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Russia and the United States will fight for Egypt?

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Russia and the United States will fight for Egypt?While Russian tourists are taking vouchers to Egypt and demanding a refund from travel agents, brutal Islamists in the pyramid country are smashing Coptic temples. Due to the deaths that began since the military took power, and the Muslim Brotherhood opposed them, it goes to hundreds. There are thousands of injured. The United States did not recognize the removal of Mursi from power by a military coup in order not to freeze relations with a country bordering on Israel and generally having a strategic position in the region. Meanwhile, the new government in Egypt is not at all pleased with the overseas curator, whose entire geopolitics is built, whatever one may say, on the support of the Islamists and the deprivation of supervised independence. Experts express opinions that, against the background of the US rejection in Egypt, tendencies of rapprochement with Russia, as well as with China, will intensify, which Washington will not like very much.


According to the most recent data, purchased tours in Egypt are canceled today about 90% of tourists. Basically these are the citizens of Russia, whose departure was scheduled for later dates. Reports about it Julia Krivoshapko ("Russian newspaper") with reference to the Association of Tour Operators of Russia.

The number of victims of mass riots in the country in recent days is approaching 800, recently reported Interfax.

According to the Egyptian Interior Ministry, the police arrested more than a thousand Islamists - supporters of Mursi. Of these, 558 people were arrested in Cairo. The government blames the death of citizens on the Muslim Brotherhood, from which Mursi himself emerged. According to media reports, Egyptian Acting Prime Minister Hazem Beblawi made a proposal to officially disband the Brothers.

As the RIA News" with reference to local media, the Egyptian authorities detained in the city of Giza and sent to prison the brother of the head of the Al-Qaida network Mohammed al-Zawahiri, one of the leaders of the Salafis. According to media reports, referring to the spokesman for the Egyptian penitentiary department, he was taken to the Tura prison, where, for example, they contain the sons of Mubarak. It is believed that az-Zawahiri sympathized with Mohammed Mursi.

Ivan Maximov ("Voice of Russia"), recalling that in half of the provinces of Egypt, the state of emergency and curfew were introduced, noted that Deputy Prime Minister Mohammed Al-Baradei resigned, and the unrest had already reached the resort area on the Sinai Peninsula. In Hurghada, the Islamists occupied the central square and attacked the police station and bus station.

“Now, it seems, for tourists everything is much more serious. All Egyptians are well aware that most of the hotels in Hurghada and located on the other side of the Gulf of Suez Sharm el-Sheikh belong to members of the military elite or their relatives. And to scare tourists means to hit the pockets of the generals who ousted Mursi from power. The fact that the outflow of vacationers will certainly deprive part of their incomes and the state budget, the protesters, seem to care little. And the Islamists this time, it seems, intend to "go to the end."


To what end the Islamists are going to go, show the pogroms of the Coptic temples.

Alarming symptom calls Daria Tyukova ("MK") Islamist attacks on Coptic Christian churches - despite the fact that Egypt was considered a religiously tolerant country.

Over the past days, more than fifty old Coptic churches have been subjected to attacks. This was told by a native of Cairo, Bishop Angelos, now the head of the Coptic Orthodox Church in Great Britain. According to NBC News, the Church of the Resurrection near the valley of the pyramids at Giza and the Temple of the Archangel Michael near Cairo suffered the most. Everything is burned there, the statues are toppled to the floor. On the walls of the desecrated temples are graffiti calling for “Islamic Egypt!” And “Sisi is the murderer!” The attacks on the temples began just after the supporters of the overthrown Mursi were expelled from the Cairo camp. Chances are that the Islamists provoke the Copts to respond.

And above the main Christian temple of St. George in the city of Sohag the al-Qaida flag was raised ...

Nazanin Armanian in the material published on Publico.es (Spain; source of translation - "InoSMI") notes that 4 in August, the US Secretary of State proposed the candidacy of Robert Ford for the position of the new US ambassador to Egypt, and Arab social networks immediately replicated the call “NoToRobertFord”. The man proposed by John Kerry was called the “new patron of terrorism in Egypt”, “nightmare” and “shaitan”. It was he who in 2004, along with John Negroponte, created death squads in Iraq. Having collapsed this country, he moved to Syria - as an ambassador. In January, 2011, when he took office, acts of terror and anti-Assad government attacks began in the UAR. Of course, the Egyptians fear that Washington intends to apply the same technique to their country.

The author notes and the Egyptian phenomenon of "hawk" McCain. The senator met with the generals in Cairo twice: before and after the coup. It is curious that, meanwhile, Barack Obama sent Deputy Secretary of State William Burns to Cairo: he visited the arrested leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Washington is allocating a billion dollars to the Egyptian army for 1,3, but the same army will receive as many 12 billions from Saudi Arabia and the UAE. The money will go to fight the army with the Muslim Brotherhood. The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia are the sworn enemies of the Brothers. According to the expert, if they achieve the entry of Egypt into the bloc, where Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Jordan and Morocco are already involved, this will change the balance of power from the eastern Mediterranean to the Persian Gulf.

Turkey will also get it: Erdogan will have to postpone the dream of exporting the Turkish model of Islamism. The Turkish Prime Minister, however, insured himself: he sent to prison dozens of military suspects of putschism. However, it faces a serious economic problem: around 250 Turkish companies have invested 2 billion dollars in Egypt.

But for Israel, unrest in Egypt is beneficial. Tel Aviv, the author notes, previously feared that the Muslim Brotherhood, entrenched in power, could break the Camp David Accords. Along with this, the Hamas movement weakened during the riots. In addition, the new emir of Qatar, Tamim al-Thani, dissociated himself from the Muslim Brotherhood and, most likely, would not finance Hamas.

"The Oded Yinon plan, according to which in the 80s it was proposed to split Israel’s neighbors, turn them into controlled mini-states of satellites and thus create the Great Israel, takes real shape: Lebanon, Iraq, Sudan, Syria, and now Egypt fall apart. Wesley Clark, the former commander of NATO forces in Europe, mentions the Clean Break report, prepared in 2000 by Benjamin Netanyahu and Deputy Secretary of Defense Richard Perlem. The document sets the task of dismantling seven countries within five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran. At the moment, apparently, Iran’s place on this list has been taken by Egypt.

Silently and unnoticed, Israel rebuilds its strategic environment, establishing influence from the Euphrates to the Nile. Along the way, he weakens US influence in this part of the world, where China and Russia are gradually strengthening their positions. ”


Now that is connected with Moscow. Russia, like America, did not condemn the coup in Egypt, the analyst notes. After all, the coup was directed against the Islamists. The Kremlin took advantage of the rise in oil prices, which jumped due to the threat to transport four million barrels a day through the Suez Canal. Comrade Putin was given the opportunity to play the role of arbitrator in the Egyptian conflict and restore the ties Moscow had with the Egyptian armed forces during the time of Gamal Abdel Nasser. The submission also notes that Russia made investments in the Egyptian oil and gas industry through LUKoil and Avatec.

Last year, Egypt received an offer of assistance and investment in the economy from China. China itself also needs the Suez Canal - for passage to the Mediterranean Sea, otherwise you will have to go around Africa.

The idea of ​​rapprochement of ARE with China does not like the United States. Therefore, N. Armanyan concludes that Washington will not allow an independent Egypt, and even more so, turning it into a Chinese ally.

Returning to the topic of Moscow and Cairo, it should be noted that rumors about V. Putin’s visit to Egypt were recently published in the media. The source of information for the media was the publication on the Israeli resource DEBKAfile.

It was reported that the President of Russia 7 August can meet in Cairo with the Minister of Defense of Egypt Al-Sisi. This “visit” is allegedly connected with the well-known visit to Moscow of 31 of July by the head of the Saudi intelligence. Prince Bandar bin Sultan and conveyed to comrade Putin the request of King Abdullah to stay in Cairo. Perhaps we could talk about some kind of agreement with the Egyptian military. Saudi Arabia could finance, for example, Russian supplies weapons army of egypt. The Saudis would give the money for weapons.

Obviously, this would be part of the very 12 billions mentioned by N. Armagnan.

Ali al-Sharnobi writes about the strengthening of Russia in Egypt and, accordingly, the weakening of the United States (Canada Free Press; source of translation - Mixednews.ru).

The analyst notes that the Middle East has become more like a chessboard on which the game between the USA and Russia is being played.

If the US military bases spread throughout the Persian Gulf, the Arabian, Mediterranean, Red Seas and the Pacific Ocean, then Russia has only one base in Syria. At the same time, the Free Army of Syria, headed by the Muslim Brotherhood, collaborates with MI-6 and the CIA. But now a new chess game has begun in Egypt.

The author points out that the Obama administration is full of supporters of the Muslim Brotherhood, dissatisfied with the overthrow of the Islamists in Egypt. After all, "Brothers" for years funded and trained the CIA.

However, Barack Obama in politics is not a secret. The US administration, the author writes, "does not know where to direct its policy, looks confused and ignores the facts." US Ambassador to Egypt Ann Patterson lost her status, which was just the result of the blatant US bias in favor of the Brothers. The Egyptians believe that Obama does not understand what is happening. “The United States simply looks half-eyed and speak in a trembling voice,” the expert says ironically. “It seems Obama and his administration have put the wrong horse, and that makes them a target of sharp criticism both at home and abroad.”

But Russians are not asleep.

“In the meantime, the gluttonous Russian Bear is hungry, and therefore highly motivated. After the fall of the Brotherhood government, the Russians hastily extended a helping hand to the new Egyptian government with Al-Sisi at the head. Putin expressed willingness to provide Egypt with the same amount of assistance as compensation. The Russian president even demonstrated a strong desire to visit Egypt with the new government in order to bless the revolution and help the Egyptians in their crisis. With this move, Putin broke the map of the overshot Obama and his administration. On Thursday, Obama announced that he would cancel the already planned military exercises with the Egyptian army, giving the starving Russian bear another favorable opportunity - to begin military exercises with Egypt. ”


Further more. A spokesman for the provisional president of Egypt announced that the authorities were considering freezing diplomatic relations with the United States and closing their embassy in Cairo. Such harsh measures - payment for the intervention of Washington in the internal affairs of Egypt and the support of terrorist groups that threaten the national security of the country.

It’s time for Russia to establish its presence in Egypt. Putin is already working in this direction: he made it clear that Russia will block any resolution in the UN Security Council that the Western camp will try to hold.

China expressed a desire to stand in this matter next to Russia.

Ali al-Sharnobi believes that the United States and its allies will be the losers. They and their agents inside Egypt are now trying to draw the country into a civil war in order to impose Egypt's foreign intervention. The author also recalls that the Egyptians today view the policy of the American administration as an indulgence in murder and terror. People in Egypt recall that the Soviet Union helped the Egyptian army more than anyone and without compensation.

The heat of geopolitical passions around Egypt reached the point that Obama interrupted his vacation in order to pronounce the veiled panegyric "Muslim Brotherhood." The speech must have been written this time not by Obama's speechwriter, but dictated by the Islamist supporters in the administration.

Having said that the US cancels the joint military exercises scheduled for September, Obama said:

“The Egyptian people deserve a better share than what we have seen in recent days. And turning to the Egyptian people, I would like to say that the vicious circle of violence must be broken. We call on the Egyptian authorities to respect human rights. We call on those who protest to do so peacefully, and condemn the attacks carried out by demonstrators, including attacks on churches. We are confident that the state of emergency should be lifted, that the process of national reconciliation should begin, that all parties need a voice in Egypt’s future, that the rights of women and religious minorities should be respected, all obligations must be fulfilled to ensure transparent reform of the constitution and holding democratic elections for parliament and president. "


This paragraph needs light decoding.

“Human rights” are the rights of disadvantaged Islamists, languishing either under house arrest or in prisons. The fact that “the state of emergency must be abolished” sounds naturally like a pre-war slogan: in the country there are massacres, clashes, arsons, and Obama almost advises to switch to tolstovstvo. A state of emergency and a curfew are nothing more than tools to control the military situation. Cancellation will mean weakening the army and strengthening the "Brothers." The statement “all parties need the right to vote in the future of Egypt” is clearly addressed to the army, which should give freedom to the “Brothers” (they are about to be disbanded). The instructions on “transparent reform of the constitution and holding democratic elections of the parliament and the president” perfectly characterize the confusion of Obama and those behind him: after all, there were already reforms of the constitution and the holding of democratic elections in Egypt - and the person (Mursi) was chosen Obama and his then state secretary applauded.

Obama hastened to disown the fact that the White House is writing scripts for Egypt. “America cannot determine the future of Egypt,” said this dove of peace. “This is the work of the Egyptian people ...”

Well, then do not be surprised, Mr. President, that the Egyptian people turned their backs on you and their faces - the Russians. Egyptian people only doing their job. In addition, Cairo wants to get back the tourists from Moscow.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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  1. Sewer
    Sewer 21 August 2013 06: 53 New
    -49
    Yes, no one will fight for anything! In our country, chaos is happening, tariffs are rising, everything is growing, who will fight?
    1. xetai9977
      xetai9977 21 August 2013 07: 18 New
      +4
      Russia has no levers of pressure on Egypt, and the Americans have a lot of them. Egypt was lost for the USSR (read Russia) in the mid-70s, when Sadat proclaimed the western path of development and American money and American weapons poured into the country. Since then, the Egyptian military thousands of bonds connected with the Americans, and any Egyptian leadership too.
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 21 August 2013 07: 56 New
        23
        Apart from the fact that a significant portion of tourists come from Russia, and tourism in Egypt is a budget-forming industry. And besides, wheat is also from Russia there.
        1. KG_patriot_last
          KG_patriot_last 21 August 2013 12: 06 New
          +2
          Yes, the Russians not only feed Egypt, but also Turkey. In general, almost all of their "friends".

          It would be better if we went to IK.
      2. Papakiko
        Papakiko 21 August 2013 11: 43 New
        +3
        Quote: xetai9977
        Russia has no leverage over Egypt, and the Americans have a ton of them.

        The answer to you is small but-but-but-oo .. and not only.
        Quote: sergey32
        Apart from the fact that a significant portion of tourists come from Russia, and tourism in Egypt is a budget-forming industry. And besides, wheat is also from Russia there.

        The most interesting thing is that 12 lard is flashed. They are "offered" to Russia for the surrender of Syria, and now to Egypt. A kind of game of sifu. This year, the big reconstruction of the Suez Canal worth 5,2 billion dollars is coming to an end. According to the results of which the channel will be able to pass supertankers and supercontainer ships. By the way, an interesting fact - the chairman of the Suez Canal Administration is (was) Admiral Ahmed Fadel. Attracting ears to a donkey in the form of mega-interests of Russia and China in a showdown in Egypt is a bad habit and in the interest of a mattress and a gayrope.
        The money will go to the army’s battle with the Muslim Brotherhood. Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia - sworn enemies of the "Brothers"
        Request to Oleg.
        Please write as it is and not as broadcast by the BBC and CNNE.
        It is the norm for geyrops and a mattress to designate the left hand as an enemy of the right hand. (AlcoEda, brothers and salmyans and Toliban)
        For the rest, merci.
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 21 August 2013 16: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: xetai9977
        Russia has no levers of pressure on Egypt, and the Americans have a lot of them. Egypt was lost for the USSR (read Russia) in the mid-70s, when Sadat proclaimed the western path of development and American money and American weapons poured into the country. Since then, the Egyptian military thousands of bonds connected with the Americans, and any Egyptian leadership too.

        Nothing is eternal. The Egyptians are not fools and understand what the United States is preparing for them. They do not want a second Libya on their land. Financial assistance from the United States is not as significant for Egypt as it was 20 years ago. Moreover, politicians strongly connected with the United States were ground by the "Arab Spring", and those who come today do not want to sign a deal with the devil.
        Russia can offer Egypt no less than the United States. These are food supplies and arms supplies, and political lobbying. And in conjunction with China, which is also interested in increasing its role in this region, Egypt’s financial problems are being resolved.

        For Russia, Egypt itself is so far not so significant, if we can talk about the leading country of the Islamic world. However, Syria is much more priority, the problems of which are solved with the participation of Egmpt. Russia, having supported and preserved the Shiite crescent Iran-Iraq-Syria, is blocking the growth of US influence in Central Asia, including the growth of the Islamist Salafi movement. Egypt in this situation is just a coincidence, which is not silly to take advantage of.
    2. regdan
      regdan 21 August 2013 07: 28 New
      -4
      You forgot to mention the alien attack on flying pasties.
    3. eplewke
      eplewke 21 August 2013 09: 12 New
      +7
      Another anti-Putin agitator. A lot of them have lately. Everything is bad for the country, we are falling apart and blah blah blah ... Do not live in Russia then, just do not like it! Get in the geyropu!
    4. anip
      anip 21 August 2013 10: 08 New
      +1
      How illiterate it is written. Russian would not hurt you to learn.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 21 August 2013 14: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: anip
        How illiterate it is written. Russian would not hurt you to learn
        - most likely, hell is non-Russian laughing laughing laughing As I laughing laughing Only he also has no sense of common sense.
    5. Arabist
      Arabist 21 August 2013 13: 18 New
      0
      Russian tighten up.
  2. Bort radist
    Bort radist 21 August 2013 07: 19 New
    +7
    It is difficult to fight on two fronts. States brought the whole world into the sphere of their interests, wherever you spit - the American front line. It seems to disentangle the consequences of its exclusivity, there are not enough spoons. The sour banks, it seems, were not gentle, but they got drunk.
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 21 August 2013 09: 15 New
      +2
      The situation is complicated, as the Americans said above, there are many levers of pressure, but on the country's elites! In any case, in this situation, we can win a little, I'm not saying that on a global level, Egypt will become our protégé, but something will definitely fall. We can snatch military contracts and crediting ...
      1. Ka-52
        Ka-52 21 August 2013 15: 14 New
        +2
        If at least 10% of those 12 milliliters. will fall into our defense industry, then Russia is in the black!
        And the resorts will not become smaller. And you need to develop your travel industry. (Roads, service)
        And then a lot of money goes to the side, + a lot of subsidized regions, with beautiful places and with zero infrastructure ... request
        1. alone
          alone 21 August 2013 23: 17 New
          0
          Egypt once crap one's pants when he began to switch from Soviet to Western weapons. The Egyptian military admitted that the army has lost combat effectiveness for 5 years. I don’t think that they will step on the same puddle twice. They need a different approach. You can try to start with economic methods. Investment in Egypt the economy
  3. a52333
    a52333 21 August 2013 07: 43 New
    +6
    In principle, subject to this scenario
    a) Obamov stomps on the spot
    b) Arabia throws money
    c) The army continues to take successful steps (such as the closure of Al-Jazeera, the arrest of the Brotherhood)
    perhaps the situation is normalizing. Unfortunately, the resources of the Russian Federation are not the same as those of the USA and China. But I would like to hope that the old connections and developments work out + understanding of the Egyptians, (a reasonable part of them) who is to blame for this situation.
  4. Revolver
    Revolver 21 August 2013 08: 22 New
    -3
    However, Barack Obama in politics is not a secret. The US administration, the author writes, "does not know where to direct its policy, looks confused and ignores the facts." US Ambassador to Egypt Ann Patterson lost her status, which was just the result of the blatant US bias in favor of the Brothers. The Egyptians believe that Obama does not understand what is happening. “The United States simply looks half-eyed and speak in a trembling voice,” the expert says ironically. “It seems Obama and his administration have put the wrong horse, and that makes them a target of sharp criticism both at home and abroad.”
    Perhaps the only part of the article with which you can agree. Everything else looks either inaccurate or not serious.
    1. apostrophe
      apostrophe 21 August 2013 09: 56 New
      +3
      All three horses from the Americans have long been bought and lured, therefore there is no profound difference between who wins in the end. Yes, and the chaos in the region, this is their goal.
      1. ivanovfarit
        ivanovfarit 21 August 2013 16: 18 New
        +1
        Unfortunately you are right. The most sane comment.
  5. serge-68-68
    serge-68-68 21 August 2013 08: 56 New
    +2
    1. Israel has just announced its support for the Egyptian army and has turned to the United States with a request not to freeze its financial assistance. Israel does not need the collapse of Egypt and Syria - it also does not need conflicts at its borders, and even more so - radical Islamists instead of secular rulers. Before Mursi, Israel had a long and good relationship with Egypt.
    2. Russia has nothing to oppose other players in Egypt, except for a warm handshake. Especially against the backdrop of $ 12 billion in Saudi Arabia. And therefore, she will not be a player either.
    1. apostrophe
      apostrophe 21 August 2013 10: 00 New
      +2
      Well, judging by the bombing attacks on Syria, Israel is ready to be friends with the canals.
    2. Micex
      Micex 21 August 2013 11: 32 New
      +4
      Russia provides grain, remember, even in the drought, the contract with Egypt was fulfilled, and a large contract. Tourists, where without them. The main thing that the Russian Federation can provide is its strengthening position, it is obvious to everyone that this is not the country that was in the 90s.
  6. individual
    individual 21 August 2013 09: 05 New
    +2
    The United States is losing ground in Egypt.
    The vacuum needs to be urgently filled, while on parity terms with China, and to prevent revenge of the Islamists, both "brothers" and the Wahhabis.
    1. sub307
      sub307 21 August 2013 23: 06 New
      +1
      It is necessary, otherwise "a holy place is never empty."
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  8. Grbear
    Grbear 21 August 2013 09: 17 New
    +3
    "The East is a delicate matter, Petruha ..." The subtlety is that the "eastern friend" recognizes real power and money. Their notions of honor are further than secondary.
    It’s impossible to outbid, but you need to play. So far it turns out, judging by the office. statements and informal. Washington’s actions.
  9. july
    july 21 August 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    There is no need to concretize about Egypt, there is too much uncertainty, but as for Russia's participation in building new relations, this is most likely, but we must not forget that although Moscow's political will is clearly awakening in recent years, nevertheless, there are apparently invisible factors to all of us, for example in Syria, our leadership has taken a very interesting policy - the defense of Syria on the "organizational" fronts and a clear distance from actions directly, which on the one hand unties our hands, and on the other hand allows us to act from a position of strength. But in any case, Moscow is unlikely to leave Egypt to chance.
  10. Luger
    Luger 21 August 2013 09: 27 New
    +3
    In my opinion, our tourists, no matter how paradoxical it sounds, but play a role to some extent a deterrent factor, a factor forcing at least in some part of the country not to slide into the abyss of the anarchy of the revolutionary state. Judge for yourself, in the recreation areas, the maintenance of order is higher, and there is no destruction, the army is guarding everything, again, the same supporters of the "brothers" in Egypt understand that scare the tourists, they may not return for a long time, but where can they get the money? And those who run a tourist business in Egypt are also making every effort so that the situation does not slide into chaos. Although, of course, if something goes wrong, ours may not get sourly, and traditionally blame the Russian government for all their troubles.
  11. july
    july 21 August 2013 09: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Luger
    the same supporters of the "brothers" in Egypt understand that if you scare the tourists, they may not return for a long time, but where can they get the money?

    Well, this is unlikely, these same brothers are just the least of all about stability and think, their task is to sow chaos, they are "paid" for this, in these multi-moves someone has calculated what, the same factors can be used for different combinations , so Russia can become in their games not a stabilizing factor, but a bargaining chip in order to drag us into the conflict and then again blame us.
  12. Nick_1972
    Nick_1972 21 August 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    Before you take any action, you need to clearly understand why you are doing this (goal), whether you have opportunities to achieve the desired results and, in general, whether you need it or not. Most of the parties tied to the conflict in Egypt have these components. Both the USA and Israel, even China, each have their own goals in this situation, have opportunities for their implementation and corresponding motivation. Does Russia have all this? So far, the article follows the desire to cut down the dough by putting the Egyptian army weapons for Saudi money. Everything else: restore influence, ensure presence, etc. etc. vague and vague. As Seneca wrote: if you have no goal, no wind will be fair.
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 21 August 2013 10: 43 New
    +1
    Another Shoigu-prime minister would not hurt Russia to restore order in the country and then Putin could fully surrender to foreign policy, in this regard his potential and influence only grows stronger every year, like good wine.
  14. Fin
    Fin 21 August 2013 10: 58 New
    +1
    The Anglo-Saxons set fire to B. Vostok, North Africa, and now they themselves do not know what to do. Openly support br. Muslims, too, seem to be uncomfortable. Erdogan again rolls a barrel on Israel. Kurds will soon demand their state. The most interesting is yet to come. It’s good for us that we were a little distracted from Syria.
  15. abrakadabre
    abrakadabre 21 August 2013 11: 01 New
    +3
    And to frighten tourists means to strike at the pocket of the generals who removed Mursi from power.
    I don’t know how they’ll get scared there, but here’s what they will do in the best traditions of criminal clans, don’t go to the movies. And brutalized by the loss of income, they will begin the massacre among all these radicals already seriously.
    In any Muslim country, even during the Middle Ages, secular authorities always tried to keep the mullah on a leash. With all the external religiosity. But no secular khan / sultan / pasha wants to share power with the scumbags. And especially dance to their tune. And always in the east this was decided by massacre and terror.
  16. denson06
    denson06 21 August 2013 11: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: a52333
    In principle, subject to this scenario
    a) Obamov stomps on the spot
    b) Arabia throws money
    c) The army continues to take successful steps (such as the closure of Al-Jazeera, the arrest of the Brotherhood)
    perhaps the situation is normalizing. Unfortunately, the resources of the Russian Federation are not the same as those of the USA and China. But I would like to hope that the old connections and developments work out + understanding of the Egyptians, (a reasonable part of them) who is to blame for this situation.

    I will support the opponent ..
    And I will not support the statements in the comments "the USSR completely lost their influence in the 70s" .. what did the western orientation of the ARE lead to - terror and Muslim brothers .. I was there 2 weeks ago on vacation, talked with people .. to the Russians they treat well there - they still remember help in the Arab-Israeli conflict and not only .. so direct and the elderly woman guide said: "If it were not for your MIGs, air defense systems and military experts, we would not have Sharm El now -Sheikh, no Sinai Peninsula at all ... ". And then she thought and added: "Maybe we wouldn't have Egypt either."
  17. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 21 August 2013 11: 38 New
    0
    As in Syria, in Egypt Russia will not be alone in identifying its interests. China is already expressing its positions in unison with the Russians. ... you see more countries will catch up ... Iran, Iraq .... time will tell.
    But one thing is obvious now .... The states, led by Omamka, are losing their positions in the political arena ..... and this ... as they say in our hands .....
  18. july
    july 21 August 2013 11: 45 New
    0
    Quote: denson06
    And I will not support the statements in the comments "the USSR has completely lost their influence

    Your words, God’s ears ... I would like of course, the people remember and don’t forget the good, yes, but the generation of politicians has changed and the old values ​​are not in use, but it's a pity. Our people would also like a lot He also remembers, but for example, an iPhone player is at the door, and how many of them there are ...
  19. Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 21 August 2013 11: 58 New
    +2
    Oh, how good the USSR was - built everywhere power plants, factories .. trained. There - even in Africa they remember.
  20. Gomunkul
    Gomunkul 21 August 2013 12: 51 New
    0
    China also needs the Suez Canal - for access to the Mediterranean Sea, otherwise you have to go around Africa.
    There is still an alternative, the Northern Sea Route. wink
  21. T-73
    T-73 21 August 2013 12: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: Ram Chandra
    There - even in Africa they remember.

    how not to remember the attraction of unheard of generosity? Everything for free from the USSR. Just put your lips on Brezhnev and say the incantation - socialism is good! Of course, they also taught, including the military, but the students turned out to be the same: they also remember the Arab-Israeli wars. Personally, ARE does not seem to me to be the piece for which it is worth desperately fighting for and again pumping forces and resources into it. Get up on your feet - just throw. It will be hard again - they will remember the good USSR. At the level of assistance in the UN, pure commerce with "friends", tourism (if conditions allow) - that's all right. And so ...
  22. Megatron
    Megatron 21 August 2013 13: 43 New
    +3
    Russia does not need Egypt; we still have an incomprehensible situation in Syria.
    Right now, they will begin to minus again, but I will say if a civil war starts there, it’s even more profitable, the reasons:
    - skyrocketing oil prices
    - overlap of Suez, the export of Qatari and others like them will decrease, and there Iran can add something to them
    - Active transition to the NSR instead of suaec.
    - Distractions of various Islamists from Syria and Russia, they will grind in exhausting battles with the regular Egyptian army.
    1. Luger
      Luger 21 August 2013 14: 37 New
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      Well, how is it not needed? where are we going to sunbathe? 300 km the coastal strip of the Black Sea will not do the weather, the country is big, again in Egypt diving is valid :) But we will settle everything with Syria so we will sunbathe there.
      1. Gomunkul
        Gomunkul 21 August 2013 16: 19 New
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        where are we going to sunbathe?
        So here is an alternative to Egypt hi

        KG_patriot_last (1)  Today, 12:06 p.m. ↑


        Yes, the Russians not only feed Egypt, but also Turkey. In general, almost all of their "friends".

        It would be better if we went to IK
  23. kirpich
    kirpich 21 August 2013 14: 30 New
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    Quote: Megatron
    - Active transition to the NSR instead of suaec.


    Well, then we urgently need to build ice-class tankers, increase the number of icebreakers, and put all our efforts into the development of the Far North from Murmansk to Chukotka.
    What do you think forces, means and time is enough?
  24. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 21 August 2013 18: 46 New
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    Comrade Putin was given the opportunity to play the role of an arbiter in the Egyptian conflict and to restore ties that Moscow had with the armed forces of Egypt during the time of Gamal Abdel Nasser.

    It's time to re-learn the song "Write, my mother is in Egypt, how is it ...".
    Everything goes to this. Having declared al-Qaeda a terrorist organization, in fact, they entered into an alliance with them and smash the old regimes of the Arab East and Arab Africa ... No one has yet succeeded in praying to two different gods ... It will not work for the aMers ... they have failed. only in Syria ... but already in Egypt ... on the verge of a big "nix" Tunisia ... IRAQ began to look aside!
    So learn the old song ... but in a new way!
  25. Paul
    Paul 21 August 2013 22: 16 New
    +1
    support, support, support as grandfather Lenin said, but on the principle:

    "- Money in advance, in the morning - money,
    in the evening - chairs or in the evening -
    money, and the next day in the morning -
    chairs.
    - And maybe today - chairs, and
    tomorrow is money?
    “But I, sulking, a tormented man.”
    The soul does not accept such conditions. "
    1. alone
      alone 21 August 2013 23: 18 New
      +1
      such conditions have long been no one's soul accepts))))
  26. Megatron
    Megatron 21 August 2013 23: 47 New
    +1
    It is necessary to support only truly faithful allies, won the USSR supported Egypt, but what's the point? To us, to the amers turned around. And how many of these regimes, not counting all the pop-poars that have numbers.
  27. Russ69
    Russ69 22 August 2013 00: 43 New
    +1
    Geyropa, in the wake of his masters, imposed a ban on the supply of weapons to Egypt. Some other sanctions will be introduced and Egypt will have nowhere to go ...