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About shale revolution

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All hands did not reach to deal with history about the mysterious shale gas. But last week I was sitting in the country and I read a lot of different articles in the right mood. And now I will briefly retell you, because the thing is interesting. In short: shale gas is a gas from depths that weren’t explored before. And there it is not just a lot, but the whole hell abyss:


About shale revolution

Traditional gas production consists in finding a classic gas field underground, piercing a hole and inserting a straw. The cost of such gas is from 20 $ for 1000m3. Gazprom was until recently the world leader in gas exports, selling it at 400 $ - mainly to Europe.

Shale gas is of a different nature. It lies very deep (from 1.5 to 4.5 km), but does not curl there in one place, but is finely scattered in the layers of rocks. Piercing the hole does not work - the gas itself will not work. They knew about it for a long time (there were Soviet scientists among the theorists), the first mining experiments took place almost 100 years ago, but only now American technologies made it possible to extract it to its full height. A deep hole is drilled for mining (three kilometers), and when the shale layer is reached, the mine is turned and further drilled horizontally - another three kilometers. And a few more of these underground passages in different directions. But even so the gas will not go. Finally, hydraulic fracturing is done — water is pumped into the mine with 1% hydrochloric acid and reagents to better dissolve the rock, and then (I didn’t understand completely, this is still an explosion or a smooth pressure build-up) hundreds appear in its walls along the horizontal part of the mine snaking cracks in all directions in the thickness of the slate. As a result, the well, like a tree, gets a branched root system at a great depth. And only then does gas flow generously.


The matter is complicated by the fact that in such depths the temperature reaches 150 degrees, the pressure of 600 atmospheres (for comparison: an industrial cast-iron high-pressure cylinder withstands 300 atmospheres). Well, the thickness of the shale reservoir can be just 5 meters, and it is impossible to jump beyond its limits, therefore it is necessary to drill with complex computer monitoring and modeling. In general, the problem is high-tech, at the limit of engineering capacity. It is not surprising that it was resolved in a country where the words “intelligentsia” and “creative class” are not curses.

The cost of such production - from 100 $. With regard to the volume of reserves of shale gas, then to say that it is on the planet dofiga - it is still soft. In the US, gas has always been imported. Across the ocean, it is difficult to do, but it was being transported liquefied from Qatar, it cost 500-600 $. Then an interesting thing happens: a few years ago, shale deposits were launched in the USA and the price of gas in the USA plummeted - today it costs 140 $:


In terms of gas production, the United States immediately comes out on top in the world, displacing Russia and Gazprom from there. Qatar liquefied gas is now fucked up in the United States is not needed - they now have to sell their own somewhere. Therefore, Qatar gas goes to Europe. The gas market is starting to fever. Gazprom’s market value as a global concern is halving, and European partners are starting one after another to refuse to buy gas, and Gazprom is running after them and is suing: like, the contract says that you promised to buy up to 2015 for that year, no one for you did not pull, keep buying.

Of course, an event of this magnitude gives rise to an incredible amount of rumors, conspiracy theories, alarmists, “experts” and other cretins-screamers — either voluntary or at stake (there is such a profession — to console upset Gazprom in domestic energy articles). Since the Internet on any issue gives hundreds of polar opinions, only a fool will conclude on a single article. It took me a long time to study various statements and arguments, trying to understand who was right and who was dusting and driving. I also advise you to make an independent broad search and listen to all points of view in order to create a complete picture. I will give a list of the most liked opinions:

- it's all nonsense and provocation, shale gas does not exist;
- shale gas is bad - it does not burn or liquefy;
- surrogate gas will never replace our habitual one - warm and lamp;
- shale gas was, but is about to end (or vice versa: shale deposits never end at all, because they are constantly self-renewing due to the reaction of the hydrogen of the earth’s core with organic matter);
- shale mining is hellish harm to the environment, so it is now banned and no longer remember;

The Grand Prix of my readers' sympathies was received by a long article of some kind of “economic analyst”, the whole point of which was reduced to the fact that (watch your hands carefully) shale extraction is so profitable; that the price of gas in the United States has fallen so much; that shale mining has become so unprofitable; that all US gas producers have already collapsed; and shale gas will not, because unprofitable!

And, as always, ecology science is the most highly paid prostitute of modern times. If something needs to be promoted, a couple of billions have been brought into the global environmental sects, and tomorrow the press is yelling that the Boeing plane is destroying the ozone layer, and not only the Airbus plane. Or vice versa. In general, environmentalists notably raised the dough for shale gas. No matter how I read tales about gas production at a depth of three kilometers! And this gas is radioactive! And earthquakes from this happen! And drinking water in all wells of Pennsylvania is now easily set on fire by matches and burning (!), And Phil marmot gets out of the hole and sees not a shadow, but a puddle of black chemistry ... For those clever people who will now send me a link to I will repeat one of these articles: I have already read all this, thank you.

And the essence, as usual, is not in the terrible movement of the eyebrows, but in numbers. The numbers are simple. The price of gas in the United States fell several times. The United States has become the leading exporter from the importer, and this is limited only by the absence of a pipe across the ocean. Therefore, now in the United States, one after another, new gas companies are being created and mines are being drilled, as well as transport terminals are being built that will allow this gas to liquefy (it is liquefied and really a little worse, but this is a matter of engineering and cleaning) and sell overseas. Because this gas is an ordinary gas: a mixture of methane, propane, butane and other organic matter, ready to produce energy during combustion.

While it was only about the United States. We have so far flown on the head with a rebound from some Qatar, whose gas was not needed across the ocean. But the second nuance is that in addition to the United States, there are many places where shale gas is stored. And the extra-deep mining technology allows drilling a mine even in residential areas. Therefore, the network of great gas pipelines through half a continent is not really needed in the future. Like the monopolist-Gazprom, sitting on the pipes. And finally, the third nuance is that in Eastern Europe there are awesome reserves of shale gas - in Ukraine and especially in Poland. 22 firms from the USA and Canada have already left for this Poland, got 68 mining licenses and drilled down the races of the mine. Or did you think the Americans would keep their technology in a fierce secret, so that the overseas enemy would not get it? These Polish mines will earn almost simultaneously in 2014. And Ukraine starts a little later. I emphasize: in 2014 year. Official commissioning numbers.

And this, my dear friends and compatriots, is very sad for you and me. news. Because it means the coming changes in our lives, and these changes will certainly not be joyful. After all, it is no secret that Russia lives, even though it is poor in some places, but looking with whom to compare. The prices of products and goods are no less than in a prosperous Europe, and apartment prices will be a shock to any foreigner. Somehow, so magically it turns out that we live is not rich, but the prices we have - th. As a result, the average Russian from the provinces, working lazily and with a bottle, can afford to buy the TV of the diagonal that the Chinese, who work at the 14 TVs factory a day, cannot afford. And this very difference in the standard of living with our production stopped, we are given precisely oil and gas money. And over the past 10 years, we have very much forgotten how to sew, solder and build, with such oil and gas we do not need to work:


There is a conspiracy theory that the evil Gorbachev ruined the country, and then the people had nothing to eat, and then a strong statist came, and satiety returned. That's just magically the growth of the Russian economy coincided with oil prices, which in 1999 was 20 $ and in ten years grew to 140 $:


And now remove all imported goods and products exchanged not for our labor, but for our oil, from stalls - and it will be again like in the nineties: Balabanovsky matches, local bread, Voronezh sprat in tomato, and jackets sewn in N.Tolokonnikova zone . So oil money, albeit in a different volume, but gets everyone in the country, even if you have nothing to do with selling gas. Pelevin wrote best of all in the fairy tale about Khavroshechka and Motley Cow: “You can no longer grow an apple tree for your Havroshechka. You can only give the disgraceful wolves oil so that the cookie-yukis-Yuxi-puks will unfasten their loera, the loyer will throw off the security chief, the security chief will roll back the hairdresser, the hairdresser, the cook, the chauffeur, and the chauffeur hired your Havroshechka for an hour for one hundred and hundred bucks ... And when your Havroshechka otpitsya after anal sex and drive away all their garbage and gangsters, then, perhaps, she will have enough for an apple that you so wanted for her to become, Motley Cow ... "

Therefore, today only a complete idiot can rejoice in the misfortune of Gazprom - after all, guys, our common misfortune. Whoever you are - a hairdresser, or a designer who makes up a business card for a hairdresser, in Russia you get a solid oil and gas premium from the top of the chain for your work. You could receive incomparably more if the top did not take billions to personal offshore, and developed the country and invested in the economy, medicine, culture and education, as does the government of the Emirates with its petrodollars. But all the same, there is money in the country, and we feel this when we routinely buy a package of juice for 3 $, and not 1 $, as in Germany. If you do not feel this, then go to impose your business cards in China, and there they will quickly explain to you how much you need to work a day to get a slice of soy oil for bread.

Can Gazprom do something in this situation? Answer: nothing. First, the reserves of shale gas in Russia are depressingly small, the Lord gave it mainly to the USA, Canada, China and Australia, leaving a little Poland and Ukraine:


The volume of Polish deposits is estimated at 5,3 trillion. cubic meters is the very thing that will begin to flow from 2014 year to Europe instead of Gazprom, which used to be a monopolist. For comparison: the volume of the famous Shtokman field in the Barents Sea, on which Gazprom so hoped, is 3,7 trillion. But it still needs to be taken from the seabed and somehow transported to the mainland. And Poland will dig holes, put down roots - and together with Ukraine it will drive gas all over the finished gas network, where gas used to flow from Russia. And Gazprom has officially put an end to hopes in the development of the Shtokman field. Gazprom analysts are so open and write: they say nothing can be done, it remains to try to “restrain” and “regulate” the market. Read: foul and build obstacles to the spread of new technology. Well, there are all kinds of lawsuits, environmentalists and the Kyoto Protocol with an ozone hole ...

Of course, a saving thought comes to mind: well, we lost the gas, but the oil will remain! But this idea is not very saving, because energy is a plastic thing, not a chest of drawers with three drawers, one of which is empty, but the others are still full. A simple example: today, gasoline costs 30 rubles, and tomorrow, gas, suppose, there will be 13 rubles, and all car owners, all taxi drivers, buses, taxis, and trucks will rush to set themselves a gas cylinder in the trunk, as they put in 90's. And who will need oil? Although Russia can still trade in nickel and aluminum, this is not to take away.

In the summer of 2010 of the year, I accidentally heard the words of a television presenter about the anticyclone and the front of the African air. At that moment, I realized that there would be absolutely unheard-of heat in Moscow, although no official forecast had promised that. For three days I ran like mad, but by the onset of 40 degrees in both rooms I had air conditioners (the latter, at the old price from the Hindu warehouse), and I also helped friends with air conditioners. Now, when I read about the shale revolution and the start of the Polish field in 2014, I had the same clear feeling of an approaching asshole. Information about which is already quite publicly available, but so far is not realized at all - as a TV mumbling in the corner. And then it starts to fry. The only difference is that in case of economic cataclysms I don’t have any ideas. And you?
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  1. Regis
    Regis 22 August 2013 07: 22 New
    +9
    "The grand prix of my readers' sympathy was received by a lengthy article by some" economic analyst ", the whole point of which was that (carefully watch your hands) shale production is so profitable that the price of gas in the USA has fallen so much that shale production has become so unprofitable; that all US gas producers have already gone bankrupt; and there will be no shale gas, because it is unprofitable! "

    It is not strange with oil production in the United States that already happened at the beginning of the 20th century. Everyone began to mine it - due to competition, the price fell sharply (it became cheaper if I did not lie). And many oil producers went bankrupt. Everything is correct, just the conclusion in the article is incorrect.
    1. Kipish
      Kipish 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
      10
      And I liked this one
      "But last week I sat in the country and read many different articles in the mood"
      And now I know everything !!!
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 22 August 2013 11: 10 New
        +4
        read dad Karl Marx! hi
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 23 August 2013 00: 34 New
        -1
        Quote: Kipish
        And I liked this one, "But last week I sat in the country and read a lot of different articles in the mood" And now I know everything !!!

        I, too, after these lines did not master reading to the end. Typical nerd without special claims to intelligence. The article is a classic minus.
        The topic of shale gas has poked its nose out of the hole on this site more than once, so commenting on something new does not make sense here, because the article is complete nonsense and there is not a single sensible argument for discussion.
    2. Aryan
      Aryan 22 August 2013 10: 52 New
      +6
      Yes
      thanks to the author for reviewing the problem
      but the conclusions are certainly controversial

      and two things I didn’t understand
      why the gas in my lighter ends
      and when the aliens arrive to save Russia
      laughing
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 22 August 2013 11: 36 New
        +5
        Quote: Aryan
        and when the aliens arrive to save Russia

        Yes, yes, as I understand it, the article is the primary banter (either of the author or the editorial office))).
        There is a truth, one more option, the article was written about seven months ago, when the Western "friends" had a hope that we would behave and pass gas pricing to the London Stock Exchange)).
        If I’m wrong in the above, then the author is rare ... and you don’t need to read his books)).
  2. a52333
    a52333 22 August 2013 07: 23 New
    14
    England, Poland and France have already banned the production of shale gas on its territory. In the states, there, too, not everything is smooth. That is, in large quantities, but it doesn’t seem more like production production, but a “scarecrow” for Qatar and Gazprom = lower the price, otherwise we say to you.
    1. Sgt.
      Sgt. 22 August 2013 08: 01 New
      12
      Gazprom will just wait for the start of production of Polish shale gas (as the author claims 100 dollars per 1000m3) and will reduce the cost of its own (cost price of 20 dollars).
      before the Poles and Amers go broke. Gazprom has a reserve for the price.
    2. MG42
      MG42 22 August 2013 10: 01 New
      +6
      Quote: a52333
      In the states, there, too, not everything is smooth. That is, in large quantities, but it doesn’t seem more like production production, but like a scarecrow for Qatar and Gazprom = lower the price, otherwise we say to you.

      It is actually mined there, another question at what cost, it is not cost-effective, and it pollutes the environment specifically, those who leased their land to them killed their water, are forced to use imported water ..

      How it works? Currently, the average cost of production of a thousand cubic meters of gas in the United States is on average 200 dollars. At that time, stock quotes for natural gas were at best. 130 dollars per thousand cubic meters. Suppose we have two deposits with the same production cost (albeit $ 200 per thousand cubic meters). But in one of them the gas is “dry” (that is, containing mainly natural gas, methane), and in the other there is a “fat” gas containing a significant part of the gas condensate. As a result, the producer with the first well will suffer losses. As for the second well, its profit or loss will depend on the amount of condensate contained in this fatty gas. If its share is high, then out of every thousand cubic meters of gas, up to 150 liters of gas condensate can be obtained. With a condensate price of $ 0,5 per liter, this is an additional $ 75 in revenue. (The price of condensate, of course, depends on the composition. Details on the composition, prices and use of condensate can be found in the paper “However”). Therefore, the remaining gas can be sold even for $ 130 per thousand cubic meters and still make a profit.

      Those. depending on the site, lucky - no luck, and pure slate minus $ 70 for every thousand cubes .. winked

      Shale gas production in the USA is clickable. >>
    3. buzuke
      buzuke 22 August 2013 10: 15 New
      +4
      Moreover, shale gas production in the United States is subsidized by the state, and without subsidies it becomes unprofitable. I don’t think their budget will finance gas exports. subsidizing domestic consumption is one thing; subsidizing prices for foreign consumers is quite another
      1. MG42
        MG42 22 August 2013 10: 25 New
        +4
        Quote: buzuke
        I don’t think their budget will finance gas exports. subsidizing domestic consumption is one thing; subsidizing prices for foreign consumers is quite another

        Naturally, only production technologies go to <export> and the United States campaigns are mined so that the other is a <headache> ..
  3. piterkras
    piterkras 22 August 2013 07: 27 New
    -13
    Gazprom didn’t do anything with this shale revolution. And long ago I took it for granted. Well, isn’t Poland now attacking in fact? I would not particularly worry about Gazprom either. 49% of the shares are not from the state. Right now, by the way, I am persuading a controlling stake to be sold to effective Western managers - that's all. It will be like in the 90s: the stupid Russian people who bought Western cheating in the 91st will be milked, milked and milked. For they deserve it. What president do not set, what power do not change. Serious global players have decided everything, but we have to adapt to the market. And yes: you also do not expect the development of science, industry, the standard of living. The West will pull us by the ropes like Nigeria. Well, nice. To evil grandmother frostbite ears, gee-gee-gee. Our descendants will still remember us with a strong word.
  4. lotar
    lotar 22 August 2013 07: 29 New
    +6
    All this is sad, but I think there is no sadness without joy. It is quite possible this is what will push our government to transfer "our revenues" from oil and gas to innovative ones. You can’t lose heart and raise your paws to the top, you just need to finally understand that an ass can always happen if you put all your eggs in one basket.
    1. piterkras
      piterkras 22 August 2013 09: 10 New
      -11
      Nobody will translate anything. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers rule us after 91 years. What is it like in life? I haven’t tried to include brains. Why hasn’t science and industry developed in the country since then, and have prices risen? Indeed, Russia is a country of fools. This is easy to milk. Residents themselves will not understand that they are working for the West. Well, it's weird.
      1. lotar
        lotar 22 August 2013 13: 10 New
        0
        Regarding the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, as well as the notorious 300 committee, which you are an ardent supporter, you can say a lot, but I will only say one thing: Maybe they manage a part of the world, including Russian finance, but this does not mean that we should omit hands and lower your pants for extraordinary fuckers. And to do everything you need so that both you, your family, and your people, no matter how bad it might be for you, the trouble will bypass and return ten times to your offenders.
  5. Belogor
    Belogor 22 August 2013 07: 32 New
    +5
    It seems to me that all this is not industrial production, but a trial and public relations campaign aimed at intimidating somehow, introducing uncertainty among real gas workers and forcing them to take some wrong steps.
    1. Poppy
      Poppy 22 August 2013 09: 27 New
      +9
      and the article is the same advertising, ears stick out frankly
      the cost of shale gas is prohibitive, not to mention harm to nature
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 22 August 2013 07: 33 New
    10
    In Ukraine, Shell has already concluded that there are no such shale gas reserves so that it can be produced in production volumes. And the people began to be indignant seriously. The Baltic states also got zilch. England, Poland and France immediately realized what kind of environmental damage such mining causes and quickly banned it from mining. In this case, the Americans broke off to warm their hands on foreign territory and did the dirty tricks of Russia. So this is exactly the horror story for Gazprom.
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 22 August 2013 09: 21 New
      11
      Quote: Egoza
      In Ukraine, Shell has already concluded that there are no such stocks. shale gas so that it can be produced in production volumes ...

      In Poland - the same thing with Exxon Mobile:
      "Exxon Mobil, an American oil corporation, has scaled up its search for shale gas in Poland."
      http://antonio-merloni.ru/avtonomnaja-gazifikacija-ostajotsja-aktualnoj

      And here is the “rainbow” shale news from Shell in the US:
      "Shell has lost more than two billion dollars in shale gas production"
      http://www.burs.ru/economy/130801172345.html

      IMHO, either the author got confused in too much of the source of information, or, initially, was addicted to the subject under study.
    2. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 13: 15 New
      +3
      Yes, and the financial bubble is blowing. Shell is breeding Ukraine, they say you have a lot of gas (shale), let's get it, spitefully damned holes. Those are happy. Shell still did not hammer a nail into the ground, and Ukraine already drew a debt of 1,5 billion. And Yanukovych, as in that joke “come on, come on, drive me into debt!”
  7. saved
    saved 22 August 2013 07: 50 New
    +7
    The author may have read a lot of material about shale gas, but he did not really understand what was happening because the statement ..., (I didn’t fully understand, this is still an explosion or smooth pressure build-up), makes all other statements look like guesswork. And since when has everything connected with the destruction (blasting) of natural rocks of the earth become ecologically safe.
  8. Horst78
    Horst78 22 August 2013 07: 52 New
    11
    Something I do not see the analysis in the article. Particularly pleased with the schedules of the budget. The author probably forgot that before the start of the 2000x the oil industry did not want to pay taxes at all, and then they convinced them after Yukos.
  9. Sgt.
    Sgt. 22 August 2013 07: 52 New
    +8
    “The only difference is that in the case of economic disasters, I have no ideas at all. And you?”
    Take off your pants and cry bitterly!
    The article is alarmist.
  10. engineer74
    engineer74 22 August 2013 08: 00 New
    +2
    Well, Gazprom will lose foreign markets, well, shut up the budget hole with the export of arms and military equipment, but we are better off - the development of technology and the balanced economy plus jobs! smile
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 22 August 2013 09: 42 New
      +3
      You are a wonderful person, where did the development of technology come from without an influx of money, including from the same Gazprom ??
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 22 August 2013 13: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Avenger711
        You are a wonderful person, where did the development of technology come from without an influx of money, including from the same Gazprom ??
        ---------------- money from different oligarchs and officials to get Mona, there would be a desire ............
  11. My address
    My address 22 August 2013 08: 00 New
    18
    I do not presume to talk about the intricacies of treating angina. The author has nothing to teach us about gas production. He does not know about hydraulic fracturing, has not heard about the rapid depletion of shale gas, and he also has industrial cast-iron (!) Cylinders.
    1. Horst78
      Horst78 22 August 2013 08: 15 New
      +8
      Here I am about the same thing: there is no analysis, no knowledge of technology (For drilling, a deep hole is drilled (about three kilometers), and when the shale layer is reached, the shaft is turned and further drilled horizontally - another three kilometers. And several more such underground tunnels in different sides.) we have in Western Siberia wells in 3km. has long been a standard.
      1. Order
        Order 22 August 2013 09: 12 New
        17
        Quote: Horst78
        in Western Siberia, we have 3km wells. has long been a standard.

        I’ll tell you more: in the very so-called new shale gas production technology there is nothing new. In our country, almost all of Western Siberia is drilled precisely using this technology (meaning directional drilling along the strike of the reservoir). The fracturing method is just one of the methods for intensifying oil and gas production, often used in low-yield and depleted fields. I assure you that drilling to depths of 3 km and more is also not unusual (for example, for the Volga-Ural oil and gas producing province these are standard depths of productive formations). The shortage of shale deposits in the Russian Federation is generally nonsense . Another thing is that it is easier and more profitable for drilling companies to work in classic gas and gas condensate fields than to invest in dubious projects. And finally, the main problem of shale deposits is a very rapid drop in well production compared to classical gas fields, since the reservoir properties of shales are simply nonexistent, which is why hydraulic fracturing is used to create pressure and the possibility of hydrocarbon migration at least in the bottomhole zone. That is why the production of shale oil and gas is much more expensive.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 22 August 2013 10: 50 New
          12
          You just don’t understand anything. The author wrote an article saying that "such technologies have appeared in a country where the words intelligentsia and the creative class are not curses." And here you are with your facts! Yes, how dare you !!
          Also say that in that luminous country the word "intelligentsia" is generally unknown, and the phrase "creative class" is not applied! The poor fellow read "many articles"! Somewhere two. No, one and a half. Well, almost ... Lord, a little mind with a mosquito horseradish, no analysis, no memory ... knows how to insert diagrams! A true intellectual, without any admixture, one hundred percent, refined ... Nothing you explain to this Persian, nothing. He does not have a zone in the brain capable of perceiving your explanations. He never developed it, sorry.
          An attempt to pretend to be a tectonic process, to form a cavity underground, of course causes respect. Well, in general because Soviet scientists developed this technology. But it’s fundamentally impossible to drag it to profitability, purely energetically. The planet has the energy of rotation of the nucleus, but what are we? We need to blow up. The most powerful explosives at our disposal are not applicable, you know. But even in the case of its application ... In general, let the Americans indulge, and our creative ones are smart ones. None of them will succeed ...
          1. stroporez
            stroporez 22 August 2013 13: 39 New
            +1
            Quote: Mikhail3
            A true intellectual, without any admixture, one hundred percent, refined ... Nothing you explain to this Persian, nothing. He does not have a zone in the brain capable of perceiving your explanations.
            ------- 1000000000000%
            the definition of "intelligent" ---- it is not clear what, it is not clear what ........ and it is not clear why
    2. dimon-media
      dimon-media 22 August 2013 10: 23 New
      +5
      Exactly. The author is not competent. I also drew attention to industrial cast iron cylinders laughing neighing wildly. Then he quit smoking to calm down and catch his breath laughing And it killed me that prey slate in pindostan squeezed in terms of production already GAZPROM!
      Well, I don’t know .. there are no words, only emotions.
      1. Dmitry 2246
        Dmitry 2246 22 August 2013 11: 14 New
        +4
        But the author saved on the Conder.
        The conclusions are more than strange: production for 100 is more profitable than for 20 because the United States.
  12. Pon69
    Pon69 22 August 2013 08: 02 New
    15
    Calmly citizens! Read carefully . The cost of shale gas is 100 tanks, this is in ideal conditions, and the normal cost is 200-280, taking into account production costs (high technologies), plus transport costs - we’ll leave for 300-400. The cost of Urengoy, Nadym, and Yamburg gas is not more than 7 bucks. The transport system operates and has paid off more than once. That is, the cost goes to 20-50 bucks. Now the question is - where does the money go 400-50 = 350 for 1000 m3. The pumping volume for 2012 alone is 1.7 billion m3. The salary of the cleaning master (cleaning woman) in the central office of Gazprom at the level of the pomblet in Yamburg. Therefore, with a decrease in sales, etc., etc. there is someone to optimize - we’ll fire the pombard.))
  13. Anatole Klim
    Anatole Klim 22 August 2013 08: 06 New
    -1
    "These Polish mines will start operating almost simultaneously in 2014. And Ukraine will start a little later. I emphasize: in 2014. The official figures for commissioning."
    It turns out that less than six months are left before gas abundance in Europe. But even Poland does not refuse Russian gas, so it’s not so simple, but the article is a plus.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 22 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +2
      To promise does not mean to marry! Paper can stand it! Ukraine promised to fill in with its own oil and fill Europe, above the PPC!
  14. bes513
    bes513 22 August 2013 08: 22 New
    +2
    That's just interesting, Where and Who has the data on the reserves of this Garev from us, in Russia ?? Who, when and where did the sounding, well, in the sense of high-tech with complex computer modeling? I am far from geology, maybe there are enough old geological exploration data, most likely merged after the collapse of the USSR, but still.
  15. IGS
    IGS 22 August 2013 08: 22 New
    +1
    I tried to figure it out too, but I realized ... too many pitfalls in this topic, too many conflicting interests affect. For each article “for” there is the same “against.” What can be trusted is a description of the method of production (without evaluations of effectiveness, safety, etc.). I would very much like to hear the opinion of a specialist, as they say unofficially, “over a beer.” To draw conclusions on the basis of articles, in my opinion, is not the case, it is all too serious, with global consequences, even if it turns out to be zilch.
  16. 128mgb
    128mgb 22 August 2013 08: 25 New
    0
    The author seems to have grown in the gateway, such turns of speech that the ears fade. But essentially stupid Europe refuses to develop this panacea. Why's that? After all, so many tasks would be solved, both political and economic.
  17. explorer
    explorer 22 August 2013 08: 30 New
    +2
    Not so bad. The author is of course the glorious METEOROLOGIST, but with regard to various public relations campaigns in the West (including from environmentalists beloved by the author), it would be worth remembering the PAINFUL Ozone hole (and harm to it from refrigerators), global cooling (warming), bird flu, etc. .. All this brought the dough to those who organized it and unwound and robbed those who succumbed to these actions.
  18. bulvas
    bulvas 22 August 2013 08: 33 New
    +1
    However, there is no smoke without fire
    There was talk of budget savings, the abolition of maternity capital. The ruble is "gradually" dropping ...
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 August 2013 10: 10 New
      0
      Quote: bulvas
      However, there is no smoke without fire
      There was talk of budget savings, the abolition of maternity capital. The ruble is "gradually" dropping ...
      GAZPROM shares are falling, this is a fact, I myself have and constantly follow the course. The ceiling was in 2008, the share was worth 350.4 rubles, today 132,2 rubles. I don’t know for the whole GAZPROM, but I live in the city of “gas industry workers” Nadym and today the picture is that Gazprom is actively getting rid of non-core assets — kindergartens, departmental housing, boiler houses, bath houses, hotels ... they sell or transfer to municipal ownership, reduced the program for the resettlement of residents from the Far North, removed one-time employee benefits upon retirement / 16 salaries /, reduced the wages of workers ... This is our reality, I do not draw any conclusions, but the situation makes us think.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 22 August 2013 10: 25 New
        0
        Quote: grafrozow
        GAZPROM shares are falling, this is a fact, I myself have and constantly monitor the course.


        This is already more reliable information.
        The fact that they are optimizing their economy is also a very serious sign
      2. dimon-media
        dimon-media 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
        0
        Quote: grafrozow
        GAZPROM shares are falling, this is a fact, I myself have and constantly follow the course. The ceiling was in 2008, the share was worth 350.4 rubles, today 132,2 rubles.

        This does not mean anything. Prices in the securities markets are mainly based on the positive or negative sentiment of speculators and often reflect not quite the right situation. What if the same S&P downgrades the rating of Russian banks? Nothing will happen. Only alarmists will rush to sell their shares and nothing else will happen. As you say in 2008, not only Gazprom was more expensive, but the dollar itself was 25 rubles, the RTS and MICEX had an index of more than 1500 points, unlike the current 1300. Now the question is: - has something changed for the worse ? What moral? Stock prices are dictated by alarmists and optimists. Sorry for messing up and exaggerating. GAZPROM and he in Africa GAZPROM. Everyone needs gas. There will be no alternative to production by the standard method until the last cubic meter of gas is pumped out of the ground in the usual "grandfather" way.
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 22 August 2013 16: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: dimon-media
          Stock prices are dictated by alarmists and optimists.
          Sorry, but I have not heard such nonsense.
          Quote: dimon-media
          . Sorry for messing up and exaggerating. GAZPROM and he in Africa GAZPROM. Everyone needs gas. There will be no alternative to production by the standard method until the last cubic meter of gas is pumped out of the ground in the usual "grandfather" way.
          Blessed is he who believes, go to WWW.gazprom.ru and carefully read how much Gazprom is asking from the budget for exploration and development of new fields. A successful company, no words. And as for the alternative, remember the competition, horse-car, airplane, and what we have now. But the real fact about the "wealth" of GAZPROM, last year they gave prizes, and this "congratulation" came by mail yesterday, I answer for the original. What do you say? Sincerely, Alexander.
  19. lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 22 August 2013 08: 39 New
    0
    I sat in the country and in the mood I read many different articles.

    Yes of course. Highly reliable sources of information lol . It seems that the author suffers from constipation, and for some reason he does not have toilet paper, so he has read idle statues on newspaper scraps. If that were the case, Gazprom’s share price would have fallen to the bottom right now. here) And the notorious shale gas is an attempt to get rid of dependence on Russian gas supplies, and perhaps this is a project like the "Star Wars" of the Reagan era.
    1. alexng
      alexng 22 August 2013 10: 50 New
      +3
      Here, before minus the opponent, supporters of shale idiocy, it would be worth thinking about the fact that in order for this gas to go up the pipes, in simple terms, water must be pumped into the lower layers from the upper layers of the bark of our fragile ball. And these are violations of the water balance of the biosphere, which ultimately turns this territory into a steppe in the beginning, and then into a desert. Something from the Kin Dza Dza area. I understand that a few people think these problems are on the side, but still it would be worthwhile to think over others who are not without common sense. Probably for this reason, these attempts of the West to play on it did not have any reaction from Gazprom. "And Vaska listens and eats."
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 22 August 2013 17: 10 New
        0
        Quote: alexneg
        Here, before minus the opponent, supporters of shale idiocy, it would be worth thinking about the fact that in order for this gas to go up the pipes, in simple terms, water must be pumped into the lower layers from the upper layers of the bark of our fragile ball. And these are violations of the water balance of the biosphere, which ultimately turns this territory into a steppe in the beginning, and then into a desert. Something from the Kin Dza Dza area. I understand that a few people think these problems are on the side, but still it would be worthwhile to think over others who are not without common sense. Probably for this reason, these attempts of the West to play on it did not have any reaction from Gazprom. "And Vaska listens and eats."
        I’m quoting your quote in full, and now, compare — for more than 30 years, how a method was developed for pumping water into oil reservoirs to increase the return of wells, depths from 2700m to 3800m. Also, perforation is used to restore well productivity, in plain language, a hexogen charge is blown up at the depth of the formation, before that the well is filled with water to avoid a fire.
        Profanity is just for "Vasek", talk to any geologist to replenish your knowledge, do not listen to "woman Masha." hiThe depth of gas wells on the Yamal Peninsula is from 900 m to 1300 m, pressure is up to 160 atm, but for some reason the gas itself does not come to the surface.
        1. alexng
          alexng 23 August 2013 07: 51 New
          +1
          Shale is unlikely to come out on its own. What you call the download, in your case there is a bookmark. In the shale version, this will be a hydraulic excavation and there is a need for more volumes of water in a lower flow rate of the well. I myself work at the mine and do automation of technological processes, and I was just talking about this with geologists. We have a whole department of geologists. And the most unprofitable and expensive way of mining is hydraulic excavation and is used very rarely.
  20. Avenger711
    Avenger711 22 August 2013 08: 53 New
    12
    And over the past 10 years, we have forgotten how to sew, solder and build, we don’t need to work with such oil and gas:


    What are you saying?

    And the schedules, of course, are beautiful, but you can recall the volume of this very budget in the 99th. Resources drove over the hill as well, and the country for six months without a salary. So today's stability is not oil prices, but Khodor in the zone, who does not want to campaign for him, is forced to pay to the budget, and not to sell everything to penny offices in offshore at penny prices.
  21. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 22 August 2013 08: 54 New
    -1
    Quote: Egoza
    In Ukraine, Shell has already concluded that there are no such shale gas reserves so that it can be produced in production volumes. And the people began to be indignant seriously.

    In Ukraine, that’s production, and to everyone ... wow ... bully
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 22 August 2013 13: 44 New
      0
      the main issue in Ukraine was not gas, but the company's right to pick up and take out the upper fertile layer ..........
    2. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 August 2013 17: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Valery Neon
      In Ukraine, that’s production, and to everyone ... wow
      Dear, do you think in the Carpathians fat from the bowels is mined? wassat Oil production cannot be compared with Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, but it is there and industrial development of fields is ongoing. Laugh further, laughter for no reason is a sign of a fool ... hi
  22. Belogor
    Belogor 22 August 2013 08: 57 New
    +1
    This blogger simply moonlights, completely being off topic. With the same success, you can write about anything, only who will read it with such nonsense and especially believe it.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 August 2013 18: 42 New
      0
      Quote: Belogor
      This blogger simply moonlights, completely being off topic. With the same success, you can write about anything, only who will read it with such nonsense and especially believe it.

      Please specify the name of the blogger.
  23. Regis
    Regis 22 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +6
    Avengeru711

    This is more likely not because of Hodor in the zone, but because of the severance tax.

    Paradoxically, in Russia until 2003 there was no mineral extraction tax (mineral extraction tax), there was a muddy excise tax system.
    And the mineral extraction tax introduced in 2003 tyrant Putin. And lo and behold, the country found out what petrodollars are))
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 22 August 2013 09: 48 New
      +3
      But how to make oligarchs pay this same severance tax without showing power? Everything is simple, either you can do without a yacht the size of an aircraft carrier and pay taxes, because the country needs new hospitals, new tanks, pensions, etc. the rest is enough for you and even your grandchildren, or go to the zone , for which it doesn’t matter, everyone has sins.
      1. Regis
        Regis 22 August 2013 10: 02 New
        +3
        Well, yes) Taking the most impudent by the eggs was the right decision)
  24. korvin1976
    korvin1976 22 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +4
    He began to read the article, began to think about what the author was trying to convey to us. Everything seems to be correct and logical, well-built logic and good arguments, but ...... when I read up to the point with the tables of distribution of budget revenues by years, I came to the ambiguous conclusion: either the author really does not understand what he writes about and by virtue of his ignorance is trying to sell us a specific disu or the author is consciously trying to push us rotten goods.
    Judge for yourself on the budget revenue tables. The distribution of the budget revenues of Russia takes place as it is shown on these graphs, with the difference that the years are confused. Instead of 2011, it should be 1999. And that already says a lot. The author made many conclusions, only the source for these conclusions was obviously not correct, but this is what concerns the Russian production and sale of gas, and accordingly the Russian economy in the future.
    Now for the shale gas itself:
    - a lot of him, a lot of him
    - the production of this gas is possible with the use of high technology and is associated with not small costs for this production
    Now consider the option of drinking water. Stocks of drinking water are slowly depleted, and this is to some extent a fact. But let, on planet Earth, this very water as "dirt", and even much more if you look at the globe. You can get the same water from the oceans, it’s an almost endless source and the technologies for this are appropriate, but ....... as they say the price of the issue!
    What is shale gas production essentially? For comparison, take a well in the country. They dig a well at the dacha to aquifers and get water in this way, but ..... getting an unlimited amount of water from such a well is not possible at all times, unless of course the well has direct access to underwater water storages. The same thing with shale gas, it will flow into such a well, but the average daily reserves of such a well will be very limited.
    Judging by the cottage well without direct access to the store, this is the same as a shale gas mine. I agree that, to some extent, they are almost endless in their resources, but it is very difficult to make industrial production from such "wells" unless you drill such wells at a certain distance from each other.
    He then faced such things, I think I will understand
    1. Nick_1972
      Nick_1972 22 August 2013 11: 16 New
      +2
      It is a pity Singapore does not know that desalination of sea water is ... "as they say the price of the issue." Otherwise, desalination plants would not be built.
  25. aepocmam
    aepocmam 22 August 2013 09: 16 New
    +6
    The cost of shale gas production is $ 100, Russian - $ 20. Now that the price of gas is ~ $ 500, shale gas can be sold at a profit. Therefore, "like by leaps and bounds" the number of companies engaged in shale gas is growing, and investments in their development. When this process reaches its maximum, Gazprom will be able to unexpectedly sharply reduce the price of its natural gas to ~ $ 50 and make shale gas production unprofitable, and buy up all the oil shale companies around the world for cheap. And then, having become a monopolist - again “launch” them into work.
  26. Wedmak
    Wedmak 22 August 2013 09: 23 New
    +4
    Author, do you speak three kilometers? What is three kilometers for groundwater and gas? A maximum of a month for seepage and voila, all this chemistry will be in rivers and lakes. They don’t worry about Gazprom, it has a cost of $ 20, the United States has 100. Well, gas will go to Europe for $ 250 instead of $ 400 ... well, the top manager will not buy himself another mayb ... he found someone to scare with a bare ass.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 22 August 2013 20: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What is three kilometers for groundwater and gas? A maximum of a month for seepage and voila, all this chemistry will be in rivers and lakes. Are you worried about Gazprom
      Once again, the depth of the gas strata-900m.1300m-and this is an industrial development. Dear, in this matter, you are a layman, we will argue?
  27. regdan
    regdan 22 August 2013 09: 29 New
    +1
    Nonsense. Shale gas is a soap bubble and will burst soon.
  28. minimum
    minimum 22 August 2013 09: 30 New
    -8
    The main thing is to repeat to yourself "there will be no shale revolution", breathe deeply, drink a lot of juice and everything will be fine. Miller laughed a lot, other people laughed a lot, said that oil shale is a disastrous idea, and they are stubbornly developing the idea, and it (oh my God, how so ??) is already crowding Gazprom with Qatari gas, breaking up the monopoly, and preventing it as before boorishly behaving with consumers abroad. And something is no longer laughing. And by the way, the country's budget is replenished mainly by oil industry workers, and not by Gazprom, which managed to get a bunch of tax benefits and preferences (it is surprising that the state does not directly subsidize it yet), robbing the population of the Russian Federation along the way. So I personally rejoice at the problems of this impudent company, which is led by louts and incompetent people like Miller who slept through shale.
    1. Regis
      Regis 22 August 2013 10: 41 New
      +5
      Sorry, but your "overslept slate" reminded me very much of the "prosralipolymers"))
  29. Poppy
    Poppy 22 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +6
    read to this phrase
    In general, the task is high-tech, at the limit of engineering capacity. It is not surprising that it was resolved in a country where the words "intelligentsia" and "creative class" are not curses.

    and immediately it became clear whose ears are sticking out of this article
  30. MG42
    MG42 22 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    Shale fever in the USA and environmental problems >>
  31. Rosomaha67
    Rosomaha67 22 August 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    The article is "big-minus." I don’t know maybe Leonid Kogan and a talented science fiction writer (by the way, is this a new plot for a fantastic bestseller), but judging by his biography, he is not an expert on shale gas production. Sitting at the dacha and reading from nothing to do articles on the Internet, each pensioner is so skilled at us that Kogan never dreamed of, and even backed up by his retirement experience, not just this unfinished programmer or mining engineer or a writer. At the end of the article, the author complains that he does not have any ideas on this matter, well, what economic ideas I can’t advise, but I can everyday. Let all kinds of “kogans” run to wherever all his life from Russia and run, it’s cool there, warm, and Amer’s bucks never end, you look and there they will find shale gas ......
    ... well, we will live here, because not all our lives Russia has lived through oil and gas, we will survive and survive, to the evil of the Kogans ......
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 22 August 2013 13: 45 New
      0
      The fact that the author is Kogan or Bergman is understandable to the audience as soon as you read the phrase: "... where the words" intelligentsia "and" creative class "are not curses.
      Creative class, my dear, was never a curse word, but it can be different: some people include Gelman with shabby icons, And for example, Kalashnikov is also from the creative class.
      And such a creative class as Gelman, let the Torahs tear in Israel, and dare, there, if he is not allowed to put them near the crying wall!
  32. mirag2
    mirag2 22 August 2013 10: 01 New
    +2
    Ahhh! Did you jerk? The price doesn’t fall, the shale gas is a fairy tale! People don’t want to see the truth! It always amazed me! You don’t see that we are living under capitalism that won in 1990, it’s 23 years old, you don’t see that government spending on everything is reduced. They don’t buy MiGs on social programs, etc.! Yes, gas has fallen in price, and possibly cheaper yet. HERE and here the government should show itself. How? It’s very easy to find other sources of income, instead what to shout about the machinations of "geyevropy" (in which it’s like living in a bad place itself), and do-put things in order with the sale of timber abroad — if we don’t need Finland’s positive decision on the northern pipe to prohibit the sale of round timber there and -special. term-commercial wood — let their woodworking and pulp-and-paper enterprises close — open their own. Increase sown areas — restore lost areas — sow and grow grain, vegetables, etc. Restore what is still competitively capable. Provide YOURSELF hotf with meat and other grub - without buying in Israel and Brazil - oh let’s do without their economically justified friendship. That is, to do what a normal government should do — the aviation industry will at least produce (civilian) aircraft needed on the domestic market and domestic airlines (+++ jobs),
    I answer the author, there are a lot of ideas, but what's the point of having them? The government should have them, and, most importantly, FULFILL.
    And then after all, if you do not have time to rebuild the economy, you can get anarchy, in the current situation, roughly speaking.
    So, we look at dear Medvedev and expect decisions from him. Which will be unpopular, because he, as the head of government in a capitalist country, will infringe on the majority (ordinary hard workers, for the middle class, which can afford 2 cars (at least 1) + I didn’t have time to form my apartment + vacation in the Czech Republic + tuition fees for at least one child in a university. This class develops when the general mass of people has something to pay for services and goods — and soon we will start saving on food) -and promote the interest of the ruling class- big business, which is likely to pull away from here with all the money .... You know why.
  33. nikcris
    nikcris 22 August 2013 10: 09 New
    0
    Hot nonsense inside the Moscow Ring Road. Two of his comparisons of the prices of important products are touching. The price of juice in Germany (1 bucks, but rather the euro)
    The gas-gas ratio when the prosralipolymers come

    Juice in Russia in chain stores costs 1 euro (for three you can find TosH, but trying)
    Gasoline 30, gas 14. fellow I do not observe universal gasification
  34. dimon-media
    dimon-media 22 August 2013 10: 11 New
    +3
    In terms of gas production, the United States immediately takes first place in the world, squeezing out Russia and Gazprom from there.

    Having read this phrase, I quit reading this muin. Star in shock.
  35. grafrozow
    grafrozow 22 August 2013 10: 18 New
    +4
    The only difference is that in the case of economic disasters, I have no ideas. And you?
    Here is one of the options, environmentally friendly production. wassat
    1. MG42
      MG42 22 August 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
      This is called biogas. laughing in the outhouse
      And here is how the Indians built a toilet for gas production >>
      1. Aryan
        Aryan 22 August 2013 11: 58 New
        0
        are they so going to conquer the moon? belay
  36. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 August 2013 10: 19 New
    0
    Dear forum users, read the author’s biography. THE SAME WRITER FANTAST-joker spoiler decided to play our fantasies with respect to the author. Many readers were led by him to draw.
  37. Djozz
    Djozz 22 August 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    Something like this used to happen, yeah, Star Wars, Reagan’s misinformation project, to draw the USSR into huge defense spending. Where is Star Wars now! The article is provocative and clearly custom-made, you look at the cottage in the "need" it dawned on him, Newton fucking!
  38. Bezarius
    Bezarius 22 August 2013 10: 49 New
    0
    I do not believe in shale gas. Companies that are engaged in its extraction for some reason suffer huge losses instead of income. This is the time. And two, why do we need to produce shale gas, the cost of which is 100 +, when we have a lot of ordinary gas, the cost of which is 20. When production drops significantly, then let’s think about shale. By the way, by then, the technologies will probably appear adequate. And finally, I think that infa about the fact that we do not have shale practically is a fake. We have huge spaces, dofig of all resources, and then suddenly we like there are no shales, well, well.
    1. MG42
      MG42 22 August 2013 11: 22 New
      +2
      Quote: Bezarius
      when we have a lot of ordinary gas, the cost of which is 20

      Gazprom is not bad considering the base price under a contract with Ukraine 450 dollars \ thousand cu.m, of course, add a transport shoulder, but Ukraine is closer than Europe.
      Tymoshenko needs to erect a monument in Russia that such a lucrative contract was signed with her participation .. bully
      Only the adjustment of the shale cost is far beyond 100, >>> 170!
  39. zMouze
    zMouze 22 August 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: piterkras
    Nobody will translate anything. The Rothschilds and Rockefellers rule us after 91 years. What is it like in life? I haven’t tried to include brains. Why hasn’t science and industry developed in the country since then, and have prices risen? Indeed, Russia is a country of fools. This is easy to milk. Residents themselves will not understand that they are working for the West. Well, it's weird.

    Tell me, in what area do you work? You so zealously declare that nothing is developing? Is it possible that you just work as a loader? Or a "manager" in the distribution network?
    It’s not worth saying what you don’t know ...
  40. chenia
    chenia 22 August 2013 11: 30 New
    +3
    Quote: Djozz
    Something like this used to happen, yeah, Star Wars, Reagan’s misinformation project, to draw the USSR into huge defense spending. Where is Star Wars now! The article is provocative and clearly custom-made, you look at the cottage in the "need" it dawned on him, Newton fucking!


    And your conclusions are stupid. Star wars are unjustified, extra expenses.
    And here the main idea of ​​the article is enough to live for free. And absolutely right.

    And while there is bad money, we must again carry out industrialization, raise industry, science, the army, etc.

    And there, shale gas will compete with natural gas, well, to hell with it, if there is production, we will not be lost.
    And failing a shale project, even better, will allow some excesses.

    But one must prepare for the worst case scenario.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 22 August 2013 14: 28 New
      0
      You have a hell of an analysis of the article, in the comments I wrote about Gazprom’s attempt to “divorce” the grandmother, let’s run the misinformation, Gazprom’s capitalization will fall, this is an elementary game for reduction. And you, as in logic, the thesis is replaced by another "In the elderberry garden, uncle in Kiev!" With a compliment!
  41. serzhserzh86
    serzhserzh86 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
    0
    "The United States has become a leading exporter of importers, and this is limited only by the lack of pipes across the ocean." HOW???? what heresy?
    Quote: lewerlin53rus
    It seems that the author suffers from constipation
    it seems to the author that they clamped the skull with a vice and squeezed out the contents (available in small quantities)
    article minus, and the author a shame
  42. Des10
    Des10 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
    +1
    Some kind of deja vu.
    The impression that this article was already on the site not so long ago. Is it possible?
  43. Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 22 August 2013 11: 48 New
    0
    Of course it is possible - only under a different name (as they say, ROOT ROOT)
  44. Sochi
    Sochi 22 August 2013 12: 08 New
    +4
    There was an article on the guidepark (maxpark), the author’s literate people put his head in the toilet ... And the Russians, and the "Russian" liberalists, fell into ecstasy from the idea of ​​the demise of Gazprom and "Raska" ... It’s just an article of ordering, with reality little in common.
    1. Djozz
      Djozz 22 August 2013 14: 32 New
      0
      Here I am, about the same!
  45. Cherdak
    Cherdak 22 August 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    Cool all of you comrade spread:
    Leonid Aleksandrovich Kaganov (May 21, 1972, Moscow) - Russian writer -science fiction writer, poet, screenwriter, humoristTV presenter.
    1. Ajax1d
      Ajax1d 22 August 2013 15: 55 New
      0
      http://lurkmore.to/Леонид_Каганов
  46. keeper
    keeper 22 August 2013 12: 48 New
    +1
    There is a conspiracy theory that the evil Gorbachev ruined the country, and then the people had nothing to eat, and then a strong statesman came and satiety returned. That's just magically the growth of the Russian economy coincided with oil prices, which in 1999 was $ 20 and rose to $ 140 in ten years


    The point is not at all the price of oil / gas, which grew in the 20s, but the abolition of the production sharing law in which oil without taxes went abroad for nothing. This was Putin's first strategic victory for the country's independence.
    1. Belogor
      Belogor 22 August 2013 13: 14 New
      +2
      Yes, it is for this that the GDP has gained so many “friends” who daily wash their bones in all the world media.
      It certainly was something for them! Apparently, he will never be forgiven for this.
  47. dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 17 New
    0
    something, I strongly doubt that all the inhabitants of Russia have a piece of cake from Gazprom ... And as for the Chinese .. there definitely needs to be a lot of work ... and a lot so that after that China will become the largest luxury market in the world .. but this is already not for those who plow for 14 hours ..
  48. 12061973
    12061973 22 August 2013 13: 25 New
    0
    Is the 3D printer not from the same opera?
  49. dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 39 New
    -1
    I put Lena Kogan minus ...
  50. dvvv
    dvvv 22 August 2013 13: 40 New
    0
    Or does he only need clicks?)