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Government of the Russian Federation: savings need to start from below

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Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev recently announced that if the current trends in the Russian economy continue, the budget deficit in the 2014 year may reach 400 billion rubles, and the 2015 year will exceed half a trillion, and this “half-trillion” hole will also spread to 2016 year. Exactly the same information was published by the Russian government at the beginning of the summer, and therefore some news data that the Russian budget will remain scarce in the near future, clearly did not. By the way, at the beginning of the summer, Medvedev also mentioned the main areas in which the financial sector of the Russian cabinet of ministers should work in order to try to “reason” the growth of the budget deficit in the near future. These areas included: the development of an innovative (familiar word, isn’t it ...) a budget strategy, a new approach to the use of the National Wealth Fund and the need to complete work on making proposals for a pension reform vector.


Government of the Russian Federation: savings need to start from below


Then (in June) all these orders of Dmitry Medvedev remained somewhat unnoticed by the Russian press and public (holidays, cottages, seas, etc.), but now, when cottages with the seas are left behind by the majority of the Russian population, the directions designated almost 3 a month ago by the prime minister, begin to float in all its glory. Moreover, more than others (against the background of unintelligible words about “innovative” strategies and the use of the National Wealth Fund), pension reform manifests itself in this key.

The other day, apparently, all summer, puzzled over how to save money for the Russian budget, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov made a lengthy speech about the thoughts that illuminated him. Thoughts, of course, brilliant, and most importantly - with the head characterize Siluanov as the ideological successor of the undertakings of his predecessor at the main financial post. As the saying goes, the head book vein takes it, and Kudrin II ... ah, sorry, Anton Siluanov announced that he knows exactly how to save as much as 1 trillion for the Russian treasury for three years 153 billion. 500 million rubles. How? That's how.

First of all, Anton Germanovich is going to stop the program for issuing maternity capital after 31 December 2016 of the year. She, as the Minister of Finance recalled on that day, ends, and it is inexpedient to continue, since the birth rate in the country has increased in recent years ... From 2017 onwards, closing the program will allow to save 300-330 billion rubles in the budget annually.

Secondly, the chief financier of All Russia, bearing in mind the orders of Dmitry Medvedev, is going to conduct a “flexible” pension reform. The meaning of this “flexibility” is approximately the following: to increase the work experience needed to receive an old-age pension up to 15 years, at the same time over the next 15 years to raise the retirement age “smoothly”, adding additional pension ratios for those who are going to work even after it is reached .

Thirdly, Mr. Siluanov proposes, attention ... to create an open sphere of state and municipal services. “Open,” that really is perfectly said. That is, even the federal minister of the Russian government "seems to be hinting" that today state services are a closed shop, whose control over the work can be performed by anyone, but not by the Russian government. Yeah…

Fourth, the Ministry of Finance proposes to cut spending on education by about 15%. Why? Indeed, it is necessary to save here, because we already have so many educated people in the country ... Disorder!

In general, the proposals of Anton Siluanov are remarkable in their essence. Only in this case, Anton Germanovich somehow forgets that, no matter how cool, and for many Russians, maternal capital was a good incentive for the birth of the second and subsequent children in the family. The minister forgets also that by the time he is about to stop this program, Russia’s largest demographic and labor pit in recent years will manifest itself, at which the number of pensioners will substantially exceed the number of working citizens. Yes, life expectancy in Russia today is far from the one in which you need to lift the strap of the retirement age, replacing this move with all sorts of veiled manipulations about the need to increase the pension ratios and other “rabbits” from the black cylinder.

But the most important thing: Minister Siluanov “forgot” to provide data on where the finance ministry is going to send the same saved trillion rubles. Perhaps, they want to increase the social security of the population in the ministry ... But then there is an obvious paradox: why do we need to try to worsen this very social security, then to talk about the found ways to improve it? Although our government is generally a center of paradoxes, so there is no surprise. Sometimes it seems that the president has given the opportunity to form such a cabinet of ministers in order to act as such a bestowing Goodwin. Convenient is the government.

In this situation: Siluanov and Medvedev say clearly antisocial things, and the president, while considering the accounting proposals of the Ministry of Finance, will simply take his pen or ball pen and cross them off, saying that they say no, guys, this will not work ... Naturally, news agencies will report that the president did not allow the government to go against the aspirations of the people. Well, something like a child's game "evil-good."

Ministers: let us, in order to save budgetary funds, cancel all pensions in general, but save trillions, save!
President: nothing will come of it!

Something like this…

By the way, several alternative ways to save budgetary funds and increase budget revenues can be recommended to the financial unit of the Russian government. In this case, recommendations are given absolutely free of charge and they can be made to any government program, even without worrying about respecting copyright.

First.To bring to the logical logical conclusion the criminal cases of Oboronservis, Rosagrolizing, and other offices, whose representatives have spent more in recent years than Siluanov proposes to save. Yes, about the confiscation of "overwork" acquired property not to forget.

Second. Take a walk through the financial statements of all kinds of Rosnano together with Skolkovo. If there is one “speaker” Ponomarev for a minute of the “report” received thousands of euros for 20, then the horizons for saving are definitely impressive ...

The third. Recall that the incomes of officials in Russia on average per year grow by about 40% faster than the average growth of income in the country, and therefore they lead to average figures.

Fourth. To each federal and regional actor of human destinies to count all his deputies, pomov and advisers. This army alone “feeds on” state grubs for billions of rubles.

The fifth. Finally, develop mechanisms to counteract the outflow of capital abroad.

But this is all very difficult, ”representatives of the government will say, but to take away the already half-maternity maternity capital, raise the retirement age and cut down education expenses - this is“ we can ”. Who would doubt that...
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  1. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 22 August 2013 07: 42 New
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    One dirty trick by the name of Kudrin was thrown out of the Kremlin, now she is crap on the “swamp”. The same dirty trick appeared.
    "A holy place is never empty".
    The liberal lobby in the Kremlin is essentially a dragon with several heads. You cut down one, it grows immediately.
    Is it time to chop to the root?
    1. Nasty
      Nasty 22 August 2013 08: 18 New
      59
      since little changes, then you need to see who for all these years has not really changed. There is such a party. There is even such a president.

      In general, it is difficult to trust the authorities, under which Chubais did not have a single criminal record. This is indicative of how they treat Chubais, Serdyukov, etc., and how they treated Budanov, Khabarov.
      1. afire
        afire 22 August 2013 09: 09 New
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        Hit list
        Roman Abramovich
        Viktor Vekselberg
        Alfred Koch
        Anatoly Chubais
        Leonid Gozman
        Anatoly Serdyukov
        Vladimir Bakin
        Vladimir Yakunin
        Andrey Gordeev
        Vasily Anisimov
        Love Sliska
        Igor Tinkov
        Dmitry Medvedev
        complement ...
        1. Airman
          Airman 22 August 2013 09: 48 New
          11
          Quote: afire
          Hit list
          Roman Abramovich
          Viktor Vekselberg
          Alfred Koch
          Anatoly Chubais
          Leonid Gozman
          Anatoly Serdyukov
          Vladimir Bakin
          Vladimir Yakunin
          Andrey Gordeev
          Vasily Anisimov
          Love Sliska
          Igor Tinkov
          Dmitry Medvedev
          complement ...

          It is too big, if you shoot people on 100 per day, the line will stretch for at least years on 5, and maybe more.
          1. Ruswolf
            Ruswolf 22 August 2013 10: 02 New
            +9
            Quote: Povshnik
            It is too big, if you shoot people on 100 per day, the line will stretch for at least years on 5, and maybe more.

            PLACE ALL ON THE MISTALS AND IN THE SEA PERFORMANCE
            Wherever in New Swabia!
            Fast and economical! And it’s easier for the people and the fish!
            1. Far East
              Far East 22 August 2013 12: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Ruswolf
              PLACE ALL ON THE MISTALS AND IN THE SEA PERFORMANCE

              YES! all of them in POPEN-HAGEN! laughing
            2. grafrozow
              grafrozow 22 August 2013 20: 43 New
              0
              Quote: Ruswolf

              PLACE ALL ON THE MISTALS AND IN THE SEA PERFORMANCE

              Precisely re-drink. Homeport "Mistral" -Vladivostok, like the name of the ship. Not a good example. hi
          2. the polar
            the polar 22 August 2013 10: 06 New
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            Quote: Povshnik
            Quote: afire
            Hit list
            Roman Abramovich
            Viktor Vekselberg
            Alfred Koch
            Anatoly Chubais
            Leonid Gozman
            Anatoly Serdyukov
            Vladimir Bakin
            Vladimir Yakunin
            Andrey Gordeev
            Vasily Anisimov
            Love Sliska
            Igor Tinkov
            Dmitry Medvedev
            complement ...

            It is too big, if you shoot people on 100 per day, the line will stretch for at least years on 5, and maybe more.

            --------------------------------
            Do not panic. One "elite" thousand will be quite enough. Yes, and not necessarily shoot. It’s far more humane to give everyone a life sentence with confiscation, and send them to gold mining, because they love gold so much. So let them try, for their own pleasure and for the benefit of the motherland.
            1. Airman
              Airman 22 August 2013 10: 54 New
              +5
              Quote: Polar

              --------------------------------
              Do not panic. One "elite" thousand will be quite enough. Yes, and not necessarily shoot. It’s far more humane to give everyone a life sentence with confiscation, and send them to gold mining, because they love gold so much. So let them try, for their own pleasure and for the benefit of the motherland.

              Yes, they did not hold anything heavier than the "parker" in their hands, and the security will need enhanced security, because the "Western partners" will raise such a howl about the violation of human rights. Or maybe not, no one needs the spent “material”.
              1. Shadowcat
                Shadowcat 22 August 2013 12: 17 New
                10
                If they want to receive rations - work out the norm, there will be no nomes, the ration will be cut. will get higher reinforced. Everything is simple - the Soviet system rules.
              2. anomalocaris
                anomalocaris 22 August 2013 13: 39 New
                +4
                Nehai howl. And the beautiful nature of eastern Siberia and northern Baikal region will have a very beneficial effect on the mindset of these figures.
            2. My address
              My address 22 August 2013 13: 02 New
              +6
              I offer a thousand and twenty. And immediately. Choose by popular vote. And then they completely lost the fear of God, looking at the events around Serdyukov. In Yekaterinburg, in the local administration of education, teachers are forced to agitate for the EP. And doctors say that it will be known who voted how and there will be conclusions.
              1. Drednout
                Drednout 22 August 2013 15: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: My address
                Choose by popular vote.

                And here is something not very. Enough "Popular" vote on the symbol of Russia to see, more precisely the results.
            3. SPLV
              SPLV 22 August 2013 18: 20 New
              0
              not to get rid of a thousand. sad
          3. redwolf_13
            redwolf_13 22 August 2013 11: 30 New
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            It’s just possible to do as the Cossacks did in Siberia (to tie 10 people in a row to the first and last bullet in the head and in the river) Well, it’s so simple already there are no words pret. Today I walked near the local administration of the region so in the parking lot alone Kruzaki Lexus. And we will save on the people. Just like in one joke "... And you didn’t visit them with dust"
          4. anomalocaris
            anomalocaris 22 August 2013 13: 37 New
            +6
            Not. Shooting is not our method. Make work out. Kylo in the mouth and on the next construction site of the century. In a few thousand years they’ll work. Or with the right of redemption. Then, as it seems to me, the “floating away” capitals will very quickly return to their homeland.
          5. paul1969
            paul1969 22 August 2013 14: 46 New
            +3
            instead of home-2
          6. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 22 August 2013 18: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Povshnik
            if you shoot at 100 people per day

            No need to shoot, just confiscate property and send to uranium mines
          7. Starina_hank
            Starina_hank 22 August 2013 19: 57 New
            +1
            What a barbarism! No need to shoot anyone! There are many places in Russia, villages are dying. It is necessary to send all those especially "outstanding" to the village to fresh air, together with all relatives to the third knee, let them work and relax like all normal people, on their honestly earned money. And if you add more outstanding ones, we and the whole world will be able to feed. It will be necessary to keep an eye on them, otherwise Russia will not be nice to them!
          8. grafrozow
            grafrozow 22 August 2013 20: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: Povshnik
            It is too big, if you shoot people on 100 per day, the line will stretch for at least years on 5, and maybe more.
            And they didn’t think that new ones would come in their place — an old proverb — If things go wrong in a brothel, you should not rearrange the beds, but change <! - filter: -> damn <! - / filter -> .. .y. How do you like this?
        2. Combitor
          Combitor 22 August 2013 10: 20 New
          +4
          afire (3) Today, 09:09, but have you forgotten the Russian Fuhrer? Or shy? Without it, there would not be all of the above.
          1. afire
            afire 22 August 2013 10: 34 New
            -1
            Quote: Kombitor
            afire (3) Today, 09:09, but have you forgotten the Russian Fuhrer? Or shy? Without it, there would not be all of the above.

            Alexander, who are you talking about?
            1. matross
              matross 22 August 2013 12: 32 New
              +4
              Quote: afire
              Alexander, who are you talking about?

              How about whom? This is it about GDP. Compound feed is fierce. They are not used to figuring out who is to blame, but they always know what to do. Down with and!
              1. afire
                afire 22 August 2013 14: 17 New
                +1
                Well, I wanted him to answer, and here hats hats hats were repaired laughing
              2. grafrozow
                grafrozow 22 August 2013 21: 15 New
                +2
                Quote: matRoss
                How about whom? This is it about GDP. Fodder liberalstysh fierce.
                Dive deeper. Today is just the consequences.
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 22 August 2013 21: 02 New
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            but they forgot the Russian Fuhrer? Or were they modest?
            Alexander, what are you talking about? If yes, then I’m with you. For morons the main thing is a complete bowl, but what is in the bowl is another question. drinks
        3. ivshubarin
          ivshubarin 22 August 2013 12: 01 New
          +4
          Why spend bullets on them, give out a broom to everyone, let the streets sweep or at a construction site knead the solution
        4. Shadowcat
          Shadowcat 22 August 2013 12: 15 New
          +3
          Let's shoot? why spend the state budget on bullets, raster team, doctors and funeral team, etc.?
          In shackles and dig the Baltic-Pacific Channel!
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 22 August 2013 21: 24 New
            +2
            Quote: ShadowCat
            Let's shoot? why spend the state budget on bullets, raster team, doctors and funeral team, etc.?
            In shackles and dig the Baltic-Pacific Channel!

            You are an enthusiast, dear, come to restore 501 construction, "hostels" are waiting for you. Photo is fresh, July 18, 2013. Waiting for ..
        5. optimist
          optimist 22 August 2013 13: 05 New
          +6
          You forgot to start the list with our great "guarantor". Under the "sensitive" leadership of which all of the above and flourish ...
        6. NSG42
          NSG42 22 August 2013 13: 10 New
          +1
          The last one - several times, otherwise I can’t look at VESTI.
        7. vlad767
          vlad767 22 August 2013 19: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: afire
          Hit list
          Roman Abramovich
          Viktor Vekselberg
          Alfred Koch
          Anatoly Chubais
          Leonid Gozman
          Anatoly Serdyukov
          Vladimir Bakin
          Vladimir Yakunin
          Andrey Gordeev
          Vasily Anisimov
          Love Sliska
          Igor Tinkov
          Dmitry Medvedev
          complement ...

          Complementing ...
          Mikhail Gorbachev (this is above all)
          complement further ...

          I offer another list of mentally ill people:
          Bulk
          Nemtsov
          Novodvorskaya
          Alekseeva
          Kasparov
          Hesse
          all kinds of feminists
          complement too ...
        8. 31231
          31231 22 August 2013 19: 45 New
          0
          At the expense of Vekselberg I do not agree. The enterprises working and working under it are satisfied. After surrendering SUAL to Rusal Deripaska, their earnings fell there. Whereas in Renova people work and do not complain.
      2. Dimych
        Dimych 22 August 2013 10: 01 New
        +2
        ... Kvachkov.
      3. old man54
        old man54 22 August 2013 13: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Nadyt
        In general, it is difficult to trust the authorities, under which Chubais did not have a single criminal record. This is indicative of how they treat Chubais, Serdyukov, etc., and how they treated Budanov, Khabarov.

        Yes ... you are absolutely right, colleague!
        The title of the article touches: "The Government of the Russian Federation: saving must begin from the bottom." That is, “upstairs”, as they stole, they should continue to steal, but let the “lower classes” tighten the belt, the economy is no matter how! bully
        Video in the subject like nowhere!
      4. Mahamont
        Mahamont 22 August 2013 15: 10 New
        +3
        In Russia, a very great distrust of the people in their power, in officials. This can end only in the fact that either the people will reduce their livestock, or they themselves will be reduced in an incomprehensible way.
        1. oven67
          oven67 22 August 2013 19: 39 New
          +1
          In all so-called democracies have, have been and will continue to distrust the authorities. Example: US hype about wiretapping and tracking people. The authorities explain, this is for your good, this is to fight terrorism, etc. .. But the people do not believe that the data obtained will be used for the benefit of its security, for goals voiced by the government.
    2. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 22 August 2013 09: 23 New
      20
      Interesting features of the economy of Belarus:

      Foreign tourist guides often call to go to Belarus to use the time machine: they say, there is still communism in the country. This, of course, is an exaggeration, but there is much more in common between today's Belarus and the BSSR than in most post-Soviet states. Many principles of the Soviet economy were preserved in Minsk, albeit with small metamorphoses: the planned economy of state-owned enterprises, state standard specifications, subbotniks, and schoolchildren and students traveling for potatoes.

      Now Belarus is in crisis, and many leaders of the state, including President Lukashenko himself, are sure that iron discipline at enterprises and protectionist measures to protect their own market from imports will save the country from financial collapse. But in Minsk, more obvious rudiments of the Soviet era have been preserved.
      This year, Minsk teachers and students will help in harvesting, said Alena Poplavskaya, spokeswoman for the education department of the Minsk Oblast Executive Committee, “Help was organized as part of the campaign“ Let's harvest the crops to the grain, ”which has become a tradition for the Minsk region. labor and recreation camps, as well as students of vocational schools and secondary special educational institutions. "

      In general, Belarusian schoolchildren and students regularly help state farms to harvest in late summer or early fall. In the Minsk region alone, there are now 16 labor and leisure camps, which employ about 250 schoolchildren. They work in grain stores, are engaged in landscaping. A little less than 2 thousand Russian rubles are paid per month for such work.

      Thousands of schoolchildren and students at the beginning of the school year work completely free. Many universities still send in September all first-year students to harvest potatoes and beets. It is believed that this helps the new student team to unite. Tens of thousands of students at the universities of Vitebsk, Grodno and Brest in September go for potatoes, for which they are paid about 1,6 thousand rubles as compensation for the month. Even students of paid departments are sent to harvest. "This duty cannot be avoided. If a student refuses, he can be left to work inside the university - to be painted. If he refuses even this, then it is likely that he will be expelled for poor performance during the first session," says an 18-year-old student at Vitebsk University Oleg.
      Children themselves willingly go "to work". Someone expects to make money on new sneakers, someone on a cheap mobile phone, someone on a camera. “But I just have nothing to do in Minsk in the summer, I have nowhere to breathe air. So at least I’ll earn money for cigarettes and buy in the river,” says tenth grader Vladimir, who has been going to such camps for the third year. “You can still eat strawberries for free while you collect” .

      very good practice! And the main thing is nothing new, everything has long been invented and justified back in the USSR ...

      1. Z.A.M.
        Z.A.M. 22 August 2013 10: 11 New
        +8
        w.ebdo.g
        Thank you for the information posted.
        And there is someone to take an example from, but not to anyone. It's a pity...
      2. poquello
        poquello 22 August 2013 19: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        [B]

        Thousands of schoolchildren and students at the beginning of the school year work completely free.
        [b] very good practice! And the main thing is nothing new, everything has long been invented and justified back in the USSR ... [/ b]



        Do they not give you work in Russia for free, or are you offended that others do not work for free?
      3. Revolver
        Revolver 22 August 2013 20: 02 New
        -1
        Quote: w.ebdo.g
        And the main thing is nothing new, everything has long been invented and justified back in the USSR ...

        Quote: L. I. Brezhnev
        The economy must be economical.
        hi
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    5. Andrey312
      Andrey312 22 August 2013 09: 28 New
      -19
      Quote: GreatRussia
      One dirty trick by the name of Kudrin was thrown out of the Kremlin, now she is crap on the “swamp”. The same dirty trick appeared.
      "A holy place is never empty".
      The liberal lobby in the Kremlin is essentially a dragon with several heads. You cut down one, it grows immediately.
      Is it time to chop to the root?

      The merits of Kudrin as Minister of Finance are recognized both in Russia and in the world, including by our current president. And here you have taken one and his many years of work have been rated as "crap" ... Perhaps you are better at understanding the country's finances ....
      1. Andrey312
        Andrey312 22 August 2013 11: 47 New
        -2
        Judging by the number of minuses, we have here all the finance ministers and Nobel laureates in economics, and they all know how to manage the state’s economy, and they all know how to do it. And from the word LIBERAL, the eyes fill with blood, blood pressure rises and shortness of breath begins .... Boo-ha-ha ... and what makes Kudrin bad, besides being a liberal, they will probably not be able to answer .... fool budget policy, however, he was very conservative, the budget was reduced with a surplus and the economy was growing all the time ....
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        2. Magadan
          Magadan 22 August 2013 15: 25 New
          10
          Dear Andrey! And since when has the economy suddenly become SCIENCE? To understand it? Philosov on the philosopher drives the philosopher, that's all your economics.
          As far as I remember, everyone makes terribly smart faces and draw scary curves with parabolas and "prophesy" something there. Let’s say, like a thread, like a worker-peasant: we will judge the enthil philosophers by the fruits. For some reason, there were no such problems with the “worthless planned Soviet” economy, and this despite the fact that they managed to maintain military parity with NATO, help blacks and take out Soviet children to the Black Sea every year to rest.
          1. Andrey312
            Andrey312 22 August 2013 15: 58 New
            +3
            Do you really think that there is no need to understand the economy? And I did not say anything about the pros and cons of a planned economy. This is a topic for a separate discussion ...
          2. ksan
            ksan 22 August 2013 22: 05 New
            +4
            Dear Magadan! Economics has always been SCIENCE. And to lead the government you need an economist and not a philosopher, a lawyer. Reflecting on the themes: "grass is green and sky is blue" and proposes to "increase the degree of responsibility well, at least to 40." I mean that this very “degree” is somewhere around 0. And during the USSR, in his best years, this was what economist economists were doing, and not upstart like-minded friends and acquaintances at the institute.
    6. zvereok
      zvereok 22 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +5
      1. I treat Kudrin very well, at least because our country in 2008 did not collapse, thanks to his actions. Can you imagine the 5-6 Olympiads (on the scale of theft) in 2008?

      2. Kudrin left, because of disagreements with Medvedev, because he understood that the funds put in at Skolkovo without proper control were lost funds. And on the basis of this, he constantly cursed, incl. and live with Bear, which is precisely the Liberal-thieves evil.
      1. Andrey312
        Andrey312 22 August 2013 10: 06 New
        +7
        It turns out similar statements from the current Ministry of Finance or to raise the electoral rating of Putin, which will not give these plans a move, or another stone in the garden of the Medvedev government with its subsequent resignation. There are reasons and reasons. Another 1-2 quarters without economic growth + such statements = the rating of the Medvedev government, which is already not high, will fall below the plinth => Medvedev goes to steer Skolkov, Kudrin is the chairman of the government.
        1. ksan
          ksan 22 August 2013 22: 16 New
          0
          I don’t know about Siluanov’s thoughts about Putin’s rating, but the government (this) is heading for its “collapse” for sure. And Putin will have to change them so that they don’t talk about a “tandem.” And it’s possible to initiate the resignation Thought.
      2. vadimN
        vadimN 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
        10
        Quote: zvereok
        Kudrin left, because of disagreements with Medvedev, because he understood that the funds put in at Skolkovo without proper control were lost funds. And on the basis of this, he constantly cursed, incl. and live with Bear, which is precisely the Liberal-thieves evil.


        This is so, but only one side of the issue, and not the most important one. As Kudrin himself said, the main reason for the disagreement is the huge and exorbitant (in his opinion) expenditures on defense and weapons. Skolkovo compared with this - a penny.
        In addition, it was Kudrin who pursued a policy of withdrawing capital from the country and investing it in US debt obligations. That is, our money was supported by the rotten bankrupt USA. Look at the official statistics, in which the funds of the stabilization fund were invested, and everything will be clear. It is for this (for supporting the US economy, and not for nothing else, that Kudrin was recognized as the best financier of the year (or decades, I can’t remember already).
        Also, remember where he went after his resignation? To the swamp belolentochnoy shushara. A decent and patriotic person, even if he doesn’t agree with the authorities in which he himself worked, having retired, will not go to the camp of his enemies to water the shit of his former colleagues. The principle "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" is not the principle of a decent person.
        1. ksan
          ksan 22 August 2013 22: 22 New
          +1
          Vadim, I completely agree about Kudrin. And the new government, and I have no doubt in retirement, will be more likely a coalition than a party one.
      3. fzr1000
        fzr1000 22 August 2013 12: 10 New
        16
        And until 2008, you have no complaints against Kudrin? And to give money to banks without control for allegedly "maintaining liquidity" when they quickly sent them to the MICEX? And to sit on a bag of money, such as vseravno plunder, when in Russia the infrastructure is bent? What about storing another ton of money in US Treasury bonds? And Kudrin, that he himself established control over the spending of budget funds, and Medvedev destroyed this control with his Skolkovo? Why is Kudrin so good, in your opinion? Maybe only because he is the best among the worst? Or maybe the fact that Kudrin received higher economic education worked in the administration of the mayor of St. Petersburg, Anatoly Sobchak. He headed and coordinated the joint work of St. Petersburg economists and financiers with the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, with the World Bank.
        In 1996, he began working in the administration of President Boris Yeltsin?
        1. Andrey312
          Andrey312 22 August 2013 12: 42 New
          -1
          Quote: fzr1000
          And until 2008, you have no complaints against Kudrin? And to give money to banks without control for allegedly "maintaining liquidity" when they quickly sent them to the MICEX? And to sit on a bag of money, such as vseravno plunder, when in Russia the infrastructure is bent? What about storing another ton of money in US Treasury bonds? And Kudrin, that he himself established control over the spending of budget funds, and Medvedev destroyed this control with his Skolkovo? Why is Kudrin so good, in your opinion? Maybe only because he is the best among the worst? Or maybe the fact that Kudrin received higher economic education worked in the administration of the mayor of St. Petersburg, Anatoly Sobchak. He headed and coordinated the joint work of St. Petersburg economists and financiers with the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, with the World Bank.
          In 1996, he began working in the administration of President Boris Yeltsin?

          And until 2008, you have no complaints against Kudrin?
          ---Do you have? Budget surplus and economic growth. Is this not an indicator of effectiveness? Or can you evaluate it differently?
          And to give money to banks without control for allegedly "maintaining liquidity" when they quickly sent them to the MICEX?
          --- And what about bank failures? Deceived investors and flight from deposits? There was no liquidity crisis !!! if it was not possible to maintain the banking system, everything would be much worse ... Banks send money to where you can earn
          And to sit on a bag of money, such as vseravno plunder, when in Russia the infrastructure is bent?
          --- What kind of infrastructure are you talking about? Repairing a road in a mukhosk is the concern of the local administration, and replacing sewer pipes is the concern of the management company, replacing power lines is the concern of the energy company. What infrastructure was Kudrin supposed to give money for? On the way to the APEC Summit? Well, they built a shitty road, well, someone earned, and what’s where the proffit is for you and the economy as a whole?
          What about storing another ton of money in US Treasury bonds?
          --- What to store? In rubles? In gold? How to ensure safety from inflation, liquidity? Tell me, I'll take it into service ....
          And Kudrin, that he himself established control over the spending of budget funds, and Medvedev destroyed this control with his Skolkovo?
          --- Budget funds under Kudrin were without control? Have not seen. About Skolkovo and Medvedev, I did not write anything.
          Why is Kudrin so good, in your opinion? Maybe only because he is the best among the worst?
          --- Budget surplus and economic growth. Is this not an indicator of effectiveness? Or can you evaluate it differently?
          Or maybe the fact that Kudrin received higher economic education worked in the administration of the mayor of St. Petersburg Anatoly Sobchak. He headed and coordinated the joint work of St. Petersburg economists and financiers with the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, with the World Bank.
          In 1996, he began working in the administration of President Boris Yeltsin?
          --- Many worked in the administration of Sobchak. So what?
          NOT ONE CONSTRUCTIVE PHRASE .......
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 22 August 2013 13: 03 New
            +7
            Budget surplus and economic growth. Is this not an indicator of effectiveness? Or can you evaluate it differently?

            If you think this pearl is a “constructive” phrase (since when is the country's economic growth an indicator of the Ministry of Finance’s performance?), Then “write ischo.” The rest is simply reluctant to discuss. I don’t have a secretary. wink

            Threat In gold at that time it was much more effective to store in gold than in green waste paper. You can take it into service. Until. tongue
            1. Andrey312
              Andrey312 22 August 2013 13: 42 New
              -3
              Quote: fzr1000
              Budget surplus and economic growth. Is this not an indicator of effectiveness? Or can you evaluate it differently?

              If this pearl is a “constructive” phrase in your opinion (since when is the country's economic growth an indicator of the Ministry of Finance’s performance?), Then write “ischo”.

              In your opinion, the Ministry of Finance is not related to the growth or decline of the economy? And under Kudrin, did the economy grow not “thanks” but “contrary”? You never proposed performance criteria ... better not to write anything than any nonsense .....


              Quote: fzr1000
              Threat In gold at that time it was much more effective to store in gold than in green waste paper. You can take it into service.


              There it is, however! No profitability in the past guarantees future profitability. Maybe the Russian economy has suffered huge losses from investments in the same muscles? How much did you specifically lose? How did this affect the lives of ordinary citizens? Why do we continue to store, and do not buy gold for everything at once? but will not gold grow in value after our intention? it’s too complicated matter, what would you take and say like this .... I hear a ringing - I don’t know where it is!
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 22 August 2013 13: 59 New
                +4
                If you wish, you can find a document on the parameters for evaluating the work of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. There is no smell of the graph of "economic growth."
                Gold was underestimated in the early 2000s, just as it is now overestimated, but not so much. And the primary task of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank is not to play on the market, extracting speculative profits, but to preserve the accumulated. This is a discovery for you, well, let it be so. ALL.
                1. Andrey312
                  Andrey312 22 August 2013 15: 06 New
                  +1
                  Quote: fzr1000
                  If you wish, you can find a document on the parameters for evaluating the work of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation. There is no smell of the graph of "economic growth."
                  Gold was underestimated in the early 2000s, just as it is now overestimated, but not so much. And the primary task of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank is not to play on the market, extracting speculative profits, but to preserve the accumulated. This is a discovery for you, well, let it be so. ALL.

                  Well, that’s it. So be it. The Ministry of Finance does not affect the country's economy in any way, but only deals, which saves the accumulated. And there are only suckers, because they didn’t buy gold at a minimum and did not sell at a maximum. Well, yes, this is not their task.
          2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 13: 37 New
            11
            Quote: Andrey312
            --Do you have? Budget surplus and economic growth. Is this not an indicator of effectiveness?

            This is not a shit an indicator of effectiveness. Because economic growth was not due to, but in fact contrary to Kudrin's policy, the Ministry of Finance did not stimulate the country's economy. No way. If you don’t understand what it’s about, I recommend that you study how wide government orders inspired by Roosevelt pulled the United States out of the swamp of the Great Depression. I propose to pay special attention to the Roosevelt law on the restoration of the national economy from July 16 to 1933.
            Budget surplus? Pfff ... so it was achieved by artificially cutting government spending. And how does the government sequestrate the budget? It, dear, will not offend itself. The costs of education, medicine, defense, and infrastructure were sequestered (there are almost no private roads in the Russian Federation, they are ordered to be built / repaired by either the federals or the regionals), etc. on the other hand, the egg is full.
            And well, he would have placed this little egg at least in his own, Russian banks, at least stimulating his own economy. so no - Kudrin, well done, clever Kudrin (so that he could get a frying pan hotter), he bought from a belly with imported pieces of paper - US bonds. It turned out to be a form of idiocy - while the domestic banking system was forced to attract exorbitant bank loans from abroad, we loaned this same “abroad” money, for a much lower percentage! While our presidents pulled us into the WTO and into open competition with imported goods, our ministry of finance didn’t provide our economy with any competitive loans at all - it’s easy, in your opinion, to compete with any thread of a state-owned company when they use credit for half the percentage of ours? What about investment lending? They had it, we have ... let's say, it appeared too, but it became much more accessible after the 2008 crisis.
            Quote: Andrey312
            if it was not possible to maintain the banking system, everything would be much worse ...

            The problem is that Kudrin’s policy did not support the banking industry at all. He just robbed these guys less than the production workers.
            I repeat, instead of providing banks with cheap money, he forced them to seek financing abroad, to resort to huge loans
            You just don’t understand that in Western countries about 1 Euro of money supply falls on 1 Euro of gross domestic product. They have a LOT of money. And we had 25 kopecks of money supply per ruble of GDP under Kudrin. Just that. That is why our loans were unlike Western ones - banks did NOT have enough money. Kudrin actually organized an artificial cash shortage in the Russian economy, and go to the West for all the cries that we would respond to investments. Ask the West ... This creation never understood and does not understand now that the RF BUDGET should be used FOR THE GOOD COUNTRY. He considered the budget of the Russian Federation as a kind of corporation that needed to somehow get along with Russian banks, manufacturers and traders, in which he saw only annoying hindrances to his budget.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 13: 38 New
              +8
              When the budget of the Russian Federation was in short supply, Kudrin NEVER and did NOTHING to increase budget revenues. He did not think about how to INCREASE INCOME, he only thought about how to cut expenses. Unclear? If you don’t have enough money for a car, you can buy a bicycle for yourself, or you can learn a little and find a job with a sufficiently high pay, which will allow you to pay for a car. So Kudrin spent his entire ministerial life on a bicycle.
              Quote: Andrey312
              What infrastructure was Kudrin supposed to give money for?

              Once again - see the actions of Roosevelt and the Federal Emergency Relief Administration organized by him.
              Quote: Andrey312
              What to store? In rubles? In gold? How to ensure safety from inflation, liquidity? Tell me, I'll take it into service ....

              Money DO NOT be stored. This is economic idiocy. Money needs to be put into circulation and make them profit. If you are not able to put the money you have in circulation, you bring it to the bank, because the bank is ABLE to put money into circulation (it lends to manufacturers) and, having earned 10% per annum, will give half of the amount earned to you for lending bank, the rest will be left to himself. If you could lend to the manufacturer yourself, you would receive not 5% but 10%. If Kudrin was the Minister of Finance, and not a three-finger figure, he would reinvest funds in the domestic economy.
              not all of course. The country should have had some kind of insurance reserve, but not at all as inflated as it was under Kudrin. You do not understand that if the money of the stabilization fund were invested in the domestic economy instead of imported, then there would be no 2008 banking crisis (arising from the fact that imported banks began to withdraw their funds from domestic banks) simply would not exist, at least on such a scale.
              Quote: Andrey312
              Budget funds under Kudrin were without control? Have not seen.

              What do you understand under control? What, the Ministry of Finance was once able to verify the validity of payments, for example, of the same subsidized republics ?! Yes, Kudrin knew how much he was paying. But I didn’t know why. There was at least one case when the specialists of the Ministry of Finance would sit down with a thread in the region and start asking vicious questions - what are the subsidies for? for construction? And at what prices? How much are you going to build? And how much did they build? And why do you have construction prices 4 times higher than in the Sverdlovsk region?
              Where is the analytics of the effectiveness of spending subsidies? Where is the analytics of the effectiveness of spending money on medicine? Salary to doctors raised? To whom? To those who defend at the 16 surgical table for hours a day, or to the defamkas from the numerous supervisory structures who themselves do not treat anyone, but they "watch" the doctors?
              So do not say that Kudrin controlled something there. For such "controls" he would have flown from any industrial enterprise in 3 months of work maximum.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 14: 18 New
                +8
                And the last one. Roughly speaking, there are two approaches to managing a market economy at the macro level - Keynesian and monetary. The Keynesian approach obliges the state to stimulate the economy in the direction it needs through government orders and other ways of actively influencing the market. Kudrin did not do this. The monetary approach is that the market will do everything itself, you just need to regulate the money supply in circulation. Since, compared with Western countries, we have almost four times less money per unit of goods, feel free to consider that Kudrin also failed monetary policy.
                Here we have such a minische. Best in Europe, yes.
                1. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 22 August 2013 22: 21 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                  Here we have such a minische. Best in Europe, yes.

                  Bravo Andrey ...
                2. ksan
                  ksan 22 August 2013 22: 44 New
                  +3
                  Here we have such a minische. Best in Europe, yes.
                  I agree with Adrey, and the best in the "American" version means the enemy of Russia. Remember Gorbachev - the Nobel Peace Prize, the "Politician of the Decade" Time magazine. For the disarmament and collapse of his country.
              2. Andrey312
                Andrey312 22 August 2013 14: 38 New
                0
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                When the budget of the Russian Federation was in short supply, Kudrin NEVER and did NOTHING to increase budget revenues. He did not think about how to INCREASE INCOME, he only thought about how to cut expenses.

                How can he increase budget revenues? Due to increased taxes and fees? Or once again privatize something from state ownership? Raising taxes on a business that is already not very strong will only increase its costs and make it go into the shadows ... You can only increase the severance tax, but I think that a certain group of people would not be very happy about this. Privatization is a separate issue. A larger economy can bring more income.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Money DO NOT be stored. This is economic idiocy. Money needs to be put into circulation and make them profit. If you are not able to put the money you have in circulation, you bring it to the bank, because the bank is ABLE to put money into circulation (it lends to manufacturers) and, having earned 10% per annum, will give half of the amount earned to you for lending bank, the rest will be left to himself. If you could lend to the manufacturer yourself, you would receive not 5% but 10%. If Kudrin was the Minister of Finance, and not a three-finger figure, he would reinvest funds in the domestic economy.
                not all of course. The country should have had some kind of insurance reserve, but not at all as inflated as it was under Kudrin. You do not understand that if the money of the stabilization fund were invested in the domestic economy instead of imported, then there would be no 2008 banking crisis (arising from the fact that imported banks began to withdraw their funds from domestic banks) simply would not exist, at least on such a scale.

                However, US bonds are all bought and bought by different countries just for storage. The crisis of 2008 is also a separate issue and I am not sure that it arose because imported banks began to withdraw their funds from domestic banks. There is no definite answer like “take everything and give it to the banks - let them lend”, especially in the conditions of our commodity economy and inflation. Economic processes are too much tied to each other.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                What do you understand under control? What, the Ministry of Finance was once able to verify the validity of payments, for example, of the same subsidized republics ?! Yes, Kudrin knew how much he was paying. But I didn’t know why. There was at least one case when the specialists of the Ministry of Finance would sit down with a thread in the region and start asking vicious questions - what are the subsidies for? for construction? And at what prices? How much are you going to build? And how much did they build? And why do you have construction prices 4 times higher than in the Sverdlovsk region?
                Where is the analytics of the effectiveness of spending subsidies? Where is the analytics of the effectiveness of spending money on medicine? Salary to doctors raised? To whom? To those who defend at the 16 surgical table for hours a day, or to the defamkas from the numerous supervisory structures who themselves do not treat anyone, but they "watch" the doctors?
                So do not say that Kudrin controlled something there. For such "controls" he would have flown from any industrial enterprise in 3 months of work maximum.

                I myself am interested in the fact that the comrade whom I quoted understood under control. I agree with what you wrote. But it’s not the Ministry of Finance that sets up sn for doctors, and it’s hard for Kudrin to assess how much a doctor should receive. This is the concern of min health. Not about cutting the budget dough - it's the prosecutor’s business.
            2. Andrey312
              Andrey312 22 August 2013 14: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              This is not a shit an indicator of effectiveness. Because economic growth was not due to, but in fact contrary to Kudrin's policy, the Ministry of Finance did not stimulate the country's economy. No way. If you don’t understand what it’s about, I recommend that you study how wide government orders inspired by Roosevelt pulled the United States out of the swamp of the Great Depression. I propose to pay special attention to the Roosevelt law on the restoration of the national economy from July 16 to 1933.

              You mentioned the great depression, we had growth at that time and there was no depression. Now there is no growth. Perhaps a government order would come in handy. But in infrastructure? In which? Investments should give impetus to growth, create jobs, reduce costs. When building the road, for whom will we create places? For residents of neighboring countries. And that it will bring us. I’m not saying that roads do not need to be built, but it seems to me that apart from roads there are also branches in the economy that would not be in the way of an infusion of funds. Well, this is a topic for a separate conversation. And the Ministry of Finance can and should influence the economy in order to control the processes of growth or not growth.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The problem is that Kudrin’s policy did not support the banking industry at all. He just robbed these guys less than the production workers.
              I repeat, instead of providing banks with cheap money, he forced them to seek financing abroad, to resort to huge loans

              Here we can agree that it is not very good that the banks borrowed abroad. But at the same time, the presence of a large amount of money in the economy, in addition to increasing financial activity, will also increase inflation. There is a very thin line that cannot be crossed.
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              While our presidents pulled us into the WTO and into open competition with imported goods, our ministry of finance didn’t provide our economy with any competitive loans at all - it’s easy, in your opinion, to compete with any thread of a state-owned company when they use credit for half the percentage of ours? What about investment lending? They had it, we have ... let's just say, it appeared too, but much became accessible after the crisis of 2008.

              Competition with Western companies is a separate issue. Here, in addition to loans, you need to take into account that the costs of salaries and social benefits are 4 times higher. But here again, everything is interconnected and not so simple
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 14: 32 New
                +3
                Quote: Andrey312
                You mentioned the great depression, we had growth at that time and there was no depression.

                But there was a wildest need for both stimulating the economy and developing important high-tech and other industries important for the Russian Federation. Despite the growth of the economy (although ... I would have been very accurate with the official figures, we have always underestimated inflation, due to which the growth rate of the economy was growing) a number of industries, such as shipbuilding, aircraft manufacturing, instrument making, defense and others continued to stagnate.
                Quote: Andrey312
                I’m not saying that roads do not need to be built, but it seems to me that apart from roads, there are also sectors in the economy that would not hurt the infusion of funds

                And I absolutely agree with you, but there was no investment anywhere at all.
                Quote: Andrey312
                But at the same time, the presence of a large amount of money in the economy, in addition to increasing financial activity, will also increase inflation. There is a very thin line that cannot be crossed.

                That's right, but understand that if a country produces goods, for example, for a trillion rubles and this production is provided by a trillion paper / non-cash rubles, then such a country has an overwhelming competitive advantage over a country that produces goods for the same trillion rubles with 250 billion money supply.
                the artificial limitation of the money supply itself drives inflation - the need for money is great, so only highly profitable projects are financed, and at high bank interest rates. bank money is the same product as everything else, and the supply / demand curves act on it in exactly the same way as it does on a tractor and oil. without sufficient money supply, we cannot count on lower interest rates. And those rates are not earned by us, but by a foreign uncle who gives money at interest. Of course, I exaggerate a little, but in fact - that's right.
                Quote: Andrey312
                Competition with Western companies is a separate issue. Here, in addition to loans, it must be borne in mind that the costs of salaries and social benefits are 4 times higher

                so they have higher labor efficiency (although ... this is also a topic for another discussion :)))) Not everywhere they have it higher, and not always :))))
                1. Andrey312
                  Andrey312 22 August 2013 15: 41 New
                  +2
                  Summarizing all of the above, I want to note that the economic processes in the country and the world are complex and diverse. And the activities of the people who influence them are complex and responsible. In addition, we (well, at least most people) do not have the entirety of information to evaluate the correctness and motivation of certain decisions made that affect the economy. And yet, if certain groups of people who influence it in their interests are added to the state’s economic policy, then all the theoretical models of economic development are going to hell ... And therefore, an unambiguous assessment by a non-specialist of many years of work of a person in one word would "Shit" at least not complete and not correct. One thing is good that there are people on the forum who can not only put a minus, but also somehow motivate it ....))
        2. Yarosvet
          Yarosvet 22 August 2013 13: 07 New
          +6
          Quote: fzr1000
          And until 2008, you have no complaints against Kudrin?
          And where does his opinion?

          You ask this - he approves the appointment of finance ministers laughing
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 22 August 2013 13: 17 New
            +2
            Is Putin an expert in finance? I didn’t know. I will consider.
            1. Yarosvet
              Yarosvet 22 August 2013 19: 22 New
              +3
              Quote: fzr1000
              Is Putin an expert in finance? I didn’t know. I will consider.

              Putin in finance can be anyone - the bottom line is:
    7. T-100
      T-100 22 August 2013 10: 00 New
      13
      I would save even more !!!!
      first: To cut down the State Duma from parasites, we all saw a photo where one is sleeping, the other is reading the third, something else is being done - to kick such people with a kick in disgrace, leaving only those who really work
      Second: Reduce the financing of Skolkovo and Rusnano, as well as clean up any hardware debris
      The third : Cut back on 60% subsidies for the North Caucasian republics
      Fourth: Stop buying at the expense of the state-owned state-owned car for officials from them and they’ll have enough to buy them
      Conclusion I can’t calculate exactly how much this will save, but I’m sure a lot !!!!
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 22 August 2013 11: 18 New
        +1
        Quote: T-100
        First: To cut off the State Duma from parasites, we all saw a photo where one is sleeping, the other is reading the third, something else is being done - to kick such people with a kick in disgrace, leaving only those who really work

        so what is the problem? Join a political party, vote in elections and everything will be ......
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 12: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: ziqzaq
          vote in the elections and everything will be ......

          nothing will happen until the Duma on the party lists gaining.
    8. Mairos
      Mairos 22 August 2013 10: 33 New
      +8
      Hmm .. It's time to attract the ice axes, not expecting the liberals to leave with the "Mexico" with the "London". I always thought and still think that people with commercial thinking should not even be allowed to take control of the state for a cannon shot — they are not able to see anything but a pair of “income-expense”, well, so their brains are imprisoned. Despite the fact that they can be great entrepreneurs.
      1. Airman
        Airman 22 August 2013 12: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Mairos
        Hmm .. It's time to attract the ice axes, not expecting the liberals to leave with the "Mexico" with the "London". I always thought and still think that people with commercial thinking should not even be allowed to take control of the state for a cannon shot — they are not able to see anything but a pair of “income-expense”, well, so their brains are imprisoned. Despite the fact that they can be great entrepreneurs.

        They are great ENTREPRENEURS.
    9. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 10: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: GreatRussia
      One dirty trick by the name of Kudrin was thrown out of the Kremlin, now she is crap on the “swamp”. The same dirty trick appeared.
      "A holy place is never empty".
      The liberal lobby in the Kremlin is essentially a dragon with several heads. You cut down one, it grows immediately.
      Is it time to chop to the root?

      Do they not understand that “saving” from below can lead to a revolution from below, or maybe they achieve this, so that later they “blame” them for a hill?
    10. duke
      duke 22 August 2013 11: 00 New
      +5
      in general, surprisingly, Medvedev steers and he himself is surprised that the deficit is growing ... that really is all the dew of God
      1. poquello
        poquello 22 August 2013 19: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: duke
        in general, surprisingly, Medvedev steers and he himself is surprised that the deficit is growing ... that really is all the dew of God

        This "child in time" often on TV channels - probably already preparing for the elections.
    11. fzr1000
      fzr1000 22 August 2013 12: 02 New
      +2
      Siluanov is an ordinary man ... from the accounting department out of place. You need to think about how to fill the revenue side of the budget, and not just reduce the spending side. With this approach, there will be no development of the country. He doesn’t manage the tent.
      1. duke
        duke 25 August 2013 18: 40 New
        0
        it is clear that a little torment, by chance, got to a high post, and there you must excuse me. If there was common sense, well, well, you don’t do it yourself, well, collect experts and brainstorm ... alas, this is not enough ...
    12. Civil
      Civil 22 August 2013 12: 04 New
      +7
      Father taught that saving a lot of mind is not necessary, and you better earn more, and this chief accountant will save on children and education than cutting dividends of oil and gas oligarchs
      1. SPLV
        SPLV 22 August 2013 19: 19 New
        +1
        In order to earn more, you must engage in trade! All laws and decrees of the last quarter century in Russia are created for this. Real taxes on salaries are not 13 high-profile, but real 50%. For the employer and employee, in total, of course. How many new enterprises for the production of real products are created in the country by local citizens? I mean not sawmills, jewelry and shoe workshops, but factories that make electronics, cars, machine tools without foreign components, including fiens ones. Personally, I don't know a single one. But PE and LLC sales of hundreds of thousands. I can’t name the Duma (with a capital letter) or the Ministry of Finance or another agency a really working body for the good of the country.
        A country living on kickbacks - where are you going?
    13. kosmos44
      kosmos44 22 August 2013 18: 24 New
      +2
      Government of the Russian Federation: savings need to start from below


      Well yes! We’ll start right from the nursery plants! Goats .... s!
    14. ksan
      ksan 22 August 2013 21: 35 New
      +1
      I am almost sure that this “cabinet” will not survive until the new year. After the “holidays” the Communists will come, rest, gain new strength and plans, and once again demand the resignation of the government. And by the fall, they (the government) will do more “shoals” and the Communists will have “allies” in the person of Spvedlivorossov, Odnomandatnikov and possibly LDPR will sign and then exactly “kirdyk” hi
    15. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 22 August 2013 23: 33 New
      0
      wonderful interview with bulk)))

  2. Oskar
    Oskar 22 August 2013 07: 45 New
    19
    The fish has completely rotted from the head, but wants to save “from below”! ??!
    1. andrei332809
      andrei332809 22 August 2013 07: 56 New
      12
      Quote: Oskar
      The fish has completely rotted from the head, but wants to save “from below” !?

      Yes, the fish rots from the head, but they clean it from the tail. in high offices they probably don’t know that not all of Russia's population has died yet.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 22 August 2013 08: 12 New
        +7
        They will be full of it! Pumping oil and gas over the hill of the people is not required much.
      2. Oskar
        Oskar 22 August 2013 08: 13 New
        +5
        Fish is cleaned from the tail, but the head is generally separated!
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 22 August 2013 08: 36 New
          +4
          Quote: Oskar
          Fish is cleaned from the tail, but the head is generally separated!

          Read "Vanka Zhukov"! "... I ordered herring to be cleaned, and I started from the tail, and she took the herring and started to poke me in the mug with her face ..." So who needs to be poked into the mug so that you understand which end to clean?
        2. stroporez
          stroporez 22 August 2013 08: 55 New
          +7
          Quote: Oskar
          and the head is generally separated!
          --------It is high time........ am
      3. Garrin
        Garrin 22 August 2013 08: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: andrei332809
        in high offices they probably don’t know that not all of Russia's population has died yet.

        They regret it.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 22 August 2013 08: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: Oskar
      The fish has completely rotted from the head, but wants to save “from below”! ??!

      Exactly! First you need to clean it from above, like a herring, and then reach the bottom. laughing
    3. w.ebdo.g
      w.ebdo.g 22 August 2013 09: 50 New
      +7
      good news:

      In Yakutia, the last section of the Amuro-Yakutsk Highway (AMN) will soon be put into permanent operation. The general contractor for the construction of the 800-kilometer railway that connected the republic with the Baikal-Amur Mainline and the Trans-Siberian Railway is CJSC Inzhtransstroy, which is part of the Transstroy construction holding. Currently, builders are preparing the track for delivery to the customer. There are several months left until the highway is fully commissioned - work is expected to be completed by the end of 2013.
      Meanwhile, experts believe that the effect of the road would be even greater if it were extended to the north.
      In its current form, the highway cannot be considered completed. The goods will be delivered to Nizhny Bestyakh, and then their transportation will again depend on the short Yakut summer and short navigation period. Due to the lack of a railway, the north of the republic will not be able to develop; companies simply will not come there.
      According to the residents of Yakutia and the republican authorities, the Amur-Yakutsk highway should not end in Nizhny Bestyakh. It should be brought to Yakutsk and further to the northeast. It would be right to lay a plot from it to Magadan - the richest region, which, unfortunately, also does not have good transport links, which does not allow using its potential.

      Of course, all these are projects of the future, but the idea put forward as early as 1904 - to connect the two continents by rail: Eurasia and North America - fascinates many today. It would be a super project worthy of a great country.
    4. Denis
      Denis 22 August 2013 09: 54 New
      +3
      Quote: Oskar
      The fish has completely rotted from the head, but wants to save “from below”! ??!

      We take an example from Europe, encircle our people.
    5. zvereok
      zvereok 22 August 2013 09: 58 New
      +6
      Quote: Oskar
      and wants to save "from below"! ??!


      Somewhere I heard these words? Oh yes!!! under Benefis, Medvedka also said, saying: Our people are bad, subject to corruption, therefore, “We must fight corruption from below,” we say, nothing to do with, people steal.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 22 August 2013 10: 09 New
        +4
        Oskar

        The fish has completely rotted from the head, but wants to save “from below”! ??!


        From the bottom, it remains only to save on toilet paper!

        You cannot replace a newspaper - more expensive than paper, Listik - federal property - resources, ecologists will not give.
        Remains in trousers ...... so public baths altered everything under a sauna!
        We will starve! Here is the way out and the treasury good ...!
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  3. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 22 August 2013 07: 46 New
    14
    Everything is empty, as it was dragged away the budget in personal pockets and it will be so, the Country (people) is robbed openly and shamelessly.
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 08: 57 New
      12
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Everything is empty, as it was dragged away the budget in personal pockets and it will be so, the Country (people) is robbed openly and shamelessly.

      They don’t reach their guest workers, but if you collect taxes from them, then the “maternal” capital can be doubled, not canceled.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok 22 August 2013 10: 08 New
        +4
        Quote: Povshnik

        They don’t reach their guest workers, but if you collect taxes from them, then the “maternal” capital can be doubled, not canceled.


        Then there would be no such holes in the pension fund, but there would not be many charms from the use of slaves.
      2. consul
        consul 22 August 2013 10: 21 New
        +8
        Quote: Povshnik
        They don’t reach their guest workers, but if you collect taxes from them, then the “maternal” capital can be doubled, not canceled.

        While Gadzhimet Safaraliev, the head of the Duma commission on nationalities, strangers will continue to flow to Russia, by the way, he also boasts about it.
  4. koksalek
    koksalek 22 August 2013 07: 48 New
    +4
    I would say with the words of Medvedev, while maintaining the current trend of plundering and squandering, nothing good shines for us with all the attempts from above.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 22 August 2013 08: 18 New
      +1
      But I wonder, who is he talking about?
  5. Garrin
    Garrin 22 August 2013 08: 06 New
    12
    Alex, thanks for the article. I fully share your opinion. hi
    1. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 22 August 2013 10: 00 New
      +9
      Quote: Garrin
      Alex, thanks for the article. I fully share your opinion.

      I join - hi

      Here are just measures indicated to the government, free of charge laughing , for all ORDINARY PEOPLE, has longare not some kind of discovery. Perhaps only for the "rulers", they have forever: "It is better to be free than not free." (B.lya, thunderous applause ...)

      Quote: afire
      Hit list
      Roman Abramovich
      Viktor Vekselberg
      Alfred Koch
      Anatoly Chubais
      Leonid Gozman
      Anatoly Serdyukov
      Vladimir Bakin
      Vladimir Yakunin
      Andrey Gordeev
      Vasily Anisimov
      Love Sliska
      Igor Tinkov
      Dmitry Medvedev
      complement ...


      С Fishing season, at least take an explanatory ... misleading crying laughing
  6. morpogr
    morpogr 22 August 2013 08: 08 New
    12
    And to put them all on a living wage for a year and take away all the privileges, let them ride on the subway and on buses, eat potato and roast potatoes, take out benefits for paying for housing and communal services so that they can see how their laws work. We’ll save so much that there will be a surplus they feel how people live, who doesn’t understand for another year the experiment and send it to another region for comparison and diversity.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 22 August 2013 08: 11 New
      +7
      Quote: morpogr
      And to put them all on a living wage for a year and take away all the privileges ...

      I agree. Only, for starters, to reduce all this bureaucratic and deputy "army", by 70 percent.
      1. Oskar
        Oskar 22 August 2013 08: 16 New
        11
        The salary of the President should not be higher than the average for Russia (just as your people live - so you should), it’s another matter that, apparently, the current government is generally “violet” on its salary!
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 22 August 2013 08: 58 New
          12
          I think I’m not mistaken if I say "sho pay" none of the "sovereign people" have long been living ..........
  7. vadson
    vadson 22 August 2013 08: 10 New
    +5
    it's time to return to long-forgotten methods. Cutting off the hands for example, well, or to plant especially thieves on a stake.
    1. Oskar
      Oskar 22 August 2013 08: 24 New
      12
      For a long time in India there was a good (in my opinion) tradition: They tear off the skin from the bribe-taker judge and upholstered the seat of the office chair for her. A successor could never forget the fate of his predecessor! Can we do this? I represent such a "Kremlin set" at a government meeting :))). Marshal "stools" sounded literally!
  8. lotar
    lotar 22 August 2013 08: 10 New
    14
    First, bring the criminal cases of Oboronservis, Rosagroleasing, and other offices to their logical conclusion, representatives of which have spent more in recent years than Siluanov proposes to save. Yes, about the confiscation of "overwork" acquired property can not be forgotten.

    The second one. Take a walk on the documents of financial statements of any Rusnano together with Skolkovo. If there was one "speaker" Ponomarev per minute of the "report" received 20 thousand euros, then the horizons for savings are definitely impressive ...
    The third. Recall that the income of officials in Russia on average per year grows by approximately 40% faster than the average growth of incomes in the country, and therefore lead to average indicators.

    Fourth. Each federal and regional arbiter of human destinies should count all his deputies, pomps and advisers. This army alone "eats up" state grubs for billions of rubles.

    Fifth. Finally, develop mechanisms to counteract capital outflows abroad.


    I completely agree. But immediately there are questions:
    1) Who will do all this?
    2) To whom to entrust to do this?
    3) Who in the government will allow this to be done?
    Honestly, I do not have a single answer to these questions. All that I see in our government is dirt and shit wrapped in a beautiful wrapper.
  9. Sashkessss
    Sashkessss 22 August 2013 08: 15 New
    18
    They still did not look into the Caucasus. There it is just a huge financial black hole.
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 08: 53 New
      +9
      Quote: Sashkessss
      They still did not look into the Caucasus. There it is just a huge financial black hole.

      They looked in and decided to increase subsidies to the region by almost 5 times.
      1. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 22 August 2013 10: 52 New
        0
        What? Someone really believes that to wage a constant war in the Caucasus with world terrorism and fight against its spread, build borders, build a wall around the entire perimeter of the Caucasus and protect it day and night, fight terrorist attacks and their consequences throughout the country, give away deposits, Will a new pipeline around Chechnya be cheaper than subsidies?
        1. Alan
          Alan 22 August 2013 18: 31 New
          +2
          Strange logic; In your opinion, in order for Crimea to live comfortably, its residents need to start taking hostages, blowing up government structures, etc. ???
        2. Sashkessss
          Sashkessss 22 August 2013 22: 43 New
          0
          Can we recall what is happening in Chechnya?
          http://chechnyatoday.com/content/view/274502
          http://checheninfo.ru/17639-v-groznom-poyavitsya-5-zvezdochnyy-otel.html
          http://checheninfo.ru/17086-v-chechne-postroyat-esche-odin-siti.html/
          Stopudovo is Allah gave them all.
  10. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 08: 22 New
    +5
    Again, they want to recoup on retirees .. (they are already interrupted from a penny to a penny)
    First, bring the criminal cases of Oboronservis, Rosagroleasing, and other offices to their logical conclusion, representatives of which have spent more in recent years than Siluanov proposes to save. Yes, about the confiscation of "overwork" acquired property can not be forgotten.

    The second one. Take a walk on the documents of financial statements of any Rusnano together with Skolkovo. If there was one "speaker" Ponomarev per minute of the "report" received 20 thousand euros, then the horizons for savings are definitely impressive ...

    That's where the holes in the budget are !! Fat cats need to shake and not poor grandmothers but mothers !!
  11. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 08: 24 New
    21
    In general, everything is as always. The "high" Kremlin experts, in fulfillment of the prime minister’s instructions, dubiously stared for 3 of the month into a piece of paper called "budget" and now, finally, they gave birth to ... a mouse.
    How would a normal, adequate economist do it?
    Would climb INSIDE each article. What does it consist of? How many officials do we have at all levels? What is the return on them? How many subsidized regions do we have? How effectively are federal subsidies used in the regions? And if you compare the same work (say, road construction) in different regions? And see the price plug? And to check the validity of construction costs in the same Caucasus, say? And I generally am silent about the Olympics - that’s where there would be freedom for a person who knows how to add up 2 + 2 and wants to reduce government spending ... oh well, that’s all. There are many, many nonsense to which we are simply accustomed and do not even notice it.
    Here, for example, such a simple question - medical policies. In the USSR, everyone had the right to medical care. Now, in the Russian Federation - theoretically too. But for some reason come up with insurance companies and policies.
    In theory, every resident of the Russian Federation has the right to this very policy. So why fence the garden? A man comes to the hospital, shows a passport to himself, birth certificates for children ... A citizen of Russia? Yes! And that’s it, treat the comrades doctors. It is entered into the database, they keep records of admission, then the region or the federals pay for the services provided by the hospital for the period. Everything.
    So no, let's brood insurance offices, put a bunch of employees in them - for what? So that doctors who are already in short supply in the Russian Federation, instead of treating people, spend their time knocking debts out of these insurance companies by policies?
    What about taxes? They bred, green trees - pay to the pension fund, deducted from the medical staff ... 100 offices, and nafua? There are TASKS - to finance medical facilities (for which separate medical insurance offices are not really needed, a normal treasury in the region is enough) and the same pension ... Simplify the structure, instead of 13% of income and heaps of other deductions, introduce a single tax on S / N, and all these socialmedpstrains — to disperse, leaving only those employees who are involved in the business — pay a pension and transfer it to the elderly.
    Our system works, to put it mildly, very inefficiently. But to take yes and look at the work of state structures, but to establish it properly, there is no mind. Although it is the work of our bureaucracy that is just a storehouse of potential savings, there has long been a time for it to be extremely innovative to give out sequestration by yay ...
    But no. We better reduce spending on maternity capital and education.
    1. 311ove
      311ove 22 August 2013 09: 06 New
      +7
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      it is time to highly innovatively give out sequestration for egg ...

      What did I miss? Where do they teach ??! good Maybe in order not to delay the process, it’s worth just charging the “nose” in the old fashioned way wassat
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 09: 14 New
        +6
        Yes, it is possible to charge from a nosaka - in principle, albeit non-innovatively, but efficiently, proven by practice laughing
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 22 August 2013 22: 33 New
      +1
      If you understand all this, then you should clearly be aware that such a management system is the basis of the current government. No one at the top will change anything. NO ONE! You can endlessly criticize the current structure of the country and wait for change, there will be no sense ...
    3. ksan
      ksan 22 August 2013 23: 18 New
      +1
      Our system works, to put it mildly, very inefficiently. But to take yes and look at the work of state structures, but to establish it properly, there is no mind. Although it is the work of our bureaucracy that is just a storehouse of potential savings, there has long been a time for it to be highly innovative to give out sequestration for money.
      I agree with the “ineffectiveness to say the least,” and add - a huge bureaucracy, almost more than in the USSR and a “leaky” tax system (a lot of gray schemes)
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 23 August 2013 00: 58 New
        0
        Quote: ksan
        huge bureaucracyalmost more than in the USSR
        belay
  12. AK-47
    AK-47 22 August 2013 08: 25 New
    +2
    To each federal and regional actor of human destinies to count all his deputies, pomov and advisers. This army alone “feeds on” state grubs for billions of rubles.

    Not only to count, but also to employ in a socially useful field that would bring revenue to the state.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 22 August 2013 09: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: AK-47
      that would bring income
      come on you, schaub did not harm --- and then the bread
  13. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 August 2013 08: 27 New
    +7
    You need to save, but where and how? We already have more than 2 million. officials and their number is growing rapidly! Here’s one of the ways you can save — reduce the number of officials and their salaries! Raise taxes on thieving oligarchs, because everything that they possessed was created not by them, but by the people. It’s time to present bills in full. And plug the hole through which the capital flows out over the hill. Arithmetic "Pupkin with pictures" and do not have to be a "great" economist!
  14. treskoed
    treskoed 22 August 2013 08: 38 New
    +2
    Although our government is generally the focus of paradoxes, we should not be surprised.

    Maybe change the sign on the white house?
  15. 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 22 August 2013 08: 38 New
    +1
    Personally, I don’t care what the minister said there, if the presidency signs the Kanets to him as a politician.
  16. Paul
    Paul 22 August 2013 08: 44 New
    +2
    all officials on the test for the moron urgency of Dimon with Siluanov first
  17. pinecone
    pinecone 22 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +7
    Neither reduce nor add. Many thanks to the author. That's who would speak on TV. But they won’t give it, bastards.
    1. creak
      creak 22 August 2013 10: 00 New
      +3
      Absolutely correct and logical conclusions. The article is definitely a plus.
  18. IGS
    IGS 22 August 2013 08: 51 New
    +4
    All this is sad ... and scary. Nothing more to say about this theater of absurdity, especially against the backdrop of allegations of an increase in investments to the level of 200 billion in the North Caucasus.
  19. pahom54
    pahom54 22 August 2013 08: 59 New
    10
    Fat boyars sat and thought ... How else to make the people happy?
    What are the problems? Wanted to save 400 billion rubles? So make them return the money stolen by Taburetkin and his ilk to the state treasury (the amount of theft is indicated there only supposedly PROVEN by investigators, but this is the tip of the iceberg). Also, let the stolen money be returned from the "innovative" Skolkovo. Yes, let them not forget that in our country the poor pays taxes on a par with the rich, and, I note, the poor pays regularly, but the rich forgets. Yes, let the fat boyars think about a healthy lifestyle - that is, that fasting (fasting) prolongs life, and accordingly cut salaries and privileges first of all to oneself.
    Well, if maternal capital is so hindering the well-being of the Russian people, then soon Asians and Caucasians will become the main population of Russia without any capital.
    I also forgot: looking at the photographs of Grozny, it seems like it is Singapore or Dubai, or something like that ... Welfare ...
    CONCLUSION: BOYAR (and others like them) - ON THE NUMBER!
  20. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 22 August 2013 09: 03 New
    +6
    The article is sober! A plus! As the saying goes, there is nothing to add.
  21. stroporez
    stroporez 22 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +4
    I don’t understand what, they’ve “loused” with the means, and we should pay, it turns out ugly ..... though, for the fact that it was such a thing that they put it on themselves --- we are paying for it ....... well, to cheer you up, nehay vovan with dimon sho thread tryndanut about the "social orientation" of the Russian state ----- at least we will laugh ...........
  22. saag
    saag 22 August 2013 09: 06 New
    +2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In the USSR, everyone had the right to medical care. Now, in the Russian Federation - theoretically too. But for some reason came up with insurance companies and policies.

    In the days of the union, medicine was financed by states, and these same insurance policies, i.e. the population buys a certain amount of medical services, so financing comes from below ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 09: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: saag
      and these same insurance policies, i.e. the population buys a certain amount of medical services

      Well, why? I have already received so many policies, but not one for a fee.
  23. RussianRu
    RussianRu 22 August 2013 09: 06 New
    +7
    I completely agree with the author. I want to add one more point. Cut salaries to large hired directors like Chubais. Chubais’s annual income at the main place of work is 13 million 197 thousand 718 rubles 72 kopecks. And it would be time for the deputies to also lower it to the average statistical level, from the salaries of teachers, etc. .. And introduce the criminal liability of officials for the implementation of projects that are outlined by the state (not expensive and on time).
  24. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 22 August 2013 09: 08 New
    11
    “Sometimes it seems that the president gave the opportunity to form just such a cabinet, so that later he could act as a kind of giver of Goodwin. Such a government is convenient.

    "... Naturally, in news agencies there will be reports that the president did not allow the government to go against the aspirations of the people. Well, something like a child’s game" evil-kind. "


    Nobody is surprised at such a PR of GDP ...
    The correct article and the author is well done, but in my opinion did not touch on the main thing.
    The main source of budget filling is production.
    You can save, plug holes in your people openly and legally through endless fines and taxes, through slaughter tariffs, prices, etc., and then pour the tears of crocodiles before the elections on Poklonnaya Gora, promising paradise to the people of Russia. Hypocrites !! This is not an option!
    And where are the new factories, plants, where is science, nanotechnology ??
    Why do foreign investors flee from us? Why are we still purchasing agricultural products?
    And in general, where is the state itself? Where not to look - JSC, LLC, JSC, etc.
    And another million why.
    I strongly disagree with the title of the article.
    In Russia, you need to start saving from above!
    I recall the main principle of economic relations: goods - money - goods.
    No product - no money.
    I simplified everything too much, do not carp.
    Well, in the Kremlin, the Duma and the government, no one is denying anything to himself.
    "A well-fed hungry man will not understand."
    While this power is at the helm, together we tighten the straps one more hole ...
  25. mirag2
    mirag2 22 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +2
    Who has completely lost his conscience and gained the audacity to save at our expense?
    We live under capitalism, please remember.
    And besides, perverted, no one has a personal car in the capital countries except the president, and all dachas. And what remains of socialism from the bureaucrats is something left, the people have quietly taken away everything - land and oil and gas and free education (higher), and everything has remained with us in modern times, this is the root of discontent.
  26. shitovmg
    shitovmg 22 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +3
    It seems that the government and people live in different countries, speak different languages, look at each other with surprise and misunderstanding, like a cat and a bird, one ready to eat another ...
  27. DMB 1995
    DMB 1995 22 August 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    Quote: lotar
    [b] First. Bring to the logical conclusion the criminal cases of Oboronservis, Rosagroleasing, and other offices, whose representatives have spent more in recent years than Siluanov proposes to save. Yes, about the confiscation of "overwork" acquired property can not be forgotten.


    CONFISCATION FOR ECONOMIC CRIMES

    vote on the site Russian Public Initiative

    https://www.roi.ru/poll/petition/bezopasnost/vvesti-konfiskatciyu-imushestva-za-
    ekonomicheskie-prestupleniya /
  28. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 22 August 2013 09: 27 New
    +4
    Respect and respect to the author. Though here to take a soul.
  29. patriot2
    patriot2 22 August 2013 09: 36 New
    +7
    I liked the article, in business. That's just not for us to decide, but for the president and the cabinet, unfortunately. They are very far from their people.
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 22 August 2013 20: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: patriot2
      from his people.
      boo-ha-ha !!!!!!!! et you shaz about what kind of people ??????? that we are not "theirs" clearly for a long time and absolutely for sure
  30. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 22 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +7
    Hurray, all the same, EDRO has found a way to solve the problem, always vote for this party that cares about its people
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 10: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: soldier's grandson
      Hurray, all the same, EDRO has found a way to solve the problem, always vote for this party that cares about its people

      EDRO flew by, now "PEOPLE FRONT", and the front is already a war.
  31. individual
    individual 22 August 2013 09: 47 New
    +8
    The recipe for budget savings by the Medvedev government proposed by the author of the publication will not work:
    First. The completion of Oboronservis, Gosanrolizing and other offices that “wash” the state is impossible, as the government themselves do. And find those other than Nanai boys who fight against themselves.
    Second. RosNANO, Skolkovo and other wonders in the sieve were created by the government itself (read about the Nanai boys).
    The third.Think for yourself. The author leaves room for fantasy.
    Fourth. Reduce deputies, poms and other referents. And where to attach the son, brother, godfather and cousin who know how to share.
    The fifth.Block channels of finance leaks abroad ...! So this is basically not possible, as officials work here to live there.What do you want to take their lives? am
  32. serge
    serge 22 August 2013 09: 51 New
    +4
    Well, just a little reduction in the volume of purchased American "securities", and the budget comes down with a huge surplus.
    1. Airman
      Airman 22 August 2013 11: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: serge
      Well, just a little reduction in the volume of purchased American "securities", and the budget comes down with a huge surplus.

      And return the money to the reserve fund and other "securities" from the states, but in gold equivalent. Or is it a "golden parachute" in case of stall of those in power over the hill?
  33. Grbear
    Grbear 22 August 2013 09: 55 New
    +2
    Topical and accessible The author offers the OFFICIAL to take himself for a Faberge and sharply twist. Let him look at his own and think out how it looks.

    The official caste, which has existed since the advent of the state, is the most organized and competent part of society, moreover, capable of “propagating” vegetatively. Living at the expense of the state, read taxes, it, until a certain point, is a necessary regulator, which means that there are two ways to combat its growth:
    • Rooting - revolutionary, but painful and futile. When destroying a system, one should not forget that creating a new one takes time. And not the fact that the new is "it is a well-forgotten old."
    • Pinching and pruning shoots. But you need to find a "gardener" who is able to count these shoots every day.

    Only a people can be such a gardener. I dare to assure that those few steps in this direction: sites of city administrations, electronic thoughts, governments and other resources that are designed to shorten the path from the applicant and are created with our money, are quite promising. But the resources themselves are in a deplorable state (I did an analysis of the activity and relevance of the sites of the two regions on request). This suggests that the official is very not necessary. So we need.

    Of course, it is necessary to respond to the creeps of Winnie and Co. But the shares of "piglets" or "road builders" are much more painful for the official and the waves from them diverge widely.
  34. My address
    My address 22 August 2013 09: 55 New
    +6
    Believe the elderly who have 40 years of production experience. Which was simply thrown into the breakthrough at work twice, but it was given some carte blanche in the change of personnel. And who managed something good both times. The first time in the brigade, the second in the production unit.

    THE FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD!
    THE MOST OPTIMAL SUCH FISH "CLEAN" ALSO FROM THE HEAD!

    Although everyone on the site knows it. But we can not. And the tops do not want.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 22 August 2013 09: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: My address
      Believe me

      We believe ...
    2. Asgard
      Asgard 22 August 2013 10: 53 New
      +5
      Fish should be cleaned with the skin and tearing out the fins .....
      Other methods for this "cleaning" are unfortunately no longer necessary)))
      [img] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53O-pRiE7kQ [/ img]
  35. zvereok
    zvereok 22 August 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    I recall Putin’s election initiative to legalize the privatization of 90’s, taking a single, one-time amount from the owners.
  36. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 22 August 2013 10: 04 New
    +3
    patriot2
    Quote: patriot2
    That's just not for us to decide, but for the president and the cabinet, unfortunately.

    Henry Ford once said: "... thinking is the most difficult activity."
    Ford is 100% right - and I often find myself thinking that most people are lazy to think, reflect, develop.
    Isn't this the majority that affects the election results? In the end - on the path of Russia?
    Is that why (this is not a secret) “servants of the people” behind us they call cattle (working cattle)?
    Is it because we simply have no right to decide anything?
  37. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 10: 06 New
    +2
    "The Government of the Russian Federation: saving needs to start from the bottom" - the article should have been called this way: "The Government of the Russian Federation needs to start saving from itself."
    I support the author, but all a hundred.
  38. Ragoz
    Ragoz 22 August 2013 10: 07 New
    +5
    As you know, "There are two misfortunes in Russia - the power of darkness and the darkness of power" !!!
    Pushkin
    And it would be nice to publish Nekrasov's “To Whom It Is Good to Live in Russia” in such a circulation that every HUMAN person would always have this “GUIDE” at hand.
  39. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 22 August 2013 10: 19 New
    +2
    The article is definitely "+"!

    But here in the comments there are phrases "economy from the bottom, the economy from above ......"
    In my opinion, it should be simple - economic recovery.
    It should not be divided either up or down, not middle.
    The country either flourishes, and the people are happy, or as in that joke:
    "Do you know what der-mo is?
    I know!
    So here it is, compared to our life, raspberries! "
  40. zvereok
    zvereok 22 August 2013 10: 21 New
    +2
    By the way, you can not worry about the government. If you really need to close a hole in finance, they stupidly lower the ruble. As a result, dear Russians will not buy anything at that pension, but they will fulfill their promises. Moreover, economists of various stripes will praise the authorities, hanging the people’s ears on the ears, and he will repeat their words, recognizing their importance and learning.
  41. mirag2
    mirag2 22 August 2013 10: 27 New
    -1
    I’ll only add this fact: what is the place of our country in terms of the number of billionaires? Do you think they will give their money back from overworked work (by the way, seriously, it was not easy)?
    I stop at this I hate to pour over from empty to empty and talk about common truths.
    Capitalism is with us. - K A P I T A L I Z M.
  42. Shtyn dwarf
    Shtyn dwarf 22 August 2013 10: 37 New
    -1
    Quote: 6Sunrise9
    Personally, I don’t care what the minister said there, if the president signs the end to him as a politician.

    Read the constitution! Then understand that nominally the president of the Russian Federation is a notary.
    "part 3 of article 107 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, means the decision of the President of the Russian Federation to refuse to sign it (veto), indicating the reasons for such refusal, adopted within fourteen days from the receipt of the law; the President of the Russian Federation may not sign the federal law that he had previously rejected after his repeated approval by the State Duma and the Federation Council within seven days from the date of receipt of the decisions of the Federal Assembly chambers on the approval of the law in its original version and obligated to promulgate this law"
    For more than 20 years, the new political system created by the Americans, and the people consider the president TSAREM. Listen further to the media, which you either stupidly or stupidly consider "pro-Putin". If he does not sign the law, then he will be sent to prison.
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 22 August 2013 20: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Shtynsky Dwarf
      If he does not sign the law, then he will be sent to prison.
      This is a clear confirmation of the saying about the book and the figure of the folded fingers, although this is more like a deliberate purposeful "stupidity".

      To begin with, Dwarf, I hasten to inform you that the President of the Russian Federation, in accordance with Article 91 of the Constitution, has immunity.
      Moreover - Vova secured for himself and EBNu non-jurisdiction after the termination of his powers, managing to push through contrary to the 19th and 80th articles of the Constitution N 12-FZ of 12.02.01.

      Further, in order to overcome the presidential veto, at least 2/3 of the votes of the Federation Council and the Duma are necessary (hours 3 out of 107).
      By the way - do you know of cases when Putin did not sign the Federal Law from the first call? Not? Me too. Meanwhile, EBN rejected every 5th law.
      What is interesting is that these laws, which Vova allegedly cannot but sign, are passed by a majority of votes on the party that puts Vova in the elections, the party that he permanently leads.

      You, Mr. Karlik, if you are already listening to Fedorov, then if you please, at least check the nonsense that he carries.
      And finally take care to read the WHOLE Constitution, and not its individual articles.
  43. Anti
    Anti 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    Raising the retirement age is only possible if life expectancy is increased, or a problem with demographics, as this is not yet realistic.
  44. Combitor
    Combitor 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
    +2
    I want to ask all those who are dissatisfied, but against whose last name did you tick the ballots in the presidential election since 2000? Now think about your own “contribution” to what is happening now in our country.
    1. ksan
      ksan 22 August 2013 23: 32 New
      -2
      I want to ask all those who are dissatisfied, but against whose last name did you tick the ballots in the presidential election since 2000? Now think about your own “contribution” to what is happening now in our country.
      Well, yes, of course, Putin is to blame for everything) And all the rest are "white and fluffy"? or victims of a "dictatorial" regime?
    2. zvereok
      zvereok 24 August 2013 21: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Kombitor
      I want to ask all those who are dissatisfied, but against whose surname did you tick the ballots in the presidential election since 2000?


      Well, Putin’s 1 term was very positive.
  45. Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 22 August 2013 10: 44 New
    -2
    They still did not look into the Caucasus. There it is just a huge financial black hole.

    What? Someone really believes that to wage a constant war in the Caucasus with world terrorism and fight against its spread, build borders, build a wall around the entire perimeter of the Caucasus and protect it day and night, fight terrorist attacks and their consequences throughout the country, give away deposits, Will a new pipeline around Chechnya be cheaper than subsidies?
  46. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 22 August 2013 10: 44 New
    +1
    It is necessary to eradicate the spirit of partisanship from the government!
    What can we talk about if one party scatters key posts within itself, a majority planted in the Duma, and they saw everyone with their sober thinking and Dimon is not worried (I mean Edinorosov).
    How many Governors in Russia are United Russia - about 80% if not more.
    What can we talk about ?!
    Until the party management system is thrown out - whoever grabs more seats will twist as he wants and by whom he wants.
  47. Esso
    Esso 22 August 2013 10: 54 New
    +4
    By the way, it is explained why their salaries are so high, Mr. Chubais has 2 million a month, our president has 4 times less, no one in the country should have a higher salary than the president’s, more to reduce the costs of maintaining officials, including those who work with ZPPs, they came to work instead of driving in expensive cars, violating traffic rules, and they don’t come to work sometimes, they use their posts for personal enrichment, their salary should be on salary, and assessed by effectiveness, options you can think of a lot, then slightly reduce the maintenance of subsidized regions of the Sevkavkaz, it's time to bring them profit. To disassemble as the author of the article has already noted with all state corporations, and their expenses, and also with the Russian Pension Fund, they really like to spend their employees abroad on cars and trips!
    The case of Oboronservis is to introduce the confiscation of the property of the defendants and the seizure of their relatives from the defendants!
    There should be legality in our country, but as long as the country is led by corrupt people and interested people and the police order covering them, there will be no example
    http://lamagrad.ru/blogs/entry/2013/08/zhuliki-i-vory-volokolamskogo-rajona-bank

    uyut-po-krupnomu
    While the people will not demand its legality and will not be, an example in the town of Pugacheva, thundered throughout the country proves this!
    1. Yarosvet
      Yarosvet 22 August 2013 20: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: Esso
      By the way, why is it that their salaries are so high, Mr. Chubais has 2 million a month, our president has 4 times less

      N 139-ФЗ dated 19.07.07/XNUMX/XNUMX "On the Russian Corporation of Nanotechnologies"
  48. Spectrum
    Spectrum 22 August 2013 10: 56 New
    +3
    This is high treason, Mr. Anton Germanovich Siluanov doesn’t seem to be friends at all, in the event of an impending crisis, and with such an attitude towards the people he seems just around the corner, people will think “who is to blame?” and the Kremlin will need scapegoats, and who is the Minister of Finance, oh yes Anton Germanovich and his insights, I think that the rat will get what it deserves.
  49. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 August 2013 11: 18 New
    +6
    It's simple: there is not enough money and someone needs to take it away. In such cases, they are taken from those who cannot stand up for themselves - students with schoolchildren, pensioners, young mothers. I think the military shrugs off such happiness, they have machine guns.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 22 August 2013 13: 37 New
      0
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      1. IGS
        IGS 22 August 2013 15: 22 New
        0
        Yeah, and give it to the Caucasus, we want to defeat corruption there, so that all thieves from overeating and obesity die, and then we have all pensioners and beneficiaries (90% of the region’s population) ... And what does it mean that they have completed their task? Maybe they want to say made up for the loss of two Chechen? And education does not need to be raised, in the same Caucasus, everyone has what USE assessments, especially in Russian. Stop, if this forum offers what to do with you, only one thing, the debate is only about the ways.
  50. runway
    runway 22 August 2013 11: 29 New
    +7
    On the patriotic website, there is a steady stream of offers to shoot the country's leadership .... But quite recently, it was exactly the opposite .... I will not blame the times and customs, but I have to repeat myself - what did you expect from crooks and thieves? They naively hoped that they would wage an implacable struggle with themselves? Half a trillion, which Siluanov spoke about, is a "test ball" on the reaction of the environment. Further will be even more interesting. Keep your pockets, citizens!