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Fukushima lies

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Nuclear catastrophe associated with the accident at the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant continues to develop in Japan. Lying and silencing the real facts of this disaster over the past two-plus years have become the norm for Japan. The Japanese authorities began to lie as soon as they said that nothing terrible had happened, and they immediately evicted people for the 8 kilometer zone, and then for the 20 kilometer zone.


As the world press reported recently, referring to the Japanese energy company Tokyo Electric Power (TEPCO), the protective barrier at the technical port of Fukushima-1 NPP is no longer able to cope with leaks of radioactive water into the ocean. The level of polluted groundwater under the territory of the nuclear power plant has now already at 60 cm exceeded the protective barriers that have been erected along the entire coastline of the port. Simply put, radioactive water just pours into the ocean. According to experts, about 300 tons are poured into the ocean per day. For the first time, TEPCO has admitted leaking radioactive water from the territory of the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant to the Pacific Ocean in late July. The Japanese government instructed the NPP operator to take urgent measures to prevent the leakage of radioactive water.

According to experts, at least 20 thousand tons of “dirty” water accumulated in the drainage system of the nuclear power plant. And in the basements of the power units, the drainage system and in special tanks on the territory of the NPP, more than 360 thousand tons of water with different degrees of contamination accumulated (as of March 2013 of the year). According to measurements in one of the drainage tunnels, the content of radioactive cesium in water reaches 2,35 billion becquerels per liter of liquid, at the international standard in 150 becquerels. According to the data of TEPCO experts, water from the Fukushima-1 drainage tunnels constantly flows out through cracks and enters the groundwater, replenishing them with a large number of radioactive substances.

For more than two years, the Japanese, whom our Westernized intelligentsia considered to be a super-technological nation, foul the World Ocean. In a simple way, the truth is that the Japanese pour water onto the unassembled ruins of the reactor, the water receives a huge charge of radiation and pours into the ocean. And this water flows from the very beginning of the disaster. From the very beginning, the Japanese did not begin to solve the problem, as it should be - to eliminate the accident, that is, to build huge burial grounds of varying degrees of protection, to attract a lot of equipment and people (obviously doomed to receive a certain dose of radiation) and “clear the territory”. The Japanese chose the second option, to create external activity, while practically nothing really to do. While the radioactive water was pouring into the sea in hundreds of tons, the Japanese talked about the “heroic struggle” with the consequences of the accident. Apparently, this will continue.

Is it dangerous? Given the vastness of the Pacific Ocean, the danger is minimal. True, this does not mean that someone can get into the "statistics" of accidents. So, about two years after the accident, the operator of the company TEPCO caught fish, sea bass, which had 254 000 becquerels per kilogram of weight, which exceeded Japanese radiation standards 2500 times.

The insignificance of the accident for the entire planet, and it can withstand more than a dozen of Hiroshim and Fukushima, does not cancel the responsibility of Japan for the pollution of the ocean and the concealment of information from its own population and all of humanity. The Japanese authorities for more than two years hide the truth about the accident from the world community. By lulling people with words about the construction of cooling systems, barriers, etc. The UN and the IAEA help them in this matter. Considering how the world community criticized Moscow for Chernobyl, although there they really struggled with the accident, the situation looks even more disgusting. This is an example of a policy of double standards. Japan, as an ally of the West (USA), is covered. For two years, radioactive water from the Fukushima nuclear power plant-1 poured into the ocean, and the management company TEPCO only now recognized this fact. And only now the Japanese authorities and the company itself “saw the light” and attended to the creation of protective barriers.

Although alarming data came before. Already in 2011, the report from the research group at Stanford University and the Stony-Brook University School of Marine and Atmospheric Research (New York) reported that leaks of radionuclides into the ocean are of concern at both the local and global levels. The report reported that radioactive elements were found in Pacific bluefin tuna, which is distributed throughout the North Pacific. Scientists have found elevated levels of cesium-134 and cesium-137 in tunas caught off the Californian coast. The researchers noted that other large animals that use the waters around Japan can bring radionuclides to areas of the northern and southern parts of the Pacific Ocean. In addition, American scientists have noted the increased content of beta radiation in the air on the Pacific coast of the United States. Researchers Joe Mangano and Janet Sherman discovered radioactive fallout, including radioactive iodine, especially the five US states were affected. Within a few days after the accident at the nuclear power plant, the concentration of iodine-131, which fell in the United States, exceeded the world standard by a factor of 211.

The site of the US Environmental Protection Agency reported that in June 2013, the Japanese company TEPCO recognized the presence of highly radioactive strontium-90 (a product of fission of uranium and plutonium) in groundwater under a damaged reactor. Tritium was also found in the water. But then the general manager of the Japanese company Toshihiko Fukuda said that the contaminated water with strontium-90 does not fall into the ocean. According to the Japan Today National newspaper, between the end of 2012 of the year and May of 2013 of the year, the level of strontium-90 in groundwater near the turbine of reactor No. 2 increased more than 100 times: from 8,6 Becquerel to 1000 units per liter of water (maximum allowable level is 30 of Becquerel ). In the water, found and the beyond-limit levels of tritium - 500 thousand Becquerels per liter.

The situation around Fukushima itself revealed several important facts. Firstly, the Japanese are no more perfect in the field of high technologies than other nations. Secondly, they preferred to hide the truth not only in the USSR (recalling the Chernobyl tragedy), but the “highly developed” East and West. Japanese authorities, representatives of the management company, officials of the United Nations, WHO and the IAEA have lied and continue to lie. Moreover, in the USSR they really struggled with the problem, while in Japan they preferred to talk about it.
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  1. Hauptmann emil
    Hauptmann emil 20 August 2013 07: 41 New
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    So why are our UN silent? Let them openly talk about it from the "high" stands. If you are silent, they will continue to do nothing further.
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 20 August 2013 08: 20 New
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      It is also terrifying that our territory is close. At this rate, a fish mutation will occur soon.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 20 August 2013 08: 36 New
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        The territory is close, but underwater currents pull all these leaks towards the United States. And for some reason, the USA is silent, why would it?
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 20 August 2013 08: 41 New
          15
          Quote: Sirocco
          The territory is close, but underwater currents pull all these leaks towards the United States. And for some reason, the USA is silent, why would it?



          Well, Duc Japa, all the commands of the striped trainer are clearly fulfilled. Why are they yelling?
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 20 August 2013 08: 48 New
            +8
            Quote: Hudo
            . Why are they yelling?

            This worries me, if parasha flowed into my yard from my neighbor, (even if my friend), I would point him to this. And then, like in a movie.
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 20 August 2013 09: 13 New
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              Quote: Sirocco
              if parash from my neighbor flowed into my yard

              So this "neighbor" sewer and installed and mounted and assured that mega-super all this. wink
              And with the currents everything is "buzzing" crying
              1. fzr1000
                fzr1000 20 August 2013 10: 29 New
                +9
                Since 1946, the era of testing nuclear and hydrogen bombs began, the most destructive of them was carried out on the Marshall Islands of the Pacific Ocean. The first test was carried out on June 30, 1946. Then for another 12 years, another 67 followed - on the Bikini and Inivitake Islands - with a total capacity of 108 megatons (this is equivalent to more than 7000 Hiroshima!). On March 1, 1954, a secret test codenamed Bravo was conducted on Bikini, the results of which stunned even the military. The island was almost destroyed by a hydrogen bomb, the power of which was a thousand times the power of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima. Only in July 1963 was the Treaty on the Prohibition of Testing Nuclear Weapons in the Atmosphere, in Outer Space and under Water signed. According to Russian experts, by this time about 520 nuclear tests in the atmosphere had already been carried out on the planet. The USA and the USSR detonated 210 atomic and hydrogen bombs, the UK - 21, France - 50 and China - 23. France continued to test in the atmosphere until 1974, and China - until 1980. It is scary to think about how much dangerous radioactive elements entered the atmosphere and spread through the waters of the oceans! Today, even many decades after atomic explosions (!), Long-lived radioactive isotopes of the Cold War era continue to sink onto the earth and oceans from the stratosphere. The events in Fukushima are babble in comparison with what we have done, carried away by the arms race.
                1. avdkrd
                  avdkrd 20 August 2013 11: 28 New
                  37
                  You're not right. Isotopes from the explosion of an atomic, hydrogen and neutron bomb are qualitatively and quantitatively different from those released during the explosion of a reactor. Compared to the latest, atomic bombs are just an example of environmental friendliness. The area contaminated with decomposition products from the reactor will become relatively clean and safe after 10 years. This is due to isotopes of cesium and strontium, which are not excreted from the body at all. With nuclear weapons, everything is much simpler, the epicenter of the explosion, in principle, is relatively safe after a generation (000-20 years).
                  1. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 20 August 2013 14: 18 New
                    +6
                    Relatively, of course, but I don’t think that now in New Earth, Nevada and Bikini life is so safe.

                    In 1968, US authorities announced that the atoll was safe for life and the islanders could return to it. Some of them returned during the 1970s.

                    About 840 Pacific Atoll residents died from cancer and other diseases caused by US nuclear tests. About 7000 former Bikini residents demanded to be recognized as victims of American trials. However, only 1865 people were officially recognized as such, almost half of whom died. The victims, to whom the United States paid compensation in the total amount of $ 83 million, were identified 35 different diseases.

                    In 2011, the population of the atoll was 9 people.
                  2. abdrah
                    abdrah 21 August 2013 03: 04 New
                    +6
                    Hello. I thought that the main thing is the isotopic composition, and not the action that caused it. in Hiroshima, for example, about 1,5% of the total volume of fissile material worked for the decay reaction, 150K yapes were cooked in 3 minutes, and the remaining 98,5% was left to the delight of posterity. 137Cs is a half-life of approx. 30 years, to allow settlement in the affected areas, the half-life is multiplied by 10. 300 years is not so much, for cesium. strontium 30 years, about. for plutonium, and around Chernobyl there is a significant spot affected by plutonium, the half-life of which must be multiplied approximately 800, the element is more stable and phonite with the same content is 800 times less. Iodine, the same from which after the Chernobyl accident was poisoned during the prophylaxis, more than suffered from radiation and is actually an extremely active element with a period of about 8 days, that is, it emits in 8 days what strontium is in equal mass for 30 years, approximately.
                  3. Forget-me-not
                    Forget-me-not 24 August 2013 19: 32 New
                    +1
                    You tell the Turkmen. And then. generation = 15 years, not 20-25. We are all mutants. Now the most plastic organisms will survive. And it is possible. that will help us in this GMO. Here they will add the genes of cockroaches to us, and everything will settle down.
              2. fzr1000
                fzr1000 20 August 2013 10: 30 New
                +3
                But that's not all! It is no longer a secret that until 1994, the Russian Pacific Fleet dumped solid and liquid radioactive wastes, as well as expired ammunition, into the ocean. Since 2003, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Navy and scientists have been organizing expeditions to areas of radioactive waste discharge. There are dozens of such places in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Sea of ​​Japan. The data obtained are recorded in the Register of potentially dangerous underwater objects in inland waters and the territorial sea of ​​the Russian Federation, which is maintained by the Russian Emergencies Ministry. However, there is practically no open information on the basis of these expeditions. How many radionuclides have already been accumulated in the Pacific flora and fauna! In this regard, the question of mutations arises. It was explained to me that such changes occur during the accumulation of heavy metals with a long half-life in the spleen, fats, nervous tissue, and liver of all highly developed organisms. At the same time, over twenty years of work in the Far East, my classmates have not seen clearly expressed fish mutations. But after all the catastrophes that mankind arranged, they, of course, were. As I was told, mutant fish are not viable and die even in the stage of eggs or fry. Yes, and to notice such organisms in tons of fish caught is impossible. Much research has been devoted to the incidence of fish, but it is difficult to say which pathologies are associated with radiation: radionuclides are carried by streams and schools of fish far from the places of testing and disposal of waste.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 20 August 2013 10: 46 New
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                  Quote: fzr1000
                  Until 1994, the Russian Pacific Fleet dumped solid and liquid radioactive waste and expired ammunition into the ocean.

                  ... and the whole world community, knowing this, was silent. Believe it, yeah ...
                  1. Jin
                    Jin 20 August 2013 10: 51 New
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                    Quote: Misantrop
                    ... and the whole world community, knowing this, was silent. Believe it, yeah ...


                    Greetings, colleague! drinks

                    Well, that’s not even the point. Indeed, for decades, “our Western partners” have also drowned all sorts of rubbish in the vast expanse of the world's ... We do not see what they are doing, they do not see what we are doing. Nobody sees anything, everyone is happy, everyone is laughing ...
                  2. fzr1000
                    fzr1000 20 August 2013 11: 14 New
                    +3
                    And where would she go at that time? You can’t do much against the USSR, and the “public” itself did the same.
                2. Forget-me-not
                  Forget-me-not 24 August 2013 19: 50 New
                  +1
                  Yes that's right. Why don’t you voice it in the aspect of transmutation of the population eating this conditionally normal (?) Fish from the Pacific Ocean? After all, already in the early eighties it was known that the northern nationalities, whose crafts are connected with the ocean, are dying out. That is, they are born, but not from local men. As they say, "from geologists (exaggerated)" The male population is almost completely barren. It already becomes so in utero thanks to the fish caught in the coastal zone. And we, the Pacific herring, are very respected by the whole country. And is this not due to a drop in fertility, a high percentage of pathologies of newborns ?, an increase in cases of infertility of spouses. Note that in women this is usually the case. the result of early abortions. What about men? Sexual infections in this aspect should not be taken into account. T.K. they were before. And there was NO medicine for them.
                  1. Patriot.ru.
                    Patriot.ru. 24 August 2013 22: 21 New
                    +2
                    For some reason, everyone is silent that our red fish eats and grows off the coast of Japan. Where are Onishchenko ???. And Norway has raised the price for its red fish. They understand that we are not.
              3. fzr1000
                fzr1000 20 August 2013 10: 31 New
                +5
                Officially, Japanese fish is banned in our country. However, the domestic fishing industry in the Far East continues to operate without interruption. In the first quarter of 2011, 275 thousand tons of fish and seafood were caught there, which is 28 thousand tons more than the same period last year. Radioactive fish caught off the coast of Japan can be shipped to Russia from other countries, such as Vietnam. The main importer of fish is China, which sends a third of exported fish products to our country.

                The Russians claim that today you can eat Pacific seafood without health risks, because during the emission of radiation the wind blew from west to east - towards the United States. So, the main dangerous cloud has scattered over the ocean or sank to America. Nevertheless, there are reasons for concern. The fact is that bioaccumulation occurs in nature. Even with a normal radiation background, plankton accumulates ionizing particles in very large quantities. What can we say about the situation when the background is exceeded tenfold! In the case of radioactive contamination of water, phyto- and zooplankton become a source of radiation for all parts of the food chain down to humans, and in each subsequent food level, the amount of radiation increases by a factor. So the infected seafood may well get on the table of any Russian. Over time, due to currents and particle transport with migrating birds, fish, invertebrates and marine mammals, pollution can spread farther and farther from the coast of Japan. Where and when radioactive fish or other seafood gets on the net is unknown.
              4. fzr1000
                fzr1000 20 August 2013 10: 31 New
                +4
                However, my concerns were considered by my hydrobiological friends to be unfounded, at least for today. Now there are several research vessels on the voyages: in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk off the west coast of Kamchatka, in the northwestern Pacific Ocean. In these areas, the most important for Far Eastern fishermen pass - pollock and herring. According to the data obtained from the vessels, indicators of the background radiation level in the air vary within 6 - 10 microroentgen per hour, in the caught fish - 5 - 10 microroentgen per hour, which corresponds to the norm. In the area of ​​possible pollution of the Pacific Ocean, Russian fishermen do not conduct significant fishing. I was assured that today there are no threats to biological resources: neither fish nor other seafood are infected with radiation. The inhabitants of the Far East, as before, eat caught fish - there is simply no choice.

                The Pacific Ocean, according to scientists, is able to cope with radioactive contamination if the worst case scenario does not happen. Fukushima is located on the coast, where two powerful ocean currents collide - Kuroshio and the Oyashio Kuril Current. As a result, a water stream forms, directed from the Japanese ridge to the North Pacific (northern part of the ocean). The current does not enter the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, but it runs along the Russian coast in the Kuril and Kamchatka regions.

                Salmon, which represent the largest share in the Russian fishing industry, are at risk. In June - July, their traditional Putin will begin in the Russian Far East. Pink salmon, sockeye salmon, and coho salmon are wandering in the Pacific Ocean, east of Japan. It is in this area that the sea current carries radionuclides from the emergency station. In early summer, fish will spawn in the rivers of Kamchatka, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. The question is how high the concentration of harmful substances in this salmon will be. According to the calculations of hydrobiologists, it will nevertheless be lower than the permissible norms; But the main danger is that radionuclides will circulate along food chains for a long time, from invertebrates and plants to large organisms. How exactly this will happen, no one knows. In any case, in the summer, monitoring will be conducted in traditional areas of the mass approach of fish to spawning grounds.

                There are concerns about lemonade, saury, squid and anchovies that live on the Japanese islands, although this is not such a large percentage of Russian fisheries like salmon. Saira is the only Japanese fish that goes far north, reaching the middle Kuril Islands, and in some warm years - the Northern Kuril Islands, southeastern Kamchatka and even the Bering Sea, where Russian vessels fish.

                According to fellow students, each batch of seafood is subject to strict control: everyone involved in the fishing was obliged to monitor the level of radiation, the ships were equipped with appropriate instruments. Moreover, all fish undergo additional control at the ports. Another thing is poaching catches that reach consumers, bypassing all sorts of inspections.

                Infected fish cannot be identified by color, shape or taste. First, radionuclides affect the gills, which are known to be a filter, and then disperse throughout the body, the highest concentration occurs in the liver, bones and nervous system.

                A fish fed on infected plankton will become a source of radiation not only for itself but also for its offspring. So in the long run, the abundance of some species of fish, including commercial ones, is possible.
                Source http://www.allrussia.ru/new/110602143948.html
                1. Motors1991
                  Motors1991 20 August 2013 15: 02 New
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                  As they said in Chernobyl, the Soviet member can withstand a thousand X-rays, let the Japanese bother. The facts that you bring are such a minuscule that you don’t want to speak. Mutations are and will be without any radiation. Chemicals are much more dangerous for humanity infections, and they surround us everywhere: in water, food, air. It’s just easier to blame it on radiation. Diabetes, strokes, cancer have become epidemic and everything is connected with chemical additives in food, animal feed.
                2. m262
                  m262 21 August 2013 19: 53 New
                  +1
                  Thank you, the comment is beyond praise +++++
          2. Andrey Skokovsky
            Andrey Skokovsky 20 August 2013 13: 11 New
            +9
            Quote: Hudo
            Quote: Sirocco
            The territory is close, but underwater currents pull all these leaks towards the United States. And for some reason, the USA is silent, why would it?



            Well, Duc Japa, all the commands of the striped trainer are clearly fulfilled. Why are they yelling?


            the American elite promotes shale gas at home, and here some isotopes invisible to anyone
            they just put on their stupid patriotic people for a long time and are guided by personal interests
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 August 2013 10: 41 New
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          Quote: Sirocco
          And for some reason, the United States is silent, why would it?
          Only to the fact that all the power units of this nuclear power plant are manufactured in the USA, they wrote the technological instructions for their operation. Accordingly, if you raise a scandal, they will be jammed ... request
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 20 August 2013 11: 27 New
            +5
            Quote: Misantrop
            Only to the fact that all the power units of this nuclear power plant are manufactured in the USA,

            good drinks
          2. Danafxnumx
            Danafxnumx 20 August 2013 16: 06 New
            +6
            who will jam them?

            it seems to me more likely that the east coast in general and phishington in particular do not care how much "amerobydlosa" dies of cancer on the west coast ...
          3. silver_roman
            silver_roman 20 August 2013 17: 31 New
            +3
            all right. the most disgusting thing is that despite this tragedy, the states, namely the General Electric, tried against the backdrop of Fukushima to push the nuclear power plant project in the Czech Republic into the air. Maybe I am mistaken at the expense of the Czech Republic - I don’t remember exactly. and it seems like they did it. “Woe to grief, but business is business” - their division and they spat on fish, the Japanese, concern, all kinds of isotopes, etc. I hope so. that the breeze will bring them cesium with strontium in full! soldier
        3. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 12: 33 New
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          Quote: Sirocco
          And for some reason, the United States is silent, why would it?

          That’s why they are silent, because they built the “ultra-protected and highly reliable” nuclear power plants themselves, now they are silent “in a rag” in the hope that “randomly” somehow “dissolves”, spreads over the course, until it reaches the coast ...
          And their "greens" have already been given a "pointer" to not open their mouths, neither about the barbaric extraction of shale gas, nor about the leakage of radiation in sea water in the direction of the "land of equal opportunities." Greenpeace, where are you? Aw-oo-oo ... Add to this a permanent oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico - here it is, an oil painting.
          But the State Department honestly fulfills its bread - deliberate problems have been created in the Middle East and North Africa - high rises only in this direction. And here also the Russian "unfortunate supporters of full of love" do not consider people. This is truly an American tragedy of a universal scale ...
        4. abdrah
          abdrah 20 August 2013 14: 00 New
          +4
          They are silent because they themselves built the Yapam station. maybe the omerekns and would like to build in a better and more reliable way, but unfortunately they do not know how ...
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 20 August 2013 20: 51 New
            +6
            Quote: abdrah
            They are silent because they themselves built the Yapam station. maybe the omerekns and would like to build in a better and more reliable way, but unfortunately they do not know how ...

            They are not silent!
            They raised such a wave in Japan that the Japanese themselves are beginning to believe that nothing actually happened!
            I correspond with a girl from Tokyo. So she says in almost every letter that we have OK. That everything that our newspapers write is a lie. And you say that they are silent!
            1. stalkerwalker
              stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 21: 42 New
              +5
              Quote: APASUS
              And you say that they are silent!

              It would be better to be silent.
              Accepted for the smart ...
              laughing
            2. Alex Nick
              Alex Nick 21 August 2013 21: 03 New
              +8
              I also think everything will work out ... lol
            3. CTEPX
              CTEPX 22 August 2013 11: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: APASUS
              she says in almost every letter that we have OK

              And maybe the girl is right)). If you take for the working version of the production of underwater nuclear tests by Japan, which led to the earthquake. Then - the accident at Fukushima, either as a result of, or instead of an explosion)).
        5. Setrac
          Setrac 20 August 2013 14: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: Sirocco
          And for some reason, the United States is silent, why would it?

          Is the station American?
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 20 August 2013 15: 25 New
            +7
            Quote: Setrac
            Is the station American?

            Whose else?
            Hiroshima and Nagasaki first.
            Now Fukushima.
            But what would the Japanese not be distracted by such "little things", they bother their heads in the direction of the Kuril Islands.
            No matter how the Japanese people repeat the fate of dinosaurs ... laughing
        6. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 20 August 2013 21: 16 New
          +2
          Quote: Sirocco
          The territory is close, but underwater currents pull all these leaks towards the United States. And for some reason, the USA is silent, why would it?


          They are on the drum. Those to whom this business may not be indifferent do not have an opinion on this issue. Benefits again can rob ...
        7. Gladiatir-zlo
          Gladiatir-zlo 20 August 2013 21: 49 New
          +2
          Yes, this is a vivid example of the vaunted straw superiority, and democratic bonzes still turned out to be ghouls. So why should we scold our people and scourge, all over the world they treat people as garbage.
        8. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 22 August 2013 22: 19 New
          0
          In my opinion, all currents are pulled to Kamchatka.
          1. Cynic
            Cynic 23 August 2013 18: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Patriot.ru.
            currents pull to Kamchatka.

            There is such a science oceanology _ Above laid out
      2. Sol_jah
        Sol_jah 20 August 2013 09: 36 New
        0
        what other mutation (NFs have not been read otherwise), cold-blooded fish and a different metabolism, all the radiation to them is a light bulb, near the Chernobyl NPP, the catfish live in the canal and do not blow
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Osqm_8sKEeo
        1. tilovaykrisa
          tilovaykrisa 20 August 2013 09: 48 New
          +2
          Yes, not just catfish, but huge Rybchiki just the Old Man likes to catch them.
        2. Jin
          Jin 20 August 2013 10: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: Sol_Jah
          to them all the radiation to the bulb, near the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, the catfish live in the canal and do not blow in the mustache


          The fish can even go to the lantern, but people who don’t care about this fish will decide to eat with human "warm-blooded" metabolism will not be very "tasty".

          Quote: Sol_Jah
          what other mutation


          A mutation is better, although it would be clear that this miracle is harmful to eat.
        3. Forget-me-not
          Forget-me-not 24 August 2013 20: 06 New
          0
          PEOPLE eat fish!
      3. Jin
        Jin 20 August 2013 10: 24 New
        +9
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        It is also terrifying that our territory is close


        In general, of course, this is sheer bestiality on the part of the Japanese ... What protected whales are exterminated, what the focus is ... tihari damn, fans, smiles, but in fact wolves in sheep's clothing, it would seem to them not to know , what is radiation and what does it eat (((
      4. Albert1988
        Albert1988 20 August 2013 12: 04 New
        +3
        The fish mutation is not so terrible - for the most part, mutants will not survive in nature, it is worse than the accumulation of radionuclides in fish organisms - a huge amount of them can accumulate there (in fact, the example with a perch is given in the article) due to the high resistance of their body to radiation, fish it’s not scary - she won’t survive to cancer, but for a person who eats such fish ...
      5. viruskvartirus
        viruskvartirus 20 August 2013 16: 53 New
        +3
        ))) Do not expect to see two-headed fish. Living creatures have protection against radiation exposure, and what’s what, and the ocean will dissolve and not notice.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 20 August 2013 18: 46 New
          0
          Quote: viruskvartirus
          Do not expect to see two-headed fish. Living creatures have radiation protection.

          But soon we will see the selection for increased resistance to radiation !!! Here it is evolution in action ...
          Quote: viruskvartirus
          and so what, but the ocean will dissolve and not notice.

          Dissolve it will dissolve, but only then eat fish and other seafood from this ocean will not be very good for health ...
      6. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 20 August 2013 21: 14 New
        0
        Quote: tronin.maxim
        It is also terrifying that our territory is close. At this rate, a fish mutation will occur soon.


        Of course it will happen - they will all go to fish hell ...
    2. Hudo
      Hudo 20 August 2013 08: 38 New
      +5
      Quote: Hauptmann Emil
      So why are our UN silent?


      Maybe they are silent because they understand that there will be no support. The UN yellow-faced anthem has concentrated all the "experts" closer to Iran (they are looking for BNB), and the chemical ones closer to Syria (with a similar task).
    3. Papakiko
      Papakiko 20 August 2013 09: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Hauptmann Emil
      If you are silent, they will continue to do nothing further.

      What remains for them to do? Minimum possibilities. If you catch up on equipment for REAL liquidation, then where to put all the burial grounds of transport and how can you hide it from the public? Japan is not the Russian Federation, Belarus or Ukraine, places are very limited.
      The level of contaminated groundwater beneath the territory of the nuclear power plant is now 60 cm higher than the protective barriers that were erected along the entire coastline of the port. Simply put, radioactive water just pours into the ocean.
      With this pearl, what to do, how to understand what the author wanted to say?
      There are no facilities around the nuclear power plant, for this it is enough to look at the “satellite maps”, with the exception of breakwaters and a pier from the side of the sea-okiyan about 6 meters high.
      60 cm. Above the "protective structures"- it should be similar to Niagara Falls in terms of flowing water 1 834 m³ / s . What brutal pumps do the Japonians pump with such a volume of water into the cellars of the nuclear power plant?
      According to measurements in one of the drainage tunnels, the level of radioactive cesium in the water reaches 2,35 billion. becquerels per liter of liquid, with international 150 becquerels.
      These two lines are more than enough to understand the approximate depth of the Fukushima "popalov".
      Before the Fukushima accident, we measured radiation in micro-roentgens and X-ray machines in every hospital.
      And now Becquerel ... and which particular Becquerel?
      There are 10 of them. from 10 \ 1 to 10 \ 24 (soundboard, hecto, kilo, mega, gig, terra, pet, exa, zetta, iotta)
      Generally sad everything is on Fukushima.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 20 August 2013 10: 24 New
        +2
        The power pump of any thermal power plant or nuclear power plant consumes about 2MW of electricity. Two megawatts is a lot, believe me. And there are dozens of them.
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 20 August 2013 11: 36 New
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          The power pump of any thermal power plant or nuclear power plant consumes about 2MW of electricity. Two megawatts is a lot, believe me. And there are dozens of them.

          "Native heart" is not a question of megawatts, but the volume of pumped water.
          Sit with the puppeteer and count.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 20 August 2013 12: 44 New
            +3
            Somewhere from 500 to 1000 cubes per hour takes the feed pump. Made there along the way. Non-damaged water treatment plants give the pumps clean water, otherwise they would have already bent. From the pumps, this water goes to the ejection unit, where it picks up seawater, which you cannot pass directly through. After that, the water is pumped under the barrels, washing away the active zones in the sea. The delusional figures given by the Japanese are unclear why - of course it’s a lie ... Sorry, I didn’t discuss the topic, you asked - where did the water come from, I answered. Well, you sailor, it seems, the topic of pumps is not alien to you? wink
            1. Papakiko
              Papakiko 20 August 2013 17: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Sorry, I didn’t open the topic, you asked - where did the water come from, I answered.

              The general meaning is clear, but do not pump so much. The video below is not good, but you can see the state of affairs at the station in the fall of 2011.
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Well, you sailor, it seems, the topic of pumps is not alien to you

              And why did you decide that all sailors are specialists in pumps, and even superproductive. belay
              Quote: Mikhail3
              From the pumps, this water goes to the ejection unit, where it picks up seawater, which you cannot pass directly through.

              This is of course a plus !!!!
              But I doubt that they do it or did it. wink

              Well, what kind of pressure and perseverance is +.
              1. Mikhail3
                Mikhail3 20 August 2013 20: 12 New
                +3
                Well, to be honest - you pump up as much as you like. You see - one feed pump can produce a thousand tons per hour. There should be three of them at one power unit - one in reserve. Moreover, at nuclear power plants they are not under the turbine, as a rule, but aside, everyone should work. It is quite possible to fill all the neighborhoods with water, because we will not pump into the void, but raise the level of soil water in a limited space. Plus they also brought fire water cannons for large buildings, there are generally constructions on turbojet engines, the performance is simply indescribable ...
                Yes, I thought that they study for sailors laughing Well, since the iron barrel is separated from the ocean floor only by its filling ... let’s tell you about the pumps. In general, the pump on any ship (including oil, fuel and other other compressors, which are essentially the same pumps) is the most common mechanism. In general, I'm sorry, got excited wink
                Well, the ejection pumps on seawater were definitely made, but not out of altruism. Just softened water from water treatment plants is expensive. This is if we pay for electricity, then water too, and so ... Well, a welder ejects an ejection unit in an hour, even a blinker. However, the Japanese, I think, made them a month, they messed up ten million dollars and it turned out worse than Uncle Vasya.
    4. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 20 August 2013 21: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: Hauptmann Emil
      So why are our UN silent? Let them openly talk about it from the "high" stands. If you are silent, they will continue to do nothing further.


      What's the point? The UN was created so that American puppets, from a high rostrum, could express the thoughts of their lord, well, and praise him at the same time. I don’t see any options whereby a priest can make his head bite, so apparently there are no statements to the UN.
    5. Recon
      Recon 22 August 2013 07: 38 New
      +1
      The UN has long ceased to be an authority in our world. But only an instrument of political influence of a certain group of countries.
    6. Mohomax
      Mohomax 25 August 2013 23: 34 New
      0
      We draw conclusions, now in Japan there are no samurai, and in 86 we had (though not quite by our own will), but nevertheless, building heroes out of ourselves as in Japan is low
  2. Egen
    Egen 20 August 2013 07: 43 New
    +3
    Yes, radiation is a common thing for the Japanese ... at least for the ruling circles - they have been preparing people for this for a long time, their "Godzilla" and the like radiation monsters appeared on the screen long before the American - in 54 :)
    Seriously, IMHO the Japanese as ordinary people are also good, like the Americans. And Russians are "worse." But in general, Japan as a country, if you look at its history, it turns out that you don’t give a damn about your neighbors, and even about your ordinary people. But it’s a pity, the country is interesting, the nature of the films and pictures is a picture, I’ve dreamed of going there all my life, but it’s better to see somewhere in Africa ... :)
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    2. Forget-me-not
      Forget-me-not 24 August 2013 20: 31 New
      -1
      Well yes. It is in Africa, and better in the eastern coastal zones. There, all the Fukushima water splashes off the coast! Well, in general, American engineers did things. I am glad that among them there are no graduates of the Russian "polytechnics", in any case, there is no mention of this yet. It is time for our scientists to develop alternative ways of generating electricity. I live in Rostov-on-Don. And the nuclear power plant is not far from us, upstream of the Don - the city of Volgodonsk. And if something goes wrong, then the infection zone will capture the Azov, Black Seas, all resorts, the Caucasus, etc. And there will be no breadbasket of Russia. Whose wheat will we eat?
      P.S. It is time to tie with a peaceful atom, until they died out themselves without noise and dust.
  3. Nitarius
    Nitarius 20 August 2013 07: 47 New
    10
    Why is no one talking! that FUKUSIMU was blown up, or rather the Tsunami, was specially built with an atomic explosion in the ocean ???
    Japan + USA - which the world has not seen. Chernobyl was an accident here. and here they specially blew up. Such rich millionaires in the USA and JAPAN - SHOOT for such a need!
    1. aviator_IAS
      aviator_IAS 20 August 2013 10: 32 New
      +5
      Quote: Nitarius
      Why is no one talking! that FUKUSIMU was blown up, or rather the Tsunami, was specially built with an atomic explosion in the ocean ???


      No, well, this is already too much. Hundreds of seismographs work in different countries and scientists have accumulated rich experience in classifying various earthquakes. And atomic tests not only detect, but also calculate power.

      But the sin of the Americans is still there. They "planted a time bomb" stupidly concocted a project.
    2. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 20 August 2013 10: 36 New
      17
      Because it is idiocy and complete debilitation of the brain. SGA blew up nuclear power plants so that the radioactive water washed their shores, which are now silent as if they were killed. People-X are being taken out on an industrial scale, yeah ... they decided to produce hulks.
      As a result of the tsunami of the Fukushima nuclear power plant ... it didn’t suffer at all! But her staff rushed to flee, shamefully leaving the workplace. If it were not for the broken power line, then automation (not the bullshit that the Japanese give out as their achievements, but a real, American 60 of that century) would independently drown the station and everything would go quietly. Yes, she almost did it already, just the Americans of the 60x at that time could not imagine how the staff screeched, shaking with their olfactory pants, all in one piece. And jamming in the open position of the overload valves on the evaporators was done in manual mode, because such an operation should be performed by a person. But a man, not a pissing Japanese! Here are the barrels and tore ...
      Meanwhile, the Rosatom delegation was sitting at the airport, which Kiriyenko assembled in emergency mode. There were people who personally extinguished Chernobyl, our engineers, who would have extinguished the situation in an hour or two, who could easily reduce everything to a minor technical malfunction. But Gendir TEPKO sat in his office, tearing off the phones and silently shitting for himself. And the prime minister of Japan every five minutes called those three Japanese who "risked" walking along the outer corridors of the block with flashlights. When it exploded, ours were quietly sent home ...
    3. Horde
      Horde 20 August 2013 11: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Nitarius
      Why is no one talking! that FUKUSIMU was blown up, or rather the Tsunami, was specially built with an atomic explosion in the ocean ???
      Japan + USA - which the world has not seen. Chernobyl was an accident here. and here they specially blew up. Such rich millionaires in the USA and JAPAN - SHOOT for such a need!


      wow, here it is! there is no uranium235, all our uranium is being sent to the states, but for the sake of saving Pin_Dos energy, Japanese stations were destroyed by the explosion of a nuclear bomb and tsunami, and thorium stations cannot be built because some military effect is obtained.
      But this is a BOMB !!! INFORMATION.
      Is Kiriyenko the main one for the supply of uranium to the states? What is Putin doing? And what, who is Onishchenko there ???
      Does everyone really care?

      and the journalist sits and grins vilely, "this cannot be"
      1. Internet fighter
        Internet fighter 20 August 2013 16: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Horde
        wow, here it is! no uranium235

        It is not that it is not there, but that consumption exceeded production.
        Quote: Horde
        all our uranium is driven to the states, but for the sake of saving pin_dos energy

        Actually, yes, under the HEU-LEU program since the 93rd year, which ended this year.
        Quote: Horde
        and thorium stations cannot be built because some military effect is obtained.

        The neutrino beam is like a beam weapon, not the stations themselves.
  4. Kibalchish
    Kibalchish 20 August 2013 07: 52 New
    -33
    This article is already similar to verbiage.
    Yes, in Chernobyl they "really fought" ... throwing people into the radioactive heat, while Japan prefers to protect people. Work on Fukushima is underway. Here, too, the author lied. Nobody took responsibility from the Japanese, but it would be better for us to keep quiet with our Chernobyl. We dirtied the land much more. That's right, for the sake of justice.
    1. Alpha-omega
      Alpha-omega 20 August 2013 08: 13 New
      11
      "..We have spoiled the land much more ..." - this is another question, who is the most dirtied (or rather the dirtied). Let's see how many more years they will need to eliminate the leakage of radiation into the ocean. laughing
      "... This is so, in fairness ..." - in fairness it should be said that despite all their scientific and technological progress, the Japanese were not ready for such accidents (although the sensational Chernobyl was earlier). The Union would solve this problem in 2-3 months.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 20 August 2013 08: 22 New
        -23
        In Japan, the scale of the disaster is much smaller. And that water - so the ocean is big. And the territory is deactivated.



        To fellow minusculers, do not minus the rat, but write the arguments.
        1. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 20 August 2013 08: 49 New
          10
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And that water - so the ocean is big. And the territory is deactivated.

          ... for the whole Pacific Ocean - you're right, it's practically nothing! But for our coastal waters - it’s very close ... and the fish swims far and ... you can find many more "OTHER AND"
          So do not equalize the chances of getting infection in Russia and Papua Guinea with New Zealand ... It seems that the ocean and water are the same, but the difference, OH, WHAT'S BIG ....
          When is it deactivated? And why didn’t itch before? Or did they expect that the water will wash away everything?
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 20 August 2013 10: 02 New
            +4
            Quote: KazaK Bo
            Or did they expect that the water will wash away everything?

            Water washes away everything.
            Precipitation into the ground, then partly into the soil and into plants, the rest directly in river streams in the sea-okiyan. A couple of decades and there will be almost a "natural background". In japonia, precipitation is more frequent and more abundant than the average for Ukraine-Belarus-Russia and the sea-okiyan closer.
            How many years after the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki did the "normal" background return and how much mutation did the residents experience?
            Here is a video with traces of Avria and the scale of the work performed.
        2. Varnaga
          Varnaga 20 August 2013 09: 24 New
          10
          Of course less, we have the WHOLE reactor exploded, but for yapps it’s just that: three reactors with a molten core + a lot of spent fuel in cooling pools)) And yes:
          On December 10, 2012, the most recent analyzes of water samples were published before the six-month break.
          Tritium - 29000bq / liter
          Strontium-90 - 8,6bq / liter (again, no error)
          On June 19, 2013 the results of the analysis of samples taken on May 24, 2013 were published.
          Tritium - 500000bq / liter
          Strontium-90 - 1000bq / liter

          Fukushima data
          It can be seen how work is being carried out efficiently and hi-tech))
        3. sir.jonn
          sir.jonn 20 August 2013 10: 11 New
          +5
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And that water - so the ocean is big.

          Have you heard about the migration of commercial fish species, or do you think that only currents can harm
          Quote: Kibalchish
          And the territory is deactivated.

          Unlike the Chernobyl disaster, where it was possible to localize the infected territory of the Fukushima nuclear power plant, it does not have such an opportunity because of the proximity of the coast. And too large volumes of contaminated soil will not deactivate, either by area or by depth, just fill it with lead and pour concrete like in Chernobyl.
        4. Lomikus
          Lomikus 20 August 2013 10: 52 New
          +7
          To send people like you to the Far East and settle closer to your beloved Japan, then we will look at your comments.
          1. sir.jonn
            sir.jonn 20 August 2013 19: 39 New
            +1
            Dear Mikhail, to refer this in the style of tsarist or Stalinist repressions. In our case, if a person is so sure, let him stay there or, as a last resort, he will look for a very fat and tasty sardine and Iwashi everyone so beloved in the Soviet Union, (remember in iron cans?) It is feeding somewhere there.
        5. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 August 2013 10: 56 New
          12
          Quote: Kibalchish
          In Japan, the scale of the disaster is much smaller

          Do not lie. 4 emergency units + emergency storage of spent fuel assemblies less than one RBMK? Despite the fact that in Chernobyl the reaction went out IMMEDIATELY after the accident, and at Fukushima-1 at least one of the power units was not repaid BEFORE NOW. Otherwise, the radioactive iodine in the samples simply has nowhere to come from, with its half-life
        6. andruha70
          andruha70 20 August 2013 13: 36 New
          11
          welcome all! specially registered to Kibalchish answer ... kibalchish-you imagine what it is-to deactivate radiation? The word is, of course, beautiful ... tongue and the fact that for this, dozens of cm of lead ... or hundreds of cm of reinforced concrete is necessary, it never occurred to you? And yet, it’s not a fact that this is 100% DEACTIVATION .... no you any (not to mention a nuclear physicist ... lol ) competent person will answer ...
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        8. Alpha-omega
          Alpha-omega 21 August 2013 19: 31 New
          +3
          "... And that the water is so big the ocean. And the territory is deactivated ..." - and that the atmosphere, it’s even more, which is something to fear.)))

          Instead of a thousand words:
    2. anip
      anip 20 August 2013 08: 28 New
      -3
      In fact, the Japanese liquidators entered highly radioactive zones and carried out technical work there.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 20 August 2013 08: 46 New
        10
        Quote: anip
        In fact, the Japanese liquidators entered highly radioactive zones and carried out technical work there.


        It turns out they caught, caught a fish, but did not catch it. But this is not about that. God forbid, in 1986, something would have gone wrong in the construction of the sarcophagus at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant - all the "truth-tellers" would have screamed all over the world before the vulture without getting tired of the squinting and inferiority of the Soviet people and their power, and here it is silent.
        1. Kibalchish
          Kibalchish 20 August 2013 08: 48 New
          -16
          The Japanese do not build a sarcophagus - they completely disassemble the station.
          1. Varnaga
            Varnaga 20 August 2013 09: 36 New
            14
            ahaha, I almost fell off my chair! so what, did you take it a lot?)) Nothing that the yapps will start extracting nuclear fuel in 10 years at the earliest?)) that is, when everything around is already completely infected))
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 20 August 2013 11: 06 New
            10
            Quote: Kibalchish
            they completely disassemble the station
            And where do they put it? And which of the 6 power units of the Fukushima-1 NPP is meant? But is there nothing that in one of the emergency blocks the chain reaction is still not extinguished?
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 20 August 2013 11: 03 New
        +7
        Quote: anip
        In fact, the Japanese liquidators entered highly radioactive zones and carried out technical work there.

        Really, here is some happiness ... lol And the fact that the radioactivity of water in the engine rooms was noticed only when one of the hard workers scooped up his boots - these are already details lol
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco 20 August 2013 08: 42 New
      14
      Quote: Kibalchish
      but for us with our Chernobyl, it would be better to keep quiet.

      Do you seriously think so, or are you talking about a blizzard for a red word? Chernobyl is a flower compared to Fukushima. And do not pick up the chatter of the Western media about the insignificant consequences after the Fuke accident. Which has been poisoning the oceans for several years, and you and me.
      1. Kibalchish
        Kibalchish 20 August 2013 08: 46 New
        -15
        Even our specialists say that Chernobyl was much worse. Or do you think that its own radiation is something better than bourgeois?
        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 20 August 2013 09: 34 New
          12
          Quote: KazaK Bo
          When Chernobyl happened, dozens of planes flew from Europe to Kiev to take their citizens out of the "nuclear hell" .... And HERE SUCH SILENCE ..

          So the Japonians and their families traveled around the world, supposedly on business trips. (Well, this is middle, top management and specialists)
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Even our specialists say that Chernobyl was much worse.

          What is allowed is what they say. The rest can not be voiced or written.

          It was very interesting to me and I went to Zarechny (BAES) and asked during the "glass of tea" what and how possible in Fukushima. And in short the answer was: Forget it, it’s shameful and their mouths were closed to them. In Chernobyl, it took a lot of atmosphere and the Japonians merged everything into the water.
        2. fokino1980
          fokino1980 20 August 2013 10: 07 New
          +5
          What are your specialists ??? And the accident in Japan cannot be less in consequence than in Chernobyl, the only thing that saves the proximity of the ocean!
        3. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 August 2013 11: 09 New
          +4
          Quote: Kibalchish
          Even our specialists say that Chernobyl was much worse
          Which ones? And what exactly are they specialists in? There are a lot of specialties there
    4. Varnaga
      Varnaga 20 August 2013 09: 12 New
      +5
      Yeah, how well they cherish))
      Almost 2 thousand emergency workers at the Japanese Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant received a potentially hazardous radiation dose. According to the Japanese newspaper Asahi Shimbun, at risk were 1973 a liquidator who has been exposed to radiation by more than 100 millisieverts.
      The station operator initially claimed that 178 people, however, the actual number of exposed was higher.

      How not good))
      PS
      According to experts, a dose of 100 millisievert significantly increases the risk of developing cancer, and to all those who have the misfortune to receive this dose of radiation, the operator of the Tokyo Electric Power Company station granted a lifetime right of free medical examination.
    5. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 20 August 2013 09: 54 New
      28
      Quote: Kibalchish
      Yes, in Chernobyl they "really fought" ... throwing people into the radioactive heat, while Japan prefers to protect people


      Oh yes, the "great connoisseur" of the truth, you know better who is right and who is not!

      Our PEOPLE (with a capital letter), not sparing their lives, saved this whole world from an invisible infection! And if you do not know the fact of this, that at first, the USSR sent robots to eliminate the disaster. But under some radiation, the robots simply broke, stalled. AND THEREFORE, MY CUTE "GREAT SIGN" of THE TRUTH, HAD TO SEND PEOPLE TO DEATH FOR WE TO LIVE TODAY! And I shoot hi and bow my head to these people!
    6. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 20 August 2013 10: 47 New
      13
      To protect people is to allow the core of four reactors to freely melt outside of containment ?! I love liberal humanism! If a tough person kills you, you will quickly die. And if the liberal humanist regrets you, you will die too, but you will be very, very long tormented in hell! What the hell is there, in comparison with liberal justice, the devils are just children ...
      Now JAPAN is undergoing radioactive damage! And a very large part of the American coast. What is happening is much worse than the atomic bombing, it just happens slowly and so far unnoticed. But when it becomes noticeable ... a person who has shame, would be ashamed. But if, instead of shame, liberal "justice" ...
      1. Motors1991
        Motors1991 20 August 2013 15: 34 New
        +1
        Guys, you don’t know, don’t write any nonsense. If the reactor core melted, then no water would flow out, and the radioactive vapor would go along and cover the whole of Asia, get it to the Urals exactly. And if you’re very concerned, drink vodka, well and strontium, and cesium displays, iodine does not decay very very quickly. Leave Fukushima to the Japanese, let their head hurt.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 20 August 2013 17: 21 New
          +6
          Active zones were left without water. At first they warmed up (that very hour the barrels themselves had already broken with hydrogen and steam), then they naturally melted, having sintered as a whole with the material of the rods and partly with the walls of the reactors. Then these red-hot puddles burned a protective containment and ... fell into the water! There is water underground on the coast, you know.
          In the process of melting, the area of ​​contact with water decreased tenfold, because now it’s not packets of round rods, but some kind of puddles. Therefore, it is now impossible to cool with water these drops, they will melt for a long time, a very long time. But there will be no dust, because the Japanese supply there thousands of tons (three hundred tons per day, ha!) Of sea water, which slightly cools these "drops" and washes off all the products of combustion in the sea. "Leave this to the Japanese" will not work, the ocean, you will not believe the total!
          1. Motors1991
            Motors1991 20 August 2013 18: 38 New
            10
            The water has the property to evaporate and no one will deliver it to the core. I was in Chernobyl from July 5 to October 18, so it’s not like a single drop of rain has fallen all summer, there haven’t been a cloud in the sky , they didn’t let us into the zone. The first rain fell on September 10th. By the way, there was a water pool under the reactor, when they calculated how much radioactive steam would form if the molten active mass burns through concrete, Kiev will have to be evacuated, so two people wore wetsuits, climbed into this pool, opened taps and drained the water, but who now remembers these people. Now, according to radiation doses, it is stated that about 2 thousand people in Fukushima received a dose of 100miliziverts, this is about 10 x-rays. So in Chernobyl, the norm after which they deduced for a zone of 25 x-rays, about 2 thousand people received such a dose of only concrete truck drivers from our base, this is not counting builders, tractor drivers, people who cleaned the roof, station workers. I have had cases when the mixer driver 6-7 X-ray was received. But that’s not all, by the order of the chief engineer US-605 (construction department building the sarcophagus) I don’t remember from which date, the radiation doses of drivers and builders were reduced by 1,4 times, I signed it myself, for what? There was a very high turnover, they didn’t have time to push the people. Moreover, no matter how much you get, no one will write you more than 24,7 rubles. When I read about Fukushima, it’s just ridiculous to compare with Chernobyl. What is the cost of designing and building a sarcophagus from scratch, and after all, before that, the miners broke tunnels under the reactor, then we poured them with concrete, someone dug a ditch around the station 30 meters deep and got muddy with clay and much more. And all this I repeat from scratch.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 20 August 2013 20: 38 New
              +3
              Read my posts above. If you supply ENOUGH water, and do not bother with some kind of pollution ... This is what we all want to do right, and these ... Do not equate these underpants with you. Are you a builder as I understand it? But they are first of all bastards and vile cowards, because they have other problems ...
              By the way, I advise you to read the information. They do not deny that they supply water there. They simply downplay its volume tenfold.
              1. Motors1991
                Motors1991 21 August 2013 15: 49 New
                +6
                I’m not a builder, I’m a motorist, I worked on transshipment (this is where concrete was transferred from our mixers to MAZs, and they were already transporting it to the station) as an AK-1 mechanic, and as a result of my service I had to go around where our turntables unloaded concrete, and They dumped him mainly into concrete pumps. And they already drove him to the walls, so like any motorist was quite informed, of course I don’t know a lot of things, because the situation did not have excessive curiosity, there were several cases when very curious people received such doses that the ambulance came and took them. This muck doesn’t smell, does not smoke, does not light up, so I wasn’t recommended to hang around on the block, especially if you aren’t local. Plus, I was a lieutenant, Motherland took me from the post of chief of a motorcall in ATP and sent a mechanic to Avtobaza 3 UMiAT US-605 in Chernobyl, just like she did with foremen, craftsmen, engineers, percent 70 of the lower ITR US-605, there were just such lieutenants as I. We lived at first two weeks in Chernobyl itself, then we were transferred to the pioneer camp ,, Pilot ,, near Radomyshl, in conversations we naturally shared information on work among ourselves. We were well aware of the causes of the disaster already in the summer of 86, because some of us worked with the station’s staff, they weren’t evacuated anywhere, they were taken out of the zone to the camps and that’s all. The only thing was we didn’t know who gave the command to conduct the experiment. Only in the 2000s did the information leaked that the order came from the CPSU Central Committee. As for the cowardice of the Japanese, still it’s not known how we would behave now. Then there was a different country, a different people. I did not feel such a feeling of universal brotherhood, as then in Chernobyl anywhere and never. I’ll add when they say that the sarcophagus is about to collapse, I laugh and I answer, it is built on such a selective mat that it will last longer than the Egyptian pyramids.
                1. Misantrop
                  Misantrop 24 August 2013 11: 34 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Motors1991
                  information leaked that the order came from the Central Committee of the CPSU

                  Quote: Motors1991
                  who gave the command to conduct the experiment
                  The Central Committee of the CPSU did not decide ANYTHING, too large a crowd of people. Decisions were made in the Politburo of the Central Committee. And on the 4th block itself it was forced through and directly led by a certain Woodpecker. This is the one with ... but that pushed the start of the experiment contrary to the opinion of the operators. Very much he was in a hurry to report to the holiday ...

                  Regarding the melting of the active zones, it really happened when the assemblies were left without water. But they were more or less held by the zirconium shell of the assemblies. But when the salty ocean water fell on this red-hot ... the most "fun" began. Zirconium in the presence of chlorine ions and high temperature instantly reacts with water, taking oxygen from it. That's where the gigantic amount of free hydrogen came from, blowing up the blocks' bodies when hit in the air.

                  Well, then everything else is funnier. The American school of science came up with the name for such an amorphous mass of fuel composition - "corium." Allegedly, this rubbish is so hot that it burns through everything, so it needs to be cooled. But in fact, the temperature there is below 100 degrees, and burning is due to the ongoing chain reaction, the water in which just serves as a neutron moderator. It was not by chance that there was no “corium” near Chernobyl, but that in the USA during the accident on the Triple Island, that in “Fukushima” it was like dirt. They just mixed up the process with the substance ...
                  1. Motors1991
                    Motors1991 26 August 2013 20: 42 New
                    0
                    I will not argue who gave the command to the experiment, it is clear that she came from the very top. No director will do such things on her own, at that time it was said that at first they wanted to conduct this experiment at the Zaporizhzhya NPP, but there the director turned out to be stronger and not seduced by the promised order and other blessings, for which we should be grateful to him for the grave of life, otherwise he would have wandered in the middle of Ukraine in one of the most densely populated areas, millions of people would have to be evacuated. So even with lucky Chernobyl, the wind blew, so to speak in Polesie, even the city of Pripyat was scribbled over the edge, on the opposite side of Chernobyl the whole forest was burned out, I can’t even imagine how it would approach the station if the wind blew to Chernobyl, and so all communications were almost unaffected, in only two places was yellow the forest was cut off 150 meters from the road. Now, as for Fukushima, I’m obviously not a big specialist, if the reactors are destroyed and there is a reaction in them, the water in them should be suicidal, even if the temperature the tour is less than 100 degrees, because it will evaporate and the entire adjacent territory will constantly increase the radioactive background, I tell you as a practice. In July 1986, in Chernobyl, the background was 1,5-2 millientgen, this is if the wind was blowing to the side station, if vice versa 2-3 millirentgen. The distance from Chernobyl to the station is 18km.
                    1. Misantrop
                      Misantrop 26 August 2013 20: 59 New
                      0
                      It was such a fashion then, it even reached the naval installations ... The installation itself transferred to this mode, only it is quicker and more compact with us, and the experience is more noticeable than that of civilian operators. After all, they have been sitting in stationary mode almost for years, and on the fleet for another month, five or six inputs and outputs are running.
                      Quote: Motors1991
                      water suicide in them suicidally
                      But they cannot help but submit that they are still praying for that IAEA instruction that the USSR Navy canceled it back in 1968 after the K-140 accident. And in that instruction, the supply of plentiful cooling is almost the main point. So they pour ...
                      1. Motors1991
                        Motors1991 28 August 2013 14: 40 New
                        0
                        Honestly, I would not like to participate in such experiments, when I saw the destroyed block for the first time, there was an irresistible desire to disappear, my head immediately pulled into my shoulders and generally became noticeably smaller. According to the instructions that you told me the news, I'm a distant person from the nuclear industry, just I had to face this in life, but even I understand that water cannot be poured into the reactor. In Chernobyl, they even stopped throwing lead when it came to be that these ingots did not only destroy the bombs inside, they still melt and give poisonous fumes , dangerous in themselves, without any radiation. When I already had some white matter, very sticky, sprinkled from helicopters, if it got into the windshield, it was difficult to tear it off.
            2. Des10
              Des10 21 August 2013 14: 09 New
              +2
              Thank. Just human thanks. I have friends of Chernobyl, but more -
              three are gone.
    7. Horde
      Horde 20 August 2013 11: 54 New
      +5
      Quote: Kibalchish
      This article is already similar to verbiage.


      Well, what do you say to the words of Professor Ostretsov? why should he lie? keep minus by the way
    8. yur
      yur 20 August 2013 21: 25 New
      +3
      Dear, what does “throwing people into radioactive hell” mean? The work was such. Moreover, it was completed in full, precisely and on time. But the Japanese could not repeat this, not because they cherished people, but because it turns out that not everyone in the world knows and knows how. PS By the way, I myself am the "liquidator of 1986" and if the Motherland calls (God forbid, of course, something like that), then we will repeat.
  5. strange and pretty meaningless
    strange and pretty meaningless 20 August 2013 07: 55 New
    +7
    "Already a few days after the accident at the nuclear power plant, the concentration of iodine-131 dropped out in the USA exceeded the world norm by 211 times."

    God marks the assault! I remember well in March 2011 - I just came from a flight, I got the salary in yen. And the yen - bang! - and sank. Japas, however, leveled off quite quickly ...

    But nearby is one of the main fishing areas - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Bering Sea. What will Sir Onishchenko tell us ...
    1. dirty trick
      dirty trick 20 August 2013 08: 22 New
      +6
      Quote: abyrvalg
      But nearby is one of the main fishing areas - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Bering Sea

      specify - these are Russian regions and they do not care.
      and about the fact that sarcophagi are not poured - he saved, then he earned
    2. anip
      anip 20 August 2013 08: 23 New
      +1
      Quote: abyrvalg
      But nearby is one of the main fishing areas - the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and the Bering Sea. What will Sir Onishchenko tell us ...

      Will not say anything. Betrayal of national interests since the days of Gorbachev in fashion.
  6. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 August 2013 08: 36 New
    +2
    since our inhabitants are basically fearless in earnest, we need to send military chemical defenders there so that they cover the sarcophagus, and to protect the marines and airborne forces, well, a couple of hundred tanks. yes there and stay. maybe, japas about the "northern territories" will be forgotten
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 August 2013 11: 30 New
      +6
      Quote: andrei332809
      need to send there
      No need to send, they will not let go, the restricted area. Try to find satellite images of this nuclear power plant before the accident. They are online. And try to find the energy-conducting power lines in these images. You will not find them NO. All the energy produced by 6 not the smallest units of this nuclear power plant was consumed in situ. And now think about which industries require MUCH energy ...
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 20 August 2013 12: 20 New
        +4
        I am very sorry ... The power line was not there, but yes, yes. Because the Japanese do not build them almost, preferring to bother with underground gaskets. So there was a cable, and it still broke, because a rock collapsed somewhere.
        Mysterious "production" - well, for example, aluminum from bauxite to melt. No. Or (oh horror!) Do you mean centrifuges? In an earthquake-prone area that the whole country is? Something Dr. Evil is too dumb now. Or maybe that same gas diffusion technology? The only question is, on what subject are such miracles? Because without the Americans, who built all the nuclear power plants and the entire electric facilities, this cannot be done.
        Some garbage comes out, in those years no one was really afraid, but the engineers were very cool, and we and they have. To place enrichment plants on foreign territory in order to transport uranium there by sea? And at what? Too easy to control, difficulties wanted? Or is it the Japanese themselves? Americans in the ass and they themselves all blinded? The seas burn, the forests flow, the mouse drowned in stone ...
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 20 August 2013 17: 33 New
          +5
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Or (oh horror!) Do you mean centrifuges? In an earthquake-prone area that the whole country is?

          And for underground cables of SUCH capacity, the area is NOT seismic, yeah. By the way, do they not bother with transformer substations either, directly from the generator and into the cable? And what is his diameter, for 6 not the weakest blocks? And another interesting feature - the Japanese somehow organized the supply of backup power to these units for some reason; there is a power line there, albeit of small capacity.
          Quote: viktorR
          What kind of production will you show?
          I myself am interested, but they’re not allowed to go there, ANYTHING (including Americans) Why?
          By the way, Japan has an enrichment plant that is quite official. They make fuel assemblies for themselves, and this is poorly real without separators. They even there in 1999 a small nuclear accident happened http://dead-city.ru/techno/avariya_tokaymura/

          And here is also a reference interesting to Fukushima and its oddities:
          http://ruscesar.livejournal.com/238940.html
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 20 August 2013 20: 59 New
            +3
            For properly laid cables - no, not seismic. At least when choosing whether to make earthquake-proof cable channels or earthquake-resistant mast of power transmission lines, in the 60 years of that century the first decision was made. Why? I'm not a doctor smile Those thermal power plants where I thought something on our Shield are standing, we are not waiting for earthquakes yet. The cable is not one, there are several. The sections due to the transmitted capacities are not weak, but there is nothing monstrous there, why? Cable and cable ...
            As for substations - if the power does not eat an electric demon at the output, then there are substations for anyone, no matter how secret or mysterious the production is. It’s just that it’s not so easy to notice, that’s all. Maybe it's light boxes (Americans love it) right next to the blocks.
            By the way, a backup power line - they recently threw it. And about their relationship, you are a little of that ... mistaken. This is now the Japanese can try somewhere not to let the Americans. Try ... And when they built the nuclear power plant ... in general, the Americans know absolutely everything there and much more of what the Japanese themselves do not know. Of course, they have assembly production. But the production of such power to gobble up the production of six blocks, 4,7 gigawatts ... a million centrifuges? Come on...
            Yes, read the link. The block worked "for their own needs." You entice deaerators from neighbors to be launched, hydroblows will be trampled if there is no main steam. There, the length of the pipelines is not like in boats, hundreds of meters. And quench everything else ... is he bad, or what? Found a secret, a conspiracy theorist, a tree ...
      2. viktorR
        viktorR 20 August 2013 12: 28 New
        +1
        Looked, really you are right.
        A link to guesses with the analysis, what kind of production will you show there? The truth is very interesting!

        1. Internet fighter
          Internet fighter 20 August 2013 16: 33 New
          -2
          Quote: viktorR
          A link to guesses with the analysis, what kind of production will you show there? The truth is very interesting!


          Live shooting from the online broadcast: "Miraculous Miracles."
          1. viktorR
            viktorR 21 August 2013 13: 22 New
            0
            Something is not clear ... And what is happening there? I am not a very attentive person, apparently ...
  7. KazaK Bo
    KazaK Bo 20 August 2013 08: 41 New
    +7
    Strange, of course, a lot. Why is the information in our media very stingy and dosed? How did our scientific expeditions (about which so much was told by our TV) directed by the Russian GEOGRAPHICAL SOCIETY verified infection levels? After all, it is on our very shores! And there our people catch fish and crabs ... and go to the beach ... and rain often pour, after a breeze from the Japanese islands.
    But what about the international community? Where did the ubiquitous greenpeace go? Why doesn't he storm the coast of Japan? Why is silent? When the Chernobyl happened, dozens of planes flew from Europe to Kiev to take their citizens out of the "nuclear hell" .... But HERE IS SUCH SILENCE .... Only (in the words of the film-like image of Savely Kramorov) there are no dead people with braids along the road. ..but they will be, if our ONESHCHENKOVs and other principled guards of our health will be silent!
    Or afraid to raise a scandal? ... Afraid that a lot will come out ... a lot of strange things in this earthquake ... and the "ears" of our "sworn partner" will appear?
    All this is strange!
  8. Kubanets
    Kubanets 20 August 2013 08: 48 New
    +4
    In an interview with academician Ostretsov, the position of a liberal hamster of a journalist is noteworthy.
    1. mamba
      mamba 20 August 2013 09: 44 New
      10
      Quote: Kubanets
      In an interview with academician Ostretsov, the position of a liberal hamster of a journalist is noteworthy.

      and the desire to talk a specialist in a futile attempt to get a price. This “hamster” literally blocked the academician’s speech with his thunder, not allowing him to speak. To invite a specialist of such a level for an interview and constantly interrupt him is the height of disrespect.
  9. saag
    saag 20 August 2013 09: 07 New
    11
    And I was somehow surprised by the lack of mention in those programs that came after Fukushima, so this is information about robots, where is really Japanese high-tech? And is it in the country of victorious robotics?
    1. mamba
      mamba 20 August 2013 09: 53 New
      10
      Quote: saag
      where is really japanese hi-tech? And is it in the country of victorious robotics?

      Their robots were created for the sake of window dressing: here, they say, we are so cool, the most advanced! Yes, their robots dance well, but work poorly in radiation conditions. Therefore, the Japanese and trained detachments of volunteer suicide bombers.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 20 August 2013 12: 26 New
        10
        Turn off the anime ... They don’t have volunteers, that's the problem - there is nobody to work. Well, no one just dares to approach and that’s it, they threw plastic water pipes on long arrows, cut off the feed pumps from the remaining blocks for ejection and washed the active zones in the sea. Such a decontamination ...
        1. Internet fighter
          Internet fighter 20 August 2013 16: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Mikhail3
          They don’t have volunteers, that’s the problem - there is nobody to work.

          If they had not paid money, they would not have worked at all.
          PS. Still, we must pay tribute, the squad of "suicide bombers" they scored at the beginning of the emergency.
      2. Poppy
        Poppy 20 August 2013 15: 13 New
        +6
        in the conditions of radiation, any robots work poorly, because electronics does not like radiation, pneumology must be restored as ours did in the 80s
        1. mamba
          mamba 20 August 2013 21: 55 New
          +4
          Quote: Poppy
          in the conditions of radiation, any robots work poorly, because electronics does not like radiation

          As an electronics engineer, I can tell you exactly which electronics are “afraid” of radiation and which one. These are field-effect transistors and microcircuits based on them, thyristors of all types (dinistors, trinistors and triacs) and devices containing them. And they are “afraid” of neutrons. I myself conducted tests on the radiation resistance of semiconductor lasers with integrated pump generators.
          So, the developers of electronics for robots that are resistant to radiation, no one interfered with the use of chips on bipolar transistors.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 20 August 2013 22: 31 New
            0
            Quote: mamba
            no one interfered with the use of chips on bipolar transistors.

            and lamps ... lamps will help?
            1. mamba
              mamba 20 August 2013 22: 50 New
              +3
              Quote: antiaircrafter
              and lamps ... lamps will help?

              Of course, but this archaic is suitable for museums. Their age in equipment with receiving PZ has long ended. But the radiation resistance of the EEC was the highest.
              1. antiaircrafter
                antiaircrafter 21 August 2013 07: 51 New
                +1
                Quote: mamba
                Of course

                I knew it.
  10. tilovaykrisa
    tilovaykrisa 20 August 2013 09: 44 New
    +3
    Yapi is fatally unlucky with radiation.
    1. Internet fighter
      Internet fighter 20 August 2013 16: 38 New
      +4
      They are fatally unlucky with "friends."
      1. I think so
        I think so 20 August 2013 23: 21 New
        +3
        They (the Japanese) are so intimidated and snarled by their (?) Elite that all these problems are a real trifle for them (even atomic bombing) ... Well, their elite is yes - stupidity, obstinacy, narcissism, LITERACY, and hence CONSTANTLY incorrect STRATEGIC decisions ... I think that they (both the Japanese and the elite) jump before another nuclear bombardment ... now from the Koreans ... And in deed - when there is no brain, the priest suffers ... and let it suffer ...
  11. denson06
    denson06 20 August 2013 10: 00 New
    +9
    Quote: Sirocco
    The territory is close, but underwater currents pull all these leaks towards the United States. And for some reason, the USA is silent, why would it?

    I highly doubt that, as Egen pointed out above, radiation for the Japanese is a common thing .. although this is again a stone in the USA garden with their bombs in 1945 of the year and their "friends" from Japan, whose vanity will not wake up ... in general, these islanders were not very lucky with the "friends" .. as it was said in the headline of a recent article of the Military Review: "Worse war with the Anglo-Saxons can only be friendship with them .."
  12. USNik
    USNik 20 August 2013 10: 05 New
    +3
    TEPCO caught fish, sea bass, which had 254 becquerels per kilogram of weight, which exceeded 000 times the Japanese radiation standards.

    At this pace, Japan will soon become home to mutations, pathologies, and a radioactive testing ground. It is bad that the residents of the Far East involuntarily take part in this "experiment".
  13. Sergey Medvedev
    Sergey Medvedev 20 August 2013 10: 15 New
    +2
    The Japanese behave irresponsibly towards their neighbors. It makes sense to run into them using economic sanctions. And to limit the access of Japanese goods to the Russian market, and the oil that goes to them from Sakhalin. For a collision on Japan, it is worth attracting other Far Eastern neighbors - the PRC and the DPRK. Maybe someone else will connect. The main thing is to start.
  14. pensioner
    pensioner 20 August 2013 10: 16 New
    +8
    According to experts, about 300 tons are poured into the ocean per day.
    Chernobyl is on the go resting. You can regret the yapps. They have a little, not 70% of the supply to the ocean tied. But the fact that for more than 2 years no measures have been taken to eliminate the leak of contaminated water into the ocean is a crime. Worldwide. It would be nice to call the perpetrators to justice.
  15. eplewke
    eplewke 20 August 2013 10: 20 New
    +5
    let's start with the fact that the half-lives of strontium and cesium can reach decades without catalysts. How many of their relatives can one fish infect during this time.? Can you imagine the scale? How many people are "hooked" on Japanese cuisine now ??? Raw fish sushi rolls? Would you like to eat radionuclide fish ??? But this is one problem. Groundwater, as you know, does not stand still, it is a groundwater system, it envelops the entire island. And if superheavy hydrogen (tritium) got there, this isotope is a radiation hazard when inhaled, absorbed with food, absorbed through the skin, that is, drink some tap water, dear Japanese, you are not in danger ....
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 20 August 2013 11: 16 New
      +7
      Quote: eplewke
      the half-life of strontium and cesium can reach tens of years without catalysts
      Can you tell me what these "catalysts" of radiation decay are? World nuclear physics does not yet know about such ... request
      1. eplewke
        eplewke 20 August 2013 12: 15 New
        +2
        meant half-life blockers. Reservation. The essence of the post does not change from this. A lot of dirt flows, and nobody shouts a voice about it. And it would be necessary!
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 20 August 2013 13: 12 New
          +3
          The decay of a radioactive material is a natural process during which the material decays under the influence of neutrons emitted by the material itself. Do not share - what can catalyze / block it (I don’t know what you described again)? And according to the meaning of your post - you were not going to block the decay but somehow accelerate ... maybe cover with a tungsten lid?
          1. eplewke
            eplewke 21 August 2013 08: 25 New
            +1
            That's it, that nothing is being taken to leak this dirt! Though lead plugs would be put underground, or I don’t know, they dug up the earth and put in layers, so that the water would not leak into the open ocean or groundwater. In Chernobyl, a meter layer of land was removed and taken out. And then just pour water on the power unit and that's it.
  16. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 20 August 2013 10: 27 New
    11
    Even after the Chernobyl accident, I read a quote in one of our newspapers voiced in the Japanese media. Literally, over the years, I don’t remember her (do not blame her), but her whole point was that an accident at a nuclear facility can happen only in a backward country, and never in a developed one. Well, for example, in Japan. Like, we Japanese are some kind of advanced pipe and we won’t allow anything like that ...
    I am not going to eat about Fukushima. Because of this accident, many people were injured, and enormous damage was caused to the environment. But I just want to say to the gentlemen of the Japanese:
    -Don't say gop! until you jump.
    1. Arabist
      Arabist 20 August 2013 10: 45 New
      +9
      it’s obvious that they built on conscience, relying on Japanese chance, calculated the station for a seven-point earthquake in the coastal zone, where there were nine points, and a tsunami six meters high, although in the last hundred years at least three times a ten-meter, but once ( September 1, 1923) - and more than twenty meters. The station was built according to the project of an American company with the symbolic name Ebasco. So it "fucked up" - as you call a yacht, so it will float.
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 20 August 2013 14: 17 New
        +2
        Maybe he happened in the Japanese ... And gouging too ...
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil 20 August 2013 14: 59 New
        0
        It’s you who have now stuck an excerpt from the article “Fukushima” from Lurkomorye. I’d like to share a link or something. The article is really informative.
        1. Arabist
          Arabist 20 August 2013 20: 55 New
          0
          I will not deny it, I took it from there, the article is not bad, although Lurk is not the ultimate truth in different articles, they have errors.
        2. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 21 August 2013 01: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Dr. Evil
          That you are now an excerpt from the article "Fukushima" stuck with Lurkomorye

          This I reproduced what I read in the Trud newspaper exactly in the middle of the year 1986 from the birth of Christ ... bully
          So here "Lucamoria" nervously smokes a Virginia samosad around the corner and far to the side. laughing As the saying goes, feel the depth and difference in the situation, Ilya ... wink
          1. Doctor Evil
            Doctor Evil 21 August 2013 22: 08 New
            +1
            Dear Vasily. Some confusion has occurred. My comment was the answer to the Arabist. Why he fell down, I don’t know. hi
  17. Bigfoot_Sev
    Bigfoot_Sev 20 August 2013 10: 37 New
    +7
    the main thing for the Japanese is not to lose face. it is exclusively eastern. Now they themselves can’t do anything special. they can’t let gaijin to themselves. therefore poking around silently and save face.

    = ^ _ ^ =
    1. Albert1988
      Albert1988 20 August 2013 13: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Bigfoot_Sev
      the main thing for the Japanese is not to lose face.

      Well, just below, I’ve already unsubscribed about this, but the only catch is that if they provoke a major environmental disaster with their inaction, they will lose their face so much that their mother does not grieve!
      1. Bigfoot_Sev
        Bigfoot_Sev 20 August 2013 14: 33 New
        +6
        no. even in the case of a global and total hardcore, even in this case, the Japanese will not lose face. they will frown and tighten their lips. maybe even someone remembers the samurai code and accepts all the blame. but not a face.

        in practice, the Japanese can forget about the loss of face, when, so to speak, there is already an example of a person who has lost his face but not convicted of it.

        as applied to fukushima, it might look like this:
        1. on the coast of Japan landed a foreign landing, armed with technology, technology, people.
        2. the landing party rakes the crazy Japanese away and begins to iron, disassemble, clean, store, take out everything.
        3. The Japanese, having snapped their faces in disbelief for some time, join the process.

        = ^ _ ^ =
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 20 August 2013 18: 51 New
          +3
          Or, when they begin to feel the consequences of their own sloppiness, they will turn everything in a different direction - the Kuril Islands will begin to demand with doubled intensity, or there they will talk even more about the suffering of the Japanese people from the radiation threat. Most likely, nuclear power plants will be frantically shut down, which will increase the consumption of hydrocarbons with all the consequences.
          It is striking that the nation is not stupid, but they don’t at all learn from their mistakes ...
  18. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 11: 12 New
    +3
    "For more than two years, the Japanese, whom our westernized intelligentsia considered a super-technological nation, have been fouling the oceans." - this is the essence of the Japanese - with a straight face, continue to kill and die - sick aggressors with sick pride.
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 20 August 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      Hmm, minus, apparently the Japanese on the site laughing
  19. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 20 August 2013 11: 24 New
    +3
    For all the nasty things that are being done to the world, amers begin to teach in full. On one coast, oil, generously diluted with chemistry (do not forget about the golf stream with its eccentricities), is washing radiation onto the other. Urgently evacuate everyone in the yutu! Yapy also screwed up to the fullest, and let the robots dancing and working in the hairdressing salon not mislead anyone - it was found out in Fukushima that the Russians had cars for such cases, but they didn’t. One thing is bad: not the largest country in the world with a high population density has lost a significant territory for a long time, but here the neighbor is bigger and there are not so many people in the adjacent territory. No matter how they decided on any adventure.
    1. Lidia irkutsk
      Lidia irkutsk 24 August 2013 21: 06 New
      +1
      The “supranational” elites have long decided on a “gamble” more abruptly: to significantly reduce the population of the planet (apparently, Fukushima to help them), and to move to (in geological terms, the most prosperous and most catastrophic) territory - Western Siberia. And after all, serious models are being built.
  20. Hort
    Hort 20 August 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    so why haven’t the issue been raised yet at the UN? If the rice themselves can not cope with the problem, then the assistance of international forces is needed. First of all, the same Russia, the USA and China, as members of the Security Council, plus the rest of the countries whose shores are washed by the Pacific Ocean, and which may receive undesirable consequences of such a Japanese distribution ..
  21. Albert1988
    Albert1988 20 August 2013 12: 36 New
    +2
    Here is the result - another ecological catastrophe is brewing in the Pacific Ocean, and the stupid (in my humble opinion) Japanese habit of trying to cope with even the most serious problems is not to blame, without resorting to anyone else's help, even if it is necessary, but for in order to "save face." So the station’s owning corporation hid the scale of the accident from the government for several days and tried to liquidate everything by itself, then the Japanese government tried to cope without attracting foreign aid, although this had to be done right away, and now they finally admitted that radioactive vodka was flowing into the ocean already 2 years, when it’s too late ... In general, the obstinacy of some nations begins to cause logical bewilderment - I understand that they may not care about other countries, but it’s too damn dirty for their waters, which feed you ...
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 August 2013 17: 19 New
      13
      They have several punctures:
      1. Seismic zone and tsunami zone
      2. Design of reactors - emergency jamming of reactors MANUALLY !!!
      3. Emergency diesel engines were below the "water line", they flooded.
      4. Incompetence of personnel: they started the DG for a long time, for a long time they thought that it was possible to drive mobile DG, for a long time they connected the DG into the system, and the reactors were heated without cooling and then flopped.
      Then they began to pour water, BUT ... it’s too late to drink Borjomi .... Water is still being poured and it flows into the ocean.
      But the face is not lost. And all of Asia is silent and the United States is also a root after all.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 20 August 2013 18: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        And all of Asia is silent and the United States is also a root after all

        The USA is understandable, but Asia is really strange, because everything is nearby. If only they do not want to raise a panic ...
  22. Ivan79
    Ivan79 20 August 2013 12: 45 New
    +8
    1986 Japanese wrote in their newspapers: "Russian savages must not be allowed to nuclear technology."
    But at the time, these "savages" in the shortest time curbed one of the most dangerous technological
    disasters! And educated and technological Japanese, it seems, think that the waste itself flows into the ocean,
    and the volatile fractions will be dispersed by the wind.
  23. Irtysh
    Irtysh 20 August 2013 12: 53 New
    +4
    It’s good that the Balts don’t have the money to build nuclear power plants. If the Japanese behave like underdeveloped Indians, then what will the Lithuanians have? Pah-pah-pah ...

    It is true that they ruined the economy, even if they are better engaged in ecotourism. So it will be safer for everyone. And impose sanctions on the Japanese and surround them with a fence for cowardice and technical sloppiness.
    1. Petrix
      Petrix 20 August 2013 15: 23 New
      -5
      Quote: Irtysh
      It’s good that the Baltic states don’t have money to build nuclear power plants

      It’s in vain that there is money in Belarus. They will build a bomb, and the uranium fuel will end and the danger will remain. And where is the waste? In Naroch drown ?. The Fukushima example does not teach anything. They would invest this money in alternative energy.
      1. I think so
        I think so 20 August 2013 23: 47 New
        +4
        Typical reasoning of an incompetent balabol ...
        Honored at least sometimes the official press ...
        1. Uranium on the planet is still at least two hundred years old at the current RATE of growth in electricity consumption.
        2. There will be practically NO WASTE after the introduction of the technology for generating energy at FAST neutron reactors. So far, the ONLY rector is in Russia. (It has been working for 30 years, and the p.i.d.o.s.s.were not able to do this.)
        3. Academician Kapitsa back in the 80s of the last millennium proved that alternative energy is in principle not able to meet the needs of mankind because of its high cost and low efficiency. Roughly speaking, you won’t get much energy out of poop, but just ram it.

        Total. Balabol he and in Africa balabol. If only the brain would turn on a little and monitor the surrounding REALITY ...
  24. asadov
    asadov 20 August 2013 14: 45 New
    +2
    now one more reason is clear why they want to regain part of the Kuril ridge for use. People from Fokushima need to be relocated somewhere. This is of course a joke. But in general, it is very sad and more than once comes around.
  25. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 20 August 2013 15: 54 New
    +3
    I read somewhere that the liquidators of Yapu had no volunteers, those whom the debtors of Yakuza were sent to liquidation, so Yakuza had looted from the state, and the liquidators of the debtors fulfilled their debts
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 20 August 2013 17: 21 New
      +9
      Yes, it was.
  26. viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 20 August 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    Sorry author but a lot of radiophobia and zero facts. "First, the Japanese are no more sophisticated in high technology than other nations." In general, all six reactors are designed at General Electric. If we are to claim the Japanese so this is about actions in an emergency, then hydrogen did not accumulate for a minute.
  27. Sashko07
    Sashko07 20 August 2013 17: 15 New
    0
    I read an interesting phrase somewhere - there are about 2000 nuclear power plants (reactors) in the world, if at least 10% of them explode at the same time, then there will be a quick end to all life on earth. Atomic war is babble in comparison with this, because after it there are likely to be living people and clean, liveable territories. No wonder how much effort was put into eliminating the Chernobyl accident, otherwise at least all of equatorial Europe would be covered by radioactive fallout.
    1. Sarmat1972
      Sarmat1972 20 August 2013 17: 26 New
      +2
      I am not a specialist, but I read somewhere that a thermonuclear explosion produces much less emission of decay products than during accidents at nuclear power plants. The stronger the chain reaction to the mass of the substance, the less decay products. Maybe I'm wrong about something - correct it.
      1. Albert1988
        Albert1988 20 August 2013 19: 00 New
        +2
        I, too, am not a specialist, I will say it simply: during a thermonuclear explosion, there is basically no decay (it occurs only during the explosion of a small atomic bomb, fuse), and synthesis, much more is released during the synthesis of energy, and much less harmful products than during decay. As for nuclear explosions, such an explosion is an order of magnitude dirtier than a bomb explosion - because there is no burning of a very large number of nuclear fuel and it is scattered around, if the nuclear power plant explodes strongly, in Chernobyl, as far as I know, radioactive graphite dust from the rods basically scattered - it is certainly not sugar, but in animal organisms (in meat) in The pulp of fruits and other plant tissues does not accumulate, if you walk in a respirator and wash everything thoroughly, you can live in principle, but in focus ...
      2. Sashko07
        Sashko07 20 August 2013 19: 48 New
        0
        And all the more, I’m not a specialist, just my father, the liquidator of the Chernobyl accident, one very smart little man told him there in secret what would happen if that reactor weren’t filled in time. So I conclude: if from the explosion of one reactor the whole of Europe could be bent, then what will happen if several of these reactors collapse.
    2. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 20 August 2013 22: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: Sashko07
      equatorial Europe

      I heard about equatorial Africa, where is equatorial Europe?
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 21 August 2013 02: 37 New
        +4
        Quote: antiaircrafter
        equatorial Europe where is it?

        A map of equatorial Europe can be purchased in the same store where the globe of Moldova is sold ... laughing
  28. fennekRUS
    fennekRUS 20 August 2013 18: 09 New
    +5
    Chernobyl, Fukushima ... The time of the heroes has passed, there are marketing experts ..
  29. mole
    mole 20 August 2013 20: 55 New
    +3
    We need to translate such articles into Japanese more and panic on Japanese sites, let them know the delights of democracy.
  30. Silkway0026
    Silkway0026 20 August 2013 21: 30 New
    +2
    I congratulate the Japanese crap ..., damn it, give them the northern territories! they cannot cope with one accident. Everything in the garden !!! and dig, dig, dig, build sarcophagi, samurai rash!
  31. nelson
    nelson 20 August 2013 22: 49 New
    +2
    Well, the pollution went to the mattresses, and they are silent! So they are silent correctly, for which LGBT people are advertised and pushed around the world so that they give birth less and do not increase the number of mouths on the mother’s earth. Why is the predicted chaos in the territory of the eastern peoples famous for their high birth rate, as my favorite comedian Zhvanetsky said: "in order to somehow reduce the load on the soil." Following from this scenario and infecting the shores of the mattress works on the idea. Why yell about it? Let everything pass quietly and solidly!
  32. Sashko07
    Sashko07 20 August 2013 23: 05 New
    0
    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Quote: Sashko07
    equatorial Europe

    I heard about equatorial Africa, where is equatorial Europe?

    I apologize - blurted out without thinking, I think everyone understood what I mean
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 21 August 2013 07: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Sashko07
      I'm sorry

      C'mon ... I just buckled.
  33. Megatron
    Megatron 21 August 2013 01: 42 New
    +1
    I recalled, “and now our peaceful atom, the whole of Europe is obscene” .... why aren't they concealed by anyone?
    Double standards, their mother through three decks!
  34. vanderhaas
    vanderhaas 21 August 2013 04: 07 New
    +3
    No, here, in the states, they also cover it, they just do not scream to the whole world. Algae off the coast of California are already well contaminated with radioactive isotopes of cesium and strontium. There these goats have not one Chernobyl, but four (according to the number of leaky reactors), so you won’t be able to conduct local ones on the chaff: as the accident happened, they stopped buying all the Japanese grub. The thing is that from this Fukushima straight across Alaska to the south along the coast of California there is a rather powerful cold current.
    Nobody knows what to do with these leaky reactors: the fuel is all inside, in a semi-molten state. It is these sheep that have to water this whole farm with water, so that at least the outside temperature in the region of 100 degrees Celsius is. Here on TV, when the groundwater scandal erupted, they showed how glorious Japanese supertechnologists freeze all the soil under the station and around to -60 degrees Celsius to prevent the leakage of radioactive groundwater into the ocean. How much energy is required and which stations will generate this energy, modestly kept silent. Poisoners, on the whole, continue to freeze. In summary, it is necessary to demand from GDP that Hokkaido be taken away, or even Hokkaido will be dirtied,.
    1. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 21 August 2013 07: 48 New
      +3
      Quote: vanderhaas
      it is necessary to demand from GDP that Hokkaido be taken away, or even Hokkaido will be dirtied,.

      I support the offer.
      In addition, the Sea of ​​Okhotsk will become our railway.
  35. Cynic
    Cynic 21 August 2013 18: 51 New
    0
    Another explanation of interest in the Northern Territories.
    Dispersal field ?
  36. Hitrovan07
    Hitrovan07 21 August 2013 22: 50 New
    +1
    I remembered one bike (at the end of the 80s of the last century they told) - how the Japanese at their nuclear plants in ordinary buckets (by hand) carried radioactive waste. Now it’s clear - something could really be.
  37. Grifan
    Grifan 22 August 2013 00: 31 New
    0
    Most importantly, the Japanese Grandprix guide is hiding am
  38. HERMAJOR4IK
    HERMAJOR4IK 22 August 2013 11: 48 New
    +2
    Yes, everything without a liter is understandable to the world elite that has the power to make decisions no matter what nationality it is of the American Russian or God forgive the Japanese Gandura forgiven absolute poher on their own citizens and especially on citizens of other states_ they really live in their own special world know where to hang out is harmful to health and from which garden the fucking truffle was badly eaten by stsuki in the world conspiracy of hedonist sybarites and believe that for their age of clean beaches and a healthy pup there’s no more
    1. alexs3524
      alexs3524 24 August 2013 08: 33 New
      +1
      To the point, everything is g. But from them, who consider themselves smart
  39. alexs3524
    alexs3524 24 August 2013 08: 30 New
    0
    I heard that our people offered them help in eliminating the accident, since we have some experience, but the Japs refused
  40. rocketman
    rocketman 24 August 2013 08: 53 New
    +1
    In short, there’s no reason to write a game called “continuation of the stalker”. Here’s the ready monster - a huge shellfish with nunchucks!
  41. Lidia irkutsk
    Lidia irkutsk 24 August 2013 21: 39 New
    +1
    I support HERMAJOR4IK. The "supranational" elites have long ardently wanted to significantly reduce the population of the planet (and Fukushima is good for them), and in the event of global cataclysms, they really want to move to the (geologically most prosperous and most catastrophic) territory - Western Siberia. And in fact, they are seriously building mathematical models. Well, it’s very interesting http: //profsoyuzgrazhdanrossii.rf/? S = Fursov + PGR & x = 11 & y = 5
    1. Cynic
      Cynic 25 August 2013 17: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Lidia Irkutsk
      well, they really want to move to (geologically safe and most disastrous) territory - Western Siberia. And after all, serious models are being built.

      I wonder who builds them for them, Cheese it is only externally, both politically and geologically calm.
      By the way, the only city in Russia where physically blessed Gorby is in Siberia, since then he went there no-no.
      laughing
  42. RusneTRUS
    RusneTRUS 25 August 2013 01: 20 New
    0
    she still comes around
  43. arkadiy
    arkadiy 25 August 2013 10: 28 New
    -2
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  44. Masterzserg
    Masterzserg 25 August 2013 11: 50 New
    +2
    Well, the topic ... "Underground sand processing plant in Zimbabwe! Threats! Expert forecasts!" laughing
  45. playellvedo
    playellvedo 25 August 2013 20: 17 New
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  48. KononAV
    KononAV 26 August 2013 08: 10 New
    0
    I'm sorry for the fish. And politics is politics.
  49. Tamerlanf1
    Tamerlanf1 26 August 2013 14: 17 New
    0
    Fucking capitalists all over the planet
  50. Hellriker
    Hellriker 26 August 2013 15: 02 New
    0
    Do not forget about thousands of lantern cars and bikes. To the heap still with faulty electrics.