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America in debt

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Recently, the media overflowed with reports of true indicators of the public debt of the United States of America. The press quoted statements by Professor Kotlikoff, a former economic adviser to Reagan, and Professor James Hamilton of the University of Economics of California. Then on “Hvile” appeared the analytical material of Alexander Rogers, also related to the American debt. The information was also updated that the Germans, who had demanded their gold from the Fed’s basements, were left with a nose: there were allegedly ingots, but for some reason they would remain in the United States. A bit earlier, in July, a respected comrade made a sensational statement on the topic of American gold: William Kay, manager of the Hong Kong hedge fund, who worked for Goldman Sachs for a quarter of a century.


The German Federal Bank demanded the repatriation of its gold stored in the basements of the US Federal Reserve, but the US central bank decided not to give away the gold to Germany. The correspondent reported on the rising wave of distrust towards the dollar against this background. "RT" Gayane Chichakian.

But Germany stores in the US Central Bank about half of its gold reserves.

And more and more often you can hear that the Fed has not so much gold: it is either sold out, or loaned, or used as a financial guarantee.



Hong Kong hedge fund manager William Kay, who worked for Goldman Sachs in mergers and acquisitions for a quarter of a century, spoke about the missing gold of the Fed and Germany. Eric King wrote about this in his blog (King World News; source of translation - Mixednews.ru).

Kay explained to the interviewer that the gold was leased to China. This was recognized by the main central banks - the Fed, and the European Central Bank, and the Bank of England. All of them are involved in the wholesale leasing of gold to the market.

Here is a description of this “leasing” practice: the Fed contacts its agent, usually JP Morgan, less often Goldman Sachs, and they say, “OK, the price of gold should be limited, here are 20, 30, 40, 50 tons of gold, which we give you for rent as your agent. But theoretically we can call him back. ”

Practice differs from this theory in that the ones named “JP Morgan” and “Goldman Sachs” simply sell the resulting gold on the market. These banks in operations with precious metals occupy mainly short positions in gold, benefiting from lower prices, Kay said. And the Fed says: “... well, we still have a contract, according to which, in theory, we can withdraw gold. So, in official documents, we’ll let you know that we still own it. ”

“But in reality, gold was sold on the market. This gold moves to places like Beijing. But before you get to Beijing, it often passes through Hong Kong. And there it goes to our processing contractors, to the very people we deal with. And by the way, Eric, maybe we own the gold that Germany considers its asset. But Germany will never see this gold, because it is safely stored in my account (s) for our investors at Hong Kong International Airport.

This gold, which at the time of arrival in Hong Kong could be a symbol of the Bundesbank, a leading processor, one of the largest in the world, working with the People’s Bank of China, certified: “Yes, we received gold that we can deliver. We melted it, we determined the sample. Perhaps it was the sign of the Bundesbank on admission, but now it is melted. This is 0,9999 (pure) gold. ”


Gold Fed, which the Americans consider their own, has left. German gold, about which the Germans said they would take it away after seven years, is not at all in the Fed. It is anywhere: at the People's Bank of China, at the Reserve Bank of India, at the Russian Central Bank.

Now, concludes Comrade Kay, the Fed and the US Treasury, "probably have nothing."

The US national debt has reached incredible levels. According to official data, its size is close to 17 trillion. dollars, but experts believe that the debt is much more.

Correspondent "RT" Katie Pilbim made a figurative comparison: the amount of US government debt can be compared to the cost of an influential IT company: the official size of the US debt is equal to the cost of Apple's 40, but the unofficial amount of government debt in excess of 70 trillion. $, equals 165 "Apple".

Professor Kotlikoff, a former economic adviser to President Reagan, believes that the situation is much worse: according to his calculations, we are already talking about 211 trillion. dollars, which is similar to the cost of Apple's 500.

The number of seventy trillions was calculated by the staff of the Economic University of California (San Diego). The conclusion is that the United States has accumulated more than 70 trillion. dollars of national debt, in the course of the study came Professor James Hamilton.

According to official figures in Washington, the channel said "RT"since the beginning of the 2008 crisis, the US national debt has grown from 5 trillion. $ to 16 trillion $. Every year, taxpayers are forced to cover interest on debt in the amount of 220 billion.

Where are such terrible debts? It turns out that five years ago, the US Fed pumped the economy with money and bought a lot of assets. This was called long-term budget support. It was supposed to lower interest rates in this way and attract investment in the economy.

Of course, the amount of debt grew every year. Now, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that only interest on debt in the 2021 year would exceed government spending on the military needs of the 2013 year.

James Hamilton does not understand how the authorities managed to conceal these huge sums. The US state debt consists of the debts of states, corporations and individuals, future social benefits, etc., in general, all the money that the federal government owes to all creditors.

Network economic publication for investors "Market Leader" clarifies that the bulk of US public debt comes from the Medicare medical program (approximately 55 trillions of dollars).

The opinion of Stanislav Mashagin, the head of the Personal Strategies management company, which is quoted by the Market Leader, is interesting. The expert believes that the States themselves order the music, because their commitments are expressed mostly in US dollars. For example, Warren Buffett argues that the US government cannot go bankrupt, because it can print dollars to cover liabilities in dollars.

On a popular resource "Wave" A large article by Alexander Rogers appeared, giving a general picture of what is happening in the USA today.

The US national debt is about 16,9 trillion dollars, the author notes, and the US GDP is officially equal to 15,85 trillion. The ratio of debt to GDP is about 106,6% (for “located in a deep hole of Ukraine,” the analyst compares, a similar ratio is about 90%).

In terms of per capita US national debt is over 53400 dollars, and for every taxpayer, you get 148 thousand dollars. Meanwhile, the annual income of the average American - 33 thousands, with a downward trend.

At the same time, the US trade deficit is 693 billion, of which 318 billion is a trade deficit with the PRC.

Along with this, in the USA a “parade of defaults” begins at the levels of cities. In addition to Detroit, over 450 US cities go to bankruptcy by a direct route. Among them: San Diego, Providence, Long Beach and even Los Angeles. "Parade" can take place in the autumn of this year and in 2014 year.

Further, the author moves to American companies. More precisely, to the largest corporations.

Over the past two decades, approximately 43 thousands of manufacturing companies, or three-quarters of the entire industrial potential, have been withdrawn. All this has gone to the countries of the so-called "Third World". Steve Jobs, who once participated in the congressional hearings, to the question "Is it possible to return Apple production from China to the USA?", Said that there is not enough technological base in the USA for this.

The analyst writes:

Lockheed is bankrupt. "Boeing" on the verge of bankruptcy and massive layoffs. “Hewlett Packard” - the loss of a significant part of the market and mass layoffs (but the CEO did not forget to write out a bonus of 250 million for “effective management” to herself. General Motors survived only at the expense of huge financial injections at the expense of the state. And these key industries only reflect a general depressing picture in the American economy. ”


Alexander Rogers believes that the United States is an "advertising poster of a liberal market economy." Behind the “bright candy wrapper” there was “a rotten filling”.

“Credit stimulation (there are no other ways to stimulate production in the market system) is a kind of drug that gives a temporary rise, followed by an inevitable decline. This happens everywhere where “marketers” take over - in the USA, in the EU, in the developing countries that have fallen under their influence. In particular, we can observe the collapse of industry in the countries of the former USSR that have undergone liberal transformations. ”


And every day it becomes harder to harbor illusions about the American market well-being, the author notes.

What kind of fuel do illusions feed on? There is pure postmodernism: illusions feed on other illusions. The illusion sits on the illusion, and chases the illusion. Large corporations are also involved in this falsehood. Here's a look from America itself (contrpost.com).

The analyst is outraged by the fact that many Russian economists, including the “first-class” ones, say that Europe is recovering from recession, and the United States has completely come out of it. More recently, “one unrecognized genius” stated that the US is already rising by 3,5% per quarter. The author points out that this is “the uttermost bullshit”. Corporate reports in America - "solid linden." Here is an example: the Enron company forged corporate reporting, and then collapsed in one day. And today, virtually any American company on Wall Street, the journalist notes, forges his papers - in order to show income. (Otherwise the stock will collapse!)

Thus, the United States has recently been actively engaged in either printing their green candy wrappers (this printing is their main production), or presenting what they want for the real (and this is their service industry). In inflating financial and other bubbles, they have long become the greatest experts. As for what Mr. Jobs used to say to Congress, it’s not just the technological basis, but also the competition and the super profits that corporate owners are used to getting. In this sense, from “Apple” is no different, for example, the corporation “Microsoft”. Pick up at least a computer mouse, released under this brand - and you read on it: "Made in China".

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  1. SPACE
    SPACE 22 August 2013 07: 56 New
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    Goodbye America ...
    1. Mitek
      Mitek 22 August 2013 08: 45 New
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      Quote: SPACE
      Goodbye America ...

      Are you so naive to believe that the Amer so simply, quietly, peacefully surrender? These guys slam the door so that little seems to anyone! Therefore, we are arming ourselves at an accelerated pace, so that cotton does not fall on us.
      1. a52333
        a52333 22 August 2013 09: 03 New
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        It is difficult to predict the scenario of collapse, I’ll propose one. (!!! IMHO !!!)
        Financial collapse (bubble puncture) will not occur externally. US debt is not as big as domestic. These are debts including interclan. At the moment, financiers are in favor, and industrialists practically do not receive money from the Fed directly, indirectly (in the second order). This is a strong contradiction. Interstate and international friction. In the event of a conflict, only the National Guard may not be enough, the army will be forced to join. All this starts only with financial collapse, respectively - desertion, looting. Moment of three is the number of rifled trunks and even !! tanks !! Private military companies. There porridge and the inside can boil so. As long as no one gets to the nuclear button.
        1. afire
          afire 22 August 2013 09: 17 New
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          one might think that we have no problems, the next article with Siluanov, economists are gagging, not the government, but the mockers. TO STEAL LESS NECESSARY!
          1. Apologet.Ru
            Apologet.Ru 22 August 2013 18: 49 New
            +3
            hi
            How else can you call a country, except P. Indostan, whose External State Debt is - just imagine - 16, 893 trillion dollars, which is 108% (!!!) to GDP.
            And the Indians still call themselves the most powerful economy of the Universe, yeah, right now.
            But other countries, for example -
            - China - 765 billion dollars, which is 14% of the runway
            - Russia - 684 billion dollars, which amounted to 27% of GDP


          2. Cpa
            Cpa 23 August 2013 05: 40 New
            +1
            You don’t need to steal at all !!! It's like a drug, a freebie has become a national idea.
        2. zvereok
          zvereok 22 August 2013 11: 39 New
          +8
          And it will happen years through 100. You need to understand your problems, and look at Serdyukov and they’ll put him to steal some more money, and then there are Serdyukov, the whole government.
          1. alone
            alone 22 August 2013 23: 37 New
            0
            belay maybe all the same it is not necessary ah?
          2. ale-x
            ale-x 23 August 2013 10: 56 New
            0
            You still do not understand ....? Serdyukov - a victim of circumstances, a competent and honest manager, a patriot - finally. Just got into a bad company.
      2. SPACE
        SPACE 22 August 2013 09: 35 New
        +7
        Quote: Mitek
        You are so naive


        Their power is money, no money, no power. Strategic Missile Forces is a means of "quick blowing off", which prevents the slamming of doors, in which case you will have to say goodbye to them forever. As pragmatists, they will choose the lesser of two evils, so they will surrender, slowly and inevitably ...
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 22 August 2013 10: 31 New
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          Quote: SPACE
          they will choose the lesser of two evils

          The lesser of evils (and inevitable blowing away) does not suit them)). They have already chosen the WAR and, in fact, only thanks to the titanic efforts, let’s say, of the “international Putin group”, the WAR is not going along, but across)).
          So what is your prediction of an imminent future victory
          Quote: SPACE
          give up, slowly and inevitably ...

          Yes, God would be in the ears)).
      3. Far East
        Far East 22 August 2013 13: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Mitek
        Are you so naive to believe that the Amer so simply, quietly, peacefully surrender?

        Exactly! this "DUCK" flies for a long time. and we all have "excellent" citizens began to "live better", so we’ll definitely collapse in such a way that we won’t find it!
        1. Far East
          Far East 22 August 2013 13: 35 New
          -2
          what time! then someone got another money grand! Now I am waiting for an explanation of who minusanul! not for the plus sign! I want to hear the eloquence as we are all "excellent"! laughing even funny!
      4. abasov.rm
        abasov.rm 22 August 2013 22: 11 New
        -1
        slam the door so that the whole house will fall apart in the form of the current economic model
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      6. Corsair
        Corsair 23 August 2013 03: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Mitek
        Are you so naive to believe that the Amer so simply, quietly, peacefully surrender? These guys slam the door so that little seems to anyone! Therefore, we are arming ourselves at an accelerated pace, so that cotton does not fall on us.


        And we are “pulling up” the economy, only a state with a powerful industry is able to withstand the challenges of the time ...
    2. strange and pretty meaningless
      strange and pretty meaningless 22 August 2013 12: 09 New
      +6
      "... you can hear more and more often that the Fed does not have so much gold: it is either sold out, or lent, or used as a financial guarantee."

      F-22 is the most expensive fighter in service in the world ... the full price, taking into account all indirect costs and with an expected production volume of 350 million ... they say about the F-22 that it is "worth its weight in gold", which literally corresponded to financial markets in February 2006 - the cost of 19,7 tons of pure gold (weight of empty F-22A) in this period amounted to the same $ 350 million.

      Here it is, where is the little gold ... This is just one example. This "potential bankrupt" was VERY well-prepared for the "distribution of debts." And the pace of preparation is increasing as the "reckoning" approaches. Inclined to agree with
      Quote: Mitek
      These guys slam the door


      So quietly relaxing on the "collapse of decaying capitalism" will not work. After all, we too ... capitalism.
    3. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 23 August 2013 20: 46 New
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      And here is the list of lenders. As we see, starting in February, lenders give less money. In June, $ 63 billion less than in May.

  2. a52333
    a52333 22 August 2013 07: 58 New
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    Thank you, Oleg, for the THEME. From time to time it is necessary to raise it, monitor the topic constantly, maybe someone has infa. Means that I dug up: Lately, China has not taken any bonds from the US Federal Reserve for its deliveries; it is RESELLING them to AMERICAN BANKS, buying up gold.Thus, American banks become "happy owners" of Fed receipts, while China has grown its gold reserves to 500 tons!
    1. Mart
      22 August 2013 08: 10 New
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      Quote: a52333
      Thank you, Oleg, for THEMESHU.

      Please, Alexey. We will raise the topic regularly. hi
      1. cdrt
        cdrt 22 August 2013 10: 13 New
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        hmm ...
        What else could the Republicans write? laughing
        They have a war there between republicans and democrats right now - the same as ours between liberals and ami laughing laughing - any lie is good as a means of victory laughing
        Was there any real evidence that "... and the authorities are hiding ..." in the article? Interesting - without them, the article is just idle talk.

        Well...

        James Hamilton does not understand how the authorities managed to hide these huge amounts


        Perhaps the answer to the question - “was there a boy” consists in the fact that a certain custom-made method was invented, according to which the state debt was “charged” up to 30-70-200 trillion dollars laughing

        Well, about the fact that gold is leased out - this is a common practice around the world.
        In our country, including (though in commercial banks, not in the state bank).

        Would you know that banks with money that people give to them in the form of deposits laughing laughing

        And risk them, and speculate laughing
        In short - without evidence (and not even hide the overstatement of debt by 20% - it will still be visible) - just empty talk.
  3. Oskar
    Oskar 22 August 2013 08: 08 New
    +9
    In addition to the growing psychological lord of the Americans (the “war of cultures” and ever-smoldering ethnic hatred within the United States itself is growing, there are more than 550 extremist organizations of a neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic, separatist and fascist nature in the United States) and US economic problems (growing external debt and state internal debt, as well as the introduction of the euro currency), after the collapse of the USSR, a no less global problem was added - the US desire for global dominance in the world is increasingly resisted. So the "guys" are not far from territorial disintegration! (may God live!)
    1. roninas
      roninas 22 August 2013 23: 48 New
      0
      Yes, in my opinion, they are in danger of territorial disintegration before, even though each state is independent, and each state has its own laws, and federal laws exist over everything .. but the storm will blow, everyone will pull the blanket over themselves, I think , in every state, there will probably be a leader who dreams of independence
  4. svskor80
    svskor80 22 August 2013 08: 27 New
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    The United States behaves this way (accumulating debts) knowing that the rest of the world will not let them collapse, implying that otherwise it will be bad for everyone. But they forget the rule: Better a terrible end than horror without an end. And this will ruin them, someday everyone will spit on green candy wrappers.
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media 22 August 2013 08: 51 New
      +1
      In my opinion it is already possible with theirs bucks in batches to heat Thermal power plants a la peat in briquettes. No, really. And what? How many stamped them? What to do with so much paper? It can be attributed to school as a waste paper (I recall my October and Pioneer years). By God, the Fed will not kill them.
      1. a52333
        a52333 22 August 2013 09: 10 New
        +3
        Since the beginning of the 2008 crisis, the US Federal Reserve has issued 2 trillion dollars and continues to issue $ 85 billion per month "until the situation improves."
        85 000 000 000 / 22 working days / 8 hours = 482 954 545 per hour
        1. Canep
          Canep 22 August 2013 12: 05 New
          +5
          And despite this emission, US debt is growing, In the spring it was 16,7 trillion. in early summer 16,8 is now 16,9. One billion bucks in cash will take, in terms of cargo, a whole wagon, So consider how many wagons their debt grows.
          And 85 wagons of money per month, this is most likely the physical side-altitude of the Fed's printing press productivity.
    2. AK-47
      AK-47 22 August 2013 08: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: svskor80
      The US behaves like this (accumulating debts) knowing that the rest of the world will not let them collapse,

      MMM is resting.
    3. Oskar
      Oskar 22 August 2013 10: 58 New
      +2
      Yes. Capitalist alliance in action.
  5. morpogr
    morpogr 22 August 2013 08: 34 New
    +3
    By their actions, the USA accelerates the process of liquidating themselves more and more. As soon as other countries except for Germany start demanding their gold or redeeming securities of the USA and American companies and are asked to pay it not in dollars, we will see that the king is naked. And take nothing except debts and nothing there are nothing worth green papers. Factories in third world countries, oil corporations are working again not in the usa; only shale mining is spreading nature, agriculture is all chemistry. There is only one resource that the usa can pay for is the land of Russia; it’s necessary to take Alaska as it’s ours and California under the All-Russian health resorts.
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 22 August 2013 08: 42 New
    +5
    The United States is a "poster for a liberal market economy." Behind the "bright candy wrapper" there "hid the rotten filling."

    The main production of the United States is the print of green candy wrappers .. Curtain !!!
  7. Vincente
    Vincente 22 August 2013 08: 43 New
    +2
    to push the su-35 with the f-22,35 and mi-28n with the apache. destroy, humiliate. then let them fall apart
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 26 New
      +9
      Quote: Vincente
      to push the su-35 with the f-22,35 and mi-28n with the apache. destroy, humiliate. then let them fall apart

      It will be more correct that the f-35 collides with the f-22. And we will better observe in such a swar ...
      1. Basil123
        Basil123 22 August 2013 19: 39 New
        +1
        look at what will not be interesting angry
  8. a52333
    a52333 22 August 2013 08: 44 New
    +2
    As soon as other than Germany other countries begin to demand their gold or redeem US securities
    I agree. but at the moment it’s very interesting to track the actions of Germany, what will they do ?????? How other countries will behave, Azerbaijan seems to withdraw its ton. It is necessary to search.
  9. eplewke
    eplewke 22 August 2013 08: 45 New
    +2
    pi * dec sneaked up ... wink
    1. Canep
      Canep 22 August 2013 12: 08 New
      +1
      This is not even a flower after Doge, let's see what kind of berries will be.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 23 August 2013 05: 06 New
        +3
        Yes, nothing will happen ... while the West has decayed, we have already collapsed, plundered, and again try to declare ourselves as a power. and America can send debts with the Tomahawk ... and everyone understands this, so it’s better to give more than debt
  10. dimon-media
    dimon-media 22 August 2013 08: 46 New
    +4
    He put a plus to the author, although he did not subtract anything new from the article. We all know this for a long time how the "economy" of piindostan breathes. Accustomed to receiving unreasonably high salaries, huge subsidies, pensions .. panimash .. First you need to work well (to produce, not to be an office hamster), really do something. In short, you have to pay for everything in the end. here, as in that law of conservation of energy: it does not come from nowhere and does not disappear into nowhere.
    1. eplewke
      eplewke 22 August 2013 11: 37 New
      0
      Bypassing anti-American posts, an NSA employee is definitely ... laughing
  11. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 22 August 2013 08: 48 New
    +4
    Against the background of the article, it seems very strange that our money is placed in a country that is actually bankrupt. All this looks like a betrayal of national interests and protection of others. Well, where is our Accounts Chamber and the UK? And instead of identifying the traitors as "Sailor silence", they are allowed to talk about violations of democracy in Russia-PARADOX!
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 09: 16 New
      +5
      national law.rf read. Everything is within the framework of the constitution, written by a labeled teddy bear and a drunken baryasik under the dictation of the State Department. We discussed this. GDP now advances the theme of nationalizing the Central Bank. For this it is necessary to rewrite paras. constitution.
      1. Russ69
        Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: a52333
        to do this, rewrite p.p. constitution.

        But the change in the constitution of the GDP has already stuttered ...
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 22 August 2013 10: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: kartalovkolya
      Against the background of the article, it looks very strange

      Three or four years ago at any mass forum for comparing the dollar with cut paper pecked to death)).
      The death of the SGA, as is known in Russia)).
      Let's not be like a layman who will always see flaws in the executioner's work)).
      1. Canep
        Canep 22 August 2013 12: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: ctepx
        Three or four years ago at any mass forum for comparing the dollar with cut paper pecked to death)).

        I agree, and maybe I would be the first to start this bite. But when I came across a Wikipedia article on the US public debt ... It was this spring.
  12. Sgt.
    Sgt. 22 August 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Hurry, these shit-fuckers and geo-lovers would have gone bankrupt.
    1. Canep
      Canep 22 August 2013 12: 17 New
      +2
      It won’t make it any easier for us, except that the spectacle will be excellent, the highest-budget film will turn out, and the highest-grossing one. But the price of oil will fall at times, and Kazakhstan and Russia will have a hard time. The Chinese will win, they have all the industrial capacities of the industry, and the decline in oil prices will spur the economy.
      1. a52333
        a52333 22 August 2013 12: 40 New
        +1
        The Chinese will win
        Fat is not a fact! Just China the second "flies." Its economy is linked to US exports. 25-45% will be left without work at one time
        1. Renat
          Renat 22 August 2013 20: 51 New
          +1
          China is also the largest state lender. Such a deal is not at all profitable for them.
  13. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 22 August 2013 08: 58 New
    +5
    Kind! Get away from the mutual settlements in dollars and dollars!
  14. Alex66
    Alex66 22 August 2013 09: 04 New
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    We benefit from the fact that America will not collapse, or maybe it will not collapse, it can be unscrewed at someone else’s expense. What can we oppose America? National welfare, since it has never exceeded American, and now even more so. There was a communist ideology, due to which we attracted peoples and were an example of further development for all of humanity. Without a socialist lifestyle, we are just like Germans, Poles, etc. only poorer, so how can we be an example? What ideas can we offer the world, we have abandoned our own path, we have lost a sense of pride, rightness, we do not live fairly. Our "elite" parasitizes on its people and on the wealth of its country neither investing in it nor anything. So why do we need the fact that America has a crisis, we must live in such a way that the crisis has not affected us (it has not touched the USSR).
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 11: 14 New
      +1
      We benefit from the fact that America will not collapse
      ????? seriously? No?? negative 5 / 6 of the world's population will not agree with you.
      1. vdubcik
        vdubcik 22 August 2013 16: 26 New
        +1
        I wish everything happened faster, I’ll close the loan
        1. Canep
          Canep 22 August 2013 19: 20 New
          +1
          Quote: vdubcik
          I’ll close the loan

          If you took in the bucks, then most likely you will win. But I’m almost sure that there is some clause in your agreement that will allow the bank to avoid serious losses. But I suppose the dollar will be supported by all means. Not soon this collapse will take place.
    2. Basil123
      Basil123 22 August 2013 20: 02 New
      +1
      they guzzle for ours including the bill and what kind of faces they have .. belay with hunger or something
      1. Renat
        Renat 22 August 2013 20: 54 New
        +1
        The average resident of America consumes as much energy as 7 Russians or 16 Indians, etc. etc.
  15. SPBOBL
    SPBOBL 22 August 2013 09: 07 New
    +5

    Alexander Rogers believes that the United States is an "advertising poster of a liberal market economy." Behind the “bright candy wrapper” there was “a rotten filling”.

    As clearly noted, with a full financial house within the United States, the leadership of Pinosia does not reduce, but increases spending on the army, on regimes, etc. ... and a cornered rat, in a fit of despair, God forbid, may it rush ... It would be necessary to send a batch of intercontinental converters rot ... before it's too late.
  16. ZU-23
    ZU-23 22 August 2013 09: 08 New
    +4
    unfortunately, no matter how we spray here, Americans don’t care what kind of debt they have there.
    1. Renat
      Renat 22 August 2013 20: 55 New
      +1
      The worst thing is that they owe it in their own currency. Not in rubles, not in euros, or even in yuan, namely in their green candy wrappers.
  17. Vincente
    Vincente 22 August 2013 09: 10 New
    -1
    Quote: Alex66
    We benefit from the fact that America will not collapse, or maybe it will not collapse, it can be unscrewed at someone else’s expense. What can we oppose America? National welfare, since it has never exceeded American, and now even more so. There was a communist ideology, due to which we attracted peoples and were an example of further development for all of humanity. Without a socialist lifestyle, we are just like Germans, Poles, etc. only poorer, so how can we be an example? What ideas can we offer the world, we have abandoned our own path, we have lost a sense of pride, rightness, we do not live fairly. Our "elite" parasitizes on its people and on the wealth of its country neither investing in it nor anything. So why do we need the fact that America has a crisis, we must live in such a way that the crisis has not affected us (it has not touched the USSR).


    The Eurasian Union to our fraternal neighbors is a union of sovereign states. Next is the project of the Greater Eurasian Union. Unlike the first, it implies wider integration with China, India, Iran, Macedonia and even other European and Asian countries.
  18. Dan master
    Dan master 22 August 2013 09: 18 New
    10
    US refuses to return German gold reserves
  19. denson06
    denson06 22 August 2013 09: 42 New
    +3
    Quote: a52333
    Thank you, Oleg, for the THEME. From time to time it is necessary to raise it, monitor the topic constantly, maybe someone has infa. Means that I dug up: Lately, China has not taken any bonds from the US Federal Reserve for its deliveries; it is RESELLING them to AMERICAN BANKS, buying up gold.Thus, American banks become "happy owners" of Fed receipts, while China has grown its gold reserves to 500 tons!

    Because Americans turnips and itch already for a year .. in China, all the gold that their "green candy wrappers" are provided with .. plus German gold and even the hell knows whose ..
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 11: 20 New
      0
      China's purchases of copper and copper products in April exceeded 399,83 thousand tons in comparison with 374,96 thousand tons in March. According to the state currency control department of the PRC, from September 2008 to April 2009, the state gold reserve was increased by 76% - from 600 t to 1054 t, however, due to domestic purchases. Oil supplies to China from abroad increased in April by 14%. At that time, on the other end of Eurasia, EU countries, on the contrary, reduced their imports by reducing the purchase of raw materials. China may also be interested in diamonds, which are now much cheaper compared to the peak level (approximately $ 3700 carats versus $ 4900 in November - a speech about VS2 grade diamonds (with very fine inclusions) of color G (with a slight shade of yellowness). Recently, De Beers, one of the world's largest diamond producers, launched a campaign to promote diamonds as an investment
      1. abdrah
        abdrah 22 August 2013 21: 17 New
        +1
        Well, yes, de Beers, and who else could sing about diamonds? the thing is that a diamond is not as indispensable as a drag metal, especially as a calculated or investment tool. If you wish, you can synthesize them artificially, could you distinguish a natural diamond from a synthetic one? Personally, I do not - the glass cuts both.
        Yes, and it’s not clear that such money is $ 3700 carats (0,2g), it’s less than buckwheat. The same de Beers artificially restrains the production of diamonds, so God forbid not to drop the price. By the way, when a diamond is heated above 900 ° C, it burns like coal-carbon and there is carbon, God forbid there will be no ash left in the diamond store, only CO2, although in America in 2001 several thousand tons of gold evaporated in the basements of the twin towers, the buildings collapsed, the gold evaporated, but the passports of the Arab terrorists are not made of gold or diamond, they survived ..
  20. onegin61
    onegin61 22 August 2013 10: 13 New
    +2
    America prints dollars, lives off the whole world, which accepts these dollars. Is this good or bad? Suppose America stops printing them (which is simply not conceivable to refuse such a freebie), or at least reduce their printing, they will become smaller on the market, the deficit will lead to an increase in the equivalent of all world currencies and partial (with a decrease in printing) or full (upon termination) defaulted. Indeed, for the time being, everyone is constantly buying dollars to replenish their reserves and settlements. But it’s impossible to print dollars indefinitely, especially in such quantities, and this America understands, but can’t do anything, and doesn’t know what to do next, and doesn’t want to, because you have to really earn a living and give up freebies, which is so sweet. And that the colossus (GDP) is strong, it is such a bluff, production has long been taken abroad, where they really work and earn.
  21. onegin61
    onegin61 22 August 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    America prints dollars, lives off the whole world, which accepts these dollars. Is this good or bad? Suppose America stops printing them (which is simply not conceivable to refuse such a freebie), or at least reduce their printing, they will become smaller on the market, the deficit will lead to an increase in the equivalent of all world currencies and partial (with a decrease in printing) or full (upon termination) defaulted. Indeed, for the time being, everyone is constantly buying dollars to replenish their reserves and settlements. But it’s impossible to print dollars indefinitely, especially in such quantities, and this America understands, but can’t do anything, and doesn’t know what to do next, and doesn’t want to, because you have to really earn a living and give up freebies, which is so sweet. And that the colossus (GDP) is strong, it is such a bluff, production has long been taken abroad, where they really work and earn.
  22. DIMAS
    DIMAS 22 August 2013 10: 14 New
    +1
    And how many Russian gold coins are there, too, for sure, damn unmeasured .....
    And by the way, where did the vaunted Stabilization Fund go, does anyone know ??????
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: DIMAS
      And how many Russian gold coins are there, too, for sure, damn unmeasured .....

      Not a gram. Russia keeps its gold at home.
  23. individual
    individual 22 August 2013 10: 19 New
    +1
    The authors of the publication convincingly prove that the United States does not live in a virtual, but a virtual financial world.
    Virtual "life" in the computer can be stopped with the "Game Over" button.
  24. minimum
    minimum 22 August 2013 10: 20 New
    -9
    Americans have the main thing not to worry too much about them - the best army in the world, against which all the rest, at best, backward gangs. having a better army, you can solve any problems, especially debt)
    1. Russ69
      Russ69 22 August 2013 10: 33 New
      +5
      Quote: minimum
      Americans have the main thing not to worry too much about them - the best army in the world, against which all the rest, at best, backward gangs. having a better army, you can solve any problems, especially debt)

      Against the army of other states, yes. It’s already difficult to fight against partisans; such a war simply drains resources at a tremendous speed. Even when America waged a war in Iraq and Afghanistan and stuttered about Iran, the American generals said that America would not pull the 3rd war.
      1. onegin61
        onegin61 22 August 2013 10: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: Russ69
        American generals said that America would not pull the 3rd war.

        Americans will not go to war for an idea (like ours) or for 3 rubles (or if "there is no soul and fresh beer"), but they will print money, and the whole world will pay
    2. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 11: 24 New
      +4
      Americans have the main thing not to worry about them especially - the best army in the world,
      And this army needs to be financed somehow, and China and Russia began to refuse green toilet paper.
      1. Tu-214R
        Tu-214R 22 August 2013 17: 33 New
        +1
        Only here in Russia a little (rumors, gossip, news), the population runs to buy bucks - what kind of fuel do illusions eat?
        That's how the United States will stay afloat, thanks to hamsters around the world. And such articles are already tired of how many years the states are “in the pit”, how many they are buried and will not be buried.
  25. silver_roman
    silver_roman 22 August 2013 10: 45 New
    +3
    and yet I wonder how it all ends ??? this situation reminds me of a hydrogen bomb with a cocked timer. No one knows how many years, months or even days remain on this timer, but what will happen when 00: 00: 00: 00: 00 appears on the dial ????
    It becomes even creepy!
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 11: 31 New
      +9
      Financiers after the collapse of the dollar predict a "financial winter." In my opinion - we are trained, we will winter! We possess great wealth - oil, gas, forest, drinking water, SMART and NON-GEYROPIZED people. We wintered.
      1. Canep
        Canep 22 August 2013 12: 25 New
        +4
        Wintering. It will not be easy, but not deadly.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 22 August 2013 12: 59 New
        +6
        our people are really patient, but I'm talking about the consequences for the whole world.
        How will all this affect the state of the world community?
        a little about astronomy: when a star dies, at first its radius increases many times. using the example of the sun, it would burn the entire solar system and consume it.
        So with the states: whatever one may say, but a lot of them are tied. And what will happen when the states take the path of the beginning of the end ??? try to survive at the expense of others. Their entire duty is more than a dozen numbers, but all this is only on paper. And to erase these numbers. they need to erase the current system, which is the basis for these numbers. And I’m sure that they will try to do this, but without a global war this is not possible. Of course there is always an alternative (I hold this point of view in almost everything), but as a rule, a sick beast follows the path of least resistance, I don’t think about the consequences. This is scary. And Russia will always have claims and the desire to destroy it for only one main reason: we are the owners of the richest land, saturated with ALL that is needed for a good life, prosperity and the most promising prospects. The development of less than 40 years of the USSR has shown this. It is for this reason that the look of a half-dead jackal will, as always, be fixed on us at that very historical moment when we are very weak. And they are weak not because we have fewer ships or aircraft, but because our people are divided!
        1. a52333
          a52333 22 August 2013 13: 33 New
          +1
          Novel:
          1) I would not compare the modern economy with the economy, and even more so with astronomy. The classical economy says that for the normal existence of commodity-money relations, the amount of money in the economy should be 60-70% of GDP.
          Globally, now 300%. (I'm talking about world money) The Russian Federation is just balanced.
          2) about the fact that no one wants to part with a freebie - I completely agree.
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 22 August 2013 14: 23 New
            +2
            I'm not talking about the economy, Alexei, but about the consequences of its destruction.
            And I compared this destruction to the destruction of a star.
            Perhaps I didn’t understand you correctly, but your words give the impression that the Russian Federation will not affect all of this, and given that we have a certain balance, the trouble will pass by. Remember the same crisis of 2008. It’s just a couple of financial institutions that went bankrupt, panic started on the stock exchange and as a result of all this, the Russian Federation lost about 5 years in development. This is just a small click on the nose compared to what it might be. Although it seems to me the whole scale of a possible collapse seems to be difficult.
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  27. Concept1
    Concept1 22 August 2013 10: 51 New
    +4
    The United States and Europe have state. debt exceeds gdp, that is, they live off of China, Russia and the rest of the world.
  28. komsomolets
    komsomolets 22 August 2013 11: 03 New
    +5
    The situation resembles the following - Obama early Gorbachev, United States-late USSR. We are waiting for American August 91.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 22 August 2013 11: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: komsomolets
      Waiting for American August 91.

      Wow, still as we wait. Let p_ndosy slurp an awl of molasses. And it will be fair.
    2. CTEPX
      CTEPX 25 August 2013 04: 49 New
      0
      Quote: komsomolets
      Obama early Gorbachev, USA-late USSR. We are waiting for American August 91.

      To do this, Obama must become a traitor and seek help from Russian comrades)).
  29. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 22 August 2013 11: 24 New
    +3
    M-yes, Mavrodi nervously smokes on the sidelines.
  30. MIKK1972
    MIKK1972 22 August 2013 11: 52 New
    +3
    Why, then, the ruble cheaper at the rate of American candy wrappers?
    1. Cpa
      Cpa 23 August 2013 05: 57 New
      +1
      A low level of the ruble is beneficial in export settlements. Roughly speaking, the higher the petrodollar exchange rate, the higher its purchasing and investment ability in Russia.
  31. Standard Oil
    Standard Oil 22 August 2013 12: 13 New
    +3
    The Americans will hold on to the last, the state debt level will be raised and raised, raised, raised, raised ... until a critical mass is gained, but until that very second they will print and print money, and then, maybe just go over to the gold standard again, having completely chopped off their tail in the form of a national debt, this is the most “safe” option for them, yes, they will lose the status of world leader, yes they will become outcasts all over the world, yes aircraft carriers will have to be sawed up or sold, and the army will have to be reduced to a low level The 20th century, and zone 51 will have to be closed and the aliens sold out, but as a U.S. state, they may well remain in one form or another. Another option for them is to stir up the quick 3 world war and at least defeat it.
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 12: 45 New
      +3
      Yes, it doesn’t work out so simply! There the BASIC debts are domestic. External at 50% - China and Japan. the rest are collectively smaller than the two. That's the joke that the main debt is inter-American. And no one can write it off so simply. This is a war between clans.
  32. kaa_andrey
    kaa_andrey 22 August 2013 12: 14 New
    +3
    the Indian prophecy about the "black" president comes true ?!
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 12: 46 New
      +2
      And detail?
  33. USNik
    USNik 22 August 2013 12: 27 New
    +2
    Quote: AK-47
    Quote: svskor80
    The US behaves like this (accumulating debts) knowing that the rest of the world will not let them collapse,

    MMM is resting.

    No, it’s not resting, the USA is the global MMM with its fists, they have shot money around the world, and now they are sitting offended, they say, why do you need your gold? Let it stay with us, but now the panic will begin, you will have to print the coupons for your deposits, create a new pyramid, plant Barak Mavrodivich ... Do not let the gold be with us, well, did you understand? hi
  34. Makarov
    Makarov 22 August 2013 12: 30 New
    +3
    I wonder how the Germans will return their gold? Get on your knees?)
  35. Yarosvet
    Yarosvet 22 August 2013 12: 35 New
    +5
    Money is virtual - hence debt is virtual.

    World GDP of 72 trillion, world debt of nearly 200 trillion - so what? This does not mean anything - the numbers are arbitrary.
    Such a result is provided by the loan interest (the product rises in price according to plan) and the financial market (unsecured virtual money makes the same money).

    Nothing fatal happens: if necessary, several zeros are removed (as it was in the USSR / RF in 1922, 1947, 1961, 1998), and that’s all.
    1. a52333
      a52333 22 August 2013 12: 52 New
      +2
      Nothing fatal happens: if necessary, several zeros are removed
      Option, but agree that this option means the disappearance of $ as a reserve currency. Step two Press shutdown = funding gap. Step three. The impossibility of financing the US Army, because their economy is a typewriter.
      1. Yarosvet
        Yarosvet 22 August 2013 21: 32 New
        +2
        Quote: a52333
        but agree that this option means the disappearance of $ as a reserve currency. Step two Press shutdown = funding gap. Step three. The impossibility of financing the US Army, because their economy is a typewriter.
        I do not agree.

        The dollar is a reserve currency simply because it was agreed once.
        Most of the savings of both states and "elites" are converted into dollars - even if it collapses, no one will refuse it anyway, since in case of failure much more is lost.
        The printing press does not work on its own, but within the framework of global financial policy, agreements and competition.
        It is not clear to me how the impossibility of financing the army will arise: a plane cost 100 million - it will cost 10, otherwise everything will remain as it was.
        Their economy is a complete set from real production and high-tech to services. Their domestic market is much better developed than ours. The printing press is just a segment of the general market.
  36. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 22 August 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    By the way, you can make fun of the Germans as much as you want, whose amers depressed the gold, but we don’t really laugh - our STAB fund also settled there! .....
  37. coserg 2012
    coserg 2012 22 August 2013 13: 18 New
    +2
    The real beginning of the end of the states will be when our migrants rush back to Russia. From this it will be possible to begin the countdown.
  38. rocketman
    rocketman 22 August 2013 13: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: SPACE
    The expert believes that the States themselves order music, because their obligations are expressed mostly in US dollars. For example, Warren Buffett claims that the US government cannot go bankrupt because it can print dollars to cover its obligations in dollars.

    but, excuse me, the Fed is a private office, and the US government borrowed money from it at a percentage!
    There is already so much that it will never give up ..
  39. Roots
    Roots 22 August 2013 13: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: Russ69
    that America will not pull the 3rd war.

    It’s quite logical .... and if you also sell oil in rubles, then the Americans will bend 2 times faster ...
  40. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 22 August 2013 14: 46 New
    +1
    There were rumors of a Chinese Dragon family and American gold. Perhaps now the Americans are simply repaying Draconian debts (and even with interest).
  41. Paul
    Paul 22 August 2013 15: 45 New
    -1
    Quote: Roots
    Quote: Russ69
    that America will not pull the 3rd war.

    It’s quite logical .... and if you also sell oil in rubles, then the Americans will bend 2 times faster ...


    do not tell oil for rubles))) only for gold, platinum and rarely earth metals IMHO

    who needs paper?)))


    and amers Malays row real things for a roll of toilet paper

    a classmate (from a cunning nation) left for the United States in the early 90s, and so she answered me: "is the crisis? the crisis is with the blacks, and the cake is OK)))"
  42. buga1979
    buga1979 22 August 2013 17: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: Makarov
    I wonder how the Germans will return their gold? Get on your knees?)

    probably rolls apart, well, this is a joke, and so I think the Bosh will think
  43. solomon
    solomon 22 August 2013 17: 23 New
    +2
    And why, please tell me, all (or almost all) countries to keep their gold in the United States?
    What, even a country like Germany does not trust itself? Or is it more reliable in the USA?
    If so, then here is the proof of reliability. Gold is stored so securely that it cannot even be returned.
  44. regsSSSR
    regsSSSR 22 August 2013 17: 34 New
    +1
    one thing is for sure the GREAT AMERICAN FREEBY is nearing sunset! Potam how to fool forever the whole world will not receive even from them, and sooner or later the soap bubble will burst (Dolar will scalp) !!! America is like a wounded bloodthirsty beast rushing around the world (of course in sheep’s clothing), which has grown enormous fangs and claws in a confrontation with the USSR and has been intoxicated by its impunity for the past 20 years and rotate to die such a noble beast as mediocre as the Union does not assemble (because capitalism is completely different rules games) she’s dying to the bottom of everyone !! THE WHOLE WORLD!! and we are no exception because we all (the whole world) are in the same dolor-capitalist team and we all play one way or another according to the rules imposed by amers !! and even for the death of this beast, the whole world will have to pay a high price !!!
  45. sprut
    sprut 22 August 2013 18: 23 New
    +1
    America has one way out - a war with everyone!
  46. darksoul
    darksoul 22 August 2013 18: 41 New
    +1
    They constantly talk about this debt hole, and that the end is near .... the end of the couple is not visible
  47. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 22 August 2013 19: 42 New
    +1
    At first I wanted to write: "The road is there for them!"

    Then he thought - and yet they can use the recipe developed by them and time-tested - a world war.

    And the Yankees will say: "To whom we owe, we forgive everyone!"

    How long?
  48. 31231
    31231 22 August 2013 20: 46 New
    +1
    I am not a financier, but there was an assumption that the real debt of the USA is higher. Even with the departure of part of the production of multinational companies in Southeast Asia, the US leadership continues to "live on a grand scale." It has long been clear that the budget is scarce. I would say "wild deficit". Now I wish that production would shift as far as possible outside the United States and this soap bubble will slowly deflate. If it bursts now, then we all will not show enough.
  49. Savva30
    Savva30 22 August 2013 20: 58 New
    +1
    they need a war to boost the economy, and they will try to organize it ...
    1. 31231
      31231 22 August 2013 22: 44 New
      +1
      Another myth of tornet. Any war is a cost. Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya are examples of this.
      If that were the case, Syria would have been bombed.
      1. CTEPX
        CTEPX 25 August 2013 04: 58 New
        0
        Quote: 31231
        If that were the case, Syria would have been bombed.

        I would not want to be a prophet.
        But the situation is painfully reminiscent of Spanish events. And the wild problems of the "holders of the world", and the gradual formation of Russia, and the fact that fascism already existed, but Hitler (as the leader of obscurantists) was not yet ...
        I'm afraid that we will have to see the bombing of Syria.
  50. smart ass
    smart ass 22 August 2013 21: 30 New
    +2
    Gold, government debt ... all these are empty words ... guys print dollars from paper for which they buy resources around the world, stupidly for paper ... this is the problem
    1. 31231
      31231 22 August 2013 22: 47 New
      0
      Can you read what inflation and unsecured money supply are ?! The United States would not borrow money from banks and external sources, if Green's papers could be stupidly stamped. Bernarka is a competent official, with the current anus, the dollar keeps the course within.