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Christian martyrs and priests of Sodom

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Today, Christianity is the most persecuted religion on the planet. Every year more than 100.000 Christians are martyred - according to the 1 believer, every 5 minutes. At the same time with the onset of sodomites and the development of a system of total control over society, a well-thought-out campaign is being launched to oust those who follow Christ, not only in word, but with their own life from public life. They are killed, pursued, driven underground. At the same time, “politically correct Christians” are being shoved into “public opinion”, like those priests who bless degenerates and crown pederasts, demonstrating their readiness to do everything that the “masters of discourse” - the priesthood of the new global Babylon-Sodom ...


Usually there are six countries where Christianity is the most persecuted. These are Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, Somalia, Maldives and Yemen (several months ago, one of the newly converted Christians was publicly crucified in Yemen). However, this is not a complete list. In this list there are Maldives, where since 2008, the constitution prohibits non-Muslims to have the citizenship of the country, where public use of crosses and icons, religious sermons are prohibited by law. However, the list does not include, for example, Libya. There is no Egypt, where Islamists burn Orthodox Coptic churches and, from where, Coptic Christians flee persecution, including to Russia. There is no Iraq, from which Christians have been fleeing for many years, since the Islamists have declared them "legal victims" there. There is no Tanzania, where the sharply increased tension between Muslims and Christians in May 2013 led to an explosion during the Sunday service of a Christian church in the city of Arusha, causing dozens of victims. There is no Uzbekistan, where Christians in the spring of 2013 were forbidden to keep the Bible at home. There is no Indonesia, where from January 1999-th to January 2001 were killed more than 5.000 Christians, and more than 250.000 left their homes, fleeing from those who made them the condition "acceptance of Islam or death". There is no Nigeria - a country where more than 2013 Christians have been killed since the beginning of 800 and that as early as 1966 was the victim of a terrible slaughter that claimed the lives of thousands of followers of Christ from 50 to 100 (which led to the most bloody civil war of the second half of the 20th century, life to 3 million people, mostly Christians).

Refugee camp in tanzania. Rwandan Tutsi Christians who survived the 1994 genocide of the year, when Hutu mobs, instigated by the government and Western advisers, destroyed the machete and hoes 800.000. Christian

Particularly noteworthy is the absence in the list of Syria, where until the beginning of the revolt supported by the West only Orthodox were over 650 thousand, and in general Christians made up about 12-15% of the population. Now in some areas of the country gangs of insurgents are raging. Observers record "a huge number of incidents when Christians in Syria are killed, expelled, demand ransom, destroy their homes." But Syria has always been "an example of a fairly harmonious peaceful coexistence of a number of both ethnic and religious communities."

“Christians to the Cross” are calling for graffiti slogans in Syrian settlements captured by thugs supported by the West. For example, on the walls of the city of Homs, captured in the spring of 2012, from where militants of the oppositional Assad formations of the Independent Omar al-Farouq Brigade type or the London-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights expelled almost 50-thousandth Christian community in few days, brutally killing over 200 person. In two years, dozens of churches were destroyed and blown up in Syria. As Catholic, like the temple in Deir ez-Zor, and the Orthodox, like the oldest monastery in the name of the revered and Christian by Christians and Muslims, Elijah the prophet in El Quseir.

Photo 1 - This is the way Yemen accepts Christianized Muslims. There, faith in Christ is considered the greatest crime and is strictly punished (ostensibly according to Sharia law).

Photo 2 - In Indonesia, captured Christians, if they refuse to convert to Islam, are beheaded

3 photo - Syrian Christian before and after many days of rape and torture, which she was subjected to by a gang of "rebels"


The Islamists kill the body, their Western masters - the soul. This is often done almost imperceptibly, with European thoroughness and thoroughness. Although sometimes takes frankly demonstrative form. The opinion is being introduced that Christianity bears the threat of European integration, since it contradicts the new “European values”, like same-sex “marriages”. Christians are defamed in the media. In European cities, hang up anti-Christian advertising. Under the banner of tolerance and political correctness, Christians are striving to oust society from all spheres of life — schools, the army, and the authorities.

At the beginning of 2013, Christian temples began to be demolished in France under the pretext of lack of funds for the maintenance of monuments. This began after President Francois Hollande announced the creation of a special agency to spy on the principle of separation of the Church from the state, and Interior Minister Manuel Valls announced at a press conference about upcoming reprisals against "religious extremists." Especially the French minister stressed that the repressions would be applied to groups like the Civitas and the Society of St. Pius X, who united traditionalist Catholics who did not recognize the decisions of the Second (ecumenical) Vatican Council. The French police were tasked with identifying "clerics who are a potential threat to the country's security."


Photos of 1 and 2. Neogothic masterpiece - Cathedral of Sts. Jacob, who demolished the authorities of the French city of Abbeville, following the decision of the authorities of the European Union. At the site of the destroyed cathedral it is planned to build a casino complex (possibly with a fashionable brothel) for the VIPs of the European Parliament and the Brussels bureaucracy. During the demolition of the building, a crucifix was thrown into the dumpster, deliberately in front of many witnesses.

Photos of 3 and 4. Serbian temples in Kosovo.


The beginning of the attack on the church in France coincided with the abolition in official documents of the concepts of "father" and "mother" and the mass demonstrations throughout the country against same-sex "marriages". Although the demonstrations were dispersed by the authorities with tear gas, they showed that, despite the best efforts of the "European integrators", Christian values ​​are still significant for the French.

A similar situation takes place in Germany, where in the coming years they will be closed and given to restaurants, banks and commercial premises around the 700 temples, and in England, where they are already fired for wearing crosses and directly indicate the relationship between the government’s position on same-sex "marriages" and the beginning of the persecution of Christians. Former head of the Anglican Church, Lord George Carey, in late March, blamed the government of David Cameron for making Christians feel forced out of the blue. Meanwhile, in England, already around 20, thousands of schoolchildren who have not reached 11 years, have been included in the lists of so-called hate criminals for using the word "fagot" ...

Even in Catholic Poland, the local “Pussy Rayot” is tearing up on the stage Scripture and calling the church a “criminal sect.” And politicians are surprised at the “sudden phenomenon” of the anti-clerical Polish party Palikot (Ruch Palikota), famous for the fact that its activists are urging to remove the cross hanging from the parliamentary hall and that this party for the first time stories In Poland, a homosexual and “transsexual” pederast, who pursues his sexual orientation, ended up in parliament. This phenomenon is all the more surprising because Palikotu also lost a significant part of the traditionally conservative (“scleric”) peasant voters, whose leader Andrzej Lepper, who spoke in favor of improving relations with Russia and its neighbors in the East, was found hanging. Just before the appearance of the "Palikot phenomenon".

Christian martyrs and priests of Sodom

Polish card of persecution of Christians in the world. Red marked countries where "bloody persecution" takes place, orange - "repression and discrimination in the public sphere", yellow - "discrimination" of Christians


The attack on Christianity goes not only in Western Europe, but also across the ocean, where a ban has already been imposed on the celebration of Christmas and other Christian holidays.

Note that on the day of Orthodox Christmas (January 7) in some Western countries began to celebrate the holidays, rooted in pagan cults and superstitions, such as the worship of the Magi, the witch Befane (in Italy), etc. In recent years, this occult-pagan fad has been openly promoted. At the same time, the feast of the Nativity of Christ in every way is "modernized." For example, a few years ago, British citizens congratulated Christmas on TV on Christmas ... a veil Muslim! Since 1998, some municipal councils in English cities, such as Birmingham, have been trying to rename Christmas “vinterval” (winter interval). In Italy, the city council of Bologna ordered the inclusion of a statue of nude porn actress Moana Pozzi in the sculptural scene of Christmas in the square near the city hall building. Prior to this, the city decided to dress up the statue of the Mother of God in a mini-skirt and high-heeled shoes. Overseas at Christmas is prohibited as a mention of himself, and the display of Christian symbols. For example, the inscription “Merry Christmas!” Was removed from the Christmas platforms during the annual procession in Denver, which was attended by belly dancers and a legion of lesbians and homosexuals.

Meanwhile, in the United States, for the first time in its history, according to a study by The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, the number of Christians fell below 50% and continues to decline. At the same time, the counter process is gaining momentum - the number of those who reject Christianity to pink-blue foam on their lips is growing. In 2012, the administrations of a number of US schools introduced a ban on the mention of the "Almighty", "God", the use of the word "Christmas", etc. The curriculum is being revised, passages of a religious nature are excluded from textbooks. For example, in North Carolina, a school principal forced a 6-year-old student to remove the mention of God from a poem (“He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength”), which the girl wrote and wanted to read at the Veterans Day holiday. The New York Department of Education has also entered the "politically correct" war against Christians. Along with the prohibition of religious holidays and the removal of expressions “that can offend students” from the works of the classics of world literature, children are introduced to the habits of homosexuals, the words “dad” and “mom” are removed from the official circulation ...

We realize: new persecutions of Christians in attempts to eradicate the Christian faith are being coordinated today on a global scale. Like two thousand years ago, those who, seized by the elements of spiritual degeneration, cultivating superstitions, vices and evil, crave complete power over the world, preach hatred of Christianity. As then, the Christians of our day are increasingly becoming martyrs. As then, the blood of the martyrs gives birth to new confessors of the faith.
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  1. makst83
    makst83 21 August 2013 07: 34
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    The ghosts of Sodom and Gomorrah are walking the planet! It's time to get rid of the square! And we can accept Christians persecuted from Europe for permanent residence - this is much better than guests from sunny Asia.
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    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 August 2013 15: 59
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      Quote: Author Nikolai Malishevsky
      new persecution of Christians in efforts to eradicate the Christian faith is coordinated today on a global scale



      In fact, everything is very serious.

      This is what the servant of Satan writes
      Our goals are well known to you. THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT - THERE IS WHAT WE NEED. And it will be formed - whether you like this idea or not. You yourself ask us about it. Because further it will only get worse and worse, worse and worse. Soon you will realize that the so-called CRISIS has not even begun. This is not a CRISIS, my dears, it is a MANAGED CHAOS. And not many of you will see how it ends ... Society is still too far away from not only accepting the idea of ​​a single world government, but also seeing its only salvation in the new world order. Therefore, we must first bring society into the necessary condition for this. For this, much more is needed than economic paralysis — war, hunger and epidemics are needed all over the world ”(Zbigniew Brzezinski, June 4, 2009).
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 16: 43
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        "There is no Uzbekistan, where Christians were forbidden to keep the Bible at home in the spring of 2013." - and what should you call this country? Churkistan probably.
        1. Simon
          Simon 22 August 2013 14: 57
          +1
          And they, in my opinion, without Russians have always been like that.
        2. cdrt
          cdrt 22 August 2013 16: 24
          +3
          "There is no Uzbekistan, where Christians were forbidden to keep the Bible at home in the spring of 2013." - and what should you call this country? Churkistan probably.

          In the early to mid-1990s, all analysts and those who visited Uzbekistan were sure that this would be the fastest growing country in the post-Soviet space.
          There was science, art, culture. There were hi-tech manufacturing, aircraft manufacturing, defense industry, space. Good institutions. Tashkent was probably the most international city in Asia: Russians, Koreans, Greeks, Germans, Jews, Uzbeks (by the way, Uzbeks were a minority in Tashkent, it seems). Noah's ark in general.
          Then ... Uzbekistan for the Uzbeks.
          The Germans left for Germany, the Jews in Israel, the Greeks in Greece. The rest are in the Russian Federation. Uzbeks followed them, having received a good (Russian-speaking) education
          Everything disappeared - industry, science, art.
          Now - in fact, the Central Asian despotism without the present and with an uncertain future (spent a lot of time there).
          Well, and if they took up Christianity ... Everything - a circle with a circumference of 150 years closed. The country returned to the place it occupied before the conquest of Russia.
      2. terp 50
        terp 50 21 August 2013 16: 49
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        ... there is a "group of 300", claiming to be so-called. - "world domination, isn't it from there that" legs "grow?
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 17: 03
          42
          Personally, this article shocked me, destroyed churches, murders of believers, mockery of shrines, hatred of Christianity. Well, okay, those who are trying to destroy Christianity, Orthodoxy - and then what? Chaos? Humanity cannot exist without faith. In what they will believe - apparently in Satan. It seems that Satan won and everything bad that modern man is capable of suddenly crawled out and captures more and more territories, as if the end of the world is coming. Everyone will become Muslims? This is not an alternative religion to Christianity, too young, too "wild", too small percentage of highly developed, highly intelligent, educated people. Without Christianity, Orthodoxy, this world is over. The educated part of the Muslim society must understand this and stand up for Christian values.
          1. Val_y
            Val_y 21 August 2013 17: 58
            28
            A similar state, he knew a lot, but did not know much, the HORROR, and most importantly, they are quietly silent about it. The glory of GOD is still a country that opposes global otolerastivaniyu and sodomy.
          2. Flooding
            Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 38
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            Quote: Ruslan_F38
            Humanity cannot exist without faith.

            Already now the society is offered many options to choose from.
            This is scientific atheism, and agnosticism, and neopaganism, blooming in double color, and all kinds of surrogates in the form of various sects.
            Society is under a massive attack, the sole purpose of which is to uproot culture, tradition, moral and ethical foundations. And, of course, the church is at the forefront.
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            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 21: 03
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              Do you need old dusty books dedicated to fairy tales and legends in order to act well and to distinguish good from evil? Without them, you yourself can’t guess that you can’t take someone else’s and force women too?


              I’m not a fanatic of faith, this is, firstly, secondly, it’s not so arrogant to people’s faith in justice, goodness, compassion - in general, everything good that Christianity, Orthodoxy carries.
              Thirdly, for those who are deaf and do not want to understand the type of you - there are values ​​that any normal person lives, well, for example - to steal badly, to kill terribly, to pass by a person dying of hunger and thirst and not to drink and not feed him wrong, to force women badly, continue? Here is a small part of the values ​​that Christianity and Orthodoxy bear. Where did you get your values ​​(if they are of course)? Or were you born with them right away? Or your parents? Or your environment?
              Sometimes it’s worth some to read old dusty books to do the right thing. Maybe there is still someone smarter than you?
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              2. Rumata
                Rumata 21 August 2013 21: 57
                -12 qualifying.
                Quote: Ruslan_F38
                Sometimes it’s worth some to read old dusty books to do the right thing. Maybe there is still someone smarter than you?

                Have you read? I've read in both Russian and Hebrew (Old Testament), such a number of violence, murders, executions and atrocities are not found in any other book. Or do you choose only what you like, the commandments that suit you, but you don’t notice the killing of entire nations, the slaughter of women and children, by the will of God? So ask here for a quote from Richard Dawkins -


                "I will not try to deliberately offend anyone, but I am not going to wear white gloves and show more reverence for religion than I would do with any other research subjects. The Old Testament god is perhaps the most unpleasant character in all fiction: the jealous proud of his jealousy ; petty, unjust, vindictive despot; vengeful, bloodthirsty chauvinist killer; intolerant of homosexuals, misogynist, racist, killer of children, peoples, brothers, cruel megalomaniac, sadomasochist, capricious, vicious offender. "
                1. tomket
                  tomket 22 August 2013 00: 04
                  10
                  In fact, it’s God that’s exactly how your people actually revealed what’s called tail and mane, because you were very avaricious at different cults there, not without reason Moses compared your people to a whore who was ready to spread her legs in front of any god, but in your people less should Mary appear, in fact, how could Christ be born surrounded by the abomination that the Old Testament describes to us? and it was necessary to carry out selection, as in a garden. By the way, as soon as the prophets slightly relaxed their grip, you again invented Kabbalah and the Talmuds, well, how’s good for you?))))
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                  2. Vlada1981
                    Vlada1981 22 August 2013 14: 33
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                    fine! laughing very witty
            2. Danafxnumx
              Danafxnumx 22 August 2013 10: 10
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              Scientologist?
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 22 August 2013 11: 09
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                Quote: DanaF1
                Scientologist?

                Are you kidding? =)
            3. Simon
              Simon 22 August 2013 15: 03
              +2
              You should probably stand in Israel near the wailing wall and beat your forehead against it, so as to be wiser and not insult the believers.
          4. shpuntik
            shpuntik 21 August 2013 21: 47
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            Ruslan_F38 (1) RU Today, 17:03 ↑
            This article personally shocked me, destroyed temples, murders of believers, mockery of shrines, hatred of Christianity. .... Without Christianity, Orthodoxy, this world is over. The educated part of Muslim society must understand this and stand up for Christian values.

            Unfortunately, Ruslan, this is not possible. Any Orthodox priest knows that the prophet Muhammad was possessed by a demon, there is a Qur'an about this. It's just that the clergy do not say it publicly, so as not to offend the Muslims. Daniil Sysoev (the son of a priest) spoke about this because he chose the path of preaching. For this he was killed. Here is a video of him:
          5. kazssr
            kazssr 22 August 2013 09: 08
            -1
            Well, they will find something to believe, for example, they say that Adam was an active gay and masturbator, and Eve was an active lesbian and bestiality (I mean the tempter snake)
      3. GELEZNII_KAPUT
        GELEZNII_KAPUT 21 August 2013 19: 38
        0
        THE ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT - will be when humanity meets another race, but for now it is just another utopia, i.e. no common adversary, no union! hi
      4. shpuntik
        shpuntik 21 August 2013 21: 32
        +6
        Vadivak RU Today, 15:59 ↑
        In fact, everything is very serious.

        "... This requires much more than economic paralysis - wars, famines and epidemics all over the world are needed" (Zbigniew Bzezhinski, June 4, 2009).

        Well, finally I saw a sound look at the problem, Vadim + good
        Satanists rule, really. Itself used to regard this as a fairy tale, until it heard from the Orthodox priest the idea that the enemy of the human race acts through specific people. And they have power, especially in the Sha. This is for us to fight.
        By the way, Brzezinski from Poland, like Pope Paul ||. The Vatican is already directly compared with the prodigal queen of the Apocalypse.
        Here is a video, pure America, although there are many understanding people.

    3. terp 50
      terp 50 21 August 2013 16: 52
      0
      ...better than?..
    4. vjhbc
      vjhbc 21 August 2013 19: 51
      -14 qualifying.
      I think this is a historical pullback for the imposition of Christianity by fire and sword
      1. enot555
        enot555 21 August 2013 22: 26
        -3
        this is correctly said !!!
    5. vlum
      vlum 21 August 2013 20: 55
      +1
      For starters, you can take refugees from the CIS in the 90s for permanent residence in Europe. And such moods among them (our former fellow citizens) are definitely there.
    6. T-100
      T-100 21 August 2013 21: 57
      +3
      The ghosts of Sodom and Gomorrah are walking the planet! It's time to get rid of the square! And we can accept Christians persecuted from Europe for permanent residence - this is much better than guests from sunny Asia.

      This is as always an empty conversation, gaining a lot of likes. And what each of us does for this, and we won’t be able to do it until they raise us or come to us. Now, if I was offered how in the Middle Ages I would go on a crusade, it’s very sad what is happening around, but I don’t think about it until I go to VO ... Or it’s really possible for everyone to get up without asking the state and parents and to go on a crusade, so to speak, or to wait until they come to us.
      PS 3 photo where a Christian Syrian was killed moved to tears, I want to score everything for tolerance, humanity, life and death, I am filled with a thirst for revenge !!!!))))
    7. Asan Ata
      Asan Ata 22 August 2013 09: 43
      -1
      I don’t understand, cleanse the squares or cleanse them from filth?
    8. eplewke
      eplewke 22 August 2013 14: 36
      0
      Not Enough Crusades! From this point of view, it was easier in the Middle Ages. Pope Urban 2: "Go and free Antioch and Jerusalem from the unbelievers." They went, released, at the same time more than 200 "infidels" were sent to the next world ... Maybe sometimes it would be good to remember history ... for prevention ...
  2. il grand casino
    il grand casino 21 August 2013 15: 13
    14
    Well, I’m kind of a man who believes in faith ... but sometimes it’s thought that half of the grief on earth is due to the opposition of religions. However, there would be no religion, people would find other reasons to slaughter each other ... in the blood we probably
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      1. KG_patriot_last
        KG_patriot_last 21 August 2013 15: 34
        -11 qualifying.
        Religion is opium for the uneducated people, for the subordination of the crowd.

        As long as the poor man is promised paradise after death, he will endure his life. And she will not feel sorry for her and will give her up for the fact that paradise will be granted to him. The universal rule of any religion. This is a herd led by devils.
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 05
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          Quote: KG_patriot_last
          And she will not feel sorry for her and will give her up for the fact that paradise will be granted to him.


          You are wrong to read how accomplished Christians, military leaders, merchants, princes, died for the faith of Christ, fought for it, like St. Alexander Nevsky, St. Fedor Ushakov, military leader Alexander Suvorov simply can’t count them
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 21 August 2013 16: 39
            +4
            Like I wrote about any religions. If you look at the Kyrgyz Republic in Polish maps gray - we do not have discrimination on any grounds.
            But the fact remains - people kill each other only because they belong to different religions. You re-read the article either.

            Here Syria lived and lived, all peacefully coexisted, and suddenly one thought came to the United States to ruin it. But I feel sorry for my soldiers. And it occurred to them to push religion on the soil and do it with the wrong hands, Al Qaeda’s pocket is a convenient partner for recruiting religious fanatics.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 47
              16
              Quote: KG_patriot_last
              Like I wrote about any religions.


              But others are not interesting to me, read the article title
      2. Fastblast
        Fastblast 21 August 2013 16: 03
        -20 qualifying.
        oh, religious fanatics began to minus!))

        don't forget to blow yourself up after lunch
        1. Manager
          Manager 21 August 2013 17: 34
          14
          Quote: Fastblast
          oh, religious fanatics began to minus!))

          But because atheism is also a religion. From the category of Satanism. When a person relieves himself of all responsibility in order to get up everything he wants. Sin in full so to speak.
          1. KG_patriot_last
            KG_patriot_last 21 August 2013 17: 39
            13
            The Soviet Socialist Union of the Republics does not need to be denigrated. I was born and raised in this country and there was nothing like that about which you write.
            1. consul
              consul 21 August 2013 19: 59
              0
              Quote: KG_patriot_last
              The Soviet Socialist Union of the Republics does not need to be denigrated. I was born and raised in this country and there was nothing like that about which you write.

              Nothing of the kind, all this was fully in the USSR and the persecution of prisons, and executions for faith, and torment, and public censure, and the destruction of churches and the creation of clubs or psychos in them hospitals and toilets with warehouses. temples for Easter and Christmas, so as not to let the youth go. All this was, only passed by you.
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 21 August 2013 23: 32
                +9
                Quote: consul
                What cost only cordon around the temples for Easter and Christmas, that would not let the youth

                I don’t know about you, dear. And in Kiev during these holidays there really was a cordon so that the "youth" would not frighten the believers and would not make fun of their grandmothers. there was such entertainment - to go to the temple, and a skeleton was hung on a T-shirt or something else like that, or they caught up with the grannies and blew out the candles. These are the militias who drove them!
          2. zao74
            zao74 21 August 2013 18: 13
            +4
            Responsibility in the soul of everyone depends on the upbringing of a person, regardless of religious preferences.
          3. chehywed
            chehywed 21 August 2013 23: 29
            +3
            Quote: Manager
            But because atheism is also a religion. From the category of Satanism. When a person relieves himself of all responsibility in order to get up everything he wants. Sin in full so to speak.

            Manager, please, if it does not bother you, explain why an atheist cannot be a MAN? And surely a bloody ub_yud_kom, for whom the main thing in life is to kill, steal, give false testimony, etc. Did you notice that the criminals are very pious?
            This is not an attack on faith, it is an attempt to explain that it is not a matter of religion, but of a person.
            1. Garyk701
              Garyk701 22 August 2013 07: 09
              +5
              You slightly confuse true believing Christians with God-fearing anointed ones. In true Christian believers, the soul is primary, and the material is secondary!
              Muslims in paradise are promised heavenly goods (material, not spiritual). Christians, in paradise, expect spiritual bliss.
              Hence the different behavior of Christians and Muslims.
              A Christian must go through material and spiritual tests in worldly life, purify himself spiritually, and enter heaven with a pure soul.
              Therefore, Christians went to torment and death, for the soul was primary for them, not life.
              The so-called cultivated now tolerance borders on the sin of cowardice.
              It seems to me that Christians should oppose active planting
              cult of consumption and primary material over spiritual in all manifestations.
              Any aggression, any encroachment on the soul should be severely punished. But only in this way can we bring up a highly spiritual society.
            2. Manager
              Manager 22 August 2013 09: 17
              +2
              Quote: chehywed
              Manager, please, if it does not bother you, explain why an atheist cannot be a MAN?

              I did not say that.
              Quote: chehywed
              Did you notice that the criminals are very pious?

              ki is in any nation, in any faith. As well as normal citizens.
          4. Fastblast
            Fastblast 22 August 2013 14: 48
            0
            Perhaps I will not argue. But you should not attribute me to atheists.
          5. Simon
            Simon 22 August 2013 15: 21
            0
            Speaking right! We already went through a similar thing after the revolution, when we destroyed temples and led church ministers to the scaffold or sent to camps.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 12
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        Quote: Fastblast
        Faith, even if everyone has their own, even if invented, but when it is in itself and its own grace!


        This is how sorry? Believe what I want? I am building a bright future for myself from the bones of fellow citizens and consider myself a patriot and citizen? So we have enough such believers in the Ministry of Defense
        1. Fastblast
          Fastblast 21 August 2013 16: 37
          -1
          Religion and faith are two different things to me.

          But in general, I do not quite understand what you mean. I didn’t speak of any bones, much less ministers.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 49
            +9
            Quote: Fastblast
            Religion and faith are two different things to me.


            What do you believe in? In a brighter future? was already. Without religion, although the code of the builder of communism was copied from the gospel
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 21 August 2013 17: 17
              +1
              I believe in God, but not in a bearded uncle in heaven, but in the law.
              1. maxvik
                maxvik 21 August 2013 17: 21
                +4
                Which god specifically? Which law specifically? Is it all written or just your thoughts?
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 17: 30
                  +5
                  Quote: maxvik
                  Which god specifically? Which law specifically?

                  Equality to God and the Law.
                  1. maxvik
                    maxvik 21 August 2013 18: 03
                    +1
                    In equality before what law? Where is this law written?
                    1. Furnace driver
                      Furnace driver 21 August 2013 19: 32
                      +6
                      Everyone’s conscience is the Law and the Court ... personal for everyone!
                      1. lyuboyan
                        lyuboyan 21 August 2013 21: 14
                        +1
                        It would be good. That's just not everyone has a conscience. How to be? There must, therefore, be a social law, it is also a state law. He must be very, very moral. And according to this Law, those who have no conscience should be judged. Morality and morality was first taught to mankind, namely, in the scriptures. Only. There should be nothing more religious in state law. Only a moral component. The law must be secular. All states must be secular. No other layers from various religious movements. Only Moral Law and complete secularism. Who wants to, let them go to temples and pray. But only in private. It would be nice if it were so ... But, it is unlikely to be. And, in this sense, religion is indeed opium for the people.
                      2. VKabanov
                        VKabanov 22 August 2013 14: 21
                        -2
                        Scriptures - preserved or falsified documents (in terms of history). Previously, people also used moral principles, another thing is that not everything is preserved for posterity.

                        You are talking about the scriptures, like a grandmother on the porch.
                      3. radio operator
                        radio operator 23 August 2013 11: 45
                        +2
                        Quote: VKabanov
                        Scriptures - preserved or falsified documents (in terms of history). Previously, people also used moral principles, another thing is that not everything is preserved for posterity.


                        On this occasion, I recall the dispute between Stalin and Bishop Luka Voino-Yasenetsky, also a prominent physiologist, author of "Essays on Purulent Surgery." Stalin asked: "You have operated on people and opened corpses many times, have you ever seen a soul?" Vladyka answered the question with a question: "Do you, Iosif Vissarionovich, believe in the existence of conscience?" - "Of course, there is a conscience," said the "father of nations". “So, while operating, I have never seen such an organ as conscience,” said the saint.
              2. does it
                does it 22 August 2013 13: 35
                0
                Quote: stalkerwalker
                Equality to God and the Law.

                This equality will never be.
            2. Hon
              Hon 21 August 2013 19: 26
              -3
              Quote: maxvik
              Which god specifically?

              The flying pasta monster
            3. Fastblast
              Fastblast 22 August 2013 14: 55
              +1
              The "oven driver" answered and I completely agree with him.
              Everyone’s conscience is the Law and the Court ... personal for everyone!
              1. radio operator
                radio operator 23 August 2013 11: 50
                +1
                Quote: Fastblast
                Everyone’s conscience is the Law and the Court ... personal for everyone!

                Conscience without regard to the spiritual and moral landmark, which is Christ, loses the concept of good and evil.
                Therefore, in Europe, parades of gays, then pedophiles, then cattle and necrophiles with their partners, are the norm.
          2. Val_y
            Val_y 21 August 2013 18: 01
            11
            You can’t cover everything with the law, you won’t reach the point of absurdity in Europe, and most importantly, if the law is respected. Conscience still needs justice, in the normal sense.
            1. Fastblast
              Fastblast 22 August 2013 15: 03
              -1
              I did not speak about the laws written by man. there are more fundamental laws, the laws of the universe, and they are not comprehended by reading them from written or any other sources created by man.
          3. Vadivak
            Vadivak 21 August 2013 20: 55
            +6
            Quote: Fastblast
            I believe in God, but not in a bearded uncle in heaven, but in the law.


            Well, everything is clear.

            I believe in the legality of the existing order and the legal right of those ruling to issue orders

            Not nasty? And Jesus brought a higher law - love. What you do not understand and fear.
            1. VKabanov
              VKabanov 22 August 2013 14: 16
              -1
              So Christianly love those who parasitize on you. :)
            2. Fastblast
              Fastblast 22 August 2013 15: 16
              0
              the law of love was always, Jesus reminded him of those who forgot.

              do not drag into my posts the laws that people write.
      4. maxvik
        maxvik 21 August 2013 17: 18
        13
        Religion for a believer is, first of all, a worldview, an understanding of how the world works, what is good or bad in it. Christianity gives a very harmonious system of postulates, which is confirmed by life experience. Do you not believe that? Then probably you made up your own or took somewhere else a system. So they ask you which one?
        And I put you a minus, because you indiscriminately record all those who disagree with your statement in the ranks of fanatics. Like branding, and this is one of the types of manipulation.
  3. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 17: 28
    17
    Quote: Fastblast
    Religion is opium for the people!

    Faith, even if everyone has their own, even if invented, but when it is in itself and its own grace!
    And when the imposed and fanatical religion is evil!


    I do not think that religious fanatics have gathered here on the site. But people who hate Christianity, Orthodoxy is enough. Christianity has fundamental life values ​​for every person and believer and non-believer. You may not believe it, but living following these values ​​is easier and more correct, and living these values ​​you are different from savages who deny these values.
    1. grafrozow
      grafrozow 21 August 2013 18: 53
      +8
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      But people who hate Christianity, Orthodoxy is enough. Christianity has fundamental life values ​​for every person and believer and non-believer. You may not believe it, but living following these values ​​is easier and more correct, and by living these values ​​you are different from savages
      I.Talkov, golden domes, someone with an evil eye, was blinded ... I completely agree with you.
    2. IGS
      IGS 21 August 2013 21: 39
      +4
      They say that justice is the invention of the devil, imagine if we all received justice, the invention of God is forgiveness ... only then after I see and read ... I understand: I will soon become a notorious atheist ... the most a difficult question for many: how to maintain faith in yourself and at the same time protect, not yourself, your children from what is happening, you can’t help with prayers here ... you need red-hot iron.
      1. shpuntik
        shpuntik 21 August 2013 22: 14
        +2
        IGS RU Today, 21:39 PM ↑
        They say justice is the devil’s invention, imagine if we all received justice, God's invention is forgiveness ...

        + That's about the justice of God, a masterpiece from Fr. Dmitry Smirnov, maybe they saw, but I’ll expose, reminded me of him:
  4. Tartary
    Tartary 21 August 2013 18: 04
    16
    Quote: Fastblast
    Religion is opium for the people!
    Faith, even if everyone has their own, even if invented, but when it is in itself and its own grace!
    And when the imposed and fanatical religion is evil!


    In general, everything is so, but I will add in more detail -
    Quote: With the light hand of famous humorists, both old and young know the expression "opium for the people". It is believed that the authors of the immortal novel used Karl Marx's definition of religion. It is clear that this definition is negative, since it portrays religion as a drug intoxication with which to fight. However, with a closer analysis of the works of the founder of Marxism, we will see that the classic had something else in mind. In the introduction to his Critique of Hegel's Philosophy of Law, Marx wrote that "religion is the sigh of an oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a soulless order. Religion is the opium of the people."

    It must be remembered that in those days the perception of the word "opium" was very different from the current one. Then they meant, first of all, a medicine, an anesthetic that brings relief to the patient, albeit temporary, but relief. In the same way, religion, according to Marx, is called upon to overcome the oppression of nature and society, under which man is, to overcome his helplessness in the current conditions. Or at least create the appearance of this overcoming, because the drug does not cure the disease, but only relieves the pain ...
    Source: http://www.atheism.ru/library/verey_1.phtml
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 45
      +1
      Quote: Tartary
      In general, everything is so, but I will add in more detail

      Oh thanks, Tartary.
  5. Flooding
    Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 42
    10
    Quote: Fastblast
    Faith, even if everyone has their own, even if invented, but when it is in itself and its own grace!
    And when the imposed and fanatical religion is evil!

    That is what makes us think. This is precisely what those who unleashed the war with Christianity seek. It was with such phrases that lawlessness began in Europe.
  • Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 21 August 2013 15: 32
    +4
    People can come to an agreement, but there are others who operate with controversial dogmas and begin the Crusades and Jihad.
  • GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 21 August 2013 15: 56
    22

    Alferov Zhores Ivanovich, Soviet and Russian physicist, winner of the 2000 Nobel Prize in Physics, public and political figure, deputy of the Communist Party faction in the State Duma of the Russian Federation, atheist:






    "The army and the Orthodox faith are two pillars that, after the elimination of the conquests of the Soviet regime, will first of all be cut down by the haters of the Russian people and Russia, whose main task is to destroy our spirituality and traditions."



    ".... today we are witnessing a coordinated campaign of attacks on the Russian Orthodox Church by representatives of aggressive liberal forces. In addition, various kinds of Russophobic slop are increasingly poured from TV screens on citizens."




    "The liberal schizo will sooner or later break his head, because only people who have completely forgotten about their personal safety can constantly hit the most vulnerable place - our national identity - against the background of the privatization robbery that is taking place in the country, and flagrant social injustice.

    Apparently, once starting this anti-national sabbath, they have neither the mind nor the conscience to stop, and then, faced with the harsh reactions of society, these people will point fingers and blame someone for extremism. In fact, this aggressive liberalism - this cave-like Russophobia, blasphemy against our spiritual values ​​is the most sophisticated, the most vile extremism "



    "The present and future of Christianity, which nurtured and nurtured the European, and in many respects the entire world civilization, for millennia, turned out to be superfluous for the new masters of the world."



    "there is a powerful and cynical psychic attack on Orthodoxy"




    "Ritual murders of Orthodox priests, demonstrative desecration of our churches, insolent mockery in the media, especially on television, of the highest hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church, cheeky laughing at things that are holy for believers by those who think they are the masters of life - this is what is getting stronger and stronger. more striking in Russian reality "



    G.A. Zyuganov
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 17: 30
      17
      Zyuganov and Alferov are atheists, but even they understand the value of Christianity.
      1. alone
        alone 21 August 2013 18: 28
        -5
        how can you understand the value of religion, not believing in GOD?))
        1. Horn
          Horn 22 August 2013 06: 49
          -1
          Easy: The believer does not expect justice in this world. He is submissive, does not resist oppression, because all power is from God. The believer expects a reward for the ordeals endured during life, in the "next world", after death. It is very convenient, not in vain, Paul at one time read this matter and became an apostle after his fellow believers killed Christ.
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 22 August 2013 08: 53
            +2
            Quote: Horn
            not in vain did Paul at one time read this matter and became an apostle


            The Apostle Paul, aka Saul, a Roman citizen and commander of the punitive detachment of the Roman special forces, was beheaded by Nero's orders. "Apostolic office" is a direct path to the chopping block.

            This I mean that your ignorance does not exempt from responsibility.
            1. Horn
              Horn 22 August 2013 12: 10
              -1
              Paul changed his color into Christians, created, in fact, ersatz Christianity, which, being brought into a more or less systematized form by Origen and Co., is still used today. And the block is "production costs". Or do you mean to say that he wanted to be killed?
      2. GreatRussia
        GreatRussia 21 August 2013 18: 29
        +5
        Quote: GreatRussia
        Apparently, once starting this anti-national sabbath, they have neither the mind nor the conscience to stop, and then, faced with the harsh reactions of society, these people will point fingers and blame someone for extremism. In fact, this aggressive liberalism - this cave-like Russophobia, blasphemy against our spiritual values ​​is the most sophisticated, the most vile extremism "

    2. Anti
      Anti 21 August 2013 19: 42
      -1
      Uncle ZYu rating decided to fix himself ?? laughing
  • Flooding
    Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 39
    +8
    Quote: il grand casino
    So I’m kind of a man who believes himself ... but sometimes it’s thought that half the sorrow on earth from the opposition of religions

    It is strange that you did not see the main message of the article ...
  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 21 August 2013 15: 26
    26
    In order to defeat the EVIL, it is necessary to collect all the good, and from3.14 to heal all the bad .... there is no other way wassat
    1. makst83
      makst83 21 August 2013 15: 31
      16
      I suggest from 3,14 to rest your neighbor on the mainland!))
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 21 August 2013 16: 52
        14
        I agree!!!!! when and where is the collection !! ?? wassat
    2. R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№
      R'RёS,R ° F "RёR№ 21 August 2013 16: 46
      22
      At the end of the century
      Took and subverted
      Evil person
      Kind person.
      From a grenade launcher
      Slap him, goat!
      So, good
      Stronger than evil. -Yes right? smile
      1. terp 50
        terp 50 21 August 2013 16: 57
        +5
        ... ahaaaa ... a grenade, in your pocket, is always the most convincing argument ...
        1. Asgard
          Asgard 21 August 2013 23: 40
          +3
          Dart Weyder + Vitaliy))
          Oh guys neighing to tears ...
          Something hurt in the depths of my soul))))
          pleased the "old man" with healthy optimism ...
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 22 August 2013 11: 47
            0
            These are poems by Eugene Lukin. Highly recommend.
        2. chehywed
          chehywed 21 August 2013 23: 46
          +1
          Quote: terp 50
          ... ahaaaa ... a grenade, in your pocket, is always the most convincing argument ...

          Take care of the testicles, man. laughing
      2. chehywed
        chehywed 22 August 2013 00: 38
        +2
        Quote: Vitaliy
        So, good
        Stronger than evil. -Yes right?

        From the same series:
        Two girls, kind and angry, spat out the window at the passers-by. A kind girl got 8 times, and evil only 2, because good always defeats evil.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 August 2013 15: 30
    18
    The article makes you think ... And although a true believer will go for his faith to the end, somehow I really would not want this to become the end of Christianity, which you know, what religion is being destroyed - "the most humane, tolerant and condemning violence in any its manifestation "- in words.
    1. maxvik
      maxvik 21 August 2013 15: 49
      17
      Believing Christians know that there will be no end to Christianity. It is written in scripture.
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 16
        11
        Quote: maxvik
        Believing Christians know that there will be no end to Christianity. It is written in scripture.


        Not certainly in that way

        Matthew 24 contains very important words of Jesus Christ. The end will come only when the gospel is preached throughout the earth, to all nations (Matt. 24, 14). This means that as long as there are people on earth who are ready to hear the gospel and accept it, but so far have no such physical ability, there will be no Second Coming
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 21 August 2013 17: 33
          +1
          I am not an expert in dogmatics, but as far as I know, the "end" here means the end of material existence. Christians will exist for this moment too. "You art Peter, and on this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against her" (Matthew 16, 18).
          But besides this, any Christian connects his hopes with life after material death, which is a continuation of the church.
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 18: 26
          +4
          In fact, the word “end” in the Church Slavonic text of the Gospel of Matthew does not quite correspond to the word “end” in the modern text, since in the dictionary of Archpriest Dyakonov, the word “end” has a meaning as “death” Rom. 10: 4. and the "fruit" in 1 Peter 1: 9. That is, "Death" has a meaning as "completion - giving fruit".
          Modern Bible texts "reprint from ready-made transparencies (14.12. 92) in the printing company" Red Proletarian "RGIITS" Respublika ". Publishing house" Protestant ". While working on the Codification of the Gospel and its translation from the Church Slavonic text, I revealed several grammatical errors and the translation of the Gospels and the RBO released the Bible in 2005. The identification of the same errors in the translation of the Old Testament led to the publication of the RBO Bible in 2011.
          Matthew 24: 13. Having endured to the end, he is saved.
          14. And this Gospel is preached (Eve - life, Angel - messenger = message of life) of the Kingdom throughout the entire universe (from "settling or settling"), as a testimony to all nations. And then the Completion will come - bearing its own fruit.
          1 Peter 1: 8. ... rejoice at the joy of unspoken and glorified,
          9. accepting the completion - bearing the fruit of your faith.
          Rome: 10: 4. For the completion of the Law of Christ is in truth to every believer.
          This is our attitude when not our ancient Church Slavonic word prevails in the modern Bible, but the opinion of a European translation.
          By the way: the word "Preached" was absent in the Military Review dictionary before me, and was highlighted in red as an error.
          1. radio operator
            radio operator 21 August 2013 18: 47
            +8
            Quote: shasherin_pavel
            This is our attitude when not our ancient Church Slavonic word prevails in the modern Bible, but the opinion of a European translation.

            The Russian Orthodox Church uses the canonical text translated from Greek. Those. as close as possible to the source.
            And Europeans find many "mistakes" in the Gospel. Every Protestant has his own version of Holy Scripture. In the last "versions" of their scripture, it is said that love for one's neighbor means Sodomite lust, no more, no less.
            Save us from such "modern" translations.
            1. shasherin_pavel
              shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 20: 37
              +1
              I have not seen a single Orthodox priest who would preach according to the Church Slavonic text. Everyone speaks according to the communist translation of 63 and 67 years, which have a difference in the Gospels: if in the publishing house 63 years in the scene of the baptism of Jesus Christ "This is my beloved Son", then in 67 g. "This is my beloved Son" and further, on grief of the Transfiguration "This is My Beloved Son" in 63 AD and "This is My Beloved Son", although there are footnotes to parallel texts both there and there. These are the simplest mistakes in the text not related to translation. Or do you think that the Russian Bible Society just so agreed with me and corrected the text of the Bible in 2005 and 2011. I have 14 years of work on the Bible. "The Revelations of the Biblical Texts", where I predicted: "That the worst earthquake could be off the northern coast of Japan." "Codification of the Gospel" where I have combined all four Gospels in chronological order. And I work according to the Church Slavonic text, and not according to the European
              So I'm not a European, but Russian, which reveals the mistakes of the publication of the Communists.
    2. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 16: 06
      15
      Quote: Stiletto
      And although a true believer will go for his faith to the end

      Here is the answer.
      First, g.i.k.i. and p.e.c.i.k. and discredit the Catholic Church, and all true believers simply do not understand what to do next if supporters of “leaky love” are registered in your parish. And then the doubters are given an "indulgence" for the sodomite sin (this is how EVERYONE does it!). As a result, we see the peaceful surrender of Catholicism to a crowd of perverts sponsored, and urged on, and forced to sin by the authorities.
      Paragraph.
      Even Nostradamus did not dream of this.
      1. Andrey312
        Andrey312 21 August 2013 17: 00
        +1
        The Orthodox Church also has enough defamatory factors like drunken priests on representative cars, magical building dust that causes multimillion-dollar damage or mutual gift at the recommended price in CSU. I do not think that such facts attract new followers to the Church ....
        1. Ruslan_F38
          Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 17: 19
          10
          Quote: Andrey312
          The Orthodox Church also has enough defamatory factors like drunken priests on representative cars, magical building dust that causes multimillion-dollar damage or mutual gift at the recommended price in CSU. I do not think that such facts attract new followers to the Church ....

          These are single manifestations by which it is impossible to judge all believers and religion itself. In your opinion, Christians deserve all those horrors that are described in the article, only because the scanty part of the representatives of the Russian Orthodox Church behaves inappropriately?
          1. Andrey312
            Andrey312 21 August 2013 17: 27
            +2
            Do not distort. Neither Christians nor any other people deserve these horrors. I do not judge by these manifestations about all believers and religion itself. And I do not urge to do this. I just mentioned that we also have black sheep, and they greatly undermine the image of the Church.
            1. Ruslan_F38
              Ruslan_F38 21 August 2013 18: 02
              +5
              I guess I misunderstood you. There are of course, but there are only a few of them, next time do not forget to mention this, so that those reading your comments would not have the wrong, negative opinion about Christianity and Christians. hi
            2. annenkov242
              annenkov242 21 August 2013 18: 05
              +5
              GOD, there is no scolding! Think and don't get excited.
          2. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 18: 35
            +3
            "Scanty" but this is the "Ruling or Controlling" part, since a drunken priest driving a car on the periphery is of no interest to anyone, if he does not threaten the traffic inspector with "anathema". And public people from the Russian Orthodox Church preaching from a blue screen, and fleeing from the scene of the accident in foreign cars worth millions of rubles is a sin that falls on the entire church. The damage to the entire Christian faith is not measurable by any money.
            1. Andrey312
              Andrey312 21 August 2013 21: 26
              +1
              Here I am about it. 99% of priests can be the smartest, most honest and decent people, but a person looking at what individual church representatives are doing will not come close to the temple and take up the Bible.
        2. alone
          alone 21 August 2013 21: 47
          +4
          miserable priests, rabbis and mullahs have enough for everyone. Not one religion is safe from this.
  • Voskepar
    Voskepar 21 August 2013 15: 35
    +4
    Silently put the video (((((

  • radio operator
    radio operator 21 August 2013 15: 45
    23
    Yes, one of the last bastions of Christianity is Russia.
    Thanks to the Russian Orthodox Church. In us, the spirit of Christ is still alive. Still have the strength to resist.
    However, liberalism of all stripes and Wahhabis actively smear the Russian Orthodox Church with jam.
  • polly
    polly 21 August 2013 15: 45
    22
    Satan is advancing, and Russia is again at the forefront. The obscurantism of asexual militant homosexuals will choke on Russian soil! It’s only a pity for the children of the innocent who have already fallen into this moloch ... (photo clickable)
  • Rus86
    Rus86 21 August 2013 15: 46
    +6
    it's scary. although there are Strong personalities against the background of the so-called elite (I want to believe in it), such homopaedies are very dangerous for our country.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 21 August 2013 15: 58
    22
    About Orthodox Russia Blue West will break teeth. It is necessary to strengthen our faith in God, and then with God's help Holy Russia will be reborn in its former greatness and power. Glory to God and the Mother of God - the Intercessor of the Russian people!
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 21 August 2013 16: 10
      19
      Quote: Vtel
      About Orthodox Russia Blue West will break teeth

      Will break if our faith is unshakable.
      Not so important as we have Christian haters, the strength of faith of the Orthodox part of Russia is important.
      Sodom was destroyed not only because there were sinners, but also because there were not 10 righteous people there either.
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 18: 42
        +3
        But one of the cities destined for the same fate was pardoned, only because Lot went precisely to this city. One righteous saved the whole city.
        1. radio operator
          radio operator 22 August 2013 08: 15
          +2
          Quote: shasherin_pavel
          But one of the cities destined for the same fate was pardoned, only because Lot went precisely to this city. One righteous saved the whole city.

          Yes, Nineveh was saved by hearing the Righteous Lot, when everyone, including the king, repented of their sins. For three days they ate nothing, dressed in rags and sprinkled ashes on their heads. Only Lot, still expecting the overthrow of Nineveh, was sure that they would not hear him.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 18: 41
      +3
      Is it possible to correct the text, where Orthodox Russia and "Blue West" are capitalized, as meaning the holiness of God. Well at least Blue Bum didn't write with a capital letter.
  • falcon
    falcon 21 August 2013 16: 02
    17
    This is the mission of Russia - to confront all that filth that comes from the West.
  • 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 08
    16
    In general, the article is largely true. Here are just a card in general.
    Russia and Belarus with Kazakhstan are singled out, what are our repressions of Christians? China, where the majority of the inhabitants are atheists, the share of Christians has exceeded 300 million, a year Christianity takes more than 5 million, the pace of church construction is faster than the construction of mosques in Saud. arabia. In India, the same picture, the Christians there is the 2nd religious group, Myanmar is inhabited mainly by Buddhists. And what kind of lyada do Venezuela, Colombia and Bolivia do there? These countries are Christian in general. We also managed to single out Armenia, but they give logs (the map is Polish.
    1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
      GELEZNII_KAPUT 21 August 2013 19: 55
      +1
      they simply apparently emphasized Catholicism, but it may not be violated by us, but it is also not welcome! hi
  • Djozz
    Djozz 21 August 2013 16: 15
    18
    If the Bible was banned in Uzbekistan, I suggest that Uzbeks not be hired or reported to the FMS.
    1. Andrey312
      Andrey312 21 August 2013 17: 22
      +3
      And where is the reaction of the Russian Orthodox Church to this? I have not heard. Already on whom, but in Uzbekistan you can influence ....
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 21 August 2013 17: 49
        +6
        And this is just the case that clearly shows that popular Orthodoxy is not at all what the official church is.
        The official Russian Orthodox Church, or rather, its elite, has long become a department of the Russian government and serves primarily the political interests of the ruling class, using the opportunity to influence people.
        ... While the anti-people policy is being pursued at the highest level, the ROC is also forced to support this policy. And where it is impossible to hide it, theses like "patience, humility and fortitude", "any power from God", etc., are pulled out ...
    2. VKabanov
      VKabanov 22 August 2013 14: 34
      0
      The only post from the entire branch with practically applicable content.
  • slava7075
    slava7075 21 August 2013 16: 20
    14
    Faith enables a person to be an individual. Satan wants to erase it in every way. The European Union erased the borders of national states. Then the cult of the family is killed. Sexual symptoms are erased. NUMBERED AND EVERYTHING !!! Without a NAME, without a FLOOR, without a NATIONALITY, a creature is ready to make everything it wants out of it. No longer does man belong to God.
  • Alex66
    Alex66 21 August 2013 16: 21
    14
    The worst thing is that our elite is rushing around and does not know what to do, following its own direct path either to the right, to the west with tolerasts, or to the left to the east, or else where it’s not easy to bring them. Like 1000 years ago, Russia, its elite, chooses its faith, and in all probability the fate of not only the people of Russia, but also the world (the rest chose it), and this choice will swing the scales of history. Signs of what choice Russia will make are pre-prepared by a lot of lies within the country, and in order to go on the right path the truth is needed, but it is not convenient, not tolerant, and leaves no way to justify. The USSR developed and mastered the cosmos at the expense of people's faith in the correctness of the ideas of the Communist Party and fell apart after people realized that the party was not responsibility but the way to the feeding trough, that you could say one thing and do the other.
    1. soldier's grandson
      soldier's grandson 21 August 2013 16: 29
      10
      our elite has long been "playing naughty", and in our native USSR, the iron curtain protected us from Western pederasty and drugs
      1. Horn
        Horn 22 August 2013 06: 57
        +1
        The elite is concentrate, gold. She does not swim on top. And what you call the elite is not even chocolate, though brown ...
    2. radio operator
      radio operator 21 August 2013 16: 44
      10
      Quote: Alex66
      The worst thing is that our elite is rushing around and does not know what to do, following its own direct path either to the right, to the west with tolerasts, or to the left to the east, or else where it’s not easy to bring them. How 1000 years ago, Russia, its elite, chooses its faith and in all probability the fate of not only the people of Russia, but also the world


      “Neither Russia, nor the people!” Shatov shouted, flashing his eyes. “You cannot love what you don’t know, but they didn’t understand anything about the Russian people! All of them, and you, together with them, turned a blind eye to the Russian people, and Especially Belinsky; you can see this from that very letter to Gogol.Belinsky, just like Krylova the Curious, did not notice the elephant in the Cabinet of Curiosities, but focused his entire attention on the French social bugs *; and he ended up on them. Perhaps he was still smarter than all of you! Not only did you overlook the people, but you treated him with disgusting contempt, only because under the people you imagined only the French people, and even then only the Parisians, and were ashamed that the Russian people are not like that. And this is the naked truth! And whoever does not have a people, that does not have a God! Know for sure that all those who cease to understand their people and lose their ties with them, immediately, in proportion, they also lose their paternal faith, become either atheists or indifferent. which will come true. That is why you and all of us are now either vile atheists, or indifferent, depraved rubbish, and nothing more! "
      F.M.Dostoevsky "Demons"
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 August 2013 17: 04
      10
      Quote: Alex66
      The worst thing is that our elite


      Our elite is not what you write about. Our Elite is academics, engineers, writers, workers, and the fact that you mentioned foam, or that does not sink, as you like.
  • Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 21 August 2013 16: 25
    11
    You can't just fence off the grotesters in the West, when they win there, and they have almost won, they will seriously take up Russia, again our country will get in the way of the next "devilish legions" of perverts who want to "civilize" "backward" Russia. here and there you can hear that they say, let these grotesters of yours, just let them not climb with their ideas, but that was how it was in the West, a little by little, a critical mass has accumulated, which now dictates its will.
  • individual
    individual 21 August 2013 16: 38
    12
    It's time to build the Great Wall of the Section of Civilizations.
    Who is for the Pope, Mom and a full-fledged family to us!
    Who is for n ** orasts and various pussi rion - for the wall in the hell of their sodomy! fellow
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 21 August 2013 16: 46
    +2
    The Bible is best quoted carefully. And then, God forbid, they will begin to read it and discover the following:
    "Recently, a well-known radio host spoke out that homosexuality is a perversion:" It is said in the Bible, in the third book of Moses, Leviticus, chapter 18. "A few days later, this radio department received an open letter from one of the radio listeners:" Thank you for your concern in educating people The law of God. I learned a lot by listening to your program, and I always share the knowledge I have gained with the people around me. But I still have some questions about several Bible laws and I need your help to interpret them correctly. For example, I would like to sell my daughter into slavery as indicated in Exodus chapter 21 verse 7. In your opinion, what price can I charge for her? In the same book of Leviticus, chapter 25, verse 44, it is said that if I want to have slaves, I must buy them from the neighboring nations. My friend says this only applies to Mexicans and not Canadians. Could you clarify this verse for me? Why can't I have Canadian slaves? I also know that I should not touch any woman if she is menstruating, as stated in Leviticus, chapter 18, verse 19. How do I know if she is menstruating? I tried several times to ask my friends about it directly, but for some reason they were all offended.
    I have a neighbor who continues to work on Saturdays. Exodus, chapter 35, verse 2, clearly states that such a person must be put to death. Am I obligated to kill him myself? Could you spare me this delicate duty? Yes, also: Leviticus, chapter 21, verse 18, says that one should not approach the sanctuary for those who have vision problems. I use glasses when reading. Does my vision have to be absolutely? Can this requirement be underestimated somewhat? Last question. My uncle does not at all respect what is said in Leviticus, chapter 19, verse 19, planting two different kinds of seeds in his yard. So is his
    a wife who dresses in clothes made of mixed threads, namely cotton and nylon. And it also happens to my uncle to slander. So tell me, should we complete this whole rather laborious procedure in its entirety, namely, to gather all the inhabitants of our town and throw stones at our uncle and aunt, as it is said in Leviticus, chapter 24, verse 14? Maybe we could just burn them alive in a quiet family circle (Leviticus chapter 20 verse 14)? Looking forward to your response. Thank you again for reminding us that the word of God is eternal and unchanging. Only this way and not otherwise. "
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 August 2013 16: 52
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      Quote: Fastblast
      I have a neighbor who continues to work on Saturdays. Exodus, chapter 35, verse 2, clearly states that such a person must be put to death. Am I obligated to kill him myself?


      I see an article that has hooked you; otherwise, why should you distort and quote the Old Testament when it comes to Christians.
      Do not want to believe in God who forbids abominations, please join the European freedom
      1. Fastblast
        Fastblast 21 August 2013 17: 14
        +6
        I believe in God, but I feel an aversion to religion, and especially to those people to whom this religion has replaced their brains and deprived of their own thoughts.

        And this applies not only to Christianity.

        Look at the same Islamists, zombie fanatics, the sacrifices of the Aztecs and Incas, remember the Crusades, the witch hunt and the baptism of Russia.

        No, religion is not for me.
        1. maxvik
          maxvik 21 August 2013 18: 13
          +4
          Dear Fastblast (1), You say that you believe in God and so hate and condemn other people. For example, for a Christian it is a sin. Therefore, I don’t understand what god you believe in, but you don’t want to explain.
        2. shasherin_pavel
          shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 09
          +6
          Quote: Fastblast
          I believe in God,

          Quote: Fastblast
          No, religion is not for me.

          Complete Church Slavonic Dictionary of Archpriest Dyachenko:
          p. 547. Religion - (lat.religio? from religo - I connect) = actually the moral connection of a person with God, reverence or reverence for God.
          That’s what it means to be left alone in faith — a complete mess in your head, and then what is faith in God, if worship is not for you? Not the ability to distinguish religion from faith, faith from the work of priests, to distinguish between simply working in the church and true believers. And there’s nothing wrong with working in the church, because the Apostles also singled out from their midst (here we had in mind the Companions of Christ, whom, after the Sermon on the Mount, sent two of them to the 35 cities of Judea, which he wanted to visit during his last trip to Jerusalem ) deacons who were supposed to carry out chores in the community.
        3. Flooding
          Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 54
          +7
          Quote: Fastblast
          I believe in God, but I feel an aversion to religion, and especially to those people to whom this religion has replaced their brains and deprived of their own thoughts ...
          No religion is not for me

          Nobody imposes it on you. But have respect for believers.
          And have respect for those sufferers whose photos were seen in the article.
          If you believe in God, be careful not to act like that.
        4. Vadivak
          Vadivak 21 August 2013 20: 56
          +7
          Quote: Fastblast
          I believe in God, but am disgusted with religion and


          To whom the church is not a mother, God is not a father
        5. Vadivak
          Vadivak 22 August 2013 09: 11
          +2
          Quote: Fastblast
          Look at the same Islamists, zombie fanatics, the sacrifices of the Aztecs and Incas,


          Get away from the topic of what Christians and cannibals have in common?

          Quote: Fastblast
          remember the crusades, the witch hunt


          Again juggling, what does Orthodoxy have to do with it?

          Quote: Fastblast
          Baptism of Russia.


          Which one? Read the Ioakim Chronicle, the Khazar winner and organizer of the campaign on Constantinople Askold was baptized voluntarily, and it was he who was the first Christian martyr of Russia

          Although what I mean.
    2. terp 50
      terp 50 21 August 2013 17: 15
      0
      drinks laughing ...sumptuously! Sarcasm and humor are always "ahead of the rest" ... Although some people lack this - completely
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 18: 54
      +3
      The Old Testament must be read as the story of the faith and genealogy of Christ, but for the Law there is the New Testament. Indeed, without knowledge of how they lived before Christ, it is not possible to fully understand the full significance of the coming of the Son of God with the new Law of Eternal Life.
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 21 August 2013 16: 47
    +1
    It’s not a religion, but a man!
    In a person who either kills himself or transcends others, hiding behind the holy scriptures and the illiteracy of people.
    These same people are in the ranks of the clergy of any faith.
    I think there are no bad religions, no bad people! There are people who commit meanness and nastiness under the guise of fake national interests and manipulations of the scriptures!
    And as a rule, these people are very good speakers and competent politicians (our government would learn from them).
  • starhina01
    starhina01 21 August 2013 16: 55
    +7
    ARTICLE + there is something to ponder what
  • Trapperxnumx
    Trapperxnumx 21 August 2013 16: 59
    12
    It should be noted that on Orthodox Christmas Day (January 7), in some countries of the West, people began to celebrate holidays rooted in pagan cults and superstitions, such as worship of the Magi, the witch Befana (in Italy), etc. In recent years, this occult-pagan affliction has been openly promoted.

    Does anyone make one think of an analogy with the craving for Slavic paganism that flared up in Russia too?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 21 August 2013 17: 12
      11
      Quote: Trapper7
      Does anyone make one think of an analogy with the craving for Slavic paganism that flared up in Russia too?


      It has long been understood that neopaganism is a postmodern product that has absolutely nothing to do with the authentic beliefs of the Aryans. It began to develop after the collapse of the country, when all the foreign turbidity poured here, but since the country is not completely collapsed, it is knocked down by all methods, including this
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 12
        +6
        Quote: Trapper7
        Does anyone make one think of an analogy with the craving for Slavic paganism that flared up in Russia too?


        The craving for paganism in Russia, in my opinion, has slightly different roots than those you are hinting at (as it seemed to me). For a long time we lived in the framework of the official ideology and official religion, and official history. It is unlikely that anyone will dispute the fact that history (in particular, the history of Russia) is more multifaceted, colorful and interesting than the one we knew.
        Interest in the pre-Christian history of Russia is the root of Russian neopaganism. This is partly a return to those roots that have been officially forgotten long ago for the sake of one state religion, but continue to live in the subconscious of humanity.
        Respecting Orthodoxy and Christianity in general, I cannot but note a few points, namely:
        1. Those who enumerate the history of Russia from the moment of its baptism are mistaken and attribute all achievements and the spirit of the Russian people to Christianity.
        2. Even in our present Orthodoxy, a huge number of Russian pagan rites and beliefs are preserved that classical Christianization could not break and was forced to absorb.
        3. The more the top of the official church is "exposed" to criticism (drunken priests, Breguet cars, foreign cars, kissing with the authorities, etc., we will not repeat ourselves), the more sane people arise and grow doubts about whether the official church is going the right way , and does it not break away from the people, from true Orthodoxy. The more interest is in alternative Russian history, in pre-Christian roots.

        After many centuries and persecutions from the side of the official church, we do not recognize the true image of Russian Vedism (paganism - anyone you like). Therefore, he finds a somewhat epic, idealized image. And the more falsehood and chernukha we see in the current official religion, the more attractive, cleaner and more romantic for us will be the pre-Christian paganism of Russia.

        I repeat - with all due respect to the Russian Orthodox Church, I don’t see anything bad and destructive in my interest in pre-Christian history and the beliefs of Russians!
        1. Furnace driver
          Furnace driver 21 August 2013 19: 43
          +1
          Quote: vadimN
          I repeat - with all due respect to the Russian Orthodox Church, I don’t see anything bad and destructive in my interest in pre-Christian history and the beliefs of Russians!

          It is true that we are not the barbarians that the West civilizes, we Gardarika (the country of cities) is a great country, as the Arabs of the 6th-9th centuries write ...
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 21 August 2013 19: 56
          +4
          Quote: vadimN
          The more the top of the official church is "exposed" to criticism (drunken priests, Breguet, foreign cars, kissing with the authorities, etc., we will not repeat ourselves), the more sane people begin to doubt whether the official church is going the right way, and does it not break away from the people, from true Orthodoxy.

          But this, to put it mildly, is biased.
          In the same way, one can say that the more apologists gain neopaganism, the more sane people turn their eyes to the faith of their great-grandfathers - Orthodoxy.

          Catch a nuance?
    2. Andrey312
      Andrey312 21 August 2013 17: 13
      +1
      Where's the craving? Only about the ban of Neptune at the bottom of the Navy heard ...
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: Andrey312
        Only about the ban of Neptune at the bottom of the Navy heard ...


        But this is generally insanity. However, there was no official confirmation of the rumor. Isn't it a duck called to dunk the official church in the mud?

        But, if this is true, then the current rulers of the Russian Orthodox Church confidently embarked on the path of insane Islamists who destroy historical monuments only because they are not Muslim. I would not want this to be so ...
        1. Andrey312
          Andrey312 21 August 2013 21: 15
          0
          http://www.rusnovosti.ru/news/270758/

          Yeah ... He throws Russia from side to side, then for 70 years we have been proving with foam at the mouth that there is no God, and now with no less enthusiasm we are turning the people to faith in such a senile way. It remains to ban a woman-yaga with Santa Claus .... and the New Year .... what kind of holiday is this?
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 22 August 2013 00: 11
            0
            Quote: Andrey312
            He throws Russia from side to side, then for 70 years we have been proving with foam at the mouth that there is no God, and now with no less enthusiasm we are turning the people to faith in such a senile way.

            I don't know about Russia, but look - here in Ukraine - all the oligarchs are such believers! And just in case, on holidays, they will visit the Russian Orthodox Church, and they will be celebrated in the Kiev Patriarchate, and now a new Uniate temple was opened - and they were there, well, they will come to the Pope of Rome - they will receive a blessing, and they will press against the Wailing Wall (Julia is a vivid example) does not prevent them from robbing the people and continuing to steal from the country! After this, people begin to think: "Where is God, if this allows?" Hence the attempts to go into other beliefs. Well, if we talk about Orthodoxy, then paganism is essentially older than it in our land, and it is different than in the same Europe. And the leaders of the church acted wisely in their time, combining pagan holidays with Christian ones. The transition went smoothly. However, if now the Orthodox Church LOUDLY and WITH THE INDICATION OF SURNAMES, WOULD CHECK THE OLIGARCHS who have gone into trouble, she would have received much more adherents. Yes, and their consciences would wake up. IMHO
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 22 August 2013 00: 16
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              I don’t know how Russia is, but look - here in Ukraine, all oligarchs are such believers! And just in case, they will visit the Russian Orthodox Church on holidays, and they will be noted in the Kiev Patriarchate, and here they opened a new Uniate temple - and they visited it, well, they will come to the Pope - they will receive a blessing, and they will cling to the Wailing Wall


              Good night Elena. hi And in Russia and Azerbaijan, the same thing, one to one, the only difference is that we go to mosques. The oligarchs have one God-money, $.
  • stroporez
    stroporez 21 August 2013 17: 04
    +3
    insanity grows stronger ........ but how do you like this ----- "... Two Cossacks on horseback and with a rainbow flag have become a new symbol of the Zaporizhzhya gay movement" Sich ". Reporter reports this. .. " wassat
    I wonder how the Cossacks themselves would react to such a "innovation"
    1. il grand casino
      il grand casino 21 August 2013 17: 14
      +2
      There would be Cossacks, there would be no such symbols)))
      1. shasherin_pavel
        shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 24
        +5
        This is about what "Cossacks" are we talking about? About those whose atrocities Catherine II could not stand and defeated them. Or about those who then crossed over to the Rzeczpospolita? Or about those who served in Turkey and fought against Russia? By the way; Janissaries were children of Christians living in the Ottoman Empire, who were taken away from their parents after seven years according to the "Christian quitrent" and they were brought up in a janissary regiment. Maybe some of them were the children of the Cossacks?
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 17
      +3
      The professor talks about Roman legionnaires and mentions that legionnaires often "loved" each other ...
      “Tell the professor,” the student says, “so the legionnaires were homosexual?”
      “Dear student, the legionnaires were active buggers, and God forbid you to meet with them.”
  • Andrey312
    Andrey312 21 August 2013 17: 05
    0
    The persecution of Christians in all sorts of Nigeria and Tanzania is nothing more than an excuse for one part of the population to kill-rob another part. And all this comes from the stupidity and lack of education and laziness of the locals, with the direct connivance of the local elites .... they also need to find the guilty of why they have such a shitty life ... there would be no religion - they would come up with something else, like skull shape or eye color.
  • voda-sochi
    voda-sochi 21 August 2013 17: 13
    14
    How simply and ingeniously the Creator conceived everything ...
    There are worldwide laws. They are physical and spiritual.
    Physical is, for example, the law of gravity: do not jump from the fifth floor - you will break it. Do not go into the fire - burn, etc.
    Spiritual laws are as follows: do not commit adultery - destroy a family, or do not kill - you go to jail, bring grief to your relatives and destroy your soul. Etc.
    And the Lord said: "Whoever wants to follow Me, deny yourself, and take up your cross, and follow Me" (Mark 8:34). And he also said: "He who endures to the end will be saved."
    So Russia must sacredly keep the Orthodox faith.
    Otherwise we will die. For it is said: "Every
    a tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and
    thrown into the fire "... So soon it will be with the European peoples for their deeds. So it will be with us, if we are tempted.
    Praise God that the Mother of God (the Orthodox know) promised to preserve Russia with her cover.
  • voda-sochi
    voda-sochi 21 August 2013 17: 15
    +7
    Still creepy and scary is that everything comes true 1 in 1 as it is written in the New Testament. Who read - they know it and see. Very scary. The last times.
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 33
      +2
      Moreover, the abdication of Pope Benedict is described in the Apocalypse. But I must be glad that according to the Church Slavonic text, the next one after Benedict is called the Lamb of God, who through resistance to him, but will triumph. The modern text has been changed for the worse.
      1. Trapperxnumx
        Trapperxnumx 22 August 2013 13: 14
        +1
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        Moreover, the abdication of Pope Benedict is described in the Apocalypse.

        Can you give more details?
  • mithridate
    mithridate 21 August 2013 17: 15
    +6
    it's time to start the counterpropaganda before things get too far
  • andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 August 2013 17: 33
    +3
    well. although Christianity was instilled bloodyly enough in our ancestors, many generations have defended Orthodoxy with a sword in their hand. to see, and it’s time for us to take up machine guns.
    PS will they give out a machine gun at the military enlistment office?
    1. starhina01
      starhina01 21 August 2013 17: 44
      +3
      in the grandfather’s village, I think from the second world war in the closet something left bully and buy inappropriately soldier
      1. bomg.77
        bomg.77 21 August 2013 21: 18
        +1
        Quote: starhina01
        in the village of my grandfather, I think from the second world war in the closet that there’s something left and there’s no need to buy
        The barn dismantled the old one, and there the four-sided bayonet (in my opinion it's French)
        ! 1887 barn. So I think maybe digging there?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 17: 41
    18
    I was born and brought up in the USSR. And I was fighting religion at that time .. I remember my grandmother always secretly baptizing whispers something .. (I chuckled though in my heart something always went awry) .. So here's what .. I was baptized in mature age in 2000 I just noticed that when walking or driving past churches of Orthodox churches I always looked at them (not because they are beautiful), it just came from the depths of my soul .. unconsciously, as if .. I do not consider myself a deeply religious person, but still Probably the 1000th anniversary of the baptism of Russia makes itself felt .. I love Russia (good or bad). I just know I feel that without Orthodoxy will not be Russia (if only one geographical name) .. And not for nothing now there are these malicious attacks on RPTs..anglosaksy calculated where gnaw core of the Russian nation ..Budte vigilant Slavs !!
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 21: 13
      +6
      In 73, I was the secretary of the Komsomol school organization. Returning from vacation, he told how he went to the Orthodox Church in Toropets. There, the priest during the divine service used colored illumination during the sermon, it looked great when he raised the tone - it was highlighted in red and the cassock turned blood red, when he spoke about God it was highlighted in blue and the cassock became sky blue. I examined the three walls in front of me, but I don't see the one above the entrance. Slowly, little by little, I move into the middle of the hall and look at the priest, I didn't baptize my forehead. And he looks at me and smiles with his eyes, and when I was distracted by the icons above the entrance, I heard, "Now let us kneel down and pray." And everyone in the church starts to kneel. I squat down to the exit, hiding behind the backs of the believers. At the entrance I looked back and I see the priest smiling looking at me. That's about what I told at school. They called me to the director and fist on the table "breakpoint". "How could you ... the church is opium for the people ... you are the secretary of the Komsomol ... Look, put the ticket on the table!" I get the ticket and on the table. "On those! Maybe you will throw Sergius of Radonezh out of history? Monk Oslyabyu and Peresvet? Alexander Nevsky ..." and so on. At that time I was well-versed in the history of Russia and loved history, and the other reason was personal. And that's all. Take your ticket back, why get excited? Then I already knew the chairman of the collective farm, a communist, who did not miss a single prayer service and even helped with money to repair the church. They tried to suppress him in the regional committee, but he answered in such a way, in a village way, that this issue was not raised anymore. The believer in hiding is the one who is ashamed of Christ. I never spoke out against believers, but said: I can't understand how Christ could heal people from diseases without touching them? Maybe that's why the Lord cured me of radiation after the Chernobyl nuclear power plant. And he rewarded the gift of treating people "without touching them" for radiation and cancer. Unfortunately, and this is true, when militants stopped a bus with Christian pilgrims in the Chechen company, they took off the crosses and threw them into the ditch. So compare the attitude of Muslims to Allah and Russians to Orthodoxy. Kadyrov gathered the elders from them and spoke through them! not ordered! and he said: remove all illegal garbage dumps, and in two days not a single dump. In the courtyards, pits were dug and buried, but in two days Chechnya was cleared. And who can show me a place in Russia where you can relax in nature without lying on the trash? Smoking in the stairwell is a public place. Throw rubbish past the container. Drink vodka at school and kindergartens. Holy Russia!
      1. radio operator
        radio operator 23 August 2013 09: 44
        0
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        Unfortunately, it is true that when the militants stopped the bus with Christian pilgrims to the Chechen company, they all took off their crosses and threw them into the ditch. So compare the attitude of Muslims to Allah and Russians to Orthodoxy.

        Unfortunately, we have to state this.
        But there is an example of a captive Yevgeny Rodionov, who was beheaded by the militants, for refusing to simply remove the pectoral cross.
      2. radio operator
        radio operator 23 August 2013 10: 26
        0
        Quote: shasherin_pavel
        Unfortunately, it is true that when the militants stopped the bus with Christian pilgrims to the Chechen company, they all took off their crosses and threw them into the ditch. So compare the attitude of Muslims to Allah and Russians to Orthodoxy.

  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 21 August 2013 17: 44
    +6
    The West has long considered itself a stronghold of Christianity. Including in the fight against godless communists. Since they are starting to give up this role, we need to take the initiative in our own hands. There is no one besides us. soldier
  • voda-sochi
    voda-sochi 21 August 2013 17: 53
    +5
    Exactly. Without Orthodox faith there will be no Russia. This weapon is especially hated by the enemy of the human race. Under Elder Nikolai Guryanov, there was one demon-possessed woman. So she just shouted: "I hate the Orthodox. The most disgusting religion."
    Still, thank God that He gave us Putin. And such a good time in Russia. Like now. Even the temples are being built. Miracle. After 70 years of godlessness. But for how long ...
    1. radio operator
      radio operator 23 August 2013 10: 33
      0
      Quote: voda-sochi
      Still, thank God that He gave us Putin. And such a good time in Russia. Like now. Even the temples are being built. Miracle. After 70 years of godlessness. But for how long ...

      Seraphim of Sarov had something similar: "... Orthodoxy will return to Russia, after the godless century, but not for long ..."
      But the prophecies by the prophecies, and only for that the Orthodox Faith was given to us to follow it.
      We will believe and follow the Holy Gospel - we will stand.
      It all depends on you and us, and people like us. But you should ask first from yourself.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 August 2013 18: 01
    -3
    Well, just some kind of Apocalypse. Only one thing is strange, why is the author so indignant? if all that he writes is truth, is it pleasing to God, or is he unsatisfied with how God controls the fate of the parishioners of the Christian church? The author would have liked it very much if the Middle Ages were returned, when it would be dangerous to say and even think that there was no God.
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 21: 22
      +1
      But how can God decide who is worthy to be with Him on the day of the Resurrection of the First? Remember the ancient prophet Job, from Genesis chap. 36. King Joab is Job. What did Job go through while remaining faithful to God? I wish all our mothers gave birth before birth pains.
      Does the Apocalypse and the Gospel not say that it is necessary to endure torment and persecution and execution?
  • voda-sochi
    voda-sochi 21 August 2013 18: 16
    10
    No, God does not like the lawlessness that is happening in the world. He simply is patient. He gave each person time - our life. This is the time for the correction and remission of sins. This is what God is waiting for. The author only bitterly pointed out that the world is heading for doom. Because everything that is immoral is self-destructing.
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    1. Flooding
      Flooding 21 August 2013 20: 47
      +5
      Quote: Hauptam
      And in business, as always, either you or you.

      That's right. And quite in the spirit of your avatar.
    2. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 21: 35
      +2
      Christianity is the religion of God's servants! Hit me on the right cheek and break your hand, and then I will break your second hand, because it is God's will, and from Her all power over the pederasts who do not know God and do not honor Him. The apostle Paul cursed his companion and disciple Alexander, having written about it twice, excommunicated him for the devil, because he left Christianity and joined the Gentiles. Read the New Testament and Acts carefully and you will understand that God will not punish me for the soul that you destroyed in yourself and prepared for the fiery hyena. A business slave means a fear slave for your dollars. The ruling elite has changed the understanding of the word of God to make us submissive to fate and those in power. But obeying earthly authority, which is merciful to pederasts and murderers, I put for myself above all the Power of God, which shortens the years of such adulterers.
  • 123tank
    123tank 21 August 2013 18: 40
    +6
    Listen, this is terrible. We need to confront.
    1. Hauptam
      Hauptam 21 August 2013 18: 42
      0
      Do you know how !?
  • Aryan
    Aryan 21 August 2013 18: 46
    0
    Quote: makst83
    The ghosts of Sodom and Gomorrah are walking the planet! It's time to get rid of the square! And we can accept Christians persecuted from Europe for permanent residence - this is much better than guests from sunny Asia.


    and why do you need crowds of saints and witnesses in the city?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 18: 51
    11
    There are 10 commandments of Christ that are simple and understandable .. (similar is in other religions of the world) While most of the planet’s population observes (tries) we will be alive .. (but there are fewer of them) .. Now many people feel anxiety in their hearts that something it’s wrong in the world (in spiritual and moral terms) All countries are arming themselves heavily against external enemies .. And the main enemy in the soul has been attacking for a long time .. everyone .. (anger hatred cynicism, thirst for profit adultery ..) .. There is a huge stream negative information is everywhere ... I’m here on the forum sometimes I rest my soul sang to the site ..and if we judge by the people, even here in the forum Russian zhiva..i our souls are clean !!
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 21 August 2013 18: 56
    +3
    Apparently, not much was left before the arrival of the Antichrist. Ugh!
    1. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 21: 44
      +3
      The revelations of John the Theologian say that the Antichrist will be for those who put on their foreheads and hands the image, name and number of the name of the devil. Those who carry the image of God in themselves will be protected from this. How can this happen? you ask. If something like that in Europe does not pass in the minds of our rulers, then there will be Europe with images of "pederasia" and Russia protected from all this. After all, the Apocalypse was written for the whole planet, and not for Russia alone. But how many Russians will stand up to defend Christianity? Fifteen percent of those who go to church three times a year, or two percent of those who attend each service?
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 19: 22
    +4
    Quote: JIaIIoTb
    Apparently, not much was left before the arrival of the Antichrist. Ugh!

    Russia has already broken the back of more than one Antichrist ... for its history ... And this time we will master it (I would like it with little blood) .. The whole world begins to plunge into a "controlled house" .. We will pull them into this house !!! already... wassat
  • Sergey47
    Sergey47 21 August 2013 19: 27
    +7
    I propose to legally prohibit entry into Russia for citizens of those countries where Orthodox Christians are oppressed. And if you want to enter the country, then kiss the Crucifixion right at the border and accept the true Faith. And no "michetes" where they have never been. And "pusi" and the like to burn at the stake. These are not fantasies, anyway, we will come to this sooner or later. Pederasts at stake, pedophiles at mines, to burn a stigma on the forehead of lesbians. And the Russian Orthodox Church should not sit on old dogmas, but should go to the people. Our churches would not stand empty if priests went to kindergartens, schools, just to people. Otherwise, you come to church and you don't know what's what, but if you ask, angry grandmas hiss at you. And who taught me, who explained? Here you go. But with other religions, everything is different.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 21 August 2013 20: 32
      -2
      Quote: Sergey47
      I propose by law to ban the entry into Russia of citizens of those countries where Orthodox are oppressed. And if you want to enter the country, then right on the border, kiss the Crucifix and accept the true Faith.

      Under the constitution, Russia is a secular state. In the Russian Federation 23 religious organizations, more than 000 different faiths. 70 Buddhists consider their religion to be true, as well as 700 million followers of Tengrianism, 000 Old Believers, 1.7 million Muslims, and even 400 Bahai ... What the above is not an example of religious extremism, what was missing from the piece of iron to kiss on the border. Circus...
      1. JIaIIoTb
        JIaIIoTb 21 August 2013 21: 21
        0
        The circus will when you begin to kiss. Finish and do so.
    2. Anti
      Anti 21 August 2013 20: 47
      0
      Quote: Sergey47
      And if you want to enter the country, then right on the border, kiss the Crucifix and accept the true Faith.


      Do not climb the oak tree anymore lol
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 22 August 2013 00: 21
      0
      Quote: Sergey47
      And the Russian Orthodox Church does not need to sit on the old dogmas, but we must go to the people.

      And it would also be possible to arrange public disputes, as it was before. it is true then atheists argued with priests, and priests did not always come out victorious, but how many interesting and necessary thoughts were expressed! We learned a lot of new things. Who is now stopping to arrange a dispute with neopagans, Catholics, etc.? It would be much more useful than concerts of different "stars"
    4. chehywed
      chehywed 22 August 2013 00: 47
      -1
      Quote: Sergey47
      I propose to legally prohibit entry into Russia for citizens of those countries where Orthodox Christians are oppressed. And if you want to enter the country, then kiss the Crucifixion right at the border and accept the true Faith. And no "michetes" where they have never been. And "pusi" and the like to burn at the stake. These are not fantasies, anyway, we will come to this sooner or later. Pederasts for a stake, pedophiles in mines, for lesbians to burn a stigma on their foreheads

      Sergey47Do you really think that SO will be correct ??? Or trying to score points on the general trend of the site? I am convinced that the majority of believers will shudder from such deeds. A person should ALWAYS remain !!!
    5. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 22 August 2013 10: 21
      0
      I agree in many ways that our ROC is far from the people in fact ... and their closeness only means .... and their concern only for themselves and for those in power.
      people don’t need to scare horror stories ... but you need to educate people .... only real true knowledge about God will give real faith ..... and keeping people in fear and educating religious fanatics is the way to nowhere .... or rather, it’s clear where
    6. VKabanov
      VKabanov 22 August 2013 14: 29
      0
      Licking the cross, and written beliefs in the acceptance of faith? Notary application required?

      Do you even understand what you are writing about? Believing in God, accepting religion, and sending a cult are fundamentally different concepts.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 21 August 2013 19: 34
    +6
    If we can hold on If we speak louder ... An excellent chance - let those who believe in the family, in respect for traditional values, who are sick of the blue "freedom" gather on our land ... The natural process of separation will bring such people to us. On the other side will gather those who think completely differently. And let's see - who will be cooler? Who will do better? Is it better to punish children and require them to grow, or let them play whatever they want to play in a relaxed way? Raise them in a traditional family or in a "colorful" family? Etc.
    Then I met an opinion from another site - they say Westerners shut up their screamers that they attacked Isinbayeva. And the amazing conclusion of the review - they did it because ... they were afraid for their profits from (for a minute) our Sochi! I always respected the author of this article, but then he got some kind of weak nonsense. Arrived? A couple of billion? Ashes ... Not that the West is scared. They were frightened, and greatly frightened, the waves of support for Isinbayeva in their own countries. It was frightening that normal people suddenly began to shake off blue dope, and who was the leader of the process? Russia!
    What can frighten the Western bosses more than the fact that people are increasingly looking at us with hope. With the belief that the Russians do not give up in front of the sodomites, in front of whom their world caved in and took a comfortable posture for use. That we are not allowed to persecute anyone, neither Christians, nor Muslims, nor Jews, nor Buddhists ... here bandits are caught and killed. And do not give them the authority to blow up temples. And what? The Russians are defending, the Western world is destroying ... "boss, the mustache is gone !!" the haze vanishes, that's what scares them.
  • Furnace driver
    Furnace driver 21 August 2013 19: 50
    +2
    The course of events in the world is such that everyone is ready to write fairy tales:

    Maybe the Bible does not tell about past deeds, but is a guide to action?
    The Tower of Babel collapsed (twin skyscrapers) ... And people did not understand each other, some say Good, others taldat Evil and vice versa.
    Sodom and Gomorrah ... More and more likenesses appear to the world.
    The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah by fire ... War is fierce, nothing else.
    Only the elect will remain ... in the Bible by God.
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 August 2013 20: 02
      +3
      If there is a nuclear conflict there will be no elected ones, ask about the consequences. So if the chosen ones remain as you put it, they will envy the dead
    2. bomg.77
      bomg.77 21 August 2013 21: 10
      0
      Quote: Furnace Driver
      The course of events in the world is such that everyone is ready to write fairy tales
      An interesting point of view! + To you.
  • Flooding
    Flooding 21 August 2013 20: 01
    +6
    I invite all pagans, non-believers and other citizens who do not respect Christianity, to turn to their conscience and ask themselves whether it is appropriate to turn this forum thread, which is crowned with photos of the murdered Christian martyrs, into a place for their favorite verbal battles.
    I do not cry out for your fear of God, but cry out for your conscience!
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 21 August 2013 20: 19
      -3
      Who submitted what you called the thread for discussion? the author, so why should he not be ashamed, and where is his conscience?
      1. Flooding
        Flooding 21 August 2013 20: 39
        +4
        Quote: vladsolo56
        Who submitted what you called the thread for discussion? the author, so why should he not be ashamed, and where is his conscience?

        The topic of discussion is clearly indicated in the title of the article.
        Now carefully read what Rumata, Fastblast, KG_patriot_last write.
        If you are from their camp, then I have no arguments for you.
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 21 August 2013 20: 59
          -1
          Quote: Flood
          If you are from their camp, then I have no arguments for you.

          Which camp do I belong to? =) Satanists? Followers of the Antichrist? Or maybe to the camp of sane people who do not believe in fairy tales for adults?
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 21 August 2013 21: 05
            +5
            Quote: Rumata
            Which camp do I belong to?

            To the camp of people who think they are sensible and educated, who do not doubt their innocence and who believe in their infallibility. But they have no basis under this certainty. The moral merits of such people are better not here and not now.
            This is the first option. I do not propose the second option "provocateurs' camp" yet.
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 21 August 2013 22: 07
              -2
              Quote: Flood
              But having no reason under this certainty

              What is it like? Is there scientific evidence for the existence of God? I don’t believe in the Tooth Fairy, because, most likely, it does not exist, since its appearance has never been documented, and the experiments with the use of cameras, pillows and teeth did not bring any results. If I catch this fairy, then I I will cease to be a fairy atheist, as her existence will be proved. You believe in the likeness of a tooth fairy, and of the thousands of varieties of these fairies, you are sure that it is your real one, and the rest are fiction. And on what basis? On the basis of old books that were rewritten hundreds of times, added, changed. Moreover, books dedicated to the rest of the fairies, no less, and many of them are much older, but still your fairy is the most real. And this my confidence has no foundation ????
              1. Flooding
                Flooding 22 August 2013 12: 17
                +2
                I almost feel sorry for you.
                Quote: Rumata
                What is it like? Is there scientific evidence for the existence of God?

                Did I write something about God? I wrote that I think of you.

                Now answer me these questions:
                - The universe is infinite? If so, how can it expand?
                You won't answer anything intelligible, but both are "scientific facts".
                That is, no one saw, no one felt, but everyone knows.
                - Does the earth have a core in its center or not?
                Shrug your shoulders? But this is also a "scientific fact".
                Which also no one saw or felt.

                Strange somehow it turns out. Humans take the liberty of discussing the structure of the planets and, moreover, the universe. Based on calculations and theoretical calculations, scientifically based hypotheses are built.

                But as soon as it comes to the most incomprehensible, about the Creator, there is a mass of refutations in the form of childish babble "have you seen? And have you touched?"

                However, between the first, scientists, and the second, ignoramuses, a huge gap ...
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 22 August 2013 17: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Flood
                  The universe is infinite? If so, how can it expand?
                  You won't answer anything intelligible, but both are "scientific facts".

                  Not everyone believes that it is infinite, and scientists confident in this, put a slightly different meaning into the concept of infinity than you. There are several theories, one of them is about Multiverse for example. Beyond the borders of the universe, there is no matter, there is no time and reasoning goes into metaphysics. The fact that the universe is expanding is a fact, since it has been scientifically proven that we cannot find out beyond the boundaries of an expanding universe since we do not have scientific methods to verify this.
                  Quote: Flood
                  - Does the earth have a core in its center or not?
                  Shrug your shoulders? But this is also a "scientific fact".
                  Which also no one saw or felt.

                  There are hundreds of ways to check if the Earth has a core, you can even see it with the help of instruments, you don’t have to touch it personally
                  Quote: Flood
                  But as soon as it comes to the most incomprehensible, about the Creator, there is a mass of refutations in the form of childish babble "have you seen? And have you touched?"

                  However, between the first, scientists, and the second, ignoramuses, a huge gap ...

                  Have you touched an atom or electron? But it exists and I do not argue with this, since science has proved this. There is no scientific evidence that astrology works, and Mars in the constellation Taurus will really bring a good day to the twins, since it was not possible to prove it as they did not try, then everything rests on faith as with religion. It’s enough for you to simply believe, without absolutely absolutely anything, in one of the dozens of religions and consider it true, good luck, in my opinion this is stupid.
                  1. Flooding
                    Flooding 23 August 2013 19: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Not everyone believes that it is infinite, and scientists confident in this, put a slightly different meaning into the concept of infinity than you.

                    Perhaps the word infinity really has a different meaning for learned minds? Which one?
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Beyond the borders of the universe, there is no matter, there is no time and reasoning goes into metaphysics.

                    Again, you talk about what is not known reliably. What are your statements about the absence of matter outside the universe based on?
                    You understand? Again, in many respects this is an area of ​​speculation and hypothesis, and among different researchers they can vary significantly. But we are talking about this with complete seriousness. Which for some reason causes criticism as soon as we start about God.
                    Quote: Rumata
                    There are hundreds of ways to check if the Earth has a core, it can even be seen using instruments

                    So tell me. I have never heard of such devices.
                    Quote: Rumata
                    Have you touched an atom or electron? But it exists, and I do not argue with this, since science has proved it

                    There are two nuances. Firstly, modern technology allows you to see elementary particles. The second nuance hides a trick in itself: from your reasoning it turns out that it is impossible to believe in the existence of unknown laws and unfathomable phenomena? And only at the moment when science has substantiated and proved this or that fact, can it act as a real, taking place subject?
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 23 August 2013 21: 49
                      +1
                      Quote: Flood
                      Perhaps the word infinity really has a different meaning for learned minds? Which one?

                      When talking about 16 (and not 4) dimensions mixed with quantum physics is used, infinity takes on a different meaning.
                      Quote: Flood
                      Again, you talk about what is not known reliably. What are your statements about the absence of matter outside the universe based on?

                      Depends on how well you know physics. Based on the currently accepted theory at the time of the Big Bang, all the matter in the universe was at one point, then it began to scatter from this point at the speed of light. It still scatters, which we call the expansion of the universe. Since matter cannot move faster than the speed of light, it cannot "overtake" the border of the expanding universe and, accordingly, it is not beyond this border. Time is tied with space, therefore the physical model is called space - time, if somewhere there is no space and matter, then proceeding from modern physics there is no time either. Then again the model of the Multiverse is wedged in. But this is all offtopic, you write about "scientific facts", although you yourself do not understand this.
                      Quote: Flood
                      So tell me. I have never heard of such devices.

                      For example, with the help of computer stimulation using seismological and magnetic data, the size, composition, density are known. Another way to measure vibrations during earthquakes, by comparing data from different points, creates an accurate picture, such a natural “echo locator.” X-radiation is also used. How else did scientists know about the three layers of the core, and their composition? Or in your opinion science is fortune telling on coffee grounds?



                      Quote: Flood
                      Firstly, modern technology allows you to see elementary particles.

                      How to see? The smallest thing we can "see" is an electron, which is just a giant in comparison with many other particles, we cannot see quarks, gluons or bosons, but we can nevertheless prove their existence.
                      Quote: Flood
                      The second nuance hides a trick in itself: from your reasoning it turns out that it is impossible to believe in the existence of unknown laws and unfathomable phenomena?

                      =)) Are you serious? You can believe in anything, astrology, tooth fairies and Santa Claus. What is the connection between faith and scientific facts? But to assert that something is a fact, that the probability of the truth of your "faith" is very high, can only be proved by a scientific method. Having put forward a falsified theory, confirm it experimentally. For example, from the point of view of science, evolution is a fact, this theory has the most evidence of all existing theories, and most likely Newton was wrong than Darwin, but then faith turns on, and the circus tent begins.
                      1. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 August 2013 15: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Rumata
                        How to see? The smallest thing we can "see" is an electron

                        What, the electron has ceased to be an elementary particle? What about a photon?
                        Or will you catch me on the word, believing that my phrase applies to ALL elementary particles? This would be strange, since it is quite possible that in decades humanity will learn about other elementary particles, of which we are not even aware today.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        When talking about 16 (and not 4) dimensions mixed with quantum physics is used, infinity takes on a different meaning.

                        You start with where you last finished, with theory. And you absolutely do not understand the essence of my question. If we can theorize today about the unknown and the unknown, which was previously scary to think about, then why can not we theorize about what they write, talk and think for thousands of years?
                        Maybe for a start stop at 12 dimensions?
                        Where did such an interesting figure 16 come from?
                        Yes, yes, I know. Another hypothesis.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        It depends on how well you know physics. Based on the currently accepted theory at the time of the Big Bang, all the matter of the universe was at one point, then it began to scatter from this point at the speed of light.

                        I answer your question: at the level of secondary school and university.
                        And then everything is more wonderful and wonderful. There was absolutely no need to write what many have known for a long time - about the old and good theory of the birth of the Universe. It was only necessary to try to understand the meaning of the question asked.
                        And its meaning is that we again fall into theory. Which so far is only at the stage of filling with scientific evidence. There would be no theories - there would be no scientific development. But this does not give us the right to consider theory a dogma. Or gives, but only when you want?
                        For what reason does the supportive view of some people on theorizing completely not extend to the other side of life - human, spiritual?
                        So, we consider a theory to be any conditionally viable system that is not supported by facts. But for any researcher who adheres to the theory, the main engine of its development is faith in it.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        For example, using computer simulations using seismological and magnetic data, the size, composition, density is known.

                        Computer simulation has become the data obtained by the instrumental method? No, this is a simulation that can help understand the processes taking place inside the planet. BUT at the same time, it can take into account only factors known to man and incorporated into the program.
                        You wrote absolutely clearly, I asked clearly. But the answer to put it mildly goes aside.
                        To date, the solid core of the planet is another scientific hypothesis, waiting for its confirmation or refutation.
                      2. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 August 2013 17: 01
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        What, the electron has ceased to be an elementary particle? What about a photon?

                        It was you who wrote that the particle can be seen and this is a proof of its existence, most of which we cannot see. The photon at first was only a hypothesis until its existence was proved. Now it is a fact. Until the existence of God, higher powers, lepricons, etc., is proved, we cannot unequivocally say that they exist. You can believe, relying on old books, but reality will not change ...
                        Quote: Flood
                        You start with where you last finished, with theory. If we can theorize today about the unknown and the unknown, which was previously scary to think about, then why can not we theorize about what they write, talk and think for thousands of years?

                        There is no need to mix scientific theories and faith in one heap. For a hypothesis to become a theory, it has to go a long way. There are many factors that indicate to us that there may be more than 4 dimensions, this fits into mathematical models, closes the "holes" in physics that used to make scientists' eyes sick. Perhaps this is not so, and scientists are working to prove that this is not true, since this is the basis of the scientific method - falsifiability. For example, as soon as the fossil remains of a rabbit from the Cambrian period are found, it will immediately, on the spot, prove that evolution is not true and no one will argue. Religion relies on faith, no matter what facts lead that there was no Great Flood, it is nonsense that humans definitely did not live with dinosaurs, that we are primates, that the Earth is a little more than 6000 years old, they turn a blind eye to this and say that all the will of God.
                        Quote: Flood
                        So, we consider a theory to be any conditionally viable system that is not supported by facts. But for any researcher who adheres to the theory, the main engine of its development is faith in it.

                        Theory is the highest degree in science, there is nothing more advanced than theory. The theory of gravity, Theory of evolution, Cell theory, etc. The theory is not supported by facts ??? What kind of nonsense, the theory is based on facts, experiments, confirmed forecasts. Faith has nothing to do with theories when they simply believe in something, without relying on anything, it is called religion.
                        Quote: Flood
                        But the answer to put it mildly goes aside.
                        To date, the solid core of the planet is another scientific hypothesis, waiting for its confirmation or refutation.

                        recourse I wrote besides simulations, there are other techniques. When we use X-rays, and really see the core, what do you call the hypothesis? By spectral analysis, we know the composition, density by gravimetry, are these all hypotheses? Then the existence of the photon is a hypothesis, we have hundreds of empirical evidence, but it has not been seen, so it may not exist? For already 100 years, the existence of the nucleus has been a scientific fact (proved already in 1897), and disputes have been going on over its exact composition, origin, but here you appear and nothing is proved, we just believe in the nucleus, and 120 years of studying it is bullshit. Our planet did not have a magnetic field if it were not for a solid inner core surrounded by a liquid, therefore Venus does not have a magnetic field (only a solid core without a moving liquid component), but Mars has, therefore, exists proven drift of magnetic poles.
                      3. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 August 2013 17: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I wrote besides simulations, there are other techniques. When we use X-rays, and really see the core, what do you call the hypothesis?

                        EXAFS (extended X-ray absorption fine structure) is a fluoroscopy method that was used to study the properties of a piece of iron artificially subjected to very strong compression for Modeling processes occurring in the core of the earth.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        Then the existence of the photon is a hypothesis, we have hundreds of empirical evidence, but it has not been seen, so it may not exist?

                        We see photons in millions and billions)
                        Quote: Rumata
                        I wrote besides simulations, there are other techniques. When we use X-rays, and really see the core, what do you call the hypothesis?

                        No, Rumata, go up a branch. You said that the fact that I cannot touch an atom or an electron is not an evidence base for denying their existence.
                        Of course I agree. And I clarify that some elementary particles have become available to the human eye using technology.
                        And I even argue that the lack of evidence is not an argument against a particular theory. The argument can only be weighty counter-arguments.
                        Do you understand how you distorted the meaning of what I wrote? I beg you, be careful.
                        Moreover, it is here that we are entering on a very interesting ground for reasoning. Because it is your arguments that come down to the fact that you recognize only scientifically proven or justified facts or phenomena. But this is your subjective worldview. Indeed, from the fact that you do not recognize something or simply do not know something because of your ignorance, the world will not become poorer by an order of the unknowable or unperceivable.

                        "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our sages never dreamed of."

                        Let’s end there, let each remain his own. Not that you will again begin to pour in accusations of trolling.
                        As you can see, I am more theorizing. Despite the thoughtlessly written by you above. And you are inclined to dry specifics, although you acknowledge that it is theory that is the engine of science.
                      4. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 August 2013 18: 28
                        0
                        You wrote that we refute God with babble, like you didn’t see, you didn’t touch
                        Quote: Flood
                        But as soon as it comes to the most incomprehensible, about the Creator, there is a mass of refutations in the form of childish babble "have you seen? And have you touched?"

                        I gave you an example that science does not have to SEE something to prove or disprove something, for example, elementary particles.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        Have you touched an atom or electron? But it exists and I do not argue with this, since science has proved this.

                        You are hinting that there is still a difference, since we actually can SEE these particles
                        Quote: Flood
                        There are two nuances. Firstly, modern technology allows you to see elementary particles

                        I again reminded that for the most part we CAN’T SEE.
                        Quote: Rumata
                        How to see? The smallest thing that we can "see" is an electron, which is just a giant compared to many other particles,

                        Where and what did I distort ??
                        Quote: Flood
                        Do you understand how you distorted the meaning of what I wrote? I beg you, be careful.

                        Quote: Flood
                        Your arguments come down to the fact that you recognize only scientifically proven or justified facts or phenomena. But this is your subjective worldview.

                        We are not talking about whether my neighbor’s wife is cheating or not. We say that billions believe in fairy tales, remnants of the past. The scientific method of obtaining new information is what has propelled our civilization forward, thanks to this there are airplanes, the Internet and medicines. And yes, this is the only way to separate truth from fiction and speculation. I gave you an example of astrology, millions believe in it, but this does not make it true. Until astrology is scientifically proven to work, I will treat it as superstition. Why? Because it is the ONLY way to either unequivocally prove or disprove. Why do you set religion apart? Many believe that girls need to be circumcised as a child; this casts out the demon of sin. Should we follow this too? Why don't you think that lightning is the wrath of the gods, and the sun is a divine chariot? Or do you choose which scientific evidence to believe and which not? Some people think that in the center of the earth there is no solid core, in order to find out for sure, we turn to science, any priests, mules or rabbis.

                        In general, my idea is this, there are many religions, beliefs, superstitions, will accept. The only way to prove that any of this actually exists is a scientific method, everything else does not work, and does not lead anywhere. Until the existence of God has been proved, I will treat this as fairy tales, as from the quote below - you are an atheist in relation to 2869 gods, I moved only one further. Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or the Macaroni God? You are not confused by the fact that if there is a god, is your chance not to be mistaken one of 2870, that is, 0.00034%?
                      5. Flooding
                        Flooding 24 August 2013 18: 48
                        0
                        OK. The last ball.

                        Quote: Rumata
                        Why don't you believe in Zeus, Thor or the Macaroni God? You are not confused by the fact that if there is a god, is your chance not to be mistaken one of 2870, that is, 0.00034%?

                        It doesn’t bother me, because my God is the creator of things.
                        the whole host of gods never claimed such a whopper.
                        In addition, I am a traditional warehouse person.

                        Quote: Rumata
                        I gave you an example of astrology, millions believe in it, but this does not make it true. Until astrology is scientifically proven to work, I will treat it as superstition.

                        Right. And you need to understand that your attitude will not affect the veracity of a particular teaching.

                        Quote: Rumata
                        Where and what did I distort ??

                        here
                        Quote: Rumata
                        You wrote that the particle can be seen and this is proof of its existence
                      6. Rumata
                        Rumata 24 August 2013 19: 03
                        0
                        Quote: Flood
                        It doesn’t bother me, because my God is the creator of things.
                        the whole host of gods never claimed such a whopper.

                        Hundreds of gods claimed to create all things. What about other big religions, Islam? Judaism? Or maybe one of the movements of Christianity, there are many of them. Why is it your religion, why did you get that Muslims understood everything wrong? The question is rhetorical
                        Quote: Flood
                        Right. And you need to understand that your attitude will not affect the veracity of a particular teaching.

                        No truthfulness affects my attitude, not the other way around. You mixed it up with religion.
                        Quote: Flood
                        OK. The last ball.

                        Good luck
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 22 August 2013 11: 55
    +1
    A man who does not appear to be a name calls me ... to conscience! Conscience from around the corner ... well, very creative. Remember the USSR? How is everything, everything gradually turned into a stupidly and deafeningly booming officialdom? And they stung and swayed and puffed out their cheeks with a tragically exalted expression on their faces ... until they tear the state away from the people. Until the people sent you, pathetic blowouts, from ancient times known, venerable address. It’s good that at least for the time being you don’t have the will to order (and you can only order, you will never see support). So while there is still a chance ...
  • Big giraffe
    Big giraffe 21 August 2013 20: 03
    +7
    O Lord save your people and bless your heritage, victories to the Orthodox Christians for resisting granting, and your preserving your cross with your cross!
  • Rumata
    Rumata 21 August 2013 20: 03
    -12 qualifying.
    somehow



    or like this

    1. tomket
      tomket 22 August 2013 00: 22
      +4
      A man came to God and asked: “God, why do you allow violence, murder, crime, torture?” God: -Do you not like all this? Man: Yes, we are against it! God: -Well, do not do this!
      1. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 22 August 2013 04: 42
        0
        This is only one question, and who created man, with all his vices?
        1. Flooding
          Flooding 22 August 2013 12: 26
          +1
          Quote: vladsolo56
          This is only one question, and who created man, with all his vices?

          The Lord created man and gave him freedom of choice, freedom of conscience, freedom of action. And just in this lies the whole grandeur of the plan.
          Look around us - the world is large and vast, it is full of all living creatures and plants.
          But in spite of all this greatness and beauty, not one being on Earth has any more such freedoms as man.
          As long as your child does only what you tell him, you will never recognize him in the fullness of his human merits and demerits. Moreover, it will be a person who is not self-sufficient, dependent. But only when he begins to act as he sees fit, will you be able to see his qualities behind his deeds and understand whether you properly educated him.
  • Grif
    Grif 21 August 2013 20: 27
    12
    Although I am an unbeliever, something seems strange to me, the kingdom of the Antichrist unfolds with might and main. I am with you, Christians!
  • Hauptam
    Hauptam 21 August 2013 20: 52
    -4
    Ask yourself the question who wrote this opus, why and for what purpose. Why now and who benefits from it. People use their brains before putting the cons. Why do you blindly believe what the "authorities" tell you? Stop being a crowd.
  • Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 21 August 2013 21: 00
    0
    Quote: Rumata
    Quote: Sergey47
    I propose by law to ban the entry into Russia of citizens of those countries where Orthodox are oppressed. And if you want to enter the country, then right on the border, kiss the Crucifix and accept the true Faith.

    Under the constitution, Russia is a secular state. In the Russian Federation 23 religious organizations, more than 000 different faiths. 70 Buddhists consider their religion to be true, as well as 700 million followers of Tengrianism, 000 Old Believers, 1.7 million Muslims, and even 400 Bahai ... What the above is not an example of religious extremism, what was missing from the piece of iron to kiss on the border. Circus...

    you will find circus and pieces of iron in your Senagogue
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 21 August 2013 22: 09
      +1
      Quote: Ruslan Medved
      you will find circus and pieces of iron in your Senagogue

      I found him here. I have not seen so much obscurantism in one place for a long time ...
  • drei612
    drei612 21 August 2013 21: 02
    +4
    Good article.
  • bomg.77
    bomg.77 21 August 2013 21: 04
    +3
    Many in the USSR thought that the Iron Curtain was to keep us out, but it turned out to be fenced. Russia has already rested, will not compromise with the holes and will most likely introduce partial censorship (media, the Internet, cinema).
  • alone
    alone 21 August 2013 21: 54
    0
    So in Yemen they do with Muslims who converted to Christianity. There, faith in Christ is considered the greatest crime and is strictly punished (supposedly according to Sharia law).


    this is not true. These are the machinations of fanatics who hide behind religion. according to the Koran, Christianity is the closest religion for Muslims. Even the first Muslims were sheltered by the Orthodox king of Ethiopia. The Sharia has nothing to do with it. this is most likely the work of the Yemeni Wahhabis. With their actions, they defile Islam and all human values
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 21 August 2013 22: 02
    +5
    Attack on Christianity goes
    This is not news, from the very beginning Christianity was persecuted, but the CHRISTIAN FAITH lives and will live.