay. you say thank you to us twice and that’s it .. you will go on and continue to be friends with Turkey .... Armenia, of course, we’ll lose it, we’ll lose our bases ... plus our other allies will begin to scrutinize us closely about our betrayal and their .... it will be just a monstrous blow to us, our interests and authority .... and in return, your verbal gratitude .... it is almost the same as if you would forgive Karabakh and the territories adjoining it for the sake of good neighborly relations with Armenia. ... now put yourself in our place and reflect ....
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 07
                  +5
                  Vladimir, nothing threatens your base in Armenia. Where is Karabakh, and where is Gyumri? We will be friends with Turkey in any case, and with Russia we are ready and have always been ready to be friends very, very closely. But let me say that we cannot agree for you to return Karabakh, "because they will not understand us ....", this is called the AGGRESSOR DESTRUCTION. Immediately you remember Zheglov: “A THIEF SHOULD SIT IN PRISON.” Once you hapaesh foreign lands, then be ready for retribution.
                  1. smile
                    smile 22 August 2013 22: 00
                    +2
                    xetai9977
                    Do you think Armenia will be very happy for an ally. who betrays her? Long after that our base will live there?
                    Basically, you are logical ...
                    You offer us to leave the region ... to be absolutely infallible morally .... there you have it all. what would you like to see Russia ... :))))
                    okay, let's see, maybe you really will become better off if they squeeze us out of the region ...
                    and yet ... not wanting a universal hi, I never raised the question of Karabakh’s affiliation (captured at the same time, without question) ... I personally didn’t come to a definite conclusion .... but I’m far from sure that you are unconditionally right. ..fair....
                    1. alone
                      alone 22 August 2013 22: 16
                      +6
                      tell me, are we crazy to hit the Russian base in Armenia? we remember how one crazy man hit the peacekeepers base and what came of it))) we do not need Armenia, we need internationally recognized own territories. By the way, Russia also recognizes the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.
                      1. smile
                        smile 22 August 2013 23: 31
                        +3
                        alone
                        I didn’t even have a thought. what do you hit on our database - in FIG do you need it?
                        Just if we surrender Armenia. or force her to surrender to Karabakh, they will break the treaties with us about our presence there and that's it ... to me, anyway. it seems so....
                      2. alone
                        alone 22 August 2013 23: 41
                        +4
                        ))) I think they are already acting. Active work is being done in this direction.
                      3. xetai9977
                        xetai9977 23 August 2013 08: 47
                        +2
                        Do you think the loss of Armenia will really be a loss? On the contrary, save billions of dollars annually!
                  2. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 23 August 2013 08: 45
                    +2
                    Vladimir, about the fact that Karabakh belongs to Azerbaijan, even here, on the website, thousands of arguments were made, I won’t repeat myself. I will only say that ALL states of the world recognize Karabakh as Azerbaijan, including Russia.
              2. Artmark
                Artmark 22 August 2013 23: 19
                0
                Greetings, well, if you don’t like verbal thanks, you can thank them with oil for the purchase of weapons, etc., etc. ... I understand that everyone has their own interests
              3. smersh70
                smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 58
                +1
                Quote: smile
                We have interests in the region. Armenia is our ally there.


                interests are ensured by economic relations ... bases ... tanks ... tractors are all in the past ... and Armenia is not your ally - it just takes advantage of the relations that prevail in the Armenian diaspora with the EBN environment ... as in a joke about Chumadan- - hard to wear and sorry to quit ... laughing
          3. smersh70
            smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 16
            0
            Quote: smile
            Although, of course, Armenia is more friendly to us


            Vesti.Az interview with Alexey Sinitsin, chief expert of the US-Azerbaijan Progress Assistance Fund.
            Not only the media are in a state of euphoria, but also the Armenian political science community. I was literally struck by a major Armenian political scientist, the head of the Modus Vivendi center, Ara Papyan, who saw in these purchases a serious warning to Russia: “There are many arms sellers in the world, moreover, they give weapons cheaply and even for nothing. So, Russia should not think that the only supplier of weapons in the world can be. ” Previously, Armenian experts claimed that Russia, as a CSTO partner, supplies them with weapons at symbolic prices or even for free. Now the Chinese have fallen in love with the Armenians so much that they give them weapons for free ?! Does Beijing dream of winning the favor of Yerevan? This is already suggesting some kind of mental ill health of the Armenian expert.
      2. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 22 August 2013 17: 31
        +2
        S-200
        Quote: S-200

        PPS Putin is the master of his own words (and his country as well))), if he promises, then he fulfills ...


        Really?
        What a news..!
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 22 August 2013 16: 09
      +7
      Quote: Apollon
      In addition to friendship, there are geopolitical interests that connect and bring both countries together.

      Common geopolitical priorities? What kind? Let's think together.
      Yes, Azerbaijan will hold on to Russia as a guarantor of security in the Caspian.
      Yes, Russia is interested in stability in the Caucasus. But what opportunities does it have to resolve the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict?
      Alas and ah, besides my military presence in the region I do not see any other.
      Are relations with the countries of the Caucasus improving from this? There is no doubt with Armenia. With Azerbaijan? Great question mark.

      Apollon, answer me a purely hypothetical question. As we know, Turkey is a member of NATO member countries. It's no secret that the members of the NATO bloc are possible opponents of Russia.
      If there was a question of a choice between Russia and Turkey, which side would you lean on? I understand that the question is somewhat provocative. If you do not answer, I will understand. But still, the answer to it could explain a lot, at least for me personally, in the relations between Azerbaijan and Russia.
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 22 August 2013 16: 30
        +7
        Vladimir, I will answer from the outside that relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan do not depend on the political situation. They are our brothers.! We have a saying - a good friend is known in trouble. So, they ALWAYS were with us, both in trouble and in joy. But this does not mean that Russia is indifferent to us. We are connected with thousands of ties. It's just that the principle "neither you, nor me" does not contribute to the establishment of truly fraternal relations between us. No Azerbaijani will ever forget about Karabakh.
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 August 2013 16: 39
          +5
          Quote: xetai9977
          . They are our brothers.! We have a saying, a good friend is known in trouble. So, they were ALWAYS with us, and in trouble, and in joy.

          Quote: xetai9977
          Simply the principle "neither you, nor me" does not contribute to the establishment of truly fraternal relations between us. No Azerbaijani will ever forget about Karabakh.

          That is why I touched on this topic. Because consanguinity is paramount.
          1. xetai9977
            xetai9977 22 August 2013 16: 56
            +9
            Naturally. Do you think otherwise? You always write about Belarusians with warmth. So why can't we do this in relation to the Turks?
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 22 August 2013 17: 06
              +2
              Quote: xetai9977
              Naturally. Do you think otherwise?

              Of course not. This is exactly the answer that I wanted to hear and which begs itself.
              It follows from it that the common interests of Azerbaijan and Russia have a place to be and have the right to exist only as long as they meet or do not contradict Turkish-Azerbaijani interests.
              1. xetai9977
                xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 11
                +2
                And why should Azerbaijan choose between Turkey and Russia? We want to be friends with both.
                1. Allegedly
                  Allegedly 22 August 2013 17: 20
                  +5
                  Very often, in order to sit on two chairs - HAD TO SPREAD FEET
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 27
                    +7
                    JACKS User Sergey has already talked about countries trying to sit on two chairs
                2. Alexei
                  Alexei 22 August 2013 17: 30
                  +3
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  And why should Azerbaijan choose between Turkey and Russia?

                  Everyone friend? This does not happen.
                  Quote: xetai9977
                  Vladimir, I’ll answer from the outside that the relations between Turkey and Azerbaijan are not dependent on the political situation. They are our brothers.

                  Well, that's about your Karabakh left. The USSR chose the lesser of two evils. Of their friends, who are friends to everyone, they help most often the more devoted. And in politics, in general, the trouble, you have to think ahead. Now, if Karabakh remained with you, then Armenia would now be an ally so-so (worse than it is), and now you would certainly have a better attitude towards Russia, but still not "oh" how.
                  1. xetai9977
                    xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 46
                    -1
                    Nothing lasts forever under the moon. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. Despite everything, we are optimists. And I ask you not to confuse the concepts of "friend" and "brother". IF RUSSIA WILLS, then Azerbaijan will be her devoted friend. But friends are not attached to themselves through some unresolved conflict, while the Turks perceive us as we are, without demanding anything in return.
                    1. Alexei
                      Alexei 22 August 2013 17: 57
                      +5
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      Russia IF WISH, Azerbaijan will be her faithful friend

                      I am for it.
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      .But friends are not tied to themselves through any unresolved conflict

                      I agree, friends should have common interests.
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      .And the Turks perceive us as we are, without demanding anything in return.

                      And in what way is this manifested? I, too, perceive some New Zealanders as they are, but not to them - it does not make me feel warmer.
                    2. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 22 August 2013 18: 05
                      +6
                      Does a brother require something in return?
                    3. Alexei
                      Alexei 22 August 2013 20: 15
                      +2
                      Quote: xetai9977
                      Does a brother require something in return?

                      You did not answer my question. I repeat: what exactly does your brotherhood manifest in, well, or is there a relationship?
                    4. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 22 August 2013 20: 33
                      +3
                      In my opinion, I answered your question. We are almost a single nation with them. The word generality is 80%. In 1918, the Turks literally saved us from mass extermination by the Dashnak-Bolshevik combined forces. Should we continue or not?
                    5. Alexei
                      Alexei 22 August 2013 20: 46
                      +3
                      Go on. Make a common country, since they protect you. And what? Take with arms and legs.
                      Azerbaijan, like other countries of Transcaucasia, alone could not successfully develop the economy by internal forces and at the same time prevent encroachments from external enemies.

                      As historical practice shows, the best way to centralize the state can only be the establishment of restrained control by the state, which is more powerful, but in this situation a twofold situation arises: the line between control and enslavement is thin. In the case of Azerbaijan, the following picture emerged: attempts by individual khans to unite Azerbaijan under their rule were doomed to failure, then the country could only expect forceful subjugation of disparate territories from Iran or Turkey. Another option was the search for a military-political patron, with its own economic interests, which would also allow the development of an independent economic system in Azerbaijan itself.
                    6. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 22
                      +8
                      The brothers, in general, have their own families. Why should we unite with the Turks? Turkey is Turkey, and Azerbaijan is Azerbaijan
                    7. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 30
                      +4
                      Quote: Alexej
                      Go on. Make a common country, since they protect you.

                      Do you think this has a lot of opponents ?? On the contrary, it’s only for hands, we are already one.
                    8. smile
                      smile 22 August 2013 22: 10
                      +5
                      Yeraz
                      xetai9977
                      alone
                      Guys, why did you take the same avatars? ... what, do you serve in the same office? ... :))))) Remember, people in identical suits arriving at hot spots ... :)))
                      Forgive me, of course, but the children’s kind of demonstration ... that's honestly ... :))))
                    9. alone
                      alone 22 August 2013 22: 17
                      +5
                      hi this is a symbol of solidarity)))
                    10. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 03
                      +5
                      Quote: smile
                      Guys, why did you take the same avatars? ... what, do you serve in one office? ... :)))))

                      So, not only we have 3 avatars and Kazakhs have it. This is the flag of the Turkic summit, which we put on the eve of this summit, which was held in Baku on the 15-16th. The meaning of the Turkic solidarity !! The summit has passed, but I don’t want to take off beautiful flag
                      Blue color color of the flag of Kazakhstan
                      The sun is Kyrgyzstan
                      The crescent is a symbol of Turkey and Azerbaijan at the same time, the star is also, but rather it is a symbol of Azerbaijan, because it is eight-pointed, and not 5 like that of Turkey.
              2. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 03
                +5
                Quote: xetai9977
                .We are almost a single nation with them. Generality of words 80% .В


                80-90 years ago, the generality of words was at 99% In Turkey, there was a language reform, but Azerbaijan does not! The Azerbaijani language is the youth of Turkey!
              3. xetai9977
                xetai9977 23 August 2013 08: 57
                +6
                It was Atatürk who removed Arabic and Farsi words from the Turkish language, but we still have them. Struggling for the purity of the Turkish language, he simultaneously introduced many French and English words.
              4. Yarbay
                Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 19
                +4
                Quote: ayyildiz
                The Azerbaijani language is the youth of Turkey!

                In Erzurum, in the villages, the old people speak purely Azerbaijani and they said the same thing, that after the alphabet was changed, the pronunciation of many words also changed!
              5. ayyildiz
                ayyildiz 24 August 2013 21: 26
                +2
                Old people speak mostly Old Turkish! You will change too. As I understand it, young people have already begun to change their language towards Turkey!
        2. alone
          alone 22 August 2013 20: 45
          +4
          one nation, two state !! the answer is clear?)))
        3. Alexei
          Alexei 22 August 2013 20: 50
          +4
          Everything is clear with you. Sing Kumbai. drinks
  4. Yeraz
    Yeraz 22 August 2013 20: 54
    +4
    Quote: Alexej
    And in what way is this manifested?

    The first independent republic was created, including thanks to the Turkish Martyrs.
    And what does it mean to manifest, it’s the same thing I’m going to ask my brother, listen, what’s your brotherhood manifesting? They showed their brotherhood once, the Turkish people were always with us and the threat from Moscow stopped them from entering the Karabakh conflict officially.
    The level of our brotherhood is higher than that of Russia and Belarus.
  5. Alexei
    Alexei 22 August 2013 21: 13
    +1
    Quote: Yeraz
    They showed their brotherhood 1 times, the Turkish people have always been with us and the threat from Moscow stopped them officially from entering the Karabakh conflict.

    Has Moscow ever covered your butt? If not, then why and why was your country part of the USSR and the Russian Empire? With a brother it is handy. Or not?
  6. xetai9977
    xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 26
    +2
    Do you think we voluntarily joined the USSR? this is "thanks" to the 11th Red Army ..
  7. Yeraz
    Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 32
    +4
    Quote: Alexej
    Has Moscow ever covered your butt?

    From whom??
    Quote: Alexej
    If not, then why and why was your country part of the USSR and the Russian Empire?

    I’ll tell you a secret, just don’t tell anyone, the 2 Russian-Persian wars dragged us into the empire, and in the USSR the 11 I red army. Just don’t tell anyone wink
  8. Alexei
    Alexei 22 August 2013 22: 49
    +2
    Quote: Yeraz
    I’ll tell you a secret, just don’t tell anyone, the 2 Russian-Persian wars dragged us into the empire, and in the USSR the 11 I red army. Just don’t tell anyone

    I hope you were accepted as you are. I almost forgot smile and where was your brother at that time? Somehow it’s not fraternal. Brothers ... Something seems to me ... Ah, I won’t. In short, your family is strange, I tell you.
  9. alone
    alone 22 August 2013 23: 33
    +4
    when Azerbaijan took the 20 11 I, the Turks at that time fought with the French, British and Greeks, who decided to dismember their state. hi
  10. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 05
    +5
    Quote: Alexej
    I hope you were accepted as you are. I almost forgot, but where was your brother at that time? Somehow it’s not fraternal. Brothers ... Something seems to me ... Ah, I won’t. In short, your family is strange, I tell you.

    Before asking such questions and making a diagnosis at the end, first read in more detail so as not to seem ridiculous.
  11. smersh70
    smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 05
    +4
    Quote: Alexej
    and where was your brother at that time?



    By the way, don’t forget, the founder of the current state of Russia under the name Lenin had excellent relations with Ataturk, who led his own liberation struggle against the Entente .... and Lenin helped him a lot .. and with money and weapons ....... by the way, The 11th army arrived in Baku in April 1920 under the pretext of passing through Azerbaijan and Georgia to go to help Ataturk .....
  12. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 30
    +2
    Quote: smersh70
    By the way, don’t forget, the founder of the current state of Russia under the name Lenin had excellent relations with Ataturk, who led his own liberation struggle against the Entente .... and Lenin helped him a lot .. and with money and weapons ....... by the way, The 11th Army arrived in Baku in April 1920 under the pretext of passing through Azerbaijan and Georgia to go to help Ataturk ....

    Representatives of the Turkish Communist Party in Baku continued to stir up people's sympathy for the Bolshevik regime, and this propaganda activity was observed in the following days. On May 3, 1920, a declaration "To the Azerbaijani people from the Turkish communist Bolsheviks" was circulated, in which the Azerbaijanis were called upon to support the new government - the Bolshevik regime29.

    Meanwhile, Mulazim Refet, who witnessed the events taking place in Baku, noted in his report to Kazim Karabekir Pasha: “The respect of the population of Azerbaijan for Turkey and the Turks is great. All attention is focused on Anatolia, the Milli Mejlis. And even such an easy and unhindered penetration of the Bolsheviks into Azerbaijan did not affect this feeling. Seeing how cordially Khalil-bey met the Bolsheviks on the border of Azerbaijan, the people opened the borders to the Bolsheviks. "


    http://www.ca-c.org/c-g/2010/journal_rus/c-g-1-2/20.shtml
  13. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 23
    +1
    Quote: Alexej
    Has Moscow ever covered your butt? If not, then why and why was your country part of the USSR and the Russian Empire?

    So Turkey helped you with this too !!
    Khalil Pasha entered Azerbaijan together with the 11th Army! He persuaded many of the Government of the Republic of Azerbaijan not to resist the Red Army !!
    ** One of the leaders of the Turkish Communist Party, Baha Sait-bey, in a letter to Mustafa Kemal Pasha dated April 8, 1920, reported that the Caucasus Committee had appointed Khalil Pasha the commander of the Red Army24. To find out if Moscow agrees with Khalil Pasha’s candidacy, a request was sent to the headquarters of the Red Army through an influential courier. After some time, a negative answer came, however carefully hidden from Khalil Pasha himself and his comrades.

    In fact, the decision of the Caucasus Committee on the appointment of Khalil Pasha as the commander of the Red Army had no legal basis and pursued one single goal - to mask the true intentions of the Bolsheviks.

    Khalil Pasha went to Dagestan to meet the Red Army, but was still on the road when on the evening of April 26 the XI Army crossed the border of Azerbaijan and launched an attack on Baku. Without waiting for an internal coup, the Red Army began the planned occupation of Azerbaijan. **
    Khalil Pasha and the Russian colonel Skachkov accompanying him from Baku met with the commander of the 26th Red Army Lewandowski. Skachkov informed him of the decision of the Caucasian Committee to transfer Khalil Pasha the command of the Red Army. Lewandowski objected that Moscow did not give such an instruction and he intends with his army to advance to the old Ottoman-Russian border. And it would be very helpful Khalil Pasha to go to MoscowXNUMX. Pasha was forced to obey.

    Despite all this, Khalil Pasha continued to urge the Azerbaijani people to ensure the unhindered passage of the XI Red Army in the direction of Baku. The address of Khalil Pasha said: "The Red Army, not meeting the resistance of the Azerbaijani army, passed through the stations of Samur, Khachmas, Charkhi and continues to move. There was no bloodshed. But in other places, resistance can cause bloodshed. In Azerbaijan, it will generally remain the power of an independent people's republic.

    There is no reason to worry or panic, everyone should remain calm and sit still. The Entente, the enemy of Islam, wants blood to be shed between us and the Soviet Red Army. The bloody events in Istanbul and Izmir showed to what extent the British are enemies of Muslims. ”27 During the April events, Turkish officers and representatives of the Turkish Communist Party spoke to agitated Bakuvians in the streets and in mosques, reassuring the people that“ the arrived Russian army will stay here a few days "and will go further to Anatolia.
  14. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 25
    +2
    Quote: Alexej
    Has Moscow ever covered your butt?

    Usually we covered Moscow’s backside !!
  15. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 35
    +2
    Quote: Alexej
    Has Moscow ever covered your butt?

    It was Russia that resettled Armenians on our lands!
    It was Russia, by decree of Nicholas I, who created the Armenian region on the territory of Erivan Khanate!
    Why blogging for you?
  16. Artmark
    Artmark 22 August 2013 23: 24
    +1
    and what about you, when one brother is beaten, the second is afraid to come up, or even he will be beaten? request
  17. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 04
    +4
    Quote: ArtMark
    and what about you, when one brother is beaten, the second is afraid to come up, or even he will be beaten?

    Read above.
  18. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 28
    +4
    Quote: Yeraz
    The first independent republic was created, including thanks to the Turkish Martyrs.
    Not a single Azerbaijani will forget this!
    We will never forget Nuri Pasha and his corps, which saved our people from total annihilation !!
    I am proud that when the British arrested Nuri Pasha and it was the Azerbaijanis who wanted to shoot it, at the cost of their lives, they stormed the prison and freed Nuri Pasha !!
  19. Allegedly
    Allegedly 22 August 2013 22: 06
    +1
    Quote: xetai9977
    But the Turks perceive us as we are, without demanding anything in return.


    Do you understand what you said? You will be with the Turks at best as Kurds. But for this, first your country must become either part of Turkey, or its colony.
  20. Yeraz
    Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 08
    +3
    Quote: JACOB
    Do you understand what you said? You will be with the Turks at best as Kurds. But for this, first your country must become either part of Turkey, or its colony.

    You are kidding. Do you even know our relations at the level of the people ??? write complete nonsense without thinking, at the level of the Kurds. We are Turks, the word TURKEY was invented by Russians, in our languages ​​it is not, there is only TURK, Kazakh-Turk, Azeri -Turk, etc. They rarely call us Azerbaijanis, we sound there Azeri-Turk.
    laugh pancake on the rights of the Kurds ... lol
  21. ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 10
    +6
    And what rights do Kurds know well? Turkey in its latest history at 90% was ruled by immigrants from the Balkans and the Caucasus!
  22. Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 32
    +2
    Quote: JACOB
    Do you understand what you said?

    Do you understand what they said?)))))))
    We are the TURKS !!)
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 24 August 2013 21: 16
    +1
    Quote: Alexej
    Well, that's about your Karabakh left. The USSR chose the lesser of two evils. Of their friends, who are friends to everyone, they help most often the more devoted. And in politics, in general, the trouble, you have to think in advance. Now, if Karabakh remained with you, then Armenia would now be a so-so ally (worse than it is), and now you would certainly treat Russia better, but still not "oh" how
    The whole problem is that you always had short-sighted politicians who did not know the realities and, in principle, reasoned like you !! I mean after the collapse of the USSR!
    Russia, and not Azerbaijan, made the choice of an ally! Azerbaijan was forced to look for allies, and now say you have to choose !! In 91, despite all the nasty things that made Azerbaijan as a country and our people, the population spoke in favor of preserving the USSR! The only republic in Transcaucasia !! At that time, for most people, Russians were closer than Turks !! And over time, when they saw that the attitude towards us was mean, people began to understand what was happening !!
    How many now will vote for reunion with Russia ?? 5 percent can not be typed !!
    Admit to yourself that you lost Azerbaijan by its stupidity! Your politicians and Armenian generals supported then only because of religious preferences, I am sure of that!
    Well, time has shown and shows that you lost more than you won! Azerbaijan would be no worse ally than Kazakhstan!
  • sasha.28blaga
    sasha.28blaga 23 August 2013 05: 05
    +1
    It may be said cynically, but my vision of this problem is as follows. Russia is neutral due to the fact that for a given period of time there is not a single party proposing a solution to the problem that would suit both sides. Time must pass, maybe not a little, but the time will come when both sides of the conflict will be profitable to play this game, it is profitable. Then the parties split up happy.
  • Apollo
    Apollo 22 August 2013 17: 10
    +7
    Quote: Flood
    Are relations with the countries of the Caucasus improving from this? There is no doubt with Armenia. With Azerbaijan? Great question mark.


    Recently, Armenia has been making awkward curtsies towards the West, in terms of concluding an agreement on the subject of becoming an associate member of the EU.
    It’s clear that this is the policy of Yerevan annoying Moscow. Russia would rightfully want to see Armenia in the TS. But for some reason, Yerevan is postponing the issue of joining the TS and moreover it is silent. That is, Russia cannot receive a clear and open answer. This is a dual policy of Armenia. satisfied with Russia. In my opinion, Russia has decided to change priorities and is increasingly inclined towards rapprochement with Azerbaijan. Recent economic agreements and the supply of arms for a multi-billion dollar sum clearly indicate this. It is beneficial to have Russia on the southern flank Azerbaijan has strong and combat-capable borders in terms of repelling the possible penetration of militants into the territory of the North Caucasus, through the territory of Azerbaijan.

    Quote: Flood
    As we know, Turkey is a member of NATO member countries. It’s not a secret to anyone that members of the NATO bloc are possible opponents of Russia.


    Now, with regard to the second question, as we know, in addition to Turkey, NATO also includes Greece, which is very much tied to Russia not only economically but also spiritually.. Membership of Greece Orthodox country in the NATO bloc, does not prevent Russia from having close relations with it. Both Greece and Turkey have close economic relations with Russia. It has historically turned out that both countries are on the other side of the barricade. But I repeat, neither country threatens Russia. If anyone then he considers Turkey an enemy of Russia, then in my opinion he is bluffing.


    Quote: Flood
    If there was a question of a choice between Russia and Turkey, which side would you be inclined to?


    Firstly, the question itself is incorrect.
    Secondly, I would not want to, I even hypothetically reject the very idea of ​​a possible conflict between the countries you mentioned.
    And Russia, which is dear to me both in terms of spirituality and the fact that a lot connects me with it, and Turkey (not to be confused with the government) with which Azerbaijan is fraternized.
    I prefer the policy of Russia than the policy of the Government of Turkey, but I repeat both countries and peoples, I care about.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 22 August 2013 17: 31
      +8
      In general, I understood your thoughts. Although on certain points you can argue.
      The example of Greece, of course, is interesting, but absolutely not indicative.
      Firstly, due to the insufficient military power of Greece, in order to consider it as even a hypothetical opponent.
      Secondly, because of the very old and strong ties between Russia and Greece that you mentioned. Which in due time, if my memory serves me, it was possible to protect by force of the Russian weapon. From whom I will not clarify, you yourself understand.
      This is where Turkey is the exact opposite of Greece. A sufficiently strong army, moreover, intensively modernized recently; the stumbling block in the Middle East; the absence of any significant cultural and historical ties, but rather the opposite.

      Quote: Apollon
      Firstly, the question itself is incorrect.

      It is not correct because of the inconvenience of perception, but not in meaning. What I deliberately warned you about.
      Anyway, thanks for the answer.
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 13
        +3
        Quote: Flood
        Firstly, due to the insufficient military power of Greece, in order to consider it as even a hypothetical opponent.


        They have the latest arsenal of weapons!
    2. Alexei
      Alexei 22 August 2013 17: 43
      +5
      Quote: Apollon
      If someone considers Turkey an enemy of Russia, then in my opinion he is bluffing.

      Well ... Throughout history, Turkey has always been a faithful ally of Russia ... I apologize for the irony, but they do not threaten us as long as we are stronger than them. But as part of a union, they will certainly snatch something. Not a fact, but here is my opinion. They are completely different from altruists.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 22 August 2013 20: 31
        +5
        Quote: Alexej
        Well ... Throughout history, Turkey has always been a faithful ally of Russia ... I apologize for the irony, but they do not threaten us as long as we are stronger than them. But as part of a union, they will certainly snatch something. Not a fact, but here is my opinion. They are completely different from altruists.


        I accept your irony.
        Yes, I know perfectly well that Russia and Turkey have fought for centuries. But let's recall Germany, France, England ............ I do not write about Sweden, Lithuania, Romania, etc.
        The list of states can be continued indefinitely. It is necessary to proceed from the realities of today. Vladimir Putin, unlike you, does not consider Turkey a geopolitical enemy. Not the weight and scale. The United States is Russia's main geopolitical and geostrategic rival.
        1. Alexei
          Alexei 22 August 2013 22: 58
          +2
          Quote: Apollon
          I accept your irony.

          Yes, I don’t argue with you ... But they are not brothers to us, like these two Azerbaijanis with the same avatars. request
      2. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 20: 47
        +5
        As for the alliance, there is talk that Turkey is going to join the TS. If you assume such a thing, how do you think this will end?
        1. smile
          smile 22 August 2013 22: 14
          +2
          alone
          Turkey will not be allowed to join the CU, even if she wished, which I doubt very much, and you perfectly understand who will not.
          1. alone
            alone 22 August 2013 22: 20
            +5
            ))) not all veins in this world! not accepting Turkey into the European Union, Europe is pushing Turkey to such a step! in politics, everything is not forever, there are no friends, there are common interests
          2. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 17
            +4
            The Euro Union signs a free trade agreement with the USA and they don’t want to take Turkey yet! Large economists want in the CU!
      3. vadson
        vadson 22 August 2013 21: 18
        +5
        excuse me, but since ancient times the neighbors had so to speak "graters" on the territories. let's say Russia and Mexico have no problems. and for Russia and most of the countries around it? roughly speaking, for the thousand-year history of Russia, who hasn’t tried to bite off a piece from Russia, or are we from someone else? only polar bears are silent, and from the west, south and east Russia has ALWAYS had enough problems
        1. alone
          alone 22 August 2013 21: 25
          +8
          Vadim, after all, Russia did not sit quietly either. how do you think it was possible to become the owner of such vast territories? Right, 200-300 years ago there were 10-12 empires in the world that tried to chop off territories from each other more. all did this) ) from your words it turns out that Russia sat quietly, was attacked, and from this territory it fell into the possession of Russia by itself.)) this does not happen. now it’s not the 19th century, but the 21st. if you want to have friends and allies, first think about what you can offer, and what you get in return. but in the current state, most of your allies are sitting on Russia’s neck, they demand everything from her, and they also kick a barrel on her. That's the problem
    3. Allegedly
      Allegedly 23 August 2013 04: 33
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      If someone considers Turkey an enemy of Russia, then in my opinion he is bluffing


      It turns out that a friend of Turkey trained Chechen terrorists on its territory, a friend of Turkey is training Syrian terrorists who kill thousands of children in Syria. This is an interesting thesis. There are 185 thousand mosques in the friend country of Christians, do you think no one knows what is being preached there? Who are you holding us for?
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 23 August 2013 11: 22
        +3
        [quote = JACOB] [quote = Apollon] If someone considers Turkey an enemy of Russia, then in my opinion he is bluffing [/ quote]

        It turns out that friend is Turkey


        According to incomplete data of the Refugee Services of the League of Nations, in 1926, 958,5 of thousands of Russian refugees were officially registered. About 200 thousand people - accepted by France; about 300 thousand - accepted by Turkey (Turkish Republic);

        Only a few years after the war with Russia, Turkey accepted the Russians as refugees! Why doesn’t anyone remember interesting?
  • smile
    smile 22 August 2013 20: 10
    +3
    Flooding
    Sorry to get in, but I liked your question to Apollo .... can I answer for him? -He would grab his beloved M-16 and run to conquer Moscow! :)))) .... is it really that his position is not clear to you from his comments? :)))
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 August 2013 20: 24
      +4
      Quote: smile
      can I answer for him? -He would grab his beloved M-16 and run to conquer Moscow! :)))) .... is it really that his position is not clear to you from his comments? :)))


      Vladimir are mistaken, if of course it was a joke on your part. Considering my army service and also studying at a university, where I graduated with honors and also having close family relations with Russia and a huge number of friends and comrades living in Russia, you missed.
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 August 2013 20: 43
        +6
        Quote: Apollon
        if of course it was a joke

        And you look at his brackets a la Alibek bully
      2. smile
        smile 22 August 2013 20: 57
        +2
        Apollo
        Yeah ... I'm getting old ... I have already forgotten how to joke clearly .... :)))) Apollon, well, of course I was joking .... maybe unsuccessfully, but as I could .... well, you’re me you know ... :)))
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 21: 00
          +6
          Quote: smile
          Well, you know me.

          You do not know me request But you still recognize me am Give a link to the author? laughing hi
          1. smile
            smile 22 August 2013 22: 21
            +2
            Ruslan67
            As one friend of mine says, honestly, on tomatoes ... :))) I admit, the author of the phrase is unknown to me ... :))) let's give the link so that you don’t die a fool!
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 26
              +5
              Yaroslav Hasek through the lips of Lieutenant Oak laughing hi
        2. Apollo
          Apollo 22 August 2013 21: 04
          +5
          Quote: smile
          Yeah ... getting old ... already and clearly forgot how to joke ..


          no, I understood that a joke
          Quote: smile
          well of course i was joking ..


          definitely believe

          Quote: smile
          maybe unsuccessfully, but how could ..


          very successful good



          Quote: smile
          Well, you know me ..


          where from ?! request forum only wassat

          afterword, by the way, given the name and content of the information, I deliberately posted funny videos in order to somehow defuse the possible passions on the forum.
          1. smile
            smile 22 August 2013 22: 25
            +1
            Apollo
            Well, about knowledge, I didn’t mean anything beyond the knowledge of my standard reaction and stereotypes that appear in my statements on the entom forum ...
            And about the rollers, I thought so ... :)))) and you know, thanks to you, no. but the fight didn’t happen, which is gratifying ... :)))
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 22 August 2013 22: 40
              +4
              Quote: smile
              And about the rollers, I thought so ... :)))) and you know, thanks to you, no. but the fight didn’t happen, which is gratifying ..


              sometimes you have to resort to small military tricks and sophistication wassat
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 43
                +5
                Quote: smile
                thanks to you, no. but the fight didn’t happen,

                No, well, if people insist what request
                Quote: Apollon
                resort to small military tricks and sophistication

                I warned about the sneaker in advance and indicated the place where to hide belay And in peacekeepers Apollo again crying wassat
                1. smile
                  smile 22 August 2013 23: 02
                  +2
                  Ruslan67
                  Nah, there won't be a fight. Apollo will beat you, you have different weight categories, he has a revolver (the ability to remove the lout .... :)))
                  Now for some reason I presented a scold of two moderators-imagine-text:
                  Comment has been deleted
                  comment deleted even more
                  comment finally deleted ..... :))))))
                  eh, just to come to life at this beautiful time will not have to me or you ... :)))))
                2. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 04
                  +5
                  Quote: smile
                  Apollo will beat you, you have different weight categories, he has a revolver (the ability to remove the lout .... :)))

                  And I'll come back through Skype wassat And enough to poke negative
                3. smile
                  smile 22 August 2013 23: 38
                  +1
                  Ruslan67
                  "And that's enough to poke out - it's enough" - H - our man !!! :)))) I will no longer ... well, so ... maybe a little ... surreptitiously ..... :))))
                4. Ruslan67
                  Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 53
                  +5
                  Quote: smile
                  maybe a little ... stealthily ..... :)))))

                  Go north or Yandex laughing
          2. Apollo
            Apollo 22 August 2013 23: 03
            +5
            Quote: Ruslan67
            And in peacekeepers Apollo again


            Anticipating the possible consequences, he lowered future unwanted comments on the brakes. laughing
          3. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 06
            +4
            Quote: Apollon
            lowered future comments on the brakes.

            How many posts does tolter cover ...... belay what fool Indulgence issued by a moderator? wassat
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 22 August 2013 20: 44
    +4
    Quote: smile
    -He would grab his beloved M-16 and run to conquer Moscow! :)))).

    Well, considering some points what scumbags from among his compatriots and not only would it become sour am laughing
    1. smile
      smile 22 August 2013 22: 28
      +1
      Ruslan67
      Nah, well, so dishonestly, negotiate ... very curiously curious! :))))why? What are the moments? :)))
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 31
        +4
        It’s custom here to send to Google laughing And some even in Yandex wassat I just recommend for extracurricular reading lol The Adventures of the Good Soldier Schweik hi laughing drinks
        1. smile
          smile 22 August 2013 22: 51
          +2
          Ruslan67
          Oh mlyayayayayaya ... so paraffin .... in general, I’m leaving myself ... where I was sent .... and to google, and even to Yandex ..... I earned ... a jungle viewer .....
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 57
            +5
            Quote: smile
            pozzor jungle .....

            Akela has missed tongue wassat
            1. smile
              smile 22 August 2013 23: 41
              +1
              Ruslan67
              Yeah! But do not hope that this was my last hunt! :))))
              by the way ... I remember about Akella’s miss, one character was spreading ... a little one ... you don’t know him? ... :))))
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 50
                +5
                Quote: smile
                so small ... you don't know him? ... :))))

                Had to meet bully Today a couple explained their place in the food chain am
  • alone
    alone 22 August 2013 20: 52
    +6
    Do you want to consider your whole life the enemies of all those with whom you fought 200-300-400 years ago?
    and why is it better than cooperation? why Russia is now cooperating with Germany and France? from them that there were less problems from Turkey? with such thinking, friends are easier to lose than to gain! You need to think geopolitically, not archaism !! what was once left there. you need to look forward, be able to consider the benefits and cooperate!
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 22 August 2013 21: 04
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      ? from them that there were fewer problems from Turkey? with such thinking friends are easier to lose than to gain

      Yes, there are no friends like your compatriots living in Russia, you don’t need enemies, they do such harm to Russia that you can’t justify it, geopolitics or strategy or tactics, excuse me for being straightforward.
      1. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 21: 18
        +6
        I love direct conversation! Let me answer you directly. Are you guilty that your government lets so many people from the near abroad enter the country? What prevents your government from establishing a visa regime? Strengthening the border service?
        I want to answer you why all this is not done. In an interview, the head of the FMS said that due to migrants it was possible to increase the population of Russia in 1,4 for the first time in 2012 years, and my compatriots in Russia are Tahir Salah, the late Muslim Magomoy, General Kerim, Farman Salman and 10 others. these people served Russia worthily. Remembering the crime, remember those who served Russia.
      2. xetai9977
        xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 31
        +6
        And what prevents you from expelling them? At the same time, all Central Asians, Ukrainians, Georgians, in a word, ALL migrants?
        1. alone
          alone 22 August 2013 21: 40
          +3
          hi rauf! do you know what's stopping them? the state program of the government of Russia to improve the demographic state of Russia and measures to increase the population of Russia. Why the government program "compatriots", which offers immigrants from the USSR permanent housing, citizenship and special benefits.
      3. smile
        smile 22 August 2013 22: 44
        +2
        cherkas.oe
        Come on ... yes, we have ethnic groups ... both Azerbaijani and Armenian ... and Russian .... so what? a lot of people live a normal life and benefit Russia, no less than Russians ....
        I will give a situation as an example. Time, in my opinion, is the spring of 93, before Chechnya .... I am a young specialist, I found myself working in an am in which the Armenian diaspora drove from the court to mentoring for the things of a fraudster sentenced to a conditional measure (solely because they paid off damage to the victims) ... in the car - the guest silence, I personally do not understand ... I’m what you mean, who died? They: Us in .. (seaside town) ... only 17 people, and this ... ... shame on the nation!
        I mean, you shouldn’t credit the exploits of ethnic criminal gangs to everyone .... we’re also being poked around by the Russian mafia ... do you think we are all like that? And how are they worse than us?
      4. smersh70
        smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 14
        +4
        Quote: cherkas.oe
        ak and enemies are not necessary, they are so harmful


        by the way, our mostly come to do business and bring a lot of money with them .. some win, and not who go bankrupt and go back ... and that money is left in Russia .. by the way, unlike the same Uzbeks or Tajiks ... some come having in your pocket just a train ticket hi

        and in Russia ours don’t ask for food .. neither housing ... nor work ... where did you see an Azerbaijani janitor .... the only thing you need ...-- is to take good taxes from them .. and create conditions that they pay more ...
        1. smile
          smile 23 August 2013 00: 40
          +2
          smersh70
          And here you are wrong. Your compatriots still don’t bring huge amounts of money to us .... exported, but not huge, but by the little things, comparatively of course .... a lot is accumulating, but also not huge ... by the way, unfortunate Tajiks do not ask us either ... they work on the hardest work .... and their leadership is solely to blame for this, which killed the education in their own country ..... if we are specifically concerned with your diaspora, the only thing we need is not to tear your three skins but to make legalize the whole business ... withdraw from the shadows .... but this is our common problem ... ours are the same .... why should yours be holier than ours? :)))) at this point I always remember the saying of a friend, she asks me, why do cats lick eggs? Well. they say, unlike people :))) I ???? Answer: Because they CAN! :))) This is what our guys are about. just as yours will violate the laws of the Russian Federation only as long as they can do it .... :))))) Everything else is speculation on the topic.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 05
            +2
            Quote: smile
            Your compatriots still don’t bring huge amounts of money to us.


            look - our business is mainly trading, but in order to buy goods on the basis .. money is needed !! who will give them directly or on credit !!!!! it means that they need primary capital ...... and a Tajik comes and settles in for work! that’s the difference .. it seems a dear friend ... You have not read Marx .. .... but I advise .... smile businessman will not work out of you ..... hi
            1. smile
              smile 23 August 2013 02: 37
              0
              smersh70
              Yes, yours mainly trade ... although there are a lot of doctors and engineers ... :)))) but usually the initial investments in trade are small ... then comes the progression - more money, more profit, more investments .. .etc. but money is still exported ...
              the expression "dear friend" brings to mind the owl from "Winnie the Pooh", which gave the donkey its own tail .... :))))) I read Marx ... you will laugh, I even handed over the history of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union .... :) )))) Yes, I'm not a businessman ... I learned about this much earlier .. :)))))) when I drove alcohol to Poland in 92m so that my wife could buy a leather jacket ... :)))) I was 21 years old ... I haven't been in business since then, it's not mine .... Berezovsky didn't work out of me :))))
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 August 2013 00: 20
                +3
                Quote: smile
                the expression "dear friend


                but how to contact you - "Pale-faced, not a fan of the Caucasus" chtoli wassat this is the usual respectful treatment .. hi ..

                Quote: smile
                when in 92m alcohol drove to Poland

                You had to get off at the train station on the passage of Minsk, and then, like your peer, I was 22) then, I would love to conduct a business development lesson with you)) since I had a shop at the train station drinks
            2. Allegedly
              Allegedly 23 August 2013 17: 11
              +1
              Quote: smersh70
              You did not read Marx ...... but I advise


              What business do you need to study Marx? What are you smoking there?
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 24 August 2013 00: 26
                +1
                Quote: JACOB
                What business do you need to study Marx?


                come to their historical homeland and not read Capital in their native language .. well, this is too ..... wassat It seems you mow under the German ..... laughing admit .. I will not inform the German Embassy))))
        2. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 52
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          By the way, our mostly come to do business and bring a lot of money with them .. some win


          And many Russian citizens are given jobs!
        3. Allegedly
          Allegedly 23 August 2013 16: 57
          -1
          In Estonia and Latvia there is not a single black market or marketplace, not even anywhere else behind the counter. And even if several * trucks * bring fruit and vegetables there, then under the OMON escort, they unload, unload, and then accompany them to the border. Why? And so as not to roam back and forth. Yes, there is crime there, but this is another crime.
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 24 August 2013 00: 23
            +1
            Quote: JACOB
            then under the escort of riot police, unloaded, unloaded,




            why don’t you smoke - don’t like or don’t want to ... fool completely chtoli ... what nafik riot police in the Baltic states .... laughing even in your Germany I have not seen this))) it was probably the Arabs or immigrants from the city of Aleppo and especially from the part where the rebels control smile
            1. Allegedly
              Allegedly 24 August 2013 18: 38
              0
              Of course, there are police special forces in Estonia and Latvia. Yes, it’s not much, well, so these are dwarf countries. Estonia has no more than a million inhabitants; Latvia may have one and a half typed. Official numbers may give me, but they cost less than the paper on which they are written. For example, in Latvia in some regions more than 70% of the population left. But in Ireland and England there are entire areas of compact residence from these. So to speak, people vote with their feet.
      5. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 23 August 2013 00: 28
        +1
        Give an example of exactly what harm is being done?
  • alone
    alone 22 August 2013 20: 43
    +2
    Quote: Flood
    Are relations with the countries of the Caucasus improving from this? There is no doubt with Armenia


    the improvement is so strong that the Russian embassy was attacked in yerevan last night, and rallies with the slogan "Russia out of Armenia" have been going on in the streets of yerevan for several days
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 22 August 2013 20: 48
      +5
      Quote: lonely
      rallies with the slogan "Russia out of Armenia" have been going on in the streets of yerevan for several days

      Well, finally, at least some sane reason to do it good And it’s somehow inconvenient to just send read inscriptions on the nearest fence wassat But interestingly, Azerbaijan will pass the output equipment through its territory? what
      1. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 22: 30
        +4
        I think yes. It will be profitable for us wassat
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 33
          +4
          Quote: lonely
          it will be profitable for us

          There is no emoticon with a cookie request On the way, nothing will fall and not be lost stop Well, except for a fee repeat bully
          1. alone
            alone 22 August 2013 22: 38
            +5
            and we don’t need dormovye t-72))) we buy t-90s in cash)))
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 22 August 2013 22: 46
              +6
              Quote: lonely
              and we don’t need the dorm t-72

              And who said that gratuitous? At the price of t-90S but for personal use laughing
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 17
            +4
            Quote: Ruslan67
            On the way, nothing will fall and not be lost


            By the way, when Russian troops were withdrawn from Georgia ... trains took our explosives and handed over Russian explosives on the border .. nothing was lost ....
    2. 225chay
      225chay 22 August 2013 23: 20
      +2
      Quote: lonely
      yesterday night in Yerevan an attack was made on the Russian embassy, ​​and in the streets of Yerevan rallies with the slogan "Russia out of Armenia" have been going on for several days

      Um ... There’s nothing to say in defense of the Armenians) ...
      Do you want them well, do you want) and they like that mean so.
      Well, I don’t know how the Russian people will endure them after that?
  • Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 22 August 2013 15: 46
    +5
    Quote: serge-68-68
    Armenia is a more reliable ally:

    fool what They asked me the day before not to bring the matter to the Holocaust wassat I had to promise only a small Armageddian - meet fellow
    Quote: serge-68-68
    surrounded by enemies, a small non-Muslim country is forced to "huddle" towards Russia.

    So an ally or just understands a step to the side and a furry animal of five letters at the threshold?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 15: 51
      +3
      Quote: Ruslan67
      meet

      Yeah we wait winked
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 August 2013 15: 54
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yeah we wait

        Hi fellow Slipper ready good start when the allies pull up bully
        1. Apollo
          Apollo 22 August 2013 15: 57
          22
          Quote: Ruslan67
          We’ll start at the ready when the allies pull up


          while you prepare sneakers and soyuznichki will pull up another movie about Obama, for laughs laughing

          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 22 August 2013 16: 00
            +5
            Quote: Apollon
            while you prepare slippers and allies will catch up

            I'm afraid they can proudly hide under a broom knowing who is waiting for them bully
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 22 August 2013 17: 04
            +7
            Grade roller lol
  • smersh70
    smersh70 22 August 2013 23: 55
    +3
    Quote: serge-68-68
    In addition, Armenia is a more reliable ally: surrounded by enemies, a small non-Muslim country is forced to "huddle" to Russia.



    that's what you need smile because of people like you, and Armenia does everything it wants.)) buys weapons from China for real money .. and then begs for weapons from you .. as a result, millions of Russian pensioners do not receive real money hi
  • smersh70
    smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 14
    +1
    Quote: serge-68-68
    In addition, Armenia is a more reliable ally:


    When you hear comments that the supply of arms is carried out in order to maintain military balance and is a business, there is a desire to say that the signing of the Association Agreement with the EU should be seen as a business, ”said Kocharian. At the same time, he added that, unlike the Association Agreement, political supplies can always be found in arms transfers. “Given the difficult geopolitical situation in which Armenia is, the country's authorities are looking for ways to enter foreign markets, including European ones,” the deputy foreign minister noted, ArmInfo reports.

    Shavarsh Kocharian’s statement was welcomed by the Armenian social media users: “Well done Shavarsh! You finally put Russia in its place!” , - one of the users wrote on the network.
    1. Oleg111
      Oleg111 23 August 2013 13: 45
      0
      Everything is much simpler - the military base in Armenia controls the entire region. Therefore, Russia feeds Armenia. So the question is military and geopolitical - and not who is the more faithful friend of Russia
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 15: 46
    +7
    Azerbaijan is a stable and dynamically developing country. You need to be friends with her anyway, even if they don't want to ..)) And I think the Karabakh problem can be solved peacefully. (Armenia and Azerbaijan will have to "make friends" somehow ..)
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 15: 53
      +4
      Quote: MIKHAN
      But I think the Karabakh problem can be solved peacefully

      Such as?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 22 August 2013 15: 55
        +6
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Such as?

        If you don’t want to be friends, we’ll hang a female dog am wassat
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 17: 06
          +3
          Quote: Ruslan67
          Do not want to be friends, hang

          Ruslan is too democratic laughing
          1. Ruslan67
            Ruslan67 22 August 2013 18: 03
            +4
            Do you propose to send a totalitarian ambassador to Zimbabwe? wassat
  • Vtel
    Vtel 22 August 2013 16: 00
    +5
    Listen, yes, the United States is who he is, where Azerbaijan is and where he is, and Russia is nearby - let's be friends here.
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 22 August 2013 16: 37
      +6
      Friendship means feelings on both sides. I understand that there is no place for sentiment in politics, but speaking in human language, if your friend is friends (and supports) your enemy, you will inevitably think about his true attitude towards you
      1. Vtel
        Vtel 22 August 2013 16: 49
        +1
        We are all from Adam and Eve ...

        "For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against the spirits of wickedness in high places" (Ephesians 6:12).

        Nadot seek peace. It is better to send your anger to the crafty West, which stirs up water for everyone.
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 01
          +1
          VTEL Answer honestly. An excursion into history. How would the USSR reacted to the calls to "live in harmony with the Germans" when they were standing near Moscow?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 17: 05
            +3
            Quote: xetai9977
            VTEL Answer honestly.

            I will answer you, if you will. Russia will not ask or apply to the UN or something else, but simply heap all. Azerbaijan cannot do this; therefore, everything is in limbo request The country is kind of independent, but dependent on other factors, I think you’ll hi
            1. xetai9977
              xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 18
              +3
              I have not received an answer to my question. If someone thinks and acts according to the principle of the "law of the jungle", then history does not forgive the automatic introduction of relations between animals into the human world. In history, there have already been empires operating on this principle. countries maintaining good neighborly relations.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 17: 40
                +7
                Quote: xetai9977
                .If someone thinks and acts according to the principle of the "law of the jungle"

                The whole world, and so in fact the jungle, over the past 2000 years, nothing has changed, in general. Colonial warriors call democracy, names change, but the essence remains the same.
                Quote: xetai9977
                history does not forgive the automatic introduction of relations between animals in the world of people

                No does not forgive, but even the most ferocious beast will not do what a person can do. History is cyclical, but is constantly interpreted differently.
                Quote: xetai9977
                .A countries that maintain good neighborly relations flourished and flourish.

                Only until then, according to the main players on earth, they will not begin to sort things out with weapons, nothing more depends on such countries.
                1. xetai9977
                  xetai9977 22 August 2013 18: 14
                  +6
                  If any kid is used to offending the weak just because of sporting interest, then he should be prepared for the fact that someday an even healthier kid will appear who will offend him. Russia always complains (by the way, rightly) of double standards from the West. But in relation to us, she herself applies the same double standards. If this is normal, then why do you always complain about the same West? If you do not see anything shameful in neglecting our interests, then calmly relate to neglecting your interests.
                  1. smile
                    smile 22 August 2013 20: 31
                    0
                    xetai9977
                    I believe that you are wrong. Tell me, what are the double standards that Russia allegedly applies to you?
                    And further. Russia does not complain ... I suppose that you complained about complaints grieving. :))) You should not say so. Sooner or later, all our enemies get what they deserve, it always has been and always will be, I think you know this .... :))))
                    1. xetai9977
                      xetai9977 22 August 2013 20: 55
                      +5
                      Please, Vladimir. Conducting a counter-terrorist operation in the North Caucasus is the "sovereign right of Russia" "Restoring territorial integrity." And if Azerbaijan only speaks about the same operation in Karabakh, then this is already according to the opinion of the majority on the website "Azerbaijani aggression", "Azerbaijani ambitions, which must be answered by the forces of the CSTO."
                      1. smile
                        smile 22 August 2013 23: 12
                        +2
                        xetai9977
                        Damn, I already wrote somewhere here, I’m not an expert on the Karabakh problem, therefore I won’t tryndet whose he will correct ... question. as I understand it, controversial .... but you think that he is yours, they are what their ... and we are in the middle ... how ... and, considering that they are better for us .... what double standarts? Moreover, we still did not recognize Karabakh ....
                      2. Ruslan67
                        Ruslan67 22 August 2013 23: 18
                        +5
                        Quote: smile
                        , considering that they treat us better ..

                        Yes bolt 23 with reverse thread who to whom how it relates request the problem is that in any case we will have to get in and if we get on the wrong side our base becomes hostages And if on that one we cut off from the main forces, does it need us? what No.
                      3. Oleg111
                        Oleg111 23 August 2013 13: 52
                        0
                        And how many days will it be cut off? -)))))))))
                    2. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 13
                      +5
                      Quote: smile
                      Damn, I already wrote somewhere here, I’m not an expert on the Karabakh problem, therefore I won’t tryndet whose he will correct ... question. as I understand it, controversial

                      So understand there is such a theme that in addition to Karabakh, 7 regions with the absolute majority of the Azerbaijani population are occupied around it, when they talk about a million refugees, that's all. There were so many people in Karabakh.
                    3. smile
                      smile 23 August 2013 00: 21
                      +2
                      Yeraz
                      About these 7 districts, there are all obviously occupied territories, and there are no questions about their return. They must give them anyway.
                  2. smersh70
                    smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 23
                    +4
                    Quote: smile
                    therefore, I will not tryndet whose he will correct ... question. as I understand it, controversial .... but you think that he is yours, they are what their ... and we are in the middle ... how ... and, considering that they are better for us .... what double standarts


                    put your answers to the relations between Russia and Japan .. and see what happens ....... hi
                  3. smile
                    smile 23 August 2013 02: 50
                    +1
                    smersh70
                    I’m more familiar with the Kuril problem than with the Karabakh problem. I can very simply justify from the standpoint of International Law that the Kuril Islands are ours .... is it necessary? I do not see the slightest resemblance in the legal assessment of the situation in Karabakh with the Kuril Islands and Sakhalin.
                    The only similarity is Japan’s tenacity ... similar to yours ... but they have fewer reasons than you have orders of magnitude .......
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 19
              +4
              Quote: smile
              I believe that you are wrong. Tell me, what are the double standards that Russia allegedly applies to you?

              In that she herself fought with the Chechens restoring the constitutional order, but she won’t give us, and in August 2008 she gave us a subtle hint, not in words, but in reality what will happen to us if we decide to establish a constitutional order wink
          2. cherkas.oe
            cherkas.oe 22 August 2013 21: 43
            +2
            Quote: xetai9977
            .But in relation to us, it itself applies the same double standards.

            Two million of yours live in Russia and simply rob it, (I don’t need to talk about hundreds of really worthy sons of Azerbaijan again, I’m infinitely grateful to them) what kind of double standards are you broadcasting here?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 49
              +4
              Quote: cherkas.oe
              Two million of yours live in Russia and simply rob it,

              all are directly occupied by robbery of Russia))) Damn and where should I bring all the loot)))
              1. alone
                alone 22 August 2013 22: 06
                +6
                wassat do not wish to share the loot?))))
              2. Yeraz
                Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 14
                +4
                Quote: lonely
                do not wish to share the loot?))))

                With pleasure I am sorry Azal reduced the weight of the cargo, would have sent more)))
              3. alone
                alone 23 August 2013 00: 20
                +2
                Thank you Ali of course, but to send, you must first rob bully
              4. Yeraz
                Yeraz 23 August 2013 10: 36
                +3
                Quote: lonely
                Thank you Ali of course, but to send, you must first rob

                So some argue that the robber is left with him to find out where to get his share and send to Baku bully
      2. alone
        alone 22 August 2013 21: 51
        +4
        Do not forget that we also have Russians who are citizens of Azerbaijan. but if someone is robbing a country, so there is a valiant Ministry of Internal Affairs, let them take measures. Many of our citizens are already Russian. But how did they become citizens, maybe we are also to blame for this?
      3. smile
        smile 22 August 2013 23: 53
        +3
        cherkas.oe
        Damn, I'm sorry, but you are ashamed to read, knowing that you are ours .... What ..., damn it, a demon, have you credited millions of people to robbers? ... if you have real crime statistics on the topic of mercy, we ask. ..if you don’t disgrace the nation ... our ... unreasonable assaults and sweeping accusations.
        1. alone
          alone 23 August 2013 00: 02
          +4
          unfortunately, Vladimir recently, such assaults have increased in earnest. you see yourself 2 million robbers, some solid bandits. as if the crime has a nationality))) and for your answer to this person, definitely +
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 22 August 2013 16: 54
    0
    August 13, arrived in Baku, maybe enough to discuss this topic, 10 days have passed.
  • Alexei
    Alexei 22 August 2013 17: 08
    +4
    The Russian oil giant Roneft demonstrates its interest in participating in the Absheron gas project. This will help Rosneft enter the lucrative European gas market as a competitor to another Russian giant, Gazprom.

    Here it is! Compete guys with each other, develop the economy.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 17: 29
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: MIKHAN
    But I think the Karabakh problem can be solved peacefully

    Such as?

    Well, firstly, to stop hostile hysteria in the media (on both sides) (at least in the media controlled by the state) This is a big plus .. (Russia could be a mediator here) Azerbaijan and Armenia were not always so hostile (probably something it was good) .. something needs to be started like that ..
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 22 August 2013 17: 36
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Well, firstly, stop the hostile hysteria in the media (on both sides)


      and on the VO forum too wassat
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 17: 42
        +4
        Quote: Apollon
        and on the VO forum too

        Apollo, then it will be boring. There’s nothing to argue about and then who should slam the minus? laughing
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 22 August 2013 18: 08
          +6
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          There’s nothing to argue about

          With VAF on Aviation fool wassat
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          and who then slam minus?

          Then you can’t get off with a minus, you have to kill yourself against the wall laughing
    2. xetai9977
      xetai9977 22 August 2013 17: 59
      +5
      Vitaly, I will disappoint you. Armenians have never loved us! I am a native of Yerevan. I will never forget and will never forgive the Armenian sellers who threw goods bought in a store (with the labor money of a working grandfather) across the whole hall to an old woman-grandmother (I didn’t go to school then) with the words “on, choke, Turkish woman. "And when they refused a glass of water in the stall, although there was water for the Armenians. And this is in the 70s !!! The heyday of Soviet power !!!
      1. smile
        smile 22 August 2013 21: 18
        +1
        xetai9977
        Excuse me, but considering how much your compatriots say bad things about Armenians on this forum, then they probably act accordingly, no? Maybe you don’t need to talk about it ... As an example, I’ll tell you the following:
        at 12 years old. September 11 ... :)))) I got into an accident on a bicycle ... lucky. I didn't break anything, except a tooth - I was driving face down on the asphalt for several meters ... an hour unconscious ... imagine what my face was (now you can hardly see anything) my torn lip was higher than my nose ... so, Lithuanian doctors in the best children's clinic sewed up my face - lips, nose. I'll make money on my forehead, arms and legs, just watering it with alcohol .. imagine, you are lying face up, a doctor comes up to you and looking into your eyes pours alcohol from a bottle into your eyes ..... and says, "why are you twitching." .. no anesthesia was used. an absorbable suture was to be used to suture the lips and forehead ... doctor to another. who brought the thread, said, "spend it on this Russian?" (for some reason they are all piously sure that we do not understand Lithuanian) ... in general, they sewed it with harsh threads ... on the fifth day my mother was allowed to visit me ... since I am Russian, they did not make a single dressing for me and the wounds began to stink ... then it was uninteresting, my mother put things in order only because by that time she served in the Internal Affairs Directorate ...

        How do you like the story? But I doubt that you hated all Lithuanians and think that we are right about Lithuania, am I right?
        Well, you don’t need to tell such stories, we already know that the Armenians are not angels .... but, I think, your compatriots are also not without sin, right?
        1. xetai9977
          xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 55
          +4
          I did not say that ours is without sin. But grabbing not only foreign territory, but also music, cuisine, etc., is not only dirty tricks anymore. This is already insanity, and not just one or two.
          1. smile
            smile 23 August 2013 00: 03
            +1
            xetai9977
            C'mon ... you still mentioned about the kitchen ... well, it would be strange if you hadn’t had a similar one .... you live nearby, naturally borrowed from each other ... this your statement reminded me of squabbles about the Lithuanian cuisine ... the fact is that they have a mix of Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian and Russian .... everyone has analogues to the neighbor’s dish, but everyone believes that the author is his people ....: ))) it’s true only the Poles have come to the point of challenging in court that they own the invention of vodka and write monographs about their authorship in borsch .... :)))) maybe it should not be compared? ...
            1. alone
              alone 23 August 2013 00: 09
              +3
              )) you know, I would agree with you if one no. the name of the dishes. these names are all Turkic words. here it is))
              1. smile
                smile 23 August 2013 03: 01
                +1
                alone
                Well, we have stuffed a lot of kitchen recipes ... it’s to blame for the fact that you invented them first? And what, are we now tasty to eat nizzzzya? :)))) You should know that at least a third of Russian cuisine is borrowed from you ... :)))
                1. ayyildiz
                  ayyildiz 23 August 2013 10: 55
                  +3
                  It's not a matter of borrowing, but in the future, Armenians may demand money from every cafe who cooks these dishes or will not let them cook at all! Since they want to register them for themselves!
                2. alone
                  alone 23 August 2013 11: 18
                  +4
                  )) At least you acknowledge this)) eat on health. but you don’t blow the whole world about the fact that this is exclusively your kitchen)))) that’s the difference))
                  For example, I really like borsch, but I can’t say that this is the national dish of Azerbaijan !! conscience will not allow))
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 44
              +1
              Quote: smile
              though only the Poles got to the point of challenging



              and you have not seen our neighbors laughing they simply add -American to any name of the food-- and that’s it ... wassat


              and even a pineapple, which everyone knows that grows in Africa, automatically becomes an Armenian pineapple ... wassat
              1. Ruslan67
                Ruslan67 23 August 2013 01: 18
                +3
                Quote: smersh70
                automatically becomes an Armenian pineapple ...

                Is this when the pineapple bolt put YES !? wassat
      2. 225chay
        225chay 22 August 2013 23: 41
        +4
        Quote: xetai9977
        I will not forget and will not forgive the Armenian sellers who threw the goods bought in the store (with the labor money of the grandfather the worker) across the whole hall to the old woman-grandmother (I didn’t go to school then) with the words “stop, choke, Turkish girl”.

        Something like that now they behave in Russia. They insult ordinary grandmothers and old people in the markets, no respect for elders if they are not their Armenian tribe ...
        And what are the Feroyans doing in Ivanovo ?, and the Ignatians in Kirov? I am silent about Harutyunyan ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 23 August 2013 01: 11
          +5
          Quote: 225chay
          I am silent about Harutyunyan ...

          But what about Poghosyan? belay
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 20
            +2
            Quote: Ruslan67
            But what about Poghosyan?


            Comrade Judge !!!!!!! and he cannot sit down ... laughing because his invented plane doesn’t land .... wassat
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 23 August 2013 01: 21
              +4
              Quote: smersh70
              because his invented plane doesn't land.

              It used to be, if the plane doesn’t land, then everyone else will land am
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 21
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ) Azerbaijan and Armenia were not always so hostile

      You don’t know our relationship, they were good only when the tsar’s troops and the all-seeing eye of the KGB were near wink
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 23 August 2013 01: 20
        +4
        Quote: Yeraz
        , they were good only when near the royal troops and the all-seeing eye of the KGB

        Blessed times ... crying laughing
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: Apollon
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Well, firstly, stop the hostile hysteria in the media (on both sides)


    and on the VO forum too wassat

    The forum can and should only be controlled .. laughing Someday get tired ..)))
  • Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 22 August 2013 17: 54
    +5
    Ties need to be strengthened, no doubt about it. But I get tense when a whole delegation leaves. Immediately an association with the Gazmyas football team. They obviously do not know how to play on the (political) field. Like elephants in a china shop ...
    The Armenian - Azerbaijani problems simply and quickly will not be solved, this is a fact.
    Each side has its own truth. By supporting one, we get the hostility of the other.
    There is one way out - economic. Remember C. Max - the economy is primary, politics is secondary.
    I have said and will argue that until Russia truly returns to the top three of the superpowers, there can be no question of the return or / and unification of the former republics.
  • KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 22 August 2013 18: 22
    +5
    Since 2008, the United States has managed to significantly reduce its presence in the post-Soviet space.

    We work, however! Return your lost, ss! And nothing personal! Tokma state interests!
    Putin arrived in Baku with two Russian warships and a large delegation of ministers and business leaders.

    So we are not just "SHUTTLE-DUMP" ... and we need to take a closer look at our colleagues ... remind about ourselves ... so that life would not seem like honey, demonstrate our strength ...! It helps to find ... whatever it is ... called - "CONSENSUS"! That Baku and Aliyev do not understand that when they leave Afghanistan, the Amers also lose their influence in this region ... And a holy place is never empty!
    ... gives Washington the opportunity to strengthen relations with Azerbaijan and Armenia and restore its position in the region.

    Yes, not to Azerbaijan ... Armenia is now aMeram ... They would with dignity carry away their legs from Afghanistan ... to extinguish anti-American passions in the North. AFRICA ... to calm down their supporters who have gone too far in Syria ... And here also China is actively crowding out and expelling from the world trade markets ... and in America itself, a mouthful of concerns in connection with the economic crisis ....
    So we can only dare and work ... work ... to strengthen our interests in this region ...
    1. alone
      alone 22 August 2013 22: 12
      +5
      )))) in winter there will be a return visit of the Azerbaijani navy to Astrakhan?) do you think Azerbaijan is demonstrating its power to Russia?)))) is it just a friendly visit, for example, cooperation between the two fleets, nothing more))) or do you think Putin decided to scare Azerbaijan with two ships ?)) Putin himself said this in his time: "It's time to leave Azerbaijan alone! We need to accept this country as it is and cooperate with it taking into account MUTUAL INTERESTS" !! I emphasize, Mutual
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 18: 48
    +1
    The main thing now is to crush the Anglo-Saxons (to open their rotten insides) they have now taken a "pause" .. but this is for now .. If Russia can withstand this global information and economic war .. Then the countries themselves will offer us friendship and cooperation .. The world is intimidated " democratic "bombing and executions of the leaders of the countries (unwanted). Everyone looks at Russia and hopes for it. There is a cruel war for the souls of people.
  • individual
    individual 22 August 2013 18: 59
    +1
    Russia is interested in the active presence of the oil and gas business in Azerbaijan, a benchmark for economic success in the Caucasus.
    Azerbaijan, in turn, cannot do without Russian diplomacy in deciding the division of the unregulated Caspian shelf between the five members of the Caspian - Russia, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Iran and Azerbaijan
    The contradiction between Baku-Tashkent and Tehran, where everyone hopes for his own vision of the division of the Caspian riches, will be especially aggravated.
    1. alone
      alone 22 August 2013 20: 59
      +7
      Kazakhstan and Russia, we are in the same position. there are no problems in this matter
  • Stepnogorets
    Stepnogorets 22 August 2013 19: 17
    0
    "And this space has almost completely passed under the influence of Russia in all spheres, ...." "The National Interest" has gone too far, maybe it throws a bream !?
  • crambol
    crambol 22 August 2013 20: 35
    +2
    Putin’s visit took place just two months before the presidential election in Azerbaijan. Putin could hardly choose a more appropriate moment to publicly support President Ilham Aliyev


    Dangerous number. No matter how it overexcites the opposition!
    1. alone
      alone 22 August 2013 21: 00
      +2
      We have almost no opposition. The people once saw this. it was something like the rule of EBN, but only another 1000 times worse))) the second time we won’t fail))
      1. xetai9977
        xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 39
        +6
        Discussing our opposition is not the primary goal of the site. Among our opposition there are also very worthy people. I never divide people into oppositionists or pro-government forces. Both of them are representatives of the people.
  • Savva30
    Savva30 22 August 2013 21: 19
    0
    Putin is a first-class player in "foreign policy", nothing more to say, I don't understand anything lately ... fucking matrix
  • Semurg
    Semurg 22 August 2013 21: 25
    +4
    Maybe Aliyev’s offtopic is a very beautiful wife from the first ladies, the post of the USSR is probably the most beautiful, I mean there’s nothing to discuss on the topic, Karabakh is still in Armenia if their state in economics and demography doesn’t turn the tide. Karabakh will pass over time to Azerbaijan, if only Russians they will not want to fight for the interests of Armenians in Karabakh.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 41
      +5
      Quote: Semurg
      Maybe Aliyev’s offtopic is a very beautiful wife from the first ladies, the post of the USSR is probably the most beautiful

      Mehriban Khanum is not sure, but the most beautiful among the first ladies of the whole world. Just look at the pictures of the first ladies of the world immediately understand. Here she has real support among the people.
      Quote: Semurg
      Karabakh is still in Armenia if their state in economy and demography doesn’t turn the tide. Karabakh will pass over to Azerbaijan over time, unless the Russians want to fight for the interests of the Armenians in Karabakh.

      Wait too long, the main thing here is Russia, although Armenia will be empty, but Russia will not be able to do anything against it.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 22 August 2013 23: 27
        +4
        Wait a long time? like the Chinese say "if you sit by the river bank for a long time, then someday you will see the corpse of your enemy floating by"
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 17
          +3
          Quote: Semurg
          Wait a long time? like the Chinese say "if you sit by the river bank for a long time, then someday you will see the corpse of your enemy floating by"

          My brother just got to the point, I watch the Turkish series about the military and they said and said exactly the same proverb, they say the Chinese say that))))))
        2. ed65b
          ed65b 23 August 2013 11: 57
          0
          Quote: Semurg
          Wait a long time? like the Chinese say "if you sit by the river bank for a long time, then someday you will see the corpse of your enemy floating by"

          Or the enemy will see your corpse floating past him laughing
      2. smile
        smile 23 August 2013 00: 12
        +1
        Yeraz
        In some of the spring or winter, but this year, issues of "Around the World" were published photos of the families of leaders of different countries ... and so, there is someone from the Southeastern kings such an aunt in wives ..... no worse your beauty, to put it mildly ..... I'm not saying this out of harm, a really unique woman in beauty ... look at the magazine, agree ... :))))
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 23 August 2013 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: smile
          In some of the spring or winter, but this year, issues of "Around the World" were published photos of the families of leaders of different countries ... and so, there is someone from the Southeastern kings such an aunt in wives ..... no worse your beauty, to put it mildly ..... I'm not saying this out of harm, a really unique woman in beauty ... look at the magazine, agree ... :))))

          there are 2-3 more beautiful first ladies. I forgot exactly who, like the wife of the Prime Minister of Spain and someone else, but the wife of the Armenian President is tin for the sake of interest, google))))
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 21: 32
    +5
    Azerbaijanis now, as I noticed recently, there is a rise in national spirit and patriotism .. (and this is on many sites ..) Well done no words !! just don’t go too far with this !! .. Build up economic and scientific potential .. well, and the army by itself ..
    1. alone
      alone 22 August 2013 21: 44
      +7
      Vitaly, we are only occupied with this. Science and education are the only way of development in economic, state and, of course, military matters.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 23 August 2013 00: 20
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        Vitaly, we are only occupied with this. Science and education are the only way of development in economic, state and, of course, military matters.

        A fellow countryman spoke with Baku yesterday, I don’t know how all medicine was, but they made medical training very worthy, our relatives study scored high points, very good conditions were created for the training of high-quality specialists, they are now in an internship in Turkey. I was pleasantly pleased.
        1. alone
          alone 23 August 2013 00: 24
          +2
          Imagine two applicants who failed to get into surgery with 600 points. belay 600 points, earlier it was possible to 400
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 23 August 2013 00: 47
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          like all medicine, but medical training made very worthy


          just not our medicine! it's better to die in the arms of the stoic laughing look at the border with Iran ... 80% of those who go there go to the doctors too .. because it’s cheaper and better ..... hi
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 23 August 2013 01: 16
            +1
            A lot of Azerbaijani doctors study in Turkey, but our medicine is very good! Is something wrong or have they not started working yet?
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 23 August 2013 01: 42
              +3
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Is something wrong or have they not started working yet?


              learn, learn ... fellow though the majority seeing what is happening in the Ministry of Health .... then they leave back ..... smile
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz 23 August 2013 11: 54
            +4
            Quote: smersh70
            just not our medicine! it’s better to die in the arms of the Stoic laughing, look at the border with Iran ... 80% of those who go there, go to doctors, because it’s cheaper and better ..... hi

            So I also know this. One woman from St. Petersburg came Grazka, and so she told her mother in St. Petersburg an elderly woman who was very sick St. Petersburg doctors said she would live a maximum of half a year, it would be pointless to perform the operation, although the woman’s family was rich. They brought them to Baku , Baku doctors, not knowing what St. Petersburg said, said no problem, we’ll do the operation, everything will be normal)))))))
            It’s just that the situation just in the last 2 years in the field of medical education has improved. I’ll try it on my fingers, now at the end of 5 years of study you pass the exam, there you need to get a high score if you passed, you can continue further education, and you don’t choose a profession, but assign it to you. If you couldn’t pass the exam, you can work only with Precinct. Our practice in clinics is now in Turkey.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 22 August 2013 21: 46
      +5
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Azerbaijanis now, as I noticed recently, there is a rise in national spirit and patriotism .. (and this is on many sites ..) Well done no words !! just don’t go too far with this !! .. Build up economic and scientific potential .. well, and the army by itself ..

      On the one hand, a lesson to the Georgians, it was in our favor, some who looked too hot, sobered up right now, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, as never soberly and meaningfully act and really evaluate themselves.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 23 August 2013 14: 04
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        some who looked too hot, sobered up right now, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, as never before soberly and meaningfully act and really evaluate themselves.



        on the one hand, it is so ... but on the other hand, it is not profitable for the current elite to start military operations, because no one will give a guarantee to these actions ... what if everything will turn out differently ... and the new Chapaevs will grow up on the wave of the war .. Surets. .. The Basaevs ... who turn the weapon, the devil knows where ..... and the oligarchs will lose everything ... villas ... islands ... money and most importantly power !!! ... in our business, first of all, the will is needed !!! !!!!! and if it is, no barriers are terrible ...
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 24 August 2013 12: 51
          +2
          Quote: smersh70
          on the one hand, it is so ... but on the other hand, it is not profitable for the current elite to start military operations, because no one will give a guarantee to these actions ... what if everything will turn out differently ... and the new Chapaevs will grow up on the wave of the war .. Surets. .. The Basaevs ... who turn the weapon the hell knows where ....

          this power will start a war when it is confident in it, because personally, if stupid orders are given, I will turn the machine in the right direction and many will do it, and now it’s not peace time when you can stop people with Chevik’s help, there will already be armed people.
    3. xetai9977
      xetai9977 22 August 2013 21: 57
      +5
      The main thing is patriotism! The rest will be!
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 21: 58
    +4
    Quote: Yeraz
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Azerbaijanis now, as I noticed recently, there is a rise in national spirit and patriotism .. (and this is on many sites ..) Well done no words !! just don’t go too far with this !! .. Build up economic and scientific potential .. well, and the army by itself ..

    On the one hand, a lesson to the Georgians, it was in our favor, some who looked too hot, sobered up right now, Azerbaijan and Azerbaijanis, as never soberly and meaningfully act and really evaluate themselves.

    Happy for you!! Keep it up! We are waiting for your President to pay a return visit to us !! (after re-election for a new term of course ..)
  • Anti
    Anti 22 August 2013 22: 34
    -6
    The Pechenegs crumble the loaf again ... lol Who is minus? What is Pecheneg really here? what
  • ed65b
    ed65b 23 August 2013 11: 52
    +2
    The article as a whole is seasoned but with sub-marks and podeb.mi.
    And Russia's inability to offer a competitive opposition candidate instead of Oscar winner and Russian citizen Rustam Ibragimbekov guarantees Aliyev’s victory in the presidential election.
    Why this passage? I think GDP perfectly finds a common language with Ilham Aliyev. GDP will not go with strange projects to other states. What did this director, where he showed himself, recommend? To cut through the cannons, drink coffee tea?
    Meanwhile, Russia was happy to fill the vacuum that Washington left behind.

    What is this for? Now you don’t need us? Like, the abamushka threw Azerbaijan from the master’s shoulder and Russia eagerly picked up a whine on the fly? The diplomats of our countries have always worked in both Russia and Azerbaijan. Or did Aliyev run to get instructions at the US embassy like Sahak? Rave. Was Putin supposed to come to Aliyev with his wife and children instead of a team of ministers?
    The fact that he came to support Aliyev correctly is done by all good neighbors and friends can be said.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 23 August 2013 12: 07
      +2
      Quote: ed65b
      The fact that he came to support Aliyev correctly is done by all good neighbors and friends can be said.

      So the significance of the situation and the insult of the Armenians is that from the moment of the last election, the Armenian media and officials said that he would come to Armenia, but he hadn’t arrived there in Baku, he didn’t even go to Armenia
      1. ed65b
        ed65b 23 August 2013 13: 53
        0
        It is necessary to look less in Europe in the ass then maybe it would have stopped by. laughing
  • armandos
    armandos 23 August 2013 12: 21
    -2
    The Russian base is located in Gyumri. During the fighting in Karabakh, the Armenians and Azerbaijanis will be one on one with the only difference that the Azerbaijanis will be armed to the teeth + mercenaries will most likely fight on their side. The Russian base is the guarantor of the security of Armenia, but not of Karabakh. All these screams about "if the Armenians were not hiding behind the backs of Russia, we, like, have taken Karabakh long ago," all this is in favor of the poor. tales of azeragitprom. Armenia is not sweet, I agree, but gradually everything is getting better. As for the conditions for the settlement of the Karabakh conflict proposed by the Azerbaijanis, this is pure profanation. To put it simply, Aliyev's next deceitful move to please the international community. If we discard the political husk, then I see the situation as follows ... Firstly, for the Aliyev mafia clan, this conflict in a frozen state is very beneficial, he (Aliyev) always has a lever to control his rating at hand, his belligerent bravado allows him to enlist the support of the population ... Secondly, here I admit, being a cunning and rather not stupid politician, Aliyev understands that this time, in the event of a war, Azerbaijan can lose Karabakh once and for all, and if by a miracle he succeeds in capturing it back, this a hot spot at hand, which is absolutely not beneficial to the business interests of his clan. It is for this reason that Aliyev does not agree to the participation of NKAO representatives in the negotiation process. Negotiations on NKAO should be conducted not between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but between Azerbaijan and NKAO, to which the Aliyevs and Co. will never agree, which makes the solution of this problem a farce. War? Why not? I do not agree that a shaky peace is better than war (with regard to this particular issue). Of course, this time there will be more victims, unfortunately, but Karabakh lives on readiness for war from day to day, so everything is ready there. Go and get it!
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 23 August 2013 14: 12
      +4
      Quote: armandos
      Of course, this time there will be more victims, unfortunately, but Karabakh lives in readiness for war every day, so everything is ready there. Go and get it!


      yes they go there and also for a long time ... the front line is sieve-look. you are our resistant))))))
    2. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 23 August 2013 15: 14
      +2
      Armandos appeared again to arrange tantrums?
      1. armandos
        armandos 23 August 2013 20: 29
        -5
        ))) And you probably wanted to arrange tantrums in one snout? That is, all I'm saying is hysteria, and you throwing a cheap video on the site is sooooooooo cool!
        )))) Well, that is, there is a sieve border, and you don't want to take machine guns and take your "historical" homeland? Laziness or what?
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 23 August 2013 21: 23
          +3
          My country is not occupied! Our brothers, yes, but I’m sure it’s not long left to return everything back!
    3. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 23 August 2013 23: 59
      +4
      You provoke and then roll tantrums here!
      1. alone
        alone 24 August 2013 00: 03
        +3
        metin, hello! do not pay attention to him! let him live yesterday's life !!
  • Bakht
    Bakht 24 August 2013 23: 53
    0
    Unfortunately, watching all the comments is not enough strength.

    According to the article. A visit by the head of one state to another state is normal practice. And quite possibly there are no hidden reasons. Just networking.

    My opinion is that on almost all issues Russia and Azerbaijan have no contradictions. I do not believe in the conspiracy thesis that Russia is behind the Karabakh conflict. But there is one point on which it will be difficult for Russia and Azerbaijan to agree. These are gas and oil pipelines and transit through Azerbaijan of energy resources to Europe. There is no politics here. Continuous economic interest.

    Azerbaijan did not seek to oust Russia from the South Caucasus. Russia itself has left this region. And Azerbaijan is innocent in this process. Reliance on Armenia alone was a strategic mistake of Russia. States can at any moment outbid Armenia with giblets. And much to give and do not have to. And the Russian base in Armenia will instantly turn into an American one. And then Russia’s complete exodus from the South Caucasus will come.

    The main conclusion. Without a solution to the Karabakh conflict, Russia will have to leave the South Caucasus. And after Georgia, both Armenia and Azerbaijan will be lost. An early solution to this conflict will benefit all three states of the South Caucasus and strengthen Russia's position. Unfortunately, the Karabakh conflict (as well as Abkhazia and Ossetia) turned all three states of the South Caucasus from subjects of international politics into objects of this very policy. We can be manipulated. And the conductor’s wand is not in Moscow.

    There is a solution to the Karabakh problem. Not easy and not instant. But there is. Unfortunately, everyone follows events, not constructs them.

    Regrettably.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 25 August 2013 01: 35
    0
    Sorry, but I didn’t see constructivism in your answer. We will not talk about Azerbaijani geologists. Not sure why production is falling for the second year in a row? For example, I know. Like a geologist. :-)

    There are tons of questions that need to be answered in a long and detailed way. Let us dwell only on two points.

    The first. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Are you aware that the grand opening took place not only at the Sangachal terminal, but also at the Azerbaijani Embassy in the UK? And there, when the traffic jams flew to the ceiling, the representative of the US State Department uttered an intelligible phrase: "We have invested $ 4,5 billion in this project. And under no circumstances will we allow military operations in this region." End of quote. After that, you can buy weapons worth billions of dollars. The Washington Regional Committee will not allow the start of hostilities. After this statement, champagne corks flew to the ceiling in Yerevan. That is why I called and still call this project directed against Azerbaijan.

    The second point is the development of the Karabakh conflict. If you compare the chronology of events in Karabakh with the struggle for the USSR, much will become clear. The preservation of Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan was demanded by the old members of the Politburo. And transfers to Armenia are democrats from Yeltsin’s circle. And our Popular Front supported the democrats of Moscow, that is, those who demanded the transfer of Karabakh to Armenia. When I tell them this, they just don't beat me in the neck. And so - I have already heard all the words. But facts are a stubborn thing. And what you are saying about the hand of Moscow is that you have heard enough of V. Gulu-zade. That one ... Thank God he was driven away from politics a long time ago.

    Historical excursions are very interesting, but they will not help in solving the Karabakh problem. The first step in solving the problem is to recognize your own mistakes and ... change the Constitution of Armenia and Azerbaijan.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 25 August 2013 02: 05
      +2
      Over the 5 months, another 13 million tons were pumped through the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline in other countries! And how much did Turkey buy from Azerbaijan?
  • Bakht
    Bakht 25 August 2013 01: 42
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    Quote: ayyildiz
    Quote: Bakht
    . Tell me, which Armenian government will refuse that Armenia get access to Lake Van and Mount Ararat?


    Let them try! If ......

    Who will try? The former US Secretary of State said that the borders of states in the Middle East need to be reformatted. And first of all, this concerns Turkey. And the current Secretary of State is known for his close ties with the Armenian diaspora in the United States. So all inquiries can be obtained from the Washington Regional Committee. If you don't believe me, then google "Petersen's map". It was published, I think, in 2005.
    1. ayyildiz
      ayyildiz 25 August 2013 01: 55
      +1
      Fuck us at Secretary of State John! And then we can arrange such a thing that it doesn’t seem like much! I hope you also saw the Servir card and understand what I'm getting at
      We still have not forgotten about Mosul and Kirkuk. hi
      1. Bakht
        Bakht 25 August 2013 02: 07
        +1
        Yes, you can draw anything on the map. When I first saw the Petersen map, my first reaction was delusion. And then different seasons like "spring" began. Now I'm not sure of anything.
        1. ayyildiz
          ayyildiz 25 August 2013 02: 19
          +3
          Quote: Bakht
          Yes, you can draw anything on the map.

          Exactly, they drew in Servyr and nothing came of it! And it won’t work out now! 80 is a millionth country, which has one of the most disciplined army in the world!
  • Bakht
    Bakht 25 August 2013 07: 51
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    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: Bakht
    When I first saw the map of Petersen, then my first reaction was - delirium.

    Did you see their map during the Cold War, where they even put Baku under nuclear attack?))))))))))))) So the countryman sleep peacefully.

    And after Putin’s arrival, believe me to sleep even harder.

    Believe us, we have learned to play chess. Plus, do not forget that we have very very good relations with Israel.

    When you participate in a discussion, it would be nice to read the posts of the interlocutor. What is the Cold War? Petersen's map was published in 2005. Have you noticed the date?
    Relations with Israel are just wonderful. We buy weapons, but there is no Azerbaijani Embassy in Israel. And the President of Azerbaijan announced the reason why this Embassy is not and is not expected in the near future. Which caused a clear dissatisfaction of Israel, and even the Israeli ambassador left Baku for a while. They did not demonstratively do this. Explained by technical reasons.
  • Glory333
    Glory333 25 August 2013 10: 21
    0
    Russia has a difficult task - to prevent further rapprochement between Azerbaijan and Euro-Atlantic structures while maintaining allied relations with Armenia, as correctly noted in the article, this task is facilitated by the weakening of the US and the West, as a whole, hit by the crisis.
  • Bakht
    Bakht 25 August 2013 21: 23
    0
    Quote: xasharat
    Quote: Bakht
    Relations with Israel are just wonderful. We buy weapons, but there is no Azerbaijani Embassy in Israel.

    This is dear Islamic solidarity. We do not want to piss off the OIC. But the OIC supports us and Israel understands this. And he sees no problems in this. The Israeli Embassy in Baku is enough.

    Quote: Bakht
    Which caused a clear dissatisfaction of Israel, and even the Israeli ambassador left Baku for a while.

    in Israel’s relations and their scenarios dear, believe me you won’t understand. This is all for the public. Think for yourself how old the Israeli Embassy in Baku is. If everything was so bad they would have covered the bench in a year. They need us and we need them too.

    And why, then, is there no Azerbaijani Embassy in Israel? For many years. The Israeli Foreign Ministry has been bewildered several times.