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Tolerance has won both Russian history and common sense.

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Chechen mosque leadership in the “Russia 10” competition should not surprise anyone

In former times, the expression “Moscow is the heart of Russia” was very popular. In the 19th century, it was more fully known: “Petersburg is the head of Russia, Moscow is its heart, and Nizhny Novgorod is the pocket”. It so happened that Red Square was called the heart and symbol of our country ... But it seems that those times have sunk into oblivion. Now we have another country, which has completely different characters.

The scandal around the Heart of Chechnya mosque continues to gain momentum in the blogosphere. Let me remind you that the mosque participates in the contest "Russia 10". Its meaning is to determine the greatest architectural monuments and sights of the country with the help of the voting of Internet users.

Thanks to the efforts of the current head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, the mosque occupies the first place in this race, that is, in fact, claims to be the symbol of today's Russia. The logic of the Chechen leader is clear: the full name of this religious object is “The Mosque named after Akhmat Kadyrov“ Heart of Chechnya ”. The official description on the “10 Russia” website states: “The Heart of Chechnya Mosque in Grozny is one of the largest, most beautiful and majestic mosques in Europe and the world. 17 was opened on October 2008 of the year and was named after Akhmat-Khadzhi Kadyrov, the first president of the Chechen Republic. The mosque is located on the picturesque bank of the River Sunzha, in the middle of a huge park (14 hectares) and is part of the Islamic complex, which, in addition to the mosque, includes the Russian Islamic University. Kunta-Khadzhi and the Spiritual Administration of Muslims of the Chechen Republic. The mosque was built in the classic Ottoman style. ”

The Russian audience contrasts the mosque Kolomna Kremlin. However, he is still far behind in voting. At the time of this writing, 4 177 893 users voted for the mosque, Kolomna Kremlin - 3 749 691.

It is clear why the Chechen leader is trying. For Kadyrov, it is important to show how important the memory of his father is for him, and at the same time demonstrate the power of the republic’s leadership. But Russian public opinion takes the nomination of a mosque in the first place with a clear rejection. Built in the "Ottoman style" building reminds of the crisis of the modern Russian Federation and the Russian people.

Let me remind you that Chechnya is a state. So says the Constitution of the Russian Federation. More than 95% of the population of Chechnya are Chechens. After the well-known events of the 90-ies, not only Russians remained in the territory of the republic, but also Ingush who were related to Chechens. Chechnya is, in the full sense of the word, a national state of the Chechen people - mono-ethnic and rigidly defending the interests of ethnic Chechens. Let us recall, for example, the situation in the city of Pugachev, in which a certain head of the representative office of the President of the Chechen Republic in the Saratov region, Ahmed-Said Elesov, actively intervened.

On what basis did representatives of one subject of the Federation intervene in the affairs of another subject of the Federation, they did not explain to us. However, Kadyrov officially condemned the murder committed in Pugachev. But he is not only the formal leader of Chechnya, but also the Secretary General of the World Congress of the Chechen People, that is, the official leader of ethnic Chechens.

In other words, the “Heart of Chechnya” mosque pushes a full-fledged national state into first place in the competition. They are opposed to him simply by “Russian people” who do not have their own state. In fact, according to the official ideology, Russia is a state of 200 peoples. The Russian people is just one of them. So what, that Russian - 80% of the population of Russia and without our people, its stories and culture Russia is unthinkable? But the Russians are stateless people. It is absolutely impossible for the current Russian Federation to uphold the interests of Russians or give citizenship to Russians persecuted in other countries. In the same Central Asia, for example. And even for Putin to hold the post of general secretary of the World Congress of the Russian People, it’s even difficult to imagine.

Because the competition and causes such aversion. Of course, part of his role is the release of steam. Say, a big Internet scandal will distract the electorate from real politics. Previously, they argued over who the coolest ruler of Russia is Stalin or Ivan the Terrible. There were also big battles. People scratched their tongues so that they erased them into the blood. Not to mention the fact that such contests bring profit to the organizers. The cost of voting for the same heart of Chechnya mosque is 3 ruble with kopecks (it differs depending on the telephone operator). Consequently, more than 4 of the millions who voted for it gave the organizers more than 12 million rubles. Not a bad business!

But if you abstract away from the PR component of the competition, it is clear that he simply sharpens the old problems of Russia. Formal “multinationality” exists against the background of the non-recognition of the role of the Russian people. But at the same time with the multinational and non-recognition of Russians in the territory of the Russian Federation, there are 16 ethnic national states-republics that no one is in a hurry to recognize as multinational and who protect the interests of their ethnic groups.

This circumstance also generates tension in national relations, which is getting higher every year. The scandal around the “Heart of Chechnya” is only an external manifestation of the crisis of statehood.

This means that it will pass and be forgotten, but the problem will remain, no matter how the vote ends - with the victory of the mosque or the victory of the Kolomna Kremlin opposing it. The cause of the conflict is in the unclear status of the Russian people in Russia, in the absence of our Motherland, in the asymmetry of our federation. This problem will not go anywhere, even if the Kolomna Kremlin wins. Here is an open field for work, which is just beginning.

Ramzan Kadyrov called the possible victory in the competition of the Grozny mosque "the triumph of tolerance." And here it is impossible to disagree with him. It really will be a complete victory - and over Russian history, and over common sense ...
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  1. makst83
    makst83 21 August 2013 07: 08 New
    70
    They wind up their voices, it's as old as the world! They showed on TV how they all were brought in to the polling stations in droves (no other than a herd) and they voted, even people ignorant of this! I don’t see any historical or architectural delights in this building! Yes it will not be! Everyone took and voted, 3 times on the site and sending SMS from the phone - is it really that hard !? Give the Kolomna Kremlin a symbol of Russia!
    1. afire
      afire 21 August 2013 15: 22 New
      -70
      for one article title - minus, did not even read. just ignoring this kind of publication
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 26 New
        77
        Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
        And you do not care, well done!
        1. royk
          royk 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
          -33
          What does it dictate? They are being conducted on television tricks, and you are being driven on. In general, you should not watch TV, especially Russia.
          1. afire
            afire 21 August 2013 16: 17 New
            39
            what are you speaking about? give the Caucasus! what will you have from the south? Ukraine, Georgia and the Caucasian republics! You don’t want to build a fence, heaped up mlyn, they zenusili right. howled immediately, as soon as you were taken for a weakling Russian, poor little ones oppress you all, and you yourself have become such weaklings! you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!
            LITTLE TO YOU ??? THE CAUCASUS IS GUILTY ?? THE CAUCASUS ONLY PLAYS AT YOUR SAME WEAKNESS!
            1. Zhenya
              Zhenya 21 August 2013 16: 36 New
              17
              afire All generalized, "well done"!
              1. afire
                afire 21 August 2013 16: 41 New
                +3
                most SUCH every day I watch on the streets, and then this majority complains about everything and everyone. No honor, solid me, me, me, me.
                1. Mairos
                  Mairos 21 August 2013 18: 28 New
                  54
                  Right the majority? Well, all around shitting and getting drunk? I somehow manage to meet with another Russian majority, which I like more than any diaspora. Although I do not feel any hatred for other nations.
                  Your awesome Caucasians that in addition to trade and crime "mastered"? I am talking about the territory of Russia. And the fact that the relationship is so strange with them develops, so the story - this way and that. It's just that the same Caucasians are used to solving everything at the level of a showdown - like bandits, and the Russians are used to ruining the state and its organs. That’s how they don’t understand how it is - there is a state, but everything is being ravaged in a gang way in relations between people. It would be better if the state “woke up” before the Russians “woke up”. Otherwise, the diaspora simply will not - although bloodshed will be shed .. God forbid.
                  1. Spectrum
                    Spectrum 21 August 2013 20: 11 New
                    13
                    I agree 100%.
                  2. afire
                    afire 21 August 2013 22: 17 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Mairos

                    Your awesome Caucasians that in addition to trade and crime "mastered"?

                    they are as mine as yours, and with what fright you make me their protector, I essentially do self-flagellation of ourselves for being silent like sykuns. Cons and cons think about it!
                    1. tverskoi77
                      tverskoi77 22 August 2013 11: 12 New
                      +3
                      for being silent like a sykun.

                      You do not confuse them with the Great Russian people and other worthy peoples of our country. Or do you think we need to take axes and chop everyone who we don’t like, how the Chechens can do it. To fight so to speak.
                      We have too different levels of development and culture. And we will never intimidate with blood - we are not bandits.
                  3. Free Island
                    Free Island 22 August 2013 08: 44 New
                    -1
                    apparently by the nature of his activity every day he is forced to go past the hot spots and homeless people, which is why it seems to him that this is the "majority")))
                2. lyuboyan
                  lyuboyan 21 August 2013 21: 22 New
                  -2
                  And which of you? I see, you do not complain and do not whine. And what do you personally do? Teach others too.
                3. Predskazamus
                  Predskazamus 22 August 2013 00: 53 New
                  19
                  I’m in Azerbaijan. In the morning I hurried to let the elderly go to work. The last white-haired mother is standing at the doorstep, the minibus is empty. For more than 3 people they can’t let her in. She was ashamed. And those who sat and the driver according to FIG. I persuaded her to tell her. the word and paid for the mother. with the words learn to respect yourself, others respect you. respect the mothers, elders, women. and only then you will become higher than someone else.
                4. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 22 August 2013 04: 19 New
                  -1
                  Quote: afire
                  most SUCH everyday I watch on the streets

                  And what did you do so that there wouldn’t be such YAYAJAYA?
            2. Mairos
              Mairos 21 August 2013 18: 23 New
              0
              Hold your tongue. Hamite .. boy ..
            3. Alexei
              Alexei 21 August 2013 19: 39 New
              +9
              Quote: afire
              you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!

              To the point +. If it comes to a fight, then you have to fight while in consciousness. If a crowd is pounding someone, hide behind him, no matter how scary it is. Are beatings worse than the realization that you are a coward and selfish? Yes spit, what will be the symbol there, and if it will be then for whom? And when is the next vote? To opu tolerance! Man, wherever he is, man is all the same. It is necessary to ask everyone the same, not generalizing.
              And the other day the poet is visiting
              There was a novelist Eugene of Nesosnazanskaya.
              I ate vodka and wept bitterly
              About Holy Orthodox Russia.

              So no need to sob, sobbing is too easy. smile
              1. afire
                afire 21 August 2013 22: 19 New
                +2
                I’m trying to hammer this whole day, only people are used to hearing only themselves that they are wounded here and their state infringes on the chocks. shame. ugh
            4. tilovaykrisa
              tilovaykrisa 21 August 2013 19: 51 New
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              Do not compare speakers of Russian and Russian, most Russian people do not behave like this, I have examples of my relatives and friends before my eyes, your words are too similar to the sterotype that some forces promote. Russian people in Beslan laid down their lives and went under bullets to save "strangers" not Russian children, and this is what speaks about us in the first place and not what you write about.
            5. Sergey47
              Sergey47 21 August 2013 20: 48 New
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              Yes, you already drove this stamp. They drink ... they drink. No, dear, no longer drink as before. I understand that for some nationalities this was very correct. They, as they say, played in the ass in anticipation of the death of Russian civilization. But it turned out the opposite. You are degrading. I’ll explain it on my fingers. Arriving in Russia, Caucasians come out from under the care of their elders, and here it begins. You look like a 70s hippie. Konegrivy, in some inconceivable outfits, cursing and thumping like Russian, and this is death for you. Who does not thump, he kicks. And when, 5 times a day, knock your head on the floor? Once, and why, Allah already gave everything that is needed, thanks to him and dosvidos. Something like that.
            6. Ljubomir
              Ljubomir 21 August 2013 21: 48 New
              +1
              as soon as they took you for a weakling Russian
              national weaknesses do not exist, but temporary workers cannot grow wiser.
            7. AdAAkRuSS
              AdAAkRuSS 21 August 2013 23: 11 New
              +2
              Quote: afire
              what are you speaking about? give the Caucasus! what will you have from the south? Ukraine, Georgia and the Caucasian republics! You don’t want to build a fence, heaped up mlyn, they zenusili right. howled immediately, as soon as you were taken for a weakling Russian, poor little ones oppress you all, and you yourself have become such weaklings! you yourself go down in the army in front of the chocks, sit on the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, you cheated all around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years!
              LITTLE TO YOU ??? THE CAUCASUS IS GUILTY ?? THE CAUCASUS ONLY PLAYS AT YOUR SAME WEAKNESS!

              The fence can get stuck and build, but do not get stuck with killing you on YOUR LAND, don’t say "they have become weak" for all, our troubles are our problems and we don’t have to put everything together. I'm embarrassed to ask: WHAT DO YOU HATE RUSSIANS FOR?
              1. afire
                afire 21 August 2013 23: 35 New
                +9
                Well, PPC, I’m just the same Russian more than you, both externally and internally, and the fact that you don’t know the person say so, and says that you think superficially whom you are going to interrupt on my land is not clear, hamster keyboard you. It’s necessary to look at the root, what happened - it was already, after a fight they don’t wave their fists, in fact look - there is a precedent went to sort it out, I’m 100% sure that when passing by black in black-green trousers you grin and no more that Well you will not tell them directly ?? fall asleep! you’ll be afraid to catch a pumpkin, and here is a hero. We always have damn it, just a little bit that we are heroes, we’ll fill everyone up, but when we face head-on on the street - hell is there, we’ll go around the edge with a mess. Handicapped horseradish stretch out. Paper heroes. And do not talk about wartime, that’s another thing, national, common, and now there’s peace time in which we are obliged to find a common language with minimal losses. Yes, it’s hard for us to live with them, but the fact that we are single-handedly sykuns - we must admit and do not need to be ashamed of this, we need to work on it, respect ourselves first! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help in disassembling. So, and they have unity, because they realize that they can’t survive alone on a foreign land, therefore they get stuck in swarms, and a downed black pack is a force that provokes nonsense, which is expressed on our streets, is reflected in the criminal situation .
                Well, and who are you going to peck ??? fastened terrible avatars, and behind them the emptiness of the soul.
                1. elenasvetlova
                  elenasvetlova 22 August 2013 00: 00 New
                  -1
                  huge and bold PLUS you afire!
                  but the smasher of everyone and everything is a clear natsik, nonsense from him is an inadequate rush.
                2. Lapotnik
                  Lapotnik 22 August 2013 11: 39 New
                  +3
                  In your post, only lowering the neighbor. We are not a flock, we are trying to create a state so that it happens that it’s not a murmur on the gates but in a crowd to evict. In your posts about Russians, only negative, nichrome they say can’t, scribblers are Internet. And here they are ... and the argument about cohesion - organized crime groups are commonplace.

                  Roskazny about old women and stuff - complete crap, as if no one in Russia is helping anyone ... hmm. The feeling that you personally Caucasians packs fells.

                  What about the fact that one at a time they are not so bulls? How about the fact that these bulls on the Internet lit up so much trolling and aggression that the majority of the arguments here on the site are childish pranks.

                  In short, with your post you show that you are the same keyboard avenger. Or are you walking past each in training in beta pumpkin ??
                3. Lapotnik
                  Lapotnik 22 August 2013 11: 39 New
                  0
                  In your post, only lowering the neighbor. We are not a flock, we are trying to create a state so that it happens that it’s not a murmur on the gates but in a crowd to evict. In your posts about Russians, only negative, nichrome they say can’t, scribblers are Internet. And here they are ... and the argument about cohesion - organized crime groups are commonplace.

                  Roskazny about old women and stuff - complete crap, as if no one in Russia is helping anyone ... hmm. The feeling that you personally Caucasians packs fells.

                  What about the fact that one at a time they are not so bulls? How about the fact that these bulls on the Internet lit up so much trolling and aggression that the majority of the arguments here on the site are childish pranks.

                  In short, with your post you show that you are the same keyboard avenger. Or are you walking past each in training in beta pumpkin ??
                4. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 22 August 2013 12: 18 New
                  +2
                  Quote: afire
                  ! Respect your neighbor! because if this happens, we will look for someone who could help in disassembling.

                  Yes, a simple admission, almost everyone knows our family at our entrance, since we saw our neighbor as a friend, if you brought something to help from the summer house, our brothers and I were raised by our parents. And as a result, everyone knows our Azerbaijani family at the entrance practically do not communicate with each other. And in the end, when we have a pipe burst or something is needed. We know who to contact and they will open the door for us, but for others, there’s nothing to do to call the rescue service. From here it all starts.
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 22 August 2013 12: 37 New
                    0
                    This is because YOU (and your family) have accepted OUR way. I personally will break e-la to those who dare to touch you (to hook you verbally). Believe us, we are not against you. Only behave with dignity!
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz 22 August 2013 14: 48 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Den 11
                      This is because YOU (and your family) have accepted OUR way.

                      It’s just that we didn’t accept your way of life, otherwise we would walk like other Russians and ignore each other. I don’t know maybe the Russians were different before, but what I have been observing since childhood IS MY HUT FROM THE EDGE. But we cannot and this is wrong.
                      Quote: Den 11
                      I will personally smash e-la to those who dare to touch you

                      And I will do so who touches my neighbors, a decently dressed girl and a quietly walking guy down the street.
                      But how can I protect a girl who is harassed by a clothing style that is half naked with all the charms out ?? How can I protect a drunk man smelling of fumes in a guy ?? A guy with a hole in his ear, dressed ala gay ??
                      Quote: Den 11
                      Believe me, we are not against you. Only behave with dignity!

                      Understand the strength of Russia was that it is a synthesis of the EAST AND WEST !! But right now the West has been chosen and everything has already been secreted for it.
                      And so there will be a clash between different citizens. There will be a huge distance from one part to another.
                      And the word with dignity is also applicable in different ways.
                      A Caucasian can say why I should behave myself with a girl. Who has tried more than 10 guys, dressed like a bf, a guy who does not stand up for his girlfriend. Why should I behave with them with dignity. You tell it to our traditions. What they say is not a lie, there was no such tradition, a man always stood up for his woman, and a woman was faithful to her husband and behaved with dignity.
                      I just belong to the category of people. Who do not care. Behave yourself as you walk. The main thing is not to say that I need to do this.
                      But the North Caucasians can say this is my country and they behave incorrectly.
                      Therefore, the law either works or the Russians give the face to the Caucasians, they say our girls decide for them how many sleeps and we decide how to behave, we chose this way your rules will be in your area. But there is not one or the second, as a result it boils and smells Powerfully by vem. Including people like me.
                      1. Day 11
                        Day 11 22 August 2013 15: 03 New
                        0
                        Just believe --- I absolutely agree with you (Unlike the patriots on this site). But you know there are still people who can ... That's right, they would know. But one thing, you are right --- too many "snotty patriots" divorced!
                      2. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 22 August 2013 15: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: Den 11
                        Just believe --- I absolutely agree with you (Unlike the patriots on this site). But you know there are still people who can ... That's right, they would know. But one thing, you are right --- too many "snotty patriots" divorced!

                        I know that I know such people for whom a mini skirt is simply an unacceptable thing and these are Russian guys, but they are a minority.
                        These jingoistic patriots will destroy the country, they narrowly see the problem, not globally, see the effect, not the cause.
                      3. Day 11
                        Day 11 22 August 2013 15: 32 New
                        +2
                        It's not a miniskirt! This is our personal one. For example, I am very pleased with the eye, a beautiful female butt and legs. But this is our personal one. And do not meddle with us, RUSSIAN, with your own rules! I will explain again- that there was mutual respect --- No need to impose your values ​​on each other!
                  2. sleepy
                    sleepy 23 August 2013 02: 21 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    "A Caucasian can say why I should behave myself with a girl who has already tried 10 guys, dressed like a ..., a guy who does not stand up for his girlfriend. Why should I behave with them with dignity. You tell it to us traditions.What they say will not lie, there was no such tradition, a man stood up for his woman always,
                    and the woman was faithful to her husband and behaved with dignity. "


                    First you need to decide who is Caucasian.
                    "Dagestanis beat Petersburger to death by inflicting
                    she’s over 100 hits. "
                    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1329176-0/
                    He probably didn’t like the girl, how she was dressed, how she behaved ...

                    "The Chechen was upset by the lack of attention from the girl and sent her defender to the hospital."
                    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/1338784-0/
                    He probably didn't like that guy not stood up for his girlfriend or something else did not like - a girl, for example
                    or the rain began ...

                    "A Petersburger who stood up for random passers-by who were beaten by the Dagestanis at Primorskaya died from a knife wound."
                    http://www.gazeta.spb.ru/756746-1/
                    Probably they also didn’t like something in St. Petersburg,
                    dressed wrong, speaks an incomprehensible language ...

                    "A Caucasian boxer shot 7 times in the face of a guy who remarked to him."
                    http://rusplatforma.org/novosti/news2645/
                    And there is nothing to make comments, so I got mine.
                    But in Belarus everything is calm, and in the USSR
                    under Stalin, this was not.
                  3. Predskazamus
                    Predskazamus 25 August 2013 02: 32 New
                    0
                    I completely agree!!
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            9. AdAAkRuSS
              AdAAkRuSS 22 August 2013 16: 01 New
              +1
              Quote: afire
              Well, PPC, I’m just the same Russian more than you, both externally and internally, and the fact that you don’t know a person say so, and says that you think superficially, whom you are going to interrupt on my land - it’s not clear, hamster keyboard you.
              Either you are Russian (which I strongly doubt), or Gussian (which is more likely), you don’t know me either, but at the same time you’re 100% sure and consider yourself a deep-thinking person, I don’t mind your assumptions about my behavior in some (you’ve concocted) situations, well, anybody can be called a hamster only because he answered someone’s comment, they called me a Nazi here because I can’t stand it when my people are being poured with mud! I managed to peep into my soul ?, and all the Russians? Aren't you ashamed to be Russian ?, after your writing, but it’s more correct to call verbal diarrhea. You can’t answer, I’m not interested in your opinion and just do not like talking.
        2. rereture
          rereture 22 August 2013 01: 43 New
          +3
          Have you ever been to the hospital with a bmw because you stood up for a person and you got armature on the head? You were threatened with reprisal with your family ?? Your best friend was kidnapped in broad daylight and tortured (with a gas key in different parts of the body) in a van?

          Have you heard about article 282?
          Beat the Caucasian - inciting ethnic hatred.
          They killed a Russian - everyday life.

          Where is the damn justice?


          sit in the subway yourself and you don’t care that you have a woman

          We have gender equality, which women themselves have achieved.
          1. Marek Rozny
            Marek Rozny 22 August 2013 10: 14 New
            0
            Quote: rereture
            Have you ever been to the hospital with a bmw because you stood up for a person and you got armature on the head? You were threatened with reprisal with your family ?? Your best friend was kidnapped in broad daylight and tortured (with a gas key in different parts of the body) in a van?

            Have you heard about article 282?
            Beat the Caucasian - inciting ethnic hatred.
            They killed a Russian - everyday life.

            Where is the damn justice?

            I don’t see justice. I see only ordinary cowardice.

            Quote: rereture
            We have gender equality, which women themselves have achieved.

            And you are glad ... Flowers for March 8 are not given by chance?
            Under some circumstances, I probably would have kicked you too. Because you do not cause respect.
            Thank God, there are normal Russians like AFIRE, Elena Svetlova and others who, if you try to present something, will quickly put the offender in place. And they themselves will not be greyhounds, and will not be given to others. I like this as a Kazakh. They are Russians. And you - I don’t know who. Whiner and wimp. I'd rather die than give a reason to accuse me of cowardice or betrayal. And you will cry out of the blue, but when the real occupier comes, you will wipe away the tears of emotion with a handkerchief, trying to please the new owners. Che right? AFIRE in such a situation will be the enemy tanks gnaw teeth. He will receive a Gold Star, and you’ll write a thread somewhere abroad: “How I bravely fought for Mother Russia against Putin’s power” (although the maximum that you did during the occupation was wiping away tears of joy with a handkerchief).
            Well, and which of you is Russian - Afire or you? Of course, Afire. What kind of Russian are you, if you can’t do anything except tantrums in the internet ...
            1. Mairos
              Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 32 New
              0
              You still make the difference between nagging and explaining the reasons for the situation. The self-flagellation that Afyr is engaged in is the same nonsense as the cries that everything has disappeared. When people engage in self-pouring shit, it means that they have already been brainwashed during the information war. With this catastrophe, Gorbachev began - they cheated on history, cheated on folk heroes, taught to constantly "criticize" their shortcomings (self-flagellation) - as a result, what we have. The people really began to believe that it was worthless, degraded and drunk. An excess of negativity and self-flagellation is much more harmful than even “cheers-patriotism”. Take any mountaineer whose ancestors did not do anything other than robbing neighbors and the slave trade .. he is proud of them (soldiers indeed !!) and on this platform is his self-esteem. And this is a liberal verbiage about the need to "tell the truth about ourselves" and is aimed at ensuring that we lose ALL self-esteem, respect for our ancestors and are ashamed of belonging to our people.
              1. afire
                afire 22 August 2013 11: 45 New
                0
                okay, then tell me - why is our nation still in such a suspended state? Why aren’t you promoting a healthy lifestyle? oh yes - we closed our eyes with a handkerchief and don’t notice anything bad, we see only how beautiful we are and that everyone around us who wants us to die. What kind of nonsense?
                Quote: Mairos
                And this is a liberal verbiage about the need to "tell the truth about ourselves" and is aimed at ensuring that we lose ALL self-esteem, respect for our ancestors and are ashamed of belonging to our people.

                Self-esteem must be found and restored and cleverly to this I urge respect for the ancestors? who brought up youth who are perishing on monuments? -we! we! we! Who brought up youth jumping from under the monuments ?? we! we! we! Who is ashamed of being Russian? here you obviously went too far, I did not write a word about it, but on the contrary, proud of it. But I really want my nation to have Respect for ourselves! got it ??? Today, in the train, two women argued to the shit because one of them was talking loudly, a mate of rewind-shame. Some do not have respect for those around them and tremble loudly, while others have a mate in the form of claims. WHERE RESPECT BETWEEN US ?? remove the handkerchief from your eyes already, everything is much worse, these are women and this is not everyday life - this is now our lifestyle that needs to be developed! And such a reversal is possible ONLY under socialism. Democracy is destroying both Russia and Russian and other nationalities.
                1. Mairos
                  Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 54 New
                  +4
                  I advocate. I go in for sports both myself and my children. I work and children do not drink or smoke. And I always say that the best propaganda is an example. I have a feeling that you live in some kind of cesspool, around, urine and degenerates. Open your eyes, stop seeing only nasty things and, believe me, you will see a lot of good. Do not get caught up in the negative !!

                  "And such a reversal is possible ONLY under socialism. Democracy is ruining both Russia and the Russians and other nationalities." - here 100500+ I agree!
                  1. afire
                    afire 22 August 2013 12: 02 New
                    +2
                    in solidarity, also sport and a healthy lifestyle. I live in an ordinary city, of which there are hundreds in the country. I used to travel a lot around the country, the picture is basically the same everywhere. In big cities, nastiness is less visible, but in small cities it’s just all in sight. And even if I lived in
                    Quote: Mairos
                    you live some cesspool, around, urine and degenerates.
                    , then this is very bad and there must also be respect and cleanliness. You can’t divide the country into good and bad places, you need to achieve the equivalence of all places of our stay. The earth is one and there is nothing to divide it.
              2. sleepy
                sleepy 23 August 2013 02: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Mairos
                "... The people really began to believe that it was worthless, degrading
                and gets drunk. Excess of negativity and self-flagellation
                much more harmful than even "cheers-patriotism ...".


                Patriotism is really not enough.

                "... I was talking recently on the Internet with an American.
                Real, inveterate. A patriot to the marrow of bones.
                And he gave me a terrible American secret.
                And do you know what it is?
                Russia will never be happy
                unless, of course, he adopts the American slogan:
                "Maybe my country is wrong, but this is MY country.
                We can talk about everything, but no one gave us the right
                to spoil in own house ... "

                http://topwar.ru/29548-kak-my-stali-zleyshimi-vragami-rodiny.html

                And a monograph has long been written about robbery in the Caucasus.

                "Doctor of Medicine E.V. ERICKSON
                ON KILLING AND BREAKING IN THE CAUCASUS
                Bulletin of psychology, criminal anthropology and hypnotism.
                Under the general editorship of academician V.M. Ankylosing spondylitis. "
                St. Petersburg, 1906.
                http://www.xpomo.com/ruskolan/avdeev/arp_kavkaz.htm
            2. rereture
              rereture 22 August 2013 15: 50 New
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              I'd rather die than give a reason to accuse me of cowardice or betrayal.


              Already given a reason, only a coward can insult a person (like a little mongrel that barks from far away, and wags its tail near), Internet war damn (it’s through e, since). As for death, I can help.

              And you - I don’t know who. Whiner and wimp.


              You do not know the person, but you endure the assessment.

              And you will cry out of the blue, but when the real occupier comes, you will wipe away the tears of emotion with a handkerchief, trying to please the new owners. Che right?


              Again insults, you're just a coward and worthless.
              1. Marek Rozny
                Marek Rozny 23 August 2013 10: 23 New
                +1
                pffff ... your portrait is clear. once knocked, now a fright before another such case. in your message this is clearly visible. I was knocked out, only not a drop of fear appeared. if you need to defend your point of view with your fists, I do this without hesitation. and I never had the thought of whining: "how unfair the world is, but I can’t do anything unhappy, because they can beat me again, but I don’t want to."
                and it finished me that, instead of answering about the standing women as they should, you began to write that they supposedly deserved this by their struggle for emancipation. our women didn’t particularly fight for this, and they fought for completely different rights, and not for the right to stand in public transport.
                well, you sit-sit on the bus. Feel your involvement in the struggle for women's rights.
        3. Sirocco
          Sirocco 22 August 2013 04: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: afire
          , zaminusili straight for the truth.

          Dear, why are you so indignant? zamususuyut you for the cause. You insulted everyone and everything in your post, and are outraged when you are punished for it, but you yourself reproach us for being Russian and cowardly, and you are outraged when we get snot. Here they are double standards from the EU. Behind the hillock and squeal all the masters. Start with yourself, do you not see a log in your eye? You probably forgot who brought all this discord to us in the Caucasus, I’ll remind you, all this turmoil came from the EU from you, has it turned out so historically that Europe has been stirring up water in the Caucasus with the hands of the Turks for centuries, or not? And now all this dregs from the EU, we are now raking, with our own hands, and at the expense of the Russians. Do not tell us dumb, what is the situation in Germany, France, with the Turks, and immigrants from North Africa? How do they flatten you there and lay big and thick on you and your culture? And about the Russians and the Caucasians, I will say this, the dear ones scold, only amuse themselves. And for people like you, who can only write in Russian, but in their souls and in life, the cowards are ZABOZHORNY (i.e., the CONTRACTORS) as pop Gapon, will I tell you or remind you? that the Russians harnessed for a long time, but then quickly chased. And history has confirmed this many times. So guys, let's live together !!! so that we do not drive quickly everyone and everything. hi
          1. afire
            afire 22 August 2013 08: 41 New
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            you are freaking annoying! I work in Moscow! what is your habit ??? judge by the flag! - the flag is assigned by IP, and I have no idea why my employer has a non-Russian IP!
            from you from the EU, trouble, Europe. zadolbali, and now all your text addressed to me "European" is irrelevant! and you answered me - Russian.
        4. Oberst_71
          Oberst_71 23 August 2013 06: 17 New
          -1
          narrow-eyed look of a man with a sick imagination.
    2. vjhbc
      vjhbc 21 August 2013 20: 01 New
      -9
      you were born free, and everyone is free to make a choice: die in battle, defending this freedom, or live on your knees. And do not dare to justify your cowardice and physical weakness! Who's stopping you from swinging? Who makes you stare at the crate from morning till night, smoke, suck beer and wallow ?! You are all - the so-called Russian men - drunks and wimps, you are all deserters in this war, which will very soon end in your defeat! (Puchkov - Nation)
      Quote: Marrying
      Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
      And you do not care, well done!
      1. Mairos
        Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 36 New
        +1
        You forgot to mention who IT says in Puchkov’s book. Do not be idiotic and not rude.
        1. vjhbc
          vjhbc 22 August 2013 21: 56 New
          +1
          I didn’t understand why, why cry, build a Sofia Cathedral in Chechnya, and where did anyone say, as well as foolishness and rudeness, it’s not true that you can dance in the square in front of this mosque
          Quote: Mairos
          You forgot to mention who IT says in Puchkov’s book. Do not be idiotic and not rude.
    3. avt
      avt 21 August 2013 21: 22 New
      +5
      Quote: Marrying
      Do you not understand that this is not a bell, but a bell, that 5% of the population of Russia who slaughtered Russians dictates to the rest 95% that they imposed a tribute on the government and the Orthodox state Islamize?
      And you do not care, well done!

      Do not get excited, think about how many swamp hamsters, from the principle, voted for the mosque to salt the GDP? Well, how much did the bolt simply hammer on this dregs? Nehru people bother about trifles, it is clear that this is an imitation of ideological work, so, loot on the little things on the project tinker. Another thing is bad - now I'm tired of twitching over trifles, but how will it squeeze it? Who will believe them and rise? In order to turn to people - “brothers and sisters”, and they listened to you and followed you, there are few such quizzes, but their organizers don’t understand this, they live one day and the lyrics say, your native country would live and there would be no others worries "is just cool for them, without any meaning.
      1. Normal
        Normal 21 August 2013 22: 10 New
        +5
        Quote: avt
        Do not get excited, think about how many swamp hamsters, from the principle, voted for the mosque to salt the GDP

        Well, how much? Absolutely inadequate? fool In the swamp there were neither Caucasians nor Asians. Why frighten the opponents of GDP to vote for the Mosque? Or maybe Kadyrov is a swamp hamster, along with all of Chechnya? Crazed pro-power in the swamp. They got so scared that they still cannot calm down. Everywhere they swamp hamsters seem to drink less need ....
        1. Mairos
          Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 39 New
          +1
          Yes, they wind the mosque. If you frequently update the page, you can see that fewer people vote for the mosque, and then in one fell swoop, 200-300-400 votes increase immediately. For the Kolomna Kremlin, however, voices go gradually and more than for a mosque.
    4. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 21 August 2013 22: 26 New
      +6
      If we take up the issue objectively and fairly, then the symbol of Russia should be the object that the real majority in Russia like. I think in this case, the Kolomna Kremlin will win. And indeed, a beautiful building! But guys, how you react to a random advantage in favor of the mosque has shown how disgusting we non-Russians are to you ... Honestly ... I am destroyed ...
      O Allah, make the Russian cultural monument become the symbol of Russia! Otherwise, the Russians, us, Untermensch, will crush and despise even more!
      1. Day 11
        Day 11 21 August 2013 22: 45 New
        11
        If your youth (which is not the best part here) even comes close to your level of understanding, no one will say bad words to you!
      2. elenasvetlova
        elenasvetlova 21 August 2013 22: 48 New
        +1
        I completely agree that today people smoked here - tin.
        As for the drink - do not drink. I’m sitting looking out the window, the time is 22.40 p.m., the window is on the town square, all the benches are occupied by young people, girls with prams, guys on skateboards, music from youth cars ... and one small detail that may not be striking to everyone, next to the shops, where young people and ladies with prams are sitting, just mountains of empty beer containers, cans, bags, etc. under the feet, as usual, although not visible from afar, a carpet of husk from the seeds. It is for Sergey47 it may seem strange, but the majority of people who drink and drink are young people, teenagers, and at the same time mercilessly tar. And after that you talk about drinking less? not only that, but the drug is different, as hemp odor occasionally flies into the window ...
        like that. complete relaxation, and there will be no one to stand for a lonely defenseless girl on the street, as he said afire - sit in the subway and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs, have cheated everything around while drinking beer, raise your own sons and daughters who have been smoking since 10 years
        And Russian men become cowards, moving away from unnecessary and not related to their problems. where are we going ...
        1. Lapotnik
          Lapotnik 22 August 2013 11: 45 New
          +2
          Interestingly, I walk around St. Petersburg on a day off and, as it were, there are not enough people sitting with beer, and even more so walking. Maybe this is from the series that he wanted and saw? And then - if I sat on the bench where the bottles were thrown, does it mean that I am an alcoholic, or didn’t you remove the garbage on time?
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 22 August 2013 12: 04 New
          +2
          Nationality has nothing to do with it. Men become weaker and more cowardly in any liberal-democratic society, where the highest values ​​are life, comfort, rights and money, and not honor, conscience, duties and duty. Look at many of the “Moscow Caucasians” - patched stools in tight-fitting jeans or Turkish sharavaras, arrogant and cheeky manners. This is the result of degradation from warriors (even abreks) to the "golden" youth of the liberal party. Well, about the Turkish-Egyptian gigolos in the resorts you can also remember - also a form of degradation, but already of eastern men.

          In general, drop all Russians into one measure, most worthy people work, create families, raise their children to their feet.
        3. Pensioner
          Pensioner 23 August 2013 04: 16 New
          0
          She sits at the window and sees all sorts of "minuses" of the surrounding society. And she tells us here. She’s so good and right, but all her compatriots are bad themselves. the street? ". Therefore, she sits at home, from the window cowardly watches everyone and condemns everyone. Like everyone is bad, but she herself is good. Fu, she would be better off sitting silently. It’s you who knows where to roll. And Russian men have pride and courage! Only it’s not visible about your honor, if you are craping your own. You are just as ugly cowards in life as you are. And there is nothing to offend all Russian men. If they are here as normal men did not answer you, then I will answer you. For my Russian brothers. For sons, grandchildren and great-grandchildren. And I’ll ask you like a grandmother, like a mother, like a sister of all Russians. You’re an underwater snake, cheap.
        4. Cpa
          Cpa 23 August 2013 05: 24 New
          +2
          Many women are banal flirting with Caucasians than they sin. Raise your daughters with dignity and don’t go into raising your sons and everything will be in the “Christmas tree.” It is an unworthy technique to humiliate your men in the eyes of a representative of another nation in order to flatter his vanity.
      3. Asgard
        Asgard 21 August 2013 23: 11 New
        +8
        What a kindergarten
        Russian People treat People Well ...
        You, Dear Magomed, have confirmed with this commentary that it is not in vain that you bear the title of Man. So honor and respect ...
        Since you know such an “elusive” category as justice, conscience, desire for Good to others ...

        Nationalities, mosques, religions are conventions in your brain ...
        There are two categories on the planet: Humans and wildlife.
        Some "animals" are very much like People, they even talk, they even are Presidents of companies, banks and states ...
        They are distinguished from Humans by a lack of conscience - they achieve their tasks -AT ANY COST....
        but this can never be done ...
        everything has its own "price", and human life is priceless ...
      4. Normal
        Normal 22 August 2013 00: 33 New
        +7
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        But guys, the way you react to randomthe advantage in favor of the mosque showed how much we non-Russians are disgusting to you... Honestly ... I am destroyed ...

        Not true, Magomed, not true ... Yes, I am a Russian nationalist and by and large there are two nationalities for me; Russian and non-Russian. But! Maybe Russian .... Circassian Timur Shaov, Georgian Bagration, Mordvin Devyatayev and generally anyone who wants it.
        Not non-Russians disgust us, but ethno-Nazism. We are disgusted when a small but proud and belligerent mountain people impose on us their will, their behavior, their mosque as a symbol of Russia, to treat us with arrogance, arrogance and hatred. And we should not say that this random preponderance in favor of the mosque, you cover up the desire to impose someone else's will on us, mask the need for Caucasians to be above all, and even more so than Russians. The desire of Caucasians (Chechens and some of the Dagestan nationalities) to dominate everywhere and in everything is akin to the ideology of Nazism with its racial superiority. Only the superiority of the race is replaced by the superiority of the ethnic group and is not formulated by ideological theorists, but is a national feature and is brought up from childhood.
        As soon as the traditions of manifestation of Caucasian superiority are destroyed (I don’t know how, by war, separation or blockade, seizure of territory and harsh actions of other peoples and states), the rejection of Caucasians by Russians will disappear immediately.
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 10: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: Normal
          it’s not necessary to say that this is an accidental advantage in favor of the mosque, by this you cover the desire to impose someone else’s will on us, mask the need for Caucasians to be above all, and even more so above Russians.

          Impudent lie !!! The mosque really wins by chance, only because of the 100 million! Russian, even 10 million too lazy! vote for him, and if even 10% of Russians vote, then no other cultural monument will win, except for the Kolomna Kremlin! Even if Kadyrov buys everyone and everything !!!
          Caucasians do not want to be above all! Caucasians want to be equal and only equal! Just do not try to bring into the argument the Caucasian idiots-gopniks who are also gopniks in Africa, which does not mean that all Caucasians are completely gopniks! As soon as we make an attempt to become equal to the Russian in the moral and legal sense, we are declared all-Russian persecution, with completely unjust statements that we are upstarts and want to be above all! We stutter about equality, and the Russians instantly accuse us of striving for excellence! Isn't that hypocrisy ?! OR RUSSIANS, HONESTLY AND JUST, BEGIN WITH YOURSELF, TO ENSURE THE MORAL AND LEGAL EQUALITY OF ALL PEOPLES, OR PERSONALLY ME, FUCK DOESN'T NEED SUCH PEDIUM UNION !!!
          Vladimir, what do you think?
          1. Mairos
            Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 50 New
            0
            I already wrote - refresh the page and see how the counters change.
          2. Normal
            Normal 22 August 2013 12: 14 New
            +5
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            Vladimir, what do you think?

            Usually, habitually, arrogantly and deceitfully, as always, or almost always by the Caucasians.
            The points.
            The mosque really wins by chance,

            Impudent lie! The number of votes cast for the mosque exceeds the population of Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia and Kabardino-Balkaria taken together, including infants. it accidentally it happened?
            because out of 100 million! Russian, even 10 million too lazy! vote for him, and if even 10% of Russians vote, then no other cultural monument will win, except for the Kolomna Kremlin!

            The Russians vote not only for the Kolomna Kremlin, and the number of votes for all the proposed options exceeds the number of votes for the mosque.
            Caucasians do not want to be above all! Caucasians want to be equal and only equal!

            Impudent lie! Ask the young Caucasian (without cops and TV cameras) if he wants to be equal to Russian - get it in the eye! (if you yourself are not Caucasian)
            Just do not try to bring into the argument the Caucasian idiots-gopniks who are also gopniks in Africa, which does not mean that all Caucasians are completely gopniks!

            Well, of course! Rafik is no fault! Maybe your youth behaves with dignity, but not in Russia. But if they are gopniks in Russian cities, it means that they are brought up by you in the Caucasus.
            Your statements that Caucasians are white and fluffy only confirms that you constantly impose your opinion on us.
            We have our own, well-established and confirmed by dozens of examples opinion about Caucasians and we don’t need to breed us. Do not impose.
            As soon as we make an attempt to become equal to Russians in the moral and legal sense,

            Are Caucasians not equal to Russians in the legal and moral sense? What is this expressed in? Caucasians are discriminated against, they are not allowed into cafes and restaurants, they are not accepted to universities, they are not hired, they are not allowed to trade? Are Caucasians deprived of the right to vote and do not have the rights of Russian citizens?
            All-Russian persecution is declared against us, with completely unjust statements that we are upstart and want to be above all!

            That is, when the Caucasians kill Russians in Moscow or the Tatar in Pugachev, beat the deputy and threatens him with a pistol, break the skull of an operative while detaining their relative, accused of attempted rape, does the Caucasians only want to become equal to the Russian in the legal and moral sense? What bad are these Russians; they poison the quiet, calm and law-abiding Caucasians, unjustly consider them upstarts and blame them (completely unfounded!)
            striving for excellence! Isn't that hypocrisy ?!

            Of course hypocrisy! The usual Caucasian hypocrisy, the desire to impose their will and desire to assert their superiority over others. What you write only confirms my statements.
          3. Normal
            Normal 22 August 2013 12: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            OR RUSSIANS, HONESTLY AND JUST, STARTING WITH YOURSELF, TO ENSURE THE MORAL AND LEGAL EQUALITY OF ALL PEOPLES, OR PERSONALLY TO ME,

            There is no limit to your arrogance and conceit. It turns out the Russians have not yet begun. Dagestan and the Czech Republic, having relatively warm climate conditions for farming, oil, Caspian fish-caviar, mountains, tourism and resorts, roads and enterprises built by the Russians, are subsidized from the center and do not pay for gas and electricity. Having the opportunity, thanks to the Unified State Examination and quotas, for the admission of its youth to the best universities in the country, the Caucasus sends its scumbags and idlers to Russia, and when they come across it releases them according to parole. And with all this, declares
            FUCK DO NOT NEED SUCH A PEDIUM UNION !!!

            Yes it is Kostroma and Smolensk, Pskov and Voronezh, Vologda and Kaluga, Nizhny Novgorod and Omsk, Kirov and Novosibirsk, RUSSIA FUCK NOT NEED SUCH UNION WITH THE CAUCASUS!
            We tolerate and feed you only so as not to fight. But you do not calm down and still have to fight. You do not understand for good. For a long time you should have been given to Iran and Turkey. Here they would provide you with moral and legal equality.

            Magomed, but how do you think this?
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 13: 16 New
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              If you do not find fault with individual distortions, then, a very harmonious opinion from a logical point of view! Although my opinion is no less slim, too.
              And now about the main thing: is our Great Country with us all (if you don’t mind, let's pretend that it is) alone? - one! Any one nation with us should be more equal among the rest of the equal? - no! Need to stop the process of pulling the blankets? - Yes! View the meaning of the word JUSTICE in the Ozhegov dictionary is necessary for everyone? - necessary! Do you need to start building international relations fairly? - necessary!
              Vladimir, are you with me? Or are you afraid to fall on your back if I let go of my piece of blanket?
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 22 August 2013 16: 27 New
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                They do not give you Mohammed to unsubscribe me! Once again --- you will not deny our established world (I do not mean drunkenness is evil!) --- we (I in particular) are with all our souls !!!
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 16: 57 New
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                  Denis, I'm sorry, to be honest, I did not understand you. Please explain your idea more broadly.
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 22 August 2013 17: 14 New
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                    Sorry Mohammed. What I wanted to say --- I was in Abkhazia, I didn’t insult them with a word! (Maybe you understand me). In life, I won’t believe that Lado will behave badly in Russia! He’s half Georgian, half Abkhaz. I have friends everywhere! Because they studied and lived in ONE GREAT country!
              2. Normal
                Normal 22 August 2013 19: 50 New
                +2
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                If you do not find fault with individual distortions, then, a very harmonious opinion from a logical point of view!

                Thank you.
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Is it our country at all (if you don’t mind, let's pretend that this is so) alone? - one! Any one nation with us should be more equal among the rest of the equal? - no!

                What kind of demagoguery, Magomed? What does equal mean? The Russians demand an equal attitude of the authorities (by no means Russian and representing non-Russian interests) to all the peoples of Russia, and in response he hears that Caucasians are more educated, brave, worthy people and therefore Russians should move in Russia. Despite the fact that the Russian population in the Caucasus is almost destroyed and continues to decline.
                We have one country, but look at the map. What is written there on the largest country in the world? THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION No D A G E S T A N and K A B K A Z, Magomed, and the Russian Federation. That is, a federation created by Russia. Not Dagestan and the Caucasus, but Russia, that is, Russian people in the first place. And the Caucasus, if my memory serves me, was conquered and joined to Russia. Caucasus to Russia, Magomed, and not vice versa. Moreover, despite the fact that the Caucasus was given preferences, privileges and concessions not seen with respect to the conquered territories, the vast territories of the Caucasus are rebellious and K.T.O.
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Vladimir, are you with me? Or are you afraid to fall on your back if I let go of my piece of blanket?

                Let's agree that everyone should have their own blanket.
                The Caucasus has it, a new one, warm and bought together by all Russian regions. So do not run under my blanket, to my daughters and wife, my frostbitten youth. Did you bring them up like that? Well, take them to yourself, such proud fair and educated. No work? Did they come to work in Russia?
                No need to pull the blanket over yourself while screaming about the oppression of the Caucasus.
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 20: 47 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Normal
                  and in response he hears that Caucasians are more educated, brave, worthy people and therefore Russians should move in Russia. Despite the fact that the Russian population in the Caucasus is almost destroyed and continues to decline.

                  - hmm .. even for the Russians it was insulting mechanically ... not everything is still lost in the soul ... I'm talking about fraternity ...
                  Quote: Normal
                  That is, a federation created by Russia. Not Dagestan and the Caucasus, but Russia, that is, Russian people in the first place.

                  - Well, here I am, about the same ... - Russians are more equal among equals ...
                  Quote: Normal
                  Let's agree that everyone should have their own blanket.

                  Quote: Normal
                  No need to pull the blanket over yourself while screaming about the oppression of the Caucasus.

                  - the idea is clear.
                  For your analysis - mind you, the mechanics of the counter-arguments in our dispute boil down to one thing - in Russia it is always, ostensibly (or maybe actually) the unfair position of one people in relation to another.
                  1. Normal
                    Normal 22 August 2013 22: 34 New
                    0
                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    For your analysis - mind you, the mechanics of the counter arguments in our dispute

                    I don’t have a systematic education, but I don’t have a desire to fumble on the network, so I can’t name the authors and quote literally well-known quotes;
                    "The most oppressed and powerless people in the empire are the titular people"
                    "In the empire you have to live in a province by the sea"
                    "I give privileges to my younger children at the expense of the older ones."
                    But I think that you will understand what kind of quotes we are talking about. If you want, you will find a lot of these.

                    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                    in Russia always, ostensibly (or maybe actually so) the unfair position of one people in relation to another.

                    Isn’t that so? Only you think that the situation of the oppressed Caucasians is unfair, and I believe that the situation of Caucasians is in no way worse than the situation of Russians. On the contrary, the Caucasus was granted the most favored nation treatment from all regions of Russia. But the Caucasus perceives this as a weakness of Russia and, after another concession, takes a step forward and starts to advance unreasonable claims from a new position.
                    What are we arguing about at all? The article itself and the voting process at the Russia 10 contest say that several million Caucasians are imposing their opinions on the 100 million people of Russia. What mosque is a symbol of Russia? Chechnya and Dagestan are not aware that Russia will not agree with this? Yes, Chechnya wanted to spit on the opinion of the Russians; Caucasus is power! And the necessary resources are mobilized to push through an option that is absolutely not acceptable for the majority. Even those who are more or less adequate who do not push this option personally, justify this push in every way. Fact on the face! Why should I agree with this?
                  2. DAGESTAN333
                    DAGESTAN333 23 August 2013 09: 13 New
                    0
                    Quote: Normal
                    Yes, Chechnya wanted to spit on the opinion of Russian
                    - Vladimir, you are so confidently shouting about it, as if it was an unshakable truth ... And I think you are wrong.
                    Quote: Normal
                    Even those who are more or less adequate who do not push this option personally, justify this push in every way. Fact on the face!

                    - Vladimir, are you manipulating with the help of big words? This is a "fact" that you need, and people like you. But in fact, no one pushes anything in a special way. It's just that there and there, who are interested, they cheat as they can, voting multiple times. And in general, Vladimir, stop, you saw that I can argue in your stubborn style ... And we will have an eternal draw ... But do we need it? One must look for compromises friend, compromises!
          4. Setrac
            Setrac 22 August 2013 16: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Normal
            For a long time you should have been given to Iran and Turkey. Here they would provide you with moral and legal equality.

            Give as Circassians, without territories, let everyone come, seek equality in Iran and Turkey.
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 16: 48 New
              0
              Freak ... aw ... you read fantasy ... it’s harmful ... How it won’t be with the Circassians ... If Dagestan no longer likes the laws of the Russian Federation, then Russia will have to move the sea borders to the mouth of the Volga, and land to the region of Stavropol! At the same time removing the fleet and army. Do not you agree? Do you think to check, let me know.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 22 August 2013 17: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Do not you agree?

                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Freak ...

                You are just a fool.
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                As with the Circassians will not ...

                More as it will be.
                Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                Russia will have to push the sea borders to the mouth of the Volga, and land to the Stavropol region!

                Actually, here it is your anti-Russian worldview, your dream of the collapse of Russia.
                1. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 19: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Setrac
                  Actually, here it is your anti-Russian worldview, your dream of the collapse of Russia.
                  - no, but what, insulting .. well done .. did not expect. Only now, you know, now the questions are the worst to eat .. - do I need Russia at all, do I need to love it, and for what, do I love Russia ..?
                  Quote: Setrac
                  You are just a fool.
                  - and I often think about it ...
                  You know brother, forgive me, okay, I'm in my uncouth style, I didn’t even think that you can be young .., no, I don’t say that I’m kind of wiser than you, etc., you just know, I’m from that the generation that went to the district showdowns in a mixed national composition. Then, we had no chocks, no ingots, or other otherworldly strength .. And now ...
                  By the way, pay attention to the fact that the older generation does not interfere in this dispute on the site, they prefer to be silent. Do you know why? Because, they understand, the national question in Russia is such a deep shit that even at the level of government they are afraid to take it seriously ...
        2. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 14: 03 New
          0
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          As soon as we make an attempt to become equal Russian in the moral and legal sense

          I am embarrassed to ask - where and in what way are Caucasians disadvantaged in the moral and legal sense? So much so that one must make an attempt to become equal.
          You do not even eat)))
          1. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 14: 56 New
            -2
            Shyness (shyness, shyness) - the state of the psyche and the behavior of animals and humans caused by it, the characteristic features of which are: indecision, timidity, tension, stiffness and awkwardness in society due to self-doubt or lack of social skills.
            Have you been in the know? Only - honestly ...
            Talk about symbolism? For example, in the village council building of my village, the Russian tricolor flutters. The question is - why should a symbol that historically is not mine be waving at my place? Why should the Russian ancient sign be the symbol of Russia? No, no problem - the symbol is beautiful, flawless! I am personally satisfied! I agree to accept the symbol of the brotherly people! But why, when they choose a national symbol, say, the next time, the Russian is outraged when the opportunity to choose a symbol close to my soul is on the agenda? Don't I relate to Russia? Are my values ​​not equivalent to the values ​​of Russian? I understand that in a country where there are more Russians than all, it should be in Russian - rightly! But the values ​​of national minorities do not have a right to exist at all? Even sometimes?
            1. antiaircrafter
              antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 15: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Have you been in the know? Only - honestly ...

              Nope, it wasn’t.
              I’ll periodically use a bunch of words “I’m embarrassed to ask” to start a conversation without any subtext.
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Why should I have a symbol in my house that historically is not mine?

              For God's sake, hang the flag of your village next to you. Who is bothering?
              Ancestors swore allegiance to Russia? So the symbol is historically yours as well. Or were they conquered by brute force and symbols imposed against them and your will?
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              But why, when they choose a national symbol, say, the next time, the Russian is outraged when the opportunity to choose a symbol close to my soul is on the agenda?

              The Russian is outraged not by the possibility of choice, but by a somewhat unfair gathering of votes.
              I will not argue that the way it is, because I do not own reliable data and do not personally monitor the situation. But there is such an opinion.
              My personal opinion is that a remake cannot be a state symbol. Historically, nothing is connected with him and the state.
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              Are my values ​​not equivalent to the values ​​of Russian?

              Equivalent, I do not argue. But what relation do they have to the symbol of the state, built mainly by labor, then by the blood of the Russian people?
              1. DAGESTAN333
                DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 16: 31 New
                0
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                The Russian is outraged not by the possibility of choice, but by a somewhat unfair gathering of votes. I won’t say that it is so.
                - No, you are a little wrong - the vote, technically, most likely passes correctly, because the Muslims of Russia, not only the Chechens, are likely to vote Muslims from all over Russia for the mosque. In my opinion, the injustice lies in the fact that the Russians cannot consolidate vote for one object in Russia, let them concentrate their votes and choose the most beautiful and worthy for the Russians.
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                But what relation do they have to the symbol of the state, built mainly by labor, then by the blood of the Russian people?
                - Fair. But then, let the Russian rulers, not always assert that all nations within are equally related to the state of Russia.
                1. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 18: 11 New
                  +2
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  the vote, technically, is likely to go right,

                  I would not say.
                  The possibility of multiple voting from one IP and sending SMS from one number to the same object somehow does not fit with the correctness of the technical organization of voting.
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  But then, let the Russian rulers, not always assert that all nations within are equally related to the state of Russia.

                  Are you in the state voluntarily? It means that you have an equal attitude to the state, like any other citizen.
                  The fact that the values ​​of a particular person are not symbols of the state, well, that’s how it happened historically. Dagestanis will do something really significant on a state scale - we will put your symbols in the number of state ones.

                  I consider this a provocation as a vote - at first they brought the mosque into the lead, now various articles appear (with the thought - how can it be !!!) that clash Muslims and Russians.
                2. DAGESTAN333
                  DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 18: 40 New
                  +2
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  multiple voting from one IP and sending SMS from one number for the same object
                  - if so, then it would be very mean ...
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  The fact that the values ​​of a particular person are not symbols of the state, well, that’s how it happened historically.

                  -))) Are you kidding, of course, exquisitely ... And if the values ​​of a particular ethnic group, or denomination ..?
                  Quote: antiaircrafter
                  Dagestanis will do something really significant on a state scale - we will put your symbols in the number of state ones.

                  - Well now, I see (let's not talk about my vision) glimpses of justice. Such a thesis, for example, is quite acceptable to me.
                3. antiaircrafter
                  antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 19: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  And if the values ​​of a particular ethnic group, or denomination ..?

                  In the emblem of the USSR were mentioned all the republics.
                  The Federation Council has representatives of Dagestan.
                  Design a coat of arms and flag - insert a sentence. Consider a popular referendum, make a decision. As we vote, so be it.
                  Quote: DAGESTANETS333
                  - if so, then it would be very mean ...

                  This is true. I could not resist, I tried. Clearly, not for a mosque.
                  Yes, I read it - someone writes that he votes every day.
              2. sleepy
                sleepy 23 August 2013 02: 58 New
                0
                Quote: antiaircrafter
                "I consider this a provocation as a vote - first they brought the mosque to the leaders, now various articles appear
                (with a thought - why so !!!), clashing Muslims
                and Russians. "


                This principle - divide and conquer - is quite old,
                but successfully applied so far.
            2. Setrac
              Setrac 22 August 2013 18: 18 New
              0
              Quote: DAGESTANETS333
              In my opinion, the injustice lies in the fact that the Russians cannot consolidate vote for one object in Russia, let them concentrate their votes and choose the most beautiful and worthy for the Russians.

              It is an injustice that many ONE Muslim mosques are capitalized against ONE Muslim mosque (this shrine cannot be called a shrine), thus dispersing the voices of Russians among many applicants, is this a false poll and the winner will be despised, do you want this for your mosque?
            3. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 19: 27 New
              +3
              And .. we are already on you .. it’s already inconvenient somehow ((Well, okay.

              I, too, will not respect the false winner.
            4. Cpa
              Cpa 23 August 2013 00: 08 New
              +1
              In Dagestan there are UNESCO monuments, time-tested and respected by the entire population. For example, the fortress in Derbent, in my opinion, is a worthy symbol from the Caucasus instead of a remake. An article provokes public opinion. Reasonable people do not lead to this. Do not worry, spoiling the relationship will be even more difficult .I propose a compromise, make a symbol of a mountain of worship. hi
            5. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 23 August 2013 09: 19 New
              +1
              Quote: KPA
              I suggest a compromise, to make a symbol of a mountain of worship.

              - that would certainly be good. Yes, let the Kolomna Kremlin be, it’s very beautiful.
  • Setrac
    Setrac 22 August 2013 15: 56 New
    +1
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    OR PERSONALLY TO ME, FUCK DOESN'T NEED SUCH PEDIUM UNION !!!

    Suitcase-station-Turkey - for anyone who does not want to be part of Russia, remember the Circassians before throwing such statements, it will not end well for you
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 16: 09 New
      0
      I, at home, in Dagestan! And at my place, there will be those rules that seem interesting to me! How do you understand, moron?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 22 August 2013 18: 19 New
        0
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        How do you understand, moron?

        Yes, you went ....
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 19: 23 New
          0
          I apologize, above ...
          1. Setrac
            Setrac 22 August 2013 19: 28 New
            +1
            Quote: DAGESTANETS333
            I apologize, above ...

            Sorry, I updated the page late!
          2. sleepy
            sleepy 23 August 2013 03: 08 New
            +1
            Dialogues resemble something from childhood.



            PS Maybe humor will stop enmity?
          3. DAGESTAN333
            DAGESTAN333 23 August 2013 09: 51 New
            0
            Thank you, Sergey! ))))) Damn, and really ... I felt like a fool ...
  • Mairos
    Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 49 New
    0
    Yes, you do not directly take some of his expressions. ))) He just loves to jerk, humor and express himself sarcastically. )) The style is))
  • dima1970
    dima1970 22 August 2013 02: 20 New
    +1
    much more?
  • Mairos
    Mairos 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
    +1
    Man, there is no hatred. They just make a wrap up at the mosque, and here again they give occasion to be indignant - again a “privilege” and again a “Caucasus”. Nevertheless, they understand that by the number of those who are REALLY for the mosque, well, in no way it can be the first.
    The mosque is also beautiful, it’s stupid to argue, but it, in this case and in the first place of the rating, has become not a beautiful building, but a symbol of another flirting in front of the Caucasus - now the organizers of the competition. So people see it.
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 13: 25 New
      0
      Mairos, my friend, there is no hatred among people like us. But such as Normaldisagree with us.
  • antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 13: 35 New
    -2
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    Russians, us, Unterman, will crush and despise even more!

    Learn to cook and eat ...
    hee hee ..
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 15: 38 New
      -1
      No, well, buddy, are you seriously ..?! No .. I can’t ...
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 18: 16 New
        +1
        Quote: DAGESTANETS333
        I can't do that ...

        And the two eccentrics who put me cons are probably ready to eat a Dagestan ... maybe even without onions and without salt, since they have not learned how to cook.
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 19: 24 New
          0
          )))))) haha ​​...
          No, well, don’t say that either, minus, including mine, to you, for an unscrupulous (as it seemed) laugh ...
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 20: 19 New
            0
            A chuckle merely indicates the frivolity of fasting.
            By the way, about the congress - this is from your posts in from yesterday's topic.
            In general, an attempt at a joke.
            1. DAGESTAN333
              DAGESTAN333 22 August 2013 20: 57 New
              0
              Accepted.)))))
  • Gladiatir-zlo
    Gladiatir-zlo 22 August 2013 21: 51 New
    0
    Ah, well done, you sir, judging by the flag from Geyropa, live by the principle I meet by clothes, and finally I can’t see you off. Excellent position, understandable, good luck on the Islamic continent of Europastan. And we have to think hard, to act, to give birth to children, so that every Russian peasant has three four children, and so that he, not hoping for school and the state, educates them, independent, hardworking, free men. And to symbols that are alien to us, there will be freedom of the spirit, and after it freedom of action will come.
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  • Skiff
    Skiff 21 August 2013 15: 27 New
    11

    The selection of the main monuments will be held in three stages. Until the end of June, users selected from seven hundred objects from all over the country. The second stage included only eighty attractions: ten from each federal district. You can vote by SMS or on the competition website - three votes are accepted from one IP address per day (it doesn’t matter for one or for different objects). In the first case, one message worth about 3,5 rubles is equivalent to three votes, the number of such messages is not limited. September 1, 30 most popular participants will go to the finals. There, the voices collected before this will be reset to zero, and the winner as such will no longer be: the fight will be fought for getting into the top ten. Voting will end on September 29th.

    Below is a screenshot of Ramzan Kadyrov’s Instagram page
    So we vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, since such pretzels come out.
    1. almost demobil
      almost demobil 21 August 2013 18: 06 New
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      TAKE "RUSSIA 10" AND VOT ON THE DAY POSSIBLE UP TO 3 TIMES! NOT THEN YOUR CHILDREN WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE RUSSIAN SYMBOL THE MUSLIM MOSQUE! stop
      1. zennon
        zennon 21 August 2013 19: 33 New
        +2
        BECAUSE YOUR CHILDREN WILL EXPLAIN WHY THE SYMBOL OF RUSSIA THE MUSLIM MOSQUE!

        You are there with a Nagly flag explain to your children NOWwhy in naglia the most popular name is "MUHAMED".
        Yes, admire your “national” team in any sport!
        1. almost demobil
          almost demobil 21 August 2013 19: 39 New
          +5
          You can fasten this flag to your fifth point, you have already lifted it. I have nothing to do with it - I live in Novosibirsk! Understand the Mohammed.
          1. zennon
            zennon 21 August 2013 20: 29 New
            -4
            You can fasten this flag to your fifth point, you have already lifted it.

            He doesn’t need me, it’s you who flaunts under him.
        2. Alexei
          Alexei 21 August 2013 19: 42 New
          +2
          Quote: zennon
          There, with a Nagly flag there, explain to your children NOW why in Naglia the most popular name is “MUHAMED”.

          Yes, it will soon be the most popular everywhere, and especially in places with Western values.
      2. prophetic
        prophetic 21 August 2013 19: 59 New
        +6
        I placed my status in classmates with an appeal to friends to vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, so who the hell did anyone pay attention. It’s more important to grow cucumbers on online game farms, and then the truth will be whining “like a mosque and a symbol of Russia.”
        we Russians have a lot of symbols, voices have diverged, and a bunch of Chechens vote for one mosque, and it’s not a fact that it is such a sight, if only for them. And in our history there were many glorious days and many symbols, and besides There are many temples and cultural monuments throughout the country. Our culture is known to the whole world, and there is no need to prove anything, but Chechens ... Chechens are known for being terrorists, murderers and animals, and no vote will remove this seal from them. Let are self-conscious and admire imaginary culture
        1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 21 August 2013 22: 35 New
          +2
          Why is the star one? Brother? Four must be agree?
    2. igor67
      igor67 22 August 2013 00: 27 New
      +2
      named after Akhmat Kadyrov at the expense of the Chechen administration
      09.03.2013, 20: 46 | "Newspaper.Ru"
      Israel has been building a mosque named after Akhmat Kadyrov for four years at the expense of the Chechen administration, the Russian News Service reports.

      “The site of the local council in Abu Ghosh has all the documents of the planning committee. By law, they must be put on public display. In technical terms, the construction of this mosque, which was started back in 2009, has a total size of 3500 square meters, ”the correspondent of RSN in Israel reports.

      According to him, foreign funds are often attracted in the country for the construction of various facilities. So, several stadiums were built with the money of Arab sheikhs.

      “This is a normal procedure. Apparently, the money ran out at a certain stage, this construction lasted four years. This is only welcomed, no one is looking for any background, ”the radio station employee emphasized.

      In Abu Ghosh, where it is believed that descendants of Chechens live, there is already a street named after the father of the current head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, according to RSN.

      In December, the republic’s government announced that a capsule laying ceremony was underway in the Chechen city of Shali for the construction of the Ramzan Kadyrov Mosque, which will accommodate about 10 thousand people.
  • Interface
    Interface 21 August 2013 20: 22 New
    +5
    Gentlemen, I have a brilliant plan ...

    The situation is as follows: WE GO IN AND VOTE FOR KOLOMENSKY KREMLIN, POSSIBLE 3 TIMES.
    Afiget logic, huh? I also check out))
    Russia is not Khachestan, so let's prove this to Comrade. Kaaadyrov ... stop
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 August 2013 20: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: Interface
      Russia is not Khachestan, so let's prove this to Comrade. Kaaadyrov ...

      But Kadyrov is not a Christian in order to be a khach. Khach is a cross and has nothing to do with Muslims. And for inciting ethnic hatred, your comment should be deleted.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 10: 28 New
    +2
    Quote: makst83
    They wind up their voices, it's as old as the world! They showed on TV how they all were brought in to the polling stations in droves (no other than a herd) and they voted, even people ignorant of this! I don’t see any historical or architectural delights in this building! Yes it will not be! Everyone took and voted, 3 times on the site and sending SMS from the phone - is it really that hard !? Give the Kolomna Kremlin a symbol of Russia!


    In general, the symbol of Russia for the whole world and for the majority of Russians is the Moscow Kremlin and for this even voting should not be held. And about the Chechen mosque, whether it will be yet, Tatarstan is the third capital of Russia, the Chechen mosque is a symbol of Russia, Akhmat Kadyrov is apparently the main character of Russia, etc. Let Putin flirt even more with the national republics and clans, let him further saturate the thieves' national "elites" - play out - the capital will be transferred to Grozny. Wake up people!
  • 416sd
    416sd 22 August 2013 12: 56 New
    +1
    Before I answer, I ask you to understand me correctly - even though I am a Muslim (not only by blood, but also in terms of beliefs and daily morality), I understand the pain of the author. It is good that Russia, as an empire, creates opportunities for Muslims to build their temples. But it’s ridiculous when a mosque becomes a symbol of Russia.

    And actually I wanted to answer: WHY THE RUSSIANS DO NOT GET EXACTLY THE SAME (cheat, crowds traveling on buses to vote, etc.)? Didn’t understand what would happen? Laziness? Apathy? Lack of interest? What's the matter?
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 22 August 2013 14: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: 416sd
      AND WHY THE RUSSIANS DO NOT GET EXACTLY THE SAME (cheat, crowds on buses going to vote, etc.

      Quote: 416sd
      What is it?

      In Honesty of the Russian people !!!
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 05 New
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    Selling government.
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  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 August 2013 15: 07 New
    +2
    Mdya and the mosque is really beautiful. And the lighting technicians did a good job.
  • AK-47
    AK-47 21 August 2013 15: 08 New
    14
    Chechnya, in the full sense, is the national state of the Chechen people - mono-ethnic and rigidly defending the interests of ethnic Chechens.

    If only Russia would behave like that.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 10 New
      23
      The officials have all sold out, they don’t care about the Russians, they praise everyone and they demand everyone to think about them, and it’s not customary to think about Russians. And if the Russian also offends the article to him, it just looks like a betrayal.
      1. makst83
        makst83 21 August 2013 15: 13 New
        19
        Absolutely right! No wonder Article 282 "The incitement of hatred or enmity, as well as the humiliation of human dignity" is called the Russian article!
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        2. afire
          afire 21 August 2013 16: 55 New
          -12
          Zhenya and makst83, you weren’t seen here before, and here you’ve almost evenly divided the stars, and the opinions are identical for both, and you cover each other, and registration is December 2012 for both, and the appearance is simultaneous.
          In my opinion, you are the only person involved in provocations.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 21 August 2013 17: 02 New
            11
            afire Your look is fundamentally wrong. I live in Moscow, can I describe my area? I myself see you for the first time, I can attribute the same thing to you, but what's the point? that is, if I support the Russian people and against Islamization, am I a provocateur?
            Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!
            1. afire
              afire 21 August 2013 17: 29 New
              -1
              Quote: Marrying

              Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!

              it would be better to shut your mouth, provocateur, in your head instead of brains, only that the chocks are to blame for everything.
              And the fact that WE became weaklings, incapable of adequate actions and behaving like that woodpecker with a camera on the balcony, filming how chocks danced in his yard at 12 at night, you said nothing.
              WHO ALLOWED THEM ??? - OUR ON ... ISM !!!! what prevented him from going out? he is weak by will, which is why they use us as they want, absolutely any nationalities can do this and no one will tell them anything! It's just that these people have no respect for the Gentile. And we don’t vaccinate him, because ssym.
            2. Alexei
              Alexei 21 August 2013 19: 51 New
              +5
              Quote: Marrying
              that is, if I support the Russian people and against Islamization, am I a provocateur?

              What's the use? It is necessary that the Russian people support themselves. And from your support it becomes a pity for ourselves, and that look snot go. What do our children see? Like parents at home in the kitchen scolding chocks, and on the street you yourself know the language where, and look somewhere to the side, and add a step if suddenly what. BUT? Fine? In the kitchen and on the net, everything is so real, damn it ...
            3. tverskoi77
              tverskoi77 22 August 2013 11: 41 New
              0
              Father, you’re just an opponent of the Russian population!

              there are such "Kremlin trolls."
              Moreover, under the word Kremlin I hope you understand that it’s not Kolomensky)))
          2. makst83
            makst83 21 August 2013 17: 37 New
            +6
            And you have evidence that I am engaged in provocations and I am one and the same person with a respected FRAUD, otherwise you will be recognized as a person who is not responsible for your words and just a balabol! Yes, and I live, unlike ZHENI, in the city of Perm!
            1. afire
              afire 21 August 2013 17: 45 New
              -7
              oh already here how fast.
              let's stop (those) this booth.
              By the way, you seem like a balabol
              1. makst83
                makst83 21 August 2013 18: 14 New
                0
                evidence in the studio! About the balobol, what am I sick of !?
          3. vlrosch
            vlrosch 21 August 2013 17: 59 New
            +2
            I wonder why some former bandit (I don’t know the nationality) is hiding behind Russian symbolism, has it become Russified or something?
            1. afire
              afire 21 August 2013 22: 09 New
              +2
              I sent you my coordinates in PM, I hope to see here a refutation of your vlrosch statement about me
            2. Mairos
              Mairos 22 August 2013 12: 15 New
              0
              You shouldn’t be so. Afire sincerely worries about both Russia and the Russians. Just .. well, it is expressed in a one-sided self-flagellation.)) He locked himself in the negative, unfortunately.
      2. Nikaviz
        Nikaviz 21 August 2013 18: 43 New
        +9
        And where do you see "Russian officials ...." !!!! ??? Where there are children and money, there is their world. hi
    2. Mcsim
      Mcsim 22 August 2013 01: 16 New
      +4
      Chechnya, during an election vote, gives over 90% of the required votes to the Kremlin.
      Hence all the concessions.
  • leon-iv
    leon-iv 21 August 2013 15: 14 New
    14
    I myself voted for Mamaev Kurgan and Motherland.
  • Yoke
    Yoke 21 August 2013 15: 15 New
    32
    and here I am from Kolomna, my grandmother is from Bogoroditsk. It was very nice to see and feel that your small Motherland is becoming the new symbols of Russia. And then this mosque suddenly appeared ... At first he laughed to himself, like "they will choose a mosque with our new symbol." Che is not laughing already (
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 19 New
    +6
    Voted 3 times for the Kremlin. I myself also prefer the motherland, but from the principle that there is no tolerance, what kind of word is.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 August 2013 15: 23 New
    14
    Stupid is the election. A country as large as Russia cannot have one symbol. I have nothing against the Kolomna Kremlin, the Mamayev Kurgan, the statue of Motherland (which, incidentally, is in a very poor state with the threat of collapse), or the brand-new Chechen mosque. But at the same time, it is much more likely to name at least 100 places at least that could become national symbols - along with others, and not the first among equal.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 21 August 2013 15: 24 New
    12
    It’s unclean here that something is clear with these voting ..
    The cost of voting for the same mosque “Heart of Chechnya” is 3 rubles with copecks (it differs depending on the telephone service provider).
    This is the whole point .. Ramzan did not stint clearly ..
    1. stroporez
      stroporez 21 August 2013 16: 05 New
      +9
      Quote: MIKHAN
      ..Ramzan did not stint obviously ..
      but why should he skimp ?????? babosy end (sho is not likely in itself) he still requires from Vova .......
    2. alone
      alone 21 August 2013 18: 42 New
      10
      not ramzan stint, money from the Russian budget, which is transferred to the budget of Chechnya, and then pocketed)) the cost of Kadyrov’s motorcade is more than the budget of any Russian region)))
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 21 New
        +5
        Quote: lonely
        the cost of Kadyrov’s motorcade is greater than the budget of any Russian region)))

        Yes, there is no countryman, here the Russian bureaucrats are not inferior to him, the only difference is that Ramzan is doing too much to show, but these are not showing off so that's all))
        1. alone
          alone 21 August 2013 22: 28 New
          +6
          right, the roof is his Putin)))
  • Warrawar
    Warrawar 21 August 2013 15: 28 New
    24
    Sadly that's all. Now there are a lot of "Eurasians" who say that there is no Russian people, but only some kind of mythical "Russian, imperial ideology" or something like that.
    But the Russian people exist, exist as an ethnic group and as a cultural and ideological phenomenon. But the fact that the Russian people do not have their own land and their own country is true.
    The current Russian Federation consists of national republics, among which there is more than one Russian. It turns out that the Russian people are a kind of “guest” in a foreign land, from which they will be torn out at the first opportunity, by analogy with the scenario with the Caucasus (Grozny is a Russian city built by General Yermolov).
    And the Russian Federation itself is hardly like a state. Rather, it is like a courtyard filled with random people who see each other for the first and last time and are not obliged to each other.
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 21 August 2013 15: 30 New
    +4
    Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 21 August 2013 15: 33 New
      28
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque

      Russians didn’t choose ... Russians in general, by and large, didn’t care about what kind of contest there was (the majority are sure that they didn’t even hear about it). But the Chechens have a sore point, they are not busy with anything else but to vote for their favorite mosque, and with Russian money sent to them in the form of subsidies.
      1. Ruswolf
        Ruswolf 21 August 2013 15: 52 New
        12
        Quote: Warrawar
        Russians didn’t choose ... Russians in general, by and large, didn’t care

        Most likely it’s all the same, and the Russian people do not divide their country according to some cultural values. For a truly Russian, Russia is one and all that there is is perfect and admirable!
        (I do not mean politicians - here we only shudder and do not stop wondering)
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 06 New
          12
          Quote: Ruswolf
          Most likely it doesn't matter

          I do not care, I vote every day in this contest.

          Quote: Ruswolf
          . For a truly Russian, Russia is one and all that there is is perfect and admirable!

          For me this is no longer the case. Perhaps I would admire the whole of Russia, perhaps even the same mosque of A. Kadyrov. If I hadn’t seen numerous examples of the swine / inhuman behavior of the nationalities that represent this same mosque (and all other mosques).
          So at the moment, some parts of Russia disgust me.
          1. Ruswolf
            Ruswolf 21 August 2013 17: 15 New
            +7
            Do you know! No wonder!
            After all, even our nationality Russianreplaced with a residence permit - citizen of the Russian Federation
            So that we have a little more rights than gastrobayter.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 23 New
              -9
              Quote: Ruswolf
              So that we have a little more rights than gastrobayter.

              What are you whiners who like to translate arrows, they have fewer rights than migrant workers fool
            2. Very old
              Very old 21 August 2013 21: 46 New
              +5
              "citizen of the Russian Federation" - another invention of the liberal democrats - we are made of those same "Ivanes who do not remember kinship." We will not forget!
          2. Setrac
            Setrac 21 August 2013 18: 00 New
            -3
            Quote: Warrawar
            If I hadn’t seen numerous examples of the swine / inhuman behavior of the nationalities that represent this same mosque (and all other mosques).
            So at the moment, some parts of Russia disgust me.

            Such phenomena as organized crime, washing and drinking dough, "swine behavior" is characteristic of all peoples, and not just Chechens.
        2. Very old
          Very old 21 August 2013 21: 43 New
          0
          Greetings to you, Alex. I share your opinion, but not to divide Russia into pieces, this is the 1st, this is the 2nd, and this is not in any place. ONE and INDIVIDUAL - and forever and ever!
      2. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 21 August 2013 16: 54 New
        +8
        they have in Chechnya and Putin voted more than 100%
      3. ksan
        ksan 21 August 2013 19: 01 New
        0
        I agree, there have spread a snot, "offended" by the Chechens, the authorities and Putin in particular. So take and vote. It’s just for everyone, but the Chechens don’t, for them it’s a fix idea. That's why there are so many votes.
      4. Very old
        Very old 21 August 2013 21: 37 New
        +5
        Dear Vladislav, inventions of T. Channel-2 ordinary idiocy. That invented the names of Russia, then here's a new project for you. How can the GREAT COUNTRY select 10 (ten) characters? The inventors - put in a common carriage and ride from St. Petersburg to Vladik-bitch children, take a look: Valdai, Volga, Kazan, Ufa, Perm, ......... further Siberia and Amur ..... to Baikal and Great The ocean. What URODs came up with this? And what did they think when they proposed to name NAMES of Russia? I can name 10, 100, 1000 and 1 names. But I will never say which one is more dear to me. I cherish RUSSIA
    2. treskoed
      treskoed 21 August 2013 16: 39 New
      +6
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque

      And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 58 New
        -1
        As far as I know, 2 mosques in Moscow, there were about 50 thousand Muslims in Uzuyram Bayram. For a long time I was persuaded by this, as over 12 million Russians were afraid of the 50 thousandth crowd.
        1. Very old
          Very old 21 August 2013 21: 51 New
          +2
          And huli did you steal? In Moscow, Russian on a Muslim with a scalpel will not go
        2. Mairos
          Mairos 22 August 2013 13: 08 New
          +1
          Sunrise, well you are hot))
          Firstly, no one was scared.
          Secondly, where did you see 12 million Russians in Moscow?
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: treskoed
        And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?

        Well, how much did they build ?? Enlighten.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 21 August 2013 20: 07 New
          +2
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          In Moscow, as far as I know, 2 mosques

          Quote: Yeraz
          Well, how much did they build ?? Enlighten

          There are currently six mosques in Moscow. It is planned to build two more names of Shamil and Kadyrov.
          1. Very old
            Very old 21 August 2013 21: 54 New
            +3
            Nicholas, and who wondered, how many churches were destroyed in Serbia, the Caucasus and most recently in Egypt
      3. zennon
        zennon 21 August 2013 20: 03 New
        +5
        And in Moscow, how many mosques have been set up in recent years! Who, with what permission, for whom?

        Yes, anyone:
        According to the Russian Muftis Council (CMR), the king of Saudi Arabia has launched an initiative to build a mosque and Islamic cultural center in Moscow. The Russian Muftis Council welcomed the initiative to build a mosque.

        Why permission?
        Anton Paleyev, chairman of the commission for public associations and religious organizations of the Moscow City Duma, confirmed that in Moscow there is a need for churches, including mosques.

        For whom?
    3. shasherin_pavel
      shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 47 New
      +3
      Of the Russian Orthodox, only 15 percent go to church, and only 2 percent take part in all services. Most Russians only come to church for Christmas, baptism, and Easter. And on the Trinity everyone runs to the cemetery, although there is Parent Saturday for this.
      1. Very old
        Very old 21 August 2013 21: 56 New
        +2
        Russian people do not stick out religiosity. Islam educates ... otherwise Do you know how?
    4. vlum
      vlum 21 August 2013 22: 27 New
      +1
      Generally speaking, any mass event of this kind - it is "vote, do not vote - you still get ..."

      When such media gadgets are used in the interests of show business, then all the results, regardless of the person of the particular winning showman, focus on the money earned during the voting process. Just before this contest, there were successful First Channel projects, with the declared write-off of all income from SMS to charity.

      But in this competition, the goal is to demonstrate what ?! Indeed, the thought comes of some kind of destructiveness of the idea of ​​putting up something that is very fraught with ... a kind of veiled provocation.
    5. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 22 August 2013 10: 37 New
      0
      Quote: ivshubarin
      Strange, 80% of the population in Russia, Russians and chose a mosque


      I don’t think they’ve chosen, just people don’t vote, and the “Czechs” vote forcibly - their “god” Ramzan politely asked. "One can’t ignore their herd national identity and mountain megalomania. Russian TV channels should call on Russians to vote and the problem will be solved in a week.
  • Maks111
    Maks111 21 August 2013 15: 36 New
    +3
    Now let’s do it without hysteria. Good? Themselves for Putin and United Russia so now and don’t complain. As they sing on the first channel: “Come on Russia, come on, come on! Come on beautifully! “And the most interesting thing is that the man in whose honor the mosque is named called for the killing of Russians, and the mosque was built with Russian money. Well, if this does not awaken us as a nation, it is worthless to the Russians as a nation.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 21 August 2013 16: 05 New
      +9
      I did not vote for Putin and Edro. Voted for the Communists. All my relatives and friends too. As a result, Edru just voiced the wind.
      I live in the Volgograd region - the most disadvantaged region of Russia. Small salaries, huge prices, complete lack of rights.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez 21 August 2013 16: 12 New
        +7
        it is. almost all my life I lived in Yamal, I just moved to the Volgograd region. something is not clear ----- salaries - once in a tavern go to the menu to look, and prices are the same as in Yamal ..... ..
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 21 August 2013 16: 23 New
          +2
          But in the Caucasus emit a lot of dough.
          1. shasherin_pavel
            shasherin_pavel 21 August 2013 19: 51 New
            +3
            Allocated 38 billion to Chechnya. To repair the Bolshoi Theater 58 billion. It is necessary to steal less from the homeland.
      2. soldier's grandson
        soldier's grandson 21 August 2013 16: 55 New
        +1
        I am also against edra and Putin, I am for the Communist Party
  • Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 21 August 2013 15: 36 New
    22
    Tolerance rotten the phenomenon is not born today. It used to be called internationalism. And the tsar openly distributed privileges to the nationalities of Finland, Poland, the Baltic states, Caucasians, and Central Asians.
    To the detriment of his people. It's time to understand that strangers from their concessions will not become their own, but will only become impudent.
  • Stiletto
    Stiletto 21 August 2013 15: 38 New
    14
    Quote: Warrawar
    The current Russian Federation consists of national republics, among which there is more than one Russian.


    I do not agree, do not humiliate yourself in public. Tver, Ryazan, Rostov, Kostroma, Kaluga, Bryansk, Tula, Oryol, Belgorod, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Novgorod, Smolensk, Pskov, Yaroslavl, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Vologda, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk - continue the list - these are all Russian lands, and they are no less and no weaker than the republics of which you speak.
    Russians are divided - this is the main problem. What happens when we unite in the name of a common goal, I think everyone is in the know.
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 21 August 2013 15: 41 New
      10
      Quote: Stiletto
      I do not agree, do not humiliate yourself in public. Tver, Ryazan, Rostov, Kostroma, Kaluga, Bryansk, Tula, Oryol, Belgorod, Arkhangelsk, Murmansk, Novgorod, Smolensk, Pskov, Yaroslavl, Vladimir, Ivanovo, Vologda, Omsk, Tomsk, Novosibirsk - continue the list - these are all Russian lands, and they are no less and no weaker than the republics of which you speak.
      Russians are divided - this is the main problem. What happens when we unite in the name of a common goal, I think everyone is in the know.

      You forgot Moscow and Peter))
      And you didn’t quite catch my thought - I understand that all these cities that you have listed are Russian. But this is not documented where it is not fixed. But nat. republics, on the contrary, are officially considered ethnic reserves.
      1. Stiletto
        Stiletto 21 August 2013 15: 57 New
        10
        You forgot Moscow and Peter))

        No, I have not forgotten. Otherwise, they will object to me with a well-known joke:
        -Girl, are you a native Muscovite?
        -Well, of course!
        -And where did they come to Moscow?

        Unfortunately, the beloved city is increasingly turning into Moskabbad ... Alas.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 11 New
          +9
          Quote: Stiletto
          You forgot Moscow and Peter))

          No, I have not forgotten. Otherwise, they will object to me with a well-known joke:
          -Girl, are you a native Muscovite?
          -Well, of course!
          -And where did they come to Moscow?

          Unfortunately, the beloved city is increasingly turning into Moskabbad ... Alas.

          Understand this and the whole subtlety. Today you do not call Moscow and St. Petersburg Russian cities, but you call them masquabad and Leninbad. And tomorrow, by the same principle, agree with the names: Novosibirskobad, Pskov-aul, Vladimir-Saray, Arkhangelsk-Uryuk, Yaroslavl-Halal and so on.
          1. Stiletto
            Stiletto 21 August 2013 16: 15 New
            +2
            [/ Quote]
            Understand this and the whole subtlety. Today you do not call Moscow and St. Petersburg Russian cities, but you call them masquabad and Leninbad. And tomorrow, by the same principle, agree with the names: Novosibirskobad, Pskov-aul, Vladimir-saray, Ivanovobad, Yaroslavl-halal and so on. [/ Quote]

            You know, I can not argue anything in this place, you are certainly right ... unfortunately. And there is.
            1. Warrawar
              Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: Stiletto
              You know, I can not argue anything in this place, you are certainly right ... unfortunately. And there is.

              By the way, according to Wikipedia, 91% of the population of Moscow and 92% of the population of St. Petersburg are Russians, but this is true without regard to illegal migrants.

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
              %B5_%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B2%D1%8B#.D0.9D.D0.B0.D1.86.D0.B8.D0.BE.D0.BD.D0
              .B0.D0.BB.D1.8C.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B9_.D1.81.D0.BE.D1.81.D1.82.D0.B0.D0.B2

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0
              %B5_%D0%A1%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BA%D1%82-%D0%9F%D0%B5%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B1%D1%83%D1
              %80%D0%B3%D0%B0
    2. makst83
      makst83 21 August 2013 16: 24 New
      +5
      Forgive me dear, and Perm and Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk where to go, but these are three cities of a millionaire in the Urals, with the vast majority of the Russian population !?
      1. Warrawar
        Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 28 New
        +3
        Quote: makst83
        Forgive me dear, and Perm and Yekaterinburg, Chelyabinsk where to go, but these are three cities of a millionaire in the Urals, with the vast majority of the Russian population !?

        Yes, he just did not begin to list everything) But the idea is perfectly clear ... It is necessary to hold on, by all limbs, to the Russian name and in no case do not let it go.
        1. Zhenya
          Zhenya 21 August 2013 16: 33 New
          +5
          makst83 Do not panic, even though I live in my garbage dump, which over the course of 20 years has been turned into Babylon under the name Moscow, I know very well where Russians live and in general the Russian Federation - this is the Russian state. So fasten yourself, I'm morally with you!
    3. Nikaviz
      Nikaviz 21 August 2013 18: 48 New
      0
      Rake ALL in full ..... laughing
    4. Mairos
      Mairos 22 August 2013 13: 12 New
      0
      Gold words! +
  • Asgard
    Asgard 21 August 2013 15: 38 New
    14
    The Kolomna Kremlin is still history ...
    A beautiful Mosque is a remake of the whole of Russia and it is deeply ...
    Here is the Christ Church built by Turks and Jews in the heart of Russia in the city of Moscow, none of the Russian People seeks to be called a symbol of the Great Country ....
    Since basically, our people are adequate and call things by their "names" ....

    Yesterday I was in Moscow, went to the city hall, neighing, officials of the Moscow Mayor called the Russians Sobyanin for the eyes- "reindeer herder"))))
    1. Normal
      Normal 21 August 2013 22: 25 New
      +2
      Quote: Asgard
      officials of the Mayor of Moscow Russians Sobyanin called for the eyes- "reindeer herder"))))

      Yes, everyone in Moscow calls it a "reindeer herder"
  • shinobi
    shinobi 21 August 2013 15: 38 New
    11
    Our local riot police, in a narrow circle, have long been saying that a third Chechen is inevitable. Kadyrovtsy will catch up with all the other clans. And we will have to rake, once again.
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 52 New
      +1
      is everything so bad?
    2. stroporez
      stroporez 21 August 2013 16: 15 New
      -1
      that's why they are “fighting” for demography. Schaub was someone to throw in a meat grinder ...........
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 21 August 2013 19: 39 New
        +4
        -Not ... They’re not fighting already ... The Ministry of Finance is going to abolish maternity capital ... Like, they’ve "reborn" ...
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 21 August 2013 22: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: shinobi
      Kadyrovtsy with all the other clans will seize.

      Rather, they would be mutually annihilated.
      1. Very old
        Very old 22 August 2013 02: 38 New
        +1
        But derjmo raking us all the same
    4. volkodav
      volkodav 22 August 2013 10: 13 New
      0
      Yes, they have been talking about this since 2010, when he came to Chechnya there everyone spoke about it, they called it spring 2014, they’ll hold the Olympics and the terrible to put into ruins, and level the mountains with tracks
  • Gayka
    Gayka 21 August 2013 15: 39 New
    +6
    In the conditions of this competition it is indicated, I quote further: "10 leaders of the final are not ranked. During the final there will be no first or tenth places, only a dozen leaders and twenty pursuers." Nevertheless, I myself am unpleasant from the principle of seeing the mosque in the first place. Well, there should not be such a symbol in the Orthodox state, although I personally think that it is better not to interfere with religious aspects in such matters. We have Mamaev Kurgan, Baikal and many more objects to be proud of. I myself vote for the Kolomna Kremlin, since other objects objectively no longer catch up with the leaders. Only you and I can change the combination in leadership, there is no one else. We vote from working computers, home, from the mobile Internet, and by common forces restore justice. At least let's hope so.
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  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 21 August 2013 15: 40 New
    -14
    What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
    Regarding the contest, it’s not just who won the first place that symbol of RUSSIA, but the point is that who will enter the top ten will become symbols of Russia and will be installed in this park. it doesn’t make sense what kind of places they will take, are they already symbols? But simply, the hostility is so great that here the principle arose for first place and it immediately becomes clear that most ordinary citizens don’t even consider some parts of the territory of the Russian Federation part of Russia nor its population, which was clearly shown by this vote.
    Personally, I voted for the Mosque, an insanely beautiful and bewitching structure.
    It would just be possible to stop at 10, and not arrange additional races for a meaningless first place.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 21 August 2013 15: 48 New
      16
      The Russian people do not have their own state. The German constitution says that Germany is a state of the German people, first of all, in Israel, that it is a state of the priestly people.
      There is nothing about the Russian Constitution Russian peoplebut there is about multinational Russian people. What is x. h. Chechens, Dagestanis, migrants from Central Asia, who received Ros citizenship.
      1. Zhenya
        Zhenya 21 August 2013 15: 56 New
        +4
        KibalchishWhat do you explain to him, he is not Russian. Probably a Chechen.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 27 New
          -1
          Quote: Marrying
          What do you explain to him, he is not Russian

          good
          Quote: Marrying
          Probably a Chechen.

          laughing
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 21 August 2013 21: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            What do you explain to him, he is not Russian

            laughing


            Yes, he’s all in a drum. laughing these are the ones who judge ethnic issues)))) plant ... evict .... kill ...))
            of Russia


            and we need good nat.spets who are versed in national politics, such as, for example, the late Polyanichko .... hi
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 21 August 2013 23: 03 New
          +3
          Quote: Marrying
          KibalchishWhat do you explain to him, he is not Russian. Probably a Chechen.

          Even I, though long ago in America, know what Yeraz means Yerevansky IAzerbaijanian (not that I had anything against Azerbaijanis in general and Yerevan in particular - they did nothing wrong with me, well, the truth is nothing good either).
      2. Warrawar
        Warrawar 21 August 2013 15: 59 New
        +8
        Quote: Kibalchish
        The Russian Constitution does not mean anything about the Russian people, but there is something about the multinational Russian people. What is this x. h. Chechens, Dagestanis, migrants from Central Asia, who received Ros citizenship.

        Yes it is. The people of Russia are "Russians." It’s just so convenient for the government. But Russians, on the contrary, are uncomfortable for them, because they have very high requests and ask too many questions.
        The idea of ​​our leadership is to spawn as many “Russians” as possible - by importing tens of millions of Asians. And on the other hand, get rid of the Russians.
      3. Varnaga
        Varnaga 21 August 2013 17: 00 New
        0
        history teachers, according to the census in Russia before the revolution, not a single person called himself Russian, namely a Russian
    2. Normal
      Normal 21 August 2013 22: 51 New
      +3
      Quote: Yeraz
      nat, hostility is so great that here the principle arose for the first place and it immediately becomes clear that most ordinary citizens don’t consider some parts of the territory of the Russian Federation as either a part of Russia or its population,

      Dear foreigner, I'm sorry, but I do not know your nationality. You live in the Russian city of St. Petersburg, the capital of the empire built on the bones of Russian people. Why on earth are you joking about Russian problems? You write with difficulty in Russian, but you have the audacity to teach Russians in their own land. The point is not that most ordinary citizens do not consider some parts of the Russian Federation to be part of Russia. The fact is that the way it is. The title peoples of the National Republics, especially the North Caucasus, are not Russian. They associate themselves with Russia only when money is needed from the budget of the Russian Federation, or when it is profitable. For example, you can come to any Russian city and settle there, and in case of problems with the law, hide in the Caucasus. Very comfortably. In Russia, you are Russians before the law, and in relations with Russians you immediately become Chechens or Dagestanis (no matter what nationality).
      The problem is that it is you (or your fellow tribesmen and fellow believers) who consider Russia part of Chechnya or Dagestan, part of the Caucasus, conquered part.
      Be more modest, maybe this will help you in the future.
      1. Very old
        Very old 22 August 2013 02: 41 New
        +1
        Do not be so naive, Vladimir. WILL NOT HELP
      2. Yeraz
        Yeraz 22 August 2013 11: 04 New
        +3
        Quote: Normal
        Why on earth are you joking about Russian problems?

        Where did you see the banter? I only state the facts.
        Quote: Normal
        You can hardly write Russian, but you have the audacity to teach Russians in their own land

        Come on, straight with difficulty, the fact that I have some errors here is connected with the fact that I'm sitting through a tablet and it mixes or eats letters in its mind.
        Regarding the teachings. I live in this country and these problems also concern me as a citizen and resident of this country. And on this site it is not forbidden to write to people of non-Russian nationality.
        I already wrote about the problem. I know you very well, because I live in the Russian society and come from the Caucasus. That you yourself let them behave your problem this way. I already said how to react, but if it's easier for you to endure whining on the Internet and blaming power is your business. I’m not touched, in the area we are all friends and if I pull out a knife and don’t whine.
        1. Normal
          Normal 22 August 2013 13: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Yeraz
          Where did you see the banter? I only state the facts.

          Please:
          What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
          One banter and no facts.

          Quote: Yeraz
          Come on, straight with difficulty, the fact that I have some errors here is connected with the fact that I'm sitting through a tablet and it mixes or eats letters in its mind.


          I apologize. I thought it was not a knowledge of the language. There is such a problem with the tablet.

          Quote: Yeraz
          Regarding the lecture, I live in this country and these problems also concern me as a citizen and resident thiscountry.....
          Everything will just be boiling for me, I’ll leave for Azerbaijan or Turkey.

          That’s the difference. I live in of Russia, not in "this country "
          and in case of boil, I’m not where to run. I have neither Turkey nor Azerbaijan.
          Therefore, everyone who lives in "this country "only because it is profitable or just convenient, and if something just leaves, I refuse the right to teach me Russian, how I can assess the situation of Russians in Russia.
          Quote: Yeraz
          .Me will not be touched, in the area we are friends and if I pull out a knife and I will not whine.

          Sure, not a problem. They will come from another area. But the fact is that I am with a knife. But if I pull out the knife, I will answer before the law and society will not be on my side, but on the side of the law. And if the Caucasian has a knife, then his community will always be on his side, and not on the side of the law. Do you understand the difference?
          If I demand compliance with the law, recognition of Russia as the state of Russians, and cessation of the indulgence of power in relation to Caucasians, this does not mean that I am aching. I defend my legal rights and interests, I am Russian in Russia and I have no other country. The fact that I, so far, am trying to do this peacefully and law-abiding still does not mean anything; Russian patience is known. And the fact that you claim that I am aching is banter. You perfectly understand that in this case, the Russians and Caucasians are not equal before the Russian authorities and openly scoff at the Russians. When you have to flee to Azerbaijan, remember this conversation.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz 22 August 2013 14: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Normal
            Please:
            What does it mean that the Russian people do not have their own land ??? ?
            One banter and no facts.

            where did you see the banter there ??? I said that it will change from the fact that the Russian provinces with the Russian population are liquidated and unite into one province called RUS?
            Quote: Normal
            Therefore, to everyone who lives in "this country" only because it is profitable or just convenient, and if something just leaves, I refuse the right to teach me Russian, how I can assess the situation of Russians in Russia.

            I’m here because my relatives have been here for a long time. And I’ll leave, and you suggest, when there will be a national explosion, the Russian nationalists will go to blame everyone and wait for me to come ??? one person.
            Quote: Normal
            But if I pull out the knife, I will answer before the law and society will not be on my side, but on the side of the law. And if the Caucasian has a knife, then his community will always be on his side, and not on the side of the law. Do you understand the difference?

            I don’t know what you mean. But if I just kill someone, rape someone, I will answer in this life not to the law and society, but to my family. My father will kill me personally. But if I was both the law and the norm are right. the health service will be on my side. BUT !! now in Russia there is such a situation that they are not looking at the deed. And ON THE SURNAME and proceed from this !!!
            Quote: Normal
            If I demand compliance with the law, recognition of Russia as the state of Russians, and cessation of the indulgence of power in relation to Caucasians, this does not mean that I am aching. I defend my legal rights and interests, I am Russian in Russia and I have no other country. The fact that I, so far, am trying to do this peacefully and law-abiding still does not mean anything; Russian patience is known. And the fact that you claim that I am aching is banter. You perfectly understand that in this case, the Russians and Caucasians are not equal before the Russian authorities and openly scoff at the Russians. When you have to flee to Azerbaijan, remember this conversation.

            then deal with your power, if you chose it. But all the dogs are let down on non-Russians. If the state does nothing, calm yourself, BUT you are busy whining the state, it's guilty and we won’t give an answer to the Caucasians, they say state on the side of the Caucasians, one excuses. Whoever has the money is right. 282 poor people will commit a crime 2 Caucasian, the other Russian will bend both, and will not make indulgence. The system is corrupt, and not that the system fell in love with Caucasians.
            I’ll leave, but in this bloody mess with enormous human sacrifice you will remain, not me.
            1. Normal
              Normal 22 August 2013 19: 07 New
              +2
              Quote: Yeraz
              I'll leave

              I served in Kirovabad. Somehow, in order to get acquainted with the army service, a group of young Azerbaijanis was brought to the unit. They showed them the location, dining room, military equipment, drove on the parade ground and acquainted with small arms. Then the conversation "heart to heart". And the time was Soviet, pre-conscripts to us, demobilization, not competitors therefore spoke on equal terms and without a national context. It was just interesting to us; how do you live, what are you going to do in life, how do you look at the future? Of the 20 young people, 18 said they were going to leave for Russia, Moscow and Leningrad. We, two Russians and one Ukrainian, were very surprised. To Russia from Azerbaijan? Yes, here is your Homeland, your ancestors here, they live here not according to the Soviet, but according to your concepts and rules, the heat and grapes grow here, in the end. Here the truth of life was explained to us.
              “What are we going to do here?” Here they have (they nod for two not going to leave) one dad has a market director, and the other dad has his own shop (Soviet times, but they turned a blind eye to the national characteristics of the trading nation) They have already been arranged in life, but we don’t have anything in Azerbaijan shines.
              - But in Moscow they don’t like visitors, they don’t like their own limiters, and only Caucasians ...
              - Uh! How ne love? I was in Moscow - I got lost. He went to the policeman to ask for directions, so he told me HONOR GIVEN! and for 15 minutes he explained how and on what I should go, var! Try you to approach our policeman ...
              Then I remembered with what kind of conceit and aplomb I answered the phone of the warehouse: “Warrant Officer Veliev is listening”, as if he was not a warrant officer, but the lieutenant general at least was forced to agree.
              Why am I all this? And to that:
              . Whoever has the money is right. 2 poor people will commit a crime 1 Caucasian, the other Russian will bend both, and will not make indulgence. The system is corrupt, and not that the system has fallen in love with Caucasians.
              The system is not corrupt in itself. Corruption in the Caucasus historically exceeded many times that in Russia. And it is you who drag your traditions of bribing power from the Caucasus to Russia. And do not lie that both scumbags are bent, you will try to buy your scumbag in any case, whatever he does because it is YOUR scumbag. More than once I have seen how Azerbaijanis collect money for the ransom of a poor bezpredelnik in the market. and even more so I don’t have to hang noodles on my ears:
              Quote: Yeraz
              I don’t know what you mean. But if I just kill someone from the bold, I raped someone,

              You all know very well. Can this respected guest from the Caucasus kill someone from the bulldozer? Killed? So did the right thing! why did this Russian fascist look so bad?
              Raped? Yes, she herself raped the six of us! Do not you see she is in a mini skirt!
              Quote: Yeraz
              , I will answer in this life not before the law and society, but before my family.

              In fact of the matter.
              Quote: Yeraz
              my father will kill me with his own hand.

              Enough of lying. For Russian or Russian? Such cases are not known to science.
  • erased
    erased 21 August 2013 15: 44 New
    21
    If it’s still not clear to someone, the Russian Federation has long ceased to belong to the Russians. Russia does not belong to the Russians. Do you remember? And do not ask anymore: where is the power, why are the Russians killed, why are the national authorities released from the police, why can they do anything! Because it wants power! Because she is so profitable! Because this is the will of the world government that the Kremlin is fulfilling.
    The Russians have been given up, they are simply erased. But here's the strange thing - how does the Russian people endure destruction and humiliation so easily and humbly? Here it is necessary to applaud the puppeteers and politicians! Because turning the strongest people in the world into a silent herd is the greatest achievement!
    The next stage is a ban on the presence on the street during prayer for all non-Muslims. Or something like this ...
    1. Warrawar
      Warrawar 21 August 2013 15: 47 New
      +5
      Quote: erased
      . But here's the strange thing - how does the Russian people endure destruction and humiliation so easily and humbly?

      I would not say that the Russian people humbly endure ... Russian patriots are killed without trial or sentenced to long sentences.
      Look for information on the network, you will find a lot of interesting things in this regard.
      1. erased
        erased 21 August 2013 15: 52 New
        +6
        But the meaning is the same - Russians are simply being destroyed.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 07 New
          +3
          Quote: erased
          But the meaning is the same - Russians are simply being destroyed.

          Yes, everything is true - they simply destroy it and not otherwise!
    2. Vlada1981
      Vlada1981 22 August 2013 13: 21 New
      0
      absolutely agree with every word!
  • Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 21 August 2013 15: 44 New
    +6
    Quote: Stiletto
    Stupid is the election.

    That's right!
    In Russia, 83 subject, everywhere the population is different, the cost of SMS, too. This can no longer be an equal choice.
    At least a small, autonomous one votes for the mosque - but the republic + a huge number of Muslims, both Russians and not only.
    In my opinion, these elections are needed more likely in order to cut down additional lava from the population.
    For example, 8 million voted for the mosque and the Kremlin; the average price of SMS is 2 for you and 16 grouse, but how many objects are there, many vote more than once, but someone for themselves and that guy.
  • Regis
    Regis 21 August 2013 15: 48 New
    +8
    All this is strange. Just in the place of Muslims, I would vote for the restored Kazan mosque, for history .. But the Chechen is a new building somehow))

    And so of course, if the mind wins, the Motherland of Stalingrad should be a symbol of Russia. Not for architecture, but for what it symbolizes. Like a statue of freedom in America, there is nothing special (architecturally) in it, but nevertheless, it is a symbol of America. Very well chosen by the way.
  • Passer
    Passer 21 August 2013 15: 49 New
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    Let it not be tolerant and let me be clamored, but the greatest architectural monument of the Chechen capital is:

    Well, the railway building train station.
    Although, if Kadyrov erects a monument to a Russian soldier, perhaps I will change my point of view.
    1. alone
      alone 21 August 2013 18: 43 New
      +5
      in 1994, Kadyrov served in Basayev’s headquarters. he does not follow this))
      1. tverskoi77
        tverskoi77 22 August 2013 11: 46 New
        0
        in 1994, Kadyrov served in Basayev’s headquarters. he does not follow this))

        those. we all understand that the Kadyrovs are former militants.
    2. smiths xnumx
      smiths xnumx 22 August 2013 16: 56 New
      0
      Dear Alexander, this is not a railway station, this is the Dudaev Palace, the former building of the Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. destroyed in 1995 as irreparable, in the background on the left is the Kavkaz Hotel, next to the Minutka Square, Otherwise, there is no objection. From me, plus. Yours faithfully! hi
  • Alex66
    Alex66 21 August 2013 15: 52 New
    +6
    The victory technology of the mosque to the limit is simple - paid sms that can be sent in an unlimited number, due to them an advantage, and by free voting on the Internet, where there is a limit of no more than 3 times a day, they are several times behind. EVERYONE MAKES MONEY.
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 21 August 2013 15: 55 New
      +2
      Most likely, they wind it through proxies.
  • Mshir
    Mshir 21 August 2013 15: 55 New
    +7
    "The only thing needed for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing." Edmund Burke (English Edmund Burke; 1729-1797) - English parliamentarian, publicist.
    Just such a contest once again emphasized not the architectural and historical delights created on the territory of our Country, but the degree of organization, unity of this or that people in its composition.
    While the Russian is reflecting on a given topic, the Chechens did what the "elders" said.
    1. Vlada1981
      Vlada1981 22 August 2013 13: 29 New
      0
      the most disgusting thing is that our rulers are driving people to the polls, holding frauds with voting, bribery, and that the Russian people would vote for their symbol not a hint, not a word! tolerance is such an official path to the destruction of independence, traditions and national unity! enemies rule us!
  • Djozz
    Djozz 21 August 2013 16: 09 New
    +3
    If this goes further, then soon (God forbid) we will see St. Basil's Mosque in the center of Moscow. It is high time for the Moscow authorities to start scratching oneself!
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 21 August 2013 16: 19 New
      +4
      There are no Muscovites in Moscow’s power, Sobyanin is from Zapadischensk, but according to polls (which I don’t understand) 70% are for him, although all Muscovites are Muscovites against him.
  • royk
    royk 21 August 2013 16: 12 New
    +4
    Stop it. Do not get into it, why keep an eye on it. They also found me something to worry about. They themselves invented 24 in Russia, now let them relax as they want. I will not creep into this matter. SMS-ki still send ... this is too much.
  • Whole
    Whole 21 August 2013 16: 13 New
    +8
    Come on, Churov smsky recount and win the symbol of what kind of GDP you like
  • 6 sunrise 9
    6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 18 New
    +1
    From the Urals to the Carpathians, a Chechen-Chechen friend and brother, from the Urals to the Carpathians, a Jew-Jewish friend and brother, from the Urals to the Carpathians, Russian-Russian Wolf.

    And what can I say about the article, well done fellows Chechens.
  • goldfinger
    goldfinger 21 August 2013 16: 22 New
    +1
    Not in the know. Do Chechens serve in the army? Not in their special battalions, in my opinion "West" and "East", but the usual Russian army?
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 25 New
      +1
      The Vostok battalion was disbanded by Kadyrov. So yes, they serve in the Russian army. Kvadrov has his own personal guard.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 21 August 2013 17: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: goldfinger
      Not in the know. Do Chechens serve in the army? Not in their special battalions, in my opinion "West" and "East", but the usual Russian army?

      No, they do not serve in the Russian army. Over the years, the command has realized that there are more than benefits for the draft from the Caucasus region.
      1. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 26 New
        0
        There is really no call from Chechnya. But I spoke about the Vostok battalion, whose specialists serve in the Russian army.
  • serge
    serge 21 August 2013 16: 30 New
    11
    The Russian audience in the coffin saw paid contests on any subject. The mosque is a pity, of course, with such a national policy, the third Chechen one is inevitable, during which the missile will certainly hit the mosque.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 41 New
      +6
      Well, the Chechen youth is still denamed, if I start the Chechen problem with Chechnya, there are 2 options to solve, and the 1st does not exclude the 2nd.
      1) The mass genocide of the Chechens, the killing of all at the root.
      2) Evictions outside the Russian Federation to Turkey, for example.
      3) It is possible to impoverish both options in one.

      In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.
      But with the Hanafites, we got along for centuries and there were no problems (Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Circassians, Kabardins, Balkans, etc.)
      1. Essenger
        Essenger 21 August 2013 17: 40 New
        -1
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.

        Where did you perform on the ax?)))
        What does it mean outside the Russian Federation? Give them independence, then you will speak like that.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 21 August 2013 18: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Essenger
          What does it mean outside the Russian Federation? Give them independence, then you will speak like that.

          Well, give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, so as not to produce double standards.
          1. Essenger
            Essenger 21 August 2013 18: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Setrac
            Well, give independence to Northern Kazakhstan, so as not to produce double standards.

            Firstly, no one in Kazakhstan says that it is necessary to evict Russians outside the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            Secondly, I do not see parallels between the autochthonous peoples of the North Caucasus of the Russian Federation and the inhabitants of the ethnic diaspora in the northern regions of the Republic of Kazakhstan.
            1. 6 sunrise 9
              6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 19: 09 New
              +2
              Do Russians resist the tricks that offend the dignity of the Kazakhs? Harut type Russia power-Kazakhs slaves? Are Kazakhs slaughtered / raped / beaten in the cities of Kazakhstan? answer nat, between us dofiga difference.

              We "Russian barbarians when they invaded Kazakh villages", left hospitals, factories, schools, universities behind us. And what did the Dagi, Chechens, and Ingush do?
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 37 New
                +1
                Quote: 6Sunrise9
                We "Russian barbarians when they invaded Kazakh villages", left hospitals, factories, schools, universities behind us. And what did the Dagi, Chechens, and Ingush do?

                Maybe this reckoning for the fact that the Caucasus was conquered by force, but they did not call you to themselves. And they are part of the Russian Federation at the request of the Russian people, who, having laid thousands of soldiers, forcibly left them again. Well, this people does not want to be with the Russian, Are you surprised at their behavior ??
                1. zennon
                  zennon 21 August 2013 21: 55 New
                  +5
                  Maybe this reckoning for the fact that the Caucasus was conquered by force, they did not call you to themselves.

                  No, they didn’t call. They burst into Russian houses and took people into slavery. They traded them. They saw in it the respect and respect for the same as they themselves. They didn’t build anything, they didn’t do anything. Just lived on the raids. Well, when did the Georgians ask under the Russian tsar, there was no way out. It was necessary to protect the Tiflis road from raids.
                  Well, this people does not want to be with Russian ...

                  No, he doesn’t want. He wants to live at the expense of the Russian people.
                  why are you surprised at their behavior?

                  Yes, it’s not their behavior that we are surprised at; it is understandable. Our power is surprising.
                  1. Yeraz
                    Yeraz 21 August 2013 23: 28 New
                    -2
                    Quote: zennon
                    No, they didn’t call. They broke into Russian houses and took people into slavery.

                    Well damn you are kidding ??? In Tsarist Russia where there was serfdom, where people were called souls sold, you gave you still run into them because of this ?????
                    Quote: zennon
                    They didn’t build anything, they didn’t do horseradish. They just lived on raids

                    I already asked 1 time here and not a single one answered. So before the Russians approached the borders of the Caucasus, who was robbed by a bunch of robbers who don’t know anything ????
                    Quote: zennon
                    No, he doesn’t want. He wants to live at the expense of the Russian people.

                    No, he wanted to live separately, it was the Russians who came to the Caucasus, and not vice versa.
                    Quote: zennon
                    Yes, it’s not their behavior that we are surprised at; it is understandable. Our power is surprising.

                    Yes, stop wondering at this power, I do my best. If on the street a person of any nation shows off he will get an answer. It's time to understand this situation is heating up.
                    1. Very old
                      Very old 22 August 2013 02: 49 New
                      +1
                      And you don’t need to ask - you always, at all times, were engaged in robbery, it does not matter who you rob, whether your own or others. And the Russians came to the Caucasus, just tired of your banditry.
                      1. Yeraz
                        Yeraz 22 August 2013 11: 10 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Old very
                        And you don’t need to ask - you always, at all times, were engaged in robbery, it does not matter who you rob, whether your own or others. And the Russians came to the Caucasus, just tired of your banditry.

                        Dumb nationalism.
                        How they robbed their own if they were all robbers, it was necessary to rob those who are developed, produce products. Although to whom I prove, continue in the same vein, then you should go to the Caucasus to pacify, and not to me.
                      2. sleepy
                        sleepy 23 August 2013 03: 32 New
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        "... How did they rob their own, if they were all robbers, it was necessary to rob those who are developed, produce products ...".


                        "... The most robbery is, therefore, for some individuals
                        as if a secondary matter, the motive for the attack is sometimes just an inborn need for daredevil antics, risky ventures, a passion to terrify people. Robbers during their attacks on homes, farms, churches, carriages, mail, trains, etc. usually find concern for their personal safety: one part of the gang robs
                        and kills, another prudently guards nearby ... "
                        Doctor of Medicine E.V. ERICKSON
                        "ABOUT KILLING AND BURNING IN THE CAUCASUS."
                        St. Petersburg, 1906.
                        http://www.xpomo.com/ruskolan/avdeev/arp_kavkaz.htm
            2. Essenger
              Essenger 21 August 2013 19: 56 New
              +5
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              Do Russians resist the tricks that offend the dignity of the Kazakhs? Harut type Russia power-Kazakhs slaves? Are Kazakhs slaughtered / raped / beaten in the cities of Kazakhstan? answer nat, between us dofiga difference.


              In Kazakhstan, criminal reports do not mention the nationality of the criminal at all. For example, man A., 39 years old, committed such a crime, etc. We do not keep statistics about which nation has committed crimes more or less, at least in the media they do not write about this. and this is good.
              1. Pensioner
                Pensioner 22 August 2013 00: 11 New
                +1
                Therefore, they do not write nationality, because basically the Kazakhs themselves commit the crime. And not representatives of other nationalities, of which there are fewer and fewer in Kazakhstan. And if a representative of a different nationality, he suddenly commits a crime, he will be punished by local Kazakhs themselves! Why will the Kazakh media focus on the crimes of these Kazakhs? And therefore, that more crimes are committed by the "titular nation" of Kazakhstan - therefore, in order not to advertise this, the nationality of the offender is not indicated. So there is no need to elevate your national ideological tricks to the rank of pride.
                1. Marek Rozny
                  Marek Rozny 23 August 2013 11: 09 New
                  +2
                  Pensioner, do you have figures on the national composition of convicts in Kazakhstan?
                  Do you have any examples that Kazakhs “punish” on a national basis?
                  I took popcorn, waiting for an answer.
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 23 August 2013 11: 39 New
                    0
                    Marek, don’t swear with a pensioner! What website has become popular! Even old women have their own opinions and want to convey to everyone! I have figured out your life credo.
      2. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 19: 04 New
        +3
        so it was given and what came out of it everyone knows Chechnya became the 2nd Agan, drugs, slave trade, Wahhabism, etc. They are very different from the Tatars or Kazakhs, it’s impossible to live with them.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz 21 August 2013 19: 53 New
      0
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      Well, the Chechen youth is still denamed, if I start the Chechen problem with Chechnya, there are 2 options to solve, and the 1st does not exclude the 2nd.
      1) The mass genocide of the Chechens, the killing of all at the root.
      2) Evictions outside the Russian Federation to Turkey, for example.
      3) It is possible to impoverish both options in one.

      Or maybe option 4 to give them freedom ?? They did not ask to be part of the Russian Federation.
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.

      oh well ... ohh it smelled of fascism.
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      But with the Hanafites, we got along for centuries and there were no problems (Tatars, Bashkirs, Kazakhs, Circassians, Kabardins, Balkans, etc.)

      There were problems with them, but they started to dry up. When they found themselves inside the Russian regions and began to relocate a huge number of Russians and voila a powerful assimilation process. Most Tatars are a copy of the Russians drinking and behaving singly, it's only right now they started to change, the same from Central Asia, Kyrgyz from the north, where there were a bunch of Russians and Kyrgyz from the south, it was heaven and earth, it was very noticeable how they behaved. The northerners are fragmented, like the Russians, and the southerners are more united. So your examples are weak. In these peoples, right now I went process of nationalization.
      1. tilovaykrisa
        tilovaykrisa 21 August 2013 20: 09 New
        +1
        Dear Alibek, the Chechen Republic is the territory of the Russian Federation, mind you, not annexed but included in the Russian Empire, what will happen if some national groups want to secede from Azerbaijan and form autonomies? Will you support them too?
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 August 2013 20: 26 New
          +2
          Quote: tilovaykrisa
          Dear Alibek, the Chechen Republic is the territory of the Russian Federation, mind you, not annexed but included in the Russian Empire, what will happen if some national groups want to secede from Azerbaijan and form autonomies? Will you support them too?

          Dear I have already said here, the root of the problem lies in the inaction of the authorities and the people themselves !!!
          The Caucasus was conquered, it didn’t enter voluntarily, how much blood was spilled, but recently the recent wars and constant terrorist attacks ended, they hold huge units in a small area. Comparing with Azerbaijan is inappropriate. The Chechens, unlike the Russian brothers, believe us, too, when we they were sheltered, they began to rage in Baku, download the rights that they did, gathered those who are bullied, and not those who behave normally, gave them everything. Quiet and smooth, thanks brother for the shelter, nothing brother. The topic is closed. On the contrary, Russia suffers people, relying on the state, but it’s time to understand the pancake by ourselves.
          I’m for separation, when they start telling them to evict them all from their native land or to make genocide. Forcibly joined, please be kind enough to get along. You can’t let go.
          1. zennon
            zennon 21 August 2013 20: 33 New
            +1
            Can't let it go.

            I fully support!
          2. 6 sunrise 9
            6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 20: 47 New
            +1
            In general, go on this site, look at the persecution of Christians in countries where the Sharia law (tobish of Allah) is established and say is fascism? After separation, Chechnya will turn into avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 August 2013 21: 37 New
              +3
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              In general, go on this site, look at the persecution of Christians in countries where the Sharia law (tobish of Allah) is established and say is fascism? After separation, Chechnya will turn into avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.

              This is nonsense. Alibek cited a thousand references. Forcibly translating it into Islam is the greatest haram, just attacking purely because of a different faith, too, and if this happens simply because it is a different faith it is fascism, not Islam.
              Quote: 6Sunrise9
              After separation, the liver will turn into an avgan; I don’t need Wahhabis in the Stavropol region.

              Well, it will turn out and what ?? here then you can justify violence against them, as an aggressor invading foreign lands, but when this is done, when they are full citizens and are part of Russia, this is fascism.
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          3. tilovaykrisa
            tilovaykrisa 21 August 2013 20: 49 New
            +4
            Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, also thought that they were one people, and now Shiites, Sunites, Alawites, Berbers, etc. everyone wants to grab a piece of their independence, that's what I talked about. Release the Caucasus? how do you imagine it physically? Give independence, introduce a visa regime, and who will work there? What will start as soon as in Baku and they will begin to extract oil? And then where should we put their “Elite" out? Since letting go of them all together as they say. You will learn how the Chechens hunted for centuries, how did they get bread? And they will do the same, and what shall we do then?
          4. Revolver
            Revolver 21 August 2013 23: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Yeraz
            Forcibly joined, please get along. You can’t let go.

            You must not let go. It will be like under Shamil’s raids in the Stavropol region, it’s okay to only steal cattle, because they will also capture slaves. And pursue across the border - the UN cry will raise, saying no way, violation of sovereignty.
            1. Very old
              Very old 22 August 2013 02: 55 New
              0
              Nagan, because this is an eternal craft. How to refuse it
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz 22 August 2013 10: 51 New
              +2
              Quote: Nagan
              You must not let go. It will be like under Shamil’s raids in the Stavropol region, it’s okay to only steal cattle, because they will also capture slaves. And pursue across the border - the UN cry will raise, saying no way, violation of sovereignty.

              Come on ???? Or maybe you’ll act like Israel when they started a war because of 2 soldiers. As if now they can’t do anything and get into their own republic, where no one can stick their nose except Putin .
              1. Day 11
                Day 11 22 August 2013 11: 35 New
                0
                As for Israel, it’s not a correct comparison. They are a very small mono-national country that dictates to the whole world. They can afford (to maintain the level) to get into the war because of one corporal. We have not yet grown to such a level
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz 22 August 2013 12: 25 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Den 11
                  They are a very small mono-national country that dictates to the whole world. They can afford (to maintain a level) to get into the war because of one corporal. We have not yet grown to such a level

                  Ie Russia is weaker than Israel ???
                  Well, excuse me, but going to this site has a feeling that you are a super duper superpower of all the planets. Somehow it does not fit together ...
                  1. Day 11
                    Day 11 22 August 2013 12: 42 New
                    0
                    Russia is MUCH more complicated !!! They want to ruin us, this is a fact! They need our resources, this is a fact !!! How to do this? You are not a stupid person, you will understand
                2. Revolver
                  Revolver 23 August 2013 01: 05 New
                  0
                  Quote: Den 11
                  They are very small
                  Right. At the same time, Arabs, with rather active support from the USSR / Russia, are still trying to reduce, preferably (Arabs, not me) to zero
                  Quote: Den 11
                  mono-national country
                  in which every fifth is an Arab. Somehow a bit too much national minorities for a mono-ethnic country.
                  Quote: Den 11
                  dictates to the whole world.
                  Only in your imagination. Without going into details, if they really dictated, they would have long dictated the world on their own terms.
                  Quote: Den 11
                  They can afford (to maintain the level) to get into the war because of one corporal.
                  Forced, because the Arabs understand and respect only power. To let them insolence means provoking them to new tricks. Better let them fear and respect, because love from them still can not be achieved.
                  Quote: Den 11
                  We have not yet grown to such a level
                  So grow, and the faster the better. With such a good neighbor as China, a strong Russia is not a luxury, but a necessary condition for survival as a nation.
          5. Very old
            Very old 22 August 2013 02: 53 New
            +1
            Yes of course. Without Russia, you will be the province of Persia. And what is the attitude of Azerbaijanis in modern Iran?
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 22 August 2013 11: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: Old very
              Yes of course. Without Russia, you will be the province of Persia.

              oh well ?? Is not too high an opinion of yourself ??
              Quote: Old very
              And what is the attitude of Azerbaijanis in modern Iran?

              Well, look who the head of the government and the general staff will understand. There is only a language problem, they will not be trained in it. And Iran would have a terrible dream that 30 million secular nationalistic Azerbaijan will join the 10 million Azerbaijani community, it will blow Iran.
          6. Pensioner
            Pensioner 22 August 2013 03: 19 New
            +3
            Actually, you’re right that the Russian people will have enough to endure. The Russian people are very kind and patient. But the same Caucasian peoples understand this in their own way, about the criminal, as “patience,” as “tolerated.” The Russian people felt more guilty and for the collapse of the Union, and for the Chechen war. Only the rest didn’t feel their guilt! But only the wings and blamed Russians, for all mortal sins! Perhaps, to some extent, these "actions" of the peoples of Central Asia and the Caucasus were needed to awaken the Russian people? For the Russian people to change their minds and ask the guilty themselves? For all!
      2. Zhenya
        Zhenya 21 August 2013 20: 49 New
        +3
        Yeraz Dear, I don’t know how you are about the priest, I understand you from the Caucasus and of course you will defend the interests of building mosques, which is clearly not right, etc., etc., but let me open a little eye for you. 70% of current youth and under the age of 30, also about 70% of Slavic origin, clearly position themselves with fascism or are radically opposed to immigrants from the Caucasus, but more against immigrants from Central Asia, there are a lot of parties, a lot of groups. And at such a pace, you know what can happen, people are increasingly supporting such parties, but there may be a German scenario in the 30s and I just see it on the streets and hear in the words of not only young, but also middle-aged people . Here are the realities for you.
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 21 August 2013 21: 07 New
          +1
          Quote: Marrying
          Yeraz Dear, I don’t know how you are about the priest, I understand you from the Caucasus and of course you will defend the interests of building mosques, which is clearly not right, etc., etc.

          Why is the construction of mosques clearly not right? Not only Christians live in Russia. The only thing I am for is that mosques in purely Russian cities should be built in the outskirts, and not in the center.
          Quote: Marrying
          at such a pace you know what can happen, people are increasingly supporting such parties, but there may be a German scenario in the 30s and I just see it on the streets and hear in words not only young but also middle-aged people. Here are the realities for you.

          I also see this very well, I live here. But the problem is that the Russians begin to behave with dignity, and not by Western standards, like today's youth. I’ll just be in full swing, go to Azerbaijan or Turkey. But other indigenous Muslims of Russia they’ll stay here and a civil war will begin. I personally don’t want this. But when one part of the population rapidly goes under Western standards, others into the radical currents of Islam, and those who try to balance, will also not be able to do so for a long time against the background of total Europeanization.
          1. Zhenya
            Zhenya 21 August 2013 21: 45 New
            +2
            Yeraz I don’t agree about mosques, I understand the habitation in Muslim cities like Kazan, Makhachkala, etc., in Grozny, the same churches are not built, although the city was once Orthodox. I understand that the country is of different religions, but can you imagine a mosque in Pskov? I personally do not.
            I believe you that you live here and I already realized that you are not a Chechen, but an Azerbaijani, you will forgive the early words. There will be no civil war, there will be something else, you know better how we behave, but how do people from the Caucasus (not all of them) behave, which Russian would piss into eternal flame and put out it? This is pure blasphemy. What a healthy person will ride in the center of Moscow and shoot at the air - are these traditions? Why those traditions who came from another region of the country do not respect these traditions, I don’t go to them and burn a mosque. Dancing lezginka at the subway station - this is wildness, you forgive me. Tatars are also Muslims and no one touches them, no one accuses them I have a lot of Tatars friends. It’s just that some of the people who “came down from the mountains” and “came from the steppes” do nasty things and a black spot falls on everyone. Respecting other people's traditions, do not provoke anger, which is now in society, and the reason for this is not respect for Russian traditions.
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz 21 August 2013 23: 38 New
              +1
              ZhenyaDamn some persecution. Zhen I have a classmate Zhenya, with whom I still communicate, and my university friend is also Zhenya)))
              Look, I still didn’t understand your position against mosques. Yes Pskov is a Russian city, but you cannot impede migration within Russia, people are all moving to the central regions, there is no work there, the birth rate is higher and it’s clear that they will appear here and will live permanently and they are also full citizens of the Russian Federation, then they will be full citizens.
              The fact that the Caucasians behave, I already wrote, there are 2 types of people 1 who will put up with pressure, because they suffered, 2 category as 2, who live purely by their traditions (which do not go against it) and they do not care how Russians behave. And everything in the world. If a Russian allows you to humiliate yourself with a numerical advantage, then he is worthy of humiliation, so I personally won’t come to consider it below my dignity.
              To write in the eternal flame is ugliness. To shoot, there are such traditions, but try to get an injury in Baku, not to shoot, to dance. I think it’s not advisable to dance a lezginka.
              Quote: Marrying
              Tatars are also Muslims and no one touches them, no one accuses them I have a lot of Tatars friends

              Well, the Tatars, like the Russians, have a lot of elements of assimilation.
              Quote: Marrying
              Respecting other people's traditions, do not provoke anger, which is now in society, and the reason for this is not respect for Russian traditions.

              You see, I don’t see the Russian tradition. If it is a very small number of people.
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 21 August 2013 22: 59 New
          +4
          I completely agree with you Eugene .... The boiler is boiling, there will be an explosion, I will raise my children as it should, but we will have to remember our youth themselves, we still have strengths ....
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 21 August 2013 21: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: 6Sunrise9
      In general, I advocate the eviction of all Muslims professing Shafiism, this is one of the trends of Sunni Islam (Dag, Ingush, Chechens) outside the Russian Federation.


      Thank God that you are not the commander in chief of the Russian army ...... laughing hi
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 21 August 2013 16: 41 New
    0
    I'm not only afraid of the rocket.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 21 August 2013 16: 32 New
    +3
    All this resembles a rated TV game. You won’t drag home to the ratings - it’s home alone, but with a different view from the window.
  • Vyalik
    Vyalik 21 August 2013 16: 38 New
    +6
    The competition is wrong in essence. Do not need these races for first place. Russia is a huge country, and many places in it are equally sweet and symbolic to me. Let there be 10 characters, but without announcing the number of votes. And it’s known how the Caucasus votes, look at the turnout at any election.
  • Jet blackbird
    Jet blackbird 21 August 2013 16: 41 New
    -4
    Why are you all so "enraged"? "Symbols" - then 10! One will be from Chechnya ... everyone else from Russia itself ... 1: 9 score)) Calm down! You all are "one country" and if you look for "splinter" - then all of them will have to be pulled out ... from your own ass))
  • 787nkx
    787nkx 21 August 2013 16: 41 New
    -3
    Without mutual integration of the population of the regions and republics, the national question will remain a “toothache” the state took the pill, it seems to cease to hurt. If the population of the republic is 50% non-native, the question will disappear by itself.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 16: 44 New
      +8
      Tell that to more than 300 Russians who fled from Chechnya.
    2. Warrawar
      Warrawar 21 August 2013 16: 56 New
      +9
      Quote: 787nkx
      Without mutual integration of the population of the regions and republics, the national question will remain a “toothache” the state took the pill, it seems to cease to hurt. If the population of the republic is 50% non-native, the question will disappear by itself.

      Sorry, there were more than 80% of Russians in Grozny. The city of Grozny itself is a Russian city built by General Ermolov. Now the Russians in Grozny are in the region of arithmetic error. There were ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Russian people.
      And how do you propose, in such cases, to carry out "mutual integration"? Do you want to bring a few hundred thousand more Russians there and wait until they are cut out again?
      1. 787nkx
        787nkx 21 August 2013 17: 00 New
        -5
        Conditions are necessary under which both republics and residents of other regions will be interested in integration.
        1. 6 sunrise 9
          6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 03 New
          +6
          try to say this to the Chechens.
      2. 6 sunrise 9
        6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 05 New
        +9
        If the Russians return to Chechnya, then for them it is necessary to create Russian settlements (cities, villages), they need to bring in their Russian administration and police, revive the Cossack army and give each Russian in arms .. a gun, a shotgun, Kalash, etc. Without this, it will look like the importation of sheep into a slaughterhouse.
        1. Warrawar
          Warrawar 21 August 2013 20: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: 6Sunrise9
          If the Russians return to Chechnya, then for them it is necessary to create Russian settlements (cities, villages), they need to bring in their Russian administration and police, revive the Cossack army and give each Russian in arms .. a gun, a shotgun, Kalash, etc. Without this, it will look like the importation of sheep into a slaughterhouse.

          So it was with the king.
  • Alexandr73
    Alexandr73 21 August 2013 16: 43 New
    +5
    The mosque is beautiful (photographer 5+),
    Attraction - a place, thing or object that deserves special attention, famous or remarkable by something, for example, being a historical heritage, art value - see Wikipedia. What does it have to do with: Historical Heritage ?, Artistic Value? after 100 years (if it’s so long) you can talk about heritage and value, and so ...
    In short, not a competition, but a solid bullshit. And it doesn’t matter who got the most votes there. I personally do not participate in principle in any voting after 91 years. I will never forget (I was in the army at that time) when I was brought into the club on a rotary basis and poked my finger in the billboard and put the checkmark behind the screen (there was a ballot box) - that was our secret ballot. Since then, no-no. Our state is INDEPENDENT, and accordingly X is NOT dependent on us (I mean official voting and elections)
    This is my personal opinion.
  • bubla5
    bubla5 21 August 2013 16: 52 New
    +8
    It’s time to understand that a new bureaucratic nation has arisen in Russia, they don’t have a homeland, they have a country that has been milked for 20 years, their children who study and live over the hill, and their ancestors pirate in the country and transfer loot abroad
    1. zennon
      zennon 21 August 2013 21: 02 New
      +3
      It is high time to understand that a new nation, an official, was born in Russia ...

      The German Weber, who visited Petersburg during the reign of Peter, wrote: “Officials here are looked at as birds of prey, they think that with their assumption of office they are given the right to suck people to the bones and base their happiness on the destruction of their well-being.” In November 1724, Peter ordered the arrest of chamberlain Willem Mons and his sister, State Lady Matron Balk. Mons was accused of "appearing in many bribes and intervening in matters that did not belong to him," the chamberlain was chopped off his head on Troitskaya Square, followed by her hoisting on a high pole. The frightened Matrena Balk listened to her brother’s decapitated body, she got five whips and a link to Siberia. On the day of the execution, “scribble paintings” were nailed on the scaffold’s poles; apparently, these were one of the first vowels of Russian documents exposing corrupt officials. Matrena Balk’s painting included 23 items, and among those who bribed were princes Menshikov, Dolgoruky, Golitsyn, Cherkassky, count Golovkin, Volynsky and other more or less important people of that time were noted there. Prince Matvey Gagarin received bribes for return to the mercy of wine and beer sales. The Senate sentenced the prince to death, while the bribe taker pleaded guilty, and in January 1724 he executed Alexei Nesterov himself - the execution of the chief fiscal was arranged as a real performance: the tsar himself watched the action from the window of the Audit College. First, the heads of three fiscals, subordinates of Nesterov, were chopped off, and then Alexey Nesterov himself was chopped up by limbs and dragged along the platform to the place where the heads of his assistants were chopped off. The chief fiscal was thrown face into their blood and the executioner cut off his head. Then the heads of all four executed were hoisted on four high poles.
      It was born a long time ago! Believe me, I can cite and cite similar facts ... recourse
  • ankh-andrej
    ankh-andrej 21 August 2013 17: 00 New
    +2
    I voted for the Kremlin 3 days ago.
    1. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 21 August 2013 17: 32 New
      +3
      and you can vote every day
  • EGORKA
    EGORKA 21 August 2013 17: 08 New
    +4
    If all the Russians agreed to vote for one thing, or they would cast their voices, that’s our weakness, there’s no unity and there isn’t any catalyst needed to unite us, as always, as long as the roasted cock doesn’t peck, we don’t move. But the Chechens have something to learn, for example, non-national unity.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 16 New
      +2
      And then, 12 million in Moscow are shaking with fear because of 50-70 thousand Muslims. An example of many small cities where Muslims and migrants were taken by bus, because the indigenous population vowed to kill them, is too cruel for Muscovites. Now, if in Mosvka on one day the residents walked around the city with clubs, axes and knives and gave the people lyuley to all visitors, then the problem would be solved in 2-3 days of the pogroms of migrants.
      I don’t need about the playpen, stupid Natsik came to the Kremlin and stood there for several hours throwing ziki.

      That's what they were waiting for ??? What Putin will come out and throw a ridge?
  • tarks
    tarks 21 August 2013 17: 24 New
    +1
    Just wondering who REALLY rules Russia?
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 28 New
      +1
      KGB officer V.V. Putin
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 37 New
        +7
        Quote: 6Sunrise9
        KGB officer V.V. Putin


        Wrong answer. Putin is the head of the occupation administration, appointed by the true rulers of this world - an interethnic financial oligarchy.

        You can gossip arbitrarily over the conspiracy theological versions of governing the World, but analyzing the facts impartially, you come to this conclusion ...
        1. Vlada1981
          Vlada1981 22 August 2013 14: 05 New
          0
          when you realize the horror of the situation with the world government, where the idea of ​​the unreality of such a scale of catastrophe flickers very deeply, and this unreality looks like hope.
  • Bezarius
    Bezarius 21 August 2013 17: 27 New
    +1
    Really sad. The Russian people will soon have no place in their own country.
    1. 6 sunrise 9
      6 sunrise 9 21 August 2013 17: 33 New
      0
      But I disagree with this. Russians with such demographic dynamics will become a minority in 300 years. The problem of Russians in them, degraded.
    2. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 21 August 2013 17: 44 New
      -3
      We will look for a place in foreign countries.
      1. vadimN
        vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: Kibalchish
        We will look for a place in foreign countries.


        No ... We will fight for our country!
        This is our country, and we want to live in it the way WE want!
  • Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 21 August 2013 17: 31 New
    +4
    damn .... we urgently need to vote for the Kolomna monastery .....
  • Arabist
    Arabist 21 August 2013 17: 32 New
    0
    It seems to me that this article is intended to sow discord in the country. The situation with all this is already complicated, and such articles only aggravate it and do not contribute to its improvement. Kadyrov said his vote, everyone voted. And the rest does not seem to care about their characters (not without exception, of course).
  • klyazma
    klyazma 21 August 2013 17: 38 New
    +4
    Strange, but I always thought that the main symbol of Russia is the Kremlin.
    1. builder
      builder 21 August 2013 19: 58 New
      +1
      Here is all about the state symbols of the Russian Federation
      State symbols of the Russian Federation
      ================
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix 1 to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation" (Figure of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation in multicolor version)
      Appendix 2 to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Emblem of the Russian Federation" (Drawing of the State Emblem of the Russian Federation in one-color version)
      ----------------
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Flag of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the State Flag of the Russian Federation" (Multi-color drawing of the State Flag of the Russian Federation)
      ----------------
      Federal Constitutional Law "On the National Anthem of the Russian Federation"
      Appendix to the Federal Constitutional Law "On the National Anthem of the Russian Federation" (Musical edition of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation)
      Decree of the President of the Russian Federation "On the text of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation"
      Text of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation
      Performance of the National Anthem of the Russian Federation
    2. Setrac
      Setrac 22 August 2013 17: 09 New
      0
      Quote: klyazma
      Strange, but I always thought that the main symbol of Russia is the Kremlin.

      That's it, and no false polls will change that.
  • grafrozow
    grafrozow 21 August 2013 17: 42 New
    +3
    Ramzan Kadyrov called the possible victory in the competition of the Grozny mosque "the triumph of tolerance." And here it is impossible to disagree with him. It really will be a complete victory - and over Russian history, and over common sense ...
    Author Pavel Svyatenkov
    "Tolerance" was invented specifically for the Russian people, with such "innocent" votes I want to go to the gun shop. Only our government does not see this. The mosque is a symbol of Russia, and then what ....
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: grafrozow
      "Tolerance"


      Tolerance is a medical concept, and means the inability of the body to resist harmful diseases.
      (If you messed up something in the verbatim - sorry, I'm not a medic. But the essence is true - I can vouch.)
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 21 August 2013 22: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: vadimN
        Tolerance is a medical concept, and means the inability of the body to resist harmful diseases.
        Not only medical, there is also engineering ability to find a compromise solution. But now we are talking about social tolerance.
  • zao74
    zao74 21 August 2013 17: 46 New
    +8
    The mosque is certainly good, but it was built on the money of Russian taxpayers, aimed in the form of subsidies for the restoration of Chechnya ... This offends. I am ready to help the needy regardless of his religion and nat. belonging, but I do not agree to build temples to his gods. Especially when our Russian shrines are destroyed by lack of funding!
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 21 August 2013 17: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: tarks
    Just wondering who REALLY rules Russia?


    CAN SOME OF THEM?
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 21 August 2013 17: 55 New
    +2
    Some kind of children's games. Symbols of Russia, I don’t understand who needs it, what symbols? For me, the symbols of Russia are broken roads, a constant rise in prices, and other misfortune. Who and whom is trying to blur their eyes, but what do I personally from all these characters. So the vote is sluggish, it just shows that the people are not up to the symbols, some organize races for luxury, others simply survive. here you have the symbols.
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 August 2013 18: 51 New
      +4
      Quote: vladsolo56
      For me, the symbols of Russia are broken roads, a constant rise in prices, and other misfortune.

      Broken roads are not a symbol of Russia, but an objective manifestation of the climate and an indicator of the level of economic development of the region. If there is money, there are roads.
      2 years ago I drove from Novosibirsk to Biysk -380 km, the road is excellent.
      Last year I drove from Yekaterinburg to Kazan - 1100 km, the road is excellent.
      In the spring of this year, I traveled from Ivdel to Magnitogorsk - 820 km, the road is almost everywhere excellent, and in some places it is repaired.
      1. grafrozow
        grafrozow 21 August 2013 22: 31 New
        +1
        Quote: Corsair5912
        Last year I drove from Yekaterinburg to Kazan - 1100 km, the road is excellent.
        Forgot to add, in some places repair, for 5 years. Still try to drive along the Samara-Volgograd road, I promise extreme. YANAO is one of the economically developed regions of the Russian Federation, according to statistics, but the roads ...
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 22 August 2013 18: 23 New
          0
          Quote: grafrozow
          Forgot to add, in some places repair, for 5 years. Still try to drive along the Samara-Volgograd road, I promise extreme. YANAO is one of the economically developed regions of the Russian Federation, according to statistics, but the roads ...


          In the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, there can be no good roads (in the warm season) even theoretically, there are marshy tundra and long-term permafrost zone with a capacity of several tens of meters.
          They drive along winter roads, along rivers and through the air.
          You can, of course, build roads on stilts, with a piling depth of 20-50 m. But just a kilometer of that road will cost more than 300 km of the autobahn in Germany.
  • Al shahini
    Al shahini 21 August 2013 18: 04 New
    +5
    , "Yes, you yourself have become such weaklings! you go down in the army before the chocks, you yourself sit in the subway and you don’t care that you have a woman in front of you, like pigs all around you while drinking beer, raise your sons and daughters themselves who smoke from 10 years! "(c)
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------
    AFIRE said harshly and harshly, but, alas, not far from the truth.
    And it's not about voting. It's about a PROBLEM. The state in which the state-forming nation is in a lowered state is a fragile state.
    And if the authorities do not understand this, then it is necessary to choose another power - one that understands. And ask from it.

    No one but ourselves will suit us a normal life

    By the way, reasonable representatives of other nationalities should also understand that the destruction of Russia will bury both their well-being and their very existence.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 22 August 2013 19: 12 New
      +2
      Quote: Al Shahini
      "Yes, you yourself have become such weaklings! yourself go down in the army before the chocks

      You are fundamentally wrong, I will explain how everything happens in the army. Draftees are distributed according to their abilities, strong, decisive, trained are sent to elite troops, weak and weak-willed, so to speak, to less elite - construction battalion, zheldorbat. But this applies to draftees from Russian regions (not only Russian). There are practically no recruits from the Caucasian republics to elite troops, despite the fact that he is an athlete, a sportsman, and even a master of sports. So it turns out that there is such, for example, a Dagestan who has a direct road to the Marine Corps - in the construction battalion, among all substandard conditions, those of the Russians who can repulse him serve in other troops. So Caucasians imagine themselves with navels of the earth, not understanding that if it comes to a real mess, they will have to deal with completely different soldiers.
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 21 August 2013 18: 05 New
    +7
    Formal "multinationality" exists against the background of the unrecognition of the role of the Russian people. But at the same time with multinationality and non-recognition of Russians on the territory of the Russian Federation, there are 16 ethnic national state republics that no one is in a hurry to recognize as multinational and which protect the interests of their ethnic groups.

    The Russian people never needed any special recognition, and without this recognition it always dominated, dominates and will dominate in Russia and the former USSR.
    And the fact that non-Russian crime is protecting the Russophobian liberal power, so there is no direct fault of the Russian people, again we were ... deceived.
    In the Sverdlovsk region, the national authorities tried to intimidate the residents of Sagra, arrived brazenly, in cars, and ran into it. Their men took their guns, axes and pitchforks, killed one, and the rest drapanuli, putting on full pants. http://www.vsurikov.ru/2011p0711sagra.htm
    Not all crucians in Russia, there are perches.
    But the court sold Russia again, most of the bandits escaped with suspended sentences, and the cop officers of non-Russian nationality, who protected the bandit, are still free.
    1. vadimN
      vadimN 21 August 2013 18: 44 New
      +3
      "Sholokhov riot". Residents of the village of Veshenskaya in the Rostov region require a restrictive migration policy
      On August 12, rumors stubbornly crawled around the village of Vyoshenskaya and the village of Bazkovskaya that Russian guys were beaten up by "Chechens" or "Dagestanis" in the village of Bazkovskaya. 13-300 people gathered at the spontaneous rally in the village of Vyoshenskaya for 350 hours on the square near the district administration. There were representatives of public organizations, including representatives of the Communist Party, the Cossacks, warriors of border guard veterans and just residents of the village of Vyoshenskaya and Bazkovskaya.

      Press Service of the Sholokhov RK Communist Party
      2013-08-13 18:34

      The participants demanded a gathering of citizens of the Sholokhov district on issues of inaction by the authorities, regarding excessive migration of people of Caucasian ethnicity to the Sholokhov district, who, according to the participants of the spontaneous rally, destabilize the situation in the region, and at the end of last week, according to the same participants in the rally, they beat the village of Bazkovskaya of Russian guys, inflicting superficial cut wounds on them.

      The rally participants did not want to talk with the first deputy head of the district administration A. S. Blagodarov and with loud cries they began to call the head of the district. Neither the prosecutor, nor the appearing head of the district, O.N. Delnov, nor the representatives of the Ministry of Internal Affairs were able to give intelligible answers to the population to the questions posed.

      The opinion of those gathered unambiguously is that the authorities are not able to restore order in the Sholokhov district. A week ago, the communists of the district warned in a letter from the governor of the Rostov region V. Golubev about the likelihood of an outbreak of unrest in the Sholokhov district on national grounds. However, neither the governor, nor the head of the Sholokhov district to the statement of the first secretary of the Sholokhov RK Communist Party Sutormina EA did not respond. Result on the face. The protesters will repeat their rally on Sunday 18 August, with specific requirements - claims to the existing government.
  • And raid
    And raid 21 August 2013 18: 05 New
    -8
    In 1917, the most notable were killed, in 1922 the most educated were killed, in 1930 the most enterprising were killed, in 1937 the most minded were killed, in 1941 all patriots especially were killed and then the “Iron Curtain” because pigs should live only in the nook and silently to go to work! The descendants of those remaining now live in Russia, they are both the current elite and society, and ... At least 200 years is needed for some decent national society to come into being! But it’s a pity only to live in this wonderful time ...
    1. Al shahini
      Al shahini 21 August 2013 18: 16 New
      +6
      In 1917, the most notable were killed, in 1922 the most educated were killed, in 1930 the most enterprising were killed, in 1937 the most minded were killed, in 1941 a disaster struck and all especially patriots were killed, (c)
      ---------------------------------------------------------
      If they killed all the best, then he defeated the Nazis, revived the Country, built a powerful energy complex, conquered space and did much more?
      Varangians or what?

      The people - he is not killed. In place of the departing heroes / as well as the villains, too / are new ones. The whole question is who will prevail at a particular stage of development. Who will determine this development are ascetics and heroes, or crooks. and traders.

      And we will leave these tales of supposedly "best" destroyed by the revolution to the slobbering intel and the uninhabited burials. If they really were the elite and the best, then they simply would not have created a revolutionary situation.
      1. And raid
        And raid 21 August 2013 18: 23 New
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        So this was tolerance, and now they pump oil and lick its ass so that the Indians do not blow up the oil towers!
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 21 August 2013 22: 53 New
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        Quote: Al Shahini
        And we will leave these tales of supposedly "best" destroyed by the revolution to the slobbering intel and the underelicated burials
        Do you know who Sikorsky, Berezovsky, not BAB, but the designer of Mercedes engines, Bulganin ... You can read more. Who is sitting on your ridge? It's like you are sitting on our ridge, but soon we will put you on something below the waist. wassat
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 21 August 2013 18: 31 New
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      Quote: AndRade
      In 1917, the most notable were killed, in 1922 the most educated were killed, in 1930 the most enterprising were killed, in 1937 the most minded were killed, in 1941 a disaster struck and all especially patriots were killed, then the Iron Curtain


      You have the wrong layout, in fact it was like this:
      In 1917, power was taken from parasites and degenerates who did not allow the country to develop.
      In 1922 they finished off the most aggressive, who dreamed again to drive the people into a slave yoke.
      In 1937, they cleared the country of the 5th column, of harmful projectors and loafers.
      In 1941-1945 The Soviet people, led by Communists and Komsomol members, cleansed the world of the brown fascist plague.
      The Iron Curtain was not established by the Bolsheviks and long before the Bolsheviks
      Before World War I, the Russian Empire was the only European country to enter whose territory a foreigner needed a passport, “as if they wanted to erect a barrier between different nations,” writes Maurice Druon

      The expression gained direct anti-Soviet meaning in 1919, when French Prime Minister Georges Clemenceau uttered the phrase at the Paris Peace Conference: "We want to put an iron curtain around Bolshevism that will prevent it from destroying civilized Europe."

      The Iron Curtain is an informational, political and border barrier erected by the West in 1919-1920 and for several decades separating the USSR and other socialist countries from the capitalist countries of the West.
      The expression “Iron Curtain” got its modern meaning thanks to Winston Churchill, who used it in his Fulton speech.

      National Russian society in Russia was born no later than the 5th century AD, when in Europe there was not one of the modern states.
      Russia is the oldest state in Europe and one of the oldest in the world.
      1. And raid
        And raid 21 August 2013 20: 49 New
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        And what, for all this, it was necessary to kill the guys from the next street? By the way, Korolev, in my opinion, invented rockets at the resort, or in the Gulag? There are many more loafers who died, maybe your relatives have bones on BAM. No, well, if it was worth it !!! And you say: "In 1937 they cleaned the country of the 5th column, of harmful projectors and loafers."
        1. grafrozow
          grafrozow 21 August 2013 23: 39 New
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          Quote: AndRade
          , maybe your relatives have bones on BAM.
          The bones lie here-501 construction, today.
        2. sleepy
          sleepy 22 August 2013 00: 06 New
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          Quote: AndRade
          "And what, for all this, it was necessary to kill the guys from the next street? By the way, Korolev, in my opinion, he invented rockets at the resort,
          or in the Gulag? .. "


          S.P. Korolev was jailed for embezzlement of state money.
          Then they imprisoned everyone, regardless of their ranks, positions, or parents.
          But now they are not planting, but fined.

          "A little about the repressions of 1937. Only not the Berievsky ones, but about the Yezhovsky ones.
          The name Beria is primarily associated with repression.
          The simplest question: when were the "Beria repressions"?
          For the notorious "37th year" is the then chief of the NKVD Comrade Yezhov.
          Even the expression was - "hedgehogs".
          Post-war repressions were also carried out when Beria did not work in the organs, and when he arrived there in 1953, the first thing he did was to stop them.
          "Order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR No. 0068" On the Prohibition of Applying Any Measures of Coercion and Physical Impact to the Detained 4 April 1953 city
          http://shieldandsword.mozohin.ru/documents/order0068.htm

          When there were “Beria rehabilitation” - this is clearly recorded in the history. And “Beria's repression” is a pure product of “black PR”.

          Beria also owns another invention of the era - "Sharashka".
          Among the arrested there were many people who were very necessary to the country.
          Of course, these were not poets and writers, about whom they shout most and loudest, but scientists, engineers, designers, working for defense.

          Repression in this environment is a special topic. Who and under what circumstances planted the developers of military equipment in the context of an impending war?
          The question is far from rhetorical.
          First, the in the NKVD there were real agents of Germany,
          who, according to real tasks of real German intelligence, tried to neutralize people useful to the Soviet defense complex.
          Second, the and there were no less “dissidents” in those days,
          than in the late 80s.
          Moreover, the environment is incredibly quarrelsome, and denunciation in it has always been a favorite means of settling bills and career growth.
          Be that as it may, having accepted the People’s Commissar of Internal Affairs, Beria was faced with the fact: in his department was hundreds of arrested scientists and designers, whose work just before the cut, the country needs.

          As it is now fashionable to say - feel yourself Commissar!
          Before you lies the case. This person may be to blame, or may be innocent, but he is necessary. What to do? Write: “Free,” showing subordinates an example of lawlessness of the opposite property? Check things out?
          Yes, of course, but you have a closet in which 600 thousand cases.
          In fact, for each of them it is necessary to conduct a second investigation,
          but there are no frames. If we are talking about already convicted, we must also achieve the abolition of the sentence. Where to start? With scientists? With the military?
          And time goes on, people are sitting, the war is getting closer ...

          Beria quickly oriented. Already 10 January 1939, he signs an order to organize the Special Technical Bureau. The research topics are purely military: aircraft manufacturing, shipbuilding, shells, armor steel. From the experts of these industries, sitting in prisons, formed the whole group.

          When the opportunity turned up, Beria tried to free these people. For example, on May 25, 1940, the aircraft designer Tupolev was sentenced to 15 years in camps, and in the summer he was released under an amnesty.
          A large group of developers of military equipment released
          in the summer of 1941, another one - in 1943, the rest got freedom
          from 1944 to 1948 ... "
          http://matveychev-oleg.livejournal.com/432101.html
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 22 August 2013 00: 13 New
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            Plus, buddy, these s-ki are so doused with mud that it’s very difficult to clean. They are like the mantra-Beria is a villain, a sadist, a sexual pervert ... And if Lavrenty Pavlovich would come to power after Joseph Vissarionovich, the country would only win and strengthened even more. I can cite many such examples
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 23 August 2013 01: 16 New
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              Quote: Den 11
              "And if - after Joseph Vissarionovich, Lavrenty Pavlovich would come to power, the country would only win and strengthen
              even stronger. There are many such examples. "


              So it is necessary to give more examples.
              No arguing against the facts.
      2. grafrozow
        grafrozow 21 August 2013 23: 12 New
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        Quote: Corsair5912
        In 1941-1945 The Soviet people, led by Communists and Komsomol members, cleansed the world of the brown fascist plague.
        And in 1939 was this plague white and fluffy? A parade in Brest, what can I say? Who helped this plague get on its feet?
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 21 August 2013 23: 21 New
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          Stupid question, but the shavers did it for you, and the United States raised money. Well, you picture Bush art. and do not post Hussein?
          1. grafrozow
            grafrozow 21 August 2013 23: 41 New
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            Quote: tilovaykrisa
            but the shavers did it for you, and the us raised money.
            For whom, "for you"?
        2. Day 11
          Day 11 21 August 2013 23: 26 New
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          By the way very tolerant --- German man pens with a Jew
        3. sleepy
          sleepy 22 August 2013 01: 21 New
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          Quote: grafrozow
          "And in 1939, this plague was white and fluffy? Parade in Brest, what can I say? Who helped this plague to stand up?"


          Hitler brought to power American financial corporations interested in the supply of equipment and weapons to the belligerents.
          There was no joint parade in Brest - this is a myth,
          invented by Goebbels and inflated by Suvorov (Rezun).

          It was not a joint parade, but a solemn withdrawal of German troops
          from Brest.
          German documentaries skillfully mixed footage of the German parade
          with shots of passing Soviet tanks related to time,
          not coinciding with the time of the "parade".
          They also “diluted” their report with shots of Soviet troops standing on the side streets, waiting for the Germans to withdraw their troops.
          But in fact, after the Polish government cowardly abandoned its people, parts of the Red Army occupied the territories captured by Polish interventionists in the 20s, Russia, waging war with the interventionists (England, Germany, USA, Poland, Japan), and with internal enemies.
          After Stalin politely asked Hitler to clear Brest,
          the Germans proudly and retired.
          Is this called a joint parade?
          Or did Stalin have to watch the Germans occupy the Russian territories that were torn away from Russia by the Polish invaders in the 20s?
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 22 August 2013 01: 58 New
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            Who brought Hitler to power?
            "Begins active cooperation of American corporations
            with the German in terms of militarization of Germany.

            Schacht, Rosenberg and Hugenberg drafted and presented in London a memorandum in which they proved that only Germany could save Europe from the "danger of Bolshevism", so it should be allowed and helped to arm itself.

            Hitler was originally a puppet that was used to
            "Reformat of Europe", a blow to Russia
            and not for the purpose of the German "New World Order", but for the establishment of the American "World Order". "
            http://topwar.ru/5433-kak-a-gitlera-delali-vozhdem-germanskoy-nacii.html

            "To understand the true causes of the outbreak of World War II and aggression against the Soviet Union, you need to know who stood
            for the German Nazis and was the true customer and culprit of the global massacre
            that claimed and crippled tens of millions of lives. Otherwise, the lack of information leads to the fact that people begin to believe the fables that the "bloody villain" Stalin and the totalitarian USSR were the instigators of World War II. The most arrogant "researchers" agreed beforethat the USSR and Stalin personally helped Hitler come
            to power to crush the countries of "Western democracy" ...
            ... In recent years, serious research has begun to appear,
            that say that the key structures that defined
            a long-term development strategy for the West, after the end of the First World War, were the main financial institutions of England and the USA -
            Bank of England and the US Federal Reserve (Fed).
            Behind them stood certain financial and industrial organizations, clans and families, which are called the "Golden Elite" ...
            .It is the "golden rain" from England and the USA,
            the transfer of advanced technologies, political and “moral” support made Germany the leader of Europe.
            Hitler was allowed to take Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia without a fight.
            Turned a blind eye to the repeal of the provisions of the Versailles Accords,
            which concerned the armed forces, military construction in Germany.
            Thus was created a first-class German army.
            It becomes clear "strange war" on the Western Front,
            when the Wehrmacht defeated Poland, the victorious march across France and the strange “escape” to Great Britain by Rudolf Hess, his equally strange death many years later. The same can explain the miraculous "salvation" of the British troops near Dunkirk, as well as the strange choice of Berlin’s strategy - an attack on the USSR, instead of killing England, capturing Gibraltar, Suez, going through the Middle East to Persia and India ... "
            http://topwar.ru/23598-kto-privel-gitlera-k-vlasti.html
            1. sleepy
              sleepy 22 August 2013 02: 24 New
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              As the Americans got rich in World War II.

              "America has grown the most rich during World War II:
              On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania.
              He left the country with them and Polish gold reserve.
              Soon Polish gold appeared in France
              . Then in France for a short period it turned out that the gold of defeated Belgium
              in large quantities imported to Belgium from the Congo before the war.
              On June 14, 1940, the Germans entered Paris, and on the 19th, Brest left the newly built French battleship Richelieu.
              On June 23, the battleship arrived safely on the shores of French Senegal ...
              ... In the holds of the battleship was the gold of Poland, Belgium, part of the gold of the Netherlands, and most importantly, the gold reserve of the French National Bank, which amounted to 1940 billion 2 million dollars at the end of May 477 - the largest in interwar Europe.
              Until November 1942, the Richelieu calmly stood off the coast of French Senegal. True, on July 4, 1940, the so-called Mers-El-Kebir incident occurred. The British, who were allies of France two weeks ago, unexpectedly attacked French ships at the naval base of Mers El Kebir in Algeria. As a result of the shelling carried out by the guns of the English battleships "Barham" and "Resolution" the French lost several battleships, as well as 1230 people killed, 310 missing and 311 wounded.
              On November 8, 1942, American troops landed in Dakar.
              The Richelieu received new injuries that day: five hits of sixteen-inch shells fired from the American battleship Massachusetts caused an explosion of loaded guns in the upper right half-tower.
              On January 30, 1943, the Americans took Richelieu to New York ...
              Gold was in the hands of the Americans and migrated from the battleship holds to the Fort Knox vaults.
              http://www.anaga.ru/2/4/KAk-razbogatela-America.htm

              And more about the activities of the Americans.

              "A complete list of all war crimes of the United States of America."
              http://oko-planet.su/oko-planet/politik/politiklist/71678-polnyy-spisok-vseh-voe
              nnyh-prestupleniy-soedinennyh-shtatov-ameriki.html

              US Congress Act 86-90 (1959):
              "The United States should strive to dismember the Soviet monster into 22 states." Among them, besides Ukraine, Belarus and other republics of the Union, Siberia, the Far East, the Urals are named ...
              The law has not been repealed so far.
              http://www.usinfo.ru/rossijaindex.htm
          2. grafrozow
            grafrozow 22 August 2013 15: 47 New
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            Quote: sleepy
            There was no joint parade in Brest - this is a myth,
            invented by Goebbels and inflated by Suvorov (Rezun).
            The procedure for transferring the city ended with a solemn march along the central street of the city of units of the 19th Wehrmacht motorized corps and 29 separate armored brigade of the Red Army. 29 OTB-Semyon Krivoshein commander. He also writes about this in his book "Intermarriage" p261. I understand your desire to make our story beautiful, but what about the facts?
            1. grafrozow
              grafrozow 22 August 2013 19: 50 New
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              Quote: grafrozow
              On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania.

              and on September 17, the Red Army troops went on a "liberation" campaign. Why are you silent about this?
              1. sleepy
                sleepy 23 August 2013 01: 26 New
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                Quote: grafrozow
                "On September 1, 1939, Hitler attacked Poland, and already on September 16, the Polish government and military command fled to Romania, and on September 17 the Red Army troops went on a" liberation "campaign. Why are you silent about this?"


                On September 1, 1939, Germany attacked Poland, which was also an aggressor - capturing part of Czechoslovakia and cherishing plans to create "Greater Poland" at the expense of the USSR. The Polish elite made a strategic miscalculation, thinking that Germany would hit the USSR,
                leaving Poland independent. The Polish armed forces were poorly prepared for the war, in addition, the military-political leadership betrayed the country, having fled from the capital, and then from Poland.
                The Polish state ceased to exist.
                Moscow has improved its military strategic position,
                reclaiming Western Belarus and Western Ukraine.
                England and France left their ally to their fate -
                so called “Strange war”, although during this period they still had a military opportunity to punish the aggressor.
                Militarily France, England, Poland and their allies -
                Belgium and Holland, had a significant superiority in the number of divisions, tanks, aircraft, guns.
                Poland was simply surrendered to Hitler, hoping that he would hit the USSR.

                Hitler captured Poland.
                Stalin returned Western Belarus and Western Ukraine to Russia.
                After the Polish government fled.
                And what kind of joint parade are we talking about?
                Could the newsreel of this event be preserved?
                1. sleepy
                  sleepy 23 August 2013 01: 44 New
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                  At one time, I also read Suvorov (Rezun) about
                  that Hitler was brought to power by Stalin.
                  But more and more facts are being published that Hitler was brought to power by American financial circles.
                  These same American circles are now on the territory of Russia pursue a policy of "divide and conquer", for example, pit Muslims
                  with the Russians, as much has been written in the comments on this article -
                  about incitement of hostility in Russia and at the same time it’s somehow forgotten,
                  that the main enemy is overseas and is waiting for its moment.

                  And Suvorov (Rezun) simply borrowed the basic ideas from Goebbels.
                  and edited according to his goals.
                  Goebbels propaganda is the primary source on the Internet.
                  The document is published according to the publication: What the Soviet government hides
                  from the people and what everyone should know. - B.M., b.d. -63s
                  I. WHO IS THE INITIATOR OF WAR.
                  II. WHY STALIN DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CALL THIS WAR DOMESTIC.
                  III: "MARXISM, JEWISH AND THEIR LEADING ROLE IN THE USSR" - section deleted.
                  IV. THE ONE LEADER OF THE GERMAN PEOPLE - ADOLF HITLER.
                  V. NATIONAL-SOCIALISM - THE BASIS OF STATE SYSTEM OF GERMANY.

                  VI. Stalin pulled the peoples of the USSR into the war.
                  "... After a few weeks warning the Stalinist plan of the invasion of Red Army units on German territory, Adolf Hitler ordered the German armed forces to cross the eastern borders, it was time for the systematic release of the entire population of the USSR
                  from Jewish communist slavery ... "

                  USSR in the mirror of Nazi propaganda.
                  http://psyfactor.org/lib/gogun13.htm

                  Why read out Suvorov (Rezun),
                  when you can read the source - Goebbels.