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What is behind the next "trade war" between Moscow and Kiev

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As you know, politics always actively influences the economic development of a country, primarily because it is itself a means of solving economic problems. And the economy, of course, is the material basis of politics. Kiev’s decision to sign an association agreement with the European Union in November of this year is a direct rejection of Moscow’s proposal to Ukraine to enter the Customs Union. Therefore, for Ukraine, Russia's decision to block Ukrainian exports to the country was hardly unexpected. The Russian government has repeatedly resorted to such steps in relation to exports from the countries of the former Soviet bloc with the aim of political pressure on the leadership of these countries. For example, in 2005 and 2006, export restrictions were introduced for Georgia and Moldova. Only wines, water and juices were banned, and not all products exporters of a particular country. In 2012, Mr. Onishchenko demanded that all services tighten control over the Ukrainian agricultural products entering Russia. And in February of the same year, the cheeses of three Ukrainian producers were withdrawn from circulation as inconsistent with the technical regulations of the Russian Federation (the content of vegetable fats was exceeded). Then the list of risky producers was replenished with six Ukrainian milk producers. However, over time, the prohibitions were lifted.

But if then it was a question of certain goods, now from August 14 Russia has made almost all of Ukraine’s suppliers on the risk list. And this means a complete check of cargo at the Russian customs, following from Ukraine.

The fact that the problems of Ukrainian exporters did not suddenly begin confirms the problems with the export of products of one of the largest Ukrainian holdings, Roshen. In the middle of the summer of 2013, the Russian Rospotrebnadzor banned the importation of Roshen products into the country, as violations of the safety and quality of confectionery products were identified. In particular, it was revealed that the rate of organoleptics and fats was violated in the candies of the Roshen company, and in milk chocolate a substance dangerous to human health was found - benzopyrene. For Roshen, restricting the importation of products into the territory of Russia is a significant blow to the profitability of production. Despite the fact that the restriction is valid only for a few weeks, the Roshen company has already been forced to reduce 400 employees, and monetary losses have already reached tens of millions of dollars. And this is only one company’s damage. But problems with customs control now have more than 40 Ukrainian suppliers of products that have long-term contracts with Russia. The delay at the border automatically led to a breakdown in the delivery of products, damage to goods, as well as loss of confidence of Russian customers to their Ukrainian business partners.

Among the organizations whose goods are considered risky for the Russian consumer, and PJSC "Ukrnafta" are a number of chemical, metallurgical and machine-building giants of Ukraine. For them, just as for Roshen, the Russian market is critically important, since it was he who made it possible to earn working capital and maintain the viability of production.

According to the Ukrainian side, a complete inspection of vehicles, including unloading of goods, on the border with the Russian Federation is unreasonable. The Ukrainian authorities are well aware of the volume of economic losses that the country will suffer from a full stop of exports, even for a short time. Thus, according to forecasts of Ukrainian experts, the volume of Ukrainian exports to the Russian Federation in the second half of the year was planned at $ 8,5 billion. Possible damage from the unilateral introduction by the Russian side of the customs barrier of Ukrainian products could be $ 2,5 billion - that is, 30% of the total value supplies. As a result, the deficit of the balance of payments of Ukraine may increase by this amount, the industrial production index will decrease to 8 points, real GDP will decrease by 1,5%. All these indicators can not but have a negative impact on the general economic situation in Ukraine. The politicians and industrialists of Ukraine have already asked for help from Prime Minister N. Azarov with a request at the government level to resolve the situation and convince the Russian leadership to return to the previous scheme of passing Ukrainian goods through Russian customs.

As long as Russia did not enter the WTO, it had the right to independently resolve such issues, but now when a conflict situation arose between WTO members, the clarification of relations may well be brought to the international level. In this case, Russia will have to prove, within the framework of international agreements, the validity of its claims against Ukrainian manufacturers. According to international law, exporters of goods and services whose products harm the health of people and animals, damage the environment, pose a risk of infection or illness of radioactive contamination, etc., are placed at the risk of exporters. Additionally, it is required to verify that Ukrainian suppliers have the necessary package of documents (documentation) and Russian certificates for products that should undergo such a check. In other cases, all problems are solved by mutual negotiations.

The blocking of Ukrainian exports raises many questions to both sides of the conflict. There is hope that Ukraine will not immediately complain about Russia's actions in the WTO, but will take steps to organize and conduct negotiations to solve the problems that have arisen.

But perhaps the conflict is not as extensive as it is represented by the media. One of the Kiev officials, Oleg Ustenko, is sure that not all cargo is blocked at Russian customs. If Russia introduced a complete blockade of cargo, then it was a question of losses equal to 12% of Ukrainian GDP. Ustenko believes that restrictions are unlikely to be valid for a long time. He recalled a similar case in which France restricted the importation of goods from Asia, allocating separate ports for them on their territory. After the intervention of the WTO, France had to lift such restrictions for Asian exporters.

One thing is certain, even short-term blocking of goods will cause huge losses to the Ukrainian side. Small and medium business turned out to be especially at risk - it can not withstand significant financial losses from product delays at customs.

According to the Ukrainian side, some extremist forces that will stop at nothing to “embroil the two fraternal countries” are guilty of creating the conflict. The Russian side is still silent, officials do not give any comments. But it will not take long to remain silent - if it is not possible to reach an agreement at the level of heads of state, the WTO will give an assessment of Russia's actions.

It should be noted that during the celebration of the 1025 anniversary of the Baptism of Russia in Kiev, Putin once again tried to persuade Yanukovich to decide on the entry of Ukraine into the Customs Union. Putin promised Ukraine, in the case of joining the Customs Union, an increase in GDP from 1,5% to 6,5%. For Moscow, this question was so principled that in the event that agreements were not reached, it was ready to incur losses with the introduction of the blockade on Ukrainian goods: for the Russian side, politics is primary in relation to the economy.

On the other hand, how much is enough for the Ukrainian side to keep the economic situation in the country, taking into account the fact that Ukraine has long been living on foreign loans, that is, it exists in debt. The overlap of the export flow in the Russian Federation can be very undercutting the support of the Ukrainian authorities. The export blockade may accelerate the split of the Ukrainian authorities. And it is possible that the economic elite of Kiev and the government lobby for rapprochement with Russia will require the president to integrate into the Customs Union. In this case, Russia's actions aimed at splitting the Ukrainian power elite may prove successful.


Materials used:
http://vz.ru//economy/2013/8/14/645664.html
http://www.rosbalt.ru/ukraina/2013/08/14/1164397.html
http://www.km.ru/economics/2013/08/13/vladimir-putin/718296-na-polyakh-srazhenii-torgovoi-voiny-rossii-i-ukrainy-idut
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    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel 21 August 2013 08: 14 New
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      SW Citizens of all used republics of the USSR. Show on a personal example how you participate in governing a country, determine your foreign policy and economy? No matter how. The people are suspended from participation and are in shitty slavery, serfs under the master. What the master decides, so be it. We’ll be quiet about democratic elections. There is no money, you are not a deputy, because The basis of shit democracy is money. No money, sit and do not twitch. Dramocratic elections? Not even funny. What's happening? Neither from you, nor from us. The meanness of one and the dullness of another created this situation. We can only yelp on the site. Warmly support the policies of one and condemn the policies of the other ... and that’s it. Shouting or being silent will not change the situation. We are biomass at this stage with these rulers and this system. And do not comrade To paint Krasin “horror films” with pig elephants with a fat thickness of 35 cm and self-folding legs to reach maximum weight, to facilitate the labor of slaughterers. Tender Ukrainian fat loses well behind the ears of Russians. (All my guests Muscovites immediately run to Privoz for tender lard, which is smoked in the mouth and smoked meats. What could be tastier than Ukrainian sausage and a glass of "samzhenu".)
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2013 08: 38 New
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        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        SW Citizens of all used republics of the USSR. Show on a personal example how you participate in governing a country, determine your foreign policy and economy?

        You know, there is some truth in your words. But how much resentment in your words ... During the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine, separation was carried out under the slogan - stop feeding hungry Russia, there is nothing for yourself and how much can you endure that echelons of our products go to Moscow when they themselves are not enough? The Soviet Union didn’t and food echelons stopped walking, but they didn’t much better live in independent Ukraine, on the contrary they began to live worse, because the sales market disappeared and caravans of cars with trailers stretched towards Russia, on which citizens of independent Ukraine now they also drove Ukrainian products on their own, for sale to Russia. I remember how I had to stand at the border posts for a couple of days, since the flow of "supply" was added to the flow of holidaymakers in the summer.
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Tender Ukrainian fat loses well behind the ears of Russians. (All my guests Muscovites immediately run to Privoz for tender lard, which is smoked in the mouth and smoked meats. What could be tastier than Ukrainian sausage and a glass of "samzhenu".)
        And there will always be buyers for quality products, but the main thing is that lard and products from Ukraine, as well as “gorilki”, can be replaced, in particular, Belarusian and Polish goods, since this is not a problem now. But the question is - where will Ukraine surplus produce?
        And Muscovites do not “run around” - they walk like that, the rhythm of such a life in Moscow ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 00 New
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          Quote: svp67
          And quality products will always have buyers,

          Stopudovo tell you. There are no Rospoterbnadzor certificates on Privoz, but all the same, the quality is good.
          1. Eugene
            Eugene 21 August 2013 09: 10 New
            +2
            Where is Entot Privoz? Forget it!
          2. svp67
            svp67 21 August 2013 09: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            There are no Rospoterbnadzor certificates on Privoz, but all the same, the quality is good.
            Yes, while I was studying, I also visited it myself, so I believe ... although I’m trying to “get on” to cram ...
          3. domokl
            domokl 21 August 2013 18: 09 New
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            Quote: Akim
            There are no Rospoterbnadzor certificates on Privoz, but all the same, the quality is good.

            laughing That much local products remained there? The import became just in many respects an import. From a word to bring ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 18: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: domokl
              That many local products remained there

              Who seeks will always find. A lot of.
              1. domokl
                domokl 21 August 2013 18: 30 New
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                Quote: Akim
                Who seeks will always find. Lot

                The last time I was in Ukraine was five years ago. If it weren’t for my friends to forget the way there, I visited Privoz, according to the old Soviet memory.
                In Moscow and even here in Siberia, anyone looking for a market will find no less and no worse. On the whole, I’ll say that it’s easy to find a replacement for Ukrainian products. But everyone understands that for Ukraine this is not very good. Besides the Ukrainian leadership and deputies .
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 18: 40 New
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                  Quote: domokl
                  The last time was in Ukraine five years ago.

                  The last time NPA Privoz was a week ago. From import I bought only bananas and oranges - they grow poorly with us. Potatoes, tomatoes, cucumbers, plums apples, pork grapes, lard, chicken legs, fish, greens - domestic were in the bag.
          4. nnz226
            nnz226 21 August 2013 18: 41 New
            +8
            Shaw everyone thinks that Russia = this is Moscow ??? Besides Moscow there are hundreds of other cities and villages. And you can go to the bazaar in any other city and see the same great fat that Svidomo has been baking for so long, BUT !!! already produced in the suburban villages of these cities! And believe the quality is not worse! And in Ukraine, visitors "" go to the bazaar to buy lard not because it is “oh what!”, But to treat the guests at home later, to poke fun, saying that they’ve eaten some people who are not fat, they brought lard from Nenko .
        2. smprofi
          smprofi 21 August 2013 13: 07 New
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          Quote: svp67
          During the collapse of the USSR in Ukraine, separation took place under the slogan

          do not engage in demagogy, please!
          Captain Vrungel I wrote everything correctly!
          Quote: svp67
          and food trains stopped going

          laughing
          ORT / RTR / NTV seen enough / heard enough? so I’ll tell you something that is not in the official news and never will be.
          It was the case he worked in an agro-holding (although this was more than 10 years ago). the main specialization is meat production, i.e. growing bulls. how this was done with the “Komsomol enthusiasm" is a separate issue. and not about that. the story is about that at some point the bosses learned that in the Mother See there was some straining with meat. and, most importantly, that meat is at a fair price. Anticipating tremendous profits, they quickly packed up the train and sent it virtually nowhere because there was no real contract for the supply or some kind of buyer. they simply sent an “escort”, grated and swivel, along with the train, with a deficit - they would sell it, surely. Yes, that did not work out to sell. because the strong guys very clearly explained to the “accompanying person” both about sales markets, and about spheres of influence and other delights of “developed capitalism”. and this train of meat came back. while.
          it was only later, some buyer was found who somehow began to take meat from our holding.

          and here’s the most interesting part of the conversation about “product quality”: if our meat went to Europe or to the Arabs (Lebanon itself), it was delivered exclusively in live form, i.e. the bulls were loaded onto the ship alive. in Russia they took only frozen carcasses and no talk of live bulls.

          I don’t even want to talk about Onishchenko’s “seditious” products. the chain dog received the command "face" and accepted it for execution. The very activity of Rospotrebnadzor is far from real protection of Russian citizens from poison.
          1. svp67
            svp67 21 August 2013 18: 56 New
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            Quote: smprofi
            do not engage in demagogy, please!
            Where were you and at what age, at that black time, that for you this is DEMAGOGY, not HISTORY?
            Quote: smprofi
            Captain Vrungel wrote everything correctly!
            Vrungel’s “Truth” (although it sounds funny ..) I’m not going to be refuted. It's just that each side has its own “truth”. You adhere to yours, our side to yours ...
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 21 August 2013 19: 38 New
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            Quote: smprofi
            the chain dog received the command "fas" and accepted it for execution

            Russia will not open its markets to anyone.
          3. avt
            avt 21 August 2013 21: 01 New
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            Quote: smprofi
            I don’t even want to talk about Onishchenko’s “seditious” products. the chain dog received the command "face" and accepted it for execution. The very activity of Rospotrebnadzor is far from real protection of Russian citizens from poison.

            This is, Poroshenko just pointed to the place, if you want to raise money in Russia - behave according to the relevant rules, he is not the first, he is not the last. Another thing is interesting, why did the author not mention the recent meeting with the GDP regarding the expansion of the port economy in the Azov-Black Sea region for the expanding needs of the CU? In practice, the GDP “scored” for Ukraine’s entry into the Customs Union, it cuts off transit through it. So this shuher is not at customs - warning in the air, the cartridge for the control to the head of the GDP has already been charged and warned cleanly, specifically in a brotherly manner. laughing Moscow beats with socks and does not believe in tears, the GDP takes it as a rule in dealing with Yanukovych. So now, like Vysotsky’s, “You don’t howl, don’t cry, but laugh, now tears will not forgive, no matter how much the rope is curled, that's all equally shorten "
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 22 August 2013 02: 37 New
              +1
              Quote: avt
              ,, You don’t howl, don’t cry, but laugh, nowadays tears will not be forgiven, no matter how much the rope wears, they’ll shorten anyway "
              good
        3. Mister X
          Mister X 21 August 2013 16: 42 New
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          Quote: svp67
          The USSR didn’t and food echelons stopped going, but they didn’t much better live in independent Ukraine,

          We have lost a great country sitting at the TV, and now we regret it.

          Not only in Ukraine were people seduced by the sweet speeches of folk artists, writers and poets.
          And when the "Moors did their job" - most of them quietly receded into the shadows,
          and their place was taken by energetic fighters for independence from the "forever drunk and hungry older Russian brother."
          And what have we come to?
          How many gastrobaytory kalymy in Russia and thus support their families?

          In Moldova, for example, the country's GDP is measured in the amount of Western Union remittances from abroad.
          According to official figures, gastro-byte transfers account for 25-30%.
          Plus, the same amount is transmitted through the conductors and drivers of international buses.

          Sorry, not about Ukraine and not about sweets.
          The article briefly mentioned sanctions on the import of wine: this is about us ...
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 21 August 2013 11: 21 New
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        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Tender Ukrainian fat loses well behind the ears of Russians.

        That's just the question: is it Ukrainian ... or Polish?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 42 New
          +9
          Quote: alex13-61
          That's just the question: is it Ukrainian ... or Polish?

          In fact, in Ukraine they chew Brazilian mainly hi
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 21 August 2013 13: 22 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In fact, in Ukraine they chew Brazilian mainly

            As in Russia itself. True, Paraguay is already bypassing Brazil in beef.
          2. alex13-61
            alex13-61 21 August 2013 13: 31 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In fact, in Ukraine they chew Brazilian mainly

            Nah ... Polish will be more.
        2. Captain Vrungel
          Captain Vrungel 21 August 2013 13: 38 New
          +6
          You don’t have to be an om to distinguish Polish fat from home Ukrainian. Only a three-year-old child can confuse and if he is not from Odessa.
          And in general, do not embroider the policies of governments and do not be led by them. Have friends. And then on the table you will have Belarusian cheeses and smoked meats, Ukrainian lard and sausage, Russian fish and caviar. And most importantly, friends at the same table and a celebration of the soul. We all have one Motherland. We were born in the Soviet Union, We grew up in the USSR. And no emblem on the passport will divide us. Our generation is brought up to be proud of their homeland. Today they teach to grovel even before these.
          1. domokl
            domokl 21 August 2013 18: 22 New
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            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            And no emblem on the passport will divide us. Our generation is brought up to be proud of their homeland

            Good words. Correct. Only one no. Our generation has already exceeded the 40-50-year frontier. Our countries are now ruled by those for whom the USSR and Kievan Rus were at about the same time. In ancient times. And for them a movie is being shot about the Stalinist camps, about the famine, about detachments, etc. And we see the fruits of this in any country. Ukrainian guys are fighting with Russians in Chechnya and Georgia, the Baltic people generally consider everyone as enemies, the Georgian will not forget the bitterness of defeat in South Ossetia.
            We should not only have dresies in other countries. We must make sure that our children and grandchildren are friends. We did not think about who lied to anyone and for how much, but we were honestly friends. Not for benefits, not for any concessions, not beyond the territory.
      3. angolaforever
        angolaforever 21 August 2013 14: 45 New
        +5
        At the moment, most Ukrainians have a positive attitude towards Russia and the Customs Union. In the elections, Yanukovych and his Party of Regions received popular support because of his supposedly pro-Russian views, which later turned out to be a hoax. But there is indeed a tendency to increase sympathy for Europe. The reason is that Ukraine is now governed by an organized group with unlimited power, which launders budgetary funds, takes business and enriches itself in every way. It is impossible to find a council for it, since the police, the courts and, in general, the entire administrative resource are in their hands. People are tired of this, are in a desperate situation and want justice. What will the Ukrainian see when he turns his eyes towards Russia? Yes, the same thing! Billions of funds stolen from the budget through the Tax Service, the Ministry of Defense and many other departments and “projects”, the impunity of senior officials (which indicates involvement in these schemes, the very best, hand washes his hand). People who try to point out theft usually come under pressure, rot in prisons, or die in the same prisons, or because of "accidents", or because of "robbery." Laws are written and apply only to ordinary mortals. What does a Ukrainian see in Europe? The ministers ride a bicycle to work, after revealing extramarital affairs, high-ranking officials write letters of resignation (this is impossible to imagine with us). Yes, ordinary people are already tired of working for a handful of those in power, the light is not visible at the end of the tunnel, and this very West shows the Ukrainian little hope that the path to justice will move at least a little. I understand that you can bring a lot of arguments in one direction or the other, I just wanted to draw attention to the root of the problem and the essence of its understanding.
        I would like to ask another question to the people responsible for Russian geopolitics at the state level. Where was Russia when the “orange” revolution took place on the American “Xerox box”? Why was it all left to chance? Where are the representatives of Russian interests in Ukrainian politics? I am struck by some user comments in the style of: “Ukrainians turned to Europe,” “they will regret such a choice,” etc. Yes, ordinary people do not decide anything in Ukraine, wake up. The power and decision-making belongs to an organized group that thought - either to cooperate with a similar Russian group, which is stronger and more toothy, and can put them in a vassal position, or to cooperate with a “democratic” Europe and cut loans from it. The answer is obvious.
        1. Shkodnik65
          Shkodnik65 21 August 2013 15: 09 New
          +3
          What does a Ukrainian see in Europe? Ministers ride a bicycle to work, after revealing extramarital affairs, high-ranking officials write resignations

          And also: gay parades, widespread "tolerance", the dominance of immigrants from Africa and the Middle East who categorically do not want to work, the humiliation of the weaker (Germany, France) weaker (Greece, Portugal ..). I think that there is no "paradise" in the West. One has only to face reality and everything will fall into place, like a sausage in the 90s ... fool
        2. RussianRu
          RussianRu 21 August 2013 16: 03 New
          +5
          You are a naive person, already terrible. Dear views of this kind, you should have refused to trade with Russia yourself, but not to wait for Onishchenko. Why haven’t you increased sales with Europe over these years of independence? I’ll answer, because Europe doesn’t need your goods, it itself has what to sell. Europe, how many promises to Ukraine about NATO, and about the European Union? How many unrealistic requirements (condition) do they expose to Ukraine?
          Russia will live without Ukraine, somehow. Ukraine without Russia in any way. Ukraine will be in debt as in a crack.
      4. domokl
        domokl 21 August 2013 18: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Shouting or being silent will not change the situation

        Captain, captain, smile ... But seriously, please tell me a country where people really do what this cry is famous for in your komenta. Direct democratic governance was the last time in Russia in Novgorod. Yes, and that’s only because that three cripples lived there.
        Large states cannot be ruled by all. They are ruled by those whom the majority has chosen (or sit on the throne). And this is normal.
        And about fat ... In Siberia, fat is also tender. Ukrainians also like laughing
      5. Gari
        Gari 21 August 2013 22: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        SW Citizens of all used republics of the USSR. Show on a personal example how you participate in governing a country, determine your foreign policy and economy? No matter how. The people are suspended from participation and are in shitty slavery, serfs under the master. What the master decides, so be it. We’ll be quiet about democratic elections.

        Bravo respected 100500 pluses to you !!!
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 21 August 2013 09: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: Sirs
      Ukraine - Just be friends with us and act in a friendly manner.


      - This is better for Ukrainian politicians to say. The people do not mind, and even want to be friends. YES what there, wants not wants, relatives are scattered throughout the former union.
      1. Turik
        Turik 21 August 2013 09: 40 New
        +3
        Eh ... Delicious were sweets, especially with apple filling! It is a pity that again because of the politicians, they gnawed again in the trash.
    3. self-propelled
      self-propelled 21 August 2013 10: 06 New
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      Quote: Sirs
      Ukraine - Just be friends with us and act in a friendly manner.

      I think most Ukrainians are only in favor. but Ukrainian politicians ...
      1. smprofi
        smprofi 21 August 2013 13: 12 New
        -16
        Quote: self-propelled
        but Ukrainian politicians ...

        and the Kremlin is exceptionally white and fluffy? why then everyone in the district periodically falls under the distribution? Yes, at least the same Fatherland?

        1. alicante11
          alicante11 21 August 2013 13: 20 New
          +1
          So because everyone in the district needs to decide. Or they are independent and trade with Russia without preferences. Or they creep under the EU, then let them navigate there. Or they come to the arm of Russia, while Father Butka receive oil at reduced prices. True, you have to pay for this by transferring oil refineries to Russian oligarchs. But ... under capitalism, you even have to pay for friendship. And Russia takes only a part, and the Zapadentsy take everything.
        2. self-propelled
          self-propelled 21 August 2013 13: 32 New
          11
          video a little clumsily mounted. would have found something better ... request
          with regards to Russia-no one says that
          Quote: smprofi
          Kremlin - exclusively white and fluffy
          . tell me, you will kindly help your neighbor (let's say on the landing) constantly. help one, two, ... but then get tired. and the fact that they used to live in the same communal apartment and considered each other brothers was not a reason to continue to help ...
          and the fact that Russia primarily defends its interests is normal. because each of us will first think about his family, and not about a neighbor
          1. smprofi
            smprofi 21 August 2013 14: 08 New
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            Quote: self-propelled
            help out of kindness

            understandably. the position is understandable to impossibility. and it’s clear how it formed. and I won’t even breed Turuses and try to prove something because it’s useless.
            Quote: self-propelled
            Russia primarily defends its interests

            we change the word "Russia" to "Kremlin" - and no objections! only for me personally the concepts of "Russia" and "Kremlin" are not identified in any way!

            I will give only one example. with regards to "help" and "their interests."
            introduced the Tsar-Ampirator Vseya Gazprom "economically reasonable gas prices" for Ukraine (and introduced because Ryaby, by stupidity, offended the underreporting). let's say this: in reality, life in Ukraine has become worse. and not only to me alone, but also to many of my relatives / friends.
            at the same time, did it become better to live as an ordinary citizen of Russia? no. I’m not against the fact that some veteran or retired grandmother began to live better at my expense, perhaps. so no! That did not happen! moreover, in addition to talking with relatives in Russia (there are military pensioners and public sector doctors), I also asked questions at various forums: “Ah! Slav brothers, has the ordinary Russian become weaker?” but nifiga! nothing like this happened!
            and I don’t have to try to talk about Gazprom’s “statehood” and other blah blah!
            1. Setrac
              Setrac 21 August 2013 19: 54 New
              +4
              Quote: smprofi
              we change the word "Russia" to "Kremlin" - and no objections! only for me personally the concepts of "Russia" and "Kremlin" are not identified in any way!

              Dear, where do you think the Kremlin is located? On Mars? Contact a psychiatrist, you have broken the causal relationship.
            2. RussianRu
              RussianRu 22 August 2013 14: 57 New
              0
              Do not push your grandmother. At your expense some pensioner began to live better, oh oh patron. At your expense, oranzheroids live well, led by a pimple. Or do you think that all Ukrainians feed the Russians ?. First of all, all this butch, to show your politicians that it’s time to decide, and not to spit in the well from where they are drinking. Something like this.
        3. MG42
          MG42 21 August 2013 13: 58 New
          +9
          Quote: smprofi

          and the Kremlin is exceptionally white and fluffy? why then everyone in the district periodically falls under the distribution? Yes, at least the same Fatherland?

          Ibid. clumsy video editing here is the original of this video >>
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 17: 03 New
            0
            smprofi
            Roll in, this colonel is disqualified.
            And then after all, he will get to the Marshal.
          2. svp67
            svp67 21 August 2013 19: 31 New
            +3
            Quote: smprofi
            and the Kremlin
            What are you doing, Dad, with fraud? And how can you trust after THIS?
          3. Anti
            Anti 21 August 2013 22: 08 New
            +2
            Well done Dmitry Anatolyevich !!!!!! good soldier
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        5. Stock captain
          Stock captain 21 August 2013 14: 49 New
          -3
          Vasya did you beat or only?
        6. ATATA
          ATATA 21 August 2013 16: 55 New
          0
          Quote: smprofi
          and the Kremlin is exceptionally white and fluffy?

          Vasya, you are either a provocateur.
          ETOGES montage.
    4. seller trucks
      seller trucks 22 August 2013 15: 09 New
      -2
      Quote: Sirs
      sweets we will buy Ukrainian and fat.


      no, in Ukraine there is fat, there is import, Brazilian, Belarusian, even American, but there is none
      1. MG42
        MG42 23 August 2013 02: 24 New
        +2
        Quote: seller trucks
        no, in Ukraine there is fat, there is import, Brazilian, Belarusian, even American, but there is none

        in retail chains or in the market there is no Ukrainian fat?
        full .. go to any meat row in the market there is Ukrainian bacon fresh wassat
        It is easy to distinguish between fresh and stale bully all the more so for the farmers what for them Brazilian, when they have their own boars, can you imagine the lard floated across the ocean to Ukraine from Brazil or the USA in what form it will be?
  2. krasin
    krasin 21 August 2013 07: 16 New
    +2
    The fat obtained from Ukraine is used as an additive in the production of sausages, sausages, minced meat, canned soldiers and dog food. When heated to 100-150 ° C in special boilers, all microbes die, but at the same time, the structure of the fat is destroyed.

    Jelly from melted fat, animal skins and viscera is added to meat products along with soy and feathers of birds. So it is possible to pass control on the content of animal protein.

    Production using such technology is so profitable that Russia over the past 5 years has become the largest importer of fat. It is imported from Mexico, Kyrgyzstan, Brazil and even Australia. Profit from the sale of elite sausages covers the cost of logistics.

    Having assessed the opening market, in Ukraine they decided to grab most of it. What I achieved, even if not by the most honest methods. For fattening pigs whose lard is exported to Russia, corn grain and soybeans are used, genetically modified so that the unfortunate animal that fed them dies of obesity in the first year of life. In part, this solves the problem of slaughter, because killing a pig, with 35 cm fat under the skin, is not an easy task. Of course, all this is carefully hidden, because the publication of such is unprofitable for the authorities of the “Independent”.
    And our sausage "Pinocchio" - well, it is very profitable to turn the sausage.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 08: 10 New
      15
      WTO campaign, Ukraine’s last hope. Just do not forget about precedents. That Russia blocked the import of chicken from the United States. Oh how they threatened then. So what? The European Union immediately closed its market. And Ukraine cannot sell anything there in such volumes as to Russia. And under no "associations" will not sell. Will only be required to accept illiquid assets and refuse.

      Now Russia has briefly demonstrated a possible future for the mind of independent science fiction politicians.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2013 08: 42 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        WTO campaign, Ukraine’s last hope

        Time will tell...
        1. Dilshat
          Dilshat 21 August 2013 09: 24 New
          +3
          1. The WTO is an economic stranglehold for suicide countries entering it.
          2. Once the authorities of Ukraine are not friends with their heads and their people, well, they will have to hint until they begin to reach.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 08: 54 New
        0
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        WTO campaign, Ukraine’s last hope.

        And hope dies last laughing As far as I remember, the Ukrainian authorities all threatened to sue Gazprom and all that, things are still there. If Russia had a losing position on this issue, then we did something else. The WTO will not help them, so there are TS rules.
      3. FATEMOGAN
        FATEMOGAN 21 August 2013 12: 41 New
        +4
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        WTO campaign, Ukraine’s last hope


        It is a pity that it is not the brain activity of Ukrainian politicians. Glazev’s interview, which recently and thoroughly chews on the consequences for Ukraine of an agreement with the European Union, is that it will not only be an economic agreement. Ukraine will have to follow European international politics, Ukraine undertakes, under the leadership of the European Union, to participate in civil and military operations to resolve crises, etc., etc. ..... If they sign this agreement, then Ukraine becomes a colony of the European Union, without any rights this is obliged to all ....

        1. Bigriver
          Bigriver 21 August 2013 14: 30 New
          +4
          Quote: FATEMOGAN
          ... Glazev’s interview, which recently and thoroughly chews the consequences for Ukraine from an agreement with the European Union ..

          Glazyev does not say anything about this, but it follows directly - the Ukrainian government is surrendering its country to Brussels as a colony.
          Obviously, the government itself will now play the role of well-paid overseers.
          No, this is not a dream of reason. This is a direct and cynical betrayal of the people of Ukraine.
          “The people are silent” (A.S. Pushkin).
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2013 08: 41 New
      +1
      Quote: krasin
      What I achieved, even if not by the most honest methods

      I would like to know if they themselves came up with this or adopted the best international practices? I think that all over the world they are trying so hard for export, it remains only to recall the history of the German chickens, how they were "prepared" for export ..
    3. IGS
      IGS 21 August 2013 08: 58 New
      +3
      As for the use of fat in sausage and other meat products, I want to disappoint you, at the moment in most cases (including elite varieties of products) a fat substitute based on vegetable oil is used, it is cheaper, it simplifies the process chain, the shelf life and organoleptic properties increase. The rejection of the massive use of fat in the meat processing industry of Russia occurred in the nineties, due to interruptions in the supply of just Ukrainian fat, then Ukraine wanted to make us a “byak”, the result ... we made ourselves.
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 21 August 2013 13: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: IGS
        As for the use of fat in sausage and other meat products, I want to disappoint you, at the moment in most cases (including elite varieties of products), a fat substitute based on vegetable oil is used

        Nonsense. I doubt very much that sausage bacon, even if not of the highest quality, can be replaced with vegetable fats.
        1. IGS
          IGS 21 August 2013 13: 54 New
          +1
          In vain)) The technology was developed, but was not approved, back in the Soviet Union, during the crop failure, when the Doctor's sausage fell in price (and not only it), due to a change in the recipe (GOSTs were also changed). They remembered it in the mid-nineties, in connection with the cessation of supplies from Ukraine, many enterprises simply stood up. I had to readjust the process and change the recipe, the substitute, in fact, includes bacon about 20%. When Ukraine resumed supplies ... no one began to redo everything.
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 21 August 2013 14: 48 New
            +3
            Quote: IGS
            The technology was developed, but was not approved, back in the Soviet Union, during the crop failure, when the Doctor’s sausage became cheaper (and not only it), due to a change in the recipe (GOSTs were also changed).

            You are confusing different technologies. Yes, cooked sausages with a uniform texture allow the addition of vegetable fats. But they were never "elite varieties of products."
            1. IGS
              IGS 21 August 2013 15: 32 New
              -1
              For example, in "Braungschweiskaya" - a substitute based on palm oil and bacon is used, in any case, in 2005 it was. And do not forget GOST is no more. Therefore, believe me, everyone has their own recipe, and there is room for the technologist’s imagination wink
    4. smprofi
      smprofi 21 August 2013 13: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: krasin
      For fattening pigs, whose fat is exported to Russiaused corn grain and soybeans, genetically modified in this waythat the unfortunate animal that was eating them dies of obesity in the first year of life.

      where is this fantastic nonsense from? what kind of zhurnalyuga did the silk-bearer born this? a simple feed grain cost our agricultural holding practically for nothing (I won’t describe the scheme, it’s not interesting), but all sorts of “additives” and “additives” cost a lot of money. the "Komsomol" bosses had no desire to splurge on them. it makes no sense if the profit is already normal.
      By the way, GMOs are banned in Ukraine, but not in Russia.

      and, finally, a joke, albeit from Soviet times, but beloved in our holding.

      a man is standing in the bazaar, selling lard. fit buyer:
      - Good fat. What fed the pig?
      - Heh, bread.
      the buyer takes out the OBXSS crusts and writes a fine "for the theft of socialist property."
      second day, the buyer is suitable:
      - Good fat. What fed the pig?
      a man scratches in turnips "I already paid a fine for bread ...":
      - Yes, and fed shit ...
      the buyer takes out the crust of the sanitary and epidemiological station and writes out a fine "for violation of sanitation".
      The third day, the buyer is suitable:
      - Good fat. What fed the pig?
      a man scratches in turnips "I already paid a fine for bread ..., I paid for a fine ...":
      - Yes, he gave the ruble in the morning ... But de wono, scho wono ......
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 21 August 2013 16: 51 New
        +2
        And indeed, soy and corn are genomodified for resistance to herbicides
    5. Ivan Sirko
      Ivan Sirko 21 August 2013 22: 56 New
      +1
      .genetically modified in such a way that the unfortunate animal that was eating them dies of obesity in the first year of life ...
      You wouldn’t have pictures, boss, you should write books!
  3. Bigriver
    Bigriver 21 August 2013 07: 19 New
    13
    "What is behind the next" trade war "between Moscow and Kiev"

    There is a simple and understandable desire of Russia to bring the policy of the brotherly country closer to reality.
    Are you not interested in TS and integration into its market? Great!
    Let’s take a rough look and feel in your pocket how is it without the Russian market?
    1. ale-x
      ale-x 21 August 2013 12: 30 New
      0
      Everything is simple ... Short and clear. +
    2. Jet blackbird
      Jet blackbird 21 August 2013 21: 35 New
      -4
      You forgot the "folk wisdom", which reads: "You won’t be forcibly sweet!" )) Everyone who forgets this wisdom - feels jealousy and annoyance)) You can still ask yourself the question: "And then what?" Will you build the Iron Curtain? and expel Ukrainian "spies"?
  4. borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 21 August 2013 07: 27 New
    +5
    from the Don.
    Russia's attempts to influence Ukraine’s not leaving for Euro.opa will not lead to anything! Kiev, local: Pinocchio;, they will drag the country into the EU. The elite of Ukraine are not affected by the examples of Bulgaria, pribaltos, where the countries are practically ruined! You won’t be forcibly sweet! !! Flag in hand: Square: !!!
    1. afire
      afire 21 August 2013 08: 51 New
      +5
      Yes, the fact of the matter is that we are already trying to take the flag from her hands for her own sake.
      First, I would never believe that the Ukrainian elite does not need the money that it earns from trading with Russia! Consequently, suspicions that the Ukrainian elite are stirring up deliberately so as not to join the TS-MIF Proven! Elite means small and large commerce.
      The second - Putin’s brains are composted exclusively by the President of Ukraine, kicks and defies. Consequently - someone is putting pressure on him and very much will pinpoint for himself and for his surroundings. Therefore, in order to spur commerce, they were limited, at the same time they proved to the President of Ukraine that he would be devoured inside the country if he continued to rush to two camps.
      The result - they showed Ukraine and proved to her that to love Europe is bad when close friends are around. There is a likelihood that Obama was also offended by this and overgrown with a bunch of insults at Russia, and Putin was handsome, two birds with one stone.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 02 New
      -1
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      ! Kiev, local: Pinocchio;, dragged the country into the EU.

      The question is who will be worse? Idiocy in the power of Ukraine is booming
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 21 August 2013 17: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: borisjdin1957
      The elite of Ukraine is not affected by the examples of Bulgaria, pribaltos, where countries are almost ruined!

      The Ukrainian elite thinks that it has already “reserved” itself for a comfortable life in Europe. Everyone has more than one millionaire kidnapped, like V. Balogi, who is now vehemently advocating “sorting out” Russia with the help of the WTO. Well, yes, here it is "from somewhere it took over 400 million euros in a Swiss bank." He cannot explain the origin of this money and did not indicate it in the declaration. Probably, everything would have gone like that, but only now there is a check on corruption schemes, money laundering and so on ... I didn’t take into account the Balogh that this Swiss bank bought Sberbank of Russia in 2011 !!!
      As for Mr. Poroshenko, who "on time" seized the Karl Marx factory and Roshen appeared, another "European integrator". Then let him try to sell his sweets in Europe! The quality has become much worse, whose was under the USSR. Well, and, as they say "evil languages", the human factor played a role. a batch of sweets, which was supposed to be distributed in Ukraine, was accidentally exported. Who knew there would be a check! laughing
  5. Valery Neonov
    Valery Neonov 21 August 2013 07: 33 New
    -1
    Quote: BigRiver
    Let’s take a rough look and feel in your pocket how is it without the Russian market?

    hi They take doubts about the successful promotion of Ukrainian goods in the EU.
    With regards to the fact that"clarification of relations may well be brought to the international level- I'm sure the Kremlin will be able to prove its case! hi
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 21 August 2013 08: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Valery Neon
      hi They take doubts about the successful promotion of Ukrainian goods in the EU.
      With regards to the fact that"clarification of relations may well be brought to the international level- I'm sure the Kremlin will be able to prove its case! hi

      hi
      fellow That is in vain you are erecting a slander to the EU crying
      They will destroy their own production (auto, metal, mechanical engineering, optics, electrics, etc.) and agriculture, if only Ukraine would live and develop !!! laughing
      About "The Kremlin will be able to prove its case!"
      For some reason, I have no doubt about it. Putin can be blamed for anything, but not for impulsiveness and the absence of a thorough miscalculation of the situation.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 05 New
        -1
        Quote: BigRiver
        They will ruin their production (auto, metal, mechanical engineering, optics, electrics, etc.) and agriculture, if only Ukraine would live and develop !!

        Yes, it’s full of you, do you really think that the EU is so insidious? They sleep in the EU and see that Ukraine joins a friendly European family, that Ukraine prospers and lives, like in Holland (Storage no longer channels, has not grown together laughing )
        Scha Kars will come and confirm this to you wink
        1. avia12005
          avia12005 21 August 2013 11: 08 New
          +3
          The main goal of Ukraine’s involvement in association with the EU is to increase the number of gay communities at the expense of the Slavs fool
        2. Kars
          Kars 21 August 2013 11: 41 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Scha Kars will come and confirm it to you

          I think it will nevertheless confirm the WTO. And after such demarches, it’s not worth filing claims. Roshen’s products did not find any deviations - therefore, it makes sense to suppress the claim for damages. But you are lazy and flirting with you.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 21 August 2013 11: 51 New
            -1
            yes they find, do not worry. As the saying goes, there would be a pillar, but there is always a way to touch it.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 53 New
            +2
            Quote: Kars
            I think the WTO will nevertheless confirm it. And after such demarches of shyness, lawsuits should not be filed.

            No Kars will not confirm, and here's why! We have our own trade relations with the EU, including those concluded within the framework of the WTO and the TC, including those based on them. You sign a trade agreement with the EU and immediately get the rules of trade the same as with the EU from Russia. The WTO contains many prohibitive rules, so if you were right, your officials would already yell about the court and the WTO, but there’s nothing to say. Everyone understands everything. Everything within the rules and no more.
            Quote: Kars
            No deviations were found in Roshen's products - therefore, it makes sense to suppress a claim for damages.

            They will not, the trial may last for years, and this is a complete loss of the market. And Russia is not a country with which, due to Roche, the West will roll up a storm.
            If it rolls, then things will not go beyond words, it already was.
            Quote: Kars
            .But you are almond and flirting.

            No, Kars is flirting with you, now you don’t especially flirt with Russia, not that time already!
            1. Kars
              Kars 21 August 2013 12: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Kars won't confirm

              We'll see.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              They will not, the trial can last for years, and this is a complete loss of the market

              This is what saves you. And it allows you to develop a sense of impunity and arrogance.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              No, Kars is flirting with you, now you don’t especially flirt with Russia, at that time, already

              Again, let's see. And you come out ordinary blackmailers and lawless?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              immediately get the rules of trade are the same as with the EU in Russia.

              So do we want these, or will you say that all goods from the EU are unloaded, outweighed, and so on?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 48 New
                +2
                Quote: Kars
                We'll see.

                And there’s nothing to watch.
                Quote: Kars

                This is what saves you. And allows you to develop a sense of impunity and arrogance

                Yes, the most impudent country Russia wink
                Quote: Kars
                . And you are ordinary blackmailers and messengers?

                Of course, Russia is only doing what is involved in blackmail, but the EU, they are so-kind, kind winked
                Quote: Kars
                So do we want these, or will you say that all goods from the EU are unloaded, outweighed, and so on?

                Ha, have you ever been to a customs post, there are hundreds of containers at our customs, and until a customs officer looks into everyone, the container will not go anywhere. Plus, the corridor in the container breaks through, unloads, looks like they put it there. Get used to the new rules hi
                1. Kars
                  Kars 21 August 2013 12: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And there’s nothing to watch.

                  Let's look at nothing.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yes, the most impudent country Russia

                  Well, one of
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Of course, Russia is only doing that it is engaged in blackmail, but the EU, they are so-kind, kind

                  In fact, yes.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Ha, have you ever been to a customs post, there are hundreds of containers at our customs, and until a customs officer looks into everyone, the container will not go anywhere. Plus, the corridor in the container breaks through, unloads, looks like they put it there. Get used to the new rules

                  So I do not mind, only on a general basis. Before that, you can say that the Ukrainian containers, wagons - passed so without inspection.
                  1. hiocraib
                    hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 08 New
                    -1
                    kars
                    here I, as a citizen of Belarus, have questions about the vehicle:
                    1. Machines (average cost before the introduction of vehicle duties of about 6 and up to 000 years) have become more expensive by 10 euros.
                    2. in 2011, the Belarusian ruble was devalued 3 times (the dollar from 3 thousand became 9 thousand).
                    3. Large enterprises - MTZ, MAZ - work on a four-day basis and are expelled on holidays, there is nowhere to put products on the territory. rejection of defense industry products (for example, replacing the MZKT with KamAZ, which has never made this class of equipment)
                    3. the twisting of Russian politicians hands on the sale of state-owned enterprises to Russian PARTICIPANTS - dairy and other wars ...

                    tell me, these are only superficial examples of what benefits and what kind of winnings from the TS for Belarus they say !?
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 21 August 2013 13: 11 New
                      +1
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      kars
                      here I, as a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, have questions about the vehicle

                      Well this is probably not a question for anyone, but here I think there are many who want to answer.
                      1. hiocraib
                        hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 18 New
                        -2
                        unfortunately, "many people" believe that the Russian Federation should all ...
                        and they are terribly surprised when they are sent.

                        At one time, Belarus was “lucky” with Lukashenko — we have no choice — we have no EU or RF. Ukraine has so far. but the Russian Federation is working hard to make the choice disappear - only the EU will remain ...
                        and Lukashenko is not eternal - the situation in the same Republic of Belarus, after the bankruptcy and plunder of the MTZ, MAZ will ...
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 13: 20 New
                      +6
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      1. Machines (average cost before the introduction of vehicle duties of about 6 and up to 000 years) have become more expensive by 10 euros.

                      The fact that prices will rise on cars spoke for earlier.
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      2. in 2011, the Belarusian ruble was devalued 3 times (the dollar from 3 thousand became 9 thousand).

                      The dollar collapsed to the vehicle when you swept everything off the shelves.
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      3. Large enterprises - MTZ, MAZ - work on a four-day basis and are expelled on holidays, there is nowhere to put products on the territory. rejection of defense industry products (for example, replacing the MZKT with KamAZ, which has never made this class of equipment)

                      And who refused when?
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      tell me, these are only superficial examples of what benefits and what kind of winnings from the TS for Belarus they say !?

                      As I understand it, since all the questions are for Kars, you are for "paradise" with the EU. Drive yourself to the EU, only without Belarus.
                      1. hiocraib
                        hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 31 New
                        -7
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The fact that prices will rise on cars spoke for earlier.

                        Is it a type of excuse that the same product has become twice as expensive?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        The dollar collapsed to the vehicle when you swept everything off the shelves.

                        who swept away what? traded in gray for ye.

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And who refused when?

                        http://war.newru.org/news/rossija_menjaet_mzkt_na_kamaz/2012-12-11-121

                        answers to questions why MAZ and MTZ cannot sell products in the Russian Federation I will not hear?

                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        As I understand it, since all the questions are for Kars, you are for "paradise" with the EU. Drive yourself to the EU, only without Belarus.

                        Yes, I somehow do not care what you understand there;)
                        But as a citizen of Belarus, I want to know why, after joining a vehicle in Belarus, prices do not creep down, enterprises do not work, and diapers in neighboring Poland are 3 times cheaper!
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 13: 44 New
                        +2
                        Quote: hiocraib
                        Yes, I somehow do not care what you understand there;)

                        Hey you, it’s yours not a hamie citizen damn RB. And better go to Poland.
                      3. hiocraib
                        hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 50 New
                        0
                        I knew that I wouldn’t hear anything worthwhile about the advantages of the TS for Belarus ...
                      4. Zopuhhh
                        Zopuhhh 21 August 2013 18: 31 New
                        +5
                        Answer me a citizen of Ukaraina, sorry RB, why do you think Russia owes you something? I remember in the 90s all of you and the citizens of Ukraine and the Republic of Belarus received OUR oil and gas at dumping prices, something I didn’t hear thanks for that ... But only that we should continue to give OUR raw materials for a penny ...
                        And from the TS RB receives resources at a significant discount, plus access to our market ...
                      5. hiocraib
                        hiocraib 21 August 2013 18: 54 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Zopuhhh
                        why do you think Russia owes you something?

                        Did I say somewhere that Russia owes me something?

                        Quote: Zopuhhh
                        I remember in the 90s all of you and the citizens of Ukraine and the Republic of Belarus received OUR oil and gas at dumping prices, something I did not hear for that thanks.

                        Thank you.

                        Quote: Zopuhhh
                        And just that we must continue to give our raw materials for a penny.

                        you yourself decide what kind of business you have with "pricing." and this, what oligarchs do you belong to?

                        Quote: Zopuhhh
                        And from the CU RB receives resources with a significant discount,

                        and gets it back in the form of "cheaper" Belarusian goods for this amount.

                        Quote: Zopuhhh
                        plus access to our market ..

                        which the EU and China have without any vehicles ...
                        about electricity for the Chinese, I better keep silent.
                  2. Setrac
                    Setrac 21 August 2013 20: 09 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Hey you, it’s yours not a hamie citizen damn RB. And better go to Poland.

                    No hiocraib is Belarus, an ordinary Jewish provocateur (Jews are usually registered under the Soviet flag).
            2. alicante11
              alicante11 21 August 2013 13: 27 New
              +3
              By and large, the question is posed in this form. That your oligarchs must transfer their assets to our oligarchs. Then the heavy will be bought again and there will be no milk wars. And to ordinary people, taking into account the general rules of the game, there will be no difference.
              The main difference from the EU is that our oligarchs need your plants for work, but for the EU members to destroy. Here the people will suffer specifically with the oligarchs.
              And by the way, in this respect I completely approve of our Russian oligarchs and officials. Because, excuse me, but who knows your politicians when it comes to their minds to bounce and reorient to the west. But father, with all due respect to him, a weather vane is good if necessary. And how can we resist this? This is your sovereign right. And so, if industry is in the hands of the Russians, then Belarusians do not make sense to look to the West.
              1. hiocraib
                hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 42 New
                -3
                Quote: alicante11
                your oligarchs must transfer their assets to our oligarchs.

                correction - our STATE should give the golden hens to your VORIA.

                Quote: alicante11
                And to ordinary people, taking into account the general rules of the game, there will be no difference.

                yes, what went before the state (profit) and went to the budget will go directly to British banks. of course there is no difference;)

                Quote: alicante11
                The main difference from the EU is that our oligarchs need your plants for work, but for the EU members to destroy.

                need to work? or want to crush the ONLY competitor?

                Quote: alicante11
                Here the people will suffer specifically with the oligarchs.

                we do not have oligarchs - in the layer, Lukachenko did not give thieves a green light, everything that belonged to the state remained in the hands of the state.

                Quote: alicante11
                Because, excuse me, but who knows your politicians when it comes to their minds to bounce and reorient to the west.

                and what, the Russian Federation has some kind of program for further development? Well, except for the "fight against corruption" and the renaming of the police as policemen? because the only Russian program is “what the left heel of the GDP wishes” ...

                Quote: alicante11
                And how can we resist this?

                elect sane politicians who think about Russia, and not about the throne. and they don’t store money in English banks.

                Quote: alicante11
                And so, if industry is in the hands of the Russians, then Belarusians do not make sense to look to the West.

                what oligarchs have a nationality? profits from the Russian Federation are withdrawn in England, and losses are distributed among the "scattered". or not?
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 21 August 2013 16: 20 New
                0
                correction - our STATE should give the golden hens to your VORIA.


                Come on. Like the sun does not have its own oligarchs and thieves? Thieves are thieves everywhere. And what's the difference under which flag?

                yes, what went before the state (profit) and went to the budget will go directly to British banks. of course there is no difference;)


                Local taxes are paid to local budgets. And the loss of central taxes is offset by trade preferences.

                need to work? or want to crush the ONLY competitor?


                For work. For the sake of crushing, no one would subsidize Belarus.

                we do not have oligarchs - in the layer, Lukachenko did not give thieves a green light, everything that belonged to the state remained in the hands of the state.


                That is unlikely. Although, of course, yours cannot be compared with our sharks, you are right. But, nevertheless, there is not much difference here, who is the owner. This is capitalism, unfortunately.

                and what, the Russian Federation has some kind of program for further development? Well, except for the "fight against corruption" and the renaming of the police as policemen? because the only Russian program is “what the left heel of the GDP wishes” ...


                The program of the Russian Federation is a "besieged fortress" in which oligarchs hide together with their towers and factories. By the way, But father is also in this fortress, although he kicks at times. And that would have long since Gaddafi finished.

                elect sane politicians who think about Russia, and not about the throne. and they don’t store money in English banks.


                I mean - reprisal on the part of the Slav brothers when they are beckoned from the west. This often happened quite recently.

                what oligarchs have a nationality? profits from the Russian Federation are withdrawn in England, and losses are distributed among the "scattered". or not?


                As Cyprus flogging showed, yes. They have. Well, the example of the BAB, which the good British stripped like gangsters from the gateway, also shows well what awaits "our" oligarchs in the civilized West.

                The only thing I’m afraid of is that they will be accepted into a friendly oligarchic international. Then we all have a lid. But ... I think that is unlikely. Too some greedy these oligarchs do not like to share.
              3. hiocraib
                hiocraib 21 August 2013 17: 24 New
                0
                Quote: alicante11
                Like the sun does not have its own oligarchs and thieves?

                oligarchs - no. and bureaucrats, at best, steal money on a two-story cottage near Minsk, rather than “earn” it on a mansion in London.

                Quote: alicante11
                And what's the difference under which flag?

                in RB thieves will sit, and not go to London.


                Quote: alicante11
                Local taxes are paid to local budgets.

                oh come on, we know these "at a loss work" registered in the Cayman Islands.

                Quote: alicante11
                And the loss of central taxes is offset by trade preferences.

                MTZ and MAZ work in a warehouse - what's the point?

                Quote: alicante11
                For work. For the sake of crushing, no one would subsidize Belarus.

                KamAZ or MAZ?

                Quote: alicante11
                I mean - reprisal on the part of the Slav brothers when they are beckoned from the west. This often happened quite recently.

                do not understand.
              4. IGS
                IGS 21 August 2013 17: 33 New
                +4
                Do not pay attention to this troll with Ukrainian-Belorussian-German affiliation, I have already come across its demagogy, read below, people are well enlightened. He studied the globe and returned back. wassat
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 13: 16 New
      +4
      Quote: Kars
      Let's look at nothing.

      Now you’re sitting in Ukraine, you’re looking at nothing, it’s time to get used to it really. I don’t remember that Ukraine would win something in Russia. The weight categories are different.
      Quote: Kars
      Well, one of

      And who else, just don’t talk about the EU, I won’t believe laughing
      Quote: Kars
      In fact, yes.

      Yes, in the EU they are kind of "fact" good, already Greece, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, Cyprus, Spain howling wolves from the kindness there wassat Well, bring a fact, for that matter.
      Quote: Kars

      So I do not mind, only on a general basis.

      So they will be, plus additional duties, which will lead to higher prices for Ukrainian goods, but in fact they will simply be equal to prices for goods from the EU. Question, will they take Ukrainian goods? And count the losses, Azarov was already thinking there, sitting with Yanek, scratching his turnips.
      1. hiocraib
        hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 24 New
        -2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Greece, ..., Baltic States, Cyprus, Spain

        I regret only one thing - that they started to give loans to foolish states that had squandered other people's money in a casino (exchange).
        they did everything right with Cyprus - banks must pay for their own actions!

        But you can recall Poland, the Czech Republic, etc. whose entry into the EU and denyuzhki on the development of infrastructure is very well raised.
        and the opening of their auto industry is also very good, no?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 13: 49 New
          +4
          Quote: hiocraib
          they did everything right with Cyprus - banks must pay for their own actions!

          Yes, with banks, just everything is in order, but with Cyprus itself there are problems laughing
          Quote: hiocraib
          But you can recall Poland, the Czech Republic, etc. whose entry into the EU and denyuzhki on the development of infrastructure is very well raised.

          And what Germany did not remember?
          Quote: hiocraib
          and the opening of their auto industry is also very good, no?

          What prevents Belarus from opening new plants. I tell you again, go to Poland!
        2. hiocraib
          hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 59 New
          -7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, with banks, just everything is in order, but with Cyprus itself there are problems

          Duc, if the state lives due to fraud of creditors and defamation with taxes - then what's so surprising?
          but the process has not yet been completed, there will be a global crisis, the banking system has not yet been put in place.

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And what Germany did not remember?

          Germany is the old EU. Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic - new members, varying degrees of "news".

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          What prevents Belarus from opening new plants.

          RF interferes. no more than that year they wanted to arrange the release of Gele (former Peugeot 407) - oh what Onishchenkov howl began!
          and the EU under Lukashenko will not invest in Belarus ...


          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          I tell you again, go to Poland!

          and why are you so fapa in Poland?
  • Egoza
    Egoza 21 August 2013 17: 24 New
    +5
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    then your officials would already yell about the court and the WTO, but there’s nothing to say. Everyone understands everything. Everything is within the rules and no more.

    Yes already squealing! Sense something! The quality of Ukrainian products is very well written by G. Akimova Europe, ice cream and toxins
    http://www.versii.com/news/284486/
    I highly recommend reading and taking into account at least for myself and for my children. G. Akimova is one of the few serious journalist-economists, she always has very accurate, balanced articles.
    Well, today, "Azarov noticed that the Russian customs from August 14 tightened control over the goods of Ukraine. The Federal Customs Service of Russia explained that the so-called" risk group "included goods that, in its opinion, did not have a certificate of origin, issued accordingly. At the same time, for a month and a half, Russian customs issued the so-called “risk profiles” for certain groups of goods that caused certain reservations.
    "Unfortunately, Some Ukrainian exporting companies did not pay due attention to the increased requirements of Russian customs officers. And it is from this that the organizers of the business need to draw conclusions. And we need to draw conclusions from the fact that the interaction between the customs authorities of neighboring countries, which have huge commodity circulation, was far from up to par ”
    http://polemika.com.ua/news-125006.html
  • ATATA
    ATATA 21 August 2013 17: 52 New
    +1
    Karsa It's time to dump.
    I bow to the Jewish grandmother.
    hi Kars to tear Russians and Ukrainians, it's like tearing Russians and Siberians.
    the crime.
    Ukrainians, Siberians, Kuban = Russian.
    Death VUKAINSKIM collaborators.
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 21 August 2013 19: 37 New
      0
      Quote: ATATA
      The death of VUKAINSKIM collaborators.

      I’m all thinking when you will be banned for deliberately and constantly inciting inter-racial hatred and the constant impudent distortion of the name of my country?
      And by the way, that atata in general what thread of nationality do you like, or rather treat them normally? And then I’m thinking: the USA and other “gay men” fall away, Jews and Ukrainians, well, everything is clear with you, too, you hardly love Arabs or Negroes either, the answer is clear to your Caucasians. You are hardly enthusiastic about the Scandinavians and the Baltic states. Maybe they like the Central Asians - I do not believe even. The Chinese and other eastern peoples, but I can’t believe it ... I can assume a maximum of a neutral attitude towards the Indians (while they still buy something from Russia, they will stop, neutrality will end) and even South America is in doubt ... there is too little information about them. So do you love Atat, at least someone other than yourself and your next of kin (I strongly doubt that you love even all Russians)?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 22 August 2013 02: 32 New
        -2
        Quote: Corneli
        kindling of inter-racial hatred and constant impudent distortion of the name of my country?

        This land that the thieves stole is not your country.
        This is the western edge of my country, which is called Russia.
        Quote: Corneli
        And by the way, that atata in general what thread of nationality do you like, or rather treat them normally?

        What is your nationality?
        Judging by how you label you Jewish.
        Jews in life often met decent and honest.
        On the forums never.
        Yes and minus for the fact that you ask the questions themselves and answer them yourself.
        Quote: Corneli
        So do you love Atat, at least someone other than yourself and your next of kin (I strongly doubt that you love even all Russians)?

        100% Jewish!
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 22 August 2013 13: 53 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          What is your nationality?
          Judging by how you label you Jewish.

          Quote: ATATA
          100% Jewish!

          I am MB and would be happy to be a Jew so hated by you, but I am no less hated Ukrainian))). Just Ukrainian)
          P.S. You didn’t put a label on me? "calling" a Jew, and even "100%"? You yourself there as with nat. affiliation?) And you still haven’t answered the question .... current “labels” and congresses (Atat, such an atat (((
          P.P.S. I don’t give a damn about the likes of you, but rather a reward. I don’t put anyone in the mud, di and "minus" not often ... although it is necessary) wink
  • Flooding
    Flooding 21 August 2013 13: 36 New
    0
    Quote: Kars
    I think it will confirm the WTO


    Of course it will. Confirm what? Compliance of Ukrainian goods with European quality standards?

    Quote: article
    According to the Ukrainian side, some extremist forces are guilty of creating the conflict, who will stop at nothing to "quarrel the two fraternal countries."

    Here it is. As soon as the profit came under attack, we immediately remembered the forgotten terminology.
  • domokl
    domokl 21 August 2013 18: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    They sleep and see in the EU that Ukraine would join a friendly European family, that Ukraine would prosper and live, like in Holland (Storage no longer channels, laughing has not grown together)

    Hi debater. I read, read the comments of Ukrainian colleagues and came to the conclusion that Russia was, is and will be. Let not Ukrainian lard or wheat and what else is there. But it will be good to eat.
    But Ukraine probably already has enough stopping to go where it is torn so much. It wants to go to the EU, to NATU, where there is still a tablecloth. Russian Ukrainians will be like Russian Jews in Israel. It’s like theirs. Stop talking about brotherhood and other nonsense (after our military conflicts with other countries and in Chechnya). Ukrainians are independent, co-opted people, They want to live well, but without Russia constantly deceiving them. let them live.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 33 New
      0
      Quote: domokl
      Hi debater.

      hi
      Quote: domokl
      But Ukraine probably already will stop stopping to go where it is torn so much. It wants to go to the EU, to NATU, where there is still a tablecloth

      Sasha, yes, I, as well as for, so that this smut would not be there, BUT ....
      The worse it will be with the EU, the more Russia will again be to blame.
      Yes, and NATA does not suit me, so request
  • Akim
    Akim 21 August 2013 07: 39 New
    -18
    Yesterday I watched CCTV. report from Blagoveshchensk, where now unfortunately a flood. So, there all the products are Chinese, or grown by Chinese farmers on Russian soil. Russia - and how will you feed your people yourself if you argue with everyone?
    1. Bigriver
      Bigriver 21 August 2013 08: 33 New
      14
      Quote: Akim
      Yesterday I watched CCTV. report from Blagoveshchensk, where now unfortunately a flood. So, there all products are chinese, or grown by Chinese farmers on Russian soil ...

      The knowledge gained from the TV is cool laughing
      Tell ishsho, che-thread, to me the Far East.
      1. Akim
        Akim 21 August 2013 09: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: BigRiver
        The knowledge gained from the TV is cool

        And how else can I get so far to you? There are only Russian and Chinese sources.
        1. alicante11
          alicante11 21 August 2013 10: 25 New
          11
          Ask eyewitnesses. There are still enough Russians for us in the Far East, and even the Internet can be found at times if the bears and tigers from Taiga do not cut the wires :).
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: BigRiver
        Tell ishsho, che-thread, to me the Far East.

        By the way, he watched the Chinese channel laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          By the way, he watched the Chinese channel

          No, you just have to watch the Russians and pray for power. I can see CNN. But there is generally one chernukha. All channels show interviews with those with whom it is beneficial.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            No, you just have to watch the Russians and pray for power.

            I don’t watch them at all, there is Internet
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 09: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              have internet

              And do you get information from all the neighbors? I do not believe. For comments from Ukraine would then seem harmless pranks to you.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 02 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                For comments from Ukraine would then seem harmless pranks to you.

                Yes, I read komenty Ukrainians, everything is there, as always, Russia is to blame for everything.
          2. Corsair
            Corsair 21 August 2013 10: 00 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            No, you just have to watch the Russians and pray for power. I can see CNN. But there is generally one chernukha. All channels show interviews with those with whom it is beneficial.


            In childhood, along with my father, we listened to “Western Voices” in the evenings (it was interesting that they were talking about us “over the hill”), and there were plenty of “chernukhs” there. Moreover, the truth was artfully mixed with an outright lie to the USSR, the Soviet system.
            Therefore, "turn on the word filter" (as on the VO site laughing ) and separate the truth from fiction.
            In the overwhelming number of cases, the information analyzed in our own “box” is the only true one, while it is natural that the “no-interpretation” works correctly, in the right direction.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 05 New
              +4
              Quote: Corsair
              In the overwhelming number of cases, the information analyzed in our own “box” is the only true one, while it is natural that the “no-interpretation” works correctly, in the right direction.

              That's it. Information must be obtained from several diametrical sources. I do not think that all of you are massively reading Navalny. He is still the GOES, but his opinion should also be known.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 13 New
                +1
                Quote: Akim
                I do not think that all of you are massively reading Navalny. He is still the GOES, but his opinion should also be known.

                The information about him is quite diverse enough, but to read his works, thanks ...
                I had enough of Marx and Lenin.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 10: 22 New
                  -6
                  Quote: ATATA
                  but read his writings, thanks ...
                  I had enough of Marx and Lenin.

                  You know how Putin cited the old phrase as an example: I did not read Pasternak, but I condemn. So it is here. I think it is wrong to base my opinion on the "lured" media.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 42 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    I think it is wrong to base my opinion on the "lured" media.

                    So here you are and give the opinion of lured Ukrainian media.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 10: 45 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      So here you are and give the opinion of lured Ukrainian media.

                      Yeah, also European and American and South American. Everyone is wrong, one “poor” Russia is only right. And then different sources inside it have different sayings.
                      1. afire
                        afire 21 August 2013 11: 02 New
                        10
                        It’s good to go nuts, remain unconvinced.
                        I’m only afraid that, God forbid, if you "make friends" with the EU, the worse your country will be, the more Russia will be to blame.
                        Well damn the guys - you are adults already, you have "independence", by the way, General Nikolai Popel at the beginning of the war described a leaflet that the Germans scattered and, you won’t believe it, it was the same as you have now! Katsapi, mockali, independence, independence and so on. And the point is not at all that the Ukrainians hate us, but that you NOW succumbed to the fact that the Germans AND BENDERIVS propagandized during the war to tear you off, because it’s easier to WORK our nation !!!! You were misled, during the 23 years of independence you were so brainwashed that the Germans could not be reached! Russia does not want to lose Ukraine in every sense!
                        The first is the same people.
                        Second, Ukraine without brains is a threat to Russia in any case, which is unacceptable, since we are neighbors and because of your ideas, you can expose us to threats.
                        Third, they are trying to influence Russia through Ukraine, and your president is contributing to this.
                        Fourth, no matter how you roam, you cannot survive without Russia, and the EU will accelerate this process.
                        Fifth - It is easier to overwhelm a torn nation, though you’re nightmaring us that we are no longer brothers, but you simply don’t understand that you are killing yourself! No matter how you live now, it will be even worse if you do not come to your senses.

                        FEW???
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 14 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        All are wrong, one "poor" Russia is only right

                        Well, then an example, whom has Russia thrown in recent years and whom has it deceived and in what?
                      3. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 11: 30 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        an example of whom Russia has thrown in recent years and whom it has deceived and in what


                        About the neighbor from the CIS we will not. The very first example of "Shell" in the Far East. Correctly or h6t is another question. I think right. But from a legal point of view, she threw it.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 59 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        . The very first example of "Shell" in the Far East. Correctly or h6t is another question. I think right

                        Is that so? Why give Shell as an example in this case, if you think it is right?
                        With regards to the legal, how many times did the shell in that project throw Russia for final financing?
                        And most importantly, as I understand it, besides the shell far-fetched you have no other options. Yes, and the format was wrong.
                        And by the way, why not talk about the CIS, since the conversation is about Ukraine?
                      5. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 12: 19 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And by the way, why not talk about the CIS, since the conversation is about Ukraine?

                        The simplest example, so offhand is An-70.
                        PO.S. I’m not only talking to you. There is always no time to remember. And behind my back, there is no analytical department that monitors everything.
                      6. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 50 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        The simplest example, so offhand is An-70.

                        I thought you write it or not. wassat Well, in short, what kind of child in general.
                        Quote: Akim
                        There is always no time to remember

                        There is nothing to remember, except for such garbage like that and 70
                      7. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 13: 22 New
                        -1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        I thought you write it or not.

                        An-70 was well-known to everyone because of this, I immediately remembered. And so: refusal of transit through Odessa-Brody, refusal to pump process gas into underground gas storages, refusal to repair ships, refusal of engines from aircraft manufacturers, refusal to work with Energoatom, refusal of new microdistricts in Sevastopol ...
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 13: 53 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        And so: refusal of transit through Odessa-Brody

                        Here, too, Russia threw, had no right to refuse?
                        Quote: Akim
                        refusal to pump process gas into underground gas storages,

                        And this is when Ukraine began to steal it and dumped everything on Russia. So there were already analyzes and everyone found guilty of stealing Ukraine-Nehru.
                        Quote: Akim
                        refusal to repair ships, refusal of engines by aircraft manufacturers, refusal to work with Energoatom, refusal of new microdistricts in Sevastopol ...

                        So is it scam or Russia does not have the right to refuse something. I ask who and when they threw? And then all the same can be transferred to Ukraine. In fact, and without attracting
                      9. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 13: 57 New
                        -5
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        And then all the same can be transferred to Ukraine. In fact, and without attracting

                        I ask to the studio ... Failure - this is scam. You are already starting to count on the stalls, and he otmazyvatsya from you
                      10. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 14: 10 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Failure - this is scam.

                        Failure is a refusal, Ukraine, too, refuses a lot of people and what, but it’s not scam. Scam is when you are thrown at grandmothers, so the shell committed scam in Russia, but to hell with it.
                        But about the kidalov, come on in fact. What exactly is good and what will be the advantages of ZTS with the EU for Ukraine?
                      11. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 14: 23 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        What will be the advantages of ZTS with the EU for Ukraine?

                        This is better to read. But the quotas for metal rolling and agricultural products are being removed. Naturally, engineering will not flood there. Also, they will have markets in Russia and Asia.
                      12. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 14: 36 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Akim
                        . But the quotas for metal rolling and agricultural products are being removed.

                        Maybe subsidies?
                        Quote: Akim
                        Also, they will have markets in Russia and Asia.

                        I do not ask about the situation of the markets, how much money does it gain and for which industries. Do they even exist?
                      13. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 14: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Do they even exist?

                        There are benefits from any economic cooperation. Just do not counterbalance. Now the CU is a closed organization like the EU. But no one bothers to cooperate with him in the free trade zone. This is theoretically.
                      14. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 31 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        This is theoretically.

                        If your goods are needed in Russia, then in the EU they didn’t fall to anyone in the FIG — in fact! What profit from ZTS will be?
                      15. Akim
                        Akim 22 August 2013 07: 55 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If your goods are needed in Russia, then in the EU they are in nobody's fig

                        It was written here that exports from Ukraine to Russia, and indeed to the CIS, account for less than 50%. Of course, if you argue in this spirit: Like, take a nap and we won’t buy anything from Ukraine - yes. Only Ukraine is not Georgia, and Russia will not break off economic ties with it. This is not a loss for herself. Do not listen to politicians and balabal-urnalists. They are specially paid money for this.
                  2. Nicholas C.
                    Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 16: 34 New
                    +3
                    Accession to the EU by many in Ukraine seems to be akin to joining the Kingdom of God, although no one is going to offer Ukraine any more “associations”. Let's look at the fate of countries that joined the EU relatively recently. Everywhere, the old EU members imposed restrictions on production in agriculture, industry, energy, etc., for beginners. In return, they offered cheap loans for consumption (through large Western banks), investments in some sectors that the EU leadership deemed worthy for these countries (for example, tourism), injections into infrastructure (which were usually mastered by Western European companies) and unlimited labor migration, so that the remaining Without work, the Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians could find themselves plumbers and laborers in developed countries and transfer part of their earnings to their homeland.

                    GREECE.
                    The most severe blow was inflicted on cotton growing. In the late 1990s, Greece produced more than 1,3 million tons of cotton per year, while now it is allowed to collect half as much - 782 thousand tons.
                    Before entering the EU, Greece had a positive balance of foreign trade in agricultural products, but after receiving the coveted status, the Greeks received quotas imposed so that there was no overproduction of goods - to produce so much meat and not more, so much milk, wine, orange, olive oil, otherwise - a fine. As a result, the country's wine industry was seriously affected.
                    Another industry in Greece that found itself in the victims is shipbuilding. The EU turned out to be more profitable to build new ships not in Greece, but in Germany (who would doubt it!). Many shipyards in Greece have closed, and since joining the EU, Greek shipowners themselves ordered 770 ships abroad!
                    LATVIA.
                    Upon joining the EU, Latvia lost all of its sugar factories.
                    The Lebanese Glass factory, famous in the USSR for art glass, was closed. The no less famous house-building factory, which collected Finnish houses for five rooms, was also closed. The peat factory survived, where 20 of the thousands of jobs were saved, and they now work for German investors, and the environmentally friendly product is sent as bedding to German farms. A paper mill is dismantled in Riga (does not fall within the EU economic standards) and one of the largest engineering enterprises in the Latvian SSR, RigaSelMash ..
                    Latvia's external debt in 1991 was zero, and now it is 7 billion euros (as of March). Latvia's GDP is $ 42,947 billion. In 2009 Latvia's GDP fell by 17,8%
                    LITHUANIA.
                    Ordinary residents almost ceased to keep cows, and the livestock was reduced four times.
                    Lithuania lost the Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant. In 1991, Lithuania did not owe a single cent to a single state, and in 2102, Lithuania's total debt approached 14,5 billion euros, which is 40% of GDP.
                    ESTONIA.
                    The number of cattle since Soviet times decreased by five times. Now in Estonia there is a reorientation of agriculture to the production of biofuels.
                    The machine-building plant (equipment for the oil industry) and its plant do not work Volta in Tallinn, which during the Soviet era produced engines and other equipment for the energy sector.
                    At the request of the EU, electricity generation was reduced several times from 19 billion kilowatt-hours to 7 billion kilowatt-hours - Europe did not want to buy surpluses, but Russia basically did not.
                    Estonia's external debt is 16,56 billion euros (2010). Estonian GDP: $ 19.305 billion
                    In all Baltic countries, the fishing industry has also suffered - the EU sets catch quotas and the so-called solidarity norms for the use of European water resources, which leads to the closure of fish factories and a decrease in the fishing fleet.
                  3. Nicholas C.
                    Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 16: 36 New
                    +2
                    POLAND.
                    The main thing that the Polish economy lost after entering the EU on May 1, 2004 was the coal industry. It was closed 90% of coal enterprises, which employed more than 300 thousand people. 75% of Polish miners lost their jobs.
                    The second, the loss, is the famous Gdansk shipyard, which launched the largest number of ships and fishing vessels in the world in 1960-1970, and is now divided into two private enterprises, which are still idle ..
                    Dozens of smaller shipyards closed, and their workers left for Western Europe.
                    Poland's external debt at the time of entry into the EU amounted to $ 99 billion, at the beginning of 2011 - $ 245,5 billion.
                    HUNGARY
                    One of the symbols of Hungary was Ikarus. In its best times, the company produced up to 14 thousand buses a year. (It is curious that the Lviv Automobile Plant under the USSR also produced the same number - 15.000 buses. Now there are problems with the owner, a Russian. The local Bandera authorities simply threw him).
                    In 2004, the year Hungary joined the EU, mass production of buses was discontinued here. The Hungarians really hoped that after joining the EU they would fill all of Europe with one of their main agricultural products - honey, but it didn’t work out — the purchase prices for honey in Hungary fell from 4,92 to 2,73 euros per 1 kg, as a result beekeepers cannot offset their production costs. Hungary's public debt is about 80% of GDP in 2009.

                    In the EU there is support for farmers who receive enormous subsidies from the EU budget, but only grow what, according to the calculations of the European Commission, the EU needs. Polish and Hungarian farmers also receive EU subsidies, but not on the same scale as Germans and French.

                    What happened:
                    In Poland, the geological and mining conditions of coal seams are simply a fairy tale compared to Donbass, but Polish mines are closed. - Ukraine will not sell coal in the EU.
                    In the EU there is a rocket and space agency, there is an Airbus, which is brutally fighting with a Boeing for a place in the sun. - Technologically sophisticated products - missiles, planes - Ukraine will not sell to the EU.
                    Greece did not help compete with winemakers in France, even milder, compared with the Ukrainian and even Crimean Mediterranean climate. That is .. Ukraine will not supply wine to the EU. For the same reason, Ukrainian, grown in risky farming, in frost and drought, agricultural products will be uncompetitive, more expensive than European ones. Moreover, the old EU well subsidize their farmers, and in Ukraine they are only ruined.
                    Draw your own conclusions. Although Ukraine should take examples not even from the countries mentioned, but from other “EU associates”, from Egypt, for example. This is closer to her.
                  4. Akim
                    Akim 21 August 2013 16: 49 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Nikolay S.
                    Nicholas C.

                    I’m already tired of repeating you the Association and the FTZ does not mean joining the EU. And you as an ambulance: -The doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue.
                    As for Poland. I'm a little bit sweet on theirs. So here. Neither the economy is in the top twenty.
                  5. IGS
                    IGS 21 August 2013 17: 00 New
                    -1
                    Right. Poland is called "European China." But there are far from problems:
                    “1 million people regularly send money earned abroad to their families. According to the National Bank of Poland, in recent years it has been 15-16 million zlotys - $ 5,3 million per year, which is 15-20% less than before the beginning of the global crisis. In the second quarter of 2012, according to this bank, the money was sent mainly from the UK, Ireland and Germany. Approximately the same amount of money is transferred by migrants to the country through unofficial channels. Recently, the depreciation of zloty has contributed to the growth of consumption. when exchanging foreign currencies, they now receive more zlotys. In addition, consumer loans still play an important role in the life of Polish families. Over the past year, Polish banks owed half of their debts to more than 32 billion zlotys - about $ 10 billion. "
                    Draw your own conclusions.
                  6. Akim
                    Akim 21 August 2013 17: 07 New
                    +1
                    Quote: IGS
                    Draw your own conclusions.

                    We have this without the EU. And there is no guarantee that with the vehicle it will not be the same. Personally, I do not want to buy products at Russian prices, but with our salaries.
                  7. IGS
                    IGS 21 August 2013 17: 19 New
                    +3
                    There are truly no guarantees. In any case, the only thing I can wish for, in any situation, is to withstand all this to ordinary Ukrainians. From the heart.
                  8. IGS
                    IGS 21 August 2013 17: 38 New
                    0
                    Interesting, and who zamusnovat? Who did not like the statistics of the Bank of Poland itself? But there seems to be no personal conclusions ..
                  9. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 17: 57 New
                    +2
                    Quote: IGS
                    Interesting, and who zamusnovat? Who did not like the statistics of the Bank of Poland itself?

                    Yes, one and the same all set minuses who under the Russian flags, does not write comments, only minus. "Brother" Ukrainian
                  10. Akim
                    Akim 21 August 2013 18: 01 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Yes, he set the same cons for everyone, he doesn’t write comments, only minuses. “Brother” Ukrainian

                    Chi no Chi. I collected a comment there of 25 minuses, but I answered only three.
                  11. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 29 New
                    0
                    Quote: Akim
                    I collected a comment there of 25 minuses, but I answered only three.

                    Kim, I didn’t write about you, there is another minus, but does not write comments
                  12. Akim
                    Akim 22 August 2013 08: 01 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    there is another minus, but does not write comments

                    There are different circumstances. A person, maybe he just doesn’t want to enter into an argument, or maybe he didn’t like it, but he doesn’t know what to answer with reason.
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 17: 18 New
      +2
      Whatever you might say, Poland is not included in the G20
      ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C1%EE%EB%FC%F8%E0%FF_%E4%E2%E0%E4%F6%E0%F2%EA%E0
      www.g20.org/docs/about/g20_en.html
      It’s not difficult to write the truth. You just have to get used to it.
    3. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 17: 51 New
      -1
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      It’s not difficult to write the truth. You just have to get used to it.

      And here is another "truth" from the same Wikipedia .. And who do you command to believe? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
      Do not be offended, but I got you a minus. I do it rarely. Just the second time on the site.
    4. IGS
      IGS 21 August 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      Please read carefully. ONE MILLION people of the able-bodied population (according to Poland itself, which means more) cannot find their application in their homeland. Can I find out what is contrary to your line? I specifically cited what was written by the Poles themselves, so it’s hard to blame me for propaganda.
    5. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 18: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Akim
      And here is another “truth” from the same Wikipedia.

      Actually, I have a link to the site of the G20 itself (under the Russian presidency). The link to Wikipedia is given as a test for lice for those unable to read otherwise. In your link at face value of GDP Poland is in 24th place. But you don’t read your links either. So write anyhow.
    6. IGS
      IGS 21 August 2013 18: 11 New
      0
      Tell me, do I have at least something about the G20? Or her place?
    7. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 18: 27 New
      -3
      Quote: Nikolay S.
      So write anyhow.

      The Big Twenty is not an indicator. Who will include Iran. And the EU took what a strange place, in real countries.
      I gave you the English version of the list of countries by GDP where Poland is the twentieth.
    8. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 18: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: Akim
      The Big Twenty is not an indicator. Who will include Iran. And the EU took what a strange place, in real countries.
      I gave you the English version of the list of countries by GDP where Poland is the twentieth.

      Do not cheat. By the link you provided at NOMINAL OF GDP 20. Switzerland 21. just Iran 22. Sweden 23. Norway and only 24. Poland Moreover, Switzerland’s GDP is about a third more than Polish. You are again trying to cheat by listing the GDP by an indirectly calculated indicator - purchasing power parity. (In it, India is not 10th, but 3rd)
  • domokl
    domokl 21 August 2013 18: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    The simplest example, so offhand is An-70.

    lol So AN-70 was fully paid by Russia in part. According to the contract. But Ukraine did not fulfill its obligations. That’s why and only because we had to upgrade the obviously losing IL to ANa standards. And we refused enough money already invested in Antonov .
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 August 2013 12: 17 New
    +6
    And how is Shell throwing Ukraine refusing to buy pipes and pump 50% of gas produced in the Ukrainian gas transportation system?
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 21 August 2013 13: 02 New
    +3
    Quote: mhpv
    And how Shell is throwing Ukraine ...


    But should they leave something to Ukraine?
  • alicante11
    alicante11 21 August 2013 11: 54 New
    +1
    Yeah, also European and American and South American. Everyone is wrong, one “poor” Russia is only right. And then different sources inside it have different sayings.


    And you will recall how these "truth-seekers" described and are describing events in Libya and Syria. And immediately it becomes clear whether they can be trusted. Russia, too, is not always right, since they are always and always media outlets (mass disinformation media) everywhere. But in this case, it is better to listen to Russian.
    By the way, for the first time I hear about the media in South America saying something about Russian agricultural.
  • Akim
    Akim 21 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +6
    Quote: alicante11
    And you will recall how these "truth-seekers" described and are describing events in Libya and Syria. And immediately it becomes clear whether they can be trusted.

    I'm still trying to prove to the Frenchman that it was aggression. But he does. that the truth is on their side. And it was not only the Russian press that prompted me to draw conclusions. In order not to think that he was biased.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 21 August 2013 13: 40 New
    0
    Yes, it’s just the Russian press, as far as I know, since I don’t watch zombies and do not read newspapers, I sang in the same tune with Zapadensky at the request of DAM. Which was very embarrassing. But it’s not for nothing that I called SMD = SMD. So you need to look for Old on the Web. And, as you rightly said, from different angles. This is me to the fact that you took Old about what is happening in the Far East from the Western and Ukrainian press. And it would be better if they asked us living here.
  • Bigriver
    Bigriver 21 August 2013 14: 39 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    ... Information must be obtained from several diametrical sources. ..

    No need with diametrical. Do not get into this "mess" :(
    If you feel the need for regular and reliable information, then over time you will select the pool of your QUALITY sources yourself.
  • I am a Russian
    I am a Russian 21 August 2013 12: 58 New
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    that "no-interpretation" works correctly, in the right direction.


    for more than twenty years, they have been “misinterpreted” by all available means that Russia is to blame ... it’s not necessary to count on full adequacy
  • alicante11
    alicante11 21 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +3
    The year 2004 was a case that can already be considered an anecdote. When my wife and I bought vegetables, in front of us a man asked the saleswoman, pointing to two types of cucumbers. Where, they say, cucumbers. She answered without hesitation. Like, these are Chinese, and these are our district to them. Lazo grown by the Chinese. Next was a dumb scene followed by a laugh. True, in some respects, through tears. My grandmother used to have a field behind a poultry farm in the area of ​​Southern Industrial. So, shortly before I got rid of this “corvée” in family gardens, across the road from six hundred townspeople, the Chinese plowed the fields, set greenhouses and began to develop deposits of bird guano from the poultry farm for fertilizer. So these are not television bullshit, but personal observations, unfortunately.
    However, it would not be so bad if it were not for our other lesser brothers - Caucasians. Who seized the entire trade in agricultural products. And do not let farmers and private traders into the city. About 4 years ago, in the EAO in the Volochaevka district, I bought watermelons for 50 kopecks in the fields. kilogram. While in the city they cost 8 rubles per kilogram with our Caucasian friends. At the same time, when he asked why watermelons were not being brought to the city, they say that in an attempt to simply a car was burned along with the products. Therefore, they sell these watermelons to the same Caucasians for the same 50 cents directly in the fields. So the question is in the protection of the manufacturer. The Chinese, if anything, put the knife on the knives. And we can strangle our calmly. So it turns out that we eat Chinese vegetables instead of ours, crushed by fraternal traders.
  • Corneli
    Corneli 21 August 2013 19: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: BigRiver
    The knowledge gained from the TV is cool laughing
    Tell isho, che-thread, me Far East

    As a rule, “knowledge from the TV” does not prevent Russian residents from judging what is happening in Ukraine) And to prove to the majority that I’m living here and what you are saying here is not weakly worthless here) Sincerely hi )
  • svp67
    svp67 21 August 2013 08: 43 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    . Russia - and how will you feed your people yourself if you argue with everyone?
    We’ll decide for ourselves ...
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 August 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    Russia - and how will you feed your people yourself if you argue with everyone?

    Oops! And what, again Ukraine feeds us, what? Interesting ... Provide yourself first. At least fat for a start.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 09: 31 New
      0
      Quote: retired
      Oops! And what, again Ukraine feeds us, what?

      I understood. Many Russians have a flat opinion. We saw a flag on the ip. and let's part. I said:
      Quote: Akim
      if you argue with everyone?
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 16 New
        +6
        Quote: Akim

        if you argue with everyone?

        You live in an inverted world.
        Ukraine is more interested in friendship with Russia, and not vice versa.
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 10: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Ukraine is more interested in friendship with Russia, and not vice versa.

          Both countries want this. Only equal.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 35 New
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            Both countries want this. Only equal.

            The left hand cannot be equal with the whole body.
            A body without a hand is crippled, a hand without a body is simply an amputated limb.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 46 New
              -1
              Quote: ATATA
              The left hand cannot be equal with the whole body.

              This is what you explained the reluctance of the Ukrainian government. I do not want to be called the "little brother."
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 21 August 2013 10: 53 New
                +8
                Quote: Akim
                I do not want to be called the "little brother."
                Do you like the name of the type "2nd grade European" more?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 11: 19 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  "European grade 2" more like it?

                  Imagine. I read English Spanish (a little French) editions, well, Slavic. There is no such belleberd. they call it differently, but not in the same vein.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 21 August 2013 12: 33 New
                    0
                    Yeah, they call it Russian :).
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 21 August 2013 12: 32 New
                +1
                Younger brothers in now. In the USSR, you were just brothers.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 12: 36 New
                  +2
                  Quote: alicante11
                  In the USSR, you were just brothers.

                  If there was a USSR, no doubt. Or in Russia there would be a socialist system - I with two hands only FOR. But your bourgeoisie are in conflict with ours, and the people are suffering.
                  1. alicante11
                    alicante11 21 August 2013 12: 59 New
                    +2
                    Between the brothers there are no "yours" bourgeois and "ours." Either brothers, or not brothers. Ukraine chooses the second. Well, do not complain.
                    1. hiocraib
                      hiocraib 21 August 2013 13: 12 New
                      -4
                      Quote: alicante11
                      Between the brothers there are no "yours" bourgeois and "ours." Either brothers, or not brothers.

                      whether the brothers are either bourgeois. because there were only bourgeois - screaming about brothers - then the result is obvious, isn't it?

                      ps although I’m happy to hear about the exploits of the Russian brothers. and then tired of the exploits of the oligarch ...
                    2. alicante11
                      alicante11 21 August 2013 13: 31 New
                      +4
                      Well, here I am about the same. That there were only bourgeois. But now I have a question, what is the difference to the Ukrainians, what kind of oligarchs over them are Russian bottling or independent? It is necessary to work that for those that on others. But the EU will no longer have to work. Industry, they are in the bud rot in the Baltic states.
                    3. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 13: 44 New
                      +4
                      Quote: alicante11
                      But now I have a question, what is the difference to the Ukrainians, what kind of oligarchs of Russian bottling or independent are above them?

                      Economically - no. Politically, this is a one-goal game.
                    4. alicante11
                      alicante11 21 August 2013 16: 25 New
                      0
                      So the gates are always alone. If Ukraine is weak, then it must join the alliance or become a satellite. There is no other way. And I'm not talking about politics, but about the people. What difference does it make to the people, what flag will the oligarch have?
                    5. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 16: 29 New
                      +3
                      Quote: alicante11
                      If Ukraine is weak, then it must join the alliance or become a satellite.

                      This reminds me of a 2004 advertisement with three varieties of Ukrainians. It didn’t happen.
    2. Corneli
      Corneli 21 August 2013 19: 56 New
      -2
      Quote: ATATA
      The left hand cannot be equal with the whole body.
      A body without a hand is crippled, a hand without a body is simply an amputated limb.

      And how is it to be disabled? We must probably kick a little more "hand" in the hope that she will "change her mind" and realize that she is "loved." In practice, it’s more likely that another body will pick up and with sweet tales will convince the “hand” to go where it will not be beaten, but will be treated “equally”. And enta’s hand will lie in the "good uncle" in the refrigerator in reserve, and the unreasonable body will remain so disabled and stay with this approach.
      Although I want to believe all the same, that both the “arm” and “body” will still begin to think with their head and cheto change for the better
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 22 August 2013 02: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        In practice, it’s more likely that another body will pick up and with sweet tales will convince the “hand” to go where it will not be beaten, but will be treated “equally”.

        Her arm was completely crazy, she forgot about the immune rejection from someone else's body.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 22 August 2013 14: 00 New
          0
          Quote: ATATA
          Her arm was completely crazy, she forgot about the immune rejection from someone else's body.

          I have not forgotten, although no one has yet canceled antibiotics and other miracles of surgery. But in the case of a disabled body (armless), from pain and discomfort to see, the mind got confused and the “body” couldn’t think of anything smarter than kicking “his hand” with his feet. And at the same time he expects that the "hand" from this will be happy and crawl back to the body.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 43 New
    +8
    Quote: Akim

    Both countries want this. Only equal.

    There can be no equality where budgets are different. Ukraine lives at the expense of the IMF, and Russia for its own, what equality or will you pay on par with Russia?
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 21 August 2013 10: 45 New
    +5
    Quote: Akim
    Only equal.
    Will Ukraine get equal rights from association with the EU? IMHO about this there can be no question. But from Moscow, Kiev wants to get the right to unpunished nonsense. Since smart actions and decisions beneficial to both countries, and so will receive approval
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 11: 21 New
      +2
      Quote: Misantrop
      Will Ukraine get equal rights from association with the EU?

      I don’t think so. Only they don’t make us cancer in advance and don’t pull us on the chains.
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 21 August 2013 12: 35 New
        +3
        Yes, you sho? But what about the indicated plans for the destruction of industry, the adoption of EU standards. Why, even the railroad is forced to alter. This is called do not pose? They don’t pull - yes, you’re crawling yourself, you’re also wagging your tail so that they can be put on the chain faster.
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 12: 45 New
          +1
          Quote: alicante11
          Why, even the railroad is forced to alter.

          Be kind. Where is this information from?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 21 August 2013 13: 00 New
            0
            From the document on association with the EU submitted to you, in the sense of Ukraine.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 13: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: alicante11
              in the sense of Ukraine, an association document with the EU.

              Has anyone seen him? I searched for these 500 pages - so far to no avail.
            2. TRAFFIC
              TRAFFIC 21 August 2013 14: 25 New
              0
              Well, there is already in Ukrainian http://comeuroint.rada.gov.ua/komevroint/doccatalog/document?id=56219, let the person there indicate where "they force the railways to be changed," but in general, it's not that, when I I laid out a list of EU countries in which the gauge is different from that generally accepted in the EU and nothing, no one forces them to “alter” gauges. It all came from some article that talked about it, there were a lot of things invented, including the ban on bazaar trading. laughing
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 14: 32 New
              0
              Quote: TRAFIC
              Well, already in Ukrainian

              Traffic, there are all the documents in Ukrainian. Davai in terms of numbers and money specifically, what, how much in money, in tons, Ukraine will win. Without idle talk, I'm tired of just scratching my tongue.
            4. TRAFFIC
              TRAFFIC 21 August 2013 20: 34 New
              0
              Alexander, it’s not about money, it’s more like a saying, about what’s better to give, a fish or a fishing rod.
            5. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 26 New
              +2
              Quote: TRAFIC
              , it’s not about money, it’s more like a saying

              Hahaha laughing In short, it is clear that Ukraine does not need money, and then what is the benefit?
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 21 August 2013 16: 28 New
        0
        Not 500, but 900, the fact of the matter is that it turns out is secret.
      3. Akim
        Akim 21 August 2013 16: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: alicante11
        , the fact of the matter is that it turns out - secretly.

        Yeah, like the Molotov-Ribentrop Pact.
  • Corsair
    Corsair 21 August 2013 15: 00 New
    -1
    Quote: Akim
    I don’t think so. Only they don’t make us cancer in advance and don’t pull us on the chains.


    They don’t need to strain, for them Ukrainian authorities will do everything.
    You will see! You yourself will be disgusted ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Akim
    So, there all the products are Chinese, or grown by Chinese farmers on Russian soil

    You can buy both Chinese and Japanese and ours, by wallet.
    Quote: Akim
    Russia - and how will you feed your people yourself if you argue with everyone?

    Well, Ukraine is not all! Yes, they somehow survived, times were worse. And I draw attention to the fact that the screams started from Ukraine, in Russia, as they didn’t notice the problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine, but you smell fried.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 09: 34 New
      -3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      And I draw attention to the fact that the screams began from the side of Ukraine, in Russia, as they didn’t notice the problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine

      I noticed. It’s just that the media don’t convey it to you. Naturally, Ukraine would now start retaliatory actions; in Russia, citizens would consider that Kiev was the first to attack. This is part of the information war.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 40 New
        +8
        Quote: Akim
        I noticed.

        Noticed A ??? I don’t catch, I communicate with whom, with a guy or a lady?
        Quote: Akim
        Naturally, start Ukraine’s response now, in Russia, citizens would consider that Kiev was the first to attack

        What actions, Ukraine does not have anything right now, it won’t take gas, the fleet too. And there and there the contract, everything, Carcasses of the light, throw a grenade laughing
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          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Russia - has a feminine gender

            Quote: Akim
            I understood.

            And then the genus has changed?
            Quote: Akim

            Ignorance does not make a person smart!

            Laudable self-criticism wink
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 15 New
              -1
              Do not take me away from the economy in LikBez.
              from Ukraine, in Russia, as they did not notice problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine,

              It was a response to comment. If it’s hard for you to build logical fabrications, I will communicate in binary code.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 47 New
                -1
                Quote: Akim
                Do not take me away from the economy in LikBez.

                What educational program, I just want to know who I'm talking to.
                Quote: Akim
                I understood

                Quote: Akim
                I noticed.

                Have you changed sex or what?
                Quote: Akim
                Russia - has a feminine gender.

                So you say it on behalf of Russia, but you thought the Kremlin was to blame for everything on behalf of Ukraine. I haven’t seen a more stupid excuse.
                Quote: Akim

                It was a response to comment.

                Where is the answer then? It seems I can read Russian, even between the lines of the answer I did not see.
                1. I am a Russian
                  I am a Russian 21 August 2013 13: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Have you changed sex or what?

                  ... let slip
                2. Corneli
                  Corneli 21 August 2013 20: 08 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Have you changed sex or what?

                  When you start to see what a person writes, and not just what you want to “see” there, it will become easier to communicate:
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  And I draw attention to the fact that the screams began from Ukraine, in Russia, as they did not notice the problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine

                  Quote: Akim
                  I noticed.(in the sense of Russia) It’s just that the media don’t convey it to you. Naturally, Ukraine would now start retaliatory actions; in Russia, citizens would consider that Kiev was the first to attack.

                  But you didn’t want to understand that the person answered you) You "noticed" the current! And three posts explained to you what exactly the person wrote:

                  Quote: Akim
                  Russia - has a feminine gender. This is for graduates from the exam.

                  And to no purpose:
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Have you changed sex or what?

                  request
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 24 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Corneli
                    But you didn’t want to understand that the person answered you) You "noticed" the current! And three posts explained to you what exactly the person wrote:

                    What a man with a beautiful female name KIM wrote hi
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 22 August 2013 08: 11 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      with a beautiful female name KIM

                      That is why it is sometimes hard to argue with you. You know that you are wrong, but you still stubbornly prove that black is white. Female version of the name KIMKA. I do not add the suffix "A" to your full name.
                      Kim Il Sung was also not like a woman.
                    2. Corneli
                      Corneli 22 August 2013 14: 06 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      What a man with a beautiful female name KIM wrote then he saw hi

                      Akim - male name (e.g.: Akim, Efraim Lazarevich - Soviet and Russian scientist in the field of space ballistics, navigation of spacecraft and planetology) http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%90%D0%BA%D0 % B8% D0% BC
                      But you mean WOMAN - KIM.
                      I understand that you, dear, belong to the category of people who are easier to shoot than admit that they were mistaken in something. They will argue until they stop (
              2. Corsair
                Corsair 21 August 2013 15: 48 New
                -3
                Quote: Akim
                It was a response to comment. If it’s hard for you to build logical fabrications, I will communicate in binary code.


                Do you no longer like more traditional forms of communication?

                Provide information confirmed by facts (from reliable sources satisfying both sides of the discussion) and then you can convey YOUR truth to people
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 15: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Corsair
                  (from reliable sources Satisfying both parties to the discussion)

                  And what are reliable sources for you? Official documents - there are none, because there was supposedly nothing.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 21 August 2013 16: 25 New
                    -2
                    Quote: Akim
                    And what are reliable sources for you? Official documents - there are none, because there was supposedly nothing.

                    Look for points of contact, knock and they will open you.
                    ANYTHING (except stupid and radical-minded opponents) can be convinced by the facts.
                    In your comments this (in this thread) is not yet visible.
                    In addition, no offense, you came to a Russian site to bring your truth to Russian users and they were "a priori" excusable to post unproven. And you, if you "got involved" you want, you don't want to, but you need to "cover" with arguments ...
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 16: 36 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Corsair
                      You came to the Russian site to carry your truth to Russian users

                      Do not believe - do not. I have no particular desire to persuade. Here Romanov shouted that association documents in Ukrainian. If it's so hard to move F ... and translate (not about you). And so in many ways. I especially like in technical and military articles - when they require documentary evidence from me.
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Akim
            Ignorance does not make a person smart!

            Enlighten us miserable Ugrofinordovtsev?
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 37 New
              +4
              Quote: ATATA
              us miserable Ugrofinordovtsev?

              Have I ever said something like that? Why are you trying to reveal anger in me? Open the Internet and see what Ukraine imports from Russia.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 16 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                Open the Internet and see what Ukraine imports from Russia.

                Here, Russia will quickly redirect flows, and Ukraine will become a stake.
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 17 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Naturally, Ukraine would now start retaliatory actions; in Russia, citizens would consider that Kiev was the first to attack. This is part of the information war.

        Give an example of what Ukraine can do to Russia, so that Ukraine itself does not lose twice as much?
        "While the fat dries, the thin one dies." (WITH)
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 10: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Give an example of what Ukraine can do to Russia,

          Similarly, slow down its export to Ukrainian customs. Even transit.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 41 New
            +3
            Quote: Akim
            Similarly, slow down its export to Ukrainian customs. Even transit.

            A distant relative near Odessa makes good money on port operations with transit cargo. He will lose something like a man.
            But the losses of Ukraine as a state will be significantly, simply disproportionately greater than the short-term losses of Russia.
            By the way, Belarusians will not earn badly on this action of Ukraine.
            But for Russia, in general, there will be no noticeable consequences.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 54 New
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              By the way, Belarusians will not earn badly on this action of Ukraine.
              But for Russia, in general, there will be no noticeable consequences.

              Well, of course. A territorially small country, Belarus, will allow all flows through itself. I understand that you want to think that you are independent here, but this is not so. That cargo will be slowed down at Ukrainian customs for 3-04 days, they will stand at Belarus checkpoints for the same amount due to the increased flow. Look at the ferry to Kerch. The Russians stand for days. They cannot return from vacation. Ferries can not cope with the queue.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 19 New
                0
                Quote: Akim
                That cargo will be braked at Ukrainian customs for 3-04 days

                As soon as this happens, no one will be lucky there.
                Quote: Akim
                they will stand at Belarus checkpoints as much because of the increased flow.

                There is no customs, only external wassat
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 11: 31 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  There is no customs, only external

                  And we are talking about the outside nice man.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 01 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Akim
                    And we are talking about the outside nice man.

                    With you, we have both internal and external, but along the border of Belarus only the external and that works in general terms. So by hi
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 12: 21 New
                      0
                      The conversation was about transit cargo. Those. to Europe. Belarus is not able to cope with such a stream.
                    2. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 53 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Akim
                      Belarus is not able to cope with such a stream

                      Yes, it was already, through Finland and the Baltic states they will go. The Baltic countries are poor, it will only be for it.
                    3. Setrac
                      Setrac 21 August 2013 20: 40 New
                      +3
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Yes, it was already, through Finland and the Baltic states they will go. The Baltic countries are poor, it will only be for it.

                      Novorossiysk will rise, there the port will be expanded and a second track of the railway will be built, so the redirection of goods is inevitable.
        2. Fastblast
          Fastblast 21 August 2013 14: 30 New
          0
          Yes?
          And the fact that the wagons grew idle at the border and 1 day for the wagon is 500 green losses You probably have not heard?

          I advise you, especially literate, it is better not to write if you do not know.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 48 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        Similarly, slow down its export to Ukrainian customs. Even transit.

        Hahaha, near Belarus laughing
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 21 August 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    in Russia, as they did not notice problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine

    Quote: Akim
    I noticed. It’s just that the media don’t bring it to you

    I say for sure - no one noticed anything !!!
    For example, the situation with Ukrainian cheese in my village: there was no Ukrainian cheese - there was Ukrainian cheese - there was no Ukrainian cheese.
    The availability and consumption of cheese was not affected either by the appearance or disappearance of Ukrainian cheese. For its manufacturers are enough.
    The situation is the same for sweets. Well, maybe when the previously brought in is eaten up, the absence of Ukrainian books will become noticeable. But this is not a basic commodity and its absence will not affect the availability and consumption of sweets.
    I can’t say anything about other Ukrainian goods, because they do not reach my village, so their absence will also go unnoticed.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 11: 34 New
      0
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      I can’t say anything about other Ukrainian goods, because they do not reach my village, so their absence will also go unnoticed.

      And at my place there are only Russian sockets - but this does not mean that there are few Russian goods.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 August 2013 19: 22 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    And I draw attention to the fact that the screams began from the side of Ukraine, in Russia, as they didn’t notice the problems from the lack of goods from Ukraine
    I noticed. It’s just that the media don’t reach you.

    I specifically asked my wife about Ukrainian goods. I remembered cheese. All. I don’t even remember cheese. Well, I also saw the creations of the Ukrainian auto industry. So, Akim, your ideas about Russia's dependence on Ukrainian products are somewhat different from reality, but it is just the opposite. Of course, there is still cooperation in the field of aircraft engines, rocket technology ... But it will quickly come to naught in case of association with the EU. And it seems to me that I know: who will get worse from this ...
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 19: 40 New
      -1
      Quote: retired
      So Akim, your ideas about Russia's dependence on Ukrainian products are somewhat different from reality,

      I did not talk about addiction. Russia, too, in the form of entrepreneurs, is losing money. Those who are tied to Ukrainian products, and this is not only food, incur losses. And this is hundreds of millions of rubles.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 21 August 2013 20: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: retired
      Well, I also saw the creations of the Ukrainian auto industry.

      Hi hello hi By the way, my first car is the ZAZ968m unkillable vehicle laughing And how he from the place of behi and gelding through tram tracks made just a song good
      1. pensioner
        pensioner 21 August 2013 20: 18 New
        +1
        Hi Ruslan! I'm glad to see you. fellow Well, constipation in another era produced. And how he climbed through the mud! I was just amazed. Almost on a par with UAZ! I got up on planing. Once went hunting in it. 7 people. And once I stole potatoes at night quickly wanted to cram into the trunk. Behind fool I didn’t understand right away: why it wasn’t succeeding ... True, before the operation "Potato" was carried out not a weak preparation for it. Not all fighters were able to participate ...
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 21 August 2013 20: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: retired
          I quickly wanted to cram into the trunk. Behind fool I did not immediately understand: why it does not work out.

          I saw on the Kiev highway how the 300th gelding entered the lobovuha with constipation wassat grandfather drove rubble to the cottage-sprinkle a path crying laughing
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 21 August 2013 20: 38 New
            +1
            I suspect that the owner of the gelding became the lucky owner of about 0.5 cubic meters of rubble ... The hood of the constipation was not securely closed ...
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 21 August 2013 20: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: retired
              .Hood for constipation unreliably closed ...

              Because everyone saw that it was fully opened wassat
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 21 August 2013 22: 42 New
                +1
                We somehow also opened. When overtaking ... Not on time ...
    3. Corneli
      Corneli 21 August 2013 20: 44 New
      -2
      Quote: retired
      I specifically asked my wife about Ukrainian goods. I remembered cheese. All. I don’t even remember cheese. Well, I also saw the creations of the Ukrainian auto industry. So, Akim, your ideas about Russia's dependence on Ukrainian products are somewhat different from reality, but it is just the opposite.

      In 2011, Russia's exports to Ukraine - 27179 cu, import - 17967 cu To the countries of the CU export - 38980 cu, import - 19175 cu Total export - 524727 cu, import - 312567 cu As a percentage: approx 5% of all exports and 5,5% of imports is for Russia For Ukraine: 27.3% of all exports and 32%. Like didn’t confuse anything). I did not find data norms for 2012 (
      So you can see for yourself what and who will hit or can hit
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 21 August 2013 22: 03 New
        -4
        Quote: Corneli
        I did not find data norms for 2012 (
        So you can see for yourself what and who will hit or can hit

        Oh how someone likes me) Minus for the statistics of trade turnover with
        http://www.gks.ru/bgd/regl/b13_01/IssWWW.exe/Stg/d01/2-2-5-1.htm и вики))) Секретные данные опубликовал шоли? )
      2. pensioner
        pensioner 21 August 2013 22: 12 New
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        So you can see for yourself what and who will hit or can hit

        You can hit yourself. On the forehead. You look, you see.
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 21 August 2013 22: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: retired
          You can hit yourself. On the forehead. You look, you see

          Do not understand any "poking" or rudeness? You dear, so communicate with everyone? Or sick and not adequate?
          1. pensioner
            pensioner 21 August 2013 22: 50 New
            -2
            Quote: Corneli
            Or sick and not adequate?

            It is today that I am more adequate than ever! And I do not consider contacting an invisible interlocutor with “YOU” mandatory. What if it’s Hitler. God forbid of course. But the option that a person communicates with me categorically unshakable by various people, I do not exclude. So I am insured in a similar (to "YOU") way. YOU have not convinced me that I can respect you. At least for the time of my hanging on the site. You can call me - as you please.
            1. Corneli
              Corneli 21 August 2013 23: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: retired
              Exactly today I'm more adequate than ever! And I do not consider contacting an invisible interlocutor with “YOU” mandatory. What if it’s Hitler. God forbid of course.

              The issue of "adequacy" is being removed.
              Quote: retired
              But the option that a person communicates with me categorically unshakable by various people, I do not exclude.

              Mutually, moreover, the "option" I already grows into a conviction on your account. Inadequate boors are not shaking hands with decent people in any country in the world.
              Quote: retired
              So I am insured in a similar (to "YOU") way.

              Normal people when talking to strangers appeal to you, this is elementary politeness (exceptions if a person insulted you on the fly), before that, I thought that politeness is welcome on this site. So the excuse seems pathetic (
              Quote: retired
              YOU have not convinced me that I can respect you. At least for the time of my hanging on the site. You can call me - as you please.

              To convince inappropriate boors so that they "respect" me?) I do not seem to be in the zone. So, a pensioner, you will not see either my respect or any "convictions" ... You can just put me in a muddle. And preferably I do not write.
              1. pensioner
                pensioner 21 August 2013 23: 33 New
                0
                Quote: Corneli
                ... You can just put me in trouble. And preferably I do not write.


                What is "mut" I did not understand. But I did not intend to write YOU. And I'm not Onegin and YOU are not Tatyana. I hope ...
            2. general
              general 22 August 2013 16: 22 New
              +1
              Quote: retired
              sarious people, I do not exclude

              that the lawyer, “well,” studied at school?
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 20 New
        0
        Quote: Corneli
        Interest: approx 5% of total exports and 5,5% of imports

        And then yours squealed laughing
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 22 August 2013 14: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          And then yours screeched laughing

          I do not understand the question? Why did Ukrainian entrepreneurs squeal from the alleged losses by Russia of 5,5% of imports from Ukraine? If so, they "squealed" from their 30%.
          I understand that in Russia with a budget of 400 lard, a loss of some 18 billion dollars is garbage, but for Ukraine it is 35% of the budget. So yes, no one will “scream” in Russia from the alleged loss of the 3rd “import” and the 7th “export” partner. That’s the embargo on China, yes ... 16% of China is not a miserable 6,6% (I still partially found statistics for 2012) in Ukraine.
    4. pensioner
      pensioner 22 August 2013 03: 17 New
      -1
      ABOUT! I also remembered! Ukrainian wallpaper. Rare rubbish!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 August 2013 09: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Russia - how will you feed your people yourself,

    Something like Akim:
    The Miratorg Agro-Industrial Holding, founded in 1995, is today one of the leading producers and suppliers of meat in the Russian market.

    The enterprises included in the holding carry out a full production cycle: from the field to the counter. Such an organizational structure gives Miratorg Agribusiness Holding the opportunity to be independent of the situation in various commodity markets, changes in prices for certain types of raw materials, optimize production costs and minimize possible risks. Vertical integration allows Miratorg Agribusiness Holding to control the quality of products and provide maximum efficiency at all stages of production.

    Thanks to the active use of the best world experience and the latest technologies, highly qualified management and staff, the holding shows high production and financial results.

    In terms of efficiency, Miratorg Agribusiness Holding enterprises are not inferior to European ones: the main production indicators are at the level of the world's leading manufacturers and significantly exceed the average Russian ones.

    In 2008, Miratorg Agro-Industrial Holding was included in the list of 295 backbone enterprises of the Russian Federation, approved by the Government Commission on Improving the Sustainability of the Development of the Russian Economy, formed on the basis of the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of December 15 of 2008 of December N 957.

    The company is focused on continuous professional growth of employees. Internships are organized for the management and specialists of the company at leading Russian and foreign enterprises.

    All enterprises of Miratorg Agribusiness Holding comply with international environmental standards. The holding takes care of environmental protection, takes an active part in the social life of those regions where the holding enterprises are represented, and adheres to the principles of ethical business conduct.

    Investment activities

    More than 100 billion rubles of completed investments.

    Activities

    Crop production;
    Compound feed production;
    Livestock;
    Primary meat processing;
    Deep meat processing;
    Low-temperature transport and warehouse logistics;
    Food distribution.

    Number of staff

    More than 15 000 people.

    Activity geography

    15 regions of Russia.

    Customer network

    More than 16 000 customers in various regions of Russia.
  • IGS
    IGS 21 August 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    1. This is definitely a big country. And yes, on the logistics side, goods from China are cheaper.
    2. Exactly 22 years ago, you yelled the same thing. Have you been taught anything for almost a quarter century? You cannot live without Russia, not we without you.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 21 August 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Russia - and how will you feed your people yourself if you argue with everyone?

    Here, Akim, the point is that no one of the highest principles will refuse to sell if you offer a price. Well, I can’t imagine such a situation that Ukraine will proudly turn away from the offers of Russian buyers: “I’m not selling it myself and I’m not selling Moskal.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 13: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: Flood
      Well, I can’t imagine such a situation that Ukraine will proudly turn away from the offers of Russian buyers: “I’m not selling it myself and I’m not selling Moskal.

      Of course not. She still does not turn away. You just need to pinpoint these hot heads: We ourselves.. We also need to work ourselves, and not change Moldovan wine to Chilean sour meat or Ukrainian bird to Polish.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 21 August 2013 14: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        instead of changing Moldovan wine to Chilean sour

        Akim something I’ve seen more and more Crimean wines in stores lately the truth is surely the same sourness because real wine is not worth 300-400rub, even Artyomovsk champagne has appeared.
        Quote: Akim
        Ukrainian bird to polish.

        But this product has not met either Polish or Ukrainian with us "Prioskolye", "Petelinka", "Stavropol broiler", "Mosselprom".
        and which of them are Ukrainian?
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 14: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: mhpv
          because real wine is not worth 300-400 rubles

          95-100 hryvnia per bottle? That's cool. We can buy real Georgian at fifty dollars (50 hryvnias). In general, Tairovsky wines (Odessa) cost 18-20 hryvnias. Crimean also, Koblevsky, etc. at the same price.
          About the bird there is not even the opportunity to make excuses after this.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 14: 41 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            We can buy real Georgian at fifty dollars (50 hryvnias)

            This is real Georgian wine, made by Garik Avanesyan and possibly in the basement of a house next to you lol
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 14: 57 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This is real Georgian wine, made

              No. If you think so, we drink one boarde. I live in the land of wines and cognac (Odessa region, Transnistria, Moldova) and believe me I can distinguish it by taste.
          2. Mhpv
            Mhpv 21 August 2013 15: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            95-100 hryvnia per bottle? That's cool. We can buy real Georgian at fifty dollars (50 hryvnia)

            Yeah Akim, I did not expect such naivety from you.
            You want to say that Ukraine is able to provide real inexpensive wine (according to 200r recourse ) and yourself and Russia, and probably others? Open the eyes of a naive, it will not be wine anymore, or do you want to say that in Kiev Crimean wine costs the same 80grn. laughing Drink the same burda as Chilean sour meat yourself.
            And you can’t justify yourself about the bird because it is not on the Russian shelves, if I doubt it in the border villages.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 15: 29 New
              +2
              Quote: mhpv
              You want to say that Ukraine is able to provide real inexpensive wine (200 rubles each) and itself and Russia


              I don’t know about Russia, but I can do it myself. For example, I’m going to buy it at all for 10 hryvnias (40 rubles) per liter. At the beginning of the season in the villages to buy a couple of bottles (20 liters each). There is no more room in the house. As for self-sufficiency. Yes, not all regions have the same tastes. I came to my friends in Donetsk, and there they drink ... vodka. It is 2 times cheaper than cognac -25 hryvnia (100 rubles) - but also good. They do not drink wine there, but drink vodka with Sarmat beer. I don’t like that. When they are visiting me they are also unusual.
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv 21 August 2013 15: 40 New
                +2
                And with this I completely agree with you.
                Still, you take the Crimean home-made wine, not the production one. I also took good home-made wine from the landlords that year, although I prefer vodka because of the acidity sold in stores, as you say (Khortytsa was preferable, sorry if it goes away) .
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 16: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: mhpv
                  All the same, then you take home-made Crimean wine, not production

                  In early summer, Polish tourists at the Tairov Institute bought gift baskets (6 different wines. The price is 30 hryvnias (120 rubles) per 0,7 bottle). Pretty good wine. And they drove me at all for free. True, half is white.
        2. alex13-61
          alex13-61 22 August 2013 00: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: mhpv
          because real wine is not worth 300-400 rubles

          It’s worth ... it’s ... it’s more expensive, like Golitsin’s "Seventh Heaven" ...
      2. Flooding
        Flooding 21 August 2013 14: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Akim
        instead of changing Moldovan wine to Chilean sour

        Sour meat is not only Chilean, but also Spanish, for example.
        In my memory, and with my participation, our Moldovan winemakers imported low-grade Spanish wine material. Of course, the wine from it was not good (even when blending 1 to 3, the quality suffers significantly), but Moldovan.
  • 12061973
    12061973 21 August 2013 07: 45 New
    -10
    some kind of theater of the absurd. Some countries are forcing others to peace, Russia to join the customs union. Saakashvili is a goat, but Borjomi, the water is good, if that is the case then import will be completely covered, in America, Japan wants the Kuril Islands, and I don’t like Old Man Putin, and .td., is there really no other leverage than to limit the choice of goods for buyers in Russia.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 11 New
      +3
      Quote: 12061973
      .td., is there really no other leverage than to limit the choice of goods for buyers in Russia.

      But somehow we don’t notice a reduction in choice, Russia has a choice, unlike Ukraine wink
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 21 August 2013 10: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: 12061973
        .td., is there really no other leverage than to limit the choice of goods for buyers in Russia.

        But somehow we don’t notice a reduction in choice, Russia has a choice, unlike Ukraine wink

        Bravo, you can’t say better.
      2. 12061973
        12061973 21 August 2013 10: 57 New
        -1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        But somehow we don’t notice a reduction in choice, Russia has a choice, unlike Ukraine wink

        try Ukrainian beer, even the cheapest is better than the Baltic many times. I’m writing about a precedent, today Ukraine, and tomorrow who doesn’t like who Onishchenko will incite.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: 12061973
          try Ukrainian beer, even the cheapest is better than the Baltic many times.

          Yes, to me Ukrainian beer fell a couple with Baltic. I’ll drink a golden barrel, or at the bar on tap.
          Quote: 12061973
          I’m writing about a precedent, today Ukraine, and tomorrow who doesn’t like who Onishchenko will incite.

          I think after Ukraine, there will be no one who wants to throw Russia.
          1. 12061973
            12061973 21 August 2013 16: 00 New
            -2
            and it’s better than a golden barrel, but the bar can also end like there are problems with the Czech Republic and Germany.
  • Prometey
    Prometey 21 August 2013 07: 57 New
    -15
    Everything is much more commonplace. In pursuit of profit, Russian manufacturers began to produce outright bullshit. And consumers, too, are not fools, in principle, they can distinguish more or less high-quality goods from denatured alcohol. So, for example, with chocolate - in Russia there are 2-3 manufacturers left whose candies still remind the taste of chocolate. Roshen at least provides a good price-performance ratio. The same applies to Belarusian and Ukrainian producers of products that outperform Russian competitors in quality. And Russia uses non-economic methods of competition, inventing fairy tales about benzopyrene in Ukrainian sweets (let them take the products of the Chelyabinsk Mirel for research, they will find the entire periodic table in their cakes).
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: Prometey
      Everything is much more commonplace. In pursuit of profit, Russian manufacturers began to produce outright bullshit.

      Oh, and here’s the victim of Ukrainian media propaganda laughing
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 21 August 2013 13: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Oh, and here’s the victim of Ukrainian media propaganda

        I do not have a channel with Ukrainian media. Better explain why our media are silent about the large-scale crisis in the country, and politicians pretend that everything is fine and there is no action? Overproduction along with a large-scale financial crisis is evident.
    2. alex13-61
      alex13-61 21 August 2013 11: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Prometey
      Everything is much more commonplace. In pursuit of profit, Russian manufacturers began to produce outright bullshit.

      The brother, arriving on a visit, brought somehow the products of Russian confectioners ... So it will be more tasty than Roshenovskaya. And this is not only my opinion - not one tasted ... Most likely the question is in price. What is vodka, what is candy - cheaper in Ukraine ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 23 New
        0
        Quote: alex13-61
        . Most likely the issue is the price. What is vodka, what is candy - cheaper in Ukraine ...

        Where do you all live, well, I saw Ukrainian sweets, but vodka belay Yes, ours, at least rejoice.
        1. alex13-61
          alex13-61 21 August 2013 13: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Yes, ours, at least rejoice.

          Our cheaper - and they’re being driven: the norm is 2 bottles ...
    3. V. Tarasyan
      V. Tarasyan 21 August 2013 11: 48 New
      +2
      Is it Roshen’s chocolate? Do not make me laugh. This is something like an old "Palm", only artificial through and through.
  • a52333
    a52333 21 August 2013 07: 58 New
    +1
    hi
    There are no other levers of influence except to limit the choice of goods for buyers in Russia.
    These policy elements are not directed against the people of a particular country, but against that part of the government and the elite who are trying to make a decision unnecessary for BOTH peoples. At the same time, show what will happen if you lose part of the market. Simple and logical.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 08: 06 New
      -15
      Quote: a52333
      These policy elements are not directed against the people of a particular country, but against that part of the government and the elite,

      These are stupid actions of the Kremlin. Just think, a billionaire will go bankrupt by tens of millions. First of all, pensioners will suffer!
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 13 New
        10
        Quote: Akim
        These are stupid actions of the Kremlin

        Quote: Akim
        First of all, pensioners will suffer!

        Chet did not understand, and what side does the Kremlin have to do with your retirees? Your nearby government is stirring up water, and the damned Kremlin is to blame ??? Although yes, the same record for 22 years laughing
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 38 New
          -8
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Chet did not understand what side the Kremlin has to do with your retirees


          Direct. Those enterprises that import list taxes.
          1. Corsair
            Corsair 21 August 2013 10: 06 New
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            Direct. Those enterprises that import list taxes.

            But you are "one foot already wink ... in Europe"
            Quickly reorient your enterprises to marketing products in the Eurozone and all businesses.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 18 New
              +2
              Quote: Corsair
              Quickly reorient your enterprises to marketing products in the Eurozone and all businesses.

              And so it goes. Only not to Europe, but to the Middle East and Asia. But you are a smart person and you understand that it will not be possible to reorient markets quickly.
              1. a52333
                a52333 21 August 2013 10: 43 New
                +6
                You are a smart person and you understand that it will not be possible to reorient markets quickly.
                20 years to reorient markets is not enough? How much do you need?
              2. ATATA
                ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 45 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                And so it goes. Only not to Europe, but to the Middle East and Asia. But you are a smart person and you understand that it will not be possible to reorient markets quickly.

                Have armored personnel carriers in Iraq unloaded?
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 51 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                And so it goes. Only not to Europe, but to the Middle East and Asia. But you are a smart person and you understand that it will not be possible to reorient markets quickly.

                Aha, sorry, and how much you already do what and remembered 22 years laughing Well we'll wait wink
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 12 New
            +7
            Quote: Akim
            . Those enterprises that import list taxes.

            And then the Kremlin is to blame ??? Your choice, you speak there in the EU and everything will be exactly the same, you will get a lot of things there at all. The Kremlin is not responsible for the actions of your elite. You yourself have chosen and raked. And remember that not only Ukraine is an independent country, but also Russia . Russia also has its own interests, hence the dance.
            P.S As for the independence of Ukraine, I strongly doubt it.
          3. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 23 New
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Chet did not understand what side the Kremlin has to do with your retirees


            Direct. Those enterprises that import list taxes.

            Quote from Putin at the celebration of 1025 the baptism of Rus in Kiev.
            All that happens after this is your choice gentlemen Ukrainian oligarchs and politicians.
            We no longer have any relation to this.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 39 New
              -3
              Quote: ATATA
              We no longer have any relation to this.

              Give a person a laxative, so that he .. also not a direct Skoda.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 25 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                Give a person a laxative, so that he .. also not a direct Skoda.

                You yourself drink it with success, and you nod to Russia.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 12: 03 New
                  -3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You yourself drink it with success, and you nod to Russia.

                  When you yourself, then there’s nothing to kick in the mirror ... In this case, they slipped the pill.
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 21 August 2013 16: 46 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    When you yourself, then there’s nothing to kick in the mirror ... In this case, they slipped the pill.
                    How would you like Russia to kiss your gums for association with the EU?
                    Be realistic!
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 17: 00 New
                      +2
                      Quote: ATATA
                      for association with the EU, Russia kissed the gums?

                      I understand that you are for the vehicle. If he didn’t become with him, as in the FTZ CIS, which is only on paper. There is a free trade zone with Russia - only this gives little.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 52 New
              +2
              Quote: ATATA
              All that happens after this is your choice gentlemen Ukrainian oligarchs and politicians.
              We no longer have any relation to this.

              And the Kremlin is also to blame wassat
        2. ATATA
          ATATA 21 August 2013 09: 51 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Although yes, the same record for 22 years

          That's the whole point of government VUKRAINEN.
          We cannot do anything, but the Kremlin is to blame.
          Well, here in the photograph, the oldest VUKRAINCY.
      2. Andrey57
        Andrey57 21 August 2013 09: 16 New
        +5
        These are not “stupid actions of the Kremlin,” this is a demonstration of what will happen in real life after Ukraine signs the EU association document, if Ukraine believes that they will create a duty-free pipe from the EU to Russia, then this is a big mistake. And the fact that the economic interests of the CU countries will be protected can not even be doubted.
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 36 New
          -7
          Quote: Andrey57
          if Ukraine believes that they will create a duty-free pipe from the EU to Russia

          These "tales" tell you specifically in order to justify their actions.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 15 New
            +9
            Quote: Akim

            These "tales" tell you specifically in order to justify their actions.

            The Kremlin is again to blame for everything, when will you look at yourself?
            Ukraine is a fully dependent country!
            1.From the actions of the EU.
            2. From the actions of Russia.
            3. From IMF credits.
            4. Congratulations on independence wassat
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 10: 30 New
              -5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              1.From the actions of the EU.
              2. From the actions of Russia.
              3. From IMF credits.

              Read the alphabet for beginners in economics. For three years Ukraine has not received loans from the IMF. Generally from no one. Only from the European Development Bank and then individual enterprises.
              1. Nicholas C.
                Nicholas C. 21 August 2013 10: 50 New
                +5
                Quote: Akim
                For three years Ukraine has not received loans from the IMF. Generally from no one. Only from the European Development Bank and then individual enterprises.

                "Evgeny Bakulin, head of Naftogaz Ukrainy, said the company is in talks with Gazprombank on the possibility of extending the loan repayment period by 5 years. This loan of $ 2 billion was received in July 2012 for settlements with Gazprom for gas supplies.
                Читайте дальше: http://www.pronedra.ru/gas/2013/07/17/naftogaz-gazprombank/#ixzz2caFt9izk"


                You too often write lies. Why?
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 11: 13 New
                  0
                  Quote: Nikolay S.
                  You too often write lies. Why?

                  Okay, I missed it. My fault. And WRONG is what you don’t always want to hear. Generally a weird loan. Take money from Russia to pay off with Russia itself. This is how the Chinese want to build a piece of iron with their money from Boryspil to Kiev by the hands of Chinese workers and Chinese tools.
                  1. Corsair
                    Corsair 21 August 2013 11: 35 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Akim
                    Generally a weird loan. Take money from Russia to pay off with Russia itself.


                    And all from the fact that Ukraine is not free in its decisions, if China were your neighbor, you would still bring the instrument to the Chinese.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 12: 05 New
                      -7
                      Quote: Corsair
                      And all from the fact that Ukraine is not free in its decisions,

                      Well, of course. We are all just driven, and Russia is super. Do not carry nonsense. Both countries are sitting in a swamp. As soon as you stuck your head out.
                      1. Corsair
                        Corsair 21 August 2013 13: 00 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Both countries are sitting in a swamp. As soon as you stuck your head out.

                        And she breathes, with full breasts.
                        And Ukraine needs artificial ventilation of the lungs, as premature fetus.
                        And it is not clear whether the "infant" will survive without the "umbilical cord" connecting the two peoples.
                        "Injections of" Western "doctors" (EU, WTO, EBRD, IMF, NATO) can only prolong the agony ...

                        And there you need?
                      2. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 13: 25 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And she breathes, with full breasts.
                        And Ukraine needs artificial ventilation of the lungs

                        Those. Do you agree that we are sitting in the same place? Ukraine is breathing through a tube, but still breathing.
                      3. Corsair
                        Corsair 21 August 2013 14: 03 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim
                        Those. Do you agree that we are sitting in the same place? Ukraine is breathing through a tube, but still breathing.


                        They sat! But in the last decade Russia has sharply gone “ahead of the curve” (economically), Ukraine has remained “with a pipe”, despite all the prerequisites for development that it still has.
                        "Stalling" in Europe for Ukraine is an inevitable collapse in both political and economic independence.
                        Priorities for Ukraine’s admission to the European Union are not for the West (I hope you understand this?) The nature of sponsorship and philanthropy ...
                      4. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 14: 11 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Corsair
                        But in the last decade, Russia has sharply gone “ahead of the curve” (economically)

                        Oh, I don’t believe something. In Odessa there are many guests from Russia. There was someone to talk to. Not counting their trips to the Rostov, Kursk region and the Krasnodar Territory.
                        Quote: Corsair
                        Priorities for Ukraine’s admission to the European Union are not (I hope you understand this?) The nature of sponsorship and philanthropy ...

                        We still need to live up to adoption (EU membership). The free trade zone does not determine the timing.
                      5. Corsair
                        Corsair 21 August 2013 16: 04 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Akim
                        Oh, something I don’t believe.

                        And you don’t take “the word”, but “browse” the Internet, foreign, Ukrainian, Russian economic publications ...
                        Separate all the "garbage" and get a complete "picture". AND THEN you can understand whether there was a “gap” or not, and if you go further, you will understand why Ukraine has “stalled” and what prospects it would have, moving together with the Russian Federation ...
                      6. Akim
                        Akim 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
                        -3
                        Quote: Corsair
                        And you don’t take “the word”, but “browse” the Internet, foreign, Ukrainian, Russian economic publications ...

                        The Internet is a valuable thing (recently, mankind has invented two necessary things: a mobile phone and No), but I'm used to talking to people (at least a couple of months ago). And after a week of rest and a liter of cognac begin to cry. Well, the Russian soul - why not cry. And then you need to summarize.
        2. alicante11
          alicante11 21 August 2013 12: 41 New
          0
          Generally a weird loan. Take money from Russia to pay off with Russia itself. This is how the Chinese want to build a piece of iron with their money from Boryspil to Kiev by the hands of Chinese workers and Chinese tools.


          Learned from amers. Give money that will immediately return back, but the client still has to. Sorry, we are not brothers now - capitalism.
    2. ATATA
      ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 50 New
      +6
      Quote: Akim
      Read the alphabet for beginners in economics. Ukraine is already three years old did not receive IMF loans. Generally from no one. Only from the European Development Bank and then individual enterprises.

      You correctly noticed Did not get, because they don’t give, but how I would like to receive!
      “We are talking about a new program providing for a loan of about $ 15 billion. Although discussions are ongoing on this issue. In autumn, we wait for the arrival of a mission that will solve everything. Now we are finalizing issues that are important for the IMF, and I believe that in the autumn we should sign long awaited agreement". In turn, ex-Minister of Economics Bogdan Danilishin believes: “At the moment, there are no extraordinary reasons for an absolute confrontation, Ukraine can count on resuming full cooperation with the IMF by the end of 2013. Money will be available already following the results of the November visit of the IMF mission. ”

      Here they are, rivers of milk and jelly banks!
      This is a sweet word for free! ...
      1. Akim
        Akim 21 August 2013 11: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: ATATA
        You correctly noticed NOT RECEIVED, because they do not give, but how I would like to receive!

        Did I say that without him is better. I would like to receive it, but there is a question - the price of gas for the population should rise in price. The government does not agree with this.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Ukraine has not received loans from the IMF for three years

      No, takes nothing wink On January 24, the Ukrainian delegation headed by the new Minister of Finance Valery Khoroshkovsky went to Washington to negotiate with the leadership of the International Monetary Fund. The head of the Ukrainian government Mykola Azarov said the following: “Cooperation with the IMF is the cheapest money on the market. We still have to repay the loan that our predecessors took in 2008-2009 ...". According to Azarov, now the discussion with the IMF continues: "Finally, a sound reasoning has begun to wake up among the IMF. The Ukrainian government has prepared a package of proposals for the IMF that will show the balance of our approach." In 2011, Ukraine did not receive a single tranche of the fund’s loan.
      ButUkraine was sent ON ***** in plain text hi

      July 01, 2013 - According to the Minister of Finance Yuriy Kolobov, Ukraine may receive the next tranche of the IMF loan by the end of 2013.
      But then you caved in under the EU and Washington had mercy lol

      Feb 13 2012 - The International Monetary Fund may not give Ukraine a loan if it does not adhere to democratic principles,.
      Release Tymokh, sign it with the EU, and then they will give a denyuzhku wink
    4. Corsair
      Corsair 21 August 2013 11: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      For three years Ukraine has not received loans from the IMF. Generally from no one.

      I would like to but do not give, or doubt the solvency of Ukraine, or in some cases demanding from it impracticable, enslaving conditions.
  • makst83
    makst83 21 August 2013 08: 01 New
    +8
    Official Kiev preferred this “European integration” to a close military and economic alliance with Russia. And the price of gas, and the ban on sweets are connected only with this. Russia will only allow wealthy friendly Ukraine, but not the bridgehead of Euro-Atlanticists. When making political decisions, you need to calculate the risks. I recall that Tigipko dismissed Glazyev’s words that the border with Russia would close for Ukraine along with the opening of the FTA with the EU. So the door was closed. The screech and howl rose immediately from all sides. Nothing - nothing. Scratch turnips, gentlemen, euro-integrators. Of course, I feel sorry for people and not all.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 08: 09 New
      -16
      Quote: makst83
      Russia will allow only friendly Ukraine to grow rich,

      Do not be offended, but Belarus didn’t get the kissel shores, Kazakhstan too. Now the respondents will pull up from there - they will confirm.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2013 08: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Akim
        Do not be offended, but Belarus didn’t get the kissel shores, Kazakhstan too. Now the respondents will pull up from there - they will confirm.
        Do not be offended by you either, but I know which side Ukraine chooses - the CU or the EU, in a year you will be moaning loudly about the wrong choice and missed opportunities. It’s high time to understand that, in any development of events, Ukraine will have to give up part of its economic independence ... But in one case (CU) this will be done according to a scheme already developed over the centuries and with developed ties, and in the other (EU) everything needs to be worked out anew and how it will turn out is not clear.
        And the last, at the expense of "kissel coast". This is the belief of Ukrainians that tomorrow "we’ll enter somewhere ... and the day after tomorrow we will live like misters ..." I was always puzzled. Where did you get this from? The "muslin shores" by the rivers do not appear; they themselves must be "rebuilt", but for this we must work and work again ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 16 New
          -10
          Quote: svp67
          Where did you get this from? The "muslin shores" near the rivers do not appear; they themselves must be "rebuilt", but for this we must work and work again ...

          And where did the Belarusians come from? What does Ukraine have to do with it. The promise to my great-grandfather to live under socialism came true only for my parents, and they represented a small percentage of society.
          Economically, I - was for the TS, but the Kremlin included the political component. And that made me look away. So many.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 33 New
            +9
            Quote: Akim
            I was for the TS, but the Kremlin included the political component.

            But the EU does not require anything politically from you? There are only one requirements, and by the way, do not forget to free Timokha, not a good thief in prison wink
            The independence of Ukraine is a myth! Ukraine is a completely dependent state, but you do not understand this hi
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 09: 54 New
              -6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              m, there are only one requirements, and by the way, do not forget to free Timokha,

              As a layman, I’m on the side. Although I am also dissatisfied with this.
          2. svp67
            svp67 21 August 2013 09: 47 New
            +4
            Quote: Akim
            Economically, I - was for the TS, but the Kremlin included the political component. And that made me look away. So many.
            You won’t be forcibly sweet ... Now they’ve shown what will happen when Ukraine joins the EU - that is, it will lose “favorable” access to the markets of the CU. I think that those who "need" will now calculate the "debit with credit" and work will go on ... The current "industrialists" are quite influential people in any government. Although alas, there are also enough "politicians" with a "foolish head" ...
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 09: 59 New
              -11
              Quote: svp67
              Now they have shown what will happen when Ukraine moves to the EU

              Express your thoughts correctly. I understand that information is now being presented to Russia. Only a free trade area with the EU does not include its direct entry. I'm talking about politics and would not say.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 18 New
                +6
                Quote: Akim
                I'm talking about politics and would not say.

                It's about the economy, goods from the EU will pour in to you, practically without duties, and we do not need it. Your commerce will be happy, probably wink
              2. alicante11
                alicante11 21 August 2013 10: 33 New
                +7
                In-in, and do not join the EU and the TC will lose. Very cleverly done. BRAVO, "broad-shouldered Ukrainians" :(.
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 10: 40 New
                  -1
                  Quote: alicante11
                  . Very cleverly done.

                  I don’t even want to answer. This is not chess, where everything is white and black.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 28 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Akim
                    This is not chess, where everything is white and black.

                    Yes, everything is easier here, either to get involved in the EU or go to the CU, there is a difference though wink
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 12: 07 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      there is a difference true

                      Do not play the words "spy scout."
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 56 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Akim

                        Do not play the words "spy scout."

                        So you, that not koment is a masterpiece, who would say wink
                  2. alicante11
                    alicante11 21 August 2013 11: 50 New
                    0
                    They answered the same, so it’s not reluctant, but nothing.
                    1. Corneli
                      Corneli 21 August 2013 21: 04 New
                      -2
                      Quote: alicante11
                      They answered, it means not wanting, but nothing

                      Maybe a person just realized that the argument is meaningless? All the same, the debaters do not hear him, each with his own opinion remains.
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 21 August 2013 09: 24 New
          +6
          As it turns out with the EU, it’s already clear now that Ukraine is even obliged to alter the railway gauge to the European width, I don’t say that the orders of Brussels will be binding in Ukraine, and without any discussion, in this case, there will only be “independence” zilch! laughing
      2. Wild_grey_wolf
        Wild_grey_wolf 21 August 2013 09: 16 New
        +7
        Akim - everything is normal in Kazakhstan
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 21 August 2013 09: 45 New
          +5
          Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
          Akim - everything is normal in Kazakhstan

          Recently I watched on TV about Nazarbayev and how he transferred the capital to Astana, and how he can keep the leadership in his hands, Yanukovych would not have to learn from him in running an independent country and not clap his lips like a fish.
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 19 New
        +8
        Quote: Akim

        Do not be offended, but Belarus didn’t get the kissel shores, Kazakhstan too.

        Listen Kim, how old are you? I don’t understand, do you really believe that when you join the EU, prosperity will come in a month, this is nonsense !!! In Belarus and Kazakhstan, an article was laid out with all the pros and cons, so there were more pluses and as far as I remember, they were in that article. This is not about Belarus, which buys gas at domestic prices and not about commerce that drive their goods in Russia no limits. It is about your country, whose economy immediately began to feel the restrictions of Russia. And if it is closed at all and at the same time open to the EU, three months and you have an ambition! Sit and consider not biased without politics hi
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 09: 42 New
          -5
          I did not campaign for the ST zone with the EU, but I didn’t poison the neighbors with economic sanctions
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            I did not campaign for the ST zone with the EU, but I didn’t poison the neighbors with economic sanctions

            cool Lukoshenko burns, on the border of Russia and Belarus there are no customs posts wassat What kind of duties does it scratch, if everything is clear on additional oil deliveries. A video on the average person, it’s not clear what they’re talking about, the main thing is a few torn words and that’s all, what a bad Russia laughing
            July 1, 2011 began a new stage in the formation of the Common Economic Space of Russia, Belarus and Kazakhstan. All customs officers left the Russian-Kazakh and Russian-Belarusian sections of the border. The head of the Federal Customs Service of Russia Andrei Belyaninov told the newspaper what is changing and what advantages citizens of the three countries receive.
            http://www.rg.ru/2011/07/07/tamojnya.html
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 29 New
            +1
            [quote = Akim] I did not campaign for the ST zone with the EU, but I didn’t poison the neighbors with economic sanctions
            Lukashenko’s words are taken out of context, but even in this docked video link it’s clear that he’s behind the speedy deepening of integration.
            Quote from the video.
            "This process is being delayed (meaning deepening integration), we were actually deceived .. "
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 14: 04 New
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              Lukashenko’s words are taken out of context, but even in this docked video link it’s clear that he’s behind the speedy deepening of integration.

              Good. Is there a complete video to believe?
          3. ksan
            ksan 21 August 2013 11: 19 New
            +2
            Akim UA Today, 09:42 ↑ New

            I did not campaign for the ST zone with the EU, but I didn’t poison the neighbors with economic sanctions
            And what do you think Russia should do. I think this is just the "first call", a warning (reminder) that after the "third call" it will begin. And what will begin is the choice (no doubt) for Ukraine. By the way, Lukashenko’s phrase is taken out of context). The essence of the whole speech came down to even closer cooperation within the framework of the CU.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 21 August 2013 12: 05 New
              0
              Quote: ksan
              . The essence of the whole speech was reduced to even closer cooperation within the framework of the CU.

              Exactly, Lukashenko is pushing Russia fellow (!!!) to closer cooperation and promotion within the framework of the CU, because I am sure of the mutually beneficial nature of such cooperation and its prospects!
      4. ATATA
        ATATA 21 August 2013 09: 59 New
        +5
        Quote: Akim
        Do not be offended, but Belarus didn’t get the kissel shores, Kazakhstan too. Now the respondents will pull up from there - they will confirm.

        Do you all dream of rivers of milk and jelly banks?
        But just an open market for vehicles for the sale of Ukrainian goods, do not you like?
        It seems that the 90s ended 13 years ago. When will you grow up ?!
        Now milk rivers flow in Bulgaria, now they have fun.
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 10: 09 New
          -3
          Quote: ATATA
          But just an open market for vehicles for the sale of Ukrainian goods, do not you like?

          And that in Russia only goods from participating countries go?
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 53 New
            +5
            Quote: Akim
            And that in Russia only goods from participating countries go?

            No, but the participating countries have incentives, including for hydrocarbons.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 05 New
            +7
            Quote: Akim
            And that in Russia only goods from participating countries go?

            There are no customs and duties, for the rest there.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 11: 39 New
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              There are no customs and duties, for the rest there

              You did not understand. Those. Russia trades with Europe without demanding anything from it, besides taxes.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 11 New
                +3
                Quote: Akim
                You did not understand. Those. Russia trades with Europe without demanding anything from it, besides taxes.

                You didn’t understand this, after signing, you will pay taxes like the EU and nothing but taxes. The only thing is that Russia will not let cheap duty-free goods from the EU that rush to Ukraine. Well, of course, there will be duties on your goods, as for other EU countries. That's the whole market. The results of that, Ukrainian goods will not be competitive due to their high cost, look for markets in the EU, and there ***** well, full belay
                1. Akim
                  Akim 21 August 2013 12: 23 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  after signing, you will pay taxes like the EU

                  Now what? Same. And quotas as well.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 12: 58 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Akim
                    Same. And quotas as well.

                    Far from the same thing. Your product will simply get a stake and that’s all, just goods from the EU are better and will take them, not yours.
                    1. Akim
                      Akim 21 August 2013 13: 28 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      just goods from the EU are better and will take them, not yours.

                      It is understandable. Just who has money for Boomer, he will take it anyway. A cat can only buy ZAZ if he does not want a Russian car.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 22 August 2013 06: 14 New
                        0
                        Quote: Akim
                        Just who has money for boomer

                        No, not boomer, sweets and the like wink
      5. Zymran
        Zymran 21 August 2013 10: 48 New
        +9
        From Kazakhstan. I confirm. However, I do not presume to speculate on what Ukraine will receive or not get from the CU.
        1. Andrey KZ
          Andrey KZ 21 August 2013 12: 10 New
          +4
          I, too, will not take up arguments for the pros and cons for Ukraine, I’ll just give Kazakhstan as an example. I have already laid it out here, I apologize for the repost.
          Compared to the 2009 year, export of processed goods to the countries of the Customs Union increased almost 2,5 times and amounted to 4 billion US dollars. The dynamics of supplies has been growing steadily. Growth for 2012 year - 17%.

          At the same time, in 2012, the total export of Kazakhstan to the CU countries decreased by 3,7% and amounted to 6,8 billion US dollars. The decrease was due to a decrease in the supply of raw materials - iron ores and concentrates.

          One of the positive aspects of the 2012 of the year is a turning point in the framework of the CU, when in terms of specific gravity the export of processed goods (59%) exceeded the indicators of raw materials export (41%).

          in billions of US dollars 2009 2010 2011 2012 Growth for 2012 year

          Total export to TS 3,6 5,6 7,1 6,8 -3,7%

          Processed 1,6 2,7 3,4 4,0 16,9%

          Raw 2,0 2,9 3,7 2,8 -23,2%

          For the following products, the main market is TS (comparison with 2009):

          • 99% of bearings are sent to the vehicle, with an increase in volumes by 3 times (from 37 to 112 million US dollars);

          • 77% of batteries, with an increase of 2,5 times (from 12 to 30,8 million US dollars);

          • 66% of finished or canned meat products that began to be exported in 2011 and today have reached 3,6 million US dollars;

          • 62% of sugar confectionery, with an increase of almost 7 times (from 2,3 to 15,6 million US dollars);

          • 59% carbides, with an increase of 2 times (from 5,5 to 11 million US dollars);

          • 55% phosphinates, with an increase of 48% (from 29 to 42 million US dollars).

          Source: ZAKON.KZ Information Service
          1. Zymran
            Zymran 21 August 2013 13: 16 New
            +2
            And what is the use of the fact that someone there sold bearings on 112 lyamov? request
            1. Andrey KZ
              Andrey KZ 21 August 2013 14: 02 New
              +4
              Well, Zymran, this bearings are made in Kazakhstan, these are jobs, salaries. The RAKHAT confectionery factory has increased production volumes by 10 !!! times, is there any sense? No watermelon will be in demand this year, all Russian businessmen are buying directly from the field, to us, the city, of course prices are bad even during the season, but the peasants are in positive territory. Next year they will plant more. This year they did not expect such demand.
              Despite the record crop, the cost of watermelons and melons is only growing. In places of spontaneous melon selling, buyers appear infrequently. The main summer dessert was not affordable for southerners. Now watermelons and melons are very high prices, customers complain.

              Ergali Nurmakhanov, buyer: "Last year, prices were not like that. But there is no way out, we buy anyway."

              The sellers themselves recognize the high cost of their goods. But, according to traders, there are serious reasons for this.

              Elmira Kultaeva, seller: "Every day we buy watermelons at the wholesale market on Zhibek Zholy Avenue. Melons are at 60 tenge. Watermelons are at 35 tenge. We only add at 5 tenge. After all, we are also dealers who say: if you want, take it, if you don't want to - don’t take it, there will be others. But we still have expenses for a taxi. "

              In the 2012-m farmers of the south received a record crop of melons. This year, farmers expect no less generous gifts from nature. However, despite this, regulating the prices for melons appeared to be beyond the reach of even the staff of the agricultural department. According to experts, the demand is to blame. It was he who generated such prices in the market. Moreover, the management believes that the higher the price, the better for the farmers.

              Bolatbek Tastanov, head of the city department of architecture and construction: “Everything depends on demand. If it increases, then prices will rise. If melons are expensive, then the labor of dehkans is justified.”

              Thus, Shymkent residents should not wait for a drop in prices for watermelons and melons. Only if the demand for melons decreases, then watermelons and melons will become more affordable.
              A number of measures are being taken in the region to increase sown area. So, in the 2013 year in the SKO, 95 ha of greenhouses were already built, and their total area was 665 ha. The drip irrigation method was introduced on 4 thousand ha, and the total area exceeded 24 thousand ha. This contribution of dehkans employed in greenhouses has contributed a lot to high yields in the south of the country.

              In addition, 6 reservoirs, 599 km of canals, 122 waste facilities and 72 vertical drainage wells are being reconstructed to increase sowing in the South Kazakhstan region. This year, sowing in the South Kazakhstan region has already increased by 30 thousand ha and amounted to 772 thousand ha. Farmers expect that the harvest of fruits and melons this year will amount to 2 million tons, which is 250 thousand tons more than the forecasted crop.

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              1. Akim
                Akim 21 August 2013 14: 17 New
                +3
                Quote: Andrew KZ
                . Next year they will plant more. This year they did not expect that such demand would be.

                By the way about watermelons. In the Kherson region, Ukrainian entrepreneurs pay 30-40 kopecks per kilogram, the Poles are driven to buy 80 kopecks -1 hryvnia. A big harvest is a plus for me (the consumer). The peasant is not very.
                1. Zymran
                  Zymran 26 August 2013 16: 41 New
                  +2
                  And my five cents about watermelons. In Astana, there are few of them now, and those that are go at 60 tenge per kilogram. When asked why it is so expensive, and even not enough, sellers say that everything goes to Russia.
              2. Zymran
                Zymran 21 August 2013 14: 19 New
                0
                OK. What percentage of the population of Kazakhstan works at the bearing plant and the Rakhat factory? =)) I think not big. But with the rise in prices for goods and services, absolutely all Kazakhstanis faced.
                The main condition for any undertaking: not to do worse than before. But just this principle in the TS is violated.
                1. Andrey KZ
                  Andrey KZ 21 August 2013 14: 56 New
                  +7
                  Quote: Zymran
                  But with the rise in prices for goods and services, absolutely all Kazakhstanis faced.
                  I agree, salaries do not keep pace with prices. But you understand that the market is 17mln. People, it is very small for production growth. If you do not increase the sales market, how to increase production? If our car assembly plants BIPEK-AUTO didn’t increase duties on importing ASIA-AUTO would have closed for a long time, and so their lineup for 2 months in advance. I am still optimistic about the future of the vehicle, we are only at the beginning of the way.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    Marek Rozny 23 August 2013 10: 43 New
                    +2
                    Andrew, my respect. Absolutely sober balanced look. I will add that in addition to Beepac and Asia-Auto, a lot of car factories are already appearing in KZ. And the pace of assembly (and at the same time the percentage of localization) is growing at a good pace.
                    And “Allure-Auto” in general promises by 2020 to take a big share (by our standards) in the Russian market for its cars.
                    Kostanays are also actively developing the automotive industry. Before our eyes, in Kazakhstan, a branch of industry has been created and is growing stronger that we have never had.
                    In the troops (that MO, that the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that the Ministry of Emergencies) go almost only Kazakhstani cars, both cars, trucks, and special vehicles.
                    In addition, due to more favorable conditions for doing business in Kazakhstan than in Russia, there is a constant process of re-registration of Russian companies in KZ, this is beneficial for us - here there are jobs, taxes are paid here.
                    Etc. etc.
  • Buffallobill
    Buffallobill 21 August 2013 08: 07 New
    +7
    Roshen - normal quality?
    Ahaha, their candy soaps with palm fat, fuu
    Russian sweets, for example Krupskaya, do not compare
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 21 August 2013 08: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: BuffalloBill
      Ahaha, their candy soaps with palm fat, fuu

      Where is he not at all now?
    2. svp67
      svp67 21 August 2013 08: 53 New
      0
      Quote: BuffalloBill
      Roshen - normal quality?
      in stock "?" I agree. I know that relatives in Ukraine are trying not to buy the products of this factory, since there are a lot of ersatz products in it ...
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 21 August 2013 09: 05 New
        +3
        And somehow I wanted to take profiteroles for tea. I read the composition and put it back - nothing natural. It’s better to cook pancakes.
  • Grbear
    Grbear 21 August 2013 08: 13 New
    +6
    Russia is silent about customs, but the word was said in Kiev, and not heard! Complain to the WTO court - please. Onishchenko and Germany "put on the right." It’s time to understand that in politics we have “all the breakers” left. So, a little is still in the Duma.
    At one ukroforum I read the statement of Wasserman's statement on another occasion, but interesting in meaning. "If a calf fits two nipples at once, then it cannot be ruled out that there will be two other objects that are similar in shape."
    1. V. Tarasyan
      V. Tarasyan 21 August 2013 11: 55 New
      +2
      And you can find out why Wasserman wrote this? Preferably with a reference. Wasserman is the head. So subtly and gracefully articulate ... hi
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 21 August 2013 08: 23 New
    +7
    worthless. The training took place this way from the moment Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU. We also need to protect our markets from re-export from the EU. By the way, customs also works with all EU countries, so Ukraine just needs to be prepared. Nobody is going to persuade Ukraine to join the Customs Union, they made a choice, and they will like other European countries trade with Russia on exactly the same conditions.
  • Landwarrior
    Landwarrior 21 August 2013 08: 32 New
    +3
    There will be no Ukrainian sweets? Pichalbeda crying
    Again have to eat "Red October" laughing

    By the way, who forgot- 22 of a year ago the GKChP failed and the "process has begun" (c) crying
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 21 August 2013 09: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Landwarrior
      By the way, who forgot- 22 of a year ago the GKChP failed and the "process has begun" (c)

      What's this? Happy holiday or what?
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior 21 August 2013 09: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        What's this? Happy holiday or what?


        Not at all. Simply. To remember.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 09: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: Landwarrior
      Again have to eat Red October

      Yes, we will choke to nausea wassat
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 21 August 2013 09: 30 New
        +7
        You can also choke and suffer with the products of Samara "Russia" laughing
        1. Landwarrior
          Landwarrior 21 August 2013 10: 54 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey57
          You can also choke and suffer with the products of Samara "Russia"

          I also wanted to write about her, but with the word "Eat" the word "Russia" sounds somehow ambiguous wassat
  • Su-9
    Su-9 21 August 2013 08: 56 New
    -1
    I have all this mess causes double thoughts. First of all, I see that again between Russia and Ukraine they drive a wedge. In this particular case, Onishchenko initiated - and he does it himself because he cares so much about the health of Russians, or at the direction of - and on whose behalf - here we can already have many versions. In what is worse than Mexican or Brazilian, I doubt it. Russia needs to decide - it needs to be in union with Ukraine (and potentially wants to unite) - or it is necessary to push Ukraine in euros (hoping that they will not take it there). If you need to be in an alliance, you need to tie up the markets as much as possible so that the same Poroshenko does not know where else to sell his sweets, and so that Akhmetov (a much more influential politician) sells metal not to China and America, but to us. Then - there will be a union, and everything else. And there will be Ukraine like Canada, in the wake of the policy of a larger neighbor, with a military alliance, the same armament and a future open market (I don’t think of the current TS if it were open, then it would be in turn - from the same Turks for example).
    Something like this.
    Once again, it’s a pity that there is again a small Wed ... h between the brothers.
    1. Andrey57
      Andrey57 21 August 2013 09: 34 New
      +3
      Speaking of the lineup in the TS - New Zealand is negotiating accession to the TS bully
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Andrey57
        Speaking of the lineup in the TS - New Zealand is negotiating accession to the TS bully
        This is bullshit, if Nauru (a state on the coral island of the same name in the western Pacific Ocean with an area of ​​21 km². Population - 9 322 people. Nauru is the smallest independent republic in the world, the smallest island state, the smallest state of Oceania, the smallest state outside Europe and the only republic in the world without an official capital.) Then some of our students even knew where it is located ... wink
    2. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 21 August 2013 09: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: Su-9
      Russia needs to decide - it needs to be in union with Ukraine


      Not Russia needs to decide whether to be with Ukraine or not, but Ukraine needs to do this! Geyrop, Ukraine is needed as a buffer zone, we need you as a good friend and neighbor.

      Believe me, there is something to compare. I lived in Ukraine for 17 years in Ivano-Frankivsk, and I have something to compare.

      The Ukrainian government is chasing two birds with one stone and will not catch a single one. Will remain at the trough!
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 10: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: Su-9
      Russia needs to decide - it needs to be an alliance with Ukraine

      This Russia needs to be determined ????? Are you kidding me now? Maybe this is Ukraine at the crossroads and thinks where to rush.
      1. Su-9
        Su-9 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
        +1
        I do not live in Ukraine, so it’s not for me to determine where Ukraine should go.
        According to your comments, I see that you understand the issue and, in your opinion, there are excellent prerequisites for Ukrainians for the TS. It is perfectly.
        But what I see in the media — I don’t like it — for the last 10 years, every couple of months, Ukrainians have been blocked off, limited, technical cooperation has not been established since Ukraine wants to join NATO (and at the same time parallel technologies are purchased in Europe) and etc.
        If the position is that we are one people, then it is not necessary to relate to the Ukrainians, but at least since official Moscow refers to friends from the Caucasus (there’s an article here today about Ingush). In this, I believe, is the choice of Russia.
        And the fact that Ukraine needs to choose - yes, but their choice is secondary - the stronger side always chooses.
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 August 2013 09: 04 New
    +3
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Ukraine has long been living off external loans, that is, it exists "on credit."

    Stop giving Daw a moan. EVERYTHING they have X-A-P-A-Sh-O !! Squeeze the Crimea, and there, at least let them do it with themselves. Even if vinegar is etched, even if in spite of all, your ears are frostbite ...
  • Inspector
    Inspector 21 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +2
    But what about the "lard in chocolate"? This is a drug)))))
  • individual
    individual 21 August 2013 09: 11 New
    0
    Between Moscow and Kiev there is a delimitation of the market of interests.
    Friendship is friendship, and tobacco and tyutyun should be in different pouches.
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  • IGS
    IGS 21 August 2013 09: 31 New
    12
    “So where did the figure that Putin voiced came from, 1,5 percent. This is not something that Ukraine will receive..that it will NOT LOSE” laughing
    But, in general, gentlemen, Ukrainians stop whining and blaming Russia for everything, today it’s a date about the State Emergency Committee, so remember how you yelled that Ukraine feeds Russia, and you’re tired of it, remember how you called us riddlers, and now you’ll heal like pans ... And they became independent, and Russia took over all the debts of the USSR, and YOURS too, and you got the Crimea, although you had nothing to do with it. And our pensioners paid and your debts. And now you howl? Looking for the guilty? Look in the mirror. Got it ... We owe you nothing. You can minus, but what was not erased.
    1. Landwarrior
      Landwarrior 21 August 2013 10: 37 New
      0
      That's right. Ukrainians are like children, spruce. That "I'm big, I want equal treatment," but a little howl, "Help, offend!" laughing

      Nobody was forcibly kicked out of the Union; they themselves wanted to "independence". Well, if they wanted, they got it, nobody forcibly imposed it. Duc and now what?
      Funny ... to tears
  • pensioner
    pensioner 21 August 2013 09: 39 New
    0
    Quote: IGS
    Got it ... We owe you nothing.

    Right! Let them go wherever they want. Without Crimea.
    Quote: IGS
    I got Crimea, although you had nothing to do with it
    -exactly!
    1. IGS
      IGS 21 August 2013 10: 07 New
      +1
      Thank you for understanding. I'm just wondering ... who minus me, and what is wrong with me? laughing 22 years have passed, time has put everything in place. Someone, obviously, really wants to forget this.
  • morpogr
    morpogr 21 August 2013 09: 45 New
    -1
    It was a visual experiment that will happen when Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU. It is clearly shown that re-export of European goods across the border from Ukraine will not take and the import of duty-free goods from Ukraine is one thing, and the European is different, they again wanted to sit in two chairs. Yacht posi. Hkhdet. Sign the agreement yourself limit themselves because Russia will abolish benefits
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 10: 01 New
      -1
      Quote: morpogr
      It was a visual experiment that will happen when Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU. It is clearly shown that re-export of European goods across the border from Ukraine will not work

      I agree, but with one retreat. It should not be like 22 June 41 year. And this time it turned out that way.
      1. IGS
        IGS 21 August 2013 10: 13 New
        +3
        You were warned, and oh, both in advance and at the highest level! Or did you have to be warned in 5 years (or better for 100)? So that the authorities were already different, and what would you have time to wag ...
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 10: 33 New
          -2
          Quote: IGS
          You were warned, and oh, both in advance and at the highest level!

          Pre-warn an official document.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 21 August 2013 10: 55 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim
            Pre-warn an official document.

            Well, the EU has already warned you there with a 900-page document.
            Begin while changing the railway tracks. A lot of work, one can say a lot.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 30 New
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              Begin while changing the railway tracks. A lot of work, one can say a lot.

              Hahhahaha, and they will also give a loan for this, there are no more relevant cases in Ukraine wassat
            2. Mhpv
              Mhpv 21 August 2013 12: 00 New
              0
              Quote: ATATA
              Begin while changing the railway tracks.

              They will change the way in general all the trains on the border will stand up, because you have to rearrange the wheelsets or whatever it is called.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: Akim

            Pre-warn an official document.

            There are enough words of official Russian officials, you’re sitting, you’re not inventing what. There will be a document, the signature is not enough, the seal is not the same. All suppressed before the fact, go to the EU hi
          3. IGS
            IGS 21 August 2013 11: 54 New
            0
            About what? What is happening now at the border is not a ban on imports, but a tightening of control. The management of Ukrainian enterprises was notified of claims to products. All legal norms have been complied with, which is why you are trying to come to an agreement "fraternally" through the premiere, realizing that the European Union will not help you. It is time to realize that you have been treated according to the rules that you have chosen and are choosing, so that you it’s better to warn yourself about the consequences of your actions, but it’s easier to turn on your head.
            1. Akim
              Akim 21 August 2013 12: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: IGS
              What is happening at the border now is not a ban on imports, but a tightening of control

              Patrol officers also may not delay. But you will go through the city for a long time. So it is here.
      2. Corsair
        Corsair 21 August 2013 10: 51 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        I agree, but with one retreat. It should not be like 22 June 41 year. And this time it turned out that way.


        I will join the commentIGS.Ukraine has repeatedly made "promises", including at the highest level, that the decision on European integration will entail retaliatory action by the Russian Federation. And then the hour came "H", and there were groans and lamentations.
        Get used to the tough actions of the partners, if you join the European Union (which I really doubt, unless in order to “fasten” Ukraine to NATO) they won’t “bother” with you (there are examples of other EU members that are not very comforting for you).
      3. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 21 August 2013 11: 07 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        . It should not be like June 22, 41. And this time it turned out that way.

        And they didn’t warn you ??? So it will be exactly the day after signing.
  • alicante11
    alicante11 21 August 2013 09: 55 New
    +8
    According to the Ukrainian side, some extremist forces are guilty of creating a conflict, who will stop at nothing to “quarrel the two fraternal countries”


    It’s interesting how to join the EU, not the brothers, but how they pressed it at the customs, they immediately shut up the brothers. Damn, how tired of this pan-Slavic prostitution.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 21 August 2013 10: 12 New
    0
    Eat fish and sit on a stool here does not work. Hard choice
  • Corsair
    Corsair 21 August 2013 10: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    And so it goes. Only not to Europe, but to the Middle East and Asia. But you are a smart person and you understand that it will not be possible to reorient markets quickly.

    Road going by walking.
    But is the government choosing that road for Ukrainians?
    And how the Ukrainian economy was going to deploy a “vector of orientation” towards the Eurozone, because it is connected with a radical breaking “across the knee” of all economic and financial spheres.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 10: 58 New
      -1
      Quote: Corsair
      towards the Eurozone, because it is connected with a radical break-through "through the knee" of all economic and financial spheres.

      It depends on what. In general, diversification of the economy is needed. Now for comparison, most of the imports do not go to Russia, but in 2004 - it was 80% of the Russian market.
      1. Corsair
        Corsair 21 August 2013 11: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Now for comparison, most of the imports do not go to Russia, but to 2004 - this was 80% to the Russian market.


        How will the issue be solved with enterprises in Ukraine belonging to Russian business and naturally oriented mainly to the Russian market and the vehicle?
        The share of these enterprises in the Ukrainian economy is not small ...
      2. Ivan_Ivanov
        Ivan_Ivanov 21 August 2013 11: 20 New
        +2
        Now for comparison, most of the import is not going to Russia

        It's a lie.
        1. general
          general 21 August 2013 18: 51 New
          -5
          Lies are you and your profile under the Ukrainian flag wink
      3. A spacer
        A spacer 21 August 2013 19: 02 New
        +1
        Quote: Akim
        Now for comparison, most of the imports do not go to Russia, but to 2004 - this was 80% to the Russian market.

        Well, right, you can’t be so childishly mistaken:
        import - from lat. importo - import, how can import "go away"?
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 19: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Simpleton
          Well, right, you can’t be so childishly mistaken:


          We ask forgiveness. In the morning there was such an attack on my comments - I barely managed to fight back. Eyes were washed up.
          1. A spacer
            A spacer 21 August 2013 19: 40 New
            0
            Quote: Akim
            Eyes are washed away

            Emotions, emotions - and no constructive ... (do not accept in your address, please).
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 22 August 2013 02: 57 New
            -2
            Quote: Akim
            In the morning there was such an attack on my comments - I barely managed to fight back. Eyes were washed up.
            I’m afraid that they have been blotted out for a long time.
            1. Akim
              Akim 22 August 2013 08: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: ATATA
              I’m afraid that they have been washed out for a long time.

              If my opinion does not coincide with the one you want to hear, this does not mean that I am an albino.
  • Mestny
    Mestny 21 August 2013 10: 42 New
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Tender Ukrainian fat loses well behind the ears of Russians. (All my guests Muscovites immediately run to Privoz for tender lard, which also smokes in the mouth.

    How? Did the oaths eat everything again?
  • dropout
    dropout 21 August 2013 11: 06 New
    0
    Yes, not a single fat ........
  • Ivan_Ivanov
    Ivan_Ivanov 21 August 2013 11: 17 New
    +7
    During the general counterattack of the Red Army from the end of December 1942, the liberation of Ukraine from the Nazi invaders began. The first to enter the land of Ukraine were the troops of the 1st Guards Army under the command of General V. Kuznetsov, who on December 18, 1942 drove the invaders out of the village of Pivnivka, Melovsky District, in the Luhansk region.


    During the liberation of Ukraine, the Red Army fired and bombed Ukrainian cities and villages. Occupied, but in which there were many inhabitants. Residents of Ukraine. Some of which, of course, died in the process of liberation of Ukraine.

    But no one will turn their tongues (except for the Goebels propaganda) to say that the Red Army, the USSR, Russia fought against Ukraine.

    So it is now. This war is not against Ukraine, not against Ukrainians, although naturally we, ordinary citizens of Ukraine, will suffer very much as a result of this war. This is a war against the occupiers, against those who are in their service, against the modern analogue of the Hauptmanns and policemen, against those who destroy the Ukrainian people, Ukrainian industry, against those who use the resources (human, material, financial) of Ukraine against the Ukrainians themselves and against Russia.
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  • Sochi
    Sochi 21 August 2013 11: 25 New
    +5
    Damn, HOW THESE DISCUSSIONS HAVE ALREADY REACHED ... We needed it hard to understand, the propaganda of the west of their stooges for 20 years has borne fruit ... A generation has already grown up holy that the Russians are the Finno-Mongol-Tatars, and that the Russians have tyrannized them for three hundred years, and then there’s a carrot in the form of the EU and European integration. It’s too late for them to explain that everything was different. Onizh sacredly believe that the USA was whitewashed in the Second World War, and the Russians simply threw the Germans “meat”, and they (the genetic Europeans) used that same “meat” in that war ... So they are looking for an excuse to blame everything on the Russians and in everything blame Russia. Look how they with foam at the mouth prove that Malyshev, Antonov is purely UKRAINIAN ... point blank not seeing that this is all the USSR, it is GENERAL. It’s useless to persuade them, and upstairs they understood it and did it clearly, well, if they don’t even understand after that ... then God be with them. Although it is very unfortunate, the crest and relatives in Ukraine are immeasurable ...
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 21 August 2013 11: 36 New
      +1
      well, if they don’t even understand after that ...

      They don’t understand. In the evening, flipping through UkroTV. Through the channel about the war of Russia against Ukraine. About how Russia is deceitful, unfair, hypocritical, vicious, how it wants to destroy a good, wonderful Ukraine and the same Ukrainians.

      ALL EVENING. ON ALL INFORMATION CHANNELS AND TRANSMISSIONS.

      People were washed their heads so much that even many Russians, in the sense of GREAT RIGHTS, who, by the will of fate, found themselves in Ukraine, often already in adulthood, began to consider Russia as such: vicious, hypocritical, seeking to slander and destroy the good Ukraine and them together.
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 21 August 2013 12: 15 New
        +2
        Now, that’s the whole trouble. as one famous comrade said: if a person is told every day that he is a pig, then after five years he grunts. And here for 20 years there has been propaganda, so it is not surprising that they believe in it.
      2. general
        general 21 August 2013 18: 40 New
        +1
        In the evening, leafing through RosTV. Through the channel about the war of Russia against Ukraine. About how Ukraine is deceitful, unfair, hypocritical, vicious, how it wants to destroy a good, wonderful Russia and betray the same Russians.

        ALL EVENING. ON ALL INFORMATION CHANNELS AND TRANSMISSIONS.

        People were washed their heads so much that even many Ukrainians, in the sense of SLAVES, who, by the will of fate, found themselves in Russia, often already in adulthood, began to consider Ukraine as such: vicious, hypocritical, seeking to slander and destroy good Russia and them together.
        1. Sochi
          Sochi 22 August 2013 17: 35 New
          -2
          Past the box office ... not Ukraine with its potential to compete with Russia; the majority of the population do not care what is being done in Ukraine, and young people (with our pro-American education) do not know where it is or what it is.
    2. Corsair
      Corsair 21 August 2013 14: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Sochi
      They needed to be difficult to understand, the propaganda of their supporters from the west for 20let paid off ... The generation has grown up that already believes that the Russians are Finno-Mongol-Tatars, and that the Russians have tyrannized them for three hundred years, and then there’s a carrot in the form of the EU and European integration


      You are wrong in Ukraine enough healthy forces to turn the tide, but the Ukrainian mentality has a tradition of "sit to the extreme" and only then ...
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 22 August 2013 17: 39 New
        0
        Well, about the mentality inappropriately - I myself am a crest ... Most find it easier to adapt to the new government, less hemorrhoids and safer. But if it goes to extremes, it will be bad for everyone. Yes, and this feature is common Slavic.
  • 128mgb
    128mgb 21 August 2013 11: 27 New
    +1
    It’s interesting for me to get a bell to the Ukrainian elite? Or blink again? After all, it has been shown already, right under the nose, what will happen if the association is signed. Or will mentality work again?
  • stilus
    stilus 21 August 2013 11: 27 New
    +3
    Quote: krasin
    Having assessed the opening market, in Ukraine they decided to grab most of it. What I achieved, even if not by the most honest methods. For fattening pigs whose lard is exported to Russia, corn grain and soybeans are used, genetically modified so that the unfortunate animal that fed them dies of obesity in the first year of life. In part, this solves the problem of slaughter, because killing a pig, with 35 cm fat under the skin, is not an easy task. Of course, all this is carefully hidden, because the publication of such a thing is unprofitable for the authorities of “Independent

    Sorry dear, but it seems to me you are talking nonsense. Do you have any idea how to slaughter animals? Believe me - fat thickness does not affect this process at all!
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 August 2013 11: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Captain Vrungel
    Tender Ukrainian fat loses well behind the ears of Russians

    I don’t know how Ukrainian lard pops behind my ears because I don’t trust even Russian producers of salt in this matter, it’s not long and costly and it’s interesting with all kinds of different recipes. The whole family likes it. hi
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 12: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: mhpv
      I salt it myself

      At Privoz, neither fat nor stockfish (almost nothing at all) was factory-produced. All at home.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 21 August 2013 12: 23 New
        0
        Quote: Akim
        All at home.

        Who knows what these hands were still doing before salting? request
        1. Akim
          Akim 21 August 2013 12: 31 New
          0
          Quote: mhpv
          Who knows what these hands were still doing before salting?

          I graduated from a familiar food academy, they said the same thing.
          Do not think about it.
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  • mazepa
    mazepa 21 August 2013 12: 00 New
    -7
    If the pro-Russian Akim is being denied for the objective truth, how will they treat the average Ukrainian?) No, brothers, in these trade wars you are actually digging your own grave. Without competition in the market, you will become a swamp, and Ukraine groaning will be reorganized into European markets and, as a result, will only benefit from this. And in the case of successful integration, this will be a huge blow to the image of the Slavic brothers and the values ​​of communism. Ukraine will become closer to the Western Slavs.
    1. Ivan_Ivanov
      Ivan_Ivanov 21 August 2013 12: 20 New
      +3
      laughing laughing

      To believe that Europe came to Ukraine in order to allow the reorientation of Ukrainian products to others, IN OUR MARKETSto make Western Slavs, Europeans from Ukrainians - this is the same as believing that the Germans came to Ukraine to make Aryans from Ukrainians.

      More than 7 million extinct population of Ukraine confirms this.
    2. xan
      xan 21 August 2013 13: 49 New
      -1
      Yeah, Russia only competes with Ukraine. Ukraine does not allow Russia to become a swamp, well, this is just a personal good example
      You write nonsense, illness, Ukraine’s GDP per capita is almost 3 times less than Russian.
      And so it’s understandable, yet another "peermog" is coming
    3. MG42
      MG42 21 August 2013 23: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: mazepa
      no, brothers, in these trade wars you are actually digging your grave. Without competition in the market, you will become a swamp, and Ukraine groaning will be reorganized into European markets and, as a result, will only benefit from this. And in the case of successful integration, this will be a huge blow to the image of the Slavic brothers and the values ​​of communism. Ukraine will become closer to the Western Slavs

      Mazepa Ivan under the chinese flag laughing wassat complete nonsense..
      You know, he laughs well, who laughs last. This association agreement may not be signed, there are many but >>>>
      1. Tymoshenko has not yet been released and the prospects are foggy, since Yanukovych understands that if she goes free, then in 2015 he will definitely not win the presidential election, and this is a tough condition for the EU ... to release Yulia ..
      2. Yanukovych himself loves to play thimbles, the criminal past is having an effect.
      3. Moscow, too, will not be idle during this time, until only the "yellow card" ..
      4. Remember the story of the MAP, a bummer at the last moment, and Ukraine’s entry into NATO was covered with a copper basin, it can also happen here, since the EU will no longer give a second chance then, Ukraine simply zadolbal everyone there with its uncertainty.
      5. Gazprom there also has some weight in Europe ..
      6. The country Ukraine, in the event of self-independence and non-alignedness further, will then be sandwiched between the 2 unions of the CU and the EU, receiving "duties on the hump", and the unions will develop ..
      1. Corneli
        Corneli 21 August 2013 23: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: MG42
        1. Tymoshenko has not yet been released and the prospects are foggy, since Yanukovych understands that if she goes free, then in 2015 he will definitely not win the presidential election, and this is a tough condition for the EU ... to release Yulia ..

        Judging by the latest news, it’s not so tough anymore.
        Quote: MG42
        3. Moscow, too, will not be idle during this time, until only the "yellow card" ..

        So far, I see rather the opposite effect, on such "cards" there is still a greater distance
        Quote: MG42
        4. Remember the story of the MAP, a bummer at the last moment, and Ukraine’s entry into NATO was covered with a copper basin, it can also happen here, since the EU will no longer give a second chance then, Ukraine simply zadolbal everyone there with its uncertainty.

        Bummer is possible, but here the main role in the desire of "good uncles" from Europa.
        Quote: MG42
        5. Gazprom there also has some weight in Europe.

        Compared to the geopolitical benefits to the west of the split between Ukraine and Russia, the influence of Gazprom is a trifle. They need something seriously beneficial.
        Quote: MG42
        6. The country Ukraine, in the event of self-independence and non-alignedness further, will then be sandwiched between the 2 unions of the CU and the EU, receiving "duties on the hump", and the unions will develop ..

        Once again I’m convinced of the colossal nature of the damage from the “pranichchevsky” madness ... Legs in the wretchedness of the Ukrainian situation grow precisely from there. Maybe someday Yushch will be sentenced to the tower for everything good.
        1. MG42
          MG42 21 August 2013 23: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Corneli
          Once again I’m convinced of the colossal nature of the damage from the “pranichchevsky” madness ... Legs in the wretchedness of the Ukrainian situation grow precisely from there. Maybe someday Yushch will be sentenced to the tower for everything good.

          I agree +. Oleg, so it was like starling epaulettes that they had already so drastically lowered the rating?
          Quote: Corneli
          Judging by the latest news, it’s not so tough anymore.

          What news? I hope not the 5th channel?
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 22 August 2013 00: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: MG42
            I agree +. Oleg, so it was like starling epaulettes that they had already so drastically lowered the rating?

            And, it’s for me “ukroinophiles” blew up the brain yesterday. And Ostap suffered) How many times have I already promised to argue in such topics (like this one), you still can’t prove anything to anyone, you’ll get enough minuses.)
            Quote: MG42
            What news? I hope not the 5th channel?

            When I opened the mail ru or Yandex, they regularly skipped, some read the sources (the original) did not track (I was sick of the topic with SET a long time ago). In the last month or two I have seen it especially often, with the utterances of all kinds of important EU uncles ... Only our oligarchs are reassuring people, only the West is afraid to miss the opportunity of a "sweet treaty". It’s just them who won’t win, for they don’t lose anything, and thanks to a break with Russia, if signed, Ukraine can be turned around as you want. Russia, too, is not an ice: they will lose an ally, they will definitely not do it better with retaliatory sanctions (for Ukraine it’s worse, but for the West that’s why) and they will only increase bitterness and schism. In short, do not twist everything is not very (
  • PavelOPG
    PavelOPG 21 August 2013 13: 07 New
    +1
    I remember that we had the “Obolon” ​​fuel in Siberia ... but do you still have pig farms in Ukraine? almost all pork is imported there
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 21 August 2013 13: 22 New
      +4
      I wondered why there were so few visitors unsubscribed in other branches, the vast majority is here. wassat
      I wonder if there will be a record for branch attendance and comments ?! winked
  • IGS
    IGS 21 August 2013 13: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Akim
    Quote: IGS
    What is happening at the border now is not a ban on imports, but a tightening of control

    Patrol officers also may not delay. But you will go through the city for a long time. So it is here.

    And note, reproaching them for not warning your wife in advance with an official document is only possible in delirium. I repeat once again, Ukraine must understand that it will be necessary to bear responsibility for its actions, and not to transfer it to Russia, the European Union, the USA or Honduras.
    1. Akim
      Akim 21 August 2013 13: 47 New
      0
      Quote: IGS
      And note, reproach them for not warning your wife in advance,

      No, of course, but this is chaos. And if in the neighboring city of the same PPSnik also slow down, when he will be out of service?
      1. IGS
        IGS 21 August 2013 14: 06 New
        +1
        I repeat once again, Russia defends its interests in all accessible ways, notice LEGAL ways. This is what all countries do. Ukraine is an independent state, and frankly, not always loyal to Russia, why should it sacrifice its interests for the well-being of Ukraine? And as for the neighboring city ... it was slowed down more than once. I wrote above about the cessation of pork supplies from Ukraine, when our meat processing enterprises simply stood up.
        1. hiocraib
          hiocraib 21 August 2013 14: 18 New
          -2
          Quote: IGS
          I repeat once again, Russia defends its interests in all accessible ways, notice LEGAL ways.

          you kind of call a spade a spade - the Kremlin and the ordained thief defend their interests. on the interests of Russia-they do not care deeply.

          as soon as the politicians of the Russian Federation begin to defend the interests of Russia, then other countries will be drawn to the Russian Federation.
          1. IGS
            IGS 21 August 2013 14: 34 New
            -1
            Well, maybe enough)) look for the guilty, still say: remove Putin, and Ukraine will rise from the ruins. But, in principle, I agree, partly true (in order to reach out in this utopian version, it is necessary for your thieves to disappear). Any top will make any changes, only in case of threat to their power. In Russia, at the top, it’s weakly able to push problems to someone (even to the USA, even to Paraguay), although they are trying, so they, perhaps unwittingly, have to take steps aimed at developing the country. But in Ukraine, how they came up with an enemy (or rather an excuse), and at least someone in power covers their theft with the same song, and the worst thing is that the people of Ukraine allow this for a quarter of a century, and they believe in this fairy tale even worse.
            1. hiocraib
              hiocraib 21 August 2013 14: 45 New
              -4
              Quote: IGS
              The well-being of Ukraine, the business of Ukraine itself and only it.

              dy the same for the Russian Federation;)

              it would seem that for more than 10 years the GDP has been rising from its knees - and the allies are running away, there are only those who have no alternative at all! and the only way to keep them is to constantly twist the arms ...

              but I have not heard that Ukraine benefits from the CU?

              that I lost Belarus from joining the TS I already wrote.
  • anfreezer
    anfreezer 21 August 2013 14: 41 New
    +2
    "Kiev’s decision to sign association agreements with the EU in November this year is a direct rejection of Moscow’s offer to Ukraine to join the Customs Union." Russia explained the reasons for the customs war with Ukraine. Kiev’s desire to achieve virtually duty-free trade with the EU is to blame (the agreement involves the elimination of almost all duties between Ukraine and the EU on most industrial goods). And we can understand us, because if Ukraine signs an agreement with the EU, then a huge amount of European, Turkish and other goods will appear on the Ukrainian market, which will then flow to Russia, there is a danger of re-import, a significant part of goods from Ukraine is not subject to duties on import into Russia . It turns out that through Ukraine will be imported without duties and European goods. True, some experts believe that European goods are not so cheap as to seriously hit the Russian domestic market, even if they are re-imported from Ukraine, so the situation is more likely political - Europe cannot allow the rapprochement of the two Slavic countries, and Russia should be torn to pieces ( and the fact that in the end it ends and you don’t go to the fortuneteller, their free cheese is over) brotherly people. Normal people perfectly understand all the charms of rapprochement with the geyropa, just like us, they are aware that Ukraine doesn’t need the geyropeys !!! Neither its agriculture, nor its industry. And which country has EU accession brought certain advantages? Romania? Bulgaria? Cyprus? Each new country increases the risk of collapse of the "union". Ukraine will find itself in the EU’s “dump”, just like Greece, Cyprus, that year they barely saved Spain and Italy from bankruptcy .. Croatia is still happy, let’s look at its neighbors better ... They won’t let you bask in the grass like this the picture will be brought to a complete fall, then loaded with a multi-billion dollar loan (for example, any loan issued to Greece only increases its debt, which should reach 176% of GDP this year, Greece is unlikely to be able to repay it) and ... there was a country, yes where is she?!
  • IGS
    IGS 21 August 2013 15: 01 New
    +2
    Quote: hiocraib
    Quote: IGS
    The well-being of Ukraine, the business of Ukraine itself and only it.

    dy the same for the Russian Federation;)

    it would seem that for more than 10 years the GDP has been rising from its knees - and the allies are running away, there are only those who have no alternative at all! and the only way to keep them is to constantly twist the arms ...

    but I have not heard that Ukraine benefits from the CU?

    that I lost Belarus from joining the TS I already wrote.

    Do not be cunning)) That's what the Belarusian Old Man is screaming about accelerating the process of rapprochement. And above you were given specific numbers. By the way, name who ran away? And to persuade you to join, I’m just against it, you, with your economy, or rather its ruins and your thieves (yours is enough), will put a burden on ordinary people. Do not behave like a girl of light behavior, trying to sell non-existent virginity more expensive. You are no longer the Ukraine that was the Ж Lifeblood of the Motherland ’. The fact that you are attracted to the TS is geopolitics, the fruits of which we will not see, and you will be a burden on your current generation of Russians with your debts.
    1. hiocraib
      hiocraib 21 August 2013 15: 14 New
      -6
      Quote: IGS
      That's the Belarusian Old Man screaming about accelerating the process of rapprochement.

      this balabol balabolit a lot. the other day, his minister instructed to produce 400 axes and braids per year. lol
      well, and hopes that the Hague will not get ...

      Quote: IGS
      By the way, name who ran away?

      Azerbaijan, Moldova, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Turkmenistan ...
      this is not to mention India, all sorts of China, Asia, Africa, South America ...
      1. IGS
        IGS 21 August 2013 15: 25 New
        +1
        By the way, did Honduras run away too? belay here, damn it, ungrateful wassat
        Do not bring nonsense, even though you don’t need to talk about China ... it’s like he escaped with you, and as far as I remember, your boss was the one who gave you Crimea ... awkwardly.
        1. hiocraib
          hiocraib 21 August 2013 15: 29 New
          -4
          Quote: IGS
          yours was sitting, the one that Crimea gave you ... as it awkwardly goes.

          yes, where does Crimea come from in Belarus !?
          1. IGS
            IGS 21 August 2013 15: 35 New
            +2
            Are you from Belarus? Then yes, I apologize, the mistake came out ... And what, too, is there a desire to leave Russia?
            1. hiocraib
              hiocraib 21 August 2013 15: 44 New
              -2
              Quote: IGS
              And what also has a desire to leave Russia?

              from the Kremlin and Vorya ...
              1. IGS
                IGS 21 August 2013 15: 51 New
                +2
                Enough for you, thief, the Kremlin is just a horror story. Understand yourself first. It’s easier for you, you can remove one from you, however, if you remove it, the smaller shell will gobble up. One question, why didn’t you tell me earlier that you are from Belarus? With the naivete of a schoolboy, I thought that you were from Ukraine ... a set-off, you circled ... but why? To slip from "Russia is to blame for everything" to "the Kremlin is to blame for everything" ... sad ...
                1. hiocraib
                  hiocraib 21 August 2013 16: 01 New
                  -2
                  Quote: IGS
                  Enough for you, thief, the Kremlin is just a horror story.

                  no, harsh reality.

                  Quote: IGS
                  Understand yourself first.

                  we are trying.

                  Quote: IGS
                  One question, why didn’t you tell me earlier that you are from Belarus? With the naivete of a schoolboy, I thought that you were from Ukraine ... a set-off, you circled ... but why?

                  no idea where you got such conclusions. about what I said above.

                  Quote: IGS
                  To slip from “Russia is to blame for everything” to “the Kremlin is to blame for everything” ... sadly.

                  I didn’t understand why you started trolling! it is regrettable - instead of cultural discussion, blaming the opponent for attacks on Russia - and the case is won ...
                  1. IGS
                    IGS 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
                    +1
                    Isn't the Kremlin in Russia? And how are you trying? Or judging by the flag from Germany are you from the orange? then I'm sorry, we understand your goals and objectives, we have enough of ours. And about trolling do not be rude:
                    Quote: hiocraib
                    Quote: IGS
                    That's the Belarusian Old Man screaming about accelerating the process of rapprochement.

                    this balabol balabolit a lot. the other day, his minister instructed to produce 400 axes and braids per year. lol
                    well, and hopes that the Hague will not get ...

                    Quote: IGS
                    By the way, name who ran away?

                    Azerbaijan, Moldova, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Armenia, Turkmenistan ...
                    this is not to mention India, all sorts of China, Asia, Africa, South America ...

                    Are you sure you read the entire globe? Do not forget about the Vatican next time, otherwise it’s on the globewassat
                    All the best
      2. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 21 August 2013 15: 47 New
        +5
        Quote: hiocraib
        this balabol balabolit a lot.

        Strange you are comrade ...
        No name.
        It seems recently on the site, and you have one style on all articles - all how to smear.
        And you understand all the topics like a real pro ... just marvel at the horizons of man.

        With flags the misunderstanding:
        Here is Soviet.
        In PM "recent comments" - German.
        In this topic you find yourself - a citizen of Belarus ...

        Comrade - you hto?
        I even became curious, although the question is purely rhetorical ...
        1. hiocraib
          hiocraib 21 August 2013 16: 04 New
          -4
          Quote: Aleks tv
          Strange you are comrade ...
          No name.
          It seems recently on the site, and you have one style on all articles - all how to smear.
          And you understand all the topics like a real pro ... just marvel at the horizons of man.

          Well, not everyone can troll and discuss the personality of the opponent.
          on the topic, is there something to say?
          1. Aleks tv
            Aleks tv 21 August 2013 16: 08 New
            +1
            Quote: hiocraib
            on the topic, is there something to say?

            Nope.
            I do not go into the discussion of those where I am not Copenhagen, like you, I just read the comments with interest.

            I remembered - yesterday you generally had the Ukrainian flag.
            laughing
            1. hiocraib
              hiocraib 21 August 2013 16: 12 New
              -1
              Quote: Aleks tv
              I do not go into the discussion of those where I am not Copenhagen

              and why climbed here?

              Quote: Aleks tv
              I remembered

              ndas ... you have problems with memory ...
              1. Aleks tv
                Aleks tv 21 August 2013 16: 21 New
                +4
                Quote: hiocraib
                you have problems with memory ...

                I have no memory problems, even though I am shell-shocked.

                But the pseudo-military, and even more so the true trolls with dubious goals and flags, I always derive with pleasure.
            2. IGS
              IGS 21 August 2013 16: 16 New
              +4
              Thank you for opening your eyes to this "cosmopolitan" and the fighter against the dominance of the Old Man in Belarus.
              1. hiocraib
                hiocraib 21 August 2013 17: 26 New
                -5
                Aleks tv
                IGS

                so who is sneakily minus, but on the topic there is nothing to say ...
                1. Aleks tv
                  Aleks tv 21 August 2013 18: 16 New
                  +2
                  Quote: hiocraib
                  so who is sneakily minus, but on the topic there is nothing to say ...

                  why, get honestly deserved minuses.
                  Yesterday I put you a plus for a good, in my opinion, phrase.
                  Then I figured out what kind of fruit you were when you started to bustle on specifics.
                  This is really petty.
                  And today, reading komenty, I see that you just quarrel all. Without analyzing anyone, all the Slavs in a row. In such topics and climb.
                  1. hiocraib
                    hiocraib 21 August 2013 18: 19 New
                    -6
                    well, you yourself are very clearly described. be proud further on your meanness.

                    I have the honor.
                    1. Aleks tv
                      Aleks tv 21 August 2013 19: 09 New
                      +3
                      Quote: hiocraib
                      be proud further on your meanness.

                      - It is vile to impersonate a specialist in the field of military knowledge.
                      You warp people who have had a fate in mind.
                      - It is meanly stealthily, as in this topic, to quarrel brotherly peoples.

                      If I made a mistake, prove it with your intelligible messages, you shouldn’t just catch the cons.
                      I personally apologize if not so.
                      1. hiocraib
                        hiocraib 21 August 2013 19: 17 New
                        -4
                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        impersonating a specialist in the field of military knowledge.

                        I remember that you could not answer 2 simple questions and started trolling the opponent’s personality. anyone can check this by looking at the BMPT thread.
                        you colorfully showed your level of "specialist" there.

                        Quote: Aleks tv
                        You warp people who have had a fate in mind.

                        and as usual we troll ...

                        Quote: Aleks