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Chechen mosque leadership in the “Russia 10” competition should not surprise anyone

In former times, the expression “Moscow is the heart of Russia” was very popular. In the 19th century, it was more fully known: “Petersburg is the head of Russia, Moscow is its heart, and Nizhny Novgorod is the pocket”. It so happened that Red Square was called the heart and symbol of our country ... But it seems that those times have sunk into oblivion. Now we have another country, which has completely different characters.

The scandal around the Heart of Chechnya mosque continues to gain momentum in the blogosphere. Let me remind you that the mosque participates in the contest "Russia 10". Its meaning is to determine the greatest architectural monuments and sights of the country with the help of the voting of Internet users.

Thanks to the efforts of the current head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, the mosque occupies the first place in this race, that is, in fact, claims to be the symbol of today's Russia. The logic of the Chechen leader is clear: the full name of this religious object is “The Mosque named after Akhmat Kadyrov“ Heart of Chechnya ”. The official description on the “10 Russia” website states: “The Heart of Chechnya Mosque in Grozny is one of the largest, most beautiful and majestic mosques in Europe and the world. 17 was opened on October 2008 of the year and was named after Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov, the first president of the Chechen Republic. The mosque is located on the picturesque bank of the River Sunzha, in the middle of a huge park (14 hectares) and is part of the Islamic complex, which, in addition to the mosque, includes the Russian Islamic University. Kunta-Khadzhi and the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Chechen Republic. The mosque was built in the classic Ottoman style. ”

The Russian audience contrasts the mosque Kolomna Kremlin. However, he is still far behind in voting. At the time of this writing, 4 177 893 users voted for the mosque, Kolomna Kremlin - 3 749 691.

It is clear why the Chechen leader is trying. For Kadyrov, it is important to show how important the memory of his father is for him, and at the same time demonstrate the power of the republic’s leadership. But Russian public opinion takes the nomination of a mosque in the first place with a clear rejection. Built in the "Ottoman style" building reminds of the crisis of the modern Russian Federation and the Russian people.

Let me remind you that Chechnya is a state. So says the Constitution of the Russian Federation. More than 95% of the population of Chechnya are Chechens. After the well-known events of the 90-ies, not only Russians remained in the territory of the republic, but also Ingush who were related to Chechens. Chechnya is, in the full sense of the word, a national state of the Chechen people - mono-ethnic and rigidly defending the interests of ethnic Chechens. Let us recall, for example, the situation in the city of Pugachev, in which a certain head of the representative office of the President of the Chechen Republic in the Saratov region, Ahmed-Said Elesov, actively intervened.

On what basis did representatives of one subject of the Federation intervene in the affairs of another subject of the Federation, they did not explain to us. However, Kadyrov officially condemned the murder committed in Pugachev. But he is not only the formal leader of Chechnya, but also the Secretary General of the World Congress of the Chechen People, that is, the official leader of ethnic Chechens.

In other words, the “Heart of Chechnya” mosque pushes a full-fledged national state into first place in the competition. They are opposed to him simply by “Russian people” who do not have their own state. In fact, according to the official ideology, Russia is a state of 200 peoples. The Russian people is just one of them. So what, that Russian - 80% of the population of Russia and without our people, its stories and culture Russia is unthinkable? But the Russians are stateless people. It is absolutely impossible for the current Russian Federation to uphold the interests of Russians or give citizenship to Russians persecuted in other countries. In the same Central Asia, for example. And even for Putin to hold the post of general secretary of the World Congress of the Russian People, it’s even difficult to imagine.

Because the competition and causes such aversion. Of course, part of his role is the release of steam. Say, a big Internet scandal will distract the electorate from real politics. Previously, they argued over who the coolest ruler of Russia is Stalin or Ivan the Terrible. There were also big battles. People scratched their tongues so that they erased them into the blood. Not to mention the fact that such contests bring profit to the organizers. The cost of voting for the same heart of Chechnya mosque is 3 ruble with kopecks (it differs depending on the telephone operator). Consequently, more than 4 of the millions who voted for it gave the organizers more than 12 million rubles. Not a bad business!

But if you abstract away from the PR component of the competition, it is clear that he simply sharpens the old problems of Russia. Formal “multinationality” exists against the background of the non-recognition of the role of the Russian people. But at the same time with the multinational and non-recognition of Russians in the territory of the Russian Federation, there are 16 ethnic national states-republics that no one is in a hurry to recognize as multinational and who protect the interests of their ethnic groups.

This circumstance also generates tension in national relations, which is getting higher every year. The scandal around the “Heart of Chechnya” is only an external manifestation of the crisis of statehood.

This means that it will pass and be forgotten, but the problem will remain, no matter how the vote ends - with the victory of the mosque or the victory of the Kolomna Kremlin opposing it. The cause of the conflict is in the unclear status of the Russian people in Russia, in the absence of our Motherland, in the asymmetry of our federation. This problem will not go anywhere, even if the Kolomna Kremlin wins. Here is an open field for work, which is just beginning.

Ramzan Kadyrov called the possible victory in the competition of the Grozny mosque "the triumph of tolerance." And here it is impossible to disagree with him. It really will be a complete victory - and over Russian history, and over common sense ...
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  1. +70
    21 August 2013 07: 08
    They wind up their voices, it's as old as the world! They showed on TV how they all were brought in to the polling stations in droves (no other than a herd) and they voted, even people ignorant of this! I don’t see any historical or architectural delights in this building! Yes it will not be! Everyone took and voted, 3 times on the site and sending SMS from the phone - is it really that hard !? Give the Kolomna Kremlin a symbol of Russia!
    1. -70
      21 August 2013 15: 22
      for one article title - minus, did not even read. just ignoring this kind of publication
      1. +77
        21 August 2013 15: 26
        Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
        And you do not care, well done!
        1. royk
          -33
          21 August 2013 16: 13
          What does it dictate? They are being conducted on television tricks, and you are being driven on. In general, you should not watch TV, especially Russia.
          1. +39
            21 August 2013 16: 17
            what are you speaking about? give the Caucasus! what will you have from the south? Ukraine, Georgia and the Caucasian republics! You don’t want to build a fence, heaped up mlyn, they zenusili right. howled immediately, as soon as you were taken for a weakling Russian, poor little ones oppress you all, and you yourself have become such weaklings! you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!
            LITTLE TO YOU ??? THE CAUCASUS IS GUILTY ?? THE CAUCASUS ONLY PLAYS AT YOUR SAME WEAKNESS!
            1. +17
              21 August 2013 16: 36
              afire Generalized all, "well done"!
              1. +3
                21 August 2013 16: 41
                most SUCH every day I watch on the streets, and then this majority complains about everything and everyone. No honor, solid me, me, me, me.
                1. +54
                  21 August 2013 18: 28
                  Right the majority? Well, all around shitting and getting drunk? I somehow manage to meet with another Russian majority, which I like more than any diaspora. Although I do not feel any hatred for other nations.
                  What are your awesome Caucasians who "mastered" besides trade and crime? I'm talking about the territory of Russia. And the fact that the relationship is so strange with them develops, so the story - so it and that way. It's just that the same Caucasians are used to solving everything at the level of showdowns - like bandits, and the Russians are used to the fact that the state and its organs are in control. That’s not how they don’t understand how it’s that - there is a state, but everything is being dealt with like a gangster in relations between people. It would be better if the state "woke up" before the Russians "wake up". Otherwise, the diasporas simply will not become - although blood will be shed .. God forbid.
                  1. Spectrum
                    +13
                    21 August 2013 20: 11
                    I agree 100%.
                  2. +2
                    21 August 2013 22: 17
                    Quote: Mairos

                    What are your awesome Caucasians who "mastered" besides trade and crime?

                    they are as mine as yours, and with what fright you make me their protector, I essentially do self-flagellation of ourselves for being silent like sykuns. Cons and cons think about it!
                    1. tverskoi77
                      +3
                      22 August 2013 11: 12
                      for being silent like a sykun.

                      You do not confuse them with the Great Russian people and other worthy peoples of our country. Or do you think we need to take axes and chop everyone who we don’t like, how the Chechens can do it. To fight so to speak.
                      We have too different levels of development and culture. And we will never intimidate with blood - we are not bandits.
                  3. -1
                    22 August 2013 08: 44
                    Apparently, by the nature of his activity, every day he is forced to pass by hot spots and homeless people, which is why it seems to him that this is the "majority")))
                2. -2
                  21 August 2013 21: 22
                  And which of you? I see, you do not complain and do not whine. And what do you personally do? Teach others too.
                3. Predskazamus
                  +19
                  22 August 2013 00: 53
                  I’m in Azerbaijan. In the morning I hurried to let the elderly go to work. The last white-haired mother is standing at the doorstep, the minibus is empty. For more than 3 people they can’t let her in. She was ashamed. And those who sat and the driver according to FIG. I persuaded her to tell her. the word and paid for the mother. with the words learn to respect yourself, others respect you. respect the mothers, elders, women. and only then you will become higher than someone else.
                4. -1
                  22 August 2013 04: 19
                  Quote: afire
                  most SUCH everyday I watch on the streets

                  And what did you do so that there wouldn’t be such YAYAJAYA?
            2. 0
              21 August 2013 18: 23
              Hold your tongue. Hamite .. boy ..
            3. +9
              21 August 2013 19: 39
              Quote: afire
              you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!

              To the point +. If it comes to a fight, then you have to fight while in consciousness. If a crowd is pounding someone, hide behind him, no matter how scary it is. Are beatings worse than the realization that you are a coward and selfish? Yes spit, what will be the symbol there, and if it will be then for whom? And when is the next vote? To opu tolerance! Man, wherever he is, man is all the same. It is necessary to ask everyone the same, not generalizing.
              And the other day the poet is visiting
              There was a novelist Eugene of Nesosnazanskaya.
              I ate vodka and wept bitterly
              About Holy Orthodox Russia.

              So no need to sob, sobbing is too easy. smile
              1. +2
                21 August 2013 22: 19
                I’m trying to hammer this whole day, only people are used to hearing only themselves that they are wounded here and their state infringes on the chocks. shame. ugh
            4. +19
              21 August 2013 19: 51
              Do not compare Russian and Russian speakers, the majority of Russian people do not behave like that, I have examples of my family and friends before my eyes, your words are too similar to the stereotype that some forces are promoting. Russian people in Beslan put their lives and went under the bullets to save "alien" non-Russian children, and this is what speaks about us in the first place and not what you write.
            5. +16
              21 August 2013 20: 48
              Yes, you already drove this stamp. They drink ... they drink. No, dear, no longer drink as before. I understand that for some nationalities this was very correct. They, as they say, played in the ass in anticipation of the death of Russian civilization. But it turned out the opposite. You are degrading. I’ll explain it on my fingers. Arriving in Russia, Caucasians come out from under the care of their elders, and here it begins. You look like a 70s hippie. Konegrivy, in some inconceivable outfits, cursing and thumping like Russian, and this is death for you. Who does not thump, he kicks. And when, 5 times a day, knock your head on the floor? Once, and why, Allah already gave everything that is needed, thanks to him and dosvidos. Something like that.
            6. +1
              21 August 2013 21: 48
              as soon as they took you for a weakling Russian
              national weaknesses do not exist, but temporary workers cannot grow wiser.
            7. AdAAkRuSS
              +2
              21 August 2013 23: 11
              Quote: afire
              what are you speaking about? give the Caucasus! what will you have from the south? Ukraine, Georgia and the Caucasian republics! You don’t want to build a fence, heaped up mlyn, they zenusili right. howled immediately, as soon as you were taken for a weakling Russian, poor little ones oppress you all, and you yourself have become such weaklings! you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!
              LITTLE TO YOU ??? THE CAUCASUS IS GUILTY ?? THE CAUCASUS ONLY PLAYS AT YOUR SAME WEAKNESS!

              We may be bored to build a fence, but we won't get bored to interrupt you on OWN LAND, don't say "steel weak" for everyone, our troubles are our problems and we don't need to lump everything together.
              1. +9
                21 August 2013 23: 35
                Well, PPC, I’m just the same Russian more than you, both externally and internally, and the fact that you don’t know the person say so, and says that you think superficially whom you are going to interrupt on my land is not clear, hamster keyboard you. It’s necessary to look at the root, what happened - it was already, after a fight they don’t wave their fists, in fact look - there is a precedent went to sort it out, I’m 100% sure that when passing by black in black-green trousers you grin and no more that Well you will not tell them directly ?? fall asleep! you’ll be afraid to catch a pumpkin, and here is a hero. We always have damn it, just a little bit that we are heroes, we’ll fill everyone up, but when we face head-on on the street - hell is there, we’ll go around the edge with a mess. Handicapped horseradish stretch out. Paper heroes. And do not talk about wartime, that’s another thing, national, common, and now there’s peace time in which we are obliged to find a common language with minimal losses. Yes, it’s hard for us to live with them, but the fact that we are single-handedly sykuns - we must admit and do not need to be ashamed of this, we need to work on it, respect ourselves first! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help in disassembling. So, and they have unity, because they realize that they can’t survive alone on a foreign land, therefore they get stuck in swarms, and a downed black pack is a force that provokes nonsense, which is expressed on our streets, is reflected in the criminal situation .
                Well, and who are you going to peck ??? fastened terrible avatars, and behind them the emptiness of the soul.
                1. elenasvetlova
                  -1
                  22 August 2013 00: 00
                  huge and bold PLUS you afire!
                  but the smasher of everyone and everything is a clear natsik, nonsense from him is an inadequate rush.
                2. +3
                  22 August 2013 11: 39
                  In your post, only lowering the neighbor. We are not a flock, we are trying to create a state so that it happens that it’s not a murmur on the gates but in a crowd to evict. In your posts about Russians, only negative, nichrome they say can’t, scribblers are Internet. And here they are ... and the argument about cohesion - organized crime groups are commonplace.

                  Roskazny about old women and stuff - complete crap, as if no one in Russia is helping anyone ... hmm. The feeling that you personally Caucasians packs fells.

                  What about the fact that one at a time they are not so bulls? How about the fact that these bulls on the Internet lit up so much trolling and aggression that the majority of the arguments here on the site are childish pranks.

                  In short, with your post you show that you are the same keyboard avenger. Or are you walking past each in training in beta pumpkin ??
                3. 0
                  22 August 2013 11: 39
                  In your post, only lowering the neighbor. We are not a flock, we are trying to create a state so that it happens that it’s not a murmur on the gates but in a crowd to evict. In your posts about Russians, only negative, nichrome they say can’t, scribblers are Internet. And here they are ... and the argument about cohesion - organized crime groups are commonplace.

                  Roskazny about old women and stuff - complete crap, as if no one in Russia is helping anyone ... hmm. The feeling that you personally Caucasians packs fells.

                  What about the fact that one at a time they are not so bulls? How about the fact that these bulls on the Internet lit up so much trolling and aggression that the majority of the arguments here on the site are childish pranks.

                  In short, with your post you show that you are the same keyboard avenger. Or are you walking past each in training in beta pumpkin ??
                4. +2
                  22 August 2013 12: 18
                  Quote: afire
                  ! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help in disassembling.

                  Yes, a simple admission, almost everyone knows our family at our entrance, since we saw our neighbor as a friend, if you brought something to help from the summer house, our brothers and I were raised by our parents. And as a result, everyone knows our Azerbaijani family at the entrance practically do not communicate with each other. And in the end, when we have a pipe burst or something is needed. We know who to contact and they will open the door for us, but for others, there’s nothing to do to call the rescue service. From here it all starts.
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 12: 37
                    This is because YOU (and your family) have accepted OUR way. I personally will break e-la to those who dare to touch you (to hook you verbally). Believe us, we are not against you. Only behave with dignity!
                    1. +2
                      22 August 2013 14: 48
                      Quote: Den 11
                      This is because YOU (and your family) have accepted OUR way.

                      It’s just that we didn’t accept your way of life, otherwise we would walk like other Russians and ignore each other. I don’t know maybe the Russians were different before, but what I have been observing since childhood IS MY HUT FROM THE EDGE. But we cannot and this is wrong.
                      Quote: Den 11
                      I will personally smash e-la to those who dare to touch you

                      And I will do so who touches my neighbors, a decently dressed girl and a quietly walking guy down the street.
                      But how can I protect a girl who is harassed by a clothing style that is half naked with all the charms out ?? How can I protect a drunk man smelling of fumes in a guy ?? A guy with a hole in his ear, dressed ala gay ??
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Believe me, we are not against you. Only behave with dignity!

                      Understand the strength of Russia was that it is a synthesis of the EAST AND WEST !! But right now the West has been chosen and everything has already been secreted for it.
                      And so there will be a clash between different citizens. There will be a huge distance from one part to another.
                      And the word with dignity is also applicable in different ways.
                      A Caucasian can say why I should behave myself with a girl. Who has tried more than 10 guys, dressed like a bf, a guy who does not stand up for his girlfriend. Why should I behave with them with dignity. You tell it to our traditions. What they say is not a lie, there was no such tradition, a man always stood up for his woman, and a woman was faithful to her husband and behaved with dignity.
                      I just belong to the category of people. Who do not care. Behave yourself as you walk. The main thing is not to say that I need to do this.
                      But the North Caucasians can say this is my country and they behave incorrectly.
                      Therefore, the law either works or the Russians give the face to the Caucasians, they say our girls decide for them how many sleeps and we decide how to behave, we chose this way your rules will be in your area. But there is not one or the second, as a result it boils and smells Powerfully by vem. Including people like me.
                      1. 0
                        22 August 2013 15: 03
                        Just believe me --- I absolutely agree with you (Unlike with the jingoistic patriots on this site). But you should know there are still people who can ... This is so that they would know. But in one thing you are right --- too many "snotty patriots" got divorced!
                      2. 0
                        22 August 2013 15: 21
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Just believe me --- I absolutely agree with you (Unlike with the jingoistic patriots on this site). But you should know there are still people who can ... This is so that they would know. But in one thing you are right --- too many "snotty patriots" got divorced!

                        I know that I know such people for whom a mini skirt is simply an unacceptable thing and these are Russian guys, but they are a minority.
                        These jingoistic patriots will destroy the country, they narrowly see the problem, not globally, see the effect, not the cause.
                      3. +2
                        22 August 2013 15: 32
                        It's not a miniskirt! This is our personal one. For example, I am very pleased with the eye, a beautiful female butt and legs. But this is our personal one. And do not meddle with us, RUSSIAN, with your own rules! I will explain again- that there was mutual respect --- No need to impose your values ​​on each other!
                      4. sleepy
                        +4
                        23 August 2013 02: 21
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        "A Caucasian can say why I should behave with dignity with a girl who has tried more than 10 guys, dressed like a ..., a guy who does not stand up for his girlfriend. Why should I behave with them with dignity. You tell our traditions.What will they say don't lie, there was no such tradition, a man always stood up for his woman,
                        and the woman was faithful to her husband and behaved with dignity. "


                        First you need to decide who is Caucasian.
                        "A Dagestani beat a Petersburg woman to death, inflicting
                        she has over 100 hits. "
                        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1329176-0/
                        He probably didn’t like the girl, how she was dressed, how she behaved ...

                        "The Chechen was upset because of the girl's lack of attention and sent her defender to the hospital."
                        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1338784-0/
                        He probably didn't like that guy not stood up for his girlfriend or something else did not like - a girl, for example
                        or the rain began ...

                        "A St. Petersburg resident who stood up for bystanders who were beaten by the Dagestanis at Primorskaya died of a knife wound."
                        http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/756746-1/
                        Probably they also didn’t like something in St. Petersburg,
                        dressed wrong, speaks an incomprehensible language ...

                        "A Caucasian boxer shot 7 times in the face of the guy who reprimanded him."
                        http://rusplatforma.org/novosti/news2645/
                        And there is nothing to make comments, so I got mine.
                        But in Belarus everything is calm, and in the USSR
                        under Stalin, this was not.
                      5. Predskazamus
                        0
                        25 August 2013 02: 32
                        I completely agree!!
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                6. AdAAkRuSS
                  +1
                  22 August 2013 16: 01
                  Quote: afire
                  Well, PPC, I’m just the same Russian more than you, both externally and internally, and the fact that you don’t know a person say so, and says that you think superficially, whom you are going to interrupt on my land - it’s not clear, hamster keyboard you.
                  Either you are Russian (which I strongly doubt), or Gussian (which is more likely), you don’t know me either, but at the same time you’re 100% sure and consider yourself a deep-thinking person, I don’t mind your assumptions about my behavior in some (you’ve concocted) situations, well, anybody can be called a hamster only because he answered someone’s comment, they called me a Nazi here because I can’t stand it when my people are being poured with mud! I managed to peep into my soul ?, and all the Russians? Aren't you ashamed to be Russian ?, after your writing, but it’s more correct to call verbal diarrhea. You can’t answer, I’m not interested in your opinion and just do not like talking.
            8. rereture
              +3
              22 August 2013 01: 43
              Have you ever been to the hospital with a bmw because you stood up for a person and you got armature on the head? You were threatened with reprisal with your family ?? Your best friend was kidnapped in broad daylight and tortured (with a gas key in different parts of the body) in a van?

              Have you heard about article 282?
              Beat the Caucasian - inciting ethnic hatred.
              They killed a Russian - everyday life.

              Where is the damn justice?


              sit in the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman

              We have gender equality, which women themselves have achieved.
              1. Marek Rozny
                0
                22 August 2013 10: 14
                Quote: rereture
                Have you ever been to the hospital with a bmw because you stood up for a person and you got armature on the head? You were threatened with reprisal with your family ?? Your best friend was kidnapped in broad daylight and tortured (with a gas key in different parts of the body) in a van?

                Have you heard about article 282?
                Beat the Caucasian - inciting ethnic hatred.
                They killed a Russian - everyday life.

                Where is the damn justice?

                I don’t see justice. I see only ordinary cowardice.

                Quote: rereture
                We have gender equality, which women themselves have achieved.

                And you are glad ... Flowers for March 8 are not given by chance?
                Under some circumstances, I probably would have kicked you too. Because you do not cause respect.
                Thank God, there are normal Russians, like AFIRE, Elena Svetlova and others, to whom, if you try to present something, they will quickly put the offender in his place. And they themselves will not be a greyhound, and they will not give it to others. As a Kazakh, I like this. They are Russians. And you don't know who. Whiner and weakling. I'd rather die than give a reason to accuse me of cowardice or betrayal. And you will cry out of the blue, but when a real occupier comes, you will wipe tears of emotion with a handkerchief, trying to please the new owners. Che is not it? AFIRE in such a situation will gnaw enemy tanks with their teeth. He will receive a Gold Star, and you will write somewhere abroad: “How bravely I fought for Mother Russia against Putin’s power” (although the most you did during the occupation was to wipe away tears of joy with a handkerchief).
                Well, and which of you is Russian - Afire or you? Of course, Afire. What kind of Russian are you, if you can’t do anything except tantrums in the internet ...
                1. 0
                  22 August 2013 11: 32
                  You still make the difference between whining and explaining the reasons for the situation. The self-flagellation that Afair is engaged in is as delusional as the screams that everything is lost. When the people are engaged in self-watering shit, it means that they have already been brainwashed during the information war. This was the beginning of Gorbachev's catastrophe - they ditched history, ditched folk heroes, taught them to constantly "criticize" their shortcomings (self-flagellation) - as a result, what we have. The people really began to believe that they were worthless, degraded and drunk. An excess of negativity and self-flagellation is much more harmful than even "hurray-patriotism." Take any mountaineer, whose ancestors were not engaged in anything except robbing neighbors and the slave trade, and then .. he is proud of them (warriors!) And his self-respect is on this platform. And this liberal verbiage about the need to "tell the truth about ourselves" and is aimed at making us lose ALL self-esteem, respect for our ancestors and ashamed of belonging to our people.
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 11: 45
                    okay, then tell me - why is our nation still in such a suspended state? Why aren’t you promoting a healthy lifestyle? oh yes - we closed our eyes with a handkerchief and don’t notice anything bad, we see only how beautiful we are and that everyone around us who wants us to die. What kind of nonsense?
                    Quote: Mairos
                    And this liberal verbiage about the need to "speak the truth about ourselves" and is aimed at making us lose ALL self-respect, respect for our ancestors and ashamed of belonging to our people.

                    Self-esteem must be found and restored and cleverly to this I urge respect for the ancestors? who brought up youth who are perishing on monuments? -we! we! we! Who brought up youth jumping from under the monuments ?? we! we! we! Who is ashamed of being Russian? here you obviously went too far, I did not write a word about it, but on the contrary, proud of it. But I really want my nation to have Respect for ourselves! got it ??? Today, in the train, two women argued to the shit because one of them was talking loudly, a mate of rewind-shame. Some do not have respect for those around them and tremble loudly, while others have a mate in the form of claims. WHERE RESPECT BETWEEN US ?? remove the handkerchief from your eyes already, everything is much worse, these are women and this is not everyday life - this is now our lifestyle that needs to be developed! And such a reversal is possible ONLY under socialism. Democracy is destroying both Russia and Russian and other nationalities.
                    1. +4
                      22 August 2013 11: 54
                      I advocate. I go in for sports both myself and my children. I work and children do not drink or smoke. And I always say that the best propaganda is an example. I have a feeling that you live in some kind of cesspool, around, urine and degenerates. Open your eyes, stop seeing only nasty things and, believe me, you will see a lot of good. Do not get caught up in the negative !!

                      "And such a turn is possible ONLY under socialism. Democracy is ruining both Russia and Russians and other nationalities." - here 100500+ Agree!
                      1. +2
                        22 August 2013 12: 02
                        in solidarity, also sport and a healthy lifestyle. I live in an ordinary city, of which there are hundreds in the country. I used to travel a lot around the country, the picture is basically the same everywhere. In big cities, nastiness is less visible, but in small cities it’s just all in sight. And even if I lived in
                        Quote: Mairos
                        you live some cesspool, around, urine and degenerates.
                        , then this is very bad and there must also be respect and cleanliness. You can’t divide the country into good and bad places, you need to achieve the equivalence of all places of our stay. The earth is one and there is nothing to divide it.
                  2. sleepy
                    +1
                    23 August 2013 02: 36
                    Quote: Mairos
                    "... The people really began to believe that they are worthless, degrading
                    and gets drunk. Excess of negativity and self-flagellation
                    much more harmful than even "hurray-patriotism ...".


                    Patriotism is really not enough.

                    "... I recently spoke with an American on the Internet.
                    Real, inveterate. A patriot to the marrow of bones.
                    And he gave me a terrible American secret.
                    And do you know what it is?
                    Russia will never be happy
                    unless, of course, he adopts the American slogan:
                    "Perhaps my country is wrong, but this is MY country.
                    We can talk about everything, but no one gave us the right
                    shit in your own house ... "

                    http://topwar.ru/29548-kak-my-stali-zleyshimi-vragami-rodiny.html

                    And a monograph has long been written about robbery in the Caucasus.

                    "Doctor of Medicine E.V. ERIKSON
                    ON KILLING AND BREAKING IN THE CAUCASUS
                    Bulletin of psychology, criminal anthropology and hypnotism.
                    Under the general editorship of Academician V.M. Bekhterev. "
                    St. Petersburg, 1906.
                    http://www.xpomo.com/ruskolan/avdeev/arp_kavkaz.htm
                2. rereture
                  0
                  22 August 2013 15: 50
                  I'd rather die than give a reason to accuse me of cowardice or betrayal.


                  Already given a reason, only a coward can insult a person (like a little mongrel that barks from far away, and wags its tail near), Internet war damn (it’s through e, since). As for death, I can help.

                  And you - I don’t know who. Whiner and wimp.


                  You do not know the person, but you endure the assessment.

                  And you will cry out of the blue, but when the real occupier comes, you will wipe away the tears of emotion with a handkerchief, trying to please the new owners. Che right?


                  Again insults, you're just a coward and worthless.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    +1
                    23 August 2013 10: 23
                    pfff ... your portrait is clear. knocked once, now frightened before another such case. in your message it can be seen absolutely clearly. I was knocked out, but not a drop of fear appeared. if I have to defend my point of view with my fists, I do it without hesitation. and I never had a thought to whine: "how unjustly the world is arranged, and I am unhappy I can not do anything, because they can beat me again, but I don't want that."
                    and it finished me that, instead of answering about the standing women as they should, you began to write that they supposedly deserved this by their struggle for emancipation. our women didn’t particularly fight for this, and they fought for completely different rights, and not for the right to stand in public transport.
                    well, you sit-sit on the bus. Feel your involvement in the struggle for women's rights.
            9. +2
              22 August 2013 04: 16
              Quote: afire
              , zaminusili straight for the truth.

              Dear, why are you so indignant? zamususuyut you for the cause. You insulted everyone and everything in your post, and are outraged when you are punished for it, but you yourself reproach us for being Russian and cowardly, and you are outraged when we get snot. Here they are double standards from the EU. Behind the hillock and squeal all the masters. Start with yourself, do you not see a log in your eye? You probably forgot who brought all this discord to us in the Caucasus, I’ll remind you, all this turmoil came from the EU from you, has it turned out so historically that Europe has been stirring up water in the Caucasus with the hands of the Turks for centuries, or not? And now all this dregs from the EU, we are now raking, with our own hands, and at the expense of the Russians. Do not tell us dumb, what is the situation in Germany, France, with the Turks, and immigrants from North Africa? How do they flatten you there and lay big and thick on you and your culture? And about the Russians and the Caucasians, I will say this, the dear ones scold, only amuse themselves. And for people like you, who can only write in Russian, but in their souls and in life, the cowards are ZABOZHORNY (i.e., the CONTRACTORS) as pop Gapon, will I tell you or remind you? that the Russians harnessed for a long time, but then quickly chased. And history has confirmed this many times. So guys, let's live together !!! so that we do not drive quickly everyone and everything. hi
              1. 0
                22 August 2013 08: 41
                you are freaking annoying! I work in Moscow! what is your habit ??? judge by the flag! - the flag is assigned by IP, and I have no idea why my employer has a non-Russian IP!
                from you from the EU, turmoil, Europe. zadolbali, and now all your text, addressed to me "European" is irrelevant! and you answered me - Russian.
            10. -1
              23 August 2013 06: 17
              narrow-eyed look of a man with a sick imagination.
        2. -9
          21 August 2013 20: 01
          you were born free, and everyone is free to make a choice: die in battle, defending this freedom, or live on your knees. And do not dare to justify your cowardice and physical weakness! Who's stopping you from swinging? Who makes you stare at the crate from morning till night, smoke, suck beer and wallow ?! You are all - the so-called Russian men - drunks and wimps, you are all deserters in this war, which will very soon end in your defeat! (Puchkov - Nation)
          Quote: Marrying
          Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
          And you do not care, well done!
          1. +1
            22 August 2013 11: 36
            You forgot to mention who IT says in Puchkov’s book. Do not be idiotic and not rude.
            1. +1
              22 August 2013 21: 56
              I didn’t understand why, why cry, build a Sofia Cathedral in Chechnya, and where did anyone say, as well as foolishness and rudeness, it’s not true that you can dance in the square in front of this mosque
              Quote: Mairos
              You forgot to mention who IT says in Puchkov’s book. Do not be idiotic and not rude.
        3. avt
          +5
          21 August 2013 21: 22
          Quote: Marrying
          Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
          And you do not care, well done!

          Do not be boiled, think - how many swamp hamsters on principle voted for the mosque to annoy the GDP? Well, how much bolt just hammered into this dregs? It is not worth bothering people over trifles, it is clear that this is an imitation of ideological work, so, loot on trifles on the project shit. Another bad thing - now tired of twitching over trifles, but how will it squeeze? Who will believe them and rise? To address people - "brothers and sisters", and they listened to you and followed you, there are few such quizzes, but their organizers do not understand this, so they live one day and the words of the song, the native country would live and there are no others worries "for them it's just cool, without any sense.
          1. +5
            21 August 2013 22: 10
            Quote: avt
            Do not get excited, think about how many swamp hamsters, from the principle, voted for the mosque to salt the GDP

            Well, how much? Absolutely inadequate? fool In the swamp there were neither Caucasians nor Asians. Why frighten the opponents of GDP to vote for the Mosque? Or maybe Kadyrov is a swamp hamster, along with all of Chechnya? Crazed pro-power in the swamp. They got so scared that they still cannot calm down. Everywhere they swamp hamsters seem to drink less need ....
            1. +1
              22 August 2013 11: 39
              Yes, they wind the mosque. If you frequently update the page, you can see that fewer people vote for the mosque, and then in one fell swoop, 200-300-400 votes increase immediately. For the Kolomna Kremlin, however, voices go gradually and more than for a mosque.
        4. +6
          21 August 2013 22: 26
          If we take up the issue objectively and fairly, then the symbol of Russia should be the object that the real majority in Russia like. I think in this case, the Kolomna Kremlin will win. And indeed, a beautiful building! But guys, how you react to a random advantage in favor of the mosque has shown how disgusting we non-Russians are to you ... Honestly ... I am destroyed ...
          O Allah, make the Russian cultural monument become the symbol of Russia! Otherwise, the Russians, us, Untermensch, will crush and despise even more!
          1. +11
            21 August 2013 22: 45
            If your youth (which is not the best part here) even comes close to your level of understanding, no one will say bad words to you!
          2. elenasvetlova
            +1
            21 August 2013 22: 48
            I completely agree that today people smoked here - tin.
            As for the drink - do not drink. I’m sitting looking out the window, the time is 22.40 p.m., the window is on the town square, all the benches are occupied by young people, girls with prams, guys on skateboards, music from youth cars ... and one small detail that may not be striking to everyone, next to the shops, where young people and ladies with prams are sitting, just mountains of empty beer containers, cans, bags, etc. under the feet, as usual, although not visible from afar, a carpet of husk from the seeds. It is for Sergey47 it may seem strange, but the majority of people who drink and drink are young people, teenagers, and at the same time mercilessly tar. And after that you talk about drinking less? not only that, but the drug is different, as hemp odor occasionally flies into the window ...
            like that. complete relaxation, and there will be no one to stand for a lonely defenseless girl on the street, as he said afire - sit in the subway and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, have cheated everything around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years
            And Russian men become cowards, moving away from unnecessary and not related to their problems. where are we going ...
            1. +2
              22 August 2013 11: 45
              Interestingly, I walk around St. Petersburg on a day off and, as it were, there are not enough people sitting with beer, and even more so walking. Maybe this is from the series that he wanted and saw? And then - if I sat on the bench where the bottles were thrown, does it mean that I am an alcoholic, or didn’t you remove the garbage on time?
            2. +2
              22 August 2013 12: 04
              Nationality has nothing to do with it. Men become weaker and more cowardly in any liberal democratic society, where the highest values ​​are life, comfort, rights and money, and not honor, conscience, duties and duty. Look at many "Moscow Caucasians" - sluggish punks in tight-fitting jeans or Turkish shavars, insolent and cheeky manners. This is the result of the degradation from warriors (even abreks) to the "golden" youth of the liberal community. Well, about the Turkish-Egyptian gigolos at the resorts can also be remembered - also a form of degradation, but already of eastern men.

              In general, drop all Russians into one measure, most worthy people work, create families, raise their children to their feet.
            3. Pensioner
              0
              23 August 2013 04: 16
              She sits at the window and sees only all sorts of "minuses" of the surrounding society and sees. And here she tells us. Like she is so good and correct, and all her compatriots are all bad around. The cheap popularity of the condemning gossip. Position: "Oh, who stands up for a defenseless girl on street? ". Therefore, she sits at home, cowardly watching everyone from the window and condemns everyone. Like all bad, but she herself is good. Wow, it would be better to sit silently. It’s you who are rolling into an unknown direction. And Russian men have pride and courage! But it’s not about your honor, if you’re shitting your own. You have the same nasty cowards and meet in life like you do. And there is nothing to offend all Russian men. If they are here to you, as normal men did not answer, then I will answer you. For my Russian brothers. For sons, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. And I will ask you, like a grandmother, like a mother, like a sister of all Russians. You are a snake. cheap.
            4. Cpa
              +2
              23 August 2013 05: 24
              Banal flirting with Caucasians, than many of our women sin. Bring up your daughters worthy, and do not meddle in raising your sons and everything will be a "Christmas tree". It is an unworthy technique to humiliate your men in the eyes of a representative of another nation in order to flatter his vanity.
          3. +8
            21 August 2013 23: 11
            What a "kindergarten"
            Russian People treat People Well ...
            You, Dear Magomed, have confirmed with this commentary that it is not in vain that you bear the title of Man. So honor and respect ...
            Once you know such an "elusive" category as justice, conscience, the desire for Good to others ...

            Nationalities, mosques, religions are conventions in your brain ...
            There are two categories on the planet: Humans and wildlife.
            Some "animals" are very much like People, they even talk, they even happen to be residents of companies, banks and states ...
            They are distinguished from Humans by a lack of conscience - they achieve their tasks -AT ANY COST....
            but this can never be done ...
            everything has its own "price", and human life is priceless ...
          4. +7
            22 August 2013 00: 33
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            But guys, the way you react to randomthe advantage in favor of the mosque showed how much we non-Russians are disgusting to you... Honestly ... I am destroyed ...

            Not true, Magomed, not true ... Yes, I am a Russian nationalist and by and large there are two nationalities for me; Russian and non-Russian. But! Maybe Russian .... Circassian Timur Shaov, Georgian Bagration, Mordvin Devyatayev and generally anyone who wants it.
            Not non-Russians disgust us, but ethno-Nazism. We are disgusted when a small but proud and belligerent mountain people impose on us their will, their behavior, their mosque as a symbol of Russia, to treat us with arrogance, arrogance and hatred. And we should not say that this random preponderance in favor of the mosque, you cover up the desire to impose someone else's will on us, mask the need for Caucasians to be above all, and even more so than Russians. The desire of Caucasians (Chechens and some of the Dagestan nationalities) to dominate everywhere and in everything is akin to the ideology of Nazism with its racial superiority. Only the superiority of the race is replaced by the superiority of the ethnic group and is not formulated by ideological theorists, but is a national feature and is brought up from childhood.
            As soon as the traditions of manifestation of Caucasian superiority are destroyed (I don’t know how, by war, separation or blockade, seizure of territory and harsh actions of other peoples and states), the rejection of Caucasians by Russians will disappear immediately.
            1. +2
              22 August 2013 10: 25
              Quote: Normal
              it’s not necessary to say that this is an accidental advantage in favor of the mosque, by this you cover the desire to impose someone else’s will on us, mask the need for Caucasians to be above all, and even more so above Russians.

              Impudent lie !!! The mosque really wins by chance, only because of the 100 million! Russian, even 10 million too lazy! vote for him, and if even 10% of Russians vote, then no other cultural monument will win, except for the Kolomna Kremlin! Even if Kadyrov buys everyone and everything !!!
              Caucasians do not want to be above all! Caucasians want to be equal and only equal! Just do not try to bring into the argument the Caucasian idiots-gopniks who are also gopniks in Africa, which does not mean that all Caucasians are completely gopniks! As soon as we make an attempt to become equal to the Russian in the moral and legal sense, we are declared all-Russian persecution, with completely unjust statements that we are upstarts and want to be above all! We stutter about equality, and the Russians instantly accuse us of striving for excellence! Isn't that hypocrisy ?! OR RUSSIANS, HONESTLY AND JUST, BEGIN WITH YOURSELF, TO ENSURE THE MORAL AND LEGAL EQUALITY OF ALL PEOPLES, OR PERSONALLY ME, FUCK DOESN'T NEED SUCH PEDIUM UNION !!!
              Vladimir, what do you think?
              1. 0
                22 August 2013 11: 50
                I already wrote - refresh the page and see how the counters change.
              2. +5
                22 August 2013 12: 14
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Vladimir, what do you think?

                Usually, habitually, arrogantly and deceitfully, as always, or almost always by the Caucasians.
                The points.
                The mosque really wins by chance,

                Impudent lie! The number of votes cast for the mosque exceeds the population of Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia and Kabardino-Balkaria taken together, including infants. it accidentally it happened?
                because out of 100 million! Russian, even 10 million too lazy! vote for him, and if even 10% of Russians vote, then no other cultural monument will win, except for the Kolomna Kremlin!

                The Russians vote not only for the Kolomna Kremlin, and the number of votes for all the proposed options exceeds the number of votes for the mosque.
                Caucasians do not want to be above all! Caucasians want to be equal and only equal!

                Impudent lie! Ask the young Caucasian (without cops and TV cameras) if he wants to be equal to Russian - get it in the eye! (if you yourself are not Caucasian)
                Just do not try to bring into the argument the Caucasian idiots-gopniks who are also gopniks in Africa, which does not mean that all Caucasians are completely gopniks!

                Well, of course! Rafik is no fault! Maybe your youth behaves with dignity, but not in Russia. But if they are gopniks in Russian cities, it means that they are brought up by you in the Caucasus.
                Your statements that Caucasians are white and fluffy only confirms that you constantly impose your opinion on us.
                We have our own, well-established and confirmed by dozens of examples opinion about Caucasians and we don’t need to breed us. Do not impose.
                As soon as we make an attempt to become equal to Russians in the moral and legal sense,

                Are Caucasians not equal to Russians in the legal and moral sense? What is this expressed in? Caucasians are discriminated against, they are not allowed into cafes and restaurants, they are not accepted to universities, they are not hired, they are not allowed to trade? Are Caucasians deprived of the right to vote and do not have the rights of Russian citizens?
                All-Russian persecution is declared against us, with completely unjust statements that we are upstart and want to be above all!

                That is, when the Caucasians kill Russians in Moscow or the Tatar in Pugachev, beat the deputy and threatens him with a pistol, break the skull of an operative while detaining their relative, accused of attempted rape, does the Caucasians only want to become equal to the Russian in the legal and moral sense? What bad are these Russians; they poison the quiet, calm and law-abiding Caucasians, unjustly consider them upstarts and blame them (completely unfounded!)
                striving for excellence! Isn't that hypocrisy ?!

                Of course hypocrisy! The usual Caucasian hypocrisy, the desire to impose their will and desire to assert their superiority over others. What you write only confirms my statements.
              3. +3
                22 August 2013 12: 17
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                OR RUSSIANS, HONESTLY AND JUST, STARTING WITH YOURSELF, TO ENSURE THE MORAL AND LEGAL EQUALITY OF ALL PEOPLES, OR PERSONALLY TO ME,

                There is no limit to your arrogance and conceit. It turns out the Russians have not yet begun. Dagestan and the Czech Republic, having relatively warm climate conditions for farming, oil, Caspian fish-caviar, mountains, tourism and resorts, roads and enterprises built by the Russians, are subsidized from the center and do not pay for gas and electricity. Having the opportunity, thanks to the Unified State Examination and quotas, for the admission of its youth to the best universities in the country, the Caucasus sends its scumbags and idlers to Russia, and when they come across it releases them according to parole. And with all this, declares
                FUCK DO NOT NEED SUCH A PEDIUM UNION !!!

                Yes it is Kostroma and Smolensk, Pskov and Voronezh, Vologda and Kaluga, Nizhny Novgorod and Omsk, Kirov and Novosibirsk, RUSSIA FUCK NOT NEED SUCH UNION WITH THE CAUCASUS!
                We tolerate and feed you only so as not to fight. But you do not calm down and still have to fight. You do not understand for good. For a long time you should have been given to Iran and Turkey. Here they would provide you with moral and legal equality.

                Magomed, but how do you think this?
                1. 0
                  22 August 2013 13: 16
                  If you do not find fault with individual distortions, then, a very harmonious opinion from a logical point of view! Although my opinion is no less slim, too.
                  And now about the main thing: is our Great Country with us all (if you don’t mind, let's pretend that it is) alone? - one! Any one nation with us should be more equal among the rest of the equal? - no! Need to stop the process of pulling the blankets? - Yes! View the meaning of the word JUSTICE in the Ozhegov dictionary is necessary for everyone? - necessary! Do you need to start building international relations fairly? - necessary!
                  Vladimir, are you with me? Or are you afraid to fall on your back if I let go of my piece of blanket?
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 16: 27
                    They do not give you Mohammed to unsubscribe me! Once again --- you will not deny our established world (I do not mean drunkenness is evil!) --- we (I in particular) are with all our souls !!!
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2013 16: 57
                      Denis, I'm sorry, to be honest, I did not understand you. Please explain your idea more broadly.
                      1. 0
                        22 August 2013 17: 14
                        Sorry Mohammed. What I wanted to say --- I was in Abkhazia, I didn’t insult them with a word! (Maybe you understand me). In life, I won’t believe that Lado will behave badly in Russia! He’s half Georgian, half Abkhaz. I have friends everywhere! Because they studied and lived in ONE GREAT country!
                  2. +2
                    22 August 2013 19: 50
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    If you do not find fault with individual distortions, then, a very harmonious opinion from a logical point of view!

                    Thank you.
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    Is it our country at all (if you don’t mind, let's pretend that this is so) alone? - one! Any one nation with us should be more equal among the rest of the equal? - no!

                    What kind of demagoguery, Magomed? What does equal mean? The Russians demand an equal attitude of the authorities (by no means Russian and representing non-Russian interests) to all the peoples of Russia, and in response he hears that Caucasians are more educated, brave, worthy people and therefore Russians should move in Russia. Despite the fact that the Russian population in the Caucasus is almost destroyed and continues to decline.
                    We have one country, but look at the map. What is written there on the largest country in the world? THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION No D A G E S T A N and K A B K A Z, Magomed, and the Russian Federation. That is, a federation created by Russia. Not Dagestan and the Caucasus, but Russia, that is, Russian people in the first place. And the Caucasus, if my memory serves me, was conquered and joined to Russia. Caucasus to Russia, Magomed, and not vice versa. Moreover, despite the fact that the Caucasus was given preferences, privileges and concessions not seen with respect to the conquered territories, the vast territories of the Caucasus are rebellious and K.T.O.
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    Vladimir, are you with me? Or are you afraid to fall on your back if I let go of my piece of blanket?

                    Let's agree that everyone should have their own blanket.
                    The Caucasus has it, a new one, warm and bought together by all Russian regions. So do not run under my blanket, to my daughters and wife, my frostbitten youth. Did you bring them up like that? Well, take them to yourself, such proud fair and educated. No work? Did they come to work in Russia?
                    No need to pull the blanket over yourself while screaming about the oppression of the Caucasus.
                    1. +1
                      22 August 2013 20: 47
                      Quote: Normal
                      and in response he hears that Caucasians are more educated, brave, worthy people and therefore Russians should move in Russia. Despite the fact that the Russian population in the Caucasus is almost destroyed and continues to decline.

                      - hmm .. even for the Russians it was insulting mechanically ... not everything is still lost in the soul ... I'm talking about fraternity ...
                      Quote: Normal
                      That is, a federation created by Russia. Not Dagestan and the Caucasus, but Russia, that is, Russian people in the first place.

                      - Well, here I am, about the same ... - Russians are more equal among equals ...
                      Quote: Normal
                      Let's agree that everyone should have their own blanket.

                      Quote: Normal
                      No need to pull the blanket over yourself while screaming about the oppression of the Caucasus.

                      - the idea is clear.
                      For your analysis - mind you, the mechanics of the counter-arguments in our dispute boil down to one thing - in Russia it is always, ostensibly (or maybe actually) the unfair position of one people in relation to another.
                      1. 0
                        22 August 2013 22: 34
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        For your analysis - mind you, the mechanics of the counter arguments in our dispute

                        I don’t have a systematic education, but I don’t have a desire to fumble on the network, so I can’t name the authors and quote literally well-known quotes;
                        "The most oppressed and powerless people in the empire are the titular people"
                        "In an empire, one must live in a province by the sea"
                        "I grant privileges to my younger children at the expense of my elders."
                        But I think that you will understand what kind of quotes we are talking about. If you want, you will find a lot of these.

                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        in Russia always, ostensibly (or maybe actually so) the unfair position of one people in relation to another.

                        Isn’t that so? Only you think that the situation of the oppressed Caucasians is unfair, and I believe that the situation of Caucasians is in no way worse than the situation of Russians. On the contrary, the Caucasus was granted the most favored nation treatment from all regions of Russia. But the Caucasus perceives this as a weakness of Russia and, after another concession, takes a step forward and starts to advance unreasonable claims from a new position.
                        What are we arguing about here at all? The article itself and the course of voting at the "Russia 10" competition indicate that several million Caucasians are imposing their opinions on the 100 million population of Russia. Is the mosque a symbol of Russia? Chechnya and Dagestan are not aware that Russia will not agree with this? Yes, Chechnya wanted to spit on the opinion of the Russians; Caucasus is power! And the necessary resources are mobilized to push through an option that is absolutely unacceptable for the majority. Even those more or less adequate who do not push this option personally, in every possible way justify this pushing. The fact is on the face! Why should I agree with this?
                      2. 0
                        23 August 2013 09: 13
                        Quote: Normal
                        Yes, Chechnya wanted to spit on the opinion of Russian
                        - Vladimir, you are so confidently shouting about it, as if it was an unshakable truth ... And I think you are wrong.
                        Quote: Normal
                        Even those who are more or less adequate who do not push this option personally, justify this push in every way. Fact on the face!

                        -Vladimir, are you manipulating with loud words? This is a "fact" that you and people like you need. In fact, no one is pushing anything in a special way. It's just that both there and there, whoever is interested, cheat as they can, voting repeatedly. And in general, Vladimir, stop, you saw that I can argue in your obstinate style ... And we will have an eternal draw ... Do we need it? We must look for compromises friend, compromises!
                2. +1
                  22 August 2013 16: 00
                  Quote: Normal
                  For a long time you should have been given to Iran and Turkey. Here they would provide you with moral and legal equality.

                  Give as Circassians, without territories, let everyone come, seek equality in Iran and Turkey.
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 16: 48
                    Freak ... aw ... you read fantasy ... it’s harmful ... How it won’t be with the Circassians ... If Dagestan no longer likes the laws of the Russian Federation, then Russia will have to move the sea borders to the mouth of the Volga, and land to the region of Stavropol! At the same time removing the fleet and army. Do not you agree? Do you think to check, let me know.
                    1. +1
                      22 August 2013 17: 26
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      Do not you agree?

                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      Freak ...

                      You are just a fool.
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      As with the Circassians will not ...

                      More as it will be.
                      Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                      Russia will have to push the sea borders to the mouth of the Volga, and land to the Stavropol region!

                      Actually, here it is your anti-Russian worldview, your dream of the collapse of Russia.
                      1. +2
                        22 August 2013 19: 11
                        Quote: Setrac
                        Actually, here it is your anti-Russian worldview, your dream of the collapse of Russia.
                        - no, but what, insulting .. well done .. did not expect. Only now, you know, now the questions are the worst to eat .. - do I need Russia at all, do I need to love it, and for what, do I love Russia ..?
                        Quote: Setrac
                        You are just a fool.
                        - and I often think about it ...
                        You know brother, forgive me, okay, I'm in my uncouth style, I didn’t even think that you can be young .., no, I don’t say that I’m kind of wiser than you, etc., you just know, I’m from that the generation that went to the district showdowns in a mixed national composition. Then, we had no chocks, no ingots, or other otherworldly strength .. And now ...
                        By the way, pay attention to the fact that the older generation does not interfere in this dispute on the site, they prefer to be silent. Do you know why? Because, they understand, the national question in Russia is such a deep shit that even at the level of government they are afraid to take it seriously ...
              4. 0
                22 August 2013 14: 03
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                As soon as we make an attempt to become equal Russian in the moral and legal sense

                I am embarrassed to ask - where and in what way are Caucasians disadvantaged in the moral and legal sense? So much so that one must make an attempt to become equal.
                You do not even eat)))
                1. -2
                  22 August 2013 14: 56
                  Shyness (shyness, shyness) - the state of the psyche and the behavior of animals and humans caused by it, the characteristic features of which are: indecision, timidity, tension, stiffness and awkwardness in society due to self-doubt or lack of social skills.
                  Have you been in the know? Only - honestly ...
                  Talk about symbolism? For example, in the village council building of my village, the Russian tricolor flutters. The question is - why should a symbol that historically is not mine be waving at my place? Why should the Russian ancient sign be the symbol of Russia? No, no problem - the symbol is beautiful, flawless! I am personally satisfied! I agree to accept the symbol of the brotherly people! But why, when they choose a national symbol, say, the next time, the Russian is outraged when the opportunity to choose a symbol close to my soul is on the agenda? Don't I relate to Russia? Are my values ​​not equivalent to the values ​​of Russian? I understand that in a country where there are more Russians than all, it should be in Russian - rightly! But the values ​​of national minorities do not have a right to exist at all? Even sometimes?
                  1. +1
                    22 August 2013 15: 55
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    Have you been in the know? Only - honestly ...

                    Nope, it wasn’t.
                    I periodically use a bunch of words "I'm ashamed to ask" to start a conversation, without any subtext.
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    Why should I have a symbol in my house that historically is not mine?

                    For God's sake, hang the flag of your village next to you. Who is bothering?
                    Ancestors swore allegiance to Russia? So the symbol is historically yours as well. Or were they conquered by brute force and symbols imposed against them and your will?
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    But why, when they choose a national symbol, say, the next time, the Russian is outraged when the opportunity to choose a symbol close to my soul is on the agenda?

                    The Russian is outraged not by the possibility of choice, but by a somewhat unfair gathering of votes.
                    I will not argue that the way it is, because I do not own reliable data and do not personally monitor the situation. But there is such an opinion.
                    My personal opinion is that a remake cannot be a state symbol. Historically, nothing is connected with him and the state.
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    Are my values ​​not equivalent to the values ​​of Russian?

                    Equivalent, I do not argue. But what relation do they have to the symbol of the state, built mainly by labor, then by the blood of the Russian people?
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2013 16: 31
                      Quote: antiaircrafter
                      The Russian is outraged not by the possibility of choice, but by a somewhat unfair gathering of votes. I won’t say that it is so.
                      - No, you are a little wrong - the vote, technically, most likely passes correctly, because the Muslims of Russia, not only the Chechens, are likely to vote Muslims from all over Russia for the mosque. In my opinion, the injustice lies in the fact that the Russians cannot consolidate vote for one object in Russia, let them concentrate their votes and choose the most beautiful and worthy for the Russians.
                      Quote: antiaircrafter
                      But what relation do they have to the symbol of the state, built mainly by labor, then by the blood of the Russian people?
                      - Fair. But then, let the Russian rulers, not always assert that all nations within are equally related to the state of Russia.
                      1. +2
                        22 August 2013 18: 11
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        the vote, technically, is likely to go right,

                        I would not say.
                        The possibility of multiple voting from one IP and sending SMS from one number to the same object somehow does not fit with the correctness of the technical organization of voting.
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        But then, let the Russian rulers, not always assert that all nations within are equally related to the state of Russia.

                        Are you in the state voluntarily? It means that you have an equal attitude to the state, like any other citizen.
                        The fact that the values ​​of a particular person are not symbols of the state, well, that’s how it happened historically. Dagestanis will do something really significant on a state scale - we will put your symbols in the number of state ones.

                        I consider this a provocation as a vote - at first they brought the mosque into the lead, now various articles appear (with the thought - how can it be !!!) that clash Muslims and Russians.
                      2. +2
                        22 August 2013 18: 40
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        multiple voting from one IP and sending SMS from one number for the same object
                        - if so, then it would be very mean ...
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        The fact that the values ​​of a particular person are not symbols of the state, well, that’s how it happened historically.

                        -))) Are you kidding, of course, exquisitely ... And if the values ​​of a particular ethnic group, or denomination ..?
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        Dagestanis will do something really significant on a state scale - we will put your symbols in the number of state ones.

                        - Well now, I see (let's not talk about my vision) glimpses of justice. Such a thesis, for example, is quite acceptable to me.
                      3. +1
                        22 August 2013 19: 30
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        And if the values ​​of a particular ethnic group, or denomination ..?

                        In the emblem of the USSR were mentioned all the republics.
                        The Federation Council has representatives of Dagestan.
                        Design a coat of arms and flag - insert a sentence. Consider a popular referendum, make a decision. As we vote, so be it.
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        - if so, then it would be very mean ...

                        This is true. I could not resist, I tried. Clearly, not for a mosque.
                        Yes, I read it - someone writes that he votes every day.
                      4. sleepy
                        0
                        23 August 2013 02: 58
                        Quote: antiaircrafter
                        "I consider this voting a provocation - at first they made the mosque a leader, now various articles appear
                        (with a thought - why so !!!), clashing Muslims
                        and Russians. "


                        This principle - "divide and conquer" - is quite old,
                        but successfully applied so far.
                      5. 0
                        22 August 2013 18: 18
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        In my opinion, the injustice lies in the fact that the Russians cannot consolidate vote for one object in Russia, let them concentrate their votes and choose the most beautiful and worthy for the Russians.

                        It is an injustice that many ONE Muslim mosques are capitalized against ONE Muslim mosque (this shrine cannot be called a shrine), thus dispersing the voices of Russians among many applicants, is this a false poll and the winner will be despised, do you want this for your mosque?
                      6. +3
                        22 August 2013 19: 27
                        And .. we are already on you .. it’s already inconvenient somehow ((Well, okay.

                        I, too, will not respect the false winner.
                      7. Cpa
                        +1
                        23 August 2013 00: 08
                        In Dagestan there are UNESCO monuments, time-tested and respected by the entire population. For example, the fortress in Derbent, in my opinion, is a worthy symbol from the Caucasus instead of a remake. An article provokes public opinion. Reasonable people do not lead to this. Do not worry, spoiling the relationship will be even more difficult .I propose a compromise, make a symbol of a mountain of worship. hi
                      8. +1
                        23 August 2013 09: 19
                        Quote: KPA
                        I suggest a compromise, to make a symbol of a mountain of worship.

                        - that would certainly be good. Yes, let the Kolomna Kremlin be, it’s very beautiful.
              5. +1
                22 August 2013 15: 56
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                OR PERSONALLY TO ME, FUCK DOESN'T NEED SUCH PEDIUM UNION !!!

                Suitcase-station-Turkey - for anyone who does not want to be part of Russia, remember the Circassians before throwing such statements, it will not end well for you
                1. 0
                  22 August 2013 16: 09
                  I, at home, in Dagestan! And at my place, there will be those rules that seem interesting to me! How do you understand, moron?
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 18: 19
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    How do you understand, moron?

                    Yes, you went ....
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2013 19: 23
                      I apologize, above ...
                      1. +1
                        22 August 2013 19: 28
                        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                        I apologize, above ...

                        Sorry, I updated the page late!
                      2. sleepy
                        +1
                        23 August 2013 03: 08
                        Dialogues resemble something from childhood.



                        PS Maybe humor will stop enmity?
                      3. 0
                        23 August 2013 09: 51
                        Thank you, Sergey! ))))) Damn, and really ... I felt like a fool ...
            2. 0
              22 August 2013 11: 49
              Yes, you do not directly take some of his expressions. ))) He just loves to jerk, humor and express himself sarcastically. )) The style is))
          5. +1
            22 August 2013 02: 20
            much more?
          6. +1
            22 August 2013 11: 46
            Man, there is no hatred. They just cheat on the mosque, and again they give reason to be indignant - again "privilege" and again "Caucasus". Everyone understands that by the number of those who REALLY are behind the mosque, well, it cannot be the first in any way.
            The mosque is also beautiful, it’s stupid to argue, but it, in this case and in the first place of the rating, has become not a beautiful building, but a symbol of another flirting in front of the Caucasus - now the organizers of the competition. So people see it.
            1. 0
              22 August 2013 13: 25
              Mairos, my friend, there is no hatred among people like us. But such as Normaldisagree with us.
          7. -2
            22 August 2013 13: 35
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            Russians, us, Unterman, will crush and despise even more!

            Learn to cook and eat ...
            hee hee ..
            1. -1
              22 August 2013 15: 38
              No, well, buddy, are you seriously ..?! No .. I can’t ...
              1. +1
                22 August 2013 18: 16
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                I can't do that ...

                And the two eccentrics who put me cons are probably ready to eat a Dagestan ... maybe even without onions and without salt, since they have not learned how to cook.
                1. 0
                  22 August 2013 19: 24
                  )))))) haha ​​...
                  No, well, don’t say that either, minus, including mine, to you, for an unscrupulous (as it seemed) laugh ...
                  1. 0
                    22 August 2013 20: 19
                    A chuckle merely indicates the frivolity of fasting.
                    By the way, about the congress - this is from your posts in from yesterday's topic.
                    In general, an attempt at a joke.
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2013 20: 57
                      Accepted.)))))
      2. Gladiatir-zlo
        0
        22 August 2013 21: 51
        Ah, well done, you sir, judging by the flag from Geyropa, live by the principle I meet by clothes, and finally I can’t see you off. Excellent position, understandable, good luck on the Islamic continent of Europastan. And we have to think hard, to act, to give birth to children, so that every Russian peasant has three four children, and so that he, not hoping for school and the state, educates them, independent, hardworking, free men. And to symbols that are alien to us, there will be freedom of the spirit, and after it freedom of action will come.
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    3. Skiff
      +11
      21 August 2013 15: 27

      The selection of the main monuments will be held in three stages. Until the end of June, users selected from seven hundred objects from all over the country. The second stage included only eighty attractions: ten from each federal district. You can vote by SMS or on the competition website - three votes are accepted from one IP address per day (it doesn’t matter for one or for different objects). In the first case, one message worth about 3,5 rubles is equivalent to three votes, the number of such messages is not limited. September 1, 30 most popular participants will go to the finals. There, the voices collected before this will be reset to zero, and the winner as such will no longer be: the fight will be fought for getting into the top ten. Voting will end on September 29th.

      Below is a screenshot of Ramzan Kadyrov’s Instagram page
      So we vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, since such pretzels come out.
      1. +20
        21 August 2013 18: 06
        DIAL "RUSSIA 10" AND VOTE IN A DAY UP TO 3 TIMES! NOT THEN YOUR CHILDREN WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA IS A MUSLIM MOSQUE! stop
        1. +2
          21 August 2013 19: 33
          BECAUSE YOUR CHILDREN WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA THE MUSLIM MOSQUE!

          You are there with a Nagly flag explain to your children NOWwhy the most popular name is "MUHAMED" in naglia.
          Yes, admire "your" team in any sport!
          1. +5
            21 August 2013 19: 39
            You can fasten this flag to your fifth point, you have already lifted it. I have nothing to do with it - I live in Novosibirsk! Understand the Mohammed.
            1. -4
              21 August 2013 20: 29
              You can fasten this flag to your fifth point, you have already lifted it.

              He doesn’t need me, it’s you who flaunts under him.
          2. +2
            21 August 2013 19: 42
            Quote: zennon
            We are there with the English flag, explain to your children NOW why the most popular name in Naglia is "MUHAMED".

            Yes, it will soon be the most popular everywhere, and especially in places with Western values.
        2. prophetic
          +6
          21 August 2013 19: 59
          I posted a status in my classmates with an appeal to friends to vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, so hell who paid attention. It is more important for them to grow cucumbers not on online game farms, and then they will really whine "like a mosque and a symbol of Russia."
          we Russians have a lot of symbols, voices have diverged, and a bunch of Chechens vote for one mosque, and it’s not a fact that it is such a sight, if only for them. And in our history there were many glorious days and many symbols, and besides There are many temples and cultural monuments throughout the country. Our culture is known to the whole world, and there is no need to prove anything, but Chechens ... Chechens are known for being terrorists, murderers and animals, and no vote will remove this seal from them. Let are self-conscious and admire imaginary culture
          1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            +2
            21 August 2013 22: 35
            Why is the star one? Brother? Four must be agree?
      2. +2
        22 August 2013 00: 27
        named after Akhmat Kadyrov at the expense of the Chechen administration
        09.03.2013, 20: 46 | "Newspaper.Ru"
        Israel has been building a mosque named after Akhmat Kadyrov for four years at the expense of the Chechen administration, the Russian News Service reports.

        “The site of the local council in Abu Ghosh has all the documents of the planning committee. By law, they must be put on public display. In technical terms, the construction of this mosque, which was started back in 2009, has a total size of 3500 square meters, ”the correspondent of RSN in Israel reports.

        According to him, foreign funds are often attracted in the country for the construction of various facilities. So, several stadiums were built with the money of Arab sheikhs.

        “This is a normal procedure. Apparently, the money ran out at a certain stage, this construction lasted four years. This is only welcomed, no one is looking for any background, ”the radio station employee emphasized.

        In Abu Ghosh, where it is believed that descendants of Chechens live, there is already a street named after the father of the current head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, according to RSN.

        In December, the republic’s government announced that a capsule laying ceremony was underway in the Chechen city of Shali for the construction of the Ramzan Kadyrov Mosque, which will accommodate about 10 thousand people.
    4. +5
      21 August 2013 20: 22
      Gentlemen, I have a brilliant plan ...

      The situation is as follows: WE GO IN AND VOTE FOR KOLOMENSKY KREMLIN, POSSIBLE 3 TIMES.
      Afiget logic, huh? I also check out))
      Russia is not Khachestan, so let's prove this to Comrade. Kaaadyrov ... stop
      1. +4
        21 August 2013 20: 28
        Quote: Interface
        Russia is not Khachestan, so let's prove this to Comrade. Kaaadyrov ...

        But Kadyrov is not a Christian in order to be a khach. Khach is a cross and has nothing to do with Muslims. And for inciting ethnic hatred, your comment should be deleted.
    5. Ruslan_F38
      +2
      22 August 2013 10: 28
      Quote: makst83
      They wind up their voices, it's as old as the world! They showed on TV how they all were brought in to the polling stations in droves (no other than a herd) and they voted, even people ignorant of this! I don’t see any historical or architectural delights in this building! Yes it will not be! Everyone took and voted, 3 times on the site and sending SMS from the phone - is it really that hard !? Give the Kolomna Kremlin a symbol of Russia!


      In general, the symbol of Russia for the whole world and for the majority of Russians is the Moscow Kremlin, and for this you don't even need to vote. And regarding the Chechen mosque, or will it be, Tatarstan is the third capital of Russia, the Chechen mosque is the symbol of Russia, Akhmat Kadyrov is apparently the main hero of Russia, etc. Let Putin flirt even more with the national republics and clans, let him further saturate the thieves' national "elites" - we will finish the game - they will move the capital to Grozny. People wake up!
    6. 416sd
      +1
      22 August 2013 12: 56
      Before I answer, I ask you to understand me correctly - even though I am a Muslim (not only by blood, but also in terms of beliefs and daily morality), I understand the pain of the author. It is good that Russia, as an empire, creates opportunities for Muslims to build their temples. But it’s ridiculous when a mosque becomes a symbol of Russia.

      And actually I wanted to answer: WHY THE RUSSIANS DO NOT GET EXACTLY THE SAME (cheat, crowds traveling on buses to vote, etc.)? Didn’t understand what would happen? Laziness? Apathy? Lack of interest? What's the matter?
      1. +3
        22 August 2013 14: 30
        Quote: 416sd
        AND WHY THE RUSSIANS DO NOT GET EXACTLY THE SAME (cheat, crowds on buses going to vote, etc.

        Quote: 416sd
        What is it?

        In Honesty of the Russian people !!!
  2. +16
    21 August 2013 15: 05
    Selling government.
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  3. +2
    21 August 2013 15: 07
    Mdya and the mosque is really beautiful. And the lighting technicians did a good job.
  4. AK-47
    +14
    21 August 2013 15: 08
    Chechnya, in the full sense, is the national state of the Chechen people - mono-ethnic and rigidly defending the interests of ethnic Chechens.

    If only Russia would behave like that.
    1. +23
      21 August 2013 15: 10
      The officials have all sold out, they don’t care about the Russians, they praise everyone and they demand everyone to think about them, and it’s not customary to think about Russians. And if the Russian also offends the article to him, it just looks like a betrayal.
      1. +19
        21 August 2013 15: 13
        Absolutely right! It is not for nothing that Article 282 "Incitement to hatred or enmity, as well as humiliation of human dignity" is called a Russian article!
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        2. -12
          21 August 2013 16: 55
          Zhenya and makst83, you weren’t seen here before, and here you’ve almost evenly divided the stars, and the opinions are identical for both, and you cover each other, and registration is December 2012 for both, and the appearance is simultaneous.
          In my opinion, you are the only person involved in provocations.
          1. +11
            21 August 2013 17: 02
            afire Your look is fundamentally wrong. I live in Moscow, can I describe my area? I myself see you for the first time, I can attribute the same thing to you, but what's the point? that is, if I support the Russian people and against Islamization, am I a provocateur?
            Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!
            1. -1
              21 August 2013 17: 29
              Quote: Marrying

              Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!

              it would be better to shut your mouth, provocateur, in your head instead of brains, only that the chocks are to blame for everything.
              And the fact that WE became weaklings, incapable of adequate actions and behaving like that woodpecker with a camera on the balcony, filming how chocks danced in his yard at 12 at night, you said nothing.
              WHO ALLOWED THEM ??? - OUR ON ... ISM !!!! what prevented him from going out? he is weak by will, which is why they use us as they want, absolutely any nationalities can do this and no one will tell them anything! It's just that these people have no respect for the Gentile. And we don’t vaccinate him, because ssym.
            2. +5
              21 August 2013 19: 51
              Quote: Marrying
              that is, if I support the Russian people and against Islamization, am I a provocateur?

              What's the use? It is necessary that the Russian people support themselves. And from your support it becomes a pity for ourselves, and that look snot go. What do our children see? Like parents at home in the kitchen scolding chocks, and on the street you yourself know the language where, and look somewhere to the side, and add a step if suddenly what. BUT? Fine? In the kitchen and on the net, everything is so real, damn it ...
            3. tverskoi77
              0
              22 August 2013 11: 41
              Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!

              there are such "Kremlin trolls".
              Moreover, under the word Kremlin I hope you understand that it’s not Kolomensky)))
          2. +6
            21 August 2013 17: 37
            And you have evidence that I am engaged in provocations and I am one and the same person with a respected FRAUD, otherwise you will be recognized as a person who is not responsible for your words and just a balabol! Yes, and I live, unlike ZHENI, in the city of Perm!
            1. -7
              21 August 2013 17: 45
              oh already here how fast.
              let's stop (those) this booth.
              By the way, you seem like a balabol
              1. 0
                21 August 2013 18: 14
                evidence in the studio! About the balobol, what am I sick of !?
          3. vlrosch
            +2
            21 August 2013 17: 59
            I wonder why some former bandit (I don’t know the nationality) is hiding behind Russian symbolism, has it become Russified or something?
            1. +2
              21 August 2013 22: 09
              I sent you my coordinates in PM, I hope to see here a refutation of your vlrosch statement about me
            2. 0
              22 August 2013 12: 15
              You shouldn’t be so. Afire sincerely worries about both Russia and the Russians. Just .. well, it is expressed in a one-sided self-flagellation.)) He locked himself in the negative, unfortunately.
      2. +9
        21 August 2013 18: 43
        And where do you see "Russian officials ...." !!!! ??? Where children and money are, there is their world. hi
    2. +4
      22 August 2013 01: 16
      Chechnya, during an election vote, gives over 90% of the required votes to the Kremlin.
      Hence all the concessions.
  5. +14
    21 August 2013 15: 14
    I myself voted for Mamaev Kurgan and Motherland.
  6. Yoke
    +32
    21 August 2013 15: 15
    and here I am from Kolomna, my grandmother is from Bogoroditsk. It was very nice to see and feel that your small homeland is becoming the new symbols of Russia. And then this mosque suddenly appeared ... At first he laughed to himself, like "with our tolerasts they will choose a new symbol of the mosque." Che is not a laughing matter already (
  7. +6
    21 August 2013 15: 19
    Voted 3 times for the Kremlin. I myself also prefer the motherland, but from the principle that there is no tolerance, what kind of word is.
  8. +14
    21 August 2013 15: 23
    Stupid is the election. A country as large as Russia cannot have one symbol. I have nothing against the Kolomna Kremlin, the Mamayev Kurgan, the statue of Motherland (which, incidentally, is in a very poor state with the threat of collapse), or the brand-new Chechen mosque. But at the same time, it is much more likely to name at least 100 places at least that could become national symbols - along with others, and not the first among equal.
  9. +12
    21 August 2013 15: 24
    It’s unclean here that something is clear with these voting ..
    The cost of voting for the same mosque “Heart of Chechnya” is 3 rubles with copecks (it differs depending on the telephone service provider).
    This is the whole point .. Ramzan did not stint clearly ..
    1. stroporez
      +9
      21 August 2013 16: 05
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ..Ramzan did not stint obviously ..
      but why should he skimp ?????? babosy end (sho is not likely in itself) he still requires from Vova .......
    2. +10
      21 August 2013 18: 42
      not ramzan stint, money from the Russian budget, which is transferred to the budget of Chechnya, and then pocketed)) the cost of Kadyrov’s motorcade is more than the budget of any Russian region)))
      1. +5
        21 August 2013 19: 21
        Quote: lonely
        the cost of Kadyrov’s motorcade is greater than the budget of any Russian region)))

        Yes, there is no countryman, here the Russian bureaucrats are not inferior to him, the only difference is that Ramzan is doing too much to show, but these are not showing off so that's all))
        1. +6
          21 August 2013 22: 28
          right, the roof is his Putin)))
  10. Warrawar
    +24
    21 August 2013 15: 28
    It's all sad. Now there are a lot of "Eurasians" who insist that there is no Russian people, but there is only some kind of mythical "Russian, imperial ideology" or something like that.
    But the Russian people exist, exist as an ethnic group and as a cultural and ideological phenomenon. But the fact that the Russian people do not have their own land and their own country is true.
    The current Russian Federation consists of national republics, among which there is not one Russian. It turns out that the Russian people are like a "guest" on a foreign land, from which they will be kicked out at the first opportunity, by analogy with the scenario with the Caucasus (Grozny is a Russian city built by General Yermolov).
    And the Russian Federation itself is hardly like a state. Rather, it is like a courtyard filled with random people who see each other for the first and last time and are not obliged to each other.
  11. +4
    21 August 2013 15: 30
    Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque
    1. Warrawar
      +28
      21 August 2013 15: 33
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque

      Russians didn’t choose ... Russians in general, by and large, didn’t care about what kind of contest there was (the majority are sure that they didn’t even hear about it). But the Chechens have a sore point, they are not busy with anything else but to vote for their favorite mosque, and with Russian money sent to them in the form of subsidies.
      1. +12
        21 August 2013 15: 52
        Quote: Warrawar
        Russians didn’t choose ... Russians in general, by and large, didn’t care

        Most likely it’s all the same, and the Russian people do not divide their country according to some cultural values. For a truly Russian, Russia is one and all that there is is perfect and admirable!
        (I do not mean politicians - here we only shudder and do not stop wondering)
        1. Warrawar
          +12
          21 August 2013 16: 06
          Quote: Ruswolf
          Most likely it doesn't matter

          I do not care, I vote every day in this contest.

          Quote: Ruswolf
          . For a truly Russian, Russia is one and all that there is is perfect and admirable!

          For me this is no longer the case. Perhaps I would admire the whole of Russia, perhaps even the same mosque of A. Kadyrov. If I hadn’t seen numerous examples of the swine / inhuman behavior of the nationalities that represent this same mosque (and all other mosques).
          So at the moment, some parts of Russia disgust me.
          1. +7
            21 August 2013 17: 15
            Do you know! No wonder!
            After all, even our nationality Russianreplaced with a residence permit - citizen of the Russian Federation
            So that we have a little more rights than gastrobayter.
            1. -9
              21 August 2013 19: 23
              Quote: Ruswolf
              So that we have a little more rights than gastrobayter.

              What are you whiners who like to translate arrows, they have fewer rights than migrant workers fool
            2. +5
              21 August 2013 21: 46
              "Citizen of the Russian Federation" is another invention of the liberal democrats; they make those "Ivanov who do not remember kinship" from us. We will not forget!
          2. -3
            21 August 2013 18: 00
            Quote: Warrawar
            If I hadn’t seen numerous examples of the swine / inhuman behavior of the nationalities that represent this same mosque (and all other mosques).
            So at the moment, some parts of Russia disgust me.

            Such phenomena as organized crime, money laundering and drank dough, "swinish behavior" is typical for all peoples, and not only for Chechens.
        2. 0
          21 August 2013 21: 43
          Greetings to you, Alex. I share your opinion, but not to divide Russia into pieces, this is the 1st, this is the 2nd, and this is not in any place. ONE and INDIVIDUAL - and forever and ever!
      2. soldier's grandson
        +8
        21 August 2013 16: 54
        they have in Chechnya and Putin voted more than 100%
      3. 0
        21 August 2013 19: 01
        I agree, they lit up snot here, "offended" by the Chechens, the authorities and Putin in particular.
      4. +5
        21 August 2013 21: 37
        Dear Vladislav, inventions of T. Channel-2 ordinary idiocy. That invented the names of Russia, then here's a new project for you. How can the GREAT COUNTRY select 10 (ten) characters? The inventors - put in a common carriage and ride from St. Petersburg to Vladik-bitch children, take a look: Valdai, Volga, Kazan, Ufa, Perm, ......... further Siberia and Amur ..... to Baikal and Great The ocean. What URODs came up with this? And what did they think when they proposed to name NAMES of Russia? I can name 10, 100, 1000 and 1 names. But I will never say which one is more dear to me. I cherish RUSSIA
    2. +6
      21 August 2013 16: 39
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque

      And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        -1
        21 August 2013 16: 58
        As far as I know, 2 mosques in Moscow, there were about 50 thousand Muslims in Uzuyram Bayram. For a long time I was persuaded by this, as over 12 million Russians were afraid of the 50 thousandth crowd.
        1. +2
          21 August 2013 21: 51
          And huli did you steal? In Moscow, Russian on a Muslim with a scalpel will not go
        2. +1
          22 August 2013 13: 08
          Sunrise, well you are hot))
          Firstly, no one was scared.
          Secondly, where did you see 12 million Russians in Moscow?
      2. +4
        21 August 2013 19: 24
        Quote: treskoed
        And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?

        Well, how much did they build ?? Enlighten.
        1. +2
          21 August 2013 20: 07
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          In Moscow, as far as I know, 2 mosques

          Quote: Yeraz
          Well, how much did they build ?? Enlighten

          There are currently six mosques in Moscow. It is planned to build two more names of Shamil and Kadyrov.
          1. +3
            21 August 2013 21: 54
            Nicholas, and who wondered, how many churches were destroyed in Serbia, the Caucasus and most recently in Egypt
      3. +5
        21 August 2013 20: 03
        And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?

        Yes, anyone:
        According to the Russian Muftis Council (CMR), the king of Saudi Arabia has launched an initiative to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center in Moscow. The Russian Muftis Council welcomed the initiative to build a mosque.

        Why permission?
        Anton Paleyev, chairman of the commission for public associations and religious organizations of the Moscow City Duma, confirmed that in Moscow there is a need for churches, including mosques.

        For whom?
    3. +3
      21 August 2013 19: 47
      Of the Russian Orthodox, only 15 percent go to church, and only 2 percent take part in all services. Most Russians only come to church for Christmas, baptism, and Easter. And on the Trinity everyone runs to the cemetery, although there is Parent Saturday for this.
      1. +2
        21 August 2013 21: 56
        Russian people do not stick out religiosity. Islam educates ... otherwise Do you know how?
    4. vlum
      +1
      21 August 2013 22: 27
      Generally speaking, any mass event of this kind is "vote, don't vote - you will get it anyway ..."

      When such media gadgets are used in the interests of show business, then all the results, regardless of the person of the particular winning showman, focus on the money earned during the voting process. Just before this contest, there were successful First Channel projects, with the declared write-off of all income from SMS to charity.

      But in this competition, the goal is to demonstrate what ?! Indeed, the thought comes of some kind of destructiveness of the idea of ​​putting up something that is very fraught with ... a kind of veiled provocation.
    5. Ruslan_F38
      0
      22 August 2013 10: 37
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque


      I don’t think they have chosen, it’s just that people don’t vote, and the “Czechs” vote forcibly - their “god” Ramzan politely asked. ”One cannot ignore their herd national identity and highland megalomania. and the problem will be solved in a week.
  12. +3
    21 August 2013 15: 36
    Now let’s do it without hysteria. Good? Themselves for Putin and United Russia so now and don’t complain. As they sing on the first channel: “Come on Russia, come on, come on! Come on beautifully! “And the most interesting thing is that the man in whose honor the mosque is named called for the killing of Russians, and the mosque was built with Russian money. Well, if this does not awaken us as a nation, it is worthless to the Russians as a nation.
    1. +9
      21 August 2013 16: 05
      I did not vote for Putin and Edro. Voted for the Communists. All my relatives and friends too. As a result, Edru just voiced the wind.
      I live in the Volgograd region - the most disadvantaged region of Russia. Small salaries, huge prices, complete lack of rights.
      1. stroporez
        +7
        21 August 2013 16: 12
        it is. almost all my life I lived in Yamal, I just moved to the Volgograd region. something is not clear ----- salaries - once in a tavern go to the menu to look, and prices are the same as in Yamal ..... ..
        1. +2
          21 August 2013 16: 23
          But in the Caucasus emit a lot of dough.
          1. +3
            21 August 2013 19: 51
            Allocated 38 billion to Chechnya. To repair the Bolshoi Theater 58 billion. It is necessary to steal less from the homeland.
      2. soldier's grandson
        +1
        21 August 2013 16: 55
        I am also against edra and Putin, I am for the Communist Party
  13. +22
    21 August 2013 15: 36
    Tolerance rotten the phenomenon is not born today. It used to be called internationalism. And the tsar openly distributed privileges to the nationalities of Finland, Poland, the Baltic states, Caucasians, and Central Asians.
    To the detriment of his people. It's time to understand that strangers from their concessions will not become their own, but will only become impudent.
  14. +14
    21 August 2013 15: 38
    Quote: Warrawar
    The current Russian Federation consists of national republics, among which there is more than one Russian.


    I do not agree, do not humiliate yourself in public. Tver, Ryazan, Rostov, Kostroma, Kaluga, Bryansk, Tula, Oryol, Belgorod, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Novgorod, Smolensk, Pskov, Yaroslavl, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Vologda, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk - continue the list - these are all Russian lands, and they are no less and no weaker than the republics of which you speak.
    Russians are divided - this is the main problem. What happens when we unite in the name of a common goal, I think everyone is in the know.
    1. Warrawar
      +10
      21 August 2013 15: 41
      Quote: Stiletto
      I do not agree, do not humiliate yourself in public. Tver, Ryazan, Rostov, Kostroma, Kaluga, Bryansk, Tula, Oryol, Belgorod, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Novgorod, Smolensk, Pskov, Yaroslavl, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Vologda, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk - continue the list - these are all Russian lands, and they are no less and no weaker than the republics of which you speak.
      Russians are divided - this is the main problem. What happens when we unite in the name of a common goal, I think everyone is in the know.

      You forgot Moscow and Peter))
      And you didn’t quite catch my thought - I understand that all these cities that you have listed are Russian. But this is not documented where it is not fixed. But nat. republics, on the contrary, are officially considered ethnic reserves.
      1. +10
        21 August 2013 15: 57
        You forgot Moscow and Peter))

        No, I have not forgotten. Otherwise, they will object to me with a well-known joke:
        -Girl, are you a native Muscovite?
        -Well, of course!
        -And where did they come to Moscow?

        Unfortunately, the beloved city is increasingly turning into Moskabbad ... Alas.
        1. Warrawar
          +9
          21 August 2013 16: 11
          Quote: Stiletto
          You forgot Moscow and Peter))

          No, I have not forgotten. Otherwise, they will object to me with a well-known joke:
          -Girl, are you a native Muscovite?
          -Well, of course!
          -And where did they come to Moscow?

          Unfortunately, the beloved city is increasingly turning into Moskabbad ... Alas.

          Understand this and the whole subtlety. Today you do not call Moscow and St. Petersburg Russian cities, but you call them masquabad and Leninbad. And tomorrow, by the same principle, agree with the names: Novosibirskobad, Pskov-aul, Vladimir-Saray, Arkhangelsk-Uryuk, Yaroslavl-Halal and so on.
          1. +2
            21 August 2013 16: 15
            [/ Quote]
            Understand this and the whole subtlety. Today you do not call Moscow and St. Petersburg Russian cities, but you call them masquabad and Leninbad. And tomorrow, by the same principle, agree with the names: Novosibirskobad, Pskov-aul, Vladimir-saray, Ivanovobad, Yaroslavl-halal and so on. [/ Quote]

            You know, I can not argue anything in this place, you are certainly right ... unfortunately. And there is.
            1. Warrawar
              +4
              21 August 2013 16: 24
              Quote: Stiletto
              You know, I can not argue anything in this place, you are certainly right ... unfortunately. And there is.

              By the way, according to Wikipedia, 91% of the population of Moscow and 92% of the population of St. Petersburg are Russians, but this is true without regard to illegal migrants.

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
              %B5_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D1%8B#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.BE.D0.BD.D0
              .B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B9_.D1.81.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B2

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
              %B5_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%82-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1
              %80%D0%B3%D0%B0
    2. +5
      21 August 2013 16: 24
      Forgive me dear, and Perm and Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk where to go, but these are three cities of a millionaire in the Urals, with the vast majority of the Russian population !?
      1. Warrawar
        +3
        21 August 2013 16: 28
        Quote: makst83
        Forgive me dear, and Perm and Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk where to go, but these are three cities of a millionaire in the Urals, with the vast majority of the Russian population !?

        Yes, he just did not begin to list everything) But the idea is perfectly clear ... It is necessary to hold on, by all limbs, to the Russian name and in no case do not let it go.
        1. +5
          21 August 2013 16: 33
          makst83 Do not panic, even though I live in my garbage dump, which over the course of 20 years has been turned into Babylon under the name Moscow, I know very well where Russians live and in general the Russian Federation - this is the Russian state. So fasten yourself, I'm morally with you!
    3. 0
      21 August 2013 18: 48
      Rake ALL in full ..... laughing
    4. 0
      22 August 2013 13: 12
      Gold words! +
  15. +14
    21 August 2013 15: 38
    The Kolomna Kremlin is still history ...
    A beautiful Mosque is a remake of the whole of Russia and it is deeply ...
    Here is the Christ Church built by Turks and Jews in the heart of Russia in the city of Moscow, none of the Russian People seeks to be called a symbol of the Great Country ....
    Because basically, our People are adequate and call things by their "names" ....

    Yesterday I was in Moscow, went to the city hall, neighing, officials of the Moscow Mayor called the Russians Sobyanin for the eyes- "reindeer breeder"))))
    1. +2
      21 August 2013 22: 25
      Quote: Asgard
      officials of the Mayor of Moscow Russian woman Sobyanin are called “reindeer breeder” behind the eyes))))

      Yes, everyone in Moscow calls him a "reindeer breeder"
  16. +11
    21 August 2013 15: 38
    Our local riot police, in a narrow circle, have long been saying that a third Chechen is inevitable. Kadyrovtsy will catch up with all the other clans. And we will have to rake, once again.
    1. +1
      21 August 2013 15: 52
      is everything so bad?
    2. stroporez
      -1
      21 August 2013 16: 15
      this is why they are "fighting" for demography. Schaub had someone to throw in a meat grinder ...........
      1. +4
        21 August 2013 19: 39
        -No ... They are not fighting already ... The Ministry of Finance is going to abolish the maternity capital ... Like, "reborn" ...
    3. +1
      21 August 2013 22: 54
      Quote: shinobi
      Kadyrovtsy with all the other clans will seize.

      Rather, they would be mutually annihilated.
      1. +1
        22 August 2013 02: 38
        But derjmo raking us all the same
    4. volkodav
      0
      22 August 2013 10: 13
      Yes, they have been talking about this since 2010, when he came to Chechnya there everyone spoke about it, they called it spring 2014, they’ll hold the Olympics and the terrible to put into ruins, and level the mountains with tracks
  17. gayka
    +6
    21 August 2013 15: 39
    In the terms of this competition, it is stated, and I quote further: "10 leaders of the final are not ranked. During the final there will be no first or tenth places, only a dozen leaders and twenty pursuers." But nevertheless, it is unpleasant for me from the principle to see the mosque in the first place. Well, there should not be such a symbol in an Orthodox state, although personally I believe that it is better not to interfere with religious aspects in such matters. We have Mamaev Kurgan, Baikal and many other objects that we can be proud of. I myself vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, as other objects objectively cannot catch up with the leaders. Only you and I can change the combination in leadership, there is no one else. We vote from work computers, home computers, from the mobile Internet, and by joint efforts we will restore justice. At least let's hope.
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  18. -14
    21 August 2013 15: 40
    What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
    Regarding the contest, it’s not just who won the first place that symbol of RUSSIA, but the point is that who will enter the top ten will become symbols of Russia and will be installed in this park. it doesn’t make sense what kind of places they will take, are they already symbols? But simply, the hostility is so great that here the principle arose for first place and it immediately becomes clear that most ordinary citizens don’t even consider some parts of the territory of the Russian Federation part of Russia nor its population, which was clearly shown by this vote.
    Personally, I voted for the Mosque, an insanely beautiful and bewitching structure.
    It would just be possible to stop at 10, and not arrange additional races for a meaningless first place.
    1. +16
      21 August 2013 15: 48
      The Russian people do not have their own state. The German constitution says that Germany is a state of the German people, first of all, in Israel, that it is a state of the priestly people.
      There is nothing about the Russian Constitution Russian peoplebut there is about multinational Russian people. What is x. h. Chechens, Dagestanis, migrants from Central Asia, who received Ros citizenship.
      1. +4
        21 August 2013 15: 56
        KibalchishWhat do you explain to him, he is not Russian. Probably a Chechen.
        1. -1
          21 August 2013 19: 27
          Quote: Marrying
          What do you explain to him, he is not Russian

          good
          Quote: Marrying
          Probably a Chechen.

          laughing
          1. smersh70
            +2
            21 August 2013 21: 58
            Quote: Yeraz
            What do you explain to him, he is not Russian

            laughing


            Yes, he’s all in a drum. laughing these are the ones who judge ethnic issues)))) plant ... evict .... kill ...))
            of Russia


            and we need good nat.spets who are versed in national politics, such as, for example, the late Polyanichko .... hi
        2. +3
          21 August 2013 23: 03
          Quote: Marrying
          KibalchishWhat do you explain to him, he is not Russian. Probably a Chechen.

          Even I, though long ago in America, know what Yeraz means Yerevansky IAzerbaijanian (not that I had anything against Azerbaijanis in general and Yerevan in particular - they did nothing wrong with me, well, the truth is nothing good either).
      2. Warrawar
        +8
        21 August 2013 15: 59
        Quote: Kibalchish
        The Russian Constitution does not mean anything about the Russian people, but there is something about the multinational Russian people. What is this x. h. Chechens, Dagestanis, migrants from Central Asia, who received Ros citizenship.

        Yes, that's exactly what it is. The people of Russia are "Russians". It's just so convenient for the government. On the other hand, Russians are uncomfortable for them, because they have very high demands and ask too many questions.
        The idea of ​​our leadership is to produce as many "Russians" as possible - by importing tens of millions of Asians. On the other hand, he will get rid of the Russians.
      3. 0
        21 August 2013 17: 00
        history teachers, according to the census in Russia before the revolution, not a single person called himself Russian, namely a Russian
    2. +3
      21 August 2013 22: 51
      Quote: Yeraz
      nat, hostility is so great that here the principle arose for the first place and it immediately becomes clear that most ordinary citizens don’t consider some parts of the territory of the Russian Federation as either a part of Russia or its population,

      Dear foreigner, I'm sorry, but I do not know your nationality. You live in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, the capital of the empire built on the bones of Russian people. Why on earth are you joking about Russian problems? You write with difficulty in Russian, but you have the audacity to teach Russians in their own land. The point is not that most ordinary citizens do not consider some parts of the Russian Federation to be part of Russia. The fact is that the way it is. The title peoples of the National Republics, especially the North Caucasus, are not Russian. They associate themselves with Russia only when money is needed from the budget of the Russian Federation, or when it is profitable. For example, you can come to any Russian city and settle there, and in case of problems with the law, hide in the Caucasus. Very comfortably. In Russia, you are Russians before the law, and in relations with Russians you immediately become Chechens or Dagestanis (no matter what nationality).
      The problem is that it is you (or your fellow tribesmen and fellow believers) who consider Russia part of Chechnya or Dagestan, part of the Caucasus, conquered part.
      Be more modest, maybe this will help you in the future.
      1. +1
        22 August 2013 02: 41
        Do not be so naive, Vladimir. WILL NOT HELP
      2. +3
        22 August 2013 11: 04
        Quote: Normal
        Why on earth are you joking about Russian problems?

        Where did you see the banter? I only state the facts.
        Quote: Normal
        You can hardly write Russian, but you have the audacity to teach Russians in their own land

        Come on, straight with difficulty, the fact that I have some errors here is connected with the fact that I'm sitting through a tablet and it mixes or eats letters in its mind.
        Regarding the teachings. I live in this country and these problems also concern me as a citizen and resident of this country. And on this site it is not forbidden to write to people of non-Russian nationality.
        I already wrote about the problem. I know you very well, because I live in the Russian society and come from the Caucasus. That you yourself let them behave your problem this way. I already said how to react, but if it's easier for you to endure whining on the Internet and blaming power is your business. I’m not touched, in the area we are all friends and if I pull out a knife and don’t whine.
        1. +1
          22 August 2013 13: 49
          Quote: Yeraz
          Where did you see the banter? I only state the facts.

          Please:
          What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
          One banter and no facts.

          Quote: Yeraz
          Come on, straight with difficulty, the fact that I have some errors here is connected with the fact that I'm sitting through a tablet and it mixes or eats letters in its mind.


          I apologize. I thought it was not a knowledge of the language. There is such a problem with the tablet.

          Quote: Yeraz
          Regarding the lecture, I live in this country and these problems also concern me as a citizen and resident thiscountry.....
          Everything will just be boiling for me, I’ll leave for Azerbaijan or Turkey.

          That’s the difference. I live in of Russia, not in "this country "
          and in case of boil, I’m not where to run. I have neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan.
          Therefore, to everyone who lives in "this country "just because it is profitable or just convenient, and in which case it will simply leave, I refuse the right to teach me, Russian, how to assess the situation of Russians in Russia.
          Quote: Yeraz
          .Me will not be touched, in the area we are friends and if I pull out a knife and I will not whine.

          Sure, not a problem. They will come from another area. But the fact is that I am with a knife. But if I pull out the knife, I will answer before the law and society will not be on my side, but on the side of the law. And if the Caucasian has a knife, then his community will always be on his side, and not on the side of the law. Do you understand the difference?
          If I demand compliance with the law, recognition of Russia as the state of Russians, and cessation of the indulgence of power in relation to Caucasians, this does not mean that I am aching. I defend my legal rights and interests, I am Russian in Russia and I have no other country. The fact that I, so far, am trying to do this peacefully and law-abiding still does not mean anything; Russian patience is known. And the fact that you claim that I am aching is banter. You perfectly understand that in this case, the Russians and Caucasians are not equal before the Russian authorities and openly scoff at the Russians. When you have to flee to Azerbaijan, remember this conversation.
          1. +2
            22 August 2013 14: 27
            Quote: Normal
            Please:
            What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
            One banter and no facts.

            where did you see the banter there ??? I said that it will change from the fact that the Russian provinces with the Russian population are liquidated and unite into one province called RUS?
            Quote: Normal
            Therefore, to everyone who lives in "this country" only because it is profitable or simply convenient, and in which case it will simply leave, I refuse the right to teach me, Russian, how to assess the situation of Russians in Russia.

            I’m here because my relatives have been here for a long time. And I’ll leave, and you suggest, when there will be a national explosion, the Russian nationalists will go to blame everyone and wait for me to come ??? one person.
            Quote: Normal
            But if I pull out the knife, I will answer before the law and society will not be on my side, but on the side of the law. And if the Caucasian has a knife, then his community will always be on his side, and not on the side of the law. Do you understand the difference?

            I don’t know what you mean. But if I just kill someone, rape someone, I will answer in this life not to the law and society, but to my family. My father will kill me personally. But if I was both the law and the norm are right. the health service will be on my side. BUT !! now in Russia there is such a situation that they are not looking at the deed. And ON THE SURNAME and proceed from this !!!
            Quote: Normal
            If I demand compliance with the law, recognition of Russia as the state of Russians, and cessation of the indulgence of power in relation to Caucasians, this does not mean that I am aching. I defend my legal rights and interests, I am Russian in Russia and I have no other country. The fact that I, so far, am trying to do this peacefully and law-abiding still does not mean anything; Russian patience is known. And the fact that you claim that I am aching is banter. You perfectly understand that in this case, the Russians and Caucasians are not equal before the Russian authorities and openly scoff at the Russians. When you have to flee to Azerbaijan, remember this conversation.

            then deal with your power, if you chose it. But all the dogs are let down on non-Russians. If the state does nothing, calm yourself, BUT you are busy whining the state, it's guilty and we won’t give an answer to the Caucasians, they say state on the side of the Caucasians, one excuses. Whoever has the money is right. 282 poor people will commit a crime 2 Caucasian, the other Russian will bend both, and will not make indulgence. The system is corrupt, and not that the system fell in love with Caucasians.
            I’ll leave, but in this bloody mess with enormous human sacrifice you will remain, not me.
            1. +2
              22 August 2013 19: 07
              Quote: Yeraz
              I'll leave

              I served in Kirovabad. Somehow, in order to familiarize themselves with the army service, a group of young Azerbaijanis was brought to the unit. They showed them the location, the dining room, military equipment, drove them around the parade ground and introduced them to the small arms. Then a heart-to-heart talk. Moreover, the time was Soviet, pre-conscripts to us, demobels, are not competitors, therefore they talked on equal terms and without national connotations. We were just interested; how do you live, what are you going to do in life, how do you look at the future? Out of 20 young people, 18 announced that they were going to leave for Russia, Moscow and Leningrad. We, two Russians and one Ukrainian, were very surprised. To Russia from Azerbaijan? Yes, right there is your Motherland, here are your ancestors, here they live not according to Soviet, but according to your concepts and rules, warmth and grapes grow here, in the end. Here the truth of life was explained to us.
              “What are we going to do here?” Here they have (they nod for two not going to leave) one dad has a market director, and the other dad has his own shop (Soviet times, but they turned a blind eye to the national characteristics of the trading nation) They have already been arranged in life, but we don’t have anything in Azerbaijan shines.
              - But in Moscow they don’t like visitors, they don’t like their own limiters, and only Caucasians ...
              - Uh! How ne love? I was in Moscow - I got lost. He went to the policeman to ask for directions, so he told me HONOR GIVEN! and for 15 minutes he explained how and on what I should go, var! Try you to approach our policeman ...
              Then I remembered with what kind of conceit and aplomb I answered the phone by the head of the warehouse - "Ensign Veliev is listening", as if he was not an ensign but a lieutenant general, at least, and had to agree.
              Why am I all this? And to that:
              . Whoever has the money is right. 2 poor people will commit a crime 1 Caucasian, the other Russian will bend both, and will not make indulgence. The system is corrupt, and not that the system has fallen in love with Caucasians.
              The system is not corrupt in itself. Corruption in the Caucasus historically exceeded many times that in Russia. And it is you who drag your traditions of bribing power from the Caucasus to Russia. And do not lie that both scumbags are bent, you will try to buy your scumbag in any case, whatever he does because it is YOUR scumbag. More than once I have seen how Azerbaijanis collect money for the ransom of a poor bezpredelnik in the market. and even more so I don’t have to hang noodles on my ears:
              Quote: Yeraz
              I don’t know what you mean. But if I just kill someone from the bold, I raped someone,

              You all know very well. Can this respected guest from the Caucasus kill someone from the bulldozer? Killed? So did the right thing! why did this Russian fascist look so bad?
              Raped? Yes, she herself raped the six of us! Do not you see she is in a mini skirt!
              Quote: Yeraz
              , I will answer in this life not before the law and society, but before my family.

              In fact of the matter.
              Quote: Yeraz
              my father will kill me with his own hand.

              Enough of lying. For Russian or Russian? Such cases are not known to science.
  19. +21
    21 August 2013 15: 44
    If it’s still not clear to someone, the Russian Federation has long ceased to belong to the Russians. Russia does not belong to the Russians. Do you remember? And do not ask anymore: where is the power, why are the Russians killed, why are the national authorities released from the police, why can they do anything! Because it wants power! Because she is so profitable! Because this is the will of the world government that the Kremlin is fulfilling.
    The Russians have been given up, they are simply erased. But here's the strange thing - how does the Russian people endure destruction and humiliation so easily and humbly? Here it is necessary to applaud the puppeteers and politicians! Because turning the strongest people in the world into a silent herd is the greatest achievement!
    The next stage is a ban on the presence on the street during prayer for all non-Muslims. Or something like this ...
    1. Warrawar
      +5
      21 August 2013 15: 47
      Quote: erased
      . But here's the strange thing - how does the Russian people endure destruction and humiliation so easily and humbly?

      I would not say that the Russian people humbly endure ... Russian patriots are killed without trial or sentenced to long sentences.
      Look for information on the network, you will find a lot of interesting things in this regard.
      1. +6
        21 August 2013 15: 52
        But the meaning is the same - Russians are simply being destroyed.
        1. Warrawar
          +3
          21 August 2013 16: 07
          Quote: erased
          But the meaning is the same - Russians are simply being destroyed.

          Yes, everything is true - they simply destroy it and not otherwise!
    2. Government1981
      0
      22 August 2013 13: 21
      absolutely agree with every word!
  20. +6
    21 August 2013 15: 44
    Quote: Stiletto
    Stupid is the election.

    That's right!
    In Russia, 83 subject, everywhere the population is different, the cost of SMS, too. This can no longer be an equal choice.
    At least a small, autonomous one votes for the mosque - but the republic + a huge number of Muslims, both Russians and not only.
    In my opinion, these elections are needed more likely in order to cut down additional lava from the population.
    For example, 8 million voted for the mosque and the Kremlin; the average price of SMS is 2 for you and 16 grouse, but how many objects are there, many vote more than once, but someone for themselves and that guy.
  21. Regis
    +8
    21 August 2013 15: 48
    All this is strange. Just in the place of Muslims, I would vote for the restored Kazan mosque, for history .. But the Chechen is a new building somehow))

    And so of course, if the mind wins, the Motherland of Stalingrad should be a symbol of Russia. Not for architecture, but for what it symbolizes. Like a statue of freedom in America, there is nothing special (architecturally) in it, but nevertheless, it is a symbol of America. Very well chosen by the way.
  22. +29
    21 August 2013 15: 49
    Let it not be tolerant and let me be clamored, but the greatest architectural monument of the Chechen capital is:

    Well, the railway building train station.
    Although, if Kadyrov erects a monument to a Russian soldier, perhaps I will change my point of view.
    1. +5
      21 August 2013 18: 43
      in 1994, Kadyrov served in Basayev’s headquarters. he does not follow this))
      1. tverskoi77
        0
        22 August 2013 11: 46
        in 1994, Kadyrov served in Basayev’s headquarters. he does not follow this))

        those. we all understand that the Kadyrovs are former militants.
    2. smiths xnumx
      0
      22 August 2013 16: 56
      Dear Alexander, this is not a railway station, this is Dudaev's palace, the former government building of the Chechen-Ingush ASSR. destroyed in 1995 as not subject to restoration, in the background on the left you can see the "Kavkaz" hotel, next to the "Minutka" square. Otherwise, there are no objections. Plus from me. Yours faithfully! hi
  23. +6
    21 August 2013 15: 52
    The victory technology of the mosque to the limit is simple - paid sms that can be sent in an unlimited number, due to them an advantage, and by free voting on the Internet, where there is a limit of no more than 3 times a day, they are several times behind. EVERYONE MAKES MONEY.
    1. +2
      21 August 2013 15: 55
      Most likely, they wind it through proxies.
  24. +7
    21 August 2013 15: 55
    "The only thing that is needed for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing." Edmund Burke (English Edmund Burke; 1729-1797) - English parliamentarian, publicist.
    Just such a contest once again emphasized not the architectural and historical delights created on the territory of our Country, but the degree of organization, unity of this or that people in its composition.
    While the Russian reflects on the given topic, the Chechens did what the "elders" said.
    1. Government1981
      0
      22 August 2013 13: 29
      the most disgusting thing is that our rulers are driving people to the polls, holding frauds with voting, bribery, and that the Russian people would vote for their symbol not a hint, not a word! tolerance is such an official path to the destruction of independence, traditions and national unity! enemies rule us!
  25. +3
    21 August 2013 16: 09
    If this goes further, then soon (God forbid) we will see St. Basil's Mosque in the center of Moscow. It is high time for the Moscow authorities to start scratching oneself!
    1. +4
      21 August 2013 16: 19
      There are no Muscovites in Moscow’s power, Sobyanin is from Zapadischensk, but according to polls (which I don’t understand) 70% are for him, although all Muscovites are Muscovites against him.
  26. royk
    +4
    21 August 2013 16: 12
    Stop it. Do not get into it, why keep an eye on it. They also found me something to worry about. They themselves invented 24 in Russia, now let them relax as they want. I will not creep into this matter. SMS-ki still send ... this is too much.
  27. Hel
    +8
    21 August 2013 16: 13
    Come on, Churov smsky recount and win the symbol of what kind of GDP you like
  28. 6 sunrise 9
    +1
    21 August 2013 16: 18
    From the Urals to the Carpathians, a Chechen-Chechen friend and brother, from the Urals to the Carpathians, a Jew-Jewish friend and brother, from the Urals to the Carpathians, Russian-Russian Wolf.

    And what can I say about the article, well done fellows Chechens.
  29. goldfinger
    +1
    21 August 2013 16: 22
    Not in the know. Do Chechens serve in the army? Not in their special battalions, in my opinion "West" and "Vostok", but in the ordinary Russian army?
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +1
      21 August 2013 16: 25
      The Vostok battalion was disbanded by Kadyrov. So yes, they serve in the Russian army. In truth, Kadyrov has his own personal guard.
    2. Warrawar
      +2
      21 August 2013 17: 05
      Quote: goldfinger
      Not in the know. Do Chechens serve in the army? Not in their special battalions, in my opinion "West" and "Vostok", but in the ordinary Russian army?

      No, they do not serve in the Russian army. Over the years, the command has realized that there are more than benefits for the draft from the Caucasus region.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        0
        21 August 2013 17: 26
        There is really no call from Chechnya. But I was talking about the Vostok battalion, whose specialists serve in the Russian army.
  30. serge
    +11
    21 August 2013 16: 30
    The Russian audience in the coffin saw paid contests on any subject. The mosque is a pity, of course, with such a national policy, the third Chechen one is inevitable, during which the missile will certainly hit the mosque.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +6
      21 August 2013 16: 41
      Well, the Chechen youth is still denamed, if I start the Chechen problem with Chechnya, there are 2 options to solve, and the 1st does not exclude the 2nd.
      1) The mass genocide of the Chechens, the killing of all at the root.
      2) Evictions outside the Russian Federation to Turkey, for example.
      3) It is possible to impoverish both options in one.

      In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.
      But with the Hanafites, we got along for centuries and there were no problems (Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Circassians, Kabardins, Balkans, etc.)
      1. essenger
        -1
        21 August 2013 17: 40
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.

        Where did you perform on the ax?)))
        What does it mean outside the Russian Federation? Give them independence, then you will speak like that.
        1. +3
          21 August 2013 18: 20
          Quote: Essenger
          What does it mean outside the Russian Federation? Give them independence, then you will speak like that.

          Well, give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, so as not to produce double standards.
          1. essenger
            +2
            21 August 2013 18: 27
            Quote: Setrac
            Well, give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, so as not to produce double standards.

            Firstly, no one in Kazakhstan says that it is necessary to evict Russians outside the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Secondly, I do not see parallels between the autochthonous peoples of the North Caucasus of the Russian Federation and the inhabitants of the ethnic diaspora in the northern regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            1. 6 sunrise 9
              +2
              21 August 2013 19: 09
              Do Russians resist the tricks that offend the dignity of the Kazakhs? Harut type Russia power-Kazakhs slaves? Are Kazakhs slaughtered / raped / beaten in the cities of Kazakhstan? answer nat, between us dofiga difference.

              When we invaded Kazakh auls, we were "Russian barbarians", we left behind hospitals, factories, schools, universities. And what did the Dagi, Chechens, Ingush do?
              1. +1
                21 August 2013 19: 37
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                When we invaded Kazakh auls, we were "Russian barbarians", we left behind hospitals, factories, schools, universities. And what did the Dagi, Chechens, Ingush do?

                Maybe this reckoning for the fact that the Caucasus was conquered by force, but they did not call you to themselves. And they are part of the Russian Federation at the request of the Russian people, who, having laid thousands of soldiers, forcibly left them again. Well, this people does not want to be with the Russian, Are you surprised at their behavior ??
                1. +5
                  21 August 2013 21: 55
                  Maybe this reckoning for the fact that the Caucasus was conquered by force, they did not call you to themselves.

                  No, they didn’t call. They burst into Russian houses and took people into slavery. They traded them. They saw in it the respect and respect for the same as they themselves. They didn’t build anything, they didn’t do anything. Just lived on the raids. Well, when did the Georgians ask under the Russian tsar, there was no way out. It was necessary to protect the Tiflis road from raids.
                  Well, this people does not want to be with Russian ...

                  No, he doesn’t want. He wants to live at the expense of the Russian people.
                  why are you surprised at their behavior?

                  Yes, it’s not their behavior that we are surprised at; it is understandable. Our power is surprising.
                  1. -2
                    21 August 2013 23: 28
                    Quote: zennon
                    No, they didn’t call. They broke into Russian houses and took people into slavery.

                    Well damn you are kidding ??? In Tsarist Russia where there was serfdom, where people were called souls sold, you gave you still run into them because of this ?????
                    Quote: zennon
                    They didn’t build anything, they didn’t do horseradish. They just lived on raids

                    I already asked 1 time here and not a single one answered. So before the Russians approached the borders of the Caucasus, who was robbed by a bunch of robbers who don’t know anything ????
                    Quote: zennon
                    No, he doesn’t want. He wants to live at the expense of the Russian people.

                    No, he wanted to live separately, it was the Russians who came to the Caucasus, and not vice versa.
                    Quote: zennon
                    Yes, it’s not their behavior that we are surprised at; it is understandable. Our power is surprising.

                    Yes, stop wondering at this power, I do my best. If on the street a person of any nation shows off he will get an answer. It's time to understand this situation is heating up.
                    1. +1
                      22 August 2013 02: 49
                      And you don’t need to ask - you always, at all times, were engaged in robbery, it does not matter who you rob, whether your own or others. And the Russians came to the Caucasus, just tired of your banditry.
                      1. +2
                        22 August 2013 11: 10
                        Quote: Very old
                        And you don’t need to ask - you always, at all times, were engaged in robbery, it does not matter who you rob, whether your own or others. And the Russians came to the Caucasus, just tired of your banditry.

                        Dumb nationalism.
                        How they robbed their own if they were all robbers, it was necessary to rob those who are developed, produce products. Although to whom I prove, continue in the same vein, then you should go to the Caucasus to pacify, and not to me.
                      2. sleepy
                        0
                        23 August 2013 03: 32
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        "... How they robbed their own, if they were all robbers, it was necessary to rob from those who are developed, produce products ...".


                        "... the very robbery is thus for some persons
                        as if a secondary matter, the motive for the attack is sometimes just an inborn need for daredevil antics, risky ventures, a passion to terrify people. Robbers during their attacks on homes, farms, churches, carriages, mail, trains, etc. usually find concern for their personal safety: one part of the gang robs
                        and kills, another prudently guards nearby ... ".
                        Doctor of Medicine E.V. ERICKSON
                        "ABOUT MURDERS AND DILIGENCES IN THE CAUCASUS".
                        St. Petersburg, 1906.
                        http://www.xpomo.com/ruskolan/avdeev/arp_kavkaz.htm
              2. essenger
                +5
                21 August 2013 19: 56
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                Do Russians resist the tricks that offend the dignity of the Kazakhs? Harut type Russia power-Kazakhs slaves? Are Kazakhs slaughtered / raped / beaten in the cities of Kazakhstan? answer nat, between us dofiga difference.


                In Kazakhstan, criminal reports do not mention the nationality of the criminal at all. For example, man A., 39 years old, committed such a crime, etc. We do not keep statistics about which nation has committed crimes more or less, at least in the media they do not write about this. and this is good.
                1. Pensioner
                  +1
                  22 August 2013 00: 11
                  Therefore, they do not write nationality, because basically the crime is committed by the Kazakhs themselves. And not representatives of other nationalities, of which there are fewer and fewer in Kazakhstan. And if a representative of another nationality suddenly commits a crime, the local Kazakhs themselves will punish him! Why would the Kazakh media focus on the crimes of these Kazakhs? And therefore, that more crimes are committed by the "titular nation" of Kazakhstan, therefore, in order not to advertise it, the nationality of the criminal is not indicated. So there is no need to elevate your national ideological cunning to the rank of pride.
                  1. Marek Rozny
                    +2
                    23 August 2013 11: 09
                    Pensioner, do you have figures on the national composition of convicts in Kazakhstan?
                    Do you have examples that Kazakhs are "punished" based on ethnicity?
                    I took popcorn, waiting for an answer.
                    1. 0
                      23 August 2013 11: 39
                      Marek, don’t swear with a pensioner! What website has become popular! Even old women have their own opinions and want to convey to everyone! I have figured out your life credo.
        2. 6 sunrise 9
          +3
          21 August 2013 19: 04
          so it was given and what came out of it everyone knows Chechnya became the 2nd Agan, drugs, slave trade, Wahhabism, etc. They are very different from the Tatars or Kazakhs, it’s impossible to live with them.
      2. 0
        21 August 2013 19: 53
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        Well, the Chechen youth is still denamed, if I start the Chechen problem with Chechnya, there are 2 options to solve, and the 1st does not exclude the 2nd.
        1) The mass genocide of the Chechens, the killing of all at the root.
        2) Evictions outside the Russian Federation to Turkey, for example.
        3) It is possible to impoverish both options in one.

        Or maybe option 4 to give them freedom ?? They did not ask to be part of the Russian Federation.
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.

        oh well ... ohh it smelled of fascism.
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        But with the Hanafites, we got along for centuries and there were no problems (Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Circassians, Kabardins, Balkans, etc.)

        There were problems with them, but they started to dry up. When they found themselves inside the Russian regions and began to relocate a huge number of Russians and voila a powerful assimilation process. Most Tatars are a copy of the Russians drinking and behaving singly, it's only right now they started to change, the same from Central Asia, Kyrgyz from the north, where there were a bunch of Russians and Kyrgyz from the south, it was heaven and earth, it was very noticeable how they behaved. The northerners are fragmented, like the Russians, and the southerners are more united. So your examples are weak. In these peoples, right now I went process of nationalization.
        1. +1
          21 August 2013 20: 09
          Dear Alibek, the Chechen Republic is the territory of the Russian Federation, mind you, not annexed but included in the Russian Empire, what will happen if some national groups want to secede from Azerbaijan and form autonomies? Will you support them too?
          1. +2
            21 August 2013 20: 26
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            Dear Alibek, the Chechen Republic is the territory of the Russian Federation, mind you, not annexed but included in the Russian Empire, what will happen if some national groups want to secede from Azerbaijan and form autonomies? Will you support them too?

            Dear I have already said here, the root of the problem lies in the inaction of the authorities and the people themselves !!!
            The Caucasus was conquered, it didn’t enter voluntarily, how much blood was spilled, but recently the recent wars and constant terrorist attacks ended, they hold huge units in a small area. Comparing with Azerbaijan is inappropriate. The Chechens, unlike the Russian brothers, believe us, too, when we they were sheltered, they began to rage in Baku, download the rights that they did, gathered those who are bullied, and not those who behave normally, gave them everything. Quiet and smooth, thanks brother for the shelter, nothing brother. The topic is closed. On the contrary, Russia suffers people, relying on the state, but it’s time to understand the pancake by ourselves.
            I’m for separation, when they start telling them to evict them all from their native land or to make genocide. Forcibly joined, please be kind enough to get along. You can’t let go.
            1. +1
              21 August 2013 20: 33
              Can't let it go.

              I fully support!
            2. 6 sunrise 9
              +1
              21 August 2013 20: 47
              In general, go on this site, look at the persecution of Christians in countries where the Sharia law (tobish of Allah) is established and say is fascism? After separation, Chechnya will turn into avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.
              1. +3
                21 August 2013 21: 37
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                In general, go on this site, look at the persecution of Christians in countries where the Sharia law (tobish of Allah) is established and say is fascism? After separation, Chechnya will turn into avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.

                This is nonsense. Alibek cited a thousand references. Forcibly translating it into Islam is the greatest haram, just attacking purely because of a different faith, too, and if this happens simply because it is a different faith it is fascism, not Islam.
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                After separation, the liver will turn into an avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.

                Well, it will turn out and what ?? here then you can justify violence against them, as an aggressor invading foreign lands, but when this is done, when they are full citizens and are part of Russia, this is fascism.
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            3. +4
              21 August 2013 20: 49
              The Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans also thought that they were a single people, and now Shiites, Sunnis, Alawites, Berbers, etc. everyone wants to grab a piece of their independence, that's what I said. Letting go of the Caucasus? how do you imagine it physically? Give independence, introduce a visa regime, and who will work there? That the construction will start in a tank and will start producing oil? And then where do we go to expel them "Elite"? Since letting go of everyone, as they say. You will find out what the Chechens have been doing for centuries, how did they get it for bread? And they will do the same, and then what do we do that?
            4. +2
              21 August 2013 23: 40
              Quote: Yeraz
              Forcibly joined, please get along. You can’t let go.

              You must not let go. It will be like under Shamil’s raids in the Stavropol region, it’s okay to only steal cattle, because they will also capture slaves. And pursue across the border - the UN cry will raise, saying no way, violation of sovereignty.
              1. 0
                22 August 2013 02: 55
                Nagan, because this is an eternal craft. How to refuse it
              2. +2
                22 August 2013 10: 51
                Quote: Nagan
                You must not let go. It will be like under Shamil’s raids in the Stavropol region, it’s okay to only steal cattle, because they will also capture slaves. And pursue across the border - the UN cry will raise, saying no way, violation of sovereignty.

                Come on ???? Or maybe you’ll act like Israel when they started a war because of 2 soldiers. As if now they can’t do anything and get into their own republic, where no one can stick their nose except Putin .
                1. 0
                  22 August 2013 11: 35
                  As for Israel, it’s not a correct comparison. They are a very small mono-national country that dictates to the whole world. They can afford (to maintain the level) to get into the war because of one corporal. We have not yet grown to such a level
                  1. +1
                    22 August 2013 12: 25
                    Quote: Den 11
                    They are a very small mono-national country that dictates to the whole world. They can afford (to maintain a level) to get into the war because of one corporal. We have not yet grown to such a level

                    Ie Russia is weaker than Israel ???
                    Well, excuse me, but going to this site has a feeling that you are a super duper superpower of all the planets. Somehow it does not fit together ...
                    1. 0
                      22 August 2013 12: 42
                      Russia is MUCH more complicated !!! They want to ruin us, this is a fact! They need our resources, this is a fact !!! How to do this? You are not a stupid person, you will understand
                  2. 0
                    23 August 2013 01: 05
                    Quote: Den 11
                    They are very small
                    Right. At the same time, Arabs, with rather active support from the USSR / Russia, are still trying to reduce, preferably (Arabs, not me) to zero
                    Quote: Den 11
                    mono-national country
                    in which every fifth is an Arab. Somehow a bit too much national minorities for a mono-ethnic country.
                    Quote: Den 11
                    dictates to the whole world.
                    Only in your imagination. Without going into details, if they really dictated, they would have long dictated the world on their own terms.
                    Quote: Den 11
                    They can afford (to maintain the level) to get into the war because of one corporal.
                    Forced, because the Arabs understand and respect only power. To let them insolence means provoking them to new tricks. Better let them fear and respect, because love from them still can not be achieved.
                    Quote: Den 11
                    We have not yet grown to such a level
                    So grow, and the faster the better. With such a good neighbor as China, a strong Russia is not a luxury, but a necessary condition for survival as a nation.
            5. +1
              22 August 2013 02: 53
              Yes of course. Without Russia, you will be the province of Persia. And what is the attitude of Azerbaijanis in modern Iran?
              1. +1
                22 August 2013 11: 17
                Quote: Very old
                Yes of course. Without Russia, you will be the province of Persia.

                oh well ?? Is not too high an opinion of yourself ??
                Quote: Very old
                And what is the attitude of Azerbaijanis in modern Iran?

                Well, look who the head of the government and the general staff will understand. There is only a language problem, they will not be trained in it. And Iran would have a terrible dream that 30 million secular nationalistic Azerbaijan will join the 10 million Azerbaijani community, it will blow Iran.
            6. Pensioner
              +3
              22 August 2013 03: 19
              In fact, you are right that the Russian people will have enough to endure. The Russian people are very kind and patient. But the same Caucasian peoples understand this in their own way, about the criminal, as "patience", as "tolerated." The Russian people felt guilt for collapse of the Union, and for the Chechen war. Only the rest did not feel their guilt! And only vingili and blamed the Russians for all mortal sins! Perhaps, to some extent, these "actions" of the peoples of Central Asia and the Caucasus were needed to awaken the Russian people? For the Russian people to change their minds and ask the guilty themselves? For all!
        2. +3
          21 August 2013 20: 49
          Yeraz Dear, I don’t know how you are about the priest, I understand you from the Caucasus and of course you will defend the interests of building mosques, which is clearly not right, etc., etc., but let me open a little eye for you. 70% of current youth and under the age of 30, also about 70% of Slavic origin, clearly position themselves with fascism or are radically opposed to immigrants from the Caucasus, but more against immigrants from Central Asia, there are a lot of parties, a lot of groups. And at such a pace, you know what can happen, people are increasingly supporting such parties, but there may be a German scenario in the 30s and I just see it on the streets and hear in the words of not only young, but also middle-aged people . Here are the realities for you.
          1. +1
            21 August 2013 21: 07
            Quote: Marrying
            Yeraz Dear, I don’t know how you are about the priest, I understand you from the Caucasus and of course you will defend the interests of building mosques, which is clearly not right, etc., etc.

            Why is the construction of mosques clearly not right? Not only Christians live in Russia. The only thing I am for is that mosques in purely Russian cities should be built in the outskirts, and not in the center.
            Quote: Marrying
            at such a pace you know what can happen, people are increasingly supporting such parties, but there may be a German scenario in the 30s and I just see it on the streets and hear in words not only young but also middle-aged people. Here are the realities for you.

            I also see this very well, I live here. But the problem is that the Russians begin to behave with dignity, and not by Western standards, like today's youth. I’ll just be in full swing, go to Azerbaijan or Turkey. But other indigenous Muslims of Russia they’ll stay here and a civil war will begin. I personally don’t want this. But when one part of the population rapidly goes under Western standards, others into the radical currents of Islam, and those who try to balance, will also not be able to do so for a long time against the background of total Europeanization.
            1. +2
              21 August 2013 21: 45
              Yeraz I don’t agree about mosques, I understand the habitation in Muslim cities like Kazan, Makhachkala, etc., in Grozny, the same churches are not built, although the city was once Orthodox. I understand that the country is of different religions, but can you imagine a mosque in Pskov? I personally do not.
              I believe you that you live here and I have already understood that you are not a Chechen, but an Azerbaijani. You will forgive me for the early words. There will be no civil war, there will be something else, you know, you know better how we behave, but how do people from the Caucasus behave (not all of them, of course), what kind of Russian would piss into the eternal fire and put it out? This is pure blasphemy. What sane person would drive through the center of Moscow and shoot in the air - these are such traditions? Why don't those who came from another region of the country respect these traditions? I don’t go to them and I don’t burn the mosque. Dancing lezginka at the metro station is wildness, you forgive me. The Tatars are also Muslims and no one touches them, no one blames them, I have a lot of Tatars friends. It's just that some of the "descended from the mountains", "those who came from the steppes", do nasty things and a black spot falls on everyone. Respecting other people's traditions, do not arouse the anger that is now in society and the reason is not respect for Russian traditions.
              1. +1
                21 August 2013 23: 38
                ZhenyaDamn some persecution. Zhen I have a classmate Zhenya, with whom I still communicate, and my university friend is also Zhenya)))
                Look, I still didn’t understand your position against mosques. Yes Pskov is a Russian city, but you cannot impede migration within Russia, people are all moving to the central regions, there is no work there, the birth rate is higher and it’s clear that they will appear here and will live permanently and they are also full citizens of the Russian Federation, then they will be full citizens.
                The fact that the Caucasians behave, I already wrote, there are 2 types of people 1 who will put up with pressure, because they suffered, 2 category as 2, who live purely by their traditions (which do not go against it) and they do not care how Russians behave. And everything in the world. If a Russian allows you to humiliate yourself with a numerical advantage, then he is worthy of humiliation, so I personally won’t come to consider it below my dignity.
                To write in the eternal flame is ugliness. To shoot, there are such traditions, but try to get an injury in Baku, not to shoot, to dance. I think it’s not advisable to dance a lezginka.
                Quote: Marrying
                Tatars are also Muslims and no one touches them, no one accuses them I have a lot of Tatars friends

                Well, the Tatars, like the Russians, have a lot of elements of assimilation.
                Quote: Marrying
                Respecting other people's traditions, do not provoke anger, which is now in society, and the reason for this is not respect for Russian traditions.

                You see, I don’t see the Russian tradition. If it is a very small number of people.
          2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            +4
            21 August 2013 22: 59
            I completely agree with you Eugene .... The boiler is boiling, there will be an explosion, I will raise my children as it should, but we will have to remember our youth themselves, we still have strengths ....
      3. smersh70
        +1
        21 August 2013 21: 53
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.


        Thank God that you are not the commander in chief of the Russian army ...... laughing hi
    2. 0
      21 August 2013 16: 41
      I'm not only afraid of the rocket.
  31. Vtel
    +3
    21 August 2013 16: 32
    All this resembles a rated TV game. You won’t drag home to the ratings - it’s home alone, but with a different view from the window.
  32. +6
    21 August 2013 16: 38
    The competition is wrong in essence. Do not need these races for first place. Russia is a huge country, and many places in it are equally sweet and symbolic to me. Let there be 10 characters, but without announcing the number of votes. And it’s known how the Caucasus votes, look at the turnout at any election.
  33. jet blackbird
    -4
    21 August 2013 16: 41
    Why are you all so "mad"? There are 10 "symbols"! One will be from Chechnya ... all the rest from Russia itself ... the score is 1: 9)) Calm down! All of you are "one country" and if you look for "splinters" - then all of them will have to be pulled out ... from your own ass))
  34. -3
    21 August 2013 16: 41
    Without the mutual integration of the population of the regions and republics, the national question will remain a "toothache" of the state, the pill seems to have stopped hurting. If the population of the republic is 50% non-indigenous, the question will disappear by itself.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +8
      21 August 2013 16: 44
      Tell that to more than 300 Russians who fled from Chechnya.
    2. Warrawar
      +9
      21 August 2013 16: 56
      Quote: 787nkx
      Without the mutual integration of the population of the regions and republics, the national question will remain a "toothache" of the state, the pill seems to have stopped hurting. If the population of the republic is 50% non-indigenous, the question will disappear by itself.

      Sorry, there were more than 80% of Russians in Grozny. The city of Grozny itself is a Russian city built by General Ermolov. Now the Russians in Grozny are in the region of arithmetic error. There were ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Russian people.
      And how do you propose, in such cases, to carry out "mutual integration"? Do you want to bring a few more hundred thousand Russians there and wait until they are massacred again?
      1. -5
        21 August 2013 17: 00
        Conditions are necessary under which both republics and residents of other regions will be interested in integration.
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          +6
          21 August 2013 17: 03
          try to say this to the Chechens.
      2. 6 sunrise 9
        +9
        21 August 2013 17: 05
        If the Russians return to Chechnya, then for them it is necessary to create Russian settlements (cities, villages), they need to bring in their Russian administration and police, revive the Cossack army and give each Russian in arms .. a gun, a shotgun, Kalash, etc. Without this, it will look like the importation of sheep into a slaughterhouse.
        1. Warrawar
          +1
          21 August 2013 20: 35
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          If the Russians return to Chechnya, then for them it is necessary to create Russian settlements (cities, villages), they need to bring in their Russian administration and police, revive the Cossack army and give each Russian in arms .. a gun, a shotgun, Kalash, etc. Without this, it will look like the importation of sheep into a slaughterhouse.

          So it was with the king.
  35. +5
    21 August 2013 16: 43
    The mosque is beautiful (photographer 5+),
    Attraction - a place, thing or object that deserves special attention, famous or remarkable by something, for example, being a historical heritage, art value - see Wikipedia. What does it have to do with: Historical Heritage ?, Artistic Value? after 100 years (if it’s so long) you can talk about heritage and value, and so ...
    In short, not a competition, but a solid bullshit. And it doesn’t matter who got the most votes there. I personally do not participate in principle in any voting after 91 years. I will never forget (I was in the army at that time) when I was brought into the club on a rotary basis and poked my finger in the billboard and put the checkmark behind the screen (there was a ballot box) - that was our secret ballot. Since then, no-no. Our state is INDEPENDENT, and accordingly X is NOT dependent on us (I mean official voting and elections)
    This is my personal opinion.
  36. +8
    21 August 2013 16: 52
    It’s time to understand that a new bureaucratic nation has arisen in Russia, they don’t have a homeland, they have a country that has been milked for 20 years, their children who study and live over the hill, and their ancestors pirate in the country and transfer loot abroad
    1. +3
      21 August 2013 21: 02
      It is high time to understand that a new nation, an official, was born in Russia ...

      The German Weber, who visited St. Petersburg during the reign of Peter, wrote: "The officials here are regarded as birds of prey, they think that with their entry into office they are given the right to suck the people to the bone and to base their happiness on the destruction of their welfare". In November 1724, Peter ordered the arrest of Chamberlain Willem Mons and his sister Dame Matryona Balk. Mons was accused that he "appeared in many bribes and entered into business that did not belong to him," the chamberlain was cut off his head on Troitskaya Square, and then set on a high pole. At the beheaded body of her brother, the frightened Matryona Balk listened to her verdict, she got five blows with a whip and exile to Siberia. On the day of the execution, "bribes" were nailed on poles near the scaffold, apparently, these were one of the first publicly Russian documents exposing corrupt officials. Matryona Balk's painting included 23 positions, and among those who gave bribes were princes Menshikovs, Dolgorukiy, Golitsyns, Cherkasskys, Count Golovkin, Volynsky and other more or less important persons of that time were noted there. Prince Matvey Gagarin received bribes for return to the mercy of wine and beer sales. The Senate sentenced the prince to death, while the bribe-taker admitted his guilt, and in January 1724 Alexei Nesterov himself was executed - the execution of the chief fiscal was framed as a real performance: the tsar himself watched the action from the window of the Revision Collegium. First, the heads of three fiscal subordinates of Nesterov were chopped off, and then Alexei Nesterov himself was alternately crushed by limbs and dragged along the platform to the place where the heads of his assistants were chopped off. Ober-fiscal was thrown with his face in their blood and the executioner cut off his head. Then the heads of all four executed were hoisted on four high poles.
      It was born a long time ago! Believe me, I can cite and cite similar facts ... recourse
  37. +2
    21 August 2013 17: 00
    I voted for the Kremlin 3 days ago.
    1. Grigorich 1962
      +3
      21 August 2013 17: 32
      and you can vote every day
  38. EGORKA
    +4
    21 August 2013 17: 08
    If all the Russians agreed to vote for one thing, or they would cast their voices, that’s our weakness, there’s no unity and there isn’t any catalyst needed to unite us, as always, as long as the roasted cock doesn’t peck, we don’t move. But the Chechens have something to learn, for example, non-national unity.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +2
      21 August 2013 17: 16
      And then, 12 million in Moscow are shaking with fear because of 50-70 thousand Muslims. An example of many small cities where Muslims and migrants were taken by bus, because the indigenous population vowed to kill them, is too cruel for Muscovites. Now, if in Mosvka on one day the residents walked around the city with clubs, axes and knives and gave the people lyuley to all visitors, then the problem would be solved in 2-3 days of the pogroms of migrants.
      I don’t need about the playpen, stupid Natsik came to the Kremlin and stood there for several hours throwing ziki.

      That's what they were waiting for ??? What Putin will come out and throw a ridge?
  39. +1
    21 August 2013 17: 24
    Just wondering who REALLY rules Russia?
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +1
      21 August 2013 17: 28
      KGB officer V.V. Putin
      1. +7
        21 August 2013 18: 37
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        KGB officer V.V. Putin


        Wrong answer. Putin is the head of the occupation administration, appointed by the true rulers of this world - an interethnic financial oligarchy.

        You can gossip arbitrarily over the conspiracy theological versions of governing the World, but analyzing the facts impartially, you come to this conclusion ...
        1. Government1981
          0
          22 August 2013 14: 05
          when you realize the horror of the situation with the world government, where the idea of ​​the unreality of such a scale of catastrophe flickers very deeply, and this unreality looks like hope.
  40. +1
    21 August 2013 17: 27
    Really sad. The Russian people will soon have no place in their own country.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      0
      21 August 2013 17: 33
      But I disagree with this. Russians with such demographic dynamics will become a minority in 300 years. The problem of Russians in them, degraded.
    2. -3
      21 August 2013 17: 44
      We will look for a place in foreign countries.
      1. +6
        21 August 2013 18: 39
        Quote: Kibalchish
        We will look for a place in foreign countries.


        No ... We will fight for our country!
        This is our country, and we want to live in it the way WE want!
  41. Grigorich 1962
    +4
    21 August 2013 17: 31
    damn .... we urgently need to vote for the Kolomna monastery .....
  42. Arabist
    0
    21 August 2013 17: 32
    It seems to me that this article is intended to sow discord in the country. The situation with all this is already complicated, and such articles only aggravate it and do not contribute to its improvement. Kadyrov said his vote, everyone voted. And the rest does not seem to care about their characters (not without exception, of course).
  43. enema
    +4
    21 August 2013 17: 38
    Strange, but I always thought that the main symbol of Russia is the Kremlin.
    1. +1
      21 August 2013 19: 58
      Here is all about the state symbols of the Russian Federation
      State symbols of the Russian Federation
      ================
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix 1 to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation" (Drawing of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation in a multicolor version)
      Appendix 2 to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation" (Drawing of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation in a one-color version)
      ----------------
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Flag of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Flag of the Russian Federation" (Multicolor drawing of the State Flag of the Russian Federation)
      ----------------
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Anthem of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Anthem of the Russian Federation" (Musical version of the State Anthem of the Russian Federation)
      Decree of the President of the Russian Federation "On the text of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation"
      Text of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation
      Performance of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation
    2. 0
      22 August 2013 17: 09
      Quote: klyazma
      Strange, but I always thought that the main symbol of Russia is the Kremlin.

      That's it, and no false polls will change that.
  44. grafrozow
    +3
    21 August 2013 17: 42
    Ramzan Kadyrov called the possible victory in the competition of the Grozny mosque "the triumph of tolerance." And here it is impossible to disagree with him. It really will be a complete victory - and over Russian history, and over common sense ...
    Author Pavel Svyatenkov
    "Tolerance" was invented specifically for the Russian people, with such "innocent" votes you want to go to the gun store. Only our government does not see this. The mosque is a symbol of Russia, and then what ...
    1. +3
      21 August 2013 18: 41
      Quote: grafrozow
      "Tolerance"


      Tolerance is a medical concept, and means the inability of the body to resist harmful diseases.
      (If you messed up something in the verbatim - sorry, I'm not a medic. But the essence is true - I can vouch.)
      1. grafrozow
        +1
        21 August 2013 22: 24
        Quote: vadimN
        Tolerance is a medical concept, and means the inability of the body to resist harmful diseases.
        Not only medical, there is also engineering ability to find a compromise solution. But now we are talking about social tolerance.
  45. +8
    21 August 2013 17: 46
    The mosque is certainly good, but it was built on the money of Russian taxpayers, aimed in the form of subsidies for the restoration of Chechnya ... This offends. I am ready to help the needy regardless of his religion and nat. belonging, but I do not agree to build temples to his gods. Especially when our Russian shrines are destroyed by lack of funding!
  46. +2
    21 August 2013 17: 48
    Quote: tarks
    Just wondering who REALLY rules Russia?


    CAN SOME OF THEM?
  47. vladsolo56
    +2
    21 August 2013 17: 55
    Some kind of children's games. Symbols of Russia, I don’t understand who needs it, what symbols? For me, the symbols of Russia are broken roads, a constant rise in prices, and other misfortune. Who and whom is trying to blur their eyes, but what do I personally from all these characters. So the vote is sluggish, it just shows that the people are not up to the symbols, some organize races for luxury, others simply survive. here you have the symbols.
    1. +4
      21 August 2013 18: 51
      Quote: vladsolo56
      For me, the symbols of Russia are broken roads, a constant rise in prices, and other misfortune.

      Broken roads are not a symbol of Russia, but an objective manifestation of the climate and an indicator of the level of economic development of the region. If there is money, there are roads.
      2 years ago I drove from Novosibirsk to Biysk -380 km, the road is excellent.
      Last year I drove from Yekaterinburg to Kazan - 1100 km, the road is excellent.
      In the spring of this year, I traveled from Ivdel to Magnitogorsk - 820 km, the road is almost everywhere excellent, and in some places it is repaired.
      1. grafrozow
        +1
        21 August 2013 22: 31
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Last year I drove from Yekaterinburg to Kazan - 1100 km, the road is excellent.
        Forgot to add, in some places repair, for 5 years. Still try to drive along the Samara-Volgograd road, I promise extreme. YANAO is one of the economically developed regions of the Russian Federation, according to statistics, but the roads ...
        1. 0
          22 August 2013 18: 23
          Quote: grafrozow
          Forgot to add, in some places repair, for 5 years. Still try to drive along the Samara-Volgograd road, I promise extreme. YANAO is one of the economically developed regions of the Russian Federation, according to statistics, but the roads ...


          In the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, there can be no good roads (in the warm season) even theoretically, there are marshy tundra and long-term permafrost zone with a capacity of several tens of meters.
          They drive along winter roads, along rivers and through the air.
          You can, of course, build roads on stilts, with a piling depth of 20-50 m. But just a kilometer of that road will cost more than 300 km of the autobahn in Germany.
  48. +5
    21 August 2013 18: 04
    , "Yes, you yourself have become such weaklings! You yourself go down in the army in front of the lumps, you yourself sit in the subway and you do not care that there is a woman in front of you, like pigs themselves, they spoiled everything around, while drinking beer, raise sons and daughters who smoke since years! "(s)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    AFIRE said harshly and harshly, but, alas, not far from the truth.
    And it's not about voting. It's about a PROBLEM. The state in which the state-forming nation is in a lowered state is a fragile state.
    And if the authorities do not understand this, then it is necessary to choose another power - one that understands. And ask from it.

    No one but ourselves will suit us a normal life

    By the way, reasonable representatives of other nationalities should also understand that the destruction of Russia will bury both their well-being and their very existence.
    1. +2
      22 August 2013 19: 12
      Quote: Al Shahini
      "Yes, you yourself have become such weaklings! You yourself sink in the army in front of the lumps

      You are fundamentally wrong, I will explain how everything happens in the army. Draftees are distributed according to their abilities, strong, decisive, trained are sent to elite troops, weak and weak-willed, so to speak, to less elite - construction battalion, zheldorbat. But this applies to draftees from Russian regions (not only Russian). There are practically no recruits from the Caucasian republics to elite troops, despite the fact that he is an athlete, a sportsman, and even a master of sports. So it turns out that there is such, for example, a Dagestan who has a direct road to the Marine Corps - in the construction battalion, among all substandard conditions, those of the Russians who can repulse him serve in other troops. So Caucasians imagine themselves with navels of the earth, not understanding that if it comes to a real mess, they will have to deal with completely different soldiers.
  49. +7
    21 August 2013 18: 05
    Formal "multinationality" exists against the background of the unrecognition of the role of the Russian people. But at the same time with multinationality and non-recognition of Russians on the territory of the Russian Federation, there are 16 ethnic national state republics that no one is in a hurry to recognize as multinational and which protect the interests of their ethnic groups.

    The Russian people never needed any special recognition, and without this recognition it always dominated, dominates and will dominate in Russia and the former USSR.
    And the fact that non-Russian crime is protecting the Russophobian liberal power, so there is no direct fault of the Russian people, again we were ... deceived.
    In the Sverdlovsk region, the national authorities tried to intimidate the residents of Sagra, arrived brazenly, in cars, and ran into it. Their men took their guns, axes and pitchforks, killed one, and the rest drapanuli, putting on full pants. http://www.vsurikov.ru/2011p0711sagra.htm
    Not all crucians in Russia, there are perches.
    But the court sold Russia again, most of the bandits escaped with suspended sentences, and the cop officers of non-Russian nationality, who protected the bandit, are still free.
    1. +3
      21 August 2013 18: 44
      "Sholokhov revolt". Residents of the village of Veshenskaya in the Rostov region demand restrictive migration policy
      On August 12, rumors stubbornly crawled around the village of Vyoshenskaya and the village of Bazkovskaya that Russian guys were beaten up by "Chechens" or "Dagestanis" in the village of Bazkovskaya. 13-300 people gathered at the spontaneous rally in the village of Vyoshenskaya for 350 hours on the square near the district administration. There were representatives of public organizations, including representatives of the Communist Party, the Cossacks, warriors of border guard veterans and just residents of the village of Vyoshenskaya and Bazkovskaya.

      Press Service of the Sholokhov RK Communist Party
      2013-08-13 18:34

      The participants demanded a gathering of citizens of the Sholokhov district on issues of inaction by the authorities, regarding excessive migration of people of Caucasian ethnicity to the Sholokhov district, who, according to the participants of the spontaneous rally, destabilize the situation in the region, and at the end of last week, according to the same participants in the rally, they beat the village of Bazkovskaya of Russian guys, inflicting superficial cut wounds on them.

      The rally participants did not want to talk with the first deputy head of the district administration A. S. Blagodarov and with loud cries they began to call the head of the district. Neither the prosecutor, nor the appearing head of the district, O.N. Delnov, nor the representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were able to give intelligible answers to the population to the questions posed.

      The opinion of those gathered unambiguously is that the authorities are not able to restore order in the Sholokhov district. A week ago, the communists of the district warned in a letter from the governor of the Rostov region V. Golubev about the likelihood of an outbreak of unrest in the Sholokhov district on national grounds. However, neither the governor, nor the head of the Sholokhov district to the statement of the first secretary of the Sholokhov RK Communist Party Sutormina EA did not respond. Result on the face. The protesters will repeat their rally on Sunday 18 August, with specific requirements - claims to the existing government.
  50. And raid
    -8
    21 August 2013 18: 05
    In 1917 they killed the most noble ones, in 1922 they killed the most educated ones, in 1930 they killed the most enterprising ones, in 1937 they killed the most thinking ones, in 1941 a catastrophe and all especially patriots perished, then the "iron curtain" because pigs should live only in a nook to go to work! In Russia now live the descendants of those who remained, they are both the current elite and society and ... At least 200 years are needed for some decent national society to be born! But it's a pity only to live in this wonderful time ...
    1. +6
      21 August 2013 18: 16
      In 1917, the most notable were killed, in 1922 the most educated were killed, in 1930 the most enterprising were killed, in 1937 the most minded were killed, in 1941 a disaster struck and all especially patriots were killed, (c)
      ---------------------------------------------------------
      If they killed all the best, then he defeated the Nazis, revived the Country, built a powerful energy complex, conquered space and did much more?
      Varangians or what?

      The people - he is not killed. In place of the departing heroes / as well as the villains, too / are new ones. The whole question is who will prevail at a particular stage of development. Who will determine this development are ascetics and heroes, or crooks. and traders.

      And these tales about the allegedly "best" destroyed by the revolution, we will leave the slobbering intellects and the backsliders. If they really were the elite and the best, they simply would not create a revolutionary situation.
      1. And raid
        0
        21 August 2013 18: 23
        So this was tolerance, and now they pump oil and lick its ass so that the Indians do not blow up the oil towers!
      2. grafrozow
        -1
        21 August 2013 22: 53
        Quote: Al Shahini
        And these tales about the supposedly "best" destroyed by the revolution, we will leave the slobbering intellects and the backsliders
        Do you know who Sikorsky, Berezovsky, not BAB, but the designer of Mercedes engines, Bulganin ... You can read more. Who is sitting on your ridge? It's like you are sitting on our ridge, but soon we will put you on something below the waist. wassat
    2. -1
      21 August 2013 18: 31
      Quote: AndRade
      In 1917 they killed the most noble ones, in 1922 they killed the most educated ones, in 1930 they killed the most enterprising ones, in 1937 they killed the most thinking, in 1941 there was a disaster and all especially patriots died, then the "Iron Curtain"


      You have the wrong layout, in fact it was like this:
      In 1917, power was taken from parasites and degenerates who did not allow the country to develop.
      In 1922 they finished off the most aggressive, who dreamed again to drive the people into a slave yoke.
      In 1937, they cleared the country of the 5th column, of harmful projectors and loafers.
      In 1941-1945 The Soviet people, led by Communists and Komsomol members, cleansed the world of the brown fascist plague.
      The Iron Curtain was not established by the Bolsheviks and long before the Bolsheviks
      Before World War I, the Russian Empire was the only European country to enter whose territory a foreigner needed a passport, “as if they wanted to erect a barrier between different nations,” writes Maurice Druon

      The expression gained direct anti-Soviet meaning in 1919, when French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau uttered the phrase at the Paris Peace Conference: "We want to put an iron curtain around Bolshevism that will prevent it from destroying civilized Europe."

      The Iron Curtain is an informational, political and border barrier erected by the West in 1919-1920 and for several decades separating the USSR and other socialist countries from the capitalist countries of the West.
      The expression “Iron Curtain” got its modern meaning thanks to Winston Churchill, who used it in his Fulton speech.

      National Russian society in Russia was born no later than the 5th century AD, when in Europe there was not one of the modern states.
      Russia is the oldest state in Europe and one of the oldest in the world.
      1. And raid
        0
        21 August 2013 20: 49
        And what, for all this, it was necessary to kill the guys from the next street? By the way, Korolev, in my opinion, invented rockets at the resort, or in the Gulag? Many more idlers have died there, maybe your relatives' bones lie on the BAM. Well, not if it was worth it !!! And you say: "In 1937 they cleared the country of the 5th column, of harmful projectors and idlers."
        1. grafrozow
          0
          21 August 2013 23: 39
          Quote: AndRade
          , maybe your relatives have bones on BAM.
          The bones lie here-501 construction, today.
        2. sleepy
          +5
          22 August 2013 00: 06
          Quote: AndRade
          "And what, for all this it was necessary to kill the guys from the next street? By the way, Korolev, in my opinion at the resort, invented rockets,
          or in the GULAG? .. "


          S.P. Korolev was jailed for embezzlement of state money.
          Then they imprisoned everyone, regardless of their ranks, positions, or parents.
          But now they are not planting, but fined.

          "A little about the repressions of 1937. Not the Berievskys, but the Yezhovskys.
          The name Beria is primarily associated with repression.
          The simplest question: when were the "Beria repressions"?
          For the notorious "37th year" is the then chief of the NKVD Comrade Yezhov.
          Even the expression was - "hedgehogs".
          Post-war repressions were also carried out when Beria did not work in the organs, and when he arrived there in 1953, the first thing he did was to stop them.
          "Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR No. 0068" On the prohibition of the use of any measures of coercion and physical pressure against arrested persons. " 4 April 1953 city
          http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/documents/order0068.htm

          When there were “Beria rehabilitation” - this is clearly recorded in the history. And “Beria's repression” is a pure product of “black PR”.

          Beria also owns another invention of the era - "Sharashka".
          Among the arrested there were many people who were very necessary to the country.
          Of course, these were not poets and writers, about whom they shout most and loudest, but scientists, engineers, designers, working for defense.

          Repression in this environment is a special topic. Who and under what circumstances planted the developers of military equipment in the context of an impending war?
          The question is far from rhetorical.
          First, the in the NKVD there were real agents of Germany,
          who, according to real tasks of real German intelligence, tried to neutralize people useful to the Soviet defense complex.
          Second, the and there were no less “dissidents” in those days,
          than in the late 80s.
          Moreover, the environment is incredibly quarrelsome, and denunciation in it has always been a favorite means of settling bills and career growth.
          Be that as it may, having accepted the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs, Beria was faced with the fact: in his department was hundreds of arrested scientists and designers, whose work just before the cut, the country needs.

          As it is now fashionable to say - feel yourself Commissar!
          Before you lies the case. This person may be to blame, or may be innocent, but he is necessary. What to do? Write: “Free,” showing subordinates an example of lawlessness of the opposite property? Check things out?
          Yes, of course, but you have a closet in which 600 thousand cases.
          In fact, for each of them it is necessary to conduct a second investigation,
          but there are no frames. If we are talking about already convicted, we must also achieve the abolition of the sentence. Where to start? With scientists? With the military?
          And time goes on, people are sitting, the war is getting closer ...

          Beria quickly oriented. Already 10 January 1939, he signs an order to organize the Special Technical Bureau. The research topics are purely military: aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, shells, armor steel. From the experts of these industries, sitting in prisons, formed the whole group.

          When the opportunity turned up, Beria tried to free these people. For example, on May 25, 1940, the aircraft designer Tupolev was sentenced to 15 years in camps, and in the summer he was released under an amnesty.
          A large group of developers of military equipment released
          in the summer of 1941, another one - in 1943, the rest got freedom
          from 1944 to 1948 ... "
          http://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/432101.html
          1. -1
            22 August 2013 00: 13
            Plus, buddy, these s-ki are so doused with mud that it’s very difficult to clean. They are like the mantra-Beria is a villain, a sadist, a sexual pervert ... And if Lavrenty Pavlovich would come to power after Joseph Vissarionovich, the country would only win and strengthened even more. I can cite many such examples
            1. sleepy
              0
              23 August 2013 01: 16
              Quote: Den 11
              "And if - after Iosif Vissarionovich Lavrenty Pavlovich came to power, the country would only win and strengthen
              even stronger. I can give a lot of such examples. "


              So it is necessary to give more examples.
              No arguing against the facts.
      2. grafrozow
        -3
        21 August 2013 23: 12
        Quote: Corsair5912
        In 1941-1945 The Soviet people, led by Communists and Komsomol members, cleansed the world of the brown fascist plague.
        And in 1939 was this plague white and fluffy? A parade in Brest, what can I say? Who helped this plague get on its feet?
        1. 0
          21 August 2013 23: 21
          Stupid question, but the shavers did it for you, and the United States raised money. Well, you picture Bush art. and do not post Hussein?
          1. grafrozow
            0
            21 August 2013 23: 41
            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            but the shavers did it for you, and the us raised money.
            For whom, "for you"?
        2. +1
          21 August 2013 23: 26
          By the way very tolerant --- German man pens with a Jew
        3. sleepy
          +5
          22 August 2013 01: 21
          Quote: grafrozow
          "And in 1939 this plague was white and fluffy? Parade in Brest, what do you say? Who helped this plague to get back on its feet?"


          Hitler brought to power American financial corporations interested in the supply of equipment and weapons to the belligerents.
          There was no joint parade in Brest - this is a myth,
          invented by Goebbels and inflated by Suvorov (Rezun).

          It was not a joint parade, but a solemn withdrawal of German troops
          from Brest.
          German documentaries skillfully mixed footage of the German parade
          with shots of passing Soviet tanks related to time,
          not coinciding with the time of the "parade".
          They also “diluted” their report with shots of Soviet troops standing on the side streets, waiting for the Germans to withdraw their troops.
          But in fact, after the Polish government cowardly abandoned its people, parts of the Red Army occupied the territories captured by Polish interventionists in the 20s, Russia, waging war with the interventionists (England, Germany, USA, Poland, Japan), and with internal enemies.
          After Stalin politely asked Hitler to clear Brest,
          the Germans proudly and retired.
          Is this called a joint parade?
          Or did Stalin have to watch the Germans occupy the Russian territories that were torn away from Russia by the Polish invaders in the 20s?
          1. sleepy
            +2
            22 August 2013 01: 58
            Who brought Hitler to power?
            "Begins active cooperation of American corporations
            with the German in terms of militarization of Germany.

            Schacht, Rosenberg and Hugenberg drafted and presented in London a memorandum in which they proved that only Germany could save Europe from the "danger of Bolshevism", so it should be allowed and helped to arm itself.

            Hitler was originally a puppet that was used to
            "Reformat of Europe", a blow to Russia
            and not for the purpose of the German "New World Order", but for the establishment of the American "World Order". "
            http://topwar.ru/5433-kak-a-gitlera-delali-vozhdem-germanskoy-nacii.html

            "To understand the true causes of the outbreak of World War II and aggression against the Soviet Union, you need to know who stood
            for the German Nazis and was the true customer and culprit of the global massacre
            that claimed and crippled tens of millions of lives. Otherwise, the lack of information leads to the fact that people begin to believe the fables that the "bloody villain" Stalin and the totalitarian USSR were the instigators of World War II. The most arrogant "researchers" agreed beforethat the USSR and Stalin personally helped Hitler come
            to power to crush the countries of "Western democracy" ...
            ... In recent years, serious research has begun to appear,
            that say that the key structures that defined
            a long-term development strategy for the West, after the end of the First World War, were the main financial institutions of England and the USA -
            Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve (Fed).
            Behind them stood certain financial and industrial organizations, clans and families, which are called the "Golden Elite" ...
            ...It is the "golden rain" from England and the USA,
            the transfer of advanced technologies, political and “moral” support made Germany the leader of Europe.
            Hitler was allowed to take Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia without a fight.
            Turned a blind eye to the repeal of the provisions of the Versailles Accords,
            which concerned the armed forces, military construction in Germany.
            Thus was created a first-class German army.
            It becomes clear "strange war" on the Western Front,
            when the Wehrmacht crushed Poland, the victorious march across France and the strange "escape" to Great Britain of Rudolf Hess, his no less strange death many years later. This can also explain the miraculous "rescue" of British troops near Dunkirk, as well as the strange choice of Berlin's strategy - an attack on the USSR, instead of finishing off England by capturing Gibraltar, Suez, and going through the Middle East to Persia and India ... ".
            http://topwar.ru/23598-kto-privel-gitlera-k-vlasti.html
            1. sleepy
              0
              22 August 2013 02: 24
              As the Americans got rich in World War II.

              "America got the most wealth during WWII:
              On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania.
              He left the country with them and Polish gold reserve.
              Soon Polish gold appeared in France
              . Then in France for a short period it turned out that the gold of defeated Belgium
              in large quantities imported to Belgium from the Congo before the war.
              On June 14, 1940, the Germans entered Paris, and on the 19th, Brest left the newly built French battleship Richelieu.
              On June 23, the battleship arrived safely on the shores of French Senegal ...
              ... In the holds of the battleship was the gold of Poland, Belgium, part of the gold of the Netherlands, and most importantly, the gold reserve of the French National Bank, which amounted to 1940 billion 2 million dollars at the end of May 477 - the largest in interwar Europe.
              Until November 1942, the Richelieu calmly stood off the coast of French Senegal. True, on July 4, 1940, the so-called Mers-El-Kebir incident occurred. The British, who were allies of France two weeks ago, unexpectedly attacked French ships at the naval base of Mers El Kebir in Algeria. As a result of the shelling carried out by the guns of the English battleships "Barham" and "Resolution" the French lost several battleships, as well as 1230 people killed, 310 missing and 311 wounded.
              On November 8, 1942, American troops landed in Dakar.
              The Richelieu received new injuries that day: five hits of sixteen-inch shells fired from the American battleship Massachusetts caused an explosion of loaded guns in the upper right half-tower.
              On January 30, 1943, the Americans took Richelieu to New York ...
              Gold was in the hands of the Americans and migrated from the battleship holds to the Fort Knox vaults.
              http://www.anaga.ru/2/4/KAk-razbogatela-America.htm

              And more about the activities of the Americans.

              "Complete List of All United States War Crimes".
              http://oko-planet.su/oko-planet/politik/politiklist/71678-polnyy-spisok-vseh-voe
              nnyh-prestupleniy-connectedinennyh-shtatov-ameriki.html

              US Congress Act 86-90 (1959):
              "The United States should strive to dismember the Soviet monster into 22 states." Among them, besides Ukraine, Belarus and other republics of the Union, Siberia, the Far East, the Urals are named ...
              The law has not been repealed so far.
              http://www.usinfo.ru/rossijaindex.htm
          2. grafrozow
            0
            22 August 2013 15: 47
            Quote: sleepy
            There was no joint parade in Brest - this is a myth,
            invented by Goebbels and inflated by Suvorov (Rezun).
            The procedure for the transfer of the city ended with the passage of a solemn march along the central street of the city of units of the 19th motorized corps of the Wehrmacht and the 29th separate tank brigade of the Red Army, commander of the 29th OTB-Semyon Krivoshein. He also writes about this in his book "Inter-Race" s261. I understand your desire to make our history beautiful, but what about the facts?
            1. grafrozow
              0
              22 August 2013 19: 50
              Quote: grafrozow
              On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania.

              and on September 17 the troops of the Red Army went on a "liberation" campaign. Why are you silent about this?
              1. sleepy
                0
                23 August 2013 01: 26
                Quote: grafrozow
                "On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania, and on September 17, the Red Army troops went on a" liberation "campaign. Why keep quiet about this?"


                On September 1, 1939, Germany attacked Poland, which was also an aggressor - capturing part of Czechoslovakia and cherishing plans to create "Greater Poland" at the expense of the USSR. The Polish elite made a strategic miscalculation, thinking that Germany would hit the USSR,
                leaving Poland independent. The Polish armed forces were poorly prepared for the war, in addition, the military-political leadership betrayed the country, having fled from the capital, and then from Poland.
                The Polish state ceased to exist.
                Moscow has improved its military strategic position,
                reclaiming Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.
                England and France left their ally to their fate -
                so called “Strange war”, although during this period they still had a military opportunity to punish the aggressor.
                Militarily France, England, Poland and their allies -
                Belgium and Holland, had a significant superiority in the number of divisions, tanks, aircraft, guns.
                Poland was simply surrendered to Hitler, hoping that he would hit the USSR.

                Hitler captured Poland.
                Stalin returned Western Belarus and Western Ukraine to Russia.
                After the Polish government fled.
                And what kind of joint parade are we talking about?
                Could the newsreel of this event be preserved?
                1. sleepy
                  +1
                  23 August 2013 01: 44
                  At one time, I also read Suvorov (Rezun) about
                  that Hitler was brought to power by Stalin.
                  But more and more facts are being published that Hitler was brought to power by American financial circles.
                  The same American circles are now pursuing a "divide and rule" policy in Russia, for example, they are playing off Muslims
                  with the Russians, as much has been written in the comments on this article -
                  about incitement of hostility in Russia and at the same time it’s somehow forgotten,
                  that the main enemy is overseas and is waiting for its moment.

                  And Suvorov (Rezun) simply borrowed the basic ideas from Goebbels.
                  and edited according to his goals.
                  Goebbels propaganda is the primary source on the Internet.
                  The document is published according to the publication: What the Soviet government hides
                  from the people and what everyone should know. - B.M., b.d. -63s
                  I. WHO IS THE INITIATOR OF WAR.
                  II. WHY STALIN DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THIS WAR DOMESTIC.
                  III: "MARXISM, JEWISH AND THEIR LEADING ROLE IN THE USSR" - section deleted.
                  IV. THE ONE LEADER OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE - ADOLF HITLER.
                  V. NATIONAL-SOCIALISM - THE BASIS OF STATE SYSTEM OF GERMANY.

                  VI. Stalin pulled the peoples of the USSR into the war.
                  "... After, having warned the Stalinist plan to invade the Red Army into Germany for several weeks, Adolf Hitler ordered the German armed forces to cross the eastern borders, the time has come for the systematic liberation of the entire population of the USSR
                  from Jewish-communist slavery ... "

                  USSR in the mirror of Nazi propaganda.
                  http://psyfactor.org/lib/gogun13.htm

                  Why read out Suvorov (Rezun),
                  when you can read the source - Goebbels.
  51. Toporkoff
    +3
    21 August 2013 18: 22
    The “divide and conquer” principle is thousands of years old, everyone knows it and still falls for a scam like this vote. They divided the Russians, united the Chechens, alienated the Chechens from the Russians - rule it or not. The vote must be cancelled.
  52. +5
    21 August 2013 18: 23
    Russia (judging by our history) has one remarkable and unique property. This is to periodically cleanse itself of all the ghouls, bloodsuckers, bugs stuck to the body... The process is always very painful.. and the wounds bleed for a long time, but Russia after such cleansing becomes even stronger and more powerful ..For us, I think this process began at the initial stage..It’s a shame, the itching all over the body hurts..(everyone has experienced mosquito bites..you kill a mosquito and the bite itches..you just want to pick it with a knife, but you can’t bear it..)I somehow figuratively, but I think we understood the meaning.. These are the things..))
  53. +5
    21 August 2013 18: 30
    Considering the current state of Russian society, this is a harmful and stupid competition! Harmful - because they are again trying to push Russians against Chechens! Stupid - because you have to be a complete idiot to believe that Russians, who make up about 80 percent of the Russian population, would choose a mosque with the name “heart of Chechnya” as a symbol of Russia! And abroad, the symbol of Russia has always BEEN AND WILL REMAIN St. Basil's Cathedral and the Moscow Kremlin, no matter how anyone puffs up, and with Russian money!
    1. And raid
      +1
      21 August 2013 18: 37
      The competition is still okay, fly south with a wedge of cranes, lead a flock of salmon to spawn in the upper reaches of the river - that’s the topic! After all, the country is thriving, point your finger at a millionaire, and the roads are in order, and people live entirely in palaces!!! This is our opinion, be proud of your master flaw!
  54. 0
    21 August 2013 18: 34
    It’s not clear what the author wanted? What, what bad Chechens or what unfortunate Russians? So go ahead and vote 3 times every day and don’t cry that you are offended by the Chechens, the authorities, Kadyrov and whoever else. Who is to blame for the fact that the mosque got more votes than the Kremlin? Kadyrov?, power? or maybe we ourselves?
  55. +5
    21 August 2013 18: 54
    "Pugachevsky riot" in the Nurlatsky district. Why are the media silent about the situation in Tatarstan? Anatomy of an ordinary "everyday" conflict

    In Tatarstan, events unfolded much more abruptly. But the “big” federal media hardly noticed them.

    The first “Pugachev” outbreak occurred in the purely peaceful Tatar village of Kurmanaevo with a population of 712 people. Sleepy life there ended in 2005, after Tajik migrants settled in the village. It seems like a small number, only five families, but that was enough... The first conflict with the visitors happened in the droughty year of 2010, when Tatar Ilnur Salakhov had a fight with his Tajik neighbors, the Khudoevs, because of the pranks of their children, who were spilling water from a well. The case ended in a fist fight with the participation of other Tajiks who arrived from the regional center of Nurlat. Further more. Kurmanaevsk Tatar girls began to be sexually harassed by Tajiks. Attempts to “reason” with the visitors were immediately stopped by local officials and police arriving from the same regional center; she always took the side of migrants. All the “reproaches” fell on the heads of the Tatars, since there are almost no Russians and Orthodox Christians in Kurmanaev...
    Thunder struck in May 2013, when, after another “school conflict” (Tajiks harassing schoolgirls), the Tatar population gathered and strictly demanded that the annoying guests leave the village. “If the authorities do nothing, there will be a war here. We want one thing – let them leave here, every single one of them,” said the participants of the gathering. The call worked. Tajik migrants were offended by their fellow villagers and said that since they don’t like us here, we will all move to the city of Nurlat, closer to civilization. The Tatars were delighted - after all, of all the Tajiks, only one was officially listed as a shepherd, and everyone had money. It remains unclear where unemployed migrants got them from. They were selling drugs, perhaps...

    In general, the Tatar-Tajik separation seems to have ended the conflict. But the happy ending was short-lived. On the night of July 27-28, “friendship of peoples” exploded in Nurlat itself. In a popular social network group where residents of the regional center communicate, the incident is described as follows:
    “On the night of July 27-28, a fight broke out between Dagestanis and local residents in a cafe at the bus station. The cause of the conflict was a quarrel between a Caucasian man nicknamed “Fedya” (Fanil Akhmetov) and a group of locals. The guys from the Caucasus grabbed knives and pistols, but the locals were not afraid and accepted the challenge. Proving who was boss, the locals defeated the Caucasians and smashed Uncle Fyodor’s BMW. And on the afternoon of July 28, local Tatars “shot the gun” at the Dagestanis, but instead of the Caucasians, police officers arrived...”

    Further, according to the official version of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Tatarstan, events developed as follows. The police asked the guys to disperse, but they reacted to this very impudently. One of the law enforcement officers fired into the air, after which the crowd slowly began to disperse. But three dozen young people were still detained and taken to Kazan, where they were given several days of administrative arrest.
    But against the backdrop of the Kazan trials of Nurlat “extremists,” another incident occurred in Nurlat itself. On July 29, on the road between Karaulnaya Gora and Mamykovo, the police detained a detachment of bearded Caucasians who were driving cars to help the Caucasians in Nurlat. Among those detained was a man who was on the international wanted list.

    In July, the media focused on the conflict “Orthodox Russians against Muslim Caucasians” in Pugachev. But to talk about the conflict between the Muslim Tatars and the “common faith” Caucasians and Tajiks... Here you can’t blame anything on “Russian xenophobia”; you will have to pay attention to the very specific Islam among visitors, and to their strange ability to find themselves in leadership positions in local “ organs,” and the attraction of Tajik migrants to cheerful Caucasian horsemen, and much more.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      +1
      21 August 2013 19: 14
      Some Tatars are not fellow Muslims; they have different currents of Islam! The Tatars are Hanafis, by the way, this is the most peaceful movement of Sunni Islam! And the Caucasians are Sufis, a more radical movement.
      1. +5
        21 August 2013 20: 45
        Taras and Russians have always lived in harmony, but all extremist banditry was suppressed and Tataria began to seethe. I lived for many years among the Tatars and Bashkirs and I can say with full responsibility that they are very sincere and sympathetic people. Previously, there were never problems about who that he believes all religions respected each other. And who actually invited these migrants?
        1. 0
          22 August 2013 07: 23
          Mendel David Aaronovich
  56. -5
    21 August 2013 18: 58
    Stupid article! What does tolerance have to do with it? It’s just that the Chechens, unlike some Russians, love their Motherland and voted (for days on end, sparing no expense) for the symbol of their republic, no matter what, no matter how hard their life was, they will still love their Motherland and Kadyrov, the man who is a true patriot of the land on which he was born, just like Putin, just like Sobyanin!
    What does the Chechens have to do with it, when half of the Russian youth dream of living like the Americans, these fat slackers, dream of “getting out” of this godforsaken “Rashka”! If only half of the youth who dream of American life could be forced to live in the times in which our ancestors lived, then they would sing differently, and understand how hard it is, and appreciate what our fathers and grandfathers gave us!
    It is necessary to raise patriotic education to a higher level, recently this has been done, but slowly, but the most important thing is that there are such steps!
    There is no need to incite national hatred; Russia, like the USSR, is a multinational state, and there is nothing wrong with that.
    Russians, start with yourself, live more correctly and don’t blame others for your failures!
    1. +1
      21 August 2013 19: 26
      Judging by your nickname, you love Russia very much!!!
    2. -1
      21 August 2013 19: 36
      mredbest
      Your words made me feel sick. Troll?
      1. -4
        21 August 2013 19: 39
        You seem to have eaten something wrong!
        1. -2
          21 August 2013 19: 43
          Quote: MREDBEST
          You seem to have eaten something wrong!

          No, that's not what you said.
  57. +3
    21 August 2013 19: 32
    Quote: 6Sunrise9
    If the Russians return to Chechnya, then they need to create Russian settlements (cities, villages), they need to bring in their own Russian administration and police, revive the Cossack army and distribute weapons to every Russian... a pistol, a shotgun, a Kalash, etc.

    I would like to look at that fool who will take his family to live in a fortress next to animals, to whom cutting off a person’s head is the same as dropping into a bush. Notice that a whole generation of these evil spirits has grown up, they are much worse than those who were before.
  58. 0
    21 August 2013 19: 41
    Quote: almost demobilized
    You are there with the Naglian flag

    I also have it marked “GB”, as I understand it, Gibraltar.
    1. +1
      22 August 2013 21: 55
      Not Gibraltar, this is the designation of Great Britain according to the international ISO standard.
  59. +1
    21 August 2013 19: 43
    Let there be no “heart of Chechnya”....! Better develop patriotism in your children! Everyone should ask themselves: “What useful things have I done (will I do) for RUSSIA?” Maybe then at least something will change for the better....
  60. -1
    21 August 2013 19: 49
    judging by the article, and by the votes, + by the comments, there is already sedition here, divide and conquer, which is what the organizers of this show did
  61. +1
    21 August 2013 19: 49
    21.08.13/800/000, 4 voted on the site, 800 - via SMS. 000*6= everyone knows. So we get an elementary explanation - how many are in the civil service in Chechnya? The mosque is named after Kadyrov. Why are you throwing mud at each other here? Is there anything to scratch your tongue on?
  62. 0
    21 August 2013 19: 57
    Quote: Alexej
    Quote: afire
    you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!

    To the point +. If it comes to a fight, you have to fight while conscious. If a crowd is beating someone, hide behind him, no matter how scary it is. Are beatings really worse than the knowledgethat you are a coward and selfish? Who cares what it will be a symbol of, and if so, who will it be for? And when is the next vote? Tolerance is in order! A man, no matter where he is from, is still a man. You need to ask everyone the same, without generalizing.
    And the other day the poet is visiting
    There was a novelist Eugene of Nesosnazanskaya.
    I ate vodka and wept bitterly
    About Holy Orthodox Russia.

    So no need to sob, sobbing is too easy. smile



    Yes, this is not a beating, this is a knife in the liver or heart from a mentally retarded Caucasian teenager, and our government will also acquit them, and then they will flaunt their impunity, if our government does not want to protect its people, then soon the people will begin to defend themselves and from ghouls and from such power.
  63. +1
    21 August 2013 20: 00
    The fish rots from the head! This is an old truth. hi
    If tolerants rule the state, there will be trouble.
    Only with the active support of the authorities do national people behave brazenly and defiantly.
    If the authorities (Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, prosecutor's office, etc.) persecuted and punished them for misdeeds and crimes, they would behave quietly. request
    I really wouldn't want blood, but it looks like it will be shed soon. The Russians will run out of patience and then there will be trouble - where they will see the Chechens, Dags and others there and will kill them.
    Many innocent people will die.
    Hey Power, motherfucker, think about it, otherwise it will be too late. stop
  64. +4
    21 August 2013 20: 07
    As for tolerance, etc., this is what they say - they don’t interfere with someone else’s monastery with their own rules. Dozens of Muslims live in my house, from the Caucasus and the Pamirs. Believe me - if a man (or whatever their newcomers are)... My children happily run around the yards without any problems. Everything I need to know I learn from my neighbors. We get on with our lives. Another thing is when I go out onto the road. And they cut, and substitute, and push back. But the Slavs are trying to explain something in response, and the guests are pointing the gun out the car window. A Russian with a gun is a repeat offender, etc., a newcomer is offended by everyone - for self-defense. Give guns to the population, make a normal gun law. A year or two and all this will stop. A guest will give money - it’s normal, a Russian will be imprisoned for giving a bribe. I'm tired of writing, but aren't you tired of living like this?
  65. +1
    21 August 2013 20: 32
    Who is stopping you from voting several times a day for the Kolomna Kremlin on the Russia 10 website?
    Enough of this crap, start moving at least this way.
  66. drei612
    -1
    21 August 2013 20: 42
    I agree with the article.
  67. 6 sunrise 9
    +1
    21 August 2013 20: 42
    Quote: Yeraz
    Can't let go


    They even explained to you in Russian how you can’t live with a neighboring state, the 2nd Avgan near Stavropol is unnecessary, let them go to Saud. In Arabia, Sharia law has been established there. Tell you about “pure Islam” without embellishment; it has already been established in the Persian monarchies. Gulf, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and you know this type of Islam, which is much worse than fascism.
    1. +2
      21 August 2013 21: 50
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      They even explained to you in Russian how you can’t live with a neighboring state, the 2nd Avgan next to Stavrapol is unnecessary,

      and I’m telling you in Russian. If they become an INDEPENDENT state and, as an independent state, invade the sovereign territories of the Russian Federation, then you will be reduced to powder as an aggressor who has invaded the territory of a sovereign state. But not when it is part of Russia and they are full citizens of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      Tell you about “pure Islam” without embellishment; it has already been established in the Persian monarchies. Gulf, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and you know this type of Islam, which is much worse than fascism.

      Well, the Saudis, considering that they are killing Shiites on the basis that they are Shiites, are already casting a shadow on the purity of Islam there.
      Islam is normal in Iran, why is it worse than fascism?
      But I won’t say anything about Pakistan and Afghanistan; I don’t like to argue about topics I’m not aware of.
      1. The comment was deleted.
  68. 0
    21 August 2013 20: 46
    Quote: zennon
    I don’t need it, it’s you who show off under it

    Are you, to put it mildly, incomprehensible or what? I’ll explain in Russian, this abomination was given to me from somewhere above, as my comrades on the forum explained, it’s from an Internet company, i.e. provider. Is it clear or will you continue to cling?
    1. 0
      21 August 2013 21: 13
      Is it clear or will you continue to cling?

      Don't be angry, I won't! hi But think for yourself: the flag is English, and the forum member is talking about “sore issues.” Well, how can I filter you? Internet companies, i.e. Say hello to the provider.
      1. +2
        21 August 2013 22: 08
        Quote: zennon
        : the flag is English, and the forum member is talking about “sore issues.” Well, how can I filter you?

        Well, we finally figured it out, although I think I’ve been fooled more than once by others. But regarding razors, we are in solidarity with you! drinks
  69. +1
    21 August 2013 20: 58
    I went to the site and couldn’t believe my eyes, it was shocking....what the f...k Kadyrov’s mosque...Russia, what’s wrong with you? the last time I came was my mother’s homeland... we’ve reached the end... we all vote for the 2nd position Kolomna Kremlin three times every day..... this cannot be allowed
  70. 0
    21 August 2013 21: 00
    You know, this article is the basics of Public Relations, this is an example of how articles of this genre are written and why they are written. If anyone doesn’t believe it, then read the comments from the very beginning and Google what Public Relations is.
    This is the basis and foundation of modern journalism, which shapes and controls the public opinion of society and well. . . . .
  71. +5
    21 August 2013 21: 02
    I can say that mosques and churches are being built in Kazakhstan. There are, of course, more of the first, but here you can look at photographs of the Assumption Cathedral in Astana
  72. +4
    21 August 2013 21: 03
    It’s a very beautiful building and no one here is against churches, synagogues and churches.
    1. 0
      21 August 2013 21: 14
      This is, of course, a church. Beautiful lighting, etc. But something doesn’t feel (I don’t even know how to say) - Orthodoxy, or something. Maybe I’m wrong
      1. +2
        21 August 2013 21: 17
        In terms of? Please explain, I just, as a Muslim, cannot immediately understand and appreciate it. =)) And the top photo too?
        1. +2
          21 August 2013 21: 26
          It’s difficult to explain. It’s somewhere inside. But you’re still great! Honor and praise to your leaders for not forgetting about the Orthodox. It’s chaotic, but somehow so. And the top photo is a typical Russian Orthodox Church. No rejection
          1. +5
            21 August 2013 21: 39
            So this is the same church! laughing In general, I realized that the lighting simply does not suit religious buildings.

            Quote: Den 11
            .But you are still great! Honor and praise to your leaders for not forgetting about the Orthodox


            The main thing is mutual respect. The rest will follow. Russians and Kazakhs and all other peoples, both Kazakhstan and Russia, must always remember this.
            1. 0
              21 August 2013 22: 16
              I assumed that you would answer that this is the same church. And lighting is generally unnecessary. Not in our traditions
              1. +2
                21 August 2013 22: 44
                By the way, in the city of Temirtau an Orthodox church and a mosque were built across the road from each other. It looks very symbolic. good
                1. +2
                  21 August 2013 22: 52
                  Interestingly, there is some connection between Temirtau (Kazakhstan) and Kumertau (Bashkiria) - my wife is from there
                  1. +2
                    21 August 2013 23: 51
                    Temirtau - iron mountain. Kumertau, also some kind of mountain (tau).
                    1. Marek Rozny
                      +3
                      23 August 2013 10: 30
                      “Kumer” in Bashkir is the same as “komir” in Kazakh. Literally, "coal mountain". It sounds almost the same. It’s just that they made different alphabets for us in the 30s and 40s, so the words are visually different.
  73. 0
    21 August 2013 21: 08
    I just watched the results of the first stage, the Golden Abode of Buddha Shakyamuni Temple won...... in a daze... where do I live? this is all good, of course, but this should not be in first place in Russia
    1. Pensioner
      0
      23 August 2013 01: 39
      This is probably a Buddhist temple in Elista. In fact, only a third of the population there are Buddhists, mostly Russian Orthodox live and a very beautiful church and chapels have been built. And the Buddhists “voted” unanimously for the “Golden Abode of Buddha”, probably in “counterbalance” to the Chechen mosque. Probably this is a kind of “protest” against the imposition of a Chechen mosque as a symbol of Russia. If in Chechnya itself this race for voting occurs under ideological pressure, then it is easier for Buddhists with their temple. Like any other faith, they also have many different movements in religion. But unlike Christians and Muslims, Buddhists are peaceful and more friendly, and Buddhism is being professed by more and more people of different nationalities. And in the West it is more popular than here. So Buddhists from all over the world and Russia “voted” for this monastery. So that Chechnya does not insist too much on the primacy of its mosque. But by and large, Buddhists do not need this primacy, their religion is not arrogant, but peace-loving.
      1. sleepy
        0
        23 August 2013 01: 50
        I like Buddhism and Buddhists.
        Let them remain in first place.

        PS But they are destroying the wrong mandalas.
  74. +1
    21 August 2013 21: 40
    Please note that of the votes cast for the mosque, 85% came via SMS voting. And since SMS can be voted countless times, we conclude that Ramzanka has put several goblins on his cell phone and they are trying to send SMS until their fingers ache. And he only manages to replenish his accounts with subsidized money.
  75. 0
    21 August 2013 21: 54
    This is bullshit, not a vote, because... You can vote via SMS a day without an even number of times. Please note that of the votes cast for the mosque, 85% came via SMS. All an interested person needs to do is instruct several subordinates to send SMS from their phone, just have time to top up the account with subsidized money.
  76. 0
    21 August 2013 22: 25
    I read the post and comments.
    It felt disgusting, as if I had touched something dirty.
    I went to wash my hands.
  77. The Indian Joe
    0
    21 August 2013 22: 25
    If Russians in Russia are made the titular nation, then each nation can demand its right to self-determination. And farewell, great Russia... Nationalism is EVIL, minus the article.
    1. +2
      21 August 2013 22: 42
      Well, you give it. Russians are already the titular nation in Russia. After all, what does the term “titular nation” mean? This is the nation whose name is the state. wink
  78. +4
    21 August 2013 22: 29
    And to hell with voting! Let non-people power amuse itself. But here we are, let’s start small - for example, I don’t buy anything anywhere from non-Russians, I don’t get into taxis with non-Russians, I don’t talk to non-Russians unless necessary, I don’t shake hands with them. Let's just distance ourselves from them to begin with. Let's just ignore them at the everyday level.
    And now the second paragraph is an attempt to explain my point of view!
    Yes, many will say - all these are trifles and are not worth a damn. I, in turn, will object - don’t tell me - big bais should be destroyed - by destroying their minions and jackals. By forcing us to hire a Russian as just a stupid seller in the Russian market, we will thereby put them into, albeit meager, but dependence. Further - more, stupidly not getting into their jalopies (even more comfortable ones), we will force them to leave this sphere - no money - no black parasites (I also found - cab drivers, b.l.i. - let them go to work for factories). Then we don’t talk to them, yes, I have to admit that it’s not always possible to do this, but no one will forbid you from not answering the appeal and question of a visiting guest, simply turning your head in the opposite direction and remaining silent...
    And so on and so forth…
    I repeat again - my words will seem to many like the behavior of children in kindergarten. And let it be simple, let’s start small! And, and thus, we will put the outraged guests in their place - well, like, ... - where they belong.
    1. Pensioner
      0
      22 August 2013 01: 36
      Not answering a “visiting guest” by turning your head away is simple lack of culture. And the urge to “don’t buy” from “non-Russians” is just naivety. In markets, in stores, behind the counters are the same migrant workers from Ukraine and Moldova who go for the “Russians”, but they work in tandem with their dark-skinned owners. The same Azerbaijanis, Armenians, and other “Asian-Caucasian” nationalities. Your money still flows into their pockets. This petty protest of yours is not to communicate, not using the services is a “mosquito bite”. It is necessary to control the legality locally: who allowed it, who is “protecting” if the activity is illegal. There are local bodies for this, officials who are responsible for illegal activities.
      1. 0
        22 August 2013 12: 43
        I agree that my protest is a mosquito bite, moreover, it is even less than a mosquito bite. And this fact is indicated in my comment - I am not so naive as to believe that such little things can move mountains. But let’s start with this mosquito bite, then another bite, another... Regarding lack of culture - but at my wedding they didn’t shoot machine guns into the air - just as guests don’t follow the rules of behavior in someone else’s house - so I’m not going to in their respect adhere to the laws of hospitality. I repeat again - I perfectly understand the pettiness of my attempts, but I don’t have the opportunity to “monitor the rule of law locally” - this, accordingly, should be done by people with the appropriate powers, if you have such powers - then get down to business, if not - offer yours decision, and for now I will little by little bite the mosquito in an uncultured manner.
      2. 0
        22 August 2013 12: 43
        I agree that my protest is a mosquito bite, moreover, it is even less than a mosquito bite. And this fact is indicated in my comment - I am not so naive as to believe that such little things can move mountains. But let’s start with this mosquito bite, then another bite, another... Regarding lack of culture - but at my wedding they didn’t shoot machine guns into the air - just as guests don’t follow the rules of behavior in someone else’s house - so I’m not going to in their respect adhere to the laws of hospitality. I repeat again - I perfectly understand the pettiness of my attempts, but I don’t have the opportunity to “monitor the rule of law locally” - this, accordingly, should be done by people with the appropriate powers, if you have such powers - then get down to business, if not - offer yours decision, and for now I will little by little bite the mosquito in an uncultured manner.
        1. Pensioner
          0
          23 August 2013 02: 30
          If one of the “guests” behaves badly, you need to deal with them appropriately. If you ask something politely, answer politely in the same way. In my opinion, this would be correct. There are a lot of proposals, and they are already starting to work “on places" throughout Russia. In regions, in populated areas, centers of the Russian diaspora are being created. It is no secret that all nationalities have their own centers that protect the interests of their brothers, even criminal elements. Only Russians in their country do not have protection: neither state, nor law enforcement agencies, nor officials. Russians cannot apply for the violation of their rights, because he himself can be accused of extremism and God knows what else. And corrupt bribe-takers, officials and government officials will be on the side of those who “feeds” them. That’s why human rights public organizations are being created locally, where a patriot of Russia can come and declare where the rights of Russians are being violated, where and by whom harm is being done to the Russian state. And who are the corrupt accomplices. Once “from above” "do not act in the interests of the Russians, the opposition movement began from below."
  79. DPN
    +2
    21 August 2013 22: 50
    The article is simply rubbish; when the USSR was collapsing, they also wrote the same nonsense. They got the Russian Federation, it looks like they want to destroy it, split it into separate principalities. The trouble is that RUSSIAN PEOPLE have not learned to ask and give justice to their rulers; they are not subject to jurisdiction under the constitution. Someone was responsible for the collapse of the UNION, for the same war in CHECHEN. So it turns out that there is no normal leader in Rus' yet.
  80. DPN
    0
    21 August 2013 22: 50
    The article is simply rubbish; when the USSR was collapsing, they also wrote the same nonsense. They got the Russian Federation, it looks like they want to destroy it, split it into separate principalities. The trouble is that RUSSIAN PEOPLE have not learned to ask and give justice to their rulers; they are not subject to jurisdiction under the constitution. Someone was responsible for the collapse of the UNION, for the same war in CHECHEN. So it turns out that there is no normal leader in Rus' yet.
    1. +1
      21 August 2013 22: 55
      HDP people simply forgot how the process of the collapse of the USSR began. and it all started with interethnic conflicts, which instantly spread throughout the entire union. And led to collapse, because there was no longer that monolith that was there before the bear-tagged one. Now they are just starting to turn on that same old record, which is not surprising. after all, it already worked once(((. I completely agree with you
  81. 0
    21 August 2013 22: 55
    All these ratings and voting are bullshit. Firstly, here every sandpiper praises his swamp. But most importantly, how can you compare incomparable things? This is all ours - Russian (in the broadest sense of the word). After all, how can you divide your children into good or bad? For loving parents, they are all equally good. Therefore, I see no point in voting for one thing.
  82. vlum
    0
    21 August 2013 23: 01
    [quote=Yeraz][quote=tilovaykrisa] The Chechen Republic is the territory of the Russian Federation... You can’t let go.[/quote]

    Did anyone ask the Chechens themselves? Somehow, I very much doubt the desire of the majority to escape somewhere from the Russian Federation and leave the territory of the Russian Federation.
    1. +1
      22 August 2013 00: 08
      Quote: vlum
      Did anyone ask the Chechens themselves? Somehow, I very much doubt the desire of the majority to escape somewhere from the Russian Federation and leave the territory of the Russian Federation.

      Now they don’t want to, because Russia is felt nominally. They themselves are in the republic without a Russian population, they have all the state attributes. In terms of language, no one oppresses them, Kadyrov will not give them offense. The only thing they don’t have is maintaining an independent foreign policy. Although, if Kadyrov comes to Azerbaijan, he is met by the head of the state. Although I was very surprised by his excitement when meeting Aliyev, his usual super-easy speech changed to exciting))
      There is no reason for them to separate now, they are practically like an independent state, which only one person in the country PUTIN can say, they don’t care about all the other institutions of power and their word has no power for them.
      But this phenomenon will temporarily weaken Russia, painfully large losses will immediately be untied, and in the Caucasus grievances will not be forgotten.
      1. Cpa
        +2
        22 August 2013 00: 55
        Quote: Yeraz
        But this phenomenon will temporarily weaken Russia, painfully large losses will immediately be untied, and in the Caucasus grievances will not be forgotten.

        So let them remember those who in 1994 had a fight with them over the transit price of oil from Baku to Novorossiysk, because of this the war began. The Chechens lowered the price, and the Yeltsin gang went wild with greed. So let them find them, and they will be held accountable. And with It will be painfully troublesome to ask the Russians, they won’t be able to do it.
        By the way, the Chechens were surrendered to the Russian Empire by the British, and the Turks were persuaded to do so. I advise you to read Sadulayev about this. In the Republic of Ingushetia, all the land belonged to the tsar by law, the Chechens did not understand this, and that’s where it began. Why don’t they demand justice from the British and Turks?
        1. 0
          22 August 2013 11: 27
          Quote: KPA
          So let them remember those who in 1994 had a bite with them over the transit price of oil from Baku to Novorossiysk, because of this the war began. The Chechens lowered the price, and the Yeltsin gang went brutal with greed

          This is the first time I’ve heard this, what kind of nonsense would they fight and shed blood, at that time not for expensive and not very large volumes of Baku oil?? And not even for oil, but for its transit????
          Quote: KPA
          Why don’t they demand justice from the British and Turks?

          Well, it wasn’t the Turks and the British who invaded Chechnya, but the tsarist troops (Cossacks) deported and shot the Chechens, they weren’t the ones either, and they didn’t fight with them in the 90s either. It’s as if the analogy isn’t the same.
          1. Cpa
            +2
            22 August 2013 21: 30
            Quote: Yeraz
            This is the first time I've heard this, what nonsense?

            This is a fairly well-known fact, the country’s budget was meager. There were mutual agreements regarding transit, but they did not agree on the price. Yeltsin, in his own manner, decided not to give in and put down political pressure. That is. to install loyal leadership, they recruited military personnel to participate in the elections. Dudayev refused to recognize him. If you read Khattab’s notes, you will see that he was there long before the hostilities. As you know, Khattab led the “training” of militants. The Russian Armed Forces almost voluntarily left weapons in the republic. The conflict over transit prices was only a trigger; the war suited everyone at the top.
            It’s easy to say “nonsense,” but what do you know about the beginning of the war in Chechnya?

            Quote: Yeraz
            Well, it wasn’t the Turks and the British who invaded Chechnya

            Can you explain how Chechnya became part of the Ottoman Empire? After all, until the 17th century in Chechnya there was not even Islam, only Christianity. How did it happen that in the last Russian-Turkish war there was a Chechen regiment as part of the Russian troops? They were not deported anywhere, and were resettled on the plain under the supervision of the Cossacks. Now they are shouting that it is their land there. The Cossacks coexisted peacefully with the Chechens until they touched their lands and installed a ruler over them from the Dagestan princes.
            You might think that the Turks were white and fluffy, under them Chechens and Ingush were persecuted for Sufism, they did not have the right of self-government, etc., they did not rebel only because no one redistributed their lands.
      2. Pensioner
        +1
        22 August 2013 02: 14
        It really scared me, “in the Caucasus, they don’t forget grievances.” There is a Russian proverb: “They carry water for the offended.” You may not understand it. But then you will have to remind that representatives of the Caucasus in Russia exhibit criminal actions. Well, from the century century, and to this day, according to the criminal “hairdryer” - offended? And that’s why the Russian proverb is true: in the end, they carry water to such “offended” people! No. that will “harness” them! So I wonder who harnessed them to the “offended”, who “rides” them, and who is driving them and where???
        1. +1
          22 August 2013 11: 23
          Quote: Retired
          It really scared me, “in the Caucasus, they don’t forget grievances.”

          What does it have to do with scaring. I’m not talking about scaring here, I’m talking about the current situation. The sacrifices that Caucasians suffered in the Caucasian wars, especially the Chechens, will not be forgotten so quickly and this must be taken into account.
          1. Pensioner
            0
            23 August 2013 02: 49
            Why do you think that only Chechen “offenses” and their vengeful nature are important? Don’t you take into account that the Russians will have enough patience to coddle them for centuries? Both for good and for bad, well, they just don’t understand. In the end, they have Russia at their side. Without Russia, they will fall into their hands, even the world’s Islamists will not get it. One problem: although the Georgians are Christians, they are far from Russian. The same Caucasians. And they quickly They will deal with them in a Caucasian way. They will assimilate them in such a way that our descendants will only learn about the Chechens from history.
      3. +2
        22 August 2013 07: 09
        If the issue with the Chechens, who suddenly decide to remember the insult, begins to be resolved in full force, I think the name of this people will remain only in history.
        They don’t care about all other institutions of power and their word has no power for them.
        there was simply no command from above. Chechens (as well as Caucasians in general), in my opinion, play the role of a kind of counterweight or lightning rod for the indigenous population of other regions of the country, so that attention is focused on them, and not on claims to power. Although such a policy is clearly unsuccessful and will eventually fail
        1. +1
          22 August 2013 11: 29
          Quote: hort
          If the issue with the Chechens, who suddenly decide to remember the insult, begins to be resolved in full force, I think the name of this people will remain only in history.

          Well, we can guess here, they didn’t become history in the last wars.
          Quote: hort
          Chechens (as well as Caucasians in general), in my opinion, play the role of a kind of counterweight or lightning rod for the indigenous population of other regions of the country, so that attention is focused on them, and not on claims to power. Although such a policy is clearly unsuccessful and will eventually fail

          I agree with this and this is a destructive path.
          1. -1
            22 August 2013 12: 02
            They didn’t, that’s right. But because the team was not able to beat them at full strength. The first Chechen war is generally a crime, which, I hope, will still be properly investigated.

            In general, I personally still hope that there will be no Third Caucasian War in the future, because... the potential of the same Chechens can and should be used for the benefit of Russia. Including in military affairs.
      4. vlum
        +1
        22 August 2013 19: 37
        Quote: Yeraz
        Russia will weaken, they will immediately suffer painfully large losses, but in the Caucasus they will not forget grievances


        But there is a saying on this topic: to spite my mother, I will frostbite my ears
  83. 0
    21 August 2013 23: 20
    The article is crazy. Especially about the “Russians pushing through the Kolomna Kremlin.” There probably couldn’t have been a worse symbol to “push through” - and there are a lot of truly ancient or symbolic monuments there. I voted for the Motherland, and I wish the same for you, although I am from Bashkiria, from which many beautiful places were nominated.
    1. vlum
      0
      22 August 2013 19: 40
      This is not a crazy article, but there was a mistake with the competition.
  84. Pensioner
    +2
    22 August 2013 00: 57
    I saw the Chechen mosque only in photographs. Beautiful. So what? Even if with all the efforts of the Chechens - this mosque wins in some kind of essentially commercial competition - it will become clear to the whole world that this is just another dishonest Chechen window dressing. There is world history, there are world masterpieces, there is finally UNESCO, which registers all the world's historical monuments of a particular country. And Russian, Russian historical monuments are internationally recognized. Perhaps for Chechnya this mosque and symbol, but for a small Muslim republic, and not for all of Russia. Let them assert themselves with the whole composition (from President Kadyrov to every Chechen and Chechen woman) by SMS voting, and calm down on this. Neither the world, nor other countries, nor Russia, nor the Russians take this SMS voting seriously, because with this " "hype" by the Chechens - this whole action with the symbol of Russia - took the form of a farce. And in the farce, normal people stop taking part. Therefore, in this race of "votes" - our Chechens with their mosque are ahead. As if in our country there are no other centuries-old mosques. Or churches. Or new Buddhist temples. A Buddhist temple was built in Kalmykia, where people come from all over the world, and from all over Russia, but for some reason they do not declare their importance as Chechnya. It’s just some kind of national trait among the Chechens - to declare themselves with something. Starting on a personal level - with their “coolness”: it doesn’t matter whether it’s a national character, the latest brand of telephone or car, a position, wealth, or on a national level. So that their mosque becomes a symbol of Russia. Let’s see how much this symbol , even if he wins “by vote,” it will be implemented. This is not a blow to the Russian people, but a blow to our Russian authorities. Perhaps it is necessary that our Russian authorities receive such a slap in the face?
  85. Pensioner
    0
    22 August 2013 02: 50
    Everyone here is talking about two significant figures. Putin and Kadyrov. They say they are interdependent. Some Ingush and Chechens expelled from Chechnya who hate Kadyrov claimed on another website that he “prepared 20000 bayonets” which he is ready to throw in “defense” of either Kadyrov himself or Putin (due to the “innuendos” of the author of the comment, I didn’t understand who these 20 thousand bayonets were for). In connection with such “interconnectedness” of these our political leaders, I also wonder whether Kadyrov will give a “slap in the face” to the Russian authorities, and whether ours will tolerate it “ All-Russian "power this "slap in the face" from a petty ruler of a "subject" of the state?
  86. sleepy
    +2
    22 August 2013 03: 05
    Information for consideration.

    "Chechnya is thirsty for my blood...
    ...in the city of Grozny, a certain representative of the small but proud Chechen people wrote a statement about the crime to the investigative department of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation for the Chechen Republic, in which he accused me
    in inciting ethnic hatred, since I regularly in my interviews
    and articles, as well as on the Internet, I declare the genocide of the Russian and Russian-speaking population living in the territory of the former Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic
    in 1991-1994 Based on this crime report, investigators
    before initiating a criminal case..."
    http://v-alksnis2.livejournal.com/213227.html
    1. tverskoi77
      0
      22 August 2013 11: 08
      Alksnis, the right Man.
  87. +1
    22 August 2013 04: 12
    A new day has begun, ALL TO THE SITE "RUSSIA10"! VOTE!!!
    1. 0
      22 August 2013 07: 53
      Do not confuse it with the Kolomna Kremlin.
  88. +2
    22 August 2013 07: 00
    Chechen mosque leadership in the “Russia 10” competition should not surprise anyone

    but it’s not surprising, especially after I saw in some vile group on VKontakte a call from one individual of quite Slavic appearance to vote for the mosque just for the sake of mischief (I save the spelling) “ruzke” and “am”. The most interesting thing is that the group is formally national-democratic in orientation - which once again convinced me of the anti-Russian policy and the involvement of all these newly-minted “nationalists” in the degenerates from the “swamp”. And it is not surprising that the authorities are relatively loyal to them - because... This dandruff doesn’t even have clear political programs and they are quite manageable, unlike the old “imperial” national patriots
  89. Vendor
    0
    22 August 2013 09: 33
    You read some of the comments and see who you people are turning into. Angry, inexplicably angry and nervous creatures. Who cares who wins in the second round? There will also be a third and the jury of the Russian Geographical Society will choose, not you and me. Well, some of my fellow tribesmen wanted to push the mosque into first place, but to no avail.
    Eh, Professor Preobrazhensky was right, he was right.
  90. HERMAJOR4IK
    +1
    22 August 2013 09: 36
    what the hell is it, why did this remake give up, even if we ignore my nationalist views, they stupidly squinted like Istanbul’s Hagia Sophia, by the way, a Christian temple originally_in general, what is there to vote for, zero creativity, damn it, a symbol of Russia No. In short, Moscow does not powder the symbol of RUSSIA, ISAAC'S CATHEDRAL AND BAIKAL AND NIIPET!!!
  91. tverskoi77
    +3
    22 August 2013 11: 04
    This situation shows a complete lack of understanding and gratitude among the Chechens that Russia stopped the war in Chechnya and raised it from the ruins. And in comments and calls for voting for the mosque, the president of this republic, these achievements are openly appropriated to themselves and their people.
    Even voting is mostly done via SMS, i.e. today about 19,8 million rubles. spent by the Chechens for votes. And this is in a highly subsidized region with the highest unemployment rates. In essence, they vote for money sent to them from other regions in the form of subsidies, for other people’s money. Moreover, votes for the Kolomna Kremlin (and many others) are mostly made on the site in free mode. This confirms our honesty and lack of SMS scams.

    On our website there were statements by some users (in the WWII topic) that Chechens deserted en masse to the mountains during the war and thereby betrayed Russia. I believe that they did not betray her then, they simply never considered, do not consider, and will not consider her family.
    And, the results of this competition are only indirect confirmation of this.
    We can't be together shoulder to shoulder.
  92. -4
    22 August 2013 12: 03
    Not everything is so simple. They tried to defend their homeland. Even professors with AKM in their hands fought in the 1st Chechen war. All sorts of scum were already trapped in the second. Try to think for yourself. They pitted us against each other
  93. -1
    22 August 2013 12: 37
    Quote: Den 11
    Not everything is so simple. They tried to protect their homeland.

    What are you talking about?...who were they trying to protect something from? Maybe from those who fed them their entire “history”, who fought for them in the Second World War? Who, in the end, built this mosque for them with the money of Russian taxpayers?
    Learn history, my friend.
    1. +1
      22 August 2013 12: 53
      How many points did you earn on the Unified State Exam? Did you get into anything? Learn history yourself! And I studied with them at the Military School! In my time, they were normal men. There was no crap (on the subject of religion)! They turned out to be the same lieutenants as I! Yes, there were showdowns between Azerbaijanis and Armenians, we didn’t interfere there. On the contrary, we tried to reconcile
      1. smiths xnumx
        +4
        22 August 2013 13: 04
        Hey Dan, what's that noise? When I served in the military in 1995-1997, there were a lot of Dags, even one Chechen Akin was from Khasavyurt. Anything happened, there were fights. Hazing, of course. Well, it’s normal, there’s no such thing as dividing according to religion. I never really hid the fact that I served at SevKaz, last year I was on a business trip, and near Volgograd, Nokhcha got hooked in the compartment. We started talking. I asked him, say, we left in 1996, you gained independence, began to build Sharia law, what else did you want. And then he swears, they rarely swear, both about Sharia and about the rules of that time. He told me a lot of things. In general, he said the following words: “It’s bad with you Russians, but without you it’s even worse.” We parted as almost friends. We wished each other good luck. I went out, and he drove on... And you EtickayaSila, learn the materiel and incite ethnic hatred here, but first learn to understand something in life, and not carry all sorts of nonsense... Something like this. Sincerely! hi
        1. -1
          22 August 2013 13: 10
          Hello Roma! If you are free in the evening, sign up!
    2. -1
      22 August 2013 21: 21
      I'm simply blown away by such experts on the history of their country! If you don’t know anything, then educate yourself http://www.pobediteli.ru/
      And you have to be completely naive not to understand why Russia needs Chechnya, and why Chechnya needs Russia, we have mutually beneficial relations that are useful to both sides!
      1. Pensioner
        0
        23 August 2013 03: 38
        In the past era, this may have been the case. Let us explain why it is now mutually beneficial? Is it worth it to “feed and feed” the ambitions of a small people who have gone too far in their own arrogance at a loss to their own population? Do you border on Georgia because of the territory? It’s not the Chechens who guard this border, but the Russians again. They also protect the Chechens themselves from being captured by Georgia.
        1. 0
          23 August 2013 18: 00
          If Chechnya had not been part of the Russian Federation, its territory would have long been occupied by militants financed by the Americans... As a result, all sorts of “evil spirits” would constantly seep into Russian territory. Which could lead to a war with the Chechen Republic, only we would fight not with the Chechens, but with all the radical Islamists of the Middle East who would be financed by America and the West, with those with whom Syria is now fighting. And a reason for condemning Russia will immediately be found, something like Russia showed aggression towards the internationally recognized small independent state of Chechnya, or something like that. As a result, they will pit the entire Middle East against Russia and a massacre will begin, while the West and America will be in chocolate...
          As for the money invested in Chechnya, if there is oil production in Chechnya, and even if we invest some of our hard-earned money, it is in order to develop the infrastructure of this region! Why do people from the Caucasus go to native Russian cities, because they do not have normal living conditions, no work, no education, no finances. The development of infrastructure will shorten the migration process and, moreover, it will be possible for Caucasians who previously migrated to return to their native lands, because life will be better there, besides, Caucasians sincerely love their lands, even though they live with us, life forces them!
          What does Chechnya have from us, we can say “protecting” it, because no one wants to have problems with “big” Russia, and if someone gets into Chechnya, Russian military power will immediately come in! Russia also helps financially!
          Because of this cooperation, we have peace at the border, and Caucasians have peace at home!
          1. -2
            23 August 2013 22: 33
            Quote: MREDBEST
            If Chechnya had not been part of the Russian Federation, its territory would have long been occupied by militants financed by the Americans...

            Dear, the so-called Ichkeria was already independent, and there were militants there paid by the Americans, but there was no piquing against Russia.
            1. 0
              24 August 2013 13: 54
              Let me clarify that there was no clash between the Middle East and all Muslims against Russia, despite the fact that the militants in Chechnya were crushed.
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  95. 0
    22 August 2013 13: 40
    By the way, the idea of ​​voting for the Motherland is very good. A very powerful and even somewhat sacred symbol.
  96. 0
    22 August 2013 14: 10
    Does the author understand the differences between the words State and Republic other than spelling?
  97. Dimon simfer
    0
    22 August 2013 14: 44
    Quote: afire
    Yes, it’s difficult for us to live with them, but the fact that we ourselves are idiots on our own - we must admit and we don’t need to be ashamed of it, we need to work on it, respect ourselves first of all! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help disassemble it. That's it, but they have cohesion, because they realize that on a foreign land one cannot survive alone, so they flock together in flocks, and a downed black flock is a force that provokes nonsense, which is expressed on our streets, is reflected in the criminal situation .

    + I agree. A similar situation in Crimea with the Crimean Tatars
  98. Dimon simfer
    0
    22 August 2013 14: 45
    Quote: afire
    Yes, it’s difficult for us to live with them, but the fact that we ourselves are idiots on our own - we must admit and we don’t need to be ashamed of it, we need to work on it, respect ourselves first of all! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help disassemble it. That's it, but they have cohesion, because they realize that on a foreign land one cannot survive alone, so they flock together in flocks, and a downed black flock is a force that provokes nonsense, which is expressed on our streets, is reflected in the criminal situation .

    + I agree. A similar situation in Crimea with the Crimean Tatars
  99. Alex-z84
    0
    23 August 2013 09: 31
    What is stopping all the Russian people, the Slavs, from going to the RUSSIA10 website now and voting for the Kremlin!? I did just that right now. This is already a matter for the prince, although there are beautiful historical objects in other regions.
  100. Marek Rozny
    +3
    23 August 2013 10: 53
    wow, how much money the organizers of the competition are making on SMS, playing on the “offended” feelings of certain people)))) Every Russian must send a paid SMS, otherwise we will be humiliated by the Chechens!


    ZY send a paid SMS to the short number 4040 with the inscription “I’m not a sucker”, and you will be a real sucker!

    Z.Z.Y. I also advise you to organize an “all-Russian” competition for the most outstanding figure in Russia, and include Shamil in it. If suddenly there is not enough money coming in, then get Shamil a million votes. Insulted and humiliated compatriots will send you a lot of money so that Pushkin or Gagarin “wins.” You get 1% per idea :))))

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