Military Review

Cooperation with Vietnam. Money and politics

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Over the past years, exports of Russian weapons and military equipment have been constantly growing. Different countries regularly choose Russian military products and enter into multimillion-dollar contracts. Especially pleasant is the fact that the list of buyers is constantly updated with new states that have not previously bought weapon and equipment from Russia. However, it should be noted that the number of such countries and the volume of their contracts are relatively small. The main revenues of the Russian defense industry are associated with several countries that regularly procure Russian armaments and equipment. For example, India and China, according to the Stockholm Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), over the past ten years (from 2002 to 2012 a year) have acquired Russian weapons and equipment worth over 21 and 19 billion US dollars, respectively.


Fifth place in terms of purchases of Russian weapons in the same period ranked Vietnam. In recent years, this country has been actively re-equipping its army, and at the same time it prefers Russian armaments and equipment. Over the past ten years, the Vietnamese military have concluded several contracts with Russian manufacturers with a total volume of 2687 million dollars. The financially most interesting year was 2011, during which Vietnam ordered Russian equipment for 1,3 billion dollars. Despite the volatility of financial performance for a given year (for example, in 2007, the cost of Russian-Vietnamese contracts amounted to only two million dollars), military-technical cooperation between Russia and Vietnam continues and, according to Vietnamese military leaders, will not stop in the future .

Cooperation with Vietnam. Money and politics
Distribution of supplies to Vietnam for producing countries. SIPRI data

Distribution of supplies to Vietnam according to the classes of weapons and equipment. SIPRI data


Considering the detailed information on the procurement of weapons and military equipment by Vietnam, it is easy to see how successful Russian products are. The second place in terms of supplies to Vietnam over the past ten years has been Ukraine, which has sold weapons and equipment to 84 million dollars. For comparison, it is worthwhile to cite the general indicators of all countries that supply weapons to Vietnam, with the exception of Russia. For ten years, Germany, Israel, Canada, Poland, Romania, Ukraine and the Czech Republic sold Vietnam only military products for 163 million. Such a difference in the volume of contracts clearly shows the technical, economic and political views of the Vietnamese military leadership.

One of the most profitable for Russia cooperation articles with Vietnam is the supply of combat aircraft. The first contract, in accordance with which the Russian defense industry handed over five aircraft Su-27SK and Su-27UBK to the Vietnamese military, was signed back in the year 1994 and executed over the next two years. At the end of the first contract, at the end of 1996, another one was concluded, implying the delivery of six more aircraft of the same models. Over the past ten years, Vietnam has ordered multi-role fighters from Russia three times. So, in 2003, he acquired four Su-30MK2В aircraft, and in 2008 and 2010, he increased the number of such fighters by 8 and 12 units, respectively.




In the very near future, another contract may be signed for the supply of aircraft to Vietnam. Currently, Russia and China are negotiating the sale of X-NUMX Su-24 fighters, and such a deal could have a corresponding effect on the military-political situation in Southeast Asia. Following China, Vietnam will also have to upgrade its air force to maintain an acceptable balance of power. Therefore, soon after the signing of the Russian-Chinese contract, a similar agreement with Vietnam may appear.

The second important area of ​​military-technical cooperation between Russia and Vietnam is the surface and submarine fleet. Prior to 2016, Russia will build and transfer to the Vietnamese naval sailors six diesel-electric submarines of the 636.1 Varshavyanka project. Two of these submarines are currently being tested, the third will be launched shortly.




In 2011, two patrol ships of the 11661 “Cheetah” project built in Russia were accepted into the Vietnamese Navy. At the end of the same year, the Vietnamese military signed a new contract, according to which two more ships of this type will be handed over to 2016 and 2017. The construction of new guard will begin in the coming months.

Earlier, in 2007, Vietnam received the first two missile boats of Project 12418 Lightning. Subsequently, an agreement was signed, according to which the construction of these boats is carried out at Vietnamese enterprises. Construction is under the supervision of Russian organizations that developed the project and built boats on it. At the end of the current 2013, it is planned to transfer the fleet The first boat built by Vietnam on its own. Currently, the command of the naval forces of the Asian state intends to bring the number of boats of the project 12418 to ten. In the future, it is possible to conclude new contracts.

Cooperation in the field of technology for the naval forces is not limited to ships, submarines and boats. Over the coming months, an integrated simulator for training submarine crews will be commissioned in Vietnam. This complex was manufactured by NPO Aurora and is intended for training crews for Russian-made submarines to be supplied to Vietnam. In addition to the simulator for the submarine crews, the Vietnamese Navy will receive two similar complexes designed for training the crews of the Gepard patrol boats and the Molniya missile boats.

The volume of Vietnamese investments in recent years in defense directly indicates that the official Hanoi has good reasons for such an economic policy. Perhaps the main motive for strengthening the army is the difficult situation around several islands of the South China Sea. These land areas are subject to territorial disputes between Vietnam, China and the Philippines. In addition, a difficult situation is observed with respect to some sections of the continental plume, which, it is claimed, may have large mineral reserves. In this case, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and other states of Southeast Asia can join the disputes over the territories.

Thus, in the near future, the issue of mining in the region may turn into, at a minimum, diplomatic disputes. In this case, the development of the armed forces is an additional argument that supports the position of a country. If the disputes around the shelf and the islands really bring the situation to an armed conflict or open preconditions to it, a powerful army of any of the states can force opponents to return to the negotiating table. Asian countries understand this and are actively developing their armed forces. The SIPRI information speaks most clearly about the pace of such development. According to Stockholm analysts, over the five years from 2008 to 2012, the volume of purchases of weapons and military equipment by the states of Southeast Asia increased by almost 170 percent compared to 2003-2007 over the years.

Increasing the defense expenses of Asian states is in a certain sense useful for Russia. A lot of countries in this region are purchasing Russian military products, and in the light of the constant increase in costs, such cooperation is becoming more profitable every year. For example, the Vietnamese commanders in recent years have repeatedly talked about strengthening and developing military-technical cooperation with Russia. The result of these statements at the present time are several long-term contracts, according to which the Vietnamese military will receive new weapons and equipment of various classes in the coming years.

Despite the relatively small volume of contracts (especially in comparison with India and China), Vietnam is an important partner of Russia in military-technical cooperation. If current trends continue, the Vietnamese armed forces will be able to increase the pace of purchases of Russian weapons and military equipment. At the same time, Vietnam is unlikely to look for new sellers. This assumption is supported by his extensive experience of cooperation with our country, as well as the modern composition of the fleet of vehicles of the army, navy and air force. As a result, cooperating with Vietnam, Russia receives both economic benefits and a reliable ally in Southeast Asia.


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  1. bulvas
    bulvas 20 August 2013 08: 27 New
    +9
    At the same time, Vietnam is unlikely to seek new sellers.

    Do not reassure yourself, if you rely only on this - someday they will definitely start looking for new sellers.

    We need to keep track of time, develop new ones, and also actively conduct diplomatic work in the right direction.
  2. Kovrovsky
    Kovrovsky 20 August 2013 09: 06 New
    +9
    Our friendship with Vietnam has been tested by war, and it is worth a lot!
    1. edge
      edge 20 August 2013 14: 49 New
      +5
      and not one, after the Americans, the Chinaeas also stuck in there (and also got into the melon)
    2. lazy
      lazy 20 August 2013 16: 03 New
      +7
      Well, we freed the Bulgarians from the Turkish yoke, so what? World War I against Russia, World War II against Russia, they immediately gave slack to NATO, I hope that the Vietnamese are not such prostitutes as the Bulgarians, but the best guarantee of friendship is strong Russia
      1. Jipo
        Jipo 20 August 2013 17: 43 New
        +5
        Exactly, not prostitutes, Vietnamese uncompromising soldiers, they do not trade their homeland. Only in the last century, the French, Americans, Chinese, and our compatriots were convinced of this, fighting alongside them. Thank God the rebuilders did not manage to lower our reputation there below the baseboard, and their hands did not reach. There, business projects in the field of oil and energy also go off with a bang, why change their proven partners for years, they understand this.
      2. StolzSS
        StolzSS 20 August 2013 19: 14 New
        +1
        The Vietnamese mentality is very different from the Bulgarian. So if our tops act competently, then in case of a pale, the Viet Cong will, as before, defend their Lenso without mercy hi
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 21 August 2013 00: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: lazy
        Well, we freed the Bulgarians from the Turkish yoke, so what? World War I against Russia, World War II against Russia, they immediately gave slack to NATO, I hope that the Vietnamese are not such prostitutes as the Bulgarians, but the best guarantee of friendship is strong Russia


        Atipa was beaten by the Turks so that only the Bulgarians could be freed ??? At the expense of NATO - we would have been accepted too, but then the Amerkos would not have an enemy, but the Bulgarians stupidly bought, and at the same time they accepted, and if they try to get out, they just gouge them with tomahawks and tear them to pieces.

        Regarding Vietnam, I’ll explain something. Vietnam does not buy weapons from us because it is super and not because we are friends forever. They buy from those who will be guaranteed by the enemy of the United States and NATO, that is, from those who pursue the correct foreign policy, the policy of non-interference in the internal politics of sovereign states. The American, in turn, did not care about all the rules and laws, in bulk, and will do only what is beneficial to him in the current moment. To do business with amers at the state level is like fighting shit - you can win but you will be all in shit. And ours are still trying to keep their word and will be in the future, so Vietnam is doing business with us so far, until it screwed up ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 21 August 2013 14: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Vietnam does not buy weapons from us because it is super and not because we are friends forever.

          - Well, super or not super, and the Americans got it into the melon well with Soviet weapons. At the same time, the Amers had weapons that were newest at that time - and for the first time helicopters were used, the famous Phantoms were already in full use ... So your prosaic explanation, like, "is bought not because it’s good, but because there’s simply no one else" inexpensive, because, to put it mildly, not true. Of course, we are discussing Russian weapons here, we are not discussing at the very amateurish level, and therefore we know that Soviet (now Russian) weapons have their weaknesses and weaknesses, but THIS does not mean at all that this weapon is BAD. Quite the contrary, Russian weapons are one of the best deals in the world. And in terms of price-quality ratio, in general, the best. That is, some weapons can be found better, but very expensive. For example, the same “Spike” is slightly better than the “Cornet” - well, experts say so. But the price of Spike's shot is THREE (!) Times more expensive than Cornet laughing We will fill enemy tanks with 999 gold! laughing So the Vietnamese fellows, quickly realized what was happening and really know what they are buying! In contrast to the same Saudis, or here are potential opponents of the Vietnamese - Singaporeans. Those intentionally bought only the most expensive, mainly from amers. And there will be a conflict - and so what? Yes, the Vietnamese Singaporeans will tear like a tusik heating pad. Because they know how to fight and because they are armed with the best weapons that they have already experienced in the business and which have been well studied.
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 20 August 2013 18: 33 New
      +1
      Naturally -will you buy here when China is under your nose

      while there will be tension with China over the disputed territories, you want Vietnam you want to have to arm yourself with modern weapons, especially through the Navy
      Of course, China cannot keep up with the pace of armaments, but Vietnam is trying to at least somehow minimize threats

      moreover, they buy not only from us, but also in Europe and Belarus
      here in the photo recently Vietnam received the first radars from Belorussia-Vostok e

      Yes, 40% of the current armament is American-inherited after the fall of Saigon
  3. avt
    avt 20 August 2013 09: 39 New
    +4
    Quote: Kovrovsky
    Our friendship with Vietnam has been tested by war, and it is worth a lot!

    Well, you should not rely on this, of course, we have certain positions because of this, but the Vietnamese are very pragmatic guys and they will not let us rest on old laurels.
  4. Arabist
    Arabist 20 August 2013 09: 43 New
    12
    Of course it’s not worth it, there are some good examples. March 3, 2013 Bulgaria celebrated the 135th anniversary of the liberation from the Turks. Russian weapons and Russian blood. And the Bulgarian brothers are forever grateful to us for this. Perhaps that is why in the entire history of Bulgaria they did not shy from participating in any anti-Russian coalition, ending with the current NATO.
    1. old man54
      old man54 20 August 2013 14: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Arabist
      And the Bulgarian brothers are forever grateful to us for this. This is probably why in the entire history of Bulgaria they did not shy from participating in any anti-Russian coalition

      sad, sad, but true !! recourse
      1. edge
        edge 20 August 2013 15: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: old man54
        And the Bulgarian brothers are forever grateful to us for this. This is probably why in the entire history of Bulgaria they did not shy from participating in any anti-Russian coalition

        that the truth is the truth, their neighbors taught for all the guests to lie down ....
    2. Jipo
      Jipo 20 August 2013 17: 47 New
      +1
      By the way, they didn’t evade, but they didn’t even raise arms at us, and they didn’t even declare war on us in the Second World War, the Bulgarian government explained that “the people wouldn’t understand”, so that the rulers were definitely traitors, the Habsburgs reigned there, but the people didn’t shoot at ours, even in Hungary they fought along with ours, and there the meat grinder was comparable to Stalingrad, if not technically cooler.
  5. smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 10: 34 New
    +6
    Not everything is as simple as we would like. If before Vietnam completely bought weapons from us, now it’s not. So in 2005, Vietnam acquired 480 T-72M1 from the Poles, 1 copy of the An-28 PZL M28 Skytruck. It is actively developing cooperation with Israel, for example, the modernization by the Israelis of 300 Vietnamese T-54 / T-55s, the purchase of 200 Israeli Raman LMEs, negotiations are underway to purchase 4 Dutch Sigma corvettes. There is talk of Vietnam acquiring 6 R-3 Orion patrol planes from the United States, and 6 DHC-6 Twin Otters from Canada, 2 of which are already being tested in Vietnam. 2 French patrol helicopters Eurocopter EC225 Super Puma and 8 transport Aérospatiale Super Puma were bought from the French. The Spaniards bought 3 CASA C-212 Aviocar patrol aircraft for the maritime police. However, while Vietnam has ordered another project 11661E (Cheetah-3.9) from us, which should be laid down in September this year, with deadlines for 2016 and 2017, respectively, in addition to two previously purchased and 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.1. the first of which HQ-182 Hà Nội (Hanoi) was laid in 2010, launched on 28.08.2012 and is expected to be launched this November, the second HQ-183 Hồ Chí Minh (Ho Chi Minh) years, and launched on December 28.09.2011, 28.12.2012, the laying of the third HQ-184 Ha Phong (Haiphong) is expected in late August. we also purchased 2 S-300 divisions and 20 Igla MANPADS with 400 missiles for them. Vietnam ordered to purchase 8 Yak-130 Regards! hi
    The Vietnamese patrol ship HQ-011 Đinh Tiên Hoàng of the 11661 project ("Cheetah-3.9") and the Chinese frigate Huangshan of the 054 project. Gulf of Tonkin 20.06.2013
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 August 2013 11: 38 New
      +1
      I will be like
      Quote: smiths xnumx



      Ukraine will repair Vietnamese aircraft
      22 July 2013, 16: 35


      su27-10
      Ukroboronprom will repair Vietnamese military aircraft. Corresponding contracts were signed in Hanoi. So, according to the documents, Ukraine will conduct technical consultations and repair of AL-31F aircraft engines, which are used in Su-27 aircraft and its modifications.

      “Vietnam is a promising country for the production of the national defense industry complex. We will continue to strengthen the position of Ukraine and our national defense industry complex in the state market, ”said Sergey Gromov, Director General of Ukroboronprom during the negotiations.


      and yes who told me that in that region quiet and smooth))))

      The volume of Vietnamese investments in recent years in defense directly indicates that the official Hanoi has good reasons for such an economic policy. Perhaps the main motive for strengthening the army is the difficult situation around several islands of the South China Sea. These land areas are subject to territorial disputes between Vietnam, China and the Philippines. In addition, a difficult situation is observed with respect to some sections of the continental plume, which, it is claimed, may have large mineral reserves. In this case, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and other states of Southeast Asia can join the disputes over the territories.
      1. smiths xnumx
        smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 11: 50 New
        +5
        Hooray, well, at least somewhere the military-industrial complex “non-independent” has found its application, I hope not like in Kazakhstan.
        Secondly, we discussed Thailand, which generally has no COMMON BORDERS with China. And the fact that Kyatia and Vietnam have eternal problems (they have been at war for centuries), so they even fought in 1979, even a schoolboy knows. The Vietnamese even have a saying: "If you meet a Chinese and a cobra on the road. First kill the Chinese and then the cobra." Yes, and the Chinese have not forgotten the settlement of "Huaqiao" in 1978. China has similar problems with the Philippines. Or the expert is going to dispute the fact that China considers Taiwan its "rebellious province" and regularly threatens it with a military invasion, though its hands are still short.
        1. Kars
          Kars 20 August 2013 11: 55 New
          +1
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          Has no common borders with China

          Vietnam, China and the Philippines

          The Philippines also do not have common borders)))))
          Quote: smiths xnumx
          then China considers Taiwan its “rebellious province”

          Quote: Kars
          In this case, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and other countries of Southeast Asia can join disputes around the territories.

          Logic, try to start using it. You can also say that Malaysia has a common border with China. You will become.
          1. smiths xnumx
            smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 12: 21 New
            +1
            The card must be read "expert". The Philippines and China have problems due to the Paracel Islands (Spratly archipelago), the same problems with other countries:
            The Paracel Islands (Sisha in Chinese cartography, Hoangsha in the Vietnamese) are located in the South China Sea, 200 km southeast of the Chinese island of Hainan and 300 km east of the coast of Vietnam. The archipelago consists of 15 islands, as well as reefs and sandbanks located on the territory of 46 thousand square kilometers in a radius of about 100 km. Its length from west to east is 180 km, and from north to south - 170 km, the total area of ​​the islands is about 3 sq. Km. On the Vietnamese maps, the archipelago is considered as a whole, while on Chinese it is divided into two groups of islands - Amphitrite and Croissant.

            In November 2002, an agreement was signed between China, Vietnam, the Philippines, Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan, according to which the decision on the status of the disputed Paracel Islands and the Spratly Archipelago was postponed until 2052, i.e. for 50 years. And in March 2005, the oil companies of China, Vietnam and the Philippines signed an agreement on joint exploration of hydrocarbon deposits on these islands. A joint statement made after that emphasized that these works "relate to a commercial project and are not related to territorial disputes." However, the issue of the territorial affiliation of the Paracel Islands is periodically exacerbated.

            http://www.nbenegroup.com/territory/sisha.html
            . Once again, I urge you to learn the materiel and geography, it can be seen in the "Square 2 school they study only the globe of Ukraine."
            1. smile
              smile 20 August 2013 13: 25 New
              +4
              smiths xnumx
              Your disrespectful attacks on the author are not entirely clear. This article is not a monograph, therefore it has the form of a general review, without a detailed analysis. It is also unclear why passages about Ukraine — is the author’s place of residence related to the topic of the article? Did he touch Russia at least with something?
              Put yourself in the place of Ukrainians - how would you like such arrivals, which have nothing to do with the information contained in the article, and the degree of its reliability.
              1. smiths xnumx
                smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 14: 35 New
                +3
                Dear smile, sorry, but
                Author Ryabov Cyril
                Kirill Ryabov has nickname Kars. My words were addressed to a certain Kars and to no one else. If I at least hurt the author of this article, I deeply apologize, because he really did not hurt either Russia or its citizens. As for Kars, on the branch about the disposal of T-64 in Ukraine, I suggested Kars to conduct the polemic correctly and politely, but he refused.
                Quote: Kars
                Quote: smiths xnumx
                Let's not get personal and lead the discussion correctly.
                And let's move on?

                Therefore, I communicate with him the way he wanted it.
                I am on this site, discussing and discussing with many people, including and with SWEET_SIXTEEN, BigRiver, Karlsonn, Beck, and NEVER, I repeat to you, I NEVER admitted cases of rudeness to my opponent. And if a friend who imagines himself to be an “expert” believes that he can offend me with impunity, what answer he or you are going to hear from me. look at other branches. Therefore, I apologize to you, dear smile and the author of this article, if you inflicted some insults. There is nothing to apologize to Kars for. Yours faithfully! hi
                1. smile
                  smile 20 August 2013 14: 55 New
                  +2
                  smiths xnumx
                  Bliiiin, I'm sorry !!!! The fact is that Kars, in my opinion, is the only person. who blacklisted me (by the way, he didn’t understand why, because if I argued with him, then, unlike some, he really didn’t get on me :)))). Well, imagine, I see a series of your comments, one by one ... the comments do not indicate to whom they are addressed ..... so I read them and reread them ... it seems that you are addressing Ryabov specifically Kirill ...
                  Now everything is clear. My attitude to Kars is similar to yours.
                  In general, I apologize, I was not intelligent enough ... I also slammed the minus for you ... I will correct and will not be anymore! :)))
                  1. smiths xnumx
                    smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 15: 56 New
                    +1
                    Dear Vladimir, your apologies are accepted, it is very difficult to be polite, with people like Kars, no knowledge, no logic, some empty show-offs, all the more not confirmed by anything, without any arguments, he simply goes over to insults. Recently, in general, he began to arrange a “circus with horses”. Well, well, how the show sings Show Must Go On. Yours faithfully! hi
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 20 August 2013 17: 29 New
                      +2
                      Quote: smiths xnumx
                      and knowledge, not logic, some empty show-offs,

                      Why are you describing yourself?
                      1. smiths xnumx
                        smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 17: 41 New
                        -1
                        And here he is in person. nice to know that I did not have such an opinion about him. Nothing on the merits of the topic. To all members of the branch, except Kars, of course. Yours faithfully! hi
                      2. Kars
                        Kars 20 August 2013 17: 54 New
                        +1
                        Quote: smiths xnumx
                        And here he is in person. nice to know that I did not have such an opinion about him. Nothing on topic

                        And how did you think I mentioned me, I answered. And where does the topic come from? On the topic, I have already unsubscribed.
      2. Kars
        Kars 20 August 2013 11: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: smiths xnumx
        I hope not like in Kazakhstan.



        Ukraine and Kazakhstan plan to expand military-technical cooperation. The intention was confirmed during the fourth meeting of the Ukrainian-Kazakh intergovernmental commission on military-technical cooperation.

        Ukraine and Kazakhstan are preparing to increase military-technical cooperation (MTC), which was confirmed by the parties during the fourth meeting of the intergovernmental Ukrainian-Kazakh commission on military-technical cooperation held recently in Astana under the leadership of deputy ministers of the military departments of the countries, Oleinik Oleynyk and Sergiy Gromov, Interfax- Ukraine ”with reference to a source in the defense sector.

        According to a source, during the meeting they considered, among other things, the development of a bilateral military-technical cooperation in armored, aviation, naval and space spheres, as well as issues of interaction between special exporters, military-scientific organizations and military missions of countries.

        “During the meeting, Kazakh colleagues suggested that the Ukrainian side continue cooperation on the repair and modernization of armored vehicles in the interests of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Ukrainian defense enterprises have been invited to participate in tenders on repair, modernization, supply of aircraft and air defense equipment being prepared by the Kazakh side for 2014, ”the agency’s source said.

        “The parties also agreed to continue cooperation in the supply of weapons and military equipment for ships that are being built on the territory of Kazakhstan,” he said.

        According to the source, “the Kazakh side also highlighted the importance of cooperation in the design and construction of rocket-artillery ships, patrol boats and auxiliary fleet ships in Ukraine, the supply of composite floating docks, moorings and mobile bases of Ukrainian production, as well as the creation of naval infrastructure and ship repair bases in the interests of the Republic of Kazakhstan. ”

        In recent years, the filling of military-technical cooperation between Ukraine and Kazakhstan includes, inter alia, deliveries of Ukrainian air defense systems to Kazakhstan, repair of the Kazakh military transport and military aircraft, joint modernization programs of Kazakh heavy armored vehicles at the facilities of Semey Engineering JSC (Semey, Kazakhstan).

        In 2012, the state concern Ukroboronprom and JSC NK Kazakhstan Engineering signed an agreement on the joint production of new Ukrainian BTR-4 in Kazakhstan. The cost of a promising cooperation program is estimated at about 150 million dollars.

        According to Ukrainian military experts, in the coming years, Kazakhstan may become the third largest purchaser of Ukrainian weapons in the regional arms market of the CIS countries after Russia and Azerbaijan
        1. smiths xnumx
          smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 12: 25 New
          +2
          On July 23, 2013, the specialized inter-district court of Alma-Ata (Kazakhstan) sentenced Major General Almaz Asenov, former head of the main arms department of the Ministry of Defense of Kazakhstan, to 11 years of imprisonment under strict regime, confiscation of property, and deprivation of military rank for receiving a bribe of $ 200 from two employees of the Ukrainian state-owned Ukrspetsexport - the head of the First Regional Department, Alexander Shkolyarenko and his deputy, Alexander Khrulev. Shkolyarenko and Khrulev were sentenced to six years in strict regime and confiscation of property. The trial was closed. Ukrspetsexport and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine issued statements that they will seek the extradition of convicted company employees to their homeland.

          http://newsoboz.org/proisshestviya/sotrudnikam-ukrspetseksporta-v-kazahstane-vyn
          esen-prigovor-24072013121600
          Great collaboration!
          1. Kars
            Kars 20 August 2013 12: 28 New
            +3
            Quote: smiths xnumx
            Great collaboration!

            It may not be like Russia can crush political authority, block borders, start trade wars, give loans to smoke their weapons, or forgive old debts.
            1. smiths xnumx
              smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 12: 34 New
              +1
              "God does not give a horny cow" or "Halva, halva, halva, how many do not speak in your mouth will not become sweeter"
              1. Kars
                Kars 20 August 2013 13: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: smiths xnumx
                "God does not give a horny cow" or "Halva, halva, halva, how many do not speak in your mouth will not become sweeter"

                What did you mean to say? That you are not a vigorous cow?
              2. albatross
                albatross 20 August 2013 13: 48 New
                +3
                Kuznetsov 1977 RU Today, 12:34 ↑ New
                "God does not give a horny cow" or "Halva, halva, halva, how many do not speak in your mouth will not become sweeter"

                Yes, really ... I look and wonder how our brothers-Ukrainians, in the heat of independence, would not start shooting at us. And, it’s already with the Chinese and with the Vietnamese that they bring down prices for us, if only to annoy, instead of negotiating and acting together. No, they have pride. But pride will not bring to good, it blunts the brain and destroys everything. Something like this...
                1. Kars
                  Kars 20 August 2013 19: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: albatross
                  instead of agreeing and acting together.

                  Agree with you. As with An-70.
            2. A spacer
              A spacer 21 August 2013 00: 11 New
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              Quote: Kars
              Not everyone can, like Russia, crush political authority

              That's for sure - some give their political authority, and not only it ...
              Quote: Kars
              give loans for smoking weapons

              ukro-toad - it is the greenest.
              Quote: Kars
              forgive old debts

              Generosity - that is, it is. And you?
              1. Kars
                Kars 21 August 2013 00: 17 New
                +1
                Quote: Simpleton
                That's for sure - some give their political authority, and not only it ...

                Well, how much can you blame us on the delivery of nuclear weapons.
                Quote: Simpleton
                ukro-toad - it is the greenest.

                not the RF greener, they envy even small successes.
                Quote: Simpleton
                Generosity - that is, it is. And you?

                Yeah, velmkodushiya --- write off 10 billions to Iraq, obliging him in return to buy weapons from Russia for 4.3 billion. Very generous.
                1. A spacer
                  A spacer 21 August 2013 01: 02 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Kars
                  Well, how much can you blame us on the delivery of nuclear weapons.

                  You "scream"? Yes, God forbid ... And so immediately take on your own account?
                  Quote: Kars
                  envy even small successes.

                  So this is natural - exceptions are always more noticeable, and great successes are boring statistics.
                  Quote: Kars
                  to write off 10 billion to Iraq, obliging him in return to buy weapons from the Russian Federation for 4.3 billion. Very generous.

                  And above you say that the toad is greener? And you refute yourself, because not all power is in the dough. But from art to mathematics (I didn’t check the values, and it doesn’t matter): 10-4,3 = 5,7 is kaneshno, in relation to the income of the ukro-budget - the umth of the granny, but in relation to the profitability of the "Western Kurny-2 "(about 1,2 million barrels per day) - dust. So, for the future - a very wonderful reserve.
                  1. Kars
                    Kars 21 August 2013 01: 15 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Simpleton
                    You "scream"? Yes, God forbid ... And so immediately take on your own account?

                    Are you talking about Mongolia))
                    Quote: Simpleton
                    So this is natural - exceptions are always more noticeable, and great successes are boring statistics.

                    envy is not good.
                    Quote: Simpleton
                    And above you say that the toad is greener?

                    naturally greener.
                    Quote: Simpleton
                    10-4,3 = 5,7 -

                    But 10 would not be returned to you in any case.

                    Quote: Simpleton
                    So, for the future - a very wonderful reserve.

                    As govortsa - hope and wait. First you need to fulfill this contract, let's see how the Iraqis will take your weapon.
                    Quote: Simpleton
                    Western Kurna-2 "(about 1,2 million barrels per day) - dust.

                    Well, of course, all this income goes to Iraq’s Pocket, or is it Gazprom’s allot?
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                      Quote: Kars
                      Are you talking about Mongolia))

                      But you took it upon yourself in the form of a “boil” ...
                      Quote: Kars
                      envy is not good.

                      although the point is there, but the phrase is not finished ... Are you jealous well?
                      Quote: Kars
                      Like govortsa - hope and wait.

                      So yours is "like a govorts" even in the ukro-anthem - or not in the know? And others are laying material future profit now - and what is bad about it? After all, it is known that investments are needed to make a profit, and it’s not the fact that only by grannies — there are other components. Yes, and profit is not always material ... Otherwise, it will turn out "to envy is not good - it’s worse for yourself."
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, of course, all this income goes to Iraq’s Pocket, or is it Gazprom’s allot?

                      Yeah, Rosneft and BP would have been dragged here ... That means it's not your topic.
                    2. Kars
                      Kars 21 August 2013 10: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      But you took it upon yourself in the form of a “boil” ...

                      Decrypt
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      ot and the dot stands, but the phrase is not finished ... Are you jealous well?

                      It would be what.
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      So yours is "like a govorts" even in the ukro-anthem - or not in the know?

                      no not in the know
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      others are laying material future profits now - and what’s wrong with that?

                      Who are you talking about?
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      Yeah, even Rosneft and BP would have been dragged here ... So - it's not your topic
                      No, not mine.
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                      Quote: Kars
                      Decrypt

                      hint:
                      Quote: Kars
                      Well, how much can you blame us on the delivery of nuclear weapons.

                      Quote: Kars
                      It would be what.

                      are you jealous?
                      Quote: Kars
                      no not in the know

                      position yourself as a dissident or just too lazy to know the Anthem of Ukraine?
                      Quote: Kars
                      Who are you talking about?

                      one example, in relation to Iraq, is Lukoil, and then it’s too lazy to list.
                      Quote: Kars
                      No, not mine.

                      the question was rhetorical.
                    4. Kars
                      Kars 21 August 2013 13: 09 New
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                      Quote: Simpleton
                      hint:
                      Quote: Kars

                      So all the same, did you see us? What then was puffing up?

                      Quote: Simpleton
                      are you jealous?

                      Are you envious well?
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      Are you positioning yourself as a dissident or just too lazy to know the Anthem of Ukraine?

                      my interpretation may not match yours
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      one example, in relation to Iraq, is Lukoil, and then it’s too lazy to list.

                      So all the same, about oil concessions?
                      Quote: Simpleton
                      the question was rhetorical.

                      Tovet was also rhetorical wassat
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                      Quote: Kars
                      So all the same, did you have us?

                      what I meant, then introduced. But if determined by yourself ...
                      Quote: Kars
                      what then puffed up?

                      are you already
                      Quote: Kars
                      Are you envious well?

                      is there anyone?
                      Quote: Kars
                      my interpretation may not match yours

                      interpretation - from lat. "interpretatio", which means "interpretation, clarification." The context of the question is somewhat different. Well, okay.
                      Quote: Kars
                      So all the same, about oil concessions?

                      For Iraq, yes. Everything else is indicated above.
                      Quote: Kars
                      Tovet was also rhetorical

                      (skirt)
  6. Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 20 August 2013 21: 17 New
    +1
    Quote: smiths xnumx
    Great collaboration!
    The Republic of Kazakhstan and the Russian Federation also do not have ice .. Not for the srach for the sake of:
    Firstly, this is a project of the Ishim complex, when it was planned to lift a rocket into the upper atmosphere on board the Mig-31 fighter and then launch it into space. Some money was spent, the project was not implemented.
    Secondly, the creation of the Kazsat-1 satellite. The Kazakh side ordered its production by the Khrunichev Center, which specialized in the Proton rocket and never participated in the creation of satellites. “Kazsat-1” flew exactly a year until it broke.
    Thirdly, this is the already mentioned Baiterek project. In all cases, high-profile programs provided for the allocation of money from Kazakhstan, which were then to be mastered by Russian space companies.
    In the Baiterek project. According to Kazkosmos, the Russian side delayed construction for 47 months, and the cost increased seven times in comparison with the initial one to 2 billion.
    Therefore, only two options were possible: either Kazakhstan was forced to refuse financing in this way and terminate the Baiterek contract, or they planned to take the money, build the Angara on it, and then confront the fact that it would not be based on Baikonur, and on the "East". Money would have been spent by now.

    According to An-148, Kazakhstan previously concluded a contract for their assembly (even under Tsar Gorokh). And as I understand it, because of the disagreement of the Russian Federation and Ukraine about this, the RK already gave up .. Continue, the RK is gradually moving to purchases over the C-295 hillock and they still want to .. They are seriously considering the issue of A-400M ..
    Keep it up so cool it turns out .. soldier
  • Alibekulu
    Alibekulu 20 August 2013 18: 55 New
    +4
    Quote: Kars
    According to Ukrainian military experts, in the coming years, Kazakhstan may become the third largest importer of Ukrainian weapons in terms of purchases.
    Kazkosmos expects to reorient Baiterek to launch the Russian-Ukrainian Zenit-3SL rocket, which is a direct competitor of Proton-K. On Baikonur under the "Zenith" built two launchers. Kazkosmos conducts training of specialists, holds negotiations with other market participants, and even tries to create satellites.
    http://www.asiakz.com/zvezdnir-voiny
    1. Kars
      Kars 20 August 2013 19: 03 New
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      It would be nice.
  • denson06
    denson06 20 August 2013 11: 09 New
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    Something terrible is being planned in the Asia-Pacific region .. looking at the Arab states and what is going on in them, willy-nilly you will increase the costs of the army ..
    1. Ka-52
      Ka-52 20 August 2013 15: 04 New
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      Something scary

      What, what - War in with a probability of 90%. If the article itself shows that defense spending in this region increased by 170%. Remember Georgia. In 2007 Georgia spent almost 10% of GDP on defense, and the growth of expenditures compared to 2003. increased by 100%.
      The global economic crisis has significantly affected the dynamics of growth in military spending of the NATO countries, but not among the countries of the Asia-Pacific region. Their expenses are only growing. Our military and politicians need a very balanced approach to the sale of weapons to these countries.
      1) The occurrence of conflicts of low or medium intensity is very high, about 90%
      2) The emergence of conflicts of high intensity with the involvement of neighboring states there is not more than 20%
      Accordingly, weapons will be bought taking into account territorial disputes and clashes at sea and in the air.
      Therefore, the prerogative will be given to ships, aircraft and air defense.
      So our generals and industrialists should already prepare in advance a multipack with the most suitable configuration.
      And of course, strengthen the defense capabilities of your country.
  • Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 20 August 2013 11: 13 New
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    But here it is not visible that the Vietnamese buy weapons from the Chinese! And this is very symptomatic!
  • Samy
    Samy 20 August 2013 11: 28 New
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    Quote: Sergey Medvedev
    But here it is not visible that the Vietnamese buy weapons from the Chinese! And this is very symptomatic!

    And they won’t buy anything in the next 30 years .... They remember the 79th year well.
  • chenia
    chenia 20 August 2013 14: 15 New
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    Quote: Arabist
    Of course it’s not worth it, there are some good examples. March 3, 2013 Bulgaria celebrated the 135th anniversary of the liberation from the Turks. Russian weapons and Russian blood. And the Bulgarian brothers are forever grateful to us for this. Perhaps that is why in the entire history of Bulgaria they did not shy from participating in any anti-Russian coalition, ending with the current NATO.


    And at the same time, not a single Bulgarian soldier fought against Russia. So not in vain.

    And the venality of the elite is familiar, so I would look in the mirror.

    EBN handed over all allies, and you Russians twice him as president. This is how we will evaluate. Or we will distinguish between the PEOPLE and the leaders (now almost always corrupt).
    1. old man54
      old man54 20 August 2013 15: 02 New
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      Quote: chenia
      And the venality of the elite is familiar, so I would look in the mirror. EBN handed over all allies, and you Russians twice him as president. This is how we will evaluate. Or we will distinguish between the PEOPLE and the leaders (now almost always corrupt).

      N-yes, tell me the truth, I personally feel ashamed for him, for Ebn and not only for him ...
  • ivshubarin
    ivshubarin 20 August 2013 15: 09 New
    +1
    Vietnam is well located, so many tried to take possession of them, but not everyone succeeded
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 20 August 2013 17: 37 New
    +1
    Let us recall the old dream of the Vietnamese leaders, the creation of their "mini-empire", as part of Cambodia and Laos. After the end of the Vietnam War and the unification of Vietnam in 1975, he almost succeeded. The Vietnamese entered Laos during the war with the French, and then established their regime Le Duan there, having dealt with the rebellious mountain tribes, and occupying Cambodia in 1978, which Pol Pot greatly contributed to, with their constant provocations on the Vietnamese-Cambodian border. At the same time, Vietnam was not afraid of the threats of Beijing, and defeated the Chinese troops in the battle of Langshon, in 1979, after having expelled the Vietnamese Chinese ("huaqiao"). True, huaqiao in any case was not lucky, because the Chinese sent them in the front ranks of their "human troops" to the Vietnamese machine guns. Of course, the role of the USSR was great, organizing an “air bridge” to Vietnam with arms deliveries, and conducting large-scale military maneuvers on the northern border of China and in Mongolia. Thus, in Cambodia for about 10 years from 1979 to 1989 there was a 100-thousandth Vietnamese contingent, actively participating in hostilities. Such Vietnamese activity frightened both the USA and China, as well as Thailand, which provided bases on its territory to the main Khmer Rouge opponents and weapons for fighting the Vietnamese. But 10 years later, Soviet assistance to Vietnam fell significantly, and then completely stopped and Vietnam was forced to leave Cambodia and greatly weaken its position in Laos. Nevertheless, now Vietnam is again actively building up its muscles, becoming one of the "Asian" tigers. The main problem of the VNA is a weak fleet, however, this problem is currently being solved both by purchasing ships and own production (in Vietnam, our project 1241 ships with various types of weapons are being manufactured), the absence of submarines was first compensated by the purchase of two mini-boats from the DPRK Submarines of the "Yugo" type (in exchange for the supply of rice), and now by purchasing from us 6 diesel-electric submarines of project 636.1, the first of which is due to be commissioned in November this year. Vietnam’s air defense has been strong enough since the Vietnam War. plus they bought 2 S-300PMU divisions, aircraft are also being purchased for the Air Force: Su-30 and Yak-130 are purchased from us, used Su-22M4 from the Poles. So that I’m afraid after a while we will again see an attempt by Vietnam to recreate its “mini-empire”. Yours faithfully! hi
  • akbars555
    akbars555 20 August 2013 19: 37 New
    0
    In addition to the simulator for the crews of submarines, the Vietnamese Navy will receive two similar complexes designed for the training of crews of guards “Cheetah” and missile boats “Lightning”.


    I clarify - the complex simulators for the training of crews of the NK projects 1241 RE and 12418 "Lightning" and project 11661 "Cheetah-3.9" were manufactured by ZAO "RET Kronshtadt" and have been in operation since 2008 and 2011, respectively. In the coming years they will be modernized in connection with the order of the anti-submarine version of the Cheetah and interconnected.
  • studentmati
    studentmati 20 August 2013 22: 56 New
    +1
    Collaboration is certainly useful! good Maybe Camran will be reborn!
  • chenia
    chenia 20 August 2013 23: 13 New
    0
    Quote: studentmati
    Maybe Camran will be reborn!


    Kamran is a must, and Cuba must be returned; in Latin America, interesting things are planned (there are already full of mattresses).
  • smiths xnumx
    smiths xnumx 21 August 2013 03: 01 New
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    Well, congratulations on the next victory of the domestic defense industry.
    As Interfax-AVN reported on August 20, 2013, Russia will supply 12 more Su-30MK2 multi-functional fighters to Vietnam. This was reported to "Interfax-AVN" on Tuesday by a military-diplomatic source.

    "The contract for the supply of 12 Su-30MK2 fighters to Vietnam was signed last week. It provides for the supply of not only aircraft, but also technical property," the agency’s source said. He recalled that this is the third contract for Sukhoi fighters. The two previous ones for the supply of eight and twelve aircraft were successfully completed [in fact, since 2004, 24 Su-30MK2 fighters have been delivered to Vietnam since XNUMX].

    Aircraft under the new contract will be delivered in three batches of four aircraft in 2014-2015, "the agency’s interlocutor said. He declined to name the value of the contract, citing the fact that this is a trade secret. According to experts, the cost of this contract is at least 600 million dollars. Regards! hi

    Su-30MK2 fighters from the 923th fighter aviation regiment of the 371st aviation division of the Air Force and Air Defense of Vietnam. Aircraft delivery 2012. Thanh Hoa March 2013