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The United States is increasing the park tvertoplanov

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Bell and Boeing received a new five-year contract from the command aviation of the US Navy NAVAIR systems for the delivery of Osprey tiltrotors with vertical take-off and landing costing 4,9 billion dollars.


This contract is a further development of the basic agreement concluded on December 28 of 2012 worth 1,4 billion dollars, and provides for the supply of convertible planes within the 17-th production batch. The total value of the December and June contracts for the 2013 – 2017 period is 6,5 billion and provides for the production of the 17 batch of V-22 Osprey aircraft in 99 convertoplans, including 92 in the MV-22 variant for the Marine Corps (KMP ) and seven in the CV-22 version for command of the special forces of the US Air Force. According to the Pentagon, the contract for the period of 2013 – 2017 included an option for another 23 device, including 22 MV-22 and one CV-22.

Making a new five-year contract will allow the US Department of Defense to save one billion dollars compared to the cost of issuing annual contracts. All work on the supply of 99 rotary-winged cars must be completed in September 2019. In total, US forces are planning to purchase 458 convertiplanes, including 50 CV-22 for the Air Force, 48 MV-22 for the Navy, and 360 MV-22 for the KMP. The first five-year contract (2008 – 2012) for the purchase of X-NUMX convertiplanes worth 167 billion was issued to NAVAIR in 10,4 year. It provided for the purchase of 2008 MV-141 and 22 CV-26. The contract was later adjusted and five CV-22 and two MV-22 were added to it.

The X-NUMX convertible V-214 “Osprey” has been produced and is in operation of various modifications, which in total have flown almost 22 thousands of hours (according to other data, over 200 thousands of hours), and more than half of this time - over the past three years. As the magazine "Rotor & Wing", while the American convertibles have not reached high requirements for reliability. In particular, for one hour of flight of a device of this type, it takes about 185 hours of maintenance. Another issue for Osprey is the high price. Initially, Pentagon officials stated that the cost of one unit would be 18 million dollars, but in 58 the price of the product, including the Rolls-Royce engines, was 2012 million. The average cost of convertiplanes within the 67 production batch is 17 million dollars per unit, that is, it actually corresponds to the price of the device under the previous five-year contract.

Currently, the United States conducts an active marketing campaign to promote tiltrotor on the world market. Named, in particular, those countries that are negotiating the sale of Osprey: UAE (intend to purchase 10 devices), Israel (6), Qatar (12), Canada (12 – 15), Japan (6 – 10), Brazil (10). Requests for the provision of information on converters have also been received from the UK, Libya, Italy, India, Singapore and Australia. US Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel has promised Israel 17 convertible plans, although it is not yet clear which Israeli production vehicles will be purchased by the Israelis and when the contract will be signed. At his press conference in Tel Aviv 22 on April, Chuck Hagel announced new shipments of weapons to this state, which include the Osprey V-22 and can make this country the first foreign importer of this type of device. According to the Israeli Air Force Command, convertible planes or convertible aircraft (PLA), a hybrid of an aircraft and a helicopter with turning screws, can completely change the tactics of combat operations in the region. As one of the Israeli pilots who performed familiarization flights on the Osprey tiltrotor in the United States, these devices would be especially useful when performing tasks for evacuating special forces and the wounded, who were deep in the rear of the enemy. In addition, convertiplanes could act very effectively in the interests of the Israeli Navy. The Israeli Air Force commanders recommended that the Defense Ministry leadership purchase a V-22 batch, including several convertible plans for special operations, and also lease six to eight ground forces vehicles.

The main feature of the convertoplan is a unique combination of helicopter and aircraft qualities. Thanks to the rotary engines mounted on the ends of the small wing, it can take off and land vertically. During takeoff, the axis of rotation of the rotors is located like that of a helicopter, and in the air it turns “along the flight”, and the convertoplane continues to move like an airplane. This technical solution, which provides for the transformation of a helicopter into a plane and vice versa, significantly increases the speed and range of flight compared to classic rotary-wing machines. At the same time, the stability of the submarine on transient modes is provided by automatic equipment.

Osprey can carry up to 32 fully equipped paratroopers or nine tons of cargo, with a maximum speed of 565 kilometers per hour and a combat radius of 720 kilometers.

Earlier, the company "Boeing" reported interest in the acquisition of American convertiplanes of Canada, Germany, Japan, Norway and the UK. Her partner in converoplane production, Bell, a company of Textron, reported that the global market for this type of aircraft can range from 10 to 12 to countries interested in using them in various operations, including combat humanitarian and special. The US military emphasizes that the adoption of the Osprey convertiplanes continues to transform the SSF of the CMP and the United States Air Force, which ensures the implementation of such operations that cannot be entrusted to conventional aircraft. The intention to realize the export potential of Osprey and deliver it to the allied countries is connected with the desire of the development companies Boeing and Bell to keep the production of these aircraft after 2018. Attempts to draw attention to the convertoplane have been undertaken by American firms over the past years, but potential customers are interested in the specific results of their combat use, which are not yet available, and the selling price and operating costs are alarming. While allies of the United States are eyeing convertoplanes, the flight squadron of US President HMX-1 received the first convertible glider MV-22 "Osprey". This machine is the first of the 12 PLA, designed to replenish the presidential squadron. MV-22 converters from the HMX-1 squadron in special color will be assigned the task of passenger and transportation to support the presidential helicopter (Marine One). At present, these tasks are assigned to the CH-46E Sea Knight Boeing-Vertol helicopters. At the same time, the President of the United States will not fly on board the MV-22 convertoplane, and only the President’s staff and journalists of the presidential pool accompanying the first person in the United States on his trips will become his passengers. The flights of the first convertible of the MV-22 squadron HMX-1 began on April 26, however, representatives of the presidential staff and journalists of the presidential pool will take on board no earlier than the end of this year.
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  1. Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear 20 August 2013 11: 27 New
    +3
    we would have something like this
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 20 August 2013 11: 33 New
      +6
      video footage in the topic


      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 12: 00 New
        +2
        We also need similar cars. Technically, we can probably create a similar technique.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 August 2013 12: 14 New
          +3
          We have beautiful turntables, why do we need this under-plane?
          1. Fedych
            Fedych 20 August 2013 16: 05 New
            -1
            Is that so? - and that’s it. And what is it for 500 km per hour, and what only so far is like that, and make it maneuverable to support the troops at the level of our 24x - it will not seem a little. I am sure who needs, should and should already, and understand and think and are undertaking something mutually appropriate.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 20 August 2013 16: 15 New
              +2
              and make it maneuverable to support the troops at the level of our 24x - it will not seem a little.

              That's when they do, then we will discuss. In the meantime, even a machine gun is not visible on something. Bus damn ... even support airborne assault can not provide. What will these 500 km per hour give if a pair of anti-aircraft guns is (accidentally) at the landing point? Or fighters on the BMP? They crumble the landing, like eggs in okroshka.
              1. me
                me 20 August 2013 17: 10 New
                +4
                These are precisely such people, with such, let's say, overly conservative thinking, even with the same epaulets, who are sitting in our Ministry of Defense. Old lads ... the generals who dream of reaching out to retirement and sending all this service to us, who are afraid to recognize the achievements of technology, to accept something new. And really, why? We have anti-aircraft guns and bmp! And the fact that before landing they usually clear the terrain is not familiar to anyone, and how amers are cleared, I think everyone already knows - they stupidly bomb them.
                And they planned to install a six-barreled machine gun, so look do not crap yourself, if suddenly this crap hangs and is cut by the queue of your shack)
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 29 New
                  +1
                  Well, first of all, I’ll ask you. We did not drink and did not go to the bathhouse ... And it is not necessary to insult ..

                  And they planned to install a six-barreled machine gun, so look do not crap yourself, if suddenly this crap hangs and is cut by the queue of your shack)

                  S ..... as if he had not been blown up by that six-barreled machine gun. laughing He has a recoil oh, if not small, but here a flying trough, which is so shitty in the air, keeps pushing his machine gun ... as if the pilot himself .... obosratushki-pryatryushki.

                  And about the new and other achievements. Explain to me why the Americans first plow the land with good old tomahawks and bombs from old F-15s and F-16s, iron B-10s from 52 km, and then, suppressing all resistance, use the super-duper F-117, B-2 and other bells and whistles of military equipment ....
                  So everything new must have its place and time. And do not shove - oh, new, let's throw out the old and take it !!!
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                    1. me
                      me 20 August 2013 22: 57 New
                      +2
                      And this wise guy calls me a lazy bastard. He himself didn’t even explain what was bad about this transporter and slipped into banal insults)).
                  2. me
                    me 20 August 2013 22: 41 New
                    +4
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    S ..... as if he had not been blown up by that six-barreled machine gun.

                    Do you consider yourself smarter than Amer engineers? The A-10 generally has a slaughter machine gun, but for some reason it doesn’t carry it, but here’s the usual aviation machine, which they put on turntables with a return of a hundred kilograms, what can it smash ??

                    Quote: Wedmak
                    why do Americans first plow the land with good old tomahawks and bombs from old F-15s

                    I don't know what amers have in mind, but I guess it's just stupidly cheaper. Remember how we fought with the Georgians in August of the eighth, and here it is not even Georgians, but men in slippers, which are more complex than a Kalash in their life, cavemen. Is it worth spending smart bombs on them? Of course not!
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 20 August 2013 23: 20 New
                      0
                      The A-10 generally has a slaughter machine gun, but for some reason it doesn’t carry it

                      Why would it blow, there is a plane built around the gun. But the duration of the volley is still strictly limited.
                      and then the usual aviation, which they put on turntables with a return of a hundred kilograms, what can it smash ??

                      Those. Do you think that a turning moment of 100 kg is garbage? Plus the vibration is not weak.
                      What amers have in mind I do not know, but I assume that it is just stupidly cheaper.

                      That's it. Therefore, I do not understand the exclamations "we would be like this." It has no advantage over our turntables !!
              2. old man54
                old man54 21 August 2013 00: 56 New
                +2
                Quote: Wedmak
                In the meantime, even a machine gun is not visible on something. Damn bus

                look bad! Just the machine gun is very visible, in the doorway to the turret! hi
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 21 August 2013 09: 27 New
                  +1
                  Just the machine gun is very visible, in the doorway to the turret!

                  I meant the built-in machine gun or gun.
            2. avt
              avt 20 August 2013 17: 45 New
              0
              Quote: Fedych
              and make it maneuverable to support the troops at the level of our 24x - it will not seem a little. I am sure who needs, should and should already, and understand and think and are undertaking something mutually appropriate.

              I strongly recommend that if you still want to compare this pepelats with the Mi-24 as a percussion, look for the Mi-24 layouts that the late Miles worked on at the stage of the conceptual design and models, immediately you will start to talk nonsense with aplomb, well, with an adequate attitude.
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 20 August 2013 12: 14 New
          +4
          There were projects. But the topic is specific. Yes, and those days have passed to build it does not matter if only as in the United States. I don’t think that in the near future our topic will be closely tackled. Although we'll see.
          First Mi - 30
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 August 2013 12: 19 New
            +3
            Ours if tightly engaged, on the pylons will not be screws, but turbojet engines will stand.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 20 August 2013 12: 21 New
              +4
              Question. What for? They grabbed the topic back in 50, did not develop it. A tiltrotor in the form in which it is, the car is controversial, my IMHO of course.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 20 August 2013 13: 03 New
                +3
                A tiltrotor in the form in which it is, the car is controversial, my IMHO of course.

                In which there is - I agree. But put jet engines on it ...
                http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/297/pqzk665.jpg
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        3. Per se.
          Per se. 20 August 2013 20: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          We also need similar cars.
          The death of the Soviet Union prevented our Mi-30 from being brought to mind. Those in power will have a desire, perhaps it’s still possible to really return to this development, as well as on the topic of VTOL, until we are forever behind. On the photo modification Mi-30С.
        4. APASUS
          APASUS 20 August 2013 20: 31 New
          +3
          Quote: Ruslan_F38
          We also need similar cars. T

          With such characteristics, well, get them away!
          until the American convertiplanes reached high reliability requirements. In particular, for one hour of flight of an apparatus of this type, about 18 hours of routine maintenance are necessary.

          Better let the MI-8 upgrade
          1. Per se.
            Per se. 20 August 2013 20: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: APASUS
            With such characteristics, well, get them away!
            With such wishes, we would have remained without jet aircraft after the Second World War. Good features are not known to appear instantly.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 53 New
              +1
              With such wishes, we would have remained without jet aircraft after the Second World War. Good features are not known to appear instantly.

              It is one thing when a completely new technique appears, piston aircraft versus jet, another when it’s similar, with the same characteristics and increased headache.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 20 August 2013 21: 36 New
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                another when similar, with the same characteristics and increased headache.
                Let me disagree with you, dear Denis. Firstly, a similar technique, in our case, it would be the same helicopters, and if they, without bringing a new one, would promise only hemorrhoids, who would argue. This is not the same, but fundamentally new. The tiltrotor, I do not open America, allows vertical take-off, like a helicopter, and a speed much higher than that of a helicopter. In addition, it has a significantly longer range. For you, this is nonsense, a hopeless topic? Secondly, personally, I do not consider the Yankees to be fools who would spend money on "hafno", just as I do not think the Soviet engineers who worked on the Mi-30 and Yak-141 were fools.
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 20 August 2013 22: 04 New
                  +3
                  I allow myself to disagree with you, dear Denis.

                  This is your right, let's debate. smile
                  . A tiltrotor, I don’t open America, allows for vertical take-off, in a helicopter, and develops a speed much higher than that of a helicopter.

                  Let's get it in numbers.
                  V-22
                  Maximum speed:
                  in airplane mode - 580 km / h;
                  in helicopter mode - 185 km / h.
                  Cruising speed - 396 km / h (at sea level).
                  Mi-8T
                  Top speed - 260 km / h
                  Cruising speed - 225 km / h
                  Notice at sea level. And in the mountains, where the air is more rarefied? But here you are right, the speed is still higher.
                  In addition, it has a significantly larger radius of action.

                  V-22 combat radius - 690 km;
                  Mi-8T practical range - 480 km (by the way, is it the same thing? I'm not sure)
                  Well .. to much further. But the Mi-171 is already 590 km away. 100 km difference ... Mi-172 - 715 km. Now they are ahead of us.
                  For you, this is nonsense, a hopeless topic?

                  It would be promising if the characteristics differed at least twice. And you can’t do with one horizontal speed. Payload, economy, ceiling, cost of operation ...
                  Secondly, I personally do not think the Yankees are fools who would spend money on "hafno"

                  I agree with you, the Yankees are not fools, they know how to count money. Well, what can you do if they have aircraft carriers, helicopter carriers, and the speed of the helicopter does not suit them, but they like "serial experiments"?
                  as I do not consider fools of Soviet engineers who were involved in the Mi-30 and Yak-141.

                  I agree the same. But one thing to do, and to launch a car in a series with very extraordinary characteristics is another. This is an American disease: first a series, and then the finalization of machines. I think the examples are known to you. VTOL rake too.
                  1. Windbreak
                    Windbreak 20 August 2013 23: 00 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    Cruising speed - 396 km / h (at sea level).
                    A Boeing site says about 443 km / h
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    V-22 combat radius - 690 km;
                    Mi-8T practical range - 480 km (by the way, is it the same thing? I'm not sure)
                    These are different things. The combat radius in both directions (690 km there and 690 km back), and the range in one
                  2. Per se.
                    Per se. 20 August 2013 23: 09 New
                    0
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    It would be promising if the characteristics differed at least twice.
                    So, dashing trouble - the beginning! The helicopter has already been squeezed out in its capabilities, at least in the classical version, and with tiltrotors, everything is just beginning. By the way, if Stalin had not put into production the practically raw Yak-1, LaGG-3 and our other new aircraft, they probably would not have had to deal with their fine-tuning. I won't say about their interest for the mattress toppers, but since the guys are in a hurry, there is probably a reason. VTOL, in my opinion, does not have any "rake", we were the best with the Yak-141, and now we are in a rotten anus, we sit and sneer at the F-35, which, no doubt, will be brought to mind and released by the hundreds and thousands copies for the coming war.
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 20 August 2013 23: 24 New
                      0
                      VTOL, in my opinion, has no "rake"

                      You should not think so. Efficiency, combat load, range are fundamentally different from conventional aircraft.
                      we were the best with the Yak-141, and now we are in a rotten anus, sitting and mocking at the F-35, which, no doubt, will bring to mind and release the plane in hundreds and thousands of copies for the upcoming war.

                      Wait and see. So far, the best implementation of VTOL is the British Harrier. But this is an attack aircraft, not a fighter.
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 21 August 2013 06: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        You should not think so. Efficiency, combat load, range are fundamentally different from conventional aircraft.

                        Let's try to summarize. First, VTOL, if not necessary, can take off according to the classical pattern, can use a short start or a vertical one (like a vertical landing). Conventional aircraft have no such choice. Second, kilometer runways are potential targets, along with all the planes attached to them. No one would engage in VTOL aircraft, without its alluring prospects for use in a large war, allowing them to take off from any pit and small ships, its camouflage and survival capabilities. Any island, any piece of land, can become the base for such aircraft at the right time. All this is worth what the Yak-141 was created for, for which the Yankees engaged with the F-35. In conclusion, I want to note that it is vertical and shortened take-off that prevails in wildlife, this ensures better survival of the species. Sooner or later, the convertiplanes and VTOL aircraft will occupy their niche in aviation, this is the inevitable evolution of technology. Not be late for us, with its vicious philosophy and doubts.
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 21 August 2013 09: 43 New
                        +1
                        Sooner or later, the convertiplanes and VTOL aircraft will occupy their niche in aviation, this is the inevitable evolution of technology. Not be late for us, with its vicious philosophy and doubts.

                        I don’t argue, they will take their place. But they will only take it when they meet the requirements of the time.
                2. Taoist
                  Taoist 21 August 2013 00: 13 New
                  +4
                  The combat radius, this means that the machine must fly there, complete the task there (usually it takes about 15 minutes of maneuvering over the target) and return.
                  The practical range is where the car can fly after landing the so-called "navigation fuel". Those. even from your numbers it is clear that the radus of Osprey's action is almost THREE times higher than 8k. and twice MI172.
                  By the way (for reference), the helicopter’s speed decreases with height because the rotor is reduced and the vertical component of the thrust needs to be increased. The tiltrotor in airplane mode is the opposite.
                3. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 14 New
                  -2
                  That's just funny - Osprey with two refueling in the air calmly made 4500 km.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 20 August 2013 21: 29 New
            +2
            Quote: Per se.
            With such wishes, we would have remained without jet aircraft after the Second World War. Good features are not known to appear instantly.

            Of course, I'm sorry, but Osprey is not a newbie to get sick with childhood diseases!
            The car is over 25 years old and now there is a question of reliability!
            And such things as routine maintenance for one hour of flight, generally money down the drain!
            You look at the way the jet aircraft you mentioned has traveled during this time. The same helicopter has undergone some changes. If this is such a wonderful machine, why didn't the states sell hundreds to other countries like the same F-16.
            And now we are talking about procurement by other countries 2-3-10 this is not even a party
            1. Per se.
              Per se. 20 August 2013 22: 03 New
              0
              Quote: APASUS
              Of course, I'm sorry, but Osprey is not a newbie to get sick with childhood diseases!
              Excuse me too, it's easier not to do anything, only after it will be too late to drink Borjomi. Any, the most used aircraft, continue to be adjusted in each new modification, but still, there is and will be its own percentage of breakdowns and failures. They have been dealing with a combat laser for more than a dozen years, you can also poke around a bunch on this topic and praise the reliable Kalash. New military equipment does not appear due to whims, but due to technical progress and evolution of military affairs, forgive me for the banal morality, and here, whoever did not have time, he may be late forever, especially when years are needed for fine-tuning.
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 21 August 2013 19: 39 New
                0
                Quote: Per se.
                The new military equipment does not appear on whims, but due to technological progress and the evolution of military affairs, forgive the banal morality, and here, who did not have time, he can be late for good, especially when it takes years to fine-tune.

                It's time to understand that this is a dead end branch, specifically this machine.
                At the moment, the helicopter is more reliable and cheaper. Perhaps the following ..... toplans will be more successful. And I am not at all against progress, it’s just time for this machine. To upgrade what is not being upgraded ???
      2. svp67
        svp67 21 August 2013 00: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        Technically, we can probably create a similar technique.

        Of course, since the history of such aircraft is very long
        Under the leadership of B.N.Yuriev in 1934-1936. student FP Kurochkin developed a project of the Sokol VTOL fighter with rotary propellers, surpassing the well-known projects of foreign VTOL aircraft in terms of development, but remaining unknown for a long time.

        The name of Konstantin Vladimirovich Pelenberg (Shulikov), who worked at OKB-155 under the direction of A.I. Mikoyan from the day it was founded, is not known to a wide circle of aviation enthusiasts. Nevertheless, it was this engineer who developed on a proactive basis a fundamentally new project for a shortened takeoff and landing airplane. The design revolution was the presence of a power plant with a variable thrust vector.

        Project Sh.N. Khutsishvili

        Mi30
    2. studentmati
      studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      video footage in the topic




      Wonderful video collection! good Thank j Apollon
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 20 August 2013 23: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: studentmati
        Wonderful video collection! thank


        Thank you hi try my best repeat
        1. Alex 241
          Alex 241 20 August 2013 23: 10 New
          +3
          Oh! The whole "gang" has gathered! laughing
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 14 New
            0
            Quote: Alex 241
            Oh! The whole "gang" has gathered!


            Good night everybody!

            The product is extremely aesthetically beautiful! Inspires absolute confidence in victory! But too expensive "toy" ... And I suppose it requires extraordinary skill in operation?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 15 New
              -1
              Probably yes. But the Israeli pilots were delighted with him. They say it boasts incredible opportunities.
  • Spectrum
    Spectrum 20 August 2013 11: 37 New
    +2
    I immediately remembered Fallout and Vertibeds
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 20 August 2013 11: 38 New
    16
    Excellent, large, low-maneuverable target. If one engine is damaged, the chance of flying away is 0.
    1. Manager
      Manager 20 August 2013 13: 07 New
      +4
      Quote: Wedmak
      Excellent, large, low-maneuverable target. If one engine is damaged, the chance of flying away is 0.


      In a helicopter, it’s certainly easier and faster ......
      1. sub307
        sub307 20 August 2013 13: 12 New
        +2
        Are there helicopters with a speed of 580 km / h?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 August 2013 13: 20 New
          +3
          Are there helicopters with a speed of 580 km / h?

          No, but is it necessary?
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 20 August 2013 22: 57 New
            +1
            Often - yes, it is necessary.
        2. studentmati
          studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 09 New
          0
          Quote: sub307
          Are there helicopters with a speed of 580 km / h?


          Materials and technologies do not yet allow!
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 August 2013 13: 19 New
        +1
        In a helicopter, it’s certainly easier and faster ......

        Perhaps not faster, but certainly easier.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 August 2013 22: 57 New
          0
          The club is also simple. Is she better than an automaton?
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 August 2013 23: 26 New
            0
            The club is also simple. Is she better than an automaton?

            Watching where to apply ... soldier From around the corner, very comfortable, silently and without killing.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 11 New
              +1
              About that and speech. Do not compare helicopters with a tiltrotor. He has many advantages that are not available to a clean helicopter. Nobody cancels helicopters yet.
    2. novobranets
      novobranets 20 August 2013 17: 07 New
      +6
      What happens if one of the engines fails?

      Each engine is paired with an additional gearbox located in the fuselage, so that if necessary, one engine can rotate two propellers at once. “Thanks to such a combined transmission,” says special forces pilot Brian Luce, “I can fly on one engine for at least a whole day, unless the device is overloaded and I try to climb too high.” Http://www.popmech.ru/article / 11227-konvertoplan-osprey-dorog-nen
      adezhen-vostrebovan /
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 31 New
        0
        Thanks to such a combined transmission, ”says special forces pilot Brian Luce,“ I can fly on one engine for at least a whole day, unless the device is overloaded and I try to climb too high

        Yeah, yeah .... if everything was so simple ... Something I doubt these heroic words.
        1. novobranets
          novobranets 20 August 2013 17: 56 New
          +3
          Actually, I also do not like this fan, I looked at the statistics of accidents, they fall like leaves in the fall. But in fairness, I must admit, the advantages of this idea are. winked
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 13 New
            +1
            But in fairness, I must admit, the advantages of this idea are.

            I agree, the idea is good, interesting, that's just a clumsy implementation. Which incidentally happens with all new cars.
            1. novobranets
              novobranets 21 August 2013 14: 32 New
              0
              The first pancake is always lumpy. Identify deficiencies, eliminate, this is a matter of time. And the existing developments are worth a lot. No matter how hopeless we fall behind. A tiltrotor is not a thing of prime necessity, but not useless either.
          2. Pimply
            Pimply 20 August 2013 23: 00 New
            0
            Well, I would not say. Falling - but within acceptable limits, quite understandable for the new technology.
  • a52333
    a52333 20 August 2013 11: 43 New
    +3
    We have MI-26, the speed is really lower
    1. rumpeljschtizhen
      rumpeljschtizhen 20 August 2013 13: 45 New
      +1
      of course less speed 2 times
      1. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 20 August 2013 17: 11 New
        +1
        Quote: rumpeljschtizhen
        of course less speed 2 times

        But in the Mi-26 climbs 70 paratroopers or 20 tons of cargo (twice as much)
        A tiltrotor is a promising thing for the Russian expanses and areas with virtually no roads, it is necessary to develop.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 20 August 2013 23: 01 New
          +1
          These are different machines according to the end and tasks.
  • USNik
    USNik 20 August 2013 11: 57 New
    +2
    US president will not fly aboard MV-22 tiltrotor plane, and only presidential staff and journalists will be its passengers

    And why doesn't Lamb want to fly to Osprey? Really not very reliable engines were afraid? Or does the automation responsible for the transitional regime not inspire confidence? Well, it’s not a pity for journalists and secretaries, if anything, he’ll pick up more ...
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 20 August 2013 23: 02 New
      0
      Or he does not need much - Osprey is primarily needed for long-distance flights.
  • Sirocco
    Sirocco 20 August 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    And if the US leaders beat their heads against the wall? Will we also try to repeat these experiments?
    The main feature of the tiltrotor is a unique combination of helicopter and aircraft qualities.
    It seems to me that he has the same unique qualities as the F-35. lol
  • valokordin
    valokordin 20 August 2013 12: 08 New
    +2
    The value of a tiltrotor will manifest itself during hostilities. Probably we can do it too, but whether we need them. Speed ​​of 500 km / h, not much more than the Aligator, then what is its usefulness? But all the same, the Americans are not fools, maybe this is their way of mastering the budget.
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 20 August 2013 13: 51 New
      10
      the main advantage of tiltroplanes is a better power-to-payload ratio than any other helicopter. And this is both speed (unattainable for helicopters in principle) and range. By the way, the main impetus for the development of this machine was the "Iranian crisis" - when, due to the insufficient range of the helicopters, the operation to free the hostages failed. At the same time, the tiltrotor retains the main tactical advantage of the helicopter - the ability to work from unprepared sites. (By the way, this is one of the main reasons why jet tiltrotors (the same German SUD) were not brought to mind ... they cannot work from the ground in principle. Transport-assault tiltrotors are very promising, it is a pity that we do not even have a promising groundwork in this regard. Although at one time work on this topic was carried out very actively.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 August 2013 14: 06 New
        +5
        this is a better power-to-payload ratio than any helicopter.

        Partly true. But also the tiltrotor is more complicated and expensive to operate, has large dimensions, is poorly controlled and, as a result of heavy loads on engines and pylons, is not as reliable as a helicopter. So all the pluses overlap with the minuses. This does not give him the road to the civilian sector.
        While simple and reliable, like a cork, the Mi-8 sold dozens of hundreds of copies in different versions around the world.
        1. Taoist
          Taoist 20 August 2013 17: 29 New
          +1
          Miracles do not happen, you have to pay for any improvement in performance. However, I would not rush about the lack of prospects in the civil sector ... As experience shows, technologies tend to develop ... in the end, the same famous "flying car" Skycar is quite a flying tiltrotor whose main problem is not technology at all, but the lack of appropriate legislative framework.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 48 New
            0
            As experience shows, technologies tend to develop ...

            I completely agree with you. We discuss Osprey in its current form. And in its current form, he did not leave far from the helicopter.
            1. Taoist
              Taoist 20 August 2013 20: 47 New
              +2
              Well, why ... ceteris paribus, it’s twice as fast with twice as much radius of action. A fairly noticeable increase in performance compared to helicopters identical in take-off weight and payload. Is operation more expensive? Well, that’s also not twice ... The gain is obvious and the prospect is more than promising.
              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 56 New
                0
                ceteris paribus is twice as fast

                Almost doubled. And then - the maximum. Cruising just one and a half times.
                with double the range.

                The range is a couple of hundred kilometers away.
                A fairly noticeable increase in performance compared to helicopters identical in take-off weight and payload.

                Honestly, I did not notice significant growth ... and the gain is not very ... But in the future, yes, we will look at further development.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 20 August 2013 21: 12 New
                  +1
                  It is planned to place a cannon turret in the nose compartment, and equip air-to-air missiles.
                  1. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 20 August 2013 21: 18 New
                    +2
                    It is planned to place a cannon turret in the nose compartment, and equip air-to-air missiles.

                    Well, let's see how they do it. And how will he react to the fire from the cannon and the dumping of rockets.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 20 August 2013 21: 26 New
                      0
                      Denis, well, I don't think that a "volcano" will be put there, most likely a "gatling" of a rifle caliber. Well, the missiles will not have much influence. In extreme cases, they will be fired from an AKU.
                      1. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 20 August 2013 21: 45 New
                        +1
                        God be with you, of course not a "volcano". But let it be 20 mm. Less hardly makes sense.
                        But now remember, I think everyone saw how our crocodiles shoot from a 2-barrel GSh-23, and how it deviates from a 2-3 second salvo. And here on a more unstable gatling platform. Yes Osprey will be so sausage, it will not seem a little. Maybe they will do something, install a gun in the center of mass, or something else ... doubtful. Osprey is heavier again.
                        Missiles ... a maaaalenky question that appears right away: Osprey's propellers in airplane mode protrude far below the belly, how will he launch rockets? There will not always be a reserve of height to reset them and then start. Putting them in the cockpit will change the already unstable alignment.
                      2. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 August 2013 21: 50 New
                        +1
                        Denis, I wrote AKU.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 August 2013 21: 54 New
                        0
                        ...........................................
                      4. Wedmak
                        Wedmak 20 August 2013 22: 08 New
                        0
                        And .. I'm sorry, I did not quite understand.
                      5. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 20 August 2013 22: 12 New
                        0
                        Aircraft Ejection Devices.It is intended for external suspension, transportation and providing combat launch or emergency missile release
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 20 August 2013 22: 01 New
                    +1
                    And I think the guns will be enough and such.
                  3. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 20 August 2013 22: 14 New
                    +1
                    Six-barrel 12.7 mm? Do you think it will be effective? A scatter, but ammunition?
                    You know what I was thinking right now: the main mistake of the Americans with the V-22, they put the engines at the ends of the pylons. That gave a huge swing, with a lot of inertia. Hence the instability and problems with the synchronization of engines. On the Mi-30 project, the engines were above the cab.
                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 20 August 2013 22: 21 New
                    +2
                    Denis, well, if not at the tip of the console, how would the problem of turning the engine be solved.
                  5. Wedmak
                    Wedmak 20 August 2013 22: 27 New
                    0
                    Milevtsy apparently solved this problem. Probably very complex mechanisms would have to be.
                    Or as an option, in my opinion promising - a hybrid engine. The turbojet engine rotates the generator, and at the ends of the console are electric motors, rotary blades. They are much easier than reactive.
                  6. Taoist
                    Taoist 21 August 2013 00: 06 New
                    +2
                    any scheme has pros and cons ... all options have been tried. if the remote control in the fuselage we have long transmission shafts with all the charms such as torsional vibrations, etc. ... The hybrid scheme will cause too much loss. In principle, modern TVDs are quite compact and lightweight to solve this issue in favor of just such a scheme.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 16 New
                0
                He must soar in proud solitude, apparently.
              3. Egen
                Egen 21 August 2013 05: 54 New
                +1
                Quote: Wedmak
                they put engines at the ends of the pylons. That gave a huge swing, with a lot of inertia. Hence the instability and problems with the synchronization of engines.

                Exactly. I read a lot, even from the Air Collection :) that the main drawback of Osprey is lack of knowledge. With all the technical progress of our time, amers for a long time could not bring the control electronics. Now they have probably brought it to mind, but the installation of a weapon with its moments again will again necessitate all kinds of fine-tuning. A tiltrotor is still more complicated than an ABS on a car :)
                As for the installation of jet engines - this is a promising way, but it is a promising, modern technology has not yet reached this point: firstly, there are even more problems with stability (and this is not a YAK, you cannot install a single engine), but secondly, then this "vaunted radius" will be halved - do not forget how much the same Harrier hangs in the air. Turboprop engines in this respect are in non-competition. That's when something satisfying appears, then ...
                As for Russia. IMHO in any way they will not hurt :). But guys, remember how many Yakies brought, and how many institutes worked on this. And now - there’s nothing of this, everything is on the terms of commerce, there is no one and nothing to be wise, therefore, why dream of this, we have not reached this point :(
          2. Taoist
            Taoist 21 August 2013 00: 02 New
            +3
            I don’t understand why it seems to you to be a more unstable platform than a helicopter ... In hover mode, it is no more unstable than any helicopter with a spaced propeller pattern. And in the airplane mode it does not matter at all - there is a completely different aerodynamics ... and there, rather, the mass of the car matters ... Normally, it can be armed ... the question is whether it is necessary? At the level of "fire support for the landing"? More precisely, for cleaning the site ... So there are no problems at all ... there are rifle calibers ... And it makes no sense to make an attack aircraft out of it ... 8ki work in the same way ... either weapons or troops ...
  • Pimply
    Pimply 20 August 2013 23: 04 New
    0
    How to say. It has a speed of 450 km, the possibility of refueling in the air - which dramatically increases its radius of action.
  • Alex 241
    Alex 241 20 August 2013 20: 53 New
    0
    The history of this car began in 1996 not so far. Then it was called Bell XV-15. This car was created jointly by Boeing and Bell. After Boeing left the project, Bell found a replacement for it in the face of the Italian-British aircraft manufacturing alliance Agusta-Westland (the merger took place in 2001). In 1998, Agusta entered the project, instead of Boeing, before merging with Westland. Thus, the Bell / Agusta Aerospace Company (BAAC) was established.

    As you know, in 2008 the global financial crisis hit. And on September 21, 2009, already when, with might and main, tests of the car were in full swing, due to financial difficulties, Bell left the project. And thus, Agusta-Westland remained the sole owner of the rights to the project. Bell's stake in the joint venture was bought back by it.

    In 2011, this tiltrotor was certified as a civilian aircraft and now the company has the full right to sell it. From that moment, Agusta-Westland was able to assemble a portfolio of orders for already 70 cars. But their deliveries are planned to begin no earlier than 2016.

    The main customers of this machine will be the organizers of VIP-transportation (including in the city) and oil companies, which before that used helicopters to deliver personnel to drilling platforms. Using a tiltrotor bodes them significant fuel savings, and speed of delivery is not the last factor.
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Alex 241
      The main customers of this machine will be the organizer of VIP-transportation (including in the city)


      And the noise, Sash, below the helicopter?
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 20 August 2013 23: 22 New
        +2
        Hi Sash, the problem of sound insulation is being solved.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 35 New
          0
          In terms of prestige, it's probably cool! "Exclusive car"
    2. Egen
      Egen 21 August 2013 06: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Alex 241
      The main customers of this machine will be the organizers of VIP-transportation (including in the city) and oil companies, which before that used helicopters to deliver personnel to drilling platforms. Using a tiltrotor bodes them significant fuel savings, and speed of delivery is not the last factor.

      Uh, here I wouldn’t be so categorical ...
      What the hell would such a colossus be waving fans in the city? :) In the cities, there will be enough small Bellchiks, but you won’t be able to turn from these :) But there it is up to New York to decide :), and about our oil workers it is for us! Until I think that such a thing will interest us.
      In 1, there are airfields not so far from the fields. The watch flies even from Belarus, from Gomel. And there - where the local fly, and where to get there - well, km 300 can be + -. For fishers, these are trifles, and the savings due to the high speed in one small segment among the entire shift delivery time is a trifle, below the sensitivity threshold.
      2, well, fuel economy, so what? Fuel is brought to the North - yes, expensive. But this is if you fly on kerosene. And then, the wholesale price of oilmen who are almost the same :) they produce kerosene - not the same as at gas stations. And if you go to KamAZ-shift, then there generally they are pushing the program to intensify their transfer to gas - local, free. And, at such a price for an airplane, this savings will pay off in more years than it will last :)
      And in-3 the most important thing. Weather in the fields - this is not an air base in Israel for you. T to -60 and wind with a blizzard. And of course, the complete absence of any repair and maintenance base for aircraft. In the industry, the simpler the more reliable and the better. Yes, and in the mine like that. After all, even an hour of downtime due to breakdown is millions. In these conditions, with such a complicated electronic technology, what the hell is this toy for us :)
      In addition, so what that received a civil certificate. Both Gazprom and the oil industry have their own certification requirements (the whole office of Gazpromavia), which Osprey, due to the above (and other :)) reasons, IMHO will not pull stopudovo :)
  • novobranets
    novobranets 21 August 2013 14: 45 New
    0
    For one hour of flight, if not mistaken16 hours of routine maintenance.
  • Su24
    Su24 20 August 2013 15: 10 New
    0
    Quote: valokordin
    The value of a tiltrotor will manifest itself during hostilities. Probably we can do it too, but whether we need them. Speed ​​of 500 km / h, not much more than the Aligator, then what is its usefulness? But all the same, the Americans are not fools, maybe this is their way of mastering the budget.


    What does the Alligator have to do with it? This is a transport vehicle with a speed of 2 times that of the Mi-8, for example. This is a unique device occupying its niche.
    1. Fedych
      Fedych 20 August 2013 16: 23 New
      0
      I support! - and I am surprised by the narrow thinking of your opponents! - Is it really from ordinary envy of Krylovalis fable and grapes? Just as if we are building our dubious achievement under heaven, but who has something new and not available to us today? - instead of a thought, we put it into manure. The strange soul of dreaming pseudo-patriots, and pessimistic optimists. The feeling that the spirit of many Russians from street patriotism never broke away from the old wretched Orthodoxy — live and don’t think, and the Bolshevik - is ready to comply with any order of a local spill! - about thoughts with a universal, state, ideological, personal and religious meaning, and I do not speak. So the USSR has erred without a single click at the level of the masses from below and among the executive to the top. Will we continue to walk in a crowd of herds from the herd? ”
      1. avt
        avt 20 August 2013 19: 40 New
        0
        Quote: Fedych
        The strange soul of dreaming pseudo-patriots, and pessimistic optimists. The feeling that the spirit of many Russians from street patriotism never broke away from the old wretched Orthodoxy — live and don’t think, and the Bolshevik - is ready to fulfill any order of a township flood! - about thought with a universal, state, ideological, personal and religious meaning, I do not speak. So the USSR has erred without a single click at the level of the masses from below and among the executive to the top. Will we continue to walk in a crowd of herds from the herd? ”

        Is everything all right with mental health? Or, from the lack of a technical education and the impossibility from an engineering point of view to look at the issue of applying a technical design to the actual conditions of use, they decided to burst into a pseudo-philosophical denunciation of the essence of Orthodoxy and the spiritual world of Russians, understand? laughing
        Quote: Fedych
        I support! - and I am surprised by the narrow thinking of your opponents! - Is it really from ordinary envy of Krylovalis fable and grapes? H

        To support something, you need to take on something. To get started, take a break from the comments
        Quote: Wedmak
        There were projects. But the topic is specific. Yes, and those days have passed to build it does not matter if only as in the United States. I don’t think that in the near future our topic will be closely tackled. Although we'll see.
        First Mi - 30

        Maybe then you will want to learn something about work in this direction from other design bureaus, look for reports on the advantages and disadvantages of the scheme, from the technical side, not literary.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          There were projects. But the topic is specific ...

          Uh ... these are not my words. This klimpopov said, but I agree with him.
          1. avt
            avt 20 August 2013 22: 18 New
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            Uh ... these are not my words.

            Yes, a strange quotation popped up, although I took it from Klimpopov.
  • serioga
    serioga 20 August 2013 12: 11 New
    -1
    Quote: Wedmak
    Excellent, large, low-maneuverable target. If one engine is damaged, the chance of flying away is 0.

    an excellent coffin with a fan, and most importantly roomy. We need to develop an automatic mini-system (cheap and easy to use) and place a mini-container in case of military operations along the border (possible landing directions) so that even the child sees the target launches and forgets .
    1. Metlik
      Metlik 20 August 2013 12: 33 New
      +6
      Osprey refers to transport aviation. In the area with unsuppressed air defense, he does not stick, do not wait.
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 August 2013 13: 05 New
        +3
        In the area with unsuppressed air defense, he does not stick, do not wait.

        And no one is waiting. But MANPADS have not been canceled. And if the helicopter can poorly poorly sit on autorotation, then this coffin will simply collapse like a stone.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 07 New
          -3
          And how often can a helicopter fly on a tail engine, for example? He usually has one engine.

          Osprey has two engines, and it can fly on one.

          Let’s exclude airplanes then - they don’t have autorotation either.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 17 New
            +2
            Zhen on almost all turntables has two engines.
            1. studentmati
              studentmati 21 August 2013 00: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Alex 241
              Zhen on almost all turntables has two engines.


              The helicopter circuit has been worked out and developed for decades. The tiltrotor has been constructively known for a long time, but is technologically sophisticated to this day.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 37 New
                0
                Sasha, and his niche is a clean transporter, so don’t hang him, he won’t become a stormtrooper.
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 39 New
                  0
                  Here’s Sash video, watch the take-off, what do you think will happen with a strong side gust of wind?
                  1. studentmati
                    studentmati 21 August 2013 00: 44 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    Here’s Sash video, watch the take-off, what do you think will happen with a strong side gust of wind?


                    11 seconds on the video will be ...
                2. studentmati
                  studentmati 21 August 2013 00: 41 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Pimply
                  Sasha, and his niche is a clean transporter, so don’t hang him, he won’t become a stormtrooper.


                  I see no revolutionary advantages in the transport niche.
                  1. Pimply
                    Pimply 21 August 2013 01: 07 New
                    +1
                    Let's imagine an operation similar to that in Enteb, say. Or a sharp throw to unprepared sites - in the event of a capture of the main airfield.
                    1. Alex 241
                      Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 12 New
                      0
                      Zhenya, I know what you want to say, but I would still prefer to fly on a C-5 type transporter. I know now you will say: And if there is no landing site ... laughing
                    2. studentmati
                      studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 38 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Pimply
                      Or a sharp throw to unprepared sites - in the event of a capture of the main airfield.


                      There are actually many alternative options. For example "throw to Pristina". For long distances, it is also possible to use intermediate aerodromes ...

                      I do not dispute the merits of Osprey. I want to say that the price of the product has not yet dropped to the level of mass use.
                      1. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 43 New
                        +1
                        Sash there each flight costs at the price of a "golden bridge", a sharp rush to unprepared areas, in case of a sudden throw, he will not work, they will shoot like partridges both in the air and on the ground.
                      2. studentmati
                        studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 47 New
                        0
                        Quote: Alex 241
                        , will be shot as partridges both in the air and on the ground.


                        In! in! ... and they don’t blink an eye, and the dogs will finish their work.
                      3. Alex 241
                        Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 50 New
                        0
                        And the watch will be taken as a trophy.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 26 New
          0
          Yes, my cant, I do not argue. They are located just a lot closer.
          1. studentmati
            studentmati 21 August 2013 00: 27 New
            0
            Quote: studentmati
            They are located just a lot closer.


            Therefore, much less vulnerable.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 39 New
              0
              I agree. A helicopter is undoubtedly a much more reliable and proven design. But the tiltrotor has a number of obvious advantages.
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 21 August 2013 00: 55 New
                +1
                Quote: Pimply
                But the tiltrotor has a number of obvious advantages.


                I agree that it has advantages in terms of some aerodynamic characteristics, carrying capacity, range. The disadvantages are expressed in the technological complexity and high cost of operation and maintenance of rotary mechanisms, in the first place. Unresolved some structural elements.
                1. Pimply
                  Pimply 21 August 2013 01: 09 New
                  +1
                  I do not argue. The car is not certain. However, on such a scale and in this class - the first, so that she has excusable flaws. The road will be overpowered by a walker.
      2. Alex 241
        Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 29 New
        +1
        On one, these are the declared parameters, there was a case when traction fell on one of the engines, the car was barely planted.
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2013 00: 43 New
          0
          But it’s interesting that we are now developing a new high-speed helicopter, but why haven’t they built it in the USSR before, at least in order to test the principle itself, one of these projects?
          Ka34

          Ka35

          V50

          V100

          One of the Mi28 options

          So many projects and ... nothing.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 53 New
            +1
            Serezha, the achievements of the USSR, the command and administrative system, lobbying for interests, as Myasishchev, Lavochkin gobbled up, Sasha will now tell you.
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 August 2013 00: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Alex 241
              how gobbled up Myasishchev, Lavochkina
              Nevertheless, they were given at least experimental machines to do, but here ...
              1. studentmati
                studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 08 New
                0
                Quote: svp67
                Nevertheless, they were given at least experimental machines to do, but here ...


                This is not to say that they were allowed to make experimental cars, giving direct permission. They just made them, because they loved their job and at the same time not strongly asking for special permission, but simply using their talent, solidarity and dedication of their teams, the ability to maneuver in that political and economic system, skillfully redistributing the allocated funds. The extreme, in my opinion, an example of this is the work of Lozino-Lozinsky: building the Buran, simultaneously working on the Tempest and "convinced" Antotonov to create the An-225, allegedly for transporting the Buran (aha! With a two-fold excess of carrying capacity ...).
              2. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 08 New
                0
                Well, here is the answer to the surface, money and cut.
                1. studentmati
                  studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 29 New
                  0
                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Well, here is the answer to the surface, money and cut.


                  The creation and promotion of such products to foreign markets has as its goal not only and not so much defense goals as maintaining the dollar pyramid and the US economy! (I think, Sash, did you mean this?).
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 35 New
                    +2
                    Absolutely Sash, now there are no such persons who thought about the state, not their pocket. Take the same Ilyushin, who at his own risk and develop the IL-18, the most trouble-free plane. The names of many figures are forgotten, but Ilyushin and IL-18 are not.
                  2. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 40 New
                    0
                    .................................................
                  3. studentmati
                    studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 45 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    IL-18, the most accident-free aircraft


                    This is confirmation that there were design SCHOOLS in the USSR, and today we have faceless concerns that have everything except real products.
                  4. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 46 New
                    +1
                    As they say, they all poured into one barrel.
                  5. studentmati
                    studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 49 New
                    0
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    As they say, they all poured into one barrel.


                    The designers, technologists and production workers have been "drained", and the "elite" are skimming the cream.
                  6. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 53 New
                    +1
                    "elite" are effective managers in beautiful ties who know about the plane that there is a busines class and should serve champagne with caviar.
                  7. studentmati
                    studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 57 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Alex 241
                    "Elite" are effective men in beautiful ties who know about the plane that there is a busines class and should serve champagne with caviar.


                    Well, who else? Here they are just for fun on a tiltrotor to dash around in order to wipe their nose to their neighbor in the Rublevsky back streets. And for the sake of this, the issue of acquiring an experimental batch of "Osprey" for the needs of Russia can be pushed through. At the expense of taxpayers, of course.
                  8. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 02: 03 New
                    +1
                    Similarly, Sash, draw thieves, emergency lights, and then MI-28 with security.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: Metlik
    Osprey refers to transport aviation. In the area with unsuppressed air defense, he does not stick, do not wait.


    ABC truth! good
  • Su24
    Su24 20 August 2013 15: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: serioga
    Quote: Wedmak
    Excellent, large, low-maneuverable target. If one engine is damaged, the chance of flying away is 0.

    an excellent coffin with a fan, and most importantly roomy. We need to develop an automatic mini-system (cheap and easy to use) and place a mini-container in case of military operations along the border (possible landing directions) so that even the child sees the target launches and forgets .


    Yeah, or maybe ours just develop such a button - you press and all the enemy’s weapons explode! Also simple and cheap.
  • sens99.ru
    sens99.ru 20 August 2013 12: 28 New
    -1
    Russia is increasing the group of Eagles (man-portable air defense systems) laughing Joke
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 20 August 2013 14: 31 New
      -1
      Good joke!
      1. sens99.ru
        sens99.ru 14 October 2013 19: 14 New
        0
        Sarcasm or what?)
  • sub307
    sub307 20 August 2013 13: 09 New
    +1
    Long "tormented" with him: the beginning of flight tests on March 19, 1989.
  • Vtel
    Vtel 20 August 2013 14: 54 New
    -5
    We will also have it, only floating. Missral seems.
    1. waisson
      waisson 20 August 2013 22: 17 New
      +1
      take it deeper
      The Russian Navy received the first batch of Gavia underwater vehicles
      20.08.2013/2/XNUMX The Russian Navy received the first batch of Gavia-type autonomous unmanned underwater vehicles designed to survey objects and the seabed at depths of up to XNUMX meters, said Alexey Kaifadzhyan, General Director of the Tethys Pro company, which produces vehicles.

      "The supply for the Main Directorate of Deep-Sea Research is fully secured," said Kaifajyan, answering the question of the Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Navy, Admiral Viktor Chirkov, about the progress of supplies.

      According to the general director of the company, now the second delivery of modified Gavia devices is being prepared. The commander-in-chief instructed Tethys Pro with a new task - "to prepare simulators for aquanauts."

      The "Gavia" apparatus is distinguished by the absence of functional dependence on the support vessel, high search speed, large coverage area, wide range of immersion depths, high accuracy of target position determination. Depending on the configuration, the length of the device varies from 1,8 to 2,7 meters, the weight is from 49 to 79 kilograms, and the diameter is 20 centimeters. The Gavia's autonomy reaches seven hours, and the maximum speed is 5,5 knots.
  • Sirs
    Sirs 20 August 2013 15: 19 New
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    We need the same, because it is very convenient. We have militants running around the Caucasus, and what about the Caucasus - everywhere. It would be a group of such co-plans, you can quickly respond, and not keep special groups in the republics.
    flies fast, vertical takeoff landing, sufficient carrying capacity for such tasks.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 15: 30 New
      +1
      It would be a group of such co-plans, you can quickly respond, and not keep special groups in the republics.

      Have you seen this device high in the mountains? In the gorges? With its "grace" it can only be used in the desert, but at sea it can be used.
      1. Tourist Breakfast
        Tourist Breakfast 20 August 2013 18: 46 New
        +2
        Have you seen this device high in the mountains? In the gorges?


        Seen, seen:
        1. Rosomaha67
          Rosomaha67 20 August 2013 19: 47 New
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          ...... I understand that the mountains are "the most mountainous" in the promised land, but one should not compare the "hills" of Israel with the Caucasian ridge, where the average altitude of helicopter operations is from 4500 to 6000 meters, and the narrowness of the gorges and the steepness of precipices slightly different, I am modestly silent about the amount of precipitation and temperature .......
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 19 New
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            Apparently the mountains of Afghanistan do not suit you. Everest is needed right away.
          2. Tourist Breakfast
            Tourist Breakfast 21 August 2013 11: 34 New
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            What mountains will suit you?
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 20 August 2013 18: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Sirs
      It would be a group of such co-plans, you can quickly respond, and not keep special groups in the republics.


      Nothing good will come of it. There is no weather, there are no flights of specialists. It will turn out in the elderberry garden, and in Kiev the uncle. request hi
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 20 August 2013 15: 51 New
    +4
    First, we need to equip the Russian army with modern transport planes, and then think about convertiplanes. In our army there are no modern transport aircraft capable of landing on front-line unpaved airfields.
    A tiltrotor is only part of a huge fleet of transport aircraft in the American army and far from the main one.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +1
      In our army there are no modern transport aircraft capable of landing on front-line unpaved airfields.

      IL-76 (476 most likely too) can. This is certainly not very good for him, but ... maybe. If necessary.
  • ism_ek
    ism_ek 20 August 2013 16: 17 New
    +3
    Quote: Wedmak
    IL-76 (476 most likely too) can. This is certainly not very good for him, but ... maybe. If necessary.

    We have an army, not a suicide team. And the strip for the IL-76 needs two kilometers. Where to find such a strip in the frontline zone and how much effort should be spent to protect it?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 16: 52 New
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      Where to find such a strip in the frontline zone and how much effort should be spent to protect it?

      I agree, a problem. And Osprey would come in handy here. Like a helicopter. But then again, how will he behave in the mountains (and we have all the hot spots in the mountains)? A pinwheel can work - checked. Yes, and it can support the airborne fire. But on the Osprey there is no weapons, only electronic warfare. Those. it must be covered, which carries additional costs.
      Understand that I am not against these machines at all, the development is interesting, only I do not see significant advantages over helicopters.
      1. Windbreak
        Windbreak 20 August 2013 17: 08 New
        +3
        There is a machine gun
        And they are going to put a turret with a machine gun
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 36 New
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          There is a machine gun

          Built in? Or the one that comes with the landing?
          And they are going to put a turret with a machine gun

          If they do, then a maximum of 12 gauge. Which does not compare at all with a 23 mm double-barrel shotgun (or 3-barrel 12.7) in the Mi-24. Yes plus NAR, yes plus ATGM.
          1. Windbreak
            Windbreak 20 August 2013 17: 43 New
            +2
            Why compare the transport with a combat vehicle?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 20 August 2013 18: 01 New
              +1
              Well, let's compare transport with transport. V-22 vs Mi-8. Or put the Mi-26 into rivals?
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 09 New
                +1
                Well, let's. Will we compare flight range? Or speed?
      2. Fedych
        Fedych 20 August 2013 17: 22 New
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        The answer is simple. The most difficult states have done, have achieved. Their car is only the first sign, basis, basis for all other possible options. Most importantly, they managed to overcome the many difficulties of the mechanical motor part. It was lit, and was not so simple. And we, in one day, a year, cannot achieve this. If without fantasies! - then they might b. and with the possibility of landing on water. And with modern technologies, like 5th generation aircraft, carry weapons inside themselves, absolutely everything possible, from anti-tank, up to mining and other things. For war, the concept of economy and economy is secondary, the main thing is to have a niche of surprise attack and defense. And the United States, for some time now, is not in a hurry to throw money down the drain. A possible victory, and the path to it, they both appreciate and understand and accept. Well, and if! - who among us is without mistakes, errors, miscalculations, then the answer is visible - an expensive thing, but they themselves order and those who are richer are interested . It turns out that way, do you want to be free or live free and at the expense of others? - have the right to it, and not only by the force and law of the law, and by the right of opportunity to crush someone, humiliate and trample into the mud. And as you can see, the USA! - all this can.
      3. Taoist
        Taoist 20 August 2013 20: 54 New
        +1
        I must say, the dynamic Osprey ceiling is higher than that of any helicopter. The specifics of aerodynamics. And in the hover mode (static ceiling) it is unlikely to have lower.
        1. old man54
          old man54 21 August 2013 01: 20 New
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          Quote: Taoist
          I must say, the dynamic Osprey ceiling is higher than that of any helicopter. Aerodynamics specifics

          oh? And the coaxial circuit? At Ka-27, the static ceiling above the Mi-8 is somewhere about 3 times approximately. hi
          1. Taoist
            Taoist 21 August 2013 12: 29 New
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            The coaxial design increases the static ceiling by reducing eddy losses. But with horizontal flight (in which a dynamic ceiling is achieved), its losses are even higher. This is due to the specifics of the flow around the rotor blade with an increase in the horizontal component. This, by the way, is the main problem in creating high-speed helicopters. For an airplane (and a tiltrotor in airplane mode from an aerodynamic point of view it is an airplane), everything is much simpler - there, with increasing speed, the lifting force on the wing does not drop like in a helicopter but grows. Therefore, tiltrotopes will always have a dynamic (high-speed) ceiling higher than a helicopter.
  • novobranets
    novobranets 20 August 2013 16: 48 New
    +1
    The acoustic signature of the helicopter is 16 km, the cover plan is 3 km. winked
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 10 New
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      Eeee ... what? You want to say that a tiltrotor can be heard only from 3 km?
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 20 August 2013 17: 23 New
        +1
        Quite right. Http://topwar.ru/20699-v-22-ospri.html
  • serioga
    serioga 20 August 2013 17: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Su24
    Quote: serioga
    Quote: Wedmak
    Excellent, large, low-maneuverable target. If one engine is damaged, the chance of flying away is 0.

    an excellent coffin with a fan, and most importantly roomy. We need to develop an automatic mini-system (cheap and easy to use) and place a mini-container in case of military operations along the border (possible landing directions) so that even the child sees the target launches and forgets .


    Yeah, or maybe ours just develop such a button - you press and all the enemy’s weapons explode! Also simple and cheap.

    As is known from the history of the great Patriotic war, we did not believe that Germany would attack the USSR and therefore the defensive fortifications were not prepared, and how did it end? (Retreated to Moscow) and partisan detachments were urgently needed. And all subsequent warriors will be only because of the resources, and having used nuclear weapons globally, then all the resources will not be suitable for use due to the high radiation background, it turns out the bet is on the limited use of nuclear weapons. Oh and the main part is a ground operation, for this requires mattresses such a number of convertiplanes, the second aspect; Ukraine does not know when to reunite with Russia and whether mattresses will allow it? It is possible that their aircraft use this zone without air defense, because there are still many patriots in Ukraine, which is why I wrote about simple and cheap weapons and who should be armed and trained already. In Ukraine, there is no such training for a long time. It is better to overestimate the enemy than to underestimate. Moreover, we have already been taught bitter experience. I wanted us not to forget that in the past we fought with Europe and in the future we’ll have to fight with almost the whole world
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 17: 41 New
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      and the main part is a land operation, for this the mattresses need such a number of convertiplanes

      If you speak with reference to Ukraine, mattresses will most likely need a dozen landing ships and a bunch of vehicles. Both that, and another will calmly unload in ports. That’s the whole land operation ... And what will start next will not interest anyone ... because NATO will have only two countries left on its way - Russia and China.
  • Lone gunman
    Lone gunman 20 August 2013 18: 19 New
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    promising little thing, primarily in terms of modernization, in place of "fans" jet engines ... Shoigu in the brain ...
  • Russ69
    Russ69 20 August 2013 18: 31 New
    +3
    Maybe a convertiplane is not a bad thing. But let's be realistic, we are not up to this development right now. There is a Mi-26, which performs the same transport functions. The fact that he has less speed, and the carrying capacity is much greater.
    Maybe then we’ll make our own, another generation. Now for us it is not a primary goal. Let them first saturate the troops with what is needed now, and only then they are exhausted.
    I doubt that the absence of a convertiplane with us dramatically affects the combat effectiveness of the army.
    1. Ofellon
      Ofellon 20 August 2013 19: 57 New
      +1
      nothing that compare fat with lard? :)
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 20 New
        +2
        nothing that compare fat with lard? :)

        Who cares? Modern Osprey in terms of characteristics is approximately equal to MI-8T. And the Mi-171 is ahead of him. So is it worth changing the awl to soap?
        1. Pimply
          Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 20 New
          +1
          Do not compare awl with soap. What is equal, what nonsense are you talking about, Denis. These are different cars. Let's compare a passenger car with a bus. Well, both are going.
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 21 August 2013 09: 58 New
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            Do not compare awl with soap.

            Why is this? The characteristics are almost equal, with the exception of range and speed. So you checkers or go?
  • 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 20 August 2013 18: 36 New
    +3
    After the flight, you need to prepare it for the next two days. This is the first. Second, in the mountains it is practically unsuitable for flying because it flies like an iron. Because it is very slow, in the USSR this topic was worked out in sufficient detail and was recognized as not profitable from all sides (very expensive , several times more expensive than a helicopter). Do not forget that cutting the money from Amers is put on a wider foot than ours. By the way, they are not visible and inaudible in Afghanistan.
    1. Alex 241
      Alex 241 20 August 2013 19: 35 New
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      Two Bell V-22 Osprey (an American convertiplane combining the individual capabilities of an airplane and a helicopter) flies over Helmandon on April 10, 2013.
    2. Ofellon
      Ofellon 20 August 2013 19: 55 New
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      http://bigpicture.ru/?p=52880

      at least the slightest attempt to find the information could be made. Not suitable? mi-30 was going to build but the restructuring began.
    3. Taoist
      Taoist 21 August 2013 12: 42 New
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      Where did you get this nonsense? Their flight regulations are the same as on helicopters. An hour not more ... And if there is an urgent need, then 15 minutes for refueling and that's it. And in the USSR, this topic was almost never worked out. Everything remained at the level of "draft designs". Only the "rotorcraft" was built in the "hardware" (and this is a completely different machine). Everything went to us in super-heavy helicopters. But the Americans have been doing this since the 50s and the number of experimental vehicles was measured in dozens.
  • biglow
    biglow 20 August 2013 18: 42 New
    +3
    let him ride on the convertiplane frame and his entire administration ,,,, laughing
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 20 August 2013 19: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      let him ride on the convertiplane frame and his entire administration ,,,, laughing

      you just have to laugh.
      let’s better choose Obama for the next term, he showed himself as a politician. for Russia, he is the best president of the United States.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 20 August 2013 19: 45 New
        +7
        One of the drawbacks is the slightest imbalance in engine thrust, and here there are no options.
        1. studentmati
          studentmati 20 August 2013 23: 26 New
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          Quote: Alex 241
          One of the drawbacks is the slightest imbalance in engine thrust, and here there are no options.


          The harsh reality in the conditions of everyday use! "Beauty requires sacrifice..."
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 August 2013 19: 42 New
    +3
    I look at these "tiltroplanes" they look menacing and that's it !! the machines are complex and the purpose is excellent .. helicopters are more reliable and cheaper .. this is my opinion .. That's the correct forum member wrote about "ride" Obama with the General Staff .. on these strange things .. bully )))
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 22 New
      -1
      What is a helicopter capable of flying 4500 km.
      1. Alex 241
        Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 25 New
        +1
        Zhen think anyone equipped with a refueling system.
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 August 2013 00: 32 New
          +2
          Quote: Alex 241
          Zhen think anyone equipped with a refueling system.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 34 New
            +1
            Hi Seryozha, absolutely correct.
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 August 2013 00: 38 New
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              Quote: Alex 241
              Hi Seryozha, absolutely correct.
              Salute to the commandant. there is only one thing wrong, our country, having huge distances, does not have a refueling system on its helicopters, which significantly reduces the ability to maneuver, and the protection of "turntables"
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 47 New
                +1
                Seryozha, in our country turntables are regarded as battlefield machines. And they work on remote sites, and one more nuance, the installation of a refueling system will reduce the combat load. Yes, and the Americans have mainly transport wing machines equipped with this system. Add to your photo Chinook and Black Hawk
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 48 New
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                  ......................................
                2. svp67
                  svp67 21 August 2013 00: 56 New
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                  Quote: Alex 241
                  Seryozha, in our country turntables are regarded as battlefield machines. And they work on remote sites,
                  Isn't it necessary to build up forces and means, the same helicopters during a threatened period, or during a war? And it turns out that they will be ferried from airfield to airfield, and this is a waste of time for landing, servicing, refueling and takeoff, the difficulty of masking all this movement, and on the ground the masses of helicopters are more vulnerable to the same missile strikes ..., In short, there are enough cons. and is it really impossible to come up with a "container-type" refueling system, they must be attached, they must not be removed ...
                  1. Alex 241
                    Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 06 New
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                    There are PTBs, outboard fuel tanks, but combat tanks do not fly, this is again a decrease in the combat load.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 42 New
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          But is it often used, Sash? I am aware, I saw refueling. I'm just talking about something else. For example, I clearly see where and how a tiltrotor can be used. I do not call for the abolition of helicopters. Just a tiltrotor, in my opinion, has occupied a very suitable niche.
          1. Alex 241
            Alex 241 21 August 2013 00: 50 New
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            Zhenya, I am not against this machine, but it cannot be cured of childhood diseases since 89 years.
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 21 August 2013 01: 10 New
              +1
              Sasha, the road will be overpowered. This is a fairly revolutionary scheme. Remember the first helicopters. There will be a step, then another - and they will eventually come to the right quality. Israeli pilots were delighted with the flight data of the car.
              1. Alex 241
                Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 17 New
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                Israeli pilots about US convertibles V-22 Osprey

                The Israeli Air Force has begun flight tests of the US V-22 Osprey tiltrotor. According to the official publication of the Israeli Air Force - IAF Magazine, in December 2012, pilots - Lieutenant Colonels Nimrod and Avi arrived in the United States to conduct Osprey assessment flights, which are conducted at the US Marine Corps Air Base in Carolina. The task is to assess the feasibility of purchasing convertiplanes by Israeli troops. Before embarking on a full-fledged test of the Osprey, the pilots underwent a two-week training program and spent 80 hours in a tiltrotor simulator. Then they performed training flights for two weeks almost daily. In their words, the United States Osprey tiltrotors can greatly simplify a number of operations, but they have some critical "inconveniences" for novice pilots.

                United States Wing

                As the pilot of the CH-53D Sea Stallion transport helicopter, Lieutenant Colonel Avi, in flight, the V-22 Osprey can quickly and sharply pick up speed, which complicates the control somewhat: "The pilot uses a stick and a system similar to a thrust control device. In one mode (helicopter mode ), the stick is responsible for the altitude, and the "thrust" - for the speed. In another mode (in the airplane) they change roles. In the transient mode, it feels like you are losing control.

                Convert wing manufacturers specify that you need to get used to managing the V-22 Osprey in transit, it’s not dangerous, and as you gain experience, all the necessary skills are quickly acquired
                1. Alex 241
                  Alex 241 21 August 2013 01: 19 New
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                  In general, Lieutenant Colonels Nimrod and Avi reported on the good flying qualities of the US tiltrotors, which can significantly expand the range of tasks performed by the Israeli Air Force. Fixed-wing aircraft experience occasional stalls, Avi said, especially if the aircraft are operated by retraining helicopter pilots. “On the V-22, you have to work very hard to create a stall effect,” Avi said. According to Nimrod, a pilot of S-70A and UH-60 Black Hawk helicopters in 124 Squadron of the Israeli Air Force, the tiltrotor will provide an opportunity to fly to points that were previously unavailable.

                  V-22 Osprey

                  Since 2008, Israel has shown interest in buying Osprey. According to a report from the Israeli Air Force, they are currently considering the possibility of purchasing several Osprey for special operations. In addition, the Israeli ground forces want to lease 6-7 American convertiplanes. As one option for using Osprey, medical evacuation operations are being considered. According to Lieutenant Colonel Nimrod, in this case, Osprey in airplane mode allows you to get to the desired point where airplane landing is not possible much faster and land there in helicopter mode. Moreover, the flight range of the V-22 is greater than that of a conventional helicopter.

                  According to the already formed report of the Israeli Air Force, in the preparation of which the pilots took part, Osprey was recommended for purchase. In the event that Israel signs a contract for the supply of V-22, it will be the first country in which convertibles will be exported. Currently, Bell-Boeing only produces Osprey for the US Air Force and Marine Corps. In total, the US military delivered 159 convertiplanes out of 188 ordered.

                  V-22 Osprey

                  Bell V-22 Osprey - American convertiplane, combining the individual capabilities of the aircraft and helicopter. The only mass-produced convertiplane was developed in the USA for more than 30 years by Boeing and Bell. It is in service with the United States Marine Corps and the United States Navy. The aircraft is equipped with two Rolls-Royce T406 engines located at the ends of the wing in nacelles, which can rotate almost 98 degrees. The screws with three trapezoidal blades are interconnected by a synchronizing shaft, which passes inside the wing. In airplane mode, the tiltrotor is capable of speeds up to 565 kilometers per hour, and its combat radius is 722 kilometers. The Osprey can be armed with 7,62 and 12,7 mm machine guns, as well as a six-barrel 7,62 mm machine gun in an overhead container. V-22 is designed for the transport of military personnel or cargo with a total mass of up to nine tons.

                  There are modifications:

                  MV-22A - BTA convertiplanes capable of carrying 24 paratroopers.
                  SV-22A - anti-submarine.
                  HV-22 - search and rescue.
              2. studentmati
                studentmati 21 August 2013 01: 20 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                Sash, the road will be overpowered by the walking


                I consider this thesis convincing if the goal is to achieve a specific and specific goal: "tiltrotor at any cost." So it was in the Soviet aviation industry and astronautics. And the goals were achieved! Is always!!!
                Today we live in other categories: the prevalence of tight economic calculation over the need to solve the problem; pseudo-political dividends over the need to solve patriotic tasks.
  • Strong
    Strong 20 August 2013 19: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Wedmak
    We have beautiful turntables, why do we need this under-plane?


    And once, before, those in charge declared that we have excellent combat aircraft, why do we need these dragonflies? Marshal Malinovsky even threatened to shoot down helicopters with a stick. And now we already have beautiful turntables.

    Probably time will tell if a tiltrotor is needed or not.
    1. Fofan
      Fofan 20 August 2013 20: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Fuerte
      Marshal Malinovsky even threatened to shoot down helicopters with a stick.

      Marshal Malinovsky was offered to take Mi-1. and it really could be knocked down with a stick.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 20: 31 New
      +1
      Probably time will tell if a tiltrotor is needed or not.

      I don’t argue. I compare the modern Osprey and the same Mi-8. The characteristics are almost equal. Well, then is it worth repeating this Osprey to us? Mi-171 gives it (except horizontal speed) like an ace warmer.
      Marshal Malinovsky even threatened to shoot down helicopters with a stick. And now we already have beautiful turntables.

      So you do not compare, the helicopter and the plane are different devices in concept. And their scope is different. And here, the same thing, the principle is the same, the application is the same. Characteristics - and they are approximately similar !! So why do we need this hybrid?
      Still, an apparatus with completely deviating turbojet engines is a completely different conversation. Just do not trip over the VTOL rake.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply 21 August 2013 00: 23 New
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        Tell me - can the Mi-8 reach a speed of 450 km + h? Or fly 4300 km?
        1. builder
          builder 21 August 2013 00: 55 New
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          Let's compare cost, reliability and combat survivability.
  • NURLAT
    NURLAT 20 August 2013 19: 56 New
    0
    In response, Russia should increase the fleet of inflatable tanks!
  • vano1305
    vano1305 20 August 2013 20: 04 New
    +5
    According to the Israeli Air Force command, tiltrotor or convertible aircraft (PLA) - a hybrid of an airplane and a helicopter with rotary propellers, can completely change the tactics of warfare in the region.


    With a cost of ~ $ 60 million each, in my opinion, the Su-34 will be able to change the tactics of combat much more at $ 30 million apiece ...
    1. Lone gunman
      Lone gunman 20 August 2013 21: 30 New
      +1
      if we had such a convertiplane going, then it would cost several times less than 60 million dollars.
  • MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 20 August 2013 21: 29 New
    +2
    Quote: vano1305
    According to the Israeli Air Force command, tiltrotor or convertible aircraft (PLA) - a hybrid of an airplane and a helicopter with rotary propellers, can completely change the tactics of warfare in the region.


    With a cost of ~ $ 60 million each, in my opinion, the Su-34 will be able to change the tactics of combat much more at $ 30 million apiece ...

    A mini analogue of the S-300 ... inconspicuous with small rackets and in large numbers .. (destroying everything that moves and rotates) .. I think it’s not in vain that Russia doesn’t get drunk especially in this direction .. (it’s easier and cheaper to come up with and I think they’ve come up with opposition to everyone these tricky little things) Fighting satellites without which the Americans do not fly ... Blow up rockets in the orbits of enemy satellites (stuffed with nails and all sorts of rubbish) .. Cheap and cheerful .. Goal for fiction is tricky ..)))
  • SANAY
    SANAY 20 August 2013 21: 45 New
    +1
    Vulnerable machine. I don’t even know, except for the development, perhaps we need such a machine? At least there is definitely no autorotation on such a machine.
    1. Ofellon
      Ofellon 9 September 2013 23: 08 New
      0
      with 1 engine idle, it can land ... can it land an MI-8 with a broken tail boom?
  • Bosk
    Bosk 20 August 2013 22: 26 New
    +2
    Osprey is an expensive toy, both in production and in operation. It is not correct to compare helicopters with Osprey-type vehicles because this is the next generation vertical take-off machine. Now there is much to discuss about the need for this machine ... it’s hard for me to say what is needed, but the fact that the Americans are creating and operating machines of this type has not progressed very well in new technologies and other things ... ... this is clear. Consequently, Russia also needs to experiment, for with anything but talent the Russian land has always been famous.
    1. SANAY
      SANAY 20 August 2013 22: 32 New
      +1
      It is clear that technology and other. Application, in principle, would also be found. Although hell knows. I do not like this tarantayka.
    2. Konsmo
      Konsmo 21 August 2013 03: 02 New
      0
      "When our goal was out of our sight, we redoubled our efforts." Mark Twain drinks
      The main thing in the right direction to move forward. Which is not a fact in this case.
  • Konsmo
    Konsmo 20 August 2013 23: 03 New
    +2
    If there are drivers on the forum a question for them? If for every hour you drive, you will prepare the car for the trip for 18 hours. How? Option. A team of 9 people engaged in 2 hours-And pay for their modest (American) work.
    The content is ... flies into such a denyuzhku.
    That it is necessary to put a candle to our designers for the fact that they did not fit into this sawing. And let the amers indulge. What would the child not amuse ....
  • Konsmo
    Konsmo 20 August 2013 23: 11 New
    +1
    Something resembles the famous "best" German Tiger tank with staggered wheels.
    And then they squeal, the Russians have a winter general, fall-thaw, or summer dust, laughing therefore and prosra ...
    Let them rivet.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 20 August 2013 23: 29 New
      +1
      Germans tiger tank with wheels in a checkerboard pattern.

      Yes, yes, yes .. I liked the expression about replacing the inner wheel, on the lurk in my opinion ... Tin. But the course is smooth! wink
  • mirag2
    mirag2 21 August 2013 06: 55 New
    0
    Eh, a good Osprey device, it's a pity we don’t have one right now ...
  • kkenkkk
    kkenkkk 21 August 2013 09: 19 New
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    people yesterday found a service for checking fines in the traffic police by the state number of the car, otherwise I had a bit more fines than I thought. By the way, there they can be appealed, I was canceled two fines :). You can check your fines yourself, here is the site - http://redir.ec/mvdbaz